Re: [expert] Re: Switching from user A to user B without rebooting?
On Fri, 15 Sep 2000, Benjamin Sher wrote: Dear Mage and friends: You are RIGHT! I knew about the "exit" option but I used only to get back from "root" to "user". I didn't know that you could type "exit" as USER and that that would bring up the login prompt. I tried it and it works just as you suggested. What a relief! Yet even faster if you type CTRL-D, the EOF character. You can examine the keybindings for your terminal by typing 'stty -a'. EOF, or the end of file character is a standard way of quickly exiting terminals, and programs like bc, python, perl... All my thanks to everyone who answered my question. You've all been great! Benjamin -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sep 15 Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
Re: [expert] reiserfs info needed
On Fri, 15 Sep 2000, Vincent Danen wrote: Just out of curiousity, what's the file size limit with ext2? I think it's 2GB but I need to know for sure. Does anyone know? Ext2 is a 32-bit file sys, which can address up to 2^31 kb, or 2gb, as well as reiserfs. A quick way to find out the file size limit is to type 'dd if=/dev/null of=testfile', then 'ls -l testfile'. This only works if you have more or equal than the file size limit in free space. Also, is there a limit to file sizes under ReiserFS? Or, rather, a logical file size limit? I know with XFS it's 9 million TB and the filesystem itself can be a maximum of 18 million TB. Does anyone know what these limits are for reiserfs? Reason I ask is I'm writing an article on reiserfs and want to make sure I accurate information here. Thanks! -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sep 15 Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
Re: [expert] Console equivalent of VNC?
On Fri, 15 Sep 2000, Asheesh Laroia wrote: Hello everyone. I wanted to know if there was a way I could access a tty device (say, tty6, where I run PINE) from an xterm. Just as I can access different Xs through VNC, is there an equivalent? I've tried screen, but I have no idea how to use it. Either it's screen, or a text based window-manager, which you can find on freshmeat. BTW, screen is a text-based, full-screen window-manager. When you first start screen, it comes up with one terminal. To create a new one, you hit CTRL-a _SPACE_ c, to quit that window, type 'exit', or hit CTRL-d. To switch windows, either hit CTRL-a _SPACE_, or CTRL-a CTRL-a. To get help, hit CTRL-a ?. To detach from screen (like vnc to run stuff in the background) hit CTRL-a d. Here are the keybindings CTRL-a Action key all stuff below is after you hit the action key: CTRL-d exit window/screen a -switch windows c -create new window ? -get help d -detach screen _SPACE_ - switch windows Thanks in advance. I eagerly await a response. -- Asheesh Laroia. -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sep 15 Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
Re: [expert] Remote Administration Confusion
On Sat, 16 Sep 2000, Eric Mings wrote: You probably seek VNC, from www.uk.research.att.com, once you get it installed, run a 'vncserver' command on the server, and at your admin box, type vncviewer ip of server:1. That should get you an X-session with twm running. Edit the vncserver script to change the default window-manager to something else, such as kde or gnome. Stay away from NFS, it is IP-based authentication, and not difficult to spoof at all. I recently posted the my problem below to the newbie list. However, I think it may be more likely I'll find an answer on this list. I wouldn't consider myself a newbie, though I am not an expert either. Probably in the vast waste land in between where I know just enough to be dangerous ;-) I have been trying to get a handle on how to remotely administer a linuxbox I would like to have colocated at my ISP. I have read howtos and minihowtos until my head is spinning. God what I wouldn't give for a simple Timbuktu like approach to this problem in linux. So far I have gotten ssh2 setup on both machines (which are current on my LAN and I'll call "local" and "remote"). I can use ssh to login from local to remote as root, which I would think is the first step. However, now the confusion begins. Ideally I would like to display a kde desktop on my local machine that reflects the remote machine. I have heard numerous times about people supposably doing this such that it works just like sitting in front of the remote machine (apart from bandwith delay in response). Both my machines are running mandrake 7. I will be using a cable modem to connect from the local to the remote machine at the isp. Could someone please tell me the concrete simple steps to get this working? I also gather that it might be useful (and much faster) to use NFS to mount the remote machine disk on my local machine, but I also get the impression that security in that approach is a big concern. Thoughts on this approach would also be appreciated! And yes, I already know about webmin as a partial solution, but it doesn't get close to what I would need to be able to do to make this practical for me. Thanks much for any advice! -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sep 16 Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
Re: [expert] Screen Dump
On Tue, 12 Sep 2000, Leopold Palomo wrote: Hi, I don't know if you want to do a snapshot of a x windows. But, if you want to do it, there's an aplication, ksnapshow, that works great. Leo How about the various incarnations of xwd, the x window dump, the standard util in X. Will some kind soul explain how to use screen dump? I need to dump various screens and then send them as attatchments and I'm at a complete loss. There doesn't seem to be a man or info entry for screen dump, where can I get information? Thanks all, -- Ken Thompson WA7SYR Licensed Radio Amateur since 1971 Electrocom Computer Services Payette, Idaho 83661 1-888-642-7101 Local Calls 642-7101 Sales - Services - Repair Web: http://www,nwaa.com E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Registered Linux User #183936 Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list. -- Leopold Palomo Avellaneda Linux User 152692 Catalonia -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sep 12 Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
Re: [expert] Check ports
On Fri, 8 Sep 2000, faisal wrote: Either Portscan yourself, www.freshmeat.net, or packetstorm.securify.com, or run lsof to see running sockets/files, or netstat yourself as root. How can i check which ports on my computer are open i will be sitting on my server ? -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sep 8 Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
Re: [expert] Maximum file size
On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, iain wrote: Is there a maximum file size with a samba share. When I back up a Win 2000 server to a samba box it halts at just over 2 Gig. Any suggestions ?? 32-bit OS's typically have a 2 gb file size limit(2^31 why is it missing 1 bit?), ext2 has that as well as Reiserfs currently. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sep 6
Re: [expert] Making 1 ethernet port respond to 2 ip addesses !
On Thu, 7 Sep 2000, peterc wrote: Ip aliasing, there is a how-to on www.linuxdoc.org, but basically you can substitute the device eth0:0 in your ifconfig commands, or linuxconf commands to bind multiple ips to one card. Hi I have a problem where I am restricted from using more than 1 ethernet port on my firewall for incoming traffic from the internet the trouble is that I need to be able to execept traffic from two seperate ip addresses on that port can you think of any way that this can be achieved? Thanks Peter Church -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sep 7
Re: [expert] terminal
On Mon, 4 Sep 2000, Tom Massey wrote: Perhaps if you were able to start a painstakingly slow pppd over that serial link, you could use the remote-x facilities. Maybe something low bandwidth like VNC, lbx, or perhaps ssh-x-forwarding. Just thinking about this some more, I don't think that you'll be able to run X on a PC running terminal emulation and connecting over a serial port (I think this is what you want to do). Connecting a text only terminal on a serial port is pretty easy to do, you just have to add a line to /etc/inittab to run a getty on the serial port, then hook up the pc with a null modem cable, run some terminal emulation software and make sure the settings in your terminal emulation software match those set up in the getty on the Linux box you're connecting to. Problem is - I can't think of any terminal emulation software that would be able to understand X codes. I know that there are terminals that can do this - after all X was designed to run on a central machine and display on many terminals (it actually works much better/faster this way then the way it's currently often used on Linux boxen with a single user at a time - as an aside to anybody who doesn't think X runs very well on their machine: it wasn't designed to be run the way it often is on a Linux box). Sorry if I'm rambling a bit here... My point is that when you hook up a PC to your Linux box on the serial port, and run terminal emulation software on it, then all you've got on the PC running emulation is the capabilities of the terminal it's emulating. Generally this doesn't include the ability to run X. eg If you've got it running VT100 emulation (pretty much the most popular), then all the PC will understand is VT100 codes, which don't include X. If you've got reasonable hardware (say 486 and above) you'd be better off installing Linux on it properly, and sticking a NIC in. -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sep 4
[expert] ps restrictions
Is there a way to make ps only show your processes when you type "ps aux"? I think I had it going before, but forgot what I did. I think this is useful as it disallows normal users to spy on each other by not letting them see each other's running processes. If possible, it would be best to change this as a system-wide policy, so that no one can override it, except root, of course. What files need to be changed? I've tried turning Mandrake security to level 5, paranoid, and that still doesn't enforce it. -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [expert] ISP OS
Use nmap on them, a portscanner, or queso. Both can be found on freshmeat.net. Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 20:39:37 -0700 From: faisal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [expert] ISP OS is there any way of telling what type of OS/webserver/emailserver an isp uses ? my ISP often have problems so i was wondering -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sep 2
Re: [expert] ps restrictions
On Sun, 3 Sep 2000, Stephen F. Bosch wrote: Never mind, I figured out my own problem. There is a kernel patch which is applied to the Mandrake-secure kernel which implements this at the kernel level. It also stops most stuff like buffer/stack overflows and a couple other neat things. The patch is from openwall, www.openwall.com/linux/. I recommend that you guys reading the list upgrade your kernel to this if your system is multiuser. It becomes sort of irritating that any user on the system is able to see anyone else's processes. Ellick Chan wrote: Is there a way to make ps only show your processes when you type "ps aux"? I think I had it going before, but forgot what I did. I think this is useful as it disallows normal users to spy on each other by not letting them see each other's running processes. If possible, it would be best to change this as a system-wide policy, so that no one can override it, except root, of course. What files need to be changed? I've tried turning Mandrake security to level 5, paranoid, and that still doesn't enforce it. Have you tried writing a shell script called "ps" and put it in your path? You could try setting it SUID root and have it in directory that appears early in your path (before the path where the real ps is located -- the alternative is to rename the original ps, but that could cause trouble with other applications that rely on ps to function properly). Put "ps -fu $LOGNAME" in the script and make ps only executable by root. Or you could use an alias, but I think aliases are a little too easy to override. -Stephen- -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sep 3
Re: [expert] disk copy
dd if=/dev/fd0 of=mydisk.img then, swap the disk with a new one, and dd if=mydisk.img of=/dev/fd0 To all: Is there a way in linux to copy a disk. Like in Dos you could go to the comman line and type --- diskcopy a: a: And this would copy the contents of drive a:/ temporarily onto your hardrive then prompt you to insert your destination disk in drive a:, then it will copy the previous contents of your drive a onto the disk you just inserted. I know that there has to be a way, just seems that I am too stupid to figure it out at the moment. All help would be greatly appreciated. Maxtor -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sep 3
Re: [expert] VNC 1280x1024
On Fri, 1 Sep 2000, Sridhar G wrote: Hi, My LM system video is configured at 1024x768. I am currently using VNC client on my Win 2000 monitor using a resolution of 1280x1024. I'd like to use the VNC client at the same resolution of 1280x1024. Is there any parameter to start the VNC Server at this res. Yes, edit /usr/bin/vncserver, the following line: $geometry = "1024x768"; to $geometry = "1280x1024"; Cheers Sridhar -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sep 1
Re: [expert] xterm segfaults, konsole can't load
On Fri, 1 Sep 2000, Stephen Boulet wrote: Anyone have any idea what's wrong with this? I had this happen before, when I was trying to have XFree 4.01 and XFree 3.3.6 simultaneously installed. Something about the X-libraries being messed up caused it. I just rpm -e everything related to X, Xlibs, Xserver... and re-installed it. Including xterm, I think. That fixed my problem. eterm and gnome terminal both work, but not these two. I'm running XFree 4.0.1 with a geforce2 card. [stephen@mozart stephen]$ konsole QFont::load: Internal error Aborted [stephen@mozart stephen]$ xterm Segmentation fault -- Stephen -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sep 1
Re: [expert] HardDrake always locks my machine
Keith Kelly wrote: I'm having a problem with Mandrake 7.1's HardDrake configurator. When I launch the tool, it asks me to either detect or skip ISA device detection. If I choose "detect", the tool begins the ISA detection and then locks my machine cold--only way out is a hard reboot. If I choose "skip", the tool begins PCI detection and then locks my machine cold--only way out is a hard reboot. Send the properties of your ISA card to Alexandre Dussart (I think) : [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] How about remove all un-needed cards, install, then put them back in (in the same order, so windos won't re-detect them). That should be ok, if it's one of your cards messing it up. -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aug 31
[expert] Connection between lpd, named, portmap
I have a friend who runs a Linux system who for some reason, unknown to either of us, either turned the execute flag off on lpd, named, and portmap, automatically, or was broken into. Can anyone see a possible connection whether it was perhaps done by a daemon, or if an attacker had broken in, and changed the logs? I'm as baffled as he is in this, but it would be more re-assuring if someone could make a connection as to why these three would have the exec flag removed. -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [expert] Copying data to another HD
On Mon, 28 Aug 2000, Bob Puff@NLE wrote: Next question: I have a Linux system I want to replicate a couple of times. There is about 350 megs worth of data on a 1 gig HD, and I want to copy the data to some 500 meg hard drives. None of the disk cloning software wants to let me do this, as my destination is smaller than my source. Since I only have 350 megs total (a little in /boot, 64 megs of /swap, and 300 megs of /), I know this should be possible. I hooked up my 500 meg drive on the unused secondary IDE port, and used the cfdisk program to set up the partitions. Somehow, I managed to mount it (probably the wrong way), and copied all data to it. When I tried booting it, LILO was messed, so I booted from Floppy. It failed in a kernel panic - can't mount root. What is the easiest way to copy the data from a linux hd to another hd, when the destination is a different size than the original? I can also see needing to do the reverse: upgrading to a larger HD on another system. Is this a painful process? Bob Boot off a floppy distro, or a CD based distro such demolinux, www.demolinux.com. Then, use cp, mc, or anything you wish to copy to the new drive, and remember to re-run lilo on it. -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aug 28
Re: [expert] Can it be done?
On Sun, 27 Aug 2000, rharvey wrote: My boss wants to be able to ssh into the linux box (newest version of linuxmandrake.)(we have ssh running) When you connect he does not want a prompt he wants the company's ordering program to run. ( the user will get a login and access to the menu driven program) the program is on the unix box. this is done internally (behind the firewall) thru telnet with tiny term using the proper emulation that supports function buttons. When you telnet to the unix box ip address you get the login menu to the ordering program. How do I get ssh on the linux box to open this program on the unix box like the telnet on the unix box? Set up the ssh-keygen to make a passphrase authentication file. It is called id_dsa, and id_dsa.pub, respectively. Read the manpage how to set it up right. Then, make sure you leave the passphrase blank so it won't ask, then type "ssh host command". For example, "ssh myserver menuprog" will start your menu program. If you can figure out what I said and know how to help me Please let me know. Thank you Robert -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aug 27
Re: [expert] laptop hangs while online
On Sun, 27 Aug 2000, Scott Rainaldo wrote: CPU0 0: 292030 XT-PIC timer 1: 17307 XT-PIC keyboard 2: 0 XT-PIC cascade 3: 140718 XT-PIC 3c589_cs, serial 5: 1 XT-PIC soundblaster 8: 1 XT-PIC rtc 12: 11074 XT-PIC PS/2 Mouse 13: 1 XT-PIC fpu 14: 10334 XT-PIC ide0 NMI: 0 Seems like the serial (com2) is sharing the interrupt with your netcard. You need to edit /etc/pcmcia/config.opts to exclude irq3 by typing "exclue irq 3" in the file. These cards don't play too well with interrupt sharing. The reason the name of the driver is different is because a lot of times manufacturers use the same or similar chipsets in their cards to avoid design costs. Similarly, the driver writers will glob a driver for similar chipsets under a single name. It seems that this is not an interrupt problem. Maybe this is an X problem, because it usually seems to lock up when I am doing GUI things such as scrolling, opening a menu, or switching browser windows. In fact it locked for the first time when I was not online. I am running XFree86 3.3.6. Do you think that 4.0.1 would fix the problem? I have been reluctant to try it up to this point as I heard it is buggy. Also, does anyone know why /proc/interrupts reports a 3c589_cs when I have a 3CXEM556 modem/lan card? Please forgive my ignorance as this is the first laptop I have owned and I am not familiar with how PCMCIA works. Begin Included Message From: Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 15:32:59 -0700 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] laptop hangs while online I had a problem like that when I first tried running Linux on my LapTop. It turned out to be a conflict of IRQ's and memory addresses. Especially with my sound card. run "cat /proc/interrupts" to see what IRQ's you are using and also try "cat /proc/ioports" to see if you have conflicts with memory addresses. Good Luck Don On Sat, 26 Aug 2000, you wrote: My Gateway Solo laptop consistently hangs while online. This has happened with both Netscape and kfm under KDE. Once the machine hangs it will not respond to any key or the mouse and I have to hit the power button. I believe it has to do with either the PCMCIA driver, or X. Does anyone have any idea about this? Thanks in advance. Scott Rainaldo Here are my laptop specs: Gateway Solo Pentium 133Mhz 56M 3Com 3CXEM556 LAN+modem PCMCIA card Here is my software: Linux Mandrake 7.1 Netscape 4.73 PCMCIA 3.1.14 XFree86 3.3.6 kdebase 1.1.2-61mdk kdenetwork 1.1.2-17mdk ppp 2.3.11-7mdk _ What are you into? Win gear, movies, gadgets, and games from IGN.com Check 'em out - http://www.igncontests.com Absolutely NO purchase required. -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aug 27
Re: [expert] NFS Help
On Mon, 28 Aug 2000, Monty Malik wrote: Hi all, I suddenly lost the ability to mount my nfs shares on my workstation. Everything has been working fine for about a month then boom, I start getting errors after my most recent reboot. The following is the error I get: mount: RPC: program not registered 1. Make sure the nfs server is running on the remote box 2. Make sure you can ping each box from the other. 3. Make sure portmap is running. 4. make sure your /etc/exports is set up right, maybe use linuxconf to verify. 5. Check your fstab. 6. Read the NFS HOW-TO on www.linuxdoc.org I'm absolutely stumped on what happened (had been working for months) and how to fix it. any help would be greatly appericated. Thanks Monty -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aug 28
Re: [expert] laptop hangs while online
On Sat, 26 Aug 2000, Scott Rainaldo wrote: My Gateway Solo laptop consistently hangs while online. This has happened with both Netscape and kfm under KDE. Once the machine hangs it will not respond to any key or the mouse and I have to hit the power button. I believe it has to do with either the PCMCIA driver, or X. Does anyone have any idea about this? Thanks in advance. Scott Rainaldo Here are my laptop specs: Gateway Solo Pentium 133Mhz 56M 3Com 3CXEM556 LAN+modem PCMCIA card I have a similar 3C card, but lan-only, and it does the same once in a while. It seems to flood the system logs saying PCI bus error. There was nothing I could do about it. But perhaps check your pcmcia settings, and allocate a non-shared irq to perhaps make this happen less. Here is my software: Linux Mandrake 7.1 Netscape 4.73 PCMCIA 3.1.14 XFree86 3.3.6 kdebase 1.1.2-61mdk kdenetwork 1.1.2-17mdk ppp 2.3.11-7mdk _ What are you into? Win gear, movies, gadgets, and games from IGN.com Check 'em out - http://www.igncontests.com Absolutely NO purchase required. -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aug 26
Re: [expert] Anyone have a Motif license?
uOn Fri, 25 Aug 2000, Asheesh Laroia wrote: I was wondering if anyone on this list had a license for Motif. I wanted to compile the "nsplugins" module in KDE 1.93; specifically, this is the module that implements Netscape Plugin compatibility. However, this module depends on having an installed Motif, which would require a Motif license I believe lesstif, www.lesstif.org is source compatible with Motif, so it should compile the same. I compiled ddd with lesstif, "data display debugger", which requires Motif. Good Luck! Thanks so much in advance. Sincerely, Asheesh Laroia. -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aug 25
Re: [expert] Fw: Startx - (was Configuring X in LM 7.1)
On Wed, 23 Aug 2000, Dennis Robertson wrote: In your home dir, try to "echo kde .xinitrc" As a further followup I have now got to the stage where I can startx but only in Twm. If I try to boot normally I still get the cannot execute /etc/X11/prefdm message. So, can anyone help me to get KDE started from here, please? TIA. - Original Message - From: "Dennis Robertson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 0:17 AM Subject: Startx - (was Configuring X in LM 7.1) | Hello List, | Following my earlier post and advice from Ellick Chan I have been | tinkering with XFree86 4.0.1 some more. I used XFree86 -configure and | got a file /root/XF86Config.new which would run X on test at color depth | 8 and 800x600 res. I then ran xf86config and made a file | /root/XF86Config to run a test screen at my desired color depth 16 and | 1024x768 res. Both with a functioning mouse pointer (X pointer), which | is a major breakthrough. | Problem is I can't startx from the console; I get: bash: | /usr/bin/startx: no such file or directory. Which is true so I did: | ln -s /usr/bin/startx /usr/X11R6/bin/startx and got: file already | exists. So I copied startx to /usr/bin and got the same lack of | response. | If I reboot to runlevel 5 I get: | Linux Mandrake release 7.1 (Helium) | Kernel 2.2.16-9mdk on an i585 / tty1 | INIT: cannot execute "/etc/X11/prefdm" | (Repeated ten times) | INIT: Id "x" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes | I feel I am this close, having got the right screen with a mouse. How | do I get the system to actually start x and KDE on boot and from the | console? Hope you can help! TIA. | | | -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aug 23
Re: [expert] Fw: Startx - (was Configuring X in LM 7.1)
On Wed, 23 Aug 2000, Stephen Bosch wrote: In your home dir, try to "echo kde .xinitrc" Won't this overwrite .xinitrc? Don't you want echo kde .xinitrc? But what if .xinitrc reads "gnome", then "echo kde .xinitrc" will put kde at the bottom of the file so gnome starts, then kde too? It may read: " gnome kde " -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aug 23
Re: [expert] telnet/ssh problems
On Sun, 20 Aug 2000, Peter M Aarestad wrote: Add a couple more v's to the command to read "ssh -vv localhost." The current stuff here doesn't tell enough, it just says the exchange_id failed. Ellick Chan wrote: Try enabling the verbose modes on the sshd and ssh itself, I believe the flag was -v, then analyze those logs. They can tell you a lot. [pma@paarestad pma]$ ssh -v localhost SSH Version OpenSSH_2.1.1, protocol versions 1.5/2.0. Compiled with SSL (0x0090581f). debug: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config debug: Applying options for * debug: Seeding random number generator debug: ssh_connect: getuid 501 geteuid 0 anon 0 debug: Connecting to localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1] port 22. debug: Seeding random number generator debug: Allocated local port 886. debug: Connection established. ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host debug: Calling cleanup 0x805bfe0(0x0) [pma@paarestad pma]$ Is there anything here that would indicate what's going wrong?... -peter -- peter aarestad :-) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.aarestad.net peace, love, happiness, Christ, music, etc... "The world really doesn't need more busy people, maybe not even more intelligent people. It needs 'deep people'..." -Don Postema -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aug 20
Re: [expert] $30 and 2 hours later, NO C++ includes !! (mdk 7.1)
On Sat, 19 Aug 2000, Bill Hudspeth wrote: In any case, I have been testing one of the BSD distributions and it installs without a glitch, while MDK7.1 choked, gagged and did a 'kernel panic'. I concur with your estimate and I'm going to go get a refund too! Just curious, which BSD, Openbsd, FreeBSD, NetBSD? I haven't tried any of those for fear that it won't support all the proprietary hardware on my Sony laptop as well as Mandrake does. Best to you, Bill Hudspeth, PhD Mallard wrote: Thanks for wasting the two hours I had today to do some programming! I was compiling just fine in 7.0 after figuring out how to install everything I needed. now I do a clean install of 7.1 "developer" and everything else is installed to compile C++ except the libsrcc++ or whatever you call it. Make can't find fstream.h a basic every day file it should have if you install "developer" I would think. So I go to your BUGGY drakRPM and click on the install for the RPM and it asks for cdrom2. Like I know what that is. I put in the "sources" CD, Figuring that is #2 because there were only two CD's in 7.1 I got for $30. It spins the CD and sits there looking like a typical BUGGY windows program, not telling me it didn't find "cdrom2" or maybe the file wasn't there, who knows. HOW ABOUT SOME USER FEEDBACK ONCE AND A WHILE? Did you guys forget how to bring up a dialog box and print into it? No, instead let's let the user guess what's happening. Besides that, what lame program dissapears while it's "updating RPM base" ? I have never seen anything like that before, makes you think it crashed. Who is teaching these kids to program now days? Then I do another lame thing, go into file manager rootmntcdrom so I can see my cdrom (no mandrake couldn't have made little easy to find links for them, too busy playing doom or something to spend 2 minutes making things easier for the 1000's of users that will get your dist) - then I find the file is on the main CD, but no it's not the file, it's some other c++ goodie I have no clue what is for, so I don't think it's here at all. WHY NOT? Is there a more $$ version with this ONE FILE in it? OK, so I go to the main site and do a search, try it, try to find it. What the hell was it called? I don't remember, should have writen it down. But geeks always write this stuff down, that's the point, we want you to not have a life like we do, suffer like us, that's what Linux is all about, "I wasted my life figuring this out, so I will now make others do it too!" - is that the motto here? So I decide to get smart ass, I am gonna get it from 7.0 and screw you too! So I find it on 7.0, no thanks to the BROKEN search feature in drakeRPM, looking for fstream.h, and the way you have to tell it to go look on the cdrom, what type of user interface is that called? I find it and try to use kpackage to install it. It does, but in usr/include/c++-2/ that's the secret directory. So now it should make just fine, RIGHT? No, because make or gcc or whatever is configured to look in another newer directory that mandrake made up FOR SOME REASON (HINT HINT???) called c++-3 even though it's the same files. So like the smart ass I am I make a directory called that and put the files in there. AH HA! make finds the files and compiles, but wait! MORE ERRORS? on a program that compiled just fine before? YES!! ios() has errors! it didn't before, so now what??? Well my 2 hours are up, I wasted my life like you wanted. THANK YOU! You guys owe me a new updated 7.1 CD set when you get your act together. I am calling your customer service line and returning this crap back to you. BAD JOB on this one! Now I have to waste more time re-installing 7.0 so I can do a simple make. WHAT A JOKE! I gave you $30 instead of updating 7.0 because I thought I would contribute to the effort, I was wrong. -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aug 19
Re: [expert] $30 and 2 hours later, NO C++ includes !! (mdk 7.1)
On Sun, 20 Aug 2000, Tony McGee wrote: you to not have a life like we do, suffer like us, that's what Linux is all about, "I wasted my life figuring this out, so I will now make others do it too!" - is that the motto here? If you need to remember something complex it's always pays to write it down. Again, don't blame Mandrake if you have a failing memory. I agree with Tony that it's not Mandrake's fault for a failing memory. But... It's funny how he managed to remember this experience in such detail to tell us about it, and didn't have the mental capacity for a simple line of code :) Tony -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aug 20
Re: [expert] Configuring X in LM 7.1
On Sun, 20 Aug 2000, Dennis Robertson wrote: Hello List, Some time ago I wrote about problems I had configuring XFree86 4.0 with LM7.1 and the SiS6326 chip. I pointed out that xf86config was broken in LM7.1. Anyway, I lost the lot and ended up back with LM7.0 and the version of XF4.0 I got from XFree86.org. All was well. XFree 4.0 with 7.1 was broken with the neomagic chipset used on most laptops. It said the driver for the chip was "vga" which should have read "neomagic" Then I saw that XFree86 had released 4.0.1 and, being an optimist (or is that masochist?), decided to try to upgrade to LM7.1 and import XF86 4.0.1 from XFree86.org. I had backed up my X11 and X11R6 directories and had a backup of the XF86 4.0 installation files. XFree 4.0.1 seems to work the same for me as 4.0. The upgrade finished and I tried to use the existing X configuration which I had told upgrade to leave alone. No mouse! Using various approaches I can get the hatched screen with the big white square and it hangs there or I can get to the login screen with the ][ shaped cursor which will not move. Or I get the unknown(to me) window manager with three xterms but no mouse. I tried to recover by copying back my backup XF4.0 but when I try to startx it says no such file or directory, even though it is there. Hit alt-shift-numlock to enable keypad-mouse mode. You can move around by fiddling with the arrow keys on the keyboard. I believe 0 is click, and so is 5. Also, check your mouse settings. I haven't played with XFree 4.0.x in a while, as my Wacom Graphire tablet lacks support there. You'd be better off checking with someone else. I tried to reinstall XF4.0 from my backup which I had used successfully before and it says there is a syntax error in line 118 of the install script even though that line is identical to the same line in 4.0.1, which works. I can't find XF4.0 at any XFree86 site because they now have only 3.3.x or 4.0.1. XFdrake returns no such file or directory or command not found even though it is there. You may want to check some mirrors, maybe they have a copy somewhere. I have tried the Option "sw_cursor" and "noaccel" as well as both two button Microsoft and Intellimouse(which I use). Basically I have no mouse which leads me to think mouse support and/or SiS6326 support are broken in LM7.1 and/or XF86 4.0.1. Mouse support should be ok, check the mouse device, is it pointing to /dev/mouse, or /dev/psaux, or /dev/ttyS0, or something of the sort. You may want to play with gpm to find out which port the mouse is really on. I think LM7.1 is out to get me, or am I just paranoid? I shudder at reinstalling 7.0 and losing the lot again (mutt, qmail, gnupg etc). Can anyone suggest a way out, please? Can anyone send me Xinstall.sh for the XFree version of XF4.0? Perhaps I can try an expert upgrade to see whether I can find a workable XF86 that way? Has anyone got LM7.1 to work with the SiS6326 chip and XF 4.0.1 and will you share the priceless howto? Any help will be gratefully received. Thanks and regards. I don't think LM is out to get you. Their distro is 10x easier to install than Suse or Debian, and 5x as easy as Redhat. The only problem is that sometimes the GUI config makes some radical assumptions. If you want to restore the old XFree 3.3.6, then just type in 'rpm -e' on all the stuff that has XFree86-4.0 on it, and then 'rpm -i' all the 3.3.6 stuff back in. It worked for me to get rid of XFree 4.0.1, without damaging my X config. The trick is to back up your config files in /etc before doing anything. Good luck! -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aug 20
Re: [expert] 32MB Mdk 7.1 systems?
On Sun, 20 Aug 2000, Asheesh Laroia wrote: Hello everyone! I have a friend who I'm trying to introduce to Linux. I installed Linux-Mandrake 7.1 on his system, and everything worked. However, it is extremely slow at networking, and swaps all the time. His machine is connected to a Road Runner cable modem, so the internet access should be extremely fast, but it's not. Netscape gets ~2K/second, and is "slower than Windows." He also has Win95 installed in /dev/hda1. Seems to me the Window Manager is sucking up a lto of mem, and so is the X-server. Here are some tips: 1. If the X-server is on 24 bits, lower it to 15 or 16 bit color depth, that saves a lot of mem. 2. Turn off stuff that uses sound, that uses mem too 3. Choose a lightweight WM such as TWM, Afterstep, Blackbox, or XFCE. 4. Turn off the screensaver 5. Use stuff like links, or links, instead of Netscape. Use a lighter browser, maybe even some gui browsers support html 1.0. 6. If you do use Netscape, lower the memory cache, in the preferences. 7. Do a top, and see what is taking up the mem, and see if you can disable it. Please help. Sincerely, Asheesh Laroia. -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aug 20
Re: [expert] Prove my point .
On Sun, 20 Aug 2000, faisal wrote: Hello there Here are some points: 1. Remote admin, and true multi-user logins. Can more than 1 user use the same machine? 2. Hackability, can you change the behavior of the OS? 3. Security, www.securityfocus.com, see which one has more flaws 4. Servers, Samba, Novell Emulator, Appletalk. 5. The ability not to CRASH. 6. Daily updates via CVS :) 7. Active participation in development of OS. 8. A billion other things :) Well i am totally surrounded with Microsoft worshipers @ my job everyone just do NT here . But i want to prove them wrong with linux is there any way to compete both ? Money is not an issue cause when you live in pakistan heaven for pirated CDs . i want to prove my point here . thanks Faisal -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aug 20
Re: [expert] $30 and 2 hours later, NO C++ includes !! (mdk 7.1)
On Sun, 20 Aug 2000, Mark Weaver wrote: 3) used 'kpackage' instead of the program you used because 'kpackage' is what is used to INSTALL RPM's with. I disagree, rpm is the right tool for the job. It's the one that works without X :) -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aug 20
Re: [expert] editors
On Sun, 20 Aug 2000, faisal wrote: Is it wise to work in only one text editor all the time become expert in it ? I would say to find an editor for every type of task. Vi for editing config files. Perhaps an X-based program for writing programs such as Xemacs. And for everything else such as wordprocessing, try Wordperfect or StarOffice. I can make do on all occassions with vi, but sometimes it's helpful when your editor does spellchecking interactively when typing. -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aug 20
Re: Re Re [expert] Vi/Vim - The editor from HELL! How do Isetthedefault editor soI can TRASH IT?
On Sun, 20 Aug 2000, Stew Benedict wrote: Maybe this list should be moderated. I signed on to pick up some tips and contribute when I could. I get about 80% troll/trash and about 20% useful interaction. For an "expert" list, this is pretty sad. Time to tune up my procmail filter. I disagree on that. Moderation is simply censorship. While I do agree that some of the messages are pointless, censorship in my eyes is just plain wrong. I think if anyone wants censorship, turn on their mail filters themselves. As for me, I enjoy reading some of the garbage that goes thru, especially the VI fiasco. It's simply entertaining. Stew Benedict -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aug 20
Re: [expert] To the Powers That Be.
On Sun, 20 Aug 2000, Jason Pierce wrote: One idea to fix the Mallard problem is by digitally moderating messages from certain individuals that tend to be a problem. Messages from these users could be automaticly scanned for certain words, then discarded, with held for manual moderation, or sent to the list depending on what the scan found. Another solution is starting a new list. This list could be for I do believe that sometimes rants and flamewars can be annoying, but I don't see how moderation would help. It will imposed censorship on the list which most of us probably don't like, as we are interested in freedoms. And also, how fast is it to sign up for another acct on a free e-mail? That takes a matter of minutes, where tracking down the cause of the flames may take days of messages to find out. The point is that anonymity makes it almost impossible for us to block such users. I say the best form of dealing with this is that each user just hit the delete key on their e-mail reader. This leaves the list free for those who want to flame and argue, but also allows those who have meaningful discussions to carry on. -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aug 20
Re: [expert] Connection Speeds
On Sun, 20 Aug 2000, Ivan wrote: Hello all, The only way I can see anyone getting 2.8 k/s on a 28.8 dialup is purely due to data compression. I know that some modems do data compression on the connection, and perhaps you downloaded stuff like text files which compress a lot. And maybe recently you started downloading already compressed binaries which won't compress any further. That is just one possible reason, but the most likely one I can think of. When I first installed Mdk 7.1 on the rustbucket, I got an amazing 6-7 Kb/sec connection to the net. This is great considering that I have a 28.8 dialup. Well after a week of bliss I found that I am now constrained to the (now) highly unsatisfactory 2-3 Kb/sec. What could be the reason for the higher speeds for the short time? What can I do to restore it. I still get "spikes" of 6-7 and one time I had a spike of 72 (?!?!) so I would think if it can sustain 7 kb/sec for five or ten seconds, I should be able to do that all the time. I also noted that from 7.0 to 7.1 mdk, the checksumming speeds went way up and the bogo mips went from 52.84 to 128.84. Although they have remained and the connection has went downhill since. Thanks for the help and the time. Ivan -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aug 20
Re: [expert] Problems w/mouse and KB.
On Sun, 20 Aug 2000, James Little wrote: Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 14:35:45 -0500 From: James Little [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [expert] Problems w/mouse and KB. Microsoft Intellimouse/Internet Keyboard combo(I know) I guess that's everything important. Here's what happens. Using 7.1. When I log out of the WM and it takes you to that log-on screen, it seems to lock the machine up. I say it seems, cause that's not it. What really happens is the mouse and KB stop working. I can log-in remotely or run a remote X session, and everything works fine. Even if I kill the first X session, I can't get them to come back up. It isn't something that happens all the time, but it is periodical. What can it be? If the Keyboard/Mouse lock up randomly, try to pull the connectors in and back out. It may be loose. Also, it may be the sign of a failing keyboard, try a different keyboard and/or mouse. -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aug 20
Re: [expert] Linux Laptop
On Sat, 19 Aug 2000, Vincent Danen wrote: Does anyone know of such a beastie? Preferrably under $2000 if possible. It needs to have a CD-ROM, be about 500Mhz with a minimum of 32MB RAM and a 4GB or higher HDD. Doesn't need to have ethernet or modem built in, but sound would be nice (preferably something that doesn't require OSS...) I happen to have got in my hands a Compaq Notebook 100. It has a CD, fd, and the stuff like that, including sound. Check Compaq's site for details. XFree works without much screwing, the screen is only 800x600, tho. The machine pretty much works pretty ok without too much hacking around. Another of my friends has a Compusa Amerinote, and that has similar specs. He said it was very easy to get working. I'd probably say from what I heard, the Amerinote may be better. Remember to check the linux for laptops homepage, www.cs.utexas.edu/~kharker/linux-laptop/ Thanks. -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aug 19
Re: [expert] $30 and 2 hours later, NO C++ includes !! (mdk 7.1)
eaders for your running kernel. You can find this out by typing 'uname -a'. Well my 2 hours are up, I wasted my life like you wanted. THANK YOU! I'm sorry for all your problems, and I can understand that some things need work, but please try to respect the preferences of the experts on this group. I also have to thank you for getting me more involved in vi. It wass your discussion that led me to read the entire manual for it. Before that, I only knew some basic editing, but now I know a lot more. You guys owe me a new updated 7.1 CD set when you get your act together. I am calling your customer service line and returning this crap back to you. BAD JOB on this one! Some stuff overall needs reworking in 7.1. I think Mandrake was a bit hasty in turning out this release. The X config is broken for some cards. Now I have to waste more time re-installing 7.0 so I can do a simple make. WHAT A JOKE! Please, just ask for some help, and nicely too. I'm sure most of the people on this list have some experience porgramming, and can help. I gave you $30 instead of updating 7.0 because I thought I would contribute to the effort, I was wrong. 7.1 has it's share of oddities, so I'm not totally disagreeing on your viewpoint. For example, the way to boot a CD off the PCMCIA cdrom on my Sony Superslim notebook was working in 7.0 as "linux ide1=0x180,0x386" It was working in every other kernel, and distro, but 7.1 broke that compatibility, forcing me to install thru the HD method. -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aug 19
Re: [expert] reiser fs ? (was: Unexplained crashes)
On Sat, 19 Aug 2000, Tony McGee wrote: Can anyone give me the 10c guide to what the reiserfs provides that ext2 doesn't? I've heard the term journalling thrown about but have no idea what that means. I always hate when the bandwagon is a mile down the road before I've even noticed it. :) Rather than waste everyone's time with a long description, one of the main ReiserFS sites, www.devlinux.org/namesys, has a very good description as well as a lot of documentation for the product. Tony -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aug 19
Re: [expert] webmin safe ?
On Fri, 18 Aug 2000, faisal wrote: Is web considered to be safe under a secure environment ? Like we have doubts about using linuxconf . Apply the SSL patches to be sure, from www.webmin.com. -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aug 18
Re: [expert] helix gnome and terminal
On Thu, 17 Aug 2000, Patrick Erler wrote: hallo MANDRAKE! Not to mean any offense, but is 'hello' spelled differently for a good reason? oh no! i just installed helix gnome to test nautilus - and now my terminal is completely screwed up. in mc, instead of lines i have Ds and 3s and Zs... what can i do to correct this? Maybe it messe up your terminal, try typing 'reset'. and what should i do to use the gnome login manager from a remote x-server? assuming you already have a running X-server, and gdm is running on the remote machine, 'X :1 -query (remote address). PAT -- vcard/LDAP/PGP: http://dresden-online.com/~perler/identity.html PGP fingerprint: DAC6 2FDA 1ED7 AD55 BD1F 5142 3D5F 72BF -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aug 17
Re: [expert] make command
On Thu, 17 Aug 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't find the 'make' command on Mandrake 7.0 Any help appreciated Make sure you have make installed in the first place by typing 'rpm -q make' Otherwise, get your cd, and install it. -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aug 17
Re: [expert] Kernel FAILURES!!
On Thu, 17 Aug 2000, TriOptimum wrote: 2)I have installed the new kernel 2.4.0test6 with the resierfs patch and after the compiling and reboot i have the following FAILURES in the boot sequence..3 services fails..and they are USb USB looks for modules.conf instead of conf.modules now, I found that out the hard way after doing a 2.4.0test6 install too :) Kheader Most likely the source for the current running kernel is not in /usr/src/linux and Netfs..and i dunno Perhaps you forgot to compile support for that? why.. and the big problem is i get another error that is exactly that: Mounting local filesystem Modprobe: Modprobe: can't locate module devpts If devfs is enabled, you don't need devpts anymore, as devfs takes care of those. mount: fs type devpts not supported by kernel.. i dunno what that is and how to solve (remove) this error. Maybe linux is trying to install the support for that file system.. but i don't have it on my partitions.. i have compiled the kernel with only vfat , dos, msdos, joliet, iso9660, ext2 and resierFs.. that is all that i nedd.. no more no less.. Can someone explain me this??? tnks! Hope this helps, as I'm struggling with a similar problem, except on a firewire-enabled Sony laptop. That means I need PCMCIA, USb (tablet and keyboard), ReiserFS, ieee1394, and devfs. -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aug 17
Re: [expert] Boot Logger???
On Thu, 17 Aug 2000, TriOptimum wrote: 3)Someone knows how to create a log file to look at the messages created during the boot sequence? or if it is just being created by default where it resides??? Tnks! Look at /var/log/messages, or type in dmesg to get an incomplete log. -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aug 17
Re: Re Re [expert] Vi/Vim - The editor from HELL! How do I setthedefault editor so I can TRASH IT?
On Tue, 15 Aug 2000, Mallard wrote: Can you please at least have some respect for the choices of others. The comments on this thread are all turning into flames. Asking Mandrake to change the default editor is one thing, but that doesn't have to involve flaming vi. WOW, that convinces me, let's see... I want to copy this word so yw, but wait, I have to tell it what word, so Mj on over there near it and then yw and then Mklljjjll on over to where I want it and drop it in (I hope) p then I want to do some insert, let's see is it i or a, or was it I or A, I forgot since yesterday, well let me try it... WHOOPS! I lost what I was doing, pressed dd in error and deleted the whole line. no problem, I am a geek and want to sit here all night because it's like making love to my keyboard, gives me a good feeling to press these keys till my fingers are numb. -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aug 15
Re: [expert] Enable wheel mouse in 7.1?
On Wed, 16 Aug 2000, Joe Chen wrote: Depending on your mouse type, you can just type in imwheel, and it works most of the time. Elsewise, do a man on imwheel if you have problems. Can anyone there tell me how to enable the wheel mouse in 7.1? I just installed a GPL version of Madrake 7.1 and still can not figure out how to make the wheel mouse work. -- Joe -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aug 16
Re: Re [expert] Vi/Vim - The editor from HELL! How do I setthedefaulteditor so I can TRASH IT?
On Wed, 16 Aug 2000, Mallard wrote: I want to get some work done, not go backwards. Are you still living in 1978 or do you use a GUI? If using a GUI is all there is, then perhaps I would like better to live in 1978, where the user interface is at least somewhat stable... I can still function 90% without a GUI, except for viewing images and video. Even that can be done in ascii art :) -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aug 16
Re: [expert] Modprobe cant find existent modules
On Wed, 16 Aug 2000, Klar Brian D Contr MSG/SWS wrote: Why does modprobe always tell me that it can't find file, and when I go to the directory I typed in for the script, the file is there. I run a 7.1 box, and just reinstalled this morning since I was having some strange eth0 problems Also how do I configure sound from console ? Try a 'depmod -a' as root. Either use sounddrake, or the alsa drivers from www.alsa-project.org. Alsa supports more cards, and is overall better than the OSS/Free drivers. P.S. The modules I am trying to modprobe ate ones needed for my tv/radio card, bttv, msp3400, for examples. Even if I try to modprobe from term window, same error. Insmod works great though ! Brian D. Klar - CVE OTS WPAFB (937)257-5773 937-973-3125 (Pager) -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aug 16
Re: [expert] server question
On Wed, 16 Aug 2000, Joseph S. Gardner wrote: Is it practical / advisable to set up a single machine to act as a firewall/email/web server or am I looking for MAJOR trouble. Traditionally, a firewall should have nothing but ssh running on it. If the e-mail/web services are compromised, the firewall can also be compromised. It is OK to run them all on the same box if you believe your web/e-mail server software to have no flaws in them that allow root access or anything like that. But many times that is not true, and it is possible for an attacker to break in through sendmail or something, and turn off the proctection of the firewall, compromising the entire network. I appreciate your concern for this. I recommend buying a Linksys (www.linksys.com) Broadband router anyhow, and remap the ports thru that. You can use that as a firewall, and then map the smtp (25) port and the http (80) port to the proper server machine. That way, at most, you compromise only 1 machine. I'm trying to run a SOHO with limited resources/computers but still need all the goodies. Thanks, -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aug 16
Re: Re [expert] Vi/Vim - The editor from HELL! How do I setthedefaulteditor soI can TRASH IT?
On Wed, 16 Aug 2000, Mallard wrote: Oh my, Mallard: Your're really getting emotional with this vi thing. I'd like to say your're suggestion would help some, but make others get stuck with pico that they don't even use. I myself used to use pico some, but found it too featureless for programming. I'll let the Mandrake developers decide on the fate of the default editor... So put a big RED sticker on the disk with "WARNING: You may need to go buy a book to learn how to use the overboard, overdesigned, lots of features editor on this disk called "vi". It uses strange key sequences since the programmer lived on another planet when he wrote it. We could have put a simple editor like pico on this disk, but why bother? We are geeks and know all this stuff so you should too. It's too bad if you don't like it, but we like all this old stuff we started with when we were in high school and can't let go of it." That sounds like a clearly defined plan. Just like pressing ESC to get into another mode so you can exit. This whole thread shows how the geeks won't let go of this stuff and thus Linux won't make it against winDOS or Mac. I can see Bill G. laughing all the way to the bank. People shouldn't need to know ANYTHING about computers to use one, or read all sorts of documentation to get something done on one. The next generation of OS that makes it will the one that is programmed to interface with a human without a learning curve. Geeks will hate it. -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aug 16
Re: [expert] Unexplained crashes
On Wed, 16 Aug 2000, Stout, Wayne wrote: I have had a couple older machines, 200mhz that I didn't touch in a while, and the Mandrake gui installer would fail at apparently random points, and when running,the thing would also die randomly. I found that pulling the RAM, and re-inserting it didn't help, so I was desparate, pulled all the cards, then pulled the CPU itself. That seemed to fix it. Apparently, the CPU must have been loose, and maybe when the thing got hot, it lost the connection or something. So, I must recommend pulling everything apart and putting it back together. Linux doesn't usually die from things other than bad mem or a screwy CPU. Ok, I'm a wee bit confused here. My Linux box has started hanging and rebooting for no apparent reason. ( I know there's a reason, and I'm pretty sure it's my fault. :) ) Here's the scenario. I've been running Mandrake 7.1 on my desktop for a few week, everything was going along nicely. I installed it on my laptop and gave ReiserFS a shot. Worked like a dream. So, I decided to re-install and use Reiser instead of ext2 on my desktop. After doing this, everything seemed ok for about half an hour or so, then in the middle of an Xboing game, the computer rebooted automagically. Struck me as odd, but the box came up just fine. (I really like how a ReiserFS box comes back after a crash, btw) Logged back in and started another game of Xboing. (I can't help it, I like this game) Just like before, the box rebooted. My first thought was that the game was somehow causing the system to reboot. (I know, I've spent too much time providing support for MS products) So, when the box comes back up, I don't start a game, I just let it sit while I do something else in the room. Yep, it rebooted again. As a test, I powered the computer off, and left it off for the rest of the evening. The next day, I boot back into Linux, start X and dial up to my ISP. We tool along for a while, longer than 30 minutes, then the box hangs completely. No alt-fkeys here, it took a hard boot to come back. I try again a couple more times, not dialing in, but having various programs going, and get another hang and another reboot. Now I'm thinking I have some flaky hardware combination that doesn't like Reiser, so I do another complete re-install and put everything back to ext2. Unfortunately, the problem still exists. Doesn't seem to be tied to any particular program, nor does it have a definate time before it flakes, it will hang or reboot seemingly at will. Hadware specifics: Cyrix 6x86 PR200 64 meg ram (72 pin SIMMS) 13 gig Maxtor hard drive: 2 Windows partitions (total approx 6 gig), /, /usr/local, and /home (approx 2 gig each)+ 250 swap linux partitions Trident 9685(?) PCI video card X 3.3.6 running SVGA server Running default MDK kernel The only thing I haven't tried is resetting my BIOS settings. I had tried to add an old 512 meg hard drive (only under Windows) to move some large files home from work. The drive never would work, and I removed it from the pc. I'm not at the computer, so I can't give you the log files right at the moment, but I can get them pretty easily. Anyone have any ideas? I've even used Tom's rtbt floppy to delete the linux partitions completely, then try inistalling again. Thanks in advance for any help. Wayne -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aug 16
Re: [expert] server question
On Wed, 16 Aug 2000, Deryk Barker wrote: For those of us without the time to spend and who can afford it, Linksys (I'm pretty sure) make a CABLE/DSL/Firewall/10-100 Ethernet switch all in one box which retails for $299 Cdn (so presumably around $200 US). I haven't got around to this yet but the reviews sound good. It will be a DHCP client for your ISP and either a DHCP server for you local net or you can use static IPs locally. You can configure IIRC something like 8-10 ports to pass through the firewall, but this (also IIRC) requires you to use static IPs internally. Configured via your web browser. OK it's wimping out in one sense and doubtless one could assemble a linux box to do the same cheaper, but factor in your time to set it up and... Not really, I use it because the ipchains code was being freaky with some 2.2.x kernels, and resetting /proc/sys/net/ip_v4/ip_forward to 0 apparently for no reason, and randomly. Also, it helps when the power goes out, and your DSL/cable is plugged in a small UPS and your Linksys router is on the same. In experience it runs for more than 5 hours on a 300VA ups. -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aug 16
Re: [expert] RPM database won't rebuild!
On Wed, 16 Aug 2000, Benjamin Sher wrote: Apparently, when I do a 'rpm -qf `which realplay`', it says that it is not owned by any package. Must be Real's fault for making broken rpms that don't report the files they own properly. Dear friends I would appreciate your help with my rpm database problem: I was been unable to get my RealPlayer to play Radio Free Europe from its usual URL using Netscape. There is nothing wrong with RealPlayer itself. It plays other stations and even Radio Free Europe using a different URL. However, due to the original problem, I decided to uninstall RealPlayer and then reinstall it. But something went wrong with my attempt to rebuild my rpm database. I first did a #updatedb Then #makewhatis Then I rebooted Then rpm --rebuilddb as you can see below. Unfortunately, I have failed. [sher@adsl-77-232-22 sher]$ su Password: [root@adsl-77-232-22 sher]# rpm --rebuilddb [root@adsl-77-232-22 sher]# rpm -e realplay error: package realplay is not installed [root@adsl-77-232-22 sher]# rpm -q realplay package realplay is not installed [root@adsl-77-232-22 sher]# whereis realplay realplay: /usr/X11R6/bin/realplay /usr/bin/X11/realplay [root@adsl-77-232-22 sher]# Can you suggest what I might have done wrong, please? How can I rebuild my RPM database? Do they get rebuilt automatically eventually? Thanks so very much. Benjamin -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aug 16
Re: [expert] Vi/Vim - The editor from HELL! How do I set the defaulteditor so I can TRASH IT?
On Mon, 14 Aug 2000, Sheldon wrote: I do EVERYTHING in vi, including programming, etc. It's fast, reliable, works over telnet, etc. In respect for those who are stuck working on a slow as crap link to a box which you can see your typing 30 seconds after you hit the key, vi is very useful to get to the line number of choice, or go to the bottom of a large file. I had this happen multiple times, as the DSL link to the office machine gets saturated with ftp traffic, ssh is real slow. The only way I could cope with that is using vi's repeat functions. Imagine how slow an imprecise it is to hit the arrow key a whole bunch of times to move to the right end of a line, instead of hitting '$'. The same goes with any control over editing on a slow line. Not to mention how incredibly powerful vi is. The design of vi allows it to cope with the slowest, most backward terminals in the world, where everything is done wrong, or the machine has only 1 slow link to any network at all. You are most surely asking for flames if you are posting that kind of stuff here. Alot of us, incl. me are unix/linux sysadmins. When you are doing remote administration of 2000+ machines you don't want to log and and do export DISPLAY=xxx:0; your_favorite_editor and wait for X to load it over the network, then bother with the god damn mouse to edit one friggin line in a config fire. NOT to mention file-open-annoying dialog box crap. Talk about what is crap! geesh. -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aug 14
Re: [expert] Vi/Vim - The editor from HELL! How do I set the default editor so I can TRASH IT?
On Mon, 14 Aug 2000, Mallard wrote: Why did Mandrake pick the most geekyist editor for a setup that is suposto be easy for users? It's the unix tradition :) Anyone else seen this joke of a program? Yes, and I use it almost daily With Vim all you have to do is spend a half hour trying to get it give you help, then scroll all the way to the bottom of a super long whoopy-do list of usless keyboard commands that you will forget a day after you use them. Please get rid of it! It's a bit strange at first, but when you use it a lot, it is very logically designed. thinking? Do they live on this planet? Why does Mandrake support this? Trash it! Can't, vi should be a minimal part of every Linux distro, it is standard on any Unix system. I don't know who thinks this is some great thing, WOW! It has zillions of features! It's not 1982 anymore, we have word processors that have a better human interface than terminals did, get a life geeks! (directed at the guys who wrote and keep updating "vi" and "vim") It's the only editor that behaves right on weird terminals such as the crappy Micro$oft telnet. Why not make the default editor a nice simple one, like maybe pico, where the commands are shown. I can't see anyone using a command line editor for much else than a few simple changes, there are better simple editors in KDE and such. Damn that really pissed me off, and on top of that you guys changed from "vi" (same stupid geeky crap) to "vim" (worse geeky crap) in 7.1 did someone request this? I want to know who! That may be ok for beginners, but a hard core sys admin wants vi. Sorry for the bandwith waste, had to get this off my chest. Anyone else feel like I do about this? This post is asking for a flame when put on expert groups, but I see the purpose of an easier editor for beginners. However, Mandrake has a large audience to satisfy, including hard core UNIX people. Vi has established itself as the standard editor, and it is not easily going to be displaced. -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aug 14
Re: [expert] SMB install of 7.0
On Sun, 13 Aug 2000, Jason Pierce wrote: Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 18:54:03 -0500 From: Jason Pierce [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [expert] SMB install of 7.0 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello list, I have been playing around with linux for a few months now, and now I am in a bit of a bind. I need to install Mandrake 7.0 on a laptop, from a 98 box using SMB to connect. Is there a custom install disk (unsupported? suchas the paride img for RH) that can do a SMB install? If not, is there any way to do an NTFS install from a Win98 Box? I have TomsRtBt, but have seen no ntfs export options on it. Laptops lend themselves to trouble on the network install, as I have a Sony VAIO PCG-N505VX, which has only 1 pcmcia slot, no cd, and a USB floppy. I suppose if you can install an FTP server on the 98 box, that would work better. I know FTP install works, as I've done it many times on other laptops. -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aug 13
Re: [expert] Vi/Vim - The editor from HELL! How do I set the defaulteditor so I can TRASH IT?
On Mon, 14 Aug 2000, Mallard wrote: Why did Mandrake pick the most geekyist editor for a setup that is suposto be easy for users? It's the unix tradition :) Anyone else seen this joke of a program? Yes, and I use it almost daily With Vim all you have to do is spend a half hour trying to get it give you help, then scroll all the way to the bottom of a super long whoopy-do list of usless keyboard commands that you will forget a day after you use them. Please get rid of it! It's a bit strange at first, but when you use it a lot, it is very logically designed. thinking? Do they live on this planet? Why does Mandrake support this? Trash it! Can't, vi should be a minimal part of every Linux distro, it is standard on any Unix system. I don't know who thinks this is some great thing, WOW! It has zillions of features! It's not 1982 anymore, we have word processors that have a better human interface than terminals did, get a life geeks! (directed at the guys who wrote and keep updating "vi" and "vim") It's the only editor that behaves right on weird terminals such as the crappy Micro$oft telnet. Why not make the default editor a nice simple one, like maybe pico, where the commands are shown. I can't see anyone using a command line editor for much else than a few simple changes, there are better simple editors in KDE and such. Damn that really pissed me off, and on top of that you guys changed from "vi" (same stupid geeky crap) to "vim" (worse geeky crap) in 7.1 did someone request this? I want to know who! That may be ok for beginners, but a hard core sys admin wants vi. Sorry for the bandwith waste, had to get this off my chest. Anyone else feel like I do about this? This post is asking for a flame when put on expert groups, but I see the purpose of an easier editor for beginners. However, Mandrake has a large audience to satisfy, including hard core UNIX people. Vi has established itself as the standard editor, and it is not easily going to be displaced. -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aug 14
Re: [expert] Download managers !
faisal wrote: Do we have any Download managers like gozilla , getright ... on linux to download large files ? No way! that stuff is "spyware" and poison to an operating system. In linux we use gFTP, IglooFTP-PRO, ncFTP, so and so forth. gFTP supports resume and append, and most FTP server do also so that makes gFTP a viable option. Wget anyone? It runs on just about any machine without X, and does a good job at this, without sucking your CPU dry. -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aug 10
RE: [expert] Download managers !
On Thu, 10 Aug 2000, Carver, Paul, NLSOP wrote: Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 09:32:01 -0400 From: "Carver, Paul, NLSOP" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [expert] Download managers ! What is a Download manager? I wasn't aware that downloading files was complex. FTP is pretty much a universal standard and there are plenty of Linux/Unix clients. Can you be more specific about what special features a Download manager provides? A download manager is usually implemented as a cheap any easy form of "spy-ware" on Mac and Win platforms. they claim to be free, and bloat up your operating system. I've had my suspicions that they probably track your web-viewing habits, and such, as they tightly integrate with your browser. What a download manager is supposed to do is support the FTP/HTTP resume functionalities. Generally, this is done to let users of lesser operating systems avoid re-downloading a large file after a connection is broken. They make it in a way to feel idiot-proof. Wget, a perfectly free program for *nix does essentially the same thing, but does not require X or a GUI. It also has no ads, banners, and the such, as well as consuming a tiny fraction of the memory and CPU that download managers for Win/Mac require. -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aug 10
Re: [expert] ICQ for Linux
odule does not affect the functionality of the window manager itself. It never has, here. Once or twice - after 50h continuous stress, compiling jobs and so on for the machine, an app woke up a hidden bug in the X server and I had to relogon. That has happened with other WMs as well, though. In my experience, I have the YMF744b chip, which the commercial OSS driver had incompatibilities with kde. Perhaps some of my anger vented from that, as every time I touched anything APM related in KDE, it resulted in a hard crash. As well as the mean interactions I had with commercial OSS drivers and anything KDE related. The funny thing is that other window managers like Gnome and XFCE had no such limitation. It still makes me wonder what KDE was doing to hang the machine every time. I don't have that problem anymore, because I use ALSA now. So far, XFCE has run flawlessly, minus a couple random crashes I get from playing with experimental USB drivers being connected/disconnected. In my experience, it is best to go with something light, like XFCE, which is purely made to handle window management, yet allows for some higher XFCE is nice, but it's not a full desktop and doesn't want to be. For a laptop it's a good choice, also because it uses relatively little screen real estate for the window borders. (KDE does as well, though...) Good that we agree on at least that, I don't have much of a use of desktop icons either, as on some machines that are real slow, I can watch them draw the icons one-by-one, like Windows 95 on a 486. level functions like icons and drag-and-drop. TWM was just too annoying having to place the windows, ... Then configure it correctly. Can TWM autoplace windows? I never knew that you could do the menuing on TWM, enlighten me a bit on this, and I may just switch back to good old TWM again :) Afterstep rocked, but XFCE is the best balance. Besides, that, being on a laptop, I need a window manager that doesn't access the HD every 5 seconds, like KDE or Gnome, so that my hard drive shut off will have a chance to work properly and save some battery. Don't blame your problems on the wrong apps. It's Linux itself, thinking "oh, low load, let's flush some HD buffers and maybe clean up some shared memory segments and page space". Nothing KDE or Gnome does has anything to do with this, although with all the gizmos that these environments offer, you tend to have more applications loaded and therefore more memory is used, making Linux clean up more frequently - perhaps. I don't know. KDE seems to do some weird things once in a while. I already changed the flush settings and stuff a long time ago. It seems like from actual testing that KDE and GNOME do in fact make the hd access more for me. Whatever it be, the applets, low memory, or even the screensaver, something in the background once in a while causes the hd to power on for no apparently good reason. I noticed that linux does flush buffers, and run cron jobs, but those are minimized on my machine. Just that the full-blown desktop enviroment is nice for newbies, but really serves no real purpose for me, as the console suffices 90% of the time. Of course, occasionally having a couple GUI stuff is cool, but on a laptop that dislikes Linux as it is, I don't think I want to risk too many more suspend hangs by doing strange things. For example, I noticed that some applets really hate suspend, and not everything behaves too well with it. I just like to keep a set up as generic as possible, while offering some functionality. Then again, this is tailored for specifically my purpose, so some of you out there may prefer something else for your set ups, but I stick to the one that causes the least crashing, most responsiveness, and most of all, gives me the best battery life :) That, of course, is a sound reason. If it really makes a difference. Do you guys have any other suggestions of a better window manager, terminal, etc? It must be good at the following: 1. Use minimal CPU/mem 2. Use minimal disk space 3. Run decently on something like a 386 4. Semi-intelligently place windows (unlike twm) 5. Be very tolerant to misbehaving apps (unlike the gnome hang) 6. Be friendly to a small display 7. Have neat features Elsewise, I think XFCE is my best choice for this machine. -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aug 10
Re: [expert] Download managers !
On Thu, 10 Aug 2000, Craig Woods wrote: Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 20:52:55 -0500 From: Craig Woods [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] Download managers ! Good info, Ellick, and quite timely as well. Maybe others on the list have seen today's news. Netscape (AOL) has been sued for the very acitivity you enunciate in your msg. The court rulled in _our_ direction. They found Net_shit to be in violation of the law by engaging in the practice of "spying" while performing as a "download manager". Hey, power to the people, right on! Craig Thanks Craig, as I said, I prefer the open source, terminal friendly approach to this. I use ssh and screen extensively across 3 or 4 computers daily, including a laptop. The thing is that a download manager for my laptop is impractical, as it loses the net connection every time I keep moving it, so it is much easier to use wget on my cable modem box :) Also, I'm sick of those lying windows apps that claim to accelerate your browsing, and "remember" your passwords, as I've had suspicions on those too. Too bad that these apps had good ideas, but were just too closed source, making spying more difficult to detect for the average user. These were among my list of grievances for abandoning windows :) -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aug 10
Re: [expert] The worlds SLOWEST linux boxen
On Mon, 7 Aug 2000, Nightwriter wrote: Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 15:19:00 -0700 From: Nightwriter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] The worlds SLOWEST linux boxen Elik, Will do later tonight. In the office now box is at home. Just to let you know I've run through dmesg etc and all seems good. Just takes forever to do anything. One point worth noting on this box. I've also tried to put some games on this before (Sim City 3000, MS Golf) and they run equally slow. I'm wondering if the problem isn't that with the Celeron, Inhell (spelling intentional ) removed the L1 cache and shrank the L2 cache. (also this is a PC book boxen) I'm wrestling here with a linux for windows install of 7.1 on a Celeron 400mhz cpu with 32 megs ram 65 megs swap i810 video card. currently it I think others have already got the solution, the loopback fs has never been really fast on a dos partition. It ran equally slow each time I did that too. It just didn't occur to me at the time I wrote the message that it was the cause. But it never hurts to look at what the system is telling you anyhow, it can help tune the performance. Good luck!
Re: [expert] Modems For PCI Slots?
On Wed, 9 Aug 2000, Sevatio Octavio wrote: Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 18:51:51 GMT From: Sevatio Octavio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [expert] Modems For PCI Slots? I'm finding out that some of the higher-end motherboards are doing away with ISA slots. Thus this question: Are there any Linux-compatible modems that run in PCI slots? Most of these are winmodems, check www.linmodems.org for a listing. Otherwise, there are some know USB modems to work, check the HW list at www.linux-usb.org. Seve -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aug 9
Re: [expert] ICQ for Linux
On Wed, 9 Aug 2000, Austin L. Denyer (SysAdmin.) as root wrote: I gotta ask - what is it about KDE that you don't like? I'm kinda torn between KDE and Gnome at the moment - both have features that I like... I didn't originate this kde hating thread, but in my opinion, KDE sucks up too many resources, and KFM crashes on quite a bit of stuff, rendering your entire window manager unusable. It's too tied in with the window manager (the file/web browser). Same goes for Gnome, I used to like both because of features, but I'm on a laptop, and when the internet connection is lost, a program like gweather(weather monitor) and mail checker keep gnome from working properly, the whole window manager is hung up waiting for a timeout on the server connection. In my opinion, window managers should be separate from their components like dockable modules and filemanagers/browsers. It's a lot cleaner when one of them crashes, the other keeps going. Also, KDE and Gnome are nice for what the do when they *work* properly, but sometimes something like a messed up web page, a lost internet connection, or a small bug screws up one of the modules/kfm, the entire system goes to wreck, just like that other piece of junk. I can tolerate bugs in kde/gnome, as long as something killing the browser, or an individual module does not affect the functionality of the window manager itself. In my experience, it is best to go with something light, like XFCE, which is purely made to handle window management, yet allows for some higher level functions like icons and drag-and-drop. TWM was just too annoying having to place the windows, FVWM95 was ok, but just felt too win95ish, Afterstep rocked, but XFCE is the best balance. Besides, that, being on a laptop, I need a window manager that doesn't access the HD every 5 seconds, like KDE or Gnome, so that my hard drive shut off will have a chance to work properly and save some battery. Then again, this is tailored for specifically my purpose, so some of you out there may prefer something else for your set ups, but I stick to the one that causes the least crashing, most responsiveness, and most of all, gives me the best battery life :) -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aug 9
Re: [expert] Dynamic IP and DNS
On Sat, 5 Aug 2000, Andy Judge wrote: Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 21:50:57 - From: Andy Judge [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [expert] Dynamic IP and DNS Does anyone know what services are good for dynamic DNS? I would like to use a Domain Name of my own. What services are known to be good for this. I have looked at dyndns.org. What others provide this service so I can use my own domain instead of dynip, dyndns, etc. www.dhs.org, but suppose you wanted a free name like www.andrewjudge.com, you would have to register with NSI, who is responsible for the top level domains. Andrewjudge.dhs.org would be possible, because the records are controlled by DHS.org, you may want to read up some about domain names in general to understand this better. Also, what types of problems are typically experienced with this type of service? Most only update the DNS record once a day, about 6:00 in the morning for mine. Also, DNS takes time to propagate. So if you change a record, some third world country may not get your new address for days. This rarely happens, though. Andy -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aug 5
Re: [expert] The worlds SLOWEST linux boxen
On Sat, 5 Aug 2000, Nightwriter wrote: Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 19:06:32 -0700 From: Nightwriter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [expert] The worlds SLOWEST linux boxen All, I'm wrestling here with a linux for windows install of 7.1 on a Celeron 400mhz cpu with 32 megs ram 65 megs swap i810 video card. currently it takes 23 minutes 26 seconds from power on till kde is ready to go. Netscape start it today and it'll be ready tomorrow. Windows however snaps on the same box. (only 50megs swap) Any ideas? Nightwriter Can you send us the output of your dmesg, run "dmesg dmesg.log" as root, then post it on the list, plus show us the output of the "top" command. This should help determine whether it is a hardware cause or software. Also send the output of "ps ax" to let us know any daemons running. -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aug 5
Re: [expert] Ooooops! I think I killed it!
On Sun, 6 Aug 2000, Mark Weaver wrote: I'm afraid I've got something extremely stupid to confess. I was monkeying around this evening resizing some partitions. I made the Windows partition smaller, which freed up about 3.5GB, which I turned around and turned into a part of Linux's file system as /home. Well, it's a little late in the day and it slips my mind to that if I don't format the partition it won't work, and if I do then...well...I'm not sure what I was thinking. At any rate, now when I attempt to boot my Linux system I get kernel panic. The message I get is that it can't mount (root) fs. What should I do? Mark Sounds like a job for a good old disk editor, go to freshmeat.net to find a low-level disk editor and see what junk is left of the drive. I would recommend trying partition magic to try to recover the partitions, but if you mkfs'd the drive, then a disk editor may be of use to find the remains. Depending on what was done, one of these may be a good choice. -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aug 6
RE: [expert] Ooooops! I think I killed it!
On Sun, 6 Aug 2000, Mark Weaver wrote: Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 00:33:59 -0400 From: Mark Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [expert] Ops! I think I killed it! Gavin, Which one of those HOWTO's specifically talks about mounting the linux FS from windows? I didn't see anything like that there. Too lazy to find the link, search www.google.com for a prog called explroe2fs, or get the free Beos from free.be.com, it can also read ext2. Mark If Alf were a Network Admin would he still eat Cats? -Original Message- From: Gavin Clark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2000 11:56 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] Ops! I think I killed it! on 8/6/00 12:34 AM, Mark Weaver wrote: I'm afraid I've got something extremely stupid to confess. I was monkeying around this evening resizing some partitions. I made the Windows partition smaller, which freed up about 3.5GB, which I turned around and turned into a part of Linux's file system as /home. Well, it's a little late in the day and it slips my mind to that if I don't format the partition it won't work, and if I do then...well...I'm not sure what I was thinking. At any rate, now when I attempt to boot my Linux system I get kernel panic. The message I get is that it can't mount (root) fs. Am I correct in assuming that I've toasted my file system, or is there something I can do to correct this HUMUNGOUSly STUPID error in judgement. This ranks right up there with one of the DUMBEST things I've EVER done. I didn't have any "can't do without" data there yet, but everyone's mail and stuff is there. O, just for the record this is a home machine. Still, I'm feeling REAL dumb so if you want to flame me...well, I guess I've got it coming. This was a real dumb move and I should have known better than to do something like this. I DO know better...I just don't know what came over me!...honest!! What should I do? Mark you may be able to fix it I think. you moved the partions around so when it tried to find the place on the disk where / is supposed to be it's not there any more - you have to tell it where it moved to. can you boot with a rescue floppy? if you don't have one there are ways to make them in windows. it may be as simple as booting with a resuce floppy and running lilo. you may have to edit lilo.conf and put in a line that tells it about the physical details of the drive - cyllendars, blocks, whatever. I'm not sure about the details of doing this but maybe that will give you some place to start. if you can't get that to work you may be able to mount your linux partitions in windows and get your data out before you reinstall. there will be specific instructions for this stuff in the how to's on line http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/howtos.html good luck Gavin -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aug 6
Re: [expert] hangs on mounts
On Sun, 6 Aug 2000, lorne schachter wrote: Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 01:30:34 -0400 From: lorne schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [expert] hangs on mounts When I try to mount or unmount my windows partitions, the mount operations hang. System keeps running except for the mount or unmount processes. Needs a reboot to clear. Any ideas? Do your logs show anything? "tail /var/log/messages" Thanks, Lorne -- Lorne Schachter (732) 819-0460, (732)819-0460 (FAX) http://www.intact.com/~lorne -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aug 6
Re: [expert] usb zip drive
On Sat, 5 Aug 2000, Mike Tracy Holt wrote: do I make sure that insmod is done at boot time? Both usbcore and usb-uhci were already loaded, it only needed usb-storage to load; is there a problem with it not knowing that this module needs loading? Where do I tell it to load at boot time? Try editing /etc/sysconfig/usb to read: KEYBOARD=no MOUSE=no ZIP=yes -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aug 5
Re: [expert] double click script
On Sat, 5 Aug 2000, faisal wrote: Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 19:23:12 -0700 From: faisal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [expert] double click script dose any one know how to make a script that runs on double clicking ? Are you asking to do this in the console, or a window manager, and if so, which one? -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aug 5
Re: [expert] Vmware???
On Sat, 5 Aug 2000, faisal wrote: Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 19:35:37 -0700 From: faisal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [expert] Vmware??? what is Vmware Can anyone shed some light on it ? To make it brief, please read the docs at www.vmware.com. -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aug 5
Re: [expert] Netscape 474 and CPU
On Thu, 3 Aug 2000, simon wrote: Has anyone noticed how netscape 474 gradually consumes cpu usage to 100 percent over 12 to 18 hours? Netscape does that occassionally, I personally use "Links" and "Lynx" more often, as they crash less. You can "limit" the amount of CPU/mem Netscape takes when starting it from bash by typing "ulimit -t 3 -v 24000" which limits the maximum amount of CPU to be 100% for any app for 3 seconds, and the maximum memory usage to be about 24mb. If these resources are exceeded, bash kills the offending process. Be careful as this applies to all children forked by the current shell, i.e. start netscape from the same shell that you applied ulimit to. Any other apps which you start from that shell will incur the same limit to be applied, whether or not you intend it to be. This is enforced on a per-session basis, which means if you have 2 x-terms open, unless one is the parent process of the other, that the ulimit settings for each session are different. simon -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aug 3
Re: [expert] current url request listing
On Thu, 27 Jul 2000, Daniel Bodanske wrote: Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 10:37:42 +0700 From: Daniel Bodanske [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [expert] current url request listing I'm using a Linux box as server on an internet cafe network to access the internet and cache locally. Can anyone recmmend a program to monitor the current url requests from the clients. This is something my boss wants to see, and being stupid, I've got no answer for him. Thanks Daniel I use a program called dsniff from freshmeat.net, it has a sub-proggie labeled webspy, or urlsnarf. Run urlsnarf under a script session, and you got instant logging. If you run webspy with netscape, you can see what the users are surfing! __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jul 27
Re: [expert] Running an X app from remote host
On 25 Jul 2000, stephen boulet wrote: Date: 25 Jul 2000 22:14:35 -0700 From: stephen boulet [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [expert] Running an X app from remote host I'm trying to run an X app from a remote box locally. Here are my steps: 1) xhost +remote-host-ip 2) telnet to remote-host-ip 3) export DISPLAY = local-host-ip try it in this form: 3) export DISPLAY = local-host-ip:displaynum or this: 3) export DISPLAY = local-host-ip:0 Also, try to switch to using xauth instead, extract your x-server cookie, copy it over, and add it to the machine the app is running on. Another way is to use ssh x-forwarding, you can use the ssh from www.ssh.com, or openssh, but X-forwarding is broken on Openssh in LM7.1, you must manually do "xauth merge /tmp/ssh-/cookies" where is some random garbage. Then, when I try running kmail: kmail: cannot connect to X server local-host-ip What might I be doing wrong? -- Stephen -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jul 25
Re: [expert] OT: harddrive flashback
On Wed, 26 Jul 2000, Darryl Gibson wrote: Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 01:16:33 -0400 From: Darryl Gibson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] OT: harddrive flashback Mark Weaver wrote: Ok...I'm still a little foggy on this console stuff. I'm only half there. So, if my desktop freezes as it has once or twice since I've started working with Linux,(about 14 months), and CTL-ALT-BACKSPACE doesn't take me out of X, then will CTL-ALT-Fx (x = 1-6) get me there without having to do a hardboot and risk filesystem damage? I try CTL+ALT-Fx first, to see if I can get to a promp, run top, and kill the offending process first, if that doesn't work, I CTL+ALT-F7 to get back into Xwindow, and then try CTL+ALT-BACKSPACE. If that doesn't work, You should trying hitting alt-sysrq-k first, then if that doesn't work, try alt-sysrq-s, then alt-sysrq-b. alt-sysrq-k kills all running processes except init alt-sysrq-s syncs the hd, and alt-sysrq-b reboots elsewise, the the reset switch may work better. I cross my fingers and close my eyes, and aim my finger between the OFF switch, and the RESET switch. I've had to do that once in twelve+ months of using Linux. No matter how long I use Linux not a day goes by that I don't learn something new. Yes, I could spend the rest of my life playing with this system, but I need to find someone willing to pay me to do it! Darryl Sig file not loaded due to loose nuts behind the controls. -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jul 26
Re: [expert] I'll be back
On Tue, 25 Jul 2000, Civileme wrote: Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 01:19:27 -0800 From: Civileme [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [expert] I'll be back A political appointee has decided that he can't use kmail and must have outlook. Today he showed his power by dismissing me and four other employees to scrape together enough money to convert to Microsoft. Ouch, that really sucks, don't you hate clueless people in power? Maybe you can set up your own mailserver with a free dns entry from www.dhs.org, running sendmail or postfix. I'll be moving from place to place for a while, and I won't have a steady address. So take care folks. I'll catch when I can. Civileme -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jul 25
Re: [expert] laptop frozen.. urgent!
On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, Sarang Lakare wrote: Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 01:56:50 -0400 From: Sarang Lakare [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [expert] laptop frozen.. urgent! Hi guys, I installed LM7.1 on a laptop and it was ran fine for a day.. when i was shutting down today, it gave KERNEL PANIC on supermount.. and then did fsck on the next boot (the laptop has a DVD player and had a data CD inside when this happened).. this is the 2nmd time I am getting problems with supermount.. why is it in the distribution if its not good and stable??? anyway, here is what is more important.. The laptop is frozen right now and I can't even turn the power off!!! its in KDE and this is the worst thing i ahve seen.. I keep the power switch pressed and nothign happens.. this happened all of a sudden.. any quick ideas will be appreciated. Never seen this happen before, but what kind of laptop do you have? I would pull both the power and battery. Hopefully, that should reset something. thanks sarang -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jul 24
Re: [expert] Asf files
On Sun, 23 Jul 2000, Civileme wrote: Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 22:11:01 -0800 From: Civileme [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] Asf files On Sun, 23 Jul 2000, you wrote: Anyone know where I can find something in linux to play those dangbusted asf files? Not no but "hell, No!" Microshaft PATENTED the *.asf format ignoring the preexisting mpeg formats on which it is based. If there is ever a way to read the (decidedly second rate quality) Active Stream Format files, it will have to be written by Microsoft. Anyone writing a program to decode the *.asf files, without written permission of Microsoft, is an infringer. Anyway, likely the patent is crap. But the US Patent Office is the #1 Embarassment of the Digital Age, handing out software patents with very little research (same staff, and ten times the workload) and letting the courts decide which is valid. Anyone have a spare $200 million (US) to go to court on this patent with Microsoft and PROVE it is invalid? And if you see words in this message I do not normally type, I think you can see that I am furious because I am helpless before these bozos. That's exactly correct, the patent office is the legal way to get a monopoly on anything. I'm still sorta pissed off that no other manufacturer can make any x-jack look-alike product for lap-tops. That sort of set the industry back many years, because almost every card you buy nowadays has a stupid annoying dongle. That harmed innovation in that sense, since 3com was so slow in making the X-jack for networks, and it costs too darn much! I could go on ranting about how patents are flawed, but that would be too pointless. Civileme -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jul 23
Re: [expert] new reiser question
On Sun, 23 Jul 2000, Gavin Clark wrote: Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 23:22:01 -0700 From: Gavin Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] new reiser question on 7/23/00 11:00 PM, Vincent Danen wrote: On Sun, Jul 23, 2000 at 09:43:26PM -0500, Vic wrote: Just wondering, how does everyone who is trying out the reiser fs like it? Any pros cons? does anyone see it replacing EXT2 as the default anytime soon? If you are a frequent reader of kernel traffic, kt.linuxcare.com, Alan Cox supposedly doesn't want Reiserfs in the kernel till at least 2.5, Reiser himself claims there are a bunch of FUD reasons Alan is making up, and there is a sort of flame war going on. Let's just say that Reiser and Cox don't want to get along too well. I personally believe we need Reiserfs to get a real edge against others, and it is annoying to apply the kernel patch each time hoping it works... I would much rather have built-in support! -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jul 23
Re: [expert] Asf files
On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, Vic wrote: Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 01:56:15 -0500 From: Vic [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] Asf files Same here Civil, same here I HATE that. Damn Microsoft, damn them to hell, I hope the govt does split them up and they fall like a shot down plane in WWII and crash and burn even harder. I hate to admit but they are not entirely to blame for this. First off, you don't find a cheap and easy to use MPEG/MPEG2 encoder for free very often, most of this software works on pre-recorded files, and costs a lot of money. The crappy windows media garbage is free and can record real-time, requiring less disk space than an mpeg solution. The other thing is that hardware MPEG boards are not cheap, and the file size is rather large compared to these streaming formats. Now comes the argument of Real Networks, their products are annoying as hell, sure the encoder and player are free, but they require so much registration it is really a pain to get, as well as the crippled options, and making it nearly impossible to find for anyone. Their products annoy the crap outta you, they make erally bad nag-ware, not to mention having a lack of stability at times. Also, their format is bug-prone, as an incomplete download results in a movie that is *barely playable* as well. Now, Apple's quicktime is also real bad, as between Apple and Microsoft, almost all the Codecs are exclusively licensed by them. Apple's player is purely annoying as it asks whether or not you want to upgrade every time you use it. Not to mention that not too many hardware quicktime solutions exist for the PC. I know that Micro$oft is big and bad, but they seem to have the only viable solution for streaming when it comes to price and features on the WIN/MAC platforms. I really wish they would port the media player over to Linux, but then again who knows what kind of things it will screw up, or how intentionally slow and bloated it will be? I hope there is still a chance to reclaim the market with a more open implementation. On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, you wrote: On Sun, 23 Jul 2000, you wrote: Anyone know where I can find something in linux to play those dangbusted asf files? Not no but "hell, No!" Microshaft PATENTED the *.asf format ignoring the preexisting mpeg formats on which it is based. If there is ever a way to read the (decidedly second rate quality) Active Stream Format files, it will have to be written by Microsoft. Anyone writing a program to decode the *.asf files, without written permission of Microsoft, is an infringer. Anyway, likely the patent is crap. But the US Patent Office is the #1 Embarassment of the Digital Age, handing out software patents with very little research (same staff, and ten times the workload) and letting the courts decide which is valid. Anyone have a spare $200 million (US) to go to court on this patent with Microsoft and PROVE it is invalid? And if you see words in this message I do not normally type, I think you can see that I am furious because I am helpless before these bozos. Civileme -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jul 24
Re: [expert] MKNOD
On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, Don wrote: Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 06:57:07 -0700 From: Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Civileme [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [expert] MKNOD In mknod how would one create a device that is linked to another device? I would like to make video to link to video0. I have already found the video0 and have tried: mknod c video 81 0 but I don't see the way for linking this to video0. By the way I am tring to get kwintv to work, and when I run the kwintv file it tells there is no such device as /dev/video. this is the error Iam getting: Fatal: v4lx: Error opening v4lx device /dev/video: No such device in ::v4lxif Thanks for helping I think you need a symlink, "ln -s video video0". Don -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jul 24
Re: [expert] segmentation fault doing a text install
On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, Mike Rambo wrote: Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 10:36:51 -0400 From: Mike Rambo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mandrake Linux [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [expert] segmentation fault doing a text install We have an existing server (Compaq Proliant 2500) that we want to move from RedHat 6.2 to Mandrake 7.1. It has been running RedHat 6.2 since last spring when it was first installed but we've never done any optimizing for the Pentium class cpu. I had decided it would be easier to just put a distro on the machine that had everything already compiled for a Pentium cpu than manually recompiling the existing OS - especially since it hadn't been used for hardly anything to this point and there was thus no user data involved. The problem I've got is that we haven't found any distro yet that can identify the oddball video that this server has built in (thus no graphical install) and Mandrake is no different. Text mode install fails with a 'segmentation faults - seems like memory is missing as install crashes' every time it's ran. The system detects and loads the driver for an ncr53c8xx scsi card correctly and then asks whether there are any other scsi cards in the machine. When I answer 'no' it immediately displays the segmentation fault message and wants to shutdown. I've seen this happen on my K6-200, I have tried changing ram between 6 different SIMMS, nothing I do seems to make a difference, the GUI mode fails at certain random points, almost as if it is heat related. I reseated all the chips and cards to make sure nothing is loose, but that doesn't help much. I'm thinking of loading the HD on another mchine, and moving it over, hopefully it won't be weirdly crashing anytime soon. Anyone have any idea what I can do. I've tried to do a text install on a couple of other occasions (with different systems) and have never been able to get it to work but this is the first time I've never found a way around the problem. Thus far I'm simply unable to put Mandrake on this machine. I can't locate any updates that would appear to address this problem. Any ideas? -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jul 24
Re: [expert] new reiser question
On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, Sarang Lakare wrote: Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 11:57:37 -0400 From: Sarang Lakare [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] new reiser question there is a sort of flame war going on. Let's just say that Reiser and Cox don't want to get along too well. I personally believe we need Reiserfs to get a real edge against others, and it is annoying to apply the kernel patch each time hoping it works... I would much rather have built-in support! somethign is better than nothing dosn't work in this world.. if you have ReiserFS, it better work... else I don't see any point in including it in the kernel.. some distributions like LM itself gives the user the option to install ReiserFS in beta.. so thats fine i guess! Well, that is not always the case, as often stuff like developmental USB drivers and such got their way into the kernel, but marked possibly dangerous. I just think that if others can get their way into the kernel with bugs still in them, why shouldn't Reiser? I mean I know tons of hardware drivers that don't completely work, and some are buggy, Reiserfs so far has worked without a single bug in my entire test usage. I believe they should offer the functionality, but warn users enough about possible problems. its ok to test it on home machines.. including it in the kernel means mission critical users would want to try out too.. keeping it out of the default kernel will stop those users from using it.. and that i think is good. its always good to have the best things in and beta things left out or marked "beta" clearly. -sarang -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jul 23 -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jul 24
Re: [expert] Pentium 200Mhz/MMX and Mandrake - Resource Efficient?
On Sun, 23 Jul 2000, Sevatio Octavio wrote: Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 07:38:51 GMT From: Sevatio Octavio [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] Pentium 200Mhz/MMX and Mandrake - Resource Efficient? That gets to my next question... While shopping, I ran across a lot of boxes with motherboards that have onboard sound video. What's your take on those? Do they tend to require funky device drivers that Linux may not have? So far, I haven't found too many things to be incompatible. Most of them probably come with an SiS video/audio or the VIAgra style chipset. It used to be an issue for me about 8 months ago, but since then, drivers have either been made for them, or you can pay $20 for OSS, www.opensound.com. For the most part, XFree86 works, although some of the drivers may have certain artifacts when using memcopy stuff, like moving windows, it may produce some garbage. One of my older SiS motherboards had snow on the screen when X was started, but that was because the motherboard tried to share mem between the VGA and slow system mem. But since then, RAM has improved in speed, and this no longer is much of an issue on the newer built-ins I have tried. In the worst case, most of these motherboards come with a jumper to disable the onboard Video/Audio. Just in case you have problems, make sure you buy a motherboard that can disable those. If you do end up disabling, you can get some more compatible pci cards, like a voodoo3 and perhaps a soundblaster. I recommend a Yamaha XG card, but that will cost you about $30 of OSS drivers. Seve Original Message On 7/22/00, 10:34:17 PM, Anton Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote regarding Re: [expert] Pentium 200Mhz/MMX and Mandrake - Resource Efficient?: Submitted 23-Jul-00 by John J. LeMay Jr.: Doesn't there come a point when using a machine as old as an XT clone actually costs more to run (heat/electric) than grabbing something like the BookPC machines (around $500 ready to roll) and tossing the "classic" into the antique rack? I'm not blasting anyone for still using old equipment, I would never do that. I'm just curious as to the trade off. I would assume their has been significant advances in power efficiency and in the physics involved in keeping machines cool in the past 10 years or so and that these features may make purchasing a new machine more cost effective than running an old one. Just curious! Yes, it probably does cost more to run it than say one of the everything on one board machines. I actually did it originally as an exercise in adapting old equipment into terminals. Bottom line is that I can get an XT with a monitor for around $50-100 while a real terminal will cost me at least twice that :/. Around here, I am more accountable for initial investment than cost of operation. -- _ _|_|_ ( ) *Anton Graham /v\ / [EMAIL PROTECTED] /( )X (m_m) GPG ID: 18F78541 Penguin Powered! -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jul 23
Re: [expert] Pentium 200Mhz/MMX and Mandrake - Resource Efficient?
On Sun, 23 Jul 2000, Anton Graham wrote: Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 11:48:13 -0700 From: Anton Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] Pentium 200Mhz/MMX and Mandrake - Resource Efficient? Submitted 23-Jul-00 by Ellick Chan: I recommend a Yamaha XG card, but that will cost you about $30 of OSS drivers. No longer :)! I run my Yamaha YMF-724F (DS-XG) with ALSA drivers. Believe it or not, the sound quality is actually better than what I got with the commercial drivers from OSS. You need the latest ALSA (0.58) for this support. Your're correct, but I never got that to work on my Sony VAIO N505VX laptop which has the YMF744b chip. There is also now support in the kernel (OSS-Free) for the SBPro "legacy mode" of the card, but it is poorly documented and I have been unable to make that work. Somehow after the Win2k bios upgrade (which I thought would make it more compatible) the SB emulation somehow got broken... -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jul 23
Re: [expert] netscape 474
On Sun, 23 Jul 2000, Pj wrote: Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 17:23:08 -0500 From: Pj [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] netscape 474 Considering this browser's sad history the past 3 years I do not know why anyone would expect anything better. Personally, I still like version 3.04 best. I run it with Java disabled; use its old emailer and scripting turned off. Since I rarely accept attachments, I've effectively eliminated most of the virus attacks. Actually I'd be delighted to buy a real Linux browser that wasn't bloated and that offered mail. Does anyone know how well the STAR OFFICE browser and emailer work in Linux? It worked okay in Winbloz. I found a quick cheap way to avoid Netscape, try using lynx, or "links", an improved lynx. If you do the file associations in links, you can even view the jpegs and gifs on web pages. Pj At 05:42 PM 7/23/00 -0400, you wrote: I wouldn't become too hopeful cause the beta release of Netscape 6 is doing the same thing. In SPADES. It's worse there than in the .7x series of Netscape 4. -- Mark ** Registered Linux user # 182496 ** On Fri, 21 Jul 2000, dallard wrote: Mark I installed netscape 4.74 on my mandrake 7.0 machine yesterday. It seems to have the same problems that 4.70 had (my previous version). Netscape crashes on certain java pages and sometimes takes up al l the cpu. same as before. Oh well mabe next patch. :0) Hope that helps Dany Allard Mark Weaver wrote: Did they fix the java problem in 4.74, or does it still runaway with the CPU now and then like 4.73 does? -- Mark ** Registered Linux user # 182496 ** On Wed, 19 Jul 2000, victor gvirtsman wrote: found it today at ftp.netscape.com -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jul 23
Re: [expert] Laplink
On Sun, 23 Jul 2000, Darryl Gibson wrote: Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 18:55:15 -0400 From: Darryl Gibson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [expert] Laplink Sevatio Octavio wrote: I didn't catch your original question. Are you wondering about remote controlling another pc? Or is this a laplink specific question? I want to transfer files between two linux boxes, using a laplink cable. I was hoping there would be program such as laplink or Xtree gold to help me set it up. I should do some further research into Midnight Commander, it has a file transfer command, I just need to find the docs. on how to set it up. Have you checked out VNC? It's free at http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/ . All you need is a browser to control another pc. Thanks, that's a cool website. Unfortunately, VNC uses tcp/ip, and I don't have any spare serial ports. They mention it could be modified for rs-232, but that is way over my head. I think you are referring to PLIP, similar to SLIP, which is Parallel line interface protocol. You can make a virtual 2-machine network using PLIP, check out the HOW-TO on www.linuxdoc.org. -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jul 23
Re: [expert] Laplink
On Sun, 23 Jul 2000, Darryl Gibson wrote: Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 19:36:11 -0400 From: Darryl Gibson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] Laplink Anton Graham wrote: What about tcp/ip over a PLIP connection? Check out the Laptop and Net HOWTO's (I haven't doen this myself) That's something I hadn't thought of. I was hoping for a canned solution though, not something that will take me another month to configure. Oh well, this is linux, sometimes you have to roll your own. OTOH, maybe I'll find some ready to run scripts? Maybe you want to run another getty on a parallel port like a serial line, and use sz rz commands to send and recieve. I did that last in the 1.xx kernels, I think. -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jul 23
Re: [expert] Pentium 200Mhz/MMX and Mandrake - Resource Efficient?
On Sun, 23 Jul 2000, Anton Graham wrote: Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 17:38:22 -0700 From: Anton Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] Pentium 200Mhz/MMX and Mandrake - Resource Efficient? Submitted 23-Jul-00 by Ellick Chan: On Sun, 23 Jul 2000, Anton Graham wrote: Your're correct, but I never got that to work on my Sony VAIO N505VX laptop which has the YMF744b chip. The most frequent cause of people believing that ALSA doesn't work for them is the fact that it mutes all audio channels by default and you need to use a mixer capable of unmuting them (I recommend alsamixer, simply because I'm used to it. You only need to do this once, anyhoo.) Maybe, but I ws playing with cooker at the time, and enough things were broken as-is. Also, the Yamaha support was just recently added, so things were still a bit buggy. There were some problems with the Yamaha support in 0.5.8 that were subsequntly fixed in the a and b releases (I use the 'a' release here). If you are interested, I can send you a copy of the relevent portion of /etc/modules.conf so you can compare it against what you did originally. Yes please, I would like to see it. One other important consideration when compiling ALSA is to ensure that you build it with OSS compatibility, because there are just too many apps that expect that you have OSS. Should I just use the Mandrake RPM for alsa, or compile it myself. The RPM would require me to change a kernel. Changing a kernel is not too bad, but my laptop is really painful to get working perfectly. I'm sorta hesitant to change things, as they tend to break reiserfs here, but I can try to compile the latest alsa stuff. -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jul 23
Re: [expert] Laplink
On Sun, 23 Jul 2000, Darryl Gibson wrote: Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 21:33:30 -0400 From: Darryl Gibson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] Laplink John Aldrich wrote: Have you considered putting a lan card in each and using ssh/sftp or even just plain old ftp to copy the files over? What about setting up nfs and using NFS to copy 'em over the network? Yes I have, in fact that is next on my to-do list. Let me bring this list up to speed, as to why I want to transfer files. When I set up this file system, the hard drive was in a 486/33, with 8megs of ram. Now its in a 586/100 with 64 megs of ram. I want to increase my swap partition from 32megs to at least 64megs. I have loads of free disk space, but I can't free it up. Unless there is a way to unmount the hard drive I'm using, while I'm using it!? I recommend that you try to boot off a cd-rom based distro such as demolinux, www.demolinux.org, then use that to change your root-fs, or use a one-floppy distro to do the same. If you just wanted to add swap, all you have to do is: dd if=/dev/zero of=swap bs=1024 count=32k mkswap swap swapon swap edit fstab to add swap config I have considered using Partition Magic on the drive, but that raises other issues such as: 1. My PM disk is on loan to a friend, and he has taken a unplanned holiday out of town. I learned never to lend without serious consideration, as Shakespeare said something like this: "Never a borrower or lender be, as that oft raises problems" 2. When I installed Linux on this drive, I forget where I installed Lilo. From what I've read on the Newbie list, if Lilo is on the MBR, I can kiss it good bye by running PM. Can I tell where Lilo is by looking in fstab? Lilo most commonly resides on the MBR, it is not a file, but rather a special area of the hard drive. To reinstall lilo, all you have to do is type in "lilo" as root. 3. I should back up my files before messing around with the hard drive geometry. I normally don't but it is a wise idea to. 4. The backup method I'm used to, isn't supported in Linux, unless parallel port tape drives have recently been supported? A lot of scsi tape drives are supported, and if your HD is not too big, you can back up on floppy disks, or zip/jaz disks. You *can* set up something similar to laplink using a terminal adapter util such as minicom and setting up on linux box to "answer" the phone however, from what I recall, you'll find a 10-megabit network a LOT faster! That is an option, spare modems are readily available. And I need to look into Elick's suggestions also. So many options, so many decisions, isn't Linux wonderful? Darryl Gibson Linux Neophyte (tm) RLU # 182668 This computer is 100% Microsoft FREE -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jul 23
Re: [expert] reiser question
On Sun, 23 Jul 2000, Vic wrote: Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 21:43:26 -0500 From: Vic [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [expert] reiser question Just wondering, how does everyone who is trying out the reiser fs like it? Any pros cons? Check the faq on www.devlinux.org/namesys It overall is faster, saves space, and prevents annoying long fsck's after a crash. However, there are only a limited amount of kernel patches, and some of them are known to cause compat problems with other patches such as win4lin and stuff. It makes it real hard to stay on a development kernel, as sometimes it fails to mount rootfs. It really is more for servers and the like that don't need kernel upgrades or reboots. -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jul 23
Re: [expert] ALSA Yamaha XG
On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, Sevatio Octavio wrote: Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 04:33:47 GMT From: Sevatio Octavio [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [expert] ALSA Yamaha XG Some of you mentioned that you were able to get ALSA to work for Yamaha XG cards. And you said that ALSA sounded better than OSS. I'm currently using the OSS driver. Could you tell me if ALSA gives you bass treble controls or is it a hardware issue? Before I forget, one more question. Have any of you played with Alsa on a laptop. I am also using the OSS drivers for my YMF744b on a Sony VAIO N505VX, similar to the N505VE, except it is a PII. The OSS drivers require resetting on resume, do the alsa drivers have that same issue? Seve -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jul 24
Re: [expert] ALSA Yamaha XG
On Sun, 23 Jul 2000, Anton Graham wrote: Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 22:03:54 -0700 From: Anton Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] ALSA Yamaha XG Submitted 24-Jul-00 by Sevatio Octavio: Some of you mentioned that you were able to get ALSA to work for Yamaha XG cards. And you said that ALSA sounded better than OSS. I'm currently using the OSS driver. Could you tell me if ALSA gives you bass treble controls or is it a hardware issue? AFAIK, no soundcard has _driver_ controlled bass/treble under any OS. What you may have seen in the past is a kind of preprocessing software that performs the same function. Are you sure, that not even possibly the extremely high-end soundcards from Yamaha do such processing? I know that they have an XG chip on them, that handles the midi rendering, but maybe it does the bass and stuff too. There is a setting for Bass on on SonySetup under windows. I haven't tested to see if the settings affected Linux yet, but knowing Yamaha chips, they may have enough logic on them to do that job. Then again, you can correct me if you know more about the chip. I'd really like to find out what level of ability the chip has on it's own. There are bass boosting plugins and equalizers for popular MP3 players, which are basically the same idea, they perform a calculation of the digital data to produce the same effects that real bass boost circuitry or equalizers would. None of the MP3 players I have used actually have specific bass/treble controls either, because fiddling with the equalizer [wc]ould give more fine-tuned results. -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jul 23
Re: [expert] AMD Chips and Mandrake
On Sat, 22 Jul 2000, Sevatio Octavio wrote: Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 10:27:53 GMT From: Sevatio Octavio [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [expert] AMD Chips and Mandrake Are there any problems with using AMD chips for running Linux? Not as far as I've seen, I have a K6-2, K6, and an Athlon. They seem to work as equally well as the Intel counterparts in everything I've tried so far. Seve -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jul 22
Re: [expert] Version 7.1 HUGE install problem
On Thu, 20 Jul 2000, Sarang Lakare wrote: Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 17:24:53 -0400 From: Sarang Lakare [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] Version 7.1 HUGE install problem this is really rediculous.. I hate mandrake for 7.1.. I had fallen in love with Mandrake with their 7.0 release.. and 7.1 is really crappy when it comes to installation.. there are things that don't work and machines that run perfectly with 7.0 but don't install/run 7.1.. and there is that crappy upgrade to 7.1 which takes a whole day to upgrade! wake up mandrake b4 u loose u're loyal followers... don't give out a beta product. -sarang You guys are right, Mandrake 7.1 required much more expert tweaking than 7.0 to work, but I love reiserfs too much. My Sony laptop (Neomagic chip) had the X-server set up correctly with 7.0, but bombed on 7.1; I had to manually fix the config file. Also, my Voodoo 3 3500 tv in my desktop bombed, and I had to fix that too. I am also not too happy that they did not include the libstdc++-devel when you check development, most students are out to learn c++ in classes, making it difficult to convert other college students to Mandrake, if it cannot compile their programs without some tweaking. The last complaint is that the installer is buggy as crap, it messes up on tons of things, sometimes just randomly quitting when selecting RPMS, etc. And the old trick to install off a bootable cd for Sony laptops "linux ide1=0x180,0x386" also seems to be broken now. I hope they fix these eventually, but I'm happy enough to know what I'm doing to stay on the cutting edge... :) -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jul 20
Re: [expert] OpenSSH won't accept connections?
On Thu, 20 Jul 2000, Steven Boothe wrote: Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 16:32:24 -0700 From: Steven Boothe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [expert] OpenSSH won't accept connections? On Thu, 13 Jul 2000, you wrote: On Thu, 13 Jul 2000, Steven Boothe wrote: Hello everyone. I am having a bit of trouble getting openssh to accept connections. Can anyone help by either direct comment or either pointing me where to look for additional information? So far I have installed sshd on other RedHat machines without issues. But since I have began using LM7.1 I - have been running into this error message: "ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host" Things I have done so far include: - checked /etc/inetd.conf for appropriate uncommented entries for sshd - checked /etc/hosts.deny to ensure proper clearance for my hosts - checked /etc/ssh/sshd_config for appropiate entry in the "ListenAddress" - field. This exact problem bit me big time a while back. If hosts.allow or hosts.deny exists, add to hosts.allow: sshd : ALL You need this even of you are not running sshd from inetd. First, thank you to all who read and replied. I was doing quite well due to this last great tip. However, as soon as I changed the "ListenAddress" value to work for a different internal network, everything went back to broken again??? This is very strange. Now I can't even seem to reverse the issue. When I now attempt to connect I get a "Secure connection to network addr refused"??? I have checked: - /etc/hosts.allow ALL:ALL - /etc/hosts.deny#ALL:ALL - /etc/ssh/sshd_config ListenAddress: network addr Is there anything I am missing? I haven't setup ipchains with any rules either... I just can't figure what the problem could be? (I've never had any of this trouble with Redhat 6.2, though admittedly because Redhat comes out of box much less secure... ) Steven Sorry for writing so low, but did you try ssh -v to get verbosity on, that is how I debugged mine to work... -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jul 20
Re: [expert] OpenSSH won't accept connections?
On Fri, 21 Jul 2000, Steven Boothe wrote: Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 15:00:24 -0700 From: Steven Boothe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] OpenSSH won't accept connections? On Fri, 21 Jul 2000, you wrote: ... ... but in your case, when I ssh to the IP your logs show, it seems to wait for a long time. That's probably because that IP address is behind a firewall... Nope, I can ssh outta here fine to at least 2 machines not behind firewalls. I gotta run out for dinner soon, could you run an nmap on your system? Wow, running nmap was an awsome idea (thanks)! Just look at this output: " your're welcome Starting nmap V. 2.30BETA17 by [EMAIL PROTECTED] ( www.insecure.org/nmap/ ) Interesting ports on (63.196.197.254): Port State Service 25/tcp opensmtp 113/tcpopenauth TCP Sequence Prediction: Class=random positive increments Difficulty=1562052 (Good luck!) Remote operating system guess: Linux 2.1.122 - 2.2.14 Maybe sshd isn't running, check by running "ps ax" Nmap run completed -- 1 IP address (1 host up) scanned in 0 seconds " What do you make of that? Nothing's open on port 22??? Yet I have the "ListenAdress" variable set to "63.196.197.0", and now I've even set hosts.allow to ALL:ALL, and hosts.deny to null. Not to mention that /etc/rc.d/init.d/sshd status == running... This is really odd...? Either sshd is not running, or due to some error. Try to look at the sshd logs, maybe in /var/log/messages. Also, if you can, stop sshd, then run it on a terminal windows/console. This allows you to interactively see any errors present, run "sshd -d" to enable debugging to get the logging of what is happening as the client tries to connect to the daemon. This should help quite a bit. If none of these seem to work, change your mandrake security level using msec, "msec 0" I think. But do remember to change it back later. Another problem I had before was that firewalling was turned on in linuxconf, and that disabled all outside services, it essentially locked me out of remote usage of my machine. That may be also a possible cause. Good luck! -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jul 21
Re: [expert] OpenSSH won't accept connections?
On Fri, 21 Jul 2000, Steven Boothe wrote: Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 15:00:24 -0700 From: Steven Boothe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] OpenSSH won't accept connections? On Fri, 21 Jul 2000, you wrote: ... ... but in your case, when I ssh to the IP your logs show, it seems to wait for a long time. That's probably because that IP address is behind a firewall... I gotta run out for dinner soon, could you run an nmap on your system? Wow, running nmap was an awsome idea (thanks)! Just look at this output: " Starting nmap V. 2.30BETA17 by [EMAIL PROTECTED] ( www.insecure.org/nmap/ ) Interesting ports on (63.196.197.254): Port State Service 25/tcp opensmtp 113/tcpopenauth TCP Sequence Prediction: Class=random positive increments Difficulty=1562052 (Good luck!) Remote operating system guess: Linux 2.1.122 - 2.2.14 Nmap run completed -- 1 IP address (1 host up) scanned in 0 seconds " What do you make of that? Nothing's open on port 22??? Yet I have the "ListenAdress" variable set to "63.196.197.0", and now I've even set hosts.allow to ALL:ALL, and hosts.deny to null. Not to mention that /etc/rc.d/init.d/sshd status == running... ListenAddress 63.196.197.0 means only guys with an ip that matches 64.196.197.x can get in. I'm sure you would want 0.0.0.0 (everyone) for that line. That is how I have mine set up, seems to work on any machine. Also, try to "ssh localhost" on that box. Sorry, missed the part about sshd running last time. This is really odd...? -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jul 21
