[FairfieldLife] Re: I quit

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- On Tue, 7/15/08, R.G. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > I posted that I had spoken to a woman, I can't remember
> > her name 
> > right now, hopefully I will remember...
> > She was always regarded as having advanced experiences and
> > I had no 
> > reason not to believe her.
> > She told me that she had started to experience a more
> > advanced form 
> > of levitition and was asked to leave the dome, because it
> > was too 
> > destracting to other's in the dome.
> > I will do research on this and report back when I can
> > remember more.
> > This conversation took place back around 1992...
> 
> Sorry, Absolutely untrue. Nobody was flying in either the 
> men's or women's domes in the early 90's. How the hell 
> people can believe this is just amazing. Again, I'd love 
> it if someone actually flew, but it has not happened. True 
> lack of intellectual discrimination if you belief somebody 
> has flown.

It's more than a lack of discrimination. If you
analyze the story of this woman that R.G. tells
and Nabby's story, they have something in common.
That something is "I," an "I" with self-importance
and elitism issues.

In my experience in spiritual groups, NO ONE gets
a rep for having "advanced experiences" unless they
go out of their way TO get such a rep. And once one
has started down that path (of feeding off the 
attention they get from others because of their
specialness), the "experiences" just seem to get 
better and better, don't they?

I would say that both this woman and Nabby firmly
believe that they "flew." I would also say that 
they believe this because they both have issues
that render them terrified of being normal, and
drive them to invent fantasies that make them 
"special."

Many spiritual teachers go out of their way to
"bust" those fantasies, perceiving them correctly
as ego, and thus *in the way* of the students'
spiritual progress. Maharishi pandered to them
and cultivated them. Is it any wonder that in some
these fantasies "escalated" from "I am saving the
world by bouncing on my butt" to "I can fly?"

[FairfieldLife] Buddhism May Be Dying Out in Japan

[John]

To All:

Buddhists need to push the envelope to exist.  Or, they should have a 
televangelist to increase the following.  See article below.

Come to think of it, will this trend happen to TMO?



In Japan, Buddhism May Be Dying Out 
 Ko Sasaki for The New York Times
 
By NORIMITSU ONISHI
Published: July 14, 2008
OGA, Japan — The Japanese have long taken an easygoing, buffetlike 
approach to religion, ringing out the old year at Buddhist temples 
and welcoming the new year, several hours later, at Shinto shrines. 
Weddings hew to Shinto rituals or, just as easily, to Christian ones. 

Skip to next paragraph 
 
The New York Times
When it comes to funerals, though, the Japanese have traditionally 
been inflexibly Buddhist — so much so that Buddhism in Japan is often 
called "funeral Buddhism," a reference to the religion's former near-
monopoly on the elaborate, and lucrative, ceremonies surrounding 
deaths and memorial services. 

But that expression also describes a religion that, by appearing to 
cater more to the needs of the dead than to those of the living, is 
losing its standing in Japanese society.

"That's the image of funeral Buddhism: that it doesn't meet people's 
spiritual needs," said Ryoko Mori, the chief priest at the 700-year-
old Zuikoji Temple here in northern Japan. "In Islam or Christianity, 
they hold sermons on spiritual matters. But in Japan nowadays, very 
few Buddhist priests do that."

Mr. Mori, 48, the 21st head priest of the temple, was unsure whether 
it would survive into the tenure of a 22nd. 

"If Japanese Buddhism doesn't act now, it will die out," he said. "We 
can't afford to wait. We have to do something."

Across Japan, Buddhism faces a confluence of problems, some familiar 
to religions in other wealthy nations, others unique to the faith 
here. 

The lack of successors to chief priests is jeopardizing family-run 
temples nationwide. 

While interest in Buddhism is declining in urban areas, the 
religion's rural strongholds are being depopulated, with older 
adherents dying and birthrates remaining low. 

Perhaps most significantly, Buddhism is losing its grip on the 
funeral industry, as more and more Japanese are turning to funeral 
homes or choosing not to hold funerals at all.

Over the next generation, many temples in the countryside are 
expected to close, taking centuries of local history with them and 
adding to the demographic upheaval under way in rural Japan. 

Here in Oga, on a peninsula of the same name that faces the Sea of 
Japan in Akita Prefecture, Buddhist priests are looking at the cold 
math of a population and local fishing industry in decline.

"It's not an exaggeration to say that the population is about half of 
what it was at its peak and that all businesses have also been 
reduced by half," said Giju Sakamoto, 74, the 91st head priest of 
Akita's oldest temple, Chorakuji, which was founded around the year 
860. "Given that reality, simply insisting that we're a religion and 
have a long history — Akita's longest, in fact — sounds like a fairy 
tale. It's meaningless.

"That's why I think this place is beyond hope," Mr. Sakamoto said at 
his temple, which sits atop a promontory overlooking a seaside 
village.

To survive, Mr. Sakamoto has put his energies into managing a nursing 
home and a new temple in a growing suburb of Akita City. That temple, 
however, has drawn only 60 households as members since it opened a 
couple of years ago, far short of the 300 said to be necessary for a 
temple to remain financially viable.

For centuries, the average Buddhist temple, whose stewardship was 
handed down from father to eldest son, served a fixed membership, 
rarely, if ever, proselytizing. With some 300 households to cater to, 
the temple's chief priest and his wife were kept fully occupied.

Not only has the number of temples in Japan been dipping — to 85,994 
in 2006, from 86,586 in 2000, according to the Japanese Agency for 
Cultural Affairs — but membership at many temples has fallen.

"We have to find other jobs because the temple alone is not enough," 
said Kyo Kon, 73, the head priest's wife at Kogakuin, a temple here 
with 170 members. She used to work at a day care center while her 
husband was employed at a local land planning office.

[FairfieldLife] Re: I quit

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> 
> > Nabby and Judy are my *research assistants*. Don't
> > anyone drive them away.  :-)
> 
> Barry, when Andrew tried that ploy, it didn't *work*,
> remember?

I dunno. You still seem pretty pissed off at him
for creating the "Junkyard Dog" site, posting *your
own words*. There is not a person on this forum who
can't feel the hatred you have for him when you write
about him. And you lost it heavily when I did the
same in the series of "Things TMers Believe" posts.

Besides, Andrew wasn't writing science fiction. :-)

Suffice it to say that a publisher friend liked 
the early drafts of the stories, and was *horrified* 
by some of the things my future-cult-Inquisition 
characters were saying. He said, "How could you 
possibly *imagine* anyone that insane, and that 
mean-spirited?"

I had to admit that I hadn't, that the dialog came
from you, and that you were serious when you said it.

Keep it up. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: U.S. Immigration

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> off_world_beings wrote:
> > But you are right, it will happen to the US, but the difference 
> > is that the US will be uplifted by the selling off to foreigners 
> > of the best real estate and companies, as is already happening. 
> > Now it is is going to speed up. It is so great taking back what 
> > is rightfully ours.
> 
> Apparently not as this is looking like it is going to be a global 
> crash too.  Probably even effecting Spain.

Exactly why I'm starting to write and sell other
things. Consulting for a company that is the world
leader in its field may not be the smartest thing 
in the world to rely on in a world that may have no 
money to spend on software. 

As many sociologists and anthropologists have
pointed out, the key to survival is not strength
or power, but flexibility, the ability to adapt
to changing conditions. The rigid die, the 
flexible survive.

[FairfieldLife] Re: I quit

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "R.G." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> This already happened, so you don't have to worry.
> This whole thing was brought to Federal Court, concerning the Puja, 
> and it being a religious thing-
> So, it was banned from being taught in schools.
> So, there you go; the chaos ensued from that stupid decision as 
> well as others.
> The belief in God or a Higher Power or any universal principle, is 
> not taught in school. There are obviously more important things.
> Very sad situation.

The "sad situation" is that there are people on 
this planet who think that a belief in God *should*
be taught in schools, as if it were fact. 

What should be taught is an *overview* of world 
religions and spiritual beliefs, dispassionately
and with NONE of them being presented as "correct"
or "right," much less "best." Atheism and belief
systems such as Buddhism that do not have a God
concept should be taught right alongside the God-
based systems.

No *techniques* from any of these belief systems
should ever be taught in the schools, only the 
dogma and theory that the belief systems espouse.

IMO this would prepare students to *make their own
decisions* about such things. They can decide to
have something to do with one or more of these
belief systems based on knowledge of *what they
are*, and knowledge of what the other competing
belief systems are. 

Anyone who wants only ONE belief system to be taught
in school systems is a religious fanatic. America
and its founding fathers had a dim view of such
fanatics. It's good to remember that the famous 
quote by Thomas Jefferson that graces his memorial
in Washington D.C. was written about an attempt by
one religious group (Christian) to introduce its
teachings into a school system. Jefferson was quite
clear how he felt about that:

"I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility 
against every from of tyranny over the mind of man."

Suffice it to say I share his hostility towards 
anyone from ANY religion or belief system who tries
to have his beliefs -- and ONLY his beliefs -- taught
in schools. In that sense, I am still an American,
and despise those who would try to change it into
the very opposite of what it was founded to be.

[FairfieldLife] Re: I quit

[Hugo]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> >
> > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > On Behalf Of R.G.
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 12:55 AM
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: I quit
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > >Besides, I have heard of someone who was actually levitating and 
was 
> > asked to leave the dome, because it was too disruptive to others.
> > 
> > I doubt that's a true story (that they were levitating). We would 
have heard
> > a lot more about it if it were.
> >
> 
> If (IF) anyone in the TMO is currently floating, I would expect it 
to be King
> Tony. MMY claimed to have examined Abu-Nader's state of 
consciousness
> in all aspects and found him worthy. He appeared to have  tears in 
his eyes 
> when he was talking on this subject, which is something I don't 
recall ever  
> seeing before. Of course, I may be reading far too much into this, 
but 
> it's an interesting thought, no?


I think this is MMYs clever way of instructing all the TBs 
to place their unswerving obediance in King Tony. He did
it with Hagelin too, "If you want to know what I think, 
listen to John". It makes everyone think he is enlightened,
a smart move in a group where having a representative of the
"absolute" is of paramount importance.

I'd love to see Tony Nader fly, it would make my day! I can't
think of a reason why someone wouldn't want to demonstrate
sidhi powers. The old "I don't want to be remembered as a
circus act" excuse doesn't wash, if you want people to 
believe you know what you're talking about I can think of
no better way.

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: I quit

[gullible fool]

She probably wasn’t levitating, but making some noises or new contortions which 
she defined as “an advanced form of levitation.”
 
Did her nickname rhyme with biss ninny?
 
Heh Rick, where are you? I was looking for you. Just got back from darshan. 
Left around 3:30. Doing only the retreat or not making the trip after all?

"...but mountain doesn't move!"

--- On Tue, 7/15/08, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

From: Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: I quit
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, July 15, 2008, 6:58 PM








 


From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of R.G.
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 5:33 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: I quit
 



I posted that I had spoken to a woman, I can't remember her name 
right now, hopefully I will remember...
She was always regarded as having advanced experiences and I had no 
reason not to believe her.
She told me that she had started to experience a more advanced form 
of levitition and was asked to leave the dome, because it was too 
destracting to other's in the dome.
She probably wasn’t levitating, but making some noises or new contortions which 
she defined as “an advanced form of levitation.”
  


  

[FairfieldLife] Re: I quit

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I'd love to see Tony Nader fly, it would make my day! I can't
> think of a reason why someone wouldn't want to demonstrate
> sidhi powers. The old "I don't want to be remembered as a
> circus act" excuse doesn't wash, if you want people to 
> believe you know what you're talking about I can think of
> no better way.

I can -- knowing what you're talking about.  :-)

Seriously, that is the component that was missing
in many of Maharishi's pronouncements. He clearly
had no grasp of the *issues*, much less his 
proposed "solutions" to them. 

Ok, I *know* that most folks here don't believe
that I witnessed siddhis being performed. But I did,
*whatever* caused me to witness them. So did liter-
ally hundreds of other people who attended Rama's
talks. So did having witnessed these things convince
everyone that he knew what he was talking about?

No, it didn't. I have seen someone I brought to a
talk (a TMer) exclaim during the meditation "He's 
levitating!" or "Shit...he just disappeared," and 
then, the next day, claim that she had seen and 
experienced nothing whatsoever out of the ordinary. 
In a matter of hours she had managed to "blot out" 
any memories of what she had seen and experienced 
and *admitted* seeing and experiencing the night 
before.

The SAME thing would happen with a large percentage
of people if someone in the TMO *could* fly, and 
demonstrated it. Only a small percentage of those
witnessing the phenomenon would 1) believe that they
had actually seen it, or 2) ascribe "knowing what
he's talking about-ness" to the person who flew.

It's just human nature, Richard. Over the years I 
have heard many, many people here say, "All the TMO 
would have to do is demonstrate levitation and all
of the doubts would stop." It's simply not true.
It's something that people who have never witnessed
such phenomena themselves believe. 

Those who have know better. In a remarkably short
time, these phenomena become "background," and
assumed, and kinda ho-hum. I found myself sitting
in lecture halls or out in the desert thinking,
"Oh...he's levitating again...big deal." 

Besides, as far as I can tell, there is NO
RELATIONSHIP between being able to perform
siddhis and one's state of consciousness, or one
"knowing what he's talking about." Apples and
oranges. The non-enlightened can perform siddhis,
and many of the enlightened cannot. 

Again, it is the *rarity* of these phenomena
(together with self-serving dogma from spiritual
traditions) that claims that there is a link 
between siddhis and enlightenment. I perceive
no such link. Back in the early days of his
teaching, neither did Maharishi. He gave several
talks at Squaw Valley in which he said that being
able to perform siddhis had NO relationship to
one's state of consciousness. Later he changed
his tune, "coincidentally" after he had found
a way to make money by claiming to teach people
siddhis.

Bottom line is that my experience tells me that
demonstrations of people flying -- REAL, unfaked
demos of people flying -- would convince only a
small percentage of people that the phenomenon
was actually taking place. The others would find
a way to make it "go away," and to pretend that
they had never seen what they saw. I've seen it
happen over and over and over and over. 

Again, it's just human nature. A lot of the people
HERE who claim that they would like to see siddhis
being performed would wind up denying that they
had seen them. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: I quit

[Richard M]

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo"  wrote:
> >
> > I'd love to see Tony Nader fly, it would make my day! I can't
> > think of a reason why someone wouldn't want to demonstrate
> > sidhi powers. The old "I don't want to be remembered as a
> > circus act" excuse doesn't wash, if you want people to 
> > believe you know what you're talking about I can think of
> > no better way.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Besides, as far as I can tell, there is NO
> RELATIONSHIP between being able to perform
> siddhis and one's state of consciousness, or one
> "knowing what he's talking about." Apples and
> oranges. The non-enlightened can perform siddhis,
> and many of the enlightened cannot. 

Absolutely. After all, the extraordinary achievements of savants do
not lead us to think that such folks are "enlightened". On the
contrary they seem to balance out a disability. Also, strangely, those
quite miraculous abilities don't seem to get the wonder and awe they
deserve, or so it seems to me. It's as if they are just pigeon-holed
into the box called prosaic & commonplace as opposed to a phenomenon
that points beyond itself to something profound. Everyday,
common-as-muck levitation would go the same way perhaps (and on FFL
the association with a disability would no doubt be made!).

[FairfieldLife] Re: I quit

[Hugo]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo"  
wrote:
> >
> > I'd love to see Tony Nader fly, it would make my day! I can't
> > think of a reason why someone wouldn't want to demonstrate
> > sidhi powers. The old "I don't want to be remembered as a
> > circus act" excuse doesn't wash, if you want people to 
> > believe you know what you're talking about I can think of
> > no better way.
> 
> I can -- knowing what you're talking about.  :-)

Fair enough, but I'm thinking more along the lines
of the TMO claiming that the sidhis they teach are
the real deal yet I haven't seen any evidence. If
they produce a genuine flyer we wouldn't be able
to critisize that the TMSP is all wishful thinking
and that MMY knew what he was talking about at least
as far as the sidhis are concerned. Actual enlightenment
is another story and harder to measure than any sidhi.

> Seriously, that is the component that was missing
> in many of Maharishi's pronouncements. He clearly
> had no grasp of the *issues*, much less his 
> proposed "solutions" to them. 
> 
> Ok, I *know* that most folks here don't believe
> that I witnessed siddhis being performed. But I did,
> *whatever* caused me to witness them. So did liter-
> ally hundreds of other people who attended Rama's
> talks. So did having witnessed these things convince
> everyone that he knew what he was talking about?

> No, it didn't. I have seen someone I brought to a
> talk (a TMer) exclaim during the meditation "He's 
> levitating!" or "Shit...he just disappeared," and 
> then, the next day, claim that she had seen and 
> experienced nothing whatsoever out of the ordinary. 
> In a matter of hours she had managed to "blot out" 
> any memories of what she had seen and experienced 
> and *admitted* seeing and experiencing the night 
> before.

I wonder why? A feeling they were duped in some way?
Cognitive dissonance due to jealousy that a non-TMer
was doing something amazing? I know plenty who think
that they are party to the ultimate knowledge and 
everyone else has only partial understanding at best.

I'd be a bit different regarding this example, but
I'd have to be very sure that I was witnessing an 
actual event. I said the other day that I'd seen people
in flying rooms do stuff that appeared to be some sort
of hang time but it's more likely the way they were 
moving when airborne giving the impression of being in 
the air just a *bit* too long as it was still just a 
parabolic curve they were on. Or am I just rationalising
a genuine example of levitation to fit it into my
unconscious idea of how reality should be? Hey, maybe it
was Nablus I saw :-)

> The SAME thing would happen with a large percentage
> of people if someone in the TMO *could* fly, and 
> demonstrated it. Only a small percentage of those
> witnessing the phenomenon would 1) believe that they
> had actually seen it, or 2) ascribe "knowing what
> he's talking about-ness" to the person who flew.

> It's just human nature, Richard. Over the years I 
> have heard many, many people here say, "All the TMO 
> would have to do is demonstrate levitation and all
> of the doubts would stop." It's simply not true.
> It's something that people who have never witnessed
> such phenomena themselves believe. 
> 
> Those who have know better. In a remarkably short
> time, these phenomena become "background," and
> assumed, and kinda ho-hum. I found myself sitting
> in lecture halls or out in the desert thinking,
> "Oh...he's levitating again...big deal." 

I'm trying to decide how much a big deal levitation 
is than finding four-leaved clovers with the mind, 
they both involve some sort of extra addition to what
we need to explain the general human experience. 

It's just that levitation requires rewriting the rule-
book to such a larger extent that very little would 
remain and while people may get used to it as "background"
I think a good few scentists would be more than a
little interested, which is why I think a demonstration
would be the best thing for the TMO as it demonstrates
not just levitation but a mastery of currently understood
physics. And unlike finding clovers it can't really
be explained as simply luck by any sceptics.


 
> Besides, as far as I can tell, there is NO
> RELATIONSHIP between being able to perform
> siddhis and one's state of consciousness, or one
> "knowing what he's talking about." Apples and
> oranges. The non-enlightened can perform siddhis,
> and many of the enlightened cannot. 


> Again, it is the *rarity* of these phenomena
> (together with self-serving dogma from spiritual
> traditions) that claims that there is a link 
> between siddhis and enlightenment. I perceive
> no such link. Back in the early days of his
> teaching, neither did Maharishi. He gave several
> talks at Squaw Valley in which he said that being
> able to perform siddhis had NO relationship to
> one's state of consciousness. Later he change

[FairfieldLife] What is it that most people are most afraid of?

[TurquoiseB]

This is just a café rap inspired by a previous post 
to Richard Hughes earlier today, about whether "demos"
of people flying would radically change people's minds
about the TMO. If you didn't like the original rap,
you aren't going to like this one, so hit NEXT now. :-)

So what is the Big Bad Boogey Man, the thing that most
people on this planet are most afraid of?

Some are going to say death, but I'm going to disagree.
That's kind of a given, and most people have found ways
to either never think about the prospect or to have some
comforting belief about what death involves. 

So, are most people most afraid of terrorism? Of losing
their jobs or a way to make a living and ending up poor
and homeless? Of bad things happening to them or their 
loved ones? If you watch the news, it's clear that all 
of these are BIG fears in the minds of a lot of people 
on this planet. But I don't think any of them is the 
biggest fear, the Big Bad Boogey Man himself.

I think that the BBBM -- the thing that most people are
most afraid of -- is cognitive dissonance. Most people
are most afraid of changing their minds.

I think that the thing they fear the most is that the 
belief systems that they have constructed or adopted to 
"explain" the world around them and how it works are 
wrong or incomplete, and that if they ever admit this, 
they'll be in a position of Having No Clue, having to 
start over and come up with a *new* belief system to 
"explain" the world around them.

My theory -- and it's ONLY a theory, a half-baked opinion --
explains SO MUCH of what we see in the world around us,
and on this forum. Think about the sometimes over-the-top
ways that people react to the idea that maybe Maharishi
wasn't right about everything, or that America is not 
exactly the beacon of wealth, happiness, liberty, justice, 
and freedom for all it pretends to be. Some people go 
CRAZY when these beliefs are challenged. 

And WHY? Well, I think it's because they perceive -- and
correctly -- that if the things that these heretics are
saying about the things that they believe are true, then 
their beliefs themselves are not true, or not complete. 
And if that were so, what then? 

The people who react with anger or TBness IMO perceive a 
quagmire of *cognitive dissonance* lurking behind the
heretics and what they are saying. And they're right. 

But WHY do they fear this?

One would think that a seeker of truth would be *pleased*
to discover that his previous beliefs about a subject 
were incorrect or only partially correct. That would mean
that the seeker HAD LEARNED SOMETHING NEW. He or 
she would have *grown*, expanded his or her knowledge of
the world around them. They wouldn't have "lost" anything
at all, except the illusory certainty that they knew
everything about the world around them already.

As a Buddhist, what I see in the overreactions some have
to their core beliefs being challenged is attachment. If 
they were unattached to their beliefs, what would there be
to fear in having to change them, based on new information?

And yet people DO fear changing their beliefs. They fight
WARS to keep from changing their beliefs, and to impose 
those beliefs on others. 

I think these people are fearful for no reason, and that
cognitive dissonance is a Good Thing. I think it's the
thing that indicates progress -- both intellectual progress 
and spiritual progress. If you still believe exactly the 
same things today that you did last year, IMO you have made 
no progress and learned nothing new during that year. 

The fearful would say, "But...but...but my beliefs haven't
changed because they're RIGHT." That could be. Or it could 
be that their fear that their beliefs AREN'T right or 
complete has made them attack or close themselves off to 
new knowledge that might reveal that their previous beliefs 
weren't right ENOUGH. They weren't quite "there" yet.

So, my theory is that the Biggest Baddest Boogey Man for
most people is the fear of cognitive dissonance -- the
realization that something you believed could not possibly
happen IS happening, right in front of you. Or conversely,
that the things you believed with absolute certainty will 
happen aren't happening. When they are confronted with the 
potential for cognitive dissonance, they react with the 
"fight or flight response" -- they lash out or close down, 
to try to make that potential GO AWAY.

IMO, what they are lashing out at and closing themselves
off to is the universe trying to teach them something new.

[FairfieldLife] Re: I quit

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard M" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo" 
wrote:
> > >
> > > I'd love to see Tony Nader fly, it would make my day! I can't
> > > think of a reason why someone wouldn't want to demonstrate
> > > sidhi powers. The old "I don't want to be remembered as a
> > > circus act" excuse doesn't wash, if you want people to 
> > > believe you know what you're talking about I can think of
> > > no better way.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> >
> > Besides, as far as I can tell, there is NO
> > RELATIONSHIP between being able to perform
> > siddhis and one's state of consciousness, or one
> > "knowing what he's talking about." Apples and
> > oranges. The non-enlightened can perform siddhis,
> > and many of the enlightened cannot. 
> 
> Absolutely. After all, the extraordinary achievements of savants do
> not lead us to think that such folks are "enlightened". On the
> contrary they seem to balance out a disability. Also, strangely, 
> those quite miraculous abilities don't seem to get the wonder and 
> awe they deserve, or so it seems to me. It's as if they are just 
> pigeon-holed into the box called prosaic & commonplace as opposed 
> to a phenomenon that points beyond itself to something profound. 
> Everyday, common-as-muck levitation would go the same way perhaps 
> (and on FFL the association with a disability would no doubt be 
> made!).

A really good film that deals with what you are 
saying, Richard, is "Phenomenon." IMO, John Travolta
gave the performance of his life in this film. 

He plays an everyday guy who, one night, looks up
into the sky and sees a bright and growing light,
and is knocked unconscious by it. Soon afterward,
he starts developing siddhis. He can learn faster,
perceive earthquakes before they happen, find lost
children psychically, and move objects around using
only his mind. 

So what caused this? Was it Space Brothers visiting
him and giving him new powers? Or is there some 
other explanation?

The bottom line is that the movie deals really well
with the BIGGER issue. It doesn't MATTER what
"caused" these extraordinary powers. All that 
matters is that they exist, and thus that human
beings can HAVE such powers. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: I quit

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> 
> 
> 
> --- On Tue, 7/15/08, nablusoss1008 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > From: nablusoss1008 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: I quit
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Tuesday, July 15, 2008, 7:49 PM
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "R.G."
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > >  (snip)
> > >  
> > >  For  example, even back in the 70's I did not
> > feel that TM should be 
> > > taught in public schools, 
> > > > altho MMY was having Jerry Jarvis and others
> > defend the TMO in 
> > > court.  I just saw that 
> > > > issue as an area where MMY and I did not agree,
> > at least as far as 
> > > the Relative goes.
> > >  (snip)
> > > That worked out really well.
> > > Look at what has happened the schools;
> > > Meditation could have saved many kids in school from
> > the chaos the 
> > > schools have become.
> > > But, that's the way it goes...
> > 
> > Thanks for posting this. 
> > If only 10% of all of Maharishis strong suggestions for
> > implementing 
> > Vedic Science in America had been implemented in that
> > country, it would 
> > face a very different karma than currently.
> 
> You don't know that. Again you are confounding your wish with 
reality. You believe that such a thing would be so based on your huge 
investment in the dogma of the TMO. Nothing could ever prove the TMO 
wrong to you. Always an ad hoc explanation, always a rationalization 
to excuse the failure of the TMO to make good on its predictions or 
plans. I mean face it, Nabs, you believe in the fantasy of a perfect 
master who speaks through a very curious and idiosyncratic Englishman 
(and I'm being kind here). Why can't the alleged master speak for 
himself. Probably the first time in history a "master" speaks through 
someone else.

You are not very well informed, as usual. To be stuck in intellectual 
reasoning certainly has it's drawbacks. 
He does speak for Himself on a daily basis, in disquise that is using 
so-called "doubles", and He is also "using" Benjamin Creme who is one 
of several doing this service.
If you wanted to learn more instead of simply exposing your ignorance 
of this field you could visit:

http://shareintl.org/magazine/SI_current.htm

[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> 
> I don't understand why Shemp would waste all those posts when he has 
so
> little of substance to say?

I received today the confirmation that "shemps" anonymous source is NOT 
from my country. So what he wrote is ofcourse a lie from beginning to 
end - if anyone doubted that.

[FairfieldLife] Re: I quit

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo"  
> wrote:
> > >
> > > I'd love to see Tony Nader fly, it would make my day! I can't
> > > think of a reason why someone wouldn't want to demonstrate
> > > sidhi powers. The old "I don't want to be remembered as a
> > > circus act" excuse doesn't wash, if you want people to 
> > > believe you know what you're talking about I can think of
> > > no better way.
> > 
> > I can -- knowing what you're talking about.  :-)
> 
> Fair enough, but I'm thinking more along the lines
> of the TMO claiming that the sidhis they teach are
> the real deal yet I haven't seen any evidence. If
> they produce a genuine flyer we wouldn't be able
> to critisize that the TMSP is all wishful thinking
> and that MMY knew what he was talking about at least
> as far as the sidhis are concerned. 

I'm glad you included that last phrase, Richard.
That shows why I like you so much.

Proof of flying would prove ONLY that Maharishi
was right about ONE siddhi being possible. It would
prove NOTHING about what benefits he perceived for
being able to perform that siddhi, and it would
prove NOTHING about anything else he said about
anything.

The problem with "miracle groupies" IMO is that they
don't realize this. They think that if Jesus was 
able to walk on water that "proves" that *everything*
he ever said was not only true, but Truth. They make
an unconscious association in their minds between
the ability to perform a siddhi and being RIGHT.

I make no such association.

> Actual enlightenment
> is another story and harder to measure than any sidhi.

Yup. Personally, I do not believe that it can be or
ever will be measured and quantified. I'd like to be
proven wrong about this, but so far I have not.

> > Seriously, that is the component that was missing
> > in many of Maharishi's pronouncements. He clearly
> > had no grasp of the *issues*, much less his 
> > proposed "solutions" to them. 
> > 
> > Ok, I *know* that most folks here don't believe
> > that I witnessed siddhis being performed. But I did,
> > *whatever* caused me to witness them. So did liter-
> > ally hundreds of other people who attended Rama's
> > talks. So did having witnessed these things convince
> > everyone that he knew what he was talking about?
> >
> > No, it didn't. I have seen someone I brought to a
> > talk (a TMer) exclaim during the meditation "He's 
> > levitating!" or "Shit...he just disappeared," and 
> > then, the next day, claim that she had seen and 
> > experienced nothing whatsoever out of the ordinary. 
> > In a matter of hours she had managed to "blot out" 
> > any memories of what she had seen and experienced 
> > and *admitted* seeing and experiencing the night 
> > before.
> 
> I wonder why? A feeling they were duped in some way?

In her case, I heard from mutual friends she talked
to why she reacted the way she did. She was a diehard
TM True Believer, "sold out" to Maharishi not only as
her guru, but the *only* guru, The Best. What she 
found threatening at the talk I took her to was that
she *liked* the teacher, and experienced some things
around him that she had never experienced with Maharishi.
She blotted out the memory of having done this out of
a sense of GUILT over having been "unfaithful" to 
her guru. No shit. Isn't that amazing? Isn't it SAD?

> Cognitive dissonance due to jealousy that a non-TMer
> was doing something amazing? 

There was some of that, too. She turned into an anti-
Rama fanatic. She also refused to go out with me again. :-)

> I know plenty who think
> that they are party to the ultimate knowledge and 
> everyone else has only partial understanding at best.

And, as I wrote about earlier, chances are that these
SAME people tend to react to anything that suggests
that their knowledge is not quite "ultimate" by lashing
out or closing down. Right?

> I'd be a bit different regarding this example, but
> I'd have to be very sure that I was witnessing an 
> actual event. 

As a proof of actual, violate-gravity levitation,
absolutely. But to hearken back to your previous
excellent post about savants, that's only part of
the picture.

If most of the people in a room witnessed levitation,
even if it could not be scientifically proved to be
"an actual event," wasn't it still an *event*? Isn't
the fact that hundreds of people witnessed it inter-
esting in itself?

> I said the other day that I'd seen people
> in flying rooms do stuff that appeared to be some sort
> of hang time but it's more likely the way they were 
> moving when airborne giving the impression of being in 
> the air just a *bit* too long as it was still just a 
> parabolic curve they were on. 

If you get a chance, try to see films of Nijinksi
dancing. He was famous *because* of his ability to
appear as if he was hanging in midair.

> Or am I just rationalising
> a genuine example o

[FairfieldLife] Re: I quit

[Richard M]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard M"  wrote:
> >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo" 
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I'd love to see Tony Nader fly, it would make my day! I can't
> > > > think of a reason why someone wouldn't want to demonstrate
> > > > sidhi powers. The old "I don't want to be remembered as a
> > > > circus act" excuse doesn't wash, if you want people to 
> > > > believe you know what you're talking about I can think of
> > > > no better way.
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> > >
> > > Besides, as far as I can tell, there is NO
> > > RELATIONSHIP between being able to perform
> > > siddhis and one's state of consciousness, or one
> > > "knowing what he's talking about." Apples and
> > > oranges. The non-enlightened can perform siddhis,
> > > and many of the enlightened cannot. 
> > 
> > Absolutely. After all, the extraordinary achievements of savants do
> > not lead us to think that such folks are "enlightened". On the
> > contrary they seem to balance out a disability. Also, strangely, 
> > those quite miraculous abilities don't seem to get the wonder and 
> > awe they deserve, or so it seems to me. It's as if they are just 
> > pigeon-holed into the box called prosaic & commonplace as opposed 
> > to a phenomenon that points beyond itself to something profound. 
> > Everyday, common-as-muck levitation would go the same way perhaps 
> > (and on FFL the association with a disability would no doubt be 
> > made!).
> 
> A really good film that deals with what you are 
> saying, Richard, is "Phenomenon." IMO, John Travolta
> gave the performance of his life in this film. 
> 
> He plays an everyday guy who, one night, looks up
> into the sky and sees a bright and growing light,
> and is knocked unconscious by it. Soon afterward,
> he starts developing siddhis. He can learn faster,
> perceive earthquakes before they happen, find lost
> children psychically, and move objects around using
> only his mind. 
> 
> So what caused this? Was it Space Brothers visiting
> him and giving him new powers? Or is there some 
> other explanation?
> 
> The bottom line is that the movie deals really well
> with the BIGGER issue. It doesn't MATTER what
> "caused" these extraordinary powers. All that 
> matters is that they exist, and thus that human
> beings can HAVE such powers.
>
I'll look out for that. I like Travolta's stuff. I'm ashamed to admit
it but I even enjoyed his homage to Ron Hubbard "Battlefield Earth"!

[FairfieldLife] Re: I quit

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  nablusoss1008  wrote:
> 
> > 
> > These times are changing quickly. What is off the beaten path today 
> > could very well be regarded as mainstraim tomorrow.
> 
> That is certainly likely to be.  But your approach to spreading the 
> word may be somewhat counter productive.  On the other hand, I am 
sure 
> you would be pleased to be viewed as a fool for the cause of 
> Matrieya.  But you are so often condescending and insulting to people 
> that your comments are likely to be dismissed as just pounding on the 
> same theme.  MMY=All Good.  Any one who questions=Lost Soul.

I can see that and should try to be less insulting. This is certainly a 
valid point from you. The ability to speak the truth sweetly is 
certainly not the strongest amongst my abilities.

[FairfieldLife] Re: I quit

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> 
> I'd be a bit different regarding this example, but
> I'd have to be very sure that I was witnessing an 
> actual event. I said the other day that I'd seen people
> in flying rooms do stuff that appeared to be some sort
> of hang time but it's more likely the way they were 
> moving when airborne giving the impression of being in 
> the air just a *bit* too long as it was still just a 
> parabolic curve they were on. Or am I just rationalising
> a genuine example of levitation to fit it into my
> unconscious idea of how reality should be? Hey, maybe it
> was Nablus I saw :-)

Perhaps. What courses did you attend, when and where ?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I quit

[Peter]

--- On Wed, 7/16/08, nablusoss1008 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: nablusoss1008 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: I quit
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, July 16, 2008, 6:25 AM
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- On Tue, 7/15/08, nablusoss1008
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > > From: nablusoss1008
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: I quit
> > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Tuesday, July 15, 2008, 7:49 PM
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
> "R.G."
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > >  (snip)
> > > >  
> > > >  For  example, even back in the 70's I
> did not
> > > feel that TM should be 
> > > > taught in public schools, 
> > > > > altho MMY was having Jerry Jarvis and
> others
> > > defend the TMO in 
> > > > court.  I just saw that 
> > > > > issue as an area where MMY and I did
> not agree,
> > > at least as far as 
> > > > the Relative goes.
> > > >  (snip)
> > > > That worked out really well.
> > > > Look at what has happened the schools;
> > > > Meditation could have saved many kids in
> school from
> > > the chaos the 
> > > > schools have become.
> > > > But, that's the way it goes...
> > > 
> > > Thanks for posting this. 
> > > If only 10% of all of Maharishis strong
> suggestions for
> > > implementing 
> > > Vedic Science in America had been implemented in
> that
> > > country, it would 
> > > face a very different karma than currently.
> > 
> > You don't know that. Again you are confounding
> your wish with 
> reality. You believe that such a thing would be so based on
> your huge 
> investment in the dogma of the TMO. Nothing could ever
> prove the TMO 
> wrong to you. Always an ad hoc explanation, always a
> rationalization 
> to excuse the failure of the TMO to make good on its
> predictions or 
> plans. I mean face it, Nabs, you believe in the fantasy of
> a perfect 
> master who speaks through a very curious and idiosyncratic
> Englishman 
> (and I'm being kind here). Why can't the alleged
> master speak for 
> himself. Probably the first time in history a
> "master" speaks through 
> someone else.
> 
> You are not very well informed, as usual. To be stuck in
> intellectual 
> reasoning certainly has it's drawbacks. 
> He does speak for Himself on a daily basis, in disquise
> that is using 
> so-called "doubles", and He is also
> "using" Benjamin Creme who is one 
> of several doing this service.
> If you wanted to learn more instead of simply exposing your
> ignorance 
> of this field you could visit:
> 
> http://shareintl.org/magazine/SI_current.htm

I assure you Nabs I have read all about this elusive master on this website and 
well before in the 1980's when Mr. Creme was working this fraud. When Charlie 
Lutes was asked about Creme he said that Creme was being deluded by an astral 
being. Sounds good to me. No master would use "doubles" or speak in "disquise". 
Why? This is just silly nonsense. Perhaps there is a master called Maitrya, but 
he ain't speaking through Creme!




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[FairfieldLife] Re: I quit

[lurkernomore20002000]

 "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> If (IF) anyone in the TMO is currently floating, I would expect it 
to be King Tony. MMY claimed to have examined Abu-Nader's state of 
consciousness in all aspects and found him worthy. He appeared to 
have  tears in his eyes  when he was talking on this subject, which is 
something I don't recall ever   seeing before. Of course, I may be 
>reading far too much into this, but  it's an interesting thought, no?

Lawson, honestly, you should consider writing for Marvel.  The could 
be the beginning of a great story line.  Pick up the story where M 
dies, and then sprinkle in plenty of flashbacks, and history.  But 
basically King Tony can be the super hero, drawing strength from his 
mentor and spiritual teacher.

[FairfieldLife] Turning the Mind Into an Ally, was What is it that most people are most afraid of?

[Vaj]

Just sending this off to some Shambhala people, from Trungpa's son's  
bestseller Turning the Mind into an Ally, a wonderful guide for the  
new meditator. This, along with Pema Chodron's CD series How to  
Meditate are an indispensable aid for transcending dogmatic  
meditation methods and opening the unique path of individual freedom  
and self responsibility, beyond canned dogmas:



Turning the Mind into an Ally (excerpt)

Sakyong Mipham

There's a place between Earth and Mars that scientists call the  
Goldilocks zone. It's a place that's not too hot, not too cold, but  
just right, a place where life could conceivably be supported. Many  
of us live from the motivation to keep ourselves in such a zone. We  
spend our lives constructing a personal Goldilocks zone where our  
solid sense of self feels comfortable and protected. Everything's  
just how we like it, and we work to keep it that way.


Perpetuating this zone involves worrying. Many different aspects of  
our life must align in order for us to be happy. If they don't come  
together, we're going to suffer. Our mind chews on hope and fear  
because it's unable to relax. We're afraid of what will happen if we  
loosen our grip on ourselves. So we continually spin a web of  
concepts, beliefs, opinions, and moods that we identify as "me." It's  
like a closed-circuit TV. We're always sure of where we are; there's  
not much else to in known; nothing will ever really touch us. We work  
to draw in what will make us happy, fend off whatever causes pain,  
and pretty much ignore the rest. This is what most of us consider  
pleasure. We create a comfort zone based on the motivation "I just  
want to get by." I call this the "have a nice day" approach.


As a motivation for living our lives, "have a nice day" is very  
confining. It keeps us trapped in dissatisfaction, self-involvement,  
and fear. We feel defensive and claustrophobic. We are running on  
speed, need, and greed. And we are often moving so quickly that we  
don't even notice that we have a motivation. That sense of oppression  
is maintained by our bewildered, untrained mind. It's all-pervasive,  
deep, as if we're dreaming. This is suffering.


There is a different approach to our lives. We can wake up to our  
enlightened qualities: unconditional love and compassion;  
uninhibited, total ease with ourselves; a clear and sharp mind. In  
order to open our courageous warrior heart, however, we first have to  
understand the nature of our bewilderment. What's going on in  
samsara, this cyclical existence that entraps us? From the Buddhist  
point of view, we've created our own situation. We're operating out  
of a basic and habitual misunderstanding. Even though we're dreaming,  
we think we're real. No matter what we do to hold ourselves together,  
the truth is that we are always falling apart. As soon as we wash our  
car, it rains. So what are we going to do about it? The Buddha  
suggests that rather than resist samsara, complain about it, or keep  
trying to outsmart it, we take a good long look and say, "Let's  
figure out what's happening here."


We have to understand the suffering of our bewildered mind and decide  
that we've had enough of it. We're not fleeing from the world.  
Rather, we're recognizing the dreamlike quality of existence and not  
buying into it or ourselves as hard and real. Once we understand the  
play of impermanence and selflessness, we can take ourselves less  
seriously and enjoy life much more. If, like the Buddha, we were able  
to see the empty and luminous nature of reality, we'd wake up from  
our dream in a snap. True liberation is life without the illusion of  
"me"or "you."


Just like the Buddha, however, we have to go on a journey before we  
can see reality so clearly. The journey begins with understanding why  
we suffer. We have to recognize the basic landscape we're living in.  
If our goal in life is to give "me" a good time, it won't work out.  
Why? Because the lay of the land is birth, aging, sickness, and  
death. That's the game plan for "me." And within that, we have  
pleasure that keeps changing into pain. There's no permanence or  
stability here, nor is there a solid self. Death comes, often without  
warning. We suffer when we spend our lives denying the basic truth of  
our existence.


Our human lives are exceedingly precious because they offer us the  
possibility of discovering our inherent awakeness. Like pictures we  
see of the Buddha, "awake" is shimmering, radiant, fluid, and  
primordially pure. It's what we're made of, and it connects us all.  
What lies between us and the joy of this basic goodness is the trick  
our bewildered minds keep playing. Meditation is how we unravel the  
illusion.


It's fine to take pleasure, to enjoy good food, and to listen to  
beautiful music. Becoming curious about how we suffer doesn't mean  
that we can no longer enjoy eating ice cream. But once we begin to  
understand the b

[FairfieldLife] Dr. Horrible's Sing-Along Blog, Act I

[TurquoiseB]

I don't mean to rave, but it's just WONDERFUL !!! 

And it's a real phenomenon. In its first day, so many
people tried to access the http://www.drhorrible.com site
that they crashed it big-time. Joss Whedon and company
responded by making the episode available on iTunes, and
it quickly became the #1 TV series and the #1 download
on that site. Response from other countries, which had
been unable to see the clip at first even when the 
server was up were responded to quickly. (The server
above is back up now, and working well.)

I think we're witnessing a real Net phenomenon here. 
So far, after less than one day, literally millions of 
people have watched this silly ten-minute clip. Goes
to show that there are a LOT of fans of Buffy the Vampire
Slayer and Firefly out there. This reaffirms my hopes for
the human race.  :-)

As for the series itself, it's the old standard TV formula.
It's an opera about a nerdy archvillain who is running a
blog updating his viewers about his (so far unsuccessful)
attempts to be accepted as a member by the Evil League
Of Evil. He's got the hots for a girl he's seen at the
laundromat for ages, but has never worked up the courage
to say hello to. Dr. Horrible's nemesis, the person who
opposes him in his attempts to destroy the corporations
who rule the world and rule it himself, is Captain Hammer. 
Just yer standard TV show. Oh, did I say it was an opera? 
There is singing and dancing.

Neil Patrick Harris (once upon a time Doogie Howser, MD 
on TV) is TREMENDOUS as Dr. Horrible. His comic timing 
is nothing short of impeccable. Felicia Day is cute and 
charming as Penny, DH's love interest. And Nathan Fillion 
as Captain Hammer is simply To Die For. This is a role 
that was just *invented* for Nathan Fillion (actually,
it was), and he eats the screen in it. 

Besides, it's free. For a few days, anyway. They will show
Act II comes out tomorrow, and Act III on Saturday. Then
they'll stay up for free until midnight July 20. They are
also available for a bargain "season pass" rate of $3.99
from iTunes, and will be available later on DVD, with all
of the hilarious "extras" that Joss Whedon is known for.

It's really a hoot. Check it out. Click the little box in
the lower right corner and watch it full-screen. It's the 
best thing on TV. If it were on TV, that is...

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dr. Horrible's Sing-Along Blog, Act I -- the correct URL

[TurquoiseB]

My bad:

http://drhorrible.com/

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I don't mean to rave, but it's just WONDERFUL !!! 
> 
> And it's a real phenomenon. In its first day, so many
> people tried to access the http://www.drhorrible.com site
> that they crashed it big-time. Joss Whedon and company
> responded by making the episode available on iTunes, and
> it quickly became the #1 TV series and the #1 download
> on that site. Response from other countries, which had
> been unable to see the clip at first even when the 
> server was up were responded to quickly. (The server
> above is back up now, and working well.)
> 
> I think we're witnessing a real Net phenomenon here. 
> So far, after less than one day, literally millions of 
> people have watched this silly ten-minute clip. Goes
> to show that there are a LOT of fans of Buffy the Vampire
> Slayer and Firefly out there. This reaffirms my hopes for
> the human race.  :-)
> 
> As for the series itself, it's the old standard TV formula.
> It's an opera about a nerdy archvillain who is running a
> blog updating his viewers about his (so far unsuccessful)
> attempts to be accepted as a member by the Evil League
> Of Evil. He's got the hots for a girl he's seen at the
> laundromat for ages, but has never worked up the courage
> to say hello to. Dr. Horrible's nemesis, the person who
> opposes him in his attempts to destroy the corporations
> who rule the world and rule it himself, is Captain Hammer. 
> Just yer standard TV show. Oh, did I say it was an opera? 
> There is singing and dancing.
> 
> Neil Patrick Harris (once upon a time Doogie Howser, MD 
> on TV) is TREMENDOUS as Dr. Horrible. His comic timing 
> is nothing short of impeccable. Felicia Day is cute and 
> charming as Penny, DH's love interest. And Nathan Fillion 
> as Captain Hammer is simply To Die For. This is a role 
> that was just *invented* for Nathan Fillion (actually,
> it was), and he eats the screen in it. 
> 
> Besides, it's free. For a few days, anyway. They will show
> Act II comes out tomorrow, and Act III on Saturday. Then
> they'll stay up for free until midnight July 20. They are
> also available for a bargain "season pass" rate of $3.99
> from iTunes, and will be available later on DVD, with all
> of the hilarious "extras" that Joss Whedon is known for.
> 
> It's really a hoot. Check it out. Click the little box in
> the lower right corner and watch it full-screen. It's the 
> best thing on TV. If it were on TV, that is...
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I quit

[Vaj]

On Jul 16, 2008, at 8:04 AM, Peter wrote:

I assure you Nabs I have read all about this elusive master on this  
website and well before in the 1980's when Mr. Creme was working  
this fraud. When Charlie Lutes was asked about Creme he said that  
Creme was being deluded by an astral being. Sounds good to me. No  
master would use "doubles" or speak in "disquise". Why? This is  
just silly nonsense. Perhaps there is a master called Maitrya, but  
he ain't speaking through Creme!



I remember the first time I heard of Creme, it was in FF in  the  
early 80's where a course participant whispered about his  
proclamations and pronouncements. Later it was revealed that several  
of the "sidhas" were also channelling various "entities" and could,  
on the sly of course, be met in their rooms or in some secret  
location sub rosa for a "consultation". It seemed admirers of La  
Creme often had a secret wish and motivation to be front men for some  
subconscious "entity" and had decided to enslave themselves to these  
"beings" with their questionable advice and integrity. Of course the  
TMO pseudoscience mythos encouraged us all be become salespeople,  
pimping Duh Ved (or our own channelled illusion).


And thus they became subtle slaves to the siddhis, just like the  
sages so universally warned.


There have always been paths of freedom and paths of enslavement, so  
this is hardly new. Just the same old, same old pattern of deep  
suffering overshadowing our innate authenticity. Some "masters" will  
enslave their students, while others will set theirs free.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Kashmir Savism - the world is not an illusion.

[Richard J. Williams]

Vaj wrote:
> Advaita Vedanta is foundationally different from 
> the Trika/Kashmir Shaivism. 
>
Kashmere Saivism is an absolute idealism, just like 
Adwaita Vedanta. The main difference, according to 
Theos Bernard, is the intrepretation given to the 
term 'maya'. Swami Laksmanjoo and Swami Muktananda 
used to teach Adwaita Vedanta and Kashmere Saivism 
to their students. There's not much difference 
between the two traditions, which are both forms 
of monisism, that is, a non-dual metaphysical 
system called 'Adwaita' and a non-dual system 
called 'Trika'. 

Trika: In Sanskrit, the term 'trika' pertains to 
number, '3', the three, or trinity. There are 
three states of consciousness, waking, sleeping, 
and dreaming; there is a fourth state, a state of 
pure consciousness, a transcendental state called 
'turiya'. Turiya in Sanskrit means 'fourth', used 
in the Adwaita Vedanta to indicate the fourth 
state of consciousness, explained in Mandukhya 
Upanishad:

"In both deep sleep and transcendental 
consciousness there is no consciousness of objects. 
But this objective consciousness is present in an 
unmanifested 'seed' form in deep sleep while it is 
completely transcended in the turiya."

Mandukya Upanishad:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandukya_Upanishad

Mandukya Upanishad:
http://tinyurl.com/6zv5qz

Some say that Kashmere Shaivism is the Northern 
version of the Adwaita Vedanta, having been taken 
there by the Adi Shankara. But in fact, Kashmere 
Shaivism derives from the Buddhist Vajrayana 
tradition. Kashmere was one of the seats of 
learning for the propagation of the 'consciousness 
only' school of Buddhism. The land of Kashmere 
and the Swat Valley were all Buddhist lands when 
Padmasambhava took Tantric Buddism to Tibet.

[FairfieldLife] Re: I quit

[authfriend]

Wayback, great post. #2 is especially important, I
think, given the apparent increasing permeability of
church-state separation these days.

Just FYI, though, with regard to #3, the New Jersey
court case didn't have to do with students doing TM
during school time as part of the curriculum, but
rather with *teaching* TM on school property, outside
of school hours. That was enough to invoke the First
Amendment prohibition of government funding of
religious teaching, as far as the courts were concerned.

And properly so, in my opinion, because of your #2. TM
arguably is not religious per se, but it's close enough
that if it were granted access to school space for
teaching purposes, it would make it difficult to deny
such access to other groups that really *are* religious
in nature. Too slippery a slope to even put a toe on it.

If it comes to supporting TM vs. the U.S. Constitution,
I'll go with the Constitution every time. There are
plenty of other ways to learn TM, but we've only got
one Constitution.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wayback71" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "R.G."  wrote:
> >
> >  (snip)
> >  
> >  For  example, even back in the 70's I did not feel that TM 
should be 
> > taught in public schools, 
> > > altho MMY was having Jerry Jarvis and others defend the TMO in 
> > court.  I just saw that 
> > > issue as an area where MMY and I did not agree, at least as far 
as 
> > the Relative goes.
> >  (snip)
> > That worked out really well.
> > Look at what has happened the schools;
> > Meditation could have saved many kids in school from the chaos 
the 
> > schools have become.
> > But, that's the way it goes...
> >
>   Yes, schools have had trouble, there is chaos  and these are 
problems that stem from our 
> culture in general as well as parenting difficulties. I had and 
have no doubt that having 
> students do TM twice a day, or even once a day, at school would be 
wonderfully 
> beneficial.  My concerns were: 1.  once parents actually get wind 
of the puja and the other 
> trappings of the TMO, there will a large number who object and the 
backlash against TM 
> would be harmful.  it would be all over for the TM in the schools 
at that point. 2. or  other 
> less benign programs would then also begin to be offered, and the 
whole thing would 
> become a mess.  There was no way that public schools would allow 
only TM to be taught - 
> others would jump on the bandwagon  3. Public (not private) schools 
should not be 
> incorporating any sort of prayer or meditation during school time, 
unless it is something 
> as generic as basic hatha yoga. TM is not like that, it is 
associated with a Holy Tradition.  
> To say otherwise is not being honest.  Tm may not be "religious" as 
the courts were 
> claiming, but it sure is not secular either. Private schools can go 
ahead and allow all this, 
> but not public, IMO.  If kids want to do TM, they can do it after 
school or form a club, but 
> not during public school time.
> Now, in an ideal world, students would begin and end their school 
day with yoga and 
> pranayam and meditation, but I feel pretty convinced that big 
trouble would result if we 
> tried that now.

[FairfieldLife] Re: I quit

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
wrote:
> > 
> > > Nabby and Judy are my *research assistants*. Don't
> > > anyone drive them away.  :-)
> > 
> > Barry, when Andrew tried that ploy, it didn't *work*,
> > remember?
> 
> I dunno. You still seem pretty pissed off at him
> for creating the "Junkyard Dog" site, posting *your
> own words*.

No, that isn't why I'm pissed off at him, but you
knew that.

In any case, what didn't work was the attempt at
intimidation, both with his Junkyard Dog site and his
earlier claim to be using quotes from the TMers on
alt.m.t in something he was writing about the dangers
of cults.

 There is not a person on this forum who
> can't feel the hatred you have for him when you write
> about him. And you lost it heavily when I did the
> same in the series of "Things TMers Believe" posts.

By "lost it heavily," Barry means I exposed his
purpose: to intimidate TMers into keeping quiet.
I also pointed out that he dishonestly took the
quotes out of context (just as Andrew did on his
site), and that by not revealing where he'd posted
the quotes, he'd effectively prevented any of us
who wanted to challenge what he'd posted from
doing so.

(It's not at all clear that he actually *did* post
the quotes anywhere but alt.m.t and FFL but claimed
he'd posted them in a number of other unnamed groups
simply to amplify the intended intimidation factor.)

And again, my point was that the attempted
intimidation *didn't work*. TMers didn't shut up; we
didn't stop criticizing Skolnick and Barry and other
TM critics when they went overboard or just simply
lied.

It was a complete waste of effort, on both Andrew's
and Barry's part.

> Besides, Andrew wasn't writing science fiction. :-)
> 
> Suffice it to say that a publisher friend liked 
> the early drafts of the stories, and was *horrified* 
> by some of the things my future-cult-Inquisition 
> characters were saying. He said, "How could you 
> possibly *imagine* anyone that insane, and that 
> mean-spirited?"
> 
> I had to admit that I hadn't, that the dialog came
> from you, and that you were serious when you said it.

Like I say, Barry, the intimidation ploy *doesn't work*.

And I'd bet a substantial amount of money that what
you describe above is pure fiction.

[FairfieldLife] Re: What is it that most people are most afraid of?

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> My theory -- and it's ONLY a theory, a half-baked opinion --
> explains SO MUCH of what we see in the world around us,
> and on this forum. Think about the sometimes over-the-top
> ways that people react to the idea that maybe Maharishi
> wasn't right about everything, or that America is not 
> exactly the beacon of wealth, happiness, liberty, justice, 
> and freedom for all it pretends to be. Some people go 
> CRAZY when these beliefs are challenged. 
> 
> And WHY? Well, I think it's because they perceive -- and
> correctly -- that if the things that these heretics are
> saying about the things that they believe are true, then 
> their beliefs themselves are not true, or not complete. 

No doubt this does happen from time to time.
However, it's a mistake for the "heretics" to
assume that all resistance to their attempts to
set believers straight is due to the latter's 
fear of cognitive dissonance.

This assumption, in fact, can become a defense
against cognitive dissonance *on the part of the
"heretics"*. It can get turned around into the
proposition that if believers reject what the
"heretics" are telling them, it's because what
the heretics are saying is correct.

In fact, it's entirely possible that it's the
"heretics" who are incorrect, and the believers
are pointing that out.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I quit

[Peter]

--- On Wed, 7/16/08, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

From: Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I quit
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, July 16, 2008, 9:18 AM





 
There have always been paths of freedom and paths of enslavement, so this is 
hardly new. Just the same old, same old pattern of deep suffering overshadowing 
our innate authenticity. Some "masters" will enslave their students, while 
others will set theirs free.
 
SSRS once mentioned this too. He said some masters enslave their students. Gee, 
I wonder who he was talking about?
 
 
 
  


  

[FairfieldLife] Re: I quit

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:

> I'd love to see Tony Nader fly, it would make my day! I can't
> think of a reason why someone wouldn't want to demonstrate
> sidhi powers. The old "I don't want to be remembered as a
> circus act" excuse doesn't wash, if you want people to 
> believe you know what you're talking about I can think of
> no better way.

It seems to me that other aspects of MMY's teaching
imply that for a siddhi to occur, Nature has to "want"
it to occur. Or to put it another way, what the person
in higher consciousness wants can only be what Nature
"wants."

In other words, if Nature doesn't "want" a siddhi
demonstrated at a given place and time--for whatever
unfathomable reason--the person being asked to
demonstrate it will simply find himself or herself not
wanting to. He or she may come up with all kinds of
lame excuses, not really knowing why s/he doesn't want
to do the demonstration.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I quit

[Vaj]

On Jul 16, 2008, at 10:00 AM, Peter wrote:




--- On Wed, 7/16/08, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I quit
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, July 16, 2008, 9:18 AM



There have always been paths of freedom and paths of enslavement,  
so this is hardly new. Just the same old, same old pattern of deep  
suffering overshadowing our innate authenticity. Some "masters"  
will enslave their students, while others will set theirs free.


SSRS once mentioned this too. He said some masters enslave their  
students. Gee, I wonder who he was talking about?


The mechanics of such "spiritual enslavement" are actually quite  
interesting. A favorite way is to force kundalini up an aberrant  
path: the student thinks s/he is having some sort of awakening or  
profound unstressing but instead ends up trapped in some pattern  
which cannot culminate in unity, although they may receive the  
occasional "glimpse". Terrorist groups throughout history have used  
similar techniques like scaring the person to death, it forces  
kundalini "awake" but the incredible fear guarantees an imbalanced  
awakening and a person stuck in limbo who is ready for whatever  
indoctrination the "guru" wants to imprint. The real life idea of  
zombification in Voudoun also relies on a similar technique where the  
person is paralyzed into a drug induced coma and then buried alive  
(an old African "shamanic" technique). The total fear of being buried  
alive, once again guarantees the kundalini will awaken, but in a way  
that leaves the person trapped and easily manipulable.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Obama won't win(Hillary's Debt)

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "R.G." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  (snip)
> > 
> Concerning giving the Clinton's more money...
> 
> Is there anyone else in any campaign that offered to pay of
> a rivals debt.

Yes, it happens often (but only in primary campaigns,
as far as I'm aware).

> Having gotten into debt in itself, shows irresponsiblity,
> and arrogance.

No, it doesn't. Many major campaigns end up in
debt. If you want to win, you have to spend money,
and it's not always possible to collect enough of
it in advance of when you need to spend it.


> I wonder if the shoe were on the other foot...
> and Barack had debts to pay...
> I'm sure the Clinton's would be running to the bank to
> withdraw money, so they could give it to Barack?
> I don't think so...

You're right, because that's not how it works.

The winner doesn't give the loser his/her own money,
nor even his/her campaign funds. Rather, s/he asks
his/her maxed-out donors to donate to the loser's
campaign debt.

And yes, if Hillary had won, *of course* she would
do that for Obama. But it wouldn't be just out of
the goodness of her heart, any more than it is for
Obama to help Hillary with her debt.

First of all, the loser is expected to ask his/her
supporters to donate to the winner; that's a major
source of campaign funds for the winner.

Second, it's in the winner's interests to look like
a good guy to the loser's supporters (especially
when, as in this case, there's a very substantial
number of them, without most of whom Obama can't
win the general).

In a very hard-fought primary campaign like this
one, it's in the winner's interests to do whatever
s/he can to unify the party and get it behind him/
her, otherwise s/he's likely to lose in the general.

Even Obama is down with this:

NY Times, May 9:

Mr. Obama suggested today that there would be some
precedent for helping erase her debt.

"I think historically after a campaign is done and you want
to unify the party – particularly when you've had a strong
opponent," Mr. Obama said, "you want to make sure that you're
putting that opponent in a strong position so that they can
work to win an election in November."

http://tinyurl.com/4thjw3

[FairfieldLife] Re: I quit

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Jul 16, 2008, at 10:00 AM, Peter wrote:
> >
> > --- On Wed, 7/16/08, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > There have always been paths of freedom and paths of 
> > > enslavement, so this is hardly new. Just the same old, same 
> > > old pattern of deep suffering overshadowing our innate 
> > > authenticity. Some "masters" will enslave their students, 
> > > while others will set theirs free.
> >
> > SSRS once mentioned this too. He said some masters enslave their  
> > students. Gee, I wonder who he was talking about?
> 
> The mechanics of such "spiritual enslavement" are actually quite  
> interesting. A favorite way is to force kundalini up an aberrant  
> path: the student thinks s/he is having some sort of awakening or  
> profound unstressing but instead ends up trapped in some pattern  
> which cannot culminate in unity, although they may receive the  
> occasional "glimpse". Terrorist groups throughout history have 
> used similar techniques like scaring the person to death, it 
> forces kundalini "awake" but the incredible fear guarantees an 
> imbalanced awakening and a person stuck in limbo who is ready for 
> whatever indoctrination the "guru" wants to imprint. The real life 
> idea of zombification in Voudoun also relies on a similar technique 
> where the person is paralyzed into a drug induced coma and then 
> buried alive (an old African "shamanic" technique). The total fear 
> of being buried alive, once again guarantees the kundalini will 
> awaken, but in a way that leaves the person trapped and easily 
> manipulable.

Less occult and flashy :-) but equally effective
is to put a person into an altered state of conscious-
ness, one in which he is disoriented and unable to 
focus properly, and then forcing him to watch videos
or listen to indoctrination lectures for hours a day.

Does anyone here remember ever feeling "spaced out"
on a TM residence course? Ever feel as if you 
couldn't quite focus properly, and were disoriented?
When I worked in the Regional Office, this was such
a "known issue" that we had received clear instruc-
tions from Maharishi and International Staff that
course participants were not to be allowed to leave
the premises of the course, for any reason. The
reason given was that it was felt that they'd wander
off and get into trouble or have an accident as a 
result of being spaced out, and that trouble would 
reflect badly on the TMO. (No concern was ever 
expressed for the course participants themselves.)

And so what did these spaced-out people DO on these
courses when they weren't either meditating or eating
or sleeping? They sat in front of TVs and lecturers
and sat through hours and hours a day of indoctrination.
Could there have been a bit of susceptibility to
suggestion goin' down? I think there could have been.

As a side note, Vaj, my experience on other non-TM
in-residence courses and retreats is that I *never*
felt spaced out. On the contrary, there was a marked 
*increase* in clarity of thought and action and the 
ability to focus and handle worldly tasks. This was 
noticed and remarked upon by all participants in the 
retreat, who were always allowed to go freely into 
town or anywhere they wanted, because there was no 
reason for them not to.

[FairfieldLife] Re: I quit

[curtisdeltablues]

> It seems to me that other aspects of MMY's teaching
> imply that for a siddhi to occur, Nature has to "want"
> it to occur. Or to put it another way, what the person
> in higher consciousness wants can only be what Nature
> "wants."

This point (which I also appeal to concerning the lack of my 6-pack
abs) is not one that I ever heard Maharishi himself make.  Whenever he
talked about performance of the sidhis it was always in terms of them
being as natural as any other ability we have and that they would be
commonplace and volitional, no big deal that "nature" would need to
hide.  It seems to give a sort of "out", but then it makes all of
Maharishi's claims about the virtues of enlightenment come into
question.  Like our discussions about whether or not an enlightened
person can be an asshole or even homicidal killer if "nature wants it
that way" as is often glorified in the Vedic literature. (Bhima made
Ted Bundy look like a choir boy)

I guess this reasoning might provide some solace to the TBs (I am not
talking about Judy here especially after her excellent point about the
 Constitution in another post) but it is lame in the light of the many
"Yogic flying" demonstrations and promotion of the "special abilities"
gained by the sidhis at this point.

I mean forget the flashy stuff, how about seeing that the movement is
permeated with an extra dose of the virtue sidhis?  Other than the
superficial love bombing that goes on in many groups with visitors
they what to impress with how great their group is, under the surface
is at best an average group of people concerning their friendliness,
compassion or even happiness. And if anyone can even get close to the
strength of an elephant, could you send them over to my house to help
me move a closet full of book boxes with their mighty trunk?

My point is that Maharishi didn't think out the sidhis demonstration
claims as carefully as you have Judy.  He was selling the dream
without qualification.  I know that people don't do sidhis to become
stronger, they do them for the mental enhancement, but
rallly now, shouldn't there be even a hint that some of
them are working a tad after 30 years?  I don't mean one or two rumors
but a bunch of interesting shit going on?  

Maharishi was wrong about the sidhis working and now the movement
focuses on the stuff that can't really be objectively evaluated like
the ME or that it makes people feel "better."   It may have never been
emphasized for people in the "field"  but Maharishis promised his
slave laborers at sidhaland mastery of the sidhis in 3 years.  It was
not a claim about how we would feel inside or the world peace it would
achieve, it was about mastery of sidhis.  And all these years later we
are left with people's wonderful coincidence stories as if no one else
didn't have a thought of Aunt Martha who we haven't spoken to in years
right before the phone rang with her on the line.

Now I have grown up beyond a desire to fly through the air or do
magical things. Life is far too rich without these things.  Playing
"Freight Train" straight through without any mistakes is the kind of
"special ability" I seek, and it gives me all the joy I need in my life.  

But concerning the so called sidhis (trade mark registered
internationally and subject to litigation for any infringement real or
perceived by any of the conglomerated companies and or representatives
of Maharishi Multi Mega Corp):

I'm calling this one guys.  Sidhis are not happening.  Not behind
closed doors of King Nader's palace, not in the mildew infested golden
breasts of MIU (what, it's only me who sees them that way?)

Not anywhere but in the imagination of people who spend a lot of time
in a floaty meditative state of mind that makes such dreams seem more
likely.  

Of course if that is what makes them happy, it isn't any of my
business...I've got a bunch of boxes to move (It may get me closer to
that 6-pack) and a few more hundred reps on "Freight Train."

http://youtube.com/watch?v=i4upnkwLOzY

 


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo"  
> wrote:
> 
> > I'd love to see Tony Nader fly, it would make my day! I can't
> > think of a reason why someone wouldn't want to demonstrate
> > sidhi powers. The old "I don't want to be remembered as a
> > circus act" excuse doesn't wash, if you want people to 
> > believe you know what you're talking about I can think of
> > no better way.
> 
> It seems to me that other aspects of MMY's teaching
> imply that for a siddhi to occur, Nature has to "want"
> it to occur. Or to put it another way, what the person
> in higher consciousness wants can only be what Nature
> "wants."
> 
> In other words, if Nature doesn't "want" a siddhi
> demonstrated at a given place and time--for whatever
> unfathomable reason--the person being asked to
> demonstrate it will simply find himself or herself not
> wanting to. He or she may come up w

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I quit

[Vaj]

On Jul 16, 2008, at 10:44 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:


The mechanics of such "spiritual enslavement" are actually quite
interesting. A favorite way is to force kundalini up an aberrant
path: the student thinks s/he is having some sort of awakening or
profound unstressing but instead ends up trapped in some pattern
which cannot culminate in unity, although they may receive the
occasional "glimpse". Terrorist groups throughout history have
used similar techniques like scaring the person to death, it
forces kundalini "awake" but the incredible fear guarantees an
imbalanced awakening and a person stuck in limbo who is ready for
whatever indoctrination the "guru" wants to imprint. The real life
idea of zombification in Voudoun also relies on a similar technique
where the person is paralyzed into a drug induced coma and then
buried alive (an old African "shamanic" technique). The total fear
of being buried alive, once again guarantees the kundalini will
awaken, but in a way that leaves the person trapped and easily
manipulable.


Less occult and flashy :-) but equally effective
is to put a person into an altered state of conscious-
ness, one in which he is disoriented and unable to
focus properly, and then forcing him to watch videos
or listen to indoctrination lectures for hours a day.

Does anyone here remember ever feeling "spaced out"
on a TM residence course? Ever feel as if you
couldn't quite focus properly, and were disoriented?
When I worked in the Regional Office, this was such
a "known issue" that we had received clear instruc-
tions from Maharishi and International Staff that
course participants were not to be allowed to leave
the premises of the course, for any reason.


I know, I find that odd too. What's THAT about? I just haven't found  
this in other meditation techniques--in fact side effects were  
unusual or simply never occurred. I have to wonder if it's a subtle  
(or not so subtle) form of mood-making. Interestingly, some have  
reported that although SSRS teaches the same meditation technique,  
there's less moodmaking in the org and so less side effects in the  
practitioners.



The
reason given was that it was felt that they'd wander
off and get into trouble or have an accident as a
result of being spaced out, and that trouble would
reflect badly on the TMO. (No concern was ever
expressed for the course participants themselves.)


The instructions not to leave a residence course under any  
circumstances were in place by the time of my first residence course  
back in 74.




And so what did these spaced-out people DO on these
courses when they weren't either meditating or eating
or sleeping? They sat in front of TVs and lecturers
and sat through hours and hours a day of indoctrination.
Could there have been a bit of susceptibility to
suggestion goin' down? I think there could have been.

As a side note, Vaj, my experience on other non-TM
in-residence courses and retreats is that I *never*
felt spaced out. On the contrary, there was a marked
*increase* in clarity of thought and action and the
ability to focus and handle worldly tasks. This was
noticed and remarked upon by all participants in the
retreat, who were always allowed to go freely into
town or anywhere they wanted, because there was no
reason for them not to.


Same here.

[FairfieldLife] Re: I quit

[R.G.]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "R.G."  wrote:
> >
> > This already happened, so you don't have to worry.
> > This whole thing was brought to Federal Court, concerning the 
Puja, 
> > and it being a religious thing-
> > So, it was banned from being taught in schools.
> > So, there you go; the chaos ensued from that stupid decision as 
> > well as others.
> > The belief in God or a Higher Power or any universal principle, 
is 
> > not taught in school. There are obviously more important things.
> > Very sad situation.
> 
> The "sad situation" is that there are people on 
> this planet who think that a belief in God *should*
> be taught in schools, as if it were fact. 
> 
> What should be taught is an *overview* of world 
> religions and spiritual beliefs, dispassionately
> and with NONE of them being presented as "correct"
> or "right," much less "best." Atheism and belief
> systems such as Buddhism that do not have a God
> concept should be taught right alongside the God-
> based systems.
> 
> No *techniques* from any of these belief systems
> should ever be taught in the schools, only the 
> dogma and theory that the belief systems espouse.
> 
> IMO this would prepare students to *make their own
> decisions* about such things. They can decide to
> have something to do with one or more of these
> belief systems based on knowledge of *what they
> are*, and knowledge of what the other competing
> belief systems are. 
> 
> Anyone who wants only ONE belief system to be taught
> in school systems is a religious fanatic. America
> and its founding fathers had a dim view of such
> fanatics. It's good to remember that the famous 
> quote by Thomas Jefferson that graces his memorial
> in Washington D.C. was written about an attempt by
> one religious group (Christian) to introduce its
> teachings into a school system. Jefferson was quite
> clear how he felt about that:
> 
> "I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility 
> against every from of tyranny over the mind of man."
> 
> Suffice it to say I share his hostility towards 
> anyone from ANY religion or belief system who tries
> to have his beliefs -- and ONLY his beliefs -- taught
> in schools. In that sense, I am still an American,
> and despise those who would try to change it into
> the very opposite of what it was founded to be.

There is a belief that is taught primarily: God= Money

[FairfieldLife] Re: I quit

[curtisdeltablues]

> He does speak for Himself on a daily basis, in disquise that is
using > so-called "doubles", and He is also "using" Benjamin Creme who
is one > of several doing this service.

Damn Nabby, nice one outing me as a spokesperson for Maitreya!  Oh
wait, on re-reading I see you didn't mention me by name, but I'm
pretty sure everyone here knew it was me you were talking about...

So OK I speak for the perfect master to come and I
myself...ahem...this is a little embarrassing...I'm pretty doggone
special myself if I do say so myself...anyhoo

The Lord has asked me to inform you that he is not gunna come out of
his closet (poor choice of words I know) until he sees a form of faith
and commitment from each and every one of you in the from of
International Money orders (American Express checks must be signed
people) in an amount that the master refereed to as "Coke and hookers
in Vegas in the top floor suite in the Ballagio" large.  (He wanted to
put it in terms that Americans could understand)

In return we are talking some major bennies when he does "come out."
(any implication that he is a fan of Cher is unintentional, although
he does have the complete works of Barbara Streisand, that is because
he is a democrat) will bring the following things to your pathetic
mudhole:

No more War. (Not the conflicts of violence but the disgusting big
hair heavy metal band who is now planning a reunion tour.)

Poverty will be a thing of the past. (For the master when your checks
clear)

No more hunger. (Think unlimited buffets on the strip baby. Again this
if for the master and his nubile guests.)

No more diseases. (All nubile guests must undergo a clinic check first.)

No more homelessness.  (With your checks he can move inside and out of
his refrigerator box under the boardwalk in Atlantic City.)

So unless you are FOR poverty, war, disease, hunger and homelessness
please contact me immediately for the details on where to send your
checks.  I'm make sure the master gets them... 










--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter  
> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- On Tue, 7/15/08, nablusoss1008 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > > From: nablusoss1008 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: I quit
> > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Tuesday, July 15, 2008, 7:49 PM
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "R.G."
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > >  (snip)
> > > >  
> > > >  For  example, even back in the 70's I did not
> > > feel that TM should be 
> > > > taught in public schools, 
> > > > > altho MMY was having Jerry Jarvis and others
> > > defend the TMO in 
> > > > court.  I just saw that 
> > > > > issue as an area where MMY and I did not agree,
> > > at least as far as 
> > > > the Relative goes.
> > > >  (snip)
> > > > That worked out really well.
> > > > Look at what has happened the schools;
> > > > Meditation could have saved many kids in school from
> > > the chaos the 
> > > > schools have become.
> > > > But, that's the way it goes...
> > > 
> > > Thanks for posting this. 
> > > If only 10% of all of Maharishis strong suggestions for
> > > implementing 
> > > Vedic Science in America had been implemented in that
> > > country, it would 
> > > face a very different karma than currently.
> > 
> > You don't know that. Again you are confounding your wish with 
> reality. You believe that such a thing would be so based on your huge 
> investment in the dogma of the TMO. Nothing could ever prove the TMO 
> wrong to you. Always an ad hoc explanation, always a rationalization 
> to excuse the failure of the TMO to make good on its predictions or 
> plans. I mean face it, Nabs, you believe in the fantasy of a perfect 
> master who speaks through a very curious and idiosyncratic Englishman 
> (and I'm being kind here). Why can't the alleged master speak for 
> himself. Probably the first time in history a "master" speaks through 
> someone else.
> 
> You are not very well informed, as usual. To be stuck in intellectual 
> reasoning certainly has it's drawbacks. 
> He does speak for Himself on a daily basis, in disquise that is using 
> so-called "doubles", and He is also "using" Benjamin Creme who is one 
> of several doing this service.
> If you wanted to learn more instead of simply exposing your ignorance 
> of this field you could visit:
> 
> http://shareintl.org/magazine/SI_current.htm
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: I quit

[R.G.]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo"  
wrote:
> >
> > I'd love to see Tony Nader fly, it would make my day! I can't
> > think of a reason why someone wouldn't want to demonstrate
> > sidhi powers. The old "I don't want to be remembered as a
> > circus act" excuse doesn't wash, if you want people to 
> > believe you know what you're talking about I can think of
> > no better way.
> 
> I can -- knowing what you're talking about.  :-)
> 
> Seriously, that is the component that was missing
> in many of Maharishi's pronouncements. He clearly
> had no grasp of the *issues*, much less his 
> proposed "solutions" to them. 
> 
> Ok, I *know* that most folks here don't believe
> that I witnessed siddhis being performed. But I did,
> *whatever* caused me to witness them. So did liter-
> ally hundreds of other people who attended Rama's
> talks. So did having witnessed these things convince
> everyone that he knew what he was talking about?
> 
> No, it didn't. I have seen someone I brought to a
> talk (a TMer) exclaim during the meditation "He's 
> levitating!" or "Shit...he just disappeared," and 
> then, the next day, claim that she had seen and 
> experienced nothing whatsoever out of the ordinary. 
> In a matter of hours she had managed to "blot out" 
> any memories of what she had seen and experienced 
> and *admitted* seeing and experiencing the night 
> before.
> 
> The SAME thing would happen with a large percentage
> of people if someone in the TMO *could* fly, and 
> demonstrated it. Only a small percentage of those
> witnessing the phenomenon would 1) believe that they
> had actually seen it, or 2) ascribe "knowing what
> he's talking about-ness" to the person who flew.
> 
> It's just human nature, Richard. Over the years I 
> have heard many, many people here say, "All the TMO 
> would have to do is demonstrate levitation and all
> of the doubts would stop." It's simply not true.
> It's something that people who have never witnessed
> such phenomena themselves believe. 
> 
> Those who have know better. In a remarkably short
> time, these phenomena become "background," and
> assumed, and kinda ho-hum. I found myself sitting
> in lecture halls or out in the desert thinking,
> "Oh...he's levitating again...big deal." 
> 
> Besides, as far as I can tell, there is NO
> RELATIONSHIP between being able to perform
> siddhis and one's state of consciousness, or one
> "knowing what he's talking about." Apples and
> oranges. The non-enlightened can perform siddhis,
> and many of the enlightened cannot. 
> 
> Again, it is the *rarity* of these phenomena
> (together with self-serving dogma from spiritual
> traditions) that claims that there is a link 
> between siddhis and enlightenment. I perceive
> no such link. Back in the early days of his
> teaching, neither did Maharishi. He gave several
> talks at Squaw Valley in which he said that being
> able to perform siddhis had NO relationship to
> one's state of consciousness. Later he changed
> his tune, "coincidentally" after he had found
> a way to make money by claiming to teach people
> siddhis.
> 
> Bottom line is that my experience tells me that
> demonstrations of people flying -- REAL, unfaked
> demos of people flying -- would convince only a
> small percentage of people that the phenomenon
> was actually taking place. The others would find
> a way to make it "go away," and to pretend that
> they had never seen what they saw. I've seen it
> happen over and over and over and over. 
> 
> Again, it's just human nature. A lot of the people
> HERE who claim that they would like to see siddhis
> being performed would wind up denying that they
> had seen them.
>
I would imagine that the same happened in Jesus' day.
No matter what the sidhi was which was performed,
Some wouldn't see it, understand it, etc.
I do think this is true, what has been said above.

[FairfieldLife] Re: I quit

[curtisdeltablues]

> Again, it's just human nature. A lot of the people
> HERE who claim that they would like to see siddhis
> being performed would wind up denying that they
> had seen them.
>
I would imagine that the same happened in Jesus' day.
No matter what the sidhi was which was performed,
Some wouldn't see it, understand it, etc.
I do think this is true, what has been said above.

Isn't it intelligent to require that extraordinary claims should
require extraordinary proof? Understanding that we are often mislead
by our perceptions seems like an appropriate epistemological humility
considering how often humans are wrong.  Even eyewitnesses to
extraordinary events are wrong more often than not.

When I was in high school in psych class the teacher staged an
interesting experiment where he started the class with a loud heated
argument with a student (acting) to raise our anxiety level.  Then a
person ran in and stabbed him with a banana and he fell down. 
Afterwards we were asked to tell what we saw and only a few students
saw what really happened. (Some saw more than one assailant!) 

Believing everything you see is not an intelligent approach
considering that some people have an agenda to fool you.  The lack of
this understanding is impeding scientific efforts to study the
paranormal.  




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "R.G." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo"  
> wrote:
> > >
> > > I'd love to see Tony Nader fly, it would make my day! I can't
> > > think of a reason why someone wouldn't want to demonstrate
> > > sidhi powers. The old "I don't want to be remembered as a
> > > circus act" excuse doesn't wash, if you want people to 
> > > believe you know what you're talking about I can think of
> > > no better way.
> > 
> > I can -- knowing what you're talking about.  :-)
> > 
> > Seriously, that is the component that was missing
> > in many of Maharishi's pronouncements. He clearly
> > had no grasp of the *issues*, much less his 
> > proposed "solutions" to them. 
> > 
> > Ok, I *know* that most folks here don't believe
> > that I witnessed siddhis being performed. But I did,
> > *whatever* caused me to witness them. So did liter-
> > ally hundreds of other people who attended Rama's
> > talks. So did having witnessed these things convince
> > everyone that he knew what he was talking about?
> > 
> > No, it didn't. I have seen someone I brought to a
> > talk (a TMer) exclaim during the meditation "He's 
> > levitating!" or "Shit...he just disappeared," and 
> > then, the next day, claim that she had seen and 
> > experienced nothing whatsoever out of the ordinary. 
> > In a matter of hours she had managed to "blot out" 
> > any memories of what she had seen and experienced 
> > and *admitted* seeing and experiencing the night 
> > before.
> > 
> > The SAME thing would happen with a large percentage
> > of people if someone in the TMO *could* fly, and 
> > demonstrated it. Only a small percentage of those
> > witnessing the phenomenon would 1) believe that they
> > had actually seen it, or 2) ascribe "knowing what
> > he's talking about-ness" to the person who flew.
> > 
> > It's just human nature, Richard. Over the years I 
> > have heard many, many people here say, "All the TMO 
> > would have to do is demonstrate levitation and all
> > of the doubts would stop." It's simply not true.
> > It's something that people who have never witnessed
> > such phenomena themselves believe. 
> > 
> > Those who have know better. In a remarkably short
> > time, these phenomena become "background," and
> > assumed, and kinda ho-hum. I found myself sitting
> > in lecture halls or out in the desert thinking,
> > "Oh...he's levitating again...big deal." 
> > 
> > Besides, as far as I can tell, there is NO
> > RELATIONSHIP between being able to perform
> > siddhis and one's state of consciousness, or one
> > "knowing what he's talking about." Apples and
> > oranges. The non-enlightened can perform siddhis,
> > and many of the enlightened cannot. 
> > 
> > Again, it is the *rarity* of these phenomena
> > (together with self-serving dogma from spiritual
> > traditions) that claims that there is a link 
> > between siddhis and enlightenment. I perceive
> > no such link. Back in the early days of his
> > teaching, neither did Maharishi. He gave several
> > talks at Squaw Valley in which he said that being
> > able to perform siddhis had NO relationship to
> > one's state of consciousness. Later he changed
> > his tune, "coincidentally" after he had found
> > a way to make money by claiming to teach people
> > siddhis.
> > 
> > Bottom line is that my experience tells me that
> > demonstrations of people flying -- REAL, unfaked
> > demos of people flying -- would convince only a
> > small percentage of people that the phenomenon
> > was actually taking place. The others would find
> > a way to make it "go away," and to pretend th

[FairfieldLife] Re: What is it that most people are most afraid of?

[R.G.]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> This is just a café rap inspired by a previous post 
> to Richard Hughes earlier today, about whether "demos"
> of people flying would radically change people's minds
> about the TMO. If you didn't like the original rap,
> you aren't going to like this one, so hit NEXT now. :-)
> 
> So what is the Big Bad Boogey Man, the thing that most
> people on this planet are most afraid of?
> 
> Some are going to say death, but I'm going to disagree.
> That's kind of a given, and most people have found ways
> to either never think about the prospect or to have some
> comforting belief about what death involves. 
> 
> So, are most people most afraid of terrorism? Of losing
> their jobs or a way to make a living and ending up poor
> and homeless? Of bad things happening to them or their 
> loved ones? If you watch the news, it's clear that all 
> of these are BIG fears in the minds of a lot of people 
> on this planet. But I don't think any of them is the 
> biggest fear, the Big Bad Boogey Man himself.
> 
> I think that the BBBM -- the thing that most people are
> most afraid of -- is cognitive dissonance. Most people
> are most afraid of changing their minds.
> 
> I think that the thing they fear the most is that the 
> belief systems that they have constructed or adopted to 
> "explain" the world around them and how it works are 
> wrong or incomplete, and that if they ever admit this, 
> they'll be in a position of Having No Clue, having to 
> start over and come up with a *new* belief system to 
> "explain" the world around them.
> 
> My theory -- and it's ONLY a theory, a half-baked opinion --
> explains SO MUCH of what we see in the world around us,
> and on this forum. Think about the sometimes over-the-top
> ways that people react to the idea that maybe Maharishi
> wasn't right about everything, or that America is not 
> exactly the beacon of wealth, happiness, liberty, justice, 
> and freedom for all it pretends to be. Some people go 
> CRAZY when these beliefs are challenged. 
> 
> And WHY? Well, I think it's because they perceive -- and
> correctly -- that if the things that these heretics are
> saying about the things that they believe are true, then 
> their beliefs themselves are not true, or not complete. 
> And if that were so, what then? 
> 
> The people who react with anger or TBness IMO perceive a 
> quagmire of *cognitive dissonance* lurking behind the
> heretics and what they are saying. And they're right. 
> 
> But WHY do they fear this?
> 
> One would think that a seeker of truth would be *pleased*
> to discover that his previous beliefs about a subject 
> were incorrect or only partially correct. That would mean
> that the seeker HAD LEARNED SOMETHING NEW. He or 
> she would have *grown*, expanded his or her knowledge of
> the world around them. They wouldn't have "lost" anything
> at all, except the illusory certainty that they knew
> everything about the world around them already.
> 
> As a Buddhist, what I see in the overreactions some have
> to their core beliefs being challenged is attachment. If 
> they were unattached to their beliefs, what would there be
> to fear in having to change them, based on new information?
> 
> And yet people DO fear changing their beliefs. They fight
> WARS to keep from changing their beliefs, and to impose 
> those beliefs on others. 
> 
> I think these people are fearful for no reason, and that
> cognitive dissonance is a Good Thing. I think it's the
> thing that indicates progress -- both intellectual progress 
> and spiritual progress. If you still believe exactly the 
> same things today that you did last year, IMO you have made 
> no progress and learned nothing new during that year. 
> 
> The fearful would say, "But...but...but my beliefs haven't
> changed because they're RIGHT." That could be. Or it could 
> be that their fear that their beliefs AREN'T right or 
> complete has made them attack or close themselves off to 
> new knowledge that might reveal that their previous beliefs 
> weren't right ENOUGH. They weren't quite "there" yet.
> 
> So, my theory is that the Biggest Baddest Boogey Man for
> most people is the fear of cognitive dissonance -- the
> realization that something you believed could not possibly
> happen IS happening, right in front of you. Or conversely,
> that the things you believed with absolute certainty will 
> happen aren't happening. When they are confronted with the 
> potential for cognitive dissonance, they react with the 
> "fight or flight response" -- they lash out or close down, 
> to try to make that potential GO AWAY.
> 
> IMO, what they are lashing out at and closing themselves
> off to is the universe trying to teach them something new.
>
Very insightful post, Thanks...

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: U.S. Immigration

[Bhairitu]

TurquoiseB wrote:
> Exactly why I'm starting to write and sell other
> things. Consulting for a company that is the world
> leader in its field may not be the smartest thing 
> in the world to rely on in a world that may have no 
> money to spend on software. 
>
> As many sociologists and anthropologists have
> pointed out, the key to survival is not strength
> or power, but flexibility, the ability to adapt
> to changing conditions. The rigid die, the 
> flexible survive.
When it was becoming apparently a crash was in the making I began doing 
searches on "how to make money during a recession" and "how to make 
money during a depression."   The main answer on many sites was sell 
lower priced items that people can afford.  It's interesting how many 
companies went the opposite directly and started raising their prices as 
if "let's harvest the market now and head for the hills."  :-D

[FairfieldLife] Re: I quit

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > It seems to me that other aspects of MMY's teaching
> > imply that for a siddhi to occur, Nature has to "want"
> > it to occur. Or to put it another way, what the person
> > in higher consciousness wants can only be what Nature
> > "wants."
> 
 
> I guess this reasoning might provide some solace to the TBs
> (I am not talking about Judy here especially after her
> excellent point about the Constitution in another post) but
> it is lame in the light of the many "Yogic flying"
> demonstrations and promotion of the "special abilities"
> gained by the sidhis at this point.

Or maybe those are what are lame.

[FairfieldLife] Re: U.S. Immigration

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> TurquoiseB wrote:
> > Exactly why I'm starting to write and sell other
> > things. Consulting for a company that is the world
> > leader in its field may not be the smartest thing 
> > in the world to rely on in a world that may have no 
> > money to spend on software. 
> >
> > As many sociologists and anthropologists have
> > pointed out, the key to survival is not strength
> > or power, but flexibility, the ability to adapt
> > to changing conditions. The rigid die, the 
> > flexible survive.
> 
> When it was becoming apparently a crash was in the making I began 
> doing searches on "how to make money during a recession" and "how 
> to make money during a depression."  The main answer on many sites 
> was sell lower priced items that people can afford.  

Interestingly there is another group of businesses
that is rarely affected negatively by a recession
or depression -- business that cater to people with
Too Much Money. In many cases, unless their wealth
was all kept in markets that go bust, the rich stay 
rich during a recession or depression. And they 
still want their toys. 

One of the markets that tends to still do well in
tough times according to the article I read (and one
of our posters here can correct me if the article
was wrong) is high-end audio. These days it would
include high-end video as well. High-end watches
and jewelry continues to sell. And service-oriented
businesses that focus on "personal service, if you
can afford it" still tend to do well.

According to the same article, certain parts of the
entertainment business stay solvent. The worse the
recession or depression, the greater the demand for
*diversion* in the public there is, so there is 
still a market for movies and TV and escapist fiction. 
Quality may go down because of financial constraints,
but quantity tends to go up. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Obama won't win

[R.G.]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "R.G."  wrote:
> 
> 
> [snip]
> 
> and the McCain people who are afraid of any 
> > change and are mostly racists.
 
Wake up;
We live in a racist country, everyone knows it.
Just stated the facts.

[FairfieldLife] Maitreya and Maharishi

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> There have always been paths of freedom and paths of enslavement, so  
> this is hardly new. Just the same old, same old pattern of deep  
> suffering overshadowing our innate authenticity. Some "masters" will  
> enslave their students, while others will set theirs free.

Absolutely. Maharishi never forced His will on anyone, nor does Lord 
Maitreya ofcourse. Free will is a sacred principle by all real Masters. 
Mr. Creme's involvment is also on a 100% volountary basis. He was 
politely ask to be a "messengerboy" and agreed. He has absolutely 
nothing to gain in wordly matters by doing what he is doing; no fees, 
all proceeds from books goes directly and uncut to Share International, 
etcetc. He gets his travelexpenses covered and that's it. He is a  
respected painter by profession. If you ask him I think he'd say he 
would rather paint. He was politely asked to do this job and agreed. 
Simple.

Just because someone, in this case petersuptken, heard about it in 
the '80s doesn't mean it isn't real. I never met Charlie Lutes, but 
from what I've read he was quite a loonie. Several persons on FFL has 
stated that Lutes had a rather liberal view regarding facts, to say the 
least. That this dr. peter reffers to Lutes as an authority on Benjamin 
Creme I find eh, rather peculiar.

That Maitreya is about to reveal His real nature is obviously very 
difficult for religious fundamentalists to swallow. Buddhist and 
Christians alike. Vaj and the Turk are not alone in this opposition, 
actually most Buddhist are indoctrinated to believe that the Lord 
Maitreya will not incarnate in 300.000 years from know. Another myth 
soon to be shattered.

Time will reveal how involved Maharishi was in the work of Maitreya. 
One of who's most prominent Masters happens to be Brahmananda 
Saraswathi. If you wondered why Mr. Creme's information caught my 
attention in the first place, well now you know.

"Heaven will walk on earth, in this generation."
- Maharishi

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: U.S. Immigration

[Bhairitu]

TurquoiseB wrote:
>
> Interestingly there is another group of businesses
> that is rarely affected negatively by a recession
> or depression -- business that cater to people with
> Too Much Money. In many cases, unless their wealth
> was all kept in markets that go bust, the rich stay 
> rich during a recession or depression. And they 
> still want their toys.
Maybe.  There are reports that some of the rich put their money into 
things that aren't panning out.  The crash may well take them down too.
>  
>
> One of the markets that tends to still do well in
> tough times according to the article I read (and one
> of our posters here can correct me if the article
> was wrong) is high-end audio. These days it would
> include high-end video as well. High-end watches
> and jewelry continues to sell. And service-oriented
> businesses that focus on "personal service, if you
> can afford it" still tend to do well.
>   
Some times I wonder if I should replace my almost 8 year old HDTV now 
because prices which have been coming down may actually go back up.  
It's a RPTV and really only does around 1000 pixels across and about 960 
lines.  Some of the newer shows are ignoring the old overscan rules and 
so I'm getting tops of heads cut off. :-D

Also it would be nice to use the better DVD player (my BluRay) which 
would require HDMI which isn't on the 8 year old set.  The old set has 
great display though.
> According to the same article, certain parts of the
> entertainment business stay solvent. The worse the
> recession or depression, the greater the demand for
> *diversion* in the public there is, so there is 
> still a market for movies and TV and escapist fiction. 
> Quality may go down because of financial constraints,
> but quantity tends to go up. 
We seem to have no lack of writers though.  It's the politics of the 
business they have to get around and the tendency for many producers to 
skim on the writing budget.   A good story can be told without a huge 
budget.  They've just created an audience that wants template stories 
with lots of flashy effects.  Jeez, they're even trying to sell 3D again.

[FairfieldLife] Re: I quit

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > > It seems to me that other aspects of MMY's teaching
> > > imply that for a siddhi to occur, Nature has to "want"
> > > it to occur. Or to put it another way, what the person
> > > in higher consciousness wants can only be what Nature
> > > "wants."
> > 
>  
> > I guess this reasoning might provide some solace to the TBs
> > (I am not talking about Judy here especially after her
> > excellent point about the Constitution in another post) but
> > it is lame in the light of the many "Yogic flying"
> > demonstrations and promotion of the "special abilities"
> > gained by the sidhis at this point.
> 
> Or maybe those are what are lame.

Sidhas have only one person to thank for this "lameness."



>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maitreya and Maharishi

[yifuxero]

--No connection.  Creme is an a-hole.  Maitreya hasn't appeared yet.
MMY is the maha-teacher of TM.


- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> > 
> > There have always been paths of freedom and paths of enslavement, 
so  
> > this is hardly new. Just the same old, same old pattern of deep  
> > suffering overshadowing our innate authenticity. Some "masters" 
will  
> > enslave their students, while others will set theirs free.
> 
> Absolutely. Maharishi never forced His will on anyone, nor does 
Lord 
> Maitreya ofcourse. Free will is a sacred principle by all real 
Masters. 
> Mr. Creme's involvment is also on a 100% volountary basis. He was 
> politely ask to be a "messengerboy" and agreed. He has absolutely 
> nothing to gain in wordly matters by doing what he is doing; no 
fees, 
> all proceeds from books goes directly and uncut to Share 
International, 
> etcetc. He gets his travelexpenses covered and that's it. He is a  
> respected painter by profession. If you ask him I think he'd say he 
> would rather paint. He was politely asked to do this job and 
agreed. 
> Simple.
> 
> Just because someone, in this case petersuptken, heard about it in 
> the '80s doesn't mean it isn't real. I never met Charlie Lutes, but 
> from what I've read he was quite a loonie. Several persons on FFL 
has 
> stated that Lutes had a rather liberal view regarding facts, to say 
the 
> least. That this dr. peter reffers to Lutes as an authority on 
Benjamin 
> Creme I find eh, rather peculiar.
> 
> That Maitreya is about to reveal His real nature is obviously very 
> difficult for religious fundamentalists to swallow. Buddhist and 
> Christians alike. Vaj and the Turk are not alone in this 
opposition, 
> actually most Buddhist are indoctrinated to believe that the Lord 
> Maitreya will not incarnate in 300.000 years from know. Another 
myth 
> soon to be shattered.
> 
> Time will reveal how involved Maharishi was in the work of 
Maitreya. 
> One of who's most prominent Masters happens to be Brahmananda 
> Saraswathi. If you wondered why Mr. Creme's information caught my 
> attention in the first place, well now you know.
> 
> "Heaven will walk on earth, in this generation."
> - Maharishi
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maitreya and Maharishi

[yifuxero]

-"Ramtha" was channeled by J.Z. Knight, one of the main New-Age so-
called experts in the "What the Bleep" film.  Hagelin was also there 
as a featured representative of the new physics. The Ramtha/Knight 
popularity rapidly declined after she appeared to a group of gays and 
told them they'd all be dead in 10 years.  That was about 20 years 
ago. On the same level of incredibility as Creme's Maitreya.
  Wiki says:

"Teachings
Ramtha is the central figure (the "master teacher") of Ramtha's 
School of Enlightenment, started by JZ Knight in 1987 in Yelm, 
Washington. Classes (or "dialogues") had been held around the world 
for the previous ten years. A central theme of Ramtha's alleged 
teachings involve the internalization of divinity (God is in Us, You 
are God, Behold God, etc.). Ramtha is described as having brought his 
knowledge to many ancient civilizations in the world such as the 
Ancient Egyptians. The website also suggests that traces of the 
lineage of the original teachings and philosophies he taught 35,000 
years ago have appeared throughout history in the schools of 
philosophers like Socrates, religions like Hinduism and Judaism, and 
the works of great minds such as Leonardo da Vinci and Michelangelo.

In Ramtha's system of thought, the material world — the densest plane 
of existence — and the physical body are never regarded as evil, 
undesirable, or intrinsically bad. A dualistic interpretation of 
reality typically found in the gnostic traditions — emphasizing the 
struggle between good and evil, light and darkness, sin and 
righteousness — is excluded in Ramtha's system of thought. What 
becomes an undesirable condition is to remain in a state of ignorance 
or denial as to our true nature and destiny.

The four cornerstones of Ramtha's philosophy are:

1. The statement 'You are God'
2. The directive to make known the unknown
3. The concept that consciousness and energy create the nature of 
reality
4. The challenge to conquer yourself



Nature
When Knight claims she is channelling Ramtha, she speaks only 
English, although in an accented and sometimes simplistic way and has 
expressed confusion about modern items ("What is a carrot?", "What 
say you in this silver chariot?" directed at a woman in a wheelchair 
['Ramtha', 1986]) while also professing intimate knowledge of worldly 
affairs and conspiracies. During the channeling she behaves 'manly', 
with her chest puffed up talking in a deeper and stern voice, and 
often seen smoking a pipe.[1]






-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --No connection.  Creme is an a-hole.  Maitreya hasn't appeared yet.
> MMY is the maha-teacher of TM.
> 
> 
> - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> > > 
> > > There have always been paths of freedom and paths of 
enslavement, 
> so  
> > > this is hardly new. Just the same old, same old pattern of 
deep  
> > > suffering overshadowing our innate authenticity. Some "masters" 
> will  
> > > enslave their students, while others will set theirs free.
> > 
> > Absolutely. Maharishi never forced His will on anyone, nor does 
> Lord 
> > Maitreya ofcourse. Free will is a sacred principle by all real 
> Masters. 
> > Mr. Creme's involvment is also on a 100% volountary basis. He was 
> > politely ask to be a "messengerboy" and agreed. He has absolutely 
> > nothing to gain in wordly matters by doing what he is doing; no 
> fees, 
> > all proceeds from books goes directly and uncut to Share 
> International, 
> > etcetc. He gets his travelexpenses covered and that's it. He is 
a  
> > respected painter by profession. If you ask him I think he'd say 
he 
> > would rather paint. He was politely asked to do this job and 
> agreed. 
> > Simple.
> > 
> > Just because someone, in this case petersuptken, heard about it 
in 
> > the '80s doesn't mean it isn't real. I never met Charlie Lutes, 
but 
> > from what I've read he was quite a loonie. Several persons on FFL 
> has 
> > stated that Lutes had a rather liberal view regarding facts, to 
say 
> the 
> > least. That this dr. peter reffers to Lutes as an authority on 
> Benjamin 
> > Creme I find eh, rather peculiar.
> > 
> > That Maitreya is about to reveal His real nature is obviously 
very 
> > difficult for religious fundamentalists to swallow. Buddhist and 
> > Christians alike. Vaj and the Turk are not alone in this 
> opposition, 
> > actually most Buddhist are indoctrinated to believe that the Lord 
> > Maitreya will not incarnate in 300.000 years from know. Another 
> myth 
> > soon to be shattered.
> > 
> > Time will reveal how involved Maharishi was in the work of 
> Maitreya. 
> > One of who's most prominent Masters happens to be Brahmananda 
> > Saraswathi. If you wondered why Mr. Creme's information caught my 
> > attention in the first place, well now you know.
> > 
> > "Heaven will walk on earth, in this generation."
> > - Maharis

Re: [FairfieldLife] Maitreya and Maharishi

[Peter]

--- On Wed, 7/16/08, nablusoss1008 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: nablusoss1008 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Maitreya and Maharishi
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, July 16, 2008, 12:56 PM
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > There have always been paths of freedom and paths of
> enslavement, so  
> > this is hardly new. Just the same old, same old
> pattern of deep  
> > suffering overshadowing our innate authenticity. Some
> "masters" will  
> > enslave their students, while others will set theirs
> free.
> 
> Absolutely. Maharishi never forced His will on anyone, nor
> does Lord 
> Maitreya ofcourse. Free will is a sacred principle by all
> real Masters. 
> Mr. Creme's involvment is also on a 100% volountary
> basis. He was 
> politely ask to be a "messengerboy" and agreed.
> He has absolutely 
> nothing to gain in wordly matters by doing what he is
> doing; no fees, 
> all proceeds from books goes directly and uncut to Share
> International, 
> etcetc. He gets his travelexpenses covered and that's
> it. He is a  
> respected painter by profession. If you ask him I think
> he'd say he 
> would rather paint. He was politely asked to do this job
> and agreed. 
> Simple.
> 
> Just because someone, in this case petersuptken, heard
> about it in 
> the '80s doesn't mean it isn't real. I never
> met Charlie Lutes, but 
> from what I've read he was quite a loonie. Several
> persons on FFL has 
> stated that Lutes had a rather liberal view regarding
> facts, to say the 
> least. That this dr. peter reffers to Lutes as an authority
> on Benjamin 
> Creme I find eh, rather peculiar.
> 
> That Maitreya is about to reveal His real nature is
> obviously very 
> difficult for religious fundamentalists to swallow.
> Buddhist and 
> Christians alike. Vaj and the Turk are not alone in this
> opposition, 
> actually most Buddhist are indoctrinated to believe that
> the Lord 
> Maitreya will not incarnate in 300.000 years from know.
> Another myth 
> soon to be shattered.
> 
> Time will reveal how involved Maharishi was in the work of
> Maitreya. 
> One of who's most prominent Masters happens to be
> Brahmananda 
> Saraswathi. If you wondered why Mr. Creme's information
> caught my 
> attention in the first place, well now you know.
> 
> "Heaven will walk on earth, in this generation."
> - Maharishi

Nabs, you have a very low criteria for what qualifies as fact. My criteria is 
more grounded in direct experiential reality than imagination. I mention 
Charlie Lutes as someone very close with MMY and someone people used to bring 
their more esoteric questions to. Charlie thought Creme was being tricked by an 
astral being. I agree. Whether it was an astral being or not, who knows, but 
Creme is no more channeling or letting himself be "overshadowed" by a master 
than my dog is. No master in the history of earth has ever talked through 
someone else. The whole thing is pathetic. A spiritual con for some and a 
wet-dream for others.







> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> To subscribe, send a message to:
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maitreya and Maharishi

[Peter]

My wife does a spot-on impression of "Ramtha" She won't do it for years and 
suddenly she'll stomp into a room like JZ Knight. Spouting all sorts of 
nonsense in new-age speak. Its hilarious.


--- On Wed, 7/16/08, yifuxero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: yifuxero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maitreya and Maharishi
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, July 16, 2008, 1:45 PM
> -"Ramtha" was channeled by J.Z. Knight, one of the
> main New-Age so-
> called experts in the "What the Bleep" film. 
> Hagelin was also there 
> as a featured representative of the new physics. The
> Ramtha/Knight 
> popularity rapidly declined after she appeared to a group
> of gays and 
> told them they'd all be dead in 10 years.  That was
> about 20 years 
> ago. On the same level of incredibility as Creme's
> Maitreya.
>   Wiki says:
> 
> "Teachings
> Ramtha is the central figure (the "master
> teacher") of Ramtha's 
> School of Enlightenment, started by JZ Knight in 1987 in
> Yelm, 
> Washington. Classes (or "dialogues") had been
> held around the world 
> for the previous ten years. A central theme of Ramtha's
> alleged 
> teachings involve the internalization of divinity (God is
> in Us, You 
> are God, Behold God, etc.). Ramtha is described as having
> brought his 
> knowledge to many ancient civilizations in the world such
> as the 
> Ancient Egyptians. The website also suggests that traces of
> the 
> lineage of the original teachings and philosophies he
> taught 35,000 
> years ago have appeared throughout history in the schools
> of 
> philosophers like Socrates, religions like Hinduism and
> Judaism, and 
> the works of great minds such as Leonardo da Vinci and
> Michelangelo.
> 
> In Ramtha's system of thought, the material world —
> the densest plane 
> of existence — and the physical body are never regarded
> as evil, 
> undesirable, or intrinsically bad. A dualistic
> interpretation of 
> reality typically found in the gnostic traditions —
> emphasizing the 
> struggle between good and evil, light and darkness, sin and
> 
> righteousness — is excluded in Ramtha's system of
> thought. What 
> becomes an undesirable condition is to remain in a state of
> ignorance 
> or denial as to our true nature and destiny.
> 
> The four cornerstones of Ramtha's philosophy are:
> 
> 1. The statement 'You are God'
> 2. The directive to make known the unknown
> 3. The concept that consciousness and energy create the
> nature of 
> reality
> 4. The challenge to conquer yourself
> 
> 
> 
> Nature
> When Knight claims she is channelling Ramtha, she speaks
> only 
> English, although in an accented and sometimes simplistic
> way and has 
> expressed confusion about modern items ("What is a
> carrot?", "What 
> say you in this silver chariot?" directed at a woman
> in a wheelchair 
> ['Ramtha', 1986]) while also professing intimate
> knowledge of worldly 
> affairs and conspiracies. During the channeling she behaves
> 'manly', 
> with her chest puffed up talking in a deeper and stern
> voice, and 
> often seen smoking a pipe.[1]
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > --No connection.  Creme is an a-hole.  Maitreya
> hasn't appeared yet.
> > MMY is the maha-teacher of TM.
> > 
> > 
> > - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008
>  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj
>  wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > There have always been paths of freedom and
> paths of 
> enslavement, 
> > so  
> > > > this is hardly new. Just the same old, same
> old pattern of 
> deep  
> > > > suffering overshadowing our innate
> authenticity. Some "masters" 
> > will  
> > > > enslave their students, while others will
> set theirs free.
> > > 
> > > Absolutely. Maharishi never forced His will on
> anyone, nor does 
> > Lord 
> > > Maitreya ofcourse. Free will is a sacred
> principle by all real 
> > Masters. 
> > > Mr. Creme's involvment is also on a 100%
> volountary basis. He was 
> > > politely ask to be a "messengerboy" and
> agreed. He has absolutely 
> > > nothing to gain in wordly matters by doing what
> he is doing; no 
> > fees, 
> > > all proceeds from books goes directly and uncut
> to Share 
> > International, 
> > > etcetc. He gets his travelexpenses covered and
> that's it. He is 
> a  
> > > respected painter by profession. If you ask him I
> think he'd say 
> he 
> > > would rather paint. He was politely asked to do
> this job and 
> > agreed. 
> > > Simple.
> > > 
> > > Just because someone, in this case petersuptken,
> heard about it 
> in 
> > > the '80s doesn't mean it isn't real.
> I never met Charlie Lutes, 
> but 
> > > from what I've read he was quite a loonie.
> Several persons on FFL 
> > has 
> > > stated that Lutes had a rather liberal view
> regarding facts, to 
> say 
> > the 
> > > least. That this dr. peter reffers to Lutes as an
> authority on 
> > Benjamin 
> > > Creme I find eh, rather peculiar.

[FairfieldLife] There will be blood

[shempmcgurk]

On the DVD there is a deleted scene that, in my opinion, is the best 
scene of the movie.  They cut it because the movie was already too 
long.  Sadly.

Well, I found it on youtube. It's about 6 minutes long and the payoff 
is the last 40 seconds but you need to see the whole scene to set it up:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=TE_CXqRMa7U

Scriptwriting doesn't get better than Daniel Plainview's dialogue in 
the last 40 seconds.

[FairfieldLife] Chopra's Soul of Healing

[claudiouk]

Soul of Healing 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lnBiyeMNVg&feature=user

Soul of Healing 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_Wv6RURNAs&feature=related

Soul of Healing 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijgqWaZep7M&feature=related

Soul of Healing 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdvzYt3KnAs&feature=related

Soul of Healing 5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tU5eBqnZJbo&feature=related

Soul of Healing 6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgikqZf7D3c&feature=related

Soul of Healing 7
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yha8gud9PlI&feature=related

Soul of Healing 8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeS4Jkw6Ba4

Soul of Healing 9
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNjYDEwedkM&feature=related

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maitreya and Maharishi

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> My wife does a spot-on impression of "Ramtha" She won't do 
> it for years and suddenly she'll stomp into a room like JZ 
> Knight. Spouting all sorts of nonsense in new-age speak. 
> Its hilarious.

When I lived in Sauve, I got ahold of a copy of
"What the Bleep?" because it was produced by 
someone I know. I invited Robert Crumb over to
see it, because he's occasionally interested in 
such things. He knew nothing about the film and
nothing about JZ Knight/Ramtha (and they hid that
well in the film). 

So he watched the film with us, and then after-
wards I asked him what he thought of it. He said,
"Well I liked the one priest and a couple of the
science guys (not Hagelin), but who was that
woman who seemed to be possessed by Satan?"

I cracked right up. He nailed it.


> --- On Wed, 7/16/08, yifuxero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > From: yifuxero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maitreya and Maharishi
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Wednesday, July 16, 2008, 1:45 PM
> > -"Ramtha" was channeled by J.Z. Knight, one of the
> > main New-Age so-
> > called experts in the "What the Bleep" film. 
> > Hagelin was also there 
> > as a featured representative of the new physics. The
> > Ramtha/Knight 
> > popularity rapidly declined after she appeared to a group
> > of gays and 
> > told them they'd all be dead in 10 years.  That was
> > about 20 years 
> > ago. On the same level of incredibility as Creme's
> > Maitreya.
> >   Wiki says:
> > 
> > "Teachings
> > Ramtha is the central figure (the "master
> > teacher") of Ramtha's 
> > School of Enlightenment, started by JZ Knight in 1987 in
> > Yelm, 
> > Washington. Classes (or "dialogues") had been
> > held around the world 
> > for the previous ten years. A central theme of Ramtha's
> > alleged 
> > teachings involve the internalization of divinity (God is
> > in Us, You 
> > are God, Behold God, etc.). Ramtha is described as having
> > brought his 
> > knowledge to many ancient civilizations in the world such
> > as the 
> > Ancient Egyptians. The website also suggests that traces of
> > the 
> > lineage of the original teachings and philosophies he
> > taught 35,000 
> > years ago have appeared throughout history in the schools
> > of 
> > philosophers like Socrates, religions like Hinduism and
> > Judaism, and 
> > the works of great minds such as Leonardo da Vinci and
> > Michelangelo.
> > 
> > In Ramtha's system of thought, the material world â€"
> > the densest plane 
> > of existence â€" and the physical body are never regarded
> > as evil, 
> > undesirable, or intrinsically bad. A dualistic
> > interpretation of 
> > reality typically found in the gnostic traditions â€"
> > emphasizing the 
> > struggle between good and evil, light and darkness, sin and
> > 
> > righteousness â€" is excluded in Ramtha's system of
> > thought. What 
> > becomes an undesirable condition is to remain in a state of
> > ignorance 
> > or denial as to our true nature and destiny.
> > 
> > The four cornerstones of Ramtha's philosophy are:
> > 
> > 1. The statement 'You are God'
> > 2. The directive to make known the unknown
> > 3. The concept that consciousness and energy create the
> > nature of 
> > reality
> > 4. The challenge to conquer yourself
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Nature
> > When Knight claims she is channelling Ramtha, she speaks
> > only 
> > English, although in an accented and sometimes simplistic
> > way and has 
> > expressed confusion about modern items ("What is a
> > carrot?", "What 
> > say you in this silver chariot?" directed at a woman
> > in a wheelchair 
> > ['Ramtha', 1986]) while also professing intimate
> > knowledge of worldly 
> > affairs and conspiracies. During the channeling she behaves
> > 'manly', 
> > with her chest puffed up talking in a deeper and stern
> > voice, and 
> > often seen smoking a pipe.[1]
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero"
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > --No connection.  Creme is an a-hole.  Maitreya
> > hasn't appeared yet.
> > > MMY is the maha-teacher of TM.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008
> >  
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj
> >  wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > There have always been paths of freedom and
> > paths of 
> > enslavement, 
> > > so  
> > > > > this is hardly new. Just the same old, same
> > old pattern of 
> > deep  
> > > > > suffering overshadowing our innate
> > authenticity. Some "masters" 
> > > will  
> > > > > enslave their students, while others will
> > set theirs free.
> > > > 
> > > > Absolutely. Maharishi never forced His will on
> > anyone, nor does 
> > > Lord 
> > > > Maitreya ofcourse. Free will is a sacred
> > principle by all real 
> > > Masters. 
> > > > Mr. Creme's involvment is also on a 100%
> > volountary basis. He was 
> > > > politely ask to be a "messengerboy" and
> > 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maitreya and Maharishi

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 > > 
> > "Heaven will walk on earth, in this generation."
> > - Maharishi
> 
> Nabs, you have a very low criteria for what qualifies as fact. My 
criteria is more grounded in direct experiential reality than 
imagination. I mention Charlie Lutes as someone very close with MMY and 
someone people used to bring their more esoteric questions to. 

Your "direct experimental reality" is of no use as you take Charlie 
Lutes as your measure of accountability.

Lutes as close to MMY ? What a joke ! Maharishi cut off that nutcase, 
as you know very well. 

Re: [FairfieldLife] There will be blood

[Bhairitu]

shempmcgurk wrote:
> On the DVD there is a deleted scene that, in my opinion, is the best 
> scene of the movie.  They cut it because the movie was already too 
> long.  Sadly.
>
> Well, I found it on youtube. It's about 6 minutes long and the payoff 
> is the last 40 seconds but you need to see the whole scene to set it up:
>
> http://youtube.com/watch?v=TE_CXqRMa7U
>
> Scriptwriting doesn't get better than Daniel Plainview's dialogue in 
> the last 40 seconds.
I don't know if they're on the DVD version but the BluRay has a early 
documentary made by Sinclair Oil about the oil business at that time 
including how they cleaned the pipelines.  There is also an interesting 
compilation of films and photographs from research for the film. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maitreya and Maharishi

[yifuxero]

--Nab, you have a point; but the bottom line is the paucity of 
information regarding the existence of a physical Maitreya.  Apart 
from that phoney doctored photo of him supposedly in Africa; let's 
see the rest of the photos.  There are hundreds of ph. of MMY, if not 
thousands; with countless people seeing him physically.  Where are 
the eyewitnesses to the physical presence of Maitreya?  Where are the 
photos?  Get a life.



- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter  wrote:
>  > > 
> > > "Heaven will walk on earth, in this generation."
> > > - Maharishi
> > 
> > Nabs, you have a very low criteria for what qualifies as fact. My 
> criteria is more grounded in direct experiential reality than 
> imagination. I mention Charlie Lutes as someone very close with MMY 
and 
> someone people used to bring their more esoteric questions to. 
> 
> Your "direct experimental reality" is of no use as you take Charlie 
> Lutes as your measure of accountability.
> 
> Lutes as close to MMY ? What a joke ! Maharishi cut off that 
nutcase, 
> as you know very well.
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maitreya and Maharishi

[Peter]

--- On Wed, 7/16/08, nablusoss1008 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: nablusoss1008 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maitreya and Maharishi
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, July 16, 2008, 3:48 PM
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  > > 
> > > "Heaven will walk on earth, in this
> generation."
> > > - Maharishi
> > 
> > Nabs, you have a very low criteria for what qualifies
> as fact. My 
> criteria is more grounded in direct experiential reality
> than 
> imagination. I mention Charlie Lutes as someone very close
> with MMY and 
> someone people used to bring their more esoteric questions
> to. 
> 
> Your "direct experimental reality" is of no use
> as you take Charlie 
> Lutes as your measure of accountability.
> 
> Lutes as close to MMY ? What a joke ! Maharishi cut off
> that nutcase, 
> as you know very well. 

Nabs, don't disrespect a wonderful man that was dearly loved by so many people. 
He was everyones Dutch uncle. By the way, the term is "experiential", not 
"experimental."




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[FairfieldLife] Re: I quit

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 

Get a checking curtis!

And muscicians should always practice scales. It would do you much 
good; e-g-h-d-f, e-g-h-d-f !
At least it would keep you away from troublesome thoughts about what 
Maharishi was doing and who Maitreya really is. About which you 
obviously know nothing. And considerations that seem to disinterest you.
e-g-h-d-f!

[FairfieldLife] Re: U.S. Immigration

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> TurquoiseB wrote:
> >
> > Interestingly there is another group of businesses
> > that is rarely affected negatively by a recession
> > or depression -- business that cater to people with
> > Too Much Money. In many cases, unless their wealth
> > was all kept in markets that go bust, the rich stay
> > rich during a recession or depression. And they
> > still want their toys.
> Maybe.  There are reports that some of the rich put their money into
> things that aren't panning out.  The crash may well take them down
too.


I believe the rich will be affected the most. For most people you either
are able to hang on to your home or job or you are not. Its a simple
equation, then you just move on, adapt, change, and life goes on.

But for the rich, they are suddenly panicking about where their money
should go. Can't trust anything or anyone with it. So they have to run
around like headless-chickens worrying about if their money could get
quickly sucked away.

Probably gold is the only safe place, or prime real estate, but the
latter will only be any good if there is a very strong turn-around in
the future.

I think a lot of the criminals among the rich, like Dick Cheney, the
Bush's and McCain's are just trying to grab as much money as possible as
quickly as possible, and by making sure the wars continue to their
financial benefit.

OffWorld









> >
> > One of the markets that tends to still do well in
> > tough times according to the article I read (and one
> > of our posters here can correct me if the article
> > was wrong) is high-end audio. These days it would
> > include high-end video as well. High-end watches
> > and jewelry continues to sell. And service-oriented
> > businesses that focus on "personal service, if you
> > can afford it" still tend to do well.
> >
> Some times I wonder if I should replace my almost 8 year old HDTV now
> because prices which have been coming down may actually go back up.
> It's a RPTV and really only does around 1000 pixels across and about
960
> lines.  Some of the newer shows are ignoring the old overscan rules
and
> so I'm getting tops of heads cut off. :-D
>
> Also it would be nice to use the better DVD player (my BluRay) which
> would require HDMI which isn't on the 8 year old set.  The old set has
> great display though.
> > According to the same article, certain parts of the
> > entertainment business stay solvent. The worse the
> > recession or depression, the greater the demand for
> > *diversion* in the public there is, so there is
> > still a market for movies and TV and escapist fiction.
> > Quality may go down because of financial constraints,
> > but quantity tends to go up.
> We seem to have no lack of writers though.  It's the politics of the
> business they have to get around and the tendency for many producers
to
> skim on the writing budget.   A good story can be told without a huge
> budget.  They've just created an audience that wants template stories
> with lots of flashy effects.  Jeez, they're even trying to sell 3D
again.
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I quit

[Peter]

--- On Wed, 7/16/08, curtisdeltablues <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: curtisdeltablues <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: I quit
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, July 16, 2008, 1:04 PM
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
> "curtisdeltablues" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > > It seems to me that other aspects of
> MMY's teaching
> > > > imply that for a siddhi to occur, Nature has
> to "want"
> > > > it to occur. Or to put it another way, what
> the person
> > > > in higher consciousness wants can only be
> what Nature
> > > > "wants."
> > > 
> >  
> > > I guess this reasoning might provide some solace
> to the TBs
> > > (I am not talking about Judy here especially
> after her
> > > excellent point about the Constitution in another
> post) but
> > > it is lame in the light of the many "Yogic
> flying"
> > > demonstrations and promotion of the "special
> abilities"
> > > gained by the sidhis at this point.
> > 
> > Or maybe those are what are lame.
> 
> Sidhas have only one person to thank for this
> "lameness."

Nature insists that I respond to this post.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: I quit

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> 
> Get a checking curtis!
> 
> And muscicians should always practice scales. It would do you much 
> good; e-g-h-d-f, e-g-h-d-f !

Don't worry, Curtis knows his scales. The only one
he still has any trouble with is H-minor.

[FairfieldLife] Re: I quit

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> > 
> > Get a checking curtis!
> > 
> > And muscicians should always practice scales. It would do you much 
> > good; e-g-h-d-f, e-g-h-d-f !
> 
> Don't worry, Curtis knows his scales. The only one
> he still has any trouble with is H-minor.

Actually, as I understand it, in German notation
there is an H. That's why Bach could make musical
puns by composing things using the notes of his name.

[FairfieldLife] Re: I quit

[curtisdeltablues]

> Don't worry, Curtis knows his scales. The only one
> he still has any trouble with is H-minor.

Cuz all my humor is MAJOR!


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> > 
> > Get a checking curtis!
> > 
> > And muscicians should always practice scales. It would do you much 
> > good; e-g-h-d-f, e-g-h-d-f !
> 
> Don't worry, Curtis knows his scales. The only one
> he still has any trouble with is H-minor.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: There will be blood

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> shempmcgurk wrote:
> > On the DVD there is a deleted scene that, in my opinion, is the 
best 
> > scene of the movie.  They cut it because the movie was already 
too 
> > long.  Sadly.
> >
> > Well, I found it on youtube. It's about 6 minutes long and the 
payoff 
> > is the last 40 seconds but you need to see the whole scene to set 
it up:
> >
> > http://youtube.com/watch?v=TE_CXqRMa7U
> >
> > Scriptwriting doesn't get better than Daniel Plainview's dialogue 
in 
> > the last 40 seconds.
> I don't know if they're on the DVD version but the BluRay has a 
early 
> documentary made by Sinclair Oil about the oil business at that 
time 
> including how they cleaned the pipelines.  There is also an 
interesting 
> compilation of films and photographs from research for the film.
>

Yes, the DVD does have the documentary, which I found 
fascinating...it's a silent movie.

Tell me about your Blue Ray system: how do you like it?

What kind of screen do you have?

The demo's I've seen of Blue Ray at Best Buy really are 
impressive...makes one wonder whether movie theatres will soon be 
obsolete!

[FairfieldLife] Re: I quit

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> >
> > On Jul 16, 2008, at 10:00 AM, Peter wrote:
> > >
> > > --- On Wed, 7/16/08, Vaj  wrote:
> > >
> > > > There have always been paths of freedom and paths of 
> > > > enslavement, so this is hardly new. Just the same old, same 
> > > > old pattern of deep suffering overshadowing our innate 
> > > > authenticity. Some "masters" will enslave their students, 
> > > > while others will set theirs free.
> > >
> > > SSRS once mentioned this too. He said some masters enslave 
their  
> > > students. Gee, I wonder who he was talking about?
> > 
> > The mechanics of such "spiritual enslavement" are actually quite  
> > interesting. A favorite way is to force kundalini up an aberrant  
> > path: the student thinks s/he is having some sort of awakening 
or  
> > profound unstressing but instead ends up trapped in some pattern  
> > which cannot culminate in unity, although they may receive the  
> > occasional "glimpse". Terrorist groups throughout history have 
> > used similar techniques like scaring the person to death, it 
> > forces kundalini "awake" but the incredible fear guarantees an 
> > imbalanced awakening and a person stuck in limbo who is ready for 
> > whatever indoctrination the "guru" wants to imprint. The real 
life 
> > idea of zombification in Voudoun also relies on a similar 
technique 
> > where the person is paralyzed into a drug induced coma and then 
> > buried alive (an old African "shamanic" technique). The total 
fear 
> > of being buried alive, once again guarantees the kundalini will 
> > awaken, but in a way that leaves the person trapped and easily 
> > manipulable.
> 
> Less occult and flashy :-) but equally effective
> is to put a person into an altered state of conscious-
> ness, one in which he is disoriented and unable to 
> focus properly, and then forcing him to watch videos
> or listen to indoctrination lectures for hours a day.
> 
> Does anyone here remember ever feeling "spaced out"
> on a TM residence course? Ever feel as if you 
> couldn't quite focus properly, and were disoriented?

Nope. Drowsy sometimes, but in that case I'd just nod
off, or not attend the lecture at all but stay in my
room and sleep. In my experience, nobody ever "forced"
us to attend lectures if we wanted to sleep, nor was
anyone ever "forced" to watch or listen to lectures
or tapes if their mind was elsewhere or they dozed
off right in their chair.


> As a side note, Vaj, my experience on other non-TM
> in-residence courses and retreats is that I *never*
> felt spaced out. On the contrary, there was a marked 
> *increase* in clarity of thought and action and the 
> ability to focus and handle worldly tasks.

That's how I usually felt during TM courses (the only
exception being occasional drowsiness, which was just
ordinary drowsiness, not "spaced-out" drowsiness).

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maitreya and Maharishi

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
> Nabs, don't disrespect a wonderful man that was dearly loved by so 
many people. He was everyones Dutch uncle. By the way, the term 
is "experiential", not "experimental."

Sorry mate but you come across as someone who is more experimental than 
experiental. Liking "Dutch Uncles" is really not a part of my 
vocabulary. But if you like such; good for you ! Does your wife 
approve ?
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: What is it that most people are most afraid of?

[Richard J. Williams]

TurquoiseB wrote:
> I think that the BBBM -- the thing that most people are
> most afraid of -- is cognitive dissonance. Most people
> are most afraid of changing their minds.
> 
Is that what 'cognitive dissonance' means? A fear of 
changing your minds? How many 'minds' do people have
to change?

"In psychology, cognitive dissonance is an uncomfortable 
feeling or stress caused by holding two contradictory 
ideas simultaneously. The theory of cognitive dissonance 
proposes that people have a fundamental cognitive drive 
to reduce this dissonance by modifying an existing belief, 
or rejecting one of the contradictory ideas."

Cognitive dissonance:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maitreya and Maharishi

[Peter]

--- On Wed, 7/16/08, nablusoss1008 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: nablusoss1008 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maitreya and Maharishi
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, July 16, 2008, 4:53 PM
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> 
> > Nabs, don't disrespect a wonderful man that was
> dearly loved by so 
> many people. He was everyones Dutch uncle. By the way, the
> term 
> is "experiential", not "experimental."
> 
> Sorry mate but you come across as someone who is more
> experimental than 
> experiental. Liking "Dutch Uncles" is really not
> a part of my 
> vocabulary. But if you like such; good for you ! Does your
> wife 
> approve ?

Nabs, I knew it wasn't part of your vocabulary, but I'm sure there's an 
equivalent in Swedish (are you Swedish, Danish, Russian, Finish, Voltian, I 
don't know!) Charlie was a spiritual Dutch uncle.



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[FairfieldLife] Re: I quit

[Richard J. Williams]

Judy wrote:
> By "lost it heavily," Barry means I exposed his
> purpose: to intimidate TMers into keeping quiet.
> I also pointed out that he dishonestly took the
> quotes out of context (just as Andrew did on his
> site), and that by not revealing where he'd posted
> the quotes, he'd effectively prevented any of us
> who wanted to challenge what he'd posted from
> doing so.
> 
"He's been getting some serious flak on FFL for his 
behavior, so he's decided to try to intimidate his 
critics into silence by taking quotes from their 
posts out of context and posting them to other 
forums as "representative" of TMers. He's tried 
other tactics to accomplish this in the past. None 
of them has worked, and this one isn't working 
either.

Oh, and he won't say which forums he's posting his 
quotes to. I check in on this one occasionally, 
which is how I saw he was doing it here. He has 
become one very sick dude."

Read more: 

Subject: THINGS TMers BELIEVE, Volume I
From: Judy Stein
Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
Date:  Tues, Mar 6 2007
http://tinyurl.com/2oxg4l

[FairfieldLife] Re: U.S. Immigration

[Richard J. Williams]

off wrote:
> Probably gold is the only safe place, 
>
Where are you going to hide $300,000 in
gold coins? 

Take all your cash out of banks and 
purchase easily redeemed 'Certificates 
of Deposit' or CDs.

> or prime real estate, 
>
Do not buy any real estate or stocks.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maitreya and Maharishi

[Vaj]

On Jul 16, 2008, at 2:04 PM, Peter wrote:

> My wife does a spot-on impression of "Ramtha" She won't do it for  
> years and suddenly she'll stomp into a room like JZ Knight. Spouting  
> all sorts of nonsense in new-age speak. Its hilarious.


It's interesting to me that the famous trance channelers and gurus,  
few of the western ones are homely--they're almost all babes, and JZ  
Knight is (or was) drop dead gorgeous. The only reason she was  
remotely interesting to listen to (other than for the obvious  
entertainment value) was she was just such a babe-a-licious babbler.  
Kind of a Doris Day from Atlantis.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maitreya and Maharishi

[yifuxero]

---True. But in the "Bleep" movie she looks overly botoxed (on top of a 
few facelifts); far more so than Hillary.


 In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Jul 16, 2008, at 2:04 PM, Peter wrote:
> 
> > My wife does a spot-on impression of "Ramtha" She won't do it for  
> > years and suddenly she'll stomp into a room like JZ Knight. 
Spouting  
> > all sorts of nonsense in new-age speak. Its hilarious.
> 
> 
> It's interesting to me that the famous trance channelers and gurus,  
> few of the western ones are homely--they're almost all babes, and JZ  
> Knight is (or was) drop dead gorgeous. The only reason she was  
> remotely interesting to listen to (other than for the obvious  
> entertainment value) was she was just such a babe-a-licious babbler.  
> Kind of a Doris Day from Atlantis.
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maitreya and Maharishi

[Vaj]

Channeling not only causes vata derrangement over time according to  
Ayurveda, but it can also effect the mental life and your overall  
health. It's not unusual to die from weird vata illnesses due to the  
constant shift in personality and psychophysiology--which has a  
different immune system and everything--from the human "host". You see  
the same thing in Multiple Personality Disorder where the individual  
personalities have their own allergies, health issues, etc.


On Jul 16, 2008, at 7:11 PM, yifuxero wrote:

> ---True. But in the "Bleep" movie she looks overly botoxed (on top  
> of a
> few facelifts); far more so than Hillary.

[FairfieldLife] Re: U.S. Immigration

[bettyblue109]

whatever they are telling you to do here with your money, do the exact 
opposite, most of these folks are billionaires after all and they know 
best to invest thie and your money!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> off wrote:
> > Probably gold is the only safe place, 
> >
> Where are you going to hide $300,000 in
> gold coins? 
> 
> Take all your cash out of banks and 
> purchase easily redeemed 'Certificates 
> of Deposit' or CDs.
> 
> > or prime real estate, 
> >
> Do not buy any real estate or stocks.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: U.S. Immigration - corrected spelling

[bettyblue109]

whatever they are telling you to do here with your money, do the 
exact opposite, most of these folks are billionaires after all and 
they know best to invest their own and your money!
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > off wrote:
> > > Probably gold is the only safe place, 
> > >
> > Where are you going to hide $300,000 in
> > gold coins? 
> > 
> > Take all your cash out of banks and 
> > purchase easily redeemed 'Certificates 
> > of Deposit' or CDs.
> > 
> > > or prime real estate, 
> > >
> > Do not buy any real estate or stocks.
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: There will be blood

[Bhairitu]

shempmcgurk wrote:
>
> Tell me about your Blue Ray system: how do you like it?
>   
BluRay is very nice except that some of the studios run their own custom 
copy protection and you have to sit there and wait for it to load and 
execute its custom code which is annoying.   Disks are still too pricey 
at $30 usually.  I've picked up a few on sale.  Fortunately we still 
have a Hollywood Video around here that gets many BluRay releases to 
rent.  The only ones they're missing often is the Blockbuster 
"exclusives" and since they're across the street from HV I can go there 
for those.
> What kind of screen do you have?
>   
53" Pioneer set.  RPTV (not made anymore)
> The demo's I've seen of Blue Ray at Best Buy really are 
> impressive...makes one wonder whether movie theatres will soon be 
> obsolete!
Hard to compare even the best home theater system to a theater DLP 
system  like the Christie.   But the last show I saw looked like they 
need to do a little convergence adjustment with the Christie.   You're 
also looking at a 20-30' screen.   I read recently that Texas 
Instruments is bowing out of DLP due to a weak market and noticed that 
DLP sets have been marked down even more.  LCD seems to be the clear winner.

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[FairfieldLife] latest Jib-Jab

[yifuxero]

at http://www.tinyurl.com/6gbvt5

(upper left, "Campaignin'" featured on CNN)

[FairfieldLife] Re: latest Jib-Jab

[yifuxero]

---Sorry.  It's at http://www.tinyurl.com/6k5cu9


 In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> at http://www.tinyurl.com/6gbvt5
> 
> (upper left, "Campaignin'" featured on CNN)
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: I quit

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> > >
> > > On Jul 16, 2008, at 10:00 AM, Peter wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- On Wed, 7/16/08, Vaj  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > There have always been paths of freedom and paths of 
> > > > > enslavement, so this is hardly new. Just the same old, same 
> > > > > old pattern of deep suffering overshadowing our innate 
> > > > > authenticity. Some "masters" will enslave their students, 
> > > > > while others will set theirs free.
> > > >
> > > > SSRS once mentioned this too. He said some masters enslave 
> their  
> > > > students. Gee, I wonder who he was talking about?
> > > 
> > > The mechanics of such "spiritual enslavement" are actually quite  
> > > interesting. A favorite way is to force kundalini up an aberrant  
> > > path: the student thinks s/he is having some sort of awakening 
> or  
> > > profound unstressing but instead ends up trapped in some pattern  
> > > which cannot culminate in unity, although they may receive the  
> > > occasional "glimpse". Terrorist groups throughout history have 
> > > used similar techniques like scaring the person to death, it 
> > > forces kundalini "awake" but the incredible fear guarantees an 
> > > imbalanced awakening and a person stuck in limbo who is ready for 
> > > whatever indoctrination the "guru" wants to imprint. The real 
> life 
> > > idea of zombification in Voudoun also relies on a similar 
> technique 
> > > where the person is paralyzed into a drug induced coma and then 
> > > buried alive (an old African "shamanic" technique). The total 
> fear 
> > > of being buried alive, once again guarantees the kundalini will 
> > > awaken, but in a way that leaves the person trapped and easily 
> > > manipulable.
> > 
> > Less occult and flashy :-) but equally effective
> > is to put a person into an altered state of conscious-
> > ness, one in which he is disoriented and unable to 
> > focus properly, and then forcing him to watch videos
> > or listen to indoctrination lectures for hours a day.
> > 
> > Does anyone here remember ever feeling "spaced out"
> > on a TM residence course? Ever feel as if you 
> > couldn't quite focus properly, and were disoriented?
> 
> Nope. Drowsy sometimes, but in that case I'd just nod
> off, or not attend the lecture at all but stay in my
> room and sleep. In my experience, nobody ever "forced"
> us to attend lectures if we wanted to sleep, nor was
> anyone ever "forced" to watch or listen to lectures
> or tapes if their mind was elsewhere or they dozed
> off right in their chair.
> 

On my sidhis course, they required you to attend certain lectures
just because they needed to "know where you were," but you 
were encouraged to bring a blanket and pillow and sleep in the 
back of the room if you felt sleepy.

> 
> > As a side note, Vaj, my experience on other non-TM
> > in-residence courses and retreats is that I *never*
> > felt spaced out. On the contrary, there was a marked 
> > *increase* in clarity of thought and action and the 
> > ability to focus and handle worldly tasks.
> 
> That's how I usually felt during TM courses (the only
> exception being occasional drowsiness, which was just
> ordinary drowsiness, not "spaced-out" drowsiness).
>

There were times when I fel spaced out after long periods
or rounding, but there are times when I felt spaced out
after one session of TM. I suspect its a matter of the condition
of the nervous system. Given MY problems, I'm not surprised
that I space out on occasion.

Lawson

[FairfieldLife] One More Sign It's Kali Yuga Time!

[Bhairitu]

*Women turn to pole dancing due to rising gas & food prices, other expenses*
http://www.wafb.com/global/story.asp?s=8684852

[FairfieldLife] Message of Balsekar: Do nothing since everything will happen anyway.

[yifuxero]

http://www.tinyurl.com/6n5ue4
as part of http://www.tinyurl.com;5zdxc2
"
Finally, as things are about to wrap up, I said, "Can I try to sum up 
what you've been saying for the last few hours?" "Certainly," Ramesh 
replied staring me down."

"Okay, there's a thing you're calling `enlightenment' which you 
describe as the 100% complete conviction and understanding that there 
is no inherent `do-er' in our life. That we are not the instigators 
of our thoughts and actions but, instead, we and everything about us 
is merely an expression of some un-name-able something which is all 
of existence."

He nods. I continue.

"So, if there is no `person' who is doing any thing, if we are not 
the causes but, instead, the effects… then there's nothing we can do 
to make this understanding/awakening thing happen. No amount of 
meditating, no amount of spiritual practice, no amount of sitting 
here with Ramesh Balsekar will guarantee it happening, or accelerate 
when it happens. And no amount of not practicing or acting `non-
spiritually' will keep it away. If it's going to happen, it'll happen 
and if not, then not. And there's nothing to do be done about it 
either way."

"YES! That's it," he laughed… and I laughed with him… but I looked 
around the room and nobody else was laughing. In fact, they all 
looked like they were thinking "If I could really understand that 
point, then that would lead to my enlightenment!"

Oh, well.

"If you want something to do while you're waiting to see if it 
happens or not, I have something for you," Ramesh offered to the 
group. "At the end of the day, sit down and relax — if you need a 
beer or two to relax, do that. Then think of something you did that 
day, something you know that you did, something where you know you 
had control over it… and then examine that carefully."

This is very similar to something I teach people to do (something I 
picked up from my friend Byron Katie). Take a look at all the things 
you do without any awareness at all? Did you consciously decide to 
put your arms or legs in that position? And if so, take a look at the 
thought that preceded your action? Did you make that thought happen? 
Were you sitting around doing nothing, and think, "Okay, I'll have 
the thought about going to get some ice cream in … 5… 4… 3… 2… and 
NOW!" or did you just notice that you had the thought? Or notice that 
you must have had the thought because you now find yourself on the 
way to get some Chunky Monkey?

If you force yourself to think about an elephant, did you consciously 
make it exactly that size, that color? Did you plan to put those 
rough hairs on the elephant's feet (or had you not even thought about 
it until I said it, at which point it showed up, fully formed without 
any effort)?

"Do this for about 30 minutes each night," Ramesh suggested. And one 
day, you'll be blinded by the total, complete understanding… and 
it'll all be done.

Oh, crap. When push comes to shove, even the guy who spent 3 hours 
(and 30+ years) saying there's nothing to do that will get you where 
you think you want to go, gives something to do to get you there! 
Hmmm…

"

[FairfieldLife] Is this p*r*?

[cardemaister]

A clip from a Russian hidden camera show:

http://nakedfunny.com/en/video/movie-732.html

[FairfieldLife] ME and HP?

[cardemaister]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/world/west_europe/pressure.shtml

There "should" be a fairly "persistent" High Pressure "over" Denmark
from about 15th to 24th August:

>> > From 12th to 15th June 140 Sidhas experienced the beginning of
>> > Invincible Denmark. The atmosphere was permeated with silence ­
>> > simplicity ­ BLISS. The Unified Field took over and administered
>> > the course with perfect order and harmony. That was a taste of 
what
>> > the future will bring.
>> >
>> > Together we will experience and enliven even more silence ­
>> > simplicity, when 250 sidhas meet 15th ­ 24th August. We enliven
>> > and radiate Vedic Knowledge ­ and we can share this wisdom with
>> > the rest of Denmark through our group practice of Yogic Flying. 
We
>> > know the effect is real. 250 Yogic Flyers will meet ­ and Natures
>> > own government starts functioning ­ the result is a society free
>> > of problems and suffering. It is completely simple ­ we just have
>> > to do it ­ fly together. Good news and more harmony will be the
>> > result.
>> >
>> > Together each one of us will have the experience of blissful
>> > programs. Nothing in the world is more important than flying
>> > together now ­ everything else will have to wait. Invincibility
>> > will bring all good. We will create a society where we can come
>> > together ­ without problems and suffering. Invincibility creates
>> > sunshine ­ the full sunshine of the Age of Enlightenment.
>> >
>> > Our collective flying will bring that full sunshine 15th ­ 24th
>> > August 2008.
>> >
>> > Your job is to sign up NOW ­ take a decision ­ apply today. Then
>> > we know that you will come ­ that you have done the right thing
>> > for yourself and the world. We look forward to be seeing you 
15th
>> > August for our 9 day long summer celebration.