Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?/Is Windows faster on same machine?
On Wednesday 26 February 2003 18:53, you wrote: > As I said, if you want to compare apples to apples, load OO ONCE on desktop > 2 and switch to it--that is what Windows is doing with MSO, or the nearest > achievable equivalent. No. The perfomance is not comparable even then. I write this mail on a 166Mhz/48MbRAM Compaq Deskpro that was capable of giving me snappy perfomance running MSO97 and Win95. It runs now Mdk8.2, no KDE, only XFCE, no useless services running, I have really done everything I know to make it run. First start of OOo takes more than a minute. But it does not get any better later. Opening new files takes time. Even autosave of a long file means 10 sec coffee break. I have not tried Mdk7.1, maybe the difference in perfomance is really so big as you describe. Having worked with older StarOffices as well, using 5.1 would probably mean perfomance loss, not a win. > Then you will have comparable performance except you can be doing more > tasks on Mandrake. Yes that I believe. But still, the only argument that made my family company (run by my parents) change the OS was question about licences, and to the lesser degree about stability. They are convinced that Linux performance is lousy and I am not capable of showing otherwise. What more, there is still my mother doing bookkeeping on an old P90/Win95 that was bought brandnew when such comp was a big deal. She has had no crashes or blue screens since then and so Linux stability is not an argument either, at least for her. Wahur Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?/Is Windows faster on samemachine?
On Wed, 2003-02-26 at 18:48, Damian Gatabria wrote: > > > > As I said, if you want to compare apples to apples, load OO ONCE on desktop > > 2 and switch to it--that is what Windows is doing with MSO, or the nearest > > achievable equivalent. > > Civileme, there are few to none occasions in which i can disagree with you > or even judge your knowledge... you are simply above many of us, most of the > time, but this is one of the subjects in which you sound a little ...wishful? > > In this machine of mine, i can load windows 98, and Office will take something > like 2 seconds to start. True, most of the libs are already on memory. > > But then, i can also run Office thru wine on Linux (does Linux preload > MS Office in memory?) and it takes about 5 to 10 seconds. (this includes > the time needed to launch the wineserver, wine.bin processes, and then > MS Office. > > OpenOffice.org 1.0 takes a full minute. This is like saying that Linux is faster than Windows because Bluefish loads faster than DreamWeaver. Put OOo on windows and do that comparison. > > Try it yourself. As you very correctly said, thare are some things for which > Linux is faster, and some things for which Windows is faster. Now, MS Office > is a VERY fast set of applications. Even if it's not pre-loaded (wine proves > it). And OpenOffice.org is a VERY SLOW set of applications (regarding > startup anyway. Normal operation does not differ almost) > > > > > > > > > I amazed people at a local Computer Renaissance when loading a copy of > > Mandrake for a business customer. One of the CDs would not read on the > > target machine (media vs drive error on a brand-new drive) so I used a > > Mandrake Demonstrator there to burn a copy of the CD which would read. > > While burning, I was printing the user manual I had prepared and also > > showing someone how to connect to the internet using the machine and > > MCC And then I burned a copy of another CD (showing how backing up > > could be done). > > > > The store techs were floored. They had a hyped-up dual P4 running win2K > > server and when they were burning they could not do anything else, and they > > HAD to reset after burning or the next CD they burned would have only a > > directory and no retrievable data. > > > > Civileme > > I have tried this also. In this one you are quite right, Linux 0wnz CD-burning > and proper multitasking. :o) > > Damian > > --- > > > > __ > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?/Is Windows faster on samemachine?
On Wed, 2003-02-26 at 13:27, et wrote: > I was not speaking about anyone in particular > > On Wednesday 26 February 2003 04:13 pm, flacycads wrote: > > If you are referring to me, my /etc/hosts file is correct (not empty), and > > my hard drives are tweaked with hdparm, and have been since I started Linux > > about 9 months ago. I also only run the services I actually need, and > > compile lean as possible kernels. However, I know I could use more ram on > > these machines, and that would help the performance. I also use only the > > best ram, and have been a serious overclocker at times, and know the ins > > and outs of that, although at present I'm not overclocking while I'm > > trying to really learn about my Linux systems. > ahh go ahead and overclock and learn linux at the same time,,, nothing like > creating extra problems to get extra training on repairing them > > I've made a pretty serious effort to tune my Mandrake install, and read > > everything I could find on the subject, but of course I'm all ears for any > > advice anyone wants to offer, and it will certainly be appreciated. I can > > use all the knowledge I can get, and this great expert list has really > > helped me tremendously. > > > > I came from a Mac/windows background, and have many years experience > > tweaking them for maximun performance. BTW, someone mentioned windows won't > > use all the memory. That's not exactly correct- you can edit the System.ini > > file to force windows to use all available ram before using the swap file. > > This works really well for those with a lot of ram. You can also make edits > > to control the loading and unloading of .dlls, among many other settings > > edits that affect performance. I only mention this because I've been trying > > to figure out if there are similar modifications in Linux- there doesn't > > seem to be much written about this- at least I haven't run across much. And > > of course I still have a lot to learn about the /etc/file possiblities. > > ehhh, no mater what, or so I have heard, win 9x to win me will NOT boot with > more than 512 megs ram. I can say that for sure with winME. > it is really the way the ram is used, as far as I know, that makes the > differences, that and the way it is tested by the kernal developers to decide > what really is the best optimization for the ram use. > > > My main concern is not how fast an OS boots, or how fast applications load > > into ram, it's how good the response/performance is afterwards. Which is, > > of course, where lots of ram and a fast cpu works wonders, with Linux or > > windows. > compare the "second loading" times then, notice how much faster an application > loads the second time in Linux, then compare the comparitive app in M$win, or > even better, compare loading the app (try Adobe photoshop) in a VMware window > the second time, then compare loading it as dual boot. > > > > > > > > I bet your network is correctly setup and tweaked, and his /etc/host file > > > is empty too Wanna see something really fast? Win98 boot's in under 15 seconds when running under win4lin! > > > > __ > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?/Is Windows faster on samemachine?
On Wed, 2003-02-26 at 15:01, civileme wrote: > On Wednesday 26 February 2003 12:13 pm, flacycads wrote: > > If you are referring to me, my /etc/hosts file is correct (not empty), and > > my hard drives are tweaked with hdparm, and have been since I started Linux > > about 9 months ago. I also only run the services I actually need, and > > compile lean as possible kernels. However, I know I could use more ram on > > these machines, and that would help the performance. I also use only the > > best ram, and have been a serious overclocker at times, and know the ins > > and outs of that, although at present I'm not overclocking while I'm > > trying to really learn about my Linux systems. > > > > I've made a pretty serious effort to tune my Mandrake install, and read > > everything I could find on the subject, but of course I'm all ears for any > > advice anyone wants to offer, and it will certainly be appreciated. I can > > use all the knowledge I can get, and this great expert list has really > > helped me tremendously. > > > > I came from a Mac/windows background, and have many years experience > > tweaking them for maximun performance. BTW, someone mentioned windows won't > > use all the memory. That's not exactly correct- you can edit the System.ini > > file to force windows to use all available ram before using the swap file. > > This works really well for those with a lot of ram. You can also make edits > > to control the loading and unloading of .dlls, among many other settings > > edits that affect performance. I only mention this because I've been trying > > to figure out if there are similar modifications in Linux- there doesn't > > seem to be much written about this- at least I haven't run across much. And > > of course I still have a lot to learn about the /etc/file possiblities. > > > > My main concern is not how fast an OS boots, or how fast applications load > > into ram, it's how good the response/performance is afterwards. Which is, > > of course, where lots of ram and a fast cpu works wonders, with Linux or > > windows. > > > > Robert Crawford > > > > On Wednesday 26 February 2003 02:11 pm, et wrote: > > > On Wednesday 26 February 2003 02:39 am, civileme wrote: > > > > On Tuesday 25 February 2003 09:17 pm, Jack Coates wrote: > > > > > Not to turn it into a WM flamewar, but are you using KDE or GNOME? > > > > > Either fullblown environment can make the experience a lot slower in > > > > > my experience. > > > > > > > > > > It's also possible and fun to throw Linux's performance down the > > > > > stairs in ways that Windows simply won't do, such as pixmapped themes > > > > > and running graphic programs in the root-window. Go easy on the > > > > > eye-candy, get faster response. > > > > > > > > > > Last but not least, there are definitely issues with XFree86 that > > > > > won't be going away. For one thing, X is a user space program and the > > > > > Win32 GDI is kernel space, ring 0, ever since NT 4.0. This is > > > > > changing with DRI, but at the same cost of decreased stability which > > > > > plagues NT video. Also, X's video card support tends to be a bit > > > > > flaky in my experience, which is to say it's a crap-shoot if running > > > > > a 3d program is going to produce software rendering, hardware > > > > > rendering, static across the top 3rd of my screen, or a video card > > > > > lockup (all of these have happened this week with a Voodoo3 and an > > > > > i815). I don't think that XFree86 gets the same sort of attention > > > > > that Windows drivers get, since driver debugging that goes past the > > > > > point of "it works on the primary developer's machine" is not very > > > > > fun. > > > > > > > > > > dos centavos, > > > > > Jack > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 2003-02-25 at 21:36, flacycads wrote: > > > > > > OK- you're correct- I don't speak for everyone, and my choice of > > > > > > words was unfortunate. Please accept my apology. > > > > > > > > > > > > However, my experience on several dual boot boxes with different > > > > > > versions of windows and Linux has always been that overall computer > > > > > > performance is significantly better when booted to windows. I'm > > > > > > sorry, but that's what happens- there's no question about it. Of > > > > > > course I do have any windows installation I run highly tweaked and > > > > > > tuned to perfection( as good as is possible), and perhaps I can > > > > > > tweak my Linux installs a little more than I presently have. > > > > > > > > > > > > Robert Crawford > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday 25 February 2003 07:26 pm, et wrote: > > > > > > > On Tuesday 25 February 2003 05:01 pm, Joe Braddock wrote: > > > > > > > > ---Original Message--- > > > > > > > > From: flacycads <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > Sent: 02/25/03 05:10 PM > > > > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyone who dual boots with window
Re: [expert] PC Chips 810
On Wed, 2003-02-26 at 07:42, Anne Wilson wrote: > On Wednesday 26 Feb 2003 3:35 pm, Aaron Matteson wrote: > > On Wed, 2003-02-26 at 07:19, Anne Wilson wrote: > > > > > On Wednesday 26 Feb 2003 3:14 pm, Aaron Matteson wrote: > > > > > > > But the issues with > > > > Via are more pronounced. > > > > > > > > > What sort of problems are you seeing, Aaron? > > > > Mainly stability issues, ranging from the IDE controller to the actual > > chipset. The most prevalent of the symptoms is data corruption. > > > > The good thing about Via is that they do perform a little better, but is > > it worth sacraficing stability for slightly faster? > > > > There are a lot of Via customers that have never had any problems, same > > old story with every other manufacture. I guess what i am trying to get > > at is buying Via is a little like russian roulette. > > > Interesting. Several of my family have Soltek mobos, which use via chipsets. > Generally they are pretty well-behaved, but one, right from the start has had > some problems. After ruling out everything I possibly can, I began to > suspect the ide1 controller. This seems to fit with your experience, would > you say? I just retired a Soltek mobo with a 233mhz cpu after 7 years of almost continuous usage. ... btw I'll take Via over i845 any day. James > > Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] change hostname
On Wed, 2003-02-26 at 20:42, David McGlone wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > How do I change my hostname from localhost.localdomain to Buddy? > > I changed /etc/hosts, and hostmdkgiorig, and it was still > localhost.localdomain To change it permanently edit /etc/sysconfig/network The first line is the one you want. To change it without rebooting (after doing the above) # hostname buddy then to test it # hostname James > > Thanks > - -- > David M. > Edification Web Solutions > http://www.edificationweb.com > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQE+XZdUAulWMV3BRjARAuegAKCKPos7fhrvcPoDaywyiJ4sUQ/vHwCgj6M4 > NXDGjZ2j7uKwU/NyUoeeOME= > =vXQE > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > > > __ > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?/Is Windows faster on same machine?
> > This is like saying that Linux is faster than Windows because Bluefish > loads faster than DreamWeaver. Put OOo on windows and do that > comparison. I am not saying "windows is faster than Linux". I'm saying "MS Office is faster then OpenOffice" and, yes, the Windows version of OO behaves pretty much like the Linux version... maybe just a bit faster... -- Damian Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] New Desknote A907
Hi all, I met an ad with this new (sort of) laptop with incredible specs for its low price (695 EUR here in Spain). Does anybody succeed installing MDK or other distros? What's it like compared to ordinary processors (it's got a Transmeta T5600) Cheers, Rafa Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Large IDE HD on Mdk 9.0?
Strange, is the drve the only drive in your machine? Just curious. I just installed a 250 Gig drive in my wife's machine. Windows ME was unable to correctly partition the drive. I installed ML9.0 on the system Sliced the drive into 4 partitions via Mandrake and placed ML in partition 2. Then formatted other partitions as Windows partitions. Funny (as in ROFL) thing is that Windows ME is behaving itself and is unable to detect any difference in the Linux formatted partitions than if it had formatted them itself. Yes, it is dual boot. Mandrake development team - give yourself a pat on the back! You deserve it! On Sunday 16 February 2003 10:00 pm, Wolf N. Paul wrote: > I am having trouble getting a 120G Maxtor 4G120J8 disk > working on my Mdk 9.0 system. > > When I attach the drive and reboot, the boot hangs > indefinitely at the partition check, both when the disk > was virginal from the store, and now that I have created > a single large primary partition on it with Win2K. > > If I append "hdh=noprobe" to the boot prompt, I can > boot the system, but the drive is not accessible. > > If I specify the geometry the kernel reports for the > drive just before the partition check, like so: > > "hdh=14946,255,63 hdh=noprobe" > > which corresponds to an example in the kernel source > Documents/ide.txt file, the kernel panics. The same thing > happens if I use the geometry values given in the spec > sheet for the drive on Maxtor's support web. > > The first line of the panic message refers to a null pointer reference > at address 63, which makes me wonder whether the sectors parameter > of the geometry spec is getting misinterpreted. > > Any hints? Any ideas? > > Regards, > > Wolf N. Paul > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] I want to create a repository in my local hd with hdlist.cz ...
Hi everyone,
I'd like to create a repository in my local hard drive with
my own packages. Has anybody know where can i find info
about mdk's repository? how i get my own hdlist.cz?
i haven't found info about it.
i tried to look inside a hdlist.cz file but it's binary.
i have no clues.
blokkie, in #mandrake, told me about the files in subdirectory
misc/ in cooker, but i don't understand those scripts very well.
thanks in advanced.
PD: Sorry, English isn't my mother tongue.
dios
--
Baltasar Perez ('ponto')
Linux User #198228; Machine #112080; Hispalinux #2805
Gran Canaria - Canary Islands - Spain
"good cw is music", Pat Nicholls VE3DZZ
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Re: [expert] Mandy 9.0 Boot problems
If I saw those sort of messages, I would be shopping for another drive. Just my $0.02 worth. On Thursday 20 February 2003 04:29 pm, Tru64 User wrote: > A mandrake 9.0 running kernel 2.4-19 decided to > simply, HANG on boot!! > Using a boot disk, comes up fine. Then I run lilo -q, > and it responds with all my lilo options corrrectly:: > cere@/var/log/kernel$ lilo -q > openMosixLVM* > linux > linux-nonfb > linux-enterpris > openMosix > linux-smp > failsafe > floppy > > I re-install lilo, and try a reboot, same problem, > HANG on boot, until boot disk is used!! > > Ideas?? Disk dying?? > > _Thanks Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?/Is Windows faster on same machine?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 27 February 2003 03:14 am, James Sparenberg wrote: > it. Boot alone took 27 minutes! (with swap under 2 minutes) Says a lot > about memory management. > > James Any chance you guys could do some snipping in these long threads? Especially when the subject starts to stray a bit. - -- Greg -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+Xgf7Gu5uuMFlL5MRAiJgAJ9v7vONEDcjKohkcfkB7wowFHLgbwCffkQR IYAd09I2R9RMDshqmc91MIc= =gYZr -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Slipstreaming 9.0 Updates
On Thursday 20 February 2003 12:41 am, Greg Meyer wrote: > Does anybody know how I would create a slipstreamed set of installation > disks for 9.0 that included all the security updates. Is it as easy as > copying the new packages to the cd images and removing the older version? > or is there some kind of remastering process that must happen? Greg,please excuse my ignorance, but what do you mean by "slipstreamed" ? I have not heard of that term. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] what could be wrong? PHP viewing
ok, I'll byte; Where is "dog" to be found? On Monday 24 February 2003 01:38 pm, tarvid wrote: > Check your mime types on the server too. The server renders the php not the > client (konq). > > gives you an excuse to try "dog" to see what you actually received > > Jim Tarvid > > On Monday 24 February 2003 08:12 am, Martin Fahrendorf wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Am Montag, 24. Februar 2003 13:42 schrieb David McGlone: > > > Hi all, > > > > > > I created a "test.php" app and put it in /var/www/html but Konq will > > > not display it, but instead asks if I want to open it using Kwrite. > > > > > > I have all php apps installed, apache, and mysql. > > > > > > http://localhost works fine, but viewing PHP scripts isn't working. > > > > > > Any ideas? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > You have enclosed your php script in , did you? > > > > Martin > > - -- > > - > > H E L I X Gesellschaft für Software & Engineering mbH > > - > > Hanauer Landstrasse 52 Telefon (069) 4789 35-30 > > 60314 Frankfurt am Main Telefax (069) 4789 35-44 > > - > > http://www.helix-gmbh.net[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) > > > > iD8DBQE+WhpOBG198cnayKQRAjTeAJ4ly3xmFX8yZLJrGSa/AI2ObEaSqgCfS342 > > DBmC0JDq36f92/rW5JRLBag= > > =IO6z > > -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] change hostname
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 26 February 2003 11:45 pm, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: > --- David McGlone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > How do I change my hostname from localhost.localdomain to Buddy? > > > > I changed /etc/hosts, and hostmdkgiorig, and it was still > > localhost.localdomain > > > > Thanks > > - -- > > David M. > > Do a "vi" on /etc/sysconfig/network. Ugh...vi. ANYTHING but vi. You can also run linuxconf and set it there. You will then need to restart X or you will find that most/all apps will refuse to start from the moment you changed the hostname. praedor -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+XhZAwDUPEkSvRHERAvp9AKC1cf1Ai6a8Vt5Q/Usue3MaYHXEKQCfZjz0 gfvJOLy+O0AMph4Aa41LrOI= =6Ezz -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?/Is Windows faster on same machine?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 26 February 2003 09:48 pm, Damian Gatabria wrote: [...] > OpenOffice.org 1.0 takes a full minute. > > Try it yourself. As you very correctly said, thare are some things for > which Linux is faster, and some things for which Windows is faster. Now, MS > Office is a VERY fast set of applications. Even if it's not pre-loaded > (wine proves it). And OpenOffice.org is a VERY SLOW set of applications > (regarding startup anyway. Normal operation does not differ almost) [...] One full minute? Are you sure you're not exaggerating a little bit? I don't use OO but use Staroffice now and again and it is slow but it certainly doesn't take a minute. I haven't timed it yet but I would be suprised if it actually took more than 20 to 30 seconds tops. My system: athlon 1.1Ghz, 128M ram, MDK 9.0. It is seemingly painfully slow but not THAT painful - 1 minute is an extremely long time. praedor -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+XhfDwDUPEkSvRHERAojFAKCJtJenlzyAq2DrUeUQv9OHukkK8ACgwPvp Qejnt9O+N8sxshaRdOWE8rU= =yeMc -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] www.TrueMajority.com
On Wednesday 26 February 2003 09:29 pm, mike wrote: > Adolpho should not have done this, but there is right winged shit on this > list all the time. > > Don't get me started! > > On Wednesday 26 February 2003 08:02 pm, Seth Zirin wrote: > > On Tue, 2003-02-25 at 06:08, et wrote: > > > Very bad form to send this type (of SPAM) to a tech mail list, From: > > > "Adolfo ortiz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> has just made it to my spam > > > filters > > > > If you still have the message in your trash, you might consider > > forwarding a complaint to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and include the original > > message with full headers. > > > > > > Seth > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] I agree it is not worth a complaint, filters work so well Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Windows Games Platform, was "Enterprise OS, was "Mandrake Out of Control?""
On Thursday 27 February 2003 03:02 am, Michael Adams wrote: > On Thu, 27 Feb 2003 04:52, Tibbetts, Ric wrote: > > Jack Coates wrote: > > > On Tue, 2003-02-25 at 16:55, Ric Tibbetts wrote: > > > ... > > > > > >>Actually, I have XP running at home on a PII-333 > > >>My kids use it as their game machine. > > >> > > >>But my oldest is only 7. Their demands are low. :) > > >> > > >>Ric > > > > > > yeah, I was kind of annoyed when I had to replace Win98 with Win2K on > > > the kids' game machine to get it to actually run Reader Rabbit without > > > puking all over itself... > > > > > > Duron 750. > > > > > > Yeah, I hear ya! I tried Win2k on their box, but lost to many games > > (don't remember which right now. It was a while ago). > > So we loaded XP (ugh!). There were fewer game losses. But if I had time, > > I'd put 98 back on. It ran better, and ALL their games worked. But I > > just haven't had time... sigh... > > > > But.. This is drifting a long way from a LM discussion. :) > > > > Ric > > Take two hard disks. > Insert the largest as hda. Make a small FAT32 Primary Partition, leaving > space for linux. Install Win98 on this. Remove. > Insert the other harddrive. Install Win2k or XP(shudder). Remove. > Insert large (98) as Master and w2k as slave. Install linux. > Edit LILO for two "other" boot options (copy and paste) edit "hda1" to read > "hdb1". > > Voila, backwards, sideways and other compatability. Out of pocket for two > crappy OSes but hey. > > If i missed a step, someone will point it out for me. for me, I just install win98, then MDK, and I split MDK all over two hard drives (one / on hda6, swap hda7, home on hdb5, /var hdb7) and have 9gigs in hdb6 as ntfs for win2kpro, and just install win2k pro last, and chose the remaining partiton for win2k. this way lilo has one win entre and that loads the win2k boot loader adn then I chose which win to run. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 26 February 2003 06:34 pm, Jack Coates wrote: > On Wed, 2003-02-26 at 10:37, Greg Meyer wrote: > ... > > > I agree with you wholeheartedly, however the point I was trying to make > > was that as we all sit around here and discuss these things, very often > > we have that discussion based on what we think a particular term, like > > beta, rc or stability mean, without acknowledging the way MandrakeSoft > > means them. I do not believe that we should not communicate with the > > company to try to get them to change their definition, or modify thier > > way of thinking. Perhaps changing the way releases are numbered, so that > > common perception aligns with reality is the way to go, but as an > > alternative to your proposal, instead of changing the MandrakeSoft > > release philosophy, change the numbering so there are no longer any point > > releases. 10 and 11 vs 9.1 and 9.2. Although this would align reality > > more with what peoples understandings of releases are, I acknowledge that > > it does not address your criticism about bug fixing. > > ... > > I think this is the most reasonable course of action; it assuages > symptoms and concerns without imposing more stress on MandrakeSoft. That > way, instead of continually re-explaining that Mandrake doesn't follow > the convention of bleeding-edge in x.0, increasing stability in x.1,2, > Mandrake and its users can simply say "it's a different release > strategy." Date-based release name is certainly one good way to imply > this philosophy, but it has a few bad marketing implications. Code names > are fun, but people will probably gripe. Sticking with the ordinal > numbers and losing the decimals is probably the best option. It also will QUICKLY run Mandrake out of viable numbers and would then need a new naming scheme. How about stop jumping full digits so semi-randomly? Since each release is virtually a new release rather than a bugfix, just go with that and use the decimal place to delimit cooker vs real release? To borrow loosely from kernel development, odd decimal numbers would be for Cooker, even for the release, ie, 8.1 is a cooker development system and 8.2 is the release that was based on 8.1 (cooker). Then it would work out that we are coming up on the next release at 8.4, as the current cooker would be 8.3. Are we really to get a Mandrake 24.0 within just a year or so? Really? The next release after that might then jump to 31.0, considering the numeric jump from 8.2 to 9.0. If you are going to use numbers to name your release, you need to conserve the significant digits or it will soon become unwieldy and ridiculous (Mandrake 105.2). praedor -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+XhmXwDUPEkSvRHERAo6wAJ9S6ZTAGGyNqmMjDjuAVCuEjqL3xgCfRrdv 4AHY1bG51tcSLCkeKywKTKM= =vh2d -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] High Memory Usage Explanation
Mem: 2063808K av, 2048376K used, OR Mem: 900940K av, 820660K used I am a bit confused with the output of "top" and asking for further explanation. Reading its manpage did not clear this out for me. Without any users but me, logged in, doing nothing, Mandy 9.0 (2.4-19mdk)& Mandy 8.2 (2.4-18mdk)resp. shows mem used as above, which suggests all mem. used pretty much. However, no single processes added up, total this used memory. How else can i explain this to myself? How else can i find out actual memory used/free? Interestingly, if and when i reboot, it starts out with about 90% of that memory showing as free, as days go by, it goes up, until "almost" mem_avail==mem_used, then it stays constant until next reboot. Yours Clueless, Richard [ PS. I dont experience such as a behavior on our commercial Unix machines, is it unique to Linux? Mandy Linux? ] 8:49am up 14:21, 6 users, load average: 0.06, 0.02, 0.00 104 processes: 103 sleeping, 1 running, 0 zombie, 0 stopped CPU0 states: 0.0% user, 0.2% system, 0.0% nice, 0.499% idle CPU1 states: 0.0% user, 0.0% system, 0.0% nice, 61.3% idle Mem: 2063808K av, 2048376K used, 15432K free, 0K shrd, 173352K buff Swap: 2015960K av, 304K used, 2015656K free 1397692K cached = __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] High Memory Usage Explanation
On Thu, 2003-02-27 at 09:03, Tru64 User wrote: > Mem: 2063808K av, 2048376K used, OR > Mem: 900940K av, 820660K used > > I am a bit confused with the output of "top" and > asking for further explanation. Reading its manpage > did not clear this out for me. > Without any users but me, logged in, doing nothing, > Mandy 9.0 (2.4-19mdk)& Mandy 8.2 (2.4-18mdk)resp. > shows mem used as above, which suggests all mem. used > pretty much. > However, no single processes added up, total this used > memory. > How else can i explain this to myself? > How else can i find out actual memory used/free? > > Interestingly, if and when i reboot, it starts out > with about 90% of that memory showing as free, as days > go by, it goes up, until "almost" mem_avail==mem_used, > then it stays constant until next reboot. > Linux is using the free memory as buffers and file cache. If an application needs memory in use by these buffers/cache it will be freed. This means that your memory is not sitting around idle when it could be used to improve performance. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?/Is Windows faster on samemachine?
try mandrake 7.2. I still get a lot of mileage out of it. It's the version that they got right. I only wish the releases after it were as good. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Vahur Lokk Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 3:00 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?/Is Windows faster on same machine? On Wednesday 26 February 2003 18:53, you wrote: > As I said, if you want to compare apples to apples, load OO ONCE on desktop > 2 and switch to it--that is what Windows is doing with MSO, or the nearest > achievable equivalent. No. The perfomance is not comparable even then. I write this mail on a 166Mhz/48MbRAM Compaq Deskpro that was capable of giving me snappy perfomance running MSO97 and Win95. It runs now Mdk8.2, no KDE, only XFCE, no useless services running, I have really done everything I know to make it run. First start of OOo takes more than a minute. But it does not get any better later. Opening new files takes time. Even autosave of a long file means 10 sec coffee break. I have not tried Mdk7.1, maybe the difference in perfomance is really so big as you describe. Having worked with older StarOffices as well, using 5.1 would probably mean perfomance loss, not a win. > Then you will have comparable performance except you can be doing more > tasks on Mandrake. Yes that I believe. But still, the only argument that made my family company (run by my parents) change the OS was question about licences, and to the lesser degree about stability. They are convinced that Linux performance is lousy and I am not capable of showing otherwise. What more, there is still my mother doing bookkeeping on an old P90/Win95 that was bought brandnew when such comp was a big deal. She has had no crashes or blue screens since then and so Linux stability is not an argument either, at least for her. Wahur --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.455 / Virus Database: 255 - Release Date: 2/13/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.455 / Virus Database: 255 - Release Date: 2/13/2003 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] 9.1 Bugreport
I tried reporting this to Bugzilla and ironically it wouldn't let me because there is some bug. I have installed 9.1-rc1 on several boxes now and run into the following problems during install: 1) on an ASUS P3V4X P-3 800MHz Adaptec SCSI card, 9.1 GB SCSI drive on 2 out of 3 installs, both in normal and expert mode, I get the following error when it tries to go into "Summary" mode during install: An error occurred Undefined subroutine &main:: called It is possible to boot after this but I had to configure a lot of stuff manually. Could this be a bad burn? I don't think so because it installed on a different, more modern system twice without any problems. 2) on both systems: listing processes shows named to be running 5 times using consecutive PIDs.since I didn't need named anyhow I just did "chkconfig --del named" and that went away I've lost applications off of the KDE/Gnome menus. KDE Menu Editor will only run using a console command. The applications are still there and will start normally using the console. I lost galeon, mozilla, evolution, and I'm not sure if mandrake control center was ever there or not, but it isn't anymore if it was. This was on my P4 box with 768MB of ram. Also, there is an annoying feature of printerdrake which doesn't let you leave the printer name of an LPD server blank. My print server doesn't have a printer name it is just lpd://192.168.x.x/ so I have to config CUPS manually. Not a big deal, but it shouldn't require a printer name. This has been "broken" for a while, because 9.0 does the same thing. That's all I can think of right now... 9.1 looks good but still kind of raw. Not too surprising. I'll be buying the boxed set when it comes out, or maybe the Power Pack if I can afford it. Cheers, Bryce Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] email component
Last week I posted a message concerning the best way to develop a web page on mandrake/apache that would include database access and emailing from the application. Several people were very kind to reply with advice. Most people recommended php. I installed it on my server from the distro and coded a prototype table maintenance application in one evening. The recommendations were correct. Thanks again to everyone who joined the thread. Carter Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?/Is Windows faster on same machine?
Since this little tibit of info in useful if you are dual booting with winME/98/95 and Linux with more than 512MB ram, I'll submit it. There is no problem with higher versions of windows. The thing to do is set the MaxFileCache setting in System.ini to 512MB or slightly less, and the ConservativeSwapfileUsage=1. That way, windows will use up to 512MB before using the swap file, you will eliminate windows booting problems, and you can still use all the ram you have over 512MB when you boot Linux. Also helps to increase the spare stack pages from the windows default of 2 by adding the line MinSPs=8 (or 12) to the 386Enh section in System.ini. There's more of these modifications, and they definitely improve windows somewhat, at least to the extent it can be. I'm new to linux, so I'm wondering if there aren't similar modifications, and where they can be applied- I assume probably somewhere in /etc files, but I'm really a novice. Or is it generally that Linux is already configured correctly in the first place, and none of these type tweaks are really needed? Robert Crawford On Wednesday 26 February 2003 09:55 pm, Damian Gatabria wrote: > > ehhh, no mater what, or so I have heard, win 9x to win me will NOT boot > > with more than 512 megs ram. I can say that for sure with winME. > > it is really the way the ram is used, as far as I know, that makes the > > differences, that and the way it is tested by the kernal developers to > > decide what really is the best optimization for the ram use. > > AFAIK, this is not entirely correct. I've known people running about 768 > (or something like that).. oh, no, wait. It was 1G of RAM. The problem > with it is that Win9X cannot use all of it. And also, any more than 512MB > will only make the machine slower, as Win9x kernels have a memory > managment so crippled that it can choke by maintaining "too many" process > tables and memory pages. And no matter how many programs this guy loaded, > memory usage was never above ~400 MB, and it would even freeze due to "lack > of resources" without going any further. > > Damian Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?/Is Windows faster on same machine?
On Thursday 27 Feb 2003 1:50 pm, Praedor Atrebates wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Wednesday 26 February 2003 09:48 pm, Damian Gatabria wrote: > [...] > > > OpenOffice.org 1.0 takes a full minute. > > > > Try it yourself. As you very correctly said, thare are some things for > > which Linux is faster, and some things for which Windows is faster. Now, > > MS Office is a VERY fast set of applications. Even if it's not pre-loaded > > (wine proves it). And OpenOffice.org is a VERY SLOW set of applications > > (regarding startup anyway. Normal operation does not differ > > almost) > > [...] > > One full minute? Are you sure you're not exaggerating a little bit? I > don't use OO but use Staroffice now and again and it is slow but it > certainly doesn't take a minute. I haven't timed it yet but I would be > suprised if it actually took more than 20 to 30 seconds tops. > > My system: athlon 1.1Ghz, 128M ram, MDK 9.0. > I timed it. Athlon 900, 512M ram, Mdk 9.0 OOo 31 sec. from cold to blank document Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] kmail with local mboxes.
How can I stop kmail from moving the mailbox from /var/spool/mail/user to home directory ? I do have additional folders in /home/mail where procmail delivers a lot of filtered stuff, but my main inbox I want to always remain in /var/spool/mail/ thanx in adance Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?/Is Windows faster on same machine?
On Thursday 27 February 2003 09:59 am, flacycads wrote: > Since this little tibit of info in useful if you are dual booting with > winME/98/95 and Linux with more than 512MB ram, I'll submit it. There is no > problem with higher versions of windows. > > The thing to do is set the MaxFileCache setting in System.ini to 512MB or > slightly less, and the ConservativeSwapfileUsage=1. That way, windows will > use up to 512MB before using the swap file, you will eliminate windows > booting problems, and you can still use all the ram you have over 512MB > when you boot Linux. > > Also helps to increase the spare stack pages from the windows default of 2 > by adding the line MinSPs=8 (or 12) to the 386Enh section in System.ini. > There's more of these modifications, and they definitely improve windows > somewhat, at least to the extent it can be. > > I'm new to linux, so I'm wondering if there aren't similar modifications, > and where they can be applied- I assume probably somewhere in /etc files, > but I'm really a novice. Or is it generally that Linux is already > configured correctly in the first place, and none of these type tweaks are > really needed? > > Robert Crawford I really like this, thank you. I am going to put those other memsticks in this afternoon. since i also have win 2k on the box, will I need to make any changes to it? As far as MDK goes, when useing either a multi CPU board or more than 1 gig mem, there are different kernel versions (smp, and enterprise.) but linux really uses smp and more mem much better than WIn2k. thanks, see I learnt something again today... life is good. et > On Wednesday 26 February 2003 09:55 pm, Damian Gatabria wrote: > > > ehhh, no mater what, or so I have heard, win 9x to win me will NOT boot > > > with more than 512 megs ram. I can say that for sure with winME. > > > it is really the way the ram is used, as far as I know, that makes the > > > differences, that and the way it is tested by the kernal developers to > > > decide what really is the best optimization for the ram use. > > > > AFAIK, this is not entirely correct. I've known people running about 768 > > (or something like that).. oh, no, wait. It was 1G of RAM. The problem > > with it is that Win9X cannot use all of it. And also, any more than 512MB > > will only make the machine slower, as Win9x kernels have a memory > > managment so crippled that it can choke by maintaining "too many" process > > tables and memory pages. And no matter how many programs this guy loaded, > > memory usage was never above ~400 MB, and it would even freeze due to > > "lack of resources" without going any further. > > > > Damian Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] building box for sound recording studio
just got a very nice deal to build a box (in the next couple of months, quality is much more important than fast delivery) to run a sound recording studio. I would love to hear suggestions. Budget is to be less than $10,000.00 USD delivered, not including (professional) software. or sound card (will have an Audigy, but the studio owner has some other card he wants in the box along with the Audigy, and that card was over $900.00USD. I figure for about that I ought to be able to create a pretty nice and fast box. this box should be UFW scsi2 raid I guess, and I would love some first hand knowledge of fast-wide scsi2 cards and drives. I am also wondering about places I should be looking to check out some quad zeon mother boards. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] KDE3.1 for MD >= 8.1?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 26 February 2003 04:10 pm, Guy Zelck wrote: > Hello all, > > Will there ever be a KDE3.1 version released for 8.x? I was going to take a shot at setting up a box and trying to build the srpms for KDE3.1 on 8.2, but I see that noone has even voted for this on the Club website, so I am going to stop before I even start. It would seem to me, that since 8.2 came with KDE2.2.2 there would be some work involved, and I am not up to it if there is no one, or just a few people interested. I might feel differently if a hundred people had voted for it on the Club. - -- Greg -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+XjGfGu5uuMFlL5MRAocdAKCAhSbanWObjkuypC5n47nydF0IPQCfUIrD Vgc4SFisBfyY4CAPh7EOs/Y= =ejsb -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] building box for sound recording studio
I wouldn't spend it all on scsi, just get a few large ide drives and use them for storage while doing the work on scsi ( maybe raid5 ). Don't waste money of xeon. If you're going to use applications optimized for sse2 then get pentium4. If not, then get dual athlon mp. Get at least 2gb of ram, the faster the better. I always use athlons, because they work 3 times faster with floating point, but you may not need that. On Thu, 27 Feb 2003, et wrote: > just got a very nice deal to build a box (in the next couple of months, > quality is much more important than fast delivery) to run a sound recording > studio. I would love to hear suggestions. Budget is to be less than > $10,000.00 USD delivered, not including (professional) software. or sound > card (will have an Audigy, but the studio owner has some other card he wants > in the box along with the Audigy, and that card was over $900.00USD. > I figure for about that I ought to be able to create a pretty nice and fast > box. this box should be UFW scsi2 raid I guess, and I would love some first > hand knowledge of fast-wide scsi2 cards and drives. I am also wondering about > places I should be looking to check out some quad zeon mother boards. > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] SMART info from modern disks
On Wed, 2003-02-26 at 17:08, Greg Meyer wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Wednesday 26 February 2003 07:39 pm, Jack Coates wrote: > > I had, but I recently undefined it because everything from contrib fails > > due to glibc incompatibilities. :-P > > Were you trying to use Cooker contrib instead of 9.0 contrib? > - -- > Greg could be. Of course, since I've deleted it... -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?/Is Windows faster on same machine?
et, Win 2k or XP should handle the extra ram OK, while ME or lower won't, and needs the file edits I mentioned to avoid boot problems. Those dual booting with Linux can find out more about windows registry hacks and system file edits by visiting the great axcel216 website for in-depth info, and exact instructions on the subject. Since this is a Linux list, let's leave it at that, and use personal emails for any more windows related stuff, so as not to wander to far off-topic. Robert Crawford On Thursday 27 February 2003 10:25 am, et wrote: > On Thursday 27 February 2003 09:59 am, flacycads wrote: > > Since this little tibit of info in useful if you are dual booting with > > winME/98/95 and Linux with more than 512MB ram, I'll submit it. There is > > no problem with higher versions of windows. > > > > The thing to do is set the MaxFileCache setting in System.ini to 512MB or > > slightly less, and the ConservativeSwapfileUsage=1. That way, windows > > will use up to 512MB before using the swap file, you will eliminate > > windows booting problems, and you can still use all the ram you have over > > 512MB when you boot Linux. > > > > Also helps to increase the spare stack pages from the windows default of > > 2 by adding the line MinSPs=8 (or 12) to the 386Enh section in > > System.ini. There's more of these modifications, and they definitely > > improve windows somewhat, at least to the extent it can be. > > > > I'm new to linux, so I'm wondering if there aren't similar modifications, > > and where they can be applied- I assume probably somewhere in /etc files, > > but I'm really a novice. Or is it generally that Linux is already > > configured correctly in the first place, and none of these type tweaks > > are really needed? > > > > Robert Crawford > > I really like this, thank you. I am going to put those other memsticks in > this afternoon. since i also have win 2k on the box, will I need to make > any changes to it? > As far as MDK goes, when useing either a multi CPU board or more than 1 > gig mem, there are different kernel versions (smp, and enterprise.) but > linux really uses smp and more mem much better than WIn2k. > thanks, > see I learnt something again today... life is good. > et > > > On Wednesday 26 February 2003 09:55 pm, Damian Gatabria wrote: > > > > ehhh, no mater what, or so I have heard, win 9x to win me will NOT > > > > boot with more than 512 megs ram. I can say that for sure with winME. > > > > it is really the way the ram is used, as far as I know, that makes > > > > the differences, that and the way it is tested by the kernal > > > > developers to decide what really is the best optimization for the ram > > > > use. > > > > > > AFAIK, this is not entirely correct. I've known people running about > > > 768 (or something like that).. oh, no, wait. It was 1G of RAM. The > > > problem with it is that Win9X cannot use all of it. And also, any more > > > than 512MB will only make the machine slower, as Win9x kernels have a > > > memory managment so crippled that it can choke by maintaining "too > > > many" process tables and memory pages. And no matter how many programs > > > this guy loaded, memory usage was never above ~400 MB, and it would > > > even freeze due to "lack of resources" without going any further. > > > > > > Damian Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?/Is Windows faster on same machine?
--- flacycads <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > et, > Win 2k or XP should handle the extra ram OK, while ME or lower won't, and > needs the file edits I mentioned to avoid boot problems. Those dual booting > with Linux can find out more about windows registry hacks and system file > edits by visiting the great axcel216 website for in-depth info, and exact > instructions on the subject. Since this is a Linux list, let's leave it at > that, and use personal emails for any more windows related stuff, so as not > to wander to far off-topic. > > Robert Crawford > Saddam Hussein is off topic. Discussions of winblows in conjunction or comparison with Linux are not. LX __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] building box for sound recording studio
On Thursday 27 February 2003 10:53 am, synrat wrote: > I wouldn't spend it all on scsi, just get a few large ide drives and > use them for storage while doing the work on scsi ( maybe raid5 ). > Don't waste money of xeon. If you're going to use applications optimized > for sse2 then get pentium4. If not, then get dual athlon mp. > Get at least 2gb of ram, the faster the better. I always use athlons, > because they work 3 times faster with floating point, but you may not need > that. > > On Thu, 27 Feb 2003, et wrote: > > snip > > this box should be UFW scsi2 raid I guess U160 is closer the norm now although U320 and FC would be faster (but more expensive. UW SCSI2 is slower in some ways than ATA100 (133). I use 15K IBM drives. I get about 45MB actual transfer which is more than enough for video let alone audio. I remember doing 3MB in the bad old days and the pops were always due to the OS messing with the head. There are a lot of motherboards that come with U160 (Adaptec) adapters. I've been using surplus SGI workstation boards at about $70 a pop but you can get a decent Intel server board for $600 As for recording, the most important thing is to record on a drive which is not used by any other process, that way the head stays where you left it. The benchmark for any recording system sb the korg Multitrack which can be purchased for about $400. I've seen many people spend $25,000 and not do any better. Any serious processing will do a lot of FP so I'd take the dual Athlon advice. There are some MSI dual K7 boards with SCSI that can be had for a little over $200. Save your money for the labor you will invest getting the "Marc" or equivalent to work. While many people juggle 16 tracks in mixing I don't know anyone who knows how to use more than 4 input channels. In fact all the old timers I know use one. The multitrack board will probably be a millstone more than an aid to creativity. Of course you need to keep all the tracks in sync and be able to mix and feed them to the performer - that isn't kmix. Jim Tarvid Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] building box for sound recording studio
SCSI is no longer needed for audio recording, a good ATA100/133 drive should be fine. If you're using Cubase or Logic, don't worry about quad processors, both apps can only utilize 2 processors at best (and even then, the performance isn't what it should be). A dual Athlon or P3/P4 will be fine if you want. The real determining factor should be what type of recordings are you going to do. If you're recording live instruments and outboard fx, then your concern should be the hard drive speed and reliability - ATA100/133 or SCSI160 will be your best bets. You can record 24-64 tracks of audio with a p2-300, lots of RAM, fast drives, and a low latency audio interface. Raid isn't necessary. Wasn't necessary back in '98 when we were recording 24 tracks on a p233mmx, isn't necessary now. If you're working with more virtual instruments and fx then you need the processing power, get a fast athlon or p4. If you want, you can offload some of your fx processing to a dsp card. A TC Powercore or Mackie UAD-1 will do nicely for all of your fx needs. At the same time, some audio cards offer dsp for fx and synths too. Look at the Creamware line of cards, they can give you 1ms of latency AND a ton of fx and synths thanks to their Analog Devices SHARC DSP chips. Personally, I record with 100% virtual instruments and fx. I have an AMD Duron 1.1GHZ w/512MB RAM, Audigy MP3+ for my audio card (that will change in march to a nice Creamware Luna II). I run Cubase VST32 5.1 with Win2000. If you have any questions, please feel free to email me. George - Logic7/Subject28 http://www.geocities.com/labwerx -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of et Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 10:29 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [expert] building box for sound recording studio just got a very nice deal to build a box (in the next couple of months, quality is much more important than fast delivery) to run a sound recording studio. I would love to hear suggestions. Budget is to be less than $10,000.00 USD delivered, not including (professional) software. or sound card (will have an Audigy, but the studio owner has some other card he wants in the box along with the Audigy, and that card was over $900.00USD. I figure for about that I ought to be able to create a pretty nice and fast box. this box should be UFW scsi2 raid I guess, and I would love some first hand knowledge of fast-wide scsi2 cards and drives. I am also wondering about places I should be looking to check out some quad zeon mother boards. --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.455 / Virus Database: 255 - Release Date: 2/13/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.455 / Virus Database: 255 - Release Date: 2/13/2003 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?/Is Windows faster on same machine?
On Thursday 27 February 2003 11:44 am, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: > > Saddam Hussein is off topic. Discussions of winblows in conjunction or > comparison with Linux are not. > > LX LX, Point taken. I just thought it might not be appropriate to go into a long involved discourse on tweaking windows here, when probably not that many people dual boot with older windows versions- but I could be wrong. Anyway, all the windows info is spelled out in great detail on the axcel216 site, and there is a lot of it. Robert Crawford > > __ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] kernel panic after defrag in WinjMe
OK, let's go safe first. Before doing ANYTHING more make a partition table copy just in case it gets even worse: 1) Boot a linux (for example th rescue cd you have). 2) Insert a spare floppy disk 3) (As root) dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/fd0 bs=512 count=64 Fine, so you have now a copy of your harddisk boot and table partition (the damaged one). Now let's start playing Write down in a paper sheet the guessed partitions and then run parted from the rescue linux: parted /dev/hda To see what you have rigth now type: print then remove every partition you have except 1 and 2 (Windows and extended one): rm minor_number where minor_number is the number in the first column of the partition to erase. When you are done, just create the new ones with guessed starts and ends: mkpart ext2/ext3/reiserfs/what-ever-you-had guessed_start guessed_stop mkpart linux-swap guessed_swap_start guessed_swap_stop To exit just type: quit To know more about parted type man parted or just type help inside parted. Good luck. El mar, 25-02-2003 a las 17:40, antonio rodriguez escribió: > Dear All, > > I've downloaded and run gpart, but I'm not getting the results I > expected. By the moment lilo works. I've enterede in rescue mode with > cd1. So I'm able to work in rescue mode, but gpart gives to me: > > *Waarning partition (Extended DOS, LBA) ends beyond disk end,. > Number of inconsistencies found: 1 > > Guessed primary parttion table: > Primary partition(1): > DOS or Windows > > Primary partition(2): > Extended DOS > > Primary partition(unused): > > Primary partition(unused): > > So what's the following? > > Cheers, > > Antonio > > go to freshmeat grab gparted put it on a floppy and let it try and > > "rediscover" your partitions again. Then replace your winME with 2000 > > *grin*.. > > > > James > > > > > > On Tue, 2003-02-25 at 01:46, antonio rodriguez wrote: > > > Dear All, > > > > > > I have Mandrake Linux 8.1 installed on a Duron sharing the hard disk > > > with WinMe. After defrag WinMe I found that I couldn't boot Linux > > > because of a kernel panic. Entering in rescue mode I've ran fdisk so > my > > > new partition table has only two sections: > > > > > > /dev/hda1/Win95 FAT32 (LBA) > > > /dev/hda2/Extended > > > > > > How do I could fix this problem in order to have my old 3 partitions > (W, > > > Linux and Linux swap)? > > > > > > Any hints appreciated > > > > > > THanks in advance > > > > > > Antonio Rodriguez > > > > > > > > > --- > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > Version: 6.0.455 / Virus Database: 255 - Release Date: 13/02/03 > > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > > > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.455 / Virus Database: 255 - Release Date: 13/02/03 > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com ___ Yahoo! Móviles Personaliza tu móvil con tu logo y melodía favorito en http://moviles.yahoo.es Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Cannot compile against QT2
* I'm using a Mandrake 8.2 and I cannot compile against QT libs, I have tryied some source installation applications like vcdimager and the result is always the same: checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 2.2.2) (libraries) not found. Please check your installation! For more details about this problem, look at the end of config.log. * To check everything is OK: >rpm -qa | grep -i qt qt2-designer-2.3.1-29mdk libqt2-devel-2.3.1-29mdk unixODBC-gui-qt-2.2.0-1mdk libqt3-3.0.2-2mdk libqt2-2.3.1-29mdk qtrans-0.1.1-7mdk >ls -ld /usr/lib/qt* lrwxrwxrwx1 root root 12 feb 27 18:17 /usr/lib/qt -> /usr/lib/qt2/ drwxr-xr-x7 root root 168 mar 2 2002 /usr/lib/qt2/ drwxr-xr-x3 root root 72 mar 2 2002 /usr/lib/qt3/ >set | grep -i QT QTDIR=/usr/lib/qt2 QT_DIR=/usr/lib/qt2 QT_XFT=0 >set | grep -i kde KDEDIR=/usr/lib/kde2 * I have also tried without luck: ./configure --enable-mt --with-qt-dirs=/usr/lib/qt Thanks FYI and your hep. ___ Yahoo! Móviles Personaliza tu móvil con tu logo y melodía favorito en http://moviles.yahoo.es Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?/Is Windows faster on same machine?
--- flacycads <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thursday 27 February 2003 11:44 am, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: > > > > Saddam Hussein is off topic. Discussions of winblows in conjunction or > > comparison with Linux are not. > > > > LX > > LX, > Point taken. > > I just thought it might not be appropriate to go into a long involved > discourse on tweaking windows here, when probably not that many people dual > boot with older windows versions- but I could be wrong. Anyway, all the > windows info is spelled out in great detail on the axcel216 site, and there > is a lot of it. > > Robert Crawford Robert, Nobody would like to see winblows gone more than me, believe me. But until it does go, we've got to work with it and continue to use our collective mental talents here to help replace it with (hopefully) Mandrake Linux. As we grease the rails for those peeps here trying to dual boot, we also pave the way for winblows to be permanently replaced. That's what I think of when I consider the dual booters and the resultant collateral chatter. It's always possible that collateral (winblows) chatter can get out of hand. But among a bunch of Mandrakians?(term=Carroll Grigsby) Unless we have an influx of winblows trolls again, we probably won't have those worries. ;) Best regards, LX __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Slipstreaming 9.0 Updates
On Wednesday 26 February 2003 10:51 pm, Tom wrote: > On Thursday 20 February 2003 12:41 am, Greg Meyer wrote: > > Does anybody know how I would create a slipstreamed set of installation > > disks for 9.0 that included all the security updates. Is it as easy as > > copying the new packages to the cd images and removing the older version? > > or is there some kind of remastering process that must happen? > > Greg,please excuse my ignorance, but what do you mean by "slipstreamed" ? I > have not heard of that term. I dunno what slipstream means either, but, I will hazard a guess about updating the CDs-- make directories, replace packages ./gendepslist to make a new hdlist.cz, then install once and make3 a floppy of the package selections, since the categorical selections will no longer relate to the packages. I personally make an install completion CD to run the updates off a fourth CD after the regular install is done (plus Java, RealPlayer, Yahoo Instant Messenger, etc) with a very short Python routine that calls rpm for each of the packages and after checking that user desktops have been activated puts icons on the desktop for a few items that don't go on menu. I also add some menu entries for the simplified menu cause I want OpenOffice to pop up there instead of KOffice or the Gnome stuff. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?/Is Windows faster on same machine?
On Thursday 27 February 2003 12:56 pm, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: > Nobody would like to see winblows gone more than me, believe me. But until > it does go, we've got to work with it and continue to use our collective > mental talents here to help replace it with (hopefully) Mandrake Linux. As > we grease the rails for those peeps here trying to dual boot, we also pave > the way for winblows to be permanently replaced. That's what I think of > when I consider the dual booters and the resultant collateral chatter. > i am not so sure dual-booting is the answer i ran dual boots from 1995 to summer 2000 it wasn't until i dropped windows that i started making any progress on the desktop a $200 box will do an adequate job of running either Linux or that other OS Linux gets cold when it is on the other partition. jim tarvid Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] change hostname
1. The minimal (mandatory) setting for /etc/hosts is: 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost More can be added but it must at least be as above because this is one way that your computer finds other computers. This setting enables the system to find itself. Thus, if you change or delete it, you got trouble. 2. [EMAIL PROTECTED] root]# cat /etc/sysconfig/network NETWORKING=yes HOSTNAME=dude.mcgnarly.net DOMAINNAME=dude.mcgnarly.net GATEWAYDEV=eth0 FORWARD_IPV4=true Change the 'HOSTNAME=' value to "buddy". 3. At this point you can either restart or as root you can use the hostname command as below: hostname buddy 4. Note that sometimes logging onto an Interent Service Provider can cause your hostname to change regardless depending on how they have things set up. David McGlone wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 How do I change my hostname from localhost.localdomain to Buddy? I changed /etc/hosts, and hostmdkgiorig, and it was still localhost.localdomain Thanks - -- David M. Edification Web Solutions http://www.edificationweb.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+XZdUAulWMV3BRjARAuegAKCKPos7fhrvcPoDaywyiJ4sUQ/vHwCgj6M4 NXDGjZ2j7uKwU/NyUoeeOME= =vXQE -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] Slipstreaming 9.0 Updates
you should but the CD iso's online for us Mr Civilme that would be a really really handy resource.. regards Franki -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of civileme Sent: Friday, 28 February 2003 1:57 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] Slipstreaming 9.0 Updates On Wednesday 26 February 2003 10:51 pm, Tom wrote: > On Thursday 20 February 2003 12:41 am, Greg Meyer wrote: > > Does anybody know how I would create a slipstreamed set of installation > > disks for 9.0 that included all the security updates. Is it as easy as > > copying the new packages to the cd images and removing the older version? > > or is there some kind of remastering process that must happen? > > Greg,please excuse my ignorance, but what do you mean by "slipstreamed" ? I > have not heard of that term. I dunno what slipstream means either, but, I will hazard a guess about updating the CDs-- make directories, replace packages ./gendepslist to make a new hdlist.cz, then install once and make3 a floppy of the package selections, since the categorical selections will no longer relate to the packages. I personally make an install completion CD to run the updates off a fourth CD after the regular install is done (plus Java, RealPlayer, Yahoo Instant Messenger, etc) with a very short Python routine that calls rpm for each of the packages and after checking that user desktops have been activated puts icons on the desktop for a few items that don't go on menu. I also add some menu entries for the simplified menu cause I want OpenOffice to pop up there instead of KOffice or the Gnome stuff. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] how to disable a USB device to be used by vmware
I would like to disable (maybe temporary or permanent) '/dev/usb/lp1'. this is the divice of an HP OfficeJet v40 which I don't need in linux (mdk9.0) because I can use it only as printer/scanner and not to fax. I would prefer to use under VMware with Win2k as guest system. By this I could use the v40 als as fax device. Any hint is appreciated. W. Kasberg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?/Is Windows faster on same machine?
> > One full minute? Are you sure you're not exaggerating a little bit? I > > don't use OO but use Staroffice now and again and it is slow but it > > certainly doesn't take a minute. I haven't timed it yet but I would be > > suprised if it actually took more than 20 to 30 seconds tops. > > > > My system: athlon 1.1Ghz, 128M ram, MDK 9.0. > > I timed it. > > Athlon 900, 512M ram, Mdk 9.0 > > OOo 31 sec. from cold to blank document > > Anne Well, you guys are probably a lot richer than me :o) my system: Pentium II 400 MHZ, 192 MB RAM. It's less than a whole minute only if i'm doing nothing else (i.e. there's nothing else fighting with OO over the CPU..) but it's still ~45 seconds. Damian -- -- I don't want Windows to be only for the 31173. Yes, we've come a long way from all those security holes, virii, and cryptic commands like "Edit textfile.txt" (what in the hell is that supposed to mean?) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
Kernel 2.4.19-7 Mandrake 9.0 Completely unable to enable dma!! No its not kernel options (These are correct). Why? Because I moved drive(therefore same linux install) to similar PC (exactly similar), and I am able to set dma on/off on the fly. Only one this ONE particular node, it wont happen!! Other Useful Info (to help me with) lspci output:: 00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82801CA IDE U100 (rev 02) Boot Log (dmesg):: Uniform Multi-Platform E-IDE driver Revision: 6.31 ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with idebus=xx ICH3: IDE controller on PCI bus 00 dev f9 PCI: Device 00:1f.1 not available because of resource collisions ICH3: (ide_setup_pci_device:) Could not enable device. hda: ST380023A, ATA DISK drive [Seagate 80Gb drive] hdc: SR243T, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 14 ide1 at 0x170-0x177,0x376 on irq 15 What I have done so far:: 1. doublechecked kernel options for DMA, enabled! Proved by running install on diff machine. 2. Reset BIOS 3. Tried other twinkling (BIOS) that could have effect. 4. Changed IDE Ribbon cable. 5. Used 3 drives with linux install--All unable to enable using_dma on this one node. SUSPECT? :: 1. Primary IDE controller bad? 2. Resource Collision--How to deal with that? Not sure "with what" the collision is. IDEAS? Clueless yours, Richard [root]# hdparm /dev/hda /dev/hda: multcount= 16 (on) IO_support = 1 (32-bit) unmaskirq= 0 (off) using_dma= 0 (off) keepsettings = 1 (on) readonly = 0 (off) readahead= 8 (on) geometry = 9729/255/63, sectors = 156301488, start = 0 [root]# hdparm -d1 /dev/hda /dev/hda: setting using_dma to 1 (on) HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted using_dma= 0 (off) = __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?/Is Windows faster on same machine?
--- tarvid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thursday 27 February 2003 12:56 pm, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: > > Nobody would like to see winblows gone more than me, believe me. But until > > it does go, we've got to work with it and continue to use our collective > > mental talents here to help replace it with (hopefully) Mandrake Linux. As > > we grease the rails for those peeps here trying to dual boot, we also pave > > the way for winblows to be permanently replaced. That's what I think of > > when I consider the dual booters and the resultant collateral chatter. > > > i am not so sure dual-booting is the answer > i ran dual boots from 1995 to summer 2000 > it wasn't until i dropped windows that i started making any progress on the > desktop a $200 box will do an adequate job of running either Linux or that > other OS > > Linux gets cold when it is on the other partition. > > jim tarvid I don't know about that, Jim. I think that it depends on the individual. I spend 98% of my time in Linux; but there are some things that I still can't do successfully under Linux; such as the creation of backups of copy protected CD's. The CD copy software under Linux is still not sufficiently sophisticated enough to do bit for bit backup copies of game software using newer copy protection schemes. In order to do that you really have to be in touch with the capabilities of your burner; and the Linux stuff isn't there yet, at least in LM82 it wasn't. Perhaps the newer cdrecord (v2.0) has improved. In fact, my impression is that the challenge with cdrecord up until now, at least, has been just to insure flawless replications of standard iso's and non-copy protected cd's, and to keep up with ports to other OS's such as solaris. Raw96r and Raw96p hardware burner modes are supported as of 2.0, but does cdrecord use them to advantage with copy protection schemes such as SafeDisc, SecuROM, LaserLock, or God forbid, TAGES? Won't know until I have another week to test. But I can tell you this; LM82 cdrecord could not. Another thing is gaming. WineX has done invaluable and irreplaceable work when it comes to bringing Linux into the mainstream gaming world, but there is still a ways to go. Baldur's Gate 2 is a good example. In order to network a game with my son, (although I can play single player OK under LM82) I still can't network to his machine for a multiplayer session. Therefore I am forced to boot winblows. Morrowind will not run under WineX, AT ALL. Yet. Same for alot of other games; some companies have the resources to make the attempt to compile their code for two OS's. Some don't. Bioware seems to be willing to make the attempt, but their Linux version of Neverwinter Nights seems to be almost a complete YEAR behind their windows version. By the time linuxers (or Mandrakians) get their copy of the linux NWN client, most of the comraderie and excitement online has vanished, and they are treading over old ground. This is the situation that's going to be whenever I finally see WineX run Morrowind, because I have absolutely refused to run Morrowind under winblows. I never run games under win anymore, unless my son wants to net a game, and then I'm forced to do so. It's sad, but it's reality. WineX goes a long way to getting us users completely under Linux, and in the process saving the developers thousands of dollars of development time. It helps bridge the chasm between the win world and us, giving us even more opportunities, choice, and strength. But it is still an imperfect solution. Till these things and others are worked out, many of us will be forced to run with the devil. LX __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] building box for sound recording studio
On Thursday 27 February 2003 10:53 am, synrat wrote: > I wouldn't spend it all on scsi, just get a few large ide drives and > use them for storage while doing the work on scsi ( maybe raid5 ). > Don't waste money of xeon. If you're going to use applications optimized > for sse2 then get pentium4. If not, then get dual athlon mp. > Get at least 2gb of ram, the faster the better. I always use athlons, > because they work 3 times faster with floating point, but you may not need > that. > > On Thu, 27 Feb 2003, et wrote: > > just got a very nice deal to build a box (in the next couple of months, > > quality is much more important than fast delivery) to run a sound > > recording studio. I would love to hear suggestions. Budget is to be less > > than $10,000.00 USD delivered, not including (professional) software. or > > sound card (will have an Audigy, but the studio owner has some other card > > he wants in the box along with the Audigy, and that card was over > > $900.00USD. I figure for about that I ought to be able to create a pretty > > nice and fast box. this box should be UFW scsi2 raid I guess, and I would > > love some first hand knowledge of fast-wide scsi2 cards and drives. I am > > also wondering about places I should be looking to check out some quad > > zeon mother boards. thanks this is exactly the kinda discussion I was hoping for. got any good clues as to what chipsets to look for, or stay away from? I think (pretty damn sure) they want a SMP board of some sort. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] New Desknote A907
problems I see Chipset is mostly SiS different people have had different levels of luck here. I've had bad others say it works just fine. The battery is separate.(cost and physically) AND expensive. However if you don't need a battery or don't care about carrying around an extra VCR tape size box it's doable. James On Thu, 2003-02-27 at 04:00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hi all, > > I met an ad with this new (sort of) laptop with incredible specs for its low > price (695 EUR here in Spain). > > Does anybody succeed installing MDK or other distros? What's it like > compared to ordinary processors (it's got a Transmeta T5600) > > Cheers, > > Rafa > > > __ > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?/Is Windows faster on samemachine?
On Thu, 2003-02-27 at 06:59, flacycads wrote: > Since this little tibit of info in useful if you are dual booting with > winME/98/95 and Linux with more than 512MB ram, I'll submit it. There is no > problem with higher versions of windows. > > The thing to do is set the MaxFileCache setting in System.ini to 512MB or > slightly less, and the ConservativeSwapfileUsage=1. That way, windows will > use up to 512MB before using the swap file, you will eliminate windows > booting problems, and you can still use all the ram you have over 512MB when > you boot Linux. > > Also helps to increase the spare stack pages from the windows default of 2 by > adding the line MinSPs=8 (or 12) to the 386Enh section in System.ini. There's > more of these modifications, and they definitely improve windows somewhat, at > least to the extent it can be. > > I'm new to linux, so I'm wondering if there aren't similar modifications, and > where they can be applied- I assume probably somewhere in /etc files, but I'm > really a novice. Or is it generally that Linux is already configured > correctly in the first place, and none of these type tweaks are really > needed? > > Robert Crawford In relation to your actual question... With RAM no tweaks are really needed until you get above 4gigs. ... I'd say it's safe to say most of us don't have near that much in the majority of our boxes. Above 1gig the enterprise kernel will improve performance more because it uses the ram more effectively. As for swap. Linux doesn't use a swapfile (it could but doesn't) it uses a swap partition. Dedicated to being only swap and never changing in size. (or on my box never being used either *grin*) The tweaks that seem to be the best on Linux come less with modifying the way it starts and more with modifying the way the hardware works, or in doing heavy changes to the kernel itself (Like low latency kernels, hyper-threading etc.) However for about 90% of the people/usage it's pretty darn optimized out of the box. MDK and the others are pretty good about making things work well together. James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] change hostname
On Thu, 2003-02-27 at 05:44, Praedor Atrebates wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Wednesday 26 February 2003 11:45 pm, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: > > --- David McGlone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > How do I change my hostname from localhost.localdomain to Buddy? > > > > > > I changed /etc/hosts, and hostmdkgiorig, and it was still > > > localhost.localdomain > > > > > > Thanks > > > - -- > > > David M. > > > > Do a "vi" on /etc/sysconfig/network. > > Ugh...vi. ANYTHING but vi. You can also run linuxconf and set it there. You > will then need to restart X or you will find that most/all apps will refuse > to start from the moment you changed the hostname. > > praedor I would take it your an emacs user? *grin*... ok... then for the less command line oriented open it up kate or nedit then. James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.1 Bugreport
On Thu, 2003-02-27 at 01:06, Bryce Conner wrote: > I tried reporting this to Bugzilla and ironically it wouldn't let me > because there is some bug. Warly has been moving the server to a whole new set of Hardware keep trying... He's definitly improving things. > > I have installed 9.1-rc1 on several boxes now and run into the following > problems during install: > > 1) on an ASUS P3V4X P-3 800MHz Adaptec SCSI card, 9.1 GB SCSI drive > > on 2 out of 3 installs, both in normal and expert mode, I get the > following error when it tries to go into "Summary" mode during install: > > An error occurred > Undefined subroutine &main:: called > > It is possible to boot after this but I had to configure a lot of stuff > manually. > > Could this be a bad burn? I don't think so because it installed on a > different, more modern system twice without any problems. Check the bugs on Cooker this one sounds familiar... > > 2) on both systems: > > listing processes shows named to be running 5 times using consecutive > PIDs.since I didn't need named anyhow I just did "chkconfig --del > named" and that went away > > I've lost applications off of the KDE/Gnome menus. KDE Menu Editor will > only run using a console command. The applications are still there and > will start normally using the console. I lost galeon, mozilla, > evolution, and I'm not sure if mandrake control center was ever there or > not, but it isn't anymore if it was. Does update-menus help? > > This was on my P4 box with 768MB of ram. > > Also, there is an annoying feature of printerdrake which doesn't let you > leave the printer name of an LPD server blank. My print server doesn't > have a printer name it is just lpd://192.168.x.x/ so I have to config > CUPS manually. Not a big deal, but it shouldn't require a printer > name. This has been "broken" for a while, because 9.0 does the same > thing. Printerdrake probably has more bugs against it than any other item in the cooker *grin*... they are re-coding like mad right now. keep trying the version in cooker. In fact set your urpmi to get it's updates from cooker and I think a number of your problems will start to disappear. > > That's all I can think of right now... 9.1 looks good but still kind of > raw. Not too surprising. I'll be buying the boxed set when it comes > out, or maybe the Power Pack if I can afford it. Look into buying just the disks from the Mandrake store.. If you don't need the book you get more software for your money this way. > > Cheers, > > Bryce > > > > > > __ > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?/Is Windows faster on samemachine?
"Well, you guys are probably a lot richer than me :o) my system: Pentium II 400 MHZ, 192 MB RAM. It's less than a whole minute only if i'm doing nothing else (i.e. there's nothing else fighting with OO over the CPU..) but it's still ~45 seconds. Damian" Not really, my 1.1GHz Duron only cost me $130 to build the system: $50 for the processor, retail pack, $29 for the ASUS K7V Raid board, and $50 for the new case and power supply. I simply moved all of my components from my old P3-450 to the new Duron and reinstalled my OS's. Anywho, I've noticed that recent versions os Mandrake are a lot slower at things than windows 2000. I hold mdk7.2 as my personal benchmark for speed and stability and, IMO, no other version after that can stand up to it. I have noticed, tho, that this is not limited to just Mandrake. RedHat has the same problem, each successive version is slower. I've been trying out each new version of Mandrake and RH on a p166 w/64MB or 128MB of RAM just to see what kind of performance I can expect on low end machines. Right now, mandrake 9 is useable with Windowmaker, BlackBox, XFCE, FWM, and IceWM. KDE and Gnome are almost useless with this configuration, especially if I only have 64MB in it. Now, some of you might ask "Why is he trying to run MDK x.x on a p166?". The answer is that a lot of my customers have these old machines. I don't sell windows and won't put my personal copy on someone else's machine. If I'm working on someone's old pc and they need an OS, I tell 'em about linux. If they go for it, I set it up, show 'em what's what, and almost never hear from 'em again. I keep RH 6.2 and Mandrake 7 for 486 around for anyone with a 486 that wants linux. It's frustrating that I can't give these people the "latest, greatest" stuff 'cause it'll run too slow. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.455 / Virus Database: 255 - Release Date: 2/13/2003 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Slipstreaming 9.0 Updates
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 27 February 2003 12:56 pm, civileme wrote: > I dunno what slipstream means either, but, I will hazard a guess about > updating the CDs-- make directories, replace packages ./gendepslist to > make a new hdlist.cz, then install once and make3 a floppy of the package > selections, since the categorical selections will no longer relate to the > packages. Civileme has got it, and provided exactly the info I was after. I have to apologize though, I believe slipstream is a term Microsoft uses when it updates it's install CD's with the latest Service Packs. I wanted to do the same with my Mandrake disks. This is not a problem in my house, because I keep a local update mirror, but if I am at a friend's house, it would allow me to save some time. - -- Greg -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+XnnZGu5uuMFlL5MRAqMWAKCEz4Bqs3AHpDNZNCi0owAELE2ZlACfWnSY 5jDsznt8QPePZe05w5FqehM= =bgsg -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Cannot compile against QT2
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 27 February 2003 12:50 pm, diego wrote: > >rpm -qa | grep -i qt > > qt2-designer-2.3.1-29mdk > libqt2-devel-2.3.1-29mdk > unixODBC-gui-qt-2.2.0-1mdk > libqt3-3.0.2-2mdk > libqt2-2.3.1-29mdk > qtrans-0.1.1-7mdk I was going to say you need libqt2-devel, but as I looked closer I see that is already there. What I do find interesting is that you have qt3 and qt2 installed. I wonder if the config process is finding qt3 first and erroring out because it is confused. I don't remember the syntax, but I think you can tell the configure script a path to the qt2 library you want to use. Perhaps someone else can jump inhere and help me help you. - -- Greg -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+XnrQGu5uuMFlL5MRAvHqAJ4pykqPoMJmqylsr5Qm5QLp1n+VTgCcCMiv zTjkeFkPXEpfk/EIYIRX5sw= =o5BA -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] New Desknote A907
Not really. It's a bit over $100, in line with LiIons of other laptops. Also, has much longer run time than most comparable batteries. Not great, but it's doable and you end up with a good machine for far less than a true notebook would cost you. Terry > The battery is separate.(cost and physically) AND expensive. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] KDE3.1 for MD >= 8.1?
Greg Meyer wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 26 February 2003 04:10 pm, Guy Zelck wrote: Hello all, Will there ever be a KDE3.1 version released for 8.x? I was going to take a shot at setting up a box and trying to build the srpms for KDE3.1 on 8.2, but I see that noone has even voted for this on the Club website, so I am going to stop before I even start. Why do you need votes do do something? Just do it or don't. It would seem to me, that since 8.2 came with KDE2.2.2 there would be some work involved, and I am not up to it if there is no one, If it came with 3.1 there wouldn't be any work involved now would it? or just a few people interested. I might feel differently if a hundred people had voted for it on the Club. O com'on, politician! Go for president instead. You have my vote. Guy. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] KDE3.1 for MD >= 8.1?
Greg Meyer wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 26 February 2003 04:10 pm, Guy Zelck wrote: Tibbetts, Ric wrote: If you want the newest software, run the new versions, And change every 6 months, no thanks! Now that we finally got all our 3rd party s.w. working like vpn clients (cicso, freeswan), vmware workstations, banking software, NVIDIA drivers, sound drivers... to name but a few. Do you think those suppliers are happy with having to support 50 versions of their product on their website for Liniux? And what about those new users, how do you expect them to cope with ever changing versions and get orientated? It's hard enough for them to get on board in the 1st place. When the poor guys ask for help it's o so easy to tell them 'upgrade'. There are also a lot of people who want to put their system to good use once it's up and has most of what they need working and not having to think about doing it all over again in 6 mths. Sounds to me like you are a candidate for Debian stable, slow and steady, no real upgrades for years. Of course they are on KDE 2.2.2 still, so that won't do. You haven't even looked on the KDE download page then? Debian have 3.1 alright. Where's Mandrake on that page? OR: Go get KDE x.xx and install it yourself! Yes, lets to the same work a thousand times over! In stead of Mandrake doing it just once and sharing it with their community. Very smart... Or you do it and share it with the community so that they do not have to do it a thousand times over. Become a Club volunteer and package KDE3.1 for club members, I bet you would get a VIP membership out of it. Why just for club members? That's another development and attitude I don't like. I couldn't care less about a VIP membership. Stuff that! If I'll do it it will be for all. If I support Mandrake I do it out of gratitude, not because I want to be better treated than someone who doesn't. That's so against the free and open spirit of the open source community that made Linux possible in the 1st place. How can you people continue to push Mandrake to release the newest software for old releases, AND expect them to put out new releases?!?! How are we pushing when we are holding on to our "older" (I hate to use that word) releases? What is harder, compiling a few major apps or a whole release? Yes, I agree (in part) that the release cycle is too fast. They have developed the habit of moving on to the next version, before they get the current one, up to date, and working (se my last post on this). I believe they keep it working (security updates, major bugfixes), They do that, which is good. but up to date may be another story. You can't expect them to keep everything up to date. I'm reasonable enough not to expect that. By learning the rpm package format there's already a lot that I've packaged. But major stuff like KDE that make your life on the desktop more enjoyable would be nice. Why were the kde3.1 release candidates available and not the final thing? I would assume that they believe that is what the new distro is for. In essence saying, "if you want the new stuff run the new distro, and if you want new stuff for the old distro, join the Club, but if it is older than 12 months, we don't know what it is." Don't expect that a membership will offer you all. I'm not the only one who's thinking that. Don't get me wrong, I loved Mandrake since 6.x . In stead of having a big following for one release you end up with many small ones. Now there's even more divisions with the non-club, standard, silver and golden categories. This is not good for support. It's not good for Mandrake either having to adapt their thinking or solutions to so many versions. It's making everybody's live hard. Which is exactly why they are going to support only two prior releases as per their new product life initiative. Slow down is what they ought to do. There are strong arguments for lengthening the release cycle and providing more software updates between releases, but that is not what Mandrake is doing right now. Don't tell me. Subsequently, it is not us you have to convince, but MandrakeSoft. Well, join us. Cheers, Guy. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] gftp & ssh2 - problems connecting.
I'm using LM8.2 & 9.0. I'm trying to use gftp to securely connect via ssh2 but I keep getting the message below. Is there something more to this? The gftp in my Redhat box works fine in ssh2 mode but what's wrong with Mandrake's gftp? 3: Protocol Initialization Error: Message size 1936943199 too big from server Disconnecting from site 192.168.0.248 Received wrong response from server, disconnecting Waiting 30 seconds until trying to connect again Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] change hostname
On Fri, 2003-02-28 at 09:23, James Sparenberg wrote: > I would take it your an emacs user? *grin*... ok... then for the less > command line oriented open it up kate or nedit then. This suggestion only works when the user has not already screwed up the host name :-) I helped someone a few days ago who had http://www as their host name -- KDE wouldn't start, and gnome had it's problems too. Then with emacs it is sometimes necessary to explain that ctrl-x ctrl-s means you have to hold down the control key and hit x, and repeat for s.. anyway, in the end we solved the problem. BTW this user was also affected by her old CDROM being unable to read the 700MB CDs properly! Damon -- Damon Lynch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] change hostname
On Thursday 27 February 2003 01:08 pm, Jim C wrote: > HOSTNAME=dude.mcgnarly.net > DOMAINNAME=dude.mcgnarly.net Hmm, my DOMAINNAME here doesn't have the full hostname, only the last bit. My HOSTNAME is "darkforce.ky.org" so its "ky.org" under DOMAINNAME. Is that wrong, should I change it? Thanks... -- /\ Dark< >Lord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?/Is Windows faster on same machine?
On Thursday 27 February 2003 12:56 pm, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: > Nobody would like to see winblows gone more than me, believe me. > LX Or me! -- /\ Dark< >Lord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?/Is Windows faster on same machine?
James, Thanks for the info on Linux memory usage- that's really good stuff to know. And I do agree, Mandrake is very good right out of the box- it's definitely the best distro I've used so far, and I find it ridiculous when people talk about Mandrake's "bloated OS." Their kernel is certainly not bloated, as most of the options are modules, and just because you have a lot of packages installed on your hard drive doesn't mean they are all loaded at any given time- to me, it just seems irrelevant to any concept of a "bloated OS. I just don't get what these people mean by Mandrake is "bloated." I guess without thinking I got into a habit of calling the swap partition "swapfile," as I always put the windows swapfile on it's own partition. I have been experimenting with preemptive/low-latency kernels a little bit, and am gradually gaining a little knowledge on this aspect- can't wait for the 2.6 kernel to be released. Robert C. On Thursday 27 February 2003 03:20 pm, James Sparenberg wrote: > On Thu, 2003-02-27 at 06:59, flacycads wrote: > > Since this little tibit of info in useful if you are dual booting with > > winME/98/95 and Linux with more than 512MB ram, I'll submit it. There is > > no problem with higher versions of windows. > > > > The thing to do is set the MaxFileCache setting in System.ini to 512MB or > > > Robert Crawford > > In relation to your actual question... With RAM no tweaks are really > needed until you get above 4gigs. ... I'd say it's safe to say most of > us don't have near that much in the majority of our boxes. Above 1gig > the enterprise kernel will improve performance more because it uses the > ram more effectively. As for swap. Linux doesn't use a swapfile (it > could but doesn't) it uses a swap partition. Dedicated to being only > swap and never changing in size. (or on my box never being used > either *grin*) The tweaks that seem to be the best on Linux come > less with modifying the way it starts and more with modifying the way > the hardware works, or in doing heavy changes to the kernel itself (Like > low latency kernels, hyper-threading etc.) However for about 90% of the > people/usage it's pretty darn optimized out of the box. MDK and the > others are pretty good about making things work well together. > > James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] KDE3.1 for MD >= 8.1?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 27 February 2003 04:03 pm, Guy Zelck wrote: > > > >I was going to take a shot at setting up a box and trying to build the > > srpms for KDE3.1 on 8.2, but I see that noone has even voted for this on > > the Club website, so I am going to stop before I even start. > > Why do you need votes do do something? Just do it or don't. > Because there is nothing in it for me other than the satisfaction of helping, I would want to spend the time only if there was enough demand for it. I don't want to spend 24 hours packaging KDE3.1 for 8.2 (assuming everything goes smoothly) for nobody. And since 8.2 packages won't even help you (I believe you are 8.1), I cannot even claim one person that would want them. > > It would seem to me, > >that since 8.2 came with KDE2.2.2 there would be some work involved, and I > > am not up to it if there is no one, > > If it came with 3.1 there wouldn't be any work involved now would it? > But KDE 3.1 was not out yet when 8.2 was released :-) > O com'on, politician! Go for president instead. You have my vote. > No thanks, way too much pressure.. - -- Greg -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+XoT+Gu5uuMFlL5MRAuSVAKCDSkf+ZDGMfki1l7lIP4XRHOeQ5QCeJxWg T5FmQeCmx5NmSG7Q9qBln68= =iV9H -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?/Is Windows faster on same machine?
On Thursday 27 February 2003 02:40 pm, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: > Another thing is gaming. WineX has done invaluable and irreplaceable work > when it comes to bringing Linux into the mainstream gaming world, but there > is still a ways to go. Baldur's Gate 2 is a good example. In order to > network a game with my son, (although I can play single player OK under > LM82) I still can't network to his machine for a multiplayer session. > Therefore I am forced to boot winblows. Morrowind will not run under WineX, > AT ALL. Yet. Same for alot of other games; some companies have the > resources to make the attempt to compile their code for two OS's. Some > don't. Bioware seems to be willing to make the attempt, but their Linux > version of Neverwinter Nights seems to be almost a complete YEAR behind > their windows version. By the time linuxers (or Mandrakians) get their > copy of the linux NWN client, most of the comraderie and excitement online > has vanished, and they are treading over old ground. This is the situation > that's going to be whenever I finally see WineX run Morrowind, because I > have absolutely refused to run Morrowind under winblows. I never run games > under win anymore, unless my son wants to net a game, and then I'm forced > to do so. It's sad, but it's reality. Ditto here. Well, I refuse to dual-boot (but I'm not bashing anyone for doing it - I understand). I did dual-boot for quite some time. Once WineX did run the games we networked with regularity (hmm, started to sound like a fiber ad here! ) I ditched it. LX, you probably already know this but Linux games and the Linux Games Tomb are both reporting an update to the Neverwinter Nights Linux page, seems they are about to release the public beta. If they are being honest. I hope they are - this is one of the major releases I'm just dying to get. > WineX goes a long way to getting us users completely under Linux, and in > the process saving the developers thousands of dollars of development time. > It helps bridge the chasm between the win world and us, giving us even > more opportunities, choice, and strength. But it is still an imperfect > solution. Till these things and others are worked out, many of us will be > forced to run with the devil. > > LX Yep, that about sums it all up. :-) -- /\ Dark< >Lord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] KDE3.1 for MD >= 8.1?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 27 February 2003 03:56 pm, Guy Zelck wrote: > > > >Sounds to me like you are a candidate for Debian stable, slow and steady, > > no real upgrades for years. Of course they are on KDE 2.2.2 still, so > > that won't do. > > You haven't even looked on the KDE download page then? Debian have 3.1 > alright. Where's Mandrake on that page? > deb's available there are not official, they were packaged by a volunteer and there are a lot more people running Debian stable than people running Mandrake 8.x > > Why just for club members? That's another development and attitude I > don't like. I couldn't care less about a VIP membership. Stuff that! > If I'll do it it will be for all. If I support Mandrake I do it out of > gratitude, not because I want to be better treated than someone who > doesn't. That's so against the free and open spirit of the open source > community that made Linux possible in the 1st place. > Because Club members pay for the development and as a for-profit comapny, MandrakeSoft cannot afford to provide services for free. If you don't like that Mandrake is a for-profit company and wants to sell it's services, again, use a distro that is community based like Debian. > > new distro, and if you want new stuff for the old distro, join the Club, > > but if it is older than 12 months, we don't know what it is." > > Don't expect that a membership will offer you all. > It may make sure there is a Mandrake Distribution in the future though. > >>for support. It's not good for Mandrake either having to adapt their > >>thinking or solutions to so many versions. It's making everybody's live > >>hard. > > > >Which is exactly why they are going to support only two prior releases as > > per their new product life initiative. > > Slow down is what they ought to do. > I agree they should slow down, but I don't think they should go as slow as you are proposing. - -- Greg -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+XoaOGu5uuMFlL5MRAvLcAJ9g5U7zDuhomEmxlPdodTtQRNc1HgCbBZc2 U6Gh5G1eXz+nIlwI+4VKtLg= =ZeKg -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?/Is Windows faster on same machine?
On Thursday 27 February 2003 20:40, Lyvim Xaphir wrote:
> WineX goes a long way to getting us users completely under Linux, and in
> the process saving the developers thousands of dollars of development time.
> It helps bridge the chasm between the win world and us, giving us even
> more opportunities, choice, and strength. But it is still an imperfect
> solution. Till these things and others are worked out, many of us will be
> forced to run with the devil.
>
> LX
Lyvim,
I can stat what you're saying, especially the imperfectness of these solutions
but no-one's forcing you hereit's freedom of choice!
In comparison: If I want to drive a Ferrari instead of my ol' Honda civic
('91), I'll have to mortgage my house or my ship and "sell" my soul to the
banks.
So I happily enjoy both mortgage-free objects and the freedom that gives me
whilst being overtaken by those red gadgets on the left lane.
And loving every minute of it whilst using 'gpsdrive' to find my way
round.=:o)
Good luck,
Harm
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Re: [expert] gftp & ssh2 - problems connecting.
> I'm using LM8.2 & 9.0. I'm trying to use gftp to securely connect via > ssh2 but I keep getting the message below. Is there something more to > this? The gftp in my Redhat box works fine in ssh2 mode but what's > wrong with Mandrake's gftp? > > 3: Protocol Initialization > Error: Message size 1936943199 too big from server > Disconnecting from site 192.168.0.248 > Received wrong response from server, disconnecting > Waiting 30 seconds until trying to connect again > I have exactly the same problem with gftp and I am also unable to use other gui front ends. Below follows the message I had send here before. So far I had no answers but I guess a lot of people has the same problem. Best regards Gustavo Hello, Does someone know of a working scp/sftp frontend on mandrake 9.0 ? I found the konqueror support is working for "get" but broken for "put" (that is reported under kde.bugs.org). Also, gftp wich supports ssh2 does not work, since it relies on the sftp-server binary on the remote machine which does not exist in all ssh server distributions. I tried to install kio_fish, but if using urpmi, it wants to install the kde 3.1 contrib packages (experience tells me that kde upgrades allways break something that was working before :-) ). Manually compiling kio_fish requires lib-qt-devel whoses dependencies are calculated in such a way the uprmi/drakconf wants to install postgresSql an other (apparently) unrelated packages !! If someone knows a solution for this, I'd be grateful. Best regards Gustavo Homem --- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Cannot compile against QT2
On Fri, 28 Feb 2003 6:53 am, Greg Meyer wrote: > On Thursday 27 February 2003 12:50 pm, diego wrote: > > >rpm -qa | grep -i qt > > > > qt2-designer-2.3.1-29mdk > > libqt2-devel-2.3.1-29mdk > > unixODBC-gui-qt-2.2.0-1mdk > > libqt3-3.0.2-2mdk > > libqt2-2.3.1-29mdk > > qtrans-0.1.1-7mdk > > I was going to say you need libqt2-devel, but as I looked closer I see that > is already there. What I do find interesting is that you have qt3 and qt2 > installed. I wonder if the config process is finding qt3 first and > erroring out because it is confused. I don't remember the syntax, but I > think you can tell the configure script a path to the qt2 library you want > to use. Perhaps someone else can jump inhere and help me help you. I had a little trouble compiling with the qt frontend on mandrake 9 I found this worked: $./configure --with-frontend=qt --with-qt-dir=/usr/lib/qt3 In your case it will probably be /usr/lib/qt or /usr/lib/qt2 Michael Biddulph Brisbane Australia Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?/Is Windows faster on same machine?
On Thursday 27 February 2003 21:45, logic7 wrote: > I hold mdk7.2 as my personal benchmark for speed > and stability and, IMO, no other version after that can stand up to it. I > have noticed, tho, that this is not limited to just Mandrake. RedHat has > the same problem, each successive version is slower. I've been trying out > each new version of Mandrake and RH on a p166 w/64MB or 128MB of RAM just > to see That's strange, I have just the opposite experience. Agreeing with you that 7.2 was an exceptionally good release (and can hardly wait for 9.2 - it's the odd numbers I bet) I found that 8.2 and higher gave much better performance on low end P166's. AFAIK this was mostly due to Xfree4.2 on the gui side. Running KDE2.2 with Mandrake8.0 was already too much. KDE3.1 apps (not the whole desktop!) runs ever so slow.but runs on the same machine. Without gui it's just faster than 7.2 whilst 8.0 and 8.1 swapped themselves to a dreary death. Good luck, HarM Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] change hostname
This would depend on whether or not DOMAINNAME is a fully qualified domain name (FQDN) of which I am not certian. Mine works fine though so perhaps it is. Jim C. HOSTNAME=dude.mcgnarly.net DOMAINNAME=dude.mcgnarly.net Hmm, my DOMAINNAME here doesn't have the full hostname, only the last bit. My HOSTNAME is "darkforce.ky.org" so its "ky.org" under DOMAINNAME. Is that wrong, should I change it? Thanks... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] building box for sound recording studio
I'm not entirely sure but this might be the sort or thing a MOSIX cluster would be good for. Jim C. et wrote: On Thursday 27 February 2003 10:53 am, synrat wrote: I wouldn't spend it all on scsi, just get a few large ide drives and use them for storage while doing the work on scsi ( maybe raid5 ). Don't waste money of xeon. If you're going to use applications optimized for sse2 then get pentium4. If not, then get dual athlon mp. Get at least 2gb of ram, the faster the better. I always use athlons, because they work 3 times faster with floating point, but you may not need that. On Thu, 27 Feb 2003, et wrote: just got a very nice deal to build a box (in the next couple of months, quality is much more important than fast delivery) to run a sound recording studio. I would love to hear suggestions. Budget is to be less than $10,000.00 USD delivered, not including (professional) software. or sound card (will have an Audigy, but the studio owner has some other card he wants in the box along with the Audigy, and that card was over $900.00USD. I figure for about that I ought to be able to create a pretty nice and fast box. this box should be UFW scsi2 raid I guess, and I would love some first hand knowledge of fast-wide scsi2 cards and drives. I am also wondering about places I should be looking to check out some quad zeon mother boards. thanks this is exactly the kinda discussion I was hoping for. got any good clues as to what chipsets to look for, or stay away from? I think (pretty damn sure) they want a SMP board of some sort. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Automatic e-mail notification
Is there a simple way to be notified automatically notified of incoming email? I'm using kmail (by default), and tried to play around with korn, which doesn't seem to do anything. Is there an easy way to do this? thanks, Dan Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Automatic e-mail notification
On Friday 28 February 2003 00:06, Daniel Axtell wrote: > Is there a simple way to be notified automatically notified of incoming > email? I'm using kmail (by default), and tried to play around with korn, > which doesn't seem to do anything. Is there an easy way to do this? > > thanks, > > Dan you could reach this with a combination of fetchmail and korn as far as I know. fetchmail would fetch the mail and korn would look at local folders for new mail. Looking at the fetched mails is possible then with kmail -- Regards Steffen counter.li.org : #296567. machine: 181800 vdr-box : 87 Please dont CC me, since if I have replied I'll watch the tread. Both mails will be filtered to the ML-folder. Thanks Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Automatic e-mail notification
gkrellm works for me. Korn looks like it's supposed to do what you want. On Thu, 2003-02-27 at 15:06, Daniel Axtell wrote: > Is there a simple way to be notified automatically notified of incoming email? > I'm using kmail (by default), and tried to play around with korn, which > doesn't seem to do anything. Is there an easy way to do this? > > thanks, > > Dan > > > __ > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Multiple RAID devices
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Has anybody here ever tried to setup multiple RAID devices on a single RAID controller? A good example is a box with an Adaptec I2O card with 5 drives in the machine in RAID array 0, then an external box with an additional 7 drives that are in another RAID array (RAID array 1). On a Mandrake 8.2 box with only RAID array 0, it boots up just fine. If we plug in the external drive box, lilo dies after about 2 dots worth of loading. Interestingly, "dies" is not the correct term. Instead, it restarts lilo. Weird. Booted into rescue mode with the external drive box connected and I could see the partition as /dev/sdb1. Oddly, I got a bus error if I tried to look at the partition of /dev/sda1. Now here's the fun part. Installed a second Adaptec I2O card and connected only the external drive box so that RAID array 0 is connected to RAID controller 0 and RAID array 1 is connected to RAID controller 1. It boots up and runs just fine. My hardware guy felt that the Northbridge was being "overloaded". I dunno about that, but this I do know: it definitely is in the hardware and not Linux, because when the error occurs with lilo, it has not yet gotten to the part where it's started running Linux yet. An even stranger twist, this same external drive box works just fine when connected to a different machine with the same Adaptec I2O controller but only 3 drives as the RAID array 0. The system boots up just fine in that configuration. Has anybody else: 1) Ever attempted anything like this? 2) Ever seen this? 3) Got a reasonable explanation for this? No need to say "the motherboard of the first system". That's a no brainer. What I want to know is _why_! Blue skies... Todd - -- | MandrakeSoft USA | Security is like an onion. It's made | | http://www.mandrakesoft.com | made up of several layers and makes | | http://www.mandrakelinux.com | you cry. --Howard Chu| Mandrake Cooker Devel Version, Kernel 2.4.21pre4-10mdk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+Xp3Clp7v05cW2woRAjccAJ42KmAeYZeCww1cXYpa9baS3quUjwCfcrj7 j/vxQk0FoVCoXsrs5xi90kI= =LZ8m -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 flacycads wrote on Wed, Feb 26, 2003 at 12:36:14AM -0500 : > > However, my experience on several dual boot boxes with different versions of > windows and Linux has always been that overall computer performance is > significantly better when booted to windows. I'm sorry, but that's what > happens- there's no question about it. Of course I do have any windows > installation I run highly tweaked and tuned to perfection( as good as is > possible), and perhaps I can tweak my Linux installs a little more than I > presently have. Is hdparm installed? What's the result of 'hdparm -tT /dev/hda'? If less than 25 MB/sec, then edit /etc/sysconfig/harddisks and uncomment all the different modes and reboot. Run the hdparm test again. I actually have one box where enabling all the stuff made it run _slower_, but that's a rarity. Normally, it picks the raw read rate up from about 8 MB/sec to 25-35 MB/sec. Blue skies... Todd - -- | MandrakeSoft USA | Sometimes you get what you want. | | http://www.mandrakesoft.com | Sometimes you get experience.| | http://www.mandrakelinux.com |--unknown origin | Mandrake Cooker Devel Version, Kernel 2.4.21pre4-10mdk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+XqBllp7v05cW2woRAnJcAJ9TouM+8SSoJEQLz1PliKZJ1IX6jwCeKWra u1hIPWPtkdM9epn1CWEOpk8= =8NSb -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Multiple RAID devices
On Friday 28 February 2003 00:22, Todd Lyons wrote: > Has anybody else: > 1) Ever attempted anything like this? > 2) Ever seen this? > 3) Got a reasonable explanation for this? A bad termination at the raid5 drives could cause such bad behavior I guess. if the extern box is not plugged in the reflection could be enough. Another problem could be a bad termination of the extern box and the second controller/mb can handle it better. Beware the only thing I have on my scsi card is my scanner ;) -- Regards Steffen counter.li.org : #296567. machine: 181800 vdr-box : 87 Please dont CC me, since if I have replied I'll watch the tread. Both mails will be filtered to the ML-folder. Thanks Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?/Is Windows faster on same machine?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Vahur Lokk wrote on Thu, Feb 27, 2003 at 10:00:15AM +0200 : > No. The perfomance is not comparable even then. I write this mail on a > 166Mhz/48MbRAM Compaq Deskpro that was capable of giving me snappy perfomance > running MSO97 and Win95. It runs now Mdk8.2, no KDE, only XFCE, no useless No comparison. You are talking about an OS that would run in 8 Megs of RAM. Go back to RedHat 5.2 if you want to compare. Of course, then you won't have a gui office except for maybe the original star office, but then again, that's from the same era. > What more, there is still my mother doing bookkeeping on an old P90/Win95 > that was bought brandnew when such comp was a big deal. She has had no > crashes or blue screens since then and so Linux stability is not an argument > either, at least for her. I'll be the first to tell you that sometimes, there is just no need for Linux. A wise implementer will be able to judge when he's doing something good or stepping on his pecker. Blue skies... Todd - -- MandrakeSoft USA http://www.mandrakesoft.com Mandrake: An amalgam of good ideas from RedHat, Debian, and MandrakeSoft. All in all, IMHO, an unbeatable combination. --Levi Ramsey on Cooker ML Mandrake Cooker Devel Version, Kernel 2.4.21pre4-10mdk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+XqG3lp7v05cW2woRAv36AJ41JrnDYNyEjnaw+TTL4Cmw6gNE2ACeJPhh 48LicafxC506K74XOUYDTl8= =yjfF -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Defragging
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 David E. Fox wrote on Tue, Feb 25, 2003 at 09:55:25PM -0800 : > > Reiserfs should never be defragged--the elaborate tree structure it > > sets up is > I once heard that fragmentation is impossible in reiserfs. No, not impossible. Things like /var/log/* will always fragment unless there is only one file that ever gets written to. However, the design of the fs and how it accesses both its meta data (ie directories and file entries) and file data will determine the response, especially under heavy io load. Blue skies... Todd - -- Todd Lyons -- MandrakeSoft, Inc. http://www.mandrakesoft.com/ UNIX was not designed to stop you from doing stupid things, because that would also stop you from doing clever things. -- Doug Gwyn Mandrake Cooker Devel Version, Kernel 2.4.21pre4-10mdk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+XqL7lp7v05cW2woRAg29AJ9yj3veMpC58P98lDBV4GhkI1Y9DACdGCkt 8g8BaAfOQl4x+c/O2mJMV9A= =opPi -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Multiple RAID devices
On Thu, 2003-02-27 at 15:22, Todd Lyons wrote: ... > > No need to say "the motherboard of the first system". That's a no > brainer. What I want to know is _why_! ... open the box up and make sure you don't have one of these: http://idiotica.co.uk/images/news/archive/stripe2.jpg or worse yet, one of these: http://www.arcticboy.com/media/gremlin/Gremstudio70wr.jpg -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] change hw time from local to utc
I have a dual-boot MDK/Win2K box. I've recently upgraded to another computer, so I no longer need the Win2K portion on the older box. Of course time in CMOS was set to local time. Since the older box is now linux only, I'd like to have it be a local ntp for my small network. How do I safely change the cmos time to utc so the linux system time won't be foobar'ed? Do I just change /etc/sysconfig/clock from utc="no" to "yes", and reboot (and change time in cmos)? How about /etc/localtime and /etc/adjtime? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Multiple RAID devices
On Thu, 2003-02-27 at 15:35, Steffen Barszus wrote: > On Friday 28 February 2003 00:22, Todd Lyons wrote: > > Has anybody else: > > 1) Ever attempted anything like this? > > 2) Ever seen this? > > 3) Got a reasonable explanation for this? > > A bad termination at the raid5 drives could cause such bad behavior I guess. > if the extern box is not plugged in the reflection could be enough. Another > problem could be a bad termination of the extern box and the second > controller/mb can handle it better. > > Beware the only thing I have on my scsi card is my scanner ;) and now for something more helpful... SCSI is a good place to be suspicious, but it could also be a LILO issue -- I'd try booting a rescue CD or floppy with syslinux. -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] PC Chips 810
Aaron Matteson wrote on Wed, Feb 26, 2003 at 07:35:59AM -0800 : > > > But the issues with > > > Via are more pronounced. > > What sort of problems are you seeing, Aaron? > Mainly stability issues, ranging from the IDE controller to the actual > chipset. The most prevalent of the symptoms is data corruption. How much of that can be attributable to heat? > The good thing about Via is that they do perform a little better, but is > it worth sacraficing stability for slightly faster? I asked that because of this statement. Faster performance many times involves processes that use more power which means it gives off more heat. The difference between one fan and two in a case could be the thing that makes the chipsets on the mobo not die. All hypothetical though, no hard data on my end. Blue skies... Todd -- Todd Lyons -- MandrakeSoft, Inc. http://www.mandrakesoft.com/ Hey, I'm perfectly reasonable once you realize I'm right. -- John Buttery on Mutt Users ML Mandrake Cooker Devel Version, Kernel 2.4.21pre4-10mdk pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] usbstorage
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 t_gecks wrote on Wed, Feb 26, 2003 at 03:24:43PM +0100 : > Hello, > > I tried to plug a Archos Jukebox to my MDK 8.2 box today. everything > worked fine, the usb-storage module was automagically loaded, but no > device appeared in /dev/scsi/host1/bus0/target0/lun0 One of the following should do it: modprobe sr_mod modprobe sd_mod Blue skies... Todd - -- Todd Lyons -- MandrakeSoft, Inc. http://www.mandrakesoft.com/ Hey, I'm perfectly reasonable once you realize I'm right. -- John Buttery on Mutt Users ML Mandrake Cooker Devel Version, Kernel 2.4.21pre4-10mdk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+Xqdplp7v05cW2woRAnd2AKChQRGJcbTHaorZOg2U0FA9ETsTEQCgvvNM Eq+IqVs5zOYz7gkmAEdoNJE= =+3gY -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Contribs
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ron Stodden wrote on Thu, Feb 27, 2003 at 09:16:46AM +1100 : > >My understanding of the purpose of contribs is for 3rd parties to >contribute applications, which may be non-GPL, which are then >distributed as unsupported contribs by Mandrake as a courtesy. At the time of 9.0 release, yes. It is not something that is updated after 9.0 goes final. What you are looking for is typically going to be in the cooker unsupported/9.0 tree or plf or club. >I find it incredible if there have really been no 3rd party >application contributions for 9.0 since Oct 2002.Previous releases The ftp tree for a release is frozen at and after release time. Blue skies... Todd - -- | MandrakeSoft USA | Security is like an onion. It's made | | http://www.mandrakesoft.com | made up of several layers and makes | | http://www.mandrakelinux.com | you cry. --Howard Chu| Mandrake Cooker Devel Version, Kernel 2.4.21pre4-10mdk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+Xqknlp7v05cW2woRArgRAJwKJHwrOH+TzxelGVDZqLV9p4w1ZgCgtwkg m1a/fQRi+KYPk3VSjmlaOrg= =4/VS -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Abit KT7 RAID MB (VIA chipset)
Hi Civilme, Thanks for the reply. well first of all, if you can split ide drives to one per channel, that would be more efficient. ONly one device per channel on IDE may be active, and two disks on the same channel really slows down disk-to-disk operations ok, I will give this a go soon. Next a DTLA and a DTTA on the same channel is a wide difference in timing specs. This leaves enough room for echo bounce on a signal gating line to cause mischief. It is not that hard to move a drive if the installed systems have the /etc/fstab modified (of course with any winsystems we have a little more work) to recognize the new location. no more winbloat here :) The WD should not be paired on any channel with any other hard drive,because its timing is very strange compared to the others and data can be eaten by timing chatter. It is safely default configured as you can see, peaked at udma2 ok, so is this what the linux kernel does when it boots up? it gives all those errors DriveSeek etc, then says device reset DMA disabled i think it was. I would definitely try limiting the DTLA to udma2 as well --it appears to be set initially for udma3 the DTTA can go to udma4 or perhaps more. in the hpt bios I noticed some strange config. WD80GB can be set upto UDMA2 only. DTLA 60GB can be set upto UDMA5 max, DTLA 10GB can be set upto UDMA2 max. So it seems strange that the WD can not go upto a faster speed as its ata100 hpt etc. drakopt is in /contribs these days, but it does an alternative test and setup for tuning, and it runs in python. It may be able to set the drives where they run reliably. It requires some manual asistance yet because I never had time to finish the parser for error messages nor to make the settings within 2% of each other in tested speed "brothers" and to choose the brother with the highest noise immunity. Still you might find the program useful for performing all the tests of various hdparm settings--none of those are dangerous to existing data. i downloaded drakopt. Unfortunatly it does not support my drives: OPTIONS: (A)--Abort (N)--New (or you changed disks around) (C)--Continue from a previous run Your Choice (N/c/a) n Drive WDCWD800BB00CAA1 not found in database Attempting to use capabilities line in hdparm -i Please report driveid to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Capabilities line not available this drive model No optimizations possible this program Drive IBMDTLA307060 not found in database Attempting to use capabilities line in hdparm -i Please report driveid to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Capabilities line not available this drive model No optimizations possible this program Drive IBMDTTA351010 not found in database Attempting to use capabilities line in hdparm -i Please report driveid to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Capabilities line not available this drive model No optimizations possible this program I tried it on my laptop and the same problem existed. I emailed [EMAIL PROTECTED] with my aditions from my laptop and it bounced back. Is there no maintainer now? Are you still working on it at all? I added my laptop drive to the config but it still would not run... I strongly suspect a timing problem between the two IBM drives and I would suggest splitting them to different channels as a first step. The slow performance appears to be a fallback setting from probable timing crosstalk. Civileme Also, there were some interesting logs about my system for you. Strange that: /dev/hdh1 /mnt/backup ext3 defaults,user,auto 1 2 only works when uncomented after boot, it will not mount at all during bootup for some reason. Feb 23 12:50:34 now1g kernel: ext3: No journal on filesystem on ide3(34,65) Feb 23 12:50:34 now1g mount: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdh1, Feb 23 12:50:34 now1g mount:or too many mounted file systems Feb 23 12:50:34 now1g netfs: Mounting other filesystems: failed Feb 23 12:50:31 now1g kernel: hda: DMA disabled Feb 23 12:50:31 now1g kernel: hdc: DMA disabled Feb 23 12:50:31 now1g kernel: ide2: BM-DMA at 0xe800-0xe807, BIOS settings: hde:DMA, hdf:pio Feb 23 12:50:31 now1g kernel: ide3: BM-DMA at 0xe808-0xe80f, BIOS settings: hdg:DMA, hdh:DMA Feb 23 12:50:31 now1g kernel: hda: LG DVD-ROM DRD-8120B, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive Feb 23 12:50:31 now1g kernel: hdc: CR-48X5TE, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive Feb 23 12:50:31 now1g kernel: hde: WDC WD800BB-00CAA1, ATA DISK drive Feb 23 12:50:31 now1g kernel: hdg: IBM-DTLA-307060, ATA DISK drive Feb 23 12:50:31 now1g kernel: hdh: IBM-DTTA-351010, ATA DISK drive Feb 23 12:50:31 now1g kernel: ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 14 Feb 23 12:50:31 now1g kernel: ide1 at 0x170-0x177,0x376 on irq 15 Feb 23 12:50:31 now1g kernel: ide2 at 0xd800-0xd807,0xdc02 on irq 11 Feb 23 12:50:31 now1g kernel: ide3 at 0xe000-0xe007,0xe402 on irq 11 Feb 23 12:50:31 now1g kernel: hde: 156301488 sectors (80026 MB) w/2048KiB Cache, CHS=155061/16/63, UDMA(100) Feb 23 12:50:31 now1
Re: [expert] change hw time from local to utc
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 27 February 2003 06:47 pm, Mark Chou wrote: > I have a dual-boot MDK/Win2K box. I've recently upgraded to another > computer, so I no longer need the Win2K portion on the older box. Of > course time in CMOS was set to local time. Since the older box is now > linux only, I'd like to have it be a local ntp for my small network. > > How do I safely change the cmos time to utc so the linux system time won't > be foobar'ed? Do I just change /etc/sysconfig/clock from utc="no" to > "yes", and reboot (and change time in cmos)? How about /etc/localtime and > /etc/adjtime? Go into the time entry of the MCC and reset the time to UTC, and then when prompted whether the HWC is UTC, say yes. - -- Greg -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+Xq1aGu5uuMFlL5MRAk+iAJ4w3f/FByzLHZoMkEyUhTqz+ElJjQCfaK3Q zyFqkJsLdIVRoejKBBGbJks= =i42e -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Abit KT7 RAID MB (VIA chipset)
On Fri, 28 Feb 2003 00:19:24 +, you wrote: >in the hpt bios I noticed some strange config. WD80GB can be set upto >UDMA2 only. DTLA 60GB can be set upto UDMA5 max, DTLA 10GB can be set >upto UDMA2 max. So it seems strange that the WD can not go upto a >faster speed as its ata100 hpt etc. The UDMA setting is controlled by the manufacturer's software utility. I don't work with WD drives but I'll bet yours is set to UDMA2. Go to WD's Web site and there is probably a utility you can download to change the UDMA setting. IBM's utility runs under PCDOS on a single boot floppy. Steve Stephen B. Browne [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Veritas odit moras" Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] building box for sound recording studio
as an addendum to the below, if you're not that familiar with scsi remember that you won't get the full use of u160 or above bandwith if you use a scsi adapter in an ordinary 33mhz 32 bit pci slot, 32bitsx33mhz=132mb/s of course that's a peak performance not a sustained one but if you can't achieve the best peak it lessens the likelyhood of getting the best sustained:) beyond the 32bit pci are 66mhz slots and also 64bit ones, of course if you are my gran then i guess you already know about egg-sucking! bascule On Thursday 27 Feb 2003 4:45 pm, tarvid wrote: > > U160 is closer the norm now although U320 and FC would be faster (but more > expensive. UW SCSI2 is slower in some ways than ATA100 (133). > > I use 15K IBM drives. I get about 45MB actual transfer which is more than > enough for video let alone audio. I remember doing 3MB in the bad old days > and the pops were always due to the OS messing with the head. > > There are a lot of motherboards that come with U160 (Adaptec) adapters. > I've been using surplus SGI workstation boards at about $70 a pop but you > can get a decent Intel server board for $600 > > -- "You're very sure of your facts, " he said at last, "I couldn't trust the thinking of a man who takes the Universe - if there is one - for granted. " Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] modprobe yenta_socket freezes
Mandrake 9.0 on old Toshiba 480CDT. Install CDs had no trouble loading pcmcia service, finds the ethernet NIC fine and looked sweet. On reboot, however, freezes loading pcmcia. Go to interactive mode and find when running /etc/init.d/pcmcia start (with set -x on so I can see where it dies) it freezes when it gets to modprobe yenta_socket. However, if I go into rescue mode with the install CD, I note it loads fine. On the console, lsmod shows both yenta_socket and pcmcia_core running. What gives??? A reboot still freezes at the same point. How is the rescue mode install different to standard 9.0 boot? And more importantly, how do I fix it??? Regards, Ron. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Slipstreaming 9.0 Updates
hey tom, greg is referring to the practice of taking an install disk for an os or prog and also the subsequent updates for said os/prog and combining them so that one creates an install disk that installs the os/prog with the updates already applied, when service pack 1 for winxp came out there was a quite a bit of discussion (elsewhere of course!) on how to create a cd that would install winxp with the service pack already applied. greg is looking to do the same thing with lm, imho it would make a great mini-howto as with a few cd-rws one could always have an uptodate version of lm to install on a machine that might not have a broadband connection, of course it's not that hard to keep a cd of all the updates that one downloads and install and then update from that but i like the elegance of a slipstreamed install :) bascule On Thursday 27 Feb 2003 7:51 am, Tom wrote: > On Thursday 20 February 2003 12:41 am, Greg Meyer wrote: > > Does anybody know how I would create a slipstreamed set of installation > > disks for 9.0 that included all the security updates. Is it as easy as > > copying the new packages to the cd images and removing the older version? > > or is there some kind of remastering process that must happen? > > Greg,please excuse my ignorance, but what do you mean by "slipstreamed" ? I > have not heard of that term. -- The only way housework could be done in this place was with a shovel or, for preference, a match. (Witches Abroad) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] more msec woes
So is no-one else having this problem? I now have a second machine with the same problem. While the other machine was freshly loaded, this one has been loaded for a while, and just recently broke. Both with an msec level of 2. A third machine with an msec level of 3 is OK. I suspect that machines with a msec level of 2 and current (fully patched) will have this problem. ? Thanks, . wrote: Didn't see anything unusual in those files. I ran "sh -x /usr/sbin/msec". Here's the line where Perms.py is called with what appears to be the correct files. + /usr/share/msec/Perms.py /usr/share/msec/perm.2 /etc/security/msec/perm.local Unfortunately (and much to my surprise), python has me at a complete loss. So, I was unable to investigate further. Cory Todd Lyons wrote: . wrote on Tue, Feb 11, 2003 at 06:57:44AM -0600 : running them manually doesn't help. Look in /var/log/security.log. There should be the output of the msec programs, rotated once a month by default. Look for some kind of error. Also look in /var/log/daemons/info and /var/log/daemons/errors and /var/log/daemons/warnings. Blue skies...Todd Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Abit KT7 RAID MB (VIA chipset)
Steve Browne wrote: On Fri, 28 Feb 2003 00:19:24 +, you wrote: in the hpt bios I noticed some strange config. WD80GB can be set upto UDMA2 only. DTLA 60GB can be set upto UDMA5 max, DTLA 10GB can be set upto UDMA2 max. So it seems strange that the WD can not go upto a faster speed as its ata100 hpt etc. The UDMA setting is controlled by the manufacturer's software utility. I don't work with WD drives but I'll bet yours is set to UDMA2. Go to WD's Web site and there is probably a utility you can download to change the UDMA setting. IBM's utility runs under PCDOS on a single boot floppy. Steve Stephen B. Browne [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Veritas odit moras" If you grep the kernel changelog, you will see some evidence of how WD drives are not always capable of running in linux at high dma settings: $ rpm -q --changelog kernel-2.4.21.0.pre3.2mdk-1-1mdk| grep -i WD * put another WD disk in the ide-dma black list. - Modify the wdelay handling. Civileme has written a lot on this topic and maybe he can speak more to your case. You could search the list archives for this and Google will turn up some background. Here are a couple of archived posts: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg60691.html http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg65800.html Rolf Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] gftp & ssh2 - problems connecting.
Well, I had this problem, too. I was able to resolve it by first updateing openssh-* to the latest version, and then going to the gFTP site and downloading the latest tarball and compiling it. After that, everything worked out for me. Hope this helps. Jayce Dowell On Thursday 27 February 2003 04:06 pm, Gustavo Alberto Homem wrote: > > I'm using LM8.2 & 9.0. I'm trying to use gftp to securely connect via > > ssh2 but I keep getting the message below. Is there something more to > > this? The gftp in my Redhat box works fine in ssh2 mode but what's > > wrong with Mandrake's gftp? > > > > 3: Protocol Initialization > > Error: Message size 1936943199 too big from server > > Disconnecting from site 192.168.0.248 > > Received wrong response from server, disconnecting > > Waiting 30 seconds until trying to connect again > > I have exactly the same problem with gftp and I am also unable to use > other gui front ends. > > Below follows the message I had send here before. So far I had no answers > but I guess a lot of people has the same problem. > > Best regards > Gustavo > > > > Hello, > > Does someone know of a working scp/sftp frontend on mandrake 9.0 ? > > I found the konqueror support is working for "get" but broken for "put" > (that is reported under kde.bugs.org). > > Also, gftp wich supports ssh2 does not work, since it relies on the > sftp-server binary on the remote machine which does not exist in all > ssh server distributions. > > I tried to install kio_fish, but if using urpmi, it wants to install the > kde 3.1 contrib packages (experience tells me that kde upgrades allways > break something that was working before :-) ). > > Manually compiling kio_fish requires lib-qt-devel whoses dependencies are > calculated in such a way the uprmi/drakconf wants to install postgresSql > an other (apparently) unrelated packages !! > > If someone knows a solution for this, I'd be grateful. > > Best regards > Gustavo Homem > > --- -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+Ur2kDaBQSaLF/nERAinNAJ9MgzJbXlcCEJBVhmpVHWnlo/HeWACgnhP6 SxsodjOvY8fza4Hra5NeKGY= =RH8N -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Multiple RAID devices
Todd Lyons wrote on Thu, Feb 27, 2003 at 03:22:42PM -0800 : > > An even stranger twist, this same external drive box works just fine > when connected to a different machine with the same Adaptec I2O > controller but only 3 drives as the RAID array 0. The system boots up > just fine in that configuration. As an adder, I want to point out that the first machine (the one that doesn't work) is a mobo with dual Xeon CPU's in a 4U. The machine that it works on is an Dual P4 mobo in a 1U. Blue skies... Todd -- Never take no as an answer from someone who's not authorized to say yes. --Ben Reser on Cooker ML Mandrake Cooker Devel Version, Kernel 2.4.21pre4-10mdk pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] Mandrake Out of Control?/Is Windows faster on same machine?
> > That's strange, I have just the opposite experience. > > Agreeing with you that 7.2 was an exceptionally good release (and can > hardly wait for 9.2 - it's the odd numbers I bet) I found that 8.2 and > higher gave much better performance on low end P166's. > > AFAIK this was mostly due to Xfree4.2 on the gui side. > Running KDE2.2 with Mandrake8.0 was already too much. > > KDE3.1 apps (not the whole desktop!) runs ever so slow.but runs on the > same machine. Without gui it's just faster than 7.2 whilst 8.0 and 8.1 > swapped themselves to a dreary death. > > Good luck, > HarM I will have to agree with you, HarM. And it's going to be even better when kernel 2.6 is out.. That preempt no-longer-to-be-patch does wonders... Damian -- -- I don't want Windows to be only for the 31173. Yes, we've come a long way from all those security holes, virii, and cryptic commands like "Edit textfile.txt" (what in the hell is that supposed to mean?) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Automatic e-mail notification
On Thu, 27 Feb 2003 18:06:09 -0500 Daniel Axtell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> insightfully noted: >Is there a simple way to be notified automatically notified of incoming >email? I'm using kmail (by default), and tried to play around with korn, >which doesn't seem to do anything. Is there an easy way to do this? === kbiff or gkrellm will do just what you want Mike -- 'Deserves [death]? I daresay he does. Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise cannot see all ends.' --Tolkien, The Lord of the Rings Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Abit KT7 RAID MB (VIA chipset)
On Thursday 27 February 2003 03:19 pm, J. Grant wrote: > Hi Civilme, > > Thanks for the reply. > > > well first of all, if you can split ide drives to one per channel, that > > would be more efficient. ONly one device per channel on IDE may be > > active, and two disks on the same channel really slows down disk-to-disk > > operations > > ok, I will give this a go soon. > > > Next a DTLA and a DTTA on the same channel is a wide difference in timing > > specs. This leaves enough room for echo bounce on a signal gating line > > to cause mischief. > > > > It is not that hard to move a drive if the installed systems have the > > /etc/fstab modified (of course with any winsystems we have a little more > > work) to recognize the new location. > > no more winbloat here :) > > > The WD should not be paired on any channel with any other hard > > drive,because its timing is very strange compared to the others and data > > can be eaten by timing chatter. It is safely default configured as you > > can see, peaked at udma2 > > ok, so is this what the linux kernel does when it boots up? it gives all > those errors DriveSeek etc, then says device reset DMA disabled i think > it was. > > > I would definitely try limiting the DTLA to udma2 as well --it appears to > > be set initially for udma3 > > > > the DTTA can go to udma4 or perhaps more. > > in the hpt bios I noticed some strange config. WD80GB can be set upto > UDMA2 only. DTLA 60GB can be set upto UDMA5 max, DTLA 10GB can be set > upto UDMA2 max. So it seems strange that the WD can not go upto a > faster speed as its ata100 hpt etc. > > > drakopt is in /contribs these days, but it does an alternative test and > > setup for tuning, and it runs in python. It may be able to set the > > drives where they run reliably. It requires some manual asistance yet > > because I never had time to finish the parser for error messages nor to > > make the settings within 2% of each other in tested speed "brothers" and > > to choose the brother with the highest noise immunity. Still you might > > find the program useful for performing all the tests of various hdparm > > settings--none of those are dangerous to existing data. > > i downloaded drakopt. Unfortunatly it does not support my drives: > > > > > OPTIONS: > (A)--Abort > (N)--New (or you changed disks around) > (C)--Continue from a previous run > Your Choice (N/c/a) > n > > Drive WDCWD800BB00CAA1 not found in database > Attempting to use capabilities line in hdparm -i > Please report driveid to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Capabilities line not available this drive model > No optimizations possible this program > > > Drive IBMDTLA307060 not found in database > Attempting to use capabilities line in hdparm -i > Please report driveid to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Capabilities line not available this drive model > No optimizations possible this program > > > Drive IBMDTTA351010 not found in database > Attempting to use capabilities line in hdparm -i > Please report driveid to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Capabilities line not available this drive model > No optimizations possible this program > > > > I tried it on my laptop and the same problem existed. I emailed > [EMAIL PROTECTED] with my aditions from my laptop and it bounced back. > Is there no maintainer now? Are you still working on it at all? > > I added my laptop drive to the config but it still would not run... > > > I strongly suspect a timing problem between the two IBM drives and I > > would suggest splitting them to different channels as a first step. The > > slow performance appears to be a fallback setting from probable timing > > crosstalk. > > > > Civileme > > Also, there were some interesting logs about my system for you. Strange > that: > /dev/hdh1 /mnt/backup ext3 defaults,user,auto 1 2 > only works when uncomented after boot, it will not mount at all during > bootup for some reason. > > > > Feb 23 12:50:34 now1g kernel: ext3: No journal on filesystem on ide3(34,65) > Feb 23 12:50:34 now1g mount: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad > superblock on /dev/hdh1, > Feb 23 12:50:34 now1g mount:or too many mounted file systems > Feb 23 12:50:34 now1g netfs: Mounting other filesystems: failed > Feb 23 12:50:31 now1g kernel: hda: DMA disabled > Feb 23 12:50:31 now1g kernel: hdc: DMA disabled > > > Feb 23 12:50:31 now1g kernel: ide2: BM-DMA at 0xe800-0xe807, BIOS > settings: hde:DMA, hdf:pio > Feb 23 12:50:31 now1g kernel: ide3: BM-DMA at 0xe808-0xe80f, BIOS > settings: hdg:DMA, hdh:DMA > Feb 23 12:50:31 now1g kernel: hda: LG DVD-ROM DRD-8120B, ATAPI > CD/DVD-ROM drive > Feb 23 12:50:31 now1g kernel: hdc: CR-48X5TE, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive > Feb 23 12:50:31 now1g kernel: hde: WDC WD800BB-00CAA1, ATA DISK drive > Feb 23 12:50:31 now1g kernel: hdg: IBM-DTLA-307060, ATA DISK drive > Feb 23 12:50:31 now1g kernel: hdh: IBM-DTTA-351010, ATA DISK drive > Feb 23 12:50:31 now1g kernel: ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 14 > Feb 23 12:50:
