date:20050314



[[1. All what is that?  2. All this is what?

and Nelson wrote [[And whose on third? [snip] relativly irrelevant 
to me.]]
**  its all tit for tat!

om ta-da!..
rudrani







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[FairfieldLife] Re: soma .. was: New Vedic Translation?



Mark wrote [[Sure, that sounds reasonable enough, but no less of a 
reason to seek out its identity.]]
**  oh .. that is not my intent.  i have loads of info on soma .. 
fascinating subject.  my conclusion, through the years, is that it 
is - as i wrote in my origional comments - both an objecive  
subjective experience combined.

om peace!..
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[FairfieldLife] Amma, Krishna and Jesus Christ

2005-03-14 Thread rgjcm



This is an excerpt of an interview Amma gave to the number one 
weekly magazine in India, The Week, in September 2003.

Interview/Mata Amritanandamayi/My karma is to console 
By C. Sujit Chandra Kumar 

Your biography says you converted water to panchamritham (sweet 
dish).

I don't think of it as a miracle. For me, peace of mind is the 
greatest miracle. What happened that day was, there was this 
Bhagavatha reading in a neighbour's house. While listening, I danced 
in ecstasy. Some people came and demanded that I show them a 
miracle. When they insisted, I asked them for a pot of water. That 
was distributed to everyone and they ate the panchamritham. Another 
time, someone took away the lamp. Those days, there was no 
electricity. Some devotees poured water in sea shells. I asked them 
to light it. It happened while the devotees were watching. They only 
did it. I haven't done anything myself.

People say you have cured diseases. Why then did you build a 
hospital?

Even if you remove the poison from body, if mind doesn't change, 
there is no use. Jesus Christ is said to have healed people. Why are 
his followers building hospitals? How did Krishna become Dhanwantara-
murthy? Prayer and medicine are necessary. Tomorrow, I can also get 
unwell.

Some local people still have doubts.

How can we remove the doubts of everyone? When Krishna, Nabi and 
Rama came to this world, people had doubts. Is there anyone who has 
total acceptance? Do children fully accept their parents? Does one 
have full control of one's own mind? No. There will be two sides and 
that is the way it should be. Some have preconceived ideas. It is 
difficult to wake up those who are pretending to be asleep.

 








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Regarding the Amma posts

2005-03-14 Thread markmeredith2002



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
 
 
 Some nutjob trying to get back at the movement for some reason. More 
 conspiracy theory lunacy . 

Well which is it? - either you believe it's some nutjob who did it or
you don't believe it happened.  That it happened is well documented
and that the people it happened to are successful, well respected
parents with a great family, and not nutjob crack whores are whatever
you called them, is well known as well.
 
  By the way, the threatening messages all contained language 
 similar to that which you and 
  others have used in designating Fairfield as Maharishi's turf.
  
  L B S
 
 
 You are an absolute nut to accuse me of such a thing. 
 
 Fairfield would be a deadzone of peeling paint and tumbleweed, if 
 all the TM'rs in Jefferson county suddenly left  (meaning: 'if it 
 were not for Maharishi')and you know it , just can't 
 deal with that fact can you?
 
 You are now on my ignore  list for accusing me of such a thing. Such 
 sleeze.

Silly, LB wasn't accusing you of writing death threats, he was trying
to point out what tends to ultimately result from fundamentalist
thinking - violent protection of the one true faith.

The influx of meditators into fairfield has had very positive economic
impact and I guess the fairfield economy is lucky that parsons was
located here and not in ottumwa, but the majority of us are not here
because MMY tells us to be here, we're here because it's our home and
our lives and friends are here.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY on vegetarianism - 1957

2005-03-14 Thread Patrick Gillam



Paul Mason wrote:
 
 My own Self as Representatives of East and West!

 Extracted from Maharishi's address to the 15th session of the World 
 Vegetarian Congress held at Madras on 30 November 1957 
 
 Allegedly 'taken from a Canadian Publication from the early 1960s'
 
 ?Does anyone know what was the name of it?

Unfortunately, I cannot tell you the name of the 
publication. I'm posting instead to do the typical 
thing that happens in these discussions: go off 
the subject.

I assume you're the Paul Mason who wrote _The Maharishi: 
The Biography of the Man Who Gave Transcendental 
Meditation to the World_. If so, what are you working 
on these days?

 - Patrick Gillam





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[FairfieldLife] Soma and Ecstasy in the Rgveda from EJVS


Too long to post here.

http://users.primushost.com/~india/ejvs/ejvs0901/ejvs0901e.txt



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[FairfieldLife] Re: soma .. was: New Vedic Translation?



Peter S. wrote [[The only soma I've experienced has been internal. 
It's the source of the bodily bliss from spiritual practices.]]
**  i agree, however, i am also inclined to think, based on the 
literature available, there is more to it than that.

i just sent a post off listing all the goodies i have found on the 
subject (in brief), part of that list was: Yoga + Ananda = Soma, 
which implies (as i wrote previously) a combination of inner  outer 
elements.

om peace!..
rudrani





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Practices that will die out or survive



Rudra Joe wrote [[sounds like you're teaching like most other sadhus 
for money and residence.]]
**  well, what sounds like is not like.  

i dont ask for anything, mostly i give.  the 'societal construct' i 
mentioned was already explained in another post.

om peace!..
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Is Ved Superior or More Fundamental Knowledge?






The only problem with Vedism is that it is a 
priestly religion for the elite, and so the average person can't relate to it. 
It's merely worship without whatever awareness evolution might come from that 
great word gnosis. The great thing about yoga which surely preceeded Vedism is 
that it showed us the soma within rather than the soma without, while the 
priests were still crushing it with stones, the yogi was making it with gall. 
Whether something remains for a long time or dies off is merely and nothing 
else, karma. Did it uplift the small and weak, and did it support self 
exploration? for each new generation? And did it prevent the strong from 
overreaching like Ravanas or Raams? Did the religion pacify the sphere, or did 
it create more war and chaos. My guess is that those which promote the 
greatest peace will have the greatest longevity, even though peace should be a 
rare concept. No religion on earth rivals  for promoting peace. I 
won't even say it. Substitute your favorite, and see if it's true. 

On the other hand is the holy stupa of the 
Vajrayana filled with relics and texts, all over the globe. Usually built to 
last against change in a final irony, that memorials every where are built to 
Shakyamuni and filled with relics the idea being to spread the Buddha's 
teachings forward to the future Buddha's time. Hence the Matreya project 
of Lama Zopa in India. If people aren't aware they tour bone relics from very 
famous Buddhist personages. If you don't think you're a Buddhist then you must 
see them, and then realize that you've already prolly seen them tour the world 
before, and known some of these people firsthand in past lives I mean the sense 
of dejavu is great.

As an aside, if you didn't know, stupas originally 
were offerings made at the place of someone great's death. Later people made 
stone cairns, and finally the process became ritualized for certain sages. 
Finally stupa building is natural as many times walking in nature I have seen 
small stone towers built as if merely to celebrate the beauty and present peace 
of the participants. These spontaneous dedications to the now seem to be the 
greatest and most open stupas, built as they were merely on impulse. It must 
have been the very nature of the moment to have been worshipped as greatness. My 
guess is the ritam or rigpa level was near the surface enough here to break 
through.

Hinduism and Yoga weren't as accessable even a 
hundred years ago for the inner explorer. Buddhism taught meditation 
throughout most of the dark ages, so I wouldn't be surprised if many of you 
already been there done that. At any rate. The religion will be preserved 
which makes the most sense, and which offers the greatest umbrella. You 
can decide yourself. If it works for you then the chances are that it can 
work for someone else. 

But will any religion outlast the psilocyben, the 
mescaline, the dmt, the Chronic Mz. Mary Jane. Nah Mon, prolly not! 


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  Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Is Ved 
  "Superior" or "More Fundamental" Knowledge?
  On Mar 12, 2005, at 1:30 PM, akasha_108 
  wrote: If Ved are the fundamental impulses of the universe -- then 
  perhaps there is a stronger case for preeminance.Not if it is 
  a "long" lineage in the absence of a "short" line. Long (very old) lines 
  are hard to actualize and bring to fruition. The best is to unify a short 
  lineage of transmission with an old one. But if a lineage, like the Vedic 
  one, is not refreshed, they die and become impractical.A tradition 
  without new Gnosis/Jnana is a dead tradition.Dead traditions almost 
  always tend towards fundamentalism of some sort.In the case of 
  Neo-Vedism, Neo-Vedanta, Neo-Advaita and Neo-Hatha you don't usually have 
  a new revelation, just a rehash--often with a commercial twist. And that 
  just makes the death of a particular line slower, although you can still 
  squeeze some evolution out of it. An exceptional person with the right 
  purva-punya might just still awaken. But make no mistake, these are 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is Ved Superior or More Fundamental Knowledge?






You just don't like anyone do ya?What about neo 
Zhang Zhung Nyan Gyud??Anyway he was talking about a more powerful 
reality than a tradition. The power of that which underlies matter. Matter 
is a thin crust of reality on a vast ocean of 
intelligence.My wife takes the crust off. I like it. It 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Buddha






--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
"rudra_joe" [EMAIL PROTECTED]... 
wrote: To think that one is only what they are born into is 
fatalistic and inhuman. To think that Jesus the Jew shaped his 
philosophy and love for all of humankind merely on the tenets of his fathers 
was like saying Einstein merely followed up on Newton. 
Thats not what I said. I said Buddha was born and bred in a 
Vedic culture and rejected some Vedic practices, and carried some others 
on and changed some around.

Honestly, you don't write as if you know much 
about Buddha or Buddhism. Sorry, my two piase. Do you know what the three 
turnings of the wheel of dharma are? If not then please don't speak about the 
Buddha again as your words are more useless on this topic than cigarette smoke. 


Besides , Jesus was echoing things laready in his tradition. Its 
just that he was talking to a bunch of real live people with all the 
usual faults etc. (Kinda like a liberal living ina red state

Same again, what even about the figment Jesus 
are you speaking about. Have you studied your gnosis and apocrypha? I'd 
guess not or you would know that Jesus for instance believed that the God of 
this realm was afeminine who he most likely called Sophia. If that's 
a shocker then you need to read on and get true to your source material, not 
true to your ignorance. Try getting outside yourself and expand your 
reading.My guess is that you already know Hinduism like your 
cock.

skin flips. Been there, done that. As a witch I felt closer 
to Jesus than most of his professed priests, and when I burned I thought of 
him on the cross with pity, for they knew not what they did those 
ignorant fucks. Who kill what they don't understand. 
What are you on man?


-Uh, recently gave up poppy tea. gave up in the 
past lsd, coke, crack, opiates, and will continue to do shroomies, cacti, herb, 
and other naturals. What am I not on Man? But guess what? We're at 
the same dining table. The crumbs of which as Gibran said, are this feast of 
words. Don't like it don't eat it. Have you ever meditated stoned? Try it, you 
might be surprised that it's not only still possible but utterly fucking 
phenomenal. 

At other times I meditated jonesing from crack 
after spending two hundred bucks smoking rocks with niggers in the ghetto. 
Sweatin and shakin. There's no separation for me between religion and my 
very own guts. That makes me sound crazy at times. Imagine rigpa in opiate 
withdrawls. If the state of awareness is not there always then it's not 
there at all. A merely good time friend. Other people can learn from 
madmen, so you can too. 
  This is where tantra teaches one to hold 
to the dark and the light, hold to enlightenment, and yet remain to serve 
and grow, because tantra teaches us that the dark is merely a component of 
our basic nature, like the NI in the agnim, very necessary for self 
reflection, nay the anima and unconscious is the source of potential for 
growth. I've been into this lateley, this darkness theme, because I learned 
that we October Libras are quite familiar with the occult and we like 
twisted 13s and walking under ladders and having Crowley's birthday and 
pigeons flying left and black cats and all that jazz. But on the bright side 
we can reconcile that with the sattva of our awareness during samadhi. In 
fact to see the rainbows over Bourbon Street and the light of spirits 
being poured and raised, yeah, in this deep tamas of the American South deep 
in the voodoo one sees the heart of God pulsating. I swear before you all 
that if the Apocalypse comes then they'll throw down in New Orleans like 
nowhere else on Earth. Oh yeah, the marching bands will play and it would 
get rowdy in a good way. I'm trying best as I can to relay that there's no 
tradition for deep thought or cognizance because it is one with the 
base. True.

---What is?utilizes desire to 
make us transcend duality. He would send his girlfriend to get them if he 
forgot them. Great. It could be that the 
things around us in space all have a correlation in the brain. In fact the 
brain creates them. And the right things at the right time can cause subtle 
neuronal and cellular evololution.
 I don't think that the brain creates the phenomena. The brain is a 
perceptive organ which is one with the phenomena. That's different. 
As above so below relates to the whole body and not just the brain so you know, 
the brain thing is sort of forgetting the cosmic that exists in the skin. Not 
familiar, get yourself some chocolate Girl. Once you go Black, oh you know the 
rest. Skin is very cosmic. 14 billion years of evolution in a soft 
surface primpted and perfected just for you. Now that's intergalactic, or it's 
_expression_ will someday be. 

---I'm sorry Off_World if I sound like an 
asshole. Even myself I'll change my mind about everything I just said 
prolly, so I offer it to you. I hate words if they can't capture truth. 
Truth is hard to

[FairfieldLife] Is it okay to joke about sutras?

2005-03-14 Thread Paul Mason



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: soma .. was: New Vedic Translation?


I agree with you that it is more than just produced in
our bodies by we lame-ass yogis/yoginis. That's only
one aspect of it. I've also experienced soma
flowing/spraying into the environment through the
senses. Almost like the sense was working in reverse.
-Peter

--- rudrani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 Peter S. wrote [[The only soma I've experienced has
 been internal. 
 It's the source of the bodily bliss from spiritual
 practices.]]
 **  i agree, however, i am also inclined to think,
 based on the 
 literature available, there is more to it than that.
 
 i just sent a post off listing all the goodies i
 have found on the 
 subject (in brief), part of that list was: Yoga +
 Ananda = Soma, 
 which implies (as i wrote previously) a combination
 of inner  outer 
 elements.
 
 om peace!..
 rudrani
 
 
 
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Is it okay to joke about sutras?

2005-03-14 Thread peterklutz



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RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: soma .. was: New Vedic Translation?

2005-03-14 Thread mark robert



















From: rudrani
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Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: soma
.. was: New Vedic Translation?








Mark wrote [[Sure, that sounds reasonable enough,
but no less of a 
reason to seek out its identity.]]
** oh .. that is not my intent. i have
loads of info on soma .. 
fascinating subject. my conclusion, through
the years, is that it 
is - as i wrote in my origional comments - both an
objecive  
subjective experience combined.

om peace!..
rudrani








Rudrani,



So have you come to a confident conclusion
about the identity of the objective Soma? If so, what is it? If not, is your
search continuing? If not, why not?



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[FairfieldLife] Re: Look I'm fucking Busy --

2005-03-14 Thread kalliope108



---  Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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[FairfieldLife] soma .. was: New Vedic Translation?



i may get whose-who confused here but the intents the same.

Peter S. wrote [[I've also experienced soma flowing/spraying into 
the environment through the senses. Almost like the sense was 
working in reverse.]]

i think this was Mark [[Instead of consciousness flowing out, as 
it were, to the objects of the senses, it was soma flowing out?
Soma as reified consciousness?]]

Patrick wrote [[I had to wonder if there's an active component to 
the senses, as opposed to the passive way we typically think of 
senses working.  Any insights on sense perception from those who've
read somethign or have had an experience?]]

back to Peter S. [[I 've always understood and experienced, to some
degree, soma as the movement of consciousness or as you put it, 
reified consciousness. It seems to be the most refined or subtle 
aspect of the senses in experiencing objects. It produces 
overwhelming bliss when the I sense created through identification
begins to shift towards subtler/sattvic bondage.]]
**  when i read all of the above, in essense i 'read': nadi(s).

i see them rather like a sea anemone, that lovely flower of the sea, 
the sea urchin with its remarkably fluid tentacles swaying to 
rhythms unseen.  these are our nadis, conduits of the subtle inner 
body that move inward  outward leaning to  fro reaching  
contracting to rhythms unseen.

we all feel this in varying degrees, like when you feel attracted or 
repulsed upon meeting someone or in a certain location.  some people 
can see its colorful auric lights whose colors are never static but 
varied  fluid ever reaching outwards, channeling inwards, 
connecting always to our surroundings, connecting to our chakras, 
connecting .. linking .. exchanging.

when Peter wrote [flowy/spraying] i knew exactly what he meant / 
experienced in that i know  have experienced the same (or at least, 
this is my understanding of what he is conveying).

the nadis are [rarified consciousness] as Mark asked (i think it was 
Mark),  they are part of the senses  the organs of senses  other 
things as well so can be measured (as Patrick asked about).

the are the rivers  currents that ever flow to the greater sea.

om peace!..
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Gurus-Egos (was Re: Another Amma post (to a different group) by my friend)

Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Gurus-Egos (was Re: Another Amma post (to a different group) by my friend)





Lupidus states as proven fact, far-fetched claims for which he has no concrete evidence. Sure sign of a fundamentalist who finds pseudo-security in an imaginary world.


on 3/14/05 10:10 AM, Peter Sutphen at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

You didn't answer my question. What is your direct
personal experience with Punditji to come to such a
conclusion?
-Peter

--- lupidus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 
 I've seen enough.
 
 
 And; Guru Dev is not yet in incarnation though He
 will be, hopefully 
 soon, as one of the most outstanding, spotless and
 evolved member of 
 the Hierarchy of the Masters of Wisdom, in evolution
 very close 
 indeed to the Master of Masters, Maitreya; the
 Christ, Buddha, Iman 
 Madhi, Krishna.
 
 The Masters, our oldest Brothers who will be the
 custodians of wisdom 
 in this coming Age of Enlightenment, will, in time,
 be about 40 in 
 all. Including Maitreya who is with us now today,
 having created a 
 mahavirupta body (selfcreated)in His abode in the
 Himalayas, and who 
 came to London in 1977 where He still is.
 
 for more information, please see:
 http://www.shareintl.org
 
 I will fill the world with love and create Heaven
 on Earth - 
 Maharishi
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Lupidus, how much direct experience do you have
 with
  Punditji?
  -Peter
  
  --- lupidus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
   
   I think Pundiji is MMY's Guru Dev coming back
to check-up on him!
-Peter
   
   
   Oh, please. Ravi Shankar is a smug little
 sama-veda
   pundit who adores 
   to be adored and just loves all the attention he
   gets, and wants to 
   copy (down to dressing, hair, typeface and
 design)
   the success of 
   Maharishi who employed him in the first place.
 Seing
   him loving to be 
   adorned as a 'guru' one wonders if it possibly
 could
   be true that he 
   has only done 7 incarnations before this one.
 Most
   of the 
   contributers on this forum has thousands and are
   probably far more 
   advanced souls.
   
   
   
   
   
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Buddhist 'Nirvana' Vs. Hindu 'Moksha'

2005-03-14 Thread Nelson



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rudrani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 [[1. All what is that?  2. All this is what?
 
 and Nelson wrote [[And whose on third? [snip] relativly irrelevant 
 to me.]]
 **  its all tit for tat!
 
 om ta-da!..
 rudrani
+  This theory was disproved many years back by Tom, Tad, and Tat-
   (triplets).  N.





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[FairfieldLife] Sense perception (was Re: soma New Vedic

2005-03-14 Thread tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis



Peter Sutphen writes:
Interesting. The subject-object dynamics of the senses
don't seem to remain the same as you move from gross
to subtle. Do the senses project the objects of
their experience? You can transcend with your eyes
open thinking about this stuff!
-Peter

Tom T:
The interesting initial experience of the wholeness of all creation is
just that. Initial knowingness that there is just wholeness that is
comprised totally of subject.  On the other hand it is also easily
known as subject. No problem sorting it all out. First all is known as
subject and then is seen as subject appearing as object. Why? We live
in and interact in a relative dualistic world.  We need to function
and not sit on the park bench like Eckhart Tolle did for three years
until he got it sorted out. We were given the tools in our Sidhi
practice.  The objective was not to really learn how to fly but to be
able to fully function once we woke up.  Cool! Another master stroke
by a true Master.  If you knew the real reason would you have done it?
Probably not, but the ego just loves the idea that I will fly. 
Tom






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Look I'm fucking Busy

2005-03-14 Thread Alex Stanley



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Thanks¹ RJ. I was off skiing yesterday,

Where did you go? Fun Valley? http://www.skifunvalley.com/

Alex
 





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Regarding the Amma posts

2005-03-14 Thread off_world_beings



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
  
  
  Some nutjob trying to get back at the movement for some reason. 
More 
  conspiracy theory lunacy . 
 
 Well which is it? - either you believe it's some nutjob who did it 
or
 you don't believe it happened.  That it happened is well documented
 and that the people it happened to are successful, well respected
 parents with a great family, and not nutjob crack whores are 
whatever
 you called them, is well known as well.




The person who broke into their house you idiot and made the threats.
Was either a lone nutjob, who is just nuts, or someone trying to 
hurt the movement...a nutjob. 
You can't jusdge the whole TMO for that. Thats just stupid.



  
   By the way, the threatening messages all contained language 
  similar to that which you and 
   others have used in designating Fairfield as Maharishi's turf.
   
   L B S
  
  
  You are an absolute nut to accuse me of such a thing. 
  
  Fairfield would be a deadzone of peeling paint and tumbleweed, 
if 
  all the TM'rs in Jefferson county suddenly left  (meaning: 'if 
it 
  were not for Maharishi')and you know it , just can't 
  deal with that fact can you?
  
  You are now on my ignore  list for accusing me of such a thing. 
Such 
  sleeze.
 
 Silly, LB wasn't accusing you of writing death threats, he was 
trying
 to point out what tends to ultimately result from fundamentalist
 thinking - violent protection of the one true faith.
 


Bullsh!t. It was an accusation. 
It is ignorant fundamentalism to call me a fundamentalist just 
becsue I don't HATE the TMO.

LB is the most FUNDAMENTALIST around here but you are too dumb to 
see it. 



 The influx of meditators into fairfield has had very positive 
economic
 impact and I guess the fairfield economy is lucky that parsons was
 located here and not in ottumwa, but the majority of us are not 
here
 because MMY tells us to be here, we're here because it's our home 
and
 our lives and friends are here.


Yea right. If the TMO leaves you will all eventually leave. You are 
dreaming about the sustainablity of Fairfield as an attractive palce 
to live (unless you are a born and bred Midwesterner)





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Buddha

2005-03-14 Thread off_world_beings



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rudra_joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rudra_joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  To think that one is only what they are born into is fatalistic 
 and inhuman. To think that Jesus the Jew shaped  his philosophy 
and 
 love for all of humankind merely on the tenets of his fathers was 
 like saying Einstein merely followed up on Newton. 
 
 Thats not what I said. I said Buddha was born and bred in a Vedic 
 culture and rejected some Vedic practices, and carried some others 
 on and changed some around.
 
 
 Honestly, you don't write as if you know much about Buddha or 
Buddhism. Sorry, my two piase. Do you know what the three turnings 
of the wheel of dharma are? If not then please don't speak about the 
Buddha again as your words are more useless on this topic than 
cigarette smoke. 
 
 


Fvck off retard


 Besides , Jesus was echoing things laready in his tradition. Its 
 just that he was talking to a bunch of real live people with all 
the 
 usual faults etc. (Kinda like a liberal living ina red state
 
 Same again, what even about the figment Jesus are you speaking 
about. Have you studied your gnosis and apocrypha?  I'd guess not or 
you would know that Jesus for instance believed that the God of this 
realm was a feminine who he most likely called Sophia.  If that's a 
shocker then you need to read on and get true to your source 
material, not true to your ignorance.  Try getting outside yourself 
and expand your reading. My guess is that you already know Hinduism 
like your cock.
 
 


Fvck off retard



 
 
 skin flips. Been there, done that. As a witch I felt closer to 
Jesus 
 than most of his professed priests, and when I burned I thought of 
 him on the cross with pity, for they knew not what they did those 
 ignorant fucks. Who kill what they don't understand. 
 
 
 
 What are you on man?
 
 
 -Uh, recently gave up poppy tea. gave up in the past lsd, 
coke, crack, opiates, and will continue to do shroomies, cacti, 
herb, and other naturals.  What am I not on Man?  But guess what? 
We're at the same dining table. The crumbs of which as Gibran said, 
are this feast of words. Don't like it don't eat it. Have you ever 
meditated stoned? Try it, you might be surprised that it's not only 
still possible but utterly fucking phenomenal.  
 
 At other times I meditated jonesing from crack after spending two 
hundred bucks smoking rocks with niggers in the ghetto. Sweatin and 
shakin.  There's no separation for me between religion and my very 
own guts. That makes me sound crazy at times. Imagine rigpa in 
opiate withdrawls.  If the state of awareness is not there always 
then it's not there at all.  A merely good time friend. Other people 
can learn from madmen, so you can too. 
 
 
 


Fvck off retard.









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[FairfieldLife] Re: New Vedic Translation? Euphedra

2005-03-14 Thread Alex Stanley



Re: ephedra with cannabis

I guess you could call that a Vedic speedball.

The only upper/downer combo I'm familiar with is caffeine and
alcohol, and I must admit getting wired on black coffee before
getting hammered drunk is quite a thrill ride.

Alex, sober 9+ years





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[FairfieldLife] Sense perception (was Re: soma New Vedic Translation)



  Peter Sutphen wrote:

I agree with you that it is more than just produced in
our bodies by we lame-ass yogis/yoginis. That's only
one aspect of it. I've also experienced soma
flowing/spraying into the environment through the
senses. Almost like the sense was working in reverse.
-Peter

I've also experienced soma
flowing/spraying into the environment through the
senses. Almost like the sense was working in
reverse.
 
Instead of consciousness flowing out, as it were,
to the objects of the senses, it was soma flowing out? 
Soma as reified consciousness?
 
I 've always understood and experienced, to some
degree, soma as the movement of consciousness or as
you put it, reified consciousness. It seems to be the
most refined or subtle aspect of the senses in
experiencing objects. It produces overwhelming bliss
when the I sense created through identification
begins to shift towards subtler/sattvic bondage.
-Peter 


Not challenging, but why do you equate these things with soma?
Self-apparent? 
Ritam type knowledge? 
Seems like expereinces in 9th Mandala? 
Lectures where it was described this way? 
Personal working hypothesis?
It just f*cking is?
Or a smug, what, you don't know? :)










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[FairfieldLife] Re: soma-maNDala in Vedic (Sanskrit), part 1

2005-03-14 Thread cardemaister



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 
 (Most diacritics removed for easier reading)
 
 
 (713)
   svaadiShThayaa madiShThayaa pavasva soma dhaarayaa  |

svaadiShThayaa: svaadu (sweet); svaadhiShTha : superlative
(sweetest); svaadiSTha-yaa: instrumental singular feminine:
'in sweetest'

madiShTha-yaa: 'in most gladdening'
dhaarayaa: instrumental singular feminine of dhaaraa (stream),
'in stream'
pavasva: 'flow pure!'(?)


   indraaya paatave sutaH  || {9}{001}{01} 

indra-aya: dative singular of indra, for indra
paatave: 'for (his) drink'
sutaH: 'pressed'

1. In sweetest and most gladdening stream
flow pure, O Soma, on thy way,
Pressed out for Indra, for his drink.

Don't know where on thy way comes from.






































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[FairfieldLife] Gandhi quote


When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth
and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a
time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall - think of it,
ALWAYS.

Mahatma Gandhi





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RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Vedic Translation? Euphedra

2005-03-14 Thread mark robert



















From: akasha_108
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 2:41
PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: New
Vedic Translation? Euphedra






---
In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
mark robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

_ 

 
 One of
the articles in the Journal of Vedic studies attempted to
 prove,
thru this detailed 
 textual
analysis, that soma was in fact the ephedra plant. The
 real
reason that the Vedic 
 rishis
were so awake was because they were quaffing down ephedra!
 The
image was just 

hilarious of these dreadlocked rishis, speeding there brains out
 like
undergrads cramming 
 for
midterms. 
 
 -V.
 
 


 
 Ahhh,
the real definition of awakening.
 
-


There is
more than textual pointers that Euphedra (and cannabis) were
used in
ancient rites -- that involved lots of mixing, grinding and
straining
(echos of 9th mandala -- and many other things) . While this
does not
prove any link to soma, it is interesting. 

--



Akasha,



I cant tell if you are saying that
these substances might play a roll in the explanation of the mixing and
straining as described in the 9th mandala or not. If so, you are definitely
suggesting links to Soma. I mean, the Rig Veda is/was the origin of the word.
No other definition of Soma that came later could possibly be more accurate.



-mark









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[FairfieldLife] Soma and the Big Bhang Theory



 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  There is also a longstanding tradition that cannabis sativa is the
 soma plant. No firm 
  opinion here.


While evidence may be scant, there are some interesting parallels. It
is prescribed that bhang be made with milk, and the result is
definately very green tinted -- if I remember much from high school.
And needs to be well strained. All reminicent of 9th mandala, though
many other such concoctions could also fill this description.

Far from the images of Cheech and Chong, Bhang is given the status of
highest yagyas, is equated with shiva [bhang is Shiva] and is said
to transform the drinker  into Shiva. And it is associated with amrita
-- canabis is said to sprouted when amrita fell from the heavens. 

Going beyond prejudgement and stone hippie jokes,, perhaps its all in
the preparation.

Some tidbits:

The mere sight of bhang, cleanses from as much sin as a thousand
horse-sacrifices or a thousand
pilgrimages. 

In the ecstasy of bhang the spark of the Eternal in man turns into
light the murkiness of matter or illusionand self is lost in the
central soul-fire. 

No gem or jewel can touch in value bhang taken truly and reverently.
He who drinks bhang drinks Shiva. 

He who drinks [bhang] wisely and according to rule,.. is Shiva. 

The soul in whom the spirit of bhang
finds a home glides into the ocean of Being freed from the weary round
of matter-blinded self.

The Tibetans considered Cannabis sacred. A Mahayana
Buddhist tradition maintains that during the six steps of asceticism
leading to his enlightenment, Buddha lived on one Hemp seed a day. He
is often depicted with SOMA leaves in his begging bowl and the
mysterious god-narcotic SOMA has occasionally been identified with
Hemp. 

Cannabis was also suggested, also based on Tibetan evidence. The
Tibetan word for Cannabis is So.Ma.Ra.Dza., apparently a borrowing
from the Sanskrit soma-raja king Soma.


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[FairfieldLife] Gurus-Egos (was Re: Another Amma post (to a different group) by my friend)

2005-03-14 Thread lupidus108



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lupidus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 
 - 
   You didn't answer my question. What is your direct
   personal experience with Punditji to come to such a
   conclusion?
   -Peter
 
 If I had seen Mr. Shankar regularily for years, would that make you 
 satisfied ? Why should I give you any details whatsoever of my 
 experiences with Ravi Shankar ? 

Or with real saints like Maharishi, Muktananda, Amma or Shri Chimnoy 
for that matter...


 I do take it for granted though, that your comment of Mr. Shankar 
 being Guru Dev was a joke.
 
  
   --- lupidus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



I've seen enough.
 

And; Guru Dev is not yet in incarnation though He
will be, hopefully
soon, as one of the most outstanding, spotless and
evolved member of
the Hierarchy of the Masters of Wisdom, in evolution
very close 
indeed to the Master of Masters, Maitreya; the
Christ, Buddha, Iman
Madhi, Krishna.
 
The Masters, our oldest Brothers who will be the
custodians of wisdom
in this coming Age of Enlightenment, will, in time,
be about 40 in
all. Including Maitreya who is with us now today,
having created a
mahavirupta body (selfcreated)in His abode in the
Himalayas, and who
came to London in 1977 where He still is.

for more information, please see:
http://www.shareintl.org

I will fill the world with love and create Heaven
on Earth  - 
Maharishi


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Lupidus, how much direct experience do you have
with
 Punditji?
 -Peter
 
 --- lupidus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  
  I think Pundiji is MMY's Guru Dev coming back
   to check-up on him!
   -Peter
 
  
  Oh, please. Ravi Shankar is a smug little
sama-veda
  pundit who adores
  to be adored and just loves all the attention he
  gets, and wants to
  copy (down to dressing, hair, typeface and
design)
  the success of
  Maharishi who employed him in the first place.
Seing
  him loving to be
  adorned as a 'guru' one wonders if it possibly
could
  be true that he
  has only done 7 incarnations before this one.
Most
  of the 
  contributers on this forum has thousands and are
  probably far more
  advanced souls.
 





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Gurus-Egos (was Re: Another Amma post (to a different group) by my friend)


on 3/14/05 3:52 PM, lupidus108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lupidus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
 If I had seen Mr. Shankar regularily for years, would that make you
 satisfied ? Why should I give you any details whatsoever of my
 experiences with Ravi Shankar ?
 
 Or with real saints like Maharishi, Muktananda, Amma or Shri Chimnoy
 for that matter...
 
What makes these people real saints as opposed to Mr. Shankar?





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Atman vs Anatman






voga citta vritti nirodaha. yoga is cessation of 
the tendencies of the mind. nirvana. cessation. you figure it out. 

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  On Mar 13, 2005, at 10:39 AM, off_world_beings 
  wrote: In 3 or 4 sentances, whats the difference? 
  Anyone? (I contend there is no difference)Atman 
  maintains a subtle obscuration to the state of pure knowledge. Therefore 
  it is a cause for samsara.It also helps maintain a false View of 
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[FairfieldLife] Gurus-Egos (was Re: Another Amma post (to a different group) by my friend)



lupidus wrote [[Or with real saints like Maharishi, Muktananda, Amma 
or Shri Chimnoy for that matter .. ]]
**  and Ma Yoga Shakti.

om Mataji!..
rudrani






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Atman vs Anatman



On Mar 14, 2005, at 5:02 PM, rudra_joe wrote:

 voga citta vritti nirodaha. yoga is cessation of the tendencies of the 
 mind. nirvana. cessation. you figure it out.

Naw, mere cessation won't cut it. Sure way to get rebirth in a formless 
realm.



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Buddhist 'Nirvana' Vs. Hindu 'Moksha'






Actually the difference is practical only for the 
mind at first when one is on the path. Because at that point one can immerse the 
mind in samadhi and yet when returning to the daily life nothing has changed and 
one keeps making the same mistakes and still one can't seem to get it just 
right. So what is needed are skillful means to become not just a 
transcending personality but a transcendental personality. Buddhism in working 
with the negative of a person starts way ahead in terms of philosophy for being 
transcendental because one doesn't much care what oneself thinks in the first 
place because its understood to be delusional and self serving. Not taking 
oneself very seriously at all really helps one open their eyes while in activity 
without all sorts of personality issues. Of course, that I'm even saying this is 
wrong and I am delusional because I prolly have the biggest ego here of the lot. 
I was bordering on personality issues at work with the other chef. We're both 
tired. Ah, too much thinking. Thought is unimportant as it's just more maya. 
Think I'll take a real look around. This is Buddhism. What is right here 
right now? This is Buddhism. Hinduism, ahh yes, God is great and the yugas are 
changing follow your varna, wait till you're old to go be sannyas in the 
aranyaka. But if you go all the way then is liberation. Mostly for the 
renunciate like Buddhism, but in both are also the agamas and 
nigamas.Tantra is the path for someone who would be liberated so that they 
can chop and carry. Thereare four dharmas in Hinduism of which moksha is 
one, in Buddhism there is The Dharma of liberation only.

However, tantra is like drinking poison, once 
started the mind and personality dissolve and someone if they really were 
materialists can feel like hell. It takes the having sex on a corpse in a 
graveyard mentality for Bhairava and Chandi practice, same for Chod and 
Trekchod. Don't have that mentality then don't do tantra. 

Are the goals the same? Well, prolly not since if 
you go right and I go left chances are we won't meet. 

  - Original Message - 
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  Sutphen 
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 10:44 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Buddhist 
  'Nirvana' Vs. Hindu 'Moksha'
  The different concepts "point" towards the same 
  thing.Neither concept can be properly understood in wakingstate 
  because the mind will create a distinctionbetween the two because this is 
  what the mind does.Arguments will ensue. In the ruckus Buddha will 
  sitwith a smile and Adi Shankara will wink at him.-Peter--- 
  off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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  difference in the concepts? Anyone?
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[FairfieldLife] Gurus-Egos (was Re: Another Amma post (to a different group) by my friend)



Rick asked [[What makes these people real saints as opposed 
to Mr. Shankar?]]
**  aside from being recognized as having spiritual traits, such as, 
but not limited to: all embracing compassion, love  wisdom, there 
is an organization, like the Vatican for example, that acknowledges 
 bestows the title of saint: the Holy Order of Shri Taponidhi 
Niranjani Akhada.

Ma Yoga Shakti (http://www.yogashakti.org/) was designated 
as Shakti Tant Shiromani  Maha Mandaleshwar  Matri Acharya 
by this spiritual order.

om peace!..
rudrani






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Sense perception (was Re: soma New Vedic



On Mar 14, 2005, at 1:50 PM, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis wrote:

 We were given the tools in our Sidhi
 practice.  The objective was not to really learn how to fly but to be
 able to fully function once we woke up.  Cool! Another master stroke
 by a true Master.  If you knew the real reason would you have done it?

I had thought this before. But I later decided it was just a 
rationalization.

But then I didn't have a lot of investment in the movement so it was 
easy to let that go.



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Gurus-Egos (was Re: Another Amma post (to a different group) by my friend)


Comments and questions below:

--- lupidus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 
 - 
   You didn't answer my question. What is your
 direct
   personal experience with Punditji to come to
 such a
   conclusion?
   -Peter
 
 If I had seen Mr. Shankar regularily for years,
 would that make you 
 satisfied ? Why should I give you any details
 whatsoever of my 
 experiences with Ravi Shankar ?

Because you apparently have had no direct experience
of him or his teaching and have come to a very
negative conclusion. Your opinion appears to be based
on TMO gossip and your own projections (But I could be
wrong!). To know any teacher you must spend time with
them and practice their teachings. For example, I can
say nothing about Amma even though I saw her 17 years
ago and got a hug from her. We have no dharma
together. I don't experience the Divine in her. But
this means nothing. For me to pass judgement on her
and her teachings would be the height of arrogance.
Obviously many see the Divine in her. I trust and
believe their experience and know for them she is
intimately involved with their awakening. Another
example: a good friend of mine has seen Punditji
several times and spent a day with him privately
several years ago. For him, zero, nada, zilch. He said
both he and I had more darshan than Punditji. Ha! He
has no dharma with Punditji. I do and very clearly
experience the Divine in him. It blows my mind. MMY
did an excellent job as his guru.

That being said, I do understand your comment about
Punditji being a MMY clone (I'm sure he'd see this as
a great compliment). When I first saw a tape of him I
had the same reaction; I thought he was copying MMY.
But as I got to experience him personally this rapidly
changed. The Divine within him radiates just as
powerfully as MMY, but his personality is very, very
different. Much more laid-back and personal.  


 
 I do take it for granted though, that your comment
 of Mr. Shankar 
 being Guru Dev was a joke.

Absolutely not (But what it even means to say that
Punditji is Guru Dev is something I don't understand).
You have no idea who Punditji is if you haven't spent
time with him. But it probably isn't your dharma to
have a relationship with him. Your Divine comes in a
different package. Different jug, same water. The
divine in Guru Dev is the same in MMY and is the same
in Punditji. These guys (along with all the other
ones) are more than enlightened. They function as
gurus. A guru is much more than enlightenment.
-Peter



 
  
   --- lupidus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



I've seen enough.
 

And; Guru Dev is not yet in incarnation
 though He
will be, hopefully
soon, as one of the most outstanding,
 spotless and
evolved member of
the Hierarchy of the Masters of Wisdom, in
 evolution
very close 
indeed to the Master of Masters, Maitreya;
 the
Christ, Buddha, Iman
Madhi, Krishna.
 
The Masters, our oldest Brothers who will be
 the
custodians of wisdom
in this coming Age of Enlightenment, will, in
 time,
be about 40 in
all. Including Maitreya who is with us now
 today,
having created a
mahavirupta body (selfcreated)in His abode in
 the
Himalayas, and who
came to London in 1977 where He still is.

for more information, please see:
http://www.shareintl.org

I will fill the world with love and create
 Heaven
on Earth  - 
Maharishi


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 Sutphen
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 Lupidus, how much direct experience do you
 have
with
 Punditji?
 -Peter
 
 --- lupidus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  
  I think Pundiji is MMY's Guru Dev
 coming back
   to check-up on him!
   -Peter
 
  
  Oh, please. Ravi Shankar is a smug
 little
sama-veda
  pundit who adores
  to be adored and just loves all the
 attention he
  gets, and wants to
  copy (down to dressing, hair, typeface
 and
design)
  the success of
  Maharishi who employed him in the first
 place.
Seing
  him loving to be
  adorned as a 'guru' one wonders if it
 possibly
could
  be true that he
  has only done 7 incarnations before
 this one.
Most
  of the 
  contributers on this forum has
 thousands and are
  probably far more
  advanced souls.
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Buddhist 'Nirvana' Vs. Hindu 'Moksha'

2005-03-14 Thread markmeredith2002



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rudra_joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Actually the difference is practical only for the mind at first when
one is on the path. Because at that point one can immerse the mind in
samadhi and yet when returning to the daily life nothing has changed
and one keeps making the same mistakes and still one can't seem to get
it just right.  So what is needed are skillful means to become not
just a transcending personality but a transcendental personality.
Buddhism in working with the negative of a person starts way ahead in
terms of philosophy for being transcendental because one doesn't much
care what oneself thinks in the first place because its understood to
be delusional and self serving. Not taking oneself very seriously at
all really helps one open their eyes while in activity without all
sorts of personality issues. Of course, that I'm even saying this is
wrong and I am delusional because I prolly have the biggest ego here
of the lot. I was bordering on personality issues at work with the
other chef. We're both tired. Ah, too much thinking. Thought is
unimportant as it's just more maya. Think I'll take a real look
around.  This is Buddhism. What is right here right now? This is
Buddhism. Hinduism, ahh yes, God is great and the yugas are changing
follow your varna, wait till you're old to go be sannyas in the
aranyaka. But if you go all the way then is liberation. Mostly for the
renunciate like Buddhism, but in both are also the agamas and nigamas.
Tantra is the path for someone who would be liberated so that they can
chop and carry. There are four dharmas in Hinduism of which moksha is
one, in Buddhism there is The Dharma of liberation only. 
 
 However, tantra is like drinking poison, once started the mind and
personality dissolve and someone if they really were materialists can
feel like hell.  It takes the having sex on a corpse in a graveyard
mentality for Bhairava and Chandi practice, same for Chod and
Trekchod. Don't have that mentality then don't do tantra. 
 
 Are the goals the same? Well, prolly not since if you go right and I
go left chances are we won't meet. 

Unless you walk far enough and meet on the other side of the world.







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Sense perception (was Re: soma New Vedic



--- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 On Mar 14, 2005, at 1:50 PM,
 tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis wrote:
 
  We were given the tools in our Sidhi
  practice.  The objective was not to really learn
 how to fly but to be
  able to fully function once we woke up.  Cool!
 Another master stroke
  by a true Master.  If you knew the real reason
 would you have done it?
 
 I had thought this before. But I later decided it
 was just a 
 rationalization.
 
 But then I didn't have a lot of investment in the
 movement so it was 
 easy to let that go.

The TM-siddhi program is a powerful, powerful
technique that fosters awareness of Self through the
buddhi/intellect. It pulls Self into awareness in
the pauses between sutras. The mind begins to
spontaneously discriminate between the points of time
as they pass and moves into pure consciousness without
loss of mental functioning. It is, in a very basic
way, the opposite of TM. In TM you calm the mind
down and slide into pure consciousness when there is
essentially no mental functioning (I just
realized-chitta vritti narodha-duh!)  As Tom said, it
is a brilliant Master stroke that has very little to
do with the overt development of siddhis. You may not
be able to fly, but you're going to wake up!
-Peter 




 
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: New Vedic Translation?



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mark robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
   _  
SNIP

  Bob,
  
   
  
  It's nice that you can have so much faith in those who claim to
  know Soma without supplying a sound Vedic foundation. I mean
 the
  problem is the contrary evidence present in Vedic literature's
  own main book: the Rig Veda. And virtually everyone in the
 Vedic
  scene ignores it with some sort of weird mass-denial. In other
  words, just read the first Vedic texts for your self, instead
 of
  trusting someone else's commentary (that's probably based on
  layers and layers of previous commentaries). 
  
   
  
  -Mark
 
 **
 
 I have confidence, based on my experience with the centerpiece of
 
 Vedic culture (TM), that Maharishi's revival of Vedic wisdom (the
 
 Ayurveda and Soma-explaining content of which he handed off to 
 Chopra) is authentic -- therefore it not necessary for me to re-
 invent the wheel, but instead rely on people of higher
 consciousness 
 to package this material for me (and, conversely, not rely on
 people 
 of unknown consciousness to interpret the material for me).
 
 The Vedas are coded (Jaimini describes some of the encoding in
 his 
 analysis of the Vedas) and hard to understand. 
 From The Concise Srimad Bhagavatam, SUNY Press, 1989, available
 at 
 http://www.21stbooks.com/ :
 
 Lord Krishna continued:
 The utterances of the veda are hard to comprehend. The
 articulate 
 sound of the mantra alone is not the truth. The real meaning of
 the 
 veda is hidden and known only to me. Therefore, only he who is
 solely 
 devoted to me, can grasp it. p. 360, Book Eleven, Ch. 21
 
 
 --
 
  
 
 Bob,
 
  
 
 So you would rather believe the preachers than read the bible
 yourself eh? Good luck with your salvation; you'll need it. You
 are a priest's wet dream, who instructs do not attempt to
 educate yourself by trying to read that which you are incapable
 of comprehending; place all your faith in my rendering of the
 word of god (and while you are at it, give me your money [and
 I'll give it to god] - and would you like to kiss god?..). 
 
  
 
 Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!
 
  
 
  -Mark

***

The Vedas are inaccessible to people of ordinary human consciousness, 
as Larry Domash first suggested, it's like a hologram being 
inaccessible to anything but coherent (laser) light:


Collier draws several analogies between states of consciousness 
attained during TM and recognized quantum theoretic phenomena such as 
laser light and super conducting fluids. 1) Language used by 
psychologists to describe TMcoherent, stable, unified, pure and non-
chaoticis similar to that used to describe laser light. Some studies 
of brain waves of meditators show a relatively correlated firing of 
brain cells.(more at link http://www.siue.edu/~jandris/qtcer.htm ) 

That's why the Vedic sages introduced the comic book version of the 
Vedas: the Puranas and the Mahabharata and other works, which present 
in plain text and easy-to-understand stories everything that is in 
the Vedas in coded form. 





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I visited Amma's Indian ashram - part I

Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I visited Amma's Indian ashram - part I





on 3/13/05 1:51 PM, akasha_108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Rick,

What are you thoughts on these and related posts?

As I read through these Amma posts Im going to respond to some of them by posting some things written by a good friend of mine on an Amma chat. Her experience with Amma is much more extensive than mine. Heres one:

I don't know.  You get a completely different perspective spending time with Mother in 
India.  Many things happen in an ashram that size and some are discussed during 
satsangs, Mother specifically asking people not to take notes and then send e-mails to the 
west about what is discussed, things can get twisted, taken out of context, 
misunderstood.  I respect that.

I have been in India every year during Amma's birthday from 1997 to 2001, and every year 
Mother says She wants no fuss, but will let the devotees celebrate.  I was sitting a few feet 
away from Mother when Swamiji talked about His plans for the big birthday bash.  Amma 
was disgusted, embarrassed, wanted nothing to do with it, looked at us and said what She 
wanted was to have the westerners come and help build the houses, or a normal 
celebration like every year.  This was Swamiji's initiative and others jumped on the 
bandwagon, especially the politicians (namely the one mentionned in prior articles).  A lot 
of the long timers stayed completely away from the whole thing.  People around Her have 
egos, no matter how devoted and dedicated they are, and therefore on some level, their 
own agendas.  Pushing Mother is one of them.

Mother complains over and over about how nobody around Her listens to Her. She has 
become very much a prisoner in Her own home.  She cannot go out of the house, move 
freely, express herself freely, even swim in Her pool without being jumped on by the 
freenzied bhaktinis!  I have seen it evolve over the last few years and it was very sad to 
watch...  




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[FairfieldLife] Re: New Vedic Translation?



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, S.A. Feite [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 
 Hi Bob:
 
  
  When soma has done its job, and Brahman/Unity Consciousness is 
  gained, then the body produces amrita, the nectar of immortality, 
  which allows one to live forever in that body if desired.
 
 What is your source for this hypothesis? MMY?

**

MMY was the source for soma information (I can't give a specific 
reference, however, MMY has spoken many times about the fact that 
awareness is full in Cosmic Consciousness, and that growth beyond 
that state is on the level of the senses, enabled by Soma, which 
ultimately allows one to see the Self at every turn), source of 
amrita info was Bobananda.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Sense perception (was Re: soma New Vedic



On Mar 14, 2005, at 6:34 PM, Peter Sutphen wrote:

 The TM-siddhi program is a powerful, powerful
 technique that fosters awareness of Self through the
 buddhi/intellect. It pulls Self into awareness in
 the pauses between sutras. The mind begins to
 spontaneously discriminate between the points of time
 as they pass and moves into pure consciousness without
 loss of mental functioning. It is, in a very basic
 way, the opposite of TM. In TM you calm the mind
 down and slide into pure consciousness when there is
 essentially no mental functioning (I just
 realized-chitta vritti narodha-duh!)  As Tom said, it
 is a brilliant Master stroke that has very little to
 do with the overt development of siddhis. You may not
 be able to fly, but you're going to wake up!

It is clever if that was the intent, I'm just not convinced it was the 
intent. So many stopped at the road-signs on the road to CC. They're 
still there staring at them. I also see a pattern of a lot of people 
who learned the poetic language of enlighten-talk and walk who probably 
never were. But then they really didn't have a teacher to verify their 
state. It was valuable for me to a point. I still use it, you can 
integrate it, I don't feel any need to reject it as a practice. But it 
cannot lead to UC. Well maybe Unity Andy...;-)

It has lost an evolutionary motion on me, but I do admire it for what 
it is.



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Regarding the Amma posts


on 3/13/05 2:02 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Frankly, the only part that surprised me personally was the misrepresentation
 of the 
 charitable activities, which I now accept as a possibility but not as a proven
 thing. This will 
 shake out for awhile and eventually I will decide for myself what I think the
 truth of it is.
 
 I'm sure that many of you will have noted a certain irony in the situation.
 This chat group, 
 viewed by many TM faithful as anti-TM in nature, is now seeing criticisms
 raised against a 
 group that many in the TM fold regard as the TMO's biggest local competitor.
 Perhaps that 
 accounts for the slight aroma of Gotcha! that permeates some of the posts.
 
 I think we have to accept that what is sauce for the goose is sauce for the
 gander. While I 
 find these allegations disappointing (notice that I don't call them
 disclosures because I
 don't think we have enough info here to reach sweeping conclusions), I think
 that in the 
 big picture it is better to have the discussion than not to have it.
 
I agree. Many here know me as an Amma devotee, but my first point of
devotion is the purport of the quote on the home page of this group: What
is wanted is not the will to believe, but the wish to find out, which is the
exact opposite. I hope I'll always have the gumption to stick to that no
matter what the ramifications for my beliefs. I'll make some more comments
in response to other posts, and will pull over relevant comments from
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ammachi_free_speech_zone

In another post, Off World Beings accused LB of being a fundamentalist. I
think LB has a track record decades old that disproves this. I know few
people who show his willingness to allow cherished assumptions to crumble on
the hard rocks of evidence.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: soma .. was: New Vedic Translation?



Bob supplied [[ http://www.trancenet.org/secrets/soma/ ]]
**  hhhmm .. ok.  two things: first, it sounds like vampirism; 
second, whats wrong w/being a religion?  why the court action?

om peace!..
rudrani






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[FairfieldLife] name that tune



http://www.musipedia.org/pcnop.0.html





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[FairfieldLife] Re: soma .. was: New Vedic Translation?



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rudrani [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 
 Bob supplied [[ http://www.trancenet.org/secrets/soma/ ]]
 **  hhhmm .. ok.  two things: first, it sounds like vampirism; 
 second, whats wrong w/being a religion?  why the court action?
 
 om peace!..
 rudrani

***

1. The information supplied by Trancenet about Soma was part of the 
information made public in the court trial, therefore, although you 
may regard it as vampirism, it is not illegal. 

2. In the U.S. there is a constitutional prohibition against the 
government establishing religion:

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/amendment01/02.html

The Court found in Malnak v. Yogi that (although TM practice was not 
religious in itself) the SCI course did amount to establishment of 
religion since it deals with issues normally assigned to religion:

http://www.waldorfcritics.org/active/articles/Gen_Couns_to_SD.html







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[FairfieldLife] Re: New Vedic Translation?



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, easyone200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Brigante 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  I have confidence, based on my experience with the centerpiece of 
  Vedic culture (TM), that Maharishi's revival of Vedic wisdom (the 
  Ayurveda and Soma-explaining content of which he handed off to 
  Chopra) is authentic -- therefore it not necessary for me to re-
  invent the wheel, but instead rely on people of higher 
consciousness 
  to package this material for me (and, conversely, not rely on 
people 
  of unknown consciousness to interpret the material for me).
 
 Bob
 You have clearly shown the complete surrender of your own opinion, 
reasoning, thought 
 and well, I guess everything to M and whoever else meets your 
requirements for being 
 in the know. Does this  restrict itself to Vedic wisdom alone?


 Congratulations expect your platinum, no lets make that mercury  
cult credit card in the 
 mail shortly.

***

Thanks, but I'm getting plenty of mercury from China:

http://tinyurl.com/5g93q





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[FairfieldLife] Re: New Vedic Translation? Euphedra

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mark robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   _  

 From: akasha_108 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 2:41 PM
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Vedic Translation? Euphedra

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mark robert [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
_  

  One of the articles in the Journal of Vedic studies attempted
 to
  prove, thru this detailed 
  textual analysis, that soma was in fact the ephedra plant. The
  real reason that the Vedic 
  rishis were so awake was because they were quaffing down
 ephedra!
  The image was just 
  hilarious of these dreadlocked rishis, speeding there brains
 out
  like undergrads cramming 
  for midterms. 

  -V.

  Ahhh, the real definition of awakening.

 -

 There is more than textual pointers that Euphedra (and cannabis)
 were
 used in ancient rites -- that involved lots of mixing, grinding
 and
 straining (echos of 9th mandala -- and many other things) . While
 this
 does not prove any link to soma, it is interesting. 

 --

 Akasha,

 I can't tell if you are saying that these substances might play a
 roll in the explanation of the mixing and straining as described
 in the 9th mandala or not. If so, you are definitely suggesting
 links to Soma. I mean, the Rig Veda is/was the origin of the
 word. No other definition of Soma that came later could possibly
 be more accurate.

 -mark

I am saying i was struck, in reading about the excavations, by the
general similarities with 9th mandala. However, some general parallels
do not a strong case (yet) make. Simply some pieces of the puzzle. And
Vaj indicated some text based pointers to Euphedra. Any of these taken
alone seem like straws in the wind. With more straws, perhaps a basket
is formed (or at least a straining cloth) :) .  

And if there were just text pointers, I would laugh as Vaj did -- at
the apparent narrow literal mindedness of the researchers in seeing
Euphedra as a tool of awakening. 

However, given the ancient ritual site found with Euphedra, at a
location and time where there was a branching off of migration to both
India and Persia -- each with soma traditions -- it does make Euphedra
 an object of possibility. 

And it is consistent with, though of course does not in any way prove,
my neuro-tranmitter cocktail hypothesis whereby the cocktail enables
connections between various potential -- yet til now unactiveated --
pathways in the nervous system to light up in wonderous cosmic ways.
(Euphedra  being chock full of alkoloids and neuro-transmitter related
material)

Roughly, it is sort of like a CPU in a PC: an almost infinite set of
potential patterns of circuits, some on, some off -- the combination
makes for specific and unique states. Various software create various
sequences of sets of circuit states. There undoubtedly could be some
awesome, software --  yet to be coded perhaps, that could enable the
CPU to do wonderous things we had not envisioned in its normal
routine set of programs. 

Thats what the neuotransmitter cocktail would be -- software for the
cicuits of the brain that make it fire up and run in new, powerful,
profound and cosmic ways we don't normally experience using our daily
software / neurotransmitter mixes.

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[FairfieldLife] Sense perception (was Re: soma New Vedic

2005-03-14 Thread tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis



Vaj writes: re Sidhi practice
I still use it, you can integrate it, I don't feel any need to reject
it as a practice. But it cannot lead to UC. Well maybe Unity Andy...;-)

Tom T:
Well actually the Sidhi practice might lead to a minute or two in
Unity and then the entire weight of the practice and many years of
experience bounces one into Brahmin.  Again, the goal of a me being in
Union with Creation was just another part of the smoke and mirror
trick MMY used to get you done. Brahmin can not be returned and one
knows Self has found Self and that is all that matters.  Tom






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[FairfieldLife] Re: New Vedic Translation? Euphedra



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 If so, you are definitely suggesting
  links to Soma. I mean, the Rig Veda is/was the origin of the
  word. No other definition of Soma that came later could possibly
  be more accurate.

I am not sure why oldest is best. It may be. But I would think any
direct account of its use or creation would be useful. 

Are you under the impression that Soma only existed in Rig Veda times?
I don't know that it did or did not, though I speculate that it has
been formulated in its outer form at various times through the ages. 

 






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Vedic Translation? Euphedra



On Mar 14, 2005, at 8:10 PM, akasha_108 wrote:

 Are you under the impression that Soma only existed in Rig Veda times?
 I don't know that it did or did not, though I speculate that it has
 been formulated in its outer form at various times through the ages.

Well there is a very old tradition of soma which may date to pre-Vedic 
times, and that is the Soma-siddhanta. It is a tantric practice and 
centers around a bizarre etymology of the word soma. In tantra, 
different approaches to the state of Unity will be concealed by two 
words joined together in one word. In Soma-siddhanta, soma is actually 
the compound sa-Umaa, that is Shiva and Uma conjoined.

Their nectar of union is soma.

-Vaj.



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[FairfieldLife] Re: soma .. was: New Vedic Translation?

2005-03-14 Thread Patrick Gillam



rudrani wrote regarding http://www.trancenet.org/secrets/soma:
  
  it sounds like vampirism

What's cool is to be a TMing Christian. You eat the body 
and blood of Christ when you take communion, and Indra 
drinks the soma you produce in meditation. To the extent 
that the communion bread and wine contribute to the 
creation of soma, you're feeding Jesus to Indra.

 - Patrick Gillam





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[FairfieldLife] Re: New Vedic Translation?

2005-03-14 Thread easyone200



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
SNIP
Easyone wrote
  Bob
  You have clearly shown the complete surrender of your own opinion, 
 reasoning, thought 
  and well, I guess everything to M and whoever else meets your 
 requirements for being 
  in the know. Does this  restrict itself to Vedic wisdom alone? 
  Congratulations expect your platinum, no lets make that mercury  
 cult credit card in the 
  mail shortly.
Bob Brigante wrote
 
 Thanks, but I'm getting plenty of mercury from China:
 
 http://tinyurl.com/5g93q

Don't worry Bob if it passed over India on the way here I'm sure it became 
ayurvedic and is 
good for you. Just ask VAJ.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Buddhist 'Nirvana' Vs. Hindu 'Moksha'



On Mar 14, 2005, at 5:18 PM, rudra_joe wrote:

 However, tantra is like drinking poison, once started the mind and 
 personality dissolve and someone if they really were materialists can 
 feel like hell.  It takes the having sex on a corpse in a graveyard 
 mentality for Bhairava and Chandi practice, same for Chod and 
 Trekchod. Don't have that mentality then don't do tantra.
   

Well, there is a difference between the Inner Tantras and Tregchod, 
although you *can* use the inner tantras as a diving board. In sutric 
Buddhism or Vedic Hinduism you avoid the poison. In tantra you 
transform it into pure energy by mixing it with its opposite. In 
Tregchod you just 'leave it as it is' and it self-liberates, like 
feathers in flame or snow in water--unity consciousness, the highest 
first is the basic practice there--not CC, GC, UC.

I feel there is a form of tantra for every temperament. That's what the 
stories of the 84 mahasiddhas taught me: the whore, the courtesan, the 
beggar and the millionaire all have their own cure. So does everyone 
else.

-Vaj


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[FairfieldLife] Re: New Vedic Translation? Ephedra

2005-03-14 Thread m2smart4u2000



snip
Ephedra is the Mua hang plant used in Chinese medicene. It basically 
counter acts Kapha and is excellent for people with breathing 
disorders ie mucus and colds. It helps in weight loss and therefore 
I bought out the market before it became illegal to sell. I find 
that caffiene has a much stronger effect on making my heart race 
than ephedra. 





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Sense perception (was Re: soma New Vedic


They woke me up.
-Peter

--- Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Really?  I must have been doing the wrong
 sutras--most of the time they 
 just put me to sleep.   I have a friend who goes to
 the the dome mainly 
 because she says it's still a great place to
 sleep--she stays awake 
 half the night so she can crash there. :)
 
 Sal
 
 
 On Mar 14, 2005, at 5:34 PM, Peter Sutphen wrote:
 
  As Tom said, it
   is a brilliant Master stroke that has very little
 to
   do with the overt development of siddhis. You may
 not
   be able to fly, but you're going to wake up!
 

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Vedic Translation? Ephedra



On Mar 14, 2005, at 9:44 PM, m2smart4u2000 wrote:

 Ephedra is the Mua hang plant used in Chinese medicene. It basically
 counter acts Kapha and is excellent for people with breathing
 disorders ie mucus and colds. It helps in weight loss and therefore
 I bought out the market before it became illegal to sell. I find
 that caffiene has a much stronger effect on making my heart race
 than ephedra.

You might like somalata rasayana then. It is more balanced than just 
the raw plant extract and quite delicious.



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[FairfieldLife] Re: Finances

2005-03-14 Thread Donald Sosin


Seems to me I remember hearing that if the Master says to sweep the hut 
out, then you sweep it out. And when that's done, if he says sweep it 
out again, you do it. If he's the Master, you just do it and don't make 
a deal of it. If he's not YOUR Master, then why are you involved in a 
discussion about this? Move on and find something that works for you 
instead of this petty pitta grumbling. Write a song, shovel some snow. 
Get a laugh.



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[FairfieldLife] One last post.

2005-03-14 Thread off_world_beings



This is my best post EVER !
Worth reading all the way!

  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rudra_joe 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
   To think that one is only what they are born into is 
fatalistic 
  and inhuman. To think that Jesus the Jew shaped  his philosophy 
 and 
  love for all of humankind merely on the tenets of his fathers 
was 
  like saying Einstein merely followed up on Newton. 
  
  Thats not what I said. I said Buddha was born and bred in a 
Vedic 
  culture and rejected some Vedic practices, and carried some 
others 
  on and changed some around.
  
  
  Honestly, you don't write as if you know much about Buddha 
or 
 Buddhism. Sorry, my two piase. Do you know what the three turnings 
 of the wheel of dharma are? If not then please don't speak about 
the 
 Buddha again as your words are more useless on this topic than 
 cigarette smoke. 


Fvck off retard


rudra_joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  Besides , Jesus was echoing things laready in his tradition. Its 
  just that he was talking to a bunch of real live people with all 
 the 
  usual faults etc. (Kinda like a liberal living ina red state
  
  Same again, what even about the figment Jesus are you 
speaking 
 about. Have you studied your gnosis and apocrypha?  I'd guess not 
or 
 you would know that Jesus for instance believed that the God of 
this 
 realm was a feminine who he most likely called Sophia.  If that's 
a 
 shocker then you need to read on and get true to your source 
 material, not true to your ignorance.  Try getting outside 
yourself 
 and expand your reading. My guess is that you already know 
Hinduism 
 like your cock.


Fvck off retard


rudra_joe [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:
  skin flips. Been there, done that. As a witch I felt closer to 
 Jesus 
  than most of his professed priests, and when I burned I thought 
of 
  him on the cross with pity, for they knew not what they did 
those 
  ignorant fucks. Who kill what they don't understand. 
  
  
  
   What are you on man?
  
  
  -Uh, recently gave up poppy tea. gave up in the past lsd, 
 coke, crack, opiates, and will continue to do shroomies, cacti, 
 herb, and other naturals.  What am I not on Man?  But guess what? 
 We're at the same dining table. The crumbs of which as Gibran 
said, 
 are this feast of words. Don't like it don't eat it. Have you ever 
 meditated stoned? Try it, you might be surprised that it's not 
only 
 still possible but utterly fucking phenomenal.  
  
  At other times I meditated jonesing from crack after spending 
two 
 hundred bucks smoking rocks with niggers in the ghetto. Sweatin 
and 
 shakin.  There's no separation for me between religion and my very 
 own guts. That makes me sound crazy at times. Imagine rigpa in 
 opiate withdrawls.  If the state of awareness is not there always 
 then it's not there at all.  A merely good time friend. Other 
people 
 can learn from madmen, so you can too. 


Fvck off retard.




vvrrRR0o.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Amma's former swami speaks

Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Amma's former swami speaks

I have no facts to counter these claims. My only comment is that every announcement Ive ever heard about the hospital mentioned that a percentage of the patients received free or subsidized coverage. I never heard it announced or implied that all of them did.

on 3/13/05 10:39 AM, luzalma1 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

This statement was emailed to the Amma satsang groups by one of
Amma's former swamis when he left the organization. He was the Joint
Secretary in charge of accounts, administration, banking and
investments. He was offered money by the ashram if he would retract
what he wrote, but he has courageously stood by his words despite
being now under financial pressure. He recently started a wholesale
export business for religious and devotional items. The quality and
prices of his merchandise seem very good. Anyone interested should
check out his website www.celextel.com

IDEAS IN REALITY - INSIDE STORY

My life of Twenty-Two Years as a Monastic was of never ending
struggles in trying to bring the various Spiritual Ideas as Reality
in my Life. While attempting to narrow down the gaps between the
Ideas and Reality, I finally chose to observe my Life in Reality and
had to give up the Ideas that remained unrealistic in my Life.

Chastity was the main Idea that had failed to become Reality in my
Life primarily due to the highly stimulating environment that I was
put in.

Not only in the individual level, but also in the Organization
level, I have seen wide gaps when the ideas are put into practice.
To narrate a few instances:

1. Just before the Inauguration of the Hospital at Cochin, we had
suggested Amma to declare that Hospital as a Charitable One. But
Amma had firmly told us that Amma would declare it as a FREE
Hospital as that being Amma's real intention while establishing the
same. Under the Indo-US Agreement, to get the complete waiver of
Customs Duty for all the Medical Items to be Imported, the Ashram
also has given an Irrevocable Undertaking to the Government of India
that the Hospital would provide Medical Treatments at Free of Cost.
But in Reality, as everyone here knows, the Ashram Hospital at
Cochin is not a Free Hospital; Neither it could be considered to be
a Charitable One as Certain Percentage of Beds have not been set
aside as Free Ones for the use of Deserving Poor Patients. Many of
the Deserving Patients from the Poorest Strata of the Society are
turned away by the Hospital; Few of the luckiest ones get Subsidy;
Persons from the Middle Class of the Society get affordable
Treatment and the Affluent ones get the Treatment at a Competitive
Rate. The Math which is a Charitable Trust is not supposed to run
the Hospital like a Commercial Establishment as it is doing right
now. When would the Ashram make the Hospital at Cochin as a Free or
a Charitable One in Reality ?

2. The Ashram now claims to have completed 15,000 Houses to the
Deserving Poor under the current Housing Scheme. In Reality, the
Ashram has constructed not more than 7,500 Houses [50%] so far. The
Ashram also is claiming to have spent about Rs.28,000/= per House.
But in Reality, the cost incurred by the Ashram for each of the
House is not more than Rs.14,000/= [50%]. Why are the False
Claims ?...

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RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Vedic Translation? Euphedra

2005-03-14 Thread mark robert



















From: akasha_108
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Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 8:10
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To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: New
Vedic Translation? Euphedra






---
In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If so, you
are definitely suggesting
 
links to Soma. I mean, the Rig Veda is/was the origin of the
 
word. No other definition of Soma that came later could possibly
  be
more accurate.

I am not
sure why oldest is best. It may be. But I would think any
direct
account of its use or creation would be useful. 

Are you
under the impression that Soma only existed in Rig Veda times?
I don't know
that it did or did not, though I speculate that it has
been
formulated in its outer form at various times through the ages. 



--



Akasha,



Oldest is best when it comes to trying to
understand the original meaning of a word. Reasonably, the oldest appearance of
the word would be the closest a researcher could come to discovering its
original definition. I am under the impression that the word Soma
first appeared in the Rig Veda. Am I wrong (with my chronology)? Is not the Rig
the oldest Veda? Did Soma appear before then? If so, in what
text(s)? 



As far as whether the substance Soma
pre-dated the word Soma, I would imagine it did. But that gets us nowhere in
our search for the identification of it. 



-Mark









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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Regarding the Amma posts


on 3/13/05 3:03 PM, at_man_and_brahman at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 
 Any guru who prefaces public statements
 with my children... loses me pretty quickly.
 
Karunamayi uses the phrase My babies.
 
 I don't have any deep knowledge of Amma's
 gig, but the very distant view I have is of a
 pretentious attitude toward those who
 approach her. As I recall, for instance,
 someone here quoted her as having
 commented on Maharishi and Muktananda
 that she created them. Whoa.

I posted that story. I heard it anecdotally. The saints referred to were
Maharishi and Ramakrishna.
 
 Maharishi, in general, treats other people
 like adults, not as subservient children,
 at least in the way he addresses them.

In terms of his terminology, yes, but the caste differences are greater in
my experience. I've never seen him shovel shit, as Amma has literally done.
 
 I also question the ethics of any of the various
 gurus who have set up outposts (or inposts)
 in Fairfield. If they truly respected Maharishi,
 I think they would discourage such
 encroachment on the spiritual community
 he founded. 

Who said they had to respect him? Also, they were all invited by people who
no longer felt that the TMO was serving their spiritual needs.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Regarding the Amma posts

Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Regarding the Amma posts

on 3/13/05 4:13 PM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I also question the ethics of any of the various
gurus who have set up outposts (or inposts)
in Fairfield. If they truly respected Maharishi,
I think they would discourage such
encroachment on the spiritual community
he founded.

I know , its like dogs feeding off the scraps from the Kings banquet.

No, its like the king ran out of food a long time ago, or that many in the court found the food indigestible. So if someone comes along offering more palatable food.

RIGHT ON BOB !
You hit the nail on the head there.
I always thought that was a low way to proceed.
Maharishi is light years ahead of these scavengers.

Have you ever met any of these saints? I think you would be embarrassed at having called them scavengers. But if you want to use that term, lets say that the TMO was good at growing fruit, but lousy at picking it. Dozens of people in Fairfield who felt stuck in their evolution experienced profound, permanent awakenings through the influence of Gangaji, Saniel Bonder, etc. Others may not have awakened but found a much-needed devotional focus in Amma, Karunamayi, Shree Maa and others that the TMO was unable to offer.

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Regarding the Amma posts


on 3/13/05 4:52 PM, easyone200 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 off_world_beings wrote
  
 Question to you LB: If I went to the Dalai Lama's ashram , or to
 some Tibetan monestary, or to a Hindu Temple complex, and started
 getting wayward followers into my own personal 'movement', how would
 you feel about it?
 
   My MY MY! Off world, Does Maha own the entire town? The county? State. How
 large is 
 his ego complex.
 
Moreover, it¹s my observation that there are many spiritually mature people
in this town for whom distancing themselves from the TMO was an essential
step in that maturation. I would hardly characterize them as wayward.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Regarding the Amma posts

Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Regarding the Amma posts





on 3/13/05 5:12 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Second thing: In Rishikesh you find, more often than not, ashrams located side-by-side 
and in groups. In most of them, no one gets upset if the sannyasis take a few weeks of 
instruction at the Divine Light Mission, or (God forbid) sit in a Punditji's satsang when he's 
in town. The attitude is more collegial and accepting. The attitude of the TMO, by 
comparison, is an aberration.

Theres the story of Guru Devs master allowing his students to attend another gurus lecture. And someone here posted the story of Guru Dev sending some of his disciples to get a japa mantra from another master.



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Regarding the Amma posts

Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Regarding the Amma posts





on 3/13/05 5:00 PM, at_man_and_brahman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


By putting FFL out of business, I
plainly meant that competitive forces
have the potential to solve a great 
many problems that this group 
expends tremendous energy 
complaining about. I'm not against
such forces. I prefer to see them
unfold from the demand side rather
than from the supply side.

These gurus and teachers dont send scouts in to gauge the local interest. They are invited by interested locals. People bugged Ammachi to come here for years before she finally came.



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Regarding the Amma posts

Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Regarding the Amma posts

on 3/13/05 6:17 PM, at_man_and_brahman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

If so, great, and I stand corrected.
Various posts to FFL have led me
to believe that Amma, for instance,
makes periodic visits to Mount
Pleasant

This summer (July 3 4) will be her 4th visit, and may be her last. Nothing official on that but theres great demand for her to go to South America and other places shes never been, and she only has so much time.

and that she plans to open
a Fairfield Ashram and take retreats
there. I must have been mistaken.

Youre confusing your Ammas. Ammachi may (or may not) open an ashram here. Karunamayi may take silence here somewhere on the outskirts of town.

You are right, btw, in your mention
elsewhere that death threats against
Amma are a crime, both legally and
morally. There is absolutely no
justification for such actions, and
MUM should publically condemn them.

To do so would be to publicly admit that they happen, which would be an embarrassment. MUM never admits embarrassing things unless under duress.

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Regarding the Amma posts

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on 3/13/05 6:40 PM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

It would be funny if all TM'rs left Fairfield suddenly. Fairfield 
would be a deadzone nowhere place. Even many non-meditators would 
leave eventually.

All that would be left are the old time Fairfielders, some crack 
addicts, and all the gurus would fade away back to where they came 
from.
Enough said.

Fairfield has evolved slowly but surely into an eclectic spiritual community. The TM core wont leave abruptly, so thats a moot point. It may continue to shrink while the general spiritual community (GSC) continues to grow. But even if the TM core were to experience the rapture tomorrow, I think the GSC has enough momentum to survive.



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[FairfieldLife] Re: Regarding the Amma posts



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 on 3/13/05 3:03 PM, at_man_and_brahman at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
  
  Any guru who prefaces public statements
  with my children... loses me pretty quickly.
  
 Karunamayi uses the phrase My babies.

Yuck.

  
  I don't have any deep knowledge of Amma's
  gig, but the very distant view I have is of a
  pretentious attitude toward those who
  approach her. As I recall, for instance,
  someone here quoted her as having
  commented on Maharishi and Muktananda
  that she created them. Whoa.
 
 I posted that story. I heard it anecdotally. The saints referred to were
 Maharishi and Ramakrishna.

I stand corrected. Either way, whoa.

  
  Maharishi, in general, treats other people
  like adults, not as subservient children,
  at least in the way he addresses them.
 
 In terms of his terminology, yes, but the caste differences are greater in
 my experience. I've never seen him shovel shit, as Amma has literally done.

I understand.

  
  I also question the ethics of any of the various
  gurus who have set up outposts (or inposts)
  in Fairfield. If they truly respected Maharishi,
  I think they would discourage such
  encroachment on the spiritual community
  he founded. 
 
 Who said they had to respect him?

The don't, of course. It's just that I get the
idea that at least RS offers up words of respect.
Of course, he hasn't set up a Fairfield ashram
nor visited the town or nearby so far as I know,
so perhaps my argument doesn't really apply
to him.

I do wonder how Amma would feel if Maharishi
set up a community right next door to some
center of hers. Perhaps she would just give
it a big hug. 

It's interesting that SRF never came into Fairfield.
Regarding South Fallsburg, I don't know 
whether the TM group purchased space there
before SYDA or vice versa. That seemed to
be a comfortable coexistence, and Maharishi
was probably okay with it based on the
respect for Nityananda he spoke of when
he and Muktananda met in Seelisburg.

 Also, they were all invited by people who
 no longer felt that the TMO was serving their spiritual needs.

That's cool with me, as I said before. I'm not
against the competitive atmosphere, but
I don't think that this or that guru should
be active participants, especially since
Maharishi has never done that.

This is just my opinion, and I admit
that I might not be in a very good
position to have an opinion given
that I haven't lived there for nearly
twenty years. A lot has changed
in the years since, and I'm not 
up on all the changes.

All I can really say is that, if I ever
start a spiritual organization, I would
prefer to set up its core in a place
that doesn't encroach on competitors,
even though the businessman in me
knows that it's smarter to set up your
new Marathon station next to the
Shell and B.P.

It's all academic. The reality is that
Fairfield is a smorgasboard of 
spiritual alternatives, has been for
a long time, and it will never again be
otherwise. MUM/MVC will adapt
or die. L.B.'s reaction to my thoughts--
that I am clearly a zealot for my
dear Movement--is correct in that
that's how I felt years ago.

I have had my eyes opened to so
much crap about the Movement in
recent years that that is long over.
Further, three years of business 
school, just finished, have awakened
me to the laws of supply and demand,
and I think that the Fairfield community
would make an extraordinary, if weird,
case study in so many ways. Nonetheless,
HBS is unlikely to include it in the casebooks
any time soon.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Regarding the Amma posts



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 on 3/13/05 6:17 PM, at_man_and_brahman at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
  If so, great, and I stand corrected.
  Various posts to FFL have led me
  to believe that Amma, for instance,
  makes periodic visits to Mount
  Pleasant 
  
 This summer (July 3  4) will be her 4th visit, and may be her last. Nothing
 official on that but there¹s great demand for her to go to South America and
 other places she¹s never been, and she only has so much time.
  
  and that she plans to open
  a Fairfield Ashram and take retreats
  there. I must have been mistaken.
  
 You¹re confusing your Amma¹s. Ammachi may (or may not) open an ashram here.
 Karunamayi may take silence here somewhere on the outskirts of town.

I was afraid that I was mistaking one Amma
for another. So many products of unripe 
digestion to keep track of.

  
  You are right, btw, in your mention
  elsewhere that death threats against
  Amma are a crime, both legally and
  morally. There is absolutely no
  justification for such actions, and
  MUM should publically condemn them.
  
 To do so would be to publicly admit that they happen, which would be an
 embarrassment. MUM never admits embarrassing things unless under duress.

Yeah, of course. I'm an idealist.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Regarding the Amma posts



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 on 3/13/05 6:40 PM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  It would be funny if all TM'rs left Fairfield suddenly. Fairfield
  would be a deadzone nowhere place. Even many non-meditators would
  leave eventually.
  
  All that would be left are the old time Fairfielders, some crack
  addicts, and all the gurus would fade away back to where they came
  from.
  Enough said.
  
 Fairfield has evolved slowly but surely into an eclectic spiritual
 community. The TM core won¹t leave abruptly, so that¹s a moot point. It may
 continue to shrink while the general spiritual community (GSC) continues to
 grow. But even if the TM core were to experience the rapture tomorrow, I
 think the GSC has enough momentum to survive.

It's an extremely central point. Is the GSC feeding
off MUM's/MVC's teet, whether it wants to accept
it or not, or is there a truly independent community?
I think that the acid test is whether anyone moves
into the community to be a part of the GSC who has
no connection or interest in Maharishi World.

I don't know. Does anyone?

Again, a possible fascinating case study.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Regarding the Amma posts

Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Regarding the Amma posts





on 3/14/05 10:54 PM, at_man_and_brahman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
 Karunamayi uses the phrase My babies.

Yuck.

Some find it endearing.
 
 I posted that story. I heard it anecdotally. The saints referred to were
 Maharishi and Ramakrishna.

I stand corrected. Either way, whoa.

From one perspective, perhaps her predominant one, she did create them (so did I).
 
 Who said they had to respect him?

The don't, of course. It's just that I get the
idea that at least RS offers up words of respect.
Of course, he hasn't set up a Fairfield ashram
nor visited the town or nearby so far as I know,
so perhaps my argument doesn't really apply
to him.

Probably not. Maharishi was his guru.

Regarding South Fallsburg, I don't know 
whether the TM group purchased space there
before SYDA or vice versa. T

TM was there first.

That's cool with me, as I said before. I'm not
against the competitive atmosphere, but
I don't think that this or that guru should
be active participants, especially since
Maharishi has never done that.

Does Maharishi set that standard that all gurus should follow?



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Regarding the Amma posts

Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Regarding the Amma posts





on 3/14/05 11:03 PM, at_man_and_brahman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I think that the acid test is whether anyone moves
into the community to be a part of the GSC who has
no connection or interest in Maharishi World.

I don't know. Does anyone?

Yes, they do, and the frequency of this seems to be increasing.



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[FairfieldLife] Re: One last post.

2005-03-14 Thread easyone200



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 
 This is my best post EVER !
 Worth reading all the way!
 
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rudra_joe 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
   wrote:
To think that one is only what they are born into is 
 fatalistic 
   and inhuman. To think that Jesus the Jew shaped  his philosophy 
  and 
   love for all of humankind merely on the tenets of his fathers 
 was 
   like saying Einstein merely followed up on Newton. 
   
   Thats not what I said. I said Buddha was born and bred in a 
 Vedic 
   culture and rejected some Vedic practices, and carried some 
 others 
   on and changed some around.
   
   
   Honestly, you don't write as if you know much about Buddha 
 or 
  Buddhism. Sorry, my two piase. Do you know what the three turnings 
  of the wheel of dharma are? If not then please don't speak about 
 the 
  Buddha again as your words are more useless on this topic than 
  cigarette smoke. 
 
 
 Fvck off retard
 
 
 rudra_joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
   Besides , Jesus was echoing things laready in his tradition. Its 
   just that he was talking to a bunch of real live people with all 
  the 
   usual faults etc. (Kinda like a liberal living ina red state
   
   Same again, what even about the figment Jesus are you 
 speaking 
  about. Have you studied your gnosis and apocrypha?  I'd guess not 
 or 
  you would know that Jesus for instance believed that the God of 
 this 
  realm was a feminine who he most likely called Sophia.  If that's 
 a 
  shocker then you need to read on and get true to your source 
  material, not true to your ignorance.  Try getting outside 
 yourself 
  and expand your reading. My guess is that you already know 
 Hinduism 
  like your cock.
 
 
 Fvck off retard
 
 
 rudra_joe [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:
   skin flips. Been there, done that. As a witch I felt closer to 
  Jesus 
   than most of his professed priests, and when I burned I thought 
 of 
   him on the cross with pity, for they knew not what they did 
 those 
   ignorant fucks. Who kill what they don't understand. 
   
   
   
What are you on man?
   
   
   -Uh, recently gave up poppy tea. gave up in the past lsd, 
  coke, crack, opiates, and will continue to do shroomies, cacti, 
  herb, and other naturals.  What am I not on Man?  But guess what? 
  We're at the same dining table. The crumbs of which as Gibran 
 said, 
  are this feast of words. Don't like it don't eat it. Have you ever 
  meditated stoned? Try it, you might be surprised that it's not 
 only 
  still possible but utterly fucking phenomenal.  
   
   At other times I meditated jonesing from crack after spending 
 two 
  hundred bucks smoking rocks with niggers in the ghetto. Sweatin 
 and 
  shakin.  There's no separation for me between religion and my very 
  own guts. That makes me sound crazy at times. Imagine rigpa in 
  opiate withdrawls.  If the state of awareness is not there always 
  then it's not there at all.  A merely good time friend. Other 
 people 
  can learn from madmen, so you can too. 
 
 
 Fvck off retard.
 
 
 
 
 vvrrRR0o.

Sound like Hunter S Thomsons whinny younger brother-with a mantra





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[FairfieldLife] More comments from the Amma chat list

Title: More comments from the Amma chat list





It wouldn't surprise me if some of Amma's more rabidly Hindutva
followers have engaged in harsh wars of words with her critics -- you
know, fighting the good fight against the forces of darkness,
Arjuna-style -- but whether Amma or even her senior Swamis have
actually sanctioned threats (and of what type) is another issue
entirely.  As for the mysterious deaths, those sound a lot like the
piles of bodies in Arkansas that the Clintons left in their wake,
according to the likes of Jerry Falwell.

I think one would have to go to Kerala and really dig around to figure
out whether these alarming-sounding claims have any merit.  As in
politics here in the US, there is often lots of hyperbole and outright
lying.  Remember the Swift Boat Liars for Truth?  Based on what a
friend of mine who has spent time in Kerala tells me, such phenomena
are even greater over there than in the US.

-

In response to:

Rahima's Story 
 
 (13-Dec-02)
 
 Swept up by Mother-Love

Cultism comes in shades of grey, and Amma's group isn't immune even
though she herself sets an extraordinarily positive example.  It's sad
that this young woman became disillusioned, but her story is, IMHO, a
good cautionary tale about failing to approach in secret.  It sounds
like she relied too much on guidance from unenlightened senior
students, and too little on allowing the guru's grace to manifest and
guide from within.  However, if someone had told me this back when I
was in my 20's, I probably wouldn't have listened.  

Some lessons may just have to be learned.  At least this young woman
is fortunate not to have gotten involved with a genuine cult leader
type, who easily could have ruined her emotionally, sexually and
financially.  Some gurus, and students thereof, are more pure than
others, and only a maturing inner guru can make those distinctions.
  Otherwise, I guess it's just a matter of luck/grace/karma.

As for the huge organization  it's kind of a drag, but how else
would a lot of people who have clearly benefited from Amma get to see her?

-

I do not think that Amma wants ALL her devotees to start giving up 
all worldly relationships. Or even asks ALL her devotees to work 
beyond exhaustion... or even asks them ALL to wear white. She in fact
enquires if I have made new friends every time I move to a new place.
And since I am careless about the way I dress, She once commented that 
I had been wearing the same set of dresses for the past 5 years. And 
then when She saw my mother in India (I am studying in the states), 
Amma asked my mother to send me some new dresses.



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[FairfieldLife] Re: Regarding the Amma posts



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 on 3/14/05 10:54 PM, at_man_and_brahman at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
   
   Karunamayi uses the phrase My babies.
  
  Yuck.
  
 Some find it endearing.

double yuck

   
   I posted that story. I heard it anecdotally. The saints referred to were
   Maharishi and Ramakrishna.
  
  I stand corrected. Either way, whoa.
  
 From one perspective, perhaps her predominant one, she did create them (so
 did I).

Perhaps I wouldn't have been so
turned off if she had said, 
Both of them created me. So did
you.

   
   Who said they had to respect him?
  
  The don't, of course. It's just that I get the
  idea that at least RS offers up words of respect.
  Of course, he hasn't set up a Fairfield ashram
  nor visited the town or nearby so far as I know,
  so perhaps my argument doesn't really apply
  to him.
  
 Probably not. Maharishi was his guru.

A relationship long since severed by the
guru.

  
  Regarding South Fallsburg, I don't know
  whether the TM group purchased space there
  before SYDA or vice versa. T
  
 TM was there first.
  
  That's cool with me, as I said before. I'm not
  against the competitive atmosphere, but
  I don't think that this or that guru should
  be active participants, especially since
  Maharishi has never done that.
  
 Does Maharishi set that standard that all gurus should follow?

Absolutely not. Others are free to encourage
parasitism as much or as little as they like.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New Vedic Translation?






There is also a longstanding tradition that cannabis sativa is 
the soma plant. No firm opinion here.L B S---Nah, never 
heard that and I've spent years at the Shroomery, Bluelight, Nanooks, and so on 
you get the idea. The plant most often thought of as soma is the beautiful 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Regarding the Amma posts

Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Regarding the Amma posts





on 3/14/05 11:37 PM, at_man_and_brahman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  The don't, of course. It's just that I get the
  idea that at least RS offers up words of respect.
  Of course, he hasn't set up a Fairfield ashram
  nor visited the town or nearby so far as I know,
  so perhaps my argument doesn't really apply
  to him.
  
 Probably not. Maharishi was his guru.

A relationship long since severed by the
guru.

Was it? I have a friend who was in the room with Pundit-Ji on several occasions when Maharishi called and they had a long friendly chat. And even if that no longer happens, has the relationship really been severed?
  
 Does Maharishi set that standard that all gurus should follow?

Absolutely not. Others are free to encourage
parasitism as much or as little as they like.

parasitism: your bias. May not actually be the case.



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2005-03-14 Thread The Daily Inspiration

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March 15, 2005 - See the
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When
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Man's initial false premise is that he is separate from The One. All
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Gurus-Egos (was Re: Another Amma post (to a different group) by my friend)






Don't make me hiccough.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  lupidus108 
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 4:31 
PM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Gurus-Egos (was 
  Re: Another Amma post (to a different group) by my friend)
  I've seen enough.And; Guru Dev is not 
  yet in incarnation though He will be, hopefully soon, as one of the most 
  outstanding, spotless and evolved member of the Hierarchy of the Masters 
  of Wisdom, in evolution very close indeed to the Master of Masters, 
  Maitreya; the Christ, Buddha, Iman Madhi, Krishna.The Masters, our 
  oldest Brothers who will be the custodians of wisdom in this coming Age of 
  Enlightenment, will, in time, be about 40 in all. Including Maitreya who 
  is with us now today, having created a mahavirupta body (selfcreated)in 
  His abode in the Himalayas, and who came to London in 1977 where He still 
  is.for more information, please see: http://www.shareintl.org"I will 
  fill the world with love and create Heaven on Earth" - 
  Maharishi--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lupidus, how much direct 
  experience do you have with Punditji? -Peter  
  --- lupidus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think Pundiji is MMY's Guru Dev coming back   
  to check-up on him!   -Peter
Oh, please. Ravi Shankar is a smug little sama-veda  
  pundit who adores   to be adored and just loves all the attention 
  he  gets, and wants to   copy (down to dressing, hair, 
  typeface and design)  the success of   Maharishi who 
  employed him in the first place. Seing  him loving to be  
   adorned as a 'guru' one wonders if it possibly could  be true 
  that he   has only done 7 incarnations before this one. 
  Most  of the   contributers on this forum has 
  thousands and are  probably far more   advanced 
  souls.  
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