[FairfieldLife] Re: First seer of Veda

[cardemaister]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante  
> wrote:
> >
> > "in the Vedic Tradition, there is a magic, which is a simple, 
> natural 
> > thing, but it works like magic."
> > 
> Nice read. With Maharishi speaking about uncovering silence I was 
> reminded of something I was observing at some point this morning, 
> either on the way to work or just before leaving, where my senses 
> and mind were just thick with silence, and with each thought I 
would 
> experience the thought first subtly in its pure form, without 
> ownership. And then as I began to appreciate all of it, it would 
> begin to try to subtly twist and change in my mind, as the subtle 
> senses inherent in the thought began to magnify and try to charm 
me 
> as the thought expanded, and I saw that if I were to go with that 
> momentum, take ownership of it, I could mutate it as it were, and 
> create something that appeared to serve more and more just my own 
> limited interests, or, on the other hand, if I just continued to 
> watch it, silence thick within it and surrounding it, it would 
just 
> subside again into the thick pool of silence, and in a little bit, 
> another would take its place, and the whole process would start 
over 
> again. 

That's prolly one of the longest sentences ever written on
FFL!  :D

[FairfieldLife] Re: "God Is Not Great" is not so great

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > Another very negative review of Hitchens, also
> > from a nonbeliever:
> > 
> > http://www.salon.com/books/review/2007/05/10/hitchens_god/
> > 
> > (You'll need to watch a brief ad to get access
> > if you aren't a subscriber.)
> >
> 
> I haven't read the book but I did see Hitchens on Charlie Rose this 
> week and another venue (which I can't remember...C-SPAN?).  Anyway, 
> the crux of what he seems to be saying is: religion causes war,
> death and suffering.

The Salon reviewer gives a marvelous quote
from Iris Murdoch, another atheist:

"God does not and cannot exist. But what led us to conceive
of him does exist and is constantly pictured. That is, it
is real as an Idea, and also incarnate in knowledge and work
and love."

[FairfieldLife] Re: "God Is Not Great" is not so great

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Another very negative review of Hitchens, also
> from a nonbeliever:
> 
> http://www.salon.com/books/review/2007/05/10/hitchens_god/
> 
> (You'll need to watch a brief ad to get access
> if you aren't a subscriber.)
>

I haven't read the book but I did see Hitchens on Charlie Rose this 
week and another venue (which I can't remember...C-SPAN?).  Anyway, 
the crux of what he seems to be saying is: religion causes war, death 
and suffering.

Of course, what he conveniently leaves out is that Atheism has caused 
much, much worse suffering and death than religion ever did.  
Communism -- which has almost always been officially atheistic in 
whichever government it manifests -- has killed exponentially more 
people than any religious war or conflict ever did.

[FairfieldLife] Re: First seer of Veda

[new . morning]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> with each thought I would 
> experience the thought first subtly in its pure form, without 
> ownership. And then as I began to appreciate all of it, it would 
> begin to try to subtly twist and change in my mind, as the subtle 
> senses inherent in the thought began to magnify and try to charm me 
> as the thought expanded, and I saw that if I were to go with that 
> momentum, take ownership of it, I could mutate it as it were, and 
> create something that appeared to serve more and more just my own 
> limited interests, or, on the other hand, if I just continued to 
> watch it, silence thick within it and surrounding it, it would just 
> subside again into the thick pool of silence,

I thought you might be headed towards an observation that letting go,
letting the thought be universal, not tainting it by individual
interests, was a good thing. Which it might be. 

But it occurred to me, that shaping the "universal" thought" towards
your own localized interests (and the interests of all you look out
for, care for) is natural and can ve a good thing. How better to
localize a universal thought to the localized needs of a particular
person or group?  

And the extention of this, is that as one's interests and perspective
/ awareness becomes broader, the "personalized" thought gains the
customization of a broader, more "complex" larger "personal interest.
Extending to Oneness. YET, even stretching to Totality, it can and
does maintain that intelligence nexus / genius of localized focus and
awareness of "local needs". Seems a better "design" than lots of
universal unpersonalized thoughts just popping up. 

Just a thought.

 

[FairfieldLife] Rigorous

[new . morning]

"Rigorous statistical analysis confirms that that the 21% rise of the
Dow and the S&P 500 and the 27% rise of the NASDAQ over the past nine
months were caused by the coherent influence created by the Invincible
America Assembly."
—Dr. John Hagelin, Executive Director,
International Center for Invincible Defense"
http://mail.google.com/mail/?auth=DQAAAHgAAACyvm-zhryzr4de_xvruPtwz4qZfk1vKe9JH2fCsLyXN_3FZtUTYnYOXE2Uro7MgHDvLTLPXTuoCyE-_8n1PyCtSYb_fOEhEURP9oEYvsW5H7-4OihqA6SG3vfEtMmYxO6ZVDWnMQhq4PYDMvC4-017Z4l9BPFBubFFjNLJzDuqHw


Clearly MUM has redefined "rigorous". Or is it a vedic word that
sounds similiar to the english word "rigorous?

   1. Conforming completely to established rule: exact, strict,
uncompromising. See usual/unusual.
   2. Requiring great or extreme bodily, mental, or spiritual
strength: arduous, backbreaking, burdensome, demanding, difficult,
effortful, exacting, exigent, formidable, hard, heavy, laborious,
onerous, oppressive, rough, severe, taxing, tough, trying, weighty.
See heavy/light.
   3. Not deviating from correctness, accuracy, or completeness:
close, exact, faithful, full, strict. See careful/careless.
   4. Having no errors: accurate, correct, errorless, exact, precise,
right. See correct/incorrect, true/false.
   5. Conforming to fact: accurate, correct, exact, faithful, precise,
right, true, veracious, veridical. See correct/incorrect,
honest/dishonest, real/imaginary, true/false.

[FairfieldLife] Re: First seer of Veda

[jim_flanegin]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> "in the Vedic Tradition, there is a magic, which is a simple, 
natural 
> thing, but it works like magic."
> 
Nice read. With Maharishi speaking about uncovering silence I was 
reminded of something I was observing at some point this morning, 
either on the way to work or just before leaving, where my senses 
and mind were just thick with silence, and with each thought I would 
experience the thought first subtly in its pure form, without 
ownership. And then as I began to appreciate all of it, it would 
begin to try to subtly twist and change in my mind, as the subtle 
senses inherent in the thought began to magnify and try to charm me 
as the thought expanded, and I saw that if I were to go with that 
momentum, take ownership of it, I could mutate it as it were, and 
create something that appeared to serve more and more just my own 
limited interests, or, on the other hand, if I just continued to 
watch it, silence thick within it and surrounding it, it would just 
subside again into the thick pool of silence, and in a little bit, 
another would take its place, and the whole process would start over 
again. I was practicing watching the thoughts come up, blossom, and 
then before they became 'mine', letting them subside, all the while 
enjoying the tangible and pervasive nature of the silence.

[FairfieldLife] "God Is Not Great" is not so great

[authfriend]

Another very negative review of Hitchens, also
from a nonbeliever:

http://www.salon.com/books/review/2007/05/10/hitchens_god/

(You'll need to watch a brief ad to get access
if you aren't a subscriber.)

[FairfieldLife] The recent MU conference webcast

[dhamiltony2k5]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "claudiouk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>wrote:
>
> Is there ever a real audience present I wonder, of non-meditators. 
>In 
> the middle of listening to the live conference - MMY speaking at 
>the 
> moment. Just listening for my own benefit it's OK I guess - I'm 
> keeping in touch with developments; occasionally there is something 
> new or that makes more sense; but mostly seems too repetive - heard 
> it all before etc. So for instance today the theme is about 
> consciousness based education developing the whole brain. There is 
> lots of interesting stuff, but one would like to see more a 
> documentary approach - seeing snipets of real lessons, pupil views, 
> more examples of how non-scientific subjects are represented in the 
> unified field charts etc.
> 
> But then I think what if I were an educator attending such a 
> conference for the very first time and having never heard of TM or 
> the unified field even.. These presentations supposedly are to 
> attract interest in what is on offer. However(a) now the problem is 
> that there is SO MUCH information that is relevant but will be 
> COMPLETELY new to the audience; (b) how to present this in a way 
>that 
> will make most sense to THEM, so that in spite of their natural 
> misgivings they can relate to the message and see its value; and(c) 
> what is it they NEED practically to go away afterwards with 
>concrete 
> examples and strategies for communicating their understanding AND 
> persuading authorities to take this innovation more seriously.
> 
> I really don't think that the format of these presentations is 
>likely 
> to favour such outcomes. Firstly Haglin's equations are barely 
> understandable by people familiar with his talks and are 
> incomprehensible to educators even in the science disciplines. 
>Their 
> natural reaction would be deefensive - well that's YOUR 
> interpretation (and they are right). Secondly MMY comes in and 
>spends 
> ages going round in obscure circles this time from the perspective 
>of 
> Veda - usually one remembers AH and BRUM because repeated a lot, 
>but 
> otherwise complete beginners would have NO IDEA about what the 
>Vedic 
> tradition is - most educators these days don't even know much about 
> their own Bible (if Christian). So after hearing a long 
> winded "mathematical" discussion they don't unders have to endure 
> Maharishi's Vedic take, another alien element. The Morris comes in 
> and instead of relating what has been said to the audience's needs 
> simply punishes them with another REPEAT of the previous speakers' 
> main points. 
> 
> Personally I think the TMO would benefit ENORMOUSLY from 
>focus groups 
> for each sector of society they wish to engage with. 

>Unfortunately 
>they see no value from feedback whatsoever, seeing wisdom an up-down 
 >process only!!
> 
> Even with the Central University plan why would students from the 
> SAME State want to spend all their time with fellow citizens, in 
> segregated campuses - the whole point of a university is to mix 
>with 
> others from different backgrounds and gain something extra from the 
> cross-fertilization. NOBODY has bothered to look at it from the 
>point 
> of view of the STUDENT.
> 
> No surprise then that these conferences pay no attention to the 
>point 
> of view of the AUDIENCE!!!
> 

Yes, honest blasphemy Claudiouk.  I listen to the broadcasts too from 
the local MUM radio in my shop for the same reasons & often wonder 
the similar things that you do here.  

Many may dare not too freely express what you are here for fear of 
being found 'negative' by some friends here.  That is the dynamics of 
being in the meditator community here.  I think you are very brave to 
freely think these thoughts and publish them.

-Doug in FF

>Unfortunately 
>they see no value from feedback whatsoever, seeing wisdom an up-down 
 >process only!!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sixties Gurus Go On Tour

[new . morning]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sinhlnx"  wrote:
> >
> > --Below: people should have respect for MMY.  I do have respect for 
> > him everyday when I play a powerful video of him and 15 Pundits doing 
> > the traditional puja followed by a powerful puja to Mahalakshmi; and, 
> > I  have respect for MMY for teaching me TM, through my initiator.
> >   However, I have little respect for the man for demolishing the TM 
> > Movement by charging such high prices.
> 

Just an general observation, not a personal criticism: Though I am
sure I have made arguments of the same structure, it seesm pretty
non-informative and not excessively share-worthy to offer a point 
based soley on the argument of loss of the writer's own personal
"respect". Particularly by one a fairly infrequent poster.  In other
words, while I don't disrespect sinhlnx, I have no "impression" of his
posts or why his opinion is one I should respect (and by inference be
swayed by his argument based solely on his "disrespect" ).

Re: [FairfieldLife] comment from Dana Sawyer

[Sal Sunshine]

On May 9, 2007, at 2:04 PM, Rick Archer wrote:


"Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
What are the criteria (for being a pundit)? Is there some 
certification?


Dana: One must be a brahmin from a  pandit family.


If a non-brahmin somehow snuck in there but nobody knew, would it 
negate the whole thing?


Sal

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sixties Gurus Go On Tour

[new . morning]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sinhlnx" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- Due to the vast amount of bad karma in the world today, it will 
> take more than a few Angels to turn things around.
>  TM should be practiced by at least 100 million people, in order to 
> significantly increase the world's Sattva.

How many buddhist meditators does that translate into?

Amma IAMers?

SSRS AOL Meditators?

[FairfieldLife] Transactional Analysis Graphics

[Samadhi Is Much Closer Than You Think -- Really -- It's A No-Brainer.]

I'm searching for generic graphics of "transactional analysis" that can be
edited for specific uses, such as demonstrating kosas and organs, etc.

I just googled the universe for graphics illustrating "transactional
analysis" in any way possible.  While the results are nebulous, they also
include plenty of nongraphic illustrations such as photos of
individuals, and books and such.

I'm searching for good sources of generic transactional analysis
illustrations, ones that can perhaps have text added.  An easy-to-use
software that can do this well would be welcomed as well, easy to use as in
by non-graphicly inclined people like me.

Thank you in advance for your assistance.


*Of all that anyone leading or teaching has to convey, the most valuable
thing to cultivate and convey to others is a moral conscience. Only such
persons deserve to lead others, in any capacity. Anything less is a menace
to society.*

[FairfieldLife] Re: comment from Dana Sawyer

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >What are the criteria (for being a pundit)? Is there some 
certification?
> 
> Dana: One must be a brahmin from a  pandit family.  One must learn 
Sanskrit
> in
> the traditional manner and master a prescribed text.  When one has
> achieved mastery there is a formal ceremony to acknowledge him as 
such. 
> You can just grab someone and say, "hey, want to be a pandit?"  
BTW,
> pandits tend to have formal alligences to specific textual 
traditions,
> temples and ashrams, and are not easily subsumable into one large 
body of
> pandits.>>

Good point. Therefore, to generate a higher world consciousness, you 
must gather (pay) 10,000 Western secularists trained in yogic 
flying, which is what I have always thought was the way to go, even 
though maybe too impractical. I think group yogic flying is more 
powerful than pundits and yagyas or sthaptyavedic peace palaces. 

OffWorld

OffWorld

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sixties Gurus Go On Tour

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of nablusoss1008
> Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 4:11 AM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sixties Gurus Go On Tour
> 
>  
> 
> > I think Maharishi is the only one still alive who was teaching 
in the 
> > sixties. A fact which I love how it makes the anti-TM 
fundamentalists 
> > here squirm and grimace. You feel the grimace on your face don't 
chya?
> > 
> > OffWorld
> 
> And the only Teacher from the sixties with a good standing and 
> reputation in India. With the exeption of AnandaMayiMa of course, 
but 
> then again, she was an Avatar.
> 
> Are you kidding? Maharishi has a lousy reputation in India. If he's
> remembered at all, he's thought of as a businessman. >>>

Dream on Rick, a 30 second search brought this up:

The All-India Ayurvedic Congress is the official organisation and 
highest authority for Ayurveda in India with more than 300,000 
Ayurvedic physicians.

"After examining Maharishi Ayurveda for years, the President of the 
All-India Ayurvedic Congress, Vaidya Shiv Koran Sharma Chhangani, 
together with five other high-ranking representatives, have 
confirmed that Maharishi Ayurveda is of the highest quality and 
represents an authentic application of the knowledge of Ayurveda."
http://tinyurl.com/34u8rk

OffWorld

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sixties Gurus Go On Tour

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings  
> wrote:
> . You feel the grimace on your face don't chya?
> > 
> 
> Never before seen that "eye-dialectish" form written like that.
> By googling, at least these spellings can be found:
> 
> doncha, dontcha, donchya, dontchya
> 
> That phrase is also a rather nice, IMO, example of sandhi
> in English. In most cases sandhi in Sanskrit is an instance
> of a total or partial regressive assimilation, which, amongst
> a couple of other things, seems to have happened in 'doncha', etc. 
> 
> I guess the aspiration of 't' in 'don´t' has gradually become 
> stronger, eventually "transforming" to
> a palatal affricate, due to 'y' in 'you' (ya) being a 
> palatal semivowel? And stuff.>>

Maybe, but mostly just the Scottish accent coming in to play. You 
would never say "doncha, dontcha, donchya, or dontchya" in Scotland. 
Bad form old boy.

OffWorld

[FairfieldLife] Re: recent photos of rishikesh & Chair order cancelled

[lurkernomore20002000]

Lurk:
Nab, You have me speechless on this one.  I'd really like to know more 
about you, occupation etc., to gain insight into how you interact 
>with the world on a daily basis.  
>lurk
> > >
Nab:
Speechless eh ? Fine. Brilliant.
I do not lead a "normal" life, never wanted to, never have. After 
spending 12 years on Purusha I now work fulltime as a freelance 
photographer. Never a dull day, but hardly remarkable.

Thanks for the come back.  Okay, this helps.  But why did you leave 
Purusha, if you don't mind me asking.

lurk
>

[FairfieldLife] First seer of Veda

[bob_brigante]

"in the Vedic Tradition, there is a magic, which is a simple, natural 
thing, but it works like magic."

**


9 May 2007

On 7 May, following the presentation by Dr John Hagelin, Minister of 
Science and Technology of the Global Country of World Peace, on the 
non-dual, holistic administration of the universe and society by the 
totality of Natural Law in the Unified Field, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi 
spoke about the holistic and detailed vision of Veda by the first 
seer of Rk Veda, Madhuchandas. 

Maharishi said that he had been hearing and enjoying all the speeches 
of Dr Hagelin and Dr Morris, and as he said a few weeks ago, it's not 
for him to speak the principles, but to produce the effect. 

Changing the destiny of the individual and the world through the 
Vedic knowledge of Jyotish 
Maharishi said he had been 'telling all these principles for such a 
long time and today I am reminded of one word which I have not used, 
which I want to use today. The word is 'destiny.' My Movement is 
going to change the destiny of the world.' 

Maharishi said that he was speaking from the knowledge of 
administration in his tradition—the Vedic Tradition—and 'in the Vedic 
Tradition, there is a magic, which is a simple, natural thing, but it 
works like magic. My Vedic Tradition has that knowledge which changes 
the destiny of the person.' 

Today a person is like this in whatever situation, Maharishi said, 
but tomorrow he can be completely different. Maharishi gave the 
example that a man is in the darkness of the night, but then come the 
dawn and the sunrise. The destiny of all those who are sleeping is 
changed to wakefulness. 

'There is one word I will remind the listeners: there is a 
word 'Jyotish', which is an aspect of Vedic knowledge, that knows how 
to change the destiny of a person. Jyotish it has its own 
calculations. A birth chart is there. It says the man will be in 
great fever from this time to this time. 

Amending the Grahas 
'Now there are procedures that will be used and they are 
called 'amending the grahas'. There is a big calculation, but the net 
result is that a man is destined to have fever from next month for a 
period of 15 days, supposing.' 

Maharishi explained that Jyotish is that aspect of knowledge which 
prescribes something to be done, and that is done by Vedic [Pandits] 
who know how to do graha shanti, the name for pacifying the grahas, 
so that the man doesn't have to meet those calamities. This means 
that first we first know what is ahead and then, knowing if that 
which is coming ahead is painful, hard, difficult, it can be 
completely eliminated, Maharishi said. 

'This we call changing the destiny. Knowing what is ahead and 
averting it, disallowing it to come—the procedures are there. I come 
from that tradition which knows how to change the destiny.' 

Maharishi said that changing the destiny of the individuals for all 
these many years—keeping the individual on a level of enlightenment, 
so that he's not groping in darkness; he is not suddenly taken over 
by wrong, negative destiny; avert the destiny, avert danger that has 
not yet come—that is in the [Vedic] tradition of the knowledge of 
life, Maharishi said. 

'It's a beautiful field of knowledge that predicts and eliminates if 
it is not right. So changing the destiny is a normal professional 
thing, the possession of those who have this aspect of Vedic 
knowledge and this is Vedanga—one of the six values of the Veda. 

'One of the six values—changing the destiny so the man doesn't have 
to face disorders, unevenness and calamities, disease, pain and 
suffering. Doing this all the time, I came to know from my tradition 
what the Veda can do and how I knew what the Veda is? 

The vision of Veda as seen by Madhuchandas, first Rishi of Rk Veda 
Maharishi explained that the first seer of the Veda was Madhuchandas, 
and what he [Maharishi] is speaking today is what Madhuchandas was 
before he saw the Veda and what he was when he saw the Veda, 
and 'Veda we understand as the Constitution of the Universe, which is 
dependent on its own self-referral quality. 

Maharishi continued: 'Madhuchandas is recorded to have seen the 
Constitution of the Universe, and what and how many are the facets in 
the Constitution of the Universe? Innumerable, uncountable, because 
the whole field of the diversified value of Unity is unlimited, so 
the extent of Veda, the extent of the Constitution of the Universe, 
the extent of that which is the controller and administrator of the 
universe, is enormously diversified. 

'There is a record that Madhuchandas was the first seer. Madhuchandas 
was the name of a seer who saw Veda. How he could see Veda? If he was 
man, how he saw Veda? Because the vision of man is limited, then how 
this person Madhuchandas, saw the infinitely expanded version of the 
Constitution of the Universe? 

'The Tradition says, the record shows how he saw the Constitution of 
the Universe in a holistic structure and how h

[FairfieldLife] Fear-mongers like new.morning will be disheartened by this good news

[shempmcgurk]

http://tinyurl.com/3b2ecz

[FairfieldLife] America's jyotish for this month

[george_deforest]

America's jyotish for this month is not so good
according to jyotishi David Hawthorn
published on FairfieldToday.com
where he writes:

"NOTE:  The aspect of the sixth ruler, Jupiter, 
on the eighth ruler, Saturn, in the chart of USA, 
is significant through May.  

There have been fires, floods, tornadoes, 
and losses of military and civilian life.  
Exercise a lot of care and patience. 

http://tinyurl.com/332ok8

Re: [FairfieldLife] GM crop taints honey two miles away

[Bhairitu]

And they may already have found its way into your gut:

"Genetically Engineered Crops May Produce Herbicide Inside Our Intestines

- They fail to reveal, however, that after you eat the GM corn, some 
inactive herbicide may become reactivated inside your gut and cause a 
toxic reaction. In addition, a gene that was inserted into the corn 
might transfer into the DNA of your gut bacteria, producing long-term 
effects. "

More here
http://www.non-gm-farmers.com/news_details.asp?ID=2778

Vaj wrote:
> GM crop taints honey two miles away, test reveals
>
> The Sunday Times, September 15, 2002
> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-416027,00.html [you have 
> to register for Times' sites]
>
>  EVIDENCE that genetically modified (GM) crops can contaminate food 
> supplies for miles around has been revealed in independent tests 
> commissioned by The Sunday Times.
>
>  The tests found alien GM material in honey from beehives two miles 
> from a site where GM crops were being grown under government 
> supervision. It is believed to have been carried there by bees 
> gathering pollen in the GM test sites.
>
>  The disclosure, showing that GM organisms can enter the food chain 
> without consumers — or even farmers — knowing they are present, will 
> undermine assurances by Tony Blair and ministers that such crops can 
> be tested in Britain without contaminating the food chain.
>
>  The test results come as ministers, under pressure from the American 
> agrochemical lobby, mount a huge consultation exercise to persuade the 
> public of the virtues of GM foods. They have previously given 
> assurances that consumers “are not being used as guinea pigs”.
>
>  The GM material was found in honey sold from farmer David Rolfe’s 
> hives at Newport-on-Tay in Fife, almost two miles from one of 18 sites 
> holding trials of GM oil-seed rape.
>
>  A test carried out by GeneScan, a respected independent laboratory in 
> Bremen, Germany, checked for traces of an NOS terminator, one of four 
> modified genes which make the crop resistant to pesticides. This 
> proved positive.
>
>  A second test confirmed that GM material in the honey could have come 
> only from oil- seed rape grown at Wester Friarton, in Newport-on-Tay, 
> by Aventis, one of the world’s biggest biotechnology firms. The fact 
> that the GM material travelled such a distance makes a mockery of the 
> government’s 50m-200m crop-free “buffer” zones that were created 
> around GM sites to protect neighbouring farms. Critics have claimed 
> that the GM crop trial sites are too close to other farms. America has 
> buffer zones of up to 400m, Canada up to 800m, and the European Union 
> recommends a 5km (three-mile) zone for GM oilseed rape.
>
>  When Rolfe first raised his concerns, government officials said that 
> although it was not possible to rule out cross-pollination, they did 
> not believe it should be “a source of concern”.
>
>  “I’m very angry and disappointed,” Rolfe said last week. “I feel I’ve 
> been denied the right and freedom to eat my own GM-free produce. Now 
> we can’t eat the honey or sell it.”
>
>  This weekend Defra, the ministry responsible for the crop trials, 
> said: “We have not seen the results of the study but will treat any 
> such findings extremely seriously.”
>
>  In the case of GM rape, like most GM products, there is no evidence 
> that contamination poses a health risk. Concern centres on maintaining 
> the integrity of traditionally produced products.
>
>  Tim Lang, professor of food policy at Thames Valley University, said: 
> “The early assurances from the industry and the government that a 
> buffer zone would allow safety and choice for consumers are falling 
> apart. It raises environmental health worries, and what we don’t yet 
> know is whether these warnings will translate into a risk to human 
> health.”
>
>  Britain has imposed a moratorium on the widespread planting of GM 
> crops until it has analysed the impact of GM crop trials at 18 
> farm-scale sites around Britain.
>
>  However, The Sunday Times’s tests confirm earlier work that was 
> carried by Friends of the Earth, the environmental group, and will 
> increase pressure on the government to scale down its support for the 
> GM industry.
>
>  It will also come as a personal setback to Blair, who is determined 
> that British companies will win a share of the potentially lucrative 
> bioscience industry. In May the prime minister attacked GM protesters 
> as part of an “anti-science fashion” in Britain.
>
>  The tests will bring pressure on Aventis, which was accused of a 
> “serious breach” of regulations earlier this year after GM trials in 
> 12 sites were contaminated with antibiotic genes. These are 
> controversial because of the danger of gene transfer to bacteria in 
> animals and humans, who could become immune to common life- saving 
> antibiotics.
>
>  While the government tends to support the GM lobby, food retailers 
> have been more caut

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sixties Gurus Go On Tour

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Sal Sunshine
> Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 10:56 AM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sixties Gurus Go On Tour
> 
>  
> 
> 
> OK, maybe I should have said, that he can't go to those places on 
account of
> subpoenas he'd get if he did. That's true, that they would want him 
to come
> here and maybe they do, but as long as he doesn't they apparently 
can't
> subpoena him.
> 
> That's what I've heard, Judy.
> 
> That's true. Last time he came to MUM the local sheriff was
> at his door trying to serve a subpoena, with lawyers fending
> him off.

For the record, I wasn't disagreeing with Sal
about this, to the contrary. I've heard the
same stories.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reflections on Patanjali's Yoga Sutras

[Richard J. Williams]

Vaj wrote:
> That's only because the three are related in terms 
> of emergence. Non-dual Shaivite Hinduism is likely 
> derived from Zhang Zhung rishi's pre-Buddhist 
> Mantrayana and Mahasandhi. 
>
What in the hell are talking about, Vaj? There's no 
mention of "non-dual Shaivite Hindusim" in Patanjali's 
Yoga Sutras. "Hinduism" wasn't even invented in Patajali's 
time. If it was, he would have mentioned it, would he not?

> Advaita Vedanta is a Hindu reaction to Nagarjuna's 
> Madhyamaka.
> 
What does that have to do with Patanjali?

There's no pre-Buddhist "Mantrayana" in Indian history 
either. You're confused - Mantrayana came much later with 
the tantric alchemists during the Gupta Age. In fact, 
there's no "pre-Buddhist" history in India. Indian history 
begins with the historical Buddha - everything before that 
is pre-history. 

> One should not confuse advaita with advaya.
>

[FairfieldLife] comment from Dana Sawyer

[Rick Archer]

"Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>What are the criteria (for being a pundit)? Is there some certification?

Dana: One must be a brahmin from a  pandit family.  One must learn Sanskrit
in
the traditional manner and master a prescribed text.  When one has
achieved mastery there is a formal ceremony to acknowledge him as such. 
You can just grab someone and say, "hey, want to be a pandit?"  BTW,
pandits tend to have formal alligences to specific textual traditions,
temples and ashrams, and are not easily subsumable into one large body of
pandits.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Agriculture Will Utilize the "Chemistry of Sound"

[Jason Spock]

 There are lot of Complications here which Vedic Goof-balls just don't 
understand.
   
   There are two major aplications in Agriculture.
   
   1,  Chemical Pesticides,
   
   2,  Chemical Fertilizers.
   
   Chemical Pesticides are toxic and dangerous to the Eco-system.  They 
resemble the molecular structure of the Female hormones.  They have to banned.  
No arguments here.
   
   Chemical Fertilizers are a far more tricky issue.  It's not practical to 
enforce a full ban on Chemical Fertilizers because not all Organic fertilizers 
can compensate them.   Soil in many parts of the world lack critical minerals 
and nutrients and they can be augumented only by application of Chemical 
Fertilizers.

George_deforest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Date: Sun, 06 May 2007 22:27:25 -
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Vedic Agriculture Will Utilize the "Chemistry of Sound"

   
 70 Broad Street, New York, NY 10004 • 212-809-7000 (T) • 212-809-7001 (F) 
• [EMAIL PROTECTED]

PRESS RELEASE  Report on the Global Conference on Organic Agriculture
  New "Unified Field-Based" Approach to Organic Agriculture
Will Bring Wealth to Poor Nations and Health to Wealthy Nations
  Will Utilize the "Chemistry of Sound" to Enliven Total Natural Law
in Plants to Produce Maximally Nutritious Food
(NEW YORK) The world's poor nations will become wealthier and the wealthy 
nations will become healthier as a new "Unified Field"-based approach to 
organic agriculture is adopted throughout the world.
  Such a revolutionary new approach will utilize the "chemistry of sound" to 
enliven the Unified Field—Total Natural Law—in every plant to yield organic 
food that is maximally nutritious and life-supporting for the whole population. 
  This was the extraordinary message delivered by Dr. John Hagelin, 
world-renowned quantum physicist and executive director of the International 
Center for Invincible Defense in New York City, and Dr. John Konhaus, professor 
of Vedic Organic Agriculture at the University of World Peace in Meru, Holland, 
during the "Global Conference on Organic Agriculture. " The conference was held 
recently at the Global Financial Capital of New York, 70 Broad Street, and was 
broadcast internationally via satellite and Internet webcast. (See 
www.GlobalFinancial CapitalNY. org for a replay of the conference and a 
schedule of upcoming conferences. )
  Profound difference between conventional organic and
Unified Field-based organic agriculture
  Dr. Hagelin explained the profound difference between conventional organic 
agriculture, which raises plants without toxic chemicals, pesticides, and 
fertilizers, and Unified Field-based organic agriculture. "Unified Field-based 
agriculture raises current organic standards to an entirely new level of purity 
and nutritional potency to produce maximum health-supporting benefits for the 
consumer—such as balanced physiological functioning, total brain functioning, 
and higher states of consciousness. "
  The physics of Unified Field-based organic agriculture
  Dr. Hagelin said that to understand Unified Field-based organic 
agriculture—and its power to transform the nutritional potency of a 
plant—requires an understanding of the Unified Field, which is the unified 
source of the diversified universe as brought to light by modern physics.
  "According to Superstring theories, all the elementary particles, such as the 
electron, and all the forces, such as the photon of electromagnetism, are just 
the stable vibrational modes (energy eigenstates) of the Superstring. This also 
is true of atoms, molecules, and indeed of any stable object, whether 
microscopic or macroscopic, " Dr. Hagelin said.
  "The mechanics of transformation of one particle into another, or one 
chemical compound into another, is always through the application of sound. For 
example, to transform sugar into water, you add oxygen. To transform a diseased 
state of the physiology into a healthy state, you add herbs or pharmaceuticals. 
But ultimately, all such particles and compounds are just sounds—vibrational 
modes of the Unified Field. This is the `chemistry of sound,' through which you 
can transform anything into anything," he said. 
  Unified Field-based organic agriculture is the modern 
scientific reformulation of the ancient Vedic science of agriculture 
  Dr. Hagelin said that Unified Field-based organic agriculture is the modern 
scientific reformulation of the ancient Vedic science of organic agriculture—as 
brought to light by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. 
  "Vedic science is the complete science of the Unified Field, including all of 
its vibrational modes—or Vedic sounds. These Vedic sounds can be applied to 
transform anything into anything—including, in agriculture, transforming 
growing plants into exceptionally healthy, nutritious crops," Dr. Hagelin said.
  "During key developmental stages of a maturing plant, the plant is highly 
sensitive to environmental influences.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sixties Gurus Go On Tour

[Sal Sunshine]

On May 9, 2007, at 1:52 PM, Rick Archer wrote:

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sal Sunshine

Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 10:56 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sixties Gurus Go On Tour
 

 OK, maybe I should have said, that he can't go to those places on 
account of subpoenas he'd get if he did. That's true, that they would 
want him to come here and maybe they do, but as long as he doesn't 
they apparently can't subpoena him.


 That's what I've heard, Judy.

That’s true. Last time he came to MUM the local sheriff was at his 
door trying to serve a subpoena, with lawyers fending him off.


I remember that too--during the TOU Course, right?  I believe the 
headline in the Ledger was something hilarious like:  Sheriff Bob, Meet 
Maharishi--or something to that effect.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reflections on Patanjali's Yoga Sutras

[Richard J. Williams]

matrixmonitor wrote:
> --Precisely!. Among the impersonalist viewpoints, 
>
There's no "impersonalist" viewpoint in Patanjali's 
Yoga Sutras. Patanjali precisely refers to Ishvara, 
the God of Yoga, as I pointed out. Saivite Hinduism 
came much later than Patanjali who lived in 200 B.C. 
before most of the Upanishads were composed.

> ...the bottom line is what is the connection to 
> such entities and PHYSICAL reality? 
>
You just spouted the materialist point of view - but
you've confused it with the transcedentalist view. The
word transcendental in the Upanishads means "beyond the 
matereial world".

Also, there's no mention of a Krishna, Vasudeva, or 
Balarama in Patanjali's Yoga Sutras - that came much 
later with the rise of the Bhakti sects.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Agriculture Will Utilize the "Chemistry of Sound"

[Jason Spock]

 
   There are lot of Complications here which Vedic Goof-balls just don't 
understand.
   
   There are two major aplications in Agriculture.
   
   1,  Chemical Pesticides,
   
   2,  Chemical Fertilizers.
   
   Chemical Pesticides are toxic and dangerous to the Eco-system.  They 
resemble the molecular structure of the Female hormones.  They have to banned.  
No arguments here.
   
   Chemical Fertilizers are a far more tricky issue.  It's not practical to 
enforce a full ban on Chemical Fertilizers because not all Organic fertilizers 
can compensate them.   Soil in many parts of the world lack critical minerals 
and nutrients and they can be augumented only by application of Chemical 
Fertilizers.

George_deforest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Date: Sun, 06 May 2007 22:27:25 -
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Vedic Agriculture Will Utilize the "Chemistry of Sound"

   
 70 Broad Street, New York, NY 10004 • 212-809-7000 (T) • 212-809-7001 (F) 
• [EMAIL PROTECTED]

PRESS RELEASE  Report on the Global Conference on Organic Agriculture
  New "Unified Field-Based" Approach to Organic Agriculture
Will Bring Wealth to Poor Nations and Health to Wealthy Nations
  Will Utilize the "Chemistry of Sound" to Enliven Total Natural Law
in Plants to Produce Maximally Nutritious Food
(NEW YORK) The world's poor nations will become wealthier and the wealthy 
nations will become healthier as a new "Unified Field"-based approach to 
organic agriculture is adopted throughout the world.
  Such a revolutionary new approach will utilize the "chemistry of sound" to 
enliven the Unified Field—Total Natural Law—in every plant to yield organic 
food that is maximally nutritious and life-supporting for the whole population. 
  This was the extraordinary message delivered by Dr. John Hagelin, 
world-renowned quantum physicist and executive director of the International 
Center for Invincible Defense in New York City, and Dr. John Konhaus, professor 
of Vedic Organic Agriculture at the University of World Peace in Meru, Holland, 
during the "Global Conference on Organic Agriculture. " The conference was held 
recently at the Global Financial Capital of New York, 70 Broad Street, and was 
broadcast internationally via satellite and Internet webcast. (See 
www.GlobalFinancial CapitalNY. org for a replay of the conference and a 
schedule of upcoming conferences. )
  Profound difference between conventional organic and
Unified Field-based organic agriculture
  Dr. Hagelin explained the profound difference between conventional organic 
agriculture, which raises plants without toxic chemicals, pesticides, and 
fertilizers, and Unified Field-based organic agriculture. "Unified Field-based 
agriculture raises current organic standards to an entirely new level of purity 
and nutritional potency to produce maximum health-supporting benefits for the 
consumer—such as balanced physiological functioning, total brain functioning, 
and higher states of consciousness. "
  The physics of Unified Field-based organic agriculture
  Dr. Hagelin said that to understand Unified Field-based organic 
agriculture—and its power to transform the nutritional potency of a 
plant—requires an understanding of the Unified Field, which is the unified 
source of the diversified universe as brought to light by modern physics.
  "According to Superstring theories, all the elementary particles, such as the 
electron, and all the forces, such as the photon of electromagnetism, are just 
the stable vibrational modes (energy eigenstates) of the Superstring. This also 
is true of atoms, molecules, and indeed of any stable object, whether 
microscopic or macroscopic, " Dr. Hagelin said.
  "The mechanics of transformation of one particle into another, or one 
chemical compound into another, is always through the application of sound. For 
example, to transform sugar into water, you add oxygen. To transform a diseased 
state of the physiology into a healthy state, you add herbs or pharmaceuticals. 
But ultimately, all such particles and compounds are just sounds—vibrational 
modes of the Unified Field. This is the `chemistry of sound,' through which you 
can transform anything into anything," he said. 
  Unified Field-based organic agriculture is the modern 
scientific reformulation of the ancient Vedic science of agriculture 
  Dr. Hagelin said that Unified Field-based organic agriculture is the modern 
scientific reformulation of the ancient Vedic science of organic agriculture—as 
brought to light by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. 
  "Vedic science is the complete science of the Unified Field, including all of 
its vibrational modes—or Vedic sounds. These Vedic sounds can be applied to 
transform anything into anything—including, in agriculture, transforming 
growing plants into exceptionally healthy, nutritious crops," Dr. Hagelin said.
  "During key developmental stages of a maturing plant, the plant is highly 
sensitive to environmental influence

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reflections on Patanjali's Yoga Sutras

[Richard J. Williams]

> > According to Patanjali, Ishvara is the inner controller, 
> > higher than even the subtlest relative.
> >
Billy wrote:
> In some circles Ishvara represents Brahman and his consort 
> Prakriti, wherein is found his immanent nature Brahma, the 
> son, the Creative intelligence behind and controlling the 
> Gunas/Prakriti.
>
There's no mention in Patanjali's Yoga Sutras of Ishvara "and 
his consort" - that idea came much later with the rise of the 
tantric sects during the Gupta Age. The Yoga of Patanjali is 
based on the Sankhya or radical dualism - there's no shakti 
in it and no impersonal God, which if you think about it, is 
a contradiction in terms. 

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sixties Gurus Go On Tour

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Sal Sunshine
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 10:56 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sixties Gurus Go On Tour

 


OK, maybe I should have said, that he can't go to those places on account of
subpoenas he'd get if he did. That's true, that they would want him to come
here and maybe they do, but as long as he doesn't they apparently can't
subpoena him.

That's what I've heard, Judy.

That's true. Last time he came to MUM the local sheriff was at his door
trying to serve a subpoena, with lawyers fending him off.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reflections on Patanjali's Yoga Sutras

[Vaj]

On May 9, 2007, at 2:21 PM, qntmpkt wrote:


--Thanks, Vaj, as usual!. Your analysis, though astute, is typically
Vajian erudite and consistent with history; but I'm into the NOW
reality of which M-Fields are predominant.


I think the M-fields are still existing in all of the above with an  
authentic master of any of these traditions. The problem is 'can most  
people differentiate between spiritual placebo effects from authentic  
transmission?' Either way, the key is maintaining the transmission  
thru guru-yoga: uniting your consciousness with the masters and see  
what happens. If one has that link, one is connected to the M-field,  
irrespective of time or distance.



Origins make no
difference. By analogy, Toyota is surpassing the other auto makers
in sales. This is significant!. ...but I don't care about the
origins of Toyota.
If we look at the major influences NOW, we can categorize them as a
simple list: for example a. the TM "Movement" on its last legs...
(too bad), b. SSRS, c. Ammachi; d. Tibetan Buddhism as a whole e. Neo-
Advaita; etc.
These types of Movements are what I'm interested in, not an
academic analysis of their origins in relationship to the original
founders. Make sense?.


Somewhat. It's vital to understand and appreciate where, why and how  
they differ.

[FairfieldLife] GM crop taints honey two miles away

[Vaj]

GM crop taints honey two miles away, test reveals

The Sunday Times, September 15, 2002
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-416027,00.html [you have  
to register for Times' sites]


 EVIDENCE that genetically modified (GM) crops can contaminate food  
supplies for miles around has been revealed in independent tests  
commissioned by The Sunday Times.


 The tests found alien GM material in honey from beehives two miles  
from a site where GM crops were being grown under government  
supervision. It is believed to have been carried there by bees  
gathering pollen in the GM test sites.


 The disclosure, showing that GM organisms can enter the food chain  
without consumers — or even farmers — knowing they are present, will  
undermine assurances by Tony Blair and ministers that such crops can  
be tested in Britain without contaminating the food chain.


 The test results come as ministers, under pressure from the  
American agrochemical lobby, mount a huge consultation exercise to  
persuade the public of the virtues of GM foods. They have previously  
given assurances that consumers “are not being used as guinea pigs”.


 The GM material was found in honey sold from farmer David Rolfe’s  
hives at Newport-on-Tay in Fife, almost two miles from one of 18  
sites holding trials of GM oil-seed rape.


 A test carried out by GeneScan, a respected independent laboratory  
in Bremen, Germany, checked for traces of an NOS terminator, one of  
four modified genes which make the crop resistant to pesticides. This  
proved positive.


 A second test confirmed that GM material in the honey could have  
come only from oil- seed rape grown at Wester Friarton, in Newport-on- 
Tay, by Aventis, one of the world’s biggest biotechnology firms. The  
fact that the GM material travelled such a distance makes a mockery  
of the government’s 50m-200m crop-free “buffer” zones that were  
created around GM sites to protect neighbouring farms. Critics have  
claimed that the GM crop trial sites are too close to other farms.  
America has buffer zones of up to 400m, Canada up to 800m, and the  
European Union recommends a 5km (three-mile) zone for GM oilseed rape.


 When Rolfe first raised his concerns, government officials said  
that although it was not possible to rule out cross-pollination, they  
did not believe it should be “a source of concern”.


 “I’m very angry and disappointed,” Rolfe said last week. “I feel  
I’ve been denied the right and freedom to eat my own GM-free produce.  
Now we can’t eat the honey or sell it.”


 This weekend Defra, the ministry responsible for the crop trials,  
said: “We have not seen the results of the study but will treat any  
such findings extremely seriously.”


 In the case of GM rape, like most GM products, there is no evidence  
that contamination poses a health risk. Concern centres on  
maintaining the integrity of traditionally produced products.


 Tim Lang, professor of food policy at Thames Valley University,  
said: “The early assurances from the industry and the government that  
a buffer zone would allow safety and choice for consumers are falling  
apart. It raises environmental health worries, and what we don’t yet  
know is whether these warnings will translate into a risk to human  
health.”


 Britain has imposed a moratorium on the widespread planting of GM  
crops until it has analysed the impact of GM crop trials at 18 farm- 
scale sites around Britain.


 However, The Sunday Times’s tests confirm earlier work that was  
carried by Friends of the Earth, the environmental group, and will  
increase pressure on the government to scale down its support for the  
GM industry.


 It will also come as a personal setback to Blair, who is determined  
that British companies will win a share of the potentially lucrative  
bioscience industry. In May the prime minister attacked GM protesters  
as part of an “anti-science fashion” in Britain.


 The tests will bring pressure on Aventis, which was accused of a  
“serious breach” of regulations earlier this year after GM trials in  
12 sites were contaminated with antibiotic genes. These are  
controversial because of the danger of gene transfer to bacteria in  
animals and humans, who could become immune to common life- saving  
antibiotics.


 While the government tends to support the GM lobby, food retailers  
have been more cautious. The big supermarkets insist that such  
products are properly labelled and refuse to take honey from within  
six miles of UK test sites.


In Canada, a leading cultivator of GM crops, sales of honey have  
plummeted by 50% amid concern that the integrity of the product has  
been compromised.


 A spokesmen for Aventis said: “We would be very interested in  
looking at both the origin of the honey sample and how the tests were  
carried out. We would like to look at this further

[FairfieldLife] recent conference webcast doubts

[claudiouk]

Is there ever a real audience present I wonder, of non-meditators. In 
the middle of listening to the live conference - MMY speaking at the 
moment. Just listening for my own benefit it's OK I guess - I'm 
keeping in touch with developments; occasionally there is something 
new or that makes more sense; but mostly seems too repetive - heard 
it all before etc. So for instance today the theme is about 
consciousness based education developing the whole brain. There is 
lots of interesting stuff, but one would like to see more a 
documentary approach - seeing snipets of real lessons, pupil views, 
more examples of how non-scientific subjects are represented in the 
unified field charts etc.

But then I think what if I were an educator attending such a 
conference for the very first time and having never heard of TM or 
the unified field even.. These presentations supposedly are to 
attract interest in what is on offer. However(a) now the problem is 
that there is SO MUCH information that is relevant but will be 
COMPLETELY new to the audience; (b) how to present this in a way that 
will make most sense to THEM, so that in spite of their natural 
misgivings they can relate to the message and see its value; and (c) 
what is it they NEED practically to go away afterwards with concrete 
examples and strategies for communicating their understanding AND 
persuading authorities to take this innovation more seriously.

I really don't think that the format of these presentations is likely 
to favour such outcomes. Firstly Haglin's equations are barely 
understandable by people familiar with his talks and are 
incomprehensible to educators even in the science disciplines. Their 
natural reaction would be deefensive - well that's YOUR 
interpretation (and they are right). Secondly MMY comes in and spends 
ages going round in obscure circles this time from the perspective of 
Veda - usually one remembers AH and BRUM because repeated a lot, but 
otherwise complete beginners would have NO IDEA about what the Vedic 
tradition is - most educators these days don't even know much about 
their own Bible (if Christian). So after hearing a long 
winded "mathematical" discussion they don't unders have to endure 
Maharishi's Vedic take, another alien element. The Morris comes in 
and instead of relating what has been said to the audience's needs 
simply punishes them with another REPEAT of the previous speakers' 
main points. 

Personally I think the TMO would benefit ENORMOUSLY from focus groups 
for each sector of society they wish to engage with. Unfortunately 
they see no value from feedback whatsoever, seeing wisdom an up-down 
process only!!

Even with the Central University plan why would students from the 
SAME State want to spend all their time with fellow citizens, in 
segregated campuses - the whole point of a university is to mix with 
others from different backgrounds and gain something extra from the 
cross-fertilization. NOBODY has bothered to look at it from the point 
of view of the STUDENT.

No surprise then that these conferences pay no attention to the point 
of view of the AUDIENCE!!!



tand in terms of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reflections on Patanjali's Yoga Sutras

[qntmpkt]

--Thanks, Vaj, as usual!.  Your analysis, though astute, is typically 
Vajian erudite and consistent with history; but I'm into the NOW 
reality of which M-Fields are predominant.  Origins make no 
difference.  By analogy, Toyota is surpassing the other auto makers 
in sales.  This is significant!.  ...but I don't care about the 
origins of Toyota.
  If we look at the major influences NOW, we can categorize them as a 
simple list:  for example a. the TM "Movement" on its last legs...
(too bad), b. SSRS, c. Ammachi; d. Tibetan Buddhism as a whole e. Neo-
Advaita; etc.
  These types of Movements are what I'm interested in, not an 
academic analysis of their origins in relationship to the original 
founders. Make sense?.
  Thanks again! PS. You could, perhaps, enjoy a lively exchange of 
ideas with Buddhist scholar Robert Thurman.
.


- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> That's only because the three are related in terms of emergence. 
Non- 
> dual Shaivite Hinduism is likely derived from Zhang Zhung rishi's 
pre- 
> Buddhist Mantrayana and Mahasandhi. Advaita Vedanta is a Hindu  
> reaction to Nagarjuna's Madhyamaka .
> 
> One should not confuse advaita with advaya.
> 
> On May 8, 2007, at 6:20 PM, matrixmonitor wrote:
> 
> > --Precisely!. Among the impersonalist viewpoints, one can merge 3
> > circles into an overlapping area: 1. Saivite Hinduism (TM fits in
> > here), 2. Buddhism, and 3. Neo-Advaita.
> > Then refer to the standard Advaita-Vedanta texts, such as that 
Yoga
> > Vasistha, Patanjali, Shankara, Ramana Maharshi recorded messages, 
and
> > countless Buddhist texts.
> > Conjectures regarding the nature of the highest, or most powerful
> > relative entities, such as Brahma, Vishnu, Krishna, Yahweh, etc; 
are
> > speculative. IMO, the bottom line is what is the connection to 
such
> > entities and PHYSICAL reality? If there's no connection, then
> > discussions regarding such Personalities are academic. That is,
> > unless individuals have a real, personal connection to Them on an
> > inner plane level.
> > But basically, unless Krishna can give me a good stock market
> > prediction, I'm not interested in relating to Him.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Cho, I mean Che

[Jason Spock]

 
   
   The Original Chinese Fake 
 
  A rivetting, first league biography of Mao, that tells the man from the 
self-manufactured myth, says Ashok Malik  
 
  Posted online: Sunday, July 31, 2005 
  
  IT is a measure of just how thoroughly Jung Chang and Jon Halliday 
researched their subject that their footnotes and index stretch to 153 pages. 
The 659 pages that make up the main story are packed with facts, information, 
revelations about, really, not just Mao but the tempestuous history of China 
from the end of the Manchu empire — in a decade when imperial orders from 
Turkey to Germany to Austria collapsed — to years of civil war, to the surreal 
violence of the Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution, to 1975 and 1976, when, 
within 17 months of each other, Chiang Kai-shek and Mao Tse-tung died and ended 
one of history’s great rivalries. 
  
  Yet the strength of this book is not just in what it says but how it says 
it. Jung Chang and Halliday have produced a first-class biography, a rivetting 
read that, in some sections, resembles a thriller. In particular, chapter 52 — 
‘‘Falling out with Lin Biao’’ — is racy cloak and dagger stuff. It ends with 
Lin Biao and his wife and son fleeing China, only to die in a ‘‘mysterious’’ 
air crash. 
  
  This chapter, more than most others perhaps, brings out the mad dystopia 
that China had become in Mao’s last days. In seems an almost unreal world 
today; yet it is so remarkably evocative of the shadowy and conspiratorial 
inner chambers of Cold War-era dictators. 
  One manifestation of this was in the use of language. When Lin sought to 
ridicule a Mao protege — ‘‘the party no. 7, Zhang Chunqiao’’ — he called him 
‘‘the Cobra... partly because he wore glasses, and partly because of his 
snake-like qualities’’. Lin’s coterie demanded ‘‘the Cobra be ‘put to the death 
of the thousand cuts’.’’ 
   
Lin’s son Li-guo, nicknamed the ‘‘Tiger’’, is the book’s doomed tragic 
hero —‘‘His parents worshipped him, and his mother had sent agents all over 
China to look for the most beautiful young woman to be his wife. Tiger chose a 
sexy fiancee who was intelligent... With her he listened to Western rock music, 
which he adored, and told her: ‘There will be a day when I will let the Chinese 
know there is such wonderful music in the world’.’’ 
   
In 1971, Lin’s son produced ‘‘Outline of Project 571’’: ‘‘Tiger chose 
the name because ‘571’ — wu-qi-yi — has the same pronunciation in Chinese as 
‘armed uprising’.’’ The paper was an indictment of Mao — called ‘‘B-52’’ by 
Tiger, because he ‘‘had a big stomach full of evil thoughts, each one like a 
heavy bomb that would kill masses of people’’ — who deserved assassination. One 
plan was to ‘‘fly helicopters on a suicide mission against Mao on Tiananmen 
Gate’’. 
   
Tiger, say the authors, ‘‘saw right through Mao ... as evil’’. Indeed, 
establishing this assessment is the principal theme of the book. Jung Chang and 
Halliday take pains to tell the Mao the man from his self-glorifying myths. 
They point out he happily invented the ‘‘heroic’’ crossing of the Dadu river 
during the Long March, with — as Edgar P Snow wrote, being fed the version by 
Mao — ‘‘Reds... moving forward on their hands and knees, tossing grenade after 
grenade into the enemy machine-gun nest’’. 
  
  The book debunks the story: ‘‘There was no battle at the Dadu Bridge... 
There were no Nationalist troops... no battle casualties.’’ The 22-man vanguard 
‘‘who, according to the myth, stormed the bridge in a suicide attack’’ were all 
alive and well at a celebration the following week. In truth, Mao simply 
‘‘walked across the Dadu Bridge on 31 May 1935’’. 
   
The Dadu Bridge (non)-episode was characteristic of a man 
‘‘ideologically rather vague’’ with no ‘‘heartfelt commitment’’ to anything 
other than himself. 
   
Indeed Mao joined the Party only when it asked him to manage a 
bookshop: ‘‘Mao had become a Communist — not after an idealistic journey, or 
driven by passionate belief, but by being at the right place at the right time, 
and being given a job that was highly congenial to him. He had been effectively 
incorporated into an expanding organisation.’’ 
  So in the end, the greatest Communist was only a careerist. There’s hope yet 
for the UPA government.
   
by Ashok Malik
   
 
   
   


 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Sixties Gurus Go On Tour

[Robert Gimbel]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine  
> wrote:
> >
> > On May 9, 2007, at 10:39 AM, authfriend wrote:
> > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine 

> > > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> On May 9, 2007, at 10:08 AM, Rick Archer wrote:
> > > 
> > >>> Are you kidding? Maharishi has a lousy reputation in India.
> > >>> If he's  remembered at all, he's thought of as a businessman.
> > >>> Amma and SSRS are the best-known living gurus, and they have
> > >>> stellar reputations, as do a number of dead ones, such as
> > >>> Ramana Maharshi, Yogananda, Aurobindo, etc.
> > >>
> > >> Actually, I thought he had been banned from India on account of
> > >> financial shenanigans.  Same thing over here.
> > >
> > > That wouldn't make any sense. If there are folks
> > > (the state or individuals) who think he's swindled
> > > them, they'd *want* him to come to their countries
> > > so they could prosecute or sue him. As long as he
> > > stays away, they can't get at him.
> > 
> > OK, maybe I should have said, that he can't go to those places on 
> > account of subpoenas he'd get if he did.  That's true, that they 
> > would want him to come here and maybe they do, but as long as he 
> > doesn't they apparently can't subpoena him.
> > 
> > That's what I've heard, Judy.
> 
> Yup, that's my understanding too.

Well, it could be all about money;
You know how it corrupts things...
I don't think these other Guru's had as much $$$ on hand;
Nor did they have dreams of building new cities, and saving the 
planet.
So, it's like comparing apples and oranges.
But, you know how jealous people get about money, especially in India;
Which has the history of the Caste System, as well as the British 
Monarchy rule.
By the way, the queen of england? at the WH with G.W.- What's up with 
that? 
r.g.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sixties Gurus Go On Tour

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> On May 9, 2007, at 10:39 AM, authfriend wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine 
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> On May 9, 2007, at 10:08 AM, Rick Archer wrote:
> > 
> >>> Are you kidding? Maharishi has a lousy reputation in India.
> >>> If he's  remembered at all, he's thought of as a businessman.
> >>> Amma and SSRS are the best-known living gurus, and they have
> >>> stellar reputations, as do a number of dead ones, such as
> >>> Ramana Maharshi, Yogananda, Aurobindo, etc.
> >>
> >> Actually, I thought he had been banned from India on account of
> >> financial shenanigans.  Same thing over here.
> >
> > That wouldn't make any sense. If there are folks
> > (the state or individuals) who think he's swindled
> > them, they'd *want* him to come to their countries
> > so they could prosecute or sue him. As long as he
> > stays away, they can't get at him.
> 
> OK, maybe I should have said, that he can't go to those places on 
> account of subpoenas he'd get if he did.  That's true, that they 
> would want him to come here and maybe they do, but as long as he 
> doesn't they apparently can't subpoena him.
> 
> That's what I've heard, Judy.

Yup, that's my understanding too.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Cho, I mean Che

[Jason Spock]

 
   
  I meant oppression and suppression figuratively.  Don't take it Literaly

TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 16:46:57 -
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Cho, I mean Che


In what order?

I mean, if I'm supposed to work up a good hate
for this guy, it would really help to know 
whether he wanted to fuck them first and then
kill them, or...uh...the other way around.

Different order of psycho magnitude, dude.
   
   
  --- Jason Spock  wrote:
>
> And, Karl Marx was a Racist.
> 
> He wanted to fuck and kill blacks.
   

 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Having fun with a mild form of death -- was: Sixties Gurus Go On Tour

[Duveyoung]

"curtisdeltablues" wrote:  "But when a bigger monkey locks on to the
eyes of a smaller monkey, the message has been clear for about 50
million years. 

Yeah, yeah, I know, but it's a spiritual event to me -- every event is
-- but to me the telepathy, the synchrony, the clarity all sprang from
deep levels and were far easier to see than in "ordinary life."  The
kids I stared at were in communion with me, ya know?

In ordinary life, with so much to attend, I find that when I most want
to respond to something -- with full bladder urgency -- silence is
always a very important option to have in mind.  Just a few seconds of
it can be an epiphany to all parties.  Like those telephone service
commercials where one person is talking and the line goes dead but
they think the other person is merely being silent? -- then truth
begins to flow from the speakers -- very delightful.

When one is silent, then God is forced to speak from other nervous
systems instead, and thus one's compassion can arise as the
perspectives of others are revealed.  Until silence is used as a
common communication strategy, one is only singing in the shower -- a
hunka hunka burnin noise.

Thankya, thankya verahmuch,

Edg

[FairfieldLife] Re: recent photos of rishikesh & Chair order cancelled

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> >
> > I do not lead a "normal" life, never wanted to, never have. After 
> > spending 12 years on Purusha I now work fulltime as a freelance 
> > photographer. Never a dull day, but hardly remarkable.
> 
> In all seriousness, no digs intended *at all*, are
> there any of your photos on the Web that we can see?
> I'm always interested in seeing the visual artwork
> of the people I talk to on the Internet.

There is, but you would have to know in what agency to search, and I am 
not in the mood to give you that clue :-)
But if you wanted I could post some photos from Paris here perhaps. 
That is, if it is not too PC'problematic since I'm not exactly a PC-
wizard, or too timeconsuming. 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Waiting for the stock market to open: meditation and "drumming"

[Peter]

--- boo_lives <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert
> Gimbel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister
>  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I'm not a drummer, just "play" drums (mostly
> electronic:
> > > a couple of Roland and Casio[!] pads, and
> Alesis4 module) for fun 
> > and
> > > relaxation. 
> > > 
> > > Lately, been quite frustrated because I don't
> > > seem to able to keep the rhythm as "accurate"
> (not really)
> > > as used to. Well, let's say, it's been even more
> inaccurate
> > > than it used to.
> > > 
> > > This morning, right after my morning (duh!)
> session, when
> > > was still sitting cross-legged on my bed, I
> started tapping
> > > some improvised, syncopated rhythm on my knees,
> with the palms of 
> > my 
> > > hands. Was quite surprised, because could, IMO,
> keep tha rhythm
> > > much more "accurate" than been the case, lately.
>  :0
> > 
> > Recently, having been involved with a Shaman, it
> seems they use the 
> > steady drum beat of the drum, to go into trance;
> > So, I would suggest to be completely effortless
> with the drum, as the 
> > Indians do in their native drum circles.
> > This is so powerful, because it is like the primal
> sound of the earth.
> > And these cultures were very grounded, and moved
> freely about with 
> > the earthly spirits, as well, as the Heavenly
> Ones.
> > r.g.
> 
> Yeah, and your first 9 months were spent floating
> around listening to
> the steady beat of your mother's heart - no wonder
> drumming is so
> powerful.

I've completely shifted from my drum set to the
doumbek (middle eastern hand drum). In fact I'm having
my first professional gig this Saturday night at an
American Cancer Society fundraiser. I'm playing along
with two other drummers and a belly dancer. Should be
fun.

I love the middle Eastern rhythms (favorites are
Saiidi , Malfouf, and Bambi). When you're playing with
good drummers you can enter a huge transcendent space.
All sorts of tones and rhythms can be heard (that
nobody is playing)inside the rhythms. People usually
check their cell phones thinking that they're
producing the sounds. 



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[FairfieldLife] Re: Cho, I mean Che

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   And,  Karl Marx was a Racist.
>
>   He wanted to fuck and kill blacks.

In what order?

I mean, if I'm supposed to work up a good hate
for this guy, it would really help to know 
whether he wanted to fuck them first and then
kill them, or...uh...the other way around.

Different order of psycho magnitude, dude.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sixties Gurus Go On Tour

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> On May 9, 2007, at 10:39 AM, authfriend wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine 
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> On May 9, 2007, at 10:08 AM, Rick Archer wrote:
> > 
> >>> Are you kidding? Maharishi has a lousy reputation in India.
> >>> If he's  remembered at all, he's thought of as a businessman.
> >>> Amma and SSRS are the best-known living gurus, and they have
> >>> stellar reputations, as do a number of dead ones, such as
> >>> Ramana Maharshi, Yogananda, Aurobindo, etc.
> >>
> >> Actually, I thought he had been banned from India on account of
> >> financial shenanigans.  Same thing over here.
> >
> > That wouldn't make any sense. If there are folks
> > (the state or individuals) who think he's swindled
> > them, they'd *want* him to come to their countries
> > so they could prosecute or sue him. As long as he
> > stays away, they can't get at him.
> 
> OK, maybe I should have said, that he can't go to those places on 
> account of subpoenas he'd get if he did.  That's true, that they 
would 
> want him to come here and maybe they do, but as long as he doesn't 
they 
> apparently can't subpoena him.
> 
> That's what I've heard, Judy.
> 
> Sal

Thats what Sal has heard in the rumor-mill - what a joke !

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sixties Gurus Go On Tour

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of nablusoss1008
> Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 4:11 AM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sixties Gurus Go On Tour
> 
>  
> 
> > I think Maharishi is the only one still alive who was teaching in 
the 
> > sixties. A fact which I love how it makes the anti-TM 
fundamentalists 
> > here squirm and grimace. You feel the grimace on your face don't 
chya?
> > 
> > OffWorld
> 
> And the only Teacher from the sixties with a good standing and 
> reputation in India. With the exeption of AnandaMayiMa of course, 
but 
> then again, she was an Avatar.
> 
> Are you kidding? Maharishi has a lousy reputation in India. If he's
> remembered at all, he's thought of as a businessman. Amma and SSRS 
are the
> best-known living gurus, and they have stellar reputations, as do a 
number
> of dead ones, such as Ramana Maharshi, Yogananda, Aurobindo, etc.

Not my experience at all after 25 years of travelling in India up to 
this day. He is the one who is reviving the Vedic civilisation in 
India and creating thousands of schools all over the country, not 
Amma or this Ravi Shankar fellow. Ask any well educated or well-to-do 
indian and he will for sure have read about Amma in the newspapers or 
seen a self-conscious Shankar on the television, but the real respect 
is reserved for Maharishi and what he is doing for India. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: recent photos of rishikesh & Chair order cancelled

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I do not lead a "normal" life, never wanted to, never have. After 
> spending 12 years on Purusha I now work fulltime as a freelance 
> photographer. Never a dull day, but hardly remarkable.

In all seriousness, no digs intended *at all*, are
there any of your photos on the Web that we can see?
I'm always interested in seeing the visual artwork
of the people I talk to on the Internet. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Cho, I mean Che

[Jason Spock]

 
  And,  Karl Marx was a Racist.
   
  He wanted to fuck and kill blacks.

ShempMcGurk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 14:13:33 -
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Cho, I mean Che

   
  Che and Cho 
By Humberto Fontova
FrontPageMagazine. com | May 7, 2007

His writings revealed a severely troubled young man. "My nostrils 
dilate while savoring the acrid odor of gunpowder and blood. Crazy 
with fury I will stain my rifle red while slaughtering any enemy that 
falls in my hands! With the deaths of my enemies I prepare my being 
for the sacred fight and join the triumphant proletariat with a 
bestial howl!"

The term "hatred" was a constant in his writings: "Hatred as an 
element of struggle"; "hatred that is intransigent; " "hatred so 
violent that it propels a human being beyond his natural limitations, 
making him violent and cold- blooded killing machine."

His deranged fantasies included a continental reign of Stalinism. To 
achieve this ideal the troubled youth craved, "millions of atomic 
victims."

The troubled young Argentine was aloof and contemptuous towards 
everyone around him: "I have no home, no woman, no father, no mother, 
no brothers. My friends are friends only when they think as I do 
ideologically. "

Fortunately for the troubled young Argentine, while a vagabond in 
Mexico city, he had the good fortune to meet an exceedingly shrewd 
judge of the human psyche who quickly became his mentor. This shrewd 
judge, a Cuban exile, properly diagnosed the Argentine's psychosis 
and made an "intervention" in the nick of time, channeling the 
troubled youth's talents and yearnings toward ends considered 
constructive by the worldwide intelligentsia: establishing Stalinism.

Shortly, the Argentine found himself gainfully employed in Cuba. His 
raging bloodlust was amply indulged in the extermination of anti-
Communist Cubans, a species of mammal that enlightened opinion 
worldwide considers an insufferable pest.

At first the troubled young Argentine took an active role in the mass 
murder of defenseless Cubans, shattering the skulls of the convulsed 
victims with a blast from his own pistol. But given the volume of 
these murders the task proved fatiguing and the Argentine soon 
appointed Cuban henchmen to better facilitate the serial bloodbath. 
Not that he distanced himself from the slaughter. In fact, he took 
such a keen delight in the murder process that a special window was 
constructed in his office allowing him to watch and gloat at the orgy 
of bloodletting in the field below his office.

In this process the Argentine was helping his Cuban mentor establish 
a personal fiefdom that would prove quite enduring, to put it mildly. 
Alas, the (live) Argentine's usefulness to his mentor would prove 
nowhere near as enduring and soon his "martyrdom" was skillfully 
arranged.

No sane person would wear a Cho t-shirt. No decent person would 
tolerate one in his surroundings. But Che's Guevara's image is 
considered the most reproduced image of the century, gracing 
everything from t-shirts to posters, from thong undies to 
skateboards, from cellphones to infant "Onezies." Hollywood hails him 
in blockbuster movies and Time magazine celebrates him among 
the "heroes and icons" of the century, alongside Mother Theresa.

Any serious analyst of Che's "guerrilla" campaigns cannot escape the 
conclusion that Ernesto Guevara was actually incapable of applying a 
compass reading to a map. Yet seemingly sane historians place him 
alongside Mao Tse Tung of (the 8,000-mile) "long march" fame.

In scope, range and duration the Che Guevara farce far surpasses any 
other in modern history. In comparison, The South Sea Bubble was a 
chump operation. Only the modern era's master huckster and media 
manipulator -- with the eager aid of his ever-faithful accomplices in 
the Western media, academia, publishing and filmmaking -- could have 
created a masterful guerrilla warrior and secular saint out of this 
sadist, coward, and epic idiot.

Fidel Castro's influence over the Western "intelligentsia" can only 
be described as magical, and renders any public evaluation of his 
regime among the smart set completely devoid of logic. To wit:

He brought the world closest of anyone to Nuclear Armageddon. Yet he 
was nominated for a Nobel Peace Price by Norwegian parliamentarians. 
He jailed and tortured at a rate higher than Stalin. Yet Cuba sat on 
the UN's Human Rights Committee. 
His legal code mandates 18 months in prison for anyone overheard 
cracking a joke about him. Yet Jack Nicholson and Chevy Chase sing 
his praises. 
He abolished habeas corpus while his chief hangman (Che Guevara 
himself) declared that judicial evidence is an archaic bourgeois 
detail." Yet Harvard Law School invited him as their guest of honor, 
then erupted in cheers and tumultuous ovations after his every third 
sentence. 
He drove out a higher percentage of Jews from Cuba than Czar Nicholas 
drove from Russia. Yet Shoah

[FairfieldLife] Re: recent photos of rishikesh & Chair order cancelled

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  
> wrote:
> >
> > > My take is that the craftsman was a greedy little crook who 
needed 
> > some correction. Maharishi would never do such a thing, if it is 
a 
> > true story, without a very good reason.
> 
> Nab, You have me speechless on this one.  I'd really like to know 
more 
> about you, occupation etc., to gain insight into how you interact 
with 
> the world on a daily basis.  I'm not meaning to judge you, it's 
just 
> that I find your take on some things remarkable, and curious how 
this 
> might play out on a daily basis, in so called normal life.
> 
> lurk
> >

Speechless eh ? Fine. Brilliant.
I do not lead a "normal" life, never wanted to, never have. After 
spending 12 years on Purusha I now work fulltime as a freelance 
photographer. Never a dull day, but hardly remarkable.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Waiting for the stock market to open: meditation and "drumming"

[boo_lives]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister  
> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > I'm not a drummer, just "play" drums (mostly electronic:
> > a couple of Roland and Casio[!] pads, and Alesis4 module) for fun 
> and
> > relaxation. 
> > 
> > Lately, been quite frustrated because I don't
> > seem to able to keep the rhythm as "accurate" (not really)
> > as used to. Well, let's say, it's been even more inaccurate
> > than it used to.
> > 
> > This morning, right after my morning (duh!) session, when
> > was still sitting cross-legged on my bed, I started tapping
> > some improvised, syncopated rhythm on my knees, with the palms of 
> my 
> > hands. Was quite surprised, because could, IMO, keep tha rhythm
> > much more "accurate" than been the case, lately.  :0
> 
> Recently, having been involved with a Shaman, it seems they use the 
> steady drum beat of the drum, to go into trance;
> So, I would suggest to be completely effortless with the drum, as the 
> Indians do in their native drum circles.
> This is so powerful, because it is like the primal sound of the earth.
> And these cultures were very grounded, and moved freely about with 
> the earthly spirits, as well, as the Heavenly Ones.
> r.g.

Yeah, and your first 9 months were spent floating around listening to
the steady beat of your mother's heart - no wonder drumming is so
powerful.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sixties Gurus Go On Tour

[boo_lives]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> On May 9, 2007, at 10:39 AM, authfriend wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine 
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> On May 9, 2007, at 10:08 AM, Rick Archer wrote:
> > 
> >>> Are you kidding? Maharishi has a lousy reputation in India.
> >>> If he's  remembered at all, he's thought of as a businessman.
> >>> Amma and SSRS are the best-known living gurus, and they have
> >>> stellar reputations, as do a number of dead ones, such as
> >>> Ramana Maharshi, Yogananda, Aurobindo, etc.
> >>
> >> Actually, I thought he had been banned from India on account of
> >> financial shenanigans.  Same thing over here.
> >
> > That wouldn't make any sense. If there are folks
> > (the state or individuals) who think he's swindled
> > them, they'd *want* him to come to their countries
> > so they could prosecute or sue him. As long as he
> > stays away, they can't get at him.
> 
> OK, maybe I should have said, that he can't go to those places on 
> account of subpoenas he'd get if he did.  That's true, that they would 
> want him to come here and maybe they do, but as long as he doesn't they 
> apparently can't subpoena him.
> 
> That's what I've heard, Judy.
> 
> Sal

I think that's the case with the US for tax reasons - even pro-MMY
charlie lutes used to say that.  I was with the security detail for
MMY's visit in 84 for utopia course and there were plans what to do if
an official came trying to deliver a subpoena.  I've heard MMY is not
welcomed in switz or india though I wonder if it's a real legal
situation or he just can't get the tax treatment he'd like anymore. 
In highly political India it just might be that MMY used to give money
to that right-wing fundamentalist party and earned the ire of the more
liberal parties now in power.  I don't think mmy's health would allow
him to travel anymore anyways.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sixties Gurus Go On Tour

[Sal Sunshine]

On May 9, 2007, at 10:39 AM, authfriend wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:


On May 9, 2007, at 10:08 AM, Rick Archer wrote:



Are you kidding? Maharishi has a lousy reputation in India.
If he's  remembered at all, he's thought of as a businessman.
Amma and SSRS are the best-known living gurus, and they have
stellar reputations, as do a number of dead ones, such as
Ramana Maharshi, Yogananda, Aurobindo, etc.


Actually, I thought he had been banned from India on account of
financial shenanigans.  Same thing over here.


That wouldn't make any sense. If there are folks
(the state or individuals) who think he's swindled
them, they'd *want* him to come to their countries
so they could prosecute or sue him. As long as he
stays away, they can't get at him.


OK, maybe I should have said, that he can't go to those places on 
account of subpoenas he'd get if he did.  That's true, that they would 
want him to come here and maybe they do, but as long as he doesn't they 
apparently can't subpoena him.


That's what I've heard, Judy.

Sal

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sixties Gurus Go On Tour

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> On May 9, 2007, at 10:08 AM, Rick Archer wrote:

> > Are you kidding? Maharishi has a lousy reputation in India.
> > If he's  remembered at all, he's thought of as a businessman.
> > Amma and SSRS are the best-known living gurus, and they have 
> > stellar reputations, as do a number of dead ones, such as
> > Ramana Maharshi, Yogananda, Aurobindo, etc.
> 
> Actually, I thought he had been banned from India on account of 
> financial shenanigans.  Same thing over here.

That wouldn't make any sense. If there are folks
(the state or individuals) who think he's swindled
them, they'd *want* him to come to their countries
so they could prosecute or sue him. As long as he
stays away, they can't get at him.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sixties Gurus Go On Tour

[Sal Sunshine]

On May 9, 2007, at 10:08 AM, Rick Archer wrote:


> I think Maharishi is the only one still alive who was teaching in the
 > sixties. A fact which I love how it makes the anti-TM 
fundamentalists
 > here squirm and grimace. You feel the grimace on your face don't 
chya?

 >
 > OffWorld

 And the only Teacher from the sixties with a good standing and
 reputation in India. With the exeption of AnandaMayiMa of course, but
 then again, she was an Avatar.
Are you kidding? Maharishi has a lousy reputation in India. If he’s 
remembered at all, he’s thought of as a businessman. Amma and SSRS are 
the best-known living gurus, and they have stellar reputations, as do 
a number of dead ones, such as Ramana Maharshi, Yogananda, Aurobindo, 
etc.


Actually, I thought he had been banned from India on account of 
financial shenanigans.  Same thing over here.


Sal

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sixties Gurus Go On Tour

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of nablusoss1008
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 4:11 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sixties Gurus Go On Tour

 

> I think Maharishi is the only one still alive who was teaching in the 
> sixties. A fact which I love how it makes the anti-TM fundamentalists 
> here squirm and grimace. You feel the grimace on your face don't chya?
> 
> OffWorld

And the only Teacher from the sixties with a good standing and 
reputation in India. With the exeption of AnandaMayiMa of course, but 
then again, she was an Avatar.

Are you kidding? Maharishi has a lousy reputation in India. If he's
remembered at all, he's thought of as a businessman. Amma and SSRS are the
best-known living gurus, and they have stellar reputations, as do a number
of dead ones, such as Ramana Maharshi, Yogananda, Aurobindo, etc.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Having fun with a mild form of death -- was: Sixties Gurus Go On Tour

[Rory Goff]

Duve, this was so beautiful that I read it out loud to my wife -- 
first time I've ever done that with a FFL offering, and a bit of a 
contradiction I suppose (loudly pronouncing your panagyric to the 
power of silence), but what of That? She totally dug it too. It 
reminded her of her Dad, who was indeed as quietly centered as Shiva. 
Thanks. And for me, you've summed up my own current stance toward 
FFL, and toward the fair field of Life -- simply to be Aware, to be 
Awareness, quietly to Be, unconditional and whole-hearted; the rest 
takes care of itself. On the surface this approach might appear 
uninvolved and bloodless, but au contraire -- it has shown me through 
an anciently unconscious fear and hatred of Purusha for Prakriti (and 
vice versa) to the utter love-passion, surrender, and identity of 
Shiva-Shakti.

*L*L*L*

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Good writing!
> 
> Unfortunately, it's sponsored by Tamas.  If one is rejecting 
anything,
> it is ego's blind perspective channeling Tamas The Ancient One.
> 
> To thwart Kali's Dancing, only silence is the answer. Only silence 
can
> brace Her.
> 
> I was a substitute gym teacher for a day.  So we played dodge ball, 
of
> course.  Well, these seventh graders would cheat their own moms in
> this activity.  A ball would graze a kid, and if he thought no one 
saw
> it -- meaning the substitute teacher -- then it didn't happen.  To
> these kids denial was one of the game's skills -- if you could pull 
it
> off with panache, you could even get the one who threw the ball to
> agree that it wasn't a hit.
> 
> So here's me in the bleachers watching the action.  Most of the hits
> were solid enough that the kids would move off the court, but the
> grazes were still a big problem.
> 
> Big Problem I tell ya, right there in river city where B and P rhyme
> with whatever and it stands for T.
> 
> Kali was on that court.
> 
> Except when?
> 
> When silence was there.
> 
> All I had to do was be looking into the eyes of any grazed kid when 
he
> instinctively looked up at me to see if I witnessed the event.  If I
> was staring at him, he'd just his lower his arms and walk off the
> court.  Not a word needed to be said, and the kid was moral.  
Silence
> is the only perfect mirror.  Anything less and the image will be 
given
> a fun-house twist to the truth, and the person mirrored can glom 
onto
> that and cry "foul -- that's not me!"
> 
> I've had a few spiritual experiences, but watching the kids' fealty 
to
> the power of witnessing was right up there with all of them in terms
> of palpability. It was like I had an attack dog next to me and the
> kids knew I was mean enough to say, "Sic 'em, Rover."
> 
> I felt like Shiva -- ending their court lives in a snuff, knowing
> absolutely it was their own fault to stand in the way of a ball of
> karma, and being wonderfully, perfectly, absolutely okay with my 
role
> of doing nothing and yet being the basis of dharmic fair play.
> 
> It was as good as that time I fell in love with the Italian ditch
> digger in Fiuggi Fonte, but that's another story.
> 
> Edg
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Having fun with a mild form of death -- was: Sixties Gurus Go On Tour

[curtisdeltablues]

"When silence was there.

All I had to do was be looking into the eyes of any grazed kid when he
instinctively looked up at me to see if I witnessed the event. If I
was staring at him, he'd just his lower his arms and walk off the
court. Not a word needed to be said, and the kid was moral. Silence
is the only perfect mirror. Anything less and the image will be given
a fun-house twist to the truth, and the person mirrored can glom onto
that and cry "foul -- that's not me!"

I've had a few spiritual experiences, but watching the kids' fealty to
the power of witnessing was right up there with all of them in terms
of palpability. It was like I had an attack dog next to me and the
kids knew I was mean enough to say, "Sic 'em, Rover."

Me: As usual I enjoyed your writing.  My take is that although silence
may have its virtues, the key component here is eye contact.  You
actually did have an attack dog message that any high level mammal
would understand.  Eye contact is more primal and effective than any
shout, not because of the silence, but because its direct message
isn't diluted with more higher brain engagement.  You were plugged
directly into the mammalian brain.  I agree that words in this
situation invite more words.  But when a bigger monkey locks on to the
eyes of a smaller monkey, the message has been clear for about 50
million years. 

As a sideline note, closing your eyes after eye contact delivers Dr.
Doolittle connection with cats and birds.  If you get close to a
parrot and close your eyes you signal that you are not a predator and
they will fluff their feathers and invite grooming.  Blinking after
eye contact is how cats define territories. (they also use the eye
contact and  deliberate look-way signal).  Using it on a cat you don't
know will often bring them running over to you since you have good
kitty manners. (much to my deep regret it does not work in bars on
women where only the universal language of the "roofie" ensures results)





--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Samadhi Is Much Closer Than You
> Think -- Really -- It's A No-Brainer."  wrote:
> 
> ". . . predacious beastiality of unbridled tamas in the toxic waste
> dump, not in the general society. Tamagun has been jerkin' our yuga
> around far too much!  Make for spanky on tamagunas bad ass!"
> 
> Good writing!
> 
> Unfortunately, it's sponsored by Tamas.  If one is rejecting anything,
> it is ego's blind perspective channeling Tamas The Ancient One.
> 
> To thwart Kali's Dancing, only silence is the answer. Only silence can
> brace Her.
> 
> I was a substitute gym teacher for a day.  So we played dodge ball, of
> course.  Well, these seventh graders would cheat their own moms in
> this activity.  A ball would graze a kid, and if he thought no one saw
> it -- meaning the substitute teacher -- then it didn't happen.  To
> these kids denial was one of the game's skills -- if you could pull it
> off with panache, you could even get the one who threw the ball to
> agree that it wasn't a hit.
> 
> So here's me in the bleachers watching the action.  Most of the hits
> were solid enough that the kids would move off the court, but the
> grazes were still a big problem.
> 
> Big Problem I tell ya, right there in river city where B and P rhyme
> with whatever and it stands for T.
> 
> Kali was on that court.
> 
> Except when?
> 
> When silence was there.
> 
> All I had to do was be looking into the eyes of any grazed kid when he
> instinctively looked up at me to see if I witnessed the event.  If I
> was staring at him, he'd just his lower his arms and walk off the
> court.  Not a word needed to be said, and the kid was moral.  Silence
> is the only perfect mirror.  Anything less and the image will be given
> a fun-house twist to the truth, and the person mirrored can glom onto
> that and cry "foul -- that's not me!"
> 
> I've had a few spiritual experiences, but watching the kids' fealty to
> the power of witnessing was right up there with all of them in terms
> of palpability. It was like I had an attack dog next to me and the
> kids knew I was mean enough to say, "Sic 'em, Rover."
> 
> I felt like Shiva -- ending their court lives in a snuff, knowing
> absolutely it was their own fault to stand in the way of a ball of
> karma, and being wonderfully, perfectly, absolutely okay with my role
> of doing nothing and yet being the basis of dharmic fair play.
> 
> It was as good as that time I fell in love with the Italian ditch
> digger in Fiuggi Fonte, but that's another story.
> 
> Edg
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: 2000 strong enterprise idea

[Robert Gimbel]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "claudiouk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> Supposing we wanted to create self-sustaining large yogic flying 
> groups of 400, 1000, 2000, or maximum 10,000 - without government 
> involvement and support.. what kind of enterprises would be 
suitable 
> for such a project? I'm not myself into business so wouldn't really 
> have a clue. I did have the idea of a free newspaper for London 
some 
> years ago - relying on ads, printing news from other sources plus 
> occasional features - including ones on TM - sparingly - hence free 
> publicity, reaching a huge audience. But now there are three free 
> papers in the capital, competing with each other. 
> 
> Did you have ideas for such an enterprise or come across any from 
> friends? MMY seems to have opted for educational establishments, 
> agriculture, MAV clinics and products, pandit services etc. But no 
> manufacturing, assembly, information, distribution or service 
> enterprises and wonder why not.
> 
> Or maybe he tried these without success already? Shame that MIU/MUM 
> never came out with any invention or innovation (eg more efficient 
> solar panel or internet breakthrough) that could have provided the 
> necessary funds for all the TMO projects.
>

You would just need to convince a few billionares;
That this idea is viable and practical.
There is so much money floating around in the stock market, etc;
That it's all involved with 'other things'.
But if you could get just a few neo-con types, that are connected,
And could see the benefit of this, it could be funded, and advertized 
in a way which would attract a certain segment of society;
Especially some of the lost younger people now, listening to nonsense 
on the I-pod, etc.
r.g.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sixties Gurus Go On Tour

[Robert Gimbel]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel"  
> wrote:
> 
> > Peace & Love: Maharishi is the original hippie!?
> > What can we do with those youngins' who are just interested in 
> stupid 
> > unspiritual stuff; 
> > Then again, on the other side of the globe, we have youngins' who 
> > want to die, and get to the virgins in heaven...Crazy world, huh?
> > Anyway, it doesn't matter how many angels can sit on the head of 
a 
> > needle, does it.
> > Angels are so powerful, the mere presence of one, changes 
everything.
> 
> Any personal details, please?

Yes, in answer to your question, I was given some information on 
Archangel Michael, to the effect, that calling him, and feeling his 
vibration as strength, courage, and a blue light, would protect one 
from just about anything.
So, I have done that on occasion, and have a certain belief system 
which seems to work for me.
Also, recently, I heard of a guy in Sedona, Arizona, who claims to be 
enlightened, and came up with a way of measuring spiritual power, and 
angels come out as being many times as powerful, as humans, could be, 
according to his theory.
In terms of warding off evil spirits, or excorsizing demons, and that 
type of thing;
I've experienced it's better to do that as they say in the 
church, 'In the Name of Jesus', since the evil one could not tempt 
the one known as Jesus of Nazareth;
Or the names of Krishna, or Shiva, can be used also.
It's good to send to bad or confused energy 'back to the Light',
To be transformed, burned up, and so on.
Sending bad energy 'back to the Light', can be thought of as up to 
Heaven, up through the crown chakra, from the lower energies, which 
may get stuck in the bodies, lower chakras:
To send it up and out through the crown and into the Light.
r.g.

>

[FairfieldLife] 2000 strong enterprise idea

[claudiouk]

Supposing we wanted to create self-sustaining large yogic flying 
groups of 400, 1000, 2000, or maximum 10,000 - without government 
involvement and support.. what kind of enterprises would be suitable 
for such a project? I'm not myself into business so wouldn't really 
have a clue. I did have the idea of a free newspaper for London some 
years ago - relying on ads, printing news from other sources plus 
occasional features - including ones on TM - sparingly - hence free 
publicity, reaching a huge audience. But now there are three free 
papers in the capital, competing with each other. 

Did you have ideas for such an enterprise or come across any from 
friends? MMY seems to have opted for educational establishments, 
agriculture, MAV clinics and products, pandit services etc. But no 
manufacturing, assembly, information, distribution or service 
enterprises and wonder why not.

Or maybe he tried these without success already? Shame that MIU/MUM 
never came out with any invention or innovation (eg more efficient 
solar panel or internet breakthrough) that could have provided the 
necessary funds for all the TMO projects. 

[FairfieldLife] Having fun with a mild form of death -- was: Sixties Gurus Go On Tour

[Duveyoung]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Samadhi Is Much Closer Than You
Think -- Really -- It's A No-Brainer." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

". . . predacious beastiality of unbridled tamas in the toxic waste
dump, not in the general society. Tamagun has been jerkin' our yuga
around far too much!  Make for spanky on tamagunas bad ass!"

Good writing!

Unfortunately, it's sponsored by Tamas.  If one is rejecting anything,
it is ego's blind perspective channeling Tamas The Ancient One.

To thwart Kali's Dancing, only silence is the answer. Only silence can
brace Her.

I was a substitute gym teacher for a day.  So we played dodge ball, of
course.  Well, these seventh graders would cheat their own moms in
this activity.  A ball would graze a kid, and if he thought no one saw
it -- meaning the substitute teacher -- then it didn't happen.  To
these kids denial was one of the game's skills -- if you could pull it
off with panache, you could even get the one who threw the ball to
agree that it wasn't a hit.

So here's me in the bleachers watching the action.  Most of the hits
were solid enough that the kids would move off the court, but the
grazes were still a big problem.

Big Problem I tell ya, right there in river city where B and P rhyme
with whatever and it stands for T.

Kali was on that court.

Except when?

When silence was there.

All I had to do was be looking into the eyes of any grazed kid when he
instinctively looked up at me to see if I witnessed the event.  If I
was staring at him, he'd just his lower his arms and walk off the
court.  Not a word needed to be said, and the kid was moral.  Silence
is the only perfect mirror.  Anything less and the image will be given
a fun-house twist to the truth, and the person mirrored can glom onto
that and cry "foul -- that's not me!"

I've had a few spiritual experiences, but watching the kids' fealty to
the power of witnessing was right up there with all of them in terms
of palpability. It was like I had an attack dog next to me and the
kids knew I was mean enough to say, "Sic 'em, Rover."

I felt like Shiva -- ending their court lives in a snuff, knowing
absolutely it was their own fault to stand in the way of a ball of
karma, and being wonderfully, perfectly, absolutely okay with my role
of doing nothing and yet being the basis of dharmic fair play.

It was as good as that time I fell in love with the Italian ditch
digger in Fiuggi Fonte, but that's another story.

Edg

[FairfieldLife] Re: recent photos of rishikesh & Chair order cancelled

[lurkernomore20002000]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> > My take is that the craftsman was a greedy little crook who needed 
> some correction. Maharishi would never do such a thing, if it is a 
> true story, without a very good reason.

Nab, You have me speechless on this one.  I'd really like to know more 
about you, occupation etc., to gain insight into how you interact with 
the world on a daily basis.  I'm not meaning to judge you, it's just 
that I find your take on some things remarkable, and curious how this 
might play out on a daily basis, in so called normal life.

lurk
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Reflections on Patanjali's Yoga Sutras

[Vaj]

That's only because the three are related in terms of emergence. Non- 
dual Shaivite Hinduism is likely derived from Zhang Zhung rishi's pre- 
Buddhist Mantrayana and Mahasandhi. Advaita Vedanta is a Hindu  
reaction to Nagarjuna's Madhyamaka .


One should not confuse advaita with advaya.

On May 8, 2007, at 6:20 PM, matrixmonitor wrote:


--Precisely!. Among the impersonalist viewpoints, one can merge 3
circles into an overlapping area: 1. Saivite Hinduism (TM fits in
here), 2. Buddhism, and 3. Neo-Advaita.
Then refer to the standard Advaita-Vedanta texts, such as that Yoga
Vasistha, Patanjali, Shankara, Ramana Maharshi recorded messages, and
countless Buddhist texts.
Conjectures regarding the nature of the highest, or most powerful
relative entities, such as Brahma, Vishnu, Krishna, Yahweh, etc; are
speculative. IMO, the bottom line is what is the connection to such
entities and PHYSICAL reality? If there's no connection, then
discussions regarding such Personalities are academic. That is,
unless individuals have a real, personal connection to Them on an
inner plane level.
But basically, unless Krishna can give me a good stock market
prediction, I'm not interested in relating to Him.

[FairfieldLife] Viewing HHDL at Smith College

[Vaj]

You can view the Dalai Lama's address at Smith's college if you are
not fortunate enough to attend the event-

SEE IT ON TELEVISION- Public television station WGBY in Springfield,
MA will broadcast the address live. WGBH in Boston will air it at noon
Wednesday May 9,2007.

VIEW THE WEBCAST- Go to www.smith.edu/dalailama for details.

[FairfieldLife] Bevan asks us to send the attached document to all our Sidha friends

[Dick Mays]

From: Purusha Communications < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: May 7, 2007 9:35 PM
Subject: Bevan asks us to send the attached document to all our Sidha friends
To: Purusha <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >


A message to all Sidhas from the Maharishi PurushaSM Program
At the Invincible America Assembly

Purusha is having a remarkable, deeply fulfilling experience at the 
Invincible America Assembly and we invite all Sidhas to come.


Last November, 120 members of Purusha arrived from Maharishi's home 
in Vlodrop, Holland and from Livingston Manor,  New York to join the 
Invincible America Assembly in Fairfield. Maharishi had invited 
Purusha to "enjoy a feast of experiences." Since then Purusha has 
been fully participating in the Assembly and deeply enjoying the 
indescribable atmosphere created by 1800 Yogic Flyers and 550 
Maharishi Vedic Pandits. Our Purusha group has been all over the 
world doing our program, but being here at this time, participating 
in the Invincible America assembly under Maharishi's care and 
guidance, has been one of the most evolutionary phases in our 25-year 
history.


Here are two typical comments from Purusha members:

"I can honestly say that total knowledge has never before been so 
clear to me as it is here, and my progress towards Unity 
Consciousness has never been so rapid or so satisfying. I have been 
deeply gratified by my level of experience, and by the profound 
guidance that Maharishi has been giving to the Assembly, removing any 
obstacles that may stand in the way of a Sidha's progress to 
Enlightenment. It must be the time. Make hay when the sun shines. I 
look forward to our exceeding 2000 and I warmly invite everyone in 
our world family to join us on campus and in Maharishi Vedic  City 
for this great feast of knowledge and experience."


"For me the Invincible America Assembly is the pinnacle of my Purusha 
experience and life growing up in Maharishi's Movement. Over the 
years we have experienced the power of Maharishi's Vedic pandits 
chanting the hymns of the Veda, the historic World Peace Assemblies 
where we briefly participated in powerful Super Radiance groups, and 
Maharishi's direct attention on our daily experiences. Here Maharishi 
has brought all these together, exploring and guiding our every 
experience in the light of Unity-all to quickly bring about our 
joyful realization of Aham Brahmasmi-I am Totality."


Describing the Invincible America Assembly, Maharishi has repeatedly 
said that our primary aim is to enjoy bliss and hasten our own 
Enlightenment, with Heaven on Earth and permanent world peace as a 
wonderful by-product.  We want to personally invite you, along with 
your family and friends, to take advantage of this incredible 
opportunity which Maharishi has created for us all.  Being here 
amongst the various groups-550 Maharishi Vedic Pandits, Maharishi's 
Purusha and Mother Divine groups, more than 1000 other pioneers of 
Invincibility-is truly a transforming experience.  As our numbers 
grow, it is clear that the benefits increase for ourselves, for the 
USA and for the world.


Come and join the Assembly now-for a week, a month, a season, or, 
better yet, permanently.


Jai Guru Dev





Message_to_Sidhas.doc
Description: MS-Word document

[FairfieldLife] Re: Saving the planet, by the Master. An article from Share International

[nablusoss1008]

Saving the planet
by the Master —, through Benjamin Creme

When mankind realizes how serious is the ecological imbalance of 
their planetary home, they must take the steps so urgently needed to 
remedy the situation. If men were to fail to respond with sufficient 
resolution they would be guilty of surrendering the planet to slow 
but inevitable destruction. What, then, the legacy to hand on to 
their children? That this self-destruction should not prevail all 
must act together, and make the necessary sacrifices. This will 
entail a complete change in attitude to the integrity of the planet 
and what are seen as the needs of men today.
It will not be easy for some to countenance the changes needed but 
only by such change can the life of the planet be assured. Already, 
deep inroads have been made into the essential stock of trees on 
Earth. De-forestation has caused a growing loss of oxygen and the 
rise of carbon gases. This is now at a critical stage and requires 
immediate action.

Dawning

The reality of global warming is now dawning on the minds of 
millions, yet, despite the overwhelming evidence some still deny that 
the actions of men are the cause.
We, your Elder Brothers, can say with full conviction that the 
actions of men are responsible for eighty per cent of global warming.
Maitreya, you will find, will not be long in bringing this urgent 
problem to man's attention. He will face men with the alternatives: 
the beneficial results of action now, on the one hand, and the 
destruction which would ensue from doing nothing, or too little, on 
the other. Thus, the decision is man's alone.

Rally

When men understand this they will indeed rally to the cause. They 
will see that the future for their children depends on action now, 
and will elicit from Maitreya and His group the necessary steps to 
take. Maitreya will advocate a simpler form of living, one more in 
keeping with the reality of the planet's situation. When enough 
people are convinced that this is necessary there will be a growing 
movement to simplify throughout the planet. This will proceed with 
quite unusual speed, so inspired by the need for change will millions 
be. Thus will the gravest dangers facing planet Earth be somewhat 
countered. This will encourage many and boost their readiness for 
further changes.
Faced with the dilemma of necessary change men will come to realize 
the inevitability of accepting the principle of sharing. Only sharing 
will make these changes practical and possible. Only through sharing 
can the bounty of Planet Earth be successfully used. Only through 
sharing can this bounty be correctly husbanded. Only thus can the 
Planet itself live in harmony with its environment and with its 
inhabitants.

For more information, please see: http://www.shareintl.org

[FairfieldLife] Re: recent photos of rishikesh

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin"  
> wrote:
> >
> snip
> > >
> > So you are insinuating that Maharishi is an unethical crook? Was 
> > Mark the possibly French dude the actual one to write the check 
to 
> > the craftsman, or was he just an anti-social seeker?
> 
> Jim, I'm just relating a story to the best of my recollection.  We 
> were all gathered around to hear the latest news and inspirational 
> stories this Purusha guy had.  This is the part I remember.  I am 
> sorry to say that on balance, his talk was not that inspiring.  You 
> may draw any conclusions you wish. During this time I practiced 
> program at the center every afternoon without fail.
> 
> lurk 
> >

My take is that the craftsman was a greedy little crook who needed 
some correction. Maharishi would never do such a thing, if it is a 
true story, without a very good reason.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sixties Gurus Go On Tour

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sinhlnx" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --Below: people should have respect for MMY.  I do have respect for 
> him everyday when I play a powerful video of him and 15 Pundits doing 
> the traditional puja followed by a powerful puja to Mahalakshmi; and, 
> I  have respect for MMY for teaching me TM, through my initiator.
>   However, I have little respect for the man for demolishing the TM 
> Movement by charging such high prices.

Your "respect" stops at prices ? 
Maharishi put the prizes up for very good reasons indeed. Check with 
Bob Brigantes notes in the database somewhere.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sixties Gurus Go On Tour

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > boo_lives wrote:
> > > ...only live Gurus would be allowed on the tour.
> > > 
> > Good one, but Osho is dead the last time I checked, boo boo.
> >
> 
> I think Maharishi is the only one still alive who was teaching in the 
> sixties. A fact which I love how it makes the anti-TM fundamentalists 
> here squirm and grimace. You feel the grimace on your face don't chya?
> 
> OffWorld

And the only Teacher from the sixties with a good standing and 
reputation in India. With the exeption of AnandaMayiMa of course, but 
then again, she was an Avatar.

[FairfieldLife] Re: message from purusha

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> Sounds like they're all reading from the same
> brochure! Where's the f***ing juice in these
> experiences? They all need to get laid and eat some
> chicken or something.

Seems to me the "Dr." would benefit from some rounding... 

> 
> --- george_deforest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > A message to all Sidhas 
> > from the Maharishi Purusha Program
> > At the Invincible America Assembly
> > 
> > Purusha is having a remarkable, deeply fulfilling
> > experience 
> > at the Invincible America Assembly and we invite 
> > all Sidhas to come.
> > 
> > Last November, 120 members of Purusha arrived from
> > Maharishi's home 
> > in Vlodrop, Holland and from Livingston Manor, New
> > York 
> > to join the Invincible America Assembly in
> > Fairfield. 
> > Maharishi had invited Purusha to "enjoy a feast of
> > experiences." 
> > Since then Purusha has been fully participating in
> > the Assembly 
> > and deeply enjoying the indescribable atmosphere
> > created by 
> > 1800 Yogic Flyers and 550 Maharishi Vedic Pandits. 
> > Our Purusha group has been all over the world doing
> > our program, 
> > but being here at this time, participating in the
> > Invincible America
> > assembly under Maharishi's care and guidance, has
> > been one of 
> > the most evolutionary phases in our 25-year history.
> > 
> > Here are two typical comments from Purusha members:
> > 
> > "I can honestly say that total knowledge has never
> > before been 
> > so clear to me as it is here, and my progress
> > towards 
> > Unity Consciousness has never been so rapid or so
> > satisfying. 
> > I have been deeply gratified by my level of
> > experience, 
> > and by the profound guidance that Maharishi has been
> > giving 
> > to the Assembly, removing any obstacles that may
> > stand 
> > in the way of a Sidha's progress to Enlightenment. 
> > It must be the time. Make hay when the sun shines. 
> > I look forward to our exceeding 2000 and I warmly
> > invite 
> > everyone in our world family to join us on campus 
> > and in Maharishi Vedic City for this great feast of
> > knowledge 
> > and experience."
> > 
> > "For me the Invincible America Assembly is the
> > pinnacle of my 
> > Purusha experience and life growing up in
> > Maharishi's Movement. 
> > Over the years we have experienced the power of
> > Maharishi's 
> > Vedic pandits chanting the hymns of the Veda, 
> > the historic World Peace Assemblies where we briefly
> > participated 
> > in powerful Super Radiance groups, and Maharishi's
> > direct attention 
> > on our daily experiences. Here Maharishi has brought
> > all these 
> > together, exploring and guiding our every experience
> > in 
> > the light of Unity -- all to quickly bring about our
> > joyful
> > realization of Aham Brahmasmi -- I am Totality."
> > 
> > Describing the Invincible America Assembly,
> > Maharishi has 
> > repeatedly said that our primary aim is to enjoy
> > bliss and hasten 
> > our own Enlightenment, with Heaven on Earth and
> > permanent world peace
> > as a wonderful by-product.  We want to personally
> > invite you, 
> > along with your family and friends, to take
> > advantage of this
> > incredible opportunity which Maharishi has created
> > for us all.  
> > Being here amongst the various groups -- 550
> > Maharishi Vedic Pandits,
> > Maharishi's Purusha and Mother Divine groups, more
> > than 1000 
> > other pioneers of Invincibility -- is truly a
> > transforming experience.
> > As our numbers grow, it is clear that the benefits
> > increase 
> > for ourselves, for the USA and for the world.
> > 
> > Come and join the Assembly now -- for a week, a
> > month, a season, 
> > or, better yet, permanently.
> > 
> > Jai Guru Dev
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > To subscribe, send a message to:
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Reflections on Patanjali's Yoga Sutras

[Robert Gimbel]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "matrixmonitor" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --Precisely!. Among the impersonalist viewpoints, one can merge 3 
> circles into an overlapping area:  1. Saivite Hinduism (TM fits in 
> here), 2. Buddhism, and 3. Neo-Advaita.
>  Then refer to the standard Advaita-Vedanta texts, such as that 
Yoga 
> Vasistha, Patanjali, Shankara, Ramana Maharshi recorded messages, 
and 
> countless Buddhist texts.
>  Conjectures regarding the nature of the highest, or most powerful
> relative entities, such as Brahma, Vishnu, Krishna, Yahweh, etc; 
are 
> speculative. IMO, the bottom line is what is the connection to such 
> entities and PHYSICAL reality?  If there's no connection, then 
> discussions regarding such Personalities are academic.  That is, 
> unless individuals have a real, personal connection to Them on an 
> inner plane level.
>   But basically, unless Krishna can give me a good stock market 
> prediction, I'm not interested in relating to Him. 
> 
 Well, I'm not sure if Krishna is that interested in the Stock 
Market, as you seem to be, 
But, nonetheless, I have had experience with feelings, or intuitions, 
which seem to come from a higher place.
It's been hard for me to trust these intuitions, when they come,
But they are quite accurate.
The market basically goes, from over optimistic, to over pessimistic.
Eliot wave theory.
So, you basically tune into the natural rythmns of the thing.
Also, you can tune into certain entities, that play the market, for 
their own personal gain. Short term stuff...
But, playing with the OEX index, can be fun, if you have the nerve, 
to follow your gut feeling, intuition, and if you feel it comes from 
a higher place, maybe it does?
r.g.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Waiting for the stock market to open: meditation and "drumming"

[Robert Gimbel]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> 
> 
> I'm not a drummer, just "play" drums (mostly electronic:
> a couple of Roland and Casio[!] pads, and Alesis4 module) for fun 
and
> relaxation. 
> 
> Lately, been quite frustrated because I don't
> seem to able to keep the rhythm as "accurate" (not really)
> as used to. Well, let's say, it's been even more inaccurate
> than it used to.
> 
> This morning, right after my morning (duh!) session, when
> was still sitting cross-legged on my bed, I started tapping
> some improvised, syncopated rhythm on my knees, with the palms of 
my 
> hands. Was quite surprised, because could, IMO, keep tha rhythm
> much more "accurate" than been the case, lately.  :0

Recently, having been involved with a Shaman, it seems they use the 
steady drum beat of the drum, to go into trance;
So, I would suggest to be completely effortless with the drum, as the 
Indians do in their native drum circles.
This is so powerful, because it is like the primal sound of the earth.
And these cultures were very grounded, and moved freely about with 
the earthly spirits, as well, as the Heavenly Ones.
r.g.
> o
>

[FairfieldLife] GREEK PRESIDENT GREETS INDIAN PRESIDENT IN SANSKRIT

[rama krishna]

Greece and India are two ancient civilizations. President Abdul Kalaam of India 
was recently on a tour of Greece. He recieved a surprise on the  tour when the 
President of Greece,greeted him in Sanskrit. 
   
  The story is given below:
   
  
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Greek_president_greets_Kalam_in_Sanskrit/articleshow/1965800.cms
   
  http://tinyurl.com/3y65b2

   
  It was a pleasant surprise for President A P J Abdul Kalam when his Greek 
counterpart Karolos Papoulias greeted him in Sanskrit at the banquet ceremony 
hosted in honour of the visiting dignitary. 

"Rashtrapati Mahabhaga, Suswagatam Yavana deshe Bhawatam (Mr President, welcome 
you in Greece)", thus began the Greek President his speech at the banquet 
hosted at the Presidential palace on Thursday night much to the delight of the 
Indian delegation. 

Papoulias had studied Sanskrit in Germany and the reason to study the Indian 
classical language was to understand India better. "I wanted to welcome you in 
Sanskrit, the ancient Indian language that is related to ancient Greek, and 
which I had the opportunity to learn and love during my time as a student in 
Germany," the Greek President said. 

"India and Greece were the birthplaces of great civilisations, which at a 
certain point in time, in the era of Alexander the Great, met and formed an 
entirely particular relationship between them. It is said that the importance 
of civilisations is indicated, above all, by their ancient history and the 
beauty of their mythology on Creation. "This criterion is definitely met by our 
cultures. We pride ourselves on Homer's Epic Poetry and Hesiodus and you are 
proud of Mahabharata and Ramayana, with their exceptional theological, 
philological and also philosophical considerations," he said. 

 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: recent photos of rishikesh

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  
> wrote:
> 
> snip
> >
> Or was it, again,
>  
> Lurk the uninformed ...? Whatever...
> 
> Now, you gotta admit, that has a nice ring to it.
>   Lurk The Uniformed.
> Makes me feel like a great Spartan warrior.

Can I be Unc the Unformed?