[FairfieldLife] Re: Recert News
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was in R.I. for the Ideal Society campaign. It was a manageable size town and we were talking to the guys on the City council. Most were fairly positive but non commital. At a meeting of the entire council, they were saying it all sounded like a good thing, but no action was being taken. Finally my wife (now ex) said I hear everyone saying it sounds good but no one is willing to try it (TM). So she points at the most positive guy and says Will you try it if (points to another positive guy) if he'll do it too? Well, it was brilliant. It worked. They all agreed to start. However, they all had to go to prep lecture at the center. The hopping sequence was running all down one side and around to another. The lecture went on for awhile and one of them just started looking at the poster hopping sequence. Finally, he says (loudly) What is THAT? The lecture stopped, they all freaked and that was that. It was such a good opportunity lost. Yup. Saw the same phenomenon a few times myself during that era. I think that people within the movement are such suckers for anything flashy that they think every- one else is, too. But the reality is that most people want their miracles safely locked away in books where they don't have to deal with them. Not only is the idea of TMers being able truly levitate (if it had been true) not a turn-on to such people, it's such a turn-off that I've seen people literally run out of the room. And that was the point, according to MMY. WHAT, precisely, was the point MMY chose to start teaching the -TM-Sidhis. Any attempt to downplay the unusual nature of the sidhis would be deceptive, so it's best to present them up front. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: gyani's karma
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (snip) What are your views on karma: You asked for my views so I gave them to you. My first response to your original post was hasty and flip but sometimes there is little time and these things get dashed off in a hurry. Do you hold that karma does not exist? If so, do you have an alternative model of action? I have always understood karma to mean literally action. In my view every action requires a desire and an intent of some sort, and although some actions may seem inconsequential in their impact, even a small action carries a small puff of desire and intent with it. So a karmic disease or accident or financial loss is desired? No, but whatever happens in life is our destiny created by our karma. Do you think a liberated one has absolutely no karma returning to them in this life / body? Not only that but I do not think that liberated ones even exist on earth unless they are an avatar. So there are no realized liberated ones walking the earth? I would call that an avatar. When people talk of their experiences of no-doer, what is the role of karma in that state? When people talk of their experiences of no-doer I do not think that they are liberated. Sorry I don't follow, your theory appears not based on any source other than speculation and your reasoning appears jumbled to me. That's fine if you do not follow what I am saying, we don't know each other and our glossary is probably totally out of synch. It doesn't matter, I wrote my sincere views on karma and I stand by them. It appears that you are the one who jumbled my reasoning through misinterpretation and as far as speculation is concerned; it's all speculation. Everything on the linked website, what you wrote and what I wrote, it's all speculation. Sometimes you just have to say what you feel and forget the sources, after all the sources are just other people saying what they feel. Rick Carlstrom Well good luck with that, with your profound views. May they serve you well. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
MMY inaugerated the first Meditation Academy 20.april 1961 in Rishikesh, and the first International TTC startet 16.04.1961 with 60 participants, including 3 from Norway. Two of them was autorized as Teachers in Deep Meditation. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who, other than MMY, was teaching TM in 1962? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I find it real peculiar that with the Householders Mantras, people try to live in celebacy and be a recluse. It does not make sense to me. If you meditate with a Householders Mantra, then you should be very active in society, otherwise it will cause stress. In the earlier days young people were practising Transcendental Meditation for hours, dreaming of some life as a recluse in Himalayas. I knew some of them - and some got very heavy mental problems and some did suicide. We were not told the difference between Householders Mantras and Mantras given for recluse life. The fact is that we were not told anything at all. In 1962, I got the Mantra one day, and the teacher checked the mantra the day after and then left. The next time I saw her, was 20 years after. But most of us continued to meditate. That was the days where we were allowed to practice long meditations - .I once meditated in 12 hours - and came out quite dizzy, it was rather dangerous. So in the beginning of the Movement it seems that MMY and we were learning by doing. The strongest survived. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Llundrub wrote: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques on 6/20/05 10:05 AM, Llundrub at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, just OM! So I wonder whether meditating on OM by itself might make one a recluse while meditating with a longer mantra that contains OM might not, as my friend suggested in the comment I posted here yesterday. I have a basic problem with these generalizations based on heresay. For the basic reason that when I used to do TM at MIU I wanted to be a recluse and escape from all the cares of the world, and that was using my non-OM mantra. So I can only imagine if what Maharishi says about OM is true that I would have probably wanted to run screaming from samsara. Moreover, my desires had no support at MIU and I was miserable. So I ask, what is the real difference? My experience, which I consider to be the only important thing in the world, confirms for me that the mantras which I have used since TM, most of which contain OM as a part are extremely effective in very vaulable ways, and they have only bettered my life. When I used to do Mahalakshmi Sadhana I used two main mantras which together are: Om shrim klim mahalakshmiyei namaha Om shrim hrim shrim kamala kamalalayei praseed praseed shrim hrim shrim om mahalakshmiyei namaha. Many Oms, I had much benefit from doing this 250,000 times. snip If you have a guru mantra then the amount of repetitions required to attain mantra siddhi are significantly reduced. It's also interesting to note that the secret mantras are often much shorter. :) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Second Course in Yoga Asanas
I have: A Six Month Course in Yoga Asanas, recommanded by MMY, published 1962, but I have not a scanner. I could send it to you, if you send me your address to my private e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was going thru some old papers and found an old SRM book I have entitled _Second Course of One Year in Yoga Asanas_ by MMY. Does anyone have a copy of the first part they could scan? I'd be glad to trade. I thought this might be a good place to ask! -Vaj To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Scientology's ethics of Fair Game
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
But if one stands on a boulder then the elephant can lift it and one can push their dick in it and it can run up a hill. See, all things work out in the end. - Original Message - From: lurkernomore20002000 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 11:25 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" [EMAIL PROTECTED]... wrote:snipI was just playing Bob. To tell you to shut up is like trying to lift a boulder and stand on it at the same time. This could even be harder than pushing an elephant up a hill with your dick.lurk - Original Message - From: bbrigante To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 9:49 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're like a freaking 45 single. One track one track. We just don't mind. http://www.trancenet.org/secrets/checking/checking3.shtml To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: CC is Baby Awakening
To use such phrases in speech while simultaneously cursing proves that speech has risen to the level of Sat Yuga. Or maybe not? I remeber when maybe doing something someone didn't like at the Capital, whereever that may have been, that mere inflection was the key to knowing you had been a bad boy. "Would Maharishi have taken a walk after midnight? Or sucked Jennifer's hairy nipples? OK, then. Perhaps more on the program now, yes. Perfect." - Original Message - From: akasha_108 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 11:55 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: CC is "Baby Awakening" --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED]... wrote: Imagine if everything we said was proceeded by such florid rhetoric? What a hoot! Oh infinite one, bejeweled with the wisdom of the three worlds, brandishing the trident of boundless Shiva and the mace of Cosmic Vishnu, please pass the salt. You have to admit, it'd make for entertaining flame wars. :-) UncOh, boundless as the sky Peter-ji, saint among saints, thou speakethwith infitinte insight and wisdom, even with the trident of shivapiercing your most holy rear orifice and your words from that holyalter, perfumed with an earthy fragrance that connects you to allprogeny of Manu, it is with honor and humility that we witness youhumble yourself before the most humble of men, acting as they do, in amost auspicious and dramatic enactment of folly as if under infinitelayers of maya, your service and humility is an inspiration for usall, taking the bodhisattva vow, you pretend to assume the veil ofingornace and act as deeply foolish as a neanderthal, to show us allthat the divine lives in even the lowest of creatures. To thee, theblazing brahman of neanderthal-loka, we give our vast praise andlaudations. To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Keith Jarrett's Radiance
He doesn't. Every note is improvised. It's a lessonin trust -- in oneself, in the universe, and in theessentially harmonic nature of that universe -- thathas to be experienced to be believed.Unc-When one opens entirely to the moment then it's as if the entire cosmos from peak to trough all stop to listen and watch. It is very fuun to open entirely up to expand to encompass everything and then act. One finds people are much more accomadating, and the feeling of inspiration suffuses even the most mundane of experiences. In fact, people sense divinity, and divinity is no farther than here and now if one opens to it. One day, as an experiment I had a job interview and I just drove in the general direction without knowing where I was going exactly. I just leaned back and put my mind on hold and just enjoyed the trip. Of course I got lost, I spent a long time. I had to pee. I needed gas. Then I was late. I stopped three times for directions. But because my explicit purpose was to merely just to be, as I engaged people in giving me directions and so on I captured their minds somehow, and they responded without knowing why. I had created a sort of apostle-like divinity on the move experience and people wanted to be a part of it. everyone wants to feel like they're 'in.' If one is entirely content and at peace then people gather around. It's a given. Sometimes it's all about just making connections and causes. For liberation of others. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] A Sense of Sangha (was Re: balancing techniques)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...he got some mental problems and because of that, the Purusha board wanted to sent him away. Yeah, that's how a civilized ideal society reacts to someone developing mental problems, all right. Don't provide any real help for the person, send them away so that they aren't an embarrassment to the movement. Just following up, and hoping to temper my comments somewhat, what this sad story brings out in me is a sense of profound sadness at the memories it brings up in me of my time in the TM movement, and in another spiritual trip. It's been 25 years or more since I had any real physical contact with the TMO, and 8 years or so since I had much contact with anyone from the Rama trip. But both organizations had something in common, something *lacking*, that I've become aware of in the time since. The thing that was lacking was a sense of sangha -- community. I'm rapping about it here to see if those who have lived in Fairfield can shed a different, possibly more positive light on the subject. For me, in the fourteen years I was involved in the TM community, it rarely struck me as being that much of a community. There was shared knowledge, and shared techniques, and a shared lifestyle, and a shared goal -- enlightenment. With all those things going for it, it should have logically been an environment in which people cared about each other deeply, and were there to help one another if they got into a spot of emotional trouble. But it really wasn't like that, in my experience. It was more like one's fellow seekers were nice to have around as long as they were on the program. The program was more important than the people following the program. Go slightly off the program, and one learned *very* quickly just where one stood within the sangha. If you expressed a few doubts, it started with shunning, and could progress to apostasy and excommunication if you didn't keep your mouth shut. Start to develop some emotional problems, and there was rarely anyone you could turn to. Not just no one to turn to for help -- how many of us, after all, were trained *to* help in such situations, but even to *talk* to. It was as if the people who had such problems ran into the we don't focus on negativity wall of silence. When the behavior or the doubts reached the point of excommunication, the apostates almost overnight became ex. They were forgotten; it was if they had never existed. It was embarrassing to think about them, because to think about them poked holes in the oh-so-carefully-constructed myth, so no one ever did. In retrospect, it was just the weirdest thing. And it wasn't just TM. Please don't interpret this as a dump on TM alone rap. I saw *exactly* the same pattern in the Rama trip. And I've encountered it in other spiritual organizations since. But I've also encountered the opposite, organizations that embody a true sense of sangha, communities that care very deeply about its members, and are there for them if they get into trouble. It's a wonderful thing to see and feel and be around. In such communities, the myth of what the community is about is never more important than the reality of what the community is about. There is rarely an attempt to hide behavior that is considered off the program or embarrassing. There is almost never an attempt to shun or stigmatize someone because they have a few doubts; in many of these organizations, doubt is seen as an important part of the spiritual process, something that *everyone* goes through along the Way. There is also rarely an attempt to hide behavior that is considered embarras- sing, because there is no all-pervading image that could be embarrassed. So I guess I'm just asking how people at FFL feel about this issue. Was your experience in the TM community like mine, or, as is likely, did the experience of living in a physical community (like Fairfield) bring real elements of community to the community? Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But if one stands on a boulder then the elephant can lift it and one can push their dick in it and it can run up a hill. See, all things work out in the end. Yup. It's just a question of putting your mind to the tusk. Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry from my side, too. I understand about the German-to- English thing. Okay. What I was reacting to was a general attitude taken so for granted (possibly not in you but in the people there in that hotel, in that place and time) that no one sees anything questionable about certain ways of looking at this sad, sad situation. For example: ...he got some mental problems and because of that, the Purusha board wanted to sent him away. Yeah, that's how a civilized ideal society reacts to someone developing mental problems, all right. Don't provide any real help for the person, send them away so that they aren't an embarrassment to the movement. I guess it's not so easy Barry. When a person develops a psychosis, I am not sure about the actual diagnosis, they obviously need some grounding. Purusha is like a intense rounding course. We had doctors who really cared about these people, and put them off rounding etc. For example I once had to take care of another person with a similar problem, to get him grounded, that is see that we he works, is active, and have an eye on him. But the person was very spaced out, it was difficult to do. Sure, the movement could have done more, have put him at a different place, which was more of a working situation than Purusha. But some simply needed medication. I have no idea about rehabilitation, but I think its not so easy. Strangely enough, I heard that the German doctor who was in charge, developed himself sympthons, but of course as a doctor he had some insight himself. He was moved to Seelisberg, were there was a less intrense atmosphere at the time, and I heard he sort of got balanced. I don't know exactly because it happened after I had left. People with mental problems are usually put away from the higher storeys, because the administration was afraid people would jump out of the window. So they put him into a room at the basement. My grandmother also suffered mental problems, in the American South, during the 30s. Her husband, ashamed that anyone associated with his family might be crazy, had her locked away in one of those snake-pit insane asylums for forty years, and told my mother and her brother that she had died. The idea again was to put the embarrassment out of sight, not to help the person in any way. Sten was certainly not looked away. He has lived in the basement, but so have lived others there. There were ordinary rooms there. I think that before they decided to send him away, they tried to care about him here, but they didn't inform everybody. It's the Sem story again. The people in charge are more concerned with tarnishing the image of the fantasy they live in than they are in any compassionate caring for someone who is having problems. And they find it difficult to conceive of the fact that anyone *in* such an ideal society *could* be having problems. Everybody knew that people had such problems, this was never hidden. Like with the other friend I told you about, who's buddy I became for that very reason. I don't know why they kept the suicide secret. Maybe they wanted to preserve his memory, or they didn't want people to get shocked, you know on high rounding. I think they should have informed us, but everybody knew anyway. Btw. Sten was liked by everybody. Everybody was involved, because in the morning, at 7 am, the alarm was ringing, and everybody was asked to come to the flying hall, no exception. People had to make sure there was full attendance, there is the group-structure, the groupleaders had to make sure everybody was there. Nobody knew what was going on. They were making a count. Then it was rumoured that there was a fire in the basement in the night. All this was for identification, and to make sure no one else was missing. Then at the end of it we were told about the tragic accident, and that our friend Sten had died. So they stick the guy in a basement room full of old stinky mattresses for his own good, until they can send him away and make him someone else's problem. Yeah, but he wasn't looked away. I knew people that liked to be in the basement, who liked the cavelike atmosphere. As I said it was not to lock him away, but a vain attempt to prevent what actually happened. I'm sorry, but compassion this is not. Caring this is not. Officially it was only an accident... Officially, it would have been deemed neglect, possibly criminal neglect, in some countries. Stens death was sad, but I don't look down on him in any way. No comment. Just the fact that someone could even *conceive* of looking down on Sten for his actions says it all. Bad wording from my side. AFAIK everyone liked Sten. Peter Warburthon was saying that he prepared for us the rooms in heaven. I was just trying to point out that what you insinuate was *not* the case. I'm sorry...it may well
[FairfieldLife] Re1: OverWhelming Evidence for Evolution
Original Message Thanks Jason. I'll add it to the "to do" list rightafter oral surgery.Peter Sutphen" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Who fucking cares Jason. Was that the evolution based on the six billion Earth years model or the fifteen billion? Llundrub" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kirk, I'd knew you'd give the straight from the horsesmouth answer. I had to screw around with him and be awise guy -Peter p.s. I think it's the 15 billion model. Peter Sutphen" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hari Om, Geological evidence gives a high probablity for the 4.5 billion-year model. Do you know experts who advocate the 15 billion-year old model.?? http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/ce/4/part2.html Jason -- Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Keith Jarrett's Radiance
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He doesn't. Every note is improvised. It's a lesson in trust -- in oneself, in the universe, and in the essentially harmonic nature of that universe -- that has to be experienced to be believed. Unc -When one opens entirely to the moment then it's as if the entire cosmos from peak to trough all stop to listen and watch. It is very fuun to open entirely up to expand to encompass everything and then act. One finds people are much more accomadating, and the feeling of inspiration suffuses even the most mundane of experiences. In fact, people sense divinity, and divinity is no farther than here and now if one opens to it. Well said. One day, as an experiment I had a job interview and I just drove in the general direction without knowing where I was going exactly. I just leaned back and put my mind on hold and just enjoyed the trip. Of course I got lost, I spent a long time. I had to pee. I needed gas. Then I was late. I stopped three times for directions. But because my explicit purpose was to merely just to be, as I engaged people in giving me directions and so on I captured their minds somehow, and they responded without knowing why. I had created a sort of apostle-like divinity on the move experience and people wanted to be a part of it. everyone wants to feel like they're 'in.' If one is entirely content and at peace then people gather around. It's a given. Sometimes it's all about just making connections and causes. For liberation of others. Road Trip Mind. Or, as Lao-tzu put it: A good traveler has no fixed plans and is not intent upon arriving To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Relative
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Irmeli: On the experiential level I feel to be all the time connected to the infinite. But I don't have much else to say about it than it is transcendental to my understanding. Llundrub:-You're not connected to it. It is you. Without it you would have nothing to make connections with. Irmeli: My relative mind is an expression of the absolute. It is not the absolute. Everything I perceive through this nervous system is relative. And that is very fascinating. In my relative perception the highest possible stage of consciousness I can be aware of is deep ignorance in comparison to something much higher I cannot even imagine. llundrub:---That is mere ignorance. The awareness would be the same regardless of whether it was more or less aware of ignorance. It doesn't change. Consciousness is clarity, or there would be no relative change because there would be no space for it. Irmeli: With this I disagree. It is theoretical nonsense. How much and what what the organizing I is aware of makes a lot of difference to how I navigate through my life. Compare yourself with a amoeba. There is lot of differences in awareness and accordingly also in lifestyle. Irmeli: In the relative world everything is in relation to everything else. But in order to perceive this relativity you must perceive something as other, as an object. Llundrub:--Yes, in order to get the co-dependency of relative phenomenon one must see their nature as being empty of the phenomena or else one would be caught up in it and not see the forest for the trees. Irmeli:The relative is phenomena,not empty. But it is crucial to disidentify the Self from the changing phenomenal world and perceive it grounded in the infinity or absolute. Irmeli: A baby for whom everything is still subject lives in an undifferentiated unity, there are no relations to anything, only oneness. In order to be capable to relate to something, it has to get separated from the embeddedness in the I. When something is still in the I, you cannot clearly perceive that function or work with it, instead it runs you. LLundrub:---The mere modern Jungian psychotherapy of individuation. Life however doesn't mean that one will always be at odds. This somehow is the key to being able to work through it though Irmeli. One must be able to abstract the basic nature of relative phenomenon in order to adjust to it. One needed live in the babyish instant desire fulfillment or tears sort of psycho-noumena, but instead, if one understands the harsh reality of the relative then one can build a nest, as it were, in that tree and find shelter in it. Irmeli: I have no idea what you are trying to say here. English being my third language, I would appreciate clear and simple expressions. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I knew it was bad wording, but it was late, and I just had no idea how else to describe my feeling better. By many suicide is seen as a sin, or some kind bad karmic action. I just wanted to express that we, the people I knew didn't have these feelings about him. Well explained. Thanks. I really didn't mean to be blasting you personally; it's just that the whole situation is so unbelievably *sad*, and for me has such sad implications for the mindset of the organization in which it happened, that I was somewhat shocked by the almost normal, every- day manner in which you described the situation. I realize now that it was simply an issue of language. I'd probably unwittingly do the same thing if I tried to express myself in my as-yet- far-from-perfect French. I *know* that it wasn't your intention. It just pushed some of the same buttons in me that got pushed when I worked at National and would hear people talking about the latest person who'd committed suicide while on a TM course. The concern was always how to downplay the story and make it go away. The very possibility that these suicides (and there were quite a few more of them than you might imagine) might have some- thing to do with the program itself was never addressed. That was simply unthinkable. TM is 100% life-supporting. There couldn't possibly BE a connection. For me, as I suggested in a followup post, the issue is about myth. The myth of the ideal society brought about by TM was for these people far more important than the reality of the every- day society of TMers they lived in. If there was a conflict between the myth and the reality, it was always assumed that something was wrong with one's perception of the reality, because the myth couldn't possibly be wrong. Weird, now that I look back on it. But at the time, I occasionally felt the same way, so I can try to be compassionate when dealing with others who still think this way, because I thought that way once, too. The shadows one encounters on a pathway to light, eh man? Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Relative
Maybe this has come up before in FFL, but if upon enlightenment there is consciousness (transcendental) and relative experience, and the consciousness is infinite value and experience point value, I find it odd that the two remain correlated via the ONE body. Take an actor having overall awareness (infinite value) and he acts three characters in a play (point value). Speaking as each character in turn he operates within the limitations their respective egos - but as the only reality the actor knows exactly what these egos perceive and can or cannot say or do. Whereas, returning to Consciousness, in the case of someone claiming enlightenment, there seems to be only knowledge of the one body and ego that existed prior to enlightenment. Is such enlightenment still relative then, and is there another more profound level to reach in which truly one would experience everything as the Self, this Self being truly INTIMATELY cognissant of the egos and bodies of ALL creatures? Because only THEN it becomes possible to love one's neighbour as one's Self AND have the sense that a wrong done to another is truly a wrong done to one's self as well. In other words, stage 1 enlightenment is the expansion of point to infinity; stage 2, the linking back of infinity to ALL relative points, enabling the original point to know all other points intimately, directly.. Does this tally with any scripture, I wonder. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Irmeli: On the experiential level I feel to be all the time connected to the infinite. But I don't have much else to say about it than it is transcendental to my understanding. Llundrub:-You're not connected to it. It is you. Without it you would have nothing to make connections with. Irmeli: My relative mind is an expression of the absolute. It is not the absolute. Everything I perceive through this nervous system is relative. And that is very fascinating. In my relative perception the highest possible stage of consciousness I can be aware of is deep ignorance in comparison to something much higher I cannot even imagine. llundrub:---That is mere ignorance. The awareness would be the same regardless of whether it was more or less aware of ignorance. It doesn't change. Consciousness is clarity, or there would be no relative change because there would be no space for it. Irmeli: With this I disagree. It is theoretical nonsense. How much and what what the organizing I is aware of makes a lot of difference to how I navigate through my life. Compare yourself with a amoeba. There is lot of differences in awareness and accordingly also in lifestyle. Irmeli: In the relative world everything is in relation to everything else. But in order to perceive this relativity you must perceive something as other, as an object. Llundrub:--Yes, in order to get the co-dependency of relative phenomenon one must see their nature as being empty of the phenomena or else one would be caught up in it and not see the forest for the trees. Irmeli:The relative is phenomena,not empty. But it is crucial to disidentify the Self from the changing phenomenal world and perceive it grounded in the infinity or absolute. Irmeli: A baby for whom everything is still subject lives in an undifferentiated unity, there are no relations to anything, only oneness. In order to be capable to relate to something, it has to get separated from the embeddedness in the I. When something is still in the I, you cannot clearly perceive that function or work with it, instead it runs you. LLundrub:---The mere modern Jungian psychotherapy of individuation. Life however doesn't mean that one will always be at odds. This somehow is the key to being able to work through it though Irmeli. One must be able to abstract the basic nature of relative phenomenon in order to adjust to it. One needed live in the babyish instant desire fulfillment or tears sort of psycho-noumena, but instead, if one understands the harsh reality of the relative then one can build a nest, as it were, in that tree and find shelter in it. Irmeli: I have no idea what you are trying to say here. English being my third language, I would appreciate clear and simple expressions. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] suicides (was balancing techniques)
I agree the way TMO handled people having breakdowns and who killed themselves was appalling - little compassion and even less professionalism - but BECAUSE wanting to keep scandals out of view. But I remember how odd it was that MMY, when first in San Francisco, was unaware or unaffected by the suicide that took place whilst he was a guest in the family that housed him, as a guest. Doesn't show much sensitivity or psychological insight. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I knew it was bad wording, but it was late, and I just had no idea how else to describe my feeling better. By many suicide is seen as a sin, or some kind bad karmic action. I just wanted to express that we, the people I knew didn't have these feelings about him. Well explained. Thanks. I really didn't mean to be blasting you personally; it's just that the whole situation is so unbelievably *sad*, and for me has such sad implications for the mindset of the organization in which it happened, that I was somewhat shocked by the almost normal, every- day manner in which you described the situation. I realize now that it was simply an issue of language. I'd probably unwittingly do the same thing if I tried to express myself in my as-yet- far-from-perfect French. I *know* that it wasn't your intention. It just pushed some of the same buttons in me that got pushed when I worked at National and would hear people talking about the latest person who'd committed suicide while on a TM course. The concern was always how to downplay the story and make it go away. The very possibility that these suicides (and there were quite a few more of them than you might imagine) might have some- thing to do with the program itself was never addressed. That was simply unthinkable. TM is 100% life-supporting. There couldn't possibly BE a connection. For me, as I suggested in a followup post, the issue is about myth. The myth of the ideal society brought about by TM was for these people far more important than the reality of the every- day society of TMers they lived in. If there was a conflict between the myth and the reality, it was always assumed that something was wrong with one's perception of the reality, because the myth couldn't possibly be wrong. Weird, now that I look back on it. But at the time, I occasionally felt the same way, so I can try to be compassionate when dealing with others who still think this way, because I thought that way once, too. The shadows one encounters on a pathway to light, eh man? Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] A Sense of Sangha (was Re: balancing techniques)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's been 25 years or more since I had any real physical contact with the TMO, and 8 years or so since I had much contact with anyone from the Rama trip. 16 years for me. But both organizations had something in common, something *lacking*, that I've become aware of in the time since. The thing that was lacking was a sense of sangha -- community. I'm rapping about it here to see if those who have lived in Fairfield can shed a different, possibly more positive light on the subject. For me, in the fourteen years I was involved in the TM community, it rarely struck me as being that much of a community. There was shared knowledge, and shared techniques, and a shared lifestyle, and a shared goal -- enlightenment. With all those things going for it, it should have logically been an environment in which people cared about each other deeply, and were there to help one another if they got into a spot of emotional trouble. Most of the time in the movement I was sort of on an island within the movement, agroup between 10 to max. 30 people, who were sworn together, and that was the Meru Press. I really loved that place, even though it was challenging at times. Challenging because we worked harder, it was a press, and there were these infamous rush jobs. So really, we were a group, a sangha. So those people who stayed in it, who weren't just passing through cared about each other, and we were talking freely about everything with friends. Many people were talking about their doubts openly, many left and came back later on. On Purusha I found a similar situation with acertain group of people which was self-selected, that is the people whom you liked to hang out with. That was not necessarily your official group. When I left, that is, I had to leave - it was ultimately decided by Maharishi himself - as I had but this enquiry where I belonged to before him - I was already deeply committed to Mother Meera - so, when I had to leave, I wanted to do it quickly, without big notice and without talking to everybody. Some of my friends had got wind of it, and visited me in the evening. Some even expressed their admiration. One said he felt the atmosphere of love in my room. All of my friends expressed their symphathy for me, some gifted presents. Sure, there were others I didn't have much contact with, who might have looked down on me, who had what you call the cult-mindset. Yet even with those, nobody thought that I had gone off evolution, they simply thought that when on Purusha, one shouldn't be involved with another saint, and they had their own preference for Maharishi. I still have occassional contact with some of the Purushas, many ex by now, but some still on. For example I met up with one of them at the Kumbha Mela 2001. But it really wasn't like that, in my experience. It was more like one's fellow seekers were nice to have around as long as they were on the program. The program was more important than the people following the program. Go slightly off the program, and one learned *very* quickly just where one stood within the sangha. If you expressed a few doubts, it started with shunning, and could progress to apostasy and excommunication if you didn't keep your mouth shut. Certainly it was not liked people to be critical, but honestly there wasn't much control about it. I knew people who were constantly cynical about things. Yet,I must say, one time, there was this 'clear up', which came from Maharishi directly via international call, where he asked people to 'report' people who spread 'negativity' - you know the infamous CIA talk again. This was the most weird experience I had on Purusha, but it wasn't typical at all. It was exactly the same situation that tempted me to come up with my own 'inquiry' about were I belonged to. I wrote 2 letters to the administration, from which were in excerpts later read to Maharishi, which finally led to my dismissal. This situation was certainly cult-like, extremely, but up until then, - in practise - it wasn't. The whole thing lasted for about 2 month, and one of my friends, got the most 'negative' votes (for being negative.) These people were then put off the group programme, the last week or so. This was my last week on Purusha. There were about ten people in this group, I being one of them, but not for 'negative' comments, but because of the situation I had brought up from my own side. During this time, I found much symphathy from the administration, and of course from my friends. Incidenty, this period was spiritually the most intense I had ever experienced up until then, because I was suddenly 'overshadowed' by the most sweet and intimate Divine presence I had ever encountered . I didn't do anything for it, I didn't make any decission myself (I could have at any point said that I had decided for MMY and wouldn't see MM anymore, or i could have simply left
[FairfieldLife] A Sense of Sangha (was Re: balancing techniques)
Thanks for your stories, Trin. As you said, similar to mine in some way, very different in others. Selected comments: When the behavior or the doubts reached the point of excommunication, the apostates almost overnight became ex. Certainly not over night. The special purge I described was a one-time event, a very shocking one I must agree. Icky to the max. It was ceratinly more of a shock tactics from the side of Maharishi. He even phoned when we were in the middle of the flying program to get it started. But in the end everybody got rehabilitated. And in my own situation, I realize it was ultimately the right decission for me. Certainly sounds like it to me. They were forgotten; it was if they had never existed. Rubbish. many letters, phonecalls etc. A year after the whole event, I got a letter from my Purusha friend saying that Maharishi would need Purushas, and that I could come back, not withstanding that I was with MM already for one year. I just decided not to return. That was your experience. During my last year or so with the TM movement, still a State Coordinator, I was living in a small town with a few still active initiators and a few who had been declared off the program and forced to leave the movement. When I would be out walking with the still- active TM teachers, and they encountered one of the OTP types, they would literally cross the street to avoid talk- ing to them. Shocked the hell outa me. It was embarrassing to think about them, because to think about them poked holes in the oh-so-carefully-constructed myth, so no one ever did. In retrospect, it was just the weirdest thing. Rubbish. You sound as if you had a fortunate experience. My only point is that not everyone did. Some who left or who were forced out wound up in a situation more like I described above. And it wasn't just TM. Please don't interpret this as a dump on TM alone rap. I saw *exactly* the same pattern in the Rama trip. And I've encountered it in other spiritual organizations since. I understand that there was a tendency for this, it was certainly a sort of a dogma to 'not engage in negativity' And certain people ceratinly were like this. But mostly everbody was just human. And just trying to cope with living inside a big myth. So, really I don't share your feelings. With all the revelation I have just given. And that's just fine. That's why I asked. I was really curious as to people's different experiences. Still am. Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Relative
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, claudiouk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe this has come up before in FFL, but if upon enlightenment there is consciousness (transcendental) and relative experience, and the consciousness is infinite value and experience point value, I find it odd that the two remain correlated via the ONE body. Take an actor having overall awareness (infinite value) and he acts three characters in a play (point value). Speaking as each character in turn he operates within the limitations their respective egos - but as the only reality the actor knows exactly what these egos perceive and can or cannot say or do. Whereas, returning to Consciousness, in the case of someone claiming enlightenment, there seems to be only knowledge of the one body and ego that existed prior to enlightenment. Is such enlightenment still relative then, and is there another more profound level to reach in which truly one would experience everything as the Self, this Self being truly INTIMATELY cognissant of the egos and bodies of ALL creatures? Because only THEN it becomes possible to love one's neighbour as one's Self AND have the sense that a wrong done to another is truly a wrong done to one's self as well. In other words, stage 1 enlightenment is the expansion of point to infinity; stage 2, the linking back of infinity to ALL relative points, enabling the original point to know all other points intimately, directly.. Does this tally with any scripture, I wonder. My present understanding of the seemingly complicated phenomenon of consciousness evolution is strongly influenced by spiral dynamics. I also agree with the psychoanalytical understanding that when we use the term I, we actually can be referring to two rather different functions. First is the I that represent to us an image of ourselves, kind of who we are. Secondly there is an I as an integrating function of our experiencies to a holistic, stable experience of continuity of perceptions and understanding. When this function fails, we fall apart mentally. When people get enlightened or awakened the first I as an image of ourselves dissolves at least partly, and that I finds itself to be infinite. Then the trying to be somebody ceases, one kind of becomes nobody. And this makes it much easier to accept reality as it is. The fervent need to make it something else or becoming some ideal you have created of yourself ceases or is lesser. And you start to experience much stronger stability amidst the turmoil of life. You are kind of capable of witnessing it. Otherwise the second or organizing I remains pretty much the same. But the organizing I evolves also through clear different stages of awareness. Every child goes always through these stages in the same order. You cannot jump over any stage. This evolving of the organizing I can happen even in adulthood, even if it is much slower then. Also the different forms of intelligence, such as cognitive, emotional, moral, interpersonal etc can be at quite different stages in a person. E.g. you can be at high level cognitively, but low morally. And people can become enlightened having many kinds of combinations of stages of the organizing I in its different lines of intelligence. And how you interpret and describe your enlightenment experience depends largely, in addition to cultural influences, on the stages of organizing I you are in. The lower you are the more extravagant those interpretations tend to be. I think there are still a lot of inexperienced stages and possibilities ahead us in the evolution of the organizing I. In order to evolve to those higher stages I think the awakening of the first I to be a prerequisite. Irmeli To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] A Sense of Sangha (was Re: balancing techniques)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That was your experience. During my last year or so with the TM movement, still a State Coordinator, I was living in a small town with a few still active initiators and a few who had been declared off the program and forced to leave the movement. When I would be out walking with the still- active TM teachers, and they encountered one of the OTP types, they would literally cross the street to avoid talk- ing to them. Shocked the hell outa me. I understand. Maybe on Purursha there were all these old timers who have gone through a lot of stuff themselves. I found them to be a lot more tolerant and not-cultlike than some of the new teachers in the centers. For example P just came from the Phillipines, and most of them had been out to see healers. It was nothing special to them. You sound as if you had a fortunate experience. I really had. I do not want to miss my Purusha time. It did so much for me. Neither the time in Rhineweiler at the press, were I spent 7 yrs. I am a slow learner, but I really feel blessed my whole life. I met so many good friends who helped me experiencial wise, many dedicated people in the movement, some very independent very independet thinking. I had one friend who had turned into a pundit, he was virtually at a pundit school in India. He started to do everyday in the morning doing several Rudra Abisheks. He would sometimes invite us for participating in some yagyas. My only point is that not everyone did. Some who left or who were forced out wound up in a situation more like I described above. Sorry to hear. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Relative
On Jun 20, 2005, at 10:17 PM, Irmeli Mattsson wrote: Sometimes I wonder why I keep writing on these chat groups. People here are on the conceptual level very fascinated about the absolute. I'm not. I'm fascinated about the relative. All phenomena are preceded by the mind. When the mind is comprehended, all phenomena are comprehended. -Shakyamuni Buddha, Ratnameghasutra To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] A Sense of Sangha (was Re: balancing techniques)
Reality check 1234, 4321 OK Stop with the maudlin shit already. They're called movements for one reason really. Because they're the shit. When they're happening. When they're over, One can't wipe enough. - Original Message - From: TurquoiseB To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 3:52 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] A Sense of Sangha (was Re: balancing techniques) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED]... wrote: "...he got some mental problems and because of that, the Purusha board wanted to sent him away." Yeah, that's how a civilized "ideal society" reacts to someone developing mental problems, all right. Don't provide any real help for the person, send them away so that they aren't an embarrassment to the movement.Just following up, and hoping to temper my commentssomewhat, what this sad story brings out in me is asense of profound sadness at the memories it bringsup in me of my time in the TM movement, and in anotherspiritual trip. It's been 25 years or more since Ihad any real physical contact with the TMO, and 8 yearsor so since I had much contact with anyone from the Rama trip. But both organizations had something incommon, something *lacking*, that I've become awareof in the time since. The thing that was lacking wasa sense of sangha -- community.I'm rapping about it here to see if those who havelived in Fairfield can shed a different, possibly morepositive light on the subject. For me, in the fourteenyears I was involved in the TM community, it rarelystruck me as being that much of a community. Therewas shared knowledge, and shared techniques, and ashared lifestyle, and a shared goal -- enlightenment.With all those things going for it, it should havelogically been an environment in which people caredabout each other deeply, and were there to help oneanother if they got into a spot of emotional trouble.But it really wasn't like that, in my experience. Itwas more like one's fellow seekers were nice to havearound as long as they were "on the program." The"program" was more important than the people followingthe program.Go slightly "off" the program, and one learned *very*quickly just where one stood within the sangha. Ifyou expressed a few doubts, it started with shunning,and could progress to apostasy and excommunication ifyou didn't keep your mouth shut. Start to develop some emotional problems, and there was rarely anyoneyou could turn to. Not just no one to turn to forhelp -- how many of us, after all, were trained *to*help in such situations, but even to *talk* to. Itwas as if the people who had such problems ran intothe "we don't focus on negativity" wall of silence.When the behavior or the doubts reached the point of"excommunication," the apostates almost overnight became "ex." They were forgotten; it was if they had never existed. It was embarrassing to think aboutthem, because to think about them poked holes in theoh-so-carefully-constructed myth, so no one ever did.In retrospect, it was just the weirdest thing.And it wasn't just TM. Please don't interpret thisas a "dump on TM alone" rap. I saw *exactly* the samepattern in the Rama trip. And I've encountered it inother spiritual organizations since.But I've also encountered the opposite, organizationsthat embody a true sense of sangha, communities thatcare very deeply about its members, and are there forthem if they get into trouble. It's a wonderful thingto see and feel and be around. In such communities,the myth of what the community is about is never moreimportant than the reality of what the community isabout. There is rarely an attempt to hide behaviorthat is considered "off the program" or "embarrassing."There is almost never an attempt to shun or stigmatizesomeone because they have a few doubts; in many ofthese organizations, doubt is seen as an important partof the spiritual process, something that *everyone*goes through along the Way. There is also rarely anattempt to hide behavior that is considered "embarras-sing," because there is no all-pervading image that could be embarrassed.So I guess I'm just asking how people at FFL feel aboutthis issue. Was your experience in the TM communitylike mine, or, as is likely, did the experience of living in a physical community (like Fairfield) bringreal elements of "community" to the community?UncTo subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
Even now though you guys don't have a clue as to how to prevent such things from happening again in the Movement. - Original Message - From: t3rinity To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 4:01 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]...wrote: Sorry from my side, too. I understand about the German-to- English thing. Okay. What I was reacting to was a general attitude taken so for granted (possibly not in you but in the people there in \ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re1: OverWhelming Evidence for Evolution
- Original Message - From: Jason Daniel To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 4:06 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re1: OverWhelming Evidence for Evolution Original Message Thanks Jason. I'll add it to the "to do" list rightafter oral surgery.Peter Sutphen" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Who fucking cares Jason. Was that the evolution based on the six billion Earth years model or the fifteen billion? Llundrub" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kirk, I'd knew you'd give the straight from the horsesmouth answer. I had to screw around with him and be awise guy -Peter p.s. I think it's the 15 billion model. Peter Sutphen" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hari Om, Geological evidence gives a high probablity for the 4.5 billion-year model. Do you know experts who advocate the 15 billion-year old model.?? http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/ce/4/part2.html Just scientists that prefer a more sophisticated genesis. Jason -- Yahoo! SportsRekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Relative
llundrub:---That is mere ignorance. The awareness would be the sameregardless of whether it was more or less aware of ignorance. Itdoesn't change. Consciousness is clarity, or there would be norelative change because there would be no space for it.Irmeli: With this I disagree. It is theoretical nonsense. How much andwhat what the organizing "I" is aware of makes a lot of difference tohow I navigate through my life. Compare yourself with a amoeba. Thereis lot of differences in awareness and accordingly also in lifestyle. ---If the mind was red then everything would be shades of red, if it was angry then everything would be shades of angry. Because the mind is clear and empty one experiences the full range of everything. Irmeli: A baby for whom everything is still subject lives in an undifferentiated unity, there are no relations to anything, onlyoneness. In order to be capable to relate to something, it has to get separated from the embeddedness in the "I". When something is still in the "I", you cannot clearly perceive that function or work with it, instead it runs you. LLundrub:---The mere modern Jungian psychotherapy of individuation.Life however doesn't mean that one will always be at odds. Thissomehow is the key to being able to work through it though Irmeli. One must be able to abstract the basic nature of relative phenomenonin order to adjust to it. One needed live in the babyish instantdesire fulfillment or tears sort of psycho-noumena, but instead, ifone understands the harsh reality of the relative then one can build anest, as it were, in that tree and find shelter in it. Irmeli: I have no idea what you are trying to say here. English beingmy third language, I would appreciate clear and simple expressions. --In the Jungian model baby learns to indivduate so it goes from small and crying to having the ability to make its own desires come true. I extrapolate further, outside of the Jungian model and say that if baby needs to individuate still further and accept that nothing will ever work out as planned and then actuallly one has a true ground to walk upon. To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is your computer slowing up a bit?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Screw Norton, it's top heavy and completely sucks. Zone Alarm is better all the way around. Much simpler, infinitely smaller. Norton places like ten things in start-up and will screw your computer as much as it helps it. For defragmentation nothing is as quick as VOPT. Executive Disckeeper is a close 2nd. Windows defrag is like doing garbage disposal with a mezza luna ...but its there, waiting to be asked, like a dutiful wife. Uns. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is your computer slowing up a bit?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tried it, and I think something good happened with my PC, it runs much faster. Thank you. Ingegerd Samma här! Jaya Gooroo Uns! :) I thought that I spoke fluent Spoldovian. This must be a southern dialect; effectively Estuary Spoldovian. Uns. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Relative
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 20, 2005, at 10:17 PM, Irmeli Mattsson wrote: Sometimes I wonder why I keep writing on these chat groups. People here are on the conceptual level very fascinated about the absolute. I'm not. I'm fascinated about the relative. All phenomena are preceded by the mind. When the mind is comprehended, all phenomena are comprehended. -Shakyamuni Buddha, Ratnameghasutra And what happens when the manasmayakosha is pierced/burned? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] A Sense of Sangha (was Re: balancing techniques)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Reality check 1234, 4321 OK Stop with the maudlin shit already. They're called movements for one reason really. Because they're the shit. When they're happening. When they're over, One can't wipe enough. Can't not agree with that one. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Keith Jarrett's Radiance
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He doesn't. Every note is improvised. It's a lesson in trust -- in oneself, in the universe, and in the essentially harmonic nature of that universe -- that has to be experienced to be believed. Unc -When one opens entirely to the moment then it's as if the entire cosmos from peak to trough all stop to listen and watch. It is very fuun to open entirely up to expand to encompass everything and then act. One finds people are much more accomadating, and the feeling of inspiration suffuses even the most mundane of experiences. In fact, people sense divinity, and divinity is no farther than here and now if one opens to it. Well said. One day, as an experiment I had a job interview and I just drove in the general direction without knowing where I was going exactly. I just leaned back and put my mind on hold and just enjoyed the trip. Of course I got lost, I spent a long time. I had to pee. I needed gas. Then I was late. I stopped three times for directions. But because my explicit purpose was to merely just to be, as I engaged people in giving me directions and so on I captured their minds somehow, and they responded without knowing why. I had created a sort of apostle-like divinity on the move experience and people wanted to be a part of it. everyone wants to feel like they're 'in.' If one is entirely content and at peace then people gather around. It's a given. Sometimes it's all about just making connections and causes. For liberation of others. Road Trip Mind. Or, as Lao-tzu put it: A good traveler has no fixed plans and is not intent upon arriving ...which reminds me of the TMO's global marketing strategy for TM, for some odd reason. Uns. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
on 6/21/05 12:02 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My grandmother also suffered mental problems, in the American South, during the 30s. Her husband, ashamed that anyone associated with his family might be crazy, had her locked away in one of those snake-pit insane asylums for forty years, and told my mother and her brother that she had died. The idea again was to put the embarrassment out of sight, not to help the person in any way. Two stories regarding suicide and mental illness: My mother was in and out of mental hospitals throughout most of my teenage years and early 20's and tried to commit suicide three times - nearly succeeding. When I became a TM teacher, I began to ask Maharishi what I could do about the situation. He would always go inward when I asked this. I didn't get the impression he was avoiding the question. I got the impression we was checking it out and doing a sankalpa for me (making a resolve to help on a subtle level). Finally, in 1974 when I was on International Staff, my mother was in an out of the hospital phase and expressed the desire to join me in Switzerland. I asked Maharishi if she could and he readily agreed. I feel to this day that that was very kind and generous of him. I wasn't paying my way, and nor could she, nor did he expect her to be a very useful member of staff. He just was rewarding me for my service and in essence, volunteering to help my mother. Which he did. Her first comment after she met him was, He looks right into your soul! She stayed 9 months and underwent a huge transformation. Never went back to serious mental illness, although she got a bit kooky in her final years. She became a siddha and completed Phase I of TTC. 2nd story: During my stint on International Staff, a girl jumped naked off her balcony in her ATR hotel in Brünnen, during an argument with her boyfriend. She died instantly. I was sent down to do damage control - to talk to the staff, who were rather shaken up, but also with instructions to advise them to keep the situation quiet. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Recert News
on 6/21/05 12:20 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your friend is very stupid. Why go to a relatively expensive school with a relatively rotten reputation if you're not interested in the one thing that sets it apart from other schools? I think his guru - Sai Baba - told him to go there. He's back in India now. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Keith Jarrett's Radiance
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Road Trip Mind. Or, as Lao-tzu put it: A good traveler has no fixed plans and is not intent upon arriving ...which reminds me of the TMO's global marketing strategy for TM, for some odd reason. That's the thing we've all been missing. It's not really Hinduism at all, but Taoism... :-) Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is your computer slowing up a bit?
Never met a dutiful wife. I uninstalled Norton and removed every trace and was a better man for it. - Original Message - From: uns_tressor To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 8:35 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is your computer slowing up a bit? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" [EMAIL PROTECTED]... wrote: Screw Norton, it's top heavy and completely sucks. Zone Alarm is better all the way around. Much simpler, infinitely smaller. Norton places like ten things in start-up and will screw your computer as much as it helps it. For defragmentation nothing is as quick as VOPT. Executive Disckeeper is a close 2nd. Windows defrag is like doing garbage disposal with a mezza luna...but its there, waiting to be asked, like a dutiful wife.Uns.To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Relative
-Shakyamuni Buddha, RatnameghasutraAnd what happens when the manasmayakosha is pierced/burned?-Then people stop asking dumb questions and acting like smart asses. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Mars Beeja Mantra
Title: Mars Beeja Mantra Tuesday is Mars day. The association is closer in French, Mardi. In sanskrit mars is called kuja or mangal. If your rising sign is aries (mesha) or Scorpio (vrishchik) this mantra will be good to do every year on your birthday. Or if you are in a mars cycle or a bad mars transit. Mangal Beeja Mantra to be repeated 7,000 times this is a Muruga, Hyagriva or Narasimha mantra Om Aim Hsoum Sreem Draam Kam Grahaatipataayai Bhaumaya Swaahaa To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Relative
On Jun 21, 2005, at 9:45 AM, akasha_108 wrote: All phenomena are preceded by the mind. When the mind is comprehended, all phenomena are comprehended. -Shakyamuni Buddha, Ratnameghasutra And what happens when the manasmayakosha is pierced/burned? You would no longer be conditioned by ordinary mind. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] A Sense of Sangha (was Re: balancing techniques)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, I don't understand you Kirk. Better care about your own reality. I am not too interested. Reality check 1234, 4321 OK Stop with the maudlin shit already. They're called movements for one reason really. Because they're the shit. When they're happening. When they're over, One can't wipe enough. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Welcome to the Spraing List
Catechism, pure and simple. A prepared answer for every conceivable question... Unc When I was on the MA in Education program (w/ Mr Archer) we had to do a presentation as a final exercise at the end of the semester. I was doing something on SCI and teaching H.S. social studies (which was my future plan at the time). As I was working on it, I had a realization. Susie Levin Dillbeck would solicit feedback from the class and write everything on the board until we finally reached a consensus. I felt like she kind of steered the outcome, but that was the approach she used. I organized my presentation in to two parts. I typed the information on a piece of paper with the first part on the first half and the bottom was for the 2nd part. I folded the paper so you could only read the first half and distributed it to each class member with the instruction not to look at the 2nd half until the 1st part was over. I then posed a question and solicited answers, writing each one on the board. I let the class arrive at their consensus. Then I had them fold down the 2nd half of the paper. Sandy Nidich (instructor) became vocally flabbergasted. Why? Because the 2nd part of the exercise was contingent upon that exact outcome from the first part. Any other outcome and my presentation would have been totally down the drain. My realization? Per the catechism (I was brought up Catholic and was the catechism wiz as a kid) analogy, I knew where my unguided inquiry would wind up. It was quite a victory. Sandy wanted me to present to the faculty. He went on and on. After it was over the whole experience seemed hollow to me. I felt more like a magician than an instructor. I never completed that MA. Jeff To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] A Sense of Sangha (was Re: balancing techniques)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Posting 3rd hand accounts or leaving a web site on a post with no commentary or personal experience to back it up, I don't see as helpful. I thought this was about sharing our experiences so we can each individually achieve a higher truth. I don't mind someone disagreeing with my views if it's based on their experiences. Jeff I don't know Jeff. We can't have direct experience with everything. Sometimes we need to rely on others' accounts of things. And do our best to balance out their personal biases and filters (as well as our own.) One reason I dont't have much personal experience with Scientology is that over three decades I have heard numerous accounts of things such as Fair Game, enemies lists, etc. Why can't these things be discussed? Its the same with many orgs -- I can't have first hand experience with all, so I rely on some second hand accounts. Indeed FFL has had a wealth of good postings and archive on strengths and percieved weaknesses of various orgs, including the TMO. Thats not to say every post, article or website should be taken at face value. Scrutiny, common sense, the credibility of the source, analysis, skepticism are all good things in this realm. Dismissing everything but personal accounts seems quite limiting and declarations of such may be a tactic to hide things. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
Rick, I always liked your mom. Even as I write this I can see and hear her. She had an unusual voice! She always spoke so proudly of you and Carol. --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip My mother was in and out of mental hospitals throughout most of my teenage years and early 20's and tried to commit suicide three times - nearly succeeding. When I became a TM teacher, I began to ask Maharishi what I could do about the situation. He would always go inward when I asked this. I didn't get the impression he was avoiding the question. I got the impression we was checking it out and doing a sankalpa for me (making a resolve to help on a subtle level). Finally, in 1974 when I was on International Staff, my mother was in an out of the hospital phase and expressed the desire to join me in Switzerland. I asked Maharishi if she could and he readily agreed. I feel to this day that that was very kind and generous of him. I wasn't paying my way, and nor could she, nor did he expect her to be a very useful member of staff. He just was rewarding me for my service and in essence, volunteering to help my mother. Which he did. Her first comment after she met him was, He looks right into your soul! She stayed 9 months and underwent a huge transformation. Never went back to serious mental illness, although she got a bit kooky in her final years. She became a siddha and completed Phase I of TTC. 2nd story: During my stint on International Staff, a girl jumped naked off her balcony in her ATR hotel in Brünnen, during an argument with her boyfriend. She died instantly. I was sent down to do damage control - to talk to the staff, who were rather shaken up, but also with instructions to advise them to keep the situation quiet. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] La fête de la musique
Just as a rap on the differences in the two cultures, and why I prefer this one, today's the Summer Solstice. In the US, this day would be celebrated by the occasional Neopagan, astrology freaks, and a few others. Here it's celebrated by everyone, in the form of music. Tonight, in literally *every* city, town, and village in France, there will be music. Stages will be erected. Sound systems will be set up. Bands will perform. People will dance and party down into the wee hours of tomorrow morning. It's just so...uh...civilized. :-) Here in Paris, the Metros will be open all night (for a change), enabling people to get around and see all the acts they want to see. And they have a lot to choose from; there are over 120 different stages set up, with musical groups ranging from rock to rap to heavy metal to classical to odd folk groups from even odder countries. And it's all free. Or rather, it's all paid for as part of being a French person and paying one's taxes. It's nice to be in a place where sometimes the money you put into the system actually comes back to you in a form you can appreciate. Everyone out there have fun with your Solstice. I cert- ainly intend to... Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] A Sense of Sangha (was Re: balancing techniques)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One reason I dont't have much personal experience with Scientology is that over three decades I have heard numerous accounts of things such as Fair Game, enemies lists, etc. Why can't these things be discussed? I don't have any problem discussing these things. I've been in the organization for a long time and have worked at a Chucrh for over 5 years on the front lines helping people. I've never been instructed to implement some Fair Game policy or seen an enemies list. The only thing I have seen is a list with pictures of guys who have rabidly attacked Scientology. This was shown to people at the reception area so they might identify someone who came in to start trouble. People do come in to start trouble and attack us. I have witnessed and handled it several times myself. I understand your point about not having time to check everything out. Everyone is free to believe anything they choose to. My point is, discourse with someone who is actually involved seems to be more the flavor of this forum. If someone else has had negative experiences they want to share, it's an open forum. I'm not trying to debate but relate my own spiritual experience. However, I seem to be the only one here who has had any real experience w/ Scientology or else others who have, have chosen not to speak. I got it that there's a lot of negative stuff floating around out there. No organization is perfect. I'll answer questions and if I perceive that nobody's interested in what I have to say, I'll most likely keep my 2 cents to myself. I have a lot of experience in being attacked (which is not what I feel you are doing). I'm getting a lot better at not taking it personally. :-) Jeff To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Zurich-area Teacher Sought
I just returned from 3 weeks in Switzerland, including a few days around Lake Lucerne visiting some of the places I took ATRs back in the 1970s, which was both nostalgic and fun. I made some good friends who want to learn TM, so I'm trying to find them a teacher in the Switzerland / southern Germany region who is both recommended and teaches for a reasonable fee. Do any of you know of such a teacher? Thanks in advance for your help. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is your computer slowing up a bit?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Never met a dutiful wife. I uninstalled Norton and removed every trace and was a better man for it. I got rid of Norton and switched to BitDefender. It's cheaper and the computer opperated faster and smoother. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] A Sense of Sangha (was Re: balancing techniques)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Contrasting TMO (14 yrs) and Scientology (15 yrs) I feel there are tools in Scientology there are designed to help the guy in trouble. Primarily, ethics technology to help one great straight with himself and his group so that he can figure out for himself how to survive better and how to better contribute to the survival of the group. As I mentioned in an earlier post, there is a Doubt Formula for someone who is in doubt about something; they have to figure it out for themselves. It has to be their choice if it's going to work out for them in any group. We also have a Chaplain who assists someone in trouble and makes home visits. I found this to be a interesting webpage giving a good introduction into auditing: http://freezoneamerica.org/Clearbird/guide2004/book/05whatauditing.htm Actually, upon reading it, and of some of the terminology associated with it, I had the clear impression that MMY used the scientology model in the 2nd day checking, when explaining how thoughts are release of stress, and how the mind would be, bit by bit released from all stresses (engrams in sci. I believe) For example look on the 'auditing cycle' and compare it to the cycle of deepening/stress release at meditation: http://freezoneamerica.org/Clearbird/guide2004/book/06definitions.htm#AUDITING%20COMM%20CYCLE: In a similar way, I incidentally found that the exact phrase used during TM initiation at the 'steps' was from a brochure of Yogananda about using affirmations, the refinment used when the mantra is given. Interesting. I also read that freezone is an independend organization who have split from the main organization, making this teaching generally available. http://freezoneamerica.org/Technology/index.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] A Sense of Sangha (was Re: balancing techniques)
On Jun 21, 2005, at 11:44 AM, Jeff Fischer wrote: People do come in to start trouble and attack us. I have witnessed and handled it several times myself. Could the vast majority be characterized as from a particular sector, e.g. fundamentalist or conservative Christian? It always seemed to me that the vast majority were Christian cult buster types--which is kinda funny as I would consider these fundie types would fit the description of cult mentality quite well on their own... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] A Sense of Sangha (was Re: balancing techniques)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 21, 2005, at 11:44 AM, Jeff Fischer wrote: People do come in to start trouble and attack us. I have witnessed and handled it several times myself. Could the vast majority be characterized as from a particular sector, e.g. fundamentalist or conservative Christian? It always seemed to me that the vast majority were Christian cult buster types--which is kinda funny as I would consider these fundie types would fit the description of cult mentality quite well on their own... It's pretty strange the hit that Scientology has taken. I used to live in L.A. for a time, and because it was well-established there, and because a number of people in the entertainment industry were known for their participation, it became (strangely) the religion it's OK to hate. I'm serious. People who would never in a million years stoop to hate speech (and actions) about Jews, or Buddhists, or even lesser spiritual groups felt absolutely NO compunctions about attacking Scientology. And doing worse -- there were publi- cized incidents of businesses blacklisting Scientologists and refusing to hire them, and doing other stuff that they would not think of doing with any other group. It's just weird. While I'm not a big fan of some of the past examples of overkill in defending themselves that have been exposed, I do respect the organization's right *to* defend itself. At least legally. Their legal staff managed to put away the Cult Awareness Network, an organization that did a great deal of damage to a great number of people before they were essentially bankrupted by the Church of Scientology lawsuit against them. For that alone Scientology has my respect. Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Terror capital: Delhi is the new militant haven
In a message dated 6/20/05 11:19:33 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I heard a quote today attributed to Abraham Lincoln, something to the effect, "better to have 100 guilty men set free, than one innocent man wrongly convicted" I'm sure there are some bad guys in this bunch, but maybe it would be more fair to face them on the battlefield. I mean, I sort of like our odds on the batttlefield, and if released, somewhere in the own neighborhoods, these guys want to continue the cause, well, they are probably gonna end up dead. Whaddya think Dix?lurk Oh, but that wouldn't be fair! If we are going to release them, shouldn't they be released right here in the good ol' USA ? We could give them drivers licenses, green cards and everything! That quote may have been attributed to Ibrahim Lincoln but he didn't follow his own advise very well either. Lincoln suspended the writ of Habius Corpus during the WBS, suspended the Maryland State Congress to prevent Maryland's sececcesion along withcreating a draft, but I digress.Actually Lurk, I think there might bea good guy or two mixed in the bunch that are left. If they weed out somebody they think is questionable then send them back to their country of origin and let that government deal with them. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: gyani's karma
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (snip) What are your views on karma: You asked for my views so I gave them to you. My first response to your original post was hasty and flip but sometimes there is little time and these things get dashed off in a hurry. Do you hold that karma does not exist? If so, do you have an alternative model of action? I have always understood karma to mean literally action. In my view every action requires a desire and an intent of some sort, and although some actions may seem inconsequential in their impact, even a small action carries a small puff of desire and intent with it. So a karmic disease or accident or financial loss is desired? No, but whatever happens in life is our destiny created by our karma. snip I was looking over what the 'MMY' Gita has to say on this, and came across Chapter 4, v.17, which speaks about action, and specifically defines wrong actions as those that: 1. harm the doer in the present or the future 2. do not succeed 3. hinder evolution 4. bind the doer to the cycle of birth and death 5. produce life-damaging influences upon the surroundings and upon others 6. are against the laws of nature This exposition is presented in an interesting context, in that Maharishi continues to comment that such wrong action is only possible as long as the doer is: 1. in a state of ignorance about his own dharma 2. unaware of the essential nature of his own self 3. unaware of the nature of activity and the nature of God 4. not supported by transcendental pure consciousness in his waking state of consciousness He continues in the following verse to state that: 'A man for whom the level of transcendental consciousness has become the level of the conscious mind appreciates the thought at its very start before it actually develops into a desire. His thought becomes transformed into action without expressing itself as a desire.' And: 'The question may then be asked: What is responsible for initiating action in such a man? The answer is the almighty power of Nature, which is the cause of the vast and incessant activity of creation and evolution throught the cosmos.' So I conclude three things from this: 1. personally it is helpful to continue to meditate, to increase synchronicity with Being; identification with Nature. 2. to undertake what is perceived as right action. 3. a discussion of karma regarding the enlightened is pretty meaningless with regard to the enlightened, and only useful for the ignorant as a spur to continue #1 and #2, insofar as actions are driven by desire. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] The barking of dogs left in the backalleys by their inability to moove.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] Stop with the maudlin shit already. They're called movements for one reason really. Because they're the shit. When they're happening. When they're over, One can't wipe enough. The Movement belongs to those who mooves. MMY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Relative
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 21, 2005, at 9:45 AM, akasha_108 wrote: All phenomena are preceded by the mind. When the mind is comprehended, all phenomena are comprehended. -Shakyamuni Buddha, Ratnameghasutra And what happens when the manasmayakosha is pierced/burned? You would no longer be conditioned by ordinary mind. A beautiful circular triptych on thought, action, and enlightenment: akasha_108's post: thought of enlightenment (leading to the second and third posts, containing them both) Llundrub's post: action for enlightenment (leading from the first post, and leading to the third post, inferring them both) Vaj's post: expression of enlightenment (following the second post and leading back to the first post, commenting on them both) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
I just came back from pushing an elephant uphill with my dick. It was surprisingly easy. Now I just have to deal with all the legal ramifications. --- Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But if one stands on a boulder then the elephant can lift it and one can push their dick in it and it can run up a hill. See, all things work out in the end. - Original Message - From: lurkernomore20002000 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 11:25 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I was just playing Bob. To tell you to shut up is like trying to lift a boulder and stand on it at the same time. This could even be harder than pushing an elephant up a hill with your dick. lurk - Original Message - From: bbrigante To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 9:49 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're like a freaking 45 single. One track one track. We just don't mind. http://www.trancenet.org/secrets/checking/checking3.shtml To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' --- - Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Zurich-area Teacher Sought
You can take contact with -Theo Fehre on the list Independent TM- Teachers. Maybe he can help you. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just returned from 3 weeks in Switzerland, including a few days around Lake Lucerne visiting some of the places I took ATRs back in the 1970s, which was both nostalgic and fun. I made some good friends who want to learn TM, so I'm trying to find them a teacher in the Switzerland / southern Germany region who is both recommended and teaches for a reasonable fee. Do any of you know of such a teacher? Thanks in advance for your help. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just came back from pushing an elephant uphill with my dick. It was surprisingly easy. Now I just have to deal with all the legal ramifications. *Legal* ramifications?? What are the ramifications for your *dick*? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
--- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just came back from pushing an elephant uphill with my dick. It was surprisingly easy. Now I just have to deal with all the legal ramifications. *Legal* ramifications?? What are the ramifications for your *dick*? Well, seems like some people in South florida have a problem with this type of activity. So Kali yuga of them, isn't it? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Recert News
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 6/19/05 6:46 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1) fraudulently promoting the flying technique; Not fraudulently in MMY's eyes; ...you mean publishing photographs of hoppers in the apex of the hopping parabola isn't fraudulent? Right. And leaving out the landing photos so it looked like the person was flying across the room. From the start of the hopping parabola (i.e. sitting) through to the apex of the parabola (i.e. top of the hop) to the end of the hopping parabola (i.e. sitting) there are an infinite number of points. But for arguments sake, let's say there are 100. Of those 100 points why did the Movement choose the apex? Because it did the most to mislead. Because it was the sexiest, ad-copy-wise. MMY was asked about all of this. He said it was more misleading to imply that Yogic Flying would NOT lead to floating, or words to that effect. How wrong he was. How I wish we could all turn back the clock and do it all over again...properly. I wonder how many millions of people would be doing TM today had all of that been done responsibly. I wonder what effect on the world that would have had. TM would be an established, medically approved, still somewhat odd tradition (and still opposed by fundementalists) in western society. Look how the word mantra has seeped into all kinds of discourse. TM had the recognition but the support structure fell apart. JohnY I concur...I think that what you say above is exactly what would have taken place... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] CC is Baby Awakening
Akasha 108 writes: That Awareness is expressed in the lifes of all in infinite ways is of little surprise. However, what I was seeking to confirm (or refute if there is no confirmation -- same process) is that there is some commonality to the so called experience of so called awakening. As a rough analogy, while all humans are unique and different, there are are core features of commonality that allow them to be classified as homo-sapiens. Tom T writes: Having participated in Satsang here with at least 35+ awake FF residents there seems to be a common level of feeling of wholeness. Some prefer fullness, completeness, doneness or something like that where they feel fulfillment. Maybe it is the cessation of an itch that could never be scratched. When in the company of those describing how it is for them, even though they may use a feeling that may be different than wholeness. One who is awake knows they are describing that which can not be described but is certainly genuine and is known internally to be that common level of feeling. This is the best I can do on this one. Some see it as non-doer and others as I am the primal doer in either case the common feeling of wholeness seems to be that commonality. Tom T PS I will be out of town and off line till July 5. Enjoy. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] A Sense of Sangha (was Re: balancing techniques)
Of course, MY understanding is that MMY used Shankara's description of meditation as dying the cloth, combined with the traditional Patanjali discussion of mind fluctuations, all wrapped up in western terminology ala Hans Selye... But hey, maybe he read Dianetics first. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Contrasting TMO (14 yrs) and Scientology (15 yrs) I feel there are tools in Scientology there are designed to help the guy in trouble. Primarily, ethics technology to help one great straight with himself and his group so that he can figure out for himself how to survive better and how to better contribute to the survival of the group. As I mentioned in an earlier post, there is a Doubt Formula for someone who is in doubt about something; they have to figure it out for themselves. It has to be their choice if it's going to work out for them in any group. We also have a Chaplain who assists someone in trouble and makes home visits. I found this to be a interesting webpage giving a good introduction into auditing: http://freezoneamerica.org/Clearbird/guide2004/book/05whatauditing.htm Actually, upon reading it, and of some of the terminology associated with it, I had the clear impression that MMY used the scientology model in the 2nd day checking, when explaining how thoughts are release of stress, and how the mind would be, bit by bit released from all stresses (engrams in sci. I believe) For example look on the 'auditing cycle' and compare it to the cycle of deepening/stress release at meditation: http://freezoneamerica.org/Clearbird/guide2004/book/06definitions.htm# AUDITING%20COMM%20CYCLE: In a similar way, I incidentally found that the exact phrase used during TM initiation at the 'steps' was from a brochure of Yogananda about using affirmations, the refinment used when the mantra is given. Interesting. I also read that freezone is an independend organization who have split from the main organization, making this teaching generally available. http://freezoneamerica.org/Technology/index.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The barking of dogs left in the backalleys by their inability to moove.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lupidus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] Stop with the maudlin shit already. They're called movements for one reason really. Because they're the shit. When they're happening. When they're over, One can't wipe enough. The Movement belongs to those who mooves. MMY Visions of Mr. Hanky in Lotus position... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just came back from pushing an elephant uphill with my dick. It was surprisingly easy. Now I just have to deal with all the legal ramifications. Not just that. When I brought up this metaphor, I forgot to mention that elephants believe in turnabout is fair play. :-) Unc They are also known to have long... well, memories... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just came back from pushing an elephant uphill with my dick. It was surprisingly easy. Now I just have to deal with all the legal ramifications. *Legal* ramifications?? What are the ramifications for your *dick*? It will be sent to a penile institution for rehabilitation. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just came back from pushing an elephant uphill with my dick. It was surprisingly easy. Now I just have to deal with all the legal ramifications. *Legal* ramifications?? What are the ramifications for your *dick*? There are laws against certain activities with animals... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Relative
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, claudiouk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Is such enlightenment still relative then, and is there another more profound level to reach in which truly one would experience everything as the Self, this Self being truly INTIMATELY cognissant of the egos and bodies of ALL creatures? Because only THEN it becomes possible to love one's neighbour as one's Self AND have the sense that a wrong done to another is truly a wrong done to one's self as well. Can't say as it is more profound particularly, but it's been my experience that intimacy with the egos and physiologies of others as and in this bodymind certainly becomes available as other aspects of oneself. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just came back from pushing an elephant uphill with my dick. It was surprisingly easy. Now I just have to deal with all the legal ramifications. *Legal* ramifications?? What are the ramifications for your *dick*? It will be sent to a penile institution for rehabilitation. belly laugh To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Relative
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, claudiouk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Is such enlightenment still relative then, and is there another more profound level to reach in which truly one would experience everything as the Self, this Self being truly INTIMATELY cognissant of the egos and bodies of ALL creatures? Because only THEN it becomes possible to love one's neighbour as one's Self AND have the sense that a wrong done to another is truly a wrong done to one's self as well. Can't say as it is more profound particularly, but it's been my experience that intimacy with the egos and physiologies of others as and in this bodymind certainly becomes available as other aspects of oneself. Oh No, not George Bush! Hi Rory! Welcom back! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Relative
Everything that is "relative" is associated with the ego. The ego does not and cannot love. The ego is based in seperateness, and it's "job" is to continue the illusion of seperateness. On the other hand, the "absolute" is the soul. Pure consiousness is the experience or one's own soul. The light and energy of the soul behind all experience. The soul is love. It's intension to manifest here on earth was the intension of love. The more integrated the soul becomes in the body, the more one radiates love. Anytime one is not loving, we can be sure the ego is in charge. That is why it is so hard to get people to meditate. Because all advertisement appeals to ego. How do you advertise something that will eventually destroy the ego, and make it irrevelant. Even the so-called false advertisement for the 'flying technique' is all ego based. It's a catch 22...Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "claudiouk" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:snip Is such enlightenment still "relative" then, and is there another more profound level to reach in which truly one would experience everything as the Self, this Self being truly INTIMATELY cognissant of the egos and bodies of ALL creatures? Because only THEN it becomes possible to love one's neighbour as one's Self AND have the sense that a wrong done to another is truly a wrong done to one's "self" as well. Can't say as it is more profound particularly, but it's been my experience that intimacy with the egos and physiologies of others as and in this bodymind certainly becomes available as other aspects of oneself.To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: in reference to Ingegerd message 58082
I'm curious because in the early 1960's Maharishi was not allegedly using the set of mantras used now for first level TM. The alleged mantras were Ram and Shree Ram and would probably be considered Shiva mantras and also more traditional for yogic meditation.If that is what you were doing long meditations with they may not have caused as much problem as the ones used now. The bijas used now are mostly shakti mantras or agni mantras and considered hot. My theory from an ayurvedic perspective is that they can be tolerated better by Indians than by westerners because Indians mostly have kapha primary constitutions (balances with hot and dry weather) whereas westerners mostly have pitta primary constitutions as our ancestors with that constitution were able to survive cold harsh winters. Since we are already by nature hot the shakti bijas add more heat. The short periods that MMY prescribes for TM usually won't make that a problem. Ingegerd wrote: I have had the same thought about rounding, because we receive the information given to us on very subtle states of the mind, especially in TTC - where we were rounding in several months. I stopped with the TM-Sidhi-techniques after some years, because of less and less energy and a terrible headache during the resting time after the program. I figured out from myself that the sidhi- techniques, if they are not given in Sanskrit, have wrong vibrations - at least in my mind. Later on, when I followed the Satelitte Programs with Tony Nader and MMY The Perfect Man and another program (I have forgotten the name) - MMY said something about - that different languages shapes different vibrations in the brain, and in mental techniques one should be very carefull about the vibrations - not shift from one language to another. I interpreted for myself, that when we use Sanskrit Mantras - we should use Sanskrit Sidhis. Maybe I am wrong - I do not know, but the TM-Sidhi-techniques was not good for me. Ingegerd Just meditating 2x20, one feels some sense of relief. But when the rounding beging, the relief (not, certainly for all, but certainly for many) turns into spacey, dissociation, any sense of cognitive dissonance is replaced with a very open, receptive, vulnerable situation in which Maharishi can tell you how much he loves you, how no one can love you like he can, now important you are, how you re going to bring peace to the whole world. Indoctrination is, I believe, the operative word. In the early daze he had to have some method to absolutely turn people to him; rounding did it marvelously. Dangerous? That depends upon how you felt about the direction your life was taking before. Many were happier being totally sold out to Maharishi. At least they said they were. --- Now, this business of OM. The Tibetans have recited OM MANE PADME HUNG millions of times per lifetime for several centuries. Actually, only a very few Tibetan Lamas are actual recluses, hermits. There is a DVD that interviews one of the hermits. There is also some Tibetan hopping/flying that is interesting to watch. It is done the same way the yogic flyers hop, by learning how to leap from a sitting position. I have met lots and lots of TM'ers who, the more advanced their program became, the more they lacked the energy to do anything and sometimes even had trouble doing their program. From my experience, I would be much more concerned about TM being reclusive. After all, aside from the sexcapades, what does Maharishi know about being a householder? He spent 13 years with Guru Dev. There weren't any families living there, were there? Guru Dev wasn't a family man. So, doesn't this raise some questions about how Maharishi, who says he was so sold out to Guru Dev, so committed that he made his mind like Guru Dev's (I am sure I heard him talk about that more than once), just how does he come by householder knowledge??? It has always been a curious point. G To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] La fête de la musique
Unc Sounds like a great gig, being there and enjoying happenings like the one you describe. Do you speak French? If not, how is it living there w/o it? In the last several years I have found myself attracted to France but have never been, and don't speak the language. TurquoiseB wrote: Just as a rap on the differences in the two cultures, and why I prefer this one, today's the Summer Solstice. In the US, this day would be celebrated by the occasional Neopagan, astrology freaks, and a few others. Here it's celebrated by everyone, in the form of music. Tonight, in literally *every* city, town, and village in France, there will be music. Stages will be erected. Sound systems will be set up. Bands will perform. People will dance and party down into the wee hours of tomorrow morning. It's just so...uh...civilized. :-) Here in Paris, the Metros will be open all night (for a change), enabling people to get around and see all the acts they want to see. And they have a lot to choose from; there are over 120 different stages set up, with musical groups ranging from rock to rap to heavy metal to classical to odd folk groups from even odder countries. And it's all free. Or rather, it's all paid for as part of being a French person and paying one's taxes. It's nice to be in a place where sometimes the money you put into the system actually comes back to you in a form you can appreciate. Everyone out there have fun with your Solstice. I cert- ainly intend to... Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just came back from pushing an elephant uphill with my dick. It was surprisingly easy. Now I just have to deal with all the legal ramifications. What the hell made you think your wife *wouldn't* serve you with divorce papers after referring to her as an elephant? Alex To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: in reference to Ingegerd message 58082
on 6/21/05 11:06 AM, Bhairitu at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm curious because in the early 1960's Maharishi was not allegedly using the set of mantras used now for first level TM. The alleged mantras were Ram and Shree Ram and would probably be considered Shiva mantras and also more traditional for yogic meditation.If that is what you were doing long meditations with they may not have caused as much problem as the ones used now. The bijas used now are mostly shakti mantras or agni mantras and considered hot. My theory from an ayurvedic perspective is that they can be tolerated better by Indians than by westerners because Indians mostly have kapha primary constitutions (balances with hot and dry weather) whereas westerners mostly have pitta primary constitutions as our ancestors with that constitution were able to survive cold harsh winters. Since we are already by nature hot the shakti bijas add more heat. The short periods that MMY prescribes for TM usually won't make that a problem. Do you think Maharishi was aware of this theory? He had thousands of people rounding for hours a day, months on end. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Guru Dev Movie
Title: Guru Dev Movie Anyone know how to get a copy? Someone emailed me trying to get one. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Borowitz Report (was: A Sense of Sangha)
SCIENTOLOGISTS CALL TOM CRUISE `TOO WEIRD' Rare Excommunication a Setback for Hollywood Star The Church of Scientology dealt an unexpected blow to actor Tom Cruise today, excommunicating the Hollywood star for being too weird. In an official statement from Scientology headquarters, church elders said that Mr. Cruise's erratic behavior during his ongoing courtship of former Dawson's Creek star Katie Holmes was so bizarre that it threatened to reflect poorly on other Scientologists. The Church of Scientology likes to consider itself tolerant about the behavior of its members, but Tom Cruise has been acting like a total kook, the official statement read. According to Scientology insiders, Mr. Cruise began to alarm church elders last month, when he appeared on Oprah and jumped up and down on a couch like an insane person, proclaiming his love for Ms. Holmes. His increasingly unhinged protestations of love, capped by his proposal to Ms. Holmes at the Eiffel Tower last week, prompted the church to take drastic action. As Scientologists, we believe that we all come from another planet, the official statement read. Having said that, Tom Cruise has been acting like he is from Mars. But according to Buddy Schlantz, a veteran talent agent and observer of the Hollywood scene, Mr. Cruise's dust-up with the Church of Scientology may turn out to be his greatest publicity coup to date. Whenever people hear the words `Tom Cruise' and `Mars' in the same sentence, it reminds them that `War of the Worlds' is opening June 29, Mr. Schlantz said. Elsewhere, a new poll shows that less than half of all Americans approve of the way Dick Cheney is handling President Bush's job. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev Movie
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Guru Dev Movie is on Guru Purnima tape froom 1999. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone know how to get a copy? Someone emailed me trying to get one. The versions which have come on air have been very cut about and edited. There used to be a 16mm copy of the film in the UK. It was so clear and fresh! Perhaps someone has done a cine-to-video dub? On the subject, has anyone information about the provenance of the films, where were they taken and by whom? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] La fête de la musique
Well, if you stay in, try: http://192.168.0.10:8100 It might help to have iTunes and a broadband connection, but there's some rare Bruce C. there... -V On Jun 21, 2005, at 11:37 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: Just as a rap on the differences in the two cultures, and why I prefer this one, today's the Summer Solstice. In the US, this day would be celebrated by the occasional Neopagan, astrology freaks, and a few others. Here it's celebrated by everyone, in the form of music. Tonight, in literally *every* city, town, and village in France, there will be music. Stages will be erected. Sound systems will be set up. Bands will perform. People will dance and party down into the wee hours of tomorrow morning. It's just so...uh...civilized. :-) Here in Paris, the Metros will be open all night (for a change), enabling people to get around and see all the acts they want to see. And they have a lot to choose from; there are over 120 different stages set up, with musical groups ranging from rock to rap to heavy metal to classical to odd folk groups from even odder countries. And it's all free. Or rather, it's all paid for as part of being a French person and paying one's taxes. It's nice to be in a place where sometimes the money you put into the system actually comes back to you in a form you can appreciate. Everyone out there have fun with your Solstice. I cert- ainly intend to... Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Second Course in Yoga Asanas
Here's a link to what appears to be the first set: http://www.showcase.netins.net/web/tkz/TM-Asanas.htm Vaj wrote: I was going thru some old papers and found an old SRM book I have entitled _Second Course of One Year in Yoga Asanas_ by MMY. Does anyone have a copy of the first part they could scan? I'd be glad to trade. I thought this might be a good place to ask! -Vaj To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: La fête de la musique
On Jun 21, 2005, at 11:37 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: I have been there, and without the French people France have a potential of being a nice place. yuck To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] A Sense of Sangha (was Re: balancing techniques)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could the vast majority be characterized as from a particular sector, e.g. fundamentalist or conservative Christian? It always seemed to me that the vast majority were Christian cult buster types--which is kinda funny as I would consider these fundie types would fit the description of cult mentality quite well on their own... In my experience, yes. The vast majority. Jeff To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: La fête de la musique
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 21, 2005, at 11:37 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: I have been there, and without the French people France have a potential of being a nice place. yuck reminds me of something a coworker once said about Hong Kong, ...its too Chinese... ?!?? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: La fête de la musique
--- anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 21, 2005, at 11:37 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: I have been there, and without the French people France have a potential of being a nice place. yuck Hey, that's funny! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: in reference to Ingegerd message 58082
Rick Archer wrote: on 6/21/05 11:06 AM, Bhairitu at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm curious because in the early 1960's Maharishi was not allegedly using the set of mantras used now for first level TM. The alleged mantras were Ram and Shree Ram and would probably be considered Shiva mantras and also more traditional for yogic meditation.If that is what you were doing long meditations with they may not have caused as much problem as the ones used now. The bijas used now are mostly shakti mantras or agni mantras and considered hot. My theory from an ayurvedic perspective is that they can be tolerated better by Indians than by westerners because Indians mostly have kapha primary constitutions (balances with hot and dry weather) whereas westerners mostly have pitta primary constitutions as our ancestors with that constitution were able to survive cold harsh winters. Since we are already by nature hot the shakti bijas add more heat. The short periods that MMY prescribes for TM usually won't make that a problem. Do you think Maharishi was aware of this theory? He had thousands of people rounding for hours a day, months on end. Sure, I think he was aware of this as it seems to be rather common knowledge in mantra shastra. That is probably why he uses *rounds* as opposed to long meditations which are more traditional. I also believe he switched to beej aksharas for the 1st technique as they provided short *dips* into the transcendent rather than longterm swims or dives that longer more traditional mantras might provide. And it is not that rounding does not come with problems. There were numerous people who had roughness doing rounds on the courses. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: in reference to Ingegerd message 58082
Well in keeping with what you are saying, I have to point out--if the transliteration commonly used is correct, ram IS agni bija. It's great at manifesting siddhis quickly, but too good at overheating you. Even if it is raam, unless the person using it recognizes the subtle difference, they would undoubtledly overheat themselves. I always wondered if the infamous case of the women whose hands burnt into the table was using ram... On Jun 21, 2005, at 12:06 PM, Bhairitu wrote: I'm curious because in the early 1960's Maharishi was not allegedly using the set of mantras used now for first level TM. The alleged mantras were Ram and Shree Ram and would probably be considered Shiva mantras and also more traditional for yogic meditation. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: La fête de la musique
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, if you stay in, try: http://192.168.0.10:8100 That's a private subnetwork address. It might help to have iTunes and a broadband connection, but there's some rare Bruce C. there... If that's your personal machine, and you want to share files via HTTP on port 8100, you'll have to: 1. have a web server running on your machine (which I believe comes with the unix-based MacOS X) 2. configure your DSL/Cable router (or whatever network device that's sitting between your machine and the Internet) to forward all incoming, port 8100, Internet traffic to the subnet address of your webserver (192.168.0.10) 3. give us your Internet address (which I'm pretty sure is 70.33.152.115) Alex To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: La fête de la musique
And, sure enough, it works! http://70.33.152.115:8100/ --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, if you stay in, try: http://192.168.0.10:8100 That's a private subnetwork address. It might help to have iTunes and a broadband connection, but there's some rare Bruce C. there... If that's your personal machine, and you want to share files via HTTP on port 8100, you'll have to: 1. have a web server running on your machine (which I believe comes with the unix-based MacOS X) 2. configure your DSL/Cable router (or whatever network device that's sitting between your machine and the Internet) to forward all incoming, port 8100, Internet traffic to the subnet address of your webserver (192.168.0.10) 3. give us your Internet address (which I'm pretty sure is 70.33.152.115) Alex To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Recert News
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was in R.I. for the Ideal Society campaign. It was a manageable size town and we were talking to the guys on the City council. Most were fairly positive but non commital. At a meeting of the entire council, they were saying it all sounded like a good thing, but no action was being taken. Finally my wife (now ex) said I hear everyone saying it sounds good but no one is willing to try it (TM). So she points at the most positive guy and says Will you try it if (points to another positive guy) if he'll do it too? Well, it was brilliant. It worked. They all agreed to start. However, they all had to go to prep lecture at the center. The hopping sequence was running all down one side and around to another. The lecture went on for awhile and one of them just started looking at the poster hopping sequence. Finally, he says (loudly) What is THAT? The lecture stopped, they all freaked and that was that. It was such a good opportunity lost. Yup. Saw the same phenomenon a few times myself during that era. I think that people within the movement are such suckers for anything flashy that they think every- one else is, too. But the reality is that most people want their miracles safely locked away in books where they don't have to deal with them. Not only is the idea of TMers being able truly levitate (if it had been true) not a turn-on to such people, it's such a turn-off that I've seen people literally run out of the room. And that was the point, according to MMY. WHAT, precisely, was the point MMY chose to start teaching the -TM-Sidhis. Any attempt to downplay the unusual nature of the sidhis would be deceptive, so it's best to present them up front. WHAT? You mean it was best to present misleading, bordering- on- fraudulent hovering photographs to the world and that would NOT be deceptive? It makes sure that everyone knows what the long-term outcome is supposed to be. Do you, in your heart, feel comfortable with your responses to me? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
--- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just came back from pushing an elephant uphill with my dick. It was surprisingly easy. Now I just have to deal with all the legal ramifications. *Legal* ramifications?? What are the ramifications for your *dick*? There are laws against certain activities with animals... So I have discovered much to my chagrin. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Recert News
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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Relative
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh No, not George Bush! Hi Rory! Welcom back! :-D Hiya Jim. Thanks. And happy birthday, BTW! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: La fête de la musique
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Everyone out there have fun with your Solstice. I cert- ainly intend to... Listen, if you're not in bed by 10:00,.go home and go to bed. lurk To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Relative
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh No, not George Bush! Hi Rory! Welcom back! :-D Hiya Jim. Thanks. And happy birthday, BTW! Right-E-o!! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: La fête de la musique
Yeah, pasted the wrong IP... Should have been http://70.33.152.115:8100/ Merry Solstice. Thanks Alex you net wiz! On Jun 21, 2005, at 6:25 PM, Alex Stanley wrote: And, sure enough, it works! http://70.33.152.115:8100/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just came back from pushing an elephant uphill with my dick. It was surprisingly easy. Now I just have to deal with all the legal ramifications. *Legal* ramifications?? What are the ramifications for your *dick*? It will be sent to a penile institution for rehabilitation. Now that is quite an opening post. Welcome back (activate dormant bandwith) lurk To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Recert News
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] It makes sure that everyone knows what the long-term outcome is supposed to be. Do you, in your heart, feel comfortable with your responses to me? Well, yes. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just came back from pushing an elephant uphill with my dick. It was surprisingly easy. Now I just have to deal with all the legal ramifications. *Legal* ramifications?? What are the ramifications for your *dick*? There are laws against certain activities with animals... So I have discovered much to my chagrin. TMI... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
Welcome back, Rory! You were in ff? --- Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just came back from pushing an elephant uphill with my dick. It was surprisingly easy. Now I just have to deal with all the legal ramifications. *Legal* ramifications?? What are the ramifications for your *dick*? It will be sent to a penile institution for rehabilitation. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] A Sense of Sangha (was Re: balancing techniques)
My point was to Barry. It was this. Stop the maudlin crying in your beer over the suicide guy. You also weren't there for him. Next time be a better person, or don't, but don't weep about it later as if yours is the only heart that bleeds. You already said you didn't like my shit tRitnity. 2 points. One, I don't care, and 2 I didn't ask you. Now you can tell me again a third time too someday, and I'll just also repeat what I just said. - Original Message - From: t3rinity To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 9:14 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] A Sense of Sangha (was Re: balancing techniques) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" [EMAIL PROTECTED]... wrote:Sorry, I don't understand you Kirk. Better care about your ownreality. I am not too interested. Reality check 1234, 4321 OK Stop with the maudlin shit already. They're called movements for one reason really. Because they're the shit. When they're happening. When they're over, One can't wipe enough.To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] La fête de la musique
Yeah well, we have Mardi-Gras for two weeks. - Original Message - From: TurquoiseB To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 10:37 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] La fête de la musique Just as a rap on the differences in the two cultures,and why I prefer this one, today's the Summer Solstice.In the US, this day would be celebrated by the occasionalNeopagan, astrology freaks, and a few others. Here it'scelebrated by everyone, in the form of music.Tonight, in literally *every* city, town, and village inFrance, there will be music. Stages will be erected.Sound systems will be set up. Bands will perform. Peoplewill dance and party down into the wee hours of tomorrowmorning. It's just so...uh...civilized. :-)Here in Paris, the Metros will be open all night (for achange), enabling people to get around and see all theacts they want to see. And they have a lot to choosefrom; there are over 120 different stages set up, withmusical groups ranging from rock to rap to heavy metalto classical to odd folk groups from even odder countries.And it's all free. Or rather, it's all paid for as partof being a French person and paying one's taxes. It'snice to be in a place where sometimes the money you putinto the system actually comes back to you in a form you can appreciate.Everyone out there have fun with your Solstice. I cert-ainly intend to...UncTo subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: balancing techniques
Well, seems like some people in South florida have aproblem with this type of activity. So Kali yuga ofthem, isn't it?--There are no hills in S Florida. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Recert News
I had seen the hovering photos since day one, and for some reason it never meant anything to me. I just knew that people didn't levitate. - Original Message - From: shempmcgurk To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 12:57 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Recert News --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" [EMAIL PROTECTED]... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" [EMAIL PROTECTED]... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" [EMAIL PROTECTED]... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]... wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Fischer" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was in R.I. for the Ideal Society campaign. It was a manageable size town and we were talking to the guys on the City council. Most were fairly positive but non commital. At a meeting of the entire council, they were sayingit all sounded like a good thing, but no action was being taken. Finally my wife (now ex) said " I hear everyone saying it sounds good but no one is willing to try it (TM)." So she points at the most positive guy and says "Will you try it if (points to another positive guy) if he'll do it too?" Well, it was brilliant. It worked. They all agreed to start. However, they all had to go to prep lecture at the center. The hopping sequence was running all down one side and around to another. The lecture went on for awhile and one of them just started looking at the poster hopping sequence. Finally, he says (loudly) "What is THAT?" The lecture stopped, they all freaked and that was that. It was such a good opportunity lost.Yup. Saw the same phenomenon a few times myself duringthat era. I think that people within the movement aresuch suckers for anything flashy that they think every-one else is, too. But the reality is that most peoplewant their "miracles" safely locked away in books wherethey don't have to deal with them. Not only is the ideaof TMers being able truly levitate (if it had been true)not a turn-on to such people, it's such a turn-off thatI've seen people literally run out of the room. And that was the point, according to MMY. WHAT, precisely, was the point MMY chose to start teaching the -TM-Sidhis. Any attempt to downplay the unusual nature of the sidhis would be deceptive, so it's best to present them up front.WHAT? You mean it was best to present misleading, bordering-on-fraudulent "hovering" photographs to the world and that would NOT be deceptive?To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
