Re: [expert] Hey civileme: MacMillan Update CD Repost Request

[civileme]

On Tuesday 02 January 2001 17:36, you wrote:
> > http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/72last.php3
> >
> > last article on the page...
> >
> > If you selected individual packages and did not install conflicting zope
> > services or cups AND printpro, you should be OK and not need the
> > additional instructions.
> >
> > Civileme
>
> How do you not install PrintPro using the expert install and LM 7.2 Deluxe?
> I finally had to upgrade to the latest cups to even get printing to work. I
> kept getting an "Expired Licence" error in Kups when trying to print.

Printpro installs in expert mode if you select 100%.  If you use individual 
package selection and deselect it... it doesn't install

Of course the later CDs recognize the conflict and install either cups or 
printpro but not both.  You CAN have both sets of drivers loaded and even 
tell cups about the printpro drivers.

Civileme

Re: [expert] CUPS printing...

[Tom Snell]

Before you 'crap and go blind', take Till's advice and check the
updates.  I had exactly the problems you were having (I think the
'cdj880' driver was broken in the standard 7.2 CUPS), but everything
worked out on my HP DJ832C after downloading/installing the updates off
Till's page.  Now getting decent color and 600 dpi.beats crapping in
the dark!!!

Tom



Mark Weaver wrote:
> 
> Hi list,
> 
> 
> I just had an epiphany. CUPS PRINTING SUCKS!!@#Q#$%#!#@!
> 
> I liked the printer support that I had back in Mdk 7.1. It was simple, direct,
> to the point, and...IT FRIGGIN WORKED WITHOUT HAVING TO SACRIFICE SMALL
> BARNYARD ANIMALS TO THE GODS OF MORONITY IN ORDER TO GET IT TO WORK.
> 
> Why was something that was straightforward and NOT BROKEN changed so much that
> it's now NOT A USABLE OPTION? I just don't get it! I want to be able to print
> from all the applicartions that I could print from before with the same printer
> that I used before and I want to do all this some time this stinkin century. I
> REALLY don't think that's too much to expect.
> 
> I'm not ungrateful to those who are clearly working very hard on this Linux
> distribution. You all are doing a fantastic job. But DAMNIT! when something is
> working LEAVE IT ALONE, will ya?
> 
> 
> That being said I would like to express my disappointment with the printer
> support in this distribution. When you can get it to work it absolutely will
> not work correctly. The damn printer params are METRIC for God's sake. For
> those of us that DO NOT live, breath and die by the metric system apparently
> are unable to use this...this...Ah hell...I don't know what you'd call it, but
> it's unusable where as before my Canon hummed right along and didn't have a
> care in the world.
> 
> At this point I'm not sure whether I want to crap or go blind I'm so frustrated
> and sick and tired of trying everything I've learned over the past 7 years to
> convince, coax and/or otherwise plead with this OS that it's perfectly ok to
> print to the printer and to do it in a LEGABLE manner.
> 
> That's the other thing that REALLY got my shorts in a knot. When it does print
> the job is printed in a 5x8 square in the upper left corner of a 8.25x11 inch
> peice of paper. It doesn't matter what "I", the user tells it to do it does
> that and only that. And yes, I've used the Cups configure do-dad that shipped
> with this fine distribution, AND every other printer configuration utility that
> was supplied with the distribution and STILL it's printing in the same manner.
> 
> Things that are sent from apps such as Star Office go to the queue and then
> vanish without a trace! Now THATS a cool, or should that be a cruel trick!
> 
> With all this agrivation I'm serisouly considering going back to 7.1 not matter
> how good Mdk7.2 looks and feels. My god! if I can't do the whole job then what
> I DO get done on this machine isn't the least bit of good to me unless I can
> complete the job. AND PART OF THAT IS BEING ABLE TO GET IT TO THE PRINTER.
> 
> We're never going to take the world, nor even a decent peice of the market with
> stuff like this being common place. That's just the truth of it.
> 
> Mark

Re: [expert] Printer Problem - Step2

[Gerald Williams]

On Wednesday 03 January 2001 02:00, you wrote:
> Tony,
>
> Did as you suggested.
>
> # ps -aux |grep lpd
>
> root   255  0.0  0.5  1144  536 ?S12:20   0:00 lpd
>
> root   550  0.0  0.5  1308  500 pts/0S12:23   0:00 grep lpd
>
> Ran DrakConf. The lpd button was already clicked on.

You don't run both deamons. If you want to use Cups, then turn off lpd.





-- 
Gerald Williams
Words Matter!  Bangkok, Thailand

Re: [expert] Sound on Dell Inspiron 5000

[Tom Berkley]

Sounds normal for an Inspiron and that's the same reponse for info that
I get from my Inspiron 7k but the sound works just fine. Make certain
that you adjust the sound with the volume control on the the side of
your box first ( does the the 5k have an external volume control??). My
sound works fine but I usually compile the maestro 2 driver into a
custom kernel and use that. Since I'm still using 7.1 on the laptop, I
do not remember if I ever got the stock mandrake install kernel to make
the sound work. But if you make your own kernel, it should work fine.
Remove all references in the kernel options for sound except for the
Maestro 2 driver and it will work just fine.

Tom Berkley

Joseph Jenkins wrote:
> 
> I have a Dell Inspiron 5000, I am running Mandrake 7.2, Kde 2.0, and Linux
> Kernel 2.2.17.  I was wondering if anyone had any answers about making KDE
> recognize the Maestro card that is in the Laptop?  When KDE loads it plays
> the startup wave, but I am unable to control the sound in any way.  When I
> go into the control center, it says that there is no information available
> about the soundcard.
> 
> TIA,
> 
> Joseph Jenkins

Re: [expert] Sound on Dell Inspiron 5000

[Ernest N . Wilcox Jr .]

On Tuesday 02 January 2001 22:01, Joseph Jenkins you wrote:
 || I have a Dell Inspiron 5000, I am running Mandrake 7.2, Kde 2.0, and
 || Linux Kernel 2.2.17.  I was wondering if anyone had any answers about
 || making KDE recognize the Maestro card that is in the Laptop?  When KDE
 || loads it plays the startup wave, but I am unable to control the sound in
 || any way.  When I go into the control center, it says that there is no
 || information available about the soundcard.
 ||
 || TIA,
 ||
 || Joseph Jenkins

I set my sound levels and such with aumix in a terminal window, and save my 
settings there, then the start-up and shut-down scripts use the information 
for the next time I turn the system on - however far into the future that may 
be :).

Hope this helps,
-- 
Ernest N. Wilcox Jr. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

Re: [expert] Mandrake KDE 2.01

[Tom Berkley]

This morning I updated my 7.2 partition that was broken from the
kde-2.0.1 update. So far this new version of kde (2.1-0.20010101.1mdk)
works great, letter perfect. The menu bar at the bottom of the screen
decided that it wanted to be about an inch up from the bottom after the
update and restarting X.  But after futzing with it for a while, I
deleted my .kde directory, logged out, restarted X, and logged back in.
Perfect. Thanks for the support getting this thing fixed. Sound which
was broken with 2.0.1, works nicely. Ditto for the network. 

Oh, yes, before I forget, cups works great. With the new driver for my
hp895 inkjet, I get fantastic resolution and all of the programs that I
have printed from so far work great. usb connection functions fine for
the printer also with the new cups updates.

7.2 has finally matured to point where it can be counted on by me.

Thanks again to all who contributed (or bitched - just another way of
contributing)

Tom Berkley

civileme wrote:
> 
> On Monday 11 December 2000 18:42, you wrote:
> 
> > >   I d/l'd the new 'official unsupported' KDE2.01 rpms as announced on
> > http://www.mandrakeforum.com/article.php3?sid=20001209085323
> >  I first ran a 'rpm -Uvh --test' on them all at once and got back a
> > slew of messages that the packages ( Chris Molnar's
> > ftp://nebsllc.com/pub/KDE_UPDATE ) already installed were newer.
> >
> >Out of curiosity, and thinkin I was being none to smart, I forced an
> > install of the Mdk 2.01 rpm's anyway.  It was a big MISTAKE.  The
> > resulting KDE2.01 was a _downgrade_ from Chris' KDE2 upgrades, and
> > introduced a few bugs as well (eg, kedit wouldn't run, I lost a lot of
> > recent Konqueror bookmarks, etc.).
> >
> > needless to say I chalked my experiment up to user error, and
> > have backed out the 2.01 rpms and reinstalled Chris' KDE2.01+ rpms.
> > All is well again inspite of myself :)
> 
> Chris's packet was fruit from the CVS tree which is headed directly at KDE
> 2.1, but we responded to customer demand for the 2.01 bugfix release.
> 
> Civileme
> 
>   
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Re: [expert] Critical problem (Not a Hardware Problem)

[Lars Nordin]

It does almost sound like hardware - when you run RH or Debian do you stress
the system to see if it dies?
(like running several instances of "cp /dev/hda /dev/null" or "find / |
cpio -o | compress > /dev/null")

I was going to say that memory may be an issue but you have ECC RAM and that
should squawk if there are errors.

How did you get your distro? off the net? There were a few posts I saw that
implicated that some of the Mandrake ISOs might be corrupt on some of the
mirrors or become corrupt at download.

BTW: Why do you have to recompile for SMP support? - may be I'm thinking of
Red Hat but I could swear that Mandrake provided SMP kernel rpms.

May be you should try temporarily pulling out one of the processors? (I'm
grasping at straws here)

- Original Message -
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 10:02 AM
Subject: Re: [expert] Critical problem (Not a Hardware Problem)


[ snip ]
> This problem came up within 24 hours of performing a complete system
update from
> one of the Mandrake mirrors.  However, this may be a coincidence.
>
> When I booted the machine, the LILO dialog screen came up as usual.  If I
> selected the standard "linux" or just let the default do the work, the
same
> result:  An immediate reboot.  LILO dialog comes up, default, reboot.  The
cycle
> continued.
>
> Not having a working box, I performed an experiment.  This is what I did
(with
> attendant results):
>
> 1. Performed a complete reinstall of Mandrake 7.2 (from scratch, including
> reformatting the hard disk (I wanted to get rid of CUPS anyway)).  Result:
> Exact same problem, LILO, select, reboot.
>
> 2. Next, I switched distributions and loaded Debian 2.2r1 onto the box.
It ran
> just fine.  No memory problems, no hard disk problems, nothing out of the
> ordinary.
>
> 3. Next, tried loading Mandrake 7.2 back on.  Exact same problem!  LILO,
select,
> reboot cycle.  Moreover, I tried to load from a boot floppy.  Same
problem!
>
> 4. Next, I switched yet again to RedHat 6.2.  Same result as Debian.
Normal
> install and stable performance.
>
> Here is the configuration:
>
> Compaq Professional Workstation 8000
> Dual Pentium Pro (200 MHz)
> 128 MB ECC RAM
> two 4 GB Segate SCSI HD's (no RAID).
> Voodoo3 2000 PCI video card.
>
> The odd thing is that Mandrake ran stable for several weeks before failure
> (albeit just after a major update).  However, if it was something with the
> update, the reinstall should have cleared it up -- but it didn't.
>
> I plan to do some more troubleshooting tonight.  I will first try to
reload
> Mandrake, only this time I will specify GRUB in lieu of LILO.
>
> Next, I will load Mandrake 7.1 and see if I can narrow the problem down to
7.2.
>
> One last thing, since this is an SMP system, and I have to recompile the
kernel
> for SMP (and I'm not sure about RH 6.2), I will first check out SMP
enablement
> in RH 6.2 and, if necessary, recompile the kernel for SMP and reboot to
see
> whether that is causing the problem.  Note, however, that upon boot both
> processors are initialized (as normal) so I don't think that SMP is a
problem.
>
> Any other suggestions?
>
> TIA,
>
> Ron
>  ./.

Re: [expert] Critical problem

[Ronald L. Chichester]

Mark Weaver wrote:
> 
> I've been getting those ever since I started using Mdk7.2 two weeks ago. I
> get them ping, telnet, and a few other things that I can't remember off the
> top of my head at the moment.
> 
> Here is the contents of just one of the little darlings. They're filling up
> root's mailbox and I haven't a clue as to what their meaning is. clearly
> they're trying to tell me something, but since they're very vague by nature I
> just don't seem to be able to decypher their meaning.

Well, if it is any consolation, I've been getting those too.  I noticed
that my root mailbox was very full and constantly got mail.  Like you,
however, I couldn't decipher it (or didn't take the time to figure it
out).  What did you end up doing?

Incidentally, I'm running RedHat 6.2 on the box as I write this.  Stable
performance.  Ditto when I tried Debian.  Makes me want to switch.

What are/did you do about it?

Cheers,

Ron
 ./.

> 
> >From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Jan  1 19:06:12 2001
> Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 15:45:07 -0500
> From: root <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: ALERT servers/ping: localhost (Sat Dec 30 15:45:04)
> 
> Summary output: localhost
> 
> Group : servers
> Service   : ping
> Time noticed  : Sat Dec 30 15:45:04 2000
> Secs until next alert :
> Members   : localhost
> 
> Detailed text (if any) follows:
> ---
> 
> --
> Mark
> 
> "If you don't share your concepts and ideals, they end up being worthless,"
> "Sharing is what makes them powerful."
> 
> Linus Torvalds

[expert] Kernel 2.2.18 Problem w/ReiserFS Patches

[Tony K . Olsen]

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Hi Anyone,

Just tried to build a new 2.2.18 kernel that I patched with the reiserfs 
patches (which worked flawlessly).  Kernel and modules built fine and I 
configued lilo to add the new kernel but...

all boots start off and then end up with the following message streaming 
across the screen in rapid fire motion:

kmod: failed to exec /sbin/modprobe -s -k binfmt-464c, errno = 8

and I can never get the new customized kernel to boot.  The system is all 
reiserfs as you can see by the /etc/fstab:

[root@myPC kmail]# cat /etc/fstab
/dev/hdb1 / reiserfs notail 1 1
none /dev/pts devpts mode=0620 0 0
/dev/hdb8 /downloads reiserfs defaults 1 2
/dev/hdb6 /home reiserfs defaults 1 2
/mnt/cdrom /mnt/cdrom supermount fs=iso9660,dev=/dev/cdrom 0 0
/mnt/cdrom2 /mnt/cdrom2 supermount fs=iso9660,dev=/dev/cdrom2 0 0
/mnt/floppy /mnt/floppy supermount fs=vfat,dev=/dev/fd0 0 0
/dev/hdc1 /mnt/windows vfat user,exec,umask=0 0 0
/dev/hdb7 /opt reiserfs defaults 1 2
none /proc proc defaults 0 0
/dev/hdb5 /usr reiserfs defaults 1 2
/dev/hdb9 swap swap defaults 0 0

Anyone got any ideas/suggestions/advice?  Also where can I get a 2.2.18 
Mandrake kernel rpm with all the reiserfs patches?

TIA.  Cheers.

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Re: [expert] Intel 815e

[Alinga Yeung]

I recently installed Mandrake 7.2 on my new system. It
went quite smoothly apart from the BIOS setup that I needed
to do but didn't do -- I needed to turn off "PNP OS" in the BIOS.
My system uses a GeForce II MX card and Mandrake 7.2
configured it correctly -- in the sense that I could startx and use
KDE without problems.  I am quite happy with Mandrake 7.2
based on my installation experience. My other system uses
Mandrake 7.1 and I plan to upgrade it to Mandrake 7.2 once
I have some time and if I don't come across many problems
with Mandrake 7.2. The following is my system with Mandrake 7.2
running:

PIII 866
256 MB SDRAM
Asus CUSL2-C MB
GeFroce II MX
SB Live
DEC "tulip" Ethernet card
DVD ROM
CD Writer


Good luck.

Alinga

- Original Message -
From: "Jerry Sternesky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 4:12 AM
Subject: [expert] Intel 815e


> I sent this a couple of days ago and it seems it never made it to the
list.
>
> I will be getting an intel 815e motherboard with onboard sound and 4Xagp
> graphics.  I was wondering 2 things has anyone installed Mandrake 7.2 on
> one of these, if so what "challenges" if any can I look forward to if any
to
> get the hardware recognized.  I plan on doing a fresh install.  According
to
> the intel FAQ I can anticipate it not seeing all of my memory for 2.x
series
> of kernels, it also looks like I will have to install a graphic driver
from
> intel for the agp support.
>
> Also, since I currently use a Creatave TNT2 Ultra in 24bit will I be
> disappointed by video performance, including openGL?  The xfree86.org site
> indicates 4.02 has improved DRI but only at 16.  It does have a slot for
> adding an agp video card if I choose, but I am wondering if this is worth
the
> added expense to play some games.
>
> If anybody has some experience with these I would appreciate their
feedback,
> since I won't tackle this until the weekend I am trying to plan ahead.
>
> Thanks
>
> Jerry
>

Re: [expert] For all of you with "One BIG anoying Pain in the A**"

[Larry Marshall]

> LM7.2. But, I think my point is still valid for a lot of people's
> upgrades.

No doubt about it Victor, I maintain a box for playing.  My comments
were related to the difficulties of getting version 7+ of ANY
operating system to do basic things without having to relearn the
entire operating system, read volumes on a dozen websites and hope and
pray that you can fix things with a bunch of patches.  The Linux world
has bad-mouthed Microsoft for releasing buggy programs and that's
certainly justified.  BUT, Microsoft has always come along quickly
with updates and something like W'98 was followed quickly with minor
revision releases.  Where's the "minor revision release" from ANY of
the LINUX distro people?  It's not even in their vocabulary.  There
are all sorts of things that could be stabilized in 7.2 and updated
isos made available.  I dare say that the folks at Mandrake are
running exactly such systems on a daily basis.  And yet there's no
effort to actually do those updates other than through the update
facility which seems to have problems of its own :-)  

I will give them this, the 7.2 updater is a bazillion miles ahead of
the one that came with 7.1.  But since I can't even do an expert
install that runs to completion it doesn't do me a lot of good.

> I think stability and featurefulness needs a different approach.

Yep...and that, I guess, is my basic point.  That approach is
non-existent in the current Linux community once you get just a couple
bytes above the kernel.

> The legendary linux stability meant stability of the kernel. The stable
> kernel. Not all the programs, desktops, and new programs from

If that's true then "world domination" is meaningless.  Taking even a
small bite out of the Windows world is unreasonable.  I would grant
that the folks working close to the kernel are properly managing
development, stability, etc.  But when I hand a system to a guy and he
then starts asking me why version 0.1 of this or that utility doesn't
work, it suggests to me that there's a problem of another sort with
this development model.  Imagine how popular Windows would be if
Microsoft bundled up half a dozen CDs of any and all of the small
Visual Basic hacks that have been done and called it part of their
package?  This is what the Linux community is trying to do right now,
mostly without a need to do so other than to feed "1300 programs" and
"New" and other lines on a shrinkwrap box. 

> cooker. And probably not CUPS, either. Debian is considered one of

An operating sytem without a stable print facility is not a desktop
operating system in this day and age.  It's that simple.

> the most stable and featureful linux distros. They stick to
> software, installation methods, desktops which are usually found in
> Mandrake distros like 6.2 -7.0.  And yes, if you want cool stuff to

Yep, and if I didn't feel that sometimes "best" doesn't win the race
in the computer game I might give it a try.  But it seems to me that
the die is cast that the side of the street that Mandrake and Red Hat
are on will be where the majority will live.  Then again, I've been
wrong before :-)

> be working on your linux, you may have to tweak a little bit to make it
> stable or usable. Sorry...

Understand Viktor that I realize completely that if I want a very
stable system I can get it.  I'll just reload Red Hat 6.2.  My
statements are more couched in the vein that one of two things need to
happen. Either the distro people need to spend more time stabilizing
things or the Linux community should stop even giving a hint that
Linux is an operating system that anyone but a seasoned computer jock
is going to be able to use.  Right now the rhetoric of this community
doesn't fit its footsteps.  Either could be out of whack, I'm not in a
position to answer that.  

The thing I find odd is that I don't think anyone in the Linux
community ever figured that it might be the distribution companies
that would be the major stumbling block in putting a stable Linux on a
secretarie's desktop...but it is.  Let me provide an example here. 
Anyone who's read this conference knows of the problems associated
with v7.2.  We also know of the great Mandrake Cooker and realize
there are guys working very hard...on something.  But if I download a
Cooker install do I get improved stability?  No...what I get are more
features.  Can I go to the Mandrake site and get a fix for my
installer problems with 7.2?  No.  So, willing or not to spend time, I
struggle to have 7.2 running 100% on my system and I can't even
imagine what all those people who received Mandrake Complete 7.2 for
Xmas are going to do.

> Just an example: For a really stable KDE desktop, you probably have
> to stick to KDE 1.2...Until all the fixes for KDE 2.0 come out.

Here again, I have improved stability considerably by installing
KDE2.1.  Is the secretary I mentioned above going to do that?  Are the
bunch of guys I've got running Mandrake around here going to do that
when they're s

[expert] Sound on Dell Inspiron 5000

[Joseph Jenkins]

I have a Dell Inspiron 5000, I am running Mandrake 7.2, Kde 2.0, and Linux
Kernel 2.2.17.  I was wondering if anyone had any answers about making KDE
recognize the Maestro card that is in the Laptop?  When KDE loads it plays
the startup wave, but I am unable to control the sound in any way.  When I
go into the control center, it says that there is no information available
about the soundcard.

TIA,

Joseph Jenkins

Re: [expert] For all of you with "One BIG anoying Pain in the A**"

[Mark Weaver]

On Tuesday 02 January 2001 03:08 am, you wrote:
> On Tuesday 02 January 2001 08:44, you wrote:
> > Hi Mark and all of you suffering from upgrades,
> >
> > In the not too distant past, I belonged to the same group as you. If
> > I saw new  packages (usually rpms) of the latest and greatest, I
> > went ahead to installed them, and a lot of times ended up reinstalling
> > everything, sometimes the whole system. There was always some
> > problem with these packages. Sometimes fixable, sometimes to find
> > the cure was soo long and bothersome, that a quick re-install got me
> > up an running much quicker. Of course, this way you cannot learn.
> > You have no idea what caused the problem. But you have to have your
> > working system at any time! You want to access emails, surf the net,
> > whatever is your daily task on your computer...Certainly, for most
> > of us, not to look at bugs in kde2.1beta. For some people, yes that
> > is, but I think they all use the common sense strategy I want to talk
> > about...
> >
> > Then I got tired of it and started to build a new system, what is
> > becoming better and better and still keeps every changes I made in
> > the configuration files, upgrades etc. I am still going for the
> > greatest and latest to try. But I have now two identical system, and
> > I ALWAYS install the actual new *very stable*  betas on the
> > experimental system. And yes, a lot of times there are problems,
> > having two systems did not make me a "real Linux guru", but
> > certainly saved me a lot of "BIG annoying pain in the A...". Do you know
> > why? Because I still have my production system, and everything WORKS
> > on that!! And yes I might have to reinstall my "bleeding edge
> > -upgraded" system running KDE2.01 alpha-beta-gamma :-)), but this is
> > just a little playing for me, and I can decide that the promised new
> > upgrade did not work, or gave just a very little advantage, and it
> > is not worth to go for...Or it is installed beautifully, and stable
> > and ready to use it on my production system.
> >
> > I only have two different root partition, my /usr/local and home
> > partitions reside on different partitions so I can use them from both
> > Linux system, if I want...
> >
> > To be free of the "BIG annoying pain" you only need 1.5 Gigabyte
> > hard disk space. Trust me, it is worth it.
> >
> > Happy new year!
> >
> > Viktor
> >
> > On Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 04:58:09PM -0500, Mark Weaver wrote:
> > > I know...I'm replying to m own post, but...O well.
> > >
> > > As a followup to this thread the KDE upgrade from 2.0 to 2.0.1 was a
> > > total bust! The dame thing screwed up my partition tables. (And I'd
> > > really like to know how that happens.) The re-install took 8
> > > hours...I'm ready for that C4 now.  (?:-P)->-<. It's just not worth the
> > > aggrivation , time and trouble that upgrading causes.
> > >
> > > Mark
>
> http://www.mandrakeforum.com/article.php3?sid=20001206025807
>
> There you discover how to do it(details).
>
> Civileme

Do it?   Are you refering to learning how to make C4, or properly 
install bleeding edge beta KDE rpms?

either way thanks...I'll check it out.
-- 
Mark

"If you don't share your concepts and ideals, they end up being worthless," 
"Sharing is what makes them powerful."

Linus Torvalds

Re: [expert] Remote X

[Jerry Sternesky]

Thanks I think you have started me in the right direction.  A quick search of 
kde.org for soundserver (aRts returns nothing, go figure) took me to this 
link.

http://www.kde.com/docs/d/kdecontrib/KControl/2.0/en/sndserver.html

It basicly states what you said, that checking Enable Network Transparency 
and exchange security and reference info of X11 should do just that.  Send 
the sound back to the "MachineA".

I enabled these options, restarted X on "MachineB" and tried the connection 
again and to my dismay the sound was still on MachineB.  

I will have to do some more reading and searching, I couldn't find anything 
relating to this in the KDE Bug tracking system.  So I can assume one of 2 
things.  It works as advertised and I haven't found the right configuration 
combo or what I am trying to do is unusal enough that no one else has 
stumbled on it as a "bug" yet.

Thanks Again,

Jerry


> KDE I thought had the ability now in 2.x to do sound
> over X... I thought that is what the options were
> for in Look and Feel --- Sound --- and the network
> transparency and all were for. Of course I am
> probably incorrect on this. :)
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mike MacCana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 9:18 AM
> To: Jerry Sternesky
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [expert] Remote X
>
>
> Yes, this is normal. X doesn't handle sound. The Enligtened Sound Daemon
> [or esound] does, however I don't have too much experience with it beyond
> knowing it works.
>
> Mike
>
> --
> Mike MacCana  Support Consultant
>   C Y B E R S O U R C E
>Level 9, 140 Queen St Melbourne 3000
> Ph : +61 3 9642 5997 Fax: +61 3 9642 5998
>
> On Tue, 2 Jan 2001, Jerry Sternesky wrote:
> > Yesterday I was playing around with running X on MachineA from MachineB.
> >
> > >From MachineA I executed X -quiet -query MachineB.  It connected and gdm
> > > came
> >
> > up no problem.  I logged in with kde as my choice.  When the startup wave
> > played the sound came from the speakers in MachineB?  Is this normal, or
> > correct?  If I wanted the sound on machine A is there a way to do this?
> >
> > I am toying with the idea of setting one pc to act as a server not only
> > in the traditional sense but to be an xdm server for 2 clients.  What I
> > am hoping to do is have all the programs I want to located on one machine
> > accessable by all clients.  Is this even the right route for that?  Or
> > should I be reading different how-to's?
> >
> > Thanks Again,
> >
> > Jerry

Re: [expert] Problem With gAIN

[Ivan Trail]

goto www.marko.net/gaim and get the latest version.   think it was verson
10.8 (?) where they switched the protocol and the newer versions work "even
better than the real thing"
- Original Message -
From: "Andrew Bartorillo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, January 01, 2001 6:53 PM
Subject: [expert] Problem With gAIN


> I ran the AOL Instant Messenger program gAIN and attempted to log in to
> my AOL Instant Messenger account. Upon login I keep getting the message
> NO CONFIGURATION at the bottom of the login dialog box and can go no
> further. My wife is given the same indication when attemtping to log
> into her account. Everything works just fine when using AOL's Instant
> Messenger software on my WIN95 computer. Has anyone experienced this
> problem and have a solution?
>
> TIA.
>
> --Drew--
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
>

[expert] Kernels: Compiling Mandrake-specific needs & "-secure" version

[Jeff Bonner]

A couple questions...

1) If I compile a new kernel for mdk 7.0, are there any additional,
Mandrake-specific things I need to do?  As opposed to a stock RedHat
installation.

2) Does anyone know what's different about Mandrake's "-secure"
kernel version?  For example, I selected the "high" security mode
during install, and now I have a kernel called "2.2.14-15mdksecure"
which LILO boots by default.  I also have a "normal" kernel.

Thanks,

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Re: [expert] For all of you with "One BIG anoying Pain in the A**"

[J . A . Magallon]

On 2001.01.02 Larry Marshall wrote:

> Mandrake.  By version 7 of anything things like print services should
> be stable, period.  This is especially true if the features have been
> stable through the previous few versions and no increased facility is
> being provided by the change.

Well, don't agree with that. I don't remenber exactly what were the
printer related problems, but I suppose that nobody sends a mail to a
list to say 'hey, cups work'. There can be many people that probably
are printing using cups and don't matter about this list. CUPS
developers can test its package, beta testers can help, but one can not
get all the cases tested in such a big system.
I the masses don't burn CUPS, anybody will know if it works. Following
your ideas, you will be still printing ASCII or PostScript Level 1
(if it is not too much bleeding-edge for you...)

> 
> Kinda takes the wind out of the sails of "Linux is more stable than
> Windows" doesn't it?  How do you answer these people when they say
> "But 7.2 is available in a store; can it really be that bad?"
>

And Linux is really much more stable that windows. All the problems I
see recently in this list come from that big thing called KDE, that
tries to emulate windoze not only in the look'n'feel but also in
the bugginess and size. So the problem is a buggy gui (well, the 
problem is that the gui is what you see). I have seen much less
complaints on Gnome.

> I don't envy the job that companies like Mandrake have but they're
> making these decisions based on short term marketing, not in order to
> stabilize their products.

Do you mean shipping Win 3.1 ?? Death is a maximum stability state
(no entropy...).

> plunge.  In short, as long as distro people are driven by marketing
> (and what else would drive them?) they will be adders/changers, not
> subtracters/stabilizers that's a fundamental problem in my view.
> 

I think that distro people have a very important role of 'choosers'
of what soft are going to include. No distro can be equal to another.
See Mdk and RH. Cousins that take very different ways. That is what
I like of Mdk. RH7 could have offered a brand new buggy compiler, but
XFree 4.01f was still a dream in RawHide when I donwloaded my new
4.0.2 in a working rpm from sunet.
 
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Re: [expert] For all of you with "One BIG anoying Pain in the A**"

[Viktor Lakics]

Hi Larry,

I feel what you described in here. Maybe Mark's point was not really
just have an interesting beta stuff, he wanted to fix stuff in
LM7.2. But, I think my point is still valid for a lot of people's
upgrades. 

I think stability and featurefulness needs a different approach.
The legendary linux stability meant stability of the kernel. The stable
kernel. Not all the programs, desktops, and new programs from
cooker. And probably not CUPS, either. Debian is considered one of
the most stable and featureful linux distros. They stick to
software, installation methods, desktops which are usually found in
Mandrake distros like 6.2 -7.0.  And yes, if you want cool stuff to
be working on your linux, you may have to tweak a little bit to make it
stable or usable. Sorry...

Just an example: For a really stable KDE desktop, you probably have
to stick to KDE 1.2...Until all the fixes for KDE 2.0 come out.

Well, I have to admit, I switched to linux some 4 years ago not
because of stability, but couriosity and because I allways change
stuff on my computer, try out things. I got bored with Windows, it
was closed I knew it, it was not interesting any more. It did not
help me to learn more...
But of course, I also need a working version of some kind of OS.
That is why I suggested to have two copies of the same distro. By
the way, a lot of the problems in LM7.2 are probably hardware and
setup dependent. My *stable* distro is a LM7.2, with KDE 2.0 and it
works for me...CUPS too. Actually without CUPS I would not be able
to print at all, because my printer is not supported.

Finally, as much as I love linux, I have to say, linux is still not for
the Walmart people. Never was. And when it will be suitable for
those people, its name will be Windows, and comes pre-installed...:-))

That is just my view right now, and if I will be wrong about it, I
will be the happiest to see the Linux World Domination. Amen.

Viktor

On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 10:54:55AM -0500, Larry Marshall wrote:
> 
> going to convince your buddies to try it (remember the World
> Domination theme of the Linux movement) and they're not computer geeks
> you have to have something that they can use without going through
> what you're talking about.  How does it sound to say 
> 
> "Well, I'll give you version 7.1 of LM as it's pretty stable.  You
> won't be able to use the nice stuff I've mentioned in the new version
> of GIMP and you won't have any of these nice windows I have in
> KDE2.1.  I'm sorry, no, we'll have to update your Netscape so that
> 4.73 doesn't bleed memory all over the place and no, pppoe isn't built
> into 7.1 but we can easily get what you need and install it.  Oh sure,
> once Mandrake gets its 7.2 installer sorted out, all this other stuff
> stabilized, and I figure out how to get CUPS to reliably print we
> might be able to make a run at installing this newer stuff on your
> system."
> 
> Kinda takes the wind out of the sails of "Linux is more stable than
> Windows" doesn't it?  How do you answer these people when they say
> "But 7.2 is available in a store; can it really be that bad?"
> 
> I don't envy the job that companies like Mandrake have but they're
> making these decisions based on short term marketing, not in order to
> stabilize their products.  The CUPS change wasn't positive and I've
> yet to read anything to suggest that anyone thinks it was, except for
> maybe the author and Mandrake.  Why was it done in the midst of
> struggling to deal with a major leap in the KDE interface, with
> KOffice being dumped into the mix and a changing file system?  Mark's
> point, and mine, is that some of Linux above the kernel level needs to
> remain stable for some period of time and change for change sake might
> fit a geek-development mindset but it doesn't create commercial
> products.
> 
> There's an interesting thing about the Linux dynamic.  Linus Torvalds
> and others talk about how the open source concept causes rapid change
> and that approval for features come from the users.  If something is
> popular in one distro it becomes part of all of them very quickly is
> the chant.  What seems to be missing from the equation presented is
> that the distros are adders and changers; they rarely subtract or
> stabilize.  
> 
> Once everyone in the community proclaims that this or that application
> doesn't work worth a darn, where is the compulsion to remove it from
> the system.  Once the world proclaims that they like their Linux "like
> this" and all the distros become the same, what do the distro people
> do to set themselves apart and provide the box art people with fodder
> for selling their product?  They change it, that's what and this is
> the dilemma we have right now.  Red Hat has just done this with their
> v7.0 upgrade.  They provided some improved functionality but most of
> what got added/changed makes 6.2 worse as 6.2 was very stable, the
> tools that came with it worked, and Red Hat hasn't yet made the KDE2.0
> plunge.

Re: [expert] pain in the arse?

[Onur]

Hello

Sa> it's interesting that folks are claiming that 7.1 worked better than 7.2.
Sa> granted bugs are found...but shouldn't a later release be MORE stable, not
Sa> LESS?  good point about some folks just have to get work DONE.  :P

Yes, especially about the kernel stuff and rpm thingies... And some
few lockups during installation, still there are many bugs...It is
great, yes, but why this many bugs ? Mandrake 6.1 , still seems to me
so good to be true

(am not saying to much buggy, I tried redhat 7 too, and as for the
newest distros, I kiss my mandrake cds :P But still, after I put the
cd in my cdrom, I want my linux install, setup, as fluently and strong
as possible... Thats the way I show off with my linux box ! :)

Sa> i thought that stable versions are even numbered after the decimal, and
Sa> production was odd numbered after the decimal.  i just thought i read that
Sa> somewhere.

 I guess it is only for the kernel, but, yes, why not use this
 method for distros too ? :)

Sa> matthew



 Onur



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Re: [expert] Read/Write permissions on a VFAT partition

[duane voth]

Klar Brian D Contr MSG SICN wrote:

> umask=0

No umask is for setting the default permissions for files you *create*,
it doesn't change the access you have to existing files.

More then likely Jon, you will need to be root to write to the filesystem,
or if there is a way to mount the vfat from a normal user account then that
user will likely have permissions to write to it.

duane

> I have a vfat partition (win98) mounted but cannot seem to get permissions
> to write to it.
> 
> Would someone please give me a hint how to do this?
> 
> Jon H.

RE: [expert] IRQ steering?

[Svante Signell]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 > See Below...
...
 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 >  > 
 >  > On newer motherboards two or more PCI slots may share an IRQ
 >  > allocation with integrated devices. Thus, in your case the PCI slot
 >  > you put the ethernet card into WILL ALWAYS share the same IRQ with
 >  > your motherboard's integrated audio.  NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO, this
 >  > will be the case. You can change the allocation to say 11, but now
 >  > your audio and eth0 will go to 11... ugh.
 > 
 > This would be OK if the video card does not require an IRQ, or can
 > more than two devices share the same IRQ? (W98 on the same machine
 > have no problems with three devices at IRQ5)
 > 
 > Sharing an IRQ depends upon several things.
 > 
 > 1) The BIOS and OS must be able to determine which device initiated
 > 1) an IRQ in the first place and service the request.
 > 2) No two devices being active at the same time, or masking the
 > 2) IRQ's. (Something which a lot of driver manufacturers are fond
 > 2) of doing...)
 > 3) Full support for this in the OS.
 > 4) Low IRQ handling latency.
 > 
 > Linux is relatively new to IRQ sharing. While it seems to be able
 > to handle some IRQ sharing there are problems.
 > 
 > Sound, Video & Ethernet cards sharing IRQ's with other devices seem
 > to be fairly problematic. So much so that often the drivers will
 > disable cards that are sharing IRQ's with other devices.
 > 
 > Hopefully 2.4 kernels will deal with this better.
 >
 > > I'm using X4.0.2 with DRI enabled. According to the log files and
 > > glxinfo the card is HW accelerated. However, even though Q3A and gears
 > > run OK, HG2, Heretic2, UT does _not_. Do the Banshee (tdfx) driver
 > > require an IRQ? 
 > 
 > Yes the Banshee does require an IRQ for VGA type output (not for
 > when it switches to 3D mode though...).  Lacking an IRQ might make
 > it impossible for the card to switch in and out of VGA/SVGA modes
 > from 3D mode and vice-versa.
Maybe this is the reason for the slowdown in some 3D
applications. Eg. changing resolutions or starting up a game takes
forever.
 > 
>> If not, everything should be OK, or something else is causing the complete 
>slowdown, maybe DMA?
 > 
 > Slowdown? You didn't state this initially. If you are referring to
 > a low frame rate, this may be due to other problems. Normally the
 > main cause for this is that the program is trying to do something
 > in 3D which the card cannot handle.
 > 
 > This causes the graphics engine to resort to utilizing software
 > rendering features that put a large drain on the CPU cycles.
 > 
 > Your best bet is to drop all 3D features to their lowest, then
 > crank them up one at a time until you get acceptable gameplay.
 > 
 > Remember the Banshee is barely able to do 800x600x16BPP. If you set
 > the resolution higher then graphics engine is working in software
 > mode...
I'e been using "nice" video settings for the card in different
games. Also changing video options does not improve the situation for
games running slow. It seem to be more a problem with change of video modes.
 >>
 >> What happens if I exchange the Ethernet card (IRQ 5) with the PCTV
 >> card (IRQ 3)?  Then according to your info IRQ 5 will be allocated to
 >> the sound device, the TV card and the Banshee (AGP) card and IRQ 3 to
 >> the Ethernet card. 
 > Correct. 
 >
 >> If all devices requires an IRQ, no solution is obtained this way!?
 >
 > Maybe not. The TV card is not being used when your Banshee is in 3D mode.
 > 
 > Ideally your Ethernet card, Banshee and sound card should all have
 > their own IRQ's for optimal performance. In turn the TV card is
 > NEVER used when the Banshee is in 3D mode or you are accessing your
 > LAN. So the TV card and Ethernet card sharing an IRQ would be good
 > candidates to try...
I'll try to exchange cards, to see if things improve. What one really
would like is an LinuxBios/OpenBios/FreeBios solution not being
dependent on the different manufacturers BIOS capabilities.

On the mother-board is also an integrated 10MB/s ethernet adapter. I
can disable it in the BIOS, is it also possible to reuse its IRQ
(IRQ11)?

Re: [expert] Start X with no login

[duane voth]

Barry Winch wrote:

> Hi, I have an application that runs under X, that I would like to start
> automagically on boot-up. Unfortunately X always wants we to log in.
> 
> Is there a way to start x in an rc.xxx file, which in turn will start the
> application, prior to any login taking place?

Maybe try putting:

   xinit

in rc.local.  Then setup /root/.xinitrc with the
programs you always want to run:

   twm &
   xhost +
   xrmdb .Xdefaults
   xterm

The last program will keep the X session going until it exits (so exit
from the last xterm to kill the entire session - or you can place your
app there instead of the xterm).  You will have to get others here to
tell you how to start KDE or Gnome correctly without using kdm but it
is probably very simple.

Last, set your initial run level to 3 instead of 5 to avoid the xdm/kdm
login nonsense.

duane

Re: [expert] Boot CD (was Bit-for-bit CD's)

[duane voth]

Ronald L. Chichester wrote:

> "Ronald L. Chichester" wrote:
> 
> Okay folks, I figured out how to make a regular cd using mkisofs and
> cdrecord (still couldn't get any of the GUI routines to work correctly,
> but the command line routines are still available and still work).
> 
> In any case, the last trick that I need is to get the install disk to
> act as a boot disk.  Is there some special incantation with cdrecord
> that I need in order to make the install disk bootable?  I DID read the
> man page for cdrecord, but it wasn't terribly enlightening.  I presume
> that the image that needs to be booted is /boot/vmlinuz in the install
> CD.  Question that I have (aside from making it a boot CD) is how to get
> it to boot that image.

It will be a mkisofs issue.  On the original cd (and now also your copy)
will be a *floppy* image file that contains the boot code.  It's weird,
CDs mimic booting from a floppy!  I've made boot CDs using the following
mkisofs command (after placing the boot floppy image in /tmp):

   mkisofs -v -U -R -b /tmp/fd144.img -c /

You will want to modify this to suit your env.  Note that the floppy
image has to be *part of* (i.e. a file within) the filesystem you are
writing to the CD!

-

To make a bit for bit copy of a CD it is probably easier to extract
the CD image directly to a file (avoid mkisofs all together):

   dd if=/dev/cdrom of=image.iso

then cdrecord image.iso directly.  You can test to see if your dd
worked correctly with:

   mount image.iso -r -t iso9660 -o loop /mnt/iso

This lets you browse (but not change) the image before you burn a CD.

duane

[expert] SMB with Konqueror trying to access Windows NT 4.0 shares

[michael schmidt]

I have a small problem and I believe it has to do with Konqueror.

I can see a list of my Windows NT shares in Konqueror but when I try to 
access them Konqueror shows an error dialog:

"The file or directory smb:/SCHMIDT/DIMENSION/H does not exist"

SCHMIDT = Workgroup
DIMENSION = Workstation
H = Share name

I know my SMB is setup correctly. I can mount the shares using

mount -t smbfs ...

I can also use XSMBrowser to browse the shares, but I would like to be able 
to browse with Konqueror.

I also have the same username and password on both the Linux and NT box.

Additional note: I am using LM 7.2 with KDE 2.1beta1

Thanks for any help,

- mike

Re: [expert] 320 MB kcore file

[Kelley Terry]

On Tuesday 02 January 2001 08:30 am, you wrote:
> Kelley Terry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > while compiling a kde application the compiler created a 320 MByte
> > /proc/kcore file.  It filled up my hard drive and then crashed.  How can
> > I reset this file to a small size or remove it?
>
> Having said all that just a moment ago about /proc - now lets look
> at your real problem - your compile died.
>
> How much free space do you have on your partitions before the compile?
> (And how many partitions...)Which partition(s) ran out of room?
> (using df)

You're both right.  I just forgot what the proc directory was for.  What 
happened was two files were created at the crash both the same size.  The 
compiler came up with a message about no memory left.  I assumed (oops) the 
other was also on my hard drive.

Re: [expert] problems with network

[Tib]

Problem solved. Only thing I can figure is that something was blocking
everything but icmp, and I have no idea what it was, the setup mysteriously
started working this morning. Sorry for the fuss. Still as baffled as ever
though.


Tib

On Tue, 2 Jan 2001, Rusty Carruth wrote:

> Tib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Ok! here's some fun that's been causing me to lose my hair in chunks because
> > I've been ripping it out. ... I've shut down and brought up the network,
> > re-added routes the way they were before, and overall exhausted my brain with
> > this problem, can someone help please???
> 
> strange.
> 
> Well, what does
> 
>   ipchains -L -n -v -x
> 
> say?
> 
> rc
> 
> 
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> Ham: N7IKQ @ 146.82+,pl 162.2 Tempe, AZ 85284-1825
> 

[expert] pain in the arse?

[SIR admin]

it's interesting that folks are claiming that 7.1 worked better than 7.2.
granted bugs are found...but shouldn't a later release be MORE stable, not
LESS?  good point about some folks just have to get work DONE.  :P

i thought that stable versions are even numbered after the decimal, and
production was odd numbered after the decimal.  i just thought i read that
somewhere.

while i'm here...does anyone know how i can install the program that queries
servers for updates.  it's usually in drakconf, but with high security
settings, it's not.

it'd save me a BUNDLE of time.

thanks!
matthew

Re: [expert] Read/Write permissions on a VFAT partition

[Ron Stodden]

"Himebaugh, Jon, CON, OASD(HA)/TMA" wrote:
> 
> I have a vfat partition (win98) mounted but cannot seem to get permissions
> to write to it.
> 
> Would someone please give me a hint how to do this?

The user that did the mount is the only one with write access.

-- 
Regards,

Ron. [AU]

Re: [expert] Netmeeting and ip masquerading

[Amit Bapat]

Look here:
http://www.coritel.it/projects/sofia/nat.html

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Subject: [expert] Netmeeting and ip masquerading
Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 12:57:25 -

Hi,

Does anyone know if it is possible to use Microsoft Netmeeting through a
linux box using IP masquerading. Chat works but talk and video don't


Thanks
Iain

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Re: [expert] Q. Media Performance Sound Server Tuning

[duane voth]

Tony K.Olsen wrote:

 > Q. I have been trying to get Mandrake 7.2 to play mp3 files (with either
 > xmms or kaiman) without suffering noticeable hiccups as I open other windows
 > or even delete an email from KMail but I have yet been unable to do so.

I got sound hiccups by simply moving the mouse around alot. But after
upgrading to the 2.2.18 kernel from http://www.kernel.org the problem has
gone away. There were also a number of momentary Xserver freezes that
went away with 2.2.18 - seems the 2.2.17-21mdk has some kernel lock issues.

Hand merging the kernel .config files however was not a lot of fun.
I hope mandrake puts together a 2.2.18 upgrade RPM soon (hint hint).

duane

Re: [expert] Printer Problem - Step2

[mcoady]

Tony,

Did as you suggested. 

# ps -aux |grep lpd

root   255  0.0  0.5  1144  536 ?S12:20   0:00 lpd

root   550  0.0  0.5  1308  500 pts/0S12:23   0:00 grep lpd

Ran DrakConf. The lpd button was already clicked on.

I noticed that in the /etc/rc.d/init.d directory there is a lock file. Is that in your 
directory too?
>From reading the /etc/rc.d/init.d/lpd text file, I conclude that a lock file is put 
>in once printing begins, but is removed when the process ends. Is that your 
>understanding?


Michael Coady 

>   You aren't running the line printer daemon, lpd, which handles the print 
> jobs. In my current configuration with just the parallel printer I mentioned 
> earlier I run both the cupsd and the lpd daemons.
> 
>   Do a 'ps -aux | grep lpd' and 'ps -aux | grep cupsd' to see if they are 
> running as processes on your machine.  
> 
> [root@mypc tko]# ps -aux |grep lpd
> root   663  0.0  0.2  1440  608 ?S18:14   0:00 lpd
> root  1403  0.0  0.2  1456  540 ttyp5S20:41   0:00 grep lpd
> [root@mypc tko]# ps -aux |grep cupsd
> root   650  0.0  0.9  4748 2472 ?S18:14   0:04 cupsd
> root  1405  0.0  0.2  1456  540 ttyp5S20:41   0:00 grep cupsd
> 
> 
> 
> If not then you can start them manually but normally they are started from 
> the /etc/rc.d/init.d directory which is setup by the DrakConf. 
> 
>   Run DrakConf and choose Startup Services from the menu and then select them 
> (cups, lpd) from the window and choose OK.  This will start them 
> automatically on the next reboot.

[expert] Disappearing Gnome

[John W]

 I tried to reply to this thread last week but I guess only one of three of 
my posts actually makes it to the list...
At any rate try this to fix your GDM problem;

as root: chmod +x /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions/Gnome
Also add that command to the bottom of /etc/rc.local.
-- 
John Wheat

RE: [expert] Read/Write permissions on a VFAT partition

[Klar Brian D Contr MSG SICN]

umask=0

-Original Message-
From: Himebaugh, Jon, CON, OASD(HA)/TMA
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 11:27 AM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: [expert] Read/Write permissions on a VFAT partition


I have a vfat partition (win98) mounted but cannot seem to get permissions
to write to it.

Would someone please give me a hint how to do this?

Jon H.

[expert] kernel-2.4 hdd errors

[civileme]

OK

The story is--we haven't patched the 2.4 kernel with anything that would 
affect IDE, or with anything else for that matter.  You were using a plain 
vanilla compile for 2.4.

And a udma2 rated disk from a reputable manufacturer was showing an echo 
bounce on a signal gating line  and line errors.

The one thing I would ask of you before I report this to linux-ide.org is to 
change the cable if you can.  It might be signal noise from an overflexed 
cable showing up in the new drivers.   Please report if you are able to do 
this.

Civileme

Re: Re[2]: [expert] Critical problem

[complaw]

> civileme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > ...
> > > Fortunately, I got rattled and was able to make a backup of all the
> > > data.  Now the PC won't boot.  It had been having trouble in the boot
> > > process, reverting to level 3 and not starting X (as it should have).
> > > It was from the command line that I was able to back up my files.  Now,
> > > she won't boot, even from the boot floppy.
> > >
> > > Does anyone know what the problem could be?
> 
> Some people suggested software fixes.
> 
> however, I'm a leaning pretty heavily toward Civileme's judgement
> that (after the software problem) you have a hardware failure.
> 
> When in the 'boot from boot floppy' process does it fail?

Just like it does from the hard disk, immediately after the LILO selection is
made.

Ron
 ./.

Re: [expert] RPM 4 nightmare, Updating ?

[Eric MC.D]

Have also 7.1mdk installed, rpm-3.0.5.27 and menu 2.1.5-29.
Did a --nodeps and the rpm works.
But have troubles with 'menu', so don't utilize it,
but MUST be installed ( kde uitilize 'menu')
Eric MC



Julián Muñoz Domínguez wrote:
> 
> Thank you Onur,
> 
> the problema is that I have Mandrake 7.1, and I can't upgrade at this
> moment.
> 
> Last week I dowloaded rpm-3.0.5-27mdk, the one which comes with 7.2:
> 
>  rpm -Uvh rpm-3.0.5-27mdk.i586.rpm
> error: failed dependencies:
> libbz2.so.1 is needed by rpm-3.0.5-27mdk
> menu < 2.1.5-29mdk conflicts with rpm-3.0.5-27mdk
> 
> I think that the new rpm should not force us to upgrade the entire
> distribution...
> 
> --
> 
>   __o
> _ \<_
>(_)/(_)
> 
> Saludos de Julián
> EA4ACL
> -.-

Re: Re[2]: [expert] windows discovered me

[Mark Hillary]

You can add the Mandrake version of lilo to a Redhat system. Download the
src.rpm from a mandrake mirror (might as well get the cooker version). Then
make the rpm using rpm --rebuild blah.src.rpm. Then istall it. You can be
sure this will work as mandrake may have things setup differently from
redhat. The best way of doing it is to go and get the source from the lilo
website and compile and install this.

you can download it from here
http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/system/boot/lilo/

Mark Hillary
- Original Message -
From: "Rusty Carruth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 3:55 PM
Subject: Re[2]: [expert] windows discovered me


> "Aric S. Bergren" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > windows on my system has access to c,d,and,e drives normally, and all of
the
> > rest of my hard drive space is for linux, so i know it must be a linux
> > formated area...sectorwise, it is located between win c and the normal
win d
> > on the drivei had to do that because of the 1024th sector thing (its
a
> > red hat 7 system and still has this limitation)...it worked fine for a
> > while, and then during the time when i was attempting to mount windows
> > drives in linux, it was detected, given a new drive letter d, and the
old d
> > and e were moved to where they are now (e and f)...also, i was only able
to
>
> strange that it should happen during mounting dos in linux.
>
> But, what does fdisk -l /dev/hda say?  Are the partition types correct for
> what's actually in the partitions?
>
> Note that you can (carefully ;-) change partition types on a live
partition without
> damaging the data in them.   (I've used this to keep drive letters the
same
> between a windows 98 boot and a dos 6.2 boot - but thats a different
story - the
> point being that you can change the system type of a partition without
affecting
> whats in it - just be sure you only change its type code!)
>
> > mount the old windows c and e drives for some reason...mounting d would
not
> > work, and even though according to fdisk, win d should have been hda6,
if i
> > mount that section with an auto format option, it works but is not the
right
> > partition (i see the kernal in there, etc)i wonder if this has
anything
>
> again, this is weird.  What happens if you specify the filesystem type on
> your mount?  (And, btw, where are you tryin to mount these things?)
>
> > to do with it.if i was able to put linux after windows on the drive
and
> > just put the /boot partition before 1023 i wonder if all of the drives
would
> > be mountable and maybe windows wouldn't see linux...otherwise, is there
a
>
> I doubt this would help...
>
> > way to add mandrake 7.2's version of lilo (which does not need to have
the
> > /boot dir before 1024) to a red hat system
>
> Sorry, I cannot help you there. Anyone else?
>
> > (which seems to be more stable
> > than mandrake on this particular system..
>
> I wonder if the 'hard disk optimizations' problems others have mentioned
> here on the list may have something to do with your evaluation that
> M7.2 is less stable than M7.1?  What makes you say its less stable?
>
> > am i making any sense at all
>
> I *think* I understood you - but thats no guarantee! ;-)
>
> > or should i relax for a while and just have many beers?
>
> Relax, have a few, but don't drive! ;-)
>
> Just kidding.  I'm curious to see the output of your fdisk -l and what's
in
> your /etc/fstab (sorry, forgot to mention that before ;-)
>
> rc
>
>
> Rusty Carruth  Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Voice: (480) 345-3621  SnailMail: Schlumberger ATE
> FAX:   (480) 345-8793 7855 S. River Parkway, Suite 116
> Ham: N7IKQ @ 146.82+,pl 162.2 Tempe, AZ 85284-1825
>

Re: Re[2]: [expert] windows discovered me

[Mark Hillary]

- Original Message -
From: "Rusty Carruth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 3:55 PM
Subject: Re[2]: [expert] windows discovered me


> "Aric S. Bergren" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > windows on my system has access to c,d,and,e drives normally, and all of
the
> > rest of my hard drive space is for linux, so i know it must be a linux
> > formated area...sectorwise, it is located between win c and the normal
win d
> > on the drivei had to do that because of the 1024th sector thing (its
a
> > red hat 7 system and still has this limitation)...it worked fine for a
> > while, and then during the time when i was attempting to mount windows
> > drives in linux, it was detected, given a new drive letter d, and the
old d
> > and e were moved to where they are now (e and f)...also, i was only able
to
>
> strange that it should happen during mounting dos in linux.
>
> But, what does fdisk -l /dev/hda say?  Are the partition types correct for
> what's actually in the partitions?
>
> Note that you can (carefully ;-) change partition types on a live
partition without
> damaging the data in them.   (I've used this to keep drive letters the
same
> between a windows 98 boot and a dos 6.2 boot - but thats a different
story - the
> point being that you can change the system type of a partition without
affecting
> whats in it - just be sure you only change its type code!)
>
> > mount the old windows c and e drives for some reason...mounting d would
not
> > work, and even though according to fdisk, win d should have been hda6,
if i
> > mount that section with an auto format option, it works but is not the
right
> > partition (i see the kernal in there, etc)i wonder if this has
anything
>
> again, this is weird.  What happens if you specify the filesystem type on
> your mount?  (And, btw, where are you tryin to mount these things?)
>
> > to do with it.if i was able to put linux after windows on the drive
and
> > just put the /boot partition before 1023 i wonder if all of the drives
would
> > be mountable and maybe windows wouldn't see linux...otherwise, is there
a
>
> I doubt this would help...
>
> > way to add mandrake 7.2's version of lilo (which does not need to have
the
> > /boot dir before 1024) to a red hat system
>
> Sorry, I cannot help you there. Anyone else?
>
> > (which seems to be more stable
> > than mandrake on this particular system..
>
> I wonder if the 'hard disk optimizations' problems others have mentioned
> here on the list may have something to do with your evaluation that
> M7.2 is less stable than M7.1?  What makes you say its less stable?
>
> > am i making any sense at all
>
> I *think* I understood you - but thats no guarantee! ;-)
>
> > or should i relax for a while and just have many beers?
>
> Relax, have a few, but don't drive! ;-)
>
> Just kidding.  I'm curious to see the output of your fdisk -l and what's
in
> your /etc/fstab (sorry, forgot to mention that before ;-)
>
> rc
>
>
> Rusty Carruth  Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Voice: (480) 345-3621  SnailMail: Schlumberger ATE
> FAX:   (480) 345-8793 7855 S. River Parkway, Suite 116
> Ham: N7IKQ @ 146.82+,pl 162.2 Tempe, AZ 85284-1825
>

RE: [expert] problems with network

[Klar Brian D Contr MSG SICN]

I don't know if it is the same or not, but my setup
for my DSL circuit does the same thing. Upon bootup
eth0 fails to get a DHCP address, but in my case
ADSL works great once system is up to terminal/X

Brian

-Original Message-
From: James W.McComas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 10:41 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [expert] problems with network


I am running both RH 7.0 and Mandrake 7.2
RH has no problems.
Mandrake only has one.
When I install it detects and configures my Cable Modem (3Com) correctly and sets the 
DHCP configuration correctly.
When I reboot Mandrake, it fails to initiate and configure the Cable Modem correctly, 
Could not determine DHCP address.
Tried to configure it manualy with the same results.
Any help would be appreciated.

Re: [expert] Firewall....

[Joseph S. Gardner]

"Steven W.Laird" wrote:

> On Friday 29 December 2000 14:49, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > > hi,
> >
> > can anyone recommand a firewall application with a web administration
> > interface?
> >
> > thank's.
>
> Take a look at http://www.e-smith.com
>
> RH based gateway/router/firewall/samba solution that ANYONE can install and
> configure. (Yes, browser based administration as well...)
> --
> Steve

I second the e-smith (sorry Mandrake).  It works well "out ot the box".


--
Joseph S Gardner

Senior Designer / Technical Support
Kirby Co., Cleveland, OH
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

The box said,
"Requires Windows 3.x or better",
so I got Linux.

Registered Linux user #1696600

RE: [expert] Remote X

[Klar Brian D Contr MSG SICN]

KDE I thought had the ability now in 2.x to do sound
over X... I thought that is what the options were
for in Look and Feel --- Sound --- and the network
transparency and all were for. Of course I am 
probably incorrect on this. :)

-Original Message-
From: Mike MacCana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 9:18 AM
To: Jerry Sternesky
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [expert] Remote X


Yes, this is normal. X doesn't handle sound. The Enligtened Sound Daemon 
[or esound] does, however I don't have too much experience with it beyond 
knowing it works.

Mike

--
Mike MacCanaSupport Consultant  
  C Y B E R S O U R C E
   Level 9, 140 Queen St Melbourne 3000
Ph : +61 3 9642 5997 Fax: +61 3 9642 5998

On Tue, 2 Jan 2001, Jerry Sternesky wrote:

> Yesterday I was playing around with running X on MachineA from MachineB.  
> >From MachineA I executed X -quiet -query MachineB.  It connected and gdm came 
> up no problem.  I logged in with kde as my choice.  When the startup wave 
> played the sound came from the speakers in MachineB?  Is this normal, or 
> correct?  If I wanted the sound on machine A is there a way to do this?
> 
> I am toying with the idea of setting one pc to act as a server not only in 
> the traditional sense but to be an xdm server for 2 clients.  What I am 
> hoping to do is have all the programs I want to located on one machine 
> accessable by all clients.  Is this even the right route for that?  Or should 
> I be reading different how-to's?
> 
> Thanks Again,
> 
> Jerry
> 
> 

Re: [expert] Printers & Mandrake 7.2 - afternotes

[Till Kamppeter]

Trevor Farrell wrote:
> 
> I now have the HP950c and can comment:
> 

Have you already tried the "HP DeskJet 900 series, CUPS+GIMP-print v4.0"
driver entry in the printer installation program? This leads probably to
a better quality. At least it supports 600x600 dpi.

   Till

Re: [expert] Hey civileme: MacMillan Update CD Repost Request

[Ken Thompson]

> http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/72last.php3
>
> last article on the page...
>
> If you selected individual packages and did not install conflicting zope
> services or cups AND printpro, you should be OK and not need the additional
> instructions.
>
> Civileme
How do you not install PrintPro using the expert install and LM 7.2 Deluxe?
I finally had to upgrade to the latest cups to even get printing to work. I 
kept getting an "Expired Licence" error in Kups when trying to print.

Re: [expert] MDK 7.0 on an i486 -- With i586 RPMs?

[civileme]

On Tuesday 02 January 2001 15:53, you wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
>
> Originally sent 12/30/00, but I don't think I was properly subscribed
> to the list before... my apologies if this gets posted twice.
>
> Anyway, I am seriously confused about processor-specific versions.
>
> I have Mandrake 7.0-2 (Air) running on an Intel 486 chipset, and it
> works really great (it's a firewall box, so I don't use X Windows).
>
> BUT, when I viewed the mdk webpage showing security updates, most if
> not all are "*mdk.i586.rpm", which implies that they are compiled for
> Pentium-class CPUs.
>
> So I went to the trouble of getting all the *mdk.src.rpm files, and
> tried "rpm --rebuild" to create i486 RPMs.  I got a gcc error, since
> I had forgotten to include a development package or two when I first
> installed Mandrake.
>
> So I looked for it on the CD-ROM.  Then I discover that the RPMs on
> this Mandrake 7.0 "486-compatible" ISO are all i586 versions!
>
> My question is this:  For a 486 66MHz, can I use any *mdk.i586.rpm?
> If not (meaning I have to use *mdk.src.rpm or find *mdk.i386.rpm's),
> then how did Mandrake even install in the first place, if all these
> RPMs on the CD are i586?  Can I expect problems later?  ;)
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> +--+-+
>
> | Jeff Bonner  |  "I tried to have cybersex once, but I got  |
> | [EMAIL PROTECTED] |   a busy signal."   |
>
The kernel is stock and will run on low-level processors, even 386.

The 486 version iso was optimised for 586 but not exclusively so as the main 
distro is.

And if you try to rpm -ivh foo-2.3.96-27mdk.i586.rpm on your 486 you will get 
a message saying package is for a different architecture.  rpm --noarch will 
defeat this and allow the install, but if the run time package makes your 
computer melt into a puddle... You were warned.

Civileme

Re: [expert] Printing with Konqueror & Kmail

[Till Kamppeter]

The not remembering the paper size in the printing dialog of KDE2 is a
known bug which I have already reported on our bug-tracking system
(qa.mandrakesoft.com).

   Till



Robert Barry wrote:
> 
> When I print with Konqueror and Kmail the default is A4.  How do I switch the
> default to Letter?  I looked and looked, but I didn't see how, so I must be
> overlooking something too simple.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Robert

Re: [expert] CUPS printing...

[Till Kamppeter]

Have you already looked at

   http://www.mandrakeuser.org/hardware/#4th

and

   http://www.mandrakeforum.com/mysearch.php3?author=till

Did you do the updates announced on

   http://www.mandrakeforum.com/article.php3?sid=20001221083250
   http://www.mandrakeforum.com/article.php3?sid=20001214090405

Which printer model do you have exactly, how is it connected? Is it
directly at your Linux machine? Or is it connected to a Windoze server?
What driver did you choose? GIMP-Print drivers give the better quality
in most cases. If you use a "cdjXXX" driver, try "Presentation" and not
"Normal" quality.

If all this does not help, send me the files

   /etc/cups/cupsd.conf
   /etc/cups/printers.conf
   /etc/cups/ppd/*.ppd

and the output of the commands "ifconfig" and "lsmod".

   Till


Mark Weaver wrote:
> 
> Hi list,
> 
> 
> I just had an epiphany. CUPS PRINTING SUCKS!!@#Q#$%#!#@!
> 
> I liked the printer support that I had back in Mdk 7.1. It was simple, direct,

Re: [expert] Printing from Star Office on Mandrake 7.2

[Till Kamppeter]

Surf to

   http://www.mandrakeuser.org/hardware/hcups8.html#soffice

   Till



Mark Weaver wrote:
> 
> Hi list,
> 
> As I recall I remember seeing something about this before on the list, but when
> I searched the archives on this subject the search was rather fruitless. I
> wasn't able to come up the information needed to aliviate the problem. The
> problem is that I'm unable to print from Star Office 5.2 on Mdk7.2. I can print
> from most other apps, but this one is still holding out. What's up with this?
> 
> Mark

[expert] Read/Write permissions on a VFAT partition

[Himebaugh, Jon, CON, OASD(HA)/TMA]

I have a vfat partition (win98) mounted but cannot seem to get permissions
to write to it.

Would someone please give me a hint how to do this?

Jon H.

Re[2]: [expert] windows discovered me

[Rusty Carruth]

pgeorges <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Are you really sure this D drive is a linux formated partition. The
> normal behavior of windows is not to see partitions formatted with a
> non-microsoft fs.
> 
as long as fdisk has the partition type set right, anyway, this has
been my experience also - but I've stayed away from the more recent
Windwoes...

rc

Re: [expert] problems with network

[b5dave]

As root try:
# services --status-all
Any Chain input will be listed. And if you see a line that says "USAGE: 
pmfirewall [command]" then your uninstall didn't work. If you need to
manualy uninstall, you'll find it under /usr/local/pmfirewall, as well as
references in your rc scripts:
#grep -i -r pmfirewall /etc/rc*
I use it with a ppp connection so it is started in /etc/ppp/ip-up.local.
With eth0 I figure it would just be started in /etc/rc*, but I could be
wrong about that.

If it is indeed running, it must be misconfigured. I remember there
being options for a gateway, as well a specific IP's to allow. I don't
have a network, so I can't help you there.I've had great success with the
program however.

Good luck.
Dave.

On 02-Jan-2001 Tib wrote:
> I stopped it, uninstalled it, and flushed all the ipchains rules. It
> /should/
> be a clean setup again like I had before. But still it acts like I said
> before: only icmp gets forwarded through it and data in general is
> extremely
> slow.
> 
> 
> Tib
> 
> 
> On Wed, 3 Jan 2001, Mike MacCana wrote:
> 
>> You can stop pmfirewall when its installed by running
>> 
>> service pmfirewall stop
>> 
>> Which clears the rules and set them to deny. Did you read the 
>> documentation fully? Its a neat utility, so don't give up on it yet.
>> 
>> If you must use ipchains directly, then...
>> 
>>  ipchains -F input
>>  ipchains -F output
>>  ipchains -F forward 
>> 
>> Wil do the trick...
>> 
>> Mike
>> 
>> --
>> Mike MacCana Support Consultant  
>>   C Y B E R S O U R C E
>>Level 9, 140 Queen St Melbourne 3000
>> Ph : +61 3 9642 5997 Fax: +61 3 9642 5998
>> 
>> On Tue, 2 Jan 2001, Tib wrote:
>> 
>> > Ok! here's some fun that's been causing me to lose my hair in chunks
>> > because
>> > I've been ripping it out. I checked out PMFirewall as someone
>> > mentioned, and
>> > had initially set it up. Everything seemed fine. However, even though
>> > I ran
>> > ipchains -L and it said there were no rules in place, it seems that
>> > NOTHING but
>> > icmp packets are allowed through the network anymore. I've smashed my
>> > head
>> > against my route table and other things but I just can't figure it
>> > out. Nothing
>> > gets forwarded but icmp, everything else is no route to host (from
>> > the machines
>> > inside the network that would use the address for eth0 as a gateway),
>> > furthermore, it would seem that eth0's performance has been
>> > compromised as well
>> > for some strange reason, data throughput of ANY kind is extremely
>> > slow even
>> > though pingtimes are fantastic. I uninstalled pmfirewall and backed
>> > out every
>> > other change I can think of, I've shut down and brought up the
>> > network,
>> > re-added routes the way they were before, and overall exhausted my
>> > brain with
>> > this problem, can someone help please???
>> > 
>> > 
>> > Tib
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> 

Re[2]: [expert] tv software

[Rusty Carruth]

Traci Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Rusty Carruth wrote:
> > 
> > Has anyone tried using VMWare to boot one of those 'other' OS's
> > and making it so that other os could fiddle with the tv inputs
> > and outputs?  (Probably won't work, but its a thought...)
> 
> VMware works with whatever installed hardware your Linux system
> recognizes. If Linux doesn't recognize the hardware then VMware can't
> virtualize it.

Well, yes, but I thought (from my quick reading of the VMware stuff, anyway)
that you could allow windows to access certain hardware directly.  I musta
been reading too quickly ;-)

rc

Re[2]: [expert] Critical problem

[Rusty Carruth]

civileme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ...
> > Fortunately, I got rattled and was able to make a backup of all the
> > data.  Now the PC won't boot.  It had been having trouble in the boot
> > process, reverting to level 3 and not starting X (as it should have).
> > It was from the command line that I was able to back up my files.  Now,
> > she won't boot, even from the boot floppy.
> >
> > Does anyone know what the problem could be?

Some people suggested software fixes.

however, I'm a leaning pretty heavily toward Civileme's judgement
that (after the software problem) you have a hardware failure.

When in the 'boot from boot floppy' process does it fail?

rc


Rusty Carruth  Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Voice: (480) 345-3621  SnailMail: Schlumberger ATE
FAX:   (480) 345-8793 7855 S. River Parkway, Suite 116
Ham: N7IKQ @ 146.82+,pl 162.2 Tempe, AZ 85284-1825

Re: [expert] Passing User Execution to Root

[Rusty Carruth]

SoloCDM <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Is it possible to pass an executed program over to the super-user
> from a user?  I tried nohup and the ampersand in X as a user,
> but once the terminal closes -- the command terminates.

Um, what exactly are you trying to do?

Run the program as user 'a' and pass the output to another program
being run as the super user?

Are you wanting ANY user 'x' to be able to do this, or only people
who are able to become root anyway?

Is the task being done by the root process 'dangerous' in any way?
(i.e. do you only want certain people to be able to do this)
Or is it ok to just have a mail processor handling the output?

The really short answer (making lots of assumptions!) is:

either use a pipe that feeds your root task (and has permissions
set as needed) or have a mail handler that passes the output to
the root task (again, with whatever tests you need for security).

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Re: [expert] Off Topic - Help needed with multiple tape cpio failure and RH v6.2!

[Rusty Carruth]

"Lars Nordin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> This is the command line I use to backup the fs
> find ... | cpio -o -C 65536 - H newc -O /dev/st0
> 
> and here is my verify:
> cpio -ivt -C 65536 -H newc -I /dev/st0
> 
> 
> My next step is to look for a different controller to connect it to - it is
> currently connected to a Adaptec 1542CF via the external interface.

Don't think that's your problem.  I had a similar problem (using tar, I think)
that required that I inform the saving process of the maximum size that could
be written on the tape.  If I let it 'auto-detect' the end of tape then the
reader process could not get to the 2nd tape!

Ah, there it is, in man tar - '-L' or '--tape-length N'.  Looks like CPIO
does not have that option (from my quick perusal of 'man cpio').

Anyone else know of how to get cpio to do the right thing here?

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Re: [expert] For all of you with "One BIG anoying Pain in the A**"

[Larry Marshall]

> > Then I got tired of it and started to build a new system, what is
> > becoming better and better and still keeps every changes I made in
> > the configuration files, upgrades etc. I am still going for the
> > greatest and latest to try. But I have now two identical system, and

Good advice Victor, if you want to learn Linux but I think you missed
the point of Mark's rant.  He's not trying to run beta this or that,
he's trying to run what shakes out of the box of VERSION 7.2 of Linux
Mandrake.  By version 7 of anything things like print services should
be stable, period.  This is especially true if the features have been
stable through the previous few versions and no increased facility is
being provided by the change.

Learning about Linux is fun, playing with bleeding edge software is
nice.  But at some point most people have to get work done.  If you're
going to convince your buddies to try it (remember the World
Domination theme of the Linux movement) and they're not computer geeks
you have to have something that they can use without going through
what you're talking about.  How does it sound to say 

"Well, I'll give you version 7.1 of LM as it's pretty stable.  You
won't be able to use the nice stuff I've mentioned in the new version
of GIMP and you won't have any of these nice windows I have in
KDE2.1.  I'm sorry, no, we'll have to update your Netscape so that
4.73 doesn't bleed memory all over the place and no, pppoe isn't built
into 7.1 but we can easily get what you need and install it.  Oh sure,
once Mandrake gets its 7.2 installer sorted out, all this other stuff
stabilized, and I figure out how to get CUPS to reliably print we
might be able to make a run at installing this newer stuff on your
system."

Kinda takes the wind out of the sails of "Linux is more stable than
Windows" doesn't it?  How do you answer these people when they say
"But 7.2 is available in a store; can it really be that bad?"

I don't envy the job that companies like Mandrake have but they're
making these decisions based on short term marketing, not in order to
stabilize their products.  The CUPS change wasn't positive and I've
yet to read anything to suggest that anyone thinks it was, except for
maybe the author and Mandrake.  Why was it done in the midst of
struggling to deal with a major leap in the KDE interface, with
KOffice being dumped into the mix and a changing file system?  Mark's
point, and mine, is that some of Linux above the kernel level needs to
remain stable for some period of time and change for change sake might
fit a geek-development mindset but it doesn't create commercial
products.

There's an interesting thing about the Linux dynamic.  Linus Torvalds
and others talk about how the open source concept causes rapid change
and that approval for features come from the users.  If something is
popular in one distro it becomes part of all of them very quickly is
the chant.  What seems to be missing from the equation presented is
that the distros are adders and changers; they rarely subtract or
stabilize.  

Once everyone in the community proclaims that this or that application
doesn't work worth a darn, where is the compulsion to remove it from
the system.  Once the world proclaims that they like their Linux "like
this" and all the distros become the same, what do the distro people
do to set themselves apart and provide the box art people with fodder
for selling their product?  They change it, that's what and this is
the dilemma we have right now.  Red Hat has just done this with their
v7.0 upgrade.  They provided some improved functionality but most of
what got added/changed makes 6.2 worse as 6.2 was very stable, the
tools that came with it worked, and Red Hat hasn't yet made the KDE2.0
plunge.  In short, as long as distro people are driven by marketing
(and what else would drive them?) they will be adders/changers, not
subtracters/stabilizers that's a fundamental problem in my view.

BTW, the only thing that has allowed me to run v7.2 of Mandrake was
climbing out a bit on that bleeding edge and getting a stable version
of KDE.  Do you really think Walmart operating system purchasers
will/should_have_to do this?  

Cheers --- Larry

Re: [expert] ipchains daemon

[Rusty Carruth]

Stefan Srdic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I noticed the nice ipchains script in the init.d directory. It's
> supposed to read a ruleset and activate or deactivate ipchains whenever
> you switch runlevels.
> 
> I want to make that script read my current firewall/masq'ing script. I
> noticed how the ipchains script in /etc/rc.d/init.d allows you to point
> out your current ruleset. I tried to use my current ipchains script but
> always get the following error:
> 
> [root@edtn007632 init.d]# ./ipchains start
> Flushing all current rules and user defined chains:[  OK  ]
> Clearing all current rules and user defined chains:[  OK  ]
> Applying ipchains firewall rules: Try `/sbin/ipchains -h' or
> '/sbin/ipchains --help' for more information.
> ipchains command echo -n "Configuring packet filtering policies... "
> failed
> This is /sbin/ipchains-restore v1.1.2
> If this is the latest version of ipchains-restore, and the input
> was created using the latest version of ipchains-save, then I'd
> really appreciate a bug report. Please send the input you used,
> and all the output from this program to the author,
> `[EMAIL PROTECTED]' with `BUG-REPORT' in the subject
> line so I know to read the message.
> 
> I could'nt find any documentation on this ipchains script, am I using a
> wrong format to define my IP rules?
> 
> Stef
> 

(I don't usually leave all the text in my reply, but this time I will...)

I'd guess that the ipchains script in the init.d directory is trying to
use the results of the 'save ruleset' option (Sorry, I cannot find it
in the ipchains man page, must have been in one of the howtos!), not
an actual script.  I cannot find any more ... wait, there it is - 
ipchains-save and ipchains-restore.  They are scripts, see the
ipchains-howto for more info...

So, now that I've wandered around the map, here's the point:

I don't have a nice ipchains script in my init.d dir, so will have to
ask - does it use ipchains-restore?  If so, then you'll have to save
the state of your ipchains with ipchains-save.

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Re: [expert] problems with network

[Rusty Carruth]

Tib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ok! here's some fun that's been causing me to lose my hair in chunks because
> I've been ripping it out. ... I've shut down and brought up the network,
> re-added routes the way they were before, and overall exhausted my brain with
> this problem, can someone help please???

strange.

Well, what does

  ipchains -L -n -v -x

say?

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Re: [expert] problems with network

[James W . McComas]

I am running both RH 7.0 and Mandrake 7.2
RH has no problems.
Mandrake only has one.
When I install it detects and configures my Cable Modem (3Com) correctly and sets the 
DHCP configuration correctly.
When I reboot Mandrake, it fails to initiate and configure the Cable Modem correctly, 
Could not determine DHCP address.
Tried to configure it manualy with the same results.
Any help would be appreciated.

[expert] MDK 7.0 on an i486 -- With i586 RPMs?

[Jeff Bonner]

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Originally sent 12/30/00, but I don't think I was properly subscribed
to the list before... my apologies if this gets posted twice.

Anyway, I am seriously confused about processor-specific versions.

I have Mandrake 7.0-2 (Air) running on an Intel 486 chipset, and it
works really great (it's a firewall box, so I don't use X Windows).

BUT, when I viewed the mdk webpage showing security updates, most if
not all are "*mdk.i586.rpm", which implies that they are compiled for
Pentium-class CPUs.

So I went to the trouble of getting all the *mdk.src.rpm files, and
tried "rpm --rebuild" to create i486 RPMs.  I got a gcc error, since
I had forgotten to include a development package or two when I first
installed Mandrake.

So I looked for it on the CD-ROM.  Then I discover that the RPMs on
this Mandrake 7.0 "486-compatible" ISO are all i586 versions!

My question is this:  For a 486 66MHz, can I use any *mdk.i586.rpm? 
If not (meaning I have to use *mdk.src.rpm or find *mdk.i386.rpm's),
then how did Mandrake even install in the first place, if all these
RPMs on the CD are i586?  Can I expect problems later?  ;)

Thanks in advance.

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Re[2]: [expert] windows discovered me

[Rusty Carruth]

"Aric S. Bergren" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> windows on my system has access to c,d,and,e drives normally, and all of the
> rest of my hard drive space is for linux, so i know it must be a linux
> formated area...sectorwise, it is located between win c and the normal win d
> on the drivei had to do that because of the 1024th sector thing (its a
> red hat 7 system and still has this limitation)...it worked fine for a
> while, and then during the time when i was attempting to mount windows
> drives in linux, it was detected, given a new drive letter d, and the old d
> and e were moved to where they are now (e and f)...also, i was only able to

strange that it should happen during mounting dos in linux.

But, what does fdisk -l /dev/hda say?  Are the partition types correct for
what's actually in the partitions?

Note that you can (carefully ;-) change partition types on a live partition without 
damaging the data in them.   (I've used this to keep drive letters the same
between a windows 98 boot and a dos 6.2 boot - but thats a different story - the
point being that you can change the system type of a partition without affecting
whats in it - just be sure you only change its type code!)

> mount the old windows c and e drives for some reason...mounting d would not
> work, and even though according to fdisk, win d should have been hda6, if i
> mount that section with an auto format option, it works but is not the right
> partition (i see the kernal in there, etc)i wonder if this has anything

again, this is weird.  What happens if you specify the filesystem type on
your mount?  (And, btw, where are you tryin to mount these things?)

> to do with it.if i was able to put linux after windows on the drive and
> just put the /boot partition before 1023 i wonder if all of the drives would
> be mountable and maybe windows wouldn't see linux...otherwise, is there a

I doubt this would help...

> way to add mandrake 7.2's version of lilo (which does not need to have the
> /boot dir before 1024) to a red hat system 

Sorry, I cannot help you there. Anyone else?

> (which seems to be more stable
> than mandrake on this particular system..

I wonder if the 'hard disk optimizations' problems others have mentioned
here on the list may have something to do with your evaluation that
M7.2 is less stable than M7.1?  What makes you say its less stable?

> am i making any sense at all 

I *think* I understood you - but thats no guarantee! ;-)

> or should i relax for a while and just have many beers?

Relax, have a few, but don't drive! ;-)

Just kidding.  I'm curious to see the output of your fdisk -l and what's in 
your /etc/fstab (sorry, forgot to mention that before ;-)

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Re: [expert] 320 MB kcore file

[Rusty Carruth]

Kelley Terry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> while compiling a kde application the compiler created a 320 MByte 
> /proc/kcore file.  It filled up my hard drive and then crashed.  How can I 
> reset this file to a small size or remove it?  
> 
Having said all that just a moment ago about /proc - now lets look
at your real problem - your compile died.

How much free space do you have on your partitions before the compile?
(And how many partitions...)Which partition(s) ran out of room?
(using df)

(With 320 meg of ram I will ASSUME that you 1 - have a swap partition
and 2 - did not use it during the compile.  If either of
these ASSumptions are wrong then you may have the reason for
your explosion right there)

rc


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Re[2]: [expert] 320 MB kcore file

[Rusty Carruth]

"Mark Hillary" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have that file to, it was there before I complied anything.Plus the file
> doesn't really take up any space as the proc file system is a kernel file
> system as in none of the files are there when you ask the kernel to look at
> one it creates it then and destroys it when you are finished. Also it think
> the file is a representation of you system memory. Do you have 320Mb by
> chance.
> 
> So all in all don't worry about this file as it is not really there.
> 
> Mark Hillary
> - Original Message -
> From: "Kelley Terry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> > while compiling a kde application the compiler created a 320 MByte
> > /proc/kcore file.  It filled up my hard drive and then crashed.  How can I
> > reset this file to a small size or remove it?

As Mark said - /proc/kcore is an 'imaginary file'.

Huh?

Everything in /proc is supplied from the system, and is not actually
resident on the disk.  (to verify this, do 'du -sk /proc' ;-)
And /proc/kcore is 'kernel core' ('core' is sort of an alias for 'memory',
sorta.  Us old-timers remember what core REALLY is/was ;-) - or, put
yet another way - /proc/kcore is a snapshot of your RAM.  (I say 'snapshot'
rather than 'view into' because updates to /proc/kcore may happen some
time AFTER the memory actually changes).  Writing to it is a really
bad idea, by the way.  And, as Mark says, /proc/kcore should be exactly
the same size as your RAM.

There are lots of other useful files in /proc also, like /proc/interrupts
which tells you which interrupts are set up, and /proc/net/netstat.  

'man proc' will do an even better job of describing what's there!

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Re: [expert] Critical problem (Not a Hardware Problem)

[complaw]

As it turned out, the telnet issues was a prelude to much bigger problems. 
Although one meber of this list thought it was a hardware problem.  Another was
correct in saying that it wasn't.  However, the problem has emerged (morphed)
into something more serious.

The PC won't boot now.  Fortunately, I backed up my work and went looking for
the problem.  Here is what I observed:

This problem came up within 24 hours of performing a complete system update from
one of the Mandrake mirrors.  However, this may be a coincidence.

When I booted the machine, the LILO dialog screen came up as usual.  If I
selected the standard "linux" or just let the default do the work, the same
result:  An immediate reboot.  LILO dialog comes up, default, reboot.  The cycle
continued.

Not having a working box, I performed an experiment.  This is what I did (with
attendant results):

1. Performed a complete reinstall of Mandrake 7.2 (from scratch, including
reformatting the hard disk (I wanted to get rid of CUPS anyway)).  Result: 
Exact same problem, LILO, select, reboot.

2. Next, I switched distributions and loaded Debian 2.2r1 onto the box.  It ran
just fine.  No memory problems, no hard disk problems, nothing out of the
ordinary.

3. Next, tried loading Mandrake 7.2 back on.  Exact same problem!  LILO, select,
reboot cycle.  Moreover, I tried to load from a boot floppy.  Same problem!

4. Next, I switched yet again to RedHat 6.2.  Same result as Debian.  Normal
install and stable performance.

Here is the configuration:

Compaq Professional Workstation 8000
Dual Pentium Pro (200 MHz)
128 MB ECC RAM
two 4 GB Segate SCSI HD's (no RAID).
Voodoo3 2000 PCI video card.

The odd thing is that Mandrake ran stable for several weeks before failure
(albeit just after a major update).  However, if it was something with the
update, the reinstall should have cleared it up -- but it didn't.

I plan to do some more troubleshooting tonight.  I will first try to reload
Mandrake, only this time I will specify GRUB in lieu of LILO.

Next, I will load Mandrake 7.1 and see if I can narrow the problem down to 7.2.

One last thing, since this is an SMP system, and I have to recompile the kernel
for SMP (and I'm not sure about RH 6.2), I will first check out SMP enablement
in RH 6.2 and, if necessary, recompile the kernel for SMP and reboot to see
whether that is causing the problem.  Note, however, that upon boot both
processors are initialized (as normal) so I don't think that SMP is a problem.

Any other suggestions?

TIA,

Ron
 ./.



> I think what you're seeing is output from the "mon" service which checks 
> whether particular services are available. If it finds, for instance, that 
> telnet isn't responding (i.e., you've turned off that service), then it 
> reports a "critical" error. Check "man mon" for details.
> 
> You could turn off "mon" in your startup services. Unless you're operating a 
> server, you perhaps don't need what it does. That seems preferable to me over 
> tuning on services like telnet which are dicey from the security standpoint.
> 
> M.
> 
> On Monday 01 January 2001 15:15, you wrote:
> > Eh, actually I've seen this myself.
> >
> > It was NOT a hardware problem at all.
> >
> > Rather one of the local services was not "turned on" during installation.
> >
> > I went thru the services list and turned on several daemons and installed
> > the appropriate RPM's for Telnet, etc.
> >
> > Afterwards the message disappeared on the next reboot.
> >
> > It seems to be related to networking setup and affected the X server as
> > well... apparently having something to do with authentication.
> >
> > I'm sorry for not being more specific, but the problem went away so quickly
> > after this that I did not dig any deeper...
> >
> > -JMS
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of civileme
> > Sent: Monday, January 01, 2001 12:35 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: [expert] Critical problem
> >
> > On Monday 01 January 2001 17:44, you wrote:
> > > Hi:
> > >
> > > I had hoped never to see this, but I got the following message (when
> > > logged on as root):
> > >
> > >  mon[1256]: failure for servers telnet 978304853 localhost
> > >
> > > does anyone know what this means.
> >
> > Well, it sounds like Christmas was a little early for the new hardware you
> > will need.  Most likely it is memory, but it might be HDD.
> >
> > Civileme
> >
> > > Fortunately, I got rattled and was able to make a backup of all the
> > > data.  Now the PC won't boot.  It had been having trouble in the boot
> > > process, reverting to level 3 and not starting X (as it should have).
> > > It was from the command line that I was able to back up my files.  Now,
> > > she won't boot, even from the boot floppy.
> > >
> > > Does anyone know what the problem could be?
> > >
> > > Ron
> > >  ./.
> 
> -- 
> Michael O'Henly
> TENZO Design
> 
> 

Re: [expert] Mandrake Update link and Zope

[Jean-loup Gailly]

> Well, the install from the CD and using MU would NOT work since that
> is how I got into this mess in the first place.

The 7.2 install lets you install conflicting packages without
warning; this is a bug. MandrakeUpdate correctly detects the
conflict later. You can get out of this mess by using rmpdrake
(or rpm) to remove the conflicting packages.

> Are these two alternative packages that do the same thing and you
> would normally chose one or the other when you use the package?

That's right. You should have on or the other, but not both.
If you have both by accident, remove one or the other manually.

Jean-loup

Re: [expert] Remote X

[Mike MacCana]

Yes, this is normal. X doesn't handle sound. The Enligtened Sound Daemon 
[or esound] does, however I don't have too much experience with it beyond 
knowing it works.

Mike

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On Tue, 2 Jan 2001, Jerry Sternesky wrote:

> Yesterday I was playing around with running X on MachineA from MachineB.  
> >From MachineA I executed X -quiet -query MachineB.  It connected and gdm came 
> up no problem.  I logged in with kde as my choice.  When the startup wave 
> played the sound came from the speakers in MachineB?  Is this normal, or 
> correct?  If I wanted the sound on machine A is there a way to do this?
> 
> I am toying with the idea of setting one pc to act as a server not only in 
> the traditional sense but to be an xdm server for 2 clients.  What I am 
> hoping to do is have all the programs I want to located on one machine 
> accessable by all clients.  Is this even the right route for that?  Or should 
> I be reading different how-to's?
> 
> Thanks Again,
> 
> Jerry
> 
> 

Re: [expert] Firewall....

[Denis HAVLIK]

On Sat, 30 Dec 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

:~>hi,
:~>
:~>can anyone recommand a firewall application with a web administration interface?
:~>
:~>thank's.

Not yet, but in a month or so... See here:

http://www.mandrakeforum.com/article.php3?sid=20001228025051

have fun!

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Re: [expert] Setting to ?

[Mike MacCana]

Search www.rpmfind.net for xkeycaps, a keyboard remapping program...

It doesn't seem to work under my KDE2, btw, so if you can't access the 
right-click menus, try another WM.

Speaking of which, does anyone know how to make my Windows key activate 
the kbutton?

Mike

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On Tue, 2 Jan 2001, Alexander Skwar wrote:

> Hello!
> 
> I've installed sawfish-0.34-3mdk and XFree86-4.0.2-1mdk on a cooker
> installation.  Before I used a pre-7.2 cooker.  After I installed
> everything, the left ALT key is mapped to ALT.  For XEmacs I need a META
> key.  How can I redefine ALT so, that it acts like META?
> 
> Thx,
> 
> Alexander Skwar
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Re: [expert] problems with network

[Tib]

I stopped it, uninstalled it, and flushed all the ipchains rules. It /should/
be a clean setup again like I had before. But still it acts like I said
before: only icmp gets forwarded through it and data in general is extremely
slow.


Tib


On Wed, 3 Jan 2001, Mike MacCana wrote:

> You can stop pmfirewall when its installed by running
> 
> service pmfirewall stop
> 
> Which clears the rules and set them to deny. Did you read the 
> documentation fully? Its a neat utility, so don't give up on it yet.
> 
> If you must use ipchains directly, then...
> 
>  ipchains -F input
>  ipchains -F output
>  ipchains -F forward 
> 
> Wil do the trick...
> 
> Mike
> 
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> 
> On Tue, 2 Jan 2001, Tib wrote:
> 
> > Ok! here's some fun that's been causing me to lose my hair in chunks because
> > I've been ripping it out. I checked out PMFirewall as someone mentioned, and
> > had initially set it up. Everything seemed fine. However, even though I ran
> > ipchains -L and it said there were no rules in place, it seems that NOTHING but
> > icmp packets are allowed through the network anymore. I've smashed my head
> > against my route table and other things but I just can't figure it out. Nothing
> > gets forwarded but icmp, everything else is no route to host (from the machines
> > inside the network that would use the address for eth0 as a gateway),
> > furthermore, it would seem that eth0's performance has been compromised as well
> > for some strange reason, data throughput of ANY kind is extremely slow even
> > though pingtimes are fantastic. I uninstalled pmfirewall and backed out every
> > other change I can think of, I've shut down and brought up the network,
> > re-added routes the way they were before, and overall exhausted my brain with
> > this problem, can someone help please???
> > 
> > 
> > Tib
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 

Re: [expert] problems with network

[Mike MacCana]

You can stop pmfirewall when its installed by running

service pmfirewall stop

Which clears the rules and set them to deny. Did you read the 
documentation fully? Its a neat utility, so don't give up on it yet.

If you must use ipchains directly, then...

 ipchains -F input
 ipchains -F output
 ipchains -F forward 

Wil do the trick...

Mike

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  C Y B E R S O U R C E
   Level 9, 140 Queen St Melbourne 3000
Ph : +61 3 9642 5997 Fax: +61 3 9642 5998

On Tue, 2 Jan 2001, Tib wrote:

> Ok! here's some fun that's been causing me to lose my hair in chunks because
> I've been ripping it out. I checked out PMFirewall as someone mentioned, and
> had initially set it up. Everything seemed fine. However, even though I ran
> ipchains -L and it said there were no rules in place, it seems that NOTHING but
> icmp packets are allowed through the network anymore. I've smashed my head
> against my route table and other things but I just can't figure it out. Nothing
> gets forwarded but icmp, everything else is no route to host (from the machines
> inside the network that would use the address for eth0 as a gateway),
> furthermore, it would seem that eth0's performance has been compromised as well
> for some strange reason, data throughput of ANY kind is extremely slow even
> though pingtimes are fantastic. I uninstalled pmfirewall and backed out every
> other change I can think of, I've shut down and brought up the network,
> re-added routes the way they were before, and overall exhausted my brain with
> this problem, can someone help please???
> 
> 
> Tib
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: [expert] linuxconf-1.21r5-5mdk.i586.rpm requires libgd.so.1

[Daniel Anderson]

Hi,
  The "gd-1.8.1-4mdk.i586.rpm" on the 7.2 install cd worked fine for me.
Hope this helps.

 Dan


"John J. LeMay Jr." wrote:
> 
> ** Reply to message from [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Tue, 2 Jan 2001 09:34:11 Gmt
> +0200
> 
> > I have recently installed Linux-Mandrake 7.2 [Macmillan].
> > Then I ran the updates utility, and all want well until I came to the update
> > for linuxconf-r5-5mdk.rpm.
> > It requires a file named libgd.so.1 which is not on my system.
> > Where can I locate this file?
> > Do  need to be concerned with any version numbers here?
> >
> > If this question is better suited to the newbie list, please ignor with my 
>appologies,
> 
> Head over to www.rpmfind.net and search for libgd.so.1. You should find a
> recent Mandrake package there you can use. Any dependencies or conflicts will be
> found and you will be notified by RPM when you install the package.
> 
> John LeMay Jr.
> Senior Enterprise Consultant
> NJMC, LLC.

Re: [expert] Hey civileme: MacMillan Update CD Repost Request

[Holly Henry-Pilkington]

civileme wrote:
> 
> http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/72last.php3
> 
> last article on the page...
> 
> If you selected individual packages and did not install conflicting zope
> services or cups AND printpro, you should be OK and not need the additional
> instructions.

Thanks much! I'd remembered not to install cups AND printpro, but I did
have problems with zope. On a related note, if I'm running lpr instead of
cups, should I bother with printpro install? I installed cups not printpro
because of automatic dependencies, but I don't run cups. Thanks again for
reposting this info!

Holly

[expert] problems with network

[Tib]

Ok! here's some fun that's been causing me to lose my hair in chunks because
I've been ripping it out. I checked out PMFirewall as someone mentioned, and
had initially set it up. Everything seemed fine. However, even though I ran
ipchains -L and it said there were no rules in place, it seems that NOTHING but
icmp packets are allowed through the network anymore. I've smashed my head
against my route table and other things but I just can't figure it out. Nothing
gets forwarded but icmp, everything else is no route to host (from the machines
inside the network that would use the address for eth0 as a gateway),
furthermore, it would seem that eth0's performance has been compromised as well
for some strange reason, data throughput of ANY kind is extremely slow even
though pingtimes are fantastic. I uninstalled pmfirewall and backed out every
other change I can think of, I've shut down and brought up the network,
re-added routes the way they were before, and overall exhausted my brain with
this problem, can someone help please???


Tib

[expert] Remote X

[Jerry Sternesky]

Yesterday I was playing around with running X on MachineA from MachineB.  
>From MachineA I executed X -quiet -query MachineB.  It connected and gdm came 
up no problem.  I logged in with kde as my choice.  When the startup wave 
played the sound came from the speakers in MachineB?  Is this normal, or 
correct?  If I wanted the sound on machine A is there a way to do this?

I am toying with the idea of setting one pc to act as a server not only in 
the traditional sense but to be an xdm server for 2 clients.  What I am 
hoping to do is have all the programs I want to located on one machine 
accessable by all clients.  Is this even the right route for that?  Or should 
I be reading different how-to's?

Thanks Again,

Jerry

[expert] Setting to ?

[Alexander Skwar]

Hello!

I've installed sawfish-0.34-3mdk and XFree86-4.0.2-1mdk on a cooker
installation.  Before I used a pre-7.2 cooker.  After I installed
everything, the left ALT key is mapped to ALT.  For XEmacs I need a META
key.  How can I redefine ALT so, that it acts like META?

Thx,

Alexander Skwar
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[expert] Intel 815e

[Jerry Sternesky]

I sent this a couple of days ago and it seems it never made it to the list.

I will be getting an intel 815e motherboard with onboard sound and 4Xagp 
graphics.  I was wondering 2 things has anyone installed Mandrake 7.2 on 
one of these, if so what "challenges" if any can I look forward to if any to 
get the hardware recognized.  I plan on doing a fresh install.  According to 
the intel FAQ I can anticipate it not seeing all of my memory for 2.x series 
of kernels, it also looks like I will have to install a graphic driver from 
intel for the agp support.

Also, since I currently use a Creatave TNT2 Ultra in 24bit will I be 
disappointed by video performance, including openGL?  The xfree86.org site 
indicates 4.02 has improved DRI but only at 16.  It does have a slot for 
adding an agp video card if I choose, but I am wondering if this is worth the 
added expense to play some games.

If anybody has some experience with these I would appreciate their feedback, 
since I won't tackle this until the weekend I am trying to plan ahead.

Thanks

Jerry

Re: [expert] linuxconf-1.21r5-5mdk.i586.rpm requires libgd.so.1

[John J. LeMay Jr.]

** Reply to message from [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Tue, 2 Jan 2001 09:34:11 Gmt
+0200

> I have recently installed Linux-Mandrake 7.2 [Macmillan].
> Then I ran the updates utility, and all want well until I came to the update
> for linuxconf-r5-5mdk.rpm.
> It requires a file named libgd.so.1 which is not on my system.
> Where can I locate this file?
> Do  need to be concerned with any version numbers here?
> 
> If this question is better suited to the newbie list, please ignor with my 
>appologies,


Head over to www.rpmfind.net and search for libgd.so.1. You should find a
recent Mandrake package there you can use. Any dependencies or conflicts will be
found and you will be notified by RPM when you install the package.

John LeMay Jr.
Senior Enterprise Consultant
NJMC, LLC.

Re: [Re: [expert] For all of you with "One BIG anoying Pain in the A**"]

[civileme]

On Tuesday 02 January 2001 10:23, you wrote:
> civileme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hi Civileme,
>
> Thanks for the article, interesting and helpful indeed. At the beginning of
> the article you mentioned that the installer feels that it has to overwrite
> the old system. 

If you have a separate, common boot partition, no problem; my example is 
without that.

Actually I did not experience anything like that. When I
> installed a new system (not from cooker, though) I just made a new root
> partition, mounted the old /home and /usr/local and the windoze partitions
> + the old linux root partition under /mnt/oldlinux. After that I let the
> installer to copy everything to the new root partition, and did not install
> bootloader (you  can actually make a bootdisk, but you do not even have
> to). Then from the old system, just edit menu.lst, put a new title and
> point it to the appropriate new root and boot partition (which was the same
> in my case). And you can boot the new system from the grub, which was
> installed when you put the old system there...
>
> Viktor
>
> > http://www.mandrakeforum.com/article.php3?sid=20001206025807
> >
> > There you discover how to do it(details).
> >
> > Civileme
>
> Viktor Lakics
>
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>
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>
>
> 
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Re: [expert] 320 MB kcore file

[Mark Hillary]

I have that file to, it was there before I complied anything.Plus the file
doesn't really take up any space as the proc file system is a kernel file
system as in none of the files are there when you ask the kernel to look at
one it creates it then and destroys it when you are finished. Also it think
the file is a representation of you system memory. Do you have 320Mb by
chance.

So all in all don't worry about this file as it is not really there.

Mark Hillary
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From: "Kelley Terry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 6:36 AM
Subject: [expert] 320 MB kcore file


> while compiling a kde application the compiler created a 320 MByte
> /proc/kcore file.  It filled up my hard drive and then crashed.  How can I
> reset this file to a small size or remove it?
>

Re: [Re: [expert] For all of you with "One BIG anoying Pain in the A**"]

[Viktor Lakics]

civileme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hi Civileme,

Thanks for the article, interesting and helpful indeed. At the beginning of
the article you mentioned that the installer feels that it has to overwrite
the old system. Actually I did not experience anything like that. When I
installed a new system (not from cooker, though) I just made a new root
partition, mounted the old /home and /usr/local and the windoze partitions +
the old linux root partition under /mnt/oldlinux. After that I let the
installer to copy everything to the new root partition, and did not install
bootloader (you  can actually make a bootdisk, but you do not even have to).
Then from the old system, just edit menu.lst, put a new title and point it to
the appropriate new root and boot partition (which was the same in my case).
And you can boot the new system from the grub, which was installed when you
put the old system there...

Viktor 

> http://www.mandrakeforum.com/article.php3?sid=20001206025807
> 
> There you discover how to do it(details).
> 
> Civileme


Viktor Lakics

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[expert] lost /var

[Lars Roland Kristiansen]

Being seek of reiserfs (cant handel 60 gb of mp3 files and cant handle the
linux software raid we run on the "danish national radio server") i was
moving all our files (cp) to an backup server ... split the eksisting
patition up in to - and ran mkfs.ext2 on both partitions (and put ext3 on
top) - but somthing went wrong and now i lost our 400 mb "var" partition,
this is not goot sinse i lost the "rpm pacakage list" and lots of other
goodies ... most of it i hat on backups but not the rpm-list (rpm --initdb
dont do it) so now i cant install anything without using "rpm -Uvh
--nodeps --force" so my problem is

1) is there anyway i can get my /var rebuild (reinstalling is NOT an
option) (i dont have much hope about this one - is there any place were i
can see just what i need to put in /var)

2) using "rpm --nodeps (--force)" dont work on all pacaked (i cant install
the kdebase rpm from 29-12 this way) ... what do i then do 


PLEASE help...   

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Mvh./Yours sincerely

Lars 


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