Re: [Elecraft] K3's and VP6DX

2008-01-02 Thread Lee (WW2DX)

Very cool story Joe!

Thanks for sharing,

73

Lee
WW2DX


On Jan 2, 2008, at 8:17 PM, "Joe-aa4nn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hey Lee, how's this for confidence in Elecraft...
In 2004 a bunch of us were going to Banaba, T33C,
and team members were building K2/100s for this rare
DXpedition. I don't mind telling you I was apprehensive
about newly built rigs lasting the duration due to things
like cold solder joints showing up later and especially
after being bumped and smacked around in the luggage.
Plus, at the zero hour we ordered a bunch of upgraded
chips which were to be installed while convening in Fiji
Islands. Lots of new things from Elecraft yet the K2s
performed perfectly and it was all just amazing.
de Joe, aa4nn

- Original Message - From: "Lee (WW2DX)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3's and VP6DX

1. I'm very curious to see how they hold up in 24x7 operation.
2. If they survive the many bumps and smacks on the way to vp6dx.
3. More exposure for Elecraft.
4. Gives me a better chance of working them.
That is why.
Thanks,
Lee
WW2DX


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Re: [Elecraft] K3's and VP6DX

2008-01-02 Thread Lee (WW2DX)



On Jan 2, 2008, at 7:41 PM, Al Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


If you can get me my radio, ordered with deposit on 9 May,:


I have just waved my wand. I will expect you to keep your promise when  
your rig ships in a week :)



1.  I will run it 24/7 for one week.


Boy are you going to be tired!



2.  I will bump and smack it around.


Naw I doubt that.



3.  Elecraft does not need any more exposure...latest orders will  
probably only be delivered in May orJune,


Agreed, need to ramp up KPA1500 runs.



4.  Any dxpedition proven rig such as the ICOM 756 Pro IIIs will  
give all of us a great chance of working the VP6.


Yeah, the mojo just won't be there.



All said tongue fully in cheek.


Ditto. Except if your rig does ship next week I expect a on air qso  
with it for my wand waiving efforts.



On the other hand, if the light weight of the K3 will save the team  
some hard earned bucks in xs baggage charges or allow them to carry  
more and better antennas, I fully support the VP6DX team using k3s.


73 and HNY de Al, W5IZ



Off to bed, 73 HNY
Lee
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Re: [Elecraft] K3's and VP6DX

2008-01-02 Thread Bill W5WVO
Incredible! Wow, what a great testament. Obviously, Murphy was completely 
flummoxed by the vaunted Elecraft mojo! Maybe we should now rename Murphy's 
Law to Murphy's Opinion, or Murphy's Manifesto, or somethng like that.


Bill W5WVO


Joe-aa4nn wrote:

Hey Lee, how's this for confidence in Elecraft...
In 2004 a bunch of us were going to Banaba, T33C,
and team members were building K2/100s for this rare
DXpedition. I don't mind telling you I was apprehensive
about newly built rigs lasting the duration due to things
like cold solder joints showing up later and especially
after being bumped and smacked around in the luggage.
Plus, at the zero hour we ordered a bunch of upgraded
chips which were to be installed while convening in Fiji
Islands. Lots of new things from Elecraft yet the K2s
performed perfectly and it was all just amazing.
de Joe, aa4nn

- Original Message -
From: "Lee (WW2DX)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3's and VP6DX

1. I'm very curious to see how they hold up in 24x7 operation.
2. If they survive the many bumps and smacks on the way to vp6dx.
3. More exposure for Elecraft.
4. Gives me a better chance of working them.
That is why.
Thanks,
Lee
WW2DX


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 question/problem

2008-01-02 Thread Robert Brigham
Elecrafters,
Another tool that I have used sometime to suppliment
the Spectrogram program is the waterfall display of
Digipan (or any of the similar PSK31 programs). For
example, the waterfall display shows the time
dependence of the WWV components making it easy to
identify the carrier (center band) and the modulated
components which appear symmetrically on either side.
It was also a big help setting up the RTTY filters for
PSK31.
Rob
KC6ROC
K2 #5924

--- David Wilburn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I have had a great deal up success using Spectrogram
> as Don describes.
> This page is very helpful for understanding what
> goes on, minute by
> minute, with the WWV signal.
> 
> http://tf.nist.gov/stations/iform.html 
> -  
> 
> David Wilburn
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> K4DGW
> K2 S/N 5982
> 
> 
> On Mon, 2007-12-31 at 18:32 -0500, Don Wilhelm
> wrote:
> > Cary,
> > 
> > 500 Hz high?  Now that sounds like you did the
> zero beat correctly, but 
> > at one of the WWV tones rather than the carrier. 
> I suggest you try 
> > again.  If you want to try an alternate to audible
> zero-beat, see below 
> > - there will be no confusion about whether you are
> zero beating a WWV 
> > tone or the carrier.
> > 
> > You might try an alternate to the Zero-Beating
> method by connecting the 
> > K3 to a computer running Spectrogram.  Tune the
> receiver in LSB or USB 
> > mode to 10.000.000 and listen to the WWV signal -
> put markers (pointers) 
> > in Spectrogram at 500 Hz and 600 Hz.  WWV
> transmits one of these tones 
> > on alternate minutes.
> > 
> > Then enter the CONFIG menu and find REF CAL.  Tune
> the VFO A knob until 
> > the tones from WWV line up with the markers in
> Spectrogram.
> > 
> > I consider the above method more accurate than
> using a frequency counter 
> > of unknown calibration.  Of course the audible
> zero-beat method works 
> > fine too, but there is always the possibility of
> confusion about whether 
> > one is zeroing the carrier or one of the
> transmitted tones.  The warning 
> > about being certain you are zeroing the carrier
> goes back to the days 
> > when we were calibrating our secondary frequency
> standards - one must 
> > wait for a silent minute to be certain we zero the
> carrier.
> > 
> > Happy New Year.
> > 
> > 73,
> > Don W3FPR
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > H. Cary III wrote:
> > > ... I have done the frequency synthesizer
> alignment using the zero beat with WWV but when I
> tune WWV at 10 MHz, I have to get the dial to about
> 9.999.92 or so to be right on it.
> > >
> > > I have a sked on Sundays with two friends, W5ZNN
> and WA6EBB, and was hoping to have my K3 operational
> so they'd be my first contacts.  Well, in a sense
> they were but apparently my signal is about 500
> hertz higher than my receive frequency AND the audio
> sounds narrow and broken.  I think the problem may
> be with the frequency synthesizer alignment...I used
> the zero beat method until I can get my hands on a
> frequency counter from some of my more
> electronically astute ham friends...am I looking in
> the right direction or should I be looking somewhere
> else?
> > >
> > > Best New Year Wishes to y'all.
> > >
> > > 73,
> > > Cary, K4TM
> > > Lynchburg, VA
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[Elecraft]K2 Scan not staying on freq long enough

2008-01-02 Thread Arthur Gunn
Scanning still provides disappointing results.

Instead of staying on a signal for about 25 seconds, my K2 stays on a
signal for a random 3 to 18 seconds (usually less than 5 seconds). These
CW stations heard by scanning are often very strong and over 15 wpm with
no breaks in transmission expected. The random nature of the pause time
with good signals is also a surprise.

I setup the scanning with DSP on and off with no difference in results.
The scan rate was also varied with no differences observed. Squelch
level was also varied with no differences observed.

Does the procedure you have followed give the 25 second result described
in the manual (F or G version)? Any ideas of why the K2 #6155 with 2.04P
firmware might act this way? Wayne wrote a reference email long ago on
the topic that would be nice to replicate.

Any good or similar experiences?

Any ideas of something else to adjust?

73
-- 
Arthur Gunn VE9BP

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[Elecraft] Re: Value of Used Equipment

2008-01-02 Thread Tom Little
Thank you to everyone that responded to my question about the value of used 
equipment, I appreciate you trying to help.  I was looking for a bit of an 
archive like the "Ebay Prices Realized" site.  Too bad it was last updated in 
2002.

Thanks again,

Tom
N0DSP
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[Elecraft] KSB2 mic hook up

2008-01-02 Thread Robert 'RC' Conley
I'm installing the KSB2 in K2-#6321. I'm using A Kenwood MC-43S Mic
from my TS 850S.
It looks like all the pins are wired straight across EXCEPT PINS 5 &6
6 WHICH ARE NOT
JUMPED if I'm reading it right
RC kc5wa
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Re: [Elecraft] K3's and VP6DX

2008-01-02 Thread Joe-aa4nn

Hey Lee, how's this for confidence in Elecraft...
In 2004 a bunch of us were going to Banaba, T33C,
and team members were building K2/100s for this rare
DXpedition. I don't mind telling you I was apprehensive
about newly built rigs lasting the duration due to things
like cold solder joints showing up later and especially
after being bumped and smacked around in the luggage.
Plus, at the zero hour we ordered a bunch of upgraded
chips which were to be installed while convening in Fiji
Islands. Lots of new things from Elecraft yet the K2s
performed perfectly and it was all just amazing.
de Joe, aa4nn

- Original Message - 
From: "Lee (WW2DX)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3's and VP6DX

1. I'm very curious to see how they hold up in 24x7 operation.
2. If they survive the many bumps and smacks on the way to vp6dx.
3. More exposure for Elecraft.
4. Gives me a better chance of working them.
That is why.
Thanks,
Lee
WW2DX


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[Elecraft] Re: K3 NB indicator flasjing

2008-01-02 Thread Robert Mccormack
Light is merely darkness visible.
73 Ken ZL1AIH


--

Message: 11
Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 12:15:06 +
From: "David Ferrington, M0XDF" 
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] NB indicator flashing
To: elecraft 
Message-ID: 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"

I might have missed this in the manual, but when I change the NB IF width
value, I can get to a point where the NB flashes - what does this indicate?
-- 
Ok, so what's the speed of Dark?


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Re: [Elecraft] K3's and VP6DX

2008-01-02 Thread Al Baker
If you can get me my radio, ordered with deposit on 9 May,:

1.  I will run it 24/7 for one week.

2.  I will bump and smack it around.

3.  Elecraft does not need any more exposure...latest orders will probably only 
be delivered in May orJune,

4.  Any dxpedition proven rig such as the ICOM 756 Pro IIIs will give all of us 
a great chance of working the VP6.  

All said tongue fully in cheek.

On the other hand, if the light weight of the K3 will save the team some hard 
earned bucks in xs baggage charges or allow them to carry more and better 
antennas, I fully support the VP6DX team using k3s.

73 and HNY de Al, W5IZ


  

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Re: [Elecraft] K3's and VP6DX

2008-01-02 Thread Lee (WW2DX)

1. I'm very curious to see how they hold up in 24x7 operation.

2. If they survive the many bumps and smacks on the way to vp6dx.

3. More exposure for Elecraft.

4. Gives me a better chance of working them.

That is why.

Thanks,

Lee
WW2DX

On Jan 2, 2008, at 3:47 PM, Al Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Why should we get excited about VP6DX using K3s when there are many  
commercial orders backed up...including mine? 


73 de Al, W5IZ


  





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[K3] Re: [Elecraft] Mic & CMP values - what are they?

2008-01-02 Thread David Ferrington, M0XDF
Thanks Lyle, yes obviously I did mean to put K3 :-)


On 2/1/08 22:50, "Lyle Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sent:

>> For the values displayed when I twidle the Mi8c and CMp pots - what do the
>> numbers represent - % of compression? DB of mic gain?
> 
> Assuming you are referring to a K3, these are dimensionless values.
> More is more ;-)
> 
> MIC GAIN is set by looking at the ALC meter. The bars there are also
> dimensionless.
> 
> CMP is then set using the CMP display.  There, each bar represents
> approximately 2 to 3 dB of IF envelope clipping.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Lyle KK7P

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Re: [Elecraft] Mic & CMP values - what are they?

2008-01-02 Thread Lyle Johnson

For the values displayed when I twidle the Mi8c and CMp pots - what do the
numbers represent - % of compression? DB of mic gain?


Assuming you are referring to a K3, these are dimensionless values. 
More is more ;-)


MIC GAIN is set by looking at the ALC meter. The bars there are also 
dimensionless.


CMP is then set using the CMP display.  There, each bar represents 
approximately 2 to 3 dB of IF envelope clipping.


73,

Lyle KK7P


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[Elecraft] Mic & CMP values - what are they?

2008-01-02 Thread David Ferrington, M0XDF
For the values displayed when I twidle the Mi8c and CMp pots - what do the
numbers represent - % of compression? DB of mic gain?
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Re: [Elecraft] hp 8640 signal generator

2008-01-02 Thread Jim Wiley

Robert -


Try using a low-frequency AC signal, as from a function generator, and 
DC couple it to the 8640B FM modulator input.  Depending on how much 
sweep you need, I think this will work. I am pretty sure the 8640B FM 
section will respond to DC.


If you have a function generator, and it generates sawtooth waves, you 
can use the same signal to drive your scope. 



Alternately, if you don't have a function generator, but do have a 
fairly modern scope, then perhaps it has a "sweep out" signal (often on 
the rear panel) that you could use to drive the 8640B FM section.  The 
results would probably be the same.  Using DC coupling insures that low 
frequency signals make it all the way through the amplifier chain in the 
various instruments.



Other than not having retrace blanking, the results should look pretty 
much like any sweep generator / detector combo.



- Jim, KL7CC



Robert Tellefsen wrote:

I have a nice 8640, which is an excellent signal generator.
However, I'm interested in sweeping filters with it.
Does anyone know if there is a way to get it to sweep,
or are we stuck with manual tuning?
Thanks and 73
Bob N6WG
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Re: [Elecraft] hp 8640 signal generator

2008-01-02 Thread Jack Smith
For narrow band sweeping (depends on the frequency range, couple hundred 
KHz at max) you can use the 8620B's FM mode.


Put the sweep generator into the FM external input, and also onto the X 
axis of your 'scope. Keep the modulating frequency low. Does not have to 
be a linear ramp either, sine wave will work but you will have a bit of 
a puzzle interpreting the oscilloscope x-axis in this case. If you keep 
the sweep speed very slow, there are no significant FM sidebands, so you 
have, in essence, a sweep. The 8620B is DC coupled on FM, so there's no 
low limit to sweep speed.


Jack


Robert Tellefsen wrote:

I have a nice 8640, which is an excellent signal generator.
However, I'm interested in sweeping filters with it.
Does anyone know if there is a way to get it to sweep,
or are we stuck with manual tuning?
Thanks and 73
Bob N6WG
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RE: [Elecraft] K3 question/problem

2008-01-02 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
Rick wrote:
>>Of course the audible zero-beat method works 
>> fine too, but there is always the possibility of confusion about whether 
>> one is zeroing the carrier or one of the transmitted tones.

I haven't had a problem with the WWV tones. I first zero on WWV, then wait
for the announcement that takes place at the end of every minute. While the
announcers are giving the id and time, I check to be sure I am zero with the
carrier (move REF OSC off frequency and make sure the beat reappears).
There's plenty of time to do that during the announcement period. Even I
need a bit longer, there's another announcement period 45 seconds later to
check again. 

Of course, virtually ANY AM broadcast station will be on frequency too.
After setting up on a BC band AM station, you can double check your zero
beat on WWV if you like. Remember, you have to be a full 400 or 600 Hz off
frequency before you're in danger of zero beating with the WWV tones by
accident and, typically, you'll be within 1 or 2 Hz after zero beating to
any AM station. 

Ron AC7AC


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[Elecraft] hp 8640 signal generator

2008-01-02 Thread Robert Tellefsen
I have a nice 8640, which is an excellent signal generator.
However, I'm interested in sweeping filters with it.
Does anyone know if there is a way to get it to sweep,
or are we stuck with manual tuning?
Thanks and 73
Bob N6WG
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Re: [Elecraft] K3's and VP6DX

2008-01-02 Thread Thom LaCosta

On Wed, 2 Jan 2008, Al Baker wrote:


Why should we get excited about VP6DX using K3s when there are many commercial orders 
backed up...including mine? 


Well, it kind of dispells the rumor that the elves that really build the K3's 
had to take a break and help the old man in the red suit.


I suppose those of us that are still waiting should take heart that units ahead 
of ours are really being delivered...and the VP6DX stories are more interesting 
than keeping score of how many times we've been told two weeks more, and then 
it's two weeks more.


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[Elecraft] K3's and VP6DX

2008-01-02 Thread Al Baker
Why should we get excited about VP6DX using K3s when there are many commercial 
orders backed up...including mine? 

73 de Al, W5IZ


  

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Re: [Elecraft] Test Long-Lines

2008-01-02 Thread WILLIS COOKE
I am using AT&T Yahoo Mail Classic.  I have two
computers, one with XP Professional and two brousers,
Fire Fox and Internet Explorer.  The other computer
runs Vista and Internet Explorer.  The message looks
fine with or without the forced line feeds.

--- Joe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> This is from Myway Internet mail system.
> 
> Without forced line feeds.
> test test test test test test test test test test
> test test test test test test test test test test
> test test test test test test test test test.
> 
> 
> With forced line feeds.
> test test test test test test test test test test
> test test test
> test test test test test test test test test test
> test test test
> test test test.
> 
> 
> Joe   N9VX
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY

2008-01-02 Thread Raj Dewan, N2RD
It is very easy to get it to work with K3, given all the built in  
isolation transformers in the rig.  Physically, all  you need are  
audio patch cords between the computer and the K3.  No  need for FSK  
or PTT (no serial port needed)


Simply put, just:

* connect the speaker/headphone output on the computer to line in on  
K3 back panel

* mic in on the computer to line out on the K3 back panel
* turn vox on the K3
* set meter to ALC on K3
* set DATA MD to AFSK A on the K3
* turn on VOX, may need a gain setting on it too
* in the menu, go to MIC SEL and pick LINE IN
* do a test transmit in the TEST mode and set the mic/line out gain on  
the K3 and volume on the K3 so as to not overshoot the ALC, 4 to 7 bars


For extra selectivity, use a narrow filter (250Hz is fine if you have  
it) and activate dual pb


It should just work and it does.

Plus, as an added bonus turn on TEXT DEC and you can copy on the K3  
screen.


For many years I used a Yaesu 1KMP with FSK and hardwire PTT using a  
serial port and back panel connections.  I like the utter simplicity  
of the K3 setup.  May be I will use it more now.  BTW for BPSK or any  
other digital mode just change the DATA MD to DATA A.


Enjoy.

Raj, N2RD


On Jan 2, 2008, at 2:47 PM, Steve Zumbrun wrote:

I'm new to the digital age and with the new K3 I would like to  
participate in the upcoming RTTY contest.  I know that I can use the  
K3 with the keyer, which by the way does work, but I was thinking  
maybe I would like to try my computer.  I have a Gateway laptop and  
was wondering what the group would recommend to use the laptop with  
the K3 for the RTTY contest.  Many thanks in advance and 73 and  
Happy New Year.  Steve W0SZ.

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[Elecraft] FS: K2 SN 4088 with options

2008-01-02 Thread Steve Zumbrun
I am selling my late SN 4088 K2 with options.  I have built several K2's and 
all the other Elecraft kits.  I was a field tester for the original K2,  SN 
0088.  The following options are include with the K2:  KPA/100;  KSB2 ssb 
option;  K160RX 160 meter option;  K60V 60 M and Transceiver interface; 
KNB2 noise blanker;  KDSP2 DSP filter/clock;  and Finger Dimple.  The radio 
is setup for the MH2 microphone (not included) and comes with the power 
cord.  This radio is a real performer and is cosmetically perfect and comes 
with cover by Stan LaPointe.  I am asking $1100.00 plus shipping.  Thanks 
and 73, Steve W0SZ. 


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[Elecraft] RTTY

2008-01-02 Thread Dave G4AON

Steve

I've run MMTTY with direct keying of my K3 using a single transistor 
interface as per the MMTTY help file, it works well with the K3 running 
"FSK D" mode.


More recently I've been using Ham Radio Deluxe with Digital Master 780 
and had my first PSK31 QSO a few days ago and my first MFSK-16 QSO this 
evening... I'm using nothing more complicated than a couple of 3.5mm 
jack plug to jack plug leads between my PC sound card and my K3, with 
mode "Data A" selected on the K3. Keying is by VOX. For those yet to try 
data, I cannot recommend HRD/DM780 highly enough, it "works out of the 
box", while there are far more PSK31 stations than other data modes, the 
MFSK-16 QSO was completely error free and quite a pleasant surprise 
compared to PSK31 which is "OK" but certainly nowhere near as few errors 
as the more advanced modes. DM780 has a good logging feature which can 
export via ADIF and Cabrillo.


I note the fans cool the K3 PA pretty quickly, in a typical high power 
transmission of perhaps a  minute or two, it heats to 50 degrees C from 
an ambient of 22 or so. Within less than a minute the temperature has 
cooled to around 30 C and the fans stop. It's very useful being able to 
see the PA temperature displayed on the K3.


73 Dave, G4AON
K3/100 #80
=

I'm new to the digital age and with the new K3 I would like to participate
in the upcoming RTTY contest. I know that I can use the K3 with the keyer,
which by the way does work, but I was thinking maybe I would like to try my
computer. I have a Gateway laptop and was wondering what the group would
recommend to use the laptop with the K3 for the RTTY contest. Many thanks
in advance and 73 and Happy New Year. Steve W0SZ.
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[Elecraft] Test Long-Lines

2008-01-02 Thread Joe N9VX

Ron, what I proved: if you send plain text from my email
provider without forcing a line feed you get long lines when you
read the messages on the board using Internet Exployer. I do not
receive emails. I read what I want and skip the rest.


73,

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 question/problem

2008-01-02 Thread Rick Kunath

David Wilburn wrote:

I have had a great deal up success using Spectrogram as Don describes.
This page is very helpful for understanding what goes on, minute by
minute, with the WWV signal.

http://tf.nist.gov/stations/iform.html 
-  






I consider the above method more accurate than using a frequency counter 
of unknown calibration.  Of course the audible zero-beat method works 
fine too, but there is always the possibility of confusion about whether 
one is zeroing the carrier or one of the transmitted tones.  The warning 
about being certain you are zeroing the carrier goes back to the days 
when we were calibrating our secondary frequency standards - one must 
wait for a silent minute to be certain we zero the carrier.


This is assuming that the sampling rate (or re-sampling error rate) 
error in the sound card has been properly measured and a correction 
factor entered into the audio spectrum analyzer application.


Rick Kunath, k9ao
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RE: [Elecraft] Test Long-Lines

2008-01-02 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
It looks fine here on MS Outlook, either way Joe. 

The issue raised by the originator of this thread was NOT about how the text
displays in e-mail programs, although some do apparently lack the ability to
properly wrap ASCII text to fit screens. 

The issue raised was that reading messages in a WEB Browser from QTH.NET
sometimes results in long lines that run off the left edge of the screen. It
seems clear that QTH.NET's software that converts ASCII to HTML for display
in a WEB browser doesn't handle it well. 

Ron AC7AC

-Original Message-

I have proven that using Myway, my email provider, I must force a line feed
(press Enter) at the end of each line. Others may have to do the same to
avoid long lines.

73,

Joe N9VX

-
This is from Myway Internet mail system.

Without forced line feeds.
test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test
test test test test test test test test test test test test test test.


With forced line feeds.
test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test
test test test test test test test test test test test test test test.


Joe   N9VX

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[Elecraft] RTTY

2008-01-02 Thread Steve Zumbrun
I'm new to the digital age and with the new K3 I would like to participate 
in the upcoming RTTY contest.  I know that I can use the K3 with the keyer, 
which by the way does work, but I was thinking maybe I would like to try my 
computer.  I have a Gateway laptop and was wondering what the group would 
recommend to use the laptop with the K3 for the RTTY contest.  Many thanks 
in advance and 73 and Happy New Year.  Steve W0SZ. 


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Re: [Elecraft] Test Long-Lines

2008-01-02 Thread Brendan Minish
Forcing line feeds beaks display on non standard (I.e small screen)
devices in all sorts of ways.
 
if folk are having issues with displaying long lines it's the fault of
the software they are using to view the message, period.


plain text mail should not have breaks / line feeds in it except at
paragraphs. It's up to the receiving end to sort it out. If it's not
plain text (or it's plain text incorrectly declared as formatted) then
all bets are off but any decent email client should be making a
reasonable fist of displaying it properly. 

Now back to radio please. 

73
Brendan EI6IZ 


On Wed, 2008-01-02 at 14:22 -0500, Joe wrote:
> I have proven that using Myway, my email provider, I must force a line
> feed (press Enter) at the end of each line. Others may have to do the
> same to avoid long lines.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Joe N9VX
> 
> -
> This is from Myway Internet mail system.
> 
> Without forced line feeds.
> test test test test test test test test test test test test test test
> test test test test test test test test test test test test test test
> test.
> 
> 
> With forced line feeds.
> test test test test test test test test test test test test test
> test test test test test test test test test test test test test
> test test test.
> 
> 
> Joe   N9VX
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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[Elecraft] Test Long-Lines

2008-01-02 Thread Joe

This is what it looks like when I press the Return key at the end
of each line.

I have proven that using Myway, my email provider, I must force a
line feed (press Enter) at the end of each line. Others may have to
do the same to avoid long lines.

73,

Joe N9VX






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Re: [Elecraft] K3 question/problem

2008-01-02 Thread David Wilburn
I have had a great deal up success using Spectrogram as Don describes.
This page is very helpful for understanding what goes on, minute by
minute, with the WWV signal.

http://tf.nist.gov/stations/iform.html 
-  

David Wilburn
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K4DGW
K2 S/N 5982


On Mon, 2007-12-31 at 18:32 -0500, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> Cary,
> 
> 500 Hz high?  Now that sounds like you did the zero beat correctly, but 
> at one of the WWV tones rather than the carrier.  I suggest you try 
> again.  If you want to try an alternate to audible zero-beat, see below 
> - there will be no confusion about whether you are zero beating a WWV 
> tone or the carrier.
> 
> You might try an alternate to the Zero-Beating method by connecting the 
> K3 to a computer running Spectrogram.  Tune the receiver in LSB or USB 
> mode to 10.000.000 and listen to the WWV signal - put markers (pointers) 
> in Spectrogram at 500 Hz and 600 Hz.  WWV transmits one of these tones 
> on alternate minutes.
> 
> Then enter the CONFIG menu and find REF CAL.  Tune the VFO A knob until 
> the tones from WWV line up with the markers in Spectrogram.
> 
> I consider the above method more accurate than using a frequency counter 
> of unknown calibration.  Of course the audible zero-beat method works 
> fine too, but there is always the possibility of confusion about whether 
> one is zeroing the carrier or one of the transmitted tones.  The warning 
> about being certain you are zeroing the carrier goes back to the days 
> when we were calibrating our secondary frequency standards - one must 
> wait for a silent minute to be certain we zero the carrier.
> 
> Happy New Year.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
> 
> 
> H. Cary III wrote:
> > ... I have done the frequency synthesizer alignment using the zero beat 
> > with WWV but when I tune WWV at 10 MHz, I have to get the dial to about 
> > 9.999.92 or so to be right on it.
> >
> > I have a sked on Sundays with two friends, W5ZNN and WA6EBB, and was hoping 
> > to have my K3 operational so they'd be my first contacts.  Well, in a sense 
> > they were but apparently my signal is about 500 hertz higher than my 
> > receive frequency AND the audio sounds narrow and broken.  I think the 
> > problem may be with the frequency synthesizer alignment...I used the zero 
> > beat method until I can get my hands on a frequency counter from some of my 
> > more electronically astute ham friends...am I looking in the right 
> > direction or should I be looking somewhere else?
> >
> > Best New Year Wishes to y'all.
> >
> > 73,
> > Cary, K4TM
> > Lynchburg, VA
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[Elecraft] Test Long-Lines

2008-01-02 Thread Joe

I have proven that using Myway, my email provider, I must force a line feed 
(press Enter) at the end of each line. Others may have to do the same to avoid 
long lines.

73,

Joe N9VX

-
This is from Myway Internet mail system.

Without forced line feeds.
test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test 
test test test test test test test test test test test test test.


With forced line feeds.
test test test test test test test test test test test test test
test test test test test test test test test test test test test
test test test.


Joe   N9VX







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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] NB indicator flashing

2008-01-02 Thread David Wilburn
http://home.netcom.com/~rogermw/darksucker.html 
-  

David Wilburn
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On Wed, 2008-01-02 at 11:02 -0600, Tom Childers, N5GE wrote:
> On Wed, 02 Jan 2008 17:38:13 +0100, you wrote:
> 
> >So if I look at dark backwards, I see light?
> 
> Only if you're running fast enough...
> 
> 
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[Elecraft] Test Long-Lines

2008-01-02 Thread Joe

This is from Myway Internet mail system.

Without forced line feeds.
test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test 
test test test test test test test test test test test test test.


With forced line feeds.
test test test test test test test test test test test test test
test test test test test test test test test test test test test
test test test.


Joe   N9VX



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Re: [Elecraft] Long-line Emails

2008-01-02 Thread Phil Kane
On Wed, 02 Jan 2008 18:12:20 +0100, Martin wrote:

>There is a lot Windows does not care about.
>I might be wrong..

  You are not wrong.  Happy New Year.

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[Elecraft] Long-line Emails

2008-01-02 Thread Martin

Elecrafters,
dont blame others for emails with long lines.
It all depends on the standard used for terminating a line.
Some email-programs insert a carriage return/linefeed in outgoing mails 
(and also expect that in received mails) others just wrap the lines.
The only culprit is the guy who decided what standard to use when he 
coded the software. As far as i know, just wrapping lines is not even a 
standard. There is a lot Windows does not care about.

I might be wrong..

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[Elecraft] FS: K2 S/N 3900 with options

2008-01-02 Thread Dick Housden, W0NTA

Happy New Year.



I have for sale my favorite K2, serial number 3900. This radio has served me 
extremely well during many ragchews, Fox Hunts, and contests over the past 
almost four years. I have built four K2s, and now it is time to try the K3. 
Meanwhile, I will use my other K2/100. This K2, 3900, is in excellent shape 
cosmetically with no marks on the cabinet. It is 100% electronically. It 
includes:




K2Basic K2 (#3900)

KSB2Internal sideband generator board (late board with newer 
crystals)


KNB2Internal noise blanker board

KAF2Internal audio filter board

K160RX Internal 160 meter board

KAT2Internal auto antenna tuner



Currently setup for 600 Hz sidetone and offset. CW filters set at 1000, 700, 
400, and 250 Hz. using Spectrogram. Microphone jumpers are set for the 
Elecraft MH2 microphone. (Not included)




This is a Revision B main board radio, which includes many upgrades over the 
pre-3000 serial number units. Firmware is:




K2 MCU 2.03D   K2 IOC 1.07   KSB2 1.08b



Includes manuals for all modules. Includes power cable with PowerPole on 
power supply end.




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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] NB indicator flashing

2008-01-02 Thread Tom Childers, N5GE
On Wed, 02 Jan 2008 17:38:13 +0100, you wrote:

>So if I look at dark backwards, I see light?

Only if you're running fast enough...


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RE: [Elecraft] K3 - modes and band/freq

2008-01-02 Thread Dick Dievendorff
I don't believe there's any automatic mode change based on frequency / band
plan.  However you can verify this yourself by using the K3 Utility's
"Command Tester" tab page to execute various commands to see what happens.

FA gets/sets the VFO
MD gets/sets the Mode.

You can also set up a command "macro" to issue several commands in a row
with one button press.

The K3 Programmer's reference is available here:

http://www.elecraft.com/manual/K3%20Pgmrs%20Ref,%20rev%20A4.pdf

73 de Dick, K6KR


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Ferrington,
M0XDF
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 7:39 AM
To: elecraft
Cc: Don Agro
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - modes and band/freq

I appear to be having some problems with MacLoggerDX and the K3 (the author,
Don and I are in communication on this).
It looks like when sending a mode change, followed by a freq change, that
the mode does change at the current freq, then the freq changes and the mode
is commonly LSB. This is when double-clicking a DX Cluster entry.
If I send a mode change from the interface, that changes ok. If I resend the
mode/freq change by double-clicking again, it sets it correctly the second
time.

If I manually change the mode for the freq, using the K3 [MODE] button, the
K3 appear to remember the mode.

One question Don has is 'Can you check the K3 manual to see if has some kind
of "Auto Mode" selection based on frequency ?'

Well, I couldn't see anything that said so, so thought I'd ask here.

I also thought Simon and Julian  - both if whom have written PC software,
may be able to shed some light on this?

I would like to make it clear that MLDX works with many radios without
problems, including K2, and works with my FT-857. It's a great program.

No finger pointing, just trying to get to grips with the combo of great rig
and great s/w.

-- 
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-Swedish proverb 


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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] NB indicator flashing

2008-01-02 Thread Toby Deinhardt

So if I look at dark backwards, I see light?

Robert Brigham wrote:

...though don't forget the negative sign -- it's
flowing in the reverse direction. ;-)
Rob
KC6ROC

--- Jon Robert Pellant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Easy one: 299,792,458 m/s. Since dark is merely the
vacation of light and 
light vacates thus.


;)
w1jp

- Original Message - 
From: "David Ferrington, M0XDF"



snip> > -- 




Ok, so what's the speed of Dark?



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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] NB indicator flashing

2008-01-02 Thread Robert Brigham
...though don't forget the negative sign -- it's
flowing in the reverse direction. ;-)
Rob
KC6ROC

--- Jon Robert Pellant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Easy one: 299,792,458 m/s. Since dark is merely the
> vacation of light and 
> light vacates thus.
> 
> ;)
> w1jp
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "David Ferrington, M0XDF"


snip> > -- 


> > Ok, so what's the speed of Dark?
> >
> >
>


  

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - modes and band/freq

2008-01-02 Thread Brendan Minish
here is a possible explanation as to why some programs that do
interfacing the kenwood way have issues with elecraft radios, I hope it
helps understand the issue. 

Kenwood protocol predates the per-band memories that modern radios have,
I.e the radio saves the mode and frequency you were last on, on each
band.
If you send a mode, does the radio then have to wait X milliseconds
before acting on it to see if there is a frequency change coming next
that also will change the band ? 
How long should the radio wait?  
How long should X be? Kenwood have never defined it any place..  
Problem with this is that doing it this way slows down considerably the
speed at which the radio can respond to commands, not a good thing if
the application is doing more than simple logging or QSying.


Or does the radio always apply the Mode change immediately? 

Then when the frequency change comes a long a bit later we arrive on the
new frequency, in the mode used last time on that band. ?


Problem with this is that this breaks the original kenwood way of doing
things. On the up-side you can send commands to the radio much faster
and there is no ambiguity at all about what is going to happen.
 All commands are acted upon as quickly as possible and in the exact
order in which they are sent to the radio. 

On the downside it breaks things where software is doing it the original
kenwood way   


the K3 and the k2 both do things in the strict order that the commands
arrive. it is my view that this is more correct.

73
Brendan EI6IZ 


On Wed, 2008-01-02 at 15:38 +, David Ferrington, M0XDF wrote:
> I appear to be having some problems with MacLoggerDX and the K3 (the author,
> Don and I are in communication on this).
> It looks like when sending a mode change, followed by a freq change, that
> the mode does change at the current freq, then the freq changes and the mode
> is commonly LSB. This is when double-clicking a DX Cluster entry.
> If I send a mode change from the interface, that changes ok. If I resend the
> mode/freq change by double-clicking again, it sets it correctly the second
> time.
> 
> If I manually change the mode for the freq, using the K3 [MODE] button, the
> K3 appear to remember the mode.
> 
> One question Don has is 'Can you check the K3 manual to see if has some kind
> of "Auto Mode" selection based on frequency ?'
> 
> Well, I couldn't see anything that said so, so thought I'd ask here.
> 
> I also thought Simon and Julian  - both if whom have written PC software,
> may be able to shed some light on this?
> 
> I would like to make it clear that MLDX works with many radios without
> problems, including K2, and works with my FT-857. It's a great program.
> 
> No finger pointing, just trying to get to grips with the combo of great rig
> and great s/w.
> 
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[Elecraft] K3 - modes and band/freq

2008-01-02 Thread David Ferrington, M0XDF
I appear to be having some problems with MacLoggerDX and the K3 (the author,
Don and I are in communication on this).
It looks like when sending a mode change, followed by a freq change, that
the mode does change at the current freq, then the freq changes and the mode
is commonly LSB. This is when double-clicking a DX Cluster entry.
If I send a mode change from the interface, that changes ok. If I resend the
mode/freq change by double-clicking again, it sets it correctly the second
time.

If I manually change the mode for the freq, using the K3 [MODE] button, the
K3 appear to remember the mode.

One question Don has is 'Can you check the K3 manual to see if has some kind
of "Auto Mode" selection based on frequency ?'

Well, I couldn't see anything that said so, so thought I'd ask here.

I also thought Simon and Julian  - both if whom have written PC software,
may be able to shed some light on this?

I would like to make it clear that MLDX works with many radios without
problems, including K2, and works with my FT-857. It's a great program.

No finger pointing, just trying to get to grips with the combo of great rig
and great s/w.

-- 
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-Swedish proverb 


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Re: [Elecraft] K3's and VP6DX

2008-01-02 Thread Lee (WW2DX)

Thanks Bill,

Glad to see things are looking good.

BTW, thanks for the Q in the Big Stew!

73 de Lee
WW2DX

On Jan 2, 2008, at 9:27 AM, Bill W4ZV wrote:





Lee (WW2DX) wrote:


We are coming down the home stretch in a few weeks, any word if the
group has or will have the K3's for the trip?



"Elecraft is still very busy to build our K3s, but as we received  
one K3
some weeks ago for evaluation and integration testing, we are very  
confident

that we did choose the right radio."

http://ducie2008.dl1mgb.com/news/index.php

73,  Bill  W4ZV



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Re: [Elecraft] K3's and VP6DX

2008-01-02 Thread Bill W4ZV



Lee (WW2DX) wrote:
> 
> We are coming down the home stretch in a few weeks, any word if the  
> group has or will have the K3's for the trip?
> 

"Elecraft is still very busy to build our K3s, but as we received one K3
some weeks ago for evaluation and integration testing, we are very confident
that we did choose the right radio."

http://ducie2008.dl1mgb.com/news/index.php

73,  Bill  W4ZV



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Re: [Elecraft] Value of used equipment

2008-01-02 Thread Samuel Strongin

It is simple whatever you can sell it for just like any other market.
  73 Sam kf4yox
- Original Message - 
From: "Darwin, Keith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 8:45 AM
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Value of used equipment


The value of used gear can be determined through several means.  If the
gear is still being produced you can use the current new price and
figure yours is worth a percentage of new cost.  I figure 80% for
top-notch, in demand gear down to maybe 50% for stuff that is a bit
rough (i.e. a mobile rig).

If it is out of productions stuff, then my first stop is eBay where I
check what the item has sold for in the last 30 days (requires login).
One warning though, eBay is it's own market.  Values and prices on eBay
may only be correct for eBay.  Other places the same gear may be worth a
bit more or less.

The other thing to do is to hit the ham classifieds and see what folks
are asking for their gear.  That can be hit or miss since the stuff you
want to sell may not have been listed or may not have actually sold.

One benefit of eBay is the auction style lets the gear rise to its value
without you having to know what it is.  The buyers determine what it is
worth.

- Keith N1AS -
- K2 5411.ssb.100 -
- K3 Wave 3 -
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RE: [Elecraft] Value of used equipment

2008-01-02 Thread Darwin, Keith
The value of used gear can be determined through several means.  If the
gear is still being produced you can use the current new price and
figure yours is worth a percentage of new cost.  I figure 80% for
top-notch, in demand gear down to maybe 50% for stuff that is a bit
rough (i.e. a mobile rig).

If it is out of productions stuff, then my first stop is eBay where I
check what the item has sold for in the last 30 days (requires login).
One warning though, eBay is it's own market.  Values and prices on eBay
may only be correct for eBay.  Other places the same gear may be worth a
bit more or less.

The other thing to do is to hit the ham classifieds and see what folks
are asking for their gear.  That can be hit or miss since the stuff you
want to sell may not have been listed or may not have actually sold.

One benefit of eBay is the auction style lets the gear rise to its value
without you having to know what it is.  The buyers determine what it is
worth.

- Keith N1AS -
- K2 5411.ssb.100 -
- K3 Wave 3 -
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Re: [Elecraft] Now, that was stupid.... Advice?

2008-01-02 Thread Don Wilhelm

Bill,

The 1N5711 diodes in the KAT100 and the KPA100 wattmeter could have been 
damaged from the excessive RF voltage applied,  and it would be wise to 
check them.  OTOH, if your power output control and SWR indications are 
normal, those diodes are working.
If the K2 receiver works (check with the preamp on/off), then the preamp 
and mixer are likely OK.  I would expect the other components to 
survive.  The T/R switch diodes in the base K2 can provide a lot of 
protection because the rectified voltage would be in opposition to the 
normal receive bias levels.


73,
Don W3FPR

OE5CSP-Chris wrote:



Well, when setting up for SKN I did a dumb thing with my K2/100. My  
rig for SKN is a 40m two-tube transmitter that puts out about 50  
watts. Somehow, I ended up connecting it to the cable that leads to  
the K2, instead of the one that leads to the antenna.


So, I ended up putting about 50 watts into the KAT100 antenna 1 lead.  
Most of the time, the K2 was listening on antenna 2.


It took me a few minutes to figure out what I had done wrong.  
Amazingly, the K2 appears to be fine, but I'll want to take it apart,  
and the KAT100 and look for any damaged components.


Anyone have any advice on components to check in a K2/100 and KAT100  
that have had RF fed down the wrong way?


I did end up with three contacts for SKN.

Bill Coleman, AA4LR, PP-ASELMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


  

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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] NB indicator flashing

2008-01-02 Thread Jon Robert Pellant
Easy one: 299,792,458 m/s. Since dark is merely the vacation of light and 
light vacates thus.


;)
w1jp

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To: "elecraft" 
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 07:15
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] NB indicator flashing



I might have missed this in the manual, but when I change the NB IF width
value, I can get to a point where the NB flashes - what does this 
indicate?

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AW: [Elecraft] [K3] G4AON and his K3

2008-01-02 Thread Dave G4AON

Klaus

Thanks for the feedback, have you any figures for the SSB filter as well?

73 Dave

just tried to do also some dynamic range measurements

two HP 8640 Generators (out +20dBm) attenuated to 0dBm into
an 6dB coupler attenuated to -10 dBm into an stepp-attenuator

done on 20meter with 4pole 500Hz filter
IMD with pre -140 dBm
IMD no pre -134 dBm

dynamic range no pre
spacing IMD-Level Dynamic
20 kHz -31 dBm 103 dB
5 kHz -31 dBm 103 dB
2 kHz -34 dBm 100 dB
+/- inaccuration

very happy
73
klaus
OE6KYG
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Re: [Elecraft] Q about the K3 rear panel

2008-01-02 Thread Barry N1EU

You can connect the subreceiver to a rx ant via the aux RF jack, without
having the KXV3 option.

See "Antenna Selection" at
http://www.zerobeat.net/mediawiki/index.php/K3_Stereo_Diversity_Reception_and_SO2V_Contesting

73/HNY,
Barry N1EU



DaleJ wrote:
> 
> I'm trying to clear up some confusion on my part and maybe I've missed
> something in the manual.  
> 
> I am looking at a picture of the rear panel of the K3 and I see a
> sub-panel with rx ant in/out, xvtr in/out and IF out.  Are these
> connectors only available if the KXV3 is ordered?  What about if the sub
> receiver is ordered but no KXV3 will it have the rx in/out?  It would be
> helpful if some of this were made a little more clear in the user manual
> or web page.  What I want is the sub rx and rx in/out, but I don't need
> the KXV3 because I don't plan to use transverters.  I do need to be able
> to connect a separate receiving antenna to the sub receiver.  I also
> understand that in order to have the IF out connector I would need to
> order the KXV3?  
> 

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[Elecraft] [K3] NB indicator flashing

2008-01-02 Thread David Ferrington, M0XDF
I might have missed this in the manual, but when I change the NB IF width
value, I can get to a point where the NB flashes - what does this indicate?
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Re: [Elecraft] Q about the K3 rear panel

2008-01-02 Thread Bill W4ZV



DaleJ wrote:
> 
> I'm trying to clear up some confusion on my part and maybe I've missed
> something in the manual.  
> 
> What I want is the sub rx and rx in/out, but I don't need the KXV3 because
> I don't plan to use transverters.  
> 

If you want RX IN/OUT, you need a KXV3.  It's wrong to think of it
only as a Transverter option.  Think of it as an RX ANT - IF OUT -
Transverter option.

73,  Bill  W4ZV


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[Elecraft] Q about the K3 rear panel

2008-01-02 Thread DaleJ

I'm trying to clear up some confusion on my part and maybe I've missed
something in the manual.  

I am looking at a picture of the rear panel of the K3 and I see a sub-panel
with rx ant in/out, xvtr in/out and IF out.  Are these connectors only
available if the KXV3 is ordered?  What about if the sub receiver is ordered
but no KXV3 will it have the rx in/out?  It would be helpful if some of this
were made a little more clear in the user manual or web page.  What I want
is the sub rx and rx in/out, but I don't need the KXV3 because I don't plan
to use transverters.  I do need to be able to connect a separate receiving
antenna to the sub receiver.  I also understand that in order to have the IF
out connector I would need to order the KXV3?  
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AW: [Elecraft] [K3] G4AON and his K3

2008-01-02 Thread Koppendorfer Klaus
sorry.. IMD has to be "MDS" 

done on 20meter with 4pole 500Hz filter
> MDS with pre  -140 dBm
> MDS no pre   -134 dBm

OE6KYG


>
> just tried to do also some dynamic range measurements
>
> two HP 8640 Generators (out +20dBm) attenuated to 0dBm into
> an 6dB coupler attenuated to -10 dBm into an stepp-attenuator
>
> done on 20meter with 4pole 500Hz filter
> IMD with pre  -140 dBm
> IMD no pre   -134 dBm
>
> dynamic range  no pre
> spacing   IMD-Level   Dynamic
> 20 kHz  -31 dBm 103 dB
> 5 kHz   -31 dBm 103 dB
> 2 kHz   -34 dBm 100 dB
> +/- inaccuration
>
> very happy
> 73
> klaus
> OE6KYG
>
>
> > My measurements give a 3rd order dynamic range of around 100 dB at
>  > 2 KHz signal spacing with a 400 Hz 8 pole filter and slightly better
>  > with a 2.8 KHz 8 pole filter (around 105 dB).
>
> >We measured a dynamic range of c. 106db (+/- a few dB) from 100kHz down
> >to 2kHz with the 8 pole 400Hz filter on 20m. So both measurements (by
> >DK4YJ with K3 #00067 and G4AON with K3 #00080) are in the same ballpark.

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AW: [Elecraft] [K3] G4AON and his K3

2008-01-02 Thread Koppendorfer Klaus
just tried to do also some dynamic range measurements

two HP 8640 Generators (out +20dBm) attenuated to 0dBm into
an 6dB coupler attenuated to -10 dBm into an stepp-attenuator

done on 20meter with 4pole 500Hz filter
IMD with pre  -140 dBm
IMD no pre   -134 dBm

dynamic range  no pre
spacing   IMD-Level   Dynamic
20 kHz  -31 dBm 103 dB
5 kHz   -31 dBm 103 dB
2 kHz   -34 dBm 100 dB
+/- inaccuration

very happy
73
klaus
OE6KYG


> My measurements give a 3rd order dynamic range of around 100 dB at
 > 2 KHz signal spacing with a 400 Hz 8 pole filter and slightly better
 > with a 2.8 KHz 8 pole filter (around 105 dB).

>We measured a dynamic range of c. 106db (+/- a few dB) from 100kHz down
>to 2kHz with the 8 pole 400Hz filter on 20m. So both measurements (by
>DK4YJ with K3 #00067 and G4AON with K3 #00080) are in the same ballpark.

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Re: [Elecraft] k3-broadcast band reception

2008-01-02 Thread Ken K3IU

It's already there on the "email list" page.
HNY,
Ken K3IU

G4ILO wrote:

When Eric gets a moment :) perhaps he could add a link to the Nabble
archives on the Elecraft web page?

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Re: [Elecraft] Now, that was stupid.... Advice?

2008-01-02 Thread Stephen Prior
Since you transmitted into the antenna tuner, is it nothing more serious
than having a lot of reflected power due to a mismatch?  In such a case we
would expect the tuner to survive that for some time.  Admittedly the K2 was
in receive mode at the time, but I would have expected the tuner components
to withstand that treatment.

73 Stephen G4SJP


On 2/1/08 10:40, "OE5CSP-Chris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> 
> 
> 
> Well, when setting up for SKN I did a dumb thing with my K2/100. My
> rig for SKN is a 40m two-tube transmitter that puts out about 50
> watts. Somehow, I ended up connecting it to the cable that leads to
> the K2, instead of the one that leads to the antenna.
> 
> So, I ended up putting about 50 watts into the KAT100 antenna 1 lead.
> Most of the time, the K2 was listening on antenna 2.
> 
> It took me a few minutes to figure out what I had done wrong.
> Amazingly, the K2 appears to be fine, but I'll want to take it apart,
> and the KAT100 and look for any damaged components.
> 
> Anyone have any advice on components to check in a K2/100 and KAT100
> that have had RF fed down the wrong way?
> 
> I did end up with three contacts for SKN.
> 
> Bill Coleman, AA4LR, PP-ASELMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> 
> Bill,
> 
> same thing happened to me with 100 Watts and strangely enough nothing was
> harmed, neither the KAT100 nor my K2.
> 
> 
> 73,Chris-OE5CSP



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Re: [Elecraft] k3-broadcast band reception

2008-01-02 Thread G4ILO



David Woolley-3 wrote:
> 
> The real problem in this case appears to be the unofficial, nabble.com, 
>   web gateway to the list, which really just acts a mail user agent when 
> posting.  Whilst most GUI email clients have now corrected their over 
> the wire formats so that plain text is physically wrapped when sent, it 
> looks like it still has the problem with early GUI mail clients of 
> thinking that newline is a paragraph, rather than line, delimiter.
> 
I think you're wrong about that, David. The message with the long lines that
provoked this off-topic digression was not posted through Nabble. My post
just now through Nabble appears properly wrapped when viewed through
MailMan.

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Re: [Elecraft] Now, that was stupid.... Advice?

2008-01-02 Thread OE5CSP-Chris




Well, when setting up for SKN I did a dumb thing with my K2/100. My  
rig for SKN is a 40m two-tube transmitter that puts out about 50  
watts. Somehow, I ended up connecting it to the cable that leads to  
the K2, instead of the one that leads to the antenna.

So, I ended up putting about 50 watts into the KAT100 antenna 1 lead.  
Most of the time, the K2 was listening on antenna 2.

It took me a few minutes to figure out what I had done wrong.  
Amazingly, the K2 appears to be fine, but I'll want to take it apart,  
and the KAT100 and look for any damaged components.

Anyone have any advice on components to check in a K2/100 and KAT100  
that have had RF fed down the wrong way?

I did end up with three contacts for SKN.

Bill Coleman, AA4LR, PP-ASELMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Bill,

same thing happened to me with 100 Watts and strangely enough nothing was
harmed, neither the KAT100 nor my K2.


73,Chris-OE5CSP
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RE: [Elecraft] k3-broadcast band reception

2008-01-02 Thread G4ILO



Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:
> 
> Looking at the QTH.NET archives, I see the same thing, but it's no longer
> the same format the e-mail sender posted. It's been converted and
> formatted
> in HTML for display in a web browser.
> 
> QTH.NET needs to fix how Mailman converts text to display in HTML with
> their
> browser frame.
> 

Why not just switch to using the Nabble archive (link at the bottom of this
message)? It's a heap better than any of the other archives, it has no
problem with wrapping long lines, and you can post directly from it (as I am
now doing) - just subscribe using the same email address you use for the
reflector. I have given up receiving direct copies of reflector postings,
Nabble is so much more convenient.

When Eric gets a moment :) perhaps he could add a link to the Nabble
archives on the Elecraft web page?

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Re: [Elecraft] k3-broadcast band reception

2008-01-02 Thread David Woolley

Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:

Okay. Outlook just calls it "plain text" (no formatting for lines or fonts).
It's a VERY common format and generally preferred since it allows the
reader's computer do the wrapping. 


Looking at the QTH.NET archives, I see the same thing, but it's no longer
the same format the e-mail sender posted. It's been converted and formatted
in HTML for display in a web browser.

QTH.NET needs to fix how Mailman converts text to display in HTML with their
browser frame.



QTH.NET is behaving correctly if not pragmatically (so any pragmatic fix 
should allow an option for correct behaviour as well).


The real problem in this case appears to be the unofficial, nabble.com, 
 web gateway to the list, which really just acts a mail user agent when 
posting.  Whilst most GUI email clients have now corrected their over 
the wire formats so that plain text is physically wrapped when sent, it 
looks like it still has the problem with early GUI mail clients of 
thinking that newline is a paragraph, rather than line, delimiter.


Users of nabble might also like to know that the postings through nabble 
result in a weak spam score being applied by my ISP (I have about 15% of 
digests reach the full 5 score for being treated as spam, although that 
requires scores for several different reasons):


0.2 WHOIS_MYPRIVREGURL registered to myprivateregistration.com
[URIs: nabble.com]

This appears to be a standard spamassassin rule, although the score may 
or may not be the default for that rule.


(Some of the spam scoring from the digest are the result of legitimate 
content looking like obfuscation, and are difficult to avoid, given the 
nature of the content - callsigns and component references).

--
David Woolley
Emails are not formal business letters, whatever businesses may want.
RFC1855 says there should be an address here, but, in a world of spam,
that is no longer good advice, as archive address hiding may not work.
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[Elecraft] k3 purchase order

2008-01-02 Thread OK1DF
HI,
I have ordered my K3 on 8 May 2007 and I paid 50% right after. What will happen 
next ?? 
When should I pay the rest of the amount and when will I get my dreamt-of K3???

 73!!!
Frantisek, 7X0RY
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