[FairfieldLife] Independent TM Teachers (Re: I Hate Maharishi)
The TMO in Norway tried to make a lot of fuss about that I teach people outside the TMO, with threats and Lawyers and everything. One day I received a message on my answering machine from the International TMO in Holland, they wanted to talk to me. I send them an e-mail and said don't talk to me, talk to my Lawyer, and gave them his name and phonenumber. I did not hear anything more. The TMO used every dirty means to try to stop me, using old TM- Teachers, they spread lies about me to Sidhas etc. They mentioned me on WPAs as a very bad example because I let MMY down. It was really an interesting process. I think that is an experience many Independent TM-Teachers had, and that is one reason that many TM- Teachers initiate in secret, and do not go out openly. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kenny H [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paul got many letters from the legal department at MIU. I believe it was from Lenny Goldman. He showed me the letters and he was a bit nervous. Essentially he ignored them, though they did cause stress. This was probably in the range of 6 years or so ago (give or take a year or two). Paul's main TM audience has come from people in 12-Step programs. They get a small group together who want to learn, someone puts him up, and he flies to them. It works out well for all. And because it is word of mouth among friends he ends up going back repeatedly to areas where people learn so they get follow-up and group meditations from time to time. Thanks, Ken - I appreciate the info. I wonder if they've harassed him since he's put up his website? Does anyone have any connection with the folks at TM Independent in Britian? I wonder what kind of leagel response they are getting. Any Attorneys in the house? JohnY --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kenny H [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kirk You are missing the point!! Paul Brown, for example, has NOTHING-NADA-ZERO-ZIP to do with the TMO. He teaches the TM technique. He has been threatened up the wazoo by the TMO and they finally have left him alone. The people he teachers will be turned away from the TMO if they are asked who their teacher is. So you can rest assured that anyone he teaches will, by default, not be allowed to belong to the TMO. Ken Do you know anything about how they tried to work him over? And how he dealt with it? Have a friend that is a lawyer? JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 14, 2005, at 5:48 PM, uns_tressor wrote: I thought that Om was a mantra suited to the monastic life rather than to householders. Uns. It might be time for the MMY and Guru Dev OM FAQ. Yes indeed. I didn't really follow that thread and would appreciate an edited summary of its arguments. If anyone does it, thanks! - Patrick Gillam Why not just use it once as a mantra for 10 or 20 min. and see what happens? So you think that the detrimental effects of a mantra, assuming there are any,would be immediately noticable to anyone? FWIW: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tritone ~;0 I once challenged my music theory teacher's claim that just about ANY variation of produceable sound was called music by some culture or another by mentioning the tritone. Turns out there is a system of African music based exclusively on tritones. IOW, unless there's a documentable physiological effect from tritones, there's no reason to assume that our wincing when we hear one is due to anything more than cultural background. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Independent TM Teachers (Re: I Hate Maharishi)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The TMO in Norway tried to make a lot of fuss about that I teach people outside the TMO, with threats and Lawyers and everything. One day I received a message on my answering machine from the International TMO in Holland, they wanted to talk to me. I send them an e-mail and said don't talk to me, talk to my Lawyer, and gave them his name and phonenumber. I did not hear anything more. The TMO used every dirty means to try to stop me, using old TM- Teachers, they spread lies about me to Sidhas etc. They mentioned me on WPAs as a very bad example because I let MMY down. It was really an interesting process. I think that is an experience many Independent TM-Teachers had, and that is one reason that many TM- Teachers initiate in secret, and do not go out openly. Ingegerd You have indicated that you have *absolutely* no respect for MMY, so how is it a lie to say that you have let MMY down? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re:The last Advanced Technique:'Om'?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kenny H [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hell here I come but I remember many years ago, when advanced techniques were a mere $1000 and a good friend (initiator)came out of getting one and kept shaking his head and saying, I can't believe I paid $1000 for that and it ended up (he didn't tell me, someone else did) it was mentally singing some tune that only the initiators know and I marveled at how you could be charged for doing something you could have done anyway although who would have thought of doing that?! So, there's no value to learning the mantra from the teacher, and you should just learn it from a book or recording? I mean, perhaps that attitude is correct, but what's the difference between learning a mantra from the teacher and learning some other technique from the teacher? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Independent TM Teachers (Re: I Hate Maharishi)
At that time I was very devoted to MMY. I did not agree with the new course-fees and did not want to sign a new agreement form, that is why I was kicked out of the TMO in Norway. It took me some years to work through the whole process, and in that time I started to ask critical questions about the TMO and MMY, because I needed to understand what was going on. Now, I can see it was a very good thing that happened, because I had to think for myself, not only lean back and follow blindly. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The TMO in Norway tried to make a lot of fuss about that I teach people outside the TMO, with threats and Lawyers and everything. One day I received a message on my answering machine from the International TMO in Holland, they wanted to talk to me. I send them an e-mail and said don't talk to me, talk to my Lawyer, and gave them his name and phonenumber. I did not hear anything more. The TMO used every dirty means to try to stop me, using old TM- Teachers, they spread lies about me to Sidhas etc. They mentioned me on WPAs as a very bad example because I let MMY down. It was really an interesting process. I think that is an experience many Independent TM-Teachers had, and that is one reason that many TM- Teachers initiate in secret, and do not go out openly. Ingegerd You have indicated that you have *absolutely* no respect for MMY, so how is it a lie to say that you have let MMY down? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
--- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 14, 2005, at 11:21 AM, Bhairitu wrote: Any other guru would be able to clearly delineate the historical origins of a teaching. If they can't then they are suspect. Thank you. I've said this over and over. Many just don't get it but it really important to know the where's and how's of your transmissions. TM is one of the few that do not tell you really any details. In fact it appears M. has pretty much hidden his childhood from history. Almost every other group, from Swami Rama to SYDA to Yogananda all give detailed histories. So where's the detailed history of Jesus' childhood? What about Gurudev's? Hey sparaig, we're on the same side of the fence on this one. All this crap about lineages is absurd. It's all mental masturbation to puff your spiritual ego up. The value of a teaching has nothing to do with lineages and who's guru's guru's guru had the biggest dick, but the direct impact that teaching has on your own Realization. Nothing else matters. You only know the value of a teaching if you follow it for some time and DIRECTLY experience what it does. Titles are for spiritual materialists (obviously the lowest form of life on the planet ;-). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Independent TM Teachers (Re: I Hate Maharishi)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At that time I was very devoted to MMY. I did not agree with the new course-fees and did not want to sign a new agreement form, that is why I was kicked out of the TMO in Norway. It took me some years to work through the whole process, and in that time I started to ask critical questions about the TMO and MMY, because I needed to understand what was going on. Now, I can see it was a very good thing that happened, because I had to think for myself, not only lean back and follow blindly. Ingegerd But again, you have said that you have no respect for MMY or the TMO. Why shouldn't the TMO say that you have let MMY down? Do you inform your students that you no longer respect the guy who taught you how to teach meditation? Seems to me like that might be an important thing for a meditation student to know: their teacher no longer respects her OWN teacher -the one that taught her what she is teaching them. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The TMO in Norway tried to make a lot of fuss about that I teach people outside the TMO, with threats and Lawyers and everything. One day I received a message on my answering machine from the International TMO in Holland, they wanted to talk to me. I send them an e-mail and said don't talk to me, talk to my Lawyer, and gave them his name and phonenumber. I did not hear anything more. The TMO used every dirty means to try to stop me, using old TM- Teachers, they spread lies about me to Sidhas etc. They mentioned me on WPAs as a very bad example because I let MMY down. It was really an interesting process. I think that is an experience many Independent TM-Teachers had, and that is one reason that many TM- Teachers initiate in secret, and do not go out openly. Ingegerd You have indicated that you have *absolutely* no respect for MMY, so how is it a lie to say that you have let MMY down? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 14, 2005, at 11:21 AM, Bhairitu wrote: Any other guru would be able to clearly delineate the historical origins of a teaching. If they can't then they are suspect. Thank you. I've said this over and over. Many just don't get it but it really important to know the where's and how's of your transmissions. TM is one of the few that do not tell you really any details. In fact it appears M. has pretty much hidden his childhood from history. Almost every other group, from Swami Rama to SYDA to Yogananda all give detailed histories. So where's the detailed history of Jesus' childhood? What about Gurudev's? Hey sparaig, we're on the same side of the fence on this one. All this crap about lineages is absurd. It's all mental masturbation to puff your spiritual ego up. The value of a teaching has nothing to do with lineages and who's guru's guru's guru had the biggest dick, but the direct impact that teaching has on your own Realization. Nothing else matters. You only know the value of a teaching if you follow it for some time and DIRECTLY experience what it does. Titles are for spiritual materialists (obviously the lowest form of life on the planet ;-). I don't claim that it is completely valueless, but some of the most famous teachers of all time are virtually mute about their childhood backgrounds. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Changed The Title
Knowledge is Structured in Consciousness; Consciousness is the container of knowledge. It would not be possible for me to 'know' what I 'know' today, compared with just a few years ago, because my consciousness has grown; I've let go of some delusions and illusions, have clearer experiences of Transcendance and Witnessing, and just more subtle experiences which allow me to have a deeper and greater understanding of anything, and knowledge. That is the basis difference between regular education is schools and colleges, and what these institutions would be like, if while at the same time, they were expanding the consiousness that is the basis of any knowledge. On some level, isn't Maharishi, regardless of what our thoughts of him may be, irrelevant to the practice of TM? (Sorry, not sure who to credit with the above observation; Mr. Flanegin or Mr. Vaj?) My comment as follows: The Knowledge enlightens, the technique allows you to appreciate the knowledge more fully. - MMY Recorded by J. Jarvis from a talk given in the late 60Õs . Replayed years later with Jerry confessing to an almost obsessional fascination with this single idea saying: IÕve thought about this ever since. -- So, what did MMY mean by knowledge in this case? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
I don't know why anyone who American, would praise the caste system in India; I just don't get that part. As far as Maharishi, deciding or having it decided for him, that his path was not meant for Shankaracharya, thank God. As far as wanting to know more than Maharishi's name, rank and serial number, I think that is because of the need to feel close to him, when he is not as available now, as he once was... On Aug 14, 2005, at 7:39 PM, Peter wrote: More stories to keep the mind attached. More ways to hide. Bad for the faith of the students. True story. Stories vs stories. ANd just what is MMY hiding? We already know that his caste was not suitable for being Shankaracharya. We also know that depending on which judge you listen to concerning which part of the country he comes from, his caste is considered one thing or the other. Why do YOU care about caste laws in India, when even the INdians can't make up their minds in this situation? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: American karma (Mocking the Master)
It's just from personal experience: I've had the experience of trying to explain a spiritual principle of or lesson to someone; and it's as if they 'blank' out, as though they are not meant to hear, 'that one' yet. I guess, evolution, takes place in steps, and due to certain laws, of karma, I guess, you can't skip steps. If one is not meant to see something, which would confuse one, then perhaps he/she would not see it anyway, even if it occurred right in front of them. Also, I remember reading that John Lennon Co. when in India, wanted Maharishi to do some sort of miracle, like levitate, and he refused. From the story of Jesus, when asked by Pontius Pilot, to Let's see you do a miracle Jesus, he refused. From my understanding, and miracle cannot take place as a magic trick, but rather is an experience of Unity, that cannot take place when the conditions of Unity are being mocked. The request for miracles from a doubter or mocker is experienced in Unity Conciousness as a request from the small self to have dominion over the Self. Since this is an impossibility in UC, the request will always be denied. Who says? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: American karma (Mocking the Master)
I agree, God does perform the miracle, as he does everything else. It's just that, what is considered a miracle, is usually just an event in which Spirit, takes precedence over matter. Or the 'Timeless' takes precedence over time. It's just something that occurs spontaneously when God has a reason to express himself in that way, not only through the Master, but through the student as well, as it creates an experience of Unity. A miracle is a two-way street; A miracle is a participatory event; It's not a sideshow. The request for miracles from a doubter or mocker is experienced in Unity Conciousness as a request from the small self to have dominion over the Self. Since this is an impossibility in UC, the request will always be denied. The so-called 'master' is the source of the problem of needing miracles, to wit, if he hadn't claimed to be a master then nobody would request miracles. In the Christian tradition, 'tis God who performs the miracle. As for siddhis, one need notbe a master to perform one, or at least, one need not be a permanent master to perform one. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: American karma (Mocking the Master)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree, God does perform the miracle, as he does everything else. It's just that, what is considered a miracle, is usually just an event in which Spirit, takes precedence over matter. Or the 'Timeless' takes precedence over time. It's just something that occurs spontaneously when God has a reason to express himself in that way, not only through the Master, but through the student as well, as it creates an experience of Unity. A miracle is a two-way street; A miracle is a participatory event; It's not a sideshow. Sure, but Moses performed miracles in responseto challenges by Pharoh's court magicians. I don't think that its IMPOSSIBLE to perform miracles before doubters. Certainly Thomas was presented with one... The request for miracles from a doubter or mocker is experienced in Unity Conciousness as a request from the small self to have dominion over the Self. Since this is an impossibility in UC, the request will always be denied. The so-called 'master' is the source of the problem of needing miracles, to wit, if he hadn't claimed to be a master then nobody would request miracles. In the Christian tradition, 'tis God who performs the miracle. As for siddhis, one need notbe a master to perform one, or at least, one need not be a permanent master to perform one. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re:The last Advanced Technique:'Om'?
From my understanding and experience, it's important to get initiated into TM at the beginning, because of the precise way Maharishi, has structured the teaching, and the necessity of the principle of effortlessness, which needs to be checked post initiation. After learning the technique, I suppose the advanced techniques, are given in the same way, to continue to invoke the Masters of the Holy Tradition, and to give thanks for the knowledge. But, once someone has experience transcending, and also, experiencing witnessing, and the more subtle aspects of the knowledge and experience, then it's a whole different ball game. That's the whole point of becoming enlightened and becoming a Master yourself. At some point you trust you intuition enough, to know what's good for you and what is not. As far as the use of Aum. Again, this is my understanding: Aum is the basic sound of the absolute. Aum is the alpha and omega. Aum is the beginning and the end. Aum is good to do out loud, in a group or by yourself; it can be used for finding your, 'natural voice' as in singing, and can be used to strengthen the voice. Aum can also be added to a given Mantra, to complete the Mantra string. Like: Aum Shri Shivayai Namah Aum as a salutation to Shiva. A salutation to Shiva, is like a song to Shiva, And depending of the consciousness, and purity of intention, of the repeater of this mantra; will come the result of calling Shiva to you. That is my understanding of the use(s) of Aum, sort of like a period at the end of a sentence; Like the coming back to the simplest state of awareness; Like that; using Aum at the beginning and at the end solidifies the Mantra string. Someone might want to give this one a try during an approaching storm; Aum Shri Indra Namah Aum... Hell here I come but I remember many years ago, when advanced techniques were a mere $1000 and a good friend (initiator)came out of getting one and kept shaking his head and saying, I can't believe I paid $1000 for that and it ended up (he didn't tell me, someone else did) it was mentally singing some tune that only the initiators know and I marveled at how you could be charged for doing something you could have done anyway although who would have thought of doing that?! So, there's no value to learning the mantra from the teacher, and you should just learn it from a book or recording? I mean, perhaps that attitude is correct, but what's the difference between learning a mantra from the teacher and learning some other technique from the teacher? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: American karma (Mocking the Master)
I would say, then, that there must have been enough 'purity' in the atmosphere, enough openness, enough coherent energy, that was able to manifest, in that way. I think the whole miracle thing, has to do with raising the vibration to a higher pitch, and that it is considered a miracle, because these things couldn't be done at a lower vibratory level. That is why the effect of many people meditating and reaching higher states of consciousness, make experiences possible, that would not be possible at lower vibrations. I agree, God does perform the miracle, as he does everything else. It's just that, what is considered a miracle, is usually just an event in which Spirit, takes precedence over matter. Or the 'Timeless' takes precedence over time. It's just something that occurs spontaneously when God has a reason to express himself in that way, not only through the Master, but through the student as well, as it creates an experience of Unity. A miracle is a two-way street; A miracle is a participatory event; It's not a sideshow. Sure, but Moses performed miracles in responseto challenges by Pharoh's court magicians. I don't think that its IMPOSSIBLE to perform miracles before doubters. Certainly Thomas was presented with one... The request for miracles from a doubter or mocker is experienced in Unity Conciousness as a request from the small self to have dominion over the Self. Since this is an impossibility in UC, the request will always be denied. The so-called 'master' is the source of the problem of needing miracles, to wit, if he hadn't claimed to be a master then nobody would request miracles. In the Christian tradition, 'tis God who performs the miracle. As for siddhis, one need notbe a master to perform one, or at least, one need not be a permanent master to perform one. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] 'Clarification of the Use of Aum..'
Just wanted to clarify what I had said about adding Aum to a mantra string. I myself, still use the mantra given by Maharishi, for my regular meditation, as this is the most effective way for me to transcend. The use of these other mantras and the use of Aum, has been an interest of mine, and at times, has provided me with insights, and ability to attune to certain vibrations. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: American karma (Concerning Moses, Thomas...')
Also, in regard to miracles being an expression of Unity: Both Moses and Thomas were in the presence of their peers, and in both instances it seems, both audiences were pre-disposed to receiving the experience of Unity, from someone they regarded as an equal. In Jesus' case, he was a Jew, and in those days, a Roman citizen would be regarded as higher caste, than a Jew; Pariculary, one who was related to the Roman heirarchy, and the notion of Caesar being a 'God'. Therefore, Jesus, was just regarded as 'just another Jew', and there was no room for miracles there, in that bloody place. Like Mr. Springstien, so eloquently sang; Ain't no Angels, gonna greet me, Just you and I, my friend. And the pain don't hurt me no more, On the streets of Philadelphia... I agree, God does perform the miracle, as he does everything else. It's just that, what is considered a miracle, is usually just an event in which Spirit, takes precedence over matter. Or the 'Timeless' takes precedence over time. It's just something that occurs spontaneously when God has a reason to express himself in that way, not only through the Master, but through the student as well, as it creates an experience of Unity. A miracle is a two-way street; A miracle is a participatory event; It's not a sideshow. Sure, but Moses performed miracles in responseto challenges by Pharoh's court magicians. I don't think that its IMPOSSIBLE to perform miracles before doubters. Certainly Thomas was presented with one... The request for miracles from a doubter or mocker is experienced in Unity Conciousness as a request from the small self to have dominion over the Self. Since this is an impossibility in UC, the request will always be denied. The so-called 'master' is the source of the problem of needing miracles, to wit, if he hadn't claimed to be a master then nobody would request miracles. In the Christian tradition, 'tis God who performs the miracle. As for siddhis, one need notbe a master to perform one, or at least, one need not be a permanent master to perform one. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just flat out hate his guts. I don't. The crazier he gets in the last days of his life, the more I miss the person who seem genuinely happy teaching individuals to meditate in the early days. The more grandiose and irrational his dying schemes, the sadder I feel for the loss of the Maha- rishi who was once happy teaching basic meditation to basic people. The more he sets up horrible karmas for himself in the Bardo, the sorrier for him I feel, and the sadder I feel for the lost opportunities he squandered by feeding his own ego. Maharishi isn't to be hated; he's to be pitied. And even now he can still be useful to the spiritual seeker as a living lesson in how not to make the same mistakes in our own lives. For the latter, we can and should still be grateful. I don't even pity MMY. When I try to figure out my feelings towards him, the result is blank. But intellectually I like to analyse his behaviour and I can see him to fulfil an important function as a conman gone crazy. He has deserved that important role. It is vital to understand that even `enlightened' people can behave like that. Especially those we can see as enlightened often do. When they are driven to expose the other side of themselves , there is nothing to pity about. I have seen this happen elsewhere too and it makes me feel that there is deep justice in Nature's functioning that helps us or forces us to evolve. We freemasons consider it to be the worst kind of humiliation to be rejected as a morally and ethically untrustworthy person. Irmeli Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just flat out hate his guts. I don't. The crazier he gets in the last days of his life, the more I miss the person who seem genuinely happy teaching individuals to meditate in the early days. The more grandiose and irrational his dying schemes, the sadder I feel for the loss of the Maha- rishi who was once happy teaching basic meditation to basic people. The more he sets up horrible karmas for himself in the Bardo, the sorrier for him I feel, and the sadder I feel for the lost opportunities he squandered by feeding his own ego. Maharishi isn't to be hated; he's to be pitied. And even now he can still be useful to the spiritual seeker as a living lesson in how not to make the same mistakes in our own lives. For the latter, we can and should still be grateful. I don't even pity MMY. When I try to figure out my feelings towards him, the result is blank. But intellectually I like to analyse his behaviour and I can see him to fulfil an important function as a conman gone crazy. He has deserved that important role. It is vital to understand that even `enlightened' people can behave like that. Especially those we can see as enlightened often do. When they are driven to expose the other side of themselves , there is nothing to pity about. I have seen this happen elsewhere too and it makes me feel that there is deep justice in Nature's functioning that helps us or forces us to evolve. We freemasons consider it to be the worst kind of humiliation to be rejected as a morally and ethically untrustworthy person. Irmeli And you're certain that MMY fits this description? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Trip to Holland
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- Forwarded Message From: Michael Jansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 05:10:05 -0400 Subject: Trip to Holland Aug. 12, 2005 Dear Friends, big snip On the 20th, Maharishi met with Purusha and gave us some very inspiring information on projects in progress and sent us blissfully to bed. *** I wonder if they really met MMY in person or did that meeting happen also through videoconference? big snip He is even more powerful than he was 9 years ago. *** I wonder how does MMY spend his time if it was nine years time span between him meeting with his very loyal disciples? Irmeli Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just flat out hate his guts. I don't. The crazier he gets in the last days of his life, the more I miss the person who seem genuinely happy teaching individuals to meditate in the early days. The more grandiose and irrational his dying schemes, the sadder I feel for the loss of the Maha- rishi who was once happy teaching basic meditation to basic people. The more he sets up horrible karmas for himself in the Bardo, the sorrier for him I feel, and the sadder I feel for the lost opportunities he squandered by feeding his own ego. Maharishi isn't to be hated; he's to be pitied. And even now he can still be useful to the spiritual seeker as a living lesson in how not to make the same mistakes in our own lives. For the latter, we can and should still be grateful. I don't even pity MMY. When I try to figure out my feelings towards him, the result is blank. But intellectually I like to analyse his behaviour and I can see him to fulfil an important function as a conman gone crazy. He has deserved that important role. It is vital to understand that even `enlightened' people can behave like that. Especially those we can see as enlightened often do. When they are driven to expose the other side of themselves , there is nothing to pity about. I have seen this happen elsewhere too and it makes me feel that there is deep justice in Nature's functioning that helps us or forces us to evolve. We freemasons consider it to be the worst kind of humiliation to be rejected as a morally and ethically untrustworthy person. Irmeli And you're certain that MMY fits this description? *** Why not? Irmeli Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [...] We freemasons consider it to be the worst kind of humiliation to be rejected as a morally and ethically untrustworthy person. Irmeli And you're certain that MMY fits this description? *** Why not? You're making the accusation. You tell me. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Trip to Holland
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- Forwarded Message From: Michael Jansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 05:10:05 -0400 Subject: Trip to Holland Aug. 12, 2005 Dear Friends, big snip On the 20th, Maharishi met with Purusha and gave us some very inspiring information on projects in progress and sent us blissfully to bed. *** I wonder if they really met MMY in person or did that meeting happen also through videoconference? big snip He is even more powerful than he was 9 years ago. *** I wonder how does MMY spend his time if it was nine years time span between him meeting with his very loyal disciples? One wonders why you care... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [...] We freemasons consider it to be the worst kind of humiliation to be rejected as a morally and ethically untrustworthy person. Irmeli And you're certain that MMY fits this description? *** Why not? You're making the accusation. You tell me. It is a fact that MMY is publicly seen this way. I have difficulties even mentioning my friends that I'm involved in a chat group where TMO also presents itself and its agendas, so bad is its reputation. And that is also how I see it, even if I can see also a bigger picture, where MMY fulfils an important function, as I wrote in my comment earlier. How do you think he has earned that kind of reputation? Reputation has to be earned, hasn't it? Dalai Lama has managed to create a good reputation. Have you any idea why? Or is this all some rude injustice from nature's side. Or maybe people are SO STUPID and you could also blame kali yuga. Anyway this is how things are. Irmeli Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'An American Mother Loses Her Son' by Norman Lear
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip P.S. I see now that The Sheehan Family has issued a statement distancing them from Mrs. Sheehan, because they support the troops, our country, and our President FWIW, the seemingly all-encompassing term the Sheehan Family refers, according to Cindy Sheehan, to her in-laws on Casey's father's side and several other members of that side of the family. She and this set of grandparents had been at odds politically for some time; they stopped speaking when the grandparents voted for Bush in 2004 after Casey was killed. Don't know about the other side of the family, but the *immediate* family supports Cindy. None of the family members on whose behalf the statement was issued actually signed it by name, interestingly. The person who distributed it did give her name, claiming to be Casey's godmother. Cindy Sheehan says it's her sister- in-law. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Trip to Holland
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- Forwarded Message From: Michael Jansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 05:10:05 -0400 Subject: Trip to Holland Aug. 12, 2005 Dear Friends, big snip On the 20th, Maharishi met with Purusha and gave us some very inspiring information on projects in progress and sent us blissfully to bed. *** I wonder if they really met MMY in person or did that meeting happen also through videoconference? big snip He is even more powerful than he was 9 years ago. *** I wonder how does MMY spend his time if it was nine years time span between him meeting with his very loyal disciples? One wonders why you care... I do care or at least I'm curious. I'm intellectually intrigued to understand better this MMY and TMO phenomenon. Irmeli Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 14, 2005, at 11:21 AM, Bhairitu wrote: Any other guru would be able to clearly delineate the historical origins of a teaching. If they can't then they are suspect. Thank you. I've said this over and over. Many just don't get it but it really important to know the where's and how's of your transmissions. TM is one of the few that do not tell you really any details. In fact it appears M. has pretty much hidden his childhood from history. Almost every other group, from Swami Rama to SYDA to Yogananda all give detailed histories. So where's the detailed history of Jesus' childhood? What about Gurudev's? Hey sparaig, we're on the same side of the fence on this one. All this crap about lineages is absurd. It's all mental masturbation to puff your spiritual ego up. The value of a teaching has nothing to do with lineages and who's guru's guru's guru had the biggest dick, but the direct impact that teaching has on your own Realization. Nothing else matters. You only know the value of a teaching if you follow it for some time and DIRECTLY experience what it does. Titles are for spiritual materialists (obviously the lowest form of life on the planet ;-). It's really peculiar. MMY brings out a technique that, according to him, is his revival of an oral teaching that has been lost for many centuries, and folks demand to know its detailed history right down to the present. It's a little like asking Einstein who told him about the theory of relativity... (Not *exactly* like that, obviously, but the closest thing I can think of.) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: American karma (Mocking the Master)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree, God does perform the miracle, as he does everything else. It's just that, what is considered a miracle, is usually just an event in which Spirit, takes precedence over matter. Or the 'Timeless' takes precedence over time. It's just something that occurs spontaneously when God has a reason to express himself in that way, not only through the Master, but through the student as well, as it creates an experience of Unity. A miracle is a two-way street; A miracle is a participatory event; It's not a sideshow. Sure, but Moses performed miracles in responseto challenges by Pharoh's court magicians. I don't think that its IMPOSSIBLE to perform miracles before doubters. Certainly Thomas was presented with one... If, as MMY and the Gita say, the enlightened person does nothing on his/her own, then it's Nature--the three gunas--that is responsible for the miracle. The enlightened person cannot perform it unless Nature wants them to; and Nature's reasons for doing or not-doing something are unfathomable. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
On Aug 14, 2005, at 11:30 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: On some level, isn't Maharishi, regardless of what our thoughts of him may be, irrelevant to the practice of TM? Maybe it depends on whether karma and lineage/tradition has meaning for you. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 14, 2005, at 11:21 AM, Bhairitu wrote: Any other guru would be able to clearly delineate the historical origins of a teaching. If they can't then they are suspect. Thank you. I've said this over and over. Many just don't get it but it really important to know the where's and how's of your transmissions. TM is one of the few that do not tell you really any details. In fact it appears M. has pretty much hidden his childhood from history. Almost every other group, from Swami Rama to SYDA to Yogananda all give detailed histories. So where's the detailed history of Jesus' childhood? What about Gurudev's? Hey sparaig, we're on the same side of the fence on this one. All this crap about lineages is absurd. It's all mental masturbation to puff your spiritual ego up. The value of a teaching has nothing to do with lineages and who's guru's guru's guru had the biggest dick, but the direct impact that teaching has on your own Realization. Nothing else matters. You only know the value of a teaching if you follow it for some time and DIRECTLY experience what it does. Titles are for spiritual materialists (obviously the lowest form of life on the planet ;-). Titles? We don't need no stinkin' titles! (For that matter, we don't need no stinkin' badges either) :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
On Aug 15, 2005, at 1:02 AM, sparaig wrote: So where's the detailed history of Jesus' childhood? What about Gurudev's? M. is still alive, the others are dust. Why hasn't a student asked? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Independent TM Teachers (Re: I Hate Maharishi)
I tell my students that I am not longer a part of the TMO and why. (because of the course-fee). I tell them about the Vedic Tradition and that MMY brought TM to the West. I think we can discuss what came first - the hen or the egg - over and over again. Who let who down. I cannot be a part of an organisation that is so far from my values any more, and MMY set the standards for the TMO. I have nothing against MMY as a Human Being, but I do not like some of his actions, as mentioned in other mails. One TM-Teacher participated in Guru Purnima this summer, seing MMY on the big screen. and said that MMY now looks very, very old. And I usually respect old people. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At that time I was very devoted to MMY. I did not agree with the new course-fees and did not want to sign a new agreement form, that is why I was kicked out of the TMO in Norway. It took me some years to work through the whole process, and in that time I started to ask critical questions about the TMO and MMY, because I needed to understand what was going on. Now, I can see it was a very good thing that happened, because I had to think for myself, not only lean back and follow blindly. Ingegerd But again, you have said that you have no respect for MMY or the TMO. Why shouldn't the TMO say that you have let MMY down? Do you inform your students that you no longer respect the guy who taught you how to teach meditation? Seems to me like that might be an important thing for a meditation student to know: their teacher no longer respects her OWN teacher -the one that taught her what she is teaching them. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The TMO in Norway tried to make a lot of fuss about that I teach people outside the TMO, with threats and Lawyers and everything. One day I received a message on my answering machine from the International TMO in Holland, they wanted to talk to me. I send them an e-mail and said don't talk to me, talk to my Lawyer, and gave them his name and phonenumber. I did not hear anything more. The TMO used every dirty means to try to stop me, using old TM- Teachers, they spread lies about me to Sidhas etc. They mentioned me on WPAs as a very bad example because I let MMY down. It was really an interesting process. I think that is an experience many Independent TM-Teachers had, and that is one reason that many TM- Teachers initiate in secret, and do not go out openly. Ingegerd You have indicated that you have *absolutely* no respect for MMY, so how is it a lie to say that you have let MMY down? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: American karma (Mocking the Master)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree, God does perform the miracle, as he does everything else. It's just that, what is considered a miracle, is usually just an event in which Spirit, takes precedence over matter. Or the 'Timeless' takes precedence over time. It's just something that occurs spontaneously when God has a reason to express himself in that way, not only through the Master, but through the student as well, as it creates an experience of Unity. A miracle is a two-way street; A miracle is a participatory event; It's not a sideshow. Sure, but Moses performed miracles in responseto challenges by Pharoh's court magicians. I don't think that its IMPOSSIBLE to perform miracles before doubters. Certainly Thomas was presented with one... For all I know, neither Moses nor Thomas really existed. I *have* seen that miracles can occur with doubters *if* their hearts are deep-down open to grace, or malleable to surrender (unity), or innocent -- however we wish to put it. If they have a whole lot invested in the miracle's not happening, the miracle probably won't happen -- this too is grace :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
On Aug 15, 2005, at 1:09 AM, sparaig wrote: Why do YOU care about caste laws in India, when even the INdians can't make up their minds in this situation? I could care less. It's interesting to watch the he's THIS, no, he's THIS thing perpetuated my M.'s silence and the fear of his students to ask him the tension breaking question(s). Why the fear? Interesting to watch Rajneesh essentially call M. a nigger and challenge him to drink at the same water fountain. No wonder he hid in his hotel. TMO keeps perpetuating it's own stories. Gotta love the lila but someone should shatter the tension. It's like an uncomfortable silence in the room that extends over decades. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Trip to Holland
I wonder if they really met MMY in person or did that meeting happen also through videoconference? According to the TM-Teacher that I know who spent the whole time in Vlodrop, they only met MMY through video conferance. Ingegerd Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Independent TM Teachers (Re: I Hate Maharishi)
Yes, and also you would have been kicked out anyway. - Original Message - From: Ingegerd To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 1:24 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Independent TM Teachers (Re: I Hate Maharishi) At that time I was very devoted to MMY. I did not agree with the new course-fees and did not want to sign a new agreement form, that is why I was kicked out of the TMO in Norway. It took me some years to work through the whole process, and in that time I started to ask critical questions about the TMO and MMY, because I needed to understand what was going on.Now, I can see it was a very good thing that happened, because I had to think for myself, not only lean back and follow blindly.Ingegerd--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The TMO in Norway tried to make a lot of fuss about that I teach people outside the TMO, with threats and Lawyers and everything. One day I received a message on my answering machine from the International TMO in Holland, they wanted to talk to me. I send them an e-mail and said "don't talk to me, talk to my Lawyer", and gave them his name and phonenumber. I did not hear anything more. The TMO used every dirty means to try to stop me, using old TM- Teachers, they spread lies about me to Sidhas etc. They mentioned me on WPAs as a very bad example because I let MMY down. It was really an interesting process. I think that is an experience many Independent TM-Teachers had, and that is one reason that many TM- Teachers initiate in secret, and do not go out openly. Ingegerd You have indicated that you have *absolutely* no respect for MMY, so how is it a lie to say that you have "let MMY down?" To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
On Aug 15, 2005, at 2:26 AM, Peter wrote: All this crap about lineages is absurd. So you'll be leaving out the invocation of the lineage next time you initiate someone? THAT would make an interesting study...those who got the initiation WITH the lineage invocation, those who got it WITHOUT. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re:The last Advanced Technique:'Om'?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From my understanding and experience, it's important to get initiated into TM at the beginning, because of the precise way Maharishi, has structured the teaching, and the necessity of the principle of effortlessness, which needs to be checked post initiation. After learning the technique, I suppose the advanced techniques, are given in the same way, to continue to invoke the Masters of the Holy Tradition, and to give thanks for the knowledge. But, once someone has experience transcending, and also, experiencing witnessing, and the more subtle aspects of the knowledge and experience, then it's a whole different ball game. That's the whole point of becoming enlightened and becoming a Master yourself. At some point you trust you intuition enough, to know what's good for you and what is not. As far as the use of Aum. According to Monier-Williams, mantras with /aum/ are for /shuudras/. From the linguistic point of view, we guess /aum/ can be considered the /vRddhi-grade/ of /om/ which in its turn may be contraction of a + u + m ! ~;0 u = u (normal grade; e.g. 'su' = to press) a + u = o (guNa grade; e.g. 'soma') aa + u = au (vRddhi grade; e.g. 'saumya' = relating to 'soma') Again, this is my understanding: Aum is the basic sound of the absolute. Aum is the alpha and omega. Aum is the beginning and the end. Aum is good to do out loud, in a group or by yourself; it can be used for finding your, 'natural voice' as in singing, and can be used to strengthen the voice. Aum can also be added to a given Mantra, to complete the Mantra string. Like: Aum Shri Shivayai Namah Aum as a salutation to Shiva. A salutation to Shiva, is like a song to Shiva, And depending of the consciousness, and purity of intention, of the repeater of this mantra; will come the result of calling Shiva to you. That is my understanding of the use(s) of Aum, sort of like a period at the end of a sentence; Like the coming back to the simplest state of awareness; Like that; using Aum at the beginning and at the end solidifies the Mantra string. Someone might want to give this one a try during an approaching storm; Aum Shri Indra Namah Aum... Hell here I come but I remember many years ago, when advanced techniques were a mere $1000 and a good friend (initiator)came out of getting one and kept shaking his head and saying, I can't believe I paid $1000 for that and it ended up (he didn't tell me, someone else did) it was mentally singing some tune that only the initiators know and I marveled at how you could be charged for doing something you could have done anyway although who would have thought of doing that?! So, there's no value to learning the mantra from the teacher, and you should just learn it from a book or recording? I mean, perhaps that attitude is correct, but what's the difference between learning a mantra from the teacher and learning some other technique from the teacher? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re:The last Advanced Technique:'Om'?
On Aug 15, 2005, at 8:49 AM, cardemaister wrote: a + u = o (guNa grade; e.g. 'soma') It was always my impression that om was merely an artifact of early sandhi and transliteration schemes of the early British Raj translation period. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
On Aug 15, 2005, at 6:53 AM, authfriend wrote: It's really peculiar. MMY brings out a technique that, according to him, is his revival of an oral teaching that has been lost for many centuries, and folks demand to know its detailed history right down to the present. I don't know about you, but when I was initiated the lineage was given in an invocation during my initiation. It's good to connect the wires before throwing the light switch. Are you sure you're practicing TM ;-)? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
--- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 15, 2005, at 2:26 AM, Peter wrote: All this crap about lineages is absurd. So you'll be leaving out the invocation of the lineage next time you initiate someone? THAT would make an interesting study...those who got the initiation WITH the lineage invocation, those who got it WITHOUT. Not when it's used that way. What I'm talking about is the use of a spiritual lineage as a waking state concept used to validate or invalidate a teaching. It's useless it that sense and just creates spiritual materialism Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Independent TM Teachers (Re: I Hate Maharishi)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At that time I was very devoted to MMY. I did not agree with the new course-fees and did not want to sign a new agreement form, that is why I was kicked out of the TMO in Norway. It took me some years to work through the whole process, and in that time I started to ask critical questions about the TMO and MMY, because I needed to understand what was going on. Now, I can see it was a very good thing that happened, because I had to think for myself, not only lean back and follow blindly. Ingegerd But again, you have said that you have no respect for MMY or the TMO. Why shouldn't the TMO say that you have let MMY down? Do you inform your students that you no longer respect the guy who taught you how to teach meditation? Seems to me like that might be an important thing for a meditation student to know: their teacher no longer respects her OWN teacher -the one that taught her what she is teaching them. That's a contradiction that you see here on FFL all the time. Every aspect of the messenger's ethics and credibility is questioned, but the basic message is not. Sometimes it amazes me. JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
--- Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 14, 2005, at 11:21 AM, Bhairitu wrote: Any other guru would be able to clearly delineate the historical origins of a teaching. If they can't then they are suspect. Thank you. I've said this over and over. Many just don't get it but it really important to know the where's and how's of your transmissions. TM is one of the few that do not tell you really any details. In fact it appears M. has pretty much hidden his childhood from history. Almost every other group, from Swami Rama to SYDA to Yogananda all give detailed histories. So where's the detailed history of Jesus' childhood? What about Gurudev's? Hey sparaig, we're on the same side of the fence on this one. All this crap about lineages is absurd. It's all mental masturbation to puff your spiritual ego up. The value of a teaching has nothing to do with lineages and who's guru's guru's guru had the biggest dick, but the direct impact that teaching has on your own Realization. Nothing else matters. You only know the value of a teaching if you follow it for some time and DIRECTLY experience what it does. Titles are for spiritual materialists (obviously the lowest form of life on the planet ;-). Titles? We don't need no stinkin' titles! (For that matter, we don't need no stinkin' badges either) :-) No badges, no titles...all is calm. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's really peculiar. MMY brings out a technique that, according to him, is his revival of an oral teaching that has been lost for many centuries, and folks demand to know its detailed history right down to the present. It's a little like asking Einstein who told him about the theory of relativity... (Not *exactly* like that, obviously, but the closest thing I can think of.) Pretty close, I reckon. At least, at once removed. Did not Guru Dev spend 30 years in solitude in a cave where he cognised the TM teaching method etc etc etc from the absolute (like Einstein and his theories); then he taught Maharishi. Uns. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Independent TM Teachers (Re: I Hate Maharishi)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: to teach meditation? Seems to me like that might be an important thing for a meditation student to know: their teacher no longer respects her OWN teacher -the one that taught her what she is teaching them. That's a contradiction that you see here on FFL all the time. Every aspect of the messenger's ethics and credibility is questioned, but the basic message is not. Sometimes it amazes me. JohnY You are easily amazed. The basic message isn't questioned because it is first rate. That's why. It's not the product that is at fault; it's some of the packaging and all of the the marketing and administration. Uns. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Independent TM Teachers
Thanks for the info Ingegerd, I've mentioned the word lawyer in a letter to national over some $1600 that the movement owed me and they blacklisted me from courses for about 10 years or so. They did send the money that they owed me. The whole sordid tale is in the archives here. Do you know Vim Van Denberg (spelling?)? I don't remember if he was from Denmark or Norway. He was a TTC course leader of mine in 1975/1976. JohnY Hi JohnY. I do not know Vim Van Denberg - he is certainly not from Norway. The name sounds more as Holland? Maybe Denmark. Ingegerd Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 15, 2005, at 6:53 AM, authfriend wrote: It's really peculiar. MMY brings out a technique that, according to him, is his revival of an oral teaching that has been lost for many centuries, and folks demand to know its detailed history right down to the present. I don't know about you, but when I was initiated the lineage was given in an invocation during my initiation. As you know, that lineage is of the Holy Tradition, not of the technique itself. It's good to connect the wires before throwing the light switch. I refer you to Peter's response: Hey sparaig, we're on the same side of the fence on this one. All this crap about lineages is absurd. It's all mental masturbation to puff your spiritual ego up. The value of a teaching has nothing to do with lineages and who's guru's guru's guru had the biggest dick, but the direct impact that teaching has on your own Realization. Nothing else matters. You only know the value of a teaching if you follow it for some time and DIRECTLY experience what it does. Titles are for spiritual materialists (obviously the lowest form of life on the planet ;-). Are you sure you're practicing TM ;-)? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 15, 2005, at 2:26 AM, Peter wrote: All this crap about lineages is absurd. So you'll be leaving out the invocation of the lineage next time you initiate someone? THAT would make an interesting study...those who got the initiation WITH the lineage invocation, those who got it WITHOUT. On my TTC in 1975, the initiation process was referring to a lineage inside the Shankaracharya Tradition. The explanation was given out in paper. The same with the invocation, that we as old TM-Teachers still use. Later on, I think MMY stopped to give out the explanations in paper. Before in the 60ths, he gave out even more, according to my library. Ingegerd Not when it's used that way. What I'm talking about is the use of a spiritual lineage as a waking state concept used to validate or invalidate a teaching. It's useless it that sense and just creates spiritual materialism Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
On Aug 15, 2005, at 9:25 AM, Peter wrote: --- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 15, 2005, at 2:26 AM, Peter wrote: All this crap about lineages is absurd. So you'll be leaving out the invocation of the lineage next time you initiate someone? THAT would make an interesting study...those who got the initiation WITH the lineage invocation, those who got it WITHOUT. Not when it's used that way. What I'm talking about is the use of a spiritual lineage as a waking state concept used to validate or invalidate a teaching. It's useless it that sense and just creates spiritual materialism I think it probably depends who and what we are talking about. In some cases the guru yoga and the effectiveness of the transmission rely on the lineage tree for flow of blessings and maintaining the live wire of the teaching. It is also what helps the student BECOME the guru rather than remaining as student still hanging around the teacher year after year after year. While many may boo-hoo lineage, there is nothing more helpful than being assisted by those who came before you. I know for a lot of teachers, the invocation is important for them. It's the morphogenetic field behind the teaching. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
--- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip As you know, that lineage is of the Holy Tradition, not of the technique itself. Yes, it is a lineage of consciousness. What particular form the teaching will take is secondary to the Realization that carries the lineage. I like that...the Realization carries the lineage, not the other way around. Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 15, 2005, at 9:25 AM, Peter wrote: --- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 15, 2005, at 2:26 AM, Peter wrote: All this crap about lineages is absurd. So you'll be leaving out the invocation of the lineage next time you initiate someone? THAT would make an interesting study...those who got the initiation WITH the lineage invocation, those who got it WITHOUT. Not when it's used that way. What I'm talking about is the use of a spiritual lineage as a waking state concept used to validate or invalidate a teaching. It's useless it that sense and just creates spiritual materialism I think it probably depends who and what we are talking about. In some cases the guru yoga and the effectiveness of the transmission rely on the lineage tree for flow of blessings and maintaining the live wire of the teaching. It is also what helps the student BECOME the guru rather than remaining as student still hanging around the teacher year after year after year. While many may boo-hoo lineage, there is nothing more helpful than being assisted by those who came before you. I know for a lot of teachers, the invocation is important for them. It's the morphogenetic field behind the teaching. Look at what Peter wrote again. He said explicitly he is not talking about the morphogenetic field notion when he said the crap about lineages is absurd. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
On Aug 15, 2005, at 10:12 AM, authfriend wrote: Look at what Peter wrote again. He said explicitly he is not talking about the morphogenetic field notion when he said the crap about lineages is absurd. Why would I need to look at it again when I know from my own experience how important it is? Why would I want to separate them? It's also helpful in other ways. For example one may find other students of your teachers original teacher and decide to hang with them and see how the current of transmission developed there. Or experience other aspects of the teaching. Personally I would not ignore the interrelatedness, because it really seems that's how things are. It even can be important on a material level. Thus from my perspective those who have used the TMO as a springboard for exploring other aspects of the teaching seems an incredibly healthy way. Now where you have someone selling a technique using phrases such as the Holy Shankaracharya Order to bolster image and name brand and price--yes, then we might agree, there is a downside to spiritual materialistic aspects of line (which the TMO and it's CEO so admirably embody). In many ways the TMO epitomizes Spiritual Materialism--at least in the sense Chogyam Trungpa originally coined the phrase. If it's not important to you and Dr. Pete, that's fine too. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
--- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I think it probably depends who and what we are talking about. In some cases the guru yoga and the effectiveness of the transmission rely on the lineage tree for flow of blessings and maintaining the live wire of the teaching. It is also what helps the student BECOME the guru rather than remaining as student still hanging around the teacher year after year after year. While many may boo-hoo lineage, there is nothing more helpful than being assisted by those who came before you. I know for a lot of teachers, the invocation is important for them. It's the morphogenetic field behind the teaching. The above is interesting. Someone who has been working with SSRS for many years told me an interesting story. He was in India and he walked by a sanyasi. The sanyasi called out Swami-ji When he stopped and turned to the sanyasi, the sanyasi looked at him and said, No, not a swami..you're with Maharishi..no, no.Oh! You're one of Sri Sri's! Perhaps a morphogenetic field effect at work. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 14, 2005, at 11:30 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: On some level, isn't Maharishi, regardless of what our thoughts of him may be, irrelevant to the practice of TM? Maybe it depends on whether karma and lineage/tradition has meaning for you. Yes, very much a personal preference. I don't understand what karma has to do with it though. The TM technique as it is exists freely in a quantum state. We either pick it up, or we don't. Doesn't really matter who 'discovered' or 'uncovered' it this time around. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Evolution Wars
Title: Evolution Wars Letter I wrote to the editor of TIME in response to their current cover story on the Evolution/Creationism/Intelligent Design debate: I have yet to hear in the evolution/creationism debate the consideration that for some, God is not a concept in which to believe or disbelieve, but a direct experience more real than any other. Saints and mystics in every religious tradition and some independent of any tradition have been capable of directly cognizing subtler realities which others could only accept or reject through faith or logic. To them, the intelligent governance of the universe is self evident. Ancient books are superfluous. They perceive that infinite intelligence permeates every grain of creation. From this perspective, the existence of God is perfectly compatible with gradual, incremental change over millions of years. But natural selection is not random. It is a mechanism through which infinite intelligence achives fuller, more complex expressions of itself. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi/I Love Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Back in the '70s I remember MMY saying on a tape (in reference to setting up TM): I could have made it a religion...well, somewhere along the way -- somewhere in between 1975 and today -- he DID make it a religion...and I'm not referring to TM but to the TMO. Anyone One of the most emotional speeches I heard while I was at MIU, back around the time of the Court Case; where TM was being taught in several New Jersey schools with great success, and some Christian Religious group from California, protested that you can't teach TM in Public Schools, because it's a religion; The ultimately got the Puja, translated and proclaimed it to be a religion, in Court, in Philadelphia Superior Fed. Court; and it was decided not to pursue the matter any further. Anyway, Jerry Jarvis, made a very angry speech, saying how stupid were the powers that be and more or less said that they had condemned the school system to failure, in the United States, which we can see has been fairly accurate. At that time, I could sense the attitude of the movement shifting toward the stance that it has now; Instead of working with the established system, the movement regards the established system, whether it be educational, spiritual, political, or economic as basically retarded. In this vain, the attitude is now, that the movement has structured it's own reality, in a world that is quite insane, in order to stand out. Let's face it, in an enlightened world, who cares how strange the people in the movement seem to be, If they want to fly in the dome 24 hours a day, I say: Go for It! I was also at MIU as a student at that time. I remember looking at the curriculum book that the TMO had set up for the New Jersey High School students. Very beautiful book with beautiful photographs of sunsets etc. to demonstrate the power of C.I. etc. The only problem was that you could replace the word absolute that the Movement used in the book with the word God and it would have meant exactly the same thing...so if the court didn't catch the TMO on the puja they would have caught them on the book which was set up in such a way that it DID violate the separation of church and state. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
Pretty close, I reckon. At least, at once removed.Did not Guru Dev spend 30 years in solitude in a cave where he cognised the TM teaching method etcetc etc from the absolute (like Einstein and histheories); then he taught Maharishi.Uns.---The four Shankaracharya seats each have a presiding deity. In the North they practice on Sri Vidya. Other seats might be more Shiva or more Vishnu. In Guru Devs case he practiced Sri Vidya. The TM technique is merely silent mental repetition of the sanskrit sounds of Shakti. Maharishi dummied down the Sri Vidya technique for quick teaching and sales. Sort of like taking a woman and instead of letting her find true love and a deep relationship with someone, instead handling her like property and selling quickies. The real path has never really been taught. The tantric path of union with the Divine Mother. that's what we do in TM. The mantra is the mudra or one with whom we practice union. The mantra is the element of divine pragya, but who knows this? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 15, 2005, at 10:12 AM, authfriend wrote: Look at what Peter wrote again. He said explicitly he is not talking about the morphogenetic field notion when he said the crap about lineages is absurd. Why would I need to look at it again when I know from my own experience how important it is? Why would I want to separate them? Non sequitur. You were defending the importance of the morphogenetic field as if Peter had dismissed it, when he had not. Hence my suggestion that you reread what he wrote. It's also helpful in other ways. For example one may find other students of your teachers original teacher and decide to hang with them and see how the current of transmission developed there. Or experience other aspects of the teaching. Personally I would not ignore the interrelatedness, because it really seems that's how things are. It even can be important on a material level. The discussion, Vaj, was about the notion that it was *essential* for a teaching to have a traceable lineage; TM was being criticized for not having one. Hence Peter's comment that he thought the insistence on a lineage was absurd. That's the point of disagreement, not the morphogenetic issue. I haven't seen anyone disagree with that. snip Now where you have someone selling a technique using phrases such as the Holy Shankaracharya Order to bolster image and name brand and price--yes, then we might agree, there is a downside to spiritual materialistic aspects of line (which the TMO and it's CEO so admirably embody). Uh-huh. Except I don't believe TM is sold using such phrases. Guru Dev is mentioned in the intro lecture, and the fact that the puja is addressed to the masters of the Holy Tradition is mentioned, but neither is used as a selling point. In many ways the TMO epitomizes Spiritual Materialism--at least in the sense Chogyam Trungpa originally coined the phrase. If it's not important to you and Dr. Pete, that's fine too. What's not important to me and Dr. Pete is the idea that a teaching must have a traceable lineage. It may perhaps be useful in some circumstances, but as Peter said, to validate or invalidate it by that criterion is just silly. That would mean no new teaching could ever be considered valid. And it's just plain *ridiculous* to demand that MMY specify the transmission details of the technique itself, given his claim to have revived it after it had been lost for many centuries. In effect, especially given that it's an oral teaching, TM is brand new. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
The above is interesting. Someone who has been workingwith SSRS for many years told me an interesting story.He was in India and he walked by a sanyasi. Thesanyasi called out "Swami-ji" When he stopped andturned to the sanyasi, the sanyasi looked at him andsaid, "No, not a swami..you're withMaharishi..no, no.Oh! You're one of SriSri's!" Perhaps a morphogenetic field effect at work.More likely he could see the akasha tattva. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
Yes, it is a lineage of consciousness. What particularform the teaching will take is secondary to theRealization that carries the lineage. I likethat...the Realization carries the lineage, not theother way around.-You might like that, but just because I take plugs of yopo in the nostrils and trip on the jaguar doesn't mean I am a Mayan. Just because I learn mantra japa from Sri Sri doesn't mean I am in TM lineage. If I learn mantra japa from a fallen TM teacher am I in TM lineage and am I in the Holy Tradition? There is a guru though for such upstart traditions, if one cognizes him, and that is Dattatreya. If I teach my Bhagalamukhi Mahavidya sadhana to someone and they ask who my lineage isI will tell them Dattatreya. The fact that I was initiated into Dattatreya lineage is besides the point. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi/I Love Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Back in the '70s I remember MMY saying on a tape (in reference to setting up TM): I could have made it a religion...well, somewhere along the way -- somewhere in between 1975 and today -- he DID make it a religion...and I'm not referring to TM but to the TMO. Anyone One of the most emotional speeches I heard while I was at MIU, back around the time of the Court Case; where TM was being taught in several New Jersey schools with great success, and some Christian Religious group from California, protested that you can't teach TM in Public Schools, because it's a religion; The ultimately got the Puja, translated and proclaimed it to be a religion, in Court, in Philadelphia Superior Fed. Court; and it was decided not to pursue the matter any further. Anyway, Jerry Jarvis, made a very angry speech, saying how stupid were the powers that be and more or less said that they had condemned the school system to failure, in the United States, which we can see has been fairly accurate. At that time, I could sense the attitude of the movement shifting toward the stance that it has now; Instead of working with the established system, the movement regards the established system, whether it be educational, spiritual, political, or economic as basically retarded. In this vain, the attitude is now, that the movement has structured it's own reality, in a world that is quite insane, in order to stand out. Let's face it, in an enlightened world, who cares how strange the people in the movement seem to be, If they want to fly in the dome 24 hours a day, I say: Go for It! I was also at MIU as a student at that time. I remember looking at the curriculum book that the TMO had set up for the New Jersey High School students. Very beautiful book with beautiful photographs of sunsets etc. to demonstrate the power of C.I. etc. The only problem was that you could replace the word absolute that the Movement used in the book with the word God and it would have meant exactly the same thing...so if the court didn't catch the TMO on the puja they would have caught them on the book which was set up in such a way that it DID violate the separation of church and state. Yes and no. The appeals court judge who wrote a long concurring opinion, incidentally, discussed exactly this point. It's very interesting reading; it's been posted to alt.m.t a couple of times. If anybody wants to read it, let me know and I'll dig up the URLs. But you could be a hard-core atheist, in the sense of rejecting the forms of God proclaimed by the religions, and still find the idea of the Absolute entirely compatible with your beliefs. You can teach metaphysics, in other words, without actually teaching religion. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
On Aug 15, 2005, at 11:05 AM, authfriend wrote: And it's just plain *ridiculous* to demand that MMY specify the transmission details of the technique itself, given his claim to have revived it after it had been lost for many centuries. In effect, especially given that it's an oral teaching, TM is brand new. I don't think anyone is demanding it. He didn't share it, so it's naturally suspicious to some who are used to a greater level of sharing between teacher and student. Some just do as they're told. That would be just too Milgram-esque for me personally. milgram's 37 we do what we're told we do what we're told we do what we're told told to do we do what we're told we do what we're told we do what we're told told to do one doubt one voice one war one truth one dream -Peter Gabriel Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 14, 2005, at 5:48 PM, uns_tressor wrote: I thought that Om was a mantra suited to the monastic life rather than to householders. Uns. It might be time for the MMY and Guru Dev OM FAQ. Yes indeed. I didn't really follow that thread and would appreciate an edited summary of its arguments. If anyone does it, thanks! - Patrick Gillam Why not just use it once as a mantra for 10 or 20 min. and see what happens? So you think that the detrimental effects of a mantra, assuming there are any,would be immediately noticable to anyone? Of this FFL group? Yes. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
On Aug 15, 2005, at 10:47 AM, Peter wrote: Someone who has been working with SSRS for many years told me an interesting story. He was in India and he walked by a sanyasi. The sanyasi called out Swami-ji When he stopped and turned to the sanyasi, the sanyasi looked at him and said, No, not a swami..you're with Maharishi..no, no.Oh! You're one of Sri Sri's! Perhaps a morphogenetic field effect at work. Yeah, it's considered part of the realization of the illusory body, once you have that realization, you just see the initiation symbols on the illusory body of others. Even people who do not have that realization sometimes see it. I know of at least two people who have looked at the Dalai Lama during initiations and seen him in his transformation form as the deity Kalachakra. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate - Lineages
The common understanding of the 1000s of initiators made in the 60s and 70s was that MMY was given the knowledge of TM from Guru Dev and that the knowledge regarding mantras, selection of mantras, and instruction in TM had been preserved orally by the Holy Tradition and that is why we always do puja as part of instruction in TM. W/o going into specifics, initiators know that prior to puja we tell the student that the meditation they're about to learn comes from the gentleman whose photo in on the puja table, and that photo isn't MMY's. It was only as time passed that people began to realize that guru dev probably didn't do TM or teach it to MMY and that MMY probably made it up himself (lots of theories on how and when) and then the concept promoted in this thread that actually it's just the realization that had been passed on by GD to MMY. I don't care that much about lineages as I don't really understand them esoterically, but I agree that it's very odd that MMY has been so vague as to where the specific practice TM came from. Why?? Scientifically proven benefits may have been the main selling pt for TM, but the tradition behind TM was clearly a secondary selling pt. It's a specific pt in the prep. lecture to mention that prospective students should take heart that this meditation comes from a 5,000 yr. old tradition and it's beneficial effects well understood on the basis of thousands of yrs of experience. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 15, 2005, at 10:12 AM, authfriend wrote: Look at what Peter wrote again. He said explicitly he is not talking about the morphogenetic field notion when he said the crap about lineages is absurd. Why would I need to look at it again when I know from my own experience how important it is? Why would I want to separate them? Non sequitur. You were defending the importance of the morphogenetic field as if Peter had dismissed it, when he had not. Hence my suggestion that you reread what he wrote. It's also helpful in other ways. For example one may find other students of your teachers original teacher and decide to hang with them and see how the current of transmission developed there. Or experience other aspects of the teaching. Personally I would not ignore the interrelatedness, because it really seems that's how things are. It even can be important on a material level. The discussion, Vaj, was about the notion that it was *essential* for a teaching to have a traceable lineage; TM was being criticized for not having one. Hence Peter's comment that he thought the insistence on a lineage was absurd. That's the point of disagreement, not the morphogenetic issue. I haven't seen anyone disagree with that. snip Now where you have someone selling a technique using phrases such as the Holy Shankaracharya Order to bolster image and name brand and price--yes, then we might agree, there is a downside to spiritual materialistic aspects of line (which the TMO and it's CEO so admirably embody). Uh-huh. Except I don't believe TM is sold using such phrases. Guru Dev is mentioned in the intro lecture, and the fact that the puja is addressed to the masters of the Holy Tradition is mentioned, but neither is used as a selling point. In many ways the TMO epitomizes Spiritual Materialism--at least in the sense Chogyam Trungpa originally coined the phrase. If it's not important to you and Dr. Pete, that's fine too. What's not important to me and Dr. Pete is the idea that a teaching must have a traceable lineage. It may perhaps be useful in some circumstances, but as Peter said, to validate or invalidate it by that criterion is just silly. That would mean no new teaching could ever be considered valid. And it's just plain *ridiculous* to demand that MMY specify the transmission details of the technique itself, given his claim to have revived it after it had been lost for many centuries. In effect, especially given that it's an oral teaching, TM is brand new. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] You cannot be serious
Incidentally, got a call from MMY this morning, thanking me for my statement of support yesterday on the TM newsgroups inviting me for a short break in Vlodrop for a chat and a laugh. He also asked me on a more serious note whether I could bring some Pecan Maple Syrup Pastries but not to let `them' know. I asked him what he meant. He was quiet for a moment and then drew his breath before confiding, `I have my beautiful biography here, and in it you call them, you call THEM... colour, col, colour, colourless saps, hee heehee, that is, that is very, that is very very very very funny, heheee hheee hheee...' and then he called out to someone in the room `... I am talking to my mate in England... Piss off!' Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] You cannot be serious
--- Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Incidentally, got a call from MMY this morning, thanking me for my statement of support yesterday on the TM newsgroups inviting me for a short break in Vlodrop for a chat and a laugh. He also asked me on a more serious note whether I could bring some Pecan Maple Syrup Pastries but not to let `them' know. I asked him what he meant. He was quiet for a moment and then drew his breath before confiding, `I have my beautiful biography here, and in it you call them, you call THEM... colour, col, colour, colourless saps, hee heehee, that is, that is very, that is very very very very funny, heheee hheee hheee...' and then he called out to someone in the room `... I am talking to my mate in England... Piss off!' Really? What fun! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate - Lineages
On Aug 15, 2005, at 12:11 PM, markmeredith2002 wrote: The common understanding of the 1000s of initiators made in the 60s and 70s was that MMY was given the knowledge of TM from Guru Dev and that the knowledge regarding mantras, selection of mantras, and instruction in TM had been preserved orally by the Holy Tradition and that is why we always do puja as part of instruction in TM. W/o going into specifics, initiators know that prior to puja we tell the student that the meditation they're about to learn comes from the gentleman whose photo in on the puja table, and that photo isn't MMY's. Thank you, yes! It was only as time passed that people began to realize that guru dev probably didn't do TM or teach it to MMY and that MMY probably made it up himself (lots of theories on how and when) and then the concept promoted in this thread that actually it's just the realization that had been passed on by GD to MMY. I don't care that much about lineages as I don't really understand them esoterically, but I agree that it's very odd that MMY has been so vague as to where the specific practice TM came from. Why?? That's the question. It's helpful to consider the benefits of knowing *where* TM came from. There are only a certain number of places that contain these mantras. All are tantras, including some of the non-dual anuttara class (e.g. Sri Vidya). If you knew which tantra it came from, you could seek transmission of that volume of practice and full line of transmission. That's an incredible opportunity. This is also why some of us, on finding out that Swami Brahmananda Saraswati was an adept of Sri Vidya, went and sought initiation. Also interesting is that the tantras are caste blind in general--some do contain certain elements to scare away Brahmins and other high caste people, but if these people can drop their limitations, they too can also approach tantra. The point being that irregardless of Mahesh's caste, he could receive initiation into a tantra. He obviously did not and could not become a swami. So knowing these things could be extremely beneficial to TM'ers. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
--- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 15, 2005, at 10:47 AM, Peter wrote: Someone who has been working with SSRS for many years told me an interesting story. He was in India and he walked by a sanyasi. The sanyasi called out Swami-ji When he stopped and turned to the sanyasi, the sanyasi looked at him and said, No, not a swami..you're with Maharishi..no, no.Oh! You're one of Sri Sri's! Perhaps a morphogenetic field effect at work. Yeah, it's considered part of the realization of the illusory body, once you have that realization, you just see the initiation symbols on the illusory body of others. Even people who do not have that realization sometimes see it. I know of at least two people who have looked at the Dalai Lama during initiations and seen him in his transformation form as the deity Kalachakra. So on the other hand..perhaps lineages are important. Like a mantra, a vehicle to ride until it is ultimately transcended. It has its utility until full Realization then it becomes useless for the Realized, but very useful for the seeker. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] You cannot be serious
on 8/15/05 11:16 AM, Premanand Paul Mason at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Incidentally, got a call from MMY this morning, thanking me for my statement of support yesterday on the TM newsgroups inviting me for a short break in Vlodrop for a chat and a laugh. He also asked me on a more serious note whether I could bring some Pecan Maple Syrup Pastries but not to let `them' know. I asked him what he meant. He was quiet for a moment and then drew his breath before confiding, `I have my beautiful biography here, and in it you call them, you call THEM... colour, col, colour, colourless saps, hee heehee, that is, that is very, that is very very very very funny, heheee hheee hheee...' and then he called out to someone in the room `... I am talking to my mate in England... Piss off!' Actually, a friend of mine, who signed up for the recertification thing on a whim after the first course (and thus never had to attend a course to be recertified), got two calls from Maharishi on her home phone. I haven't had a chance to ask her how long the calls lasted and what they discussed, but I'll let you know when I do. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] The Experience of God (was Re: Evolution Wars)
What I would like to ask the people, then, who are (supposedly) experiencing God is how do you know that what you are experiencing is God (which I thought was a concept). A few years ago I had an experience, while driving in my car in the state of Connecticut, came out of nowhere (not the state of CT, my state of mind). All of a sudden I became aware of the infinite, eternal, unbounded nature of creation as it flowed through me, I became part of the flow, it was very very clear, all the words I had ever heard unbounded, infinite, eternal, meant something to me for about five minutes. While this was going on I never thought that I was experiencing something called God. Infinity/eternal-ness/unboundedness, yes, I was experiencing that, it was it's own experience. Is what you are calling the experience of God different from this? Who ascribes definition to the conept of God as it is experienced? Ken --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Letter I wrote to the editor of TIME in response to their current cover story on the Evolution/Creationism/Intelligent Design debate: I have yet to hear in the evolution/creationism debate the consideration that for some, God is not a concept in which to believe or disbelieve, but a direct experience more real than any other. Saints and mystics in every religious tradition and some independent of any tradition have been capable of directly cognizing subtler realities which others could only accept or reject through faith or logic. To them, the intelligent governance of the universe is self evident. Ancient books are superfluous. They perceive that infinite intelligence permeates every grain of creation. From this perspective, the existence of God is perfectly compatible with gradual, incremental change over millions of years. But natural selection is not random. It is a mechanism through which infinite intelligence achives fuller, more complex expressions of itself. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Did anyone attend Krishna Gauci workshop in FF?
Am interested in getting a report on it. Thanks Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 15, 2005, at 11:05 AM, authfriend wrote: And it's just plain *ridiculous* to demand that MMY specify the transmission details of the technique itself, given his claim to have revived it after it had been lost for many centuries. In effect, especially given that it's an oral teaching, TM is brand new. I don't think anyone is demanding it. He didn't share it, so it's naturally suspicious to some who are used to a greater level of sharing between teacher and student. I dunno, Vaj, talking to you can really be difficult. Since there is nothing *for* him to share about the transmission details of the technique--as I just pointed out in the post you're responding to and quote above (i.e., it wasn't transmitted to him in the first place)--how could the fact that he doesn't share nonexistent details of a nonexistent transmission arouse suspicion? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: You cannot be serious
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Incidentally, got a call from MMY this morning, thanking me for my statement of support yesterday on the TM newsgroups inviting me for a short break in Vlodrop for a chat and a laugh. He also asked me on a more serious note whether I could bring some Pecan Maple Syrup Pastries but not to let `them' know. I asked him what he meant. He was quiet for a moment and then drew his breath before confiding, `I have my beautiful biography here, and in it you call them, you call THEM... colour, col, colour, colourless saps, hee heehee, that is, that is very, that is very very very very funny, heheee hheee hheee...' and then he called out to someone in the room `... I am talking to my mate in England... Piss off!' Is this an example of British humour? Well, I got it as much as I got the Monty Python Show from the '70s, which is to say not much at all... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Experience of God (was Re: Evolution Wars)
on 8/15/05 11:51 AM, Kenny H at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All of a sudden I became aware of the infinite, eternal, unbounded nature of creation as it flowed through me, I became part of the flow, it was very very clear, all the words I had ever heard unbounded, infinite, eternal, meant something to me for about five minutes. I experience something like this pretty regularly most days. I think it's a hint of God, but I wouldn't call it a clear experience of God by any means. But I'm sure others have and have had such an experience. Some who have tell me that ultimately the experience of God as an entity or field of intelligence separate from one's Self disappears and then God is nowhere to be found, ever again. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Did anyone attend Krishna Gauci workshop in FF?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am interested in getting a report on it. Thanks I didn't attend the Krishna Gauci workshop but I did have dinner at the Hare Krishna Temple last night. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] The Experience of God (was Re: Evolution Wars)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kenny H [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I would like to ask the people, then, who are (supposedly) experiencing God is how do you know that what you are experiencing is God (which I thought was a concept). A few years ago I had an experience, while driving in my car in the state of Connecticut, came out of nowhere (not the state of CT, my state of mind). All of a sudden I became aware of the infinite, eternal, unbounded nature of creation as it flowed through me, I became part of the flow, it was very very clear, all the words I had ever heard unbounded, infinite, eternal, meant something to me for about five minutes. While this was going on I never thought that I was experiencing something called God. Infinity/eternal-ness/unboundedness, yes, I was experiencing that, it was it's own experience. Is what you are calling the experience of God different from this? Who ascribes definition to the conept of God as it is experienced? Yeah, I would say that what you experienced was God. And isn't it a self-referral experience? The experience is what it is and it speaks entirely for itself... Ken --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Letter I wrote to the editor of TIME in response to their current cover story on the Evolution/Creationism/Intelligent Design debate: I have yet to hear in the evolution/creationism debate the consideration that for some, God is not a concept in which to believe or disbelieve, but a direct experience more real than any other. Saints and mystics in every religious tradition and some independent of any tradition have been capable of directly cognizing subtler realities which others could only accept or reject through faith or logic. To them, the intelligent governance of the universe is self evident. Ancient books are superfluous. They perceive that infinite intelligence permeates every grain of creation. From this perspective, the existence of God is perfectly compatible with gradual, incremental change over millions of years. But natural selection is not random. It is a mechanism through which infinite intelligence achives fuller, more complex expressions of itself. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi/I Love Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The only problem was that you could replace the word absolute that the Movement used in the book with the word God and it would have meant exactly the same thing...so if the court didn't catch the TMO on the puja they would have caught them on the book which was set up in such a way that it DID violate the separation of church and state. Yes and no. The appeals court judge who wrote a long concurring opinion, incidentally, discussed exactly this point. It's very interesting reading; it's been posted to alt.m.t a couple of times. If anybody wants to read it, let me know and I'll dig up the URLs. But you could be a hard-core atheist, in the sense of rejecting the forms of God proclaimed by the religions, and still find the idea of the Absolute entirely compatible with your beliefs. You can teach metaphysics, in other words, without actually teaching religion. What I found objectionable in the high school book was the way that the absolute's attributes were declared as fact. If they had only treated it like a scientific theory that had YET been proven instead of as fact, then I think it would have passed muster. (Scientific theories are never proven, Shemp.) I never saw the book, so I don't know what the wording was that you object to. But TMers are supposed to be able to verify all of it for themselves in their own experience. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
On Aug 15, 2005, at 1:11 PM, authfriend wrote: I dunno, Vaj, talking to you can really be difficult. That's because when we come to your house and ask Judy to come out and play, she never wants to leave her TMO mental-concept box! Since there is nothing *for* him to share about the transmission details of the technique--as I just pointed out in the post you're responding to and quote above (i.e., it wasn't transmitted to him in the first place)--how could the fact that he doesn't share nonexistent details of a nonexistent transmission arouse suspicion? How could there be nothing? Are you using the True Believer he cognized them card? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate - Lineages
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The common understanding of the 1000s of initiators made in the 60s and 70s was that MMY was given the knowledge of TM from Guru Dev and that the knowledge regarding mantras, selection of mantras, and instruction in TM had been preserved orally by the Holy Tradition and that is why we always do puja as part of instruction in TM. W/o going into specifics, initiators know that prior to puja we tell the student that the meditation they're about to learn comes from the gentleman whose photo in on the puja table, and that photo isn't MMY's. It was only as time passed that people began to realize that guru dev probably didn't do TM or teach it to MMY and that MMY probably made it up himself (lots of theories on how and when) and then the concept promoted in this thread that actually it's just the realization that had been passed on by GD to MMY. I don't care that much about lineages as I don't really understand them esoterically, but I agree that it's very odd that MMY has been so vague as to where the specific practice TM came from. Why?? Apparently you haven't read the post reproducing the Larry Domash essay I referenced earlier today, or you wouldn't think it was odd at all. Here's the URL again: http://tinyurl.com/c3owb Scientifically proven benefits may have been the main selling pt for TM, but the tradition behind TM was clearly a secondary selling pt. It's a specific pt in the prep. lecture to mention that prospective students should take heart that this meditation comes from a 5,000 yr. old tradition and it's beneficial effects well understood on the basis of thousands of yrs of experience. That's true, but I was commenting on Vaj's assertion about selling a technique using phrases such as 'the Holy Shankaracharya Order.' It's hard to think of the very vague reference you cite as a lineage per se. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 15, 2005, at 10:12 AM, authfriend wrote: Look at what Peter wrote again. He said explicitly he is not talking about the morphogenetic field notion when he said the crap about lineages is absurd. Why would I need to look at it again when I know from my own experience how important it is? Why would I want to separate them? Non sequitur. You were defending the importance of the morphogenetic field as if Peter had dismissed it, when he had not. Hence my suggestion that you reread what he wrote. It's also helpful in other ways. For example one may find other students of your teachers original teacher and decide to hang with them and see how the current of transmission developed there. Or experience other aspects of the teaching. Personally I would not ignore the interrelatedness, because it really seems that's how things are. It even can be important on a material level. The discussion, Vaj, was about the notion that it was *essential* for a teaching to have a traceable lineage; TM was being criticized for not having one. Hence Peter's comment that he thought the insistence on a lineage was absurd. That's the point of disagreement, not the morphogenetic issue. I haven't seen anyone disagree with that. snip Now where you have someone selling a technique using phrases such as the Holy Shankaracharya Order to bolster image and name brand and price--yes, then we might agree, there is a downside to spiritual materialistic aspects of line (which the TMO and it's CEO so admirably embody). Uh-huh. Except I don't believe TM is sold using such phrases. Guru Dev is mentioned in the intro lecture, and the fact that the puja is addressed to the masters of the Holy Tradition is mentioned, but neither is used as a selling point. In many ways the TMO epitomizes Spiritual Materialism--at least in the sense Chogyam Trungpa originally coined the phrase. If it's not important to you and Dr. Pete, that's fine too. What's not important to me and Dr. Pete is the idea that a teaching must have a traceable lineage. It may perhaps be useful in some circumstances, but as Peter said, to validate or invalidate it by that criterion is just silly. That would mean no new teaching could ever be considered valid. And it's just plain *ridiculous* to demand that MMY specify the transmission details of the technique itself, given his claim to have revived it after it had been lost for many centuries. In effect, especially given that it's an oral teaching, TM is brand new. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi/I Love Maharishi...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The only problem was that you could replace the word absolute that the Movement used in the book with the word God and it would have meant exactly the same thing...so if the court didn't catch the TMO on the puja they would have caught them on the book which was set up in such a way that it DID violate the separation of church and state. Yes and no. The appeals court judge who wrote a long concurring opinion, incidentally, discussed exactly this point. It's very interesting reading; it's been posted to alt.m.t a couple of times. If anybody wants to read it, let me know and I'll dig up the URLs. But you could be a hard-core atheist, in the sense of rejecting the forms of God proclaimed by the religions, and still find the idea of the Absolute entirely compatible with your beliefs. You can teach metaphysics, in other words, without actually teaching religion. What I found objectionable in the high school book was the way that the absolute's attributes were declared as fact. If they had only treated it like a scientific theory that had YET been proven instead of as fact, then I think it would have passed muster. (Scientific theories are never proven, Shemp.) I thought that was the whole idea behind science: that the theory gets proven by repeatable, verificable scientific experiments. I never saw the book, so I don't know what the wording was that you object to. But TMers are supposed to be able to verify all of it for themselves in their own experience. I agree. But the SCIENCE of creative intelligence was supposed to be the theoretical scientific knowledge of the experience of TM that was supposed to be scientifically verifiable. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate - Lineages
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 15, 2005, at 12:11 PM, markmeredith2002 wrote: snip I don't care that much about lineages as I don't really understand them esoterically, but I agree that it's very odd that MMY has been so vague as to where the specific practice TM came from. Why?? That's the question. And here's the answer, according to MMY via Larry Domash: http://tinyurl.com/c3owb Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 15, 2005, at 1:11 PM, authfriend wrote: I dunno, Vaj, talking to you can really be difficult. That's because when we come to your house and ask Judy to come out and play, she never wants to leave her TMO mental-concept box! Since there is nothing *for* him to share about the transmission details of the technique--as I just pointed out in the post you're responding to and quote above (i.e., it wasn't transmitted to him in the first place)--how could the fact that he doesn't share nonexistent details of a nonexistent transmission arouse suspicion? How could there be nothing? Are you using the True Believer he cognized them card? Just read this and get back to me, OK? http://tinyurl.com/c3owb Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] The Experience of God (was Re: Evolution Wars)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kenny H [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I would like to ask the people, then, who are (supposedly) experiencing God is how do you know that what you are experiencing is God (which I thought was a concept). A few years ago I had an experience, while driving in my car in the state of Connecticut, came out of nowhere (not the state of CT, my state of mind). All of a sudden I became aware of the infinite, eternal, unbounded nature of creation as it flowed through me, I became part of the flow, it was very very clear, all the words I had ever heard unbounded, infinite, eternal, meant something to me for about five minutes. While this was going on I never thought that I was experiencing something called God. Infinity/eternal-ness/unboundedness, yes, I was experiencing that, it was it's own experience. Is what you are calling the experience of God different from this? Who ascribes definition to the conept of God as it is experienced? Ken It sounds from your description as if you were having an experience of Unity Consciousness, in that you as a limited conscious entity felt the Infinity/eternal-ness/unboundedness within you, merging with you. (As a side note, I'd be interested in hearing where in your body you felt this most strongly and/or what direction the current of unboundedness took as it moved through you...) I use the term 'God' to represent all there is, was, and will be; infinite time and infinite space; Brahman. The difference between an experience of Unity Consciousness and being Brahman is that in Brahman, there is no identification with something happening *to us*, since the identification of us assumes infinite proportions. As a practical consideration, we continue to operate as relative entities, inhabiting bodies. But this is not what we identify with, or consider ourselves. More precisely, we are no longer locked into such an identification, but may manifest it whenever we want to. The subjective experience for me is one of infinite freedom combined with total surrender. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Experience of God (was Re: Evolution Wars)
I experience something like this pretty regularly most days. I think it's ahint of God, but I wouldn't call it a clear experience of God by any means.But I'm sure others have and have had such an experience. Some who have tellme that ultimately the experience of God as an entity or field ofintelligence separate from one's Self disappears and then God is nowhere tobe found, ever again.I always just assumed that God was the pulsating cloud of colorful witness that pervades everything. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Experience of God (was Re: Evolution Wars)
While this was going on I never thought that I was experiencingsomething called God. Infinity/eternal-ness/unboundedness, yes, I wasexperiencing that, it was it's own experience. Yeah, what you said. When you look in the mirror do you say, "Hey, lookin good Ken!" Or do you just brush your hair? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] The Experience of God (was Re: Evolution Wars)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While this was going on I never thought that I was experiencing something called God. Infinity/eternal-ness/unboundedness, yes, I was experiencing that, it was it's own experience. Yeah, what you said. When you look in the mirror do you say, Hey, lookin good Ken! Or do you just brush your hair? HAHAHA, not at age 57, maybe 10 years ago. Now I don't put my glasses on while looking in the mirror unless I absolutely need to see myself. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: You cannot be serious
Is this an example of British humour? Well, I "got" it as much as I "got" the Monty Python Show from the '70s, which is to say not much at all...Now we understand why you support Bush. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi/I Love Maharishi...
--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/15/05 12:25 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (Scientific theories are never proven, Shemp.) I thought that was the whole idea behind science: that the theory gets proven by repeatable, verificable scientific experiments. The evidence gets stronger and stronger, but they are never proven, because there is always the possibility that contrary evidence could arise. Yes, all you can do with a scientific theory is either refute it because of empirical evidence that can not be explained by the current version of the theory or say that it is not yet refuted and is the best explanation for now. It's slightly counter-intuitive, but it makes sense if you think about it. Science is not about discovering what is, but finding the best explanatory concepts to explain what is. And these concepts change and develop over time. There is no end point that says reality is this particular way. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: You cannot be serious
The doctor to the patient:- 'I can't find anything wrong with you, I can only put it down to drugs!' The patient, getting up:- 'Then I'll come back when you're less stoned.' --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Incidentally, got a call from MMY this morning, thanking me for my statement of support yesterday on the TM newsgroups inviting me for a short break in Vlodrop for a chat and a laugh. He also asked me on a more serious note whether I could bring some Pecan Maple Syrup Pastries but not to let `them' know. I asked him what he meant. He was quiet for a moment and then drew his breath before confiding, `I have my beautiful biography here, and in it you call them, you call THEM... colour, col, colour, colourless saps, hee heehee, that is, that is very, that is very very very very funny, heheee hheee hheee...' and then he called out to someone in the room `... I am talking to my mate in England... Piss off!' Is this an example of British humour? Well, I got it as much as I got the Monty Python Show from the '70s, which is to say not much at all... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Experience of God (was Re: Evolution Wars)
--- Kenny H [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip HAHAHA, not at age 57, maybe 10 years ago. Now I don't put my glasses on while looking in the mirror unless I absolutely need to see myself. Ken the above cracked me up. I'm 51 now and when I moved to Florida 12 years ago (age 39) I didn't look much different than I did in my mid 20's. My picture on my Florida license is from 12 years ago. A few months ago I was flying back out of New York and a East Indian woman on security looked at my license picture. She went back and forth from the license picture to me several times. She finally said to me, That's not you. I was laughing and said that it certainly was me only 12 years ago. She asked me What happened? I responded, I got old! Peter (gray and balding in Florida) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: You cannot be serious
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is this an example of British humour? Well, I got it as much as I got the Monty Python Show from the '70s, which is to say not much at all... Now we understand why you support Bush. And why, pray tell, would you say that I support Bush? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re:The last Advanced Technique:'Om'?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 15, 2005, at 8:49 AM, cardemaister wrote: a + u = o (guNa grade; e.g. 'soma') It was always my impression that om was merely an artifact of early sandhi and transliteration schemes of the early British Raj translation period. Who knows, perhaps it is... Anyways, this a bit tricky because most native speakers of English might pronounce /au/ like it should be pronounced in, say, 'launch', although actually it's closer to /ow/ in 'down'. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: You cannot be serious
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: as much as I got the Monty Python Show from the '70s, which is to say not much at all... Praise the Lawd! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
On Aug 15, 2005, at 10:51 AM, jim_flanegin wrote: Yes, very much a personal preference. I don't understand what karma has to do with it though. Maharishi's karma. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re:The last Advanced Technique:'Om'?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kenny H [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hell here I come but I remember many years ago, when advanced techniques were a mere $1000 and a good friend (initiator)came out of getting one and kept shaking his head and saying, I can't believe I paid $1000 for that and it ended up (he didn't tell me, someone else did) it was mentally singing some tune that only the initiators know and I marveled at how you could be charged for doing something you could have done anyway although who would have thought of doing that?! My A of E technique began with OM. Pronounced like the om in home. Germaine In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 8/14/05 9:21 PM, dhamiltony2k5 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On the street is that it likely is 'Om'. Which added to what we got of course would then complete the TM seed mantras and return them into real vedic mantras. Ha, the irony would be large. Are people really saying this and is there any substance to the rumor? I don't think anyone dedicated enough to get this new technique would tell. And Maharishi would have a lot of explaining to do if he added Om at this late date.H Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
On Aug 15, 2005, at 1:32 PM, authfriend wrote: Since there is nothing *for* him to share about the transmission details of the technique--as I just pointed out in the post you're responding to and quote above (i.e., it wasn't transmitted to him in the first place)--how could the fact that he doesn't share nonexistent details of a nonexistent transmission arouse suspicion? How could there be nothing? Are you using the True Believer he cognized them card? Just read this and get back to me, OK? http://tinyurl.com/c3owb I guess I am to assume you are referring to this, which is really nothing new: The discovery is of the effects of the Transcendental Meditation technique, whose introduction in 1958 was the work of an Indian scholar and teacher, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. In fact, Maharishi himself claims not to have invented the technique at all, but rather to have revived it. It is clear, however, that he reinvented it; that is to say, he rediscovered and thereby restored the original purity and effectiveness of a layer of human knowledge that, although praised and sung in the very oldest records of human experience, seems somehow to have been lost from view through confusion and disuse, even in the land of its origin. If he revived it, then it is revived from *something*, as in reviving the corpse, the corpse is revived. What is that something that was revived? Of course it is also so deliberately vague. (I am not going to play semantical circle games on this.) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] 'Some Very Positive Images
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[FairfieldLife] More Indications of Sat-Yuga~~
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I Hate Maharishi
Peter wrote: --- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 14, 2005, at 11:21 AM, Bhairitu wrote: Any other guru would be able to clearly delineate the historical origins of a teaching. If they can't then they are suspect. Thank you. I've said this over and over. Many just don't get it but it really important to know the where's and how's of your transmissions. TM is one of the few that do not tell you really any details. In fact it appears M. has pretty much hidden his childhood from history. Almost every other group, from Swami Rama to SYDA to Yogananda all give detailed histories. So where's the detailed history of Jesus' childhood? What about Gurudev's? Hey sparaig, we're on the same side of the fence on this one. All this crap about lineages is absurd. It's all mental masturbation to puff your spiritual ego up. The value of a teaching has nothing to do with lineages and who's guru's guru's guru had the biggest dick, but the direct impact that teaching has on your own Realization. Nothing else matters. You only know the value of a teaching if you follow it for some time and DIRECTLY experience what it does. Titles are for spiritual materialists (obviously the lowest form of life on the planet ;-). Lineages or traditions are important. Meditation is like wine, you can get a buzz from two buck chuck but you will get a great experience from a $50 award winning Cabernet and a rare experience from a vintage $600 Bordeaux. As each guru practices a set of mantras and passes them on to their shishyas they become more and more powerful. So those traditions with a long line have the most powerful techniques. You can learn a mantra from a book but it will be tremendously weak even compared with getting it from someone who has learned it from a guru even if that lineage is short. The caveat the Maharishi uses is to have the initiator perform a puja before each instruction. That charges the initiator temporarily with shakti and empowers the mantra. That's in addition to the shakti the initiator already has. Also note that if you have been practicing meditation for some time and try a mantra out of a book it is not the same as someone who has never practiced meditation trying a mantra out of a book. Your shakti from your meditation will empower the book mantra. It just won't be as strong as when you receive a mantra from a guru. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
