[FairfieldLife] Re: Lou Valentino - Full Moon Messages ...as of today.

[raunchydog]

Is Barry's sign Aqueeryass?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Oct 13, 2008, at 2:52 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > > There you it--the mystery revealed--based on the transits of
> > > > > > planets.  If any of you had a similar dream this morning, 
> > > > > > likely your ascendant is Cancer (by jyotish calculation), 
> > > > > > the same as mine.
> > > > >
> > > > > Just when I thought that Lou had "Loon Of
> > > > > The Week" completely sewn up, I read this.
> > > > 
> > > > What do you expect,  Barry?  It's 2 and a half weeks before
> > > > Halloween--the devatas are warming up!
> > > 
> > > It's just that I'd never really thought about
> > > the astrological interpretation of dreams.
> > > Now it's got me curious.
> > > 
> > > For example, the other night I had a smokin' 
> > > hot dream in which Anne Heche and I got naked
> > > and got it on. And I know that it was really
> > > her because I've seen those breasts in quite
> > > a few films now. 
> > > 
> > > So, Jyotish-wise, does this make me a lesbian?
> > 
> > 
> > No.  It means that you were more likely born under the sign of 
> > Aquarius, per jyotish rules.  
> 
> Bzzt. Wrong.
> 
> > Why?  Because Mars and Venus presently 
> > are transiting Libra, the 9th house from Aquarius. In jyotish, the 
> > conjunction of Mars and Venus signifies torrid love or sexual 
> > affairs.  Since Venus is in its own house of Libra, it is expected 
> > that the woman in your dream would be beautiful and would be 
> > similar to an actress like Ann Heche.
> 
> And all of this based on a guess of "what's my sign"
> that is completely wrong. 
> 
> You sure know how to make a case for the validity
> of Jyotish, John.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Lou Valentino - Full Moon Messages ...as of today.

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > On Oct 13, 2008, at 2:52 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:
> > > 
> > > > > There you it--the mystery revealed--based on the transits of
> > > > > planets.  If any of you had a similar dream this morning, 
> > > > > likely your ascendant is Cancer (by jyotish calculation), 
> > > > > the same as mine.
> > > >
> > > > Just when I thought that Lou had "Loon Of
> > > > The Week" completely sewn up, I read this.
> > > 
> > > What do you expect,  Barry?  It's 2 and a half weeks before
> > > Halloween--the devatas are warming up!
> > 
> > It's just that I'd never really thought about
> > the astrological interpretation of dreams.
> > Now it's got me curious.
> > 
> > For example, the other night I had a smokin' 
> > hot dream in which Anne Heche and I got naked
> > and got it on. And I know that it was really
> > her because I've seen those breasts in quite
> > a few films now. 
> > 
> > So, Jyotish-wise, does this make me a lesbian?
> 
> 
> No.  It means that you were more likely born under the sign of 
> Aquarius, per jyotish rules.  

Bzzt. Wrong.

> Why?  Because Mars and Venus presently 
> are transiting Libra, the 9th house from Aquarius. In jyotish, the 
> conjunction of Mars and Venus signifies torrid love or sexual 
> affairs.  Since Venus is in its own house of Libra, it is expected 
> that the woman in your dream would be beautiful and would be 
> similar to an actress like Ann Heche.

And all of this based on a guess of "what's my sign"
that is completely wrong. 

You sure know how to make a case for the validity
of Jyotish, John.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Lou Valentino - Full Moon Messages ...as of today.

[John]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Tom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I particularly enjoyed this part of the dialog:
> > > > 
> > > > Pleiadian’s: You can’t get the new girl you met off of 
your 
> > > > mind can you?
> > > > 
> > > > Lou: No. I hope she wants to date me. 
> > > > 
> > > > Pleiadian’s: We will try to work this out. It looks very 
> > > > favorable. Yes……..Lou she is a very bright light and has 
been 
> > > > thinking of you. Mother is helping with this connection. Get 
your 
> > > > tooth pulled. It’s blocking your connection with life.
> > > > 
> > > > So, if any of you reading this are having romantic problems, 
> > > > there’s your solution. Have a tooth pulled!
> > > 
> > > I had a lucid dream of a beautiful young woman early this 
morning.  
> > > She was strawberry blond.  At first, I was wondering if she was 
a 
> > > devata who visited me.  Anyway, she said her name was Valenta 
and 
> > > her father was a policeman.
> > > 
> > > So, I checked the planetary transit as of now. It turns out 
that 
> > > the Moon (a female planet) is transiting Pisces, my 9th house, 
> > > representing the house of dreams.  The Sun (yellow) and Mercury 
> > > (young) are in Virgo, just opposite of Pisces.  Thus, the woman 
in 
> > > the dream was young and blond.
> > > 
> > > There you it--the mystery revealed--based on the transits of 
> > > planets.  If any of you had a similar dream this morning, more 
> > > likely your ascendant is Cancer (by jyotish calculation), the 
> > > same as mine.
> > 
> > 
> > Just when I thought that Lou had "Loon Of 
> > The Week" completely sewn up, I read this.
> >
> 
> I hope John doesn't flip when he sees a photo of
> Valenta dancing with Hef at the Playboy mansion.
> 
> His transits might never be the same when that 
> lucid angel in the centerfold is soiled.  ;-)
> 
> Oh well, fifty grand for a yagya oughta fix it 
> right up.

In this particular case, it is not likely.  The Moon is purnima or 
full and is not afflicted by any malefic planet.  So, Valenta was a 
devata as the dream portrayed.  Nonetheless, according to the vedic 
literature, devatas are not immune to sexual desires.

As far as Lou's experiences are concerned, it appears that his 9th 
house is very strong which accounts for his visions of the 
Pleidians.  Aside from being the field of dreams, the 9th house also 
represents samadhi or visions, even while on the waking state of 
consciousness.




>

[FairfieldLife] Re: URGENT MESSAGE FROM RAJA HAGELIN

[Hugo]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter  
> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- On Mon, 10/13/08, Vaj  wrote:
> > From: Vaj 
> > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: URGENT MESSAGE FROM RAJA HAGELIN
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Monday, October 13, 2008, 7:01 PM
> 

> > Creation science is dogma that uses pseudo-scientific sounding 
> clap-trap to validate itself. Absurd.
> >
> I am not disagreeing with you, except in the value we each place 
> in "creating a pseudoscience which could be used as a front for 
> selling his various services and appealing to western geeks, the 
> buyers." the Maharishi always made his use of science clear; as a 
> means to an end. Everything, including you and me, was to him a 
> means to an end. you may call it exploitation or liberation, 
> depending on your point of view.

What is the value you place on truth? Surely this should be the 
deciding factor. That Marshy would say anything to make money is 
obvious but Hagelin still claims to be a scientist, and even one
who claims to have "finished Einsteins work." This is bullshit
of the very highest order. He should publish his evidence or
shut his mouth.

The fact is he is a true believer in a religious group who
have made a good living claiming that large groups of their
experts will create heaven on earth, which sounds like a good
thing right? Unfortunately, once you have these groups you
have to interpret everything that happens globally in a positive 
fashion or admit it doesn't work. To do that would be the end
of the TMO so they keep on at it, hence this dreadful letter.

I mean, he calls this a phase transition, obviously implying
that the credit crunch is the result of increased "coherence"
also implying that it will pass and we will enter a new age
of prosperity. Is that going to happen? Is nationalising
banks at massive expense to the taxpayer going to improve
the lot of the average citizen? No, we'll be paying for it
with higher taxes, reduced services and higher unemployment 
for the rest of our lives.

The IA course has been going for years, surely "nature" 
would have come up with something a bit more pleasant for us.
Time to face it, it don't work. The theory of a pundit inspired
Heaven on Earth has NOT been demonstrated.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Misogyny offensive, or is it just more fun than Racism?

[raunchydog]

If being precise is important to you, then you can add yourself to
that happy trio.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:
> >
> > Barry, You really need to get back on your meds. The 
> > hysterical tone of this post only reinforces every thing 
> > I've already said about you. Mean spirited and snide come 
> > to mind as well. Claim all the vile words you want, word 
> > expert that you are. Own them. Eat them. And be known
> > by them.
> 
> I am happy to be known by my words. 
> 
> If I remember correctly, I have used the word 
> "cunt" to refer to only three posters on this
> forum -- you, Judy, and Shemp.
> 
> I thought the word was accurate when I used it,
> and I think the word is accurate now. That's
> not hysteria; that's precision in language.
> 
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm going to reply to this one, because words
> > > and the use of them is not only my business, 
> > > they are one of my greatest sources of pleasure.
> > > 
> > > Raunchydog is going ballistic here because I
> > > used a word to describe her. I stand by that 
> > > word 100%.
> > > 
> > > Raunchydog is AFRAID of certain words. Recently
> > > she tried to make Dr. Pete feel bad because he
> > > actually used the word she had been pussyfooting
> > > around with her claims of "playing the race card."
> > > She carefully avoided using the actual term, nigger,
> > > but the actual term makes the issue SO much more
> > > clear. The issue is that there are a HUGE number
> > > of people in the United States who will never vote
> > > for Barack Obama because he is black, a nigger.
> > > Dr. Pete was unafraid to use the real word, and
> > > as a result cut to the chase of the discussion.
> > > 
> > > Me, I used another word recently, to describe two
> > > people on this forum for whom it fits perfectly.
> > > That word is "cunt." It is NOT a word -- in my
> > > experience -- that is limited to gender. I have
> > > heard it applied to men and women equally for
> > > decades. And the interesting thing is, whether 
> > > they like the word or not, EVERYONE here
> > > knows *immediately* what is being described when
> > > the word is used. Calling someone a "cunt" means
> > > that they are mean, manipulative, and dishonest,
> > > strident and angry and abrasive, and that they 
> > > will stop at nothing to get what they want and 
> > > to make others do what they want.
> > > 
> > > Sarah Palin is very much a cunt -- her whole 
> > > history in Alaska is the story of an out-of-control 
> > > housewife abusing power to "settle personal scores" 
> > > the moment she got any semblance of power. Sarah 
> > > Palin has been shown to systematically lie, exag-
> > > gerate, and use any dirty trick she possibly can 
> > > to achieve her ends. Calling her a cunt isn't a
> > > reference to her gender, but her BEHAVIOR. Given
> > > those same behaviors, John McCain is a cunt. So is
> > > Dick Cheney. 
> > > 
> > > And so, dear Raunchydog, are you. 
> > > 
> > > You would be a cunt if you had a big dick and a 
> > > pair of balls. You would be a cunt if you were as
> > > male as you may secretly long to be. It's about
> > > how you ACT, not your anatomy.
> > > 
> > > And I, for one, will neither apologize for nor
> > > feel bad about using the proper term FOR that
> > > behavior. 
> > > 
> > > As for my tendency to enjoy "pushing your buttons,"
> > > I should remind you that YOU are the person who
> > > announced that as your primary and ONLY intention
> > > for being on this forum. You rolled into town with
> > > a big chip on your shoulder and a big load of crap
> > > in your pants and in your posts, and have done 
> > > NOTHING since you've been here *except* try to push
> > > the buttons of people you call "Obamabots," simply
> > > because we think he's a better candidate than that
> > > other person who is now history and no longer worth
> > > discussing, much less thinking about. 
> > > 
> > > And you have consistently been EXACTLY the definition
> > > of a cunt on this forum since your arrival, and I
> > > don't think that there is even ONE person on the 
> > > forum who would disagree with me about this. 
> > > 
> > > There are a lot of real women on this forum, and I
> > > would never use the term "cunt" to describe them. Sal.
> > > Ruth. Wayback. Others. I may agree with them or dis-
> > > agree with them, but they are intelligent and well-
> > > spoken and their intention is to have fun here with
> > > some people they enjoy being around. YOUR intention
> > > is to try to slam the other people here as often as
> > > possible for not agreeing with your bent notions
> > > of politics. 
> > > 
> > > Those women are women. You're just a cunt. End of
> > > story.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" 
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Barry, This is not fun to do, but you, m

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Misogyny offensive, or is it just more fun than Racism?

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Barry, You really need to get back on your meds. The 
> hysterical tone of this post only reinforces every thing 
> I've already said about you. Mean spirited and snide come 
> to mind as well. Claim all the vile words you want, word 
> expert that you are. Own them. Eat them. And be known
> by them.

I am happy to be known by my words. 

If I remember correctly, I have used the word 
"cunt" to refer to only three posters on this
forum -- you, Judy, and Shemp.

I thought the word was accurate when I used it,
and I think the word is accurate now. That's
not hysteria; that's precision in language.


> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> >
> > I'm going to reply to this one, because words
> > and the use of them is not only my business, 
> > they are one of my greatest sources of pleasure.
> > 
> > Raunchydog is going ballistic here because I
> > used a word to describe her. I stand by that 
> > word 100%.
> > 
> > Raunchydog is AFRAID of certain words. Recently
> > she tried to make Dr. Pete feel bad because he
> > actually used the word she had been pussyfooting
> > around with her claims of "playing the race card."
> > She carefully avoided using the actual term, nigger,
> > but the actual term makes the issue SO much more
> > clear. The issue is that there are a HUGE number
> > of people in the United States who will never vote
> > for Barack Obama because he is black, a nigger.
> > Dr. Pete was unafraid to use the real word, and
> > as a result cut to the chase of the discussion.
> > 
> > Me, I used another word recently, to describe two
> > people on this forum for whom it fits perfectly.
> > That word is "cunt." It is NOT a word -- in my
> > experience -- that is limited to gender. I have
> > heard it applied to men and women equally for
> > decades. And the interesting thing is, whether 
> > they like the word or not, EVERYONE here
> > knows *immediately* what is being described when
> > the word is used. Calling someone a "cunt" means
> > that they are mean, manipulative, and dishonest,
> > strident and angry and abrasive, and that they 
> > will stop at nothing to get what they want and 
> > to make others do what they want.
> > 
> > Sarah Palin is very much a cunt -- her whole 
> > history in Alaska is the story of an out-of-control 
> > housewife abusing power to "settle personal scores" 
> > the moment she got any semblance of power. Sarah 
> > Palin has been shown to systematically lie, exag-
> > gerate, and use any dirty trick she possibly can 
> > to achieve her ends. Calling her a cunt isn't a
> > reference to her gender, but her BEHAVIOR. Given
> > those same behaviors, John McCain is a cunt. So is
> > Dick Cheney. 
> > 
> > And so, dear Raunchydog, are you. 
> > 
> > You would be a cunt if you had a big dick and a 
> > pair of balls. You would be a cunt if you were as
> > male as you may secretly long to be. It's about
> > how you ACT, not your anatomy.
> > 
> > And I, for one, will neither apologize for nor
> > feel bad about using the proper term FOR that
> > behavior. 
> > 
> > As for my tendency to enjoy "pushing your buttons,"
> > I should remind you that YOU are the person who
> > announced that as your primary and ONLY intention
> > for being on this forum. You rolled into town with
> > a big chip on your shoulder and a big load of crap
> > in your pants and in your posts, and have done 
> > NOTHING since you've been here *except* try to push
> > the buttons of people you call "Obamabots," simply
> > because we think he's a better candidate than that
> > other person who is now history and no longer worth
> > discussing, much less thinking about. 
> > 
> > And you have consistently been EXACTLY the definition
> > of a cunt on this forum since your arrival, and I
> > don't think that there is even ONE person on the 
> > forum who would disagree with me about this. 
> > 
> > There are a lot of real women on this forum, and I
> > would never use the term "cunt" to describe them. Sal.
> > Ruth. Wayback. Others. I may agree with them or dis-
> > agree with them, but they are intelligent and well-
> > spoken and their intention is to have fun here with
> > some people they enjoy being around. YOUR intention
> > is to try to slam the other people here as often as
> > possible for not agreeing with your bent notions
> > of politics. 
> > 
> > Those women are women. You're just a cunt. End of
> > story.
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" 
wrote:
> > >
> > > Barry, This is not fun to do, but you, more than anyone, begs
> > > pitifully for bitch slapping. So let me break it down for you. 
> > > The one little word you think is so cute, so clever, so acceptable 
> > > in politics because it pushes buttons, says a lot about you. It's 
> > > what you live for, pushing buttons. So cute, so clever, you. Your 
> > > suspect phobia or perhaps envy of female genitalia a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Lou Valentino - Full Moon Messages ...as of today.

[John]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine 
> wrote:
> >
> > On Oct 13, 2008, at 2:52 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:
> > 
> > > > There you it--the mystery revealed--based on the transits of
> > > > planets.  If any of you had a similar dream this morning, more
> > > > likely your ascendant is Cancer (by jyotish calculation), the
> > > > same as mine.
> > >
> > > Just when I thought that Lou had "Loon Of
> > > The Week" completely sewn up, I read this.
> > 
> > What do you expect,  Barry?  It's 2 and a half weeks before
> > Halloween--the devatas are warming up!
> 
> It's just that I'd never really thought about
> the astrological interpretation of dreams.
> Now it's got me curious.
> 
> For example, the other night I had a smokin' 
> hot dream in which Anne Heche and I got naked
> and got it on. And I know that it was really
> her because I've seen those breasts in quite
> a few films now. 
> 
> So, Jyotish-wise, does this make me a lesbian?
>

No.  It means that you were more likely born under the sign of 
Aquarius, per jyotish rules.  Why?  Because Mars and Venus presently 
are transiting Libra, the 9th house from Aquarius.  In jyotish, the 
conjunction of Mars and Venus signifies torrid love or sexual 
affairs.  Since Venus is in its own house of Libra, it is expected 
that the woman in your dream would be beautiful and would be similar 
to an actress like Ann Heche.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Misogyny offensive, or is it just more fun than Racism?

[TurquoiseB]

I'm going to reply to this one, because words
and the use of them is not only my business, 
they are one of my greatest sources of pleasure.

Raunchydog is going ballistic here because I
used a word to describe her. I stand by that 
word 100%.

Raunchydog is AFRAID of certain words. Recently
she tried to make Dr. Pete feel bad because he
actually used the word she had been pussyfooting
around with her claims of "playing the race card."
She carefully avoided using the actual term, nigger,
but the actual term makes the issue SO much more
clear. The issue is that there are a HUGE number
of people in the United States who will never vote
for Barack Obama because he is black, a nigger.
Dr. Pete was unafraid to use the real word, and
as a result cut to the chase of the discussion.

Me, I used another word recently, to describe two
people on this forum for whom it fits perfectly.
That word is "cunt." It is NOT a word -- in my
experience -- that is limited to gender. I have
heard it applied to men and women equally for
decades. And the interesting thing is, whether 
they like the word or not, EVERYONE here
knows *immediately* what is being described when
the word is used. Calling someone a "cunt" means
that they are mean, manipulative, and dishonest,
strident and angry and abrasive, and that they 
will stop at nothing to get what they want and 
to make others do what they want.

Sarah Palin is very much a cunt -- her whole 
history in Alaska is the story of an out-of-control 
housewife abusing power to "settle personal scores" 
the moment she got any semblance of power. Sarah 
Palin has been shown to systematically lie, exag-
gerate, and use any dirty trick she possibly can 
to achieve her ends. Calling her a cunt isn't a
reference to her gender, but her BEHAVIOR. Given
those same behaviors, John McCain is a cunt. So is
Dick Cheney. 

And so, dear Raunchydog, are you. 

You would be a cunt if you had a big dick and a 
pair of balls. You would be a cunt if you were as
male as you may secretly long to be. It's about
how you ACT, not your anatomy.

And I, for one, will neither apologize for nor
feel bad about using the proper term FOR that
behavior. 

As for my tendency to enjoy "pushing your buttons,"
I should remind you that YOU are the person who
announced that as your primary and ONLY intention
for being on this forum. You rolled into town with
a big chip on your shoulder and a big load of crap
in your pants and in your posts, and have done 
NOTHING since you've been here *except* try to push
the buttons of people you call "Obamabots," simply
because we think he's a better candidate than that
other person who is now history and no longer worth
discussing, much less thinking about. 

And you have consistently been EXACTLY the definition
of a cunt on this forum since your arrival, and I
don't think that there is even ONE person on the 
forum who would disagree with me about this. 

There are a lot of real women on this forum, and I
would never use the term "cunt" to describe them. Sal.
Ruth. Wayback. Others. I may agree with them or dis-
agree with them, but they are intelligent and well-
spoken and their intention is to have fun here with
some people they enjoy being around. YOUR intention
is to try to slam the other people here as often as
possible for not agreeing with your bent notions
of politics. 

Those women are women. You're just a cunt. End of
story.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Barry, This is not fun to do, but you, more than anyone, begs
> pitifully for bitch slapping. So let me break it down for you. 
> The one little word you think is so cute, so clever, so acceptable 
> in politics because it pushes buttons, says a lot about you. It's 
> what you live for, pushing buttons. So cute, so clever, you. Your 
> suspect phobia or perhaps envy of female genitalia and angry, 
> dismissive attitude toward women oozes from every snarky, bitchy, 
> post you've ever written attempting to belittle me or Judy. Sadly, 
> every time you attack, often unprovoked, you have only succeeded 
> in diminishing yourself. So a bit of advice: stick to discussing 
> issues that add to the conversation and stop playing your futile, 
> self mutilating, game of gotcha, hoping someone might agree that 
> you are oh so cute, oh so clever. Your lack of self awareness is 
> only matched by your complete ignorance of the power of sexist 
> language and images to incite misogyny and violence toward women. 
> The day you can admit misogyny actually exists and is harmful to 
> women, will be your first step toward recognizing how far your 
> head has been up your ass.
> 
> Love you too,
> raunchydog
> 
>  
> > On the other hand, these dumb hicks have
> > a very accurate intuitive handle on what
> > pushes the buttons of the "You MUST take
> > me seriously...you just MUST" women they
> > are poking fun at.
> > 
> > All it takes is one word to push their
> > buttons, and you own them. T

[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama & Friends: Judge Not?

[raunchydog]

Robert, I couldn't have thought up a more whacked out response, even
in the best of my jerking your chain moments. Well, it figures, if you
think Obama is the Messiah, then it works, but not for me.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Snoopdog@> wrote:
> >
> > Obama & Friends: Judge Not?
>  (snip)
> Well, that's the same kind of thing, that happened in Master Jesus' 
> time...
> He was said to have been hanging around all 'kinds of low-life'...
> Prostitutes, his girl-friend, was said to have been a whore.
> Then, all those other 'losers, misfits and other 'scum of the earth'...
> 
> So, Barack is in good company...he accepts all to the pathless path...
> In a Unique time, and in a Unique place, we are all blessed to have a 
> leader who exemplifies the 'Principles of Growth' as Maharishi used to 
> say...
> 
> Stability, Adaptibility, Integration, Purification and Growth...
> 
> R.G.
>

[FairfieldLife] Crossing the Line?

[raunchydog]

http://tinyurl.com/52fajz Video summary: Obama supporters wearing
vulgar anti-Palin shirts is nothing new.  It's part of the attitude of
the Obama campaign since Hillary. Remember the Bros before Hoes
T-shirts? The tone set against Hillary is why McCain has received
support from many women formerly for Hillary. Obama's campaign is
about the politics of personal destruction. What your supporters do
reflects the top of ticket. If the shoe was on other foot, if
derogatory T-shirts were about racial slurs, you would see that story
everywhere. Race is treated more seriously than misogyny. McCain and
Palin are beneficiaries of this because people reject this dynamic.
The left plants people in rallies to yell derogatory things about
Obama, calling him a terrorist. It sets a horrific tone for the Obama
campaign and it is appalling.  People say it isn't Obama's fault
because he didn't make the T-shirts and can't put out every crazy fire
but he set that tone from the beginning of his run. It is not unusual.
This was written about and detailed by feminist writers throughout the
primary. Obama while not approving of this himself, he has give
permission to supporters to behave in this manner. It is a horrific
attitude reflected in his campaign.
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama & Friends: Judge Not?

[Robert]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Snoopdog@> wrote:
> >
> > Obama & Friends: Judge Not?
>  (snip)
> Well, that's the same kind of thing, that happened in Master Jesus' 
> time...
> He was said to have been hanging around all 'kinds of low-life'...
> Prostitutes, his girl-friend, was said to have been a whore.
> Then, all those other 'losers, misfits and other 'scum of the 
earth'...
> 
> So, Barack is in good company...he accepts all to the pathless 
path...
> In a Unique time, and in a Unique place, we are all blessed to have 
a 
> leader who exemplifies the 'Principles of Growth' as Maharishi used 
to 
> say...
> 
> Stability, Adaptibility, Integration, Purification and Growth...
 (snip)

Further, it was Jesus who was brought before Pilot, who washed his 
hands of him...
It was Jesus who was put before the people, for the purpose of 
releasing one of the 'prisoners of Rome'...for the Jewish Passover 
from Egypt...years, earlier...
Anyway, the raven crowd: chose Barabbas, because he wanted to 
overthrow Rome.
Jesus was considered to be impotent, in this scene...

So, it was Jesus who was also accused of hanging around terrorists in 
his time...people who wanted to overthrow Rome.
But, Jesus himself, did not recognize violence as a way...
Similar to the attitudes of Martin Luther King, Jr. and Mahatma 
Gandhi...

Therefore, in conclusion, we can remember this tactic of accusing 
someone, because of his associations, to be 'all kinds of fears of 
him
You see, Jesus was crucified, not to save us from our sins, but 
rather, because the Status quo, was scared to death, of him...
R.G.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama & Friends: Judge Not?

[Robert]

[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Obama & Friends: Judge Not?
 (snip)
Well, that's the same kind of thing, that happened in Master Jesus' 
time...
He was said to have been hanging around all 'kinds of low-life'...
Prostitutes, his girl-friend, was said to have been a whore.
Then, all those other 'losers, misfits and other 'scum of the earth'...

So, Barack is in good company...he accepts all to the pathless path...
In a Unique time, and in a Unique place, we are all blessed to have a 
leader who exemplifies the 'Principles of Growth' as Maharishi used to 
say...

Stability, Adaptibility, Integration, Purification and Growth...

R.G.

[FairfieldLife] Obama & Friends: Judge Not?

[raunchydog]

Obama & Friends: Judge Not?

Convicted felon Tony Rezko. Unrepentant terrorist Bill Ayers. And the
race-baiting Rev. Jeremiah Wright. It is hard to think of any
presidential candidate before Barack Obama sporting associations with
three more execrable characters. Yet let the McCain campaign raise the
issue, and the mainstream media begin fulminating about dirty
campaigning tinged with racism and McCarthyite guilt by association.

But associations are important. They provide a significant insight into
character. They are particularly relevant in relation to a potential
president as new, unknown, opaque and self-contained as Obama. With the
economy overshadowing everything, it may be too late politically to be
raising this issue. But that does not make it, as conventional wisdom
holds, in any way illegitimate.

McCain has only himself to blame for the bad timing. He should months
ago have begun challenging Obama's associations, before the economic
meltdown allowed the Obama campaign (and the mainstream media, which is
to say the same thing) to dismiss the charges as an act of desperation
by the trailing candidate.

McCain had his chance back in April when the North Carolina Republican
Party ran a gubernatorial campaign ad that included the linking of Obama
with Jeremiah Wright. The ad was duly denounced
  by the New York
Times and other deep thinkers as racist.

This was patently absurd. Racism is treating people differently and
invidiously on the basis of race. Had any white presidential candidate
had a close 20-year association with a white preacher overtly spreading
race hatred from the pulpit, that candidate would have been not just
universally denounced and deemed unfit for office but written out of
polite society entirely.

Nonetheless, John McCain in his infinite wisdom, and with his
overflowing sense of personal rectitude, joined
  the braying mob in denouncing that perfectly legitimate
ad, saying it had no place in any campaign. In doing so, McCain
unilaterally disarmed himself, rendering off-limits Obama's
associations, an issue that even Hillary Clinton addressed more than
once.

Obama's political career was launched with Ayers giving him a fundraiser
in his living room. If a Republican candidate had launched his political
career at the home of an abortion-clinic bomber -- even a repentant one
-- he would not have been able to run for dogcatcher in Podunk. And
Ayers shows no remorse. His only regret is that he "didn't do enough."

Why are these associations important? Do I think Obama is as corrupt as
Rezko? Or shares Wright's angry racism or Ayers's unreconstructed 1960s
radicalism?

No. But that does not make these associations irrelevant. They tell us
two important things about Obama.

First, his cynicism and ruthlessness. He found these men useful, and use
them he did. Would you attend a church whose pastor was spreading racial
animosity from the pulpit? Would you even shake hands with -- let alone
serve on two boards with -- an unrepentant terrorist, whether he bombed
U.S. military installations or abortion clinics?

Most Americans would not, on the grounds of sheer indecency. Yet Obama
did, if not out of conviction then out of expediency. He was a young man
on the make, an unknown outsider working his way into Chicago politics.
He played the game with everyone, without qualms and with obvious
success.

Obama is not the first politician to rise through a corrupt political
machine. But he is one of the rare few to then have the audacity to
present himself as a transcendent healer, hovering above and bringing
redemption to the "old politics" -- of the kind he had enthusiastically
embraced in Chicago in the service of his own ambition.

Second, and even more disturbing than the cynicism, is the window these
associations give on Obama's core beliefs. He doesn't share the Rev.
Wright's poisonous views of race nor Ayers's views, past and present,
about the evil that is American society. But Obama clearly did not
consider these views beyond the pale. For many years he swam easily and
without protest in that fetid pond.

Until now. Today, on the threshold of the presidency, Obama concedes the
odiousness of these associations, which is why he has severed them. But
for the years in which he sat in Wright's pews and shared common purpose
on boards with Ayers, Obama considered them a legitimate, indeed
unremarkable, part of social discourse.

Do you? Obama is a man of first-class intellect and first-class
temperament. But his character remains highly suspect. There is a
difference between temperament and character. Equanimity is a virtue.
Tolerance of the obscene is not.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Washington Post By Charles Krauthammer
Friday, October 10, 2008

  [http://www.moonbattery.com/HUGH-OBAMA-FRIENDS.jpg]




  

[FairfieldLife] Re: A good explanation of the afterlife.

[Stu]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Nelson
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 6:20 PM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A good explanation of the afterlife.
> 
>  
> 
> ++ Read a book by a man that was on the phone when the system was hit
> by lightening and his heart was stopped for twenty minutes which, I
> think would qualify you as being dead.
> He restarted and told of his "interim" travels and, later in his 
> career "died" from a different cause and wrote about it.
> With this and all the NDE reports, it looks like you shouldn't
> worry. Will see if I can get the book title. N.
> 
> Saved by the Light:
> 
> http://www.amazon.com/Saved-Light-Dannion-Brinkley/dp/0061008893
>
But it is common medical knowledge that the shock of a near death
trauma induces a hypnagogic state.  The mind can imagine anything, and
why not imagine a self fulfilling proficy?

And what better way to profit from this illusion than to write a book
about it?  I remember reading about one guy who claimed he had optical
migraines and hallucinations on the road to Damascus. He added few
flourishes and exaggerations that integrated Roman and Jewish
theologies, and voilá - Not only did he turn a tidy profit  but he
made a household name for himself.

I enjoy books about NDE, OBE, and UFO's as entertaining fiction.

s.
Isn't reality fantastic enough?

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: A good explanation of the afterlife.

[gullible fool]

 
The NDE reports are certainly interesting to hear about, but they do not 
necessarily pertain to a karmic being who has "roasted the seeds".  
 
We can always, hope, though. :) Today, I was thinking about the last verse in 
Chapter 6 of the Gita: 
 
"And of all yogis, I hold him most fully united who worships Me with faith, his 
inmost Self absorbed in Me."
 
It had me questioning if there is something unique about each individual 
yogi's "inmost Self", that maybe the inmost Self is not something that is 
beyond individuality, and that maybe that uniqueness does not end with the 
yogi's dropping of the body, but stays around as long as there is a "Me" (i.e. 
the personal God) around.
 
"Love will swallow you, eat you up completely, until there is no `you,' only 
love." 
 
- Amma  

--- On Mon, 10/13/08, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

From: Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: A good explanation of the afterlife.
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, October 13, 2008, 10:05 PM










From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
Nelson
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 6:20 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A good explanation of the afterlife.
 



++ Read a book by a man that was on the phone when the system was hit
by lightening and his heart was stopped for twenty minutes which, I
think would qualify you as being dead.
He restarted and told of his "interim" travels and, later in his 
career "died" from a different cause and wrote about it.
With this and all the NDE reports, it looks like you shouldn't
worry. Will see if I can get the book title. N.
Saved by the Light:
http://www.amazon.com/Saved-Light-Dannion-Brinkley/dp/0061008893 


  

Re: [FairfieldLife] If Sal were a character in Dilbert...

[gullible fool]

I was just kidding, gull, just (mis)quoting St. Richard the Maligned...
 
I am behind on my post reading and missed that one. I did manage to make it 
through the entire Raja John thread this afternoon, but that was, as I like to 
say, "rich".
 
"Love will swallow you, eat you up completely, until there is no `you,' only 
love." 
 
- Amma  

--- On Mon, 10/13/08, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

From: Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] If Sal were a character in Dilbert...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, October 13, 2008, 9:49 PM




On Oct 13, 2008, at 8:44 PM, gullible fool wrote:







 
You're not planning on leaving us??

I was just kidding, gull, just (mis)quoting St. Richard the Maligned...


This place is great!  I could never leave!  And people 
like you, Rick and a few others really make it special...


Sal

 


  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: URGENT MESSAGE FROM RAJA HAGELIN

[Peter]

--- On Mon, 10/13/08, enlightened_dawn11 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: enlightened_dawn11 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: URGENT MESSAGE FROM RAJA HAGELIN
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, October 13, 2008, 10:59 PM
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- On Mon, 10/13/08, enlightened_dawn11 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > > From: enlightened_dawn11
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: URGENT MESSAGE FROM
> RAJA HAGELIN
> > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Monday, October 13, 2008, 6:47 PM
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > On Oct 13, 2008, at 6:26 PM, Peter wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > You know when a science is no longer a
> science
> > > and just dogma? 
> > > When  
> > > > > there is no way to disprove the theory
> which is
> > > the higher-
> > > order  
> > > > > explanation for the empirical evidence.
> Let's
> > > see, our self-
> > > chosen  
> > > > > criteria for quantifying the ME go up.
> Well,
> > > we're responsible 
> > > for  
> > > > > that. These self-same criteria go down,
> well,
> > > we're responsible 
> > > for  
> > > > > that too, but now we have a brand new
> ad hoc
> > > explanation as to 
> > > why  
> > > > > they go down: phase transition. Notice
> the a
> > > priori assumption 
> > > that  
> > > > > the ME is an absolute given and the ad
> hoc
> > > explanation is to  
> > > > > rationalize the contradictory evidence
> away.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'd love to ask John, "You
> state that
> > > the ME is a scientific 
> > > theory  
> > > > > which means it is open to
> nullification. So,
> > > John, what 
> > > empirical  
> > > > > findings would nullify the ME?"
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Very well said.
> > > >
> > > it is quite interesting that the Maharishi used
> to say
> > > "through the -
> > > window- of science, we see the dawn of the age of
> > > enlightenment". He 
> > > didn't say, "...through science, we
> see...".
> > 
> > The point here is that the TMO keeps on claiming a
> scientifically 
> provable effect called the ME. All real science claims can
> be 
> nullified if evidence does not support the hypothesis. The
> problem 
> with the ME is that absolutely nothing can occur that would
> nullify 
> it!This is not science. Stop calling it science. Its dogma,
> which is 
> fine, but stop pretending its science.
> > > 
> 
> I am not calling the ME science, whatever the TM Org may
> call it. 
> The ME as I see it is an instrument of faith; a calculation
> based on 
> the perception of the heart.

That's fine, but the TMO is consistently claiming it is the most empirically 
researched scientific discovery in the history of science and that is just 
total bullshit. 




> 
> 
> 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: URGENT MESSAGE FROM RAJA HAGELIN

[Robert]

 (SniP)
> > it was, as a greedy, corporate controlled, oppressor of the third 
world,
> > polluter of the atmosphere, killer of life in the ocean.
> >
> > Something dramatic had to happen. The ME will protect from the 
worst of
> > the upheaval.
> >
> > I never believed there could ba smooth transition. What is great 
about
> > this is that people are realising that even without the capitalist
> > system going rampant as they were used to...everything is
> > ultimately...ok.Life is good.
> >
> > OffWorld
> OTOH, we could be going into a dark world with no governments just 
> corporations running everything.  No rights just slaves to the 
> corporations.   Ala Blade Runner.
 (snip)
Well, it seems to me we've been there, done that.
Remember back to 2006, Temple blown up...total chaos...death, 
destruction...chop, chop, chop...
Baghdad, Iraq, October 10th 2006...

'Help, I need somebody, not just anybody, Help!'

'Sending out an S.O.S., sending out an s.o.s.
R.G.

[FairfieldLife] Re: URGENT MESSAGE FROM RAJA HAGELIN

[enlightened_dawn11]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> 
> 
> 
> --- On Mon, 10/13/08, enlightened_dawn11 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > From: enlightened_dawn11 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: URGENT MESSAGE FROM RAJA HAGELIN
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Monday, October 13, 2008, 6:47 PM
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > On Oct 13, 2008, at 6:26 PM, Peter wrote:
> > > 
> > > > You know when a science is no longer a science
> > and just dogma? 
> > When  
> > > > there is no way to disprove the theory which is
> > the higher-
> > order  
> > > > explanation for the empirical evidence. Let's
> > see, our self-
> > chosen  
> > > > criteria for quantifying the ME go up. Well,
> > we're responsible 
> > for  
> > > > that. These self-same criteria go down, well,
> > we're responsible 
> > for  
> > > > that too, but now we have a brand new ad hoc
> > explanation as to 
> > why  
> > > > they go down: phase transition. Notice the a
> > priori assumption 
> > that  
> > > > the ME is an absolute given and the ad hoc
> > explanation is to  
> > > > rationalize the contradictory evidence away.
> > > >
> > > > I'd love to ask John, "You state that
> > the ME is a scientific 
> > theory  
> > > > which means it is open to nullification. So,
> > John, what 
> > empirical  
> > > > findings would nullify the ME?"
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Very well said.
> > >
> > it is quite interesting that the Maharishi used to say
> > "through the -
> > window- of science, we see the dawn of the age of
> > enlightenment". He 
> > didn't say, "...through science, we see...".
> 
> The point here is that the TMO keeps on claiming a scientifically 
provable effect called the ME. All real science claims can be 
nullified if evidence does not support the hypothesis. The problem 
with the ME is that absolutely nothing can occur that would nullify 
it!This is not science. Stop calling it science. Its dogma, which is 
fine, but stop pretending its science.
> > 

I am not calling the ME science, whatever the TM Org may call it. 
The ME as I see it is an instrument of faith; a calculation based on 
the perception of the heart. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: URGENT MESSAGE FROM RAJA HAGELIN

[enlightened_dawn11]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- On Mon, 10/13/08, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> From: Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: URGENT MESSAGE FROM RAJA HAGELIN
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, October 13, 2008, 7:01 PM
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Oct 13, 2008, at 6:47 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote:
> --- [EMAIL PROTECTED], Vaj  wrote:
> 
> 
> On Oct 13, 2008, at 6:26 PM, Peter wrote:
> 
> You know when a science is no longer a science and just dogma? 
> When  
> there is no way to disprove the theory which is the higher-
> order  
> explanation for the empirical evidence. Let's see, our self-
> chosen  
> criteria for quantifying the ME go up. Well, we're responsible 
> for  
> that. These self-same criteria go down, well, we're responsible 
> for  
> that too, but now we have a brand new ad hoc explanation as to 
> why  
> they go down: phase transition. Notice the a priori assumption 
> that  
> the ME is an absolute given and the ad hoc explanation is to  
> rationalize the contradictory evidence away.
> 
> I'd love to ask John, "You state that the ME is a scientific 
> theory  
> which means it is open to nullification. So, John, what 
> empirical  
> findings would nullify the ME?"
> 
> 
> Very well said.
> 
> it is quite interesting that the Maharishi used to say "through 
the -
> window- of science, we see the dawn of the age of enlightenment". 
He 
> didn't say, "...through science, we see...".
> 
> What was disturbing to me, in years of conversation with Mahesh's 
old secretaries, (esp. one who helped put together what was to 
become known as "SCI"), was how M. said he would use science to 
forward his mission. Use science. But he clearly was not interested 
in finding the truth about TM, TMSP, etc. He was instead interested 
in creating a pseudoscience which could be used as a front for 
selling his various services and appealing to western geeks, the 
buyers.
> You're new here so you may not even be aware, much of this has 
been discussed previously here in some detail. "Vedic Science" is 
well known among Hindu scientists as a form pseudoscience and 
Hindu fundamentalism. In India, in considerable contradistinction to 
our western views, it is considered an extreme right-wing and 
fundamentalist trend (here it seems very left wing). We see 
remarkably similar parallels in the phenomenon known as "Creation 
Science" in fundamentalist Christianity.
> 
> 
> Creation science is dogma that uses pseudo-scientific sounding 
clap-trap to validate itself. Absurd.
>
I am not disagreeing with you, except in the value we each place 
in "creating a pseudoscience which could be used as a front for 
selling his various services and appealing to western geeks, the 
buyers." the Maharishi always made his use of science clear; as a 
means to an end. Everything, including you and me, was to him a 
means to an end. you may call it exploitation or liberation, 
depending on your point of view.

[FairfieldLife] Re: URGENT MESSAGE FROM RAJA HAGELIN

[enlightened_dawn11]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Oct 13, 2008, at 6:44 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote:
> 
> > I am implying that Mr. Hagelin is seeing the current events 
through
> > the lens of his world view and having it make sense that way, 
much
> > as the Lamas did- that's all.
> 
> 
> Well the prophecy you're probably referring to is from 
Padmasambhava  
> in the 8th cent. CE. It said "When the iron bird flies and horses 
run  
> on wheels the Tibetan people will be scattered like ants across 
the  
> face of the world, and the dharma will come to the land of the red-
 
> faced man."
> 
> It's interpretation among lamas is sometimes controversial, but 
here  
> they are in the land called North, Central and South America, in a 
day  
> of cars (horses on wheels) and planes (the "iron bird" that 
flies)...
>
I can think of several other interpretations for the verse you have 
quoted.

I wasn't referring to anything that specific, though there may have 
been many many things that Padmasambhava (beautiful name...) said in 
the 8th century that non believers in Buddhist teachings can claim 
are not accurate or true today. 

All in the eye of the beholder, isn't it? not a bad thing, that, 
though helpful to recognize it for what it is.

[FairfieldLife] Re: URGENT MESSAGE FROM RAJA HAGELIN

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> You know when a science is no longer a science and just dogma? When
there is no way to disprove the theory which is the higher-order
explanation for the empirical evidence. Let's see, our self-chosen
criteria for quantifying the ME go up. Well, we're responsible for that.
These self-same criteria go down, well, we're responsible for that too,
but now we have a brand new ad hoc explanation as to why they go down:
phase transition. Notice the a priori assumption that the ME is an
absolute given and the ad hoc explanation is to rationalize the
contradictory evidence away.
>
> I'd love to ask John, "You state that the ME is a scientific theory
which means it is open to nullification. So, John, what empirical
findings would nullify the ME?"
>


Very simple. Have 1,000 sidhas sit on one room and do flying at a
certain time. Have a bunch of non-meditators sit in another room and
unaware of the first. Measure  the second groups' brainwave changes and
other responses. If nothing happens you'll know. Done deal.

Travis had something similar to this published in the Interntaional
Journal of Neuroscience twice !...and you are an anti-science freak
because you want to throw this and other science out the window.

OffWorld

[FairfieldLife] Re: URGENT MESSAGE FROM RAJA HAGELIN

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> off_world_beings wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

> >  > , Vaj  wrote:
> >
> >> On Oct 13, 2008, at 1:28 PM, Dick Mays wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> The rise of coherence has fueled a long-overdue purification in
> >>> national life
> >>>
> >> Hate to say "I told you so", but "I TOLD YOU SO"!  (msg 193626)
> >>
> >> These guys are about as predictable as they come.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > On the other hand, do you think the world would be better carrying
on as
> > it was, as a greedy, corporate controlled, oppressor of the third
world,
> > polluter of the atmosphere, killer of life in the ocean.
> >
> > Something dramatic had to happen. The ME will protect from the worst
of
> > the upheaval.
> >
> > I never believed there could ba smooth transition. What is great
about
> > this is that people are realising that even without the capitalist
> > system going rampant as they were used to...everything is
> > ultimately...ok.Life is good.
> >
> > OffWorld
> OTOH, we could be going into a dark world with no governments just
> corporations running everything.  No rights just slaves to the
> corporations.  >>

The atmosphere could not sustain it.

OffWorld

[FairfieldLife] Re: URGENT MESSAGE FROM RAJA HAGELIN

[Robert]

 (snip)
A Day Late, and a Dollar Short.
You can set you clock by it.
R.G.

[FairfieldLife] Quantum Physicist Offers Solution to Global Market Meltdown

[The Secret]

http://gfcny.net/press_release/2008_10_13.html

70 Broad Street, New York, NY 10004 • 212-809-7010 • [EMAIL PROTECTED]

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE


PRESS RELEASE


BOB ROTH 202-251-7014

Quantum Physicist Offers Solution to Global Market Meltdown

Calm the acute fear and instability that grips the financial world
through collective meditation technologies

The paralyzing fear that is driving volatile global markets to
precarious lows can be effectively neutralized and stability can be
restored to the U.S. and world economies through implementation of
scientifically proven "technologies of consciousness," which address
the crisis at its source and create stability in the collective
consciousness of the world.
John Hagelin, Ph.D.

John Hagelin, Ph.D.

This is the timely message from John Hagelin, Ph.D., world-renowned
quantum physicist and co-developer of a highly successful unified
field theory—or "Theory of Everything"—who serves as executive
director of the Global Financial Capital of New York at 70 Broad
Street, one block from the New York Stock Exchange.

Dr. Hagelin said large groups of experts practicing these
technologies, which include the advanced Transcendental Meditation
techniques of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, can be mobilized in New York City
and in other global financial centers to defuse stress and fear and
create coherent collective consciousness—the basis of a balanced,
strong, national and world economy.

Dr. Hagelin said scores of studies have been published in leading
scientific journals on the effects of group meditation, which show
improved economic stability along with other positive effects in
society, including reduced crime and violence.

"Meditation is mainstream in America. It is practiced in the
boardrooms in some of the nation's largest companies and financial
institutions," Dr. Hagelin said. "And the National Institutes of
Health have awarded tens of millions of dollars to document the
benefits of the Transcendental Meditation program for reducing stress
and improving brain functioning and cardiovascular health. Now
research shows its collective benefits as well."

Citing principles from "control systems theory," Dr. Hagelin explained
why financial markets are inherently unstable. "A drop in prices
triggers fear, which drives prices lower still, which further
amplifies the fear. We must break that vicious cycle. According to
research, collective meditation eliminates fear in collective
consciousness—and brings stability to the markets."

Dr. Hagelin said that a group of nearly 2,000 advanced experts is now
in place at Maharishi University of Management in Fairfield, Iowa. He
said the influence of coherence generated by this group is helping to
calm the nation in the midst of the global crisis, but a larger, more
powerful group of 8,000 experts (the square root of one percent of the
world's population) is needed to neutralize worldwide fears and
re-establish confidence in the global markets.

The cost to establish this group on a permanent basis, Dr. Hagelin
said, would be negligible compared to what has been lost in a single
hour during the current financial crisis.

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: A good explanation of the afterlife.

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Nelson
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 6:20 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A good explanation of the afterlife.

 

++ Read a book by a man that was on the phone when the system was hit
by lightening and his heart was stopped for twenty minutes which, I
think would qualify you as being dead.
He restarted and told of his "interim" travels and, later in his 
career "died" from a different cause and wrote about it.
With this and all the NDE reports, it looks like you shouldn't
worry. Will see if I can get the book title. N.

Saved by the Light:

http://www.amazon.com/Saved-Light-Dannion-Brinkley/dp/0061008893

Re: [FairfieldLife] If Sal were a character in Dilbert...

[Sal Sunshine]

On Oct 13, 2008, at 8:44 PM, gullible fool wrote:


You're not planning on leaving us??


I was just kidding, gull, just (mis)quoting St. Richard the Maligned...

This place is great!  I could never leave!  And people
like you, Rick and a few others really make it special...

Sal

Re: [FairfieldLife] If Sal were a character in Dilbert...

[gullible fool]

 
You're not planning on leaving us??
  
"Love will swallow you, eat you up completely, until there is no `you,' only 
love." 
 
- Amma  

--- On Mon, 10/13/08, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

From: Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] If Sal were a character in Dilbert...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, October 13, 2008, 8:16 PM




On Oct 13, 2008, at 6:48 PM, gullible fool wrote:







 
http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2008-10-09/

Hey, I was just talking about solar energy with someone today.


Get your kicks in now, gull, cause after the election
you won't have Sal to kick around anymore...


Sal

 


  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reverse Bradley effect

[bob_brigante]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> 
> Polls may underestimate Obama's support by 3 to 4 percent, 
researchers say
> 
> ===

Well, one thing for sure, race is an important factor in this 
election -- "The level of inaccuracy of the polls in the primaries was
 unprecedented."
 And the fact that Obama was running against a woman in the primaries 
is another complicating factor. I'm hoping that Ob will pull it out,
but there are a lot of crackers in the box.





 
> Named for Tom Bradley, an African-American 
> who lost the 1982 California governor's race 
> despite being ahead in voter polls, the 
> Bradley effect refers to an alleged tendency 
> on the part of some voters to tell pollsters 
> that they are undecided or likely to vote for 
> a black candidate, and yet, on election day, 
> vote for his/her white opponent.
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradley_effect
> ===
> 
> (PhysOrg.com - October 10, 2008) -- Current polls of the 
presidential
> election may be underestimating Barack Obama's support by 3 to 4
> percent nationally and possibly larger margins in the Southeast and
> some strongly Republican states, according to University of 
Washington
> researchers.
> 
> Psychologist Anthony Greenwald and political scientist Bethany
> Albertson, who analyzed data from the 32 states holding Democratic
> primaries, said race played an unexpectedly powerful role in
> distorting pre-election poll findings and the same scenario could 
play
> out in the election between Obama and John McCain.
> 
> "The Clinton-Obama raced dragged on so long, but it generated a lot 
of
> data. It is the only existing basis on which to predict how a black
> candidate will do in a national general election," said Greenwald, 
who
> pioneered studies how people's unconscious bias affects their
> behavior. "The level of inaccuracy of the polls in the primaries was
> unprecedented."
> 
> Prior to the start of the primary season, the UW researchers thought
> the so-called Bradley effect would play a key role in the 2008
> election. Previously, this effect showed exaggerated pre-election 
poll
> support for black candidates in some prominent elections in the 
1980s
> and 1990s.
> 
> The Bradley effect is named for former Los Angeles mayor Tom 
Bradley,
> a black, who lost a close 1982 gubernatorial election in California
> after holding a solid lead in the polls. 
> 
> As the 2008 primaries played out, Greenwald and Albertson found that
> the Bradley effect only showed up in three states -- California, New
> Hampshire and Rhode Island.
> 
> However, they found a reverse Bradley effect in 12 primary states. 
In
> these states they found actual support for Obama exceeded pre-
election
> polls by totals of 7 percent or more, well beyond the polls' margins
> of error. These errors ranged up to 18 percent in Georgia.
> 
> "The Bradley effect has mutated. We are seeing it in several states,
> but the reverse effect is much stronger," said Greenwald. "We didn't
> have a chance to look at these effects before on a national level. 
> 
> The prolonged Democratic primary process this year gave us a chance 
to
> look for this effect in 32 primaries in which the same two 
candidates
> faced each other."
> 
> Albertson and Greenwald believe the errors in the polls are being
> driven by social pressures that can operate when voters are 
contacted
> by telephone prior to an election. They said that polls from states 
in
> the Southeast predicted a large black vote for Obama and a much 
weaker
> white vote. They found that, in a few Southeast states, exit polls
> showed that both whites and blacks gave more votes to Obama than the
> pre-election polls had predicted.
> 
> "Blacks understated their support for Obama and, even more 
surprising,
> whites did too. There also is some indication that this happened in
> such Republican states as Montana, South Dakota, Oklahoma, Missouri
> and Indiana," Greenwald said.
> 
> "If you call people on the phone today and ask who they will vote 
for,
> some will give responses influenced by what may be understood,
> locally, as the more desirable response. It is easy to suppose that
> these people are lying to pollsters. I don't believe that. What I
> think is they may be undecided and experiencing social pressure 
which
> could increase their likelihood of naming the white candidate if 
their
> region or state has a history of white dominance. They also might 
give
> the name of the Republican if the state is strongly Republican.
> 
> A good analogy of a desirable response and social pressure, he said,
> would be if you lived in Detroit and you get a call asking if you 
will
> participate in an anonymous survey about automobiles.
> 
> "You agree and are asked if you prefer American or foreign cars. 
Even
> if you own a Japanese car, you might experience some pressure to 
give
> an answer that might be more appreciated by the caller -- that you
> prefer American cars,"

[FairfieldLife] Google earth adds ocean view

[bob_brigante]

http://tinyurl.com/4lg3n2

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Misogyny offensive, or is it just more fun than Racism?

[raunchydog]

Barry, This is not fun to do, but you, more than anyone, begs
pitifully for bitch slapping. So let me break it down for you. The one
little word you think is so cute, so clever, so acceptable in politics
because it pushes buttons, says a lot about you. It's what you live
for, pushing buttons. So cute, so clever, you. Your suspect phobia or
perhaps envy of female genitalia and angry, dismissive attitude toward
women oozes from every snarky, bitchy, post you've ever written
attempting to belittle me or Judy. Sadly, every time you attack, often
unprovoked, you have only succeeded in diminishing yourself. So a bit
of advice: stick to discussing issues that add to the conversation and
stop playing your futile, self mutilating, game of gotcha, hoping
someone might agree that you are oh so cute, oh so clever. Your lack
of self awareness is only matched by your complete ignorance of the
power of sexist language and images to incite misogyny and violence
toward women. The day you can admit misogyny actually exists and is
harmful to women, will be your first step toward recognizing how far
your head has been up your ass.

Love you too,
raunchydog

 
> On the other hand, these dumb hicks have
> a very accurate intuitive handle on what
> pushes the buttons of the "You MUST take
> me seriously...you just MUST" women they
> are poking fun at.
> 
> All it takes is one word to push their
> buttons, and you own them. They lose all
> semblance of rationality, and overreact
> *exactly* the way you want them to. 
> 
> In other words, instead of spending lots
> of words describing how reactive and insane
> they are, use one word, and allow them to
> demonstrate it for you. Do less, accom-
> plish more.
> 
> It may not be nice, but hey!...this is
> politics.  :-)
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: URGENT MESSAGE FROM RAJA HAGELIN

[Jonathan Chadwick]

--- On Mon, 10/13/08, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

From: Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: URGENT MESSAGE FROM RAJA HAGELIN
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, October 13, 2008, 7:01 PM






Lrt's try and be charitable about all this:
Step # 1 Theory of ME: IAA enhances national coherence.
#2 Hypothesis: DJIA is a signpost indicator of #1.
#3 Prediction: Stocks won't grow straight to the sky, Hagelin warned. There 
will be burps and corrections and mini-panics. But the swings won't be so 
extreme.
#4 Verification:  Apparently there has been no mention of a "purification" 
period prior to 10/08.
Conclusion: Things not looking so good for Theory of ME
Des Moines Register/October 24, 2006 
By Marc Hansen 
If you follow the news, you might have noticed...
...[T]he stock market has moved into record territory, with the Dow Jones 
industrial average closing at 12,116.91, its best historical close. 
A coincidence? No, the Maharishi Effect. 
It's the 1,200 advanced Transcendental meditators who are camping out for six 
hours a day in Fairfield and elsewhere, "creating coherence in national 
consciousness" and changing the national mood. 
Granted, it sounds flaky. One physicist called similar research on falling 
crime rates in Washington, D.C., "voodoo science." 
But since the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi himself predicted this would happen back in 
July, who are we to argue? 
It's important to challenge mainstream thinking. You don't want to be the guy 
who told Guglielmo Marconi there was no future in wireless communications. 
The man in charge of the "Invincible America Course" is John Hagelin, a quantum 
physicist who graduated summa cum laude from Dartmouth, earned a doctorate from 
Harvard and was a researcher at Stanford before moving to Fairfield and 
becoming the director of the Institute of Science, Technology and Public Policy 
at the Maharishi University of Management. 
He also ran for president three times as a third-party candidate and collected 
lots of votes in Jefferson County. 
He isn't running this time, mostly because he's busy making sure the United 
States is surrounded with a protective shield of collective consciousness. 
This isn't something a person does in a regular 40-hour work week, so it took a 
while to catch up with him. When I did, he was in the Netherlands on a European 
speaking tour. 
...Get a large group of hard-core meditators together for six hours at a time, 
things happen. The mind settles down, awareness expands ... and expands ... 
until it permeates the collective consciousness. The stress level goes down... 
The good feelings spill over into the economy. Consumer confidence picks up, 
which leads to more optimism, a better economy and higher stock prices. 
"The stock market," Hagelin said, "was a side effect, an expression of the 
collective mood." 
Stocks up, gas prices down. Consumer confidence rises, unemployment drops. 
Stocks won't grow straight to the sky, Hagelin warned. There will be burps and 
corrections and mini-panics. But the swings won't be so extreme. 
I asked Hagelin if he made a killing with this really inside information. 
No. 
"If we were smart," he said with a laugh, "we would have scraped together some 
money and invested it. My limited resources were invested already outside the 
market."
 ...
On Oct 13, 2008, at 6:26 PM, Peter wrote:



You know when a science is no longer a science and just dogma? When there is no 
way to disprove the theory which is the higher-order explanation for the 
empirical evidence. Let's see, our self-chosen criteria for quantifying the ME 
go up. Well, we're responsible for that. These self-same criteria go down, 
well, we're responsible for that too, but now we have a brand new ad hoc 
explanation as to why they go down: phase transition. Notice the a priori 
assumption that the ME is an absolute given and the ad hoc explanation is 
to rationalize the contradictory evidence away.





I'd love to ask John, "You state that the ME is a scientific theory which means 
it is open to nullification. So, John, what empirical findings would nullify 
the ME?"

What was disturbing to me, in years of conversation with Mahesh's 
old secretaries, (esp. one who helped put together what was to become known as 
"SCI"), was how M. said he would use science to forward his mission. 
Use science. But he clearly was not interested in finding the truth about TM, 
TMSP, etc. He was instead interested in creating a pseudoscience which could be 
used as a front for selling his various services and appealing to western 
geeks, the buyers.


You're new here so you may not even be aware, much of this has been discussed 
previously here in some detail. "Vedic Science" is well known among Hindu 
scientists as a form pseudoscience and Hindu fundamentalism. In India, in 
considerable contradistinction to our western views, it is considered an 
extreme right-wing and fundamentalist trend (here it seems very left wing). W

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: URGENT MESSAGE FROM RAJA HAGELIN

[Vaj]

On Oct 13, 2008, at 7:39 PM, Peter wrote:


>> it is quite interesting that the Maharishi used to say
>> "through the -
>> window- of science, we see the dawn of the age of
>> enlightenment". He
>> didn't say, "...through science, we see...".
>
> The point here is that the TMO keeps on claiming a scientifically  
> provable effect called the ME. All real science claims can be  
> nullified if evidence does not support the hypothesis. The problem  
> with the ME is that absolutely nothing can occur that would nullify  
> it!This is not science. Stop calling it science. Its dogma, which is  
> fine, but stop pretending its science.

This is so important in science. There must not be merely a 'null  
hypothesis' but instead a rigorously sought out null hypothesis. The  
benefit to a true scientist is paramount: if you really, really try to  
falsify (prove wrong) your idea and it survives that rigorous  
onslaught, it may actually contain important relative truth, samvritti.

If this is absent, all sorts of aberrations and manipulations are  
possible.

Mahesh used to decry such proofs as "non-Vedic"

Indeed.

Re: [FairfieldLife] If Sal were a character in Dilbert...

[Sal Sunshine]

On Oct 13, 2008, at 6:48 PM, gullible fool wrote:


http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2008-10-09/


Hey, I was just talking about solar energy with someone today.

Get your kicks in now, gull, cause after the election
you won't have Sal to kick around anymore...

Sal

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Bleeding, was: Lou Valentino - Full Moon Messages from the Pleiadinan's/Full Moon in Aries

[Vaj]

On Oct 13, 2008, at 7:42 PM, Peter wrote:




--- On Mon, 10/13/08, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Bleeding, was: Lou Valentino - Full Moon  
Messages from the Pleiadinan's/Full Moon in Aries

To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, October 13, 2008, 6:38 PM

> I was joking about Ayurvedic use of leeches over the spine.
>
> ...and I think we found an opening act for Nabby...
>

Actually, given the effects "bleeding" small amounts of blood can  
have on the
body, I wouldn't be surprised if the tradition has some "vein" of  
validity

running through it...

As I understand it, Ayurveda holds that when you bleed, the body  
shunts the impure blood to site of the wound, to get rid of that  
first. I’ve had vaidyas recommend donating blood regularly for that  
reason.




I would love to here the explanation of exactly how the body does  
this!





I'd look at it this way. IIRC, the leeches use a form of saliva to  
"connect" to the circulatory system through the skin. The saliva acts  
as both a seal and it also sends a chemical signal to the human body  
saying "something's happening here", so the body initiates an  
automatic response, a minor inflammatory response of sorts. This  
response increases blood flow to the "wound" site. It sends certain  
cells, which sacrifice their little lives in response (and their dead  
cell bodies are then removed from the body through the normal "dead  
cell" excretion pathways).


The nice thing about the leeches is it's a symbiotic relationship.  
Instead of actually actually infecting the body, both entities  
benefit, so it's a kind of inter-species sharing and mutual benefit.  
And of course you automatically get rid of some good and some "bad"  
cells. At the same time you train your body to be aware of certain  
things. It's like educating your immune system.


It can have an additional benefit if leeches are placed at certain  
places on the skin. This brings up the whole separate experience of a  
body-behind-the-physical body. So we have mindfulness possible at all  
these places.


In pitta type people (type-A's) it really helps keep them in balance,  
as it reduces red blood cells in particular which too many of,  
increase type-A-ness.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: URGENT MESSAGE FROM RAJA HAGELIN

[Peter]

--- On Mon, 10/13/08, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: URGENT MESSAGE FROM RAJA HAGELIN
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, October 13, 2008, 7:01 PM








On Oct 13, 2008, at 6:47 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote:
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On Oct 13, 2008, at 6:26 PM, Peter wrote:

You know when a science is no longer a science and just dogma? 
When  
there is no way to disprove the theory which is the higher-
order  
explanation for the empirical evidence. Let's see, our self-
chosen  
criteria for quantifying the ME go up. Well, we're responsible 
for  
that. These self-same criteria go down, well, we're responsible 
for  
that too, but now we have a brand new ad hoc explanation as to 
why  
they go down: phase transition. Notice the a priori assumption 
that  
the ME is an absolute given and the ad hoc explanation is to  
rationalize the contradictory evidence away.

I'd love to ask John, "You state that the ME is a scientific 
theory  
which means it is open to nullification. So, John, what 
empirical  
findings would nullify the ME?"


Very well said.

it is quite interesting that the Maharishi used to say "through the -
window- of science, we see the dawn of the age of enlightenment". He 
didn't say, "...through science, we see...".

What was disturbing to me, in years of conversation with Mahesh's 
old secretaries, (esp. one who helped put together what was to become known as 
"SCI"), was how M. said he would use science to forward his mission. 
Use science. But he clearly was not interested in finding the truth about TM, 
TMSP, etc. He was instead interested in creating a pseudoscience which could be 
used as a front for selling his various services and appealing to western 
geeks, the buyers.
You're new here so you may not even be aware, much of this has been discussed 
previously here in some detail. "Vedic Science" is well known among Hindu 
scientists as a form pseudoscience and Hindu fundamentalism. In India, in 
considerable contradistinction to our western views, it is considered an 
extreme right-wing and fundamentalist trend (here it seems very left wing). We 
see remarkably similar parallels in the phenomenon known as "Creation Science" 
in fundamentalist Christianity.


Creation science is dogma that uses pseudo-scientific sounding clap-trap to 
validate itself. Absurd.









  

[FairfieldLife] If Sal were a character in Dilbert...

[gullible fool]

 
http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2008-10-09/
 
"Love will swallow you, eat you up completely, until there is no `you,' only 
love." 
 
- Amma  


  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Bleeding, was: Lou Valentino - Full Moon Messages from the Pleiadinan's/Full Moon in Aries

[Peter]

--- On Mon, 10/13/08, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Bleeding, was: Lou Valentino - Full Moon Messages from 
the Pleiadinan's/Full Moon in Aries
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, October 13, 2008, 6:38 PM








 
 












> I was joking about Ayurvedic use of
leeches over the spine.

> 

> ...and I think we found an opening act for Nabby...

>



Actually, given the effects "bleeding" small amounts of blood can
have on the 

body, I wouldn't be surprised if the tradition has some "vein" of
validity

running through it... 







As I understand it, Ayurveda holds that when you bleed, the body
shunts the impure blood to site of the wound, to get rid of that first. I’ve
had vaidyas recommend donating blood regularly for that reason.
I would love to here the explanation of exactly how the body does this!
 





 




  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: URGENT MESSAGE FROM RAJA HAGELIN

[Peter]

--- On Mon, 10/13/08, enlightened_dawn11 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: enlightened_dawn11 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: URGENT MESSAGE FROM RAJA HAGELIN
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, October 13, 2008, 6:47 PM
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > On Oct 13, 2008, at 6:26 PM, Peter wrote:
> > 
> > > You know when a science is no longer a science
> and just dogma? 
> When  
> > > there is no way to disprove the theory which is
> the higher-
> order  
> > > explanation for the empirical evidence. Let's
> see, our self-
> chosen  
> > > criteria for quantifying the ME go up. Well,
> we're responsible 
> for  
> > > that. These self-same criteria go down, well,
> we're responsible 
> for  
> > > that too, but now we have a brand new ad hoc
> explanation as to 
> why  
> > > they go down: phase transition. Notice the a
> priori assumption 
> that  
> > > the ME is an absolute given and the ad hoc
> explanation is to  
> > > rationalize the contradictory evidence away.
> > >
> > > I'd love to ask John, "You state that
> the ME is a scientific 
> theory  
> > > which means it is open to nullification. So,
> John, what 
> empirical  
> > > findings would nullify the ME?"
> > 
> > 
> > Very well said.
> >
> it is quite interesting that the Maharishi used to say
> "through the -
> window- of science, we see the dawn of the age of
> enlightenment". He 
> didn't say, "...through science, we see...".

The point here is that the TMO keeps on claiming a scientifically provable 
effect called the ME. All real science claims can be nullified if evidence does 
not support the hypothesis. The problem with the ME is that absolutely nothing 
can occur that would nullify it!This is not science. Stop calling it science. 
Its dogma, which is fine, but stop pretending its science.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> To subscribe, send a message to:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> Or go to: 
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> and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> 

  

[FairfieldLife] Re: A good explanation of the afterlife.

[Nelson]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Stu"  wrote:
> >
> -snip- 
> > I have heard these stories to.  Spent much of my years going to
> > lectures, reading, and discussing the charms of the Eastern 
> tradition,
> > Western philosophy and comparitive religions.   What the
> > neuro-scientists, anthropologists, philosophers and meditators 
> like me
> > are saying are that these stories are simply phychological and 
> shared
> > cultural phenomonon based on inate traits of human consciousness. 
> > Traits like the characteristic of "person permanance" that has a 
> clear
> > evolutionary basis and real physiological function, and has 
> expressed
> > itself in certain "feelings" about the afterlife.
> > 
> > What is it I am missing?
> > 
> > s.
> >
> I read the article also and it makes good sense based on common 
> human experience-- if there has always been a "there" for us, we 
> cannot concieve of a "no where".
> 
> The direction of my thinking has taken a different direction on 
> this, though-- after I had accepted that death means complete 
> dissolution. This was a critical step for me, because only once I 
> was sure I was comfortable with nothingness as a future, could I 
> evaluate the completeness of existence without bias. 
> 
> And my evaluation said, why must the opposite of physical existence 
> be nothingness? Why must the opposite of what the physical scientist 
> measures and observes, be nothingness? 
> 
> Might there be a spectrum of existence all the way from absolute 
> silence and darkness, to measurable physical existence? Even if the 
> brain dies, flatline, what is to say there is not a currently 
> unmeasurable brain that continues to exist? A subtle body all its 
> own.
> 
> I am not arguing for one point or the other. I see as incomplete  
> what physical science holds as its mantra, and what the dreary new 
> age and religious thinking is on this subject. I enjoy thinking 
> about the full spectrum of creation though.
>
++  Read a book by a man that was on the phone when the system was hit
by lightening and his heart was stopped for twenty minutes which, I
think would qualify you as being dead.
He restarted and told of his "interim" travels and, later in his 
career "died" from a different cause and wrote about it.
With this and all the NDE reports, it looks like you shouldn't
worry.  Will see if I can get the book title.N.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: URGENT MESSAGE FROM RAJA HAGELIN

[Vaj]

On Oct 13, 2008, at 6:44 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote:

> I am implying that Mr. Hagelin is seeing the current events through
> the lens of his world view and having it make sense that way, much
> as the Lamas did- that's all.


Well the prophecy you're probably referring to is from Padmasambhava  
in the 8th cent. CE. It said "When the iron bird flies and horses run  
on wheels the Tibetan people will be scattered like ants across the  
face of the world, and the dharma will come to the land of the red- 
faced man."

It's interpretation among lamas is sometimes controversial, but here  
they are in the land called North, Central and South America, in a day  
of cars (horses on wheels) and planes (the "iron bird" that flies)...

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: URGENT MESSAGE FROM RAJA HAGELIN

[Vaj]

On Oct 13, 2008, at 6:47 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



On Oct 13, 2008, at 6:26 PM, Peter wrote:


You know when a science is no longer a science and just dogma?

When

there is no way to disprove the theory which is the higher-

order

explanation for the empirical evidence. Let's see, our self-

chosen

criteria for quantifying the ME go up. Well, we're responsible

for

that. These self-same criteria go down, well, we're responsible

for

that too, but now we have a brand new ad hoc explanation as to

why

they go down: phase transition. Notice the a priori assumption

that

the ME is an absolute given and the ad hoc explanation is to
rationalize the contradictory evidence away.

I'd love to ask John, "You state that the ME is a scientific

theory

which means it is open to nullification. So, John, what

empirical

findings would nullify the ME?"



Very well said.


it is quite interesting that the Maharishi used to say "through the -
window- of science, we see the dawn of the age of enlightenment". He
didn't say, "...through science, we see...".



What was disturbing to me, in years of conversation with Mahesh's old  
secretaries, (esp. one who helped put together what was to become  
known as "SCI"), was how M. said he would use science to forward his  
mission. Use science. But he clearly was not interested in finding the  
truth about TM, TMSP, etc. He was instead interested in creating a  
pseudoscience which could be used as a front for selling his various  
services and appealing to western geeks, the buyers.


You're new here so you may not even be aware, much of this has been  
discussed previously here in some detail. "Vedic Science" is well  
known among Hindu scientists as a form pseudoscience and Hindu  
fundamentalism. In India, in considerable contradistinction to our  
western views, it is considered an extreme right-wing and  
fundamentalist trend (here it seems very left wing). We see remarkably  
similar parallels in the phenomenon known as "Creation Science" in  
fundamentalist Christianity.

[FairfieldLife] Happy Columbus Day!

[Rick Archer]

 “Gold is most excellent; gold constitutes treasure; and he who has it does
all he wants in the world, and can even lift souls up to Paradise." --
Christopher Columbus, 1503 letter to the king and queen of Spain. 

"Christopher Columbus not only opened the door to a New World, but also set
an example for us all by showing what monumental feats can be accomplished
through perseverance and faith." --George H.W. Bush, 1989 speech 

=
"They forced their way into native settlements, slaughtering everyone they
found there, including small children, old men, pregnant women, and even
women who had just given birth. They hacked them to pieces, slicing open
their bellies with their swords as though they were so many sheep herded
into a pen. They even laid wagers on whether they could manage to slice a
man in two at a stroke, or cut an individual's head from his body, or
disembowel him with a single blow of their axes. They grabbed suckling
infants by the feet and, ripping them from their mothers' breasts, dashed
them headlong against the rocks. Others, laughing and joking all the while,
threw them over their shoulders into a river, shouting: 'Wriggle, you little
perisher.' - Father Bartolomé de Las Casas
 

http://www.stjohnbeachguide.com/Columbus%20Day.htm

[FairfieldLife] Re: URGENT MESSAGE FROM RAJA HAGELIN

[enlightened_dawn11]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Oct 13, 2008, at 6:26 PM, Peter wrote:
> 
> > You know when a science is no longer a science and just dogma? 
When  
> > there is no way to disprove the theory which is the higher-
order  
> > explanation for the empirical evidence. Let's see, our self-
chosen  
> > criteria for quantifying the ME go up. Well, we're responsible 
for  
> > that. These self-same criteria go down, well, we're responsible 
for  
> > that too, but now we have a brand new ad hoc explanation as to 
why  
> > they go down: phase transition. Notice the a priori assumption 
that  
> > the ME is an absolute given and the ad hoc explanation is to  
> > rationalize the contradictory evidence away.
> >
> > I'd love to ask John, "You state that the ME is a scientific 
theory  
> > which means it is open to nullification. So, John, what 
empirical  
> > findings would nullify the ME?"
> 
> 
> Very well said.
>
it is quite interesting that the Maharishi used to say "through the -
window- of science, we see the dawn of the age of enlightenment". He 
didn't say, "...through science, we see...".

[FairfieldLife] Re: URGENT MESSAGE FROM RAJA HAGELIN

[enlightened_dawn11]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Oct 13, 2008, at 6:07 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote:
> 
> > your taken name, Vajradhatu, comes from the Tibetan Buddhist
> > tradition. As I recall, when Tibet was forcibly colonized by the
> > communist Chinese, the religious Tibetan heirarchy did the same
> > thing that Mr. Hagelin is doing, justifying the events of the
> > colonization in terms of their religious prophecy and beliefs. 
What
> > is the difference sir? Is the pot calling the kettle black?
> 
> 
> Not the same at all. They'd actually known about it decades before 
and  
> proposed tax measures to help against the eventual invasion!  
> Delegations were sent to the Tibet-Chinese border, explaining that 
if  
> they accepted a raise in taxes, an eventual invasion could be 
avoided.
> 
> The people turned down the tax raise, and as prophecized the 
invasion  
> occurred 80 some odd years later; many of the highest Lamas 
escaped;  
> some remained; the world has benefitted immeasurably. Don't get 
me  
> wrong, it was a horrible tragedy, but it's benefit has been 
remarkable.
> 
> And I wouldn't compare advanced yogis with TMers or high lamas 
with  
> pseudoscience--I've met both and it's not a fair comparison. 
Before  
> the advent of Buddhism in Tibet it was an incredibly barbaric 
place  
> and was transformed to one of the greatest centers of higher  
> consciousness in human history. So it's a really poor comparison.
> 
> Are you implying that Dr. Hagelin is "prophesizing"? It seems to 
me,  
> he's selling.
>
I am implying that Mr. Hagelin is seeing the current events through 
the lens of his world view and having it make sense that way, much 
as the Lamas did- that's all.

[FairfieldLife] Re: A good explanation of the afterlife.

[enlightened_dawn11]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Stu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
-snip- 
> I have heard these stories to.  Spent much of my years going to
> lectures, reading, and discussing the charms of the Eastern 
tradition,
> Western philosophy and comparitive religions.   What the
> neuro-scientists, anthropologists, philosophers and meditators 
like me
> are saying are that these stories are simply phychological and 
shared
> cultural phenomonon based on inate traits of human consciousness. 
> Traits like the characteristic of "person permanance" that has a 
clear
> evolutionary basis and real physiological function, and has 
expressed
> itself in certain "feelings" about the afterlife.
> 
> What is it I am missing?
> 
> s.
>
I read the article also and it makes good sense based on common 
human experience-- if there has always been a "there" for us, we 
cannot concieve of a "no where".

The direction of my thinking has taken a different direction on 
this, though-- after I had accepted that death means complete 
dissolution. This was a critical step for me, because only once I 
was sure I was comfortable with nothingness as a future, could I 
evaluate the completeness of existence without bias. 

And my evaluation said, why must the opposite of physical existence 
be nothingness? Why must the opposite of what the physical scientist 
measures and observes, be nothingness? 

Might there be a spectrum of existence all the way from absolute 
silence and darkness, to measurable physical existence? Even if the 
brain dies, flatline, what is to say there is not a currently 
unmeasurable brain that continues to exist? A subtle body all its 
own.

I am not arguing for one point or the other. I see as incomplete  
what physical science holds as its mantra, and what the dreary new 
age and religious thinking is on this subject. I enjoy thinking 
about the full spectrum of creation though.

[FairfieldLife] Bleeding, was: Lou Valentino - Full Moon Messages from the Pleiadinan's/Full Moon in Aries

[Rick Archer]

> I was joking about Ayurvedic use of leeches over the spine.
> 
> ...and I think we found an opening act for Nabby...
>

Actually, given the effects "bleeding" small amounts of blood can have on
the 
body, I wouldn't be surprised if the tradition has some "vein" of validity
running through it...

As I understand it, Ayurveda holds that when you bleed, the body shunts the
impure blood to site of the wound, to get rid of that first. I've had
vaidyas recommend donating blood regularly for that reason.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: URGENT MESSAGE FROM RAJA HAGELIN

[Vaj]

On Oct 13, 2008, at 6:26 PM, Peter wrote:

> You know when a science is no longer a science and just dogma? When  
> there is no way to disprove the theory which is the higher-order  
> explanation for the empirical evidence. Let's see, our self-chosen  
> criteria for quantifying the ME go up. Well, we're responsible for  
> that. These self-same criteria go down, well, we're responsible for  
> that too, but now we have a brand new ad hoc explanation as to why  
> they go down: phase transition. Notice the a priori assumption that  
> the ME is an absolute given and the ad hoc explanation is to  
> rationalize the contradictory evidence away.
>
> I'd love to ask John, "You state that the ME is a scientific theory  
> which means it is open to nullification. So, John, what empirical  
> findings would nullify the ME?"


Very well said.

[FairfieldLife] Even Redstone's got the Blues

[Bhairitu]

Sumner Redstone forced to sell Viacom, CBS shares
Redstone's family firm dumps $400 million of nonvoting shares to raise 
cash to pay down debt.

*http://tinyurl.com/4v6d96

*

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lou Valentino - Full Moon Messages from the Pleiadinan's/Full Moon in Aries

[Vaj]

On Oct 13, 2008, at 5:36 PM, sparaig wrote:

>>>
>>> What, never heard of surgical leeches?
>>
>>
>> I have.
>>
>> I was joking about Ayurvedic use of leeches over the spine.
>>
>> ...and I think we found an opening act for Nabby...
>>
>
> Actually, given the effects "bleeding" small amounts of blood can  
> have on the
> body, I wouldn't be surprised if the tradition has some "vein" of  
> validity
> running through it...


I think there is actually is some good science on both leeches and-- 
perhaps more surprisingly--maggots (for necrotic tissue). You've  
probably heard about bee stings for arthritis as well.

The Maharishi Ayurveda approach was different, they just recommended  
people with that particular (pitta) disorder give blood!

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: URGENT MESSAGE FROM RAJA HAGELIN

[Peter]

You know when a science is no longer a science and just dogma? When there is no 
way to disprove the theory which is the higher-order explanation for the 
empirical evidence. Let's see, our self-chosen criteria for quantifying the ME 
go up. Well, we're responsible for that. These self-same criteria go down, 
well, we're responsible for that too, but now we have a brand new ad hoc 
explanation as to why they go down: phase transition. Notice the a priori 
assumption that the ME is an absolute given and the ad hoc explanation is to 
rationalize the contradictory evidence away.

I'd love to ask John, "You state that the ME is a scientific theory which means 
it is open to nullification. So, John, what empirical findings would nullify 
the ME?"  


  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: URGENT MESSAGE FROM RAJA HAGELIN

[Bhairitu]

off_world_beings wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>  , Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> On Oct 13, 2008, at 1:28 PM, Dick Mays wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> The rise of coherence has fueled a long-overdue purification in
>>> national life
>>>   
>> Hate to say "I told you so", but "I TOLD YOU SO"!  (msg 193626)
>>
>> These guys are about as predictable as they come.
>>
>> 
>
> On the other hand, do you think the world would be better carrying on as
> it was, as a greedy, corporate controlled, oppressor of the third world,
> polluter of the atmosphere, killer of life in the ocean.
>
> Something dramatic had to happen. The ME will protect from the worst of
> the upheaval.
>
> I never believed there could ba smooth transition. What is great about
> this is that people are realising that even without the capitalist
> system going rampant as they were used to...everything is
> ultimately...ok.Life is good.
>
> OffWorld
OTOH, we could be going into a dark world with no governments just 
corporations running everything.  No rights just slaves to the 
corporations.   Ala Blade Runner.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: URGENT MESSAGE FROM RAJA HAGELIN

[Vaj]

On Oct 13, 2008, at 6:07 PM, enlightened_dawn11 wrote:


your taken name, Vajradhatu, comes from the Tibetan Buddhist
tradition. As I recall, when Tibet was forcibly colonized by the
communist Chinese, the religious Tibetan heirarchy did the same
thing that Mr. Hagelin is doing, justifying the events of the
colonization in terms of their religious prophecy and beliefs. What
is the difference sir? Is the pot calling the kettle black?



Not the same at all. They'd actually known about it decades before and  
proposed tax measures to help against the eventual invasion!  
Delegations were sent to the Tibet-Chinese border, explaining that if  
they accepted a raise in taxes, an eventual invasion could be avoided.


The people turned down the tax raise, and as prophecized the invasion  
occurred 80 some odd years later; many of the highest Lamas escaped;  
some remained; the world has benefitted immeasurably. Don't get me  
wrong, it was a horrible tragedy, but it's benefit has been remarkable.


And I wouldn't compare advanced yogis with TMers or high lamas with  
pseudoscience--I've met both and it's not a fair comparison. Before  
the advent of Buddhism in Tibet it was an incredibly barbaric place  
and was transformed to one of the greatest centers of higher  
consciousness in human history. So it's a really poor comparison.


Are you implying that Dr. Hagelin is "prophesizing"? It seems to me,  
he's selling.

[FairfieldLife] Re: URGENT MESSAGE FROM RAJA HAGELIN

[enlightened_dawn11]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Oct 13, 2008, at 5:33 PM, sparaig wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  
wrote:
> > [...]
> >> The glass is always half empty or half full, depending on your  
> >> perspective.
> >>
> >>
> >> Of course, given the connotations of "Emptiness" in the TM 
context,
> >> you to wonder, which is the positive perspective...
> >
> > Dare I bring up the connotations of "Fullness" in this 
discussion?
> 
> 
> Sure, if you mean "fullness of sh*t".
> 
> The TM org is doing the exact same thing that fundamentalist  
> Christians do with their "Book of Revelation" and world-history-as-
the- 
> latest-Apocalypse scenario, only they use their Neo-vedic  
> pseudoscience schtick instead, with a discredited physicist and  
> teenage skirt-chaser instead of a mega-preacher. "Phase 
transition" is  
> just an old buzzword (shamelessly borrowed from chemistry and 
physics)  
> TMers are all familiar with and it helps relieve the obvious 
cognitive  
> dissonance they are feeling. To further assuage their fears, 
Hagelin  
> uses the same excuses Ole Mahesh used to try.
> 
> It's the same old story really. I could feel the fullness. :-)
>
your taken name, Vajradhatu, comes from the Tibetan Buddhist 
tradition. As I recall, when Tibet was forcibly colonized by the 
communist Chinese, the religious Tibetan heirarchy did the same 
thing that Mr. Hagelin is doing, justifying the events of the 
colonization in terms of their religious prophecy and beliefs. What 
is the difference sir? Is the pot calling the kettle black?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: URGENT MESSAGE FROM RAJA HAGELIN

[Sal Sunshine]

On Oct 13, 2008, at 4:33 PM, sparaig wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[...]
The glass is always half empty or half full, depending on your  
perspective.


Actually, it kinda depends on what's in the glass...

Sal

[FairfieldLife] Garrison Keillor on "the Rapture"

[Vaj]

LINK

[FairfieldLife] Re: Lou Valentino - Full Moon Messages ...as of today.

[Tom]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> > >
> > > I particularly enjoyed this part of the dialog:
> > > 
> > > Pleiadian’s: You can’t get the new girl you met off of your 
> > > mind can you?
> > > 
> > > Lou: No. I hope she wants to date me. 
> > > 
> > > Pleiadian’s: We will try to work this out. It looks very 
> > > favorable. Yes……..Lou she is a very bright light and has been 
> > > thinking of you. Mother is helping with this connection. Get your 
> > > tooth pulled. It’s blocking your connection with life.
> > > 
> > > So, if any of you reading this are having romantic problems, 
> > > there’s your solution. Have a tooth pulled!
> > 
> > I had a lucid dream of a beautiful young woman early this morning.  
> > She was strawberry blond.  At first, I was wondering if she was a 
> > devata who visited me.  Anyway, she said her name was Valenta and 
> > her father was a policeman.
> > 
> > So, I checked the planetary transit as of now. It turns out that 
> > the Moon (a female planet) is transiting Pisces, my 9th house, 
> > representing the house of dreams.  The Sun (yellow) and Mercury 
> > (young) are in Virgo, just opposite of Pisces.  Thus, the woman in 
> > the dream was young and blond.
> > 
> > There you it--the mystery revealed--based on the transits of 
> > planets.  If any of you had a similar dream this morning, more 
> > likely your ascendant is Cancer (by jyotish calculation), the 
> > same as mine.
> 
> 
> Just when I thought that Lou had "Loon Of 
> The Week" completely sewn up, I read this.
>

I hope John doesn't flip when he sees a photo of
Valenta dancing with Hef at the Playboy mansion.

His transits might never be the same when that 
lucid angel in the centerfold is soiled.  ;-)

Oh well, fifty grand for a yagya oughta fix it 
right up.
  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Palin Booed at Hockey Game

[Sal Sunshine]

On Oct 13, 2008, at 1:28 PM, Bhairitu wrote:

This morning at Starbucks I thought there was two tables of  
Republicans

but they turned out of be a bunch from the mentally disabled school.
Hard to tell the difference these days.


Hey, you oughtta see me before I've had my coffee!

Sal

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lou Valentino - Full Moon Messages ...as of today.

[Sal Sunshine]

On Oct 13, 2008, at 3:08 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:


So, Jyotish-wise, does this make me a lesbian?


No, you just play one on TV.

Sal

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: URGENT MESSAGE FROM RAJA HAGELIN

[Vaj]

On Oct 13, 2008, at 5:33 PM, sparaig wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[...]
The glass is always half empty or half full, depending on your  
perspective.



Of course, given the connotations of "Emptiness" in the TM context,
you to wonder, which is the positive perspective...


Dare I bring up the connotations of "Fullness" in this discussion?



Sure, if you mean "fullness of sh*t".

The TM org is doing the exact same thing that fundamentalist  
Christians do with their "Book of Revelation" and world-history-as-the- 
latest-Apocalypse scenario, only they use their Neo-vedic  
pseudoscience schtick instead, with a discredited physicist and  
teenage skirt-chaser instead of a mega-preacher. "Phase transition" is  
just an old buzzword (shamelessly borrowed from chemistry and physics)  
TMers are all familiar with and it helps relieve the obvious cognitive  
dissonance they are feeling. To further assuage their fears, Hagelin  
uses the same excuses Ole Mahesh used to try.


It's the same old story really. I could feel the fullness. :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Lou Valentino - Full Moon Messages from the Pleiadinan's/Full Moon in Aries

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Oct 13, 2008, at 5:19 PM, sparaig wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> On Oct 13, 2008, at 3:10 PM, Rick Archer wrote:
> >>
> >>> I particularly enjoyed this part of the dialog:
> >>>
> >>> Pleiadian�s: You can�t get the new girl you met off of your mind
> >>> can you?
> >>> Lou: No. I hope she wants to date me.
> >>> Pleiadian�s: We will try to work this out. It looks very  
> >>> favorable.
> >>> Yes��..Lou she is a very bright light and has been thinking of  
> >>> you.
> >>> Mother is helping with this connection. Get your tooth pulled.  
> >>> It�s
> >>> blocking your connection with life.
> >>> So, if any of you reading this are having romantic problems,
> >>> there�s your solution. Have a tooth pulled!
> >>
> >>
> >> Should I still continue with the leeches on the spine?
> >>
> >
> > What, never heard of surgical leeches?
> 
> 
> I have.
> 
> I was joking about Ayurvedic use of leeches over the spine.
> 
> ...and I think we found an opening act for Nabby...
>

Actually, given the effects "bleeding" small amounts of blood can have on the 
body, I wouldn't be surprised if the tradition has some "vein" of validity
running through it...

L

[FairfieldLife] Re: URGENT MESSAGE FROM RAJA HAGELIN

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[...]
> The glass is always half empty or half full, depending on your perspective.
> 
> 
> Of course, given the connotations of "Emptiness" in the TM context,
> you to wonder, which is the positive perspective...

Dare I bring up the connotations of "Fullness" in this discussion?


Perhaps the upshot is that the glass being perceived as half-Empty or 
half-Full comes to the same thing: every... thing... is Relative

;-)

Lawson

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lou Valentino - Full Moon Messages from the Pleiadinan's/Full Moon in Aries

[Vaj]

On Oct 13, 2008, at 5:19 PM, sparaig wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



On Oct 13, 2008, at 3:10 PM, Rick Archer wrote:


I particularly enjoyed this part of the dialog:

Pleiadian�s: You can�t get the new girl you met off of your mind
can you?
Lou: No. I hope she wants to date me.
Pleiadian�s: We will try to work this out. It looks very  
favorable.
Yes��..Lou she is a very bright light and has been thinking of  
you.
Mother is helping with this connection. Get your tooth pulled.  
It�s

blocking your connection with life.
So, if any of you reading this are having romantic problems,
there�s your solution. Have a tooth pulled!



Should I still continue with the leeches on the spine?



What, never heard of surgical leeches?



I have.

I was joking about Ayurvedic use of leeches over the spine.

...and I think we found an opening act for Nabby...

[FairfieldLife] Re: Race Card...Again

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mainstream20016" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
[...]
> Please refrain from publicly declaring victory until Nov. 5th.
>

You mean Jan 21, 2009...


Lawson

[FairfieldLife] Re: Lou Valentino - Full Moon Messages from the Pleiadinan's/Full Moon in Aries

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Oct 13, 2008, at 3:10 PM, Rick Archer wrote:
> 
> > I particularly enjoyed this part of the dialog:
> >
> > Pleiadian�s: You can�t get the new girl you met off of your mind  
> > can you?
> > Lou: No. I hope she wants to date me.
> > Pleiadian�s: We will try to work this out. It looks very favorable.  
> > Yes��..Lou she is a very bright light and has been thinking of you.  
> > Mother is helping with this connection. Get your tooth pulled. It�s  
> > blocking your connection with life.
> > So, if any of you reading this are having romantic problems,  
> > there�s your solution. Have a tooth pulled!
> 
> 
> Should I still continue with the leeches on the spine?
>

What, never heard of surgical leeches?


Lawson

[FairfieldLife] Re: URGENT MESSAGE FROM RAJA HAGELIN

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> �
> I was all set to grab my checkbook and load up the car and drive the 1275 
> miles to the 
dome, but then I couldn't figure whether my added coherence would make the 
stock market 
go up or go down.�


It doesn't matter. Just go back to meditating...


Lawson

[FairfieldLife] Re: URGENT MESSAGE FROM RAJA HAGELIN

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Vaj wrote:
> >
> > On Oct 13, 2008, at 1:28 PM, Dick Mays wrote:
> >
> >> The rise of coherence has fueled a long-overdue purification in 
> >> national life
> >
> >
> > Hate to say "I told you so", but "I TOLD YOU SO"!  (msg 193626)
> >
> > These guys are about as predictable as they come.
> Don't show this message to the Bush administration as Bush will have a 
> press conference and announce to the public that the TM movement was 
> responsible for the global economic crash and will send out the DHS to 
> arrest TM'ers everywhere starting with Hagelin and Bevan.  :-D
> 
> Of course the reason for the economic collapse was the ponzi scheme that 
> banks came up with to sell loans, many times over so that one dollar was 
> loaned out 30 times.  That was criminal but they did it "because they 
> could."  And according to Bill Seidman who was with a group that created 
> that concept, Greenspan thought it was great.

"That concept" is centuries old...


Lawson

[FairfieldLife] Re: Palin Booed at Hockey Game

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> curtisdeltablues wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> >   
> >> "Hockey Mom" Sarah Palin gets booed at Philadelphia Flyers game.  The 
> >> MSM covered this but brought music up over the boos.  This is from a
> >> 
> > fan 
> >   
> >> who took video from his seat:
> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXNetpeu_mk
> >> 
> >
> > Now we know why she has been too busy to do in depth press interviews
> > for the voters to get a detailed understanding of her knowledge and
> > perspectives.
> NBC should have told Palin that to do SNL she had to do "Meet the Press" 
> first.
> 
> This morning at Starbucks I thought there was two tables of Republicans  
> but they turned out of be a bunch from the mentally disabled school.  
> Hard to tell the difference these days.
>

Politics certainly brings out the ugly in people, doesn't it?



Lawson

[FairfieldLife] Strange bird (Was: Garrison Keillor on Sarah Palin)

[uns_tressor]

>- Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Let her drift back to Alaska and stare out at Putin...
> 
Her party is paranoidly Christian and yet at least two
of her children are not named after saints but one after
an English town which became rich off trading in tobacco
and slaves, and the other a disappointing maker of light
aircraft. (Maybe this child was conceived in the back of
one of them - pretty uncomfortable, but she is a fit bird).
Uns.

[FairfieldLife] Re: URGENT MESSAGE FROM RAJA HAGELIN

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays  wrote:
> >
> > From: Invincible America 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > An Open Letter to the Yogic Flyers of the Nation
> > from the Raja of Invincible America
> > 
> > October 12, 2008
> > 
> > Dear Fellow Yogic Flyers,
> > 
> > As everyone surely knows, America-and our entire, 
> > deeply interconnected world family-are in the 
> > midst of an historic global phase transition. The 
> > financial markets-and the entire world 
> > economy-are in upheaval.
> > 
> > The press often asks me about the cause of the 
> > stock market meltdown, despite our consistently 
> > high numbers in the Domes-given that we had taken 
> > credit for the record market highs just one year 
> > ago.
> > 
> > The rise of coherence has fueled a long-overdue purification in 
> national life
> 
> So they are actually claiming responsibility for this mess!
> 
> I kind of feel weird after reading this. I can see how
> a TB might be reassured that peace is within our grasp, 
> just one more course and the world emerge through the storm
> into bright sunlight, the phase transition complete...
> 
> But to me it seems like a letter from someone I used to know
> who is now confined to a mental hospital. I was hoping they
> were better but this news causes me to shake my head with 
> sorrow and accept they might be in the rubber room for many 
> years to come. I can only hope there is some sort of new 
> treatment just over the horizon that will bring them back to
> sanity.


The glass is always half empty or half full, depending on your perspective.


Of course, given the connotations of "Emptiness" in the TM context,
you to wonder, which is the positive perspective...


Lawson

[FairfieldLife] Re: A good explanation of the afterlife.

[Stu]

I am a little baffled why a fellow meditator would draw the conclusions
you do.  For me the exposure to "pure consciousness" on a regular basis
allows me in my normal waking state to observe the differences between
what influences us culturally and what is innate.  I feel meditation
better arms me to make this important distinction.  What is being and
what is nothingness?

My questions are written below:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I would say, that, when you become enlightened, and transcend the
> ego, then there is the 'death of the ego', and you begin to notice
> that the more detatched you become from the ego, the more 'dead' you
> already are.

I understand the importance of not identifying with the construct of the
ego.  The spiritual transformation is not so much to crush the ego, as
ego is an important component of our survival.  I am sick, I am hungry,
I love, and so on, are a huge component of what life is.  But samsara
comes about when one identifies too deeply with the ego.  Compassion is
expressed most freely when our relation to ego is one of humility.

How can you kill ego and continue to be a sentient being let alone an
enlightened one?

> You are, like, born again...
> Death, becomes a different thing.
> Seems like you can talk about death, as if you already know what it's
> like because you can kind of remember what it's like to be dead...

We canot conceptualize death that is the point of the article.  What
makes you think that we can?

> or
> In between worlds, where you know, all your past lives, and you can
> feel all the souls you've been connected with, good and bad...

I don't understand this at all.  In 30 years of yoga I have had no
evidence of any of this folklore.  I do understand how we have psychic
components that motivate us to create the fiction of cosmic souls to
fill in the gaps in our consciousness.

Why do you draw the conclusion that these mirages are real?  What
evidence do you have?


> You begin to see how your 'Karmic Tendencies', habits, create
> Samsaras which are part of your personality and ego, that keeps
> creating the same thing, over and over again, until you become aware
> of the Samsara, and it is burned in the 'Light of Pure Consciousness'.
> I think death, has more to do, with resting, after this lifetime, and
> depending on how aware you become by the time you leave your body,
> will be how able you are to proceed to the next lifetime, and be able
> to choose the next step...

With the death of the brain, all perception, awareness, sensation,
language, memory, and so on, is gone.  What is left to "leave the body"?

If reincarnation was truley part of the mechanics of the universe why
isn't it self evident?  Why does it only exhibit itself in certain
cultures?


> The in between area, where you are not in a body, I don't think could
> be expressed in words, or even through any experience, so the
> experience of death itself, physical death, still remains somewhat of
> a mystery...

It is a mystery because of this concept of "simulation constraint"
discussed in this article.  We can not simulate non existance.  We know
this because when we transcend there is no way to accurately describe
this non-experience.  I have taken that away from TM.

What makes you think there is such a thing as being "not in the body"? 
Isn't the perception of "not in the body" subject to the same
constraints discussed in the article?

> I have heard stories of visitations of people who have recently died,
> contacting someone, in a dream, where they could feel the touch of
> the departed soul...
> R.G.
>

I have heard these stories to.  Spent much of my years going to
lectures, reading, and discussing the charms of the Eastern tradition,
Western philosophy and comparitive religions.   What the
neuro-scientists, anthropologists, philosophers and meditators like me
are saying are that these stories are simply phychological and shared
cultural phenomonon based on inate traits of human consciousness. 
Traits like the characteristic of "person permanance" that has a clear
evolutionary basis and real physiological function, and has expressed
itself in certain "feelings" about the afterlife.

What is it I am missing?

s.

[FairfieldLife] Re: URGENT MESSAGE FROM RAJA HAGELIN

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> On Oct 13, 2008, at 1:28 PM, Dick Mays wrote:
>
> > The rise of coherence has fueled a long-overdue purification in
> > national life
>
>
> Hate to say "I told you so", but "I TOLD YOU SO"!  (msg 193626)
>
> These guys are about as predictable as they come.
>

On the other hand, do you think the world would be better carrying on as
it was, as a greedy, corporate controlled, oppressor of the third world,
polluter of the atmosphere, killer of life in the ocean.

Something dramatic had to happen. The ME will protect from the worst of
the upheaval.

I never believed there could ba smooth transition. What is great about
this is that people are realising that even without the capitalist
system going rampant as they were used to...everything is
ultimately...ok.Life is good.

OffWorld

[FairfieldLife] Re: URGENT MESSAGE FROM RAJA HAGELIN

[Patrick Gillam]

I don't think there's much question that 
there's a phase transition in effect. The 
question seems to be, What effect do the 
TM organization's super radiance and pundit 
ceremonies have on that transition? 

I can hardly fault people for running under
the mountain with their sticks.

http://www.artoflegendindia.com/details/PAAD026


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> From: Invincible America <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> 
> 
> An Open Letter to the Yogic Flyers of the Nation
> from the Raja of Invincible America
> 
> October 12, 2008
> 
> Dear Fellow Yogic Flyers,
> 
> As everyone surely knows, America-and our entire, 
> deeply interconnected world family-are in the 
> midst of an historic global phase transition. The 
> financial markets-and the entire world 
> economy-are in upheaval.
> 
> The press often asks me about the cause of the 
> stock market meltdown, despite our consistently 
> high numbers in the Domes-given that we had taken 
> credit for the record market highs just one year 
> ago.
> 
> The rise of coherence has fueled a long-overdue purification in
national life

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lou Valentino - Full Moon Messages ...as of today.

[Bhairitu]

TurquoiseB wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>   
>> On Oct 13, 2008, at 2:52 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:
>>
>> 
 There you it--the mystery revealed--based on the transits of
 planets.  If any of you had a similar dream this morning, more
 likely your ascendant is Cancer (by jyotish calculation), the
 same as mine.
 
>>> Just when I thought that Lou had "Loon Of
>>> The Week" completely sewn up, I read this.
>>>   
>> What do you expect,  Barry?  It's 2 and a half weeks before
>> Halloween--the devatas are warming up!
>> 
>
> It's just that I'd never really thought about
> the astrological interpretation of dreams.
> Now it's got me curious.
>
> For example, the other night I had a smokin' 
> hot dream in which Anne Heche and I got naked
> and got it on. And I know that it was really
> her because I've seen those breasts in quite
> a few films now. 
>
> So, Jyotish-wise, does this make me a lesbian?
Maybe it means you were Ellen DeGeneres.

[FairfieldLife] Reverse Bradley effect

[do.rflex]

Polls may underestimate Obama's support by 3 to 4 percent, researchers say

===
Named for Tom Bradley, an African-American 
who lost the 1982 California governor's race 
despite being ahead in voter polls, the 
Bradley effect refers to an alleged tendency 
on the part of some voters to tell pollsters 
that they are undecided or likely to vote for 
a black candidate, and yet, on election day, 
vote for his/her white opponent.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradley_effect
===

(PhysOrg.com - October 10, 2008) -- Current polls of the presidential
election may be underestimating Barack Obama's support by 3 to 4
percent nationally and possibly larger margins in the Southeast and
some strongly Republican states, according to University of Washington
researchers.

Psychologist Anthony Greenwald and political scientist Bethany
Albertson, who analyzed data from the 32 states holding Democratic
primaries, said race played an unexpectedly powerful role in
distorting pre-election poll findings and the same scenario could play
out in the election between Obama and John McCain.

"The Clinton-Obama raced dragged on so long, but it generated a lot of
data. It is the only existing basis on which to predict how a black
candidate will do in a national general election," said Greenwald, who
pioneered studies how people's unconscious bias affects their
behavior. "The level of inaccuracy of the polls in the primaries was
unprecedented."

Prior to the start of the primary season, the UW researchers thought
the so-called Bradley effect would play a key role in the 2008
election. Previously, this effect showed exaggerated pre-election poll
support for black candidates in some prominent elections in the 1980s
and 1990s.

The Bradley effect is named for former Los Angeles mayor Tom Bradley,
a black, who lost a close 1982 gubernatorial election in California
after holding a solid lead in the polls. 

As the 2008 primaries played out, Greenwald and Albertson found that
the Bradley effect only showed up in three states -- California, New
Hampshire and Rhode Island.

However, they found a reverse Bradley effect in 12 primary states. In
these states they found actual support for Obama exceeded pre-election
polls by totals of 7 percent or more, well beyond the polls' margins
of error. These errors ranged up to 18 percent in Georgia.

"The Bradley effect has mutated. We are seeing it in several states,
but the reverse effect is much stronger," said Greenwald. "We didn't
have a chance to look at these effects before on a national level. 

The prolonged Democratic primary process this year gave us a chance to
look for this effect in 32 primaries in which the same two candidates
faced each other."

Albertson and Greenwald believe the errors in the polls are being
driven by social pressures that can operate when voters are contacted
by telephone prior to an election. They said that polls from states in
the Southeast predicted a large black vote for Obama and a much weaker
white vote. They found that, in a few Southeast states, exit polls
showed that both whites and blacks gave more votes to Obama than the
pre-election polls had predicted.

"Blacks understated their support for Obama and, even more surprising,
whites did too. There also is some indication that this happened in
such Republican states as Montana, South Dakota, Oklahoma, Missouri
and Indiana," Greenwald said.

"If you call people on the phone today and ask who they will vote for,
some will give responses influenced by what may be understood,
locally, as the more desirable response. It is easy to suppose that
these people are lying to pollsters. I don't believe that. What I
think is they may be undecided and experiencing social pressure which
could increase their likelihood of naming the white candidate if their
region or state has a history of white dominance. They also might give
the name of the Republican if the state is strongly Republican.

A good analogy of a desirable response and social pressure, he said,
would be if you lived in Detroit and you get a call asking if you will
participate in an anonymous survey about automobiles.

"You agree and are asked if you prefer American or foreign cars. Even
if you own a Japanese car, you might experience some pressure to give
an answer that might be more appreciated by the caller -- that you
prefer American cars," said Greenwald. 

"When it comes to politics, although voters are presumably anonymous
when speaking to pollsters, the fact that the person calling them
knows their phone number may not let them feel anonymous."

Albertson noted that the polls have systematically underestimated
Obama's support and this can have an impact on the election.

"This distortion is interesting because poll numbers are part of the
story journalists tell the public and they can also affect campaign
strategy, such as states in which to spend resources," she said. 

http://www.physorg.com/news142862643.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Misogyny offensive, or is it just more fun than Racism?

[enlightened_dawn11]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> It's all about Obama, isn't it? " Stop saying bad things about me," 
he
> whines. "Poor Obama, mean McCain," the media says.  "Sarah Palin is a
> c*nt," the T-shirt says. "Oh that's O.K. she's just a girl," everyone
> says.
> 
Its an ugly campaign in some respects, though the old adage, "whatever 
you put your attention on, grows," holds true now, as ever. There are 
many many people not getting sucked into the wars of negativity you 
and others are indulging in, despite being closely involved with the 
race for President. 

In this infinitely diverse world of ours, we can find evidence to 
support anything we want- but all that does is make it true for us, 
create a world for us to live in; a world that manifests our 
consciousness. Doesn't mean it is accurate. Doesn't mean it is true 
for anyone else. Just the values and challenges we personally choose 
to emphasize.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Race Card...Again

[mainstream20016]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Did it ever occur to you that the racial epitaphs at a McCain 
> rally
> > > > could be from Obama plants? 
> > > 
> > > Let's see... the crowd called him a "terrorist" which is the
> > > insinuation from McCain's ads...
> > > 
> > > They shouted "kill him" which is what we have been doing to 
> terrorists
> > > for years...
> > > 
> > > This term "race card" has taken on a life of its own.  It is 
> losing a
> > > lot of its meaning in the cloud of emotional reaction.
> > > 
> > > Let's get back to a few facts.  Obama IS a black man.  There are 
> many
> > > people who will never elect a black man for president of 
> anything, let
> > > alone the whole country.  So if Obama makes any reference to this
> > > group of people, he is not "playing a race card."  He is stating 
> a fact.
> > > 
> > > When did our racial awareness degrade into labeling black people 
> who
> > > speak out against prejudice against their race as "playing a 
> card?"
> > > 
> > > I live in an African and African American dominant area.  Racism 
> is
> > > alive and well in this country on all sides.  People who never
> > > interact with people of the opposite race develop a cartoon 
> picture of
> > > the other team.
> > > 
> > > I think considering the size of the elephant in the room, Obama 
> has
> > > done very well to navigate the rocky shores of public opinion on
> > > anything he says racially.  His "A More Perfect Union speech" in
> > > answer to the Rev. Wright fiasco was of the most profound racial
> > > discussion I have ever heard from a politician. Actually it was 
> the
> > > best discussion of the complexities of race relations I have ever
> > > heard from anyone.  Take a listen:
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrp-v2tHaDo
> > > 
> > > The guy is doing a lot more than playing a card in a game.  If 
> you
> > > think the most significant thing about Obama's contribution to 
> racial
> > > understanding is that he has played some card, you are missing a
> > > profound moment in our history.
> > 
> > 
> > Thanks, Curtis. I share your sentiment - and I truly believe that
> > Obama's candidacy will have an historically significant key 
> positive
> > outcome.
> > 
> > Around 30 years ago I lived with a beautiful black woman for about 
> 4
> > years. She was extremely beautiful physically, but more 
> importantly to
> > me she was magnificently beautiful as a human being. I had fallen
> > deeply in love with her and wanted to marry her. She said no.
> > 
> > It wasn't that she didn't have love for me in return, it was 
> primarily
> > because she was afraid that in living our lives, the whites in the
> > community would treat us badly. She wouldn't change her mind no 
> matter
> > my long lasting desperate heart broken pleas. 
> > 
> > Next to my current wife, she was one of the most wonderful women 
> I've
> > ever met.
> >
> a wonderful story. A huge, incalcuable transformation will occur 
> racially and culturally when Barack is sworn in as the next 
> President of our country. I can barely contain myself.
>


Please refrain from publicly declaring victory until Nov. 5th.  


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Race Card...Again

[enlightened_dawn11]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
>  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  
wrote:
> > >
> > > Did it ever occur to you that the racial epitaphs at a McCain 
rally
> > > could be from Obama plants? 
> > 
> > Let's see... the crowd called him a "terrorist" which is the
> > insinuation from McCain's ads...
> > 
> > They shouted "kill him" which is what we have been doing to 
terrorists
> > for years...
> > 
> > This term "race card" has taken on a life of its own.  It is 
losing a
> > lot of its meaning in the cloud of emotional reaction.
> > 
> > Let's get back to a few facts.  Obama IS a black man.  There are 
many
> > people who will never elect a black man for president of 
anything, let
> > alone the whole country.  So if Obama makes any reference to this
> > group of people, he is not "playing a race card."  He is stating 
a fact.
> > 
> > When did our racial awareness degrade into labeling black people 
who
> > speak out against prejudice against their race as "playing a 
card?"
> > 
> > I live in an African and African American dominant area.  Racism 
is
> > alive and well in this country on all sides.  People who never
> > interact with people of the opposite race develop a cartoon 
picture of
> > the other team.
> > 
> > I think considering the size of the elephant in the room, Obama 
has
> > done very well to navigate the rocky shores of public opinion on
> > anything he says racially.  His "A More Perfect Union speech" in
> > answer to the Rev. Wright fiasco was of the most profound racial
> > discussion I have ever heard from a politician. Actually it was 
the
> > best discussion of the complexities of race relations I have ever
> > heard from anyone.  Take a listen:
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrp-v2tHaDo
> > 
> > The guy is doing a lot more than playing a card in a game.  If 
you
> > think the most significant thing about Obama's contribution to 
racial
> > understanding is that he has played some card, you are missing a
> > profound moment in our history.
> 
> 
> Thanks, Curtis. I share your sentiment - and I truly believe that
> Obama's candidacy will have an historically significant key 
positive
> outcome.
> 
> Around 30 years ago I lived with a beautiful black woman for about 
4
> years. She was extremely beautiful physically, but more 
importantly to
> me she was magnificently beautiful as a human being. I had fallen
> deeply in love with her and wanted to marry her. She said no.
> 
> It wasn't that she didn't have love for me in return, it was 
primarily
> because she was afraid that in living our lives, the whites in the
> community would treat us badly. She wouldn't change her mind no 
matter
> my long lasting desperate heart broken pleas. 
> 
> Next to my current wife, she was one of the most wonderful women 
I've
> ever met.
>
a wonderful story. A huge, incalcuable transformation will occur 
racially and culturally when Barack is sworn in as the next 
President of our country. I can barely contain myself.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Lou Valentino - Full Moon Messages ...as of today.

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> On Oct 13, 2008, at 2:52 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:
> 
> > > There you it--the mystery revealed--based on the transits of
> > > planets.  If any of you had a similar dream this morning, more
> > > likely your ascendant is Cancer (by jyotish calculation), the
> > > same as mine.
> >
> > Just when I thought that Lou had "Loon Of
> > The Week" completely sewn up, I read this.
> 
> What do you expect,  Barry?  It's 2 and a half weeks before
> Halloween--the devatas are warming up!

It's just that I'd never really thought about
the astrological interpretation of dreams.
Now it's got me curious.

For example, the other night I had a smokin' 
hot dream in which Anne Heche and I got naked
and got it on. And I know that it was really
her because I've seen those breasts in quite
a few films now. 

So, Jyotish-wise, does this make me a lesbian?

[FairfieldLife] Breaking News: Class Action Lawsuit against MUM

[guyfawkes91]

APS 10/12/2008

At a press conference today a New York law firm Sue, Grabit and Runn
announced that they are acting for numerous aggrieved investors in a
class action lawsuit filed against Maharishi University of Management
(MUM) accusing them of gross incompetence in the management of
investor sentiment leading to the loss of trillions of dollars.

Mr Sue claimed that they had evidence that one Dr John Hagelin leader
of the group of transcendental meditators at MUM was once a physicist
and should have known what he was doing. Stating "They've been saying
for years that playing this 'raising collective consciousness' game
was boosting the stock market and we all thought they were completely
nuts but totally harmless. Now it turns out that something called a
'phase transition' can happen making the financial markets tank big
time. Well if they've got scientific evidence that they've been
influencing the stock market all these years then we're going to go
after them for every penny they've got"

Mr Grabit commented "People just shouldn't be allowed to play mystical
influences on something serious like stock markets. This money is
ordinary people's retirement funds, life savings to get their kids
through college and pay large fees for legal advice. It means real
hardship for ordinary people if these mystics fuck up like they have.
 They shouldn't be allowed to aim magical thinking at the New York
Stock Exchange unless they've proven their competence by magically
changing prices at the local Wal-Mart first"

His colleague Runn said "Just today they made an announcement claiming
responsibility for the turmoil in the markets so I think we've got a
water tight case against them. We know they have land assets all over
the world, though some of it in India might be hard to pin down as the
ownership is in question, but we estimate we can get at least $3
billion for our clients. Set that against the trillions that have been
lost and it's not much but at least we'll bankrupt them and they won't
do it again"

Dr John Hagelin was unavailable for comment.

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lou Valentino - Full Moon Messages ...as of today.

[Sal Sunshine]

On Oct 13, 2008, at 2:52 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:

>> There you it--the mystery revealed--based on the transits of
>> planets.  If any of you had a similar dream this morning, more
>> likely your ascendant is Cancer (by jyotish calculation), the
>> same as mine.
>
>
> Just when I thought that Lou had "Loon Of
> The Week" completely sewn up, I read this.

What do you expect,  Barry?  It's 2 and a half weeks before
Halloween--the devatas are warming up!

Sal

[FairfieldLife] Re: Lou Valentino - Full Moon Messages ...as of today.

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> >
> > I particularly enjoyed this part of the dialog:
> > 
> > Pleiadian’s: You can’t get the new girl you met off of your 
> > mind can you?
> > 
> > Lou: No. I hope she wants to date me. 
> > 
> > Pleiadian’s: We will try to work this out. It looks very 
> > favorable. Yes……..Lou she is a very bright light and has been 
> > thinking of you. Mother is helping with this connection. Get your 
> > tooth pulled. It’s blocking your connection with life.
> > 
> > So, if any of you reading this are having romantic problems, 
> > there’s your solution. Have a tooth pulled!
> 
> I had a lucid dream of a beautiful young woman early this morning.  
> She was strawberry blond.  At first, I was wondering if she was a 
> devata who visited me.  Anyway, she said her name was Valenta and 
> her father was a policeman.
> 
> So, I checked the planetary transit as of now. It turns out that 
> the Moon (a female planet) is transiting Pisces, my 9th house, 
> representing the house of dreams.  The Sun (yellow) and Mercury 
> (young) are in Virgo, just opposite of Pisces.  Thus, the woman in 
> the dream was young and blond.
> 
> There you it--the mystery revealed--based on the transits of 
> planets.  If any of you had a similar dream this morning, more 
> likely your ascendant is Cancer (by jyotish calculation), the 
> same as mine.


Just when I thought that Lou had "Loon Of 
The Week" completely sewn up, I read this.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Lou Valentino - Full Moon Messages ...as of today.

[John]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I particularly enjoyed this part of the dialog:
> 
>  
> 
> Pleiadian’s: You can’t get the new girl you met off of your 
mind can you?
> 
> Lou: No. I hope she wants to date me. 
> 
> Pleiadian’s: We will try to work this out. It looks very 
favorable. Yes……..Lou she is a very bright light and has been 
thinking of you. Mother is helping with this connection. Get your 
tooth pulled. It’s blocking your connection with life.
> 
> So, if any of you reading this are having romantic problems, 
there’s your solution. Have a tooth pulled!

I had a lucid dream of a beautiful young woman early this morning.  
She was strawberry blond.  At first, I was wondering if she was a 
devata who visited me.  Anyway, she said her name was Valenta and her 
father was a policeman.

So, I checked the planetary transit as of now. It turns out that the 
Moon (a female planet) is transiting Pisces, my 9th house, 
representing the house of dreams.  The Sun (yellow) and Mercury 
(young) are in Virgo, just opposite of Pisces.  Thus, the woman in 
the dream was young and blond.

There you it--the mystery revealed--based on the transits of 
planets.  If any of you had a similar dream this morning, more likely 
your ascendant is Cancer (by jyotish calculation), the same as mine.






>

Re: [FairfieldLife] a jyotish perspective of the current economic unstressing

[Bhairitu]

There was no Kala Sarpa Yoga in play during the Great Depression. Not 
from 1929 through 1931. Back to the drawing board or the telescope. 
Instead Sam ought to just look at the afflictions in transit without any 
country's horoscope. They have actually been quite intense (by about any 
jyotish system which as you know everybody and his dog has a different 
one and actually this will work with western astrology too though I note 
that western astrologers are often trying to blame things on Neptune, 
Uranus and Pluto). Blame those afflictions and he will look pretty good 
as an astrologer.

george_deforest wrote:
> Kala Sarpa Yoga - US Economy and Election
> Blogged on October 11th, 2008 by vedic astrologer Sam Geppi
>
> "Currently in the sky we have what's called 
> a Kala Sarpa Yoga in Vedic Astrology. 
> Kala Sarpa means "The Serpent of Time". 
>
> All of the planets are in between the Nodes of Rahu and Ketu. 
>
> When this happens there is a lot of karma being activated. 
>
> Since time is always cyclical, from the past into the future, 
> there is a mixture of both playing out at any time. Yet, 
> we would look at the direction of the node 
> to see which end of the engine is driving the karmic cycle more — 
> the completion of karma or the activation of a new cycle.
>
> Since the nodes move backwards, I am of the feeling that 
> it is the Rahu end of the node, the North node, that is driving 
> the engine of karma right now. 
>
> This means there is a new activation of karmic energy
> coming into the earth plane. 
>
> Of course, the reason we have new cycles is to get rid of the old.
> Let's examine this a little further.
>
> In the most reliable US chart I have seen, 
> there is a Sagittarius rising sign - using the sidereal zodiac. 
>
> This places Rahu in the second house by transit (Sidereal Zodiac) —
> the House of wealth and economics. 
>
> The second house is also related to security, values and
> our value systems. 
>
> It is these value systems that give us stability in life 
> and are ultimately our most valuable resource - 
> both individually and culturally. 
>
> This second house is opposite the eighth house of insecurity, 
> chaos and the things we cannot control. 
>
> The eighth house represents the dramatic upheavals 
> that force us to clarify and stabilize our value systems (2nd house)
>
> and ultimately lead to our highest life lessons (9th house - 
> the results of the eighth house).
>
> I see this dynamic playing out with the current economic crisis 
> and the impending change of leadership in our country ...
>
> continues at: 
> http://vedicastrologycenter.net/blog/astrology-forecast/kala-sarpa-yoga-us-economy-and-election
>
>
>
>
>   




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[FairfieldLife] a jyotish perspective of the current economic unstressing

[george_deforest]

Kala Sarpa Yoga - US Economy and Election
Blogged on October 11th, 2008 by vedic astrologer Sam Geppi

"Currently in the sky we have what's called 
a Kala Sarpa Yoga in Vedic Astrology. 
Kala Sarpa means "The Serpent of Time". 

All of the planets are in between the Nodes of Rahu and Ketu. 

When this happens there is a lot of karma being activated. 

Since time is always cyclical, from the past into the future, 
there is a mixture of both playing out at any time. Yet, 
we would look at the direction of the node 
to see which end of the engine is driving the karmic cycle more — 
the completion of karma or the activation of a new cycle.

Since the nodes move backwards, I am of the feeling that 
it is the Rahu end of the node, the North node, that is driving 
the engine of karma right now. 

This means there is a new activation of karmic energy
coming into the earth plane. 

Of course, the reason we have new cycles is to get rid of the old.
Let's examine this a little further.

In the most reliable US chart I have seen, 
there is a Sagittarius rising sign - using the sidereal zodiac. 

This places Rahu in the second house by transit (Sidereal Zodiac) —
the House of wealth and economics. 

The second house is also related to security, values and
our value systems. 

It is these value systems that give us stability in life 
and are ultimately our most valuable resource - 
both individually and culturally. 

This second house is opposite the eighth house of insecurity, 
chaos and the things we cannot control. 

The eighth house represents the dramatic upheavals 
that force us to clarify and stabilize our value systems (2nd house)

and ultimately lead to our highest life lessons (9th house - 
the results of the eighth house).

I see this dynamic playing out with the current economic crisis 
and the impending change of leadership in our country ...

continues at: 
http://vedicastrologycenter.net/blog/astrology-forecast/kala-sarpa-yoga-us-economy-and-election

Re: [FairfieldLife] Lou Valentino - Full Moon Messages from the Pleiadinan's/Full Moon in Aries October 14th

[Vaj]

On Oct 13, 2008, at 3:10 PM, Rick Archer wrote:


I particularly enjoyed this part of the dialog:

Pleiadian’s: You can’t get the new girl you met off of your mind  
can you?

Lou: No. I hope she wants to date me.
Pleiadian’s: We will try to work this out. It looks very favorable.  
Yes……..Lou she is a very bright light and has been thinking of you.  
Mother is helping with this connection. Get your tooth pulled. It’s  
blocking your connection with life.
So, if any of you reading this are having romantic problems,  
there’s your solution. Have a tooth pulled!



Should I still continue with the leeches on the spine?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Race Card...Again

[bob_brigante]

> Thanks, Curtis. I share your sentiment - and I truly believe that
> Obama's candidacy will have an historically significant key positive
> outcome.
> 
> 



Maybe Obama's candidacy will have historical significance, but don't be 
counting those chickens just yet -- remember Tom Bradley? -- McCoot can 
still pick up those tossup states and win this thing (it's a very 
ignorant country):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradley_effect

RE: [FairfieldLife] Lou Valentino - Full Moon Messages from the Pleiadinan's/Full Moon in Aries October 14th

[Rick Archer]

I particularly enjoyed this part of the dialog:

 

Pleiadian’s: You can’t get the new girl you met off of your mind can you?

Lou: No. I hope she wants to date me. 

Pleiadian’s: We will try to work this out. It looks very favorable. Yes……..Lou 
she is a very bright light and has been thinking of you. Mother is helping with 
this connection. Get your tooth pulled. It’s blocking your connection with life.

So, if any of you reading this are having romantic problems, there’s your 
solution. Have a tooth pulled!

Re: [FairfieldLife] URGENT MESSAGE FROM RAJA HAGELIN

[gullible fool]

 
I was all set to grab my checkbook and load up the car and drive the 1275 miles 
to the dome, but then I couldn't figure whether my added coherence would make 
the stock market go up or go down. 
 
"Love will swallow you, eat you up completely, until there is no `you,' only 
love." 
 
- Amma  

--- On Mon, 10/13/08, Dick Mays <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

From: Dick Mays <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [FairfieldLife] URGENT MESSAGE FROM RAJA HAGELIN
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, October 13, 2008, 1:28 PM





From: Invincible America <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>





An Open Letter to the Yogic Flyers of the Nation
from the Raja of Invincible America


October 12, 2008


Dear Fellow Yogic Flyers,


As everyone surely knows, America-and our entire, deeply interconnected world 
family-are in the midst of an historic global phase transition. The financial 
markets-and the entire world economy-are in upheaval.


The press often asks me about the cause of the stock market meltdown, despite 
our consistently high numbers in the Domes-given that we had taken credit for 
the record market highs just one year ago.


The rise of coherence has fueled a long-overdue purification in national life


The answer is simple-and consistent with the Maharishi Effect research. On the 
one hand, the number of Yogic Flyers has been high enough to create a powerful 
upsurge of coherence in national consciousness, fueling national creativity, 
stabilizing the national mood, and bolstering the national economy. But the 
rise in coherence has also fueled a long-overdue purification in national 
life-in particular, in the very questionable principles and practices that 
drive our economic policies.


Maharishi repeatedly made it clear that the old principles that guided life 
during the past age of ignorance will be discarded and the small-thinking 
leaders who espouse them will be "hooted out" of office with the rise of 
collective consciousness. Maharishi said new enlightened principles of 
administration, along with new, enlightened leadership, would come forward to 
guide life.


We are now watching Maharishi's words come true.


Our success is ultimately dependent on you


I am writing you from Wall Street, where I am living and working with members 
of my national team at the Global Financial Capital of New York, one block from 
the New York Stock Exchange. We are starting to make remarkably good progress 
in our efforts to bring Maharishi's knowledge of enlightenment and 
invincibility to leaders here whose thinking and actions vitally impact the 
whole world. However, ultimately, our success is dependent on you. We will be 
successful when the leaders are receptive to our message. But their openness is 
100% dependent upon the numbers in the Domes. Why? Because a rise in national 
consciousness directly translates into a rise in openness among leaders of 
business, health, education, defense, government, etc.


At this critical time I urge everyone to fly together in large groups


Maharishi said we need 2500 experts flying together to guarantee invincibility 
for America. This requirement is because the turbulence in the collective 
consciousness of one country can easily spread like a wildfire to create a 
similar turbulence in another country. And this is why, at this critical time, 
with the economic stability of the world hanging in the balance, I urge 
everyone in Iowa and everyone in the country to recommit to fly together in 
large groups.


Needless to say, I am deeply appreciative of how much you are already doing 
with the knowledge Maharishi has given us to create a new world of peace, 
happiness, and prosperity for everyone.


However, at this time, I ask you to do more. Please join the Invincible America 
Assembly if you have not already done so. And if you can't, please be sure to 
fly every day, twice a day, in a large group!


Thank youŠ and with best wishes for your health, happiness and enlightenment,


Jai Guru Dev


John Hagelin, Ph.D.
Raja of Invincible America


P.S. Buried in the media tsunami of dire economic news has been a series of 
stunningly positive reports about the reduced tensions and violence in nuclear 
hotspots-and the dramatic turnaround in America's relationships with once 
hostile nations. For example, North Korea, described a short while ago by the 
U.S. as a member of the "Axis of Evil," is now forging friendlier ties with 
America and has been removed from our government's list of state-sponsored 
terrorists. At the same time, violence and war deaths have dropped sharply in 
Iraq and there has been a palpable diffusion of tensions between the U.S. and 
Iran.


Finally, on the domestic front, as the grueling presidential campaign draws to 
a close, negative campaigning-which dominated the news as recently as a week 
ago-is now being soundly rejected by voters, who instead are demanding from the 
candidates a positive, more enlightened vision of the nation

[FairfieldLife] Re: A good explanation of the afterlife.

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Stu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Really enjoyed this article that put a healthy perspective on life after
> death.
> 
> http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=never-say-die

This article was so brilliant, thanks for posting it!

I think of people's belief in an afterlife as an artifact of our
wonderfully creative abilities to imagine our futures.  As a way to
steer our lives, it is a critical cognitive faculty.  We can imagine
our lives better for taking certain actions.  It gives hope to people
who are in desperate situations.  It is a good thing for us.  I
believe that it can also lead us to make up a bunch of stuff about
what happens when we die...and then believe our own nonsense. 

What's so bad about just being dead forever?  

>

Re: [FairfieldLife] URGENT MESSAGE FROM RAJA HAGELIN

[Bhairitu]

Vaj wrote:
>
> On Oct 13, 2008, at 1:28 PM, Dick Mays wrote:
>
>> The rise of coherence has fueled a long-overdue purification in 
>> national life
>
>
> Hate to say "I told you so", but "I TOLD YOU SO"!  (msg 193626)
>
> These guys are about as predictable as they come.
Don't show this message to the Bush administration as Bush will have a 
press conference and announce to the public that the TM movement was 
responsible for the global economic crash and will send out the DHS to 
arrest TM'ers everywhere starting with Hagelin and Bevan.  :-D

Of course the reason for the economic collapse was the ponzi scheme that 
banks came up with to sell loans, many times over so that one dollar was 
loaned out 30 times.  That was criminal but they did it "because they 
could."  And according to Bill Seidman who was with a group that created 
that concept, Greenspan thought it was great.  Now the world really 
hates America because we didn't just sell those loans to Americans but 
the whole world.  In a way it really is like a Divine Comedy in play 
because it shows how stupid the bankers were in this and why they should 
never be trusted again.  And if they are going to nationalize the banks, 
how about health care?  I'd like to see that nationalized too.

New video explaining the monetary system with some good ideas (Judy, 
don't watch this):
http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/
You can watch it on Google or download the Dixv file via torrent and a 
DVD is available to order.   Some interesting ideas in it.  Check out 
the Venus Project mentioned in the film:
http://www.futurebydesign.org

Obama announced in Toledo some immediate steps to heal the economy:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081013/ap_on_el_pr/obama

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Palin Booed at Hockey Game

[Bhairitu]

curtisdeltablues wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> "Hockey Mom" Sarah Palin gets booed at Philadelphia Flyers game.  The 
>> MSM covered this but brought music up over the boos.  This is from a
>> 
> fan 
>   
>> who took video from his seat:
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXNetpeu_mk
>> 
>
> Now we know why she has been too busy to do in depth press interviews
> for the voters to get a detailed understanding of her knowledge and
> perspectives.
NBC should have told Palin that to do SNL she had to do "Meet the Press" 
first.

This morning at Starbucks I thought there was two tables of Republicans  
but they turned out of be a bunch from the mentally disabled school.  
Hard to tell the difference these days.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Race Card...Again

[Sal Sunshine]

On Oct 13, 2008, at 12:32 PM, Peter wrote:

I've noticed this myself with teaching mostly African-American and  
Caribbean-American students for the past 10 years. It's not that I  
was a racist, but I have noticed a subtle positive shift in my  
awareness and feeling towards African-Americans and Caribbean- 
Americans. I actually had a very good talk with some of my students  
about this last year. Some of the African-American students said  
that after they worked and spent time with Whites, their attitude  
started to shift in a more positive direction.


And then they ran into you, and it all
shifted back, right Peter?

Just kidding!

Sal

[FairfieldLife] That is, how it is!

[ve-da]

 .



How to manipulate the world:


An Insider from the Elite-Families says ...




It is  rather long but worth to read ...


See here:

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J.G.D.









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Re: [FairfieldLife] URGENT MESSAGE FROM RAJA HAGELIN

[Vaj]

On Oct 13, 2008, at 1:28 PM, Dick Mays wrote:

The rise of coherence has fueled a long-overdue purification in  
national life



Hate to say "I told you so", but "I TOLD YOU SO"!  (msg 193626)

These guys are about as predictable as they come.

[FairfieldLife] Re: URGENT MESSAGE FROM RAJA HAGELIN

[Hugo]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> From: Invincible America <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> 
> 
> An Open Letter to the Yogic Flyers of the Nation
> from the Raja of Invincible America
> 
> October 12, 2008
> 
> Dear Fellow Yogic Flyers,
> 
> As everyone surely knows, America-and our entire, 
> deeply interconnected world family-are in the 
> midst of an historic global phase transition. The 
> financial markets-and the entire world 
> economy-are in upheaval.
> 
> The press often asks me about the cause of the 
> stock market meltdown, despite our consistently 
> high numbers in the Domes-given that we had taken 
> credit for the record market highs just one year 
> ago.
> 
> The rise of coherence has fueled a long-overdue purification in 
national life

So they are actually claiming responsibility for this mess!

I kind of feel weird after reading this. I can see how
a TB might be reassured that peace is within our grasp, 
just one more course and the world emerge through the storm
into bright sunlight, the phase transition complete...

But to me it seems like a letter from someone I used to know
who is now confined to a mental hospital. I was hoping they
were better but this news causes me to shake my head with 
sorrow and accept they might be in the rubber room for many 
years to come. I can only hope there is some sort of new 
treatment just over the horizon that will bring them back to
sanity.

 
> The answer is simple-and consistent with the 
> Maharishi Effect research. On the one hand, the 
> number of Yogic Flyers has been high enough to 
> create a powerful upsurge of coherence in 
> national consciousness, fueling national 
> creativity, stabilizing the national mood, and 
> bolstering the national economy. But the rise in 
> coherence has also fueled a long-overdue 
> purification in national life-in particular, in 
> the very questionable principles and practices 
> that drive our economic policies.
> 
> Maharishi repeatedly made it clear that the old 
> principles that guided life during the past age 
> of ignorance will be discarded and the 
> small-thinking leaders who espouse them will be 
> "hooted out" of office with the rise of 
> collective consciousness. Maharishi said new 
> enlightened principles of administration, along 
> with new, enlightened leadership, would come 
> forward to guide life.
> 
> We are now watching Maharishi's words come true.
> 
> Our success is ultimately dependent on you
> 
> I am writing you from Wall Street, where I am 
> living and working with members of my national 
> team at the 
> Global 
> Financial Capital of New York, one block from the 
> New York Stock Exchange. We are starting to make 
> remarkably good progress in our efforts to bring 
> Maharishi's knowledge of enlightenment and 
> invincibility to leaders here whose thinking and 
> actions vitally impact the whole world. 

> However, 
> ultimately, our success is dependent on you. We 
> will be successful when the leaders are receptive 
> to our message. But their openness is 100% 
> dependent upon the numbers in the Domes. Why? 
> Because a rise in national consciousness directly 
> translates into a rise in openness among leaders 
> of business, health, education, defense, 
> government, etc.
> 
> At this critical time I urge everyone to fly together in large 
groups
> 
> Maharishi said we need 2500 experts flying 
> together to guarantee invincibility for America. 
> This requirement is because the turbulence in the 
> collective consciousness of one country can 
> easily spread like a wildfire to create a similar 
> turbulence in another country. And this is why, 
> at this critical time, with the economic 
> stability of the world hanging in the balance, I 
> urge everyone in Iowa and everyone in the country 
> to recommit to fly together in large groups.
> 
> Needless to say, I am deeply appreciative of how 
> much you are already doing with the knowledge 
> Maharishi has given us to create a new world of 
> peace, happiness, and prosperity for everyone.
> 
> However, at this time, I ask you to do more. 
> Please join the Invincible America Assembly if 
> you have not already done so. And if you can't, 
> please be sure to fly every day, twice a day, in 
> a large group!
> 
> Thank youŠ and with best wishes for your health, happiness and 
enlightenment,
> 
> Jai Guru Dev
> 
> John Hagelin, Ph.D.
> Raja of Invincible America
> 
> P.S. Buried in the media tsunami of dire economic 
> news has been a series of stunningly positive 
> reports about the reduced tensions and violence 
> in nuclear hotspots-and the dramatic turnaround 
> in America's relationships with once hostile 
> nations. For example, North Korea, described a 
> short while ago by the U.S. as a member of the 
> "Axis of Evil," is now forging friendlier ties 
> with America and has been removed from our 
> gover

Re: [FairfieldLife] "I'm Going To Scream At You Until You Stop Calling Me Crazy!" promo

[Sal Sunshine]

On Oct 13, 2008, at 9:57 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:


* Explains that we'd all understand how maligned she
has been here if we just read her posts: "P-P-PUHLEASE
read my posts!" and that if we read them and still don't
understand we should go back and read them again.


Fat chance of that happening, at least with me...


* Tries to pick fights with Sal and Curtis and Bhairitu
and Vaj and Lawson and...well...you get the picture.


Sadly it seems Ruth has once again flown.  Too bad, really,
her contributions are always amongst the best.

Sal

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Race Card...Again

[Peter]

--- On Mon, 10/13/08, curtisdeltablues <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: curtisdeltablues <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Race Card...Again
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, October 13, 2008, 12:47 PM
> > Around 30 years ago I lived with a beautiful black
> woman for about 4
> > years. She was extremely beautiful physically, but
> more importantly
> to> me she was magnificently beautiful as a human being.
> I had fallen
> > deeply in love with her and wanted to marry her. She
> said no.
> 
> Falling in love with someone of a different race creates a
> profound
> perspective shift IMO.  After a while your perception
> shifts from
> noticing differences to noticing similarities.  You never
> look at a
> person in the other race the same way again.  
> 

I've noticed this myself with teaching mostly African-American and 
Caribbean-American students for the past 10 years. It's not that I was a 
racist, but I have noticed a subtle positive shift in my awareness and feeling 
towards African-Americans and Caribbean-Americans. I actually had a very good 
talk with some of my students about this last year. Some of the 
African-American students said that after they worked and spent time with 
Whites, their attitude started to shift in a more positive direction.  


  

[FairfieldLife] Urgent Message from Raja Hagelin

[The Secret]

An Open Letter to the Yogic Flyers of the Nation
from the Raja of Invincible America

October 12, 2008

Dear Fellow Yogic Flyers,

As everyone surely knows, America—and our entire, deeply
interconnected world family—are in the midst of an historic global
phase transition. The financial markets—and the entire world
economy—are in upheaval.

The press often asks me about the cause of the stock market meltdown,
despite our consistently high numbers in the Domes—given that we had
taken credit for the record market highs just one year ago.

The rise of coherence has fueled a long-overdue purification in
national life

The answer is simple—and consistent with the Maharishi Effect
research. On the one hand, the number of Yogic Flyers has been high
enough to create a powerful upsurge of coherence in national
consciousness, fueling national creativity, stabilizing the national
mood, and bolstering the national economy. But the rise in coherence
has also fueled a long-overdue purification in national life—in
particular, in the very questionable principles and practices that
drive our economic policies.

Maharishi repeatedly made it clear that the old principles that guided
life during the past age of ignorance will be discarded and the
small-thinking leaders who espouse them will be "hooted out" of office
with the rise of collective consciousness. Maharishi said new
enlightened principles of administration, along with new, enlightened
leadership, would come forward to guide life.

We are now watching Maharishi's words come true.

Our success is ultimately dependent on you

I am writing you from Wall Street, where I am living and working with
members of my national team at the Global Financial Capital of New
York, one block from the New York Stock Exchange. We are starting to
make remarkably good progress in our efforts to bring Maharishi's
knowledge of enlightenment and invincibility to leaders here whose
thinking and actions vitally impact the whole world. However,
ultimately, our success is dependent on you. We will be successful
when the leaders are receptive to our message. But their openness is
100% dependent upon the numbers in the Domes. Why? Because a rise in
national consciousness directly translates into a rise in openness
among leaders of business, health, education, defense, government, etc.

At this critical time I urge everyone to fly together in large groups

Maharishi said we need 2500 experts flying together to guarantee
invincibility for America. This requirement is because the turbulence
in the collective consciousness of one country can easily spread like
a wildfire to create a similar turbulence in another country. And this
is why, at this critical time, with the economic stability of the
world hanging in the balance, I urge everyone in Iowa and everyone in
the country to recommit to fly together in large groups.

Needless to say, I am deeply appreciative of how much you are already
doing with the knowledge Maharishi has given us to create a new world
of peace, happiness, and prosperity for everyone. 

However, at this time, I ask you to do more. Please join the
Invincible America Assembly if you have not already done so. And if
you can't, please be sure to fly every day, twice a day, in a large group!

Thank you… and with best wishes for your health, happiness and
enlightenment,

Jai Guru Dev

John Hagelin, Ph.D.
Raja of Invincible America

P.S. Buried in the media tsunami of dire economic news has been a
series of stunningly positive reports about the reduced tensions and
violence in nuclear hotspots—and the dramatic turnaround in America's
relationships with once hostile nations. For example, North Korea,
described a short while ago by the U.S. as a member of the "Axis of
Evil," is now forging friendlier ties with America and has been
removed from our government's list of state-sponsored terrorists. At
the same time, violence and war deaths have dropped sharply in Iraq
and there has been a palpable diffusion of tensions between the U.S.
and Iran.

Finally, on the domestic front, as the grueling presidential campaign
draws to a close, negative campaigning—which dominated the news as
recently as a week ago—is now being soundly rejected by voters, who
instead are demanding from the candidates a positive, more enlightened
vision of the nation's future along with a more substantive (and
proven, prevention-oriented) approach to the nation's pressing problems.

Maharishi said it was inevitable that the world would rise to
invincibility. The only question was how long it would take. That
choice has been left up to us. We can make this current phase
transition as fast and as smooth as possible for everyone—by flying
together in large groups to create coherent, invincible national and
world consciousness. 

Let us all join together now, and fly in the biggest groups possible!