Re: [expert] How do you upgrade?
On September 1993 plus 3729 days Rob Blomquist wrote: > So the big question is how do you upgrade? Or maybe you don't. Or maybe you > use urpmi to pull off an upgrade that does not interfere. I wanna know, cause > I love linux, but I don't want to be a slave to my computer. I urpmi...I've been urpmi'ing since 8.1 (or 8.2). Some times strange things happen with some packages, like happened with the kde split of 9.1-9.2 but if you pay attention, it's usually easy to fix afterwards. Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] Noise
On September 1993 plus 3727 days [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 09:15 am, many eyes noted that Kwan Lowe wrote: >> > What is reading/writing on my harddrive every 5-6 seconds? >> > If I go to runlevel 3, whatever it is, stops. >> > Runlevel 5 uses Kde 3, so it must be something in there. >> > I turn every app I see off, but still no result. >> >> Probably some sort of log. You can try sending logs to a remote server or >> shutting down syslog entirely to help troubleshoot. Take a look in >> /var/log and see if there are any files that are growing or with recent >> timestamps: >> >> $ cd /var/log >> Sort by size >> $ ls -lSrh * >> Sort by date >> $ ls -ltr > > Possibly try:- > > find / -type f -mmin 01 > > that should tell you what files have been written in the last minute. > > Also maybe try:- > > ps auxwww > > that should show you all the running processes and might be of help? I've been following this threadand it just came to my mindcheck if FAM is runningfam polls the HD every so often and then warns whichever programs need warnings about HD changes...I'm starting to think it's fam that's doing you in. Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] urpmi questions
On September 1993 plus 3725 days Jason Williams wrote: > Evening everyone. > > I just installed Mandrake 9.2 via FTP onto one of our servers to test > out. We are looking for a replacement OS for our servers. One thing I > wanted to learn is some of the Mandrake specific tools, specifically > urpmi and msec. > > I was working with urpmi trying to learn its functions and have a > couple of questions. > > Is there a way to list the packages that are available to download? "urpmq --list" will give you a list of all available packages, without versions. "urpmq --fuzzy samba" will give you all packages that have samba in the name or description. I recommend reading the man pages for all the urpm* commands. > > For instance, I was playing around and typed: > > urpmi samba > > It gave me a list of dependencies, which is nice, but then said it was > going to install samba 2.2.8a. Is there a way to grab the 3.0 > version? samba3 is only in contrib, so you need to have a contrib source configured to be able to install samba3. Due to it being in contrib, it's named in a distinct way, which in this case means adding the 3 to the name of all packages. So to install samba3, you do "urpmi samba3" :) > Secondly, is there a way with urpmi to see what versions of the > software I have? I know I can with rpm -qa |grep . Can you do > this with urpmi? urpmq -r will give you the release and version of the package. The problem with that output is that it'll give you release and version of available packages, it doesn't care or differentiate between installed and not installed. I'm not sure if there's a way of doing the same thing as "rpm -q package" with urpmi. Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] bash script: interesting case
On September 1993 plus 3723 days Fajar Priyanto wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Dear all, > I have a dial-up server (it dials the ISP to provide internet connection for a > small LAN) on a remote location. > Now, I want to ssh to that server. Can I make somekind of script so that > everytime it dials the ISP, it will send it's assigned IP to my email? All > this time, everytime I want to ssh it, I call the local admin for the IP > address. Uhm...there's way easier ways to do this, like http://dtdns.com/ Don't suffer, just use a working method :) Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] (OT)Uh..... Am I alone in noticing the insanity?
On September 1993 plus 3721 days Praedor Atrebates wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Well, I gotta say that Redhat does have a point. I do think that linux is not > yet ready for the everyday desktop user except for Lindows - for a relatively > small subpopulation. I have to disagree with you...my mom's first computer was a linux box I gave her for xmas 4 years ago...she has no problem using it. My 3yo nephew has been using linux for about a year (ok, he's precocious, but it had to happen, seeing as he comes to visit at least every 3rd day and there's computers everywhere in my house) and has never had a problem, except that I have to make sure only his login has the frog icon on it, because I think that's how he recognizes his name on the computer. Hell, my sister uses linux whenever she comes visit with my nephew, because there's nothing but linux in this house and in my parents' house. Can my mom, sister and nephew install and configure linux on their own? of course not...but they can't install and configure any other OS either. I install and configure linux for them, as well as do admin chores (updating and so on) for them remotely...just like any admin does for any user. So, my experience tells me...hell yes, linux is ready for the desktop of the mortal, as long as it's pre-installed, either by the HW company they get their computer from or by the friendly family geek. Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] (OT)Uh..... Am I alone in noticing the insanity?
On September 1993 plus 3721 days James Sparenberg wrote: > Lycoris deciding that it can rewrite the GPL. Uhm...for their own code, yes, they can...it won't be the GPL any more, but it's their own license. Depending on the changes, it may or may not still be Free Software and/or Open Source Software, but they *can* write any license they may want for *their own code*. On the other hand, I hadn't heard anything about this...could you point me to any URLs that talk about this? Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] Download and Powerpack editions
On September 1993 plus 3704 days Gonzalo Avaria wrote: > On Thursday 23 October 2003 19:36, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: >> If there is something on the Download that's not in Powerpack, or some >> other reason I might need Download, then I need to get started >> downloading as Bittorrent is going to keep me occupied for another >> week. I want to go ahead and serve my time in bittorrent prison if I >> need to. > > And you are using a P2P to download a pay distro??? I don´t think that´s > correct to ask here... > Sorry but don´t like this kind of posting. Silver and above club members have torrent access to the first 3 powerpack CDs from mandrake...it's not warezing that he's talking about. Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] Re: Why not use the default directories?
On September 1993 plus 3700 days T. Ribbrock wrote: >> QMail is a great example, Gee lets put all >> of our executables in /var and the forbid the user to change it. > > I seem to remember that there is reasoning behind this on part of the > author - it's been a while, though, that I read about it. He has his own reasons to do it, and he has lots of writings explaining it...he has never managed to convince me or anybody I know that he's right, but he does have his reasons :) But the main reason why I've never use any of his stuff is simple: it isn't Free/Open Source. Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] MDK9.2 for Club members.
On September 1993 plus 3696 days James Sparenberg wrote:
> On Tue, 2003-10-14 at 23:31, s wrote:
>> On Wednesday 15 October 2003 01:06 am, James Sparenberg wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > for the life of me I can't get the switch to work.
>> > --max_upload_rate 8 keeps giving me an error saying that I have too
>> > many parameters. I'm trying trickle right now to see if I can
>> > throttle it that way. you are right though... at first I was doing
>> > about 7kbps both ways and then the upload jumped to 30kbps which
>> > had me maxed out.
>>
>> yep, I got that too. I ended up editing the
>> /usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/BitTorrent/download.py file.
>>
>> hth,
>> -s
>
> 2 questions... did it work? Where in the file?
It works, I did it too after s mentioned it. It's on line 78
('max_upload_rate', None, 0,
'maximum kB/s to upload at, 0 means no limit'),
You change the first 0 to 13 or whatever you want and it works. Just
don't pass the --max_upload_rate switch to the command anymore after
the change.
Vox
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Re: [expert] MDK9.2 for Club members.
On September 1993 plus 3696 days Greg Meyer wrote: > On Wednesday 15 October 2003 12:50 am, Tim Sawchuck wrote: >> On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:38:50 -0700 >> >> James Sparenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > Go to the club and get your bittorrents running. Mainly because >> > right now I think I'm dang near the only one on the torrent >> > *grin* I need some speed!!! >> >> I'm not a member, but there are **tons** of complaints on >> www.madrakeusers.org >> that everyone it downloading awfully slow. >> >> Since I did the urpmi update to 9.2 a month ago, I'll just wait until >> all the mirrors are not slashdotted! ;-) >> > I think a big reason for the slowness is that the uploads are choking > the downloads. Most consumer oriented broadband services are > half-duplex, so if you max out your upload, you can't download > anything. I set --max_upload_rate to about 80% of my upstream cap and > my download took off. I went from 30KB/s to about 210KB/s. I tried doing that, but I'm getting a weird error from it...if anybody's got a clue, I'd be happy :) [EMAIL PROTECTED] vox]$ btdownloadcurses.py --max_upload_rate 10 "/home/vox/mytorrent-vox.torrent" These errors occurred during execution: [00:45:23] error: Too many args - 0 max. run with no args for parameter explanations [EMAIL PROTECTED] vox]$ Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] OT: Big Disks, Old Mobos and Autotranslation???
On September 1993 plus 3693 days Rob Blomquist wrote: > Yesterday, I went out and innocently bought an 80Gb drive for a little server > I was planning on rebuilding. I have an old pentium here with a couple of 80gig HDs and a 1gig HD...all you need to do is install in the small disk so the computer boots from it...once linux is running, it'll see the 80gig HD without a problem...I actually remember (and my roommate confirmed just now) that we have the 80gig disks marked as non-existant in the BIOS...linux checks the IDE controllers while booting and doesn't care about what the BIOS says. Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] Mail server
On September 1993 plus 3686 days Richard Bown wrote: > Hi all, > that friend of my, is wanting to setup a mailserver, on his gateway > machine. > I use postfix here, which I dont think has any POP retrieval facilities. > He wants to be able to run it on his firewall/gateway machine and pull > all his mail from the ISP's POP server on to it, then POP it down to > individual machines on the LAN.. > As I'm going to have to go over there and set up, I'd like some guidance > which packages to use. postfix+fetchmail+a pop3 server...imapd package has pop3 server if I remember right. Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] Att Vincent.
On September 1993 plus 3682 days Vincent Danen wrote: > On Wed Oct 01, 2003 at 02:04:29AM -0500, Vox wrote: > >> >> > translations, the better. I will refuse none (other than perhaps >> >> > klingon!) >> >> >> >> Come on! klingon translations are important! :) >> > >> > Not to me... =) I'd rather have one in elvish if possible. >> >> Elvish is good...but it's damn hard :) > > Yeah... it would be pretty tough. But very very cool. =) > >> > (I am *so* not into star trek) >> >> ARGH!!! Somebody in Canukland go cut his GeekCard in half! :P > > lol. > > You know, I've never been into star trek... not even as a kid. Star wars is > a different story tho. =) Aha! That explains a lot...your brain has been corrupted by Ewoks! > Wanna do a wookie translation? =) See? Big Ewoks have corrupted your brain! :) Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] Att Vincent.
On September 1993 plus 3682 days Vincent Danen wrote: > On Wed Oct 01, 2003 at 06:13:16PM +0200, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: > >> > Wanna do a wookie translation? =) >> >> I could offer a Kenny translation for all SouthPark addicts... > > lol. > > I kinda think we should stop this now... this is getting *way* OT. OT? A discussion about the merits of ST vs SW is never OT!! :P Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] Att Vincent.
On September 1993 plus 3682 days Vincent Danen wrote: >> > translations, the better. I will refuse none (other than perhaps >> > klingon!) >> >> Come on! klingon translations are important! :) > > Not to me... =) I'd rather have one in elvish if possible. Elvish is good...but it's damn hard :) > (I am *so* not into star trek) ARGH!!! Somebody in Canukland go cut his GeekCard in half! :P Vox, who already grabbed the .po file -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] Att Vincent.
On September 1993 plus 3681 days Vincent Danen wrote: > On Tue Sep 30, 2003 at 08:22:34PM -0700, James Sparenberg wrote: > >> > > > I was going to wait until this week to mention it (when I hopefully >> > > > get the rest of the translations done and can roll out anthill 0.2.4) >> > > > but... >> > > >> > > Arrghhh! Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa. >> > > >> > > I was so deeply wading through the muds of some mailing lists that I >> > > totally neglected some important tasks. >> > > >> > > You gonna have the German one this week. >> > >> > Thanks, wobo. I didn't want to press you guys, but I appreciate you getting >> > that done. =) >> >> Vincent, >> >> Do you need Korean? I might be able to get help from my wife and/or >> her friends if things are too Geeky. > > Absolutely! The more the merrier. Currently I have finished translations > in russian, finnish, polish, and dutch. The incomplete translations are > french, italian, spanish, and chinese. I'd love if some folks could step > forward and help finish those four languages (since it's kind of akward that > they're a mix of that language and english). Beyond that, the more I can help with the spanish, if somebody tells me what's missing from that translation...I hate reading tech stuff in spanish, it usually makes no sense :) But I'll help translate. > translations, the better. I will refuse none (other than perhaps > klingon!) Come on! klingon translations are important! :) Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] Cant Delete File
On September 1993 plus 3680 days [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Monday 29 September 2003 02:01 am, Vox wrote: >> what does "lsattr chrome" and "file chrome" give you? >> >> Vox > > lsattr chrome > lsattr: Inappropriate ioctl for device While reading flags on chrome > > file chrome > chrome: setuid setgid file: invalid mode 0176372. > > Hope that helps > Jack That does sound very very bad...I've never seen lsattr spit that kind of output on an ext* filesystem. I am starting to think it's time you try to format that partition and see if that fixes it...it seems like something is very very bad there. Vox, who is clueless now about this problem -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] Cant Delete File
On September 1993 plus 3680 days [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Monday 29 September 2003 02:01 am, Vox wrote: >> what does "lsattr chrome" and "file chrome" give you? >> >> Vox > > lsattr chrome > lsattr: Inappropriate ioctl for device While reading flags on chrome > > file chrome > chrome: setuid setgid file: invalid mode 0176372. > > Hope that helps > Jack That does sound very very bad...I've never seen lsattr spit that kind of output on an ext* filesystem. I am starting to think it's time you try to format that partition and see if that fixes it...it seems like something is very very bad there. Vox, who is clueless now about this problem -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] Cant Delete File
On September 1993 plus 3680 days [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Monday 29 September 2003 01:06 am, David Guntner wrote: >> Root can delete any file or directory in the system. What's stopping you >> from su'ing to root and deleting it that way? >> >> --Dave > Kde says Access Denied > > Shell: (su as root) > rm chrome > rm: remove write-protected weird file `chrome'? y > rm: cannot remove `chrome': Operation not permitted > > rd chrome > rmdir: `chrome': Operation not permitted what does "lsattr chrome" and "file chrome" give you? Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] Samba 3.0 is out
On September 1993 plus 3677 days [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 12:58:46 -0500, Vox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> [Samba 3.0's] in contrib, been there for a while, thanks to >> Buchan...unfortunately, they took too much time to get it out, and >> it didn't make it into 9.2 main...but it'll be there for >> 9.3/10/whatever :) > > The press release is dated Wednesday (which I don't consider "a while > ago") and I don't see Samba 3 at MandrakeClub. Are you sure? Maybe > you're thinking of a RC or some other pre-release? Don't know about club, but it is definetely in contrib, and has been since the pre-3 releases...I think Buchan made CVS rpms for contrib while he was working on the best way to package it before 3.0 actually was released. The 3.0 final rpm was uploaded yesterday to contrib, according to changelog mailing list, but I know I saw samba3 rpm announcements for at least the last 2 months. Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] Samba 3.0 is out
On September 1993 plus 3677 days [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > "Samba 3.0 contains the first OSS implementation of Windows NT Primary > and Backup Domain Controller functionality. Customers can transparently > migrate their existing Windows NT domains to Samba 3.0 whilst keeping > their existing user and group account databases. This enables > significant cost of ownership savings over a Windows NT4 domain as a > Samba 3.0 Domain Controller does not require client access licenses. > Existing Windows tools can be used to manage a Samba PDC, allowing > customer Windows expertise to be leveraged in a domain migration. A > choice of LDAP back-ends allows integration with an existing customer > directory service." It's in contrib, been there for a while, thanks to Buchan...unfortunately, they took too much time to get it out, and it didn't make it into 9.2 main...but it'll be there for 9.3/10/whatever :) Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] Security Updates - Versions DON'T MATCH CVEs
On September 1993 plus 3676 days Albert Whale wrote: > I guess my point was missed. We don't want to perform queries. > Unless the PHP or HTML Page we pull up from MandrakeSecure Queries the > Data to sort it and correlate the CVEs and the MDKSAs (and RPM names). > This is what the Management Teams want to see, one page (maybe more), > of Vulnerabilities to Updates. Thus while you're going through the > chart of vulnerabilities, we can EASILY Correlate one page to the > report. Do you really want all of us querying the CVEs for each > server?? > > Apologies if you thought that I was hollering, as I wasn't. Just > thinking aloud to stress a point. We work with Mandrake and Nessus to > make the Security Issues disappear. Making it easier to perform our > duties benefits all of us. Uhm...well, I just went to mdksecure and did a search on no item on the CVE search field (just put cursor in it and hit Go button). I see the CVE number, MDKSA number and description of the problem. Since I do keep everything up to date in all boxes I admin, I use that table for "ok, said item is fixed, so I'm well"...but maybe Vincent could be convinced (if he has the time, which I know is usually the biggest problem for him) to add the full rpm name for at least the last normal distro (9.1 as of today) and probably the 2 corporate servers (MNF8.2 and CS2.1 as of today) to that list. Or just add a page which displays the same thing as the blank search plus the rpm names for all currently supported distros. I don't know the internals of the database he's got with the advisories, so I can't say how easy or hard this can be. Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] Security Updates - Versions DON'T MATCH CVEs
On September 1993 plus 3676 days Albert Whale wrote: Could you *please* not use HTML to post to the list? I can't read a thing of what you saidand by its lenght, it may be worth reading. So...post as plain text so we all can read what you say...and I'd actually like to see a repost of your mail in a readable format. Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] Security Updates - Versions DON'T MATCH CVEs
On September 1993 plus 3676 days Albert Whale wrote: > Vox wrote: > >>On September 1993 plus 3676 days Albert Whale wrote: >> >> >>>I am running a System Scan on Several machines. The interesting ones >>>to me are Linux Mandrake 8.2 and 9.1. >>> >>>The issue here is that the Scanning Tools (here I am using Nessus), >>>expect a specific reply in order to accept or reject the applications >>>which are communicating on the Server. >>> >>>Even though the Mandrake OpenSSH software is upgraded to the latest >>>version (openssh-server-3.6.1p2-1.1.82mdk) available for the package >>>(from Mandrake), this still does not reflect the package version >>>supportted for openssh (here being 3.7.1 and above). >>> >>>So how do we simplify this Version Numbering and conform with the >>>Expected results? >>> >> >> We don't :) Check the other openssh related threads of this past >> week or so...you'll see Vincent's reasoning as of why there's not >> and will not be a 3.7.1 in mdk. Vox >> >> > Thanks I'll do that, but this makes the jobs of Justify the Mandrake > Package harder to swallow. Perhaps Gentoo is following the > standards?? Uhmmwhat standards? The ones about updating openssh 3 times in 2 days because the version they put out to plug a security hole was rushed out the door and they added a new hole? or the one that got updated because the plug for the 2nd hole in 2 days had stuck in a 3rd hole and had to be updated again? Vincent backported the security patch to a known working version, and we didn't have to update the 2nd nor the 3rd time, only the first one. In my view, *that* justifies the Mandrake Package much much *much* more than the gentoo way. Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] Security Updates - Versions DON'T MATCH CVEs
On September 1993 plus 3676 days Albert Whale wrote: > I am running a System Scan on Several machines. The interesting ones > to me are Linux Mandrake 8.2 and 9.1. > > The issue here is that the Scanning Tools (here I am using Nessus), > expect a specific reply in order to accept or reject the applications > which are communicating on the Server. > > Even though the Mandrake OpenSSH software is upgraded to the latest > version (openssh-server-3.6.1p2-1.1.82mdk) available for the package > (from Mandrake), this still does not reflect the package version > supportted for openssh (here being 3.7.1 and above). > > So how do we simplify this Version Numbering and conform with the > Expected results? We don't :) Check the other openssh related threads of this past week or so...you'll see Vincent's reasoning as of why there's not and will not be a 3.7.1 in mdk. Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] 9.2 pre-orders
On September 1993 plus 3674 days James Sparenberg wrote: > Anytime anyone says how easy windows is I give them one of two > assignments. Setup networking,(win98,ME) or even more fun. Install a > printer that uses a print server under win2000 or XP. Nah! much more fun...install a network card on NT4SP6 and get the network working...if you chose a new enough card, they'll cry ;) Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] Mandrake 9.1
On September 1993 plus 3674 days Jim Lawson wrote: > How do I disable the ctrl,alt and delete from the keyboard to keep the box > from rebooting. Edit your /etc/inittab so the command passed by that key combination is something different than shutdown -r now...I normally change it to /usr/bin/yes so it doesn't error but also doesn't do anything at all. Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] VERY FRUSTRATED, need help. Execute everything on the server and display on the workstation? How?
On September 1993 plus 3668 days [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I tried XDM, X-server, and I failed. Nobody would help me, I sent numerous > e-mails to many lists. So... > Is there any other package I can use so my two desktops with slow drives could > just have VNC or other app start and it would go full screen (so it is like they > are working on their own system) and all the applications and everything would > be executed on the server. How can I get that done? > I need easy configuration. Plus I would like to have users run apps on the > server under their own username. http://ltsp.org Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] forgotten knowledge...
On September 1993 plus 3654 days Ronald J. Hall wrote: > On Tuesday 02 September 2003 11:15 pm, Mark wrote: > >> I had thought about that. but then I decided not to do it that way cause >> I'd end up having to edit and clean up too much. So I chose the try the >> elegant lazy method. as it turns out when I used "cat" do combine the >> files all I got was the first page and a wee bit of the last page and that >> was all. don't know what I did wrong. > > Mark, someone else mentioned that they did not think it would work because it > was a binary format. That could be it. Otherwise the "cat" command would have > worked. I've actually used cat to concatenate binary files (.mpg) together...strict standards compliant viewers choke on them, but mplayer plays files created this way without much of a problem. The real problem isn't that the file is a binary, but that the reader of the file doesn't like headers-in-the-middle-of-a-file. Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] FTP Script
On September 1993 plus 3647 days Timothy Brown wrote: > List, > I need to know how to write a shell script that ftps a couple of > files up each day. Any one have any ideas? I'd look into ncftpput and use that in a cronjob...if I remember right, it's fairly easy to use. Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] how to know what processes have opened server socketson linux ?
On September 1993 plus 3650 days Luis Duran wrote: > I need to know how you can get a list like "netstat -ta" with the > fullpath of the process file that opened it, some thing like > > localhost:80 Listen /usr/sbin/httpd2 > > i will apreciate if you answer to me this question "netstat -tpa" I usually do "netstat -ntpa" because it displays IPs instead of trying to reverse-dns em to URIs, so it's faster. Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] I Hate RPM's!!
On September 1993 plus 3618 days [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Why are things this complicated Because you aren't reading the security advisories sent by mandrake. Vincent and the rest of the secteam backport the security patches to the version that came out with whichever release of mandrake that has a vulnerability, instead of just upgrading to the latest stable/secure version of the packages. If you use MandrakeUpdate to update your box, and it tells you there are no security updates, it's because you are on the latest patched version of the packages. This is done so you don't have to download a bunch of packages that have no problems just because they were compiled against the version that the distro was released with. So...you went through all of this without cause or reason. Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] I've lost the ability to make intrd.img's
On September 1993 plus 3608 days James Sparenberg wrote: > H seems I've hit the great non-duplicable problem. Bummer. OK how > about this one. Does anyone know of a way I could build the initrd on > another box, then move it over to this one? Can't be done, AFAIK. Have you checked to make sure loop module is loaded? if it isn't loaded, mkinitrd won't work. Try modprob'ing loop and then try mkinitrd again, see if that works. Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] NIC's
On September 1993 plus 3604 days [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Tue, 2003-07-15 at 14:02, Vox wrote: >> >> The only NIC worth using, IMNSHO, is Intel Etherexpress Pro >> 100+...if you have the inclination, a Pro+/S is a very good model >> too, but the encryption on it isn't really worth unless you are >> doing VPNing between boxes that all have the same NIC. I've tested >> windows boxes against my firewall with my EEPros and the winboxes >> don't come close (about 3k download speed difference with the best >> winboxes using an EEPro too). >> >> I'll use a lot of crappy HW, but for my NICs, I only buy >> EEPros. Worth every cent. >> >> Vox >> >> -- >> Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind >> of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ >> technology than everyone else.-- Donald B. Marti Jr. > > Agreed. I asked the operations folks at Supernews (one of the largest > NNTP providers in the world, who push GIGABYTES of data through their > network) what cards they recommend. They said Intel with the 82559 > chipset. That's all I buy, and they've all worked flawlessly. I highly > recommend them. I have a few networks where we get to push a few tens of gigabytes of data through the servers (LAN servers) every week...all the servers have intel cards...the workstations have all kinds of crap all over the place, because I don't have anything to do with them :) But there's 5 workstations, more or less, at each of those LANs that do have intel cards (I *do* take care of the WSs of the top dogs of the companies I consult for :)...the sites have a box that says "Dead NICs" on the side...I went through the box at one of the sites, out of curiosity...I saw at least 3 cards of each brand and chipset I know...except intel...I asked the HW dude there how often they emptied the box...he said every 3 months or so...and when I asked, he told me he dumps a dead intel card every 4 or 5 box dumps...compared to the other cards, it's paradise :) Vox, who only uses intel on computers owned by him :) -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] NIC's
On September 1993 plus 3604 days Richard Bown wrote: > Hi all > I did send this in when the server was down so it looks like it got > lost. > > My cable connection is not as good as it could be, so called out the > cable guys and to my horror, his win98 laptop downloaded faster than > this machine, > My current NIC is a realtek 8139, and I always thought a linux machine > would floor a poxy winyuk machine. > What NICs are known to work well , ie fast.. The only NIC worth using, IMNSHO, is Intel Etherexpress Pro 100+...if you have the inclination, a Pro+/S is a very good model too, but the encryption on it isn't really worth unless you are doing VPNing between boxes that all have the same NIC. I've tested windows boxes against my firewall with my EEPros and the winboxes don't come close (about 3k download speed difference with the best winboxes using an EEPro too). I'll use a lot of crappy HW, but for my NICs, I only buy EEPros. Worth every cent. Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] CPU temperature question
On September 1993 plus 3600 days Lyvim Xaphir wrote: > On Fri, 2003-07-11 at 00:55, Robert Crawford wrote: >> On Friday 11 July 2003 12:35 am, Vox wrote: >> > On September 1993 plus 3599 days James Sparenberg wrote: >> > > Vox, >> > > Last ditch if you get worried. open the side and put a small desk fan >> > > right on it. From the hardware standpoint. make sure cables (like >> > > ribbon cables) are clear of the fan. Also you might consider case fans >> > > in addition to the volcano fan. (I love volcano myself.) >> > >> > I'm not really worried about the temp...having read the docs from >> > AMD, I won't worry till it hits 65C, which it has never done :) And >> > yes, I like the volcano...has worked well for me...and I do have a >> > case fan at the front and a small fan on the mboard itself...I've >> > been thinking about getting a second case fan for the back, but am >> > too damn lazy to go find one :) >> > >> > Vox >> >> It's been my experience with numerous AMD cpus that anything over 45c. is >> likely to start causing random misc. problems. I always start feeling >> apprehensive when my temps go above 40c. Why AMD states up to 90c. is beyond >> me. The one time I got above 50c. the system became unusable- random lockups, >> shut-down problems, various hanging with programs, etc. Better cooling fixed >> everything instantly, so it was obviously caused by high temps. >> >> wrc1944 >> > > measurement. There can be 10 to 20 deg C difference between the > two, Which is why I see 65C as the get-worried temp on my box...even with a 20C difference, it's 85C...*should* be enough to survive :) > to me it's reflexive it to calculate the error of margin in. The small > investment in HSF research and hardware is well worth the peace of > mind. I absolutely agree..which is why back then I got the volcano 6...and do bug my HW friend about making sure to keep the temp in reign. The other thing is...I never keep a CPU/mboard combo for more than 6-8 months...I get rid of the things as fast as I can...mostly because I *know* I have heavy hands for HW and it's better for me to get rid of it when its still under warranty :) Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] Msec automatic change :(
On September 1993 plus 3599 days James Sparenberg wrote: > On Thu, 2003-07-10 at 23:05, Fajar Priyanto wrote: >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Hello all, >> I've just installed qmail on my mdk91. It was a success. >> However, a few minutes later i found this in /var/log/messages: >> Jul 11 13:01:01 mdk91 msec: changed mode of /usr/sbin/sendmail from 755 to 711 >> Jul 11 13:01:01 mdk91 msec: changed group of /usr/sbin/sendmail from qmail to >> mail >> >> Is it okay? How do I change the way msec operates? >> >> Thanks in advance, >> Fajar. > > rpm -e msec --nodeps *grin* (from one who has just about given up on > msec *grin*) Bah, that's for chickens :P use drakperm to edit the perms for said files and you'll be problemless soon. Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] CPU temperature question
On September 1993 plus 3600 days Lyvim Xaphir wrote: > I considered the Volcano 7 and the Volcano 9 in the following URL while > doing research on HSF's, before I purchased one, and although their > results were impressive the reason I went with the Areoflow was because > it beat those two, plus the majority of the others, both in thermal > resistance and noise rating. I guess I'll bug my HW guru about one of these next time I change my CPU/mboard combo...thanks for the URL :) Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] CPU temperature question
On September 1993 plus 3599 days Robert Crawford wrote: > On Friday 11 July 2003 12:35 am, Vox wrote: >> On September 1993 plus 3599 days James Sparenberg wrote: >> > Vox, >> > Last ditch if you get worried. open the side and put a small desk fan >> > right on it. From the hardware standpoint. make sure cables (like >> > ribbon cables) are clear of the fan. Also you might consider case fans >> > in addition to the volcano fan. (I love volcano myself.) >> >> I'm not really worried about the temp...having read the docs from >> AMD, I won't worry till it hits 65C, which it has never done :) And >> yes, I like the volcano...has worked well for me...and I do have a >> case fan at the front and a small fan on the mboard itself...I've >> been thinking about getting a second case fan for the back, but am >> too damn lazy to go find one :) >> >> Vox > > It's been my experience with numerous AMD cpus that anything over 45c. is > likely to start causing random misc. problems. I always start feeling > apprehensive when my temps go above 40c. Why AMD states up to 90c. is beyond > me. The one time I got above 50c. the system became unusable- random lockups, > shut-down problems, various hanging with programs, etc. Better cooling fixed > everything instantly, so it was obviously caused by high temps. If a box starts locking up on me, the first thing I do is point a big f'ing fan at it and call my friend to get him over to start messing with bigger fans inside...but this box goes months without reboots (22 days currently...last reboot due to an errant move when cleaning up behind the TV...killed the switch that feeds the wall sockets for the whole room ) and I haven't experienced any problems. I *do* get the point of being careful with the temp...thing is...as long as it stays constant and I have no problems with the box, I see no real reason to worry...my case is big (mid tower with 6 open bays), with good airflow inside and behind, and so on...so I don't really worry much :) Vox, who still hates HW -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] CPU temperature question
On September 1993 plus 3599 days James Sparenberg wrote: > > Vox, > Last ditch if you get worried. open the side and put a small desk fan > right on it. From the hardware standpoint. make sure cables (like > ribbon cables) are clear of the fan. Also you might consider case fans > in addition to the volcano fan. (I love volcano myself.) I'm not really worried about the temp...having read the docs from AMD, I won't worry till it hits 65C, which it has never done :) And yes, I like the volcano...has worked well for me...and I do have a case fan at the front and a small fan on the mboard itself...I've been thinking about getting a second case fan for the back, but am too damn lazy to go find one :) Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] CPU temperature question
On September 1993 plus 3599 days Lyvim Xaphir wrote: > On Thu, 2003-07-10 at 02:38, Vox wrote: >> On September 1993 plus 3598 days [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >> > Hello All, >> > >> > After playing with Ksensors tonight I'm now wondering what the threshold >> > temperatures for the CPU and Mother board should be. >> > >> > I have an AMD XP2000+ CPU which is currently running at 60 >> > degrees C while the Mother Board temperature is 24 degrees C. I >> > remember that these temperatures were quite a bit higher during >> > Summer. >> >> Those are more or less the temps I see here on the same >> CPU...since it hasn't let the blue smoke come out, I guess it's >> about right :) >> >> Vox > > Vox, > > 60C is a little too hot. That's 140 deg F. You should be getting > better temps than that. You might be shortening the life of your > CPU. Mmmm...depends on several factors...one is the ambient temp...which is hot like hell here in Monterrey, specially in places without AC, like my house...the real strange thing is that CPU load during summer doesn't vary the CPU temp more than a couple of C degrees...yesterday, with about 6% of CPU in use (X, Enlightenment, 2 emacs, xchat, gaim, licq, a few Eterms...normal stuff) it was at 55C...today, with 95% of CPU in use for the last 8 or 9 hours, the temp is 57C...this box has behaved like that since january when I got it :) > The stock fan that comes with the Athlon is not the best deal in the > world. The real deal is a Vantec Areoflow VA4-C7040. That's a > fantastic piece of engineering, and it doesn't cost an arm and a > leg. I use a Volcano 6, IIRC (I didn't build this thing, a friend did...I don't open computers...HW sucks :) And I think it's doing a very good job, considering the fact that the room I'm in is at 42C at the moment :) > To see what is happening, download Prime95 (mprime2212.tar.gz) from > > http://www.mersenne.org/freesoft.htm I'll check that out, thanks for the suggestion...as I said, HW is not my stuff...one of my other geek friends deals with my HW, I deal with his SW :) Thanks for the bunch of tips...I'll do the SW side checks and I'll pass the HW stuff to my friend...thanks bunches :) Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] CPU temperature question
On September 1993 plus 3598 days [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hello All, > > After playing with Ksensors tonight I'm now wondering what the threshold > temperatures for the CPU and Mother board should be. > > I have an AMD XP2000+ CPU which is currently running at 60 degrees C while the > Mother Board temperature is 24 degrees C. I remember that these temperatures > were quite a bit higher during Summer. Those are more or less the temps I see here on the same CPU...since it hasn't let the blue smoke come out, I guess it's about right :) Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] Security and permissions problems
On September 1993 plus 3591 days Praedor Atrebates wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > After I originally found that all users could see other user's home contents, > I tried first changing to security level 3. Someone else mentioned I could > set the home permission to 700. > > Both methods have screwed up my system and I can't seem to get it back even > though I switched to security level 2. My system is OK at the moment but > there will come a time (how long it takes is unknown as yet) when all of a > sudden, I cannot open konsoles, xterms, or start any app for that matter. > The perms on my home directory will change that will 1) prevent KDE from > working because it can't get write permissions to my home, and 2) kmail wont > be able to download/store email because it wont have write permission to my > ~/Mail directories. I have had to twice login as root and chown > praedor.praedor /home/praedor and set my home perm to 711, then 755. > > I restarted DrakConf and then went to Drakperms and set the security level to > 2 and made sure that /home/* was no longer editable and no longer 700 but > nevertheless I get this repetitious problem. > > What security level will allow users to actually USE their home directories, > window managers, etc, without problems but also prevent other users from > looking at the contents of their HOME dirs? Uhm...I use msec3 always, on all machines, and never have problems using any apps...I think you messed up the perms in drakperms in some way. What I *have* noticed a couple of times (not tried lately...this happened in the 8.x days) is that if you go from a higher level to a lower level of msec, some perms do get messed up and you have to fix them by hand before msec will start listening to you again. But that happened both times going from 5 to 3, and the problems you are referring to are not problems that I can relate to 3 in any way. Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] Security or lack thereof
On September 1993 plus 3590 days [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Mon, 30 Jun 2003, Vincent Danen wrote: > >> This was done, IIRC, to allow people to have a ~/public_html/ directory and >> allow apache to enter the home directory so as to read ~/public_html/ (which >> would allow someone to do something like http://yoursite.com/~preador/). >> That's pretty much the reasoning for it IIRC. >> nothing stopping you from doing a higher security level or modifying the >> defaults. > > I always created a symlink in the user's home directory such as ln -s > /var/www/html/user /home/user/(public_html|html|www|whatever). I always > thought that was a rather useful solution, but I'm open to > criticism. The real problem with that is that you have to a) specifically give each user a web space when they request it and b) write perms inside your /var partition...and I really really *really* hate to give write perms to anybody in my /var partition/disk Vox the paranoid -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] Linux Journal terminology questions
On September 1993 plus 3590 days Jim C. wrote: > I've been reading Linux Journal and I am getting confused over a > couple of references. > > What are they talking about when they use the phrase "application > server". This could be the server portion of a client-server app or > it could be a system that exports /usr/bin mounted as a share etc. Usually it's a server that *runs* the applications displayed on other systems. That is...the processing power needed by an application is supplied by the server, and the client only displays the application/results. In the windows world, however, some people talk about an application server as a server that has the applications installed and shared to be run by the clients. In that kind of application servers (I prefer to call them application storage servers), the processing power is on the client and not on the server. I don't read LJ much, so I can't tell you for sure which of these two kinds of app server they are referring to, tho :) > What is a Content Management System (CMS). Isn't this something > similar to CVS? Uhm...no, CVS is for code...a CMS is like phpNuke or other portal-like systems where you manage files, mail, forums and so on and so forth. Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] "Open relay" using Postfix. Need config help.
On September 1993 plus 3585 days Praedor Atrebates wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > I was under the impression that postfix, by default, didn't work/operate as an > open relay. Does one actually need to alter the config to stop postfix > working as an open relay? No, one needs to alter the config to *start* postfix as an open relay. By default is a closed server that only accepts mail from localhost. Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] Newsflash: Gentoo has forked.
On September 1993 plus 3585 days Praedor Tempus wrote: > Didn't gentoo itself derive from a fork (of Sorcerer) > some year or so ago? No, that was Lunar...gentoo is a parallel and unrelated development. Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] A question if ethics.
On September 1993 plus 3580 days James Sparenberg wrote: > All, > >There exists a project called x0rfbserver that some of our customers > have been using for sharing desktop 0 (unlike vnc it doesn't spawn a new > virtual X terminal but rather actually shares the one the user is using > right now) They use it for monitoring problems (beats the heck out of > guessing what happens you get to see it.) when the user is trying to do > something on their box. > > > The problem comes that the version released by MDK for 9.1 seems to > possibly be the last version The website and the developer have for > all intents and purposes dropped off the net for the last 30-45 days, or > more.(even the hosting agency is no longer in business it seems.) I've > tried to find/ contact this person to find out status to no avail. Now > I'm faced with a question. At what point is it ethical to fork someones > code? There are features that don't work right or that don't work at > all. Along with some things we wish we could add (like tight > compression) at some point in time. The option seems to be to fork the > code and issue a new project at some point. (Yes retain the GPL *grin*) > So in light of this. > > 1. When would it be permissible to fork without the original authors > knowledge? Yes, it would. Happens often with projects where the original developer(s) disappear from the face of the earth. The only think is to allow for enough time to pass before taking over the project (it wouldn't really be a fork...it'd be a rescue takeover, because you'd be taking over the original project and continue its development and not forking off in a different direction while the original project is still being developed). I think ESR has a paper about this somewhere in his site...what I remember about it is that you should try to find the original author in any reasonable way that you can think of, and give it some time (for some reason 60 days keeps coming to mind, but I'm not sure if the paper said so or if its something I'm making up). If you can't find the author after that, go for it. > 2. For the sake of completeness. Would taking it to a dual license > (like say MySQL) be ethical? It wouldn't be legal, AFAIK (IANAL). You'd need the permission of the other copyright holders. Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] NO MAIL TODAY?
On September 1993 plus 3578 days Carroll Grigsby wrote: > On Wednesday 18 June 2003 11:20 pm, Bob Read wrote: >> Has there been little/no mail on this list today? >> If there has been any volume of mail today, would >> someone please let me know directly? >> >> TIA >> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Bob: > Same thing here, although it looks like some folks did get mail. It got fixed > here (EDT) about midnight. Seems like the server went down for about 20 hours or so. > Anyone know the French for "stuff happens"? Yes, it's "sympa"...I hate that POS! :P Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] I Found my Martians
On September 1993 plus 3577 days Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: > The list server has exhibited all sorts of sporadic problems for as long as I've > been a member (since early 2000). Are they still using Sympa? Mailman seems to > be norm for most newer lists. All mandrake mailing lists that aren't maintained by Vincent (ie. those that aren't on mandrakesecure.com) use sympa...and whoever decided that should be shot, IMNSHO. Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] I Found my Martians
On September 1993 plus 3576 days Greg Meyer wrote: > On Tuesday 17 June 2003 12:48 pm, Anne Wilson wrote: >> When the important problem-solving is over - (whisper) could someone >> explain to me about martians? > > Sure Anne, they are little green men that come from the planet Mars :-D. > > Seriously though, my understanding is that they are tcp packets that appear to > have no sender. In other words, they have come from nowhere, yet they are > everywhere. Some device sends out a packet with an improperly configured > header which does not identify the source. Actually, that's only part of the whole thing :) A martian packet is one that comes from a network that shouldn't be sending packets to that interface. If you get a packet from 192.168.1.54 on your public (ie. internet) interface, it'll get marked as martian because a packet from a private interface shouldn't come to the public interface. Same happens with improper headers without identifying source...they get marked as martians because the interface can't confirm it comes from a valid source. Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] Mailing List mis-management?
On September 1993 plus 3575 days Anne Wilson wrote: > Earlier today I sent a post to the newbie list and the expert list, > saying that we should get started on a hardward compatibility list on > the TWiki site. Cross-posted, you understand (not a thing I normally > do, but it seemed justified at the time). > > I received my two copies, which my filters put both into the newbie > folder - or so I thought. However, Eric then mailed me about this. > You may remember that he has brought up this subject before. I think > that it was generally thought that he was mistaken (I admit I thought > so too), but when he raised the question I checked the full headers > for the posts. *Both* of them said > > Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > I had thought it strange that no-one from the expert list had > answered, but it seems Eric is right - it never got there. > > An hour or two later, Greg posted to the newbie list that he had > started the page. I forwarded his post to the expert list, for > information. That was perhaps 5 hours ago. I has not shown up. > > We seem to have serious problems here. And the problems can be summed up in a single thought: sympa sucks planets through capillary straws. Unfortunately, whoever the admin is of the linux-mandrake.com server has never admitted it, not even when there was a long thread about it in cooker@ so I guess we are stuck with the POS (yes, I hate sympa very much, sorry) Vox, who'd love to see all mdk lists run through mailman, at least -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] Dumbest thing you have ever done as Root?
On September 1993 plus 3572 days James Sparenberg wrote: > On Fri, 2003-06-13 at 07:29, Philip Webb wrote: >> 030612 Vox wrote: >> > On September 1993 plus 3569 days DAVID JOHAM wrote: >> > rm -rf /path/to/some/dir /* >> > Yup...that's a space between the last dir and the last slash... >> > it wasn't fun to recover...the box was in a different country :) >> >> i make it a strict rule before any command of the form 'rm -rf *' >> first to do 'd', then to do 'pwd', then to sit >= 10 sec >> with my arms folded behind my back repeating the mantra: >> "that's where i am, that's what i want to remove". >> >> even so, i'm sure that one day ... > > > Yep, > >Vox, it's most likely to happen the day a 2 year old madly banging on > a keyboard just so happens to hit the keyboard in that certain order and > . pooof it kept going till it locked itself up. I know ... my son > did. My nephew used to do that to my mom's computer about 3 times a month...either lock the box up completely lock the box up or just kill her evolution...mom got very scared the first time he locked it up...she hadn't managed a lockup in 3 years (damn, I hate losing that kind of uptime) :) Now (he's 3.3yo), he loves playing in that computer when he visits my parents...I think I'll have to find him some edutainment stuff :) Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] Dumbest thing you have ever done as Root?
On September 1993 plus 3569 days DAVID JOHAM wrote: > # cat cdrom.img > /dev/hda rm -rf /path/to/some/dir /* Yup...that's a space between the last dir and the last slash...it wasn't fun to recover...the box was in a different country :) Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] Syslog not logging in Madrake 9.1
On September 1993 plus 3567 days Graeme J. Hosking wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi all, > > I just noticed that syslod is failing on startup, but klogd is > starting "[OK]". As klogd uses syslogd so the result is absolutely > no logging on my firewall machine. > > Strangely, however, the syslogd process is actually running. I can > start it manually from a terminal with debugging switched on and it > shows connections being opened and closed as other processes try to > create log entries. All log files under /var/log/ have a timestamp > of 4:02 AM this morning (June 8th) but contain 0 bytes. So I'm > thinking maybe the logrotate has screwed things up somehow? The > archive log files are all dated from 3 days ago (June 5th), even > though I'm sure logrotate is supposed to run nightly (it's living in > /etc/cron.daily on my system). > > I've also checked my /etc/syslog.conf file. I've not tinkered with > anything in here since install but I thought I'd check and it all > looks good to me. > > Any pointers would be appreciated as I've run out of ideas? Check the integrity of the binary...sounds like a cracked box to me. Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] Hardware compatibility
On September 1993 plus 3563 days Anne Wilson wrote: > On Wednesday 04 Jun 2003 8:07 pm, Vox wrote: >> On September 1993 plus 3563 days Anne Wilson wrote: >> > On Wednesday 04 Jun 2003 11:49 am, Steffen Barszus wrote: >> >> Am Mittwoch, 4. Juni 2003 12:14 schrieb Anne Wilson: >> Unless you are planning on doing something with that video you >> are getting into your computer (ie. record, edit, export), you >> don't need a good video capture card...any bttv based 20 bucks card >> will let you watch TV in your computer without problems. I have a >> TreeView99 card here, and it worked great for over a year (I >> finally fell into temptation and got a real TV, so I'm not using >> the card anymore...tho it's still in the computer and worked last >> time I used it :) >> >> Vox > > That sounds another option - except for one thing. Every time I look > for specs on any tv card, it doesn't seem to tell me whether it is a > bttv card. Either I don't know what I'm looking for, or.? I > have to find one that is on sale in the uk, so I have to know what > I'm looking for. If you have any suggestions to help me search, I'd > be glad. Take a look at: /usr/src/linux-/Documentation/video4linux/bttv/CARDLIST If you have the kernel source installed...that lists all known working cards (without variations...that is, some manufacturers buy cards from another company and just rebrand them...those aren't listed, AFAIK, so you'll have to find out if a non-listed card is a rebranding of a working card). But, in general, any card that has a BTTV8x8 chipset should work. Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] Hardware compatibility
On September 1993 plus 3563 days Anne Wilson wrote: > On Wednesday 04 Jun 2003 11:49 am, Steffen Barszus wrote: >> Am Mittwoch, 4. Juni 2003 12:14 schrieb Anne Wilson: >> That card is a digital TV card for terrestrial. Drivers can be >> found on www.linuxtv.org. This card is not supported out of the box >> and you can not use apps like xawtv or similar, as this is not a >> normal tv-card. I don't know how far the support for dvbin in >> mplayer is, i think that would be a good app to use this card, or >> if you have a dxr3 you can use the great vdr. >> >> There are two different sorts of digital tv cards. On one side the >> premium cards with an mpeg2-decoder onboard and as second the >> budget cards w/o such a decoder. The first one does provide v4l >> interface and a tv-out, vdr can be used out of the box with this. >> The second one needs software to decode the mpeg2 stream and does >> not provide a v4l interface. The dvbin patch for mplayer tries to >> be able to tune this card and decode the mpeg2 stream. There are >> other apps of course too. A problem may be to get a good >> channels.conf for your area. dvb-s (sat) is very wide spreaded, but >> dvb-t is in a lot areas very new. Further it depends on how many >> stations can be received digital in your area. >> >> I hope this helps you a bit. >> To make it short: with some efforts you will get great picture >> quality.But the nova is completly different to normal analog cards. >> > Thanks, Steffen. This obvioiusly need some thought Unless you are planning on doing something with that video you are getting into your computer (ie. record, edit, export), you don't need a good video capture card...any bttv based 20 bucks card will let you watch TV in your computer without problems. I have a TreeView99 card here, and it worked great for over a year (I finally fell into temptation and got a real TV, so I'm not using the card anymore...tho it's still in the computer and worked last time I used it :) Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] The spam war
On September 1993 plus 3562 days [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Tuesday 03 June 2003 01:09 pm, Miark graced me with: > > > >> I dunno cuz I >> download mail once an hour. > > You got me curious, Miark > ...what do you do those other 59 minutes? > > T :-) That's what I was thinking...I dld mail every 5 minutes...and do have something to download about 3 out of every 4 attempts during the entire day :) Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] unlink symlink
On September 1993 plus 3562 days Brian V. Bonini wrote: > Having a total brain fart, can not remember how to unlink a symlink. rm -f symlink Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] spamassassin assassinated
On September 1993 plus 3559 days Jonathan Dlouhy wrote: > I've got spamassassin working with kmail now. Is there any way of adding > addresses to the blacklist part of "user_prefs" without having to edit the > file manually? None that I know. Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] How to get Mozilla 1.4b to appear to be IE6?
On September 1993 plus 3558 days Trey Sizemore wrote: > How do I get my Mozilla 1.4b browser to appear as IE6 on Windows XP when > I visit sites? Long story short is I'm trying out a language site and > have the plug-in I need, but I think the Moz browser is throwing it > off. UserAgent extension...it's somewhere in mozdev.org Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] spamassassin assassinated
On September 1993 plus 3557 days Anne Wilson wrote: > I see you have autolearn working. I saw reference to sa-learn, and > tried to look at the man entry, but it appears I don't have it. It > isn't on the list as installable, at least by that name. Can you > point me at it? sa-learn is pretty simple to use. You copy/move the spam that doesn't get caught to a folder in your kmail...let's say it's named spam-saved...then go to the console (some people cron this...I don't get enough non-caught spam for it to be worth cron'ing) and do: sa-learn --spam --dir ~/Mail/spam-saved/ I'm not sure if kmail uses a mdir or mbox or whatever other different thing for its email...if it's a mdir or similar format (nnmail in gnus is similar to mdir, but different :) that'll make it learn. If it's mbox you change --dir for --mbox /path/to/file, and if it's an rfc822-format file, you use --file If you want it to learn about a non-spam message that was flagged as spam, you change the --spam to --ham and it'll learn not to mess with it :) Simple :) Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
expert@linux-mandrake.com
On September 1993 plus 3556 days Albert E. Whale wrote: > Vox wrote: > >>On September 1993 plus 3556 days Albert E. Whale wrote: >> >> >>>I am installing 9.1 on an existing system, similar issues encountered on >>>the 8.2 installation (weren't these resolved yet?). >>> >>>Anyway the mdkkdm installation issue I get, and reconfigured it for kde. >>> >>>My problems are: >>> >>>1. Installer did NOT recognize the S3 Video Controller (is this a BAD >>>Video Card?). >>> >> >> S3= Sucks...only thing worse in my experience is Trident...those >> things suck planets through capillary straws. >> > Thanks, that MAY Explain a little on my frustration. I'll get another > Video card to replace it. I like NVidia cards...matrox is good...probably ATI, if their driver is good (I wouldn't bet on it, based on their history). > This however does not explain the KDE Desktop Issue, any other > sugestions? No clue about that at all...haven't touched KDE in many years. Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
expert@linux-mandrake.com
On September 1993 plus 3556 days Albert E. Whale wrote: > I am installing 9.1 on an existing system, similar issues encountered on > the 8.2 installation (weren't these resolved yet?). > > Anyway the mdkkdm installation issue I get, and reconfigured it for kde. > > My problems are: > > 1. Installer did NOT recognize the S3 Video Controller (is this a BAD > Video Card?). S3= Sucks...only thing worse in my experience is Trident...those things suck planets through capillary straws. > 3. The Installer indicates that it will get the latest updates, why the > heck is this not working yet? It's a matter of mirrors, I think, not really of the installer not working. Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] re:samba
This time Gary Hodder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> becomes daring and writes: > On Wed, 2 Apr 2003 09:03:21 +0100, you wrote: > >>On Wednesday 02 Apr 2003 6:18 am, Gary Hodder wrote: >>> Hi Richard and others having trouble with samba. >> >>> Things to change in samba.conf over the default. >>>workgroup = homenet >>>hosts allow = 192.168.100. #change this to the class c you are on >>>os level = 34 #for samba to win election over nt/2000 workstations. >> >>Just be aware that sometimes it needs to be higher than 34 - mine is set to >>99. >> >>Anne > > Mine at home is set to 65 and is a domain controller, a bit of a overkill for > the kids one and only winblows box, the rest are Linux. > I think the browse setting for nt/2000 workstations is 33, unless i'me > mistaken that setting for the server, its been a while since a played with > that stuff. I used 65 as it was a max setting given in a samba doc so I don't > know what the upper limit is and if passing that would effect > anything. The last I saw (this was on the samba-tng list a year ago or so, but was said to apply to normal samba too) 100 is recommended for linux PDCs where XP is present...so, just to make sure, I always set it to 100 :) As for upper limit...I don't think there's one...never heard about one existing back when I was in the samba/samba-tng mailing lists. Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] upgrading
This time synrat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> becomes daring and writes: > Is it possible to upgrade from 9 to 9.1 with urpmi ? I've done 8.2 to cooker to 9.0 to cooker...I don't see why it shouldn't work. There *will* be stuff you'll have to add or delete by hand to get the exact same thing you get with a clean install, but...it isn't much of a problem, at least not for somebody who knows what he wants. Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] Kernel and glibc updates?
This time Martin Fahrendorf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> becomes daring and writes: > Am Samstag, 22. März 2003 01:38 schrieb Vox: >> This time Bryan Whitehead <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> becomes daring and writes: >> > Are we going to be getting kernel updates for the local root >> > problem? >> >> Vincent and the kernel dudes are working on this...some time next >> week you'll get them. Meanwhile you can do, as root: >> >> echo "/path/to/non-existant/file" > /proc/sys/kernel/modprobe >> > > So, what does this exactly do? It disallows auto-loading of modules...which is a step in the exploit of the kernel hole. Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] Kernel and glibc updates?
This time Bryan Whitehead <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> becomes daring and writes: > Vox wrote: >> This time Bryan Whitehead <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> becomes daring and >> writes: >> >>>Are we going to be getting kernel updates for the local root >>>problem? >> Vincent and the kernel dudes are working on this...some time next >> week you'll get them. Meanwhile you can do, as root: >> echo "/path/to/non-existant/file" > /proc/sys/kernel/modprobe >> And you'll be protected. >> >>>Or the new problem with glibc? >> Uhm...haven't heard about this one yet. > > http://www.eeye.com/html/Research/Advisories/AD20030318.html > > :-D > > Basically an rpc problem... effects things like portmap and stuff. (I > not 100% sure portmap is directly open but others seem to think so) Uhm...from what I read there it's a portmap/RPC problem...good thing I don't run portmap anywhere :) > Combo remote exploit using portmap/rpc problem and kernel root is not > good Agreed. > I keep up with this stuff, I have over 100 machines to keep > secure... ;) I usually keep up with this stuff too...but since I don't use portmap I didn't pay attention to it when it went through bugtraq (if it did go through it). Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] Kernel and glibc updates?
This time Bryan Whitehead <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> becomes daring and writes: > Are we going to be getting kernel updates for the local root > problem? Vincent and the kernel dudes are working on this...some time next week you'll get them. Meanwhile you can do, as root: echo "/path/to/non-existant/file" > /proc/sys/kernel/modprobe And you'll be protected. > Or the new problem with glibc? Uhm...haven't heard about this one yet. > It's been days now :P Yes...and right on release week, which means Vincent and the rest of the mdk team are busy as hell or about to die...so...be patient :P Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] Re: Installing mdk9.0 / drakx kickstart problems
This time Todd Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> becomes daring and writes: > Bryan Whitehead wrote on Thu, Mar 20, 2003 at 11:20:23AM -0800 : >> >> After finally getting 9.0 installed (5 hours later), I noted that there >> is much less scsi drivers built for the BOOT kernel then other kernels. >> Why is this? Can't stage2 just have every kernel module built for >> completeness? What the hell is the point of including the mpt drivers in >> all the other kernels except the install kernel? > > Space is at a premium. Mandrake already takes a little bit of heat > because we require 64 Megs to do an install (can do it in 32, but then > it can't inflate the compressed ramdisk image and hence cannot unmount > the CD so only CD1 can get installed). Care to up the minimum system > requirements to 96 Megs? We rule out nearly everything old in the > process, which is one of the things that attracts people to Linux in the > first place. Maybe not Mandrake so much, as we tend to be flashier (ie > bigger footprint). > > It's a quandry. Support the old at the expense of the new? Or support > the new and alienate a community of loyalists? I wish there was an easy > answer. Why not make CD1 installer for big boxes and CD2 installer for small boxes? that way you get the best of both worlds :) Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] Update to Cooker?
This time Dave Sherman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> becomes daring and writes: > This is probably a silly question, but I have so far been unsuccessful > in finding the info I am looking for... > > Can anyone tell me how to update Mandrake 9.1rc2 to Cooker? Uhm...we just went through this thread :) In short: urpmi.addmedia cooker \ ftp://some.ftp.site.com/path/to/Mandrake-devel/cooker with \ ../base/hdlist.cz urpmi.update cooker urpmi --auto-select That should get you going. Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: automatic upgrades via install + drakautoinst WAS: [expert]Mandrake's Golden Opportunity
This time [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David E. Fox) becomes daring and writes: >> The drakautoinst method I'm imagining would avoid all the issues and (most >> of the) complications involved with using urpmi (or apt-get or similiar >> program) to "upgrade" an installation. In terms of package management the > > I've been trying that method more or less with success for many > different dist upgrades. The idea is to pop in a new distro CD (I > first tried it with Red Hat, despite warnings), cd to the new RPMS > directory, and then do 'rpm -Uvh *'. Grabs everything off of the CD > that you already have and upgrades it. That's the way it's intended to > work, but it doesn't always work that way. Uhm...no...-U does upgrade...but if an older rpm isn't installed, it installs the new one. You need to use -Fvh instead. > There are two scenarios where I don't think urpmi would be smart > enough to work around: > > * situatinos where new 'essential' packages / software are put on the > distribution. If you've not installed it before, you'll miss it > unless warned about it beforehand. Packages that depend on the new essential software will call for it, urpmi will deal with it. > * situatiouns where one RPM is broken up into two or more separate > RPMs - for instance gcc which has fractured into maybe 8 separate > RPMs. It might be able to see that foo-common-2.xx.i586.rpm now > needs foo-misc-2.xx.i586.rpm but the RPM yuo have is just > foo-2.xx.i586.rpm. Again, if packaged correctly, dependancies shouldn't be a problem. Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] 9.1 comming?
This time Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> becomes daring and writes: > On Sunday 16 Mar 2003 8:15 pm, James Sparenberg wrote: >> On Sun, 2003-03-16 at 05:55, Mark Weaver wrote: > >> > g-nus can't even talk, how would they be able to read the mail? >> > wait!... are they even a real animal? >> >> (g)Yes they are!... african in fact. However they are able to pronounce >> the word correctly (as in new not guh-new) *grin* > > Way back, and English duo sang > > "I'm a g-nu, a g-nother g-nu > --- nor am I in the least > like that dreadful hartebeast, > Oh g-no, g-no, g-no, I'm a g-nu!" rotfl! Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: automatic upgrades via install + drakautoinst WAS: [expert]
This time [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David E. Fox) becomes daring and writes: >> Outside of that...never had a complaint, as long as you keep a >> generous amount of space in your /var (10gig partition in my desktop > > Yeah, I needed 670 emgs :). > > I'm still doing the auto-select. I'm glad I put in 'contrib' - I also > had a slow mirror in .ca for plf, so I deleted and replaced with a > new entry. > > I also had to apply --force --nodeps --noclean tk the urpmi command > line. Otherwise, I'd probably have to do the whole download again, > which took a little over 2 hrs on a 1.5 mpbs ADSL connection - it's > about a CD's worth of data, if not a little more. I never do --force --nodeps on an urpmi unless I absolutely know what's going on. --noclean will save you from having to re-download the whole bunch of stuff, so...I usually --noclean the first time, and --force --noclean the second one if needed...never needed --nodeps so far. > Even on a 1ghz athlon, it takes a while to slog thru all those > rpms to find out what to do. There were a few xine packages on > plf with bad sigs, so I elected to install them anyway - besides I > use mplayer :). Grab the gpg sig from plf's site and add it to root's gpg ring. > There's a lot of conflicts so far with respect to apache related Oh, yes, apache...there's 2 versions now in...1.33.something and 2.something...the installer installs 2.something, I think, but the 1.33 is there so the people that need stuff that hasn't been ported to 2.x can install it. I'm not sure how they dealt with this...I upgraded to 2.x when it was still in contrib :) > packages and mysql / postgres. In point of fact there apparently Uhm...don't know about mysql nor postgresql conflicts...haven't seen one lately (ie. in the last month or so). Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] 9.1 comming?
This time Vincent Danen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> becomes daring and writes: > On Fri Mar 14, 2003 at 10:24:01PM -0500, Mark Weaver wrote: > >> >There likely is, but I don't know it. I'm probably using 20% of >> >mutt's full potential. I can delete an entire thread, but it keeps >> >coming back the next time I'm in the mail box. I don't think mutt >> >"remembers" this kind of thing, although I could be wrong. >> > >> >> Mozilla does a real nice job of this; keeping track I mean. > > Problem is, I read mail on my ibook and use OS X... so I can use mutt in a > terminal just fine. With Mozilla, the Enigmail stuff is beta for OS X and > doesn't work too hot, so I can't use GPG with my mail if I go the Mozilla > route. Maybe one day... =) Told you once, told you a million times...use gnus! :P Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] Using SSH without passwd
This time Michael Noble <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> becomes daring and writes: > I have been trying without success to use ssh to remote > machines as myself and as root. It works fine as long as > I give a password for the UID. What I need is to be able > to use SSH without the need to be prompted for a passwd. > Can anybody tell me how to do this. > http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-keyc/ And read part 2 and part 3, linked from the bottom of the article. Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: automatic upgrades via install + drakautoinst WAS: [expert]
This time Todd Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> becomes daring and writes: > Vox wrote on Wed, Mar 12, 2003 at 05:24:53PM -0600 : >> >> > 1.2.1 on my Mandrake 9.0 box (compiled by Mandrake developers). One >> > thing is that the upgrade to the version of urpmi/gurpmi in there was >> > bad. urpmi still worked, but it /dev/null'ed all stdout so you couldn't >> > tell what it was doiong. >> Uhm...I don't parse this...could you rephrase it, please? > > Normally you see: > > All I saw with that new version was: Uhm...ok, I see that...I don't like it either...somebody needs to be shot. Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: automatic upgrades via install + drakautoinst WAS: [expert]
This time Todd Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> becomes daring and writes: > Vox wrote on Wed, Mar 12, 2003 at 01:51:35AM -0600 : >> >> your head into a wall. But if you keep cooker and contrib (at >> least...I also keep plf) in your sources, I don't see the > > I also just for the first time two nights ago added the Unsupported I haven't found a package in unsupported that I wanted to use...which makes it a risk not worth taking for me :) But I do think that the more repositories you have in your urpmi the better, specially when you are doing a distro upgrade :) > 1.2.1 on my Mandrake 9.0 box (compiled by Mandrake developers). One > thing is that the upgrade to the version of urpmi/gurpmi in there was > bad. urpmi still worked, but it /dev/null'ed all stdout so you couldn't > tell what it was doiong. Uhm...I don't parse this...could you rephrase it, please? Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: automatic upgrades via install + drakautoinst WAS: [expert]
This time James Sparenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> becomes daring and writes: > As urpmi exists I wouldn't think it would work. I've seen the > distro upgrade done on debian.. If you aren't too far out of date it > works eventually. But if you are way out of date it has a real > chance of creating an unusable box. One other diff I believe exists (as > it's been explained to me) apt-get grabs installs... grabs... using > less ram and less disk. URPMI grabs and grabs then installs. For a > really large installation size this could be a problem. I've done the release-to-cooker thing a few times...it works, for the most part...as long as you keep cooker *and* contrib in your sources. Q&A moves packages between main and contrib some times, and if you have a package that used to be on main installed, and it's moved to contrib without you having it in your sources, you'll bang your head into a wall. But if you keep cooker and contrib (at least...I also keep plf) in your sources, I don't see the problem...at least I've never had a problem :) One thing you *will* have to deal with by hand (and it's where debian is ahead where it comes to dist-upgrade) is those packages that change their config files format...if you have a package that uses a new config type, the new config sample will be an .rpmnew file and the program will refuse to work until you fix the config you have. Happened to me with either openssh or proftpd once :) Outside of that...never had a complaint, as long as you keep a generous amount of space in your /var (10gig partition in my desktop :) Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] Simple question about netstat - not in man pages.
This time Adolfo Bello <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> becomes daring and writes: > On Tue, 2003-03-11 at 03:50, Vox wrote: > >> 0.0.0.0 = any >> >> On TCP/IP networking, 0 as any octet of an IP is, for all purposes, >> a universal globing. That's why I hate people who set their LANs to >> use 192.168.0.x as their IPs...it drives me crazy, even if it's >> valid :) >> >> Vox > Hi Vox: > > I don't know if I understood what you meant by universal globing and why > you hate 0 in IPs. > > As long as 0 is not the ending octet, it has no special meaning in IP > addresses. The same applies to 255, or to any power of 2 number. I know a non-ending 0 octet loses its special meaning...it's just that I've always seen a 0 octet much as a * and it takes me a few seconds to stop seeing it like that when I'm reading IPs on logs or stuff like that. Let's call it a quirk-from-bad-habit :) Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] Simple question about netstat - not in man pages.
This time Jim C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> becomes daring and writes: >> The -l just lists ports that are in the act of listening, whereas active >> connections are listed separately. For instance, if you have another >> computer on your home network (B), ssh from B to A. Then on A, list all the >> TCP connections with a netstat -at. The listening ports (including ssh) >> will show a foreign address of as above, and listed separately below in >> the active connections you'll see your ssh connection from B to A. > > OK, but a potential connection (i.e. listenting) from Local address > 0.0.0.0:[arbitrary port number] to foreign address 0.0.0.0:[arbitrary > port number] represents a possible connection between what IP's? > So far, I have to assume that it is either any IP or no IP. 0.0.0.0 = any On TCP/IP networking, 0 as any octet of an IP is, for all purposes, a universal globing. That's why I hate people who set their LANs to use 192.168.0.x as their IPs...it drives me crazy, even if it's valid :) Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] How to check for open ports?
This time Jim C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> becomes daring and writes: > > Arrgh! Half the people I know belong there! ;-) Only half? :) Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] How to check for open ports?
This time James Sparenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> becomes daring and writes: > On Thu, 2003-03-06 at 09:45, Vox wrote: >> This time Jim C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> becomes daring and writes: >> >> >> IMNSHO, if you don't understand IP,TCP, UDP, you have no business >> >> running a server of any kind, no matter what Microsoft may have told >> >> you. >> > >> > Gee, thanks for the flame. :-/ >> >> It's not a flame, it's a statement of *my opinion*, nothing else. >> >> > >> > Why not? We let people create human beings without training and there >> > is far more risk involved.;-) >> >> And I firmly believe that people shouldn't be allowed to have >> children without extensive psychological and genetical testing...no >> license, no kids >> >> > Truth is that my knowledge about IP, TCP/UDP is adequate although I >> > conceed the point that my experience in working directly with them >> > is noteably lacking - I still get my terminology wrong, forget to >> > mention things etc. I've installed a couple of firewalls, networks, >> > a beowulf cluster and a MOSIX cluster but I had other tools at my >> > disposal then. >> >> I am not a networking guru...hell, half the terminology I use is >> wrong (but I can blame that on the fact that english is not my >> native language :) but I do have plenty of empirical knowledge, >> acquired from all the people I've worked with during the last 15 >> years or so. I don't advocate for a MSCE-like test for computer >> users...theoretical tests don't mean a thing, IMNSHO...but let's >> start giving out practical tests to everybody before allowing them >> to use a computer unsupervised...that'd be paradise :) > > > Of course the obvious question would be who do you want to exclude and > how do you want the results of the test skewed... I can write a test to > exclude any individual or group you'd like. Uhm...any human being who asks a question before reading the documentation? that'd make the IRC channel I hang out a lot more civil :) Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] How to check for open ports?
This time Bill Mullen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> becomes daring and writes: > On Thu, 2003-03-06 at 12:45, Vox wrote: > >> I don't advocate for a MSCE-like test for computer >> users...theoretical tests don't mean a thing, IMNSHO...but let's >> start giving out practical tests to everybody before allowing them >> to use a computer unsupervised...that'd be paradise :) > > There is hope that we can now someday end the (mutual) suffering! > > http://www.satirewire.com/features/siliconpines/acf.shtml Now...THAT I'd vote for! :) If it weren't cause the 4 years I spent at tech support cured me of my niceness, I'd even try to put one up ;) Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] How to check for open ports?
This time Jim C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> becomes daring and writes: >> IMNSHO, if you don't understand IP,TCP, UDP, you have no business >> running a server of any kind, no matter what Microsoft may have told >> you. > > Gee, thanks for the flame. :-/ It's not a flame, it's a statement of *my opinion*, nothing else. > > Why not? We let people create human beings without training and there > is far more risk involved.;-) And I firmly believe that people shouldn't be allowed to have children without extensive psychological and genetical testing...no license, no kids > Truth is that my knowledge about IP, TCP/UDP is adequate although I > conceed the point that my experience in working directly with them > is noteably lacking - I still get my terminology wrong, forget to > mention things etc. I've installed a couple of firewalls, networks, > a beowulf cluster and a MOSIX cluster but I had other tools at my > disposal then. I am not a networking guru...hell, half the terminology I use is wrong (but I can blame that on the fact that english is not my native language :) but I do have plenty of empirical knowledge, acquired from all the people I've worked with during the last 15 years or so. I don't advocate for a MSCE-like test for computer users...theoretical tests don't mean a thing, IMNSHO...but let's start giving out practical tests to everybody before allowing them to use a computer unsupervised...that'd be paradise :) Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] How to check for open ports?
This time Pierre Fortin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> becomes daring and writes: > On Wed, 05 Mar 2003 18:06:04 -0800 Jim C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> The truth is that I do not much care for netstat because I feel that it >> is to much functionality crammed into one little command. I've always >> felt that this is a poor way to manage complexity. > > Even worse is trying to manage complexity without basic knowledge of the > underlying structure. > >> Example of complexity cut from the much vaunted man pages: > >> Now seriously, if you had seen this for the first (or even the fifth) >> time would you know exactly how to use it? How long might it take >> someone to figure it out? Doesn't it seem likely that the person in >> question might have something better to do? This is where folks who get >> >> frustrated with answering questions should focus their ire. > > Not if I didn't first understand IP, TCP and UDP at a minimum... IMNSHO, if you don't understand IP,TCP, UDP, you have no business running a server of any kind, no matter what Microsoft may have told you. Vox, who is a firm believer on tests-before-selling-computers -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] How to check for open ports?
1343/xinetd udp0 0 0.0.0.0:68 0.0.0.0:* 756/dhcpcd udp0 0 0.0.0.0:631 0.0.0.0:* 1407/cupsd udp0 0 192.168.1.1:123 0.0.0.0:* 1295/ntpd udp0 0 127.0.0.1:123 0.0.0.0:* 1295/ntpd udp0 0 0.0.0.0:123 0.0.0.0:* 1295/ntpd As you can see, smbd and nmbd are listed as listening on 137,138 and 139. But if it's being run from xinetd it won't be listed, because it's not really running unless there's an active connection at the moment you netstat. Again, I recommend a "man netstat" Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] How to check for open ports?
This time Todd Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> becomes daring and writes: > Vox wrote on Wed, Mar 05, 2003 at 06:45:03PM -0600 : >> >> > Did I mention simple? >> >> uhm...nothing is simpler than: >> netstat -ntpl >> It'll give you a list of ports that are open in LISTEN or CONNECTED >> state, and what program is keeping the port open...what simpler do >> you want? > > I think he just wanted someone to tell him what to do. Here's some > expansion on the suggestions of others. I suggest the original author > 'man netstat' so he doesn't have to get indignant when the good answers > he got were not what he expected. Guess people still don't like to RTFM nor STFW > netstat -ltnp (Listening TCP, no resolving, program listening) > netstat -lunp (Listening UDP, no resolving, program listening) > > netstat -ltunp (you get one guess, except Vincent Danen gets 3 ;) Come on! be fair! Vincent needs *at least* 5 chances ;) Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] How to check for open ports?
This time Jim C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> becomes daring and writes: > Simon Prosser wrote: >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> netstat > > Did I mention simple? uhm...nothing is simpler than: netstat -ntpl It'll give you a list of ports that are open in LISTEN or CONNECTED state, and what program is keeping the port open...what simpler do you want? Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] Contribs
This time Todd Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> becomes daring and writes: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > James Sparenberg wrote on Fri, Feb 28, 2003 at 01:30:57PM -0800 : >> >>There is an answer for that one (the tabbed vs icons thing)... >> Multi-Gnome-Terminal... Except for the menu Icons(it doesn't go into the >> K-menu from the install) the generic RPM installs on 8.2 through 9.1 > > It's in contribs and works quite well. The only thing I couldn't do was > figure out how to get the tabs on the bottom, but they work just as well > at the top, so I'm ok with that. > > I had heard someone else mention multi-gnome-terminal, but since I > dislike Gnome, I wouldn't have tried it had you not alerted me to the > tab capabilities. Thanks :) Since you are looking at tabbed terminals, take a look at the latest Eterm...it has that kind of stuff too (tho I don't use it). As for multi-gnome-terminal...lots of the local GUL use it...and curse it often :) They love the tabs part of it...but some things are just painful, from what they say...mostly redraw problems, from what I remember, so...check it throughly :) Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] running applications remotely
This time Vincent Danen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> becomes daring and writes: > On Fri Feb 14, 2003 at 06:24:37AM -0800, James Sparenberg wrote: > >> Easiest way I can think of is to use the vnc client for Mac and do it >> that way. > > ssh -X linux_boxen make it even nicer: ssh -x user@linux_boxen appyouwanttorun I have several apps (kde games mostly...don't have kde on my cooker box, but mom uses kde in her 9.0 box) in my menus that way :) Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. msg66023/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Fwd: [expert] Best Mandrake yet!!!
This time Lorne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> becomes daring and writes: > On Tuesday 11 February 2003 12:21 am, James Sparenberg wrote: >> I run Win4Lin 4 here. Just curious.. what can't you get running? I use >> it mostly for the occasional doc that OOo can't open as well as PSP and >> DreamWeaver. >> > Any chance you have Microsoft money working? Codeweaver couldn't make it > work.. If I could get either Microsoft money working or find a simple money > manager for linux I liked, I'd be 98% free of microsoft. At home anyways. :) > Now if I can just land that gig working on unix at work.. Tried GNUCash yet? I liked it when I had use for something like that (I hate to manage money, I stay away from it when I can :) Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. msg65904/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] fyi, new gnome 2.2 is out, lots of cool updates
This time James Sparenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> becomes daring and writes: > On Tue, 2003-02-11 at 12:02, synrat wrote: >> I tried insalling it from cooker, but that only killed my existing gnome >> setup. >> > Didn't you know cooker is only for developers... users should stay out. > (At least according to the flame I got because I commented on a bug > report with conformation information.) and yes I'm a bit peeved at the > moment. sorry. The problem isn't the user as much as the box...cookers hate mixed boxes (stable+some cooker packages)...it makes for a messy life in cookerland. Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. msg65893/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Fwd: [expert] Best Mandrake yet!!!
This time Vincent Danen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> becomes daring and writes: > On Sun Feb 09, 2003 at 05:09:06PM -0600, Vox wrote: > >> > succession without a burp. Very odd. I usually find cooker to be >> > quite stable, but I tend to go this cycle: install release version, >> > wait until after cooker has settled down (gcc/glibc upgrades), track >> > cooker during the beta period, do a fresh install when the release >> > is out. I have to have a semi-stable system, and don't sync with >> > cooker daily... so I tend to take this route. Upgrades are really >> > simple even with a fresh install. >> >> That's more or less how I do it too, without the fresh install. I >> track cooker daily until release...then wait out the first 2 or 3 >> weeks after cooker re-opening and keep going on the daily tracking >> until the glibc/gcc/whatever changes start, then I stop till I don't >> get any "need to uninstall this to continue" and go back to daily >> tracking. So far, my box has been behaving well :) > > More adventurous than I... =) Sounds like a good plan tho... I may decide > to continue tracking cooker over the long term this time around... we'll > see. I usually do the base install for a while to test security updates > live... if I can get this UML stuff to work properly, I may not need to do > that anymore (use UML containers instead of testing "live"). I use my mom's computer for testing stuff that should work on release :) I keep her box on current-release always, and keep mine on cooker...that way she gets a stable system and I have a stable release to test stuff on. The rest of the computers here at home either have cooker or debian of some kind (it depends on who lost the coin flip...loser gets to install the box and chose the distro...installer admins the box...and my roommate is a debian user :) Tho the UML idea sounds good to me...I may have to test that one of these days :) >> > Soon I'll be setting up CVS so I can commit the entire /etc >> > directory to CVS then on an upgrade I can do stuff like "cvs co" or >> > "cvs diff" to find the differences. Should be an interesting >> > project. >> >> I've done that when admining the local LUG box with 3 other people, >> that way we could track down and shoot whoever mungled the box ;) It >> works well, for the most part, once you get used to it. > > I'm thinking of an easy way to do upgrades... and of course, sanity checks. > Ie. think of this prior to an upgrade: > > cd /etc > cvs commit > [reboot_installclean] > cd /etc > cvs diff > [check for anything major] > cvs co > > Somewha abbreviated, but you get the idea. I think it would work awesome... > one would just have to get used to the many CVS/ directories. =) Yup, that should work nicely...and being able to go rollback a commit or two to fix mistakes is a good thing too :) >> >> Uhm...I've heard you can run EverCrack on WineX and play well, with >> >> a few details (some sounds or some crap like that...I don't play >> >> EverCrack :) google is your friend :) >> > >> > If I'm going to sit down and play EQ, i want it to work 100%... =) >> > I've >> >> Bah, you addicts are all the same :P > > Well, I wish I was more of an addict. I don't think I've played in two > weeks... Starting to forget I even have it installed... =) hehehe be thankful you don't have the time to become truly addicted...you may end up like the guy who killed himself because he lost everything he had to be able to pay his evercrack addiction :) >> > tried WineX, and while it's ok, doesn't really play to well on my >> > workstation with it's odd dual-head setup (2MB PCI video card and a >> > 16MB AGP). It's caused strange issues for me in the past. So I've >> >> Youch, I didn't know you could play EverCrack with such small >> vidcards...hell, I thought you couldn't play tuxracer with them :) > > I doubt the 2MB card would do any good... IIRC, it's a 2D card as well. The > AGP card should be ok tho. My workstation is definitely not a gaming > machine... (well, it would make a killer gaming machine if I got larger LCDs > and a proper dual-head AGP card with gobs of memory). I kinda just use this > machine for work... =) I'm not much of a gamer either...my last real heavy addiction was the original Diablo...that thing I used to play 5hr a day on bnet...but I've been lucky enough not to get hooked on n
Re: [expert] Samba hide "." prefixed dirs?
This time Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> becomes daring and writes: > On Monday 10 Feb 2003 3:52 pm, J. Grant wrote: >> Hi, >> >> > If you mean you don't want them seen on the windows box, it's the show >> > hidden files setting in windows explorer. >> >> I did think there was an smb.conf option as well as this explorer option. >> >> I'm sure I saw it before, now when I need it I can't find it! >> > I had the same feeling, but couldn't find it. Trust me - if you go into the > folder properties and unselect 'show hidden file' all will be well. I had to > do that :) How about sticking: hide dot files = yes in your [general] section? That works better :) Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. msg65840/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Fwd: [expert] Best Mandrake yet!!!
This time Vincent Danen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> becomes daring and writes: > succession without a burp. Very odd. I usually find cooker to be > quite stable, but I tend to go this cycle: install release version, > wait until after cooker has settled down (gcc/glibc upgrades), track > cooker during the beta period, do a fresh install when the release > is out. I have to have a semi-stable system, and don't sync with > cooker daily... so I tend to take this route. Upgrades are really > simple even with a fresh install. That's more or less how I do it too, without the fresh install. I track cooker daily until release...then wait out the first 2 or 3 weeks after cooker re-opening and keep going on the daily tracking until the glibc/gcc/whatever changes start, then I stop till I don't get any "need to uninstall this to continue" and go back to daily tracking. So far, my box has been behaving well :) > Soon I'll be setting up CVS so I can commit the entire /etc > directory to CVS then on an upgrade I can do stuff like "cvs co" or > "cvs diff" to find the differences. Should be an interesting > project. I've done that when admining the local LUG box with 3 other people, that way we could track down and shoot whoever mungled the box ;) It works well, for the most part, once you get used to it. >> Uhm...I've heard you can run EverCrack on WineX and play well, with >> a few details (some sounds or some crap like that...I don't play >> EverCrack :) google is your friend :) > > If I'm going to sit down and play EQ, i want it to work 100%... =) > I've Bah, you addicts are all the same :P > tried WineX, and while it's ok, doesn't really play to well on my > workstation with it's odd dual-head setup (2MB PCI video card and a > 16MB AGP). It's caused strange issues for me in the past. So I've Youch, I didn't know you could play EverCrack with such small vidcards...hell, I thought you couldn't play tuxracer with them :) > got one machine that is a f/t cooker machine that dual-boots win2k. > It's helpful for the odd time i need to run win software (not often) > or testing stuff like samba. I haven't had the misfortune of using a winbox in 6+ years :) >> > So there is *one* good thing about Windows, for me. =) >> >> Nah, if you can WineX it, you don't need windows :) >> >> Vox, who loves his WC3 and D2 on winex :) > > I play WC3 and D2 on my mac, so I'm not worried about that... =) I want an a-book! :P > WineX is alright, and it's been cool to play with, but when I play > on my Linux workstation, which isn't often, I usually play the older > Loki games I've got... except SimCity3000 doesn't want to run on > cooker for some reason... haven't explored that one yet tho. Unfortunately, Loki lived and died during my financial crisis, so I never managed to get any of their games :/ I hope somebody comes up with a working business doing linux games soon, tho, so I can get rid of winex :) Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. msg65803/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Fwd: [expert] Best Mandrake yet!!!
This time Vincent Danen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> becomes daring and writes: > On Sat Feb 08, 2003 at 12:10:59AM -0500, Mark Weaver wrote: >> everytime one of the eh-hem...programs leaks so bad it stuffs the entire >> system, or explorer craps out and takes down the entire system. pa-Lease! >> I've been throwing everything thing I can think of and some things I've >> thought of myself that I'm rather proud of and I've only been able to totally >> freeze my Mandrake desktop bad enough that I had to do a hardboot all of two >> times. I've been running Mandrake since 7.0. ( now running Mandrake 9.0 ) >> strongest, most well thought out and best put together OS I"ve ever seen, and >> I've seen a few. > > Agreed. It's pretty solid. I did manage to hang my cooker box once or > twice, but hey, it's cooker. I expect this sort of stuff > occassionally. I locked my cooker box tonight...after 60 days of uptime (power went out, no UPS...lost around 30 or 40 days on that)...finally decided to move stuff to the second 120gig HD I got...for some reason, diskdrake didn't like the hdh disk...it didn't complain about hdg (exactly the same model)...I fdisk/mkfs'ed hdh by hand and it worked...but diskdrake ate my X...which tends to lock kboard and mouse when you run the nvidia drivers...so hard reboot :( But...it's my first lockup since I moved to cooker circa 8.2b1 > Yup. I would be Win-free, except for EverQuest. I hear it's coming out for > the Mac soon, which would be great, except the Mac version won't be able to > interact with the Win version, meaning separate servers. Meaning starting > all over again. =( I'll keep my 5GB Win2k partition specifically to play > it. My Wintendo, as it were. Uhm...I've heard you can run EverCrack on WineX and play well, with a few details (some sounds or some crap like that...I don't play EverCrack :) google is your friend :) > So there is *one* good thing about Windows, for me. =) Nah, if you can WineX it, you don't need windows :) Vox, who loves his WC3 and D2 on winex :) -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. msg65753/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] Mandrake RPM updates
This time civileme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> becomes daring and writes: > On Friday 07 February 2003 10:10 am, Franki wrote: >> I could find no download for CS2.1, so I assume its purchase only??? >> >> I don't mind them paying for it, but I'd like to try it out first... >> > > You have done that, by trying out Mandrake's offerings. The most stable are > chosen and put together with wizards to aim at the W2K market with its ranks > of point-and-click sysadmins. Since W2K is destined for the trash heap in > January, this is a good time to announce and give people a chance to > strategize a switch. Since it seems like comparisons with debian are in vogue lately in the mdk community, here goes another one :) cooker = unstable mandrake linux = testing corporate server = stable With cooker you are in the bleeding edge and hunt the bugs. Changes hourly. With mandrake linux, you get a very usable system for all desktops and small servers, and get to hunt the non-critical bugs left. Changes every 6 months, bugfixes between. With corporate server you get the rock-stable box for a monster critical server, no/extremely few bugs. Change every couple of years, bugfixes between. What do you think about that? :) Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. msg65739/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] Network Card Recommendations
This time "David Rankin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> becomes daring and writes: > At $14, it's hard to say no to another Linksys, but if I could benefit > from getting a better card, that's what I'm here trying to find out. What > are some of your favorites for a small server? I love Intel NICs...every server and every workstation in my house and business run that. I've never had an Intel die in less than 3 years...I have aplenty of dead 3com and linksys cards dumped in a box, together with 2 Intel cards...one that was 5 years old when it died and one that was 3 years old when it died. So...Intel, all the way. Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. msg64822/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] There will be a good MandrakeFuture?¡
This time Damian Gatabria <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> becomes daring and writes: >> Actually, just plain math will do...at least here in Mexico we get >> to learn that != moans "is different from" when in 9th or 10th >> grade. >> >> Vox > > Well, make it "just plain mexican math will do" then :o) > > Over here, we are taught that "is different from" is symbolized > with a striked-out " = " sign. You never took math in a computer then :) And you are actually right...we learned that the striked-out = is the symbol for that (I just asked a friend with better memory than me...it's been almost 20 years since 10th grade for me :)...he says I must have picked up the != from computer class we took that same year :) Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. msg64422/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
