[FairfieldLife] Re: Priest Becomes Episcopalian to Marry
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: To All: Does he really think marriage will solve his problems? His problem is the Catholic Church. Ditching the Catholic Church solves his problem. Exactly. And JohnR claims that I misrepresented him by characterizing him as an uptight prude. What this priest has done is no more serious than switching from Coke to Pepsi. JohnR seems to be affronted that he would do such a thing because as we all know from its marketing campaigns, Coke is the real thing. Sound familiar? Don't we hear the same things from people who call ex-TMers traitors? All Catholic priests have the thing that JohnR would like to forbid them -- freedom of choice. They are free to choose an artificial lifestyle that they have been told is somehow better and more noble than the lifestyle of others and live in a bubble of elitism, or they can choose to reject that dogma and live like other men and enjoy the love of a woman. Neither of those choices says a damned thing about the priest's love for God.
[FairfieldLife] Re: History of the Brahmasthan of India
Translation: Send more money and don't ask questions.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM mantras and meaning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:
On May 28, 2009, at 6:21 PM, BillyG. wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@
wrote:
http://snipurl.com/iyubq
[adventuresintranscendentalmeditation_blogspot_com]
I think Maharishi has already defined TM as the greatest blessing
of the *eternal Religion* represented by the Vedas.
It would be exact to say that all the religions from times
immemorial are just different branches of the main trunk of the
*eternal religion* represented by the Vedas. page four
This is the greatest blessing of the Vedas, this system of
meditation is the greatest blessing of the Vedas. page five
That's pretty funny considering TM is tantric.
Oh well. It sounded impressive!
Isn't the basic principle of TM introduced by RSi Diirghatamas
in Rgveda I 164, 39 and 45?
R^i\`co a\`kShare\' para\`me vyoma\`n yasmi\'n de\`vaa adhi\` vishve\'
niShe\`duH |\\
yas tan na veda\` kim R^i\`caa ka\'riShyati\` ya it tad vi\`dus ta i\`me sam
aa\'sate || \EN{1}{164}{39} \\
--
ca\`tvaari\` vaak pari\'mitaa pa\`daani\` taani\' vidur braahma\`Naa ye
ma\'nii\`ShiNaH\' |\\
*** guhaa\` triiNi\` nihi\'taa\` ne~Nga\'yanti *** tu\`riiyaM\' vaa\`co
ma\'nu\`Shyaa vadanti || \EN{1}{164}{45} \\
ne~Nga\'yanti - na + in.gayanti (ing-gayanti)
[FairfieldLife] Sometimes I think that the Merv wave is to blame for TM prudishness
Think about it. The TM movement at this point is dying, composed of primarily the last remnants of the Beatles wave and the Merv wave of initiations. The first group are now approaching 60 or past it, and the second wave are now in their 50s at least. But there is a significant difference between the two generations in my opinion. Many of us Beatles wave folks (the original Star Trek cast) found our way to TM and its dogma *after* having experienced the late 60s and its refresh- ing blast of freedom from prudery and sexual repression. The Merv wave folks (Star Trek, The Next Generation) appeared on the scene as young and impressionable as the original Star Trek cast, but in the days when the 60s sense of freedom and lack of prudery had already passed, and had been replaced with nouveau cynicism. Many of this latter wave *were* young and very impressionable, and bought in to the TM prudery. They came to believe wholeheartedly in stuff like celibacy as a Good Thing, sex outside of marriage as a Bad Thing, lust as a *very* Bad Thing, and having sex with more than one person as *such* a Bad Thing that it was right up there with mass murder. I may only be speaking for myself, but I never bought into any of this bullshit. I am an unre- pentent child of the 60s, an ex-hippie who had time to form my own sexual and social identity *before* I ever got inducted into the Star Trek crew. As a result, even though a TMer, I got to enjoy the sexually-liberated but shallow 70s, and boink my way through them happily. I never for a moment bought into the Thou shalt not have a girlfriend...that's beneath the stature of a knower of reality dogma that was being sold at TM teacher training courses. I got more nookie on TM residence courses and ATR courses than most people on this forum have gotten in their entire lives. And I do not feel the *least* bit sorry about it. Say what you will, characterizes me as *what* you will, I am myself and comfortable with that. I've had long-term relationships and been married once and I've had one-night stands. *None* of these relationships are better in my mind than any other. And there is nothing any of you can say to make them better, or me worse because I can't see the theoretical difference that you see. Go peddle your TM prudery elsewhere. And I don't think I'm alone in feeling this way. When I run into people from my generation, I find that many of them somehow avoided this silly TM prudery and live according to their *own* rules of conduct and according to their own feelings about what is an acceptable lifestyle. So I'm wondering what the difference is between us Star Trekkers and the Next Generation. And I think that the bottom line may very well be that the Next Generation missed the late 60s. They grew up in a later, more cynical era in which the brief sense of freedom and hope that we all exper- ienced in the late 60s had faded and been replaced with standard American hopelessness. So they were better fodder for the prudish propaganda and repressive lifestyles peddled by the TM movement. That's my theory and I'm stickin' to it. But I'm humble enough to admit that it could be wrong. The difference between the folks in the original Beatles wavers and the later Merv wavers could simply be that we were smarter. :-)
[FairfieldLife] When propaganda and trying to spin your image backfires
There is a lesson here for TM slimeball lawyers who threaten TM-Free and others who dare to speak freely about the TM movement. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05/29/wikipedia_bans_scientology/ In an unprecedented effort to crack down on self-serving edits, the Wikipedia supreme court has banned contributions from all IP addresses owned or operated by the Church of Scientology and its associates. Closing out the longest-running court case in Wikiland history, the site's Arbitration Committee voted 10 to 0 (with one abstention) in favor of the move, which takes effect immediately. The eighth most popular site on the web, Wikipedia bills itself as the free encyclopedia anyone can edit. Administrators frequently ban individual Wikifiddlers for their individual Wikisins. And the site's UK press officer/resident goth once silenced an entire Utah mountain in a bizarre attempt to protect a sockpuppeting ex-BusinessWeek reporter. But according to multiple administrators speaking with The Reg, the muzzling of Scientology IPs marks the first time Wikipedia has officially barred edits from such a high-profile organization for allegedly pushing its own agenda on the site. The Church of Scientology has not responded to our request for comment. Officially, Wikipedia frowns on those who edit in order to promote their own interests. The site sees itself as an encyclopedia with a neutral point of view - whatever that is. Use of the encyclopedia to advance personal agendas such as advocacy or propaganda and philosophical, ideological or religious dispute or to publish or promote original research is prohibited, say the Wikipowersthatbe. Admins may ban a Wikifiddler who betrays an extreme conflict of interest, and since fiddlers often hide their identity behind open proxies, such IPs may be banned as a preventative measure. After today's ruling from the Arbitration Committee - known in Orwellian fashion as the ArbCom - Scientology IPs are to be blocked as if they were open proxies (though individual editors can request an exemption). According to evidence turned up by admins in this long- running Wikiland court case, multiple editors have been openly editing [Scientology-related articles] from Church of Scientology equipment and apparently coordinating their activities. Leaning on the famed WikiScanner, countless news stories have discussed the editing of Scientology articles from Scientology IPs, and some site admins are concerned this is damaging Wikipedia's reputation for neutrality. One admin tells The Reg that policing edits from Scientology machines has been particularly difficult because myriad editors sit behind a small number of IPs and, for some reason, the address of each editor is constantly changing. This prevents admins from determining whether a single editor is using multiple Wikipedia accounts to game the system. In Wikiland, such sockpuppeting is not allowed. The Wikicourt considered banning edits from Scientology IPs only on Scientology-related articles. But this would require admins to checkuser editors - i.e. determine their IP - every time an edit is made. And even then they may not know who's who. Our alternatives are to block them entirely, or checkuser every 'pro-Scientology' editor on this topic. I find the latter unacceptable, wrote one ArbComer. It is quite broad, but it seems that they're funneling a lot of editing traffic through a few IPs, which make socks impossible to track. And it may be a moot point. Most the editors in question edit nothing but Scientology-related articles. In Wikiparlance, they're single purpose accounts. Some have argued that those editing from Scientology IPs may be doing so without instruction from the Church hierarchy. But a former member of Scientology's Office of Special Affairs - a department officially responsible for directing and coordinating all legal matters affecting the Church - says the Office has organized massive efforts to remove Scientology-related materials and criticism from the web. The guys I worked with posted every day all day, Tory Christman tells The Reg. It was like a machine. I worked with someone who used five separate computers, five separate anonymous identities...to refute any facts from the internet about the Church of Scientology. Christman left the Church in 2000, before Wikipedia was created. This is the fourth Scientology-related Wikicourtcase in as many years, and in addition to an outright ban on Scientology IPs, the court has barred a host of anti- Scientology editors from editing topics related to the Church. Many Wikifiddlers have vehemently criticized this sweeping crackdown. Historically, the site's cult-like inner circle has aspired to some sort of Web 2.0 utopia in which everyone has an unfettered voice. An organization editing Wikipedia articles where it has a conflict of interest is hardly unusual, and in the past such behavior
[FairfieldLife] Creation of a mouse with a human gene for language
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/29/science/29mouse.html http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/29/science/29mouse.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: When propaganda and trying to spin your image backfires
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: There is a lesson here for TM slimeball lawyers who threaten TM-Free and others who dare to speak freely about the TM movement. There is a saying in libel law: The truth is an absolute defense. If the TM-free unfortunates had any confidence in what they were saying, they could continue to do so instead of crawling back under their rock. But, in fact, they are lying and they know they are lying, which is why TM lawyers asked them not to lie. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_defense_(legal)
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM mantras and meaning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, metoostill metoost...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: Is some aspect of ayurvedic medicine religious because tradition says it was presented to some vaidya by a god? Umm, uh, well...huh?? Not sure where you are going with that one :) (smiley face added to reduce f-word road rage, as we are probably friends) And, as I pointed out, what the f- are you doing telling me what is religiously significant about any practice I choose to indulge in? There are many things we don't self assign. One of them is whether or not what we are doing has religious significance. Because words have meanings (no pun intended, I swear). We don't get to self determine whether what we are doing is religious or not religious. I suppose you could make a strained case that chanting the names of Hindu gods was not religious. I could maybe somehow get my head around that, just a rest technique, I didn't know the meaning, etc. But a major determinate between philosophy and religion is the presence of soteriological content. Notions relating to salvation. Our community is undeniably shot through with that one. We don't get to determine whehter what we are doing is religious or not religious? Goodness. Seldom have I encountered someone whose world-view is so far removed from my won. Even most fundamentalists can accept that *for me* TM practice isn't religious. and which community do you think I belong to? As a proud, card carrying member of the Unitarian Universalist Church, I take pride in my ability to truely understand and live The Unitarian Universalist Way (TM). ;-) Not sure what is so shameful about being religious. Well actually it does have a troubled association, both cultural and political, so maybe I can see the politics involved. Like as not, you've missed the point about the Unitarian Universalist Church, which is that while it lays claim to being a legally established church with all the constitutional protections that provides, it doesn't require that its members embrace or eschew any particular religious or philosophical dogma. IOW, legally it is a church, but few religious scholars would insist that it is a religion, organized or otherwise. L
[FairfieldLife] Announcing the TM Prude(tm) technique
The World Government of the Age of Enlightenment takes pride in announcing today a new and radically different program, one that could Change The World(tm). After analyzing decades of research on long-term practitioners of the TM meditation technique, what the researchers have found is that although specific benefits varied from meditator to meditator, one thing seemed to remain constant. Many of these long-term meditators had become over the course of decades soulless, joyless prudes. Thus we take pride in announcing the TM Prude(tm) technique. For only $1000 (a mere 2/3 of the price of learning the TM meditation technique), you can now skip all that annoying sitting-to-meditate- twice-a-day stuff and cut to the chase -- Instant Prudery(tm). The Benefits The TM Prude(tm) technique involves no meditation, and no effort on your part. (As you may remember from TM introductory lectures, effort is a Bad Thing, almost as much of a Bad Thing as sex.) All that you need to practice it is a simple CD player and the ability to not think (experience deep sleep). Just put one of our TM Prude(tm) CDs in the player before you go to sleep, and *as* you sleep you will be bombarded with subliminal propaganda designed by experts to turn you into a prude. Within a few short weeks you will find yourself believing (and saying in public, without the least hint of irony) things like: * Sex is evil. * Lust is a Bad Thing. * Anyone who is having sex cannot achieve enlightement. * Only Jyotish-approved marriage can work, and even then it's better if you don't boink. * Those who have sex will burn in Hell. * A rising lingam prevents a rising kundalini. The benefits of such beliefs are obvious. Given the nature of our age, and its shift away from free thinking and back to blessedly repressed thought and lifestyles, the TM Prude(tm) technique will allow you to fit in better. You'll be able to fit in with your Christian fundamentalist neighbors; no one will be able to tell the prudish stuff you say and do from the prudish stuff that they say and do. Heck, you'll fit in in Saudi Arabia, where they have banned the walking of pets in public because that can lead to meeting people and having sex with them. Yes, sign up today and learn the TM Prude(tm) technique and soon you too can be experiencing the same benefits that legions of practitioners of the TM meditation technique have experienced. For a fraction of the cost, and with none of the aggravation of having to actually meditate. Advanced Techniques For those who are wondering how we're going to make the big bucks on a technique we're only charging $1000 for, the answer is the same as with the TM meditation tech- nique. We plan to cash in on the demand for Advanced Techniques to enhance your Transcendental Prudery Experience(tm). The first TM Prude(tm) Advanced Technique costs $10,000 and is for those who want to ascend to higher levels of prudery. For that low price our trained professionals will perform a castration operation on you if you are male, and a clitorectomy on you if you are female. Then you won't even be *tempted* by thoughts of backsliding into non-prudery. The second TM Prude(tm) Advanced Technique is for those who are *serious* about abandoning sensory pleasures (and their obvious debilitating effects) forever. For $100,000, our trained professionals will perform a full frontal lobotomy on the TM Prude(tm) practitioner. This will ensure that they will never enjoy anything again in their entire lives, just like those who today epitomize the pinnacle of TM meditation technique achievement, the TM Rajas. Just look at them...do they look like they have the ability to enjoy *anything*? And you can achieve the same highly-evolved state of mind for only 10% of the price that *they* paid to become soulless automatons. Sign up today. This is an opportunity you should not miss. Your very spiritual future and the future of our planet is at stake. Don't let Heaven On Earth(tm) creep up on you with lustful, evil thoughts still in your mind or a woodie still in your pants. Learn the TM Pruce(tm) tech- nique today and you'll be fully prepared to fit in with Maharishi's visionary Heaven On Earth(tm).
[FairfieldLife] Re: When propaganda and trying to spin your image backfires
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: There is a lesson here for TM slimeball lawyers who threaten TM-Free and others who dare to speak freely about the TM movement. There is a saying in libel law: The truth is an absolute defense. If the TM-free unfortunates had any confidence in what they were saying, they could continue to do so instead of crawling back under their rock. But, in fact, they are lying and they know they are lying, which is why TM lawyers asked them not to lie. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_defense_(legal) BINGO !
[FairfieldLife] Familys Marmite Messiah in lid of jar
I often see Jesus' face in a lot of things I do. And there are a few times I can think of when I've seen the face of Jesus in a window. But he's never appeared in my food before. http://tinyurl.com/ouk6pb
[FairfieldLife] New Pentagon plans to conduct war in cyberspace
It's the stuff of science fiction. Or science fiction parody, anyway. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/29/us/politics/29cyber.html?_r=1hp WASHINGTON The Pentagon plans to create a new military command for cyberspace, administration officials said Thursday, stepping up preparations by the armed forces to conduct both offensive and defensive computer warfare. (more at the link, and all interesting) OK, try to imagine the scene. It's 2012, the apocalypse that many here hoped for because it would take away the pressure of having devoted their lives to pursuing enlightenment and never finding it has not occurred, and a war is on. In the control room sit the front-line troops who fight this war. Crack cadets all, they man their weapons as they ready for battle. Dozens of pimply-faced teenagers, recruited into this Special Ops unit as an alternative to doing time for hacking, leap into battle. One, using a joystick instead of a mouse because he's faster on the joystick, shouts: Gotcha, you cyberloser...that'll teach you to mess with the Red Baron Of Cyberspace! His buddy at the next desk says, Heh heh. Heh heh heh. He said 'cyberloser.' Rations of Jolt cola and Red Bull and Cheetos are brought directly to the troops' desks so that they never have to leave them. (Not that they would anyway, because none of them have lives.) They are brought around on carts by buxom young babes who all look like Pamela Anderson, and who have been trained to flirt with the Cyberwarriors and hint that they might get lucky if they just bring down that pesky server in Beijing that been such a nuisance lately. (In actuality none of the nerds ever *have* gotten lucky, but just like TMers and their myths about people who have levitated, they refuse to lose faith in the *possibility* that they might get lucky... someday...if they just crash enough enemy servers or identity-theft the enemy's leaders into submission or bankruptcy.) Unlike the regular Army, which has had trouble finding new recruits for decades because of the possibility of...uh...getting your ass killed, this new cadre of Nerd Warriors is never lacking for new fodder. They say it's the promise of possibly getting lucky with one of the serving wenches that inspires them to enlist, but personally I think it's the free Cheetos.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM mantras and meaning
On May 29, 2009, at 2:22 AM, cardemaister wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:
On May 28, 2009, at 6:21 PM, BillyG. wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@
wrote:
http://snipurl.com/iyubq
[adventuresintranscendentalmeditation_blogspot_com]
I think Maharishi has already defined TM as the greatest blessing
of the *eternal Religion* represented by the Vedas.
It would be exact to say that all the religions from times
immemorial are just different branches of the main trunk of the
*eternal religion* represented by the Vedas. page four
This is the greatest blessing of the Vedas, this system of
meditation is the greatest blessing of the Vedas. page five
That's pretty funny considering TM is tantric.
Oh well. It sounded impressive!
Isn't the basic principle of TM introduced by RSi Diirghatamas
in Rgveda I 164, 39 and 45?
R^i\`co a\`kShare\' para\`me vyoma\`n yasmi\'n de\`vaa adhi\` vishve
\' niShe\`duH |\\
yas tan na veda\` kim R^i\`caa ka\'riShyati\` ya it tad vi\`dus
ta i\`me sam aa\'sate || \EN{1}{164}{39} \\
--
ca\`tvaari\` vaak pari\'mitaa pa\`daani\` taani\' vidur braahma
\`Naa ye ma\'nii\`ShiNaH\' |\\
*** guhaa\` triiNi\` nihi\'taa\` ne~Nga\'yanti *** tu\`riiyaM\'
vaa\`co ma\'nu\`Shyaa vadanti || \EN{1}{164}{45} \\
ne~Nga\'yanti - na + in.gayanti (ing-gayanti)
Do you believe the goal of TM is to get you into the highest heaven
where the Devas lie? Do you actually believe this idea of a highest
heaven is the same as the unified field?
Personally, I find that a bit of a stretch.
I do believe devout Brahmins would try to say that it was some
relation to meditation, but to me, that's really just post hoc
revisionism. It sounds more to me like an Indian version of Moses
got the Ten Commandments from the burning bush on Mount Sinai.
What we're more likely seeing IMO is an attempt by the Brahmin
overlords to connect tantric ideas to their scriptures through tricks
of exegesis.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Familys Marmite Messiah in lid of jar
[Marmite] What's amusing about it is that it's not so much the face of Jesus that people keep seeing in marmite jars, puddles of mud, or on the sides of refridgerators as it is the face of Jesus as depicted by some Renaissance artist some 600 years ago which has stuck in the popular imagination as what Jesus supposedly looked like. It's like the depiction of flying saucers. As our own technology changes and improves, the types of flying saucers curiously also improve and modernize as well. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard M compost...@... wrote: I often see Jesus' face in a lot of things I do. And there are a few times I can think of when I've seen the face of Jesus in a window. But he's never appeared in my food before. http://tinyurl.com/ouk6pb
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sometimes I think that the Merv wave is to blame for TM prudishness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: [snip] And I think that the bottom line may very well be that the Next Generation missed the late 60s. They grew up in a later, more cynical era in which the brief sense of freedom and hope that we all exper- ienced in the late 60s had faded and been replaced with standard American hopelessness. That's an hilarious [however mingled with sadness], true comment. So they were better fodder for the prudish propaganda and repressive lifestyles peddled by the TM movement. Not just by the TMO. They became a pliable political tool in the USA, especially for the authoritarian right wing GOP loonies who represent the me first, fuck everybody else mentality. And THAT has ALSO shown itself to be the inevitable disastrous failure it could only turn out to be. That's my theory and I'm stickin' to it. But I'm humble enough to admit that it could be wrong. The difference between the folks in the original Beatles wavers and the later Merv wavers could simply be that we were smarter. :-) Or that we were willing to take the unconventional risks necessary to pursue our dreams.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: When propaganda and trying to spin your image backfires
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 2:30 AM, bob_brigante no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote: There is a saying in libel law: The truth is an absolute defense. If the TM-free unfortunates had any confidence in what they were saying, they could continue to do so instead of crawling back under their rock. But, in fact, they are lying and they know they are lying, which is why TM lawyers asked them not to lie. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_defense_(legal)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_defense_%28legal%29 There's a reality in the American legal system that unless you have the time and money to launch a lengthy legal defense with lots of high priced lawyers you will lose not because you're not right but because you can't afford to keep up the fight. The COS does this sort of think all the time. The RIAA has recently been slapped down by a federal court after years of legal intimidation tactics. The RIAA lawyers involved are facing sanction by the court for what amounts to malicious prosecution. People with no ethics will stop at nothing to get their way. Including, apparently you, Bob Brigante.
[FairfieldLife] What were the lawsuits against MMY?
I have heard in a variety of places including this forum that Maharishi could not enter the US and India after a certan point because if he did he would have been served with legal papers. Does anyone know the details of these cases and why he would have been served?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Familys Marmite Messia h in lid of jar
On May 29, 2009, at 8:26 AM, shempmcgurk wrote: It's like the depiction of flying saucers. As our own technology changes and improves, the types of flying saucers curiously also improve and modernize as well. Exactly. If you ever saw the movie Close Encounters of the Third Kind, there's this French guy who befriends the people drawn to the contact site. That character was actually based on a French astrophysicist and sociologist named Jacques Vallee. Vallee documented some of the earliest examples of UFO sitings which, just before the invention of the dirigible or blimp, people would see these cigar-shaped blimps with noisy propellors and engines running them--a far cry from the sophisticated crafts people see today. Carl Jung in his book Flying Saucers from the 50's pointed out that the theme is always something just beyond what is currently possible. In the middle ages before flight, people imagined angelic beings with wings, etc. Today he see crafts just beyond what is possible. In the 70's some UFO's resembled early version of stealth aircraft, etc.
[FairfieldLife] Re: When propaganda and trying to spin your image backfires
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: There is a lesson here for TM slimeball lawyers who threaten TM-Free and others who dare to speak freely about the TM movement. There is a saying in libel law: The truth is an absolute defense. If the TM-free unfortunates had any confidence in what they were saying, they could continue to do so instead of crawling back under their rock. But, in fact, they are lying and they know they are lying, which is why TM lawyers asked them not to lie. Horseshit. You can't make a blanket statement that TM-Free is all lies. That's a lie in itself, Brigante. There is an abundance of very legitimate criticism of the TMO documented at that forum. OTOH, like any other frail ideology that tries to pass itself off as a mainstream, scientifically legitimate operation, the TMO is notorious for promoting half-baked, half-assed 'scientific studies' to support its often crackpot claims. For you to suggest that the TMO is pure as the driven snow is akin to Bush's claims of WMD's in Iraq. You didn't use to be this stupid, Brigante. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_defense_(legal)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Priest Becomes Episcopalian to Marry
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: To All: Does he really think marriage will solve his problems? His problem is the Catholic Church. Ditching the Catholic Church solves his problem. Eh, nope! His real problem is indulging in that aspect of his personality that found rewards in being a Catholic. Taking off the Catholicism mask is good, but he's still all set up and ready to attach to some other dogma that yields the same kinds of psychological profits. He'll almost certain go into some sort of teaching or counseling scenario. And that aspect (indulging: repetitively rerunning beliefs that please one's ego) is bone deep and entwined with virtually every other psychological dynamic and cannot be rooted out without wholly cutting asunder every sort of attachment -- the pain of ripping out THOSE ROOTS is massive while dropping going to church, or being a priest is a much easier accomplishment. If I have learned anything in life, it's that a concept has little power, but the daily iterations of brain processes that symbolize our attachments -- now that's a potent method for hardwiring one's brain to produce a personality that, because it reprocesses with regularity, creates the illusion of personality continuity in our moment by moment existence. And the ego loves its mirror. You can take the guy out of the country, but try to take the country out of the guy -- that's fucking hard. It's like giving up salt after a lifetime of sprinkling salt on everything -- suddenly nothing can please one's taste buds which need to be entirely recalibrated by a life of OTHER kinds of processing that are iterated with as much frequency and over as many years as the use of salt entailed. One has to get used to saltlessness when one is eating potato chips. Giving up salt is easy; giving it up for every mouthful of food for the rest of your life is hard. That's why Turq ran away from America. It was like quitting Catholicism; and now, every day, he has to get up and define himself as an expat to his neo-society -- that daily grind, for years, will turn him into a non-American, but it's a close race between him and death. My bet is that there's not enough time left in his life to really saturate himself with expat-ness enough to drown out and dilute his American parts. Funnily enough, Turq's posts here would be recognized by most of the world as from an American. He's proud that he's anointed himself with the moniker of free to do whatever the fuck I want to do cuz I got money and skills, so take your dogmas and shove 'em up your puritanical asses. Try wearing that mask openly in most societies of the world. Only in his tourist areas etc. can Turq pull off that kind of anarchy and remain reasonably safe from physical attack -- he'd not be accepted into any society if they really knew him as well as we here have come to know him and grasp that he's out to wreck havoc on any belief. The priest has a long long long way to go before he's not a priest. Edg
Re: [FairfieldLife] When propaganda and trying to spin your image backfires
On May 29, 2009, at 3:03 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: There is a lesson here for TM slimeball lawyers who threaten TM-Free and others who dare to speak freely about the TM movement. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05/29/wikipedia_bans_scientology/ In an unprecedented effort to crack down on self-serving edits, the Wikipedia supreme court has banned contributions from all IP addresses owned or operated by the Church of Scientology and its associates. Closing out the longest-running court case in Wikiland history, the site's Arbitration Committee voted 10 to 0 (with one abstention) in favor of the move, which takes effect immediately. It would be interesting to see if we could get the same Wikipedia supreme court ruling against the TMO and TM cultists who tirelessly edit and remove any controversial or fact-finding entries regarding the Maharishi and Transcendental Meditation. It would be nice to see more factual entries for both of these, without interference from TM- biased revisionists, Neo-Vedic fundamentalists and mythologists.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sometimes I think that the Merv wave is to blame for TM prudishness
I think it's funny that Turq has adopted this let's make fun of prudes theme and continues to present himself as the White Knight of Sexual Freedom. I mean: who here is a prude? Why's Turq banging the drum so hard and so often? All I can think is that he's feeling massively guilty about something sexual in his personality and working it out here at FFL. No one posting here has been on a crusade for, say, using sex only for procreation. Some here can describe techniques for using sex to advance one's spirituality. Some here can write endlessly about the delights of sex without getting much flack about it. Even those who are celibate (er, who would that be?) are not the types who would think badly of others for their sexuality; merely would they explain that they feel that the energy is better used via other mental processes. So who here is Turq railing against? Not me. NOT FUCKING ME! Cuz, I'm all for sex as much as you want. Sex until your yoni or ligum bleeds. Sex in odd places. Sex in backseats and under the stars. Sex using any body part. Sex using toys. Sex using fantasy. Sex using porn. Sex sex sex. And, more sex. Any of the above can be healthy, evolving, spiritual -- if the practitioner has clarity. So fuck all you want out there, folks. I do. But, if you come to me and say that sex with a much younger woman is very low risk and an almost certain win/win, I'll tell you that you're a predator with massive denial. THAT'S what Turq is railing about -- there's his pain, there's him being yucked out by an image in a mirror. Hey, Turq, you eat roadkill. See? You won't get any storm of obsessing with Turq again and again denying that he eats roadkill. He knows that he doesn't eat roadkill, so he doesn't have to defend himself from foundationless accusations. But prod him with an accusation about being a predator, and whammo, out come the nukes. Turq, Turq, Turq, what will become of thee? Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: Think about it. The TM movement at this point is dying, composed of primarily the last remnants of the Beatles wave and the Merv wave of initiations. The first group are now approaching 60 or past it, and the second wave are now in their 50s at least. But there is a significant difference between the two generations in my opinion. Many of us Beatles wave folks (the original Star Trek cast) found our way to TM and its dogma *after* having experienced the late 60s and its refresh- ing blast of freedom from prudery and sexual repression. The Merv wave folks (Star Trek, The Next Generation) appeared on the scene as young and impressionable as the original Star Trek cast, but in the days when the 60s sense of freedom and lack of prudery had already passed, and had been replaced with nouveau cynicism. Many of this latter wave *were* young and very impressionable, and bought in to the TM prudery. They came to believe wholeheartedly in stuff like celibacy as a Good Thing, sex outside of marriage as a Bad Thing, lust as a *very* Bad Thing, and having sex with more than one person as *such* a Bad Thing that it was right up there with mass murder. I may only be speaking for myself, but I never bought into any of this bullshit. I am an unre- pentent child of the 60s, an ex-hippie who had time to form my own sexual and social identity *before* I ever got inducted into the Star Trek crew. As a result, even though a TMer, I got to enjoy the sexually-liberated but shallow 70s, and boink my way through them happily. I never for a moment bought into the Thou shalt not have a girlfriend...that's beneath the stature of a knower of reality dogma that was being sold at TM teacher training courses. I got more nookie on TM residence courses and ATR courses than most people on this forum have gotten in their entire lives. And I do not feel the *least* bit sorry about it. Say what you will, characterizes me as *what* you will, I am myself and comfortable with that. I've had long-term relationships and been married once and I've had one-night stands. *None* of these relationships are better in my mind than any other. And there is nothing any of you can say to make them better, or me worse because I can't see the theoretical difference that you see. Go peddle your TM prudery elsewhere. And I don't think I'm alone in feeling this way. When I run into people from my generation, I find that many of them somehow avoided this silly TM prudery and live according to their *own* rules of conduct and according to their own feelings about what is an acceptable lifestyle. So I'm wondering what the difference is between us Star Trekkers and the Next Generation. And I think that the bottom line may very well be that the Next Generation missed the late 60s. They grew up in a later, more cynical era in which the brief sense of freedom and
[FairfieldLife] Re: When propaganda and trying to spin your image backfires
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: It would be nice to see more factual entries for both of these, without interference from TM- biased revisionists, Neo-Vedic fundamentalists and mythologists. Lurk wrote about Off, I just replaced the name. Vaj, you are one kind of first class, bonifide, A-1, Horses Ass. Oh, I forgot, it's all a joke, don't take it so seriously. When did your development get arrested. I would say it was later in life, somewhere around 16, or 17. What was it, death of parent or sibling? Shunned by someone you were in love with? Were you an 80lb weakling? Vaj, you are a first class slimeball.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sometimes I think that the Merv wave is to blame for TM prudishness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_re...@... wrote: I think it's funny that Turq has adopted this let's make fun of prudes theme . . . So who here is Turq railing against? Not me. NOT FUCKING ME! You're the only one shouting. And you're the one who has been acting like a Class-A prude for months now. Me, I just wrote some stuff to see who would come out of the woodwork to defend them- selves, especially because I named no one in this latest rap. If there is anyone feeling guilty about something, I kinda think it isn't me, and that it might just be the person who felt named when no one was. :-) Welcome to being called on what you really are, prude. And thank you for proving it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: When propaganda and trying to spin your image backfires
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: snip It would be interesting to see if we could get the same Wikipedia supreme court ruling against the TMO and TM cultists who tirelessly edit and remove any controversial or fact-finding entries regarding the Maharishi and Transcendental Meditation. It would be nice to see more factual entries for both of these, without interference from TM-biased revisionists, Neo-Vedic fundamentalists and mythologists. Oooopsie: ...In recent months there has been a general consensus that because the article is so contentious, that we always bring up proposed changes, additions or deletions here first. Then after proper research, discussion and often times consensus, we write the copy, get it approved here and then add it to the article. This avoids the unpleasant experience of getting one's copy reversed etc. Its quite a laborious process but with some many editors with different points of view that is what we have found to work --From Kbob, on the Talk page for the Wikipedia article on Transcendental Meditation, 5/1/09: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Transcendental_Meditation http://tinyurl.com/n8a9hh
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sometimes I think that the Merv wave is to blame for TM prudishness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: I think it's funny that Turq has adopted this let's make fun of prudes theme . . . So who here is Turq railing against? Not me. NOT FUCKING ME! You're the only one shouting. And you're the one who has been acting like a Class-A prude for months now. Me, I just wrote some stuff to see who would come out of the woodwork to defend them- selves, especially because I named no one in this latest rap. If there is anyone feeling guilty about something, I kinda think it isn't me, and that it might just be the person who felt named when no one was. :-) Welcome to being called on what you really are, prude. And thank you for proving it. It obvious to me that the prude commentary was directed at BillyG and jr_esq, who both come from the styptic buttplug school of spiritual sexuality. Edg never struck me as a prude, but his extreme and bizarre reactions to intergenerational social contact make me think he has some shadow work to deal with in that area.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sometimes I think that the Merv wave is to blame for TM prudishness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: snip And I do not feel the *least* bit sorry about it. Say what you will, characterizes me as *what* you will, I am myself and comfortable with that. I've had long-term relationships and been married once and I've had one-night stands. *None* of these relationships are better in my mind than any other. And there is nothing any of you can say to make them better, or me worse because I can't see the theoretical difference that you see. Go peddle your TM prudery elsewhere. Sez the dude who insists that he never feels the need to defend himself...
[FairfieldLife] She's a Bitch
Well, why not just come out and say what you are really insinuating New York Times? Judge Sotomayor's sharp-tongued and occasionally combative manner some lawyers have described her as difficult and nasty raises questions about her judicial temperament and willingness to listen. You want to know why those opposing Sotomayor keep raising this issue of she's a bitch on the bench? (And how often have you seen this tack with a man. Honestly.) http://tinyurl.com/ns9p3s
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sometimes I think that the Merv wave is to blame for TM prudishness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: I think it's funny that Turq has adopted this let's make fun of prudes theme . . . So who here is Turq railing against? Not me. NOT FUCKING ME! You're the only one shouting. And you're the one who has been acting like a Class-A prude for months now. No, he hasn't. Hands, please: How many people who read Edg's posts think Edg has been acting like a prude recently? (Oh, and BTW, note that Barry frequently boasts that *he* doesn't read Edg's posts-- so how would he know how Edg has been acting?) Me, I just wrote some stuff to see who would come out of the woodwork to defend them- selves, especially because I named no one in this latest rap. If there is anyone feeling guilty about something, I kinda think it isn't me, and that it might just be the person who felt named when no one was. :-) Welcome to being called on what you really are, prude. And thank you for proving it. Barry vigorously defends himself from Edg's spot-on charge that he's been vigorously defending himself (which charge, and the basis for it, Barry carefully snipped, of course).
[FairfieldLife] Re: Priest Becomes Episcopalian to Marry
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_...@... wrote: To All: Does he really think marriage will solve his problems? Read on: Interestingly enough, in this article, at least, Cutie says nothing about having plans to get married. Sex scandal Miami priest quits Catholic Church MIAMI (Reuters) A popular U.S. Roman Catholic priest photographed frolicking with a woman on a Florida beach announced on Thursday he had joined the Episcopal Church to pursue the priesthood in a faith that allows married clergy. I've seen with my own eyes how many brothers of mine serve God as married men and with the blessing of having their own families, said Father Alberto Cutie, whose removal from his Miami Beach parish prompted public debate about the Catholic Church's celibacy requirement for priests. The charismatic 40-year-old is a well-known religious leader in Miami who dispensed relationship advice on Spanish-language television shows, church radio programs and newspaper columns. He was relieved of his duties at St. Francis de Sales parish in Miami Beach earlier this month after the entertainment magazine TVnotas published photos of him in swim trunks, snuggling and kissing a woman on the sands of a beach in Florida. Cutie later said he had fallen in love with the woman and broken his vow of celibacy. He apologized for his behavior, but told the Univision Spanish-language television network, I didn't stop being a man just because I put on a cassock. There are trousers under this cassock. The woman in the photographs, identified in media reports as Ruhama Canellis, stood at Cutie's side as he held a news conference at Trinity Cathedral, where the couple underwent a ceremony to join the Episcopalians. The Episcopalian church is part of the Anglican Communion, which traces its roots to the Church of England, formed when King Henry VIII split from the Roman Catholic Church in order to divorce and remarry. The Episcopal church ordains men and women as priests, married or single, and has seen controversy within its own ranks for ordaining gay priests. At his news conference, Cutie described his move as going into a new family and said he would continue to proclaim God's word. I will always love the Catholic Church and all its members who are committed in their faith and have enriched my life in so many ways, he said. Some Catholics expressed sympathy for Cutie and said it was time to end the celibacy rule. Others said that, given the recent scandals involving U.S. priests sexually abusing young boys, and Irish priests raping, flogging and enslaving children in Catholic schools, they were relieved that Cutie had merely become involved with an adult woman.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What is Enlightenment? - Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willy...@... wrote: [snip] This is the Vipassana practice itself which involves carefully scanning the surface of the body with one's attention and observing the sensations with equanimity, becoming progressively more aware of their ever-changing nature. In the checking notes there is a section that deals with the problem of what to do if the mind is not capable of thinking the mantra. The solution is to not fight this, but to allow the mind to be drawn to some physical sensation in the body. All well and good. But I have always been struck by the severe warning against allowing this to continue too long. It ...has the effect of making the mind lazy and weakening the system. Heavens! A bit OTT? Could it be that MMY wanted to protect his students from falling into the hells of Vipassana?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Another Evidence of Kali Yuga?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, It's just a ride bill.hicks.all.a.r...@... wrote: On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 4:54 PM, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: To All Read and weep. See details below: Are you a bigot, John R? There. I knew I had left something out in my trash filters. If (body contains bigot) or (body contains racist) then delete message. But by all means be careful you don't inadvertently delete the bigoted or racist messages--just the ones that point out how bigoted or racist they are.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Another Evidence of Kali Yuga?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_...@... wrote: To All Read and weep. See details below: Or read and cheer, if you don't happen to be a homophobe. LOS ANGELES An openly gay teen was voted prom queen at Los Angeles' Fairfax High School in a campaign that began as a stunt but ended up spurring discussion on the campus about gender roles and teen popularity. Sergio Garcia, 18, was crowned queen Saturday night at the Hollywood Roosevelt Hotel.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Why Hillary Lost?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: snip Did he really make the comment, I wish Hillary were younger, taller, and male... or something to that effect? When I first heard it, I thought This has got to be a joke. And I'm still not sure. Did Bill really say that? After her Iowa loss, he said, I can't make Hillary younger, taller, and male. And no, Sal, it wasn't a joke, he was dead serious. He'd spent quite a bit of time working on it. He got her to agree to a sex-change operation and inserts in her legs to make her taller, but it was making her younger that stumped him. sheesh
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What is Enlightenment? - Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
On May 29, 2009, at 10:20 AM, Richard M wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willy...@... wrote: [snip] This is the Vipassana practice itself which involves carefully scanning the surface of the body with one's attention and observing the sensations with equanimity, becoming progressively more aware of their ever-changing nature. In the checking notes there is a section that deals with the problem of what to do if the mind is not capable of thinking the mantra. The solution is to not fight this, but to allow the mind to be drawn to some physical sensation in the body. All well and good. But I have always been struck by the severe warning against allowing this to continue too long. It ...has the effect of making the mind lazy and weakening the system. Heavens! A bit OTT? Could it be that MMY wanted to protect his students from falling into the hells of Vipassana? LOL, who knows, maybe! Pretty funny since one of the required readings as part of the interdisciplinary requirements for all MIU students in the early days was a translation of the Buddhist Surangama Sutra as describing and representative of the technique of TM. I even know several dedicated TM folks who were so in awe of this sutra that they memorized it or even chanted it daily. There used to even be a (horrendous) video lecture by Bevan Morris on the subject at a TM Org website.
[FairfieldLife] What is Yogic Flying?, Asks Larry King to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
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[FairfieldLife] Transcendental Meditation: Mechanics of the technique
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re:Another Evidence of Sat Yuga evidenced here NOT the other
In a message dated 5/29/2009 10:23:02 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jst...@panix.com writes: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_...@... wrote: To All Read and weep. See details below: Or read and cheer, if you don't happen to be a homophobe. LOS ANGELES – An openly gay teen was voted prom queen at Los Angeles' Fairfax High School in a campaign that began as a stunt but ended up spurring discussion on the campus about gender roles and teen popularity. Sergio Garcia, 18, was crowned queen Saturday night at the Hollywood Roosevelt Hotel. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links **We found the real ‘Hotel California’ and the ‘Seinfeld’ diner. What will you find? Explore WhereItsAt.com. (http://www.whereitsat.com/#/music/all-spots/355/47.796964/-66.374711/2/Youve-Found-Where-Its-At?ncid=eml cntnew0007)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sometimes I think that the Merv wave is to blame for TM prudishness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: Barry vigorously defends himself from Edg's spot-on charge that he's been vigorously defending himself (which charge, and the basis for it, Barry carefully snipped, of course). Welcome back, Judy. It's good to see that your vacation enabled you to relax and chill out and drop old obsessions. :-) Don't forget to read and reply...uh...non- defensively to all the posts that mentioned you while you were away. In particular, you might want to savage these two: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/219890 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/220159 Their purpose -- their *intent*, if you will -- was to encourage people to laugh at those on this forum who are the most laughable. And there is certainly no one more laughable than yourself. Either laugh at yourself with us or defend yourself. Your call.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sometimes I think that the Merv wave is to blame for TM prudishness
If I'm a prude, how do you explain my flexibility about sexual issues such that I was able to compose the below bodice ripper? If the below doesn't mitigate most accusations of he's a prude against me, what would it take, Turq? I have been hit by predators all my fucking life, and the cost has been almost absolute. Call me over sensitized, call me obsessed about the concept predation, I'll be there agreeing to some extent, but calling me a prude is simply ridiculous. Even if I'M THE predator who's projecting on you, you have yet to answer the questions about your lifestyle that would put to rest any notion of your being a predator. You've presented yourself here as one who does the stuff that a predator would do. When I initially started posting here about your lifestyle, it was you who got all defensive and started trying to change the dialogue's issue from predation to prudery. Even if I'm completely off track, the methods you've used to debate me have all marked you well in the minds of others here, and with that I'm satisfied muchly. I don't see how anyone here could think you're an honest and forthright human being after seeing how you fucking run from the least challenge here. You say you've got a hundred hard earned tee shirts, but you show no accumulated wisdom from having done so. Your experiences have turned you into an anarchist instead of a compassionate lover of humanity. Who here would suggest to their daughter that Turq would be a great catch, since he's a world traveler, is well off, etc.? Who here would set up someone with Turq on a blind date without giving that person a few of his posts here to display his mindset -- and, not incidentally, how easily he's been unmasked by virtually everyone here? It's as if everyone at FFL has said, Turq, you're naked and to boot, you ain't no emperor, but there he is strutting into that cafe to yet again take his throne. To me the below write up of sex between peers, is a fairly true depiction of a typical healthy sexual encounter. I could only have written the below by deeply resonating with the material --not just the sexual actions but the psychological waves of whammy too. I most devoutly wish that all humans have these kinds of experiences available to them -- especially those who are experimenting with May-December romances. If an old man and a young girl could have these experiences, to me, that would go a long way towards tilting me to predict that they could make it despite the huge huge challenges. Why? Because good healthy sex is so powerful as a bonding process. Edg How Mrtyunjaya and Surasundari really get it on (Vedic genitalia) That Vaj -- what a horn dog monk. Who knew he would not only post something erotic here, but that he would be such a poor Sanskrit scholar when it comes to translation. Vaj, Vaj, Vaj Tsk. Tsk! No matter. I've translated the same text and provide it below. Vaj, ya really should, um, bone up on your Sanskrit. Vaj wrote: It sounds like you're not aware of Vedic Technology of the Yonified Field. Let me quote the Vedic texts [Vaj commentary interspersed]: A person should not worship the yoni if he does not have the Shakti mantra. This initiation and mantra is the deliverer from hell. I am Mrtyunjaya, beloved of your yoni. Surasundari, I always worship Durga in my heart lotus. This liberates the mind from distinctions such as Divya and vira. O Lady Goddess! worshipping in this manner, liberation is placed within a person's reach. [trans: I love you baby, I really love you in my heart chakra] Laying next to you in bed. San Francisco splashes late afternoon around our walls, and we are totally there with complete focus. I drink in your body in the sunlight. A yoni worshipper should prepare the Shakti mantra. He gains wealth, poesy, wisdom and omniscience. He becomes the four-faced Brahma for one hundred million aeons. [trans.: hehe. I'll soon be the Big Man on Campus] My left arm under your head wraps around you with my hand upon your breast. My right hand travels where it will. As it travels, our attentions unite along the trail of my caress. My left palm cupping your lovely breast feels the nipple probing. I bend and lightly touch it with the tip of my tongue. Then I circle it, wetting your areola. Then deliciously I pull it into my mouth. Your breath rushes in, and your breast rises from within, swelling to my lips. While at the same time your hips thrust upwards, beckoning, a cat's back arching for my hand. What is the use of talking! To speak of this avails naught. If a person worships with menstrual flowers, he also has power over fate. Doing much puja in this way, he may become liberated. [trans.: Oh gawd, the obligatory foreplay!] Edg's translation: I can't believe we're doing this. We don't know who says this. The devotee should place a Shakti in a circle. She should be wanton, beautiful, devoid of shame and disgust, charming by
[FairfieldLife] Re: What were the lawsuits against MMY?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Randy Meltzer rm...@... wrote: I have heard in a variety of places including this forum that Maharishi could not enter the US and India after a certan point because if he did he would have been served with legal papers. Does anyone know the details of these cases and why he would have been served? In the USA there were several lawsuits pending against him, IIRCC. In India, the government launched a crusade against a bunch of godmen and put many of them in jail for a while. MMY left before they could get to him, apparently. L.
[FairfieldLife] Re: When propaganda and trying to spin your image backfires
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: It would be interesting to see if we could get the same Wikipedia supreme court ruling against the TMO and TM cultists who tirelessly edit and remove any controversial or fact-finding entries regarding the Maharishi and Transcendental Meditation. It would be nice to see more factual entries for both of these, without interference from TM- biased revisionists, Neo-Vedic fundamentalists and mythologists. Well, there's several TM-related entries in Wikipedia. Perhaps you've heard of some plan to ban the TMO from Wikipedia? Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Obama Most Popular World Leader
Obama Most Popular Leader, Poll Finds PARIS President Barack Obama remains by far the most popular world leader among people in major Western nations and is the one political figure on whom people consistently pin their hopes in the economic crisis, according to new polls conducted for the International Herald Tribune. About 80 percent of people in France, Germany, Italy and Spain have a positive view of Mr. Obama, a ratio that declines only slightly, to about 70 percent, in the other two countries surveyed, Britain and the United States. The only politician who comes close is Chancellor Angela Merkel of Germany, who gets a positive rating from two-thirds of those in Continental Europe but from only one-third of Britons and Americans. The new survey, conducted by Harris International for the I.H.T. and the cable news channel France 24, reinforces the results of one conducted a month earlier showing that about half of those surveyed expressed the most confidence in Mr. Obama's ability to solve the economic crisis, with Mrs. Merkel coming in second, at 22 percent. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/29/world/europe/29iht-poll.html?ref=world
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM mantras and meaning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig lengli...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, metoostill metoostill@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: Is some aspect of ayurvedic medicine religious because tradition says it was presented to some vaidya by a god? Umm, uh, well...huh?? Not sure where you are going with that one :) (smiley face added to reduce f-word road rage, as we are probably friends) And, as I pointed out, what the f- are you doing telling me what is religiously significant about any practice I choose to indulge in? There are many things we don't self assign. One of them is whether or not what we are doing has religious significance. Because words have meanings (no pun intended, I swear). We don't get to self determine whether what we are doing is religious or not religious. I suppose you could make a strained case that chanting the names of Hindu gods was not religious. I could maybe somehow get my head around that, just a rest technique, I didn't know the meaning, etc. But a major determinate between philosophy and religion is the presence of soteriological content. Notions relating to salvation. Our community is undeniably shot through with that one. We don't get to determine whehter what we are doing is religious or not religious? Goodness. Seldom have I encountered someone whose world-view is so far removed from my won. Even most fundamentalists can accept that *for me* TM practice isn't religious. and which community do you think I belong to? As a proud, card carrying member of the Unitarian Universalist Church, I take pride in my ability to truely understand and live The Unitarian Universalist Way (TM). ;-) Not sure what is so shameful about being religious. Well actually it does have a troubled association, both cultural and political, so maybe I can see the politics involved. Like as not, you've missed the point about the Unitarian Universalist Church, which is that while it lays claim to being a legally established church with all the constitutional protections that provides, it doesn't require that its members embrace or eschew any particular religious or philosophical dogma. IOW, legally it is a church, but few religious scholars would insist that it is a religion, organized or otherwise. L Lawson, thanks for writing back. First sentence of first google hit on Universalist Unitarian Church: Unitarian Universalism, a liberal religious tradition... Didn't bother to read past there. Religion is a word, not meant to be pejorative, not sure why you shun it. Maybe because religion carries the meaning of ones having adopted a learned perspective or belief, Maharishi's rose colored glasses analogy, and if you take your views to be true rather than beliefs, to be told you are religious is unnerving. Or maybe wanting to appear neutral to facilitate making conversions. Wow that sounded evangelical, and so that it is not misunderstood to be sarcasm, I am just looking for a way to say it. The broader issue has to do with meaning. Words have meaning. There is the famous quote War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteen_Eighty-Four Orwellian can also refer generally to twisted language which says the opposite of what it truly means, or specifically governmental propagandizing by the misnaming of things; hence the Ministry of Peace in the novel actually deals with war and the Ministry of Love actually tortures people. Religion has a meaning. Google it. OK I just took my own advice. First sentence of first google hit on Religion. A religion is an organized approach to human spirituality which usually encompasses a set of narratives, symbols, beliefs and practices, ... I have done TM for 40 years and I have gone back and forth on this question. I have come down on both sides of it, but generally leaned towards it is, tempered with my TM teacher desire to tip toe through the herds of sleeping elephants, to not have the wisdom crash on the rocks of ignorance of the lower consciousness... well you know the quote even if I got it slightly wrong. Admittedly the internet is not the place to tip toe, but it is here, whether we like it or not. But we digress. This string is about Keith D's article that the mantra's are meaningless but essential (to TM) sounds, and the discussion was about how, if at all, that relates to the fact that they are the names of Hindu gods.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Why Hillary Lost?'
Judy, What's your opinion about Bill Clinton? Here's why I ask: to me, any married couple who've been together for a long time are obviously harmonizing on many levels, so one wonders what keeps Hillary with Bill when he's challenged her so deeply. I suspect your opinion of Bill is that he's, at the least, tarnished goods across several conceptual domains. We know not what separate peace Hillary's been able to achieve with Bill, but, unless their marriage is merely a political beard, I wonder what you think Hillary sees in Bill? Other than politics and for Chelsea's sake, do you think Hillary has reasons to stay with Bill? Not that Bill is a complete turd, but that he's been turdish often enough if the press reports of his infidelity have any merit, and I wonder what you think Hillary does in her mind when this issue gets her attention? Do you think it's purely a political pairing now, or do you think they've really healed their psychology and that Bill's reformed his wayward ways? When Hillary was running for office, I thought Bill was her downfall far more than Obama's less-than-honorable tactics in the caucuses and primaries. Bill's been being a good boy lately, but what would he have done if Hillary had won? My guess: he'd target becoming the King of The United Nations. I'd still opt for the lesser evil of Bill than any Republican candidate of the last 20 years, but, I have to admit, his infidelity chafes me enough to question what he's really all about. If you cheat on your wife, what else won't you do, see? All things are relative, and I deal with the devil, but just in case anyone's thinking otherwise, let me state that Bill was as much a cruel bastard in terms of his bellicosity as any other president. Obama's now piling up a karmic debt with his brand of war mongering, but I hope he's got a long view of gradually weaning America from its murderous addictions. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: snip Did he really make the comment, I wish Hillary were younger, taller, and male... or something to that effect? When I first heard it, I thought This has got to be a joke. And I'm still not sure. Did Bill really say that? After her Iowa loss, he said, I can't make Hillary younger, taller, and male. And no, Sal, it wasn't a joke, he was dead serious. He'd spent quite a bit of time working on it. He got her to agree to a sex-change operation and inserts in her legs to make her taller, but it was making her younger that stumped him. sheesh
RE: [FairfieldLife] What were the lawsuits against MMY?
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Randy Meltzer Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 7:52 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] What were the lawsuits against MMY? I have heard in a variety of places including this forum that Maharishi could not enter the US and India after a certan point because if he did he would have been served with legal papers. Does anyone know the details of these cases and why he would have been served? Robin Carlson had a suit against him. I don't know what the issue was. Probably he was trying to get MMY to proclaim under oath that Robin was enlightened. During the NJ TM in the Schools court case, the plaintiffs tried to get people as high as possible in the TMO into court. We set up a big event at which Domash was supposed to speak, but at the last minute Movement lawyers wouldn't let him, for fear he could be subpoenaed. So John Gray made a fool of himself trying to talk impromptu about physics for nearly an hour. When MMY visited MIU during the Taste of Utopia course, the sheriff was at the frat he was staying in, trying to subpoena him. Lenny Goldman successfully fended him off.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Why Hillary Lost?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: snip Did he really make the comment, I wish Hillary were younger, taller, and male... or something to that effect? When I first heard it, I thought This has got to be a joke. And I'm still not sure. Did Bill really say that? After her Iowa loss, he said, I can't make Hillary younger, taller, and male. And no, Sal, it wasn't a joke, he was dead serious. (snip) This is where Billy Bob fell off the ladder... He wanted it too much... He would sell his soul for it... He objectifies her, like he does all women, in his life... Like he has the power to do any of those things..? Who is he, God? I don't think so... It was a perfect example of Billy Bob gone mad! What a joke. He had Hillary under his hypnotic spell, like he had us all... Him and his castrating friend, Jesse (I want to cut off your balls) Jackson... What a joke. I'm glad Hillary has a chance to take a break from Billy Bob, and walk by herself for a while in a dignified way, instead of the smirky way they walk together... Flash/back to the WH, after the Monica Lewinski scandal 'Bill', she says to him, 'I need to get laid more than twice a year'... The next time you get caught with one of your Bimbos, I'm not coming to your rescue this time! I swear I'm not''.. Well, hon, you came to my rescue, so many times, I done lost count... But, listen, hon, you just hang in there with old Billy Bob, and someday, I swear to you hon, I'm gonna make you the first bitch president of these United States... Just hang in there, hon... R.G.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: When propaganda and trying to spin your image backfires
On May 29, 2009, at 11:04 AM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: It would be interesting to see if we could get the same Wikipedia supreme court ruling against the TMO and TM cultists who tirelessly edit and remove any controversial or fact-finding entries regarding the Maharishi and Transcendental Meditation. It would be nice to see more factual entries for both of these, without interference from TM- biased revisionists, Neo-Vedic fundamentalists and mythologists. Well, there's several TM-related entries in Wikipedia. Perhaps you've heard of some plan to ban the TMO from Wikipedia? No I had not heard of such a ban. My concern would be that, like the Scientology movement, the TM movement would likely have an endless supply of zealots/digital jihadists interested in seeing a sanitized, party-line history published that's not representative of the facts. Since people interested in spending large chunks of their lives battling such an onslaught are likely to be small or non-existent, it would be a good idea to propose a similar ruling for TM Org cult like that of the Scientology cult.
Re: [FairfieldLife] What were the lawsuits against MMY?
On May 29, 2009, at 11:22 AM, Rick Archer wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Randy Meltzer Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 7:52 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] What were the lawsuits against MMY? I have heard in a variety of places including this forum that Maharishi could not enter the US and India after a certan point because if he did he would have been served with legal papers. Does anyone know the details of these cases and why he would have been served? Robin Carlson had a suit against him. I don't know what the issue was. Probably he was trying to get MMY to proclaim under oath that Robin was enlightened. During the NJ TM in the Schools court case, the plaintiffs tried to get people as high as possible in the TMO into court. We set up a big event at which Domash was supposed to speak, but at the last minute Movement lawyers wouldn't let him, for fear he could be subpoenaed. So John Gray made a fool of himself trying to talk impromptu about physics for nearly an hour. When MMY visited MIU during the Taste of Utopia course, the sheriff was at the frat he was staying in, trying to subpoena him. Lenny Goldman successfully fended him off. I have copies of the one Robin Carlsen case. It was a half dozen or so MIU students who were suing the TMO for throwing them out because of their affiliation with RWC. There was also a case where they forced MMY to make a public declaration regarding RWC's enlightenment. I believe I also have some materials relating to this case, including the large insert RWC had placed in the Fairfield Ledger and some letters.
RE: [FairfieldLife] What were the lawsuits against MMY?
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Vaj Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 10:33 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] What were the lawsuits against MMY? On May 29, 2009, at 11:22 AM, Rick Archer wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Randy Meltzer Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 7:52 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] What were the lawsuits against MMY? I have heard in a variety of places including this forum that Maharishi could not enter the US and India after a certan point because if he did he would have been served with legal papers. Does anyone know the details of these cases and why he would have been served? Robin Carlson had a suit against him. I don't know what the issue was. Probably he was trying to get MMY to proclaim under oath that Robin was enlightened. During the NJ TM in the Schools court case, the plaintiffs tried to get people as high as possible in the TMO into court. We set up a big event at which Domash was supposed to speak, but at the last minute Movement lawyers wouldn't let him, for fear he could be subpoenaed. So John Gray made a fool of himself trying to talk impromptu about physics for nearly an hour. When MMY visited MIU during the Taste of Utopia course, the sheriff was at the frat he was staying in, trying to subpoena him. Lenny Goldman successfully fended him off. I have copies of the one Robin Carlsen case. It was a half dozen or so MIU students who were suing the TMO for throwing them out because of their affiliation with RWC. There was also a case where they forced MMY to make a public declaration regarding RWC's enlightenment. I believe I also have some materials relating to this case, including the large insert RWC had placed in the Fairfield Ledger and some letters. Might be amusing to post those to the files section of FFL, for the record.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sometimes I think that the Merv wave is to blame for TM prudishness
There was a wave in between the Beatles and Merv waves. It happened around 1973 when the scientific research happened. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: Think about it. The TM movement at this point is dying, composed of primarily the last remnants of the Beatles wave and the Merv wave of initiations. The first group are now approaching 60 or past it, and the second wave are now in their 50s at least. But there is a significant difference between the two generations in my opinion. Many of us Beatles wave folks (the original Star Trek cast) found our way to TM and its dogma *after* having experienced the late 60s and its refresh- ing blast of freedom from prudery and sexual repression. The Merv wave folks (Star Trek, The Next Generation) appeared on the scene as young and impressionable as the original Star Trek cast, but in the days when the 60s sense of freedom and lack of prudery had already passed, and had been replaced with nouveau cynicism. Many of this latter wave *were* young and very impressionable, and bought in to the TM prudery. They came to believe wholeheartedly in stuff like celibacy as a Good Thing, sex outside of marriage as a Bad Thing, lust as a *very* Bad Thing, and having sex with more than one person as *such* a Bad Thing that it was right up there with mass murder. I may only be speaking for myself, but I never bought into any of this bullshit. I am an unre- pentent child of the 60s, an ex-hippie who had time to form my own sexual and social identity *before* I ever got inducted into the Star Trek crew. As a result, even though a TMer, I got to enjoy the sexually-liberated but shallow 70s, and boink my way through them happily. I never for a moment bought into the Thou shalt not have a girlfriend...that's beneath the stature of a knower of reality dogma that was being sold at TM teacher training courses. I got more nookie on TM residence courses and ATR courses than most people on this forum have gotten in their entire lives. And I do not feel the *least* bit sorry about it. Say what you will, characterizes me as *what* you will, I am myself and comfortable with that. I've had long-term relationships and been married once and I've had one-night stands. *None* of these relationships are better in my mind than any other. And there is nothing any of you can say to make them better, or me worse because I can't see the theoretical difference that you see. Go peddle your TM prudery elsewhere. And I don't think I'm alone in feeling this way. When I run into people from my generation, I find that many of them somehow avoided this silly TM prudery and live according to their *own* rules of conduct and according to their own feelings about what is an acceptable lifestyle. So I'm wondering what the difference is between us Star Trekkers and the Next Generation. And I think that the bottom line may very well be that the Next Generation missed the late 60s. They grew up in a later, more cynical era in which the brief sense of freedom and hope that we all exper- ienced in the late 60s had faded and been replaced with standard American hopelessness. So they were better fodder for the prudish propaganda and repressive lifestyles peddled by the TM movement. That's my theory and I'm stickin' to it. But I'm humble enough to admit that it could be wrong. The difference between the folks in the original Beatles wavers and the later Merv wavers could simply be that we were smarter. :-)
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sometimes I think that the Merv wave is to blame for TM prudishness
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of shempmcgurk Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 11:09 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sometimes I think that the Merv wave is to blame for TM prudishness There was a wave in between the Beatles and Merv waves. It happened around 1973 when the scientific research happened. But it was a much smaller wave.
[FairfieldLife] Mosuo Matriarchy - 'Men Live Better Where Women Are In Charge'
How does a matriarchy really work? Argentinian writer Ricardo Coler decided to find out and spent two months with the Mosuo in southern China. Women have a different way of dominating, the researcher told SPIEGEL ONLINE. SPIEGEL ONLINE: Mr. Coler, you are from Argentina, where macho behavior is not exactly unheard of. What was it like living for two months in the matriarchical society of the Mosuo in China? Coler: I wanted to know what happened in a society where women determine how things are done. How do women tick when, from birth onwards, their societal position allows them to decide everything? We men know what a man is, we put that together quickly -- but what constitutes a woman? Although, I didn't get any wiser on that point. SPIEGEL ONLINE: Is Mosuo society a paradise for feminists? Coler: I had expected to find an inverse patriarchy. But the life of the Mosuo has absolutely nothing to do with that. Women have a different way of dominating. When women rule, it's part of their work. They like it when everything functions and the family is doing well. Amassing wealth or earning lots of money doesn't cross their minds. Capital accumulation seems to be a male thing. It's not for nothing that popular wisdom says that the difference between a man and a boy is the price of his toys. SPIEGEL ONLINE: What is life like for a man in a matriarchy? Coler: Men live better where women are in charge: you are responsible for almost nothing, you work much less and you spend the whole day with your friends. You're with a different woman every night. And on top of that, you can always live at your mother's house. The woman serves the man and it happens in a society where she leads the way and has control of the money. In a patriarchy, we men work more -- and every now and then we do the dishes. In the Mosuo's pure form of matriarchy, you aren't allowed to do that. Where a woman's dominant position is secure, those kinds of archaic gender roles don't have any meaning. SPIEGEL ONLINE: What astonished you the most? Coler: That there is no violence in a matriarchal society. I know that quickly slips into idealization -- every human society has its problems. But it simply doesn't make sense to the Mosuo women to solve conflicts with violence. Because they are in charge, nobody fights. They don't know feelings of guilt or vengeance -- it is simply shameful to fight. They are ashamed if they do and it even can threaten their social standing. SPIEGEL ONLINE: And when there's no solution to a problem? Coler: Either way, there won't be an altercation. The women decide what happens. Some of them do it more strictly and others in a friendlier way. They are strong women who give clear orders. When a man hasn't finished a task he's been given, he is expected to admit it. He is not scolded or punished, but instead he is treated like a little boy who was not up to the task. SPIEGEL ONLINE: Are men raised to be incompetent? Coler: For the Mosuo, women are simply the more effective and reliable gender. However, they do say that the really big decisions -- like buying a house or a machine or selling a cow -- are made by the men. Men are good for this kind of decision-making as well as physical labor. The official governmental leader of the village, the mayor, is a man. I walked with him through the village -- nobody greated him or paid him any attention. As a man he doesn't have any authority. SPIEGEL ONLINE: How does this division of roles function when it comes to love? Coler: In the matriarchal society, love and eroticism are omnipresent. But there is a big difference between the two. They constantly crack double-entendre jokes. Someone always wants to present you with a woman and there is always a woman there who is smiling at you. Like I said, these are very strong women who give the orders and yell at you as if you were deaf. But when it comes to seduction, they completely change. The women act shy, look at the floor, sing softly to themselves and blush. And they let the men believe that we are the ones who choose the women and do the conquering. Then you spend a night together. The next morning, the man leaves and the woman goes about her work like before. SPIEGEL ONLINE: A paradise of free love, in other words? Coler: The sexual life of the Mosuo is very distinctive and very active -- partners are changed frequently. But the women decide with whom they want to spend the night. Their living quarters have a main entrance but every adult woman lives in her own small hut. The men live together in a large house. The door of every hut is fitted with a hook and all the men wear hats. When a man visits a woman, he hangs his hat on the hook. That way, everybody knows that this woman has a male visitor. And nobody else knocks on the door. If a woman falls in love, then she receives only the specific man and the man comes only to that woman. SPIEGEL
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy: All Hat, No Cattle; was What is Enlightenment? - MMY
I want to know who gave him the title *Maharishi* .?? Why does he put his bald head in all the org's emblems.?? I think he was a good meditation teacher, but a very poor Philosophy teacher.!! Paradoxicaly, I know many good philosophy teachers who are poor meditation teachers.!! --- On Thu, 5/28/09, Vaj vajradh...@earthlink.net wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Marshy: All Hat, No Cattle; was What is Enlightenment? - MMY Date: Thursday, May 28, 2009, 2:48 PM Silly Willy. Perhaps you weren't listening earlier. Similar techniques are found in the Shankaracharya Advaita tradition. They can also be found in Patanjali, the Shaiva tantras and the Puranas! They are also taught in the mantra traditions of Hindu tantrism. It also appears you never learned the TM checking procedure. The Marshy had a great beard and looked great in expensive silk, but IMO he sucked as yogi. Why else would someone with yogi added onto their name have a gym teacher design their hatha-yoga asanas? Pretty silly Willy. Pretty silly. Just because someone dresses like a saint doesn't make them one and just because someone self-proclaims themselves a yogi doesn't make them one. Nor does fooling Paul McCartney, Ringo and Donovan. Heck, I thought Ringo was smarter than that! Marshy's just all hat and no cattle if you ask me! But I'm sure he'd try to sell you one just the same. A Vedic one. ;-) *
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy: All Hat, No Cattle; was What is Enlightenment? - MMY
Yeah, compared to S.N. Goenka, the Marshy is a sheer genius at meditation! There's a lot of difference between transcendental meditation and mood-making with concentration on various human body parts. Vaj wrote: Similar techniques are found in the Shankaracharya Advaita tradition. They can also be found in Patanjali, the Shaiva tantras and the Puranas! They are also taught in the mantra traditions of Hindu tantrism. So, we are agreed - TM is very similar to the Adwaita meditation of the Shankaracharya, Patanjali, and in the Indian Tantras and Purana. I always thought so - thanks for providing this information. So, the Shankaracharya, Patanjali, and the Indian Tantriks all practiced TM. But it's a fact that there's no 'vipassana' in the Buddhist or Hindu scriptures. Apparently the Buddha practiced TM or dhyana or something similar - not some kind of dualistic 'mindfullness' mind control invented by the Theravadins. It also appears you never learned the TM checking procedure. Sure I did - in fact, I helped Charles Lutes and the Marshy compose the 'checking points'. I've been a TM Spiritual Guide for over forty years. The Marshy had a great beard and looked great in expensive silk, He sure did! The Marshy looked like the real thing. If a yogi lives in the Himalayas, comes out of the Himalayas, and looks like a Himalayan Yogi, then he probably IS a Himalayan Yogi of some kind. but IMO he sucked as yogi. But you probably spent, what, less than a minute or two, with the Yogi face-to-face, and you've probably never been inside the Yogi's bedroom or sat outside his door. That's not very impressive, Vaj. You've probably never been on a TTC, a CCP, or an AT. Why else would someone with yogi added onto their name have a gym teacher design their hatha-yoga asanas? Most gym teachers in India are experts at hatha-yoga. And there must be thousands of hatha-yoga gym teachers all over India. According to my sources, B.K.S. Iyenger used to teach hatha-yoga in a gym. Pretty silly Willy. Pretty silly. Maybe you're the silly one, after reading your comment about the gym teacher. LOL! In many cases I'd rather learn hath-yoga from a gym teacher instead of some crabby old hermit in the Upper Kashi who only speaks Hindi. Just because someone dresses like a saint doesn't make them one and just because someone self-proclaims themselves a yogi doesn't make them one. Do all Indian 'saints' wear dhotis - maybe so. But I knew an Indian saint that only wore a loin cloth, who taught hatha-yoga in a big gym in downtown Poona. Nor does fooling Paul McCartney, Ringo and Donovan. Maybe so, but the Marshy also 'fooled around' with the saint, Swami Brahmanand Saraswati, for over thirteen years. He also fooled around with Swami Laksmanjoo, the famous Kashmiri Tantric; not to mention the Sri Anandamayima and the current Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath. Heck, I thought Ringo was smarter than that! Ringo was smart enough to go to the Marshy's yoga camp!
[FairfieldLife] 'Who is Rush Limbaugh?'
‘Who is Rush Limbaugh?’ Who is this Demi-god on the radio? A ditto head for Satan? Should we believe in him? This aspect of the ‘Evil-Triad’... The other two being: Dick Cheney and Fox news... The un-holy trinity: Lucifer, Satan and Beelzebub. Purveyors of fear and loathing, gnashing of teeth... Adding to the confusion, mockery and faithlessness. Who is Rush Limbaugh? Who is he working for? Isn't it obvious? R.G.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sometimes I think that the Merv wave is to blame for TM prudishness
You are dealing with an Org that thinks Storks bring babies. If Maharishi struck to the plain old vanilla TM and never meddled with things that he didn't know, the mov't would be on a very different footing today. --- On Fri, 5/29/09, shempmcgurk shempmcg...@netscape.net wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sometimes I think that the Merv wave is to blame for TM prudishness Date: Friday, May 29, 2009, 9:09 AM There was a wave in between the Beatles and Merv waves. It happened around 1973 when the scientific research happened. --- ,TurquoiseB no_re...@.. . wrote: Think about it. The TM movement at this point is dying, composed of primarily the last remnants of the Beatles wave and the Merv wave of initiations. The first group are now approaching 60 or past it, and the second wave are now in their 50s at least. But there is a significant difference between the two generations in my opinion. Many of us Beatles wave folks (the original Star Trek cast) found our way to TM and its dogma *after* having experienced the late 60s and its refresh- ing blast of freedom from prudery and sexual repression. The Merv wave folks (Star Trek, The Next Generation) appeared on the scene as young and impressionable as the original Star Trek cast, but in the days when the 60s sense of freedom and lack of prudery had already passed, and had been replaced with nouveau cynicism. Many of this latter wave *were* young and very impressionable, and bought in to the TM prudery. They came to believe wholeheartedly in stuff like celibacy as a Good Thing, sex outside of marriage as a Bad Thing, lust as a *very* Bad Thing, and having sex with more than one person as *such* a Bad Thing that it was right up there with mass murder. I may only be speaking for myself, but I never bought into any of this bullshit. I am an unre- pentent child of the 60s, an ex-hippie who had time to form my own sexual and social identity *before* I ever got inducted into the Star Trek crew. As a result, even though a TMer, I got to enjoy the sexually-liberated but shallow 70s, and boink my way through them happily. I never for a moment bought into the Thou shalt not have a girlfriend.. .that's beneath the stature of a knower of reality dogma that was being sold at TM teacher training courses. I got more nookie on TM residence courses and ATR courses than most people on this forum have gotten in their entire lives. And I do not feel the *least* bit sorry about it. Say what you will, characterizes me as *what* you will, I am myself and comfortable with that. I've had long-term relationships and been married once and I've had one-night stands. *None* of these relationships are better in my mind than any other. And there is nothing any of you can say to make them better, or me worse because I can't see the theoretical difference that you see. Go peddle your TM prudery elsewhere. And I don't think I'm alone in feeling this way. When I run into people from my generation, I find that many of them somehow avoided this silly TM prudery and live according to their *own* rules of conduct and according to their own feelings about what is an acceptable lifestyle. So I'm wondering what the difference is between us Star Trekkers and the Next Generation. And I think that the bottom line may very well be that the Next Generation missed the late 60s. They grew up in a later, more cynical era in which the brief sense of freedom and hope that we all exper- ienced in the late 60s had faded and been replaced with standard American hopelessness. So they were better fodder for the prudish propaganda and repressive lifestyles peddled by the TM movement. That's my theory and I'm stickin' to it. But I'm humble enough to admit that it could be wrong. The difference between the folks in the original Beatles wavers and the later Merv wavers could simply be that we were smarter. :-) *
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy: All Hat, No Cattle; was What is Enlightenment? - MMY
On May 29, 2009, at 12:46 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote: Yeah, compared to S.N. Goenka, the Marshy is a sheer genius at meditation! There's a lot of difference between transcendental meditation and mood-making with concentration on various human body parts. Vaj wrote: Similar techniques are found in the Shankaracharya Advaita tradition. They can also be found in Patanjali, the Shaiva tantras and the Puranas! They are also taught in the mantra traditions of Hindu tantrism. So, we are agreed - TM is very similar to the Adwaita meditation of the Shankaracharya, Patanjali, and in the Indian Tantras and Purana. I always thought so - thanks for providing this information. So, the Shankaracharya, Patanjali, and the Indian Tantriks all practiced TM. No Willy, they practiced Vipassana-like practices, not TM.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sometimes I think that the Merv wave is to blame for TM prudishness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of shempmcgurk Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 11:09 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sometimes I think that the Merv wave is to blame for TM prudishness There was a wave in between the Beatles and Merv waves. It happened around 1973 when the scientific research happened. But it was a much smaller wave. Perhaps I'm biased because I started in April '73 and one of the main reasons I started was because my friend handed me that white scientific research booklet with about 10 studies in it. Certainly, the initiations in this period didn't match Merv; but I'd be curious to know whether they matched the Beatles wave if only for the reason that in '68 there wouldn't have been enough teachers to handle everyone but in '73 there were plenty.
RE: [FairfieldLife] 'Who is Rush Limbaugh?'
He's an old TM Practitioner. That's who he is. Don't know if he's still practicing, but he has been known to speak highly of it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mosuo Matriarchy - 'Men Live Better Where Women Are In Charge'
Rflex-ji, You should study the Elephant society. In certain ways they are far more evolved that even humans. All female elephants have a phenomenon called communal bonding. If a mother of a calf dies, all the other females take charge and nurse the baby elephant to adulthood.!! It's a strategy by evolution for the better survival of the species. All the female elephants in the herd give milk (suckle) to the baby elephant.!! All the females nurse it.!! In other words all female elephants in the herd are Mother to the baby elephant.!! I wish evolution had wired our species that way, but sadly things turned out to be different. --- On Fri, 5/29/09, do.rflex do.rf...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Mosuo Matriarchy - 'Men Live Better Where Women Are In Charge' Date: Friday, May 29, 2009, 9:33 AM How does a matriarchy really work? Argentinian writer Ricardo Coler decided to find out and spent two months with the Mosuo in southern China. Women have a different way of dominating, the researcher told SPIEGEL ONLINE. SPIEGEL ONLINE: Mr. Coler, you are from Argentina, where macho behavior is not exactly unheard of. What was it like living for two months in the matriarchical society of the Mosuo in China? Coler: I wanted to know what happened in a society where women determine how things are done. How do women tick when, from birth onwards, their societal position allows them to decide everything? We men know what a man is, we put that together quickly -- but what constitutes a woman? Although, I didn't get any wiser on that point. SPIEGEL ONLINE: Is Mosuo society a paradise for feminists? Coler: I had expected to find an inverse patriarchy. But the life of the Mosuo has absolutely nothing to do with that. Women have a different way of dominating. When women rule, it's part of their work. They like it when everything functions and the family is doing well. Amassing wealth or earning lots of money doesn't cross their minds. Capital accumulation seems to be a male thing. It's not for nothing that popular wisdom says that the difference between a man and a boy is the price of his toys. SPIEGEL ONLINE: What is life like for a man in a matriarchy? Coler: Men live better where women are in charge: you are responsible for almost nothing, you work much less and you spend the whole day with your friends. You're with a different woman every night. And on top of that, you can always live at your mother's house. The woman serves the man and it happens in a society where she leads the way and has control of the money. In a patriarchy, we men work more -- and every now and then we do the dishes. In the Mosuo's pure form of matriarchy, you aren't allowed to do that. Where a woman's dominant position is secure, those kinds of archaic gender roles don't have any meaning. SPIEGEL ONLINE: What astonished you the most? Coler: That there is no violence in a matriarchal society. I know that quickly slips into idealization -- every human society has its problems. But it simply doesn't make sense to the Mosuo women to solve conflicts with violence. Because they are in charge, nobody fights. They don't know feelings of guilt or vengeance -- it is simply shameful to fight. They are ashamed if they do and it even can threaten their social standing. SPIEGEL ONLINE: And when there's no solution to a problem? Coler: Either way, there won't be an altercation. The women decide what happens. Some of them do it more strictly and others in a friendlier way. They are strong women who give clear orders. When a man hasn't finished a task he's been given, he is expected to admit it. He is not scolded or punished, but instead he is treated like a little boy who was not up to the task. SPIEGEL ONLINE: Are men raised to be incompetent? Coler: For the Mosuo, women are simply the more effective and reliable gender. However, they do say that the really big decisions -- like buying a house or a machine or selling a cow -- are made by the men. Men are good for this kind of decision-making as well as physical labor. The official governmental leader of the village, the mayor, is a man. I walked with him through the village -- nobody greated him or paid him any attention. As a man he doesn't have any authority. SPIEGEL ONLINE: How does this division of roles function when it comes to love? Coler: In the matriarchal society, love and eroticism are omnipresent. But there is a big difference between the two. They constantly crack double-entendre jokes. Someone always wants to present you with a woman and there is always a woman there who is smiling at you. Like I said, these are very strong women who give the orders and yell at you as if you were deaf. But when it comes to seduction, they completely change. The women act shy, look at the floor, sing softly to themselves and blush. And they let the men believe that we are the ones who choose the
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Who is Rush Limbaugh?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: He's an old TM Practitioner. That's who he is. Don't know if he's still practicing, but he has been known to speak highly of it. the following is from Limbaugh's own website (replete with MIU logo): http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_051608/content/01125114.gues\ t.html http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_051608/content/01125114.gue\ st.html Does the Maha Rushie Meditate?May 16, 2008 Listen To It! WMP http://stream.rushlimbaugh.com/cgi-bin/members.cgi?stream=clips/08/05/0\ 51608_9_meditation.wmasite=rushlimb | RealPlayer http://stream.rushlimbaugh.com/cgi-bin/members.cgi?stream=clips/08/05/0\ 51608_9_meditation.rmsite=rushlimb Audio clips available for Rush 24/7 members only -- Join Now! http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/Rush247.guest.html BEGIN TRANSCRIPTRUSH: Anyway, who's next on this program? Linda in Jackson, Mississippi. Hello. CALLER: Hello? RUSH: Hello. CALLER: Hello, Mr. Limbaugh. RUSH: Hi Linda, how are you? CALLER: I'm just wonderful. Thank you so much -- RUSH: You're welcome. CALLER: -- for educating me in the ways of politics. RUSH: Thank you. CALLER: And thank you so much for taking my call. RUSH: You're welcome. CALLER: I had a very simple little question I've thought of for probably ten years, maybe not that long. I wanted to ask you, and then I told Mr. Snerdley I had one simple question, I decided maybe I should make it as a statement, therefore being a perfectly honest, wonderful human being you are, you would not be forced to have to answer. So I've concluded over listening to a few statements that you've made over the years that you must practice TM. And you don't have to answer me if you don't want to, because you are such a wonderful, gracious gentleman, one of the things -- RUSH: Well, now, wait a second, but you are curious. I understand the structure that you have created here, making your statement in observation form, thereby not requiring me to provide an answer, but you still are curious.CALLER: I'm still what? RUSH: You're not curious? CALLER: I am curious. RUSH: You are curious, yes. CALLER: But I didn't want to put you on the spot because -- RUSH: Well, you're not putting me on the spot. CALLER: Well, it's a question that may ostracize you a little bit because it's looked upon as kind of, you know, something strange to practice, Transcendental Meditation. RUSH: Cosmic consciousness? There's nothing strange about -- CALLER: It's not, maybe not more so where you're from than where I'm from. It is not as strange as -- RUSH: How many times a day do you meditate? CALLER: Twice a day for thirty years. RUSH: Are you on the road to cosmic consciousness? CALLER: I would like to think so, yes, sir. RUSH: Because that's the objective of the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. CALLER: Yes, sir, and I think you're very much there, too, because you keep bumping into me in my lucid dreams. RUSH: A-ha. That helps a lot. So when you are meditating, which is another way to lucid dream -- CALLER: No, no, lucid dream is when you're asleep. RUSH: Oh, you're talking about when you're sleeping. CALLER: Yes, meditating. RUSH: Linda? Linda, I've heard that line before. I mean, when I was younger, I used to use that line all the time. You know I had a dream about you? CALLER: No, it's not that kind of dream. A lucid dream is when you observe your dreams. RUSH: Yeah, but I mean I'm still in 'em. CALLER: Yeah. It's not a pickup line. I'm not trying to pick you up. RUSH: Well, I didn't think you were. CALLER: Although, you did make a comment once a couple years ago, my husband and I heard you talking about being at a party and that you wished you could meet some real people. We volunteer. We're real people. We would love to meet you. RUSH: Oh, that's awfully sweet. You've got a great memory. I do not practice Transcendental Meditation. I know people who have, and that's why I know the terminology. CALLER: Good. Okay. RUSH: And I know about the mantras. CALLER: Uh-huh. RUSH: I have talked about Maharishi University, which is in Iowa. CALLER: Yes, sir. RUSH: And I did say, you know, you got a basketball team there, and I said the official cheer is block that vibe, rather than -- CALLER: Yes, sir. Well, I thought you must have some familiarity with it, or maybe being in such a high state of consciousness as you are in, maybe that was one of the tools you used. RUSH: Wish it were. I wish I could tell you it was, but it's not. Even though I'm familiar with it, as I say, I've known some people who have done it, but they don't do it any longer. Anyway, Linda, you're so sweet. I'm glad you called.END TRANSCRIPT
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM mantras and meaning
So you are proffering Shaiva revisionism like a starry-eyed western
convert such as Alain Danielou. It must give you comfort and validation
as a self-initiated guru.
You hold and maintain a set of religious and cultural prejudices that
make you a mirror of the hard-line tmo cadre. Watching you try and smack
down a naïve pandit here on ffl just demonstrates that you are bereft
of anything but your self. Even Barry admits he is only displaying his
opinions. Amazing how much more honest he is than you. But then again,
you desperately need to be here offering your grand diagnosis and
self-referencing value scale to keep us from hurting ourselves.
After Gautama Shakyamuni and Padma Totrengtsal we now have Vajraduta,
the third grand physician, who will surely keep us from
deluding ourselves.
Maybe we should all supplicate you for your obvious sympathy and above
all for not giving us anal fistulas with your fierce mantras.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:
On May 29, 2009, at 2:22 AM, cardemaister wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
On May 28, 2009, at 6:21 PM, BillyG. wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@
wrote:
http://snipurl.com/iyubq
[adventuresintranscendentalmeditation_blogspot_com]
I think Maharishi has already defined TM as the greatest
blessing
of the *eternal Religion* represented by the Vedas.
It would be exact to say that all the religions from times
immemorial are just different branches of the main trunk of the
*eternal religion* represented by the Vedas. page four
This is the greatest blessing of the Vedas, this system of
meditation is the greatest blessing of the Vedas. page five
That's pretty funny considering TM is tantric.
Oh well. It sounded impressive!
Isn't the basic principle of TM introduced by RSi Diirghatamas
in Rgveda I 164, 39 and 45?
R^i\`co a\`kShare\' para\`me vyoma\`n yasmi\'n de\`vaa adhi\` vishve
\' niShe\`duH |\\
yas tan na veda\` kim R^i\`caa ka\'riShyati\` ya it tad vi\`dus
ta i\`me sam aa\'sate || \EN{1}{164}{39} \\
--
ca\`tvaari\` vaak pari\'mitaa pa\`daani\` taani\' vidur braahma
\`Naa ye ma\'nii\`ShiNaH\' |\\
*** guhaa\` triiNi\` nihi\'taa\` ne~Nga\'yanti *** tu\`riiyaM\'
vaa\`co ma\'nu\`Shyaa vadanti || \EN{1}{164}{45} \\
ne~Nga\'yanti - na + in.gayanti (ing-gayanti)
Do you believe the goal of TM is to get you into the highest heaven
where the Devas lie? Do you actually believe this idea of a highest
heaven is the same as the unified field?
Personally, I find that a bit of a stretch.
I do believe devout Brahmins would try to say that it was some
relation to meditation, but to me, that's really just post hoc
revisionism. It sounds more to me like an Indian version of Moses
got the Ten Commandments from the burning bush on Mount Sinai.
What we're more likely seeing IMO is an attempt by the Brahmin
overlords to connect tantric ideas to their scriptures through tricks
of exegesis.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy: All Hat, No Cattle; was What is Enlightenment? - MMY
Will Tex, There is no end to Vaj's bs. Why don't you just ask for validating proof - as in tradition, text and translation and page? Just allowing him to name some Sanskrit texts allows him to keep up the bs. Vaj is no Sanskrit pandita - remember how he added his own words into direct quotes? After being challeged on it he just waited a week or so and then continued with the same jilted quote. Vaj is an intellectual scammer. Don't let him slide. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On May 29, 2009, at 12:46 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote: Yeah, compared to S.N. Goenka, the Marshy is a sheer genius at meditation! There's a lot of difference between transcendental meditation and mood-making with concentration on various human body parts. Vaj wrote: Similar techniques are found in the Shankaracharya Advaita tradition. They can also be found in Patanjali, the Shaiva tantras and the Puranas! They are also taught in the mantra traditions of Hindu tantrism. So, we are agreed - TM is very similar to the Adwaita meditation of the Shankaracharya, Patanjali, and in the Indian Tantras and Purana. I always thought so - thanks for providing this information. So, the Shankaracharya, Patanjali, and the Indian Tantriks all practiced TM. No Willy, they practiced Vipassana-like practices, not TM.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: What were the lawsuits against MMY?
There were a number of civil suits. I think the NJ suit had to do with the claims that the TM Sidhis could teach you to fly or levitate. Here's a link to a summary of a civil suit in Washington, DC regarding psychological problems caused by the practice of TM techniques. See: http://www.trancenet.net/personal/40.shtml --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Vaj Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 10:33 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] What were the lawsuits against MMY? On May 29, 2009, at 11:22 AM, Rick Archer wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Randy Meltzer Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 7:52 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] What were the lawsuits against MMY? I have heard in a variety of places including this forum that Maharishi could not enter the US and India after a certan point because if he did he would have been served with legal papers. Does anyone know the details of these cases and why he would have been served? Robin Carlson had a suit against him. I don't know what the issue was. Probably he was trying to get MMY to proclaim under oath that Robin was enlightened. During the NJ TM in the Schools court case, the plaintiffs tried to get people as high as possible in the TMO into court. We set up a big event at which Domash was supposed to speak, but at the last minute Movement lawyers wouldn't let him, for fear he could be subpoenaed. So John Gray made a fool of himself trying to talk impromptu about physics for nearly an hour. When MMY visited MIU during the Taste of Utopia course, the sheriff was at the frat he was staying in, trying to subpoena him. Lenny Goldman successfully fended him off. I have copies of the one Robin Carlsen case. It was a half dozen or so MIU students who were suing the TMO for throwing them out because of their affiliation with RWC. There was also a case where they forced MMY to make a public declaration regarding RWC's enlightenment. I believe I also have some materials relating to this case, including the large insert RWC had placed in the Fairfield Ledger and some letters. Might be amusing to post those to the files section of FFL, for the record.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Who is Rush Limbaugh?'
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of shempmcgurk Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 12:41 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Who is Rush Limbaugh?' He says in this transcript that he doesn't meditate, but that he knows about it because friends do it, but I got a call from a friend this morning, who read this thread, who said he meditated with Rush just recently. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: He's an old TM Practitioner. That's who he is. Don't know if he's still practicing, but he has been known to speak highly of it. the following is from Limbaugh's own website (replete with MIU logo): http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_051608/content/01125114.guest.ht ml Does the Maha Rushie Meditate? May 16, 2008 Listen To It! http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/rush4/images/LISTENicon6.gif WMP http://stream.rushlimbaugh.com/cgi-bin/members.cgi?stream=clips/08/05/05160 8_9_meditation.wmasite=rushlimb | RealPlayer http://stream.rushlimbaugh.com/cgi-bin/members.cgi?stream=clips/08/05/05160 8_9_meditation.rmsite=rushlimb http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/rush4/images/24_7ICON.gif http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/Rush247.guest.html Audio clips available for Rush 24/7 members only -- Join Now! BEGIN TRANSCRIPT http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/spc.gif RUSH: Anyway, who's next on this program? Linda in Jackson, Mississippi. Hello. CALLER: Hello? RUSH: Hello. CALLER: Hello, Mr. Limbaugh. RUSH: Hi Linda, how are you? http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_051608/content/01125114.Par.893 80.ImageFile.jpg CALLER: I'm just wonderful. Thank you so much -- RUSH: You're welcome. CALLER: -- for educating me in the ways of politics. RUSH: Thank you. CALLER: And thank you so much for taking my call. RUSH: You're welcome. CALLER: I had a very simple little question I've thought of for probably ten years, maybe not that long. I wanted to ask you, and then I told Mr. Snerdley I had one simple question, I decided maybe I should make it as a statement, therefore being a perfectly honest, wonderful human being you are, you would not be forced to have to answer. So I've concluded over listening to a few statements that you've made over the years that you must practice TM. And you don't have to answer me if you don't want to, because you are such a wonderful, gracious gentleman, one of the things -- RUSH: Well, now, wait a second, but you are curious. I understand the structure that you have created here, making your statement in observation form, thereby not requiring me to provide an answer, but you still are curious. http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/spc.gif CALLER: I'm still what? RUSH: You're not curious? CALLER: I am curious. RUSH: You are curious, yes. CALLER: But I didn't want to put you on the spot because -- RUSH: Well, you're not putting me on the spot. CALLER: Well, it's a question that may ostracize you a little bit because it's looked upon as kind of, you know, something strange to practice, Transcendental Meditation. RUSH: Cosmic consciousness? There's nothing strange about -- CALLER: It's not, maybe not more so where you're from than where I'm from. It is not as strange as -- RUSH: How many times a day do you meditate? CALLER: Twice a day for thirty years. RUSH: Are you on the road to cosmic consciousness? CALLER: I would like to think so, yes, sir. RUSH: Because that's the objective of the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. CALLER: Yes, sir, and I think you're very much there, too, because you keep bumping into me in my lucid dreams. RUSH: A-ha. That helps a lot. So when you are meditating, which is another way to lucid dream -- CALLER: No, no, lucid dream is when you're asleep. RUSH: Oh, you're talking about when you're sleeping. CALLER: Yes, meditating. http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_051608/content/01125114.Par.458 4.ImageFile.jpg RUSH: Linda? Linda, I've heard that line before. I mean, when I was younger, I used to use that line all the time. You know I had a dream about you? CALLER: No, it's not that kind of dream. A lucid dream is when you observe your dreams. RUSH: Yeah, but I mean I'm still in 'em. CALLER: Yeah. It's not a pickup line. I'm not trying to pick you up. RUSH: Well, I didn't think you were. CALLER: Although, you did make a comment once a couple years ago, my husband and I heard you talking about being at a party and that you wished you could meet some real people. We volunteer. We're real people. We would love to meet you. RUSH: Oh, that's awfully sweet. You've got a great memory. I do not practice Transcendental Meditation. I know people who have, and that's why I know the terminology. CALLER: Good. Okay. RUSH: And I know about the mantras. CALLER: Uh-huh. RUSH: I have talked about Maharishi University, which is in Iowa. CALLER: Yes, sir. RUSH: And I did say, you know, you got a basketball team there,
[FairfieldLife] TM Puritanism: Thou shalt not suffer a critic to be thought well of
Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live. - Exodus 22:18 This Biblical passage was used to justify some of the greatest injustices ever seen on this planet. The Christians of the Medieval and Renaissance periods used it to justify demonizing or torturing or burning at the stake anyone who was off the radar of mainstream society. Women living alone. Uppity women. Scientists. Astrologers and alchemists. Priests and nuns who would not bow to dogma and the God-given Authority of the Church. And above all heretics, those who challenged the Divine Right of the Church to claim Divinity, and sole access to Divinity. The passage was brought to the New World by Prot- estants, who had been chased out of every country in Europe for (as Alex put it so well today) repre- senting the stypic buttplug approach to morality and spirituality. It landed in full force in Salem, Massachusetts, where Cotton Mather and his Puritan ilk used it as an excuse to persecute and press to death (no burnings there...they were civilized and threw the supposed witches and warlocks into a hole and piled rocks on them until they suffocated from the pressure) the same sorts of people. So what is the TM movement counterpart of Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live? I propose, given the evidence of the TMO's long history and this discussion group, that Maharishi Mahesh Yogi's and the TM movement's variant of this tried and still untrue piece of shit...uh, sorry... dogma is Thou shalt not suffer a TM critic to be thought well of. Is this not the recurring theme we see over and over in the TMO? Is it not the recurring theme we see on this group? Those who have taken the mantle of Defending That Which Only An Idiot Would Try To Defend onto their own shoulders run this number day in and day out here, and the TMO lawyers run it on a larger scale in public. Whenever someone criticizes them or their belief system or their organization or above all their access to money, their *first impulse* is to try to destroy the credibility of the person who is doing the criticisizing. Their second impulse, when that doesn't work, is to become insanely jealous and out of control every time the critic is treated as if he or she were a thinking human being, or worse, a cool human being. Nothing pushes the TM TB's buttons more than to see one of their enemies being liked. It's as if the mere *possibility* that someone accepts or -- crossing myself to ward off evil -- actually *likes* a TM critic sends the compul- sive TM Defender into paroxisyms of jealousy and spite. THEY GO CRAZY. And their next impulse is to lash out, to do some- thing -- anything -- that will restore the social order, bring things back into accord with the Laws Of Nature, reveal this evildoer (who *must* be one because he believes something different than the TM TBs believe) to justice. He or she *must* be discredited, or if the TM Defenders cannot do that, they must *claim* that the critic has been discredited. And who are these claims *made* to? Not the objective and fairly dispassionate lurkers. They are capable of -- and have always been capable of -- coming to their own conclusions about posters on this forum, be they TM supporters or TM critics. What the compulsive TM Defenders have to say in their attempts to demonize the critics probably isn't going to affect them much one way or another. No, the appeal of the TM Defender is to *Other TM Defenders*, or to those they want to recruit to that cause. And if you watch the traffic here on FFL, those are the *only* people who play pile on and reward the demonizers for their efforts. It's called preaching to the converted. Which, interestingly, is pretty much the only people that the TMO or its compulsive Defenders *can* preach to any more. Those who can think for themselves do so. The only people who fall for Demonize the critic are those who are already programmed to do so. Just my opinion... I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use. -- Galileo Galilei, from God and Reason, hounded and demonized during his life by the same sorts of people
[FairfieldLife] Re: Priest Becomes Episcopalian to Marry
Excellent writing, Edg. Amen. Eh, nope! His real problem is indulging in that aspect of his personality that found rewards in being a Catholic. Taking off the Catholicism mask is good, but he's still all set up and ready to attach to some other dogma that yields the same kinds of psychological profits. He'll almost certain go into some sort of teaching or counseling scenario. And that aspect (indulging: repetitively rerunning beliefs that please one's ego) is bone deep and entwined with virtually every other psychological dynamic and cannot be rooted out without wholly cutting asunder every sort of attachment -- the pain of ripping out THOSE ROOTS is massive while dropping going to church, or being a priest is a much easier accomplishment. If I have learned anything in life, it's that a concept has little power, but the daily iterations of brain processes that symbolize our attachments -- now that's a potent method for hardwiring one's brain to produce a personality that, because it reprocesses with regularity, creates the illusion of personality continuity in our moment by moment existence. And the ego loves its mirror. You can take the guy out of the country, but try to take the country out of the guy -- that's fucking hard. It's like giving up salt after a lifetime of sprinkling salt on everything -- suddenly nothing can please one's taste buds which need to be entirely recalibrated by a life of OTHER kinds of processing that are iterated with as much frequency and over as many years as the use of salt entailed. One has to get used to saltlessness when one is eating potato chips. Giving up salt is easy; giving it up for every mouthful of food for the rest of your life is hard. That's why Turq ran away from America. It was like quitting Catholicism; and now, every day, he has to get up and define himself as an expat to his neo-society -- that daily grind, for years, will turn him into a non-American, but it's a close race between him and death. My bet is that there's not enough time left in his life to really saturate himself with expat-ness enough to drown out and dilute his American parts. Funnily enough, Turq's posts here would be recognized by most of the world as from an American. He's proud that he's anointed himself with the moniker of free to do whatever the fuck I want to do cuz I got money and skills, so take your dogmas and shove 'em up your puritanical asses. Try wearing that mask openly in most societies of the world. Only in his tourist areas etc. can Turq pull off that kind of anarchy and remain reasonably safe from physical attack -- he'd not be accepted into any society if they really knew him as well as we here have come to know him and grasp that he's out to wreck havoc on any belief. The priest has a long long long way to go before he's not a priest. Edg
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy: All Hat, No Cattle; was What is Enlightenment? - MMY
emptybill wrote: Why don't you just ask for validating proof - as in tradition, text and translation and page? Good idea, Bill! The Tathagata has the eye transcendent wisdom. Diamond Sutra: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond_Sutra Thus shall you think of this fleeting world: A star at dawn, a bubble in a stream, A flash of lightning in a summer cloud, A flickering lamp, a phantom, and a dream. Vajracchedikaprajnaparamitasutra: http://tinyurl.com/kjaez3
[FairfieldLife] Re: What were the lawsuits against MMY?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: When MMY visited MIU during the Taste of Utopia course, the sheriff was at the frat he was staying in, trying to subpoena him. Lenny Goldman successfully fended him off. If the americans had gotten hold of Maharishi the same would have happened to Him as to Rajneesh; a vaccine in the arm and 5 years later; dead. How they tried and never even was able to get into His room, not the CIA in Europe, not the sheriff in the USA. The americans sure did try to crucify Him but had to give in to Invincibility. Now slowly they will have to pay their dues. Their beloved capitalism is dying, the dollar is slowly but steadily becoming a pariah currency; soon even oil will not be traded in $. And the Pundits who have kept that nation afloat so far ? Personally I do not think they will stay in Iowa very long. Who can save the americans from their collective carma of raping nations and their resources for centuries, creating countless of wars and fascist regimes all over the world except in Europe, Russia and China ? Obama ? Though I'm in favor of the fellow, this carma is to enormous for even him to handle. This is a flood, not even Obama will be able to borrow enough money overseas to be able to stop the already begun collapse. The world is fed up with greed and they will not be able to borrow more money to finance their system. Quite the contrary; many heavy lenders to the americans since the last 50 years are contemplating cashing in their american state-bonds in dollars (the japanese comes to mind). Then who will pay ? The american state ? Dream on, they are already techically bankcrupt. Will the American people themselves, with the inspiration from Maitreya, clean out the mess and seek a new beginning? Perhaps. But not before they realize that their hollow empire built on violence, greed and entertainment is finished. Gone. Reading FFL it seems this point of no return amongst americans is still somewhat wanting. Young, newly incarnated cowboy-souls think they are toppers. Forgetting that they are balancing at the top of the abyss.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM mantras and meaning
What we're more likely seeing IMO is an attempt by the Brahmin overlords to connect tantric ideas to their scriptures through tricks of exegesis... There's no trick involved, Vaj. The TM bija mantras are derived from the tantric Sri Vidya tradition of Karnataka. Swami Brahmananda Saraswati belonged to the Saraswati sampradaya which is headquartered at Sringeri. Swamiji's guru was Swami Krishananda Saraswati. All the Saraswati gurus follow the Sri Vidya tradition. The TM bija mantras are enumerated in the main scripture of Sri Vidya, the 'Saundaryalahari' which was composed by the Adi Shankara. Read more: Auspicious Wisdom: http://www.rwilliams.us/archives/srividya.htm Excerpt from 'Auspicious Wisdom: Like the other Sankara texts, it is possible that SL was composed either in the Sankara matha of Srinigeri or Kanchipuram. The attribution of these four works to Sankara solidifies connections between smarta brahmans, who identify with one of the southern Sankara pithas, and Sakta and Srividya traditionalists. Work cited: Auspicious Wisdom by Douglas Renfrew Brooks State University of New York Press, 1992 (page 47-48)
[FairfieldLife] Re: There is nothing solid and resistant in this world.
bob_brigante wrote: All this is pure consciousness... ...consciousness-only or mind-only is a theory according to which unenlightened conscious experience is nothing but false discriminations or imaginations. Read more: Consciousness-only: http://tinyurl.com/mwjcs3 ...there is nothing that humans experience that is not mediated by mind. Read more: Yogacara: http://tinyurl.com/maybdr
[FairfieldLife] How to Make Terrorists Talk
that you're going to give them up, and they'll run for it. So if you want to help yourself, to get a lighter sentence, you've got to tell me everything right now, because in a couple of hours you'll have nothing of value to trade.' That trick led to Maddox's finest hour in Iraq. At 6 a.m. on December 13, 2003, the final day of his tour of duty, two hours before his flight out of Baghdad, he began interrogating Mohammed Ibrahim, a midranking Baath Party leader known to be close to Saddam Hussein. More than 40 of Ibrahim's friends and family members associated with the insurgency were already in custody. For an hour and a half, Maddox tried to persuade him that giving up Saddam could lead to the release of his friends and family. Then Maddox played his final card: I told him he had to talk quickly because Saddam might move, he says. I also said that once I got on the plane, I would no longer be able to help him. My colleagues would just toss him in prison. Instead of saving 40 of his friends and family, he'd become No. 41. It worked. That evening, Ibrahim's directions led U.S. forces to Saddam's spider hole. http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20090529/us_time/09171190149100;_ylt=AhqoBd_rIZpvhtJGdwls16Bv24cA;_ylu=X3oDMTJzazlkZm5rBGFzc2V0Ay90aW1lLzIwMDkwNTI5L3VzX3RpbWUvMDkxNzExOTAxNDkxMDAEY3BvcwM0BHBvcwM0BHNlYwN5bl90b3Bfc3RvcmllcwRzbGsDaG93ZG95b3VtYWtl Love will swallow you, eat you up completely, until there is no `you,' only love. - Amma
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM mantras and meaning
Because we know where the mantras come from... We know that the TM bija mantras came from the Sri Vidya tradition. We also know that Guru Dev's teacher was from Sringeri, the headquarters of the Sri Vidya sect. All the Saraswati acharyas worship the Sri Vidya. The Adi Shankaracharya of Sringeri not only initiated disciples into Sri Vidya practices, but said: Worship of Sri Chakra is a must for the Swamis of the peetha. So, let's go figure. There is a shrine to Shankara at the Sri Vidya temple down in Kanchipuram peeth, wherein lies the Sri Cakra or Sri Yantra. And, the Swami Rama's recounted in his book, 'Living With the Himalyan Masters', a direct, first hand account of Guru Dev having a Sri Yantra in his possession. Guru Dev and Sri Vidya And, isn't it a fact that the principal deity, Saradambal, the 'Goddess of Learning', that is, Saraswati, is a focus of a mighty spiritual force? According to my informant, Saradambal, by all accounts, is a deity of Kashmir who was literally brought down to the south of India by Adi Shankara. He installed the idol made of sandalwood on a Sri Chakra drawn by himself. Read more: From: Willytex Subject: Maharishi's Saradambal, Goddess of Learning Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: Fri, Sep 16 2005 2:04 pm http://tinyurl.com/yzjfsv
[FairfieldLife] Re: What were the lawsuits against MMY?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@ wrote: When MMY visited MIU during the Taste of Utopia course, the sheriff was at the frat he was staying in, trying to subpoena him. Lenny Goldman successfully fended him off. If the americans had gotten hold of Maharishi the same would have happened to Him as to Rajneesh; a vaccine in the arm and 5 years later; dead. How they tried and never even was able to get into His room, not the CIA in Europe, not the sheriff in the USA. The americans sure did try to crucify Him but had to give in to Invincibility. Chopra seems to suggests that someone did get to Maharishi, but he survived and went right along with business. Now slowly they will have to pay their dues. Their beloved capitalism is dying, the dollar is slowly but steadily becoming a pariah currency; soon even oil will not be traded in $. The only thing left worth having is holistic living and the natural tendency of life to grow towards more and more wholeness of Being. Who can save the americans from their collective carma of raping nations and their resources for centuries, creating countless of wars and fascist regimes all over the world except in Europe, Russia and China ? The American land has a deep well of good karma that cannot be touched by these paltry superficial beings that have used its glory for their own edification. America is invincible. Greed is not. Obama ? Though I'm in favor of the fellow, this carma is to enormous for even him to handle. He will be fine. If not, then others will arrive. The nature of life is to grow, and everything is in perfect order, unfolding like a flower opening in the sun. This is a flood, not even Obama will be able to borrow enough money overseas to be able to stop the already begun collapse. People don't care so much about money anymore. The transformation has occured. People want richness of satisfaction in work and life, contribute to society, and help thy neighbor. Perhaps. But not before they realize that their hollow empire built on violence, greed and entertainment is finished. Gone. Reading FFL it seems this point of no return amongst americans is still somewhat wanting. Young, newly incarnated cowboy-souls think they are toppers. Forgetting that they are balancing at the top of the abyss. More like grubbing around in the pigsty :-) OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Puritanism: Thou shalt not suffer a critic to be thought well of
We love critics, but not so much the fanatic insane haters such as you Turq, with no basis in reality for your claime -- You are a lot like Rush Limbaugh. Despite all your fanatic hate, we still love you though. OffWorld --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live. - Exodus 22:18 This Biblical passage was used to justify some of the greatest injustices ever seen on this planet. The Christians of the Medieval and Renaissance periods used it to justify demonizing or torturing or burning at the stake anyone who was off the radar of mainstream society. Women living alone. Uppity women. Scientists. Astrologers and alchemists. Priests and nuns who would not bow to dogma and the God-given Authority of the Church. And above all heretics, those who challenged the Divine Right of the Church to claim Divinity, and sole access to Divinity. The passage was brought to the New World by Prot- estants, who had been chased out of every country in Europe for (as Alex put it so well today) repre- senting the stypic buttplug approach to morality and spirituality. It landed in full force in Salem, Massachusetts, where Cotton Mather and his Puritan ilk used it as an excuse to persecute and press to death (no burnings there...they were civilized and threw the supposed witches and warlocks into a hole and piled rocks on them until they suffocated from the pressure) the same sorts of people. So what is the TM movement counterpart of Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live? I propose, given the evidence of the TMO's long history and this discussion group, that Maharishi Mahesh Yogi's and the TM movement's variant of this tried and still untrue piece of shit...uh, sorry... dogma is Thou shalt not suffer a TM critic to be thought well of. Is this not the recurring theme we see over and over in the TMO? Is it not the recurring theme we see on this group? Those who have taken the mantle of Defending That Which Only An Idiot Would Try To Defend onto their own shoulders run this number day in and day out here, and the TMO lawyers run it on a larger scale in public. Whenever someone criticizes them or their belief system or their organization or above all their access to money, their *first impulse* is to try to destroy the credibility of the person who is doing the criticisizing. Their second impulse, when that doesn't work, is to become insanely jealous and out of control every time the critic is treated as if he or she were a thinking human being, or worse, a cool human being. Nothing pushes the TM TB's buttons more than to see one of their enemies being liked. It's as if the mere *possibility* that someone accepts or -- crossing myself to ward off evil -- actually *likes* a TM critic sends the compul- sive TM Defender into paroxisyms of jealousy and spite. THEY GO CRAZY. And their next impulse is to lash out, to do some- thing -- anything -- that will restore the social order, bring things back into accord with the Laws Of Nature, reveal this evildoer (who *must* be one because he believes something different than the TM TBs believe) to justice. He or she *must* be discredited, or if the TM Defenders cannot do that, they must *claim* that the critic has been discredited. And who are these claims *made* to? Not the objective and fairly dispassionate lurkers. They are capable of -- and have always been capable of -- coming to their own conclusions about posters on this forum, be they TM supporters or TM critics. What the compulsive TM Defenders have to say in their attempts to demonize the critics probably isn't going to affect them much one way or another. No, the appeal of the TM Defender is to *Other TM Defenders*, or to those they want to recruit to that cause. And if you watch the traffic here on FFL, those are the *only* people who play pile on and reward the demonizers for their efforts. It's called preaching to the converted. Which, interestingly, is pretty much the only people that the TMO or its compulsive Defenders *can* preach to any more. Those who can think for themselves do so. The only people who fall for Demonize the critic are those who are already programmed to do so. Just my opinion... I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use. -- Galileo Galilei, from God and Reason, hounded and demonized during his life by the same sorts of people
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Who is Rush Limbaugh?'
I watched Valkyrie on Blu-Ray last night. It is interesting to see the similarities between what is going on in the US, particularly during the Fourth Reich Bush administration, and what went on during that time in Germany. There is an excellent documentary on the disk too which gives an excellent picture of the rise of Hitler along with the events of the assassination attempt. Limbaugh is just shill for the Fourth Reich. The caller has shit for brains to say: Thank you so much for educating me in the ways of politics. Well it would be an education all right into the ways of the wingnut hate mongers like Limbaugh. shempmcgurk wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: He's an old TM Practitioner. That's who he is. Don't know if he's still practicing, but he has been known to speak highly of it. the following is from Limbaugh's own website (replete with MIU logo): http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_051608/content/01125114.gues\ t.html http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_051608/content/01125114.gue\ st.html Does the Maha Rushie Meditate?May 16, 2008 Listen To It! WMP http://stream.rushlimbaugh.com/cgi-bin/members.cgi?stream=clips/08/05/0\ 51608_9_meditation.wmasite=rushlimb | RealPlayer http://stream.rushlimbaugh.com/cgi-bin/members.cgi?stream=clips/08/05/0\ 51608_9_meditation.rmsite=rushlimb Audio clips available for Rush 24/7 members only -- Join Now! http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/Rush247.guest.html BEGIN TRANSCRIPTRUSH: Anyway, who's next on this program? Linda in Jackson, Mississippi. Hello. CALLER: Hello? RUSH: Hello. CALLER: Hello, Mr. Limbaugh. RUSH: Hi Linda, how are you? CALLER: I'm just wonderful. Thank you so much -- RUSH: You're welcome. CALLER: -- for educating me in the ways of politics. RUSH: Thank you. CALLER: And thank you so much for taking my call. RUSH: You're welcome. CALLER: I had a very simple little question I've thought of for probably ten years, maybe not that long. I wanted to ask you, and then I told Mr. Snerdley I had one simple question, I decided maybe I should make it as a statement, therefore being a perfectly honest, wonderful human being you are, you would not be forced to have to answer. So I've concluded over listening to a few statements that you've made over the years that you must practice TM. And you don't have to answer me if you don't want to, because you are such a wonderful, gracious gentleman, one of the things -- RUSH: Well, now, wait a second, but you are curious. I understand the structure that you have created here, making your statement in observation form, thereby not requiring me to provide an answer, but you still are curious.CALLER: I'm still what? RUSH: You're not curious? CALLER: I am curious. RUSH: You are curious, yes. CALLER: But I didn't want to put you on the spot because -- RUSH: Well, you're not putting me on the spot. CALLER: Well, it's a question that may ostracize you a little bit because it's looked upon as kind of, you know, something strange to practice, Transcendental Meditation. RUSH: Cosmic consciousness? There's nothing strange about -- CALLER: It's not, maybe not more so where you're from than where I'm from. It is not as strange as -- RUSH: How many times a day do you meditate? CALLER: Twice a day for thirty years. RUSH: Are you on the road to cosmic consciousness? CALLER: I would like to think so, yes, sir. RUSH: Because that's the objective of the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. CALLER: Yes, sir, and I think you're very much there, too, because you keep bumping into me in my lucid dreams. RUSH: A-ha. That helps a lot. So when you are meditating, which is another way to lucid dream -- CALLER: No, no, lucid dream is when you're asleep. RUSH: Oh, you're talking about when you're sleeping. CALLER: Yes, meditating. RUSH: Linda? Linda, I've heard that line before. I mean, when I was younger, I used to use that line all the time. You know I had a dream about you? CALLER: No, it's not that kind of dream. A lucid dream is when you observe your dreams. RUSH: Yeah, but I mean I'm still in 'em. CALLER: Yeah. It's not a pickup line. I'm not trying to pick you up. RUSH: Well, I didn't think you were. CALLER: Although, you did make a comment once a couple years ago, my husband and I heard you talking about being at a party and that you wished you could meet some real people. We volunteer. We're real people. We would love to meet you. RUSH: Oh, that's awfully sweet. You've got a great memory. I do not practice Transcendental Meditation. I know people who have, and that's why I know the terminology. CALLER: Good. Okay. RUSH: And I know about the mantras. CALLER: Uh-huh. RUSH: I have talked about Maharishi University, which is in Iowa. CALLER: Yes, sir. RUSH: And I did say, you know, you got a basketball team there, and I said the official
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Who is Rush Limbaugh?'
Well, so far, the only hate I've read on this thread was from Robert and Bhairitu. I'm under the impression Rush was initiated when he was younger then stopped and now may be getting back into it being fulfilled materially and being aware of his own mortality. --- On Fri, 5/29/09, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Who is Rush Limbaugh?' To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, May 29, 2009, 7:50 PM I watched Valkyrie on Blu-Ray last night. It is interesting to see the similarities between what is going on in the US, particularly during the Fourth Reich Bush administration, and what went on during that time in Germany. There is an excellent documentary on the disk too which gives an excellent picture of the rise of Hitler along with the events of the assassination attempt. Limbaugh is just shill for the Fourth Reich. The caller has shit for brains to say: Thank you so much for educating me in the ways of politics. Well it would be an education all right into the ways of the wingnut hate mongers like Limbaugh. shempmcgurk wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: He's an old TM Practitioner. That's who he is. Don't know if he's still practicing, but he has been known to speak highly of it. the following is from Limbaugh's own website (replete with MIU logo): http://www.rushlimb augh.com/ home/daily/ site_051608/ content/01125114 .gues\ t.html http://www.rushlimb augh.com/ home/daily/ site_051608/ content/01125114 ..gue\ st.html Does the Maha Rushie Meditate?May 16, 2008 Listen To It! WMP http://stream. rushlimbaugh. com/cgi-bin/ members.cgi? stream=clips/ 08/05/0\ 51608_9_meditation. wmasite= rushlimb | RealPlayer http://stream. rushlimbaugh. com/cgi-bin/ members.cgi? stream=clips/ 08/05/0\ 51608_9_meditation. rmsite=rushlimb Audio clips available for Rush 24/7 members only -- Join Now! http://www.rushlimb augh.com/ home/Rush247. guest.html BEGIN TRANSCRIPTRUSH: Anyway, who's next on this program? Linda in Jackson, Mississippi. Hello. CALLER: Hello? RUSH: Hello. CALLER: Hello, Mr. Limbaugh. RUSH: Hi Linda, how are you? CALLER: I'm just wonderful. Thank you so much -- RUSH: You're welcome. CALLER: -- for educating me in the ways of politics. RUSH: Thank you. CALLER: And thank you so much for taking my call. RUSH: You're welcome. CALLER: I had a very simple little question I've thought of for probably ten years, maybe not that long. I wanted to ask you, and then I told Mr. Snerdley I had one simple question, I decided maybe I should make it as a statement, therefore being a perfectly honest, wonderful human being you are, you would not be forced to have to answer. So I've concluded over listening to a few statements that you've made over the years that you must practice TM. And you don't have to answer me if you don't want to, because you are such a wonderful, gracious gentleman, one of the things -- RUSH: Well, now, wait a second, but you are curious. I understand the structure that you have created here, making your statement in observation form, thereby not requiring me to provide an answer, but you still are curious.CALLER: I'm still what? RUSH: You're not curious? CALLER: I am curious. RUSH: You are curious, yes. CALLER: But I didn't want to put you on the spot because -- RUSH: Well, you're not putting me on the spot. CALLER: Well, it's a question that may ostracize you a little bit because it's looked upon as kind of, you know, something strange to practice, Transcendental Meditation. RUSH: Cosmic consciousness? There's nothing strange about -- CALLER: It's not, maybe not more so where you're from than where I'm from. It is not as strange as -- RUSH: How many times a day do you meditate? CALLER: Twice a day for thirty years. RUSH: Are you on the road to cosmic consciousness? CALLER: I would like to think so, yes, sir. RUSH: Because that's the objective of the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. CALLER: Yes, sir, and I think you're very much there, too, because you keep bumping into me in my lucid dreams. RUSH: A-ha. That helps a lot. So when you are meditating, which is another way to lucid dream -- CALLER: No, no, lucid dream is when you're asleep. RUSH: Oh, you're talking about when you're sleeping. CALLER: Yes, meditating. RUSH: Linda? Linda, I've heard that line before. I mean, when I was younger, I used to use that line all the time. You know I had a dream about you? CALLER: No, it's not that kind of dream. A lucid dream is when you observe your dreams. RUSH: Yeah, but I mean I'm still in 'em. CALLER: Yeah. It's not a pickup line. I'm not trying to pick you up. RUSH: Well, I didn't think you were. CALLER: Although, you did make a comment once a couple years ago, my husband and I heard you talking about being at a party and that you wished you could
[FairfieldLife] Petraeus Admits: ' US violated Geneva Convention '
Gen. Petraeus: US violated Geneva Convention, the court of law could try terrorists: we made mistakes after 9/11: Close Gitmo VIDEO HERE: http://crooksandliars.com/john-amato/gen-petraeus-believes-our-values... Gen. Petraeus joined FOX News and Martha MacCallum today and gave a blockbuster interview, but probably not the one Fox expected. Once again, he called for the responsible closure of the military prison at Guantanamo Bay. He also said that mistakes were made after 9/11 and that the Army Field Manual is all that we need to use to interrogate prisoners. In addition, he said that we have to have faith in our judicial system and we should try the Khalid Sheikh Muhammads in a court of law. Martha tried to give him the ticking time bomb scenario to justify torture and he really didn't bite. He did say maybe an Executive Order could be appropriate, but that it really wasn't necessary. Petraeus repudiated pretty much most of what Limbaugh Republicans and the Rove/ Newt/Cheney Party have been saying. Transcript: MacCallum: Where do you think those people should go? Gen. Petraeus: Well, it's not for a soldier to say. What I do support is what has been termed the responsible closure of Gitmo. Gitmo has caused us problems, there's no question about it. I oversee a region in which the existence of Gitmo has been used by the enemy against us. We have not been without missteps or mistakes in our activity since 9/11 and again Gitmo is a lingering reminder for the use of some in that regard. MacCallum: What about the concern that a Khalid Sheikh Muhammad or anybody of that ilk might be tried here in a US court and the possibility that some of the treatments that were used on them that they could go free. Gen. Petraeus: Well, first of all, I don't think we should be afraid of our values we're fighting for, what we stand for. And so indeed we need to embrace them and we need to operationalize them in how we carry out what it is we're doing on the battlefield and everywhere else. So one has to have some faith, I think, in the legal system. One has to have a degree of confidence that individuals that have conducted such extremist activity would indeed be found guilty in our courts of law. MacCallum: So you're confident that they will never go free. Gen. Petraeus: I hope that's the case. MacCallum: (Ticking time bomb scenario) Gen. Petraeus: T here might be an exception and that would require extraordinary but very rapid approval to deal with, but for the vast majority of the cases, our experience downrange if you will, is that the techniques that are in the Army Field Manual that lays out how we treat detainees, how we interrogate them -- those techniques work, that's our experience in this business. MacCallum: So is sending this signal that we're not going to use these kind of techniques anymore, what kind of impact does this have on people who do us harm in the field that you operate in? Gen. Petraeus: Well, actually what I would ask is, does that not take away from our enemies a tool which again have beaten us around the head and shoulders in the court of public opinion? When we have taken steps that have violated the Geneva Conventions, we rightly have been criticized, so as we move forward I think it's important to again live our values, to live the agreements that we have made in the international justice arena and to practice those. Wow, there was a lot in that interview. I couldn't transcribe it all. He admits that we violated the Geneva Convention. Is he saying that the Bush/Cheney administration failed our value system in their leadership in the two wars and how America responded to the 9/11 attacks? He obviously is against torture. He is also saying to let the chips fall where they may in prosecuting these detainees and use our legal system to try terror suspects. Martha didn't go into the military commissions, but if they come here, just let them stand trial. All the conservatives and Republicans anointed Gen. Petraeus as the true leader of the wars when George Bush decided he didn't want to take the heat on the war any longer. Remember when to question him was sacrilegious? Will they now disavow what he is telling them today? After the interview, the other Fox host predictably tried to intimate that Petraeus was working for Obama now so, ya know, he's in the tank for him. Whatever happened to listening to the generals on the ground being critical to our victory in Iraq? He said that our values as a country do change in a time of war -- a scary notion -- so Bush is just all right. Don't they ever give up with their Bush-hero worshiping? How long will it take Rush Limbaugh to lash out at the General? What about Newt and Rove? http://crooksandliars.com/john-amato/gen-petraeus-believes-our-values...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Priest Becomes Episcopalian to Marry
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: To All: Does he really think marriage will solve his problems? His problem is the Catholic Church. Ditching the Catholic Church solves his problem. Eh, nope! His real problem is indulging in that aspect of his personality that found rewards in being a Catholic. Taking off the Catholicism mask is good, but he's still all set up and ready to attach to some other dogma that yields the same kinds of psychological profits. He'll almost certain go into some sort of teaching or counseling scenario. [snip] That's all very nice and possibly even true, but it's far beyond the scope of the original article, which dealt only with his split with the Catholic Church over the issue of celibacy.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Hollywoods Fastest Growing Religion
Stu wrote: I think some of you may appreciate this alternative to the TM org. http://www.pyrasphere.com/ First they need to make a web site that doesn't crash. What is it using? Silverlight? What are you working on these days (if you can say)? How's things in the 'wood?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Who is Rush Limbaugh?'
Just listen to Limbaugh and you'll hear plenty of hate radio. A lot of people learned TM back in the day (1970s) but many stopped after a few months or a year or two. Very few returned. I did have one initiate who being a relative I know still practices TM. Mike Dixon wrote: Well, so far, the only hate I've read on this thread was from Robert and Bhairitu. I'm under the impression Rush was initiated when he was younger then stopped and now may be getting back into it being fulfilled materially and being aware of his own mortality. --- On Fri, 5/29/09, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Who is Rush Limbaugh?' To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, May 29, 2009, 7:50 PM I watched Valkyrie on Blu-Ray last night. It is interesting to see the similarities between what is going on in the US, particularly during the Fourth Reich Bush administration, and what went on during that time in Germany. There is an excellent documentary on the disk too which gives an excellent picture of the rise of Hitler along with the events of the assassination attempt. Limbaugh is just shill for the Fourth Reich. The caller has shit for brains to say: Thank you so much for educating me in the ways of politics. Well it would be an education all right into the ways of the wingnut hate mongers like Limbaugh. shempmcgurk wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: He's an old TM Practitioner. That's who he is. Don't know if he's still practicing, but he has been known to speak highly of it. the following is from Limbaugh's own website (replete with MIU logo): http://www.rushlimb augh.com/ home/daily/ site_051608/ content/01125114 .gues\ t.html http://www.rushlimb augh.com/ home/daily/ site_051608/ content/01125114 ..gue\ st.html Does the Maha Rushie Meditate?May 16, 2008 Listen To It! WMP http://stream. rushlimbaugh. com/cgi-bin/ members.cgi? stream=clips/ 08/05/0\ 51608_9_meditation. wmasite= rushlimb | RealPlayer http://stream. rushlimbaugh. com/cgi-bin/ members.cgi? stream=clips/ 08/05/0\ 51608_9_meditation. rmsite=rushlimb Audio clips available for Rush 24/7 members only -- Join Now! http://www.rushlimb augh.com/ home/Rush247. guest.html BEGIN TRANSCRIPTRUSH: Anyway, who's next on this program? Linda in Jackson, Mississippi. Hello. CALLER: Hello? RUSH: Hello. CALLER: Hello, Mr. Limbaugh. RUSH: Hi Linda, how are you? CALLER: I'm just wonderful. Thank you so much -- RUSH: You're welcome. CALLER: -- for educating me in the ways of politics. RUSH: Thank you. CALLER: And thank you so much for taking my call. RUSH: You're welcome. CALLER: I had a very simple little question I've thought of for probably ten years, maybe not that long. I wanted to ask you, and then I told Mr. Snerdley I had one simple question, I decided maybe I should make it as a statement, therefore being a perfectly honest, wonderful human being you are, you would not be forced to have to answer. So I've concluded over listening to a few statements that you've made over the years that you must practice TM. And you don't have to answer me if you don't want to, because you are such a wonderful, gracious gentleman, one of the things -- RUSH: Well, now, wait a second, but you are curious. I understand the structure that you have created here, making your statement in observation form, thereby not requiring me to provide an answer, but you still are curious.CALLER: I'm still what? RUSH: You're not curious? CALLER: I am curious. RUSH: You are curious, yes. CALLER: But I didn't want to put you on the spot because -- RUSH: Well, you're not putting me on the spot. CALLER: Well, it's a question that may ostracize you a little bit because it's looked upon as kind of, you know, something strange to practice, Transcendental Meditation. RUSH: Cosmic consciousness? There's nothing strange about -- CALLER: It's not, maybe not more so where you're from than where I'm from. It is not as strange as -- RUSH: How many times a day do you meditate? CALLER: Twice a day for thirty years. RUSH: Are you on the road to cosmic consciousness? CALLER: I would like to think so, yes, sir. RUSH: Because that's the objective of the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. CALLER: Yes, sir, and I think you're very much there, too, because you keep bumping into me in my lucid dreams. RUSH: A-ha. That helps a lot. So when you are meditating, which is another way to lucid dream -- CALLER: No, no, lucid dream is when you're asleep. RUSH: Oh, you're talking about when you're sleeping. CALLER: Yes, meditating. RUSH: Linda? Linda, I've heard that line before. I mean, when I was younger, I used to use that line all the time. You know I had a dream about you? CALLER: No, it's not that kind of dream. A lucid dream is when you
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hollywoods Fastest Growing Religion
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: Stu wrote: I think some of you may appreciate this alternative to the TM org. http://www.pyrasphere.com/ First they need to make a web site that doesn't crash. What is it using? Silverlight? Worked fine for me in Windows/Firefox. I looked at the page source, and it looks like the site was made on a Mac: meta name=Generator content=iWeb 3.0.1 / meta name=iWeb-Build content=local-build-20090513 / meta http-equiv=X-UA-Compatible content=IE=EmulateIE7 / meta name=viewport content=width=700 /
[FairfieldLife] A movie no one else here is likely to review
As a fitting 50th post and end to the FFL posting week, allow me to review the film I watched tonight. It's not only the end of the posting week for me, but the end of a long, leading-up-to-the-unrealistic- software-deadline-that-no-one-human-could-ever-have- met-but-I-did week. So I figured I had a night of pure, unadulterated cinema pleasure and a glass of an extraordinarily rare and expensive single malt Scotch coming to me. I had many films to choose from. Pirated or review copies of films seen so far only by the audiences at Cannes. Art films. Serious films. Contenders-for-next- -year's-Oscars films. Good films. I decided to go for the other extreme and watch Phil Claydon's Lesbian Vampire Killers. And I'll be damned if it wasn't a good film after all. Or at least a very funny one. It had me laughing out loud at least three times before the title screen rolled, and didn't let up appreciably after that. It's a very, very funny British horror movie parody, which is another way of saying it's right up there with Edgar Wright's brilliant Shaun Of The Dead. That, for the uninitiated, is high praise indeed. This film should be seen as remedial education for prudes like BillyG and jr_esq and Edg. But that is almost certainly compassionate Hope For The Irre- deemably Stupid on my part. They'd never get it. They would be *offended* by the things that guys who still have a pair consider funny. They'd avert their eyes at the sight of the bevy of brutishly beautiful buxom British booty babes (sorry...I got stuck in a loop of alliteration there...) who adorn this movie. The only thing they'd think of when encountering women who want nothing more than to suck men dry is that that's a Bad Thing, and probably is aimed at their kundalini, not their blood or seminal fluids. Those who -- unlike the prudes mentioned above -- who still have blood in their veins and who do not break out into hives at the thought of it rushing south of the chakra border at the sight of a few attractive women, might enjoy this movie. Yeah, it's dumb, and so are the characters in it. But so was the TM move- ment, and some of us survived it. So take a chance...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ayurvedic recipes
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy: All Hat, No Cattle; was What is Enlightenment? - MMY
On May 29, 2009, at 12:46 PM, Jason wrote: I want to know who gave him the title *Maharishi* .?? Why does he put his bald head in all the org's emblems.?? I think he was a good meditation teacher, but a very poor Philosophy teacher.!! Paradoxicaly, I know many good philosophy teachers who are poor meditation teachers.!! All his titles are self-proclaimed. The movement spiel is that people heard a rumor at one of his early lectures in Southern India that a maharishi was coming from the Himalayas, i.e. probably suggested by some forward materials for the lecture. After that, he just assumed the name himself. According to one of the Shanks. he also added the yogi and was never actually trained as a yogi (thus the asana course made my a gym teacher). Joyce Collin-Smith, an early secretary, actually caught him adding His Holiness to his other aliases.
[FairfieldLife] Critter morality
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[FairfieldLife] ...the Word is the reverberation of the ultimate reality
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Ayurvedic recipes
Thanks for this post. I was the one a week or so ago who was complaining about the $8.00 minimum FedEx shipping fee it now costs for MAPI to ship you anything. And that's on top of the $16.00 cost for Vata Churna, which is the only thing I buy from them. And that's $16.00 for is, obviously, less than $2.00 RETAIL of spices. The shipping charge was the final straw. I'd be more than happy to pay the $16.00 overinflated price if that's all it was. But no way with the shipping charge. I tried to put together my own concoction working from the ingredients listed but it wasn't quite right...so I am really looking forward to trying what's listed here for the Vata Churna! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: Posted, with permission, from TM Free Why pay more, make your own. There is some talk on FFL about the high cost of the churnas (dosha- balancing spice mixtures) produced by MAP*. I am not a member of FFL but I have the recipes for these churnas (as well as the teas) so I thought by posting them here under this open thread that someone from FFL might see them and post them over there Vata Churna: 6 parts cumin 3 parts ginger 2 parts fenugreek 2 parts turmeric 1 part turbinado sugar ½ part salt ½ part asafoetida (hing) in a rice flour base Pitta Churna: 6 parts coriander 4 parts fennel 3 parts cumin 2 parts turbinado sugar 1 part cardamom 1 part ginger 1 part turmeric ½ part cinnamon ½ part salt Kapha Churna: 7 parts ginger 3 parts pepper 1 part turbinado sugar 1 part coriander 1 part turmeric ½ part salt ½ part cinnamon Vata Tea: 5 parts licorice root 2½ parts ginger 2 parts cardamom 1 part cinnamon Pitta Tea: 1 part cardamom 1 part licorice root 1 part ginger ½ part cinnamon ½ part dried rose petals Kapha Tea (don't have proportions but ingredients are always listed from most to least): ginger cloves pepper cardamom turmeric I particularly like the Vata churna and tea...some of you might enjoy these also.
Re: [FairfieldLife] TM Puritanism: Thou shalt not suffer a critic to be thought well of
On May 29, 2009, at 2:49 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: So what is the TM movement counterpart of Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live? I propose, given the evidence of the TMO's long history and this discussion group, that Maharishi Mahesh Yogi's and the TM movement's variant of this tried and still untrue piece of shit...uh, sorry... dogma is Thou shalt not suffer a TM critic to be thought well of. Is this not the recurring theme we see over and over in the TMO? Is it not the recurring theme we see on this group? Oh definitely. But character assassination, well poisoning, hasty generalizations, straw men, ad hominems--are also used by people who don't have anything intelligent or worthwhile to add to what is being said. Being filled with fear, they lash out and show us their insides. Those who have taken the mantle of Defending That Which Only An Idiot Would Try To Defend onto their own shoulders run this number day in and day out here, and the TMO lawyers run it on a larger scale in public. Whenever someone criticizes them or their belief system or their organization or above all their access to money, their *first impulse* is to try to destroy the credibility of the person who is doing the criticisizing. Their second impulse, when that doesn't work, is to become insanely jealous and out of control every time the critic is treated as if he or she were a thinking human being, or worse, a cool human being. Nothing pushes the TM TB's buttons more than to see one of their enemies being liked. Yes, I've noticed that. It's as if the mere *possibility* that someone accepts or -- crossing myself to ward off evil -- actually *likes* a TM critic sends the compul- sive TM Defender into paroxisyms of jealousy and spite. THEY GO CRAZY. And their next impulse is to lash out, to do some- thing -- anything -- that will restore the social order, bring things back into accord with the Laws Of Nature, reveal this evildoer (who *must* be one because he believes something different than the TM TBs believe) to justice. He or she *must* be discredited, or if the TM Defenders cannot do that, they must *claim* that the critic has been discredited. And who are these claims *made* to? Not the objective and fairly dispassionate lurkers. They are capable of -- and have always been capable of -- coming to their own conclusions about posters on this forum, be they TM supporters or TM critics. What the compulsive TM Defenders have to say in their attempts to demonize the critics probably isn't going to affect them much one way or another. No, the appeal of the TM Defender is to *Other TM Defenders*, or to those they want to recruit to that cause. And if you watch the traffic here on FFL, those are the *only* people who play pile on and reward the demonizers for their efforts. I've always got a chuckle at this pile-on phenom here. I guess they just can't, for some reason, see how childish they appear doing that. No mindfulness. :-) It's not, in the end, surprising at all to me that a sentimental puritan Vaishnavite group like the Shankaracharya line, would produce a sentimental, puritan Vaishnavite TM movement. That actually makes sense. Really, particularly since the British Raj we see an even more Puritanical trend inspired largely by British Protestantism in most of the major McMeditation groups since that time. Gone is the erotic, orgiastic ecological Dionysianism, caring for animals and love of nature but instead exploitative puritanical moralisms. Tear down cities to enslave people into a caste system that makes the American slave trade look like a blip in time. Ambedkar was right The Hindu Civilisation is a diabolical contrivance to suppress and enslave humanity. Its proper name would be infamy. What else can be said of a civilisation which has produced a mass of people... who are treated as an entity beyond human intercourse and whose mere touch is enough to cause pollution?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ayurvedic recipes
On May 29, 2009, at 5:47 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: Thanks for this post. I was the one a week or so ago who was complaining about the $8.00 minimum FedEx shipping fee it now costs for MAPI to ship you anything. And that's on top of the $16.00 cost for Vata Churna, which is the only thing I buy from them. And that's $16.00 for is, obviously, less than $2.00 RETAIL of spices. The shipping charge was the final straw. I'd be more than happy to pay the $16.00 overinflated price if that's all it was. But no way with the shipping charge. I tried to put together my own concoction working from the ingredients listed but it wasn't quite right...so I am really looking forward to trying what's listed here for the Vata Churna! All thanks go to Seeker over at TMFree, as he was kind enough to share them. I'd be interested to hear how it turns out.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Question For Raunchydog
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, satvadude108 no_reply@ wrote: snip [quoting me:] Nothing would have thrilled me more than to have been able to support a black man (or even better, a black woman) for president. snip When Judy was asked about this she changed the subject, attacked, then ran. What post are you referring to when she changed the subject, attacked, then ran? I'd like to read it to see if I can figure out what makes you think this of Judy. I didn't ask about Judy. Really? I thought you were quoting Judy and were wondering why she changed the subject, attacked, then ran so I attempted to explain her statement from my POV. Actually, he was poisoning the well, trying to prejudice readers in advance about my purported guilt. If I had been asked about it, then had changed the subject, attacked, and run, it would appear that I knew the statement was sexist and was attempting to avoid the issue. Trouble is, I was never asked about it, by satvadude or anybody else. He made that whole sequence up out of whole cloth. Which is why he's trying to evade Raunchy's question as to which post he's referring to. There is no such post because there was no such question. She can't read it because it doesn't exist. As to the question he's asking, only a really stupid person would ask it seriously, and satvadude isn't stupid. Yes, my statement was sexist, just as much as it was racist. But he didn't ask about racism, did he? Somebody should ask him whether he thinks Sotomayor's nomination to the Supreme Court is sexist (or racist). But satvadude is obviously not interested in any legitimate discussion of any of the issues involved; his only motivation is to do whatever he can to make me look bad, even if he has to lie to accomplish it. (He's also trying to create a rift between me and Raunchy. Good luck with that.) It doesn't occur to him that this approach makes *him* look far worse, but there you are. As I've been saying, some men have tremendous difficulty thinking rationally when they're experiencing strong emotions, because to experience emotions is in and of itself inherently terrifying to them; it's a threat to their very manhood.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Barry Revelations (A metaphysical analysis of B.D.S.)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: snip What if Barry is really SATAN? Why does this make me think of Hannah Arendt's famous phrase, the banality of evil?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sometimes I think that the Merv wave is to blame for TM prudishness
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Barry vigorously defends himself from Edg's spot-on charge that he's been vigorously defending himself (which charge, and the basis for it, Barry carefully snipped, of course). Welcome back, Judy. It's good to see that your vacation enabled you to relax and chill out and drop old obsessions. :-) Don't forget to read and reply...uh...non- defensively to all the posts that mentioned you while you were away. Why does my going away for a few days frighten you so badly that you have to pretend I didn't? That's just really weird. In particular, you might want to savage these two: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/219890 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/220159 Their purpose -- their *intent*, if you will -- was to encourage people to laugh at those on this forum who are the most laughable. And there is certainly no one more laughable than yourself. Uh-huh. Trouble is, you got the second URL wrong. You should try taking a vacation yourself, see if it clears your mind a bit. Your mistakes quotient has been alarmingly high over the past few weeks; it seems you've been feeling under a great deal of pressure lately. It's even invaded your *dreams*. Either laugh at yourself with us or defend yourself. Your call. I think what I'll probably do is, as usual, document your lies, ignorance, illogic, and shallow thinking. And then I'll laugh at you.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Priest Becomes Episcopalian to Marry
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: To All: Does he really think marriage will solve his problems? His problem is the Catholic Church. Ditching the Catholic Church solves his problem. Yeah, true, but since 'All Roads Lead to Rome'... Sometimes good to take a side pathin this case! R.G.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Would Raunchy still like Sotomayor if she was not Pro-Choice
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: snip Many progressive liberals voted for Obama believing he would promote a liberal agenda. What's particularly amusing about Barry's show of faux outrage is that the concept of doing the right thing rather than adhering to axioms *is one of the primary characteristics of progressive liberalism*. This part is truly hilarious in the present context: For example, as I mentioned before in a dis- cussion with Edg, and as he replied to by ignoring it completely :-), what if you believe in a general axiom of Thou shalt not kill? Now imagine that you -- believing that -- find yourself in a position where you have the oppor- tunity to kill a terrorist just before he sets off a bomb that could kill hundreds or thousands of people. What's a believer in axioms to do? Aside from the fact that very few people understand the biblical prohibition to rule out self-defense, the Roman Catholic doctrine on abortion is that it violates that prohibition. If Sotomayor ruled against Roe v. Wade on those grounds, she'd be the spit fundamentalist; according to Barry, she wouldn't be doing the right thing at all. So Barry has inadvertently talked himself into the position that Obama did the right thing by nominating someone he had no basis to believe would do the right thing herself rather than hold to an axiom.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What were the lawsuits against MMY?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: When MMY visited MIU during the Taste of Utopia course, the sheriff was at the frat he was staying in, trying to subpoena him. Lenny Goldman successfully fended him off. If the americans had gotten hold of Maharishi the same would have happened to Him as to Rajneesh; a vaccine in the arm and 5 years later; dead. How they tried and never even was able to get into His room, not the CIA in Europe, not the sheriff in the USA. The americans sure did try to crucify Him but had to give in to Invincibility. Now slowly they will have to pay their dues. Their beloved capitalism is dying, the dollar is slowly but steadily becoming a pariah currency; soon even oil will not be traded in $. And the Pundits who have kept that nation afloat so far ? Personally I do not think they will stay in Iowa very long. Who can save the americans from their collective carma of raping nations and their resources for centuries, creating countless of wars and fascist regimes all over the world except in Europe, Russia and China ? Obama ? Though I'm in favor of the fellow, this carma is to enormous for even him to handle. This is a flood, not even Obama will be able to borrow enough money overseas to be able to stop the already begun collapse. The world is fed up with greed and they will not be able to borrow more money to finance their system. Quite the contrary; many heavy lenders to the americans since the last 50 years are contemplating cashing in their american state-bonds in dollars (the japanese comes to mind). Then who will pay ? The american state ? Dream on, they are already techically bankcrupt. Will the American people themselves, with the inspiration from Maitreya, clean out the mess and seek a new beginning? Perhaps. But not before they realize that their hollow empire built on violence, greed and entertainment is finished. Gone. Reading FFL it seems this point of no return amongst americans is still somewhat wanting. Young, newly incarnated cowboy-souls think they are toppers. Forgetting that they are balancing at the top of the abyss. Let me send a 'Shout out to Lenny Goldman!' He is one of the nicest fellows, you will ever meet... Thank God, Lenny was there to fend off the Barabarians... I gotta admit, this country is pretty retarded in many ways, but we are evolving quickly... You forgot to mention, that without the USA, we would all be answering to Bevan now... Or I forgot... R.G.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Would Raunchy still like Sotomayor if she was not Pro-Choice
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On May 28, 2009, at 3:51 AM, raunchydog wrote: snip I'm sure there will be many questions Sotomayor will answer. We still don't know much about her. I'm crossing my fingers that she at least supports Roe v. Wade. I can't imagine she would not. Uh, two words: Roman Catholic. Another for ya: excommunication. Yeah Raunch, she'll probably convert to Universalist Unitarian any day now... Love it. What fun! Inna first place, if you're going to excommunicate Catholics who don't categorically denounce abortion, you'll have to excommunicate a majority of U.S. Catholics because they're pro-choice. Only 23 percent of U.S. Catholics believe abortion should be illegal. (Plus which, excommunication for being pro-choice is not automatic in practice, as some would have you believe.) Inna second place, we don't yet know whether Sotomayor is a practicing Catholic and would therefore be concerned about the church's view of abortion. We do have two good hints that she is not: (1) she's divorced; and (2) the White House has said of her, Judge Sotomayor was raised as a Catholic and attends church for family celebrations and other important events. That's practically an admission that she no longer takes her Catholicism very seriously. Inna third place, judges are required to rule on the basis of established law and the Constitution, regardless of their personal beliefs. Justice Antonin Scalia, a conservative Catholic, put it this way in 2007: There is no such thing as a 'Catholic judge.' The bottom line is that the Catholic faith seems to me to have little effect on my work as a judge...Just as there is no 'Catholic' way to cook a hamburger, I am hard pressed to tell you of a single opinion of mine that would have come out differently if I were not Catholic. Bottom line, that Sotomayor was raised as a Catholic tells us precisely nothing about how she'd rule on Roe v. Wade (if it ever came to that, which is *extremely* unlikely). Sorry, Vaj!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy: All Hat, No Cattle; was What is Enlightenment? - MMY
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On May 29, 2009, at 12:46 PM, Jason wrote: I want to know who gave him the title *Maharishi* .?? Why does he put his bald head in all the org's emblems.?? I think he was a good meditation teacher, but a very poor Philosophy teacher.!! Paradoxicaly, I know many good philosophy teachers who are poor meditation teachers.!! All his titles are self-proclaimed. The movement spiel is that people heard a rumor at one of his early lectures in Southern India that a maharishi was coming from the Himalayas, i.e. probably suggested by some forward materials for the lecture. After that, he just assumed the name himself. According to one of the Shanks. he also added the yogi and was never actually trained as a yogi (thus the asana course made my a gym teacher). Joyce Collin-Smith, an early secretary, actually caught him adding His Holiness to his other aliases. Nothing wrong with realizing you are on your Soul's Mission... And you choose a name for yourself... Many actors in Hollywood...do that! Many people who take the stage, do that! Perhaps Maharishi knew that he was Socrates, in a past life... And he knew, that he had to go out, and reach as many people as possible... Because he had been waiting many centuries to return to the earth sphere, and resume teaching, where he left off, last time around... The CIA, didn't get him this time around... But those same people gave death to Socrates, in his day... Same story, isn't it? R.G.
