[FairfieldLife] Re: A question for Nelson Riddle (and others, if they want)

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "nelsonriddle2001"  
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex  wrote:
> >
> > TurquoiseB wrote:
> > > Take the case of our recent spammer, "Miryam 
> > > Shoshan Yosef"...
> > >
> > If she is a U.S. citizen, her 'gun rights' are 
> > specified in the U.S. Constitution, Second 
> > Amendment, which has been consistently upheld 
> > by the U.S. Supreme Court. 
> > 
> > You and Judy can call citizens who exercise 
> > their civil rights 'gun nuts' if you want to, 
> > but it doesn't do your argument for disarming 
> > the people any good. In fact it makes you two 
> > look like extremists, not the othe way around. 
> > 
> > But what is really troubling is not that she 
> > might have a gun in her possesion, but that 
> > you, living in Spain, would even care if she 
> > did. You sound really scared, Barry. 
> > 
> > Firearms laws in Spain are very restrictive, 
> > you probabkly already knew that. What I'd be 
> > worried about, if I lived over there, is the 
> > local terrorists. From what I've read, they're 
> > not very fond of people coming over there and 
> > sponging off the government.
> 
>  I would think that a background check on her should disqualify her.
>   Here, everyone is checked before getting a permit to purchase 
> which doesn't take long.

I know that in California over 50% of the 15-day
"background checks" to purchase a handgun are 
never done, because the infrastructure does not
support it. For anyone who submits out of state 
addresses, they cannot possibly get information
from the out-of-state police departments within
15 days, so they just don't bother.

And *none* of the background checks would discover
that this person was writing prolifically to the
Internet urging people to kill the Clintons and
Obama. That is not part of the *scope* of the
background check, which looks only for previous
felonies and misdemeanors.

So, if this person were real and living in the
US (neither of which is true, as far as I can 
tell), your current "background checks" have just
put a gun into the hands of a person who writes
over and over and over and over to the Internet
*how* she plans to use it.

I have not stated any position on this, BTW. I'm 
just pointing out the problems with your position.

>   On another point, if you need something to contemplate, 
> maybe the new vaccine in question will be what causes the 
> flu.

I *have* stated a position on this. :-)

I think rushing a vaccine to market just to pacify
a panicky public is a classically Bad Idea.

IMO the "gun problem" in the US is unsolveable.
Nothing can be done about the extraordinary number
of guns already out there, and so any "patchwork
quilt" attempt to limit the number of new guns
will be ineffective at reducing the number of 
them. The larger problem is that Americans believe
they NEED guns to feel safe. People in other 
countries don't. What's wrong with America that
its people do?

[FairfieldLife] Re: One for our resident eye-patch wearers

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> "Anti-fraud detectives have turned their international fight against 
> illegal downloads to a small French town, where a mystery pirate has 
> been filming Hollwyood blockbusters at the local cinema and posting 
> them on the internet."
> 
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film/film-news/6119408/Hollywood-piracy-detectives-close-in-on-French-town.html

This surprises me, and makes me think that the 
French -- as they tend to do -- are posturing
for the MPAA. There are very FEW movies from
France posted as "CAM jobs" on the torrent 
trackers. I should know...I would be down-
loading them if there were. Most of the CAM
jobs come from Russia, and appear first with
a dubbed Russian soundtrack until someone re-
synchs an English soundtrack to their footage.

What I suspect is going on here is that the
French are doing the same thing they did with
the "drug problem." They cracked down hard on
marijuana, trying to imply that the Netherlands
was the source of the problem, *as a distraction*
to take focus away from the fact that Marseilles
is still one of the capitals of the world drug
trade. How very French of them.  :-)

It's also "very French" that they haven't caught 
the "shooter."  :-)

I can recommend the two-part "Mesrine" (L'instinct 
de mort and L'ennemi public n°1), by the way. The
performance by Vincent Cassel (Mr. Monica Belluci)
is chilling and Oscar-worthy, but it tends to run
a little slow for Americans who would not know the
"back story" on France's Public Enemy Number One,
who ran rings around French law enforcement for
many years. He was one Bad Dude, but eluded the
police for so long that he became almost a Jesse
James-like outlaw figure, with large parts of the
population rooting for him. Strange true story.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Directory of Active FF Spiritual Practice Groups

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jpgillam"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
> >
> > On Sep 2, 2009, at 9:45 AM, jpgillam wrote:
> > 
> > > What does it say that there are no
> > > Buddhist or zen groups on the list below?
> > 
> > [snip]
> > 
> > Hordes of TMers have taken up Buddhist or other kinds of Hindu  
> > meditation. 
> 
> So why are there not scads of Buddhist groups 
> on Doug's list? I don't expect zen zealots to 
> relocate to Fairfield, Iowa, but I would expect 
> a few former TMers who live there to form zen groups.

All snark aside, Patrick, two of the reasons
you might not see Buddhist "groups" in an 
(let's face it) out-of-the-way, largely 
uninteresting tiny town in Iowa are: 

1) On the whole, Buddhists don't proselytize.
The overall feeling is that people find their
Way to Buddhism; it doesn't actively go out and
try to recruit them.

2) Again on the whole, there is no mythology
about the benefits of "group practice." Buddha's
real contribution to the lore of self discovery
was "DIY" -- Do It Yourself. You don't *need* a
group around you to feel good about your spirit-
ual practice or form of meditation. There is no
perceived benefit -- to the practitioner or to
the world -- of doing one's Zazen practice in
a group as opposed to doing it oneself, alone,
wherever one happens to be.

I think that part of your question is based on
the *abnormal* importance that Fairfielders
place on themselves with respect to the cosmos.
We read on this forum almost every week people
talking about how important this less than 2000
(and shrinking every day) TM meditators are, how
they're "saving the world" via their butt bouncing.

Buddhists just don't think that way. If there were
a group of 2000 Buddhists living in the same area
in the Midwest, I doubt that the myth that they
were somehow "saving the world" via their practice
would ever come up. Buddhists would think of the
very *idea* of that as self importance and ego,
and thus as something to be worked on and removed
from their consciousness, not strengthened and
developed further.

Besides, on the whole Buddhist groups *don't make
any money* from their followers. Why would they
want to move to a place where there are a lot of
New Agey suckers waiting to have their pockets
picked? That is something that the spiritual groups
who *do* make a lot of money from their followers
would do. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'From: Our Holy Light and Savior, President Obama'

[cardemaister]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:

> >  ~President Obama
> 
> He's referring to himself in the third person now?
>

FWIW, in Sanskrit 'he/she' is the first person (prathamaH
puruSaH, or somesuch) and 'I' is the third person (tRtiiyaH
puruSaH?). Ditto in dual and plural.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Robberies force halt of pizza deliveries in Iowa City

[meowthirteen]

---O
what yummy words are these
sweet and warm like a well appointed chai tea

thank you
enjoy the sunshine today

It is beautiful
sparkling in it's giving of light and colors

Receive 
Luxuriate in it's precious exilerating beams
















 In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "meowthirteen"  wrote:
> >
> > --
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Nice response Bob
> > Live bliss !
> > See bliss!
> > Give bliss!
> > 
> > Have a beautiful world!
> > 
> > Enjoy your days!
> > There is so much beauty in the world!
> > 
> 
> **
> 
> "The wise man enjoys what is pure if it comes to him unsought, borne down by 
> the river of life. 
> If there are impurities borne down by the river of life or by circumstances, 
> the wise man is unconcerned about them, as in deep sleep.
> 
> http://snipurl.com/rk54s  [www_venkatesaya_com]
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: A question for Nelson Riddle (and others, if they want)

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "nelsonriddle2001"  
> wrote:

> >   On another point, if you need something to contemplate, 
> > maybe the new vaccine in question will be what causes the 
> > flu.
> 
> I *have* stated a position on this. :-)
> 
> I think rushing a vaccine to market just to pacify
> a panicky public is a classically Bad Idea.

Barry's going to stick with his "panicky public"
fantasy no matter what, regardless of the evidence
against it. He and Nelson, with his own fantasy
about the flu vaccine *causing* the flu, are quite
a pair.

At least Nelson's fantasy, insanely paranoid as
it is, hasn't yet been shown to be WRONG. I mean,
other than the fact that there have been millions
of documented swine flu cases long before the
vaccine was even *created*.

It's quite amusing to read such fantasies on a
forum that repeatedly mocks the similarly
nutty fantasies, such as "pulling the plug on
Grandma," of the right-wing town hall shouters.

[FairfieldLife] Re: A question for Nelson Riddle (and others, if they want)

[nelsonriddle2001]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "nelsonriddle2001"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex  wrote:
> > >
> > > TurquoiseB wrote:
> > > > Take the case of our recent spammer, "Miryam 
> > > > Shoshan Yosef"...
> > > >
> > > If she is a U.S. citizen, her 'gun rights' are 
> > > specified in the U.S. Constitution, Second 
> > > Amendment, which has been consistently upheld 
> > > by the U.S. Supreme Court. 
> > > 
> > > You and Judy can call citizens who exercise 
> > > their civil rights 'gun nuts' if you want to, 
> > > but it doesn't do your argument for disarming 
> > > the people any good. In fact it makes you two 
> > > look like extremists, not the othe way around. 
> snip,,
> 
> IMO the "gun problem" in the US is unsolveable.
> Nothing can be done about the extraordinary number
> of guns already out there, and so any "patchwork
> quilt" attempt to limit the number of new guns
> will be ineffective at reducing the number of 
> them. The larger problem is that Americans believe
> they NEED guns to feel safe. People in other 
> countries don't. What's wrong with America that
> its people do?
>
   Had you noticed the peoples reaction to having their guns confiscated in 
England for example?
   It looked to me like a lot of them were happier with than without.
And, I hope you are right about the issue being an unsolvable problem here 
as there are some considerable forces trying to solve the problem.
Their major problem is setting up a dictatorship with an armed citizenry.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Directory of Active FF Spiritual Practice Groups

[dhamiltony2k5]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>
> 
> On Sep 2, 2009, at 8:46 PM, jpgillam wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sep 2, 2009, at 9:45 AM, jpgillam wrote:
> > >
> > > > What does it say that there are no
> > > > Buddhist or zen groups on the list below?
> > >
> > > [snip]
> > >
> > > Hordes of TMers have taken up Buddhist or other kinds of Hindu
> > > meditation.
> >
> > So why are there not scads of Buddhist groups
> > on Doug's list? I don't expect zen zealots to
> > relocate to Fairfield, Iowa, but I would expect
> > a few former TMers who live there to form zen groups.
> 
> 
> I can't say such groups do not exist. They might. But I suspect FF is  
> seen as a Hindu style New Age town, based on the what I get from posts  
> on FF spiritual teachers. If they are there, I'd expect them to keep a  
> low profile or be occasional visitors.
> 


Yes, that is fairly true.  When i've seen it in FF it is fairly clandestine.  
For instance, the Weds group meditation i go to that is effectively 
transcendental vipasannaic has a lot of people who also go to the dome, so it 
is kept under wraps mostly to protect those folks.

Figure also that the TM movement is culturally so pre-disposed against what 
they see as buddhist meditations.  A profound pre-disposition that is defined 
from the Transcendental Meditation second lecture that is always given to 
people as they would start TM.  

That preparatory lecture is a complete argument against buddistic type 
meditations both in theory and with scientific charts from the  old days of TM. 
 That argument was an integral part of presenting TM.  It was always 
hard-hitting.  

So figure the TM culture is not very flexible on this point.  To the TM 
culture, buddhism would equal the wrong way.  That is from way back in TM 
culture.  There just is not a lot of reception or even respect towards Buddhism 
within Transcendental Meditation.  Hence buddhism has never really taken hold 
in FF.  The bookstores do have books on it.

-D in FF 

  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Directory of Active FF Spiritual Practice Groups

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> >
> > I can't say such groups do not exist. They might. But I 
> > suspect FF is seen as a Hindu style New Age town, based 
> > on the what I get from posts on FF spiritual teachers. 
> > If they are there, I'd expect them to keep a  
> > low profile or be occasional visitors.
> 
> Yes, that is fairly true.  When i've seen it in FF it is 
> fairly clandestine. For instance, the Weds group meditation 
> i go to that is effectively transcendental vipasannaic has 
> a lot of people who also go to the dome, so it is kept under 
> wraps mostly to protect those folks.

To protect them FROM WHAT, Doug?

Do you realize what you are saying?

You are suggesting that these people need to be
"clandestine" to protect them from the TM organ-
ization, which would excommunicate them if they
found out they were attending a "Buddhist" teach-
ing, or one by a non-TM teacher.

The fact that what you're suggesting is TRUE makes 
it all the sadder.

We're back to my earlier advice -- GO PUBLIC. Take
it to the newspapers. Take it to the TV stations.
Let the cat out of the bag. TELL the greater public
what the TMO does to its members on a regular basis.

If you DON'T do this, you are helping to perpetuate
the problem. Simple as that.

> Figure also that the TM movement is culturally so 
> pre-disposed against what they see as buddhist 
> meditations.  A profound pre-disposition that is 
> defined from the Transcendental Meditation second 
> lecture that is always given to people as they would 
> start TM.  

Exactly. What was shocking about Alex's snark was
that he didn't know how bigoted it was. I'm *never*
surprised when Nabby spouts eltist nonsense he's
been taught it by the TMO, but *Alex*? 

The reason people don't realize how thoroughly they
have been indoctrinated against other techniques and
other spiritual traditions and teachers is precisely
that it was done so regularly, and from the Intro
lecture on. It was a core part of the TM teaching.
Since they don't question what Mahsrishi said about
that, they also don't question what he said about 
other techniques *that he had never practiced* and
knew nothing about. 

> That preparatory lecture is a complete argument against 
> buddistic type meditations both in theory and with 
> scientific charts from the old days of TM.  

Plus, it's imprecise and inaccurate. Not all of the
meditation techniques taught under the umbrella of
Buddhism involve concentration; many are as effort-
less as TM, or more so. (No mantra, no object of focus,
less effort.)

> That argument was an integral part of presenting TM.  
> It was always hard-hitting.  

And it was always untrue, and always spiritual bigotry.

> So figure the TM culture is not very flexible on this 
> point.  

Worse, that culture *does not even realize* that it is
inflexible on this point. They say things like, "If only
Buddhism (or Christianity, or whatever) understood that
at their basis they were "really" TM, and that TM is far
superior to what they misunderstand their tradition to
be, they'd get results the way we do," and *don't even
realize* that they are being insulting spiritual bigots.

It's the absolute unawareness of their bigotry that 
surprises me. Its source is clear. But how can people
*be* so incredibly elitist without realizing it?

> To the TM culture, buddhism would equal the wrong way.  

Which is fascinating, because Buddhism doesn't even
present itself as the "right" way. It presents itself
merely as "a way." 

> That is from way back in TM culture.  There just is not a 
> lot of reception or even respect towards Buddhism within 
> Transcendental Meditation. Hence buddhism has never really 
> taken hold i, in FF. The bookstores do have books on it.

That's white of them.

When I was growing up in the South one or two bookstores 
carried books by Martin Luther King and other civil rights
leaders, too. No one bought them, of course, and the white
customers wouldn't be caught dead reading them in public, 
but the bookstores offered the books, gathering dust on a 
back shelf. Those folks weren't bigoted, either.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Directory of Active FF Spiritual Practice Groups

[WillyTex]

TurquoiseB wrote:
> We're back to my earlier advice -- GO PUBLIC...
> 
The simple fact is, that TMers are secretive, just
like you are, Turq. 

Look at the majority of posters on this forum, 
using handles instead of names. I can't even get
the TMer teachers to tell me what happened to all 
the money. And one of the FFL moderators' brother 
is a TMO 'Raja' living in Vedic City!

There are lots of secrets around here. You can 
hardly get anyone to be truthful anymore. John 
posted countless diatribes against the members of 
a Mormon forum for years, without even telling 
them once that he was a member of a Hindu cult. 

The list goes on and on. We've got a 'tantric' 
here who won't even tell us what the secret word 
of power is! 

At least Rick uses his real name. I mean, what's 
with these people? They once made a pledge to 
Guru Dev to 'spiritually' regenerate the entire 
world! Now reduced to a 'chat' room talking about 
Sarah Palin's parenting skills.

And Barry wants them to go 'GO PUBLIC'?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re:IA Rep speaks on Health Care Reform&still no TORT refom

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Lets save real bucks & do Tort reform 1 st. the Chinese need not  finance 
that reform. then on to Social security & perhaps immigration bill  all 1 st.
 
 
In a message dated 9/2/2009 5:57:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
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John  wrote:
> Iowa Republican speaks out on Health Care  Reform
>
Don't you just hate that fuckin' Chuck  Grassley!





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[FairfieldLife] Did you know? - Pledge Of Allegiance was written by a Socialist -

[do.rflex]

Francis Julius Bellamy (May 18, 1855 – August 28, 1931) was an American Baptist 
minister and Christian *Socialist*[1] who wrote the original Pledge of 
Allegiance in 1892.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Bellamy


Christian socialism generally refers to those on the Christian left whose 
politics are both Christian and socialist and who see these two philosophies as 
being interrelated.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Socialism 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Directory of Active FF Spiritual Practice Groups

[j_alexander_stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5"  wrote:
> >
> > Figure also that the TM movement is culturally so 
> > pre-disposed against what they see as buddhist 
> > meditations.  A profound pre-disposition that is 
> > defined from the Transcendental Meditation second 
> > lecture that is always given to people as they would 
> > start TM.  
> 
> Exactly. What was shocking about Alex's snark was
> that he didn't know how bigoted it was. I'm *never*
> surprised when Nabby spouts eltist nonsense he's
> been taught it by the TMO, but *Alex*? 

As Rick pointed out, there are quite a number of people who have woken up in 
FF. What seems to often be the case is that after decades on the TM treadmill, 
people need an outside, non-TM nudge to knock them off the treadmill and into 
freedom. FF seems to attract the appropriate nudges, and Doug's list seemed to 
indicate that Buddhism wasn't one of them. Since one of the prevailing themes 
of FFL (thanks in no small part to you) is beating up on other spiritual 
traditions, I cracked a snarky little joke about it. 

I am surprised by your reaction, though. For someone who has spent well over a 
decade, constantly bashing other spiritual seekers and traditions, I would 
think that a comment like mine would have rolled off like water off a duck's 
back, not even worthy of a comment. 

I have no particular animosity towards Buddhism outside not being terribly 
impressed by FFL's Buddhist presence. Jed McKenna describes Buddhism as 
basically just another treadmill on which to do time, and I can see how that 
might be the case, Adyashanti being a notable exception.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Directory of Active FF Spiritual Practice Groups

[Vaj]

On Sep 3, 2009, at 9:08 AM, dhamiltony2k5 wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>
>
> On Sep 2, 2009, at 8:46 PM, jpgillam wrote:
>
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sep 2, 2009, at 9:45 AM, jpgillam wrote:
> > >
> > > > What does it say that there are no
> > > > Buddhist or zen groups on the list below?
> > >
> > > [snip]
> > >
> > > Hordes of TMers have taken up Buddhist or other kinds of Hindu
> > > meditation.
> >
> > So why are there not scads of Buddhist groups
> > on Doug's list? I don't expect zen zealots to
> > relocate to Fairfield, Iowa, but I would expect
> > a few former TMers who live there to form zen groups.
>
>
> I can't say such groups do not exist. They might. But I suspect  
FF is
> seen as a Hindu style New Age town, based on the what I get from  
posts
> on FF spiritual teachers. If they are there, I'd expect them to  
keep a

> low profile or be occasional visitors.
>

Yes, that is fairly true. When i've seen it in FF it is fairly  
clandestine. For instance, the Weds group meditation i go to that  
is effectively transcendental vipasannaic has a lot of people who  
also go to the dome, so it is kept under wraps mostly to protect  
those folks.


That's strange to me. I realize the need to conform by being a "dome  
goer" but at the same time, it's pretty dishonest to the goal of  
collective dome meditation to be using another technique or a  
variation on the technique you're supposed to be doing as 'the same  
thing, together'.





Figure also that the TM movement is culturally so pre-disposed  
against what they see as buddhist meditations. A profound pre- 
disposition that is defined from the Transcendental Meditation  
second lecture that is always given to people as they would start TM.


Yeah TM teachers are infamous for spreading disinformation when they  
aren't really even taught much about meditation in the first place. I  
think at one time they could get away with that, but now a more savvy  
public sees through the clearly clueless kind of statements they  
make. But there is also a sucker born every minute.


That preparatory lecture is a complete argument against buddistic  
type meditations both in theory and with scientific charts from the  
old days of TM. That argument was an integral part of presenting  
TM. It was always hard-hitting.


Less so today, as it's simply ignorance and dishonesty they're  
spreading. If you want to teach people meditation, starting out by  
lying to them and just not really knowing much about different styles  
of meditation isn't going to help your cause in the long run. This is  
esp. the case since research in Buddhist meditation has surpassed TM  
research in both number and quality.


When HH the Dalai Lama streamed a live video conference on the latest  
meditation research a couple of years ago, millions of people signed  
in to watch across the planet.


So figure the TM culture is not very flexible on this point. To the  
TM culture, buddhism would equal the wrong way. That is from way  
back in TM culture. There just is not a lot of reception or even  
respect towards Buddhism within Transcendental Meditation. Hence  
buddhism has never really taken hold in FF. The bookstores do have  
books on it.


Well unfortunately, I'm sure the TM org still tries to tell people  
that the Surangama sutra, a Buddhist sutra, is one of the best  
descriptions of TM!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Robberies force halt of pizza deliveries in Iowa City

[j_alexander_stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "meowthirteen"  wrote:

> Nice response Bob
> Live bliss !
> See bliss!
> Give bliss!
> 
> Have a beautiful world!
> 
> Enjoy your days!
> There is so much beauty in the world!

And, M-13 is back! Can Edg be far behind?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Directory of Active FF Spiritual Practice Groups

[WillyTex]

> > Coincidentally, there was a guy at our 
> > Wednesday Night Satsang tonight who 
> > identified himself as a Buddhist, and 
> > seemed to be really into it.
> >
Bill wrote:
> How did the Buddhist react...?
>
Probably not much - that's because there's
not really much difference between Hindus
and Buddhists. The historical Buddha was a
Hindu. He didn't use the term 'Buddhism' -
that's a term that was made up much later.

Shakya the Muni, the first historical yogin 
in India, practiced a meditation that is 
transcendental. The yoga methods he used 
are all of Vedic origin according to David 
Frawley. Buddha himself was born and died 
a 'Hindu'.

'Buddhism' and 'Zen' are both based on Yogic 
Dhyana, or deep meditation which according
to Eliade is native to South Asia. 'TM' is
almost pure zazen practice.

'Buddhism' simply means a belief in the 
perfectibility of man, i.e., a belief in the 
enlightenment tradition. 

In a sense, everyone is a 'Buddhist', when 
you think about it. It's only the narrow
sectarians who say that there is a difference,
when in reality, there's only One ultimate
reality.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Directory of Active FF Spiritual Practice Groups

[TurquoiseB]

Fair enough. I accept that your snark was intended
as a snarky joke; I probably reacted to it because we
hold different assumptions about a couple of concepts.

The first is that I don't accept what you and others
have referred to as "waking up" on this forum as
synonymous with enlightenment. Literally *all* of
the experiences presented and discussed here over
the years I would class as minor awakenings, not
enlightenment.

This includes any of my own that I have ever discussed,
and any discussed by, say, Tom Traynor. It *certainly*
includes any discussed by, say, Rory or Jimbo or lesser
illuminaries. This is not to dump on the experiences
per se, just to say that I (and, seemingly, Vaj) have very
different standards for what constitutes enlightenment
than Fairfielders seem to.

The second concept on which we might differ is about
"nudges," as you describe them. While I certainly admit
that they exist, and have experienced such "nudges"
myself, I tend to think of them as "Dumbo's feather."
That is, placebos. I see such "nudges" as ways to trick
the person into realizing what is already present, and
has always already been present.

I'm not a big one for "shakti" in particular, because I
have experienced what most call shakti and know it for
what it really is, the "pushing out" of occult energies.
Yeah, you get a rush from that, and the rush can push
someone "over the edge" into the realization of what
has always already been present, but my experience is
that such realizations tend to be fleeting, and don't
last. The seeker who "wakes up" as a result of a good
toke on someone's shakti is more often than not the
first in line the next time the "shakti-giver" comes to
town, hoping for another toke.

I also have a little less respect for the NeoAdvaita
approach than many, for similar reasons. I have seen
very, very few examples of such "awakenings" lasting
any longer than a few days.

YMMV. I *understand* that your experience may
suggest to you that some traditional approaches to
self discovery are "treadmills," and they might well
be. But your snark was -- to me -- in the same ball-
park as someone suggesting that no gays want to
go to heaven, otherwise they wouldn't be stuck on
a treadmill that leads straight to Hell.

That's pretty absolutist. If anyone were stupid enough
to suggest that to your face, you might have words
with them. :-) But you essentially suggested the same
sort of thing about Buddhism -- that it led nowhere,
and that anyone who pursues it will get nowhere.

That may well be. Unlike Jed McKenna, I don't claim
to know. All that I know is that I have been under-
whelmed for some time by the places that the FF "wake
up" groups have led them. They *do not map* to the
descriptions of enlightenment I hold to be somewhat
accurate (as accurate as descriptions in words can ever
be, that is).

Again, YMMV.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "j_alexander_stanley"
 wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5"
 wrote:
> > >
> > > Figure also that the TM movement is culturally so
> > > pre-disposed against what they see as buddhist
> > > meditations.  A profound pre-disposition that is
> > > defined from the Transcendental Meditation second
> > > lecture that is always given to people as they would
> > > start TM.
> >
> > Exactly. What was shocking about Alex's snark was
> > that he didn't know how bigoted it was. I'm *never*
> > surprised when Nabby spouts eltist nonsense he's
> > been taught it by the TMO, but *Alex*?
>
> As Rick pointed out, there are quite a number of people who have woken
up in FF. What seems to often be the case is that after decades on the
TM treadmill, people need an outside, non-TM nudge to knock them off the
treadmill and into freedom. FF seems to attract the appropriate nudges,
and Doug's list seemed to indicate that Buddhism wasn't one of them.
Since one of the prevailing themes of FFL (thanks in no small part to
you) is beating up on other spiritual traditions, I cracked a snarky
little joke about it.
>
> I am surprised by your reaction, though. For someone who has spent
well over a decade, constantly bashing other spiritual seekers and
traditions, I would think that a comment like mine would have rolled off
like water off a duck's back, not even worthy of a comment.
>
> I have no particular animosity towards Buddhism outside not being
terribly impressed by FFL's Buddhist presence. Jed McKenna describes
Buddhism as basically just another treadmill on which to do time, and I
can see how that might be the case, Adyashanti being a notable
exception.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Directory of Active FF Spiritual Practice Groups

[WillyTex]

Vaj wrote:
> Well unfortunately, I'm sure the TM org still 
> tries to tell people that the Surangama sutra, 
> a Buddhist sutra, is one of the best descriptions 
> of TM!
>
Well, unfortunatly, while this may be true, it is 
a fact that the historical Buddha did not compose 
the 'Shurangama Sutra', it was made up much later, 
in Central India, around 700 A.D. The historical 
Buddha lived in the fifth century B.C. 

I suspect that the Shurangama Sutra is really 
a Sanskrit Hindu work on Yoga that was imported 
into China sometime after Bodhi Dharma took the 
practice of 'chan' to China. Chan is of course, 
dhyana, or a meditation that is transcendental.

According to David Frawley, all so-called 
'Buddhistic' types of meditation are based on the 
Vedas and the Yoga Upanishads or on the Tantras. 
This makes sense, since the Buddha was a Hindu 
and practiced Yoga. And the Mahayana is almost 
entirely a copy of exported Tantric Hinduism and
Vedanta.

Read more:

'Yoga: The Greater Tradition'
By david Frawley
Mandala, 2008

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Directory of Active FF Spiritual Practice Groups

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of It's just a ride
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 11:56 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Directory of Active FF Spiritual Practice
Groups
 
  
On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 11:46 PM, Rick Archer mailto:rick%40searchsummit.com> > wrote:
>

>
> Coincidentally, there was a guy at our Wednesday Night Satsang tonight who
identified himself as a Buddhist, and seemed to be really into it.
>

How did the Buddhist react to the pontifications of HH TT?
No one was pontificating. It was a packed room and everyone took turns in a
very lively discussion that went on 'till 11pm.
 

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Directory of Active FF Spiritual Practice Groups

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of TurquoiseB
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 8:31 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Directory of Active FF Spiritual Practice
Groups
 
  
We're back to my earlier advice -- GO PUBLIC. Take
it to the newspapers. Take it to the TV stations.
Let the cat out of the bag. TELL the greater public
what the TMO does to its members on a regular basis.
That's what I did when I was booted out. I started FFL using my real name.
In fact, I was booted out for sending out organizational emails for the
local Amma group using my real name. I should have known that would catch up
with me, but I would have done it anyway, because I don't like sneaking
around. Not that I haven't done it, but I don't like it. 
 

[FairfieldLife] FW: My Book is now available for purchase/Special Message for Fairfield, Iowa

[Rick Archer]

Note from Rick: I'm not a Lou-promoter. It's just that he used to be on FFL and 
many here have found his predictions "amusing."
 
From: ls...@aol.com [mailto:ls...@aol.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 10:12 AM
To: ls...@aol.com
Subject: My Book is now available for purchase/Special Message for Fairfield, 
Iowa 
 

Dear astrology clients, yoga practitioners and spiritual friends,
 
Happy full Moon in Pisces on Friday September 4th at 12:02PM. At 12 degrees it 
is right on top of my natal Sun and Mercury at 12 degrees of Pisces. A perfect 
time to let you all know my new e-book is available to purchase. 
 
My new e-book “Full Moon Messages from the Pleiadians” 2012 to 2026 is now 
available to order on my online store. Just go to Astrological Varieties 
  and click our store icon. Read about the new 
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“Lou Valentino’s insights could help us look through the window of great 
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DEEPAK CHOPRA
 
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What will you discover by reading this channeled information?
 
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Ø  The new Education of the “Preparation Phase” 2012 to 2026
Ø  A new model of Economics based on small family groupings
Ø  A new model of Real Estate with get away vacations for everyone
Ø  A new approach to Romance and the definition of Soul Mates/Soul Twins
Ø  Answers on how to prevent Cancer cells from staying alive
Ø  Information on the Pleiadians and how this culture lives
Ø  UFO appearance dates and its connection to the Mayan prophesies year 2012
Ø  Meditations and Affirmations for better health, romance and abundance
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Stimulus

[WillyTex]

> The wheel is moving but the hamster is dead.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Did you know? - Pledge Of Allegiance was written by a Socialist -

[WillyTex]

Don't you just hate those fuckin' Capitalists!

John wrote:
> Francis Julius Bellamy (May 18, 1855 – August 28, 
> 1931) was an American Baptist minister and Christian 
> *Socialist*[1] who wrote the original Pledge of 
> Allegiance in 1892.
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Bellamy
> 
> 
> Christian socialism generally refers to those on 
> the Christian left whose politics are both Christian 
> and socialist and who see these two philosophies as 
> being interrelated.
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Socialism
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Directory of Active FF Spiritual Practice Groups

[Sal Sunshine]

On Sep 3, 2009, at 9:58 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:

> Fair enough. I accept that your snark was intended
> as a snarky joke; I probably reacted to it because we
> hold different assumptions about a couple of concepts.

No, Barry,  You reacted that way because you're an
unenlightened boor who wouldn't know "awakening"
if it introduced itself.  :)  Didn't you hear Alex?  There
are people here in FF who have actually "woken up"!
Imagine that.  Not to mention all the thousands who
presumably wake  up every day...that is, unless they
don't go to sleep.

This whole conversation reeks of more elitism than
any proposed CAFO ever could.

Sal

Re: [FairfieldLife] FW: My Book is now available for purchase/Special Message for Fairfield, Iowa

[Sal Sunshine]

On Sep 3, 2009, at 10:16 AM, Rick Archer wrote:


HERE ARE A FEW ENDORCEMENTS


Don't the Pleiadians believe in correct spelling?

Sal

[FairfieldLife] Re: Robberies force halt of pizza deliveries in Iowa City

[meowthirteen]

-

I kept my vow 
the agreement was until Sept.

I wuvs you too much to leeave















-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "j_alexander_stanley" 
 wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "meowthirteen"  wrote:
> 
> > Nice response Bob
> > Live bliss !
> > See bliss!
> > Give bliss!
> > 
> > Have a beautiful world!
> > 
> > Enjoy your days!
> > There is so much beauty in the world!
> 
> And, M-13 is back! Can Edg be far behind?
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: My Book is now available for purchase/Special Message for Fairfield, Iowa

[meowthirteen]

--Flow along the river of spirit
of the message
and be not stuck on the occasional twig /branch of misspelling
that may be floating along in the water beside you
as you relax 
going along admiring the sparkles upon the water
See the little diamonds on the water?

Gems

of wisdom














- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine  wrote:
>
> On Sep 3, 2009, at 10:16 AM, Rick Archer wrote:
> 
> > HERE ARE A FEW ENDORCEMENTS
> 
> Don't the Pleiadians believe in correct spelling?
> 
> Sal
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Directory of Active FF Spiritual Practice Groups

[j_alexander_stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine  wrote:
>
> On Sep 3, 2009, at 9:58 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
> 
> > Fair enough. I accept that your snark was intended
> > as a snarky joke; I probably reacted to it because we
> > hold different assumptions about a couple of concepts.
> 
> No, Barry,  You reacted that way because you're an
> unenlightened boor who wouldn't know "awakening"
> if it introduced itself.  :)  Didn't you hear Alex?  There
> are people here in FF who have actually "woken up"!
> Imagine that.  Not to mention all the thousands who
> presumably wake  up every day...that is, unless they
> don't go to sleep.
> 
> This whole conversation reeks of more elitism than
> any proposed CAFO ever could.

I don't think it's possible on FFL to mention the topic of seekers becoming 
finders without it pushing someone's buttons.

[FairfieldLife] FORA.tv Named To TIME's 50 Best Websites 2009

[Rick Archer]

FORA.TV NAMED TO TIME'S 50 BEST WEBSITES 2009
Monday, August 24, 2009

http://blog.fora.tv/2009/08/foratv-named-to-times-50-best-websites.html

FORA.tv , the leading destination and distributor of smart
video programs, has been selected by TIME.com editors as one of the 50 Best
Websites 2009 and featured in the 5 You May Not Know category.

³Whoever said television makes you stupid never saw FORA.tv,² writes
TIME.com¹s Adam Fisher. ³Fora TV is the place to turn to after you've seen
your nth viral video and realize your brain itself is in danger of becoming
infected.²

FORA.tv is ³one site that has really caught our eye this year,² says
TIME.com¹s Shea Hess in a short video program describing web sites that ³are
just waiting to blow-up.²

"It's an honor to be recognized for gathering the best video programming
from top universities and conferences," says Blaise Zerega, president and
CEO of FORA.tv. "We will continue our rapid innovation to serve an engaged,
intelligent audience."

TIME.com's 50 honored websites include YouTube, Facebook, Amazon, and
BoingBoing among others.

With strong content partners ranging from the Aspen Institute to Georgetown
University to EG to the Chautauqua Institution, FORA.tv has assembled the
Web¹s largest library of smart, issues-oriented video and is reshaping the
way audiences discover and engage with media. The company is helping drive
the transformation of online video as it evolves from the mass appeal of
user-generated clips to a broad range of highly-segmented offerings. In this
new world of vast content choices, 70 percent of online viewers are watching
video from the news and current events category.



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Re: [FairfieldLife] FW: My Book is now available for purchase/Special Message for Fairfield, Iowa

[Damjan Jovanovic]

How does a star system that's merely 115 million years old, not only evolve 
intelligent life, or even intelligent life more technologically advanced then 
us, but actually form planets in that short amount of time?


--- On Thu, 9/3/09, Rick Archer  wrote:

From: Rick Archer 
Subject: [FairfieldLife] FW: My Book is now available for purchase/Special 
Message for Fairfield, Iowa
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, September 3, 2009, 6:16 PM













 
 
 
 
 
 

AOL Email
















Note from Rick: I'm not a
Lou-promoter. It's just that he used to be on FFL and many here have found his
predictions "amusing." 

   





From: ls...@aol.com [mailto:ls...@aol.com] 

Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 10:12 AM

To: ls...@aol.com

Subject: My Book is now available for purchase/Special Message for
Fairfield, Iowa  





   






 
  
  
  
  Dear
  astrology clients, yoga practitioners and spiritual friends, 
     
  Happy full Moon in
  Pisces on Friday September 4th at 12:02PM. At 12 degrees it is
  right on top of my natal Sun and Mercury at 12 degrees of Pisces. A perfect
  time to let you all know my new e-book is available to purchase.  
     
  My
  new e-book “Full Moon Messages from the Pleiadians” 2012 to 2026 is now
  available to order on my online store. Just go to Astrological Varieties and 
click
  our store icon. Read about the new book and place an order with your Visa or
  MasterCard. E-Book only $10.00 
     
  HERE
  ARE A FEW ENDORCEMENTS:  
     
  “Humans
  have a love affair with the future, therefore this book is a must read for a
  detailed map not to just 2012, but beyond. It is an uplifting and informative
  account, covering the very exciting period that lays ahead taking us into an
  entirely New Age.” 
     
  MIKE QUINSEY OF BBS
  RADIO “CONNECTING THE LIGHT”.  
     
  “Lou
  Valentino’s insights could help us look through the window of great
  possibilities for the future. I encourage everyone to explore his work.” 
     
  DEEPAK CHOPRA 
     
  “Lou,
  if you thought this book was going to be a smash hit, you are right. We need
  a vision and we need to raise our vibrations. Your book does all of that. 
     
  SUSAN M. LAFLEUR 
     
  What will you discover by reading this channeled information? 
     
  Ø 
  You will
  discover the new model of Healthcare for
  humanity 
  Ø 
  The new Education of the “Preparation Phase”
  2012 to 2026 
  Ø 
  A new
  model of Economics based on small
  family groupings 
  Ø 
  A new
  model of Real Estate with get away
  vacations for everyone 
  Ø 
  A new
  approach to Romance and the definition
  of Soul Mates/Soul Twins 
  Ø 
  Answers on
  how to prevent Cancer cells from
  staying alive 
  Ø 
  Information
  on the Pleiadians and how this culture
  lives 
  Ø 
  UFO appearance dates and its
  connection to the Mayan prophesies year 2012 
  Ø 
  Meditations and Affirmations for better health, romance and abundance 
     
  70
  pages of channeled information as a question and answer format between Lou
  Valentino and the Pleiadians. You won’t be able to put it down once you start
  to read. 
     
  IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO BE TAKEN OFF FO THE MAILING LIST TYPE “TAKE
  OFF LIST” WHEN APPLYING IN THE SUBJECT FIELD. THANK YOU. 
      
  
  
  
 








   





























 




  

[FairfieldLife] UFO: Movie: 'The Fourth Kind'

[Rick Archer]

MOVIE: THE FOURTH KIND
In theaters: November 6, 2009

1n 1972, a scale of measurement was established for alien encounters. When a
UFO is sighted, it is called an encounter of the first kind. When evidence
is collected, it is known as an encounter of the second kind. When contact
is made with extraterrestrials, it is the third kind. The next level,
abduction, is the fourth kind. This encounter has been the most difficult to
documentŠuntil now. Structured unlike any film before it, The Fourth Kind is
a provocative thriller set in modern-day Nome, Alaska, where -- mysteriously
since the 1960s -- a disproportionate number of the population has been
reported missing every year. Despite multiple FBI investigations of the
region, the truth has never been discovered. Here in this remote region,
psychologist Dr. Abigail Tyler (Milla Jovovich) began videotaping sessions
with traumatized patients and unwittingly discovered some of the most
disturbing evidence of alien abduction ever documented. Using
never-before-seen archival footage that is integrated into the film, The
Fourth Kind exposes the terrified revelations of multiple witnesses. Their
accounts of being visited by alien figures all share disturbingly identical
details, the validity of which is investigated throughout the film.

Movie Trailer:
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[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: My Book is now available for purchase/Special Message for Fairfield, Iowa

[j_alexander_stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Damjan Jovanovic  wrote:
>
> How does a star system that's merely 115 million years old, not
> only evolve intelligent life, or even intelligent life more
> technologically advanced then us, but actually form planets in
> that short amount of time?
 
Being highly technologically advanced, maybe they moved there from an older 
star system. Or, maybe the whole thing is bollocks.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Directory of Active FF Spiritual Practice Groups

[Sal Sunshine]

On Sep 3, 2009, at 11:49 AM, j_alexander_stanley wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine   
wrote:


On Sep 3, 2009, at 9:58 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:


Fair enough. I accept that your snark was intended
as a snarky joke; I probably reacted to it because we
hold different assumptions about a couple of concepts.


No, Barry,  You reacted that way because you're an
unenlightened boor who wouldn't know "awakening"
if it introduced itself.  :)  Didn't you hear Alex?  There
are people here in FF who have actually "woken up"!
Imagine that.  Not to mention all the thousands who
presumably wake  up every day...that is, unless they
don't go to sleep.

This whole conversation reeks of more elitism than
any proposed CAFO ever could.


I don't think it's possible on FFL to mention the topic of seekers  
becoming finders without it pushing someone's buttons.


Great way of dismissing the inherent elitism in your
comments, Ale.
Sal

Re: [FairfieldLife] FW: My Book is now available for purchase/Special Message for Fairfield, Iowa

[Vaj]

On Sep 3, 2009, at 1:12 PM, Damjan Jovanovic wrote:

How does a star system that's merely 115 million years old, not  
only evolve intelligent life, or even intelligent life more  
technologically advanced then us, but actually form planets in that  
short amount of time?



Silly question! Through the Transcendental Meditation technique and  
an intergalactic wormhole. They were listening to the Beatles aeons  
before you even heard of them!

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Directory of Active FF Spiritual Practice Groups

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of j_alexander_stanley
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 11:49 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Directory of Active FF Spiritual Practice
Groups
 
 I don't think it's possible on FFL to mention the topic of seekers becoming
finders without it pushing someone's buttons.
 
There's some justification for that, in that many who reported great
experiences or Awakening did so to bolster their egos or attract followers.
Also, some folks' definition of enlightenment is rather exalted and would
exclude all stages of awakening other than the final one. Also, there's a
tendency to dismiss claims of awakening in those whose personalities we may
not like, or who appear so ordinary.
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Directory of Active FF Spiritual Practice Groups

[j_alexander_stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine  wrote:
>
> On Sep 3, 2009, at 11:49 AM, j_alexander_stanley wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine   
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> On Sep 3, 2009, at 9:58 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
> >>
> >>> Fair enough. I accept that your snark was intended
> >>> as a snarky joke; I probably reacted to it because we
> >>> hold different assumptions about a couple of concepts.
> >>
> >> No, Barry,  You reacted that way because you're an
> >> unenlightened boor who wouldn't know "awakening"
> >> if it introduced itself.  :)  Didn't you hear Alex?  There
> >> are people here in FF who have actually "woken up"!
> >> Imagine that.  Not to mention all the thousands who
> >> presumably wake  up every day...that is, unless they
> >> don't go to sleep.
> >>
> >> This whole conversation reeks of more elitism than
> >> any proposed CAFO ever could.
> >
> > I don't think it's possible on FFL to mention the topic of
> > seekers becoming finders without it pushing someone's buttons.
> 
> Great way of dismissing the inherent elitism in your
> comments, Ale.
> Sal

The elitism of my words was not genuine; it was *one* little joke meant to poke 
fun at those who habitually -- year after fucking year! -- make similar kinds 
of remarks on FFL, in genuine fashion, about TMers. Why hold me to a different 
standard?

[FairfieldLife] Re: UFO: Movie: 'The Fourth Kind'

[jr_esq]

Zecharia Sitchin has written books stating that the Earth was visited by ETs in 
the past and performed genetic engineering to make hominids look like them.  
So, if this theory is right, humans are the descendants of ETs who came here 
eons ago.

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=iu5rQrWs5lE&feature=PlayList&p=CA3D7C11BCDB0C70&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=5





--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
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> with traumatized patients and unwittingly discovered some of the most
> disturbing evidence of alien abduction ever documented. Using
> never-before-seen archival footage that is integrated into the film, The
> Fourth Kind exposes the terrified revelations of multiple witnesses. Their
> accounts of being visited by alien figures all share disturbingly identical
> details, the validity of which is investigated throughout the film.
> 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Directory of Active FF Spiritual Practice Groups

[j_alexander_stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of j_alexander_stanley
> Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 11:49 AM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Directory of Active FF Spiritual Practice
> Groups
>  
> > I don't think it's possible on FFL to mention the topic of
> > seekers becoming finders without it pushing someone's buttons.
>  
> There's some justification for that, in that many who reported
> great experiences or Awakening did so to bolster their egos or
> attract followers. Also, some folks' definition of enlightenment
> is rather exalted and would exclude all stages of awakening other
> than the final one. Also, there's a tendency to dismiss claims of
> awakening in those whose personalities we may not like, or who
> appear so ordinary.

Ok, fair enough. Personally, I don't even use the term "enlightenment" because 
it has so many different definitions. With respect to the huge shifts I went 
through from 2004-8, I refer to it on FFL only as my "Waking Down Brand Second 
Birth Awakening", 'cuz God knows, I'll never be a kundalini-markered vegan who 
shits vibhuti.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Directory of Active FF Spiritual Practice Groups

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> > On Behalf Of j_alexander_stanley
> > 
> > I don't think it's possible on FFL to mention the topic of 
> > seekers becoming finders without it pushing someone's buttons.
>  
> There's some justification for that, in that many who reported 
> great experiences or Awakening did so to bolster their egos or 
> attract followers.
> Also, some folks' definition of enlightenment is rather exalted 
> and would exclude all stages of awakening other than the final 
> one. Also, there's a tendency to dismiss claims of awakening in 
> those whose personalities we may not like, or who appear so 
> ordinary.

I can only speak for myself. I am not at *all*
opposed to people's experiences of "finding."
I just tend to look at what they DO with that
which they believe that they've found.

If, for example, they announce with absolute
certainty *exactly* what it IS that they've found,
or what it "means," I grow wary. I'd like to see
the telegram they got from God that makes them
so certain.  :-)

Another thing I see as a "red flag" in some who
claim that they have "found" is that they assume
that they have nothing more to ever find again,
that they're "there," and that there is no more 
seeking to do. I find that very, very sad. 

I think that to some extent the "finding" thang
is an extension of the "seeking" thang. That is,
a lot of people paid their dues for a long, long
time in traditions that left them as seekers,
without them ever finding what was promised.
That can tend to make people a little anxious,
and after 20 or 30 years make them almost 
*desperate* to find something -- anything --
to prove to themselves that all these years
and decades spent seeking were not in vain,
were not wasted.

So they let their standards slip. They have a 
realization or awakening, and because they've
waited so long for something to happen -- for
*anything* to happen -- they make more of the
experience than perhaps they should. They have
a flash of 24/7 witnessing and think they're
enlightened. They see rosy auras and think
they're in GC. 

I've seen this happen so many times, and in so
many spiritual traditions, that I tend to walk
away from anyone who talks about "having found."
*Especially* if it becomes apparent that after
having found whatever they found they *stopped*
there, and assumed that there was nothing more
to find.

I have only met two or three individuals on this
planet whom I suspect of being fully enlightened.
Every one of them could not *wait* to wake up 
each morning and see what new things it had to
teach them, what more they could learn that day,
and how much they might be changed at the end, 
of that day. That, to me, is finding something
and treating it correctly, as just one more step
along a never-ending path. Saying that one has e 
reached the end of seeking -- to me -- just indi-
cates that the person saying it has grown tired 
or lazy or complacent.

[FairfieldLife] 'Republican Senator(s) Holding onto Corporate Fascism'

[Robert]

Inhofe blasts Obama at Grove town hall

by MIKE SIMONS  (Backward) Tulsa, OK

U.S. Sen. Jim Infofe said at a town hall in Grove Wednesday that President 
Obama is disarming the military, destroying everything good about America and 
determined to turn foreign terrorists loose on U.S. soil. 
By RANDY KREHBIEL World Staff Writer
Published: 9/2/2009  5:56 PM
Last Modified: 9/2/2009  10:14 PM

GROVE — Right-thinking Americans can only hope the country will survive the 
next 16 months of the Obama administration until Republicans can regain control 
of Congress, U.S. Sen. Jim Inhofe said Wednesday.

“I never dreamed I would see an administration try to disavow all the things 
that have made this country different from all others,” Inhofe told more than 
300 people at a town hall meeting in the Grove Community Center.

“I have never seen so many things happening at one time so disheartening to 
America.” Inhofe found a highly receptive audience. Many wore T-shirts of a 
local organization called Get America Back. Its Web site promises “a plan to 
eliminate the socialist government and return Americas (sic) freedoms.”

The “plan” is a link to a YouTube video by Lloyd Marcus, a Florida artist and 
singer making the circuit of anti-Obama “Tea Party” rallies.

Wednesday’s audience was similar to those at town hall meetings throughout 
northeastern Oklahoma in recent weeks. Concerns centered on the administration 
and Democratic-controlled Congress.

Inhofe gave his constituents plenty to worry about.

“Every institution that has made this country the greatest nation in the world 
is under attack,” he said at the end of the 75-minute session.

During those 75 minutes, Inhofe said President Barack Obama is disarming the 
military, is destroying everything good about America and is determined to turn 
foreign terrorists loose on U.S. soil.

The good news, he said, is that he does not think the Democratic leadership can 
push through
health-care reform or the more controversial parts of its energy bill.

He also said he continues to be proven correct in his claim that global climate 
change is a hoax.

“More and more, with each month that goes by, more scientists agree with me,” 
he said. “We are winning.”

Inhofe opened by saying the noisy debate over health care has caused Americans 
to overlook other important issues, including climate change and energy policy.

He is also alarmed, he said, by the proposed closing of the detention camp at 
Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. The Obama administration wants to shutter the camp 
because of its association with torture.

Inhofe said: “There has never been a case of torture there. The people there 
are treated better than in the federal prisons.”

He continued, “I don’t know why President Obama is obsessed with turning 
terrorists loose in America.”

The administration says it wants to bring 60 to 80 prisoners to the U.S. for 
trial. Some Republicans have said those acquitted could be released in the 
U.S., but authorities say they would be deported as foreign nationals.

Inhofe’s third concern, he said, is that “Barack Obama is disarming America.” 
He conceded that Obama requested more military spending, but he criticized the 
elimination of several weapons systems, including the F-22 fighter.

Obama, at the urging of Defense Secretary Robert Gates, also scrapped one of 
Inhofe’s pet projects, a cannon that was to be assembled at Elgin in 
southwestern Oklahoma.

Gates, a holdover from the Bush administration, advocated abandoning high-tech 
systems such as the cannon and the F-22 for cheaper, more reliable weapons.

“Those of you who think like I do,” Inhofe said, “hope this country can hang on 
another 16 months.” 


  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Directory of Active FF Spiritual Practice Groups

[jpgillam]

So, I'll conclude that it takes a single 
Buddhist-inspired group in Fairfield to balance 
the influence of the many neo-advaitan groups.

;-)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5" wrote:
>
> >
> > What does it say that there are no 
> > Buddhist or zen groups on the list below? 
> > 
> >
>  Well, there is a weekly transcendental vipassana group meditation  held in 
> Fairfield.  Is fabulous spiritual practice even for the enlightened.  Led by 
> a person who came to FF many years ago as a practiced buddhist and TM'er.   
> This Weds group meditation is one of the nicest more powerful things going on 
> here.  A nice refuge.  Has been for years.  I just came in from it a while 
> ago tonite.
> 
> JGD,
> -Doug in FF
> 
> 
> > >
> > > Spiritual Practice Groups of Fairfield
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Directory of Active Fairfield Spiritual Practice Groups
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ___Alphabetical:
> > > 
> > >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Directory of Active FF Spiritual Practice Groups

[babajii_99]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> >
> > > On Behalf Of j_alexander_stanley
> > > 
> > > I don't think it's possible on FFL to mention the topic of 
> > > seekers becoming finders without it pushing someone's buttons.
> >  
> > There's some justification for that, in that many who reported 
 > great experiences or Awakening did so to bolster their egos or 
> > attract followers.
> > Also, some folks' definition of enlightenment is rather exalted 
> > and would exclude all stages of awakening other than the final 
> > one. Also, there's a tendency to dismiss claims of awakening in 
> > those whose personalities we may not like, or who appear so 
> > ordinary.
> 
> I can only speak for myself. I am not at *all*
> opposed to people's experiences of "finding."
> I just tend to look at what they DO with that
> which they believe that they've found.
> 
> If, for example, they announce with absolute
> certainty *exactly* what it IS that they've found,
> or what it "means," I grow wary. I'd like to see
> the telegram they got from God that makes them
> so certain.  :-)
> 
> Another thing I see as a "red flag" in some who
> claim that they have "found" is that they assume
> that they have nothing more to ever find again,
> that they're "there," and that there is no more 
> seeking to do. I find that very, very sad. 
> 
> I think that to some extent the "finding" thang
> is an extension of the "seeking" thang. That is,
> a lot of people paid their dues for a long, long
> time in traditions that left them as seekers,
> without them ever finding what was promised.
> That can tend to make people a little anxious,
> and after 20 or 30 years make them almost 
> *desperate* to find something -- anything --
> to prove to themselves that all these years
> and decades spent seeking were not in vain,
> were not wasted.
> 
> So they let their standards slip. They have a 
> realization or awakening, and because they've
> waited so long for something to happen -- for
> *anything* to happen -- they make more of the
> experience than perhaps they should. They have
> a flash of 24/7 witnessing and think they're
> enlightened. They see rosy auras and think
> they're in GC. 
> 
> I've seen this happen so many times, and in so
> many spiritual traditions, that I tend to walk
> away from anyone who talks about "having found."
> *Especially* if it becomes apparent that after
> having found whatever they found they *stopped*
> there, and assumed that there was nothing more
> to find.
> 
> I have only met two or three individuals on this
> planet whom I suspect of being fully enlightened.
> Every one of them could not *wait* to wake up 
> each morning and see what new things it had to
> teach them, what more they could learn that day,
> and how much they might be changed at the end, 
> of that day. That, to me, is finding something
> and treating it correctly, as just one more step
> along a never-ending path. Saying that one has e 
> reached the end of seeking -- to me -- just indi-
> cates that the person saying it has grown tired 
> or lazy or complacent.
>
This is good, everything you say, I can kinda relate too...

It would just make sense, that when one becomes more aware, I mean really more 
aware, then one would be more excited about 'waking up in the morning'...or for 
that matter, for every second that being more aware, is being more aware of 
feelings, things, intricacies, smells, tastes, transcendent values, archetypes, 
intuitions, feelings of bliss-full oneness...

The most important thing in life, is not to 'Reach Some Goal'...but rather, to 
just remember who you are, as a soul, in a body...but an eternal soul...

The more you can reflect and become aware of your 'Eternal Soul'(which is all 
you get to take with you, when you pass)
...while you are here in a body, 
You came here to do what you came here to do...

Like Jesus said: 'It is Finished'...he was 'Soul-Realized'...
Leaving the 'Cross' with 'All Peace and Love'...

~Kind of like John Lennon-[in a way],...
(Ah, my Oh, my, I'm wayy... sorry, I'm not supposed to compare the Beatles to 
Jesusnow I remember)...
Then call this a 'Successful Lifetime'...

Roberto

[FairfieldLife] 'Rampant Racism Re-Emerges in Republican Party!'

[Robert]

‘Handling Rampant Racism in America in 2009’

We are seeing a viral kind of hidden racism, that is boiling to the surface...
With the election of Barack Obama as President...

These are the same [type/cast] people, 
Who crucified Jesus Christ, in his day...
The same people who burned thousands of ‘Witches’ at the stakes in Europe...
The same people who supported Hitler in Germany, in 1933...to get that whole 
thing started...
You know the ones, with the empty soul-less eyes...

Can what happened in Germany in 1933, 
Happen, here in the United States, in 2009...???
Just because of some stupid corporate propagandist, stirs up the curse of this 
rampant,  Racism...
I'm sorry there, you racist little boys and girls...
We've all  seen that film, and it's really gotten quite boring, boring, and 
stupid...
It’s a new day, with a new movie...
So, you Alabama boys, to F’ yourselves...
And you Texas boys, do the same...
All ya’ all racist pigs, can just go and stay in your self-created Hell...
You F'in Bastards!

Robert De Verona, Madison, WI


  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Directory of Active FF Spiritual Practice Groups

[Sal Sunshine]

On Sep 3, 2009, at 1:19 PM, Rick Archer wrote:

 I don't think it's possible on FFL to mention the topic of seekers  
becoming finders without it pushing someone's buttons.


There's some justification for that, in that many who reported great  
experiences or Awakening did so to bolster their egos or attract  
followers. Also, some folks' definition of enlightenment is rather  
exalted and would exclude all stages of awakening other than the  
final one. Also, there's a tendency to dismiss claims of awakening  
in those whose personalities we may not like, or who appear so  
ordinary.


Rick, my comment had nothing to do with liking or not liking
some of these-called "awakened."  Except for one or two people,
one of whom I am friends with, the other who is Michael Goodman  
(enough said, I trust) I don't know for sure who the others are...but  
I'll bet I could guess by the way some of them act.

Funny you should mention ordinariness.  The highest
complement someone who's Jewish can give someone
else is to simply refer to them as a "mensch," which
basically translates into "human being."  How much
more ordinary can you get than that?  It basically means
that someone is a good guy, or gal.  No superlatives, no
attempt to exalt anyone or try to proclaim anyone's
superiority (while at the same time subtly putting down others,
all while claiming to be "humble.")  I don't see a whole lot of  
"menschness"amongst those making these claims...just another

way to convince others that while these exalted souls might
*look* angry, stressed-out, seem to have difficulty forming  
friendships and have almost non-existant relationships (sometimes)  
with their children, and generally like they're not having too

much fun in life...that it's all good, that's just their outward
manifestation, that they really are "special" and it's your
problem if you can't see that...you're not evolved enough.
And if their  kids wind up messed-up or on drugs,
well, they're not evolved enough either.
Am I missing something?
Sal

[FairfieldLife] Re: Directory of Active FF Spiritual Practice Groups

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine  wrote:
>
> Rick, my comment had nothing to do with liking or not liking
> some of these-called "awakened."  Except for one or two people,
> one of whom I am friends with, the other who is Michael Goodman  
> (enough said, I trust) I don't know for sure who the others 
> are...but I'll bet I could guess by the way some of them act.
> Funny you should mention ordinariness.  The highest
> complement someone who's Jewish can give someone
> else is to simply refer to them as a "mensch," which
> basically translates into "human being."  How much
> more ordinary can you get than that?  It basically means
> that someone is a good guy, or gal.  No superlatives, no
> attempt to exalt anyone or try to proclaim anyone's
> superiority (while at the same time subtly putting down others,
> all while claiming to be "humble.")  I don't see a whole lot of  
> "menschness"amongst those making these claims...just another
> way to convince others that while these exalted souls might
> *look* angry, stressed-out, seem to have difficulty forming  
> friendships and have almost non-existant relationships (sometimes)  
> with their children, and generally like they're not having too
> much fun in life...that it's all good, that's just their outward
> manifestation, that they really are "special" and it's your
> problem if you can't see that...you're not evolved enough.
> And if their  kids wind up messed-up or on drugs,
> well, they're not evolved enough either.
> Am I missing something?
> Sal

Wow.

Bravo. Deep bow. 

You should rant more often. :-)

Really, you should. This is a *great* rant, one that
just *nails* the issue. It's a very *real* perception
of what it's like to live in a small town in which a
lot of people are claiming to be "special."

I think that folks in Fairfield lose sight of the 
fact that this is not exactly normal, everyday shit.
Take a walk down Main Street of most towns in the US
and you're not likely to run into anyone who thinks
-- and says -- that he or she is enlightened. From
what I hear on this forum, take a walk down Main 
Street in Fairfield and you could run into half a 
dozen of them. 

So I think it's good to get a first-hand perspective
on how these "special" people handle themselves. Do
they walk their talk?

I've run into a few of these "special" people myself.
Not in Fairfield, but in my travels. Sadly, most do
not impress. As a good friend of mine said about one
of these "special" people, someone we both know well
and love, "The thing about W___ is that he never 
fails to disappoint."

We'd love to believe he was enlightened. It's just
that he doesn't let us. He keeps doing really dumb
shit like you describe above. 

[FairfieldLife] Hsuan Hua on the Surangama Sutra

[yifuxero]

by Tripitaka Master Hsuan Hua
Within Buddhism, there are very many important sutras.
However, the most important Sutra is the Shurangama Sutra. If
there are places which have the Shurangama Sutra, then the Proper
Dharma dwells in the world. If there is no Shurangama Sutra, then
the Dharma Ending Age appears. Therefore, we Buddhist disciples,
each and every one, must bring our strength, must bring our blood,
and must bring our sweat to protect the Shurangama Sutra. In the
Sutra of the Ultimate Extinction of the Dharma, it says very, very
clearly that in the Dharma Ending Age, the Shurangama Sutra is
the first to disappear, and the rest of the sutras disappear after it. If
the Shurangama Sutra does not disappear, then the Proper Dharma
Age is present. Because of that, we Buddhist disciples must use our
lives to protect the Shurangama Sutra, must use vows and
resolution to protect the Shurangama Sutra, and cause the
Shurangama Sutra to be known far and wide, reaching every nook
and cranny, reaching into each and every dust-mote, reaching out to
the exhaustion of empty space and of the Dharma Realm. If we can
do that, then there will be a time of Proper Dharma radiating great
light.
Why would the Shurangama Sutra be destroyed? It is because
it is too true. The Shurangama Sutra is the Buddha's true body. The
Shurangama Sutra is the Buddha's sharira. The Shurangama Sutra
is the Buddha's true and actual stupa and shrine. Therefore, because
x
the Shurangama Sutra is so true, all the demon kings use all kinds
of methods to destroy the Shurangama Sutra. They begin by
starting rumors, saying that the Shurangama Sutra is phony. Why
do they say the Shurangama Sutra is phony? It is because the
Shurangama Sutra speaks too truly, especially in the sections on
The Four Decisive Deeds, the Twenty-five Sages Describing
Perfect Penetration, and the States of the Fifty Skandha Demons.
Those of off-center persuasions and externally-oriented ways,
weird demons and strange freaks, are unable to stand it. Consequently
there are a good many senseless people who claim that the
Shurangama Sutra is a forgery.
Now, the principles set forth in the Shurangama Sutra are on
the one hand proper, and on the other in accord with principle, and
the weird demons and strange freaks, those in various cults and
sects, all cannot hide away their forms. Most senseless people, in
particular unwise scholars and garbage-collecting professors
"Tread upon the holy writ." With their extremely scant and partial
understanding, they are confused and unclear, lacking real erudition
and true and actual wisdom. That is why they falsely criticize. We
who study the Buddhadharma should very deeply be aware of these
circumstances. Therefore, wherever we go, we should bring up the
Shurangama Sutra. Wherever we go, we should propagate the
Shurangama Sutra. Wherever we go, we should introduce the
Shurangama Sutra to people. Why is that? It is because we wish to
cause the Proper Dharma long to dwell in the world.
If the Shurangama Sutra is regarded as true, then there is no
problem. To verify its truth, let me say that if the Shurangama
Sutra were phony, then I would willingly fall into the hells forever
through all eternity—for being unable to recognize the Buddhadharma—
for mistaking the false for true. If the Shurangama Sutra is
true, then life after life in every time I make the vow to propagate
the Great Dharma of the Shurangama, that I shall in every time and
every place propagate the true principles of the Shurangama.
xi

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Directory of Active FF Spiritual Practice Groups

[Rick Archer]

Hopefully I'll have time tonight to chime in on this thread, as it interests
me a lot and I appreciate the stuff folks have been writing.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hsuan Hua on the Surangama Sutra

[TurquoiseB]

This, by the way, is why I do not identify myself
as being a Buddhist.  :-)

I get that the guy believes all this stuff and is
enthusiastic about it and all, but honestly I find
this rap as distasteful as I would find a similar
rap by some fundamentalist Christian or fundamentalist
Veda-ist or spaced-out Newager. The absolutism of it 
just astounds me, and not in a good way.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero"  wrote:
>
> by Tripitaka Master Hsuan Hua
> Within Buddhism, there are very many important sutras.
> However, the most important Sutra is the Shurangama Sutra. If
> there are places which have the Shurangama Sutra, then the Proper
> Dharma dwells in the world. If there is no Shurangama Sutra, then
> the Dharma Ending Age appears. Therefore, we Buddhist disciples,
> each and every one, must bring our strength, must bring our blood,
> and must bring our sweat to protect tcahe Shurangama Sutra. In the
> Sutra of the Ultimate Extinction of the Dharma, it says very, very
> clearly that in the Dharma Ending Age, the Shurangama Sutra is
> the first to disappear, and the rest of the sutras disappear after it. If
> the Shurangama Sutra does not disappear, then the Proper Dharma
> Age is present. Because of that, we Buddhist disciples must use our
> lives to protect the Shurangama Sutra, must use vows and
> resolution to protect the Shurangama Sutra, and cause the
> Shurangama Sutra to be known far and wide, reaching every nook
> and cranny, reaching into each and every dust-mote, reaching out to
> the exhaustion of empty space and of the Dharma Realm. If we can
> do that, then there will be a time of Proper Dharma radiating great
> light.
> Why would the Shurangama Sutra be destroyed? It is because
> it is too true. The Shurangama Sutra is the Buddha's true body. The
> Shurangama Sutra is the Buddha's sharira. The Shurangama Sutra
> is the Buddha's true and actual stupa and shrine. Therefore, because
> x
> the Shurangama Sutra is so true, all the demon kings use all kinds
> of methods to destroy the Shurangama Sutra. They begin by
> starting rumors, saying that the Shurangama Sutra is phony. Why
> do they say the Shurangama Sutra is phony? It is because the
> Shurangama Sutra speaks too truly, especially in the sections on
> The Four Decisive Deeds, the Twenty-five Sages Describing
> Perfect Penetration, and the States of the Fifty Skandha Demons.
> Those of off-center persuasions and externally-oriented ways,
> weird demons and strange freaks, are unable to stand it. Consequently
> there are a good many senseless people who claim that the
> Shurangama Sutra is a forgery.
> Now, the principles set forth in the Shurangama Sutra are on
> the one hand proper, and on the other in accord with principle, and
> the weird demons and strange freaks, those in various cults and
> sects, all cannot hide away their forms. Most senseless people, in
> particular unwise scholars and garbage-collecting professors
> "Tread upon the holy writ." With their extremely scant and partial
> understanding, they are confused and unclear, lacking real erudition
> and true and actual wisdom. That is why they falsely criticize. We
> who study the Buddhadharma should very deeply be aware of these
> circumstances. Therefore, wherever we go, we should bring up the
> Shurangama Sutra. Wherever we go, we should propagate the
> Shurangama Sutra. Wherever we go, we should introduce the
> Shurangama Sutra to people. Why is that? It is because we wish to
> cause the Proper Dharma long to dwell in the world.
> If the Shurangama Sutra is regarded as true, then there is no
> problem. To verify its truth, let me say that if the Shurangama
> Sutra were phony, then I would willingly fall into the hells forever
> through all eternity—for being unable to recognize the Buddhadharma—
> for mistaking the false for true. If the Shurangama Sutra is
> true, then life after life in every time I make the vow to propagate
> the Great Dharma of the Shurangama, that I shall in every time and
> every place propagate the true principles of the Shurangama.
> xi
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: A question for Nelson Riddle (and others, if they want)

[bob_brigante]

> I know that in California over 50% of the 15-day
> "background checks" to purchase a handgun are 
> never done, because the infrastructure does not
> support it. For anyone who submits out of state 
> addresses, they cannot possibly get information
> from the out-of-state police departments within
> 15 days, so they just don't bother.
> 
> And *none* of the background checks would discover
> that this person was writing prolifically to the
> Internet urging people to kill the Clintons and
> Obama. That is not part of the *scope* of the
> background check, which looks only for previous
> felonies and misdemeanors.
> 

**

The FBI claims that background checks are instantaneous:

http://www.fbi.gov/hq/cjisd/nics.htm

[FairfieldLife] The Imaginarium of Dr. Parnassus

[Bhairitu]

Terry Gilliam's latest work that was Heath Ledger's last film.  Three 
clips provided:
http://www.comingsoon.net/films.php?id=38969

[FairfieldLife] How I got well in India for $50

[bob_brigante]

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2009/09/03/india/index.html

Re: [FairfieldLife] How I got well in India for $50

[It's just a ride]

On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 3:46 PM, bob_brigante wrote:
> http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2009/09/03/india/index.html

The wheel is moving but the hamster is dead.

I'm not that old but when I got sick, my parents called the doctor.
The doctor arrived, diagnosed and if he didn't have the required drug,
phone the pharmacy, which delivered a few minutes later.  Costs were
about the same as the ones in the Salon article.

[FairfieldLife] Re: How I got well in India for $50

[bob_brigante]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , "It's just a ride"
 wrote:
>
> On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 3:46 PM, bob_brigantemailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com> > wrote:
> > http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2009/09/03/india/index.html

>
> The wheel is moving but the hamster is dead.
>
> I'm not that old but when I got sick, my parents called the doctor.
> The doctor arrived, diagnosed and if he didn't have the required drug,
> phone the pharmacy, which delivered a few minutes later.  Costs were
> about the same as the ones in the Salon article.
>

*

My neighbor with a brain tumor got a visit from Apria's giant van
yesterday, but I doubt if a doc was aboard -- you can still get a actual
doctor house call in England, but that's pretty much a gone John here.

http://www.apria.com/about_apria/1,2746,512,00.html

[FairfieldLife] Snow Leoptard joke

[bob_brigante]

http://snipurl.com/rkyys  [voices_allthingsd_com] 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hsuan Hua on the Surangama Sutra

[Vaj]

On Sep 3, 2009, at 4:28 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:


This, by the way, is why I do not identify myself
as being a Buddhist. :-)

I get that the guy believes all this stuff and is
enthusiastic about it and all, but honestly I find
this rap as distasteful as I would find a similar
rap by some fundamentalist Christian or fundamentalist
Veda-ist or spaced-out Newager. The absolutism of it
just astounds me, and not in a good way.



I really liked the phrase "the Twenty-five Sages Describing Perfect  
Penetration". I mean if that's not a Bollywood porn flick just waiting  
to happen, I don't know what is. ;-).

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Directory of Active FF Spiritual Practice Groups

[Bhairitu]

Sal Sunshine wrote:
> On Sep 3, 2009, at 1:19 PM, Rick Archer wrote:
>
>>  I don't think it's possible on FFL to mention the topic of seekers 
>> becoming finders without it pushing someone's buttons.
>>
>> There's some justification for that, in that many who reported great 
>> experiences or Awakening did so to bolster their egos or attract 
>> followers. Also, some folks' definition of enlightenment is rather 
>> exalted and would exclude all stages of awakening other than the 
>> final one. Also, there's a tendency to dismiss claims of awakening in 
>> those whose personalities we may not like, or who appear so ordinary.
>
> Rick, my comment had nothing to do with liking or not liking
> some of these-called "awakened."  Except for one or two people,
> one of whom I am friends with, the other who is Michael Goodman 
> (enough said, I trust) I don't know for sure who the others are...but 
> I'll bet I could guess by the way some of them act.
> Funny you should mention ordinariness.  The highest
> complement someone who's Jewish can give someone
> else is to simply refer to them as a "mensch," which
> basically translates into "human being."  How much
> more ordinary can you get than that?  It basically means
> that someone is a good guy, or gal.  No superlatives, no
> attempt to exalt anyone or try to proclaim anyone's
> superiority (while at the same time subtly putting down others,
> all while claiming to be "humble.")  I don't see a whole lot of 
> "menschness"amongst those making these claims...just another
> way to convince others that while these exalted souls might
> *look* angry, stressed-out, seem to have difficulty forming 
> friendships and have almost non-existant relationships (sometimes) 
> with their children, and generally like they're not having too
> much fun in life...that it's all good, that's just their outward
> manifestation, that they really are "special" and it's your
> problem if you can't see that...you're not evolved enough.
> And if their  kids wind up messed-up or on drugs,
> well, they're not evolved enough either.
> Am I missing something?
> Sal
>
>

You will know you are on the road to enlightenment when you are no 
longer concerned about it.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: How I got well in India for $50

[It's just a ride]

On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 4:14 PM, bob_brigante wrote:
>
>
> My neighbor with a brain tumor got a visit from Apria's giant van yesterday,
> but I doubt if a doc was aboard -- you can still get a actual doctor house
> call in England, but that's pretty much a gone John here.
>
> http://www.apria.com/about_apria/1,2746,512,00.html

In my part of the US nurse practitioners are becoming very popular.
And even those people are overkill.  You really don't need a family
physician (4 year residency required) or general practitioner to
handle most problems.  An EMT or medic would do.  I've been treated
quite adequately by nurse practitioners where I live, at Gatwick
Airport when I took ill before a flight back to the US, and in
Boulder.

IRRC nurse practitioners are becoming very popular in places like
Iowa, especially in the area of anesthesia.  I needed day surgery a
few years ago and was kind of shocked when I was introduced to my
anesthetist, a nurse practitioner.  But I've never received such care
and concern as I have from her.  Whenever my blood oxygen saturation
dropped, she'd be at my side urging me to breathe and giving me some
Vicodin.  I had a deviated septum repaired.  These make it difficult
to breath and also hurt.

Considering the care I get from my gp, I'd much rather walk into a
fire station and ask to be seen by an EMT.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Directory of Active FF Spiritual Practice Groups

[Sal Sunshine]

On Sep 3, 2009, at 3:15 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine   
wrote:


Rick, my comment had nothing to do with liking or not liking
some of these-called "awakened."  Except for one or two people,
one of whom I am friends with, the other who is Michael Goodman
(enough said, I trust) I don't know for sure who the others
are...but I'll bet I could guess by the way some of them act.
Funny you should mention ordinariness.  The highest
complement someone who's Jewish can give someone
else is to simply refer to them as a "mensch," which
basically translates into "human being."  How much
more ordinary can you get than that?  It basically means
that someone is a good guy, or gal.  No superlatives, no
attempt to exalt anyone or try to proclaim anyone's
superiority (while at the same time subtly putting down others,
all while claiming to be "humble.")  I don't see a whole lot of
"menschness"amongst those making these claims...just another
way to convince others that while these exalted souls might
*look* angry, stressed-out, seem to have difficulty forming
friendships and have almost non-existant relationships (sometimes)
with their children, and generally like they're not having too
much fun in life...that it's all good, that's just their outward
manifestation, that they really are "special" and it's your
problem if you can't see that...you're not evolved enough.
And if their  kids wind up messed-up or on drugs,
well, they're not evolved enough either.
Am I missing something?
Sal


Wow.

Bravo. Deep bow.

You should rant more often. :-)

Really, you should. This is a *great* rant, one that
just *nails* the issue. It's a very *real* perception
of what it's like to live in a small town in which a
lot of people are claiming to be "special."

I think that folks in Fairfield lose sight of the
fact that this is not exactly normal, everyday shit.
Take a walk down Main Street of most towns in the US
and you're not likely to run into anyone who thinks
-- and says -- that he or she is enlightened. From
what I hear on this forum, take a walk down Main
Street in Fairfield and you could run into half a
dozen of them.

So I think it's good to get a first-hand perspective
on how these "special" people handle themselves. Do
they walk their talk?

I've run into a few of these "special" people myself.
Not in Fairfield, but in my travels. Sadly, most do
not impress. As a good friend of mine said about one
of these "special" people, someone we both know well
and love, "The thing about W___ is that he never
fails to disappoint."

We'd love to believe he was enlightened. It's just
that he doesn't let us. He keeps doing really dumb
shit like you describe above.


Well, at least he does something. :)
I guess it never ceases to amaze me how perfectly
rational people can claim to believe is some mystical
state of mind that has no criterion by which to
identify it, and nobody who's in it ever does anything
to benefit anyone else, and if they do it's usually by accident.
I don't see how believing in that is any different than
believing there's a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.
Or believing in the Pleidians.  Not to mention that several
of the early "enlightened" ones have since been shown
to be serious weirdos.

Sal

[FairfieldLife] Re: Directory of Active FF Spiritual Practice Groups

[j_alexander_stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> I have only met two or three individuals on this
> planet whom I suspect of being fully enlightened.
> Every one of them could not *wait* to wake up 
> each morning and see what new things it had to
> teach them, what more they could learn that day,
> and how much they might be changed at the end, 
> of that day. That, to me, is finding something
> and treating it correctly, as just one more step
> along a never-ending path. Saying that one has e 
> reached the end of seeking -- to me -- just indi-
> cates that the person saying it has grown tired 
> or lazy or complacent.

The way I see it, before awakening, there is seeking toward a particular end 
point. After awakening, it's a free-fall into endless finding, and it's all 
pretty much automatic. Because it's a completely different dynamic than 
pre-awakening seeking, I wouldn't label the post-awakening embrace of endless 
finding as a continuation of "seeking".

In my case, all my seeking was about arriving at an end point that featured an 
I/me story that wasn't broken. That was basically just decades of me making 
myself wrong, and that seeking has come to an end. Having never had an interest 
in enlightenment and flashy esoteric experiences, I'm not about to start making 
myself wrong for still not being interested in such things. If I'm supposed to 
pursue kundalini markers, rainbow bodies, or whatever, then the desire to do so 
will just have to arise naturally. I'm totally cool with being lazy and 
complacent by not seeking that which doesn't interest me.

For now, I'm just doing "the next obvious thing", as Tom Traynor puts it. 
Waking Down brought me to a space where I could do the serious inner work with 
a therapist, and after finishing up with that, the stock market tanked, my 
investment council made some bozo stock plays, and the next obvious thing was 
giving them the boot and taking control of my investments. Perhaps I'm setting 
the bar too low, but living a quiet, happy, ordinary life, free of internal 
egoic hell, is good enough for me.

[FairfieldLife] 'Hating Obama more than Love Jesus?'...

[Robert]

Our little ‘Petty Republican Retarded Friends...’
(really an insult to all decent retarded folks...)

It seems so...lately the racist rhetoric is getting petty disgusting, so say 
the least...
They want to be suicidal, homicidal, screwed up, confused bewildered, angry, 
rage- full...and all manner of ugly things...
Because they ‘Hate Obama’...?
They ‘Want him to Fail’...
What war-fear-mongers, they are...
These folks...
Wouldn’t know Jesus...
When one of these dudes, of dudettes...
Saw him at the NASCAR rally...

R.G.




  

[FairfieldLife] 'Arctic Heatwave- says B.B.C.'

[Robert]

[FairfieldLife] Re: How I got well in India for $50

[bob_brigante]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "It's just a ride" 
 wrote:
>
> On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 4:14 PM, bob_brigante wrote:
> >
> >
> > My neighbor with a brain tumor got a visit from Apria's giant van yesterday,
> > but I doubt if a doc was aboard -- you can still get a actual doctor house
> > call in England, but that's pretty much a gone John here.
> >
> > http://www.apria.com/about_apria/1,2746,512,00.html
> 
> In my part of the US nurse practitioners are becoming very popular.
> And even those people are overkill.  You really don't need a family
> physician (4 year residency required) or general practitioner to
> handle most problems.  An EMT or medic would do.  I've been treated
> quite adequately by nurse practitioners where I live, at Gatwick
> Airport when I took ill before a flight back to the US, and in
> Boulder.
> 
> IRRC nurse practitioners are becoming very popular in places like
> Iowa, especially in the area of anesthesia.  I needed day surgery a
> few years ago and was kind of shocked when I was introduced to my
> anesthetist, a nurse practitioner.  But I've never received such care
> and concern as I have from her.  Whenever my blood oxygen saturation
> dropped, she'd be at my side urging me to breathe and giving me some
> Vicodin.  I had a deviated septum repaired.  These make it difficult
> to breath and also hurt.
> 
> Considering the care I get from my gp, I'd much rather walk into a
> fire station and ask to be seen by an EMT.
>

***

There's another level of skill in some states, like here in CA, where they have 
"physician assistant," with much more education than a nurse or nurse 
practitioner:

http://www.pac.ca.gov/forms_pubs/what_is.shtml

But it would clearly be better (and cheaper) if there were simply more people 
allowed to attend medical school, like in India -- but the doctors' union, the 
AMA, is not about to let "too many" doctors bring down their income. Actually, 
what is bringing down doctor income these days are HMOs, who have reduced 
physician wages through the HMOs' bargaining clout so that now dentists make 
more on average than physicians (though that is shaky now because in this 
recession many people are deferring elective dental procedures):

"Dentists' incomes have grown faster than that of the typical American and the 
incomes of medical doctors. Formerly poor relations to physicians, American 
dentists in general practice made an average salary of $185,000 in 2004, the 
most recent data available. That figure is similar to what non-specialist 
doctors make, but dentists work far fewer hours. Dental surgeons and 
orthodontists average more than $300,000 annually.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/11/business/11decay.html 

Re: [FairfieldLife] How I got well in India for $50

[Bhairitu]

It's just a ride wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 3:46 PM, bob_brigante wrote:
>   
>> http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2009/09/03/india/index.html
>> 
>
> The wheel is moving but the hamster is dead.
>
> I'm not that old but when I got sick, my parents called the doctor.
> The doctor arrived, diagnosed and if he didn't have the required drug,
> phone the pharmacy, which delivered a few minutes later.  Costs were
> about the same as the ones in the Salon article.

We need to graduate more doctors to increase competition in the US.  The 
AMA is the fly in the ointment there.   Perhaps we need to dig out the 
tar and feathers again.

[FairfieldLife] '92 year old-last survivor of Hitler's bunker'

[Robert]

I was in Hitler's suicide bunker




















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Hitler's former bodyguard Rochus Misch is the last survivor of Hitler's 
bunker

















By Steven Rosenberg






BBC News, Berlin 




























At his living room table, 92-year-old Rochus Misch shows me some
of his old photo albums. Private pictures he had taken more than 60
years ago. There are colour images of Mr Misch in an SS uniform at
Adolf Hitler's home in the Alps, snapshots of Hitler staring at
rabbits, and photos of Hitler's mistress and future wife Eva Braun.
For
five years, SS Oberscharfuehrer Rochus Misch had been part of Adolf
Hitler's inner circle, as a bodyguard, a courier and telephone operator
to the Fuehrer. 






Rochus Misch spent years as part of Hitler's 
inner circle. Photo Rochus Misch









"My first meeting with Hitler was rather strange," Mr Misch recalls.
"I'd been in the job 12 days when Hitler's chief adjutant, a man called
Bruckner, started asking me questions about my grandmother, about my
childhood. "Then he got up and walked towards the door. Being
an obedient soldier, I flung myself forward to open it, and there was
Hitler standing right behind the door. I felt cold. Then I felt hot. I
felt every emotion standing there opposite Hitler. "In the
Fuehrer's entourage, strictly speaking, we were bodyguards," says Mr
Misch. "When Hitler was travelling, between four and six of us would
accompany him in a second car. But when we were at Hitler's apartment
in the Chancellery we also had other duties. Two of us would always
work as telephone operators. With a boss like Hitler, there were always
plenty of phone calls." Last survivorWith the
Allies advancing and Germany on the brink of defeat, Hitler retreated
to his Berlin bunker. Rochus Misch was the telephone operator there. "I worked 
in a small room with a telephone and teletype machine with outside lines," he 
remembers. 






Hitler's HQ in eastern Poland was known as the 
Wolfsschanze (Wolf's Lair). Photo: Rochus Misch









"There was only enough room to shelter one extra person in my room
in the event of an air raid. The bunker really wasn't that big. It
contained small rooms of only 10 to 12 square metres." Rochus
Misch is the last survivor of the Hitler bunker. He is the final
witness of the drama that took place there on 30 April 1945. It was the
day Adolf Hitler and Eva Braun committed suicide. "Suddenly I
heard somebody shouting to Hitler's attendant: 'Linge, Linge, I think
it's happened.' They'd heard a gunshot, but I hadn't. At that moment
Martin Bormann, Hitler's private secretary, ordered everyone to be
silent. Everyone began whispering. I was speaking on the telephone and
I made sure I talked louder on purpose because I wanted to hear
something. I didn't want it to feel like we were in a death bunker. Deaths






Eva Braun at The Berghof, Hitler's Alpine HQ.

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[FairfieldLife] Tuesday afternoon

[yifuxero]

Tuesday Afternoon
Moody Blues

Tuesday afternoon,
I'm just beginning to see, now I'm on my way
It doesn't matter to me, chasing the clouds away.

Something, calls to me,
The trees are drawing me near, I've got to find out why?
Those gentle voices I hear, explain it all with a sigh.

I'm looking at myself reflections of my mind,
It's just the kind of day to leave myself behind.
So gently swaying through the fairyland of love,
If you'll just come with me you'll see the beauty of

Tuesday afternoon, Tuesday afternoon.

Tuesday, afternoon,
I'm just beginning to see, now I'm on my way.
It doesn't matter to me, chasing the clouds away.
Something, calls to me,
The trees are drawing me near, I've got to find out why?
Those gentle voices I hear, explain it all with a sigh.

[FairfieldLife] 'Republican's/Neo-Nazi-Corporate-Take-Over-Agenda!'

[Robert]

  ‘petty little- republica-nero-nazi= friends..?, don'ta thinka so...

"Power to the People!''
~John H.Lennon...

It seems so...
These damn bastards ranting and raving, like luniticks in the night...howling 
like wolves at a corporate eating function.
Hedonistic, God-Less Pricks and Prick-ettes..
These squirmy pigs are gettin' more disgustin' by the day!!
Suicidal, homicidal, screwed up, confused bewildered, angry, rage- full...and 
all manner of ugly things...kind of like the bad terroristic people we here 
about, overseas, by 'Dick' Cheney,  the right-wing neo-nazi, Fox Network, 'The 
Wall St. Journal', these old 'Roman Corporate A-Holes...well they just a gotta 
go..no room at the inn anymore for these bastards...
'The Times, they are a changin...I can hear it in my EARS! Get it you 
incorporated f'n mt..
That's why, this small god-less group, hate President Obama, really they 
do...do...
They ‘Want him to Fail’...
They hate the idea, of: Power to the People'...
Because that would mean, that the people, have become aware...
And no longer vulnerable to fascist fear brain-washing fox cia techniques...

What war-fear-mongers, they are...
These folks...
Wouldn't even know Jesus, if they tripped over him...
At one of them, NASCAr Rallies...
Right?

~Roberto De Verona, Madison, WI



  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Tuesday afternoon

[Bhairitu]

I remember TM'ers played that album over and over and over again.  I got 
sick of hearing it.  It was like muzak.

yifuxero wrote:
> Tuesday Afternoon
> Moody Blues
>
> Tuesday afternoon,
> I'm just beginning to see, now I'm on my way
> It doesn't matter to me, chasing the clouds away.
>
> Something, calls to me,
> The trees are drawing me near, I've got to find out why?
> Those gentle voices I hear, explain it all with a sigh.
>
> I'm looking at myself reflections of my mind,
> It's just the kind of day to leave myself behind.
> So gently swaying through the fairyland of love,
> If you'll just come with me you'll see the beauty of
>
> Tuesday afternoon, Tuesday afternoon.
>
> Tuesday, afternoon,
> I'm just beginning to see, now I'm on my way.
> It doesn't matter to me, chasing the clouds away.
> Something, calls to me,
> The trees are drawing me near, I've got to find out why?
> Those gentle voices I hear, explain it all with a sigh.
>
>
>
>
>   

[FairfieldLife] Re: Tuesday afternoon

[yifuxero]

--People played it over and over again when I was in the Army in the 60's: Ft. 
Ord, Camp Roberts (the latter 2 no longer in existence); and Ft. Gordon, GA 
which people called "Ft. Garbage."  That was back when recruits were "maggots". 
That's my association.

In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> I remember TM'ers played that album over and over and over again.  I got 
> sick of hearing it.  It was like muzak.
> 
> yifuxero wrote:
> > Tuesday Afternoon
> > Moody Blues
> >
> > Tuesday afternoon,
> > I'm just beginning to see, now I'm on my way
> > It doesn't matter to me, chasing the clouds away.
> >
> > Something, calls to me,
> > The trees are drawing me near, I've got to find out why?
> > Those gentle voices I hear, explain it all with a sigh.
> >
> > I'm looking at myself reflections of my mind,
> > It's just the kind of day to leave myself behind.
> > So gently swaying through the fairyland of love,
> > If you'll just come with me you'll see the beauty of
> >
> > Tuesday afternoon, Tuesday afternoon.
> >
> > Tuesday, afternoon,
> > I'm just beginning to see, now I'm on my way.
> > It doesn't matter to me, chasing the clouds away.
> > Something, calls to me,
> > The trees are drawing me near, I've got to find out why?
> > Those gentle voices I hear, explain it all with a sigh.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Support HR 676

[raunchydog]

Screw the Public Option. The fix is in. It's nearly D.O.A. in the Senate or a 
useless sham, piece of crap in House bill, HR3200. There are 83 House Reps (up 
from 60) that have drawn a line in the sand. They will not support a bill 
without a "strong" (whatever that means) public option. They are members of 
Congress who compromised on Single payer for a public option and now even that 
is under attack. 

Scrap HR3200 and start from scratch: http://www.hr676.org
Support HR676 Sponsor Rep John Conyers. Call your congressperson if you don't 
see his or her name on the list:

H.R.676
Title: To provide for comprehensive health insurance coverage for all United 
States residents, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Rep Conyers, John, Jr. [MI-14] (introduced 1/24/2007)  Cosponsors 
(93)
Latest Major Action: 2/2/2007 Referred to House subcommittee. Status: Referred 
to the Subcommittee on Health. COSPONSORS(93), BY DATE [order is left to 
right]: (Sort: alphabetical order)


  Rep Kucinich, Dennis J. [OH-10] - 1/24/2007
  Rep McDermott, Jim [WA-7] - 1/24/2007
  Rep Christensen, Donna M. [VI] - 1/24/2007
  Rep Lee, Barbara [CA-9] - 1/24/2007
  Rep Farr, Sam [CA-17] - 1/24/2007
  Rep McNulty, Michael R. [NY-21] - 1/24/2007
  Rep Grijalva, Raul M. [AZ-7] - 1/24/2007
  Rep Hinchey, Maurice D. [NY-22] - 1/24/2007
  Rep Gutierrez, Luis V. [IL-4] - 1/24/2007
  Rep Jackson-Lee, Sheila [TX-18] - 1/24/2007
  Rep Watson, Diane E. [CA-33] - 1/24/2007
  Rep Ellison, Keith [MN-5] - 1/24/2007
  Rep Loebsack, David [IA-2] - 1/24/2007
  Rep Clay, Wm. Lacy [MO-1] - 1/24/2007
  Rep Honda, Michael M. [CA-15] - 1/24/2007
  Rep Roybal-Allard, Lucille [CA-34] - 1/24/2007
  Rep McGovern, James P. [MA-3] - 1/24/2007
  Rep Carson, Julia [IN-7] - 1/24/2007
  Rep Baldwin, Tammy [WI-2] - 1/24/2007
  Rep Scott, Robert C. "Bobby" [VA-3] - 1/24/2007
  Rep Engel, Eliot L. [NY-17] - 1/24/2007
  Rep Abercrombie, Neil [HI-1] - 1/24/2007
  Rep Woolsey, Lynn C. [CA-6] - 1/24/2007
  Rep Wexler, Robert [FL-19] - 1/24/2007
  Rep Pastor, Ed [AZ-4] - 1/24/2007
  Rep Payne, Donald M. [NJ-10] - 1/24/2007
  Rep Johnson, Eddie Bernice [TX-30] - 1/24/2007
  Rep Weiner, Anthony D. [NY-9] - 1/24/2007
  Rep Meehan, Martin T. [MA-5] - 1/24/2007
  Rep Green, Al [TX-9] - 1/24/2007
  Rep Fattah, Chaka [PA-2] - 1/24/2007
  Rep Wynn, Albert Russell [MD-4] - 1/24/2007
  Rep Cummings, Elijah E. [MD-7] - 1/24/2007
  Rep Davis, Danny K. [IL-7] - 1/24/2007
  Rep Filner, Bob [CA-51] - 1/24/2007
  Rep Jackson, Jesse L., Jr. [IL-2] - 1/24/2007
  Rep Kilpatrick, Carolyn C. [MI-13] - 1/24/2007
  Rep Lewis, John [GA-5] - 1/24/2007
  Rep Miller, George [CA-7] - 1/24/2007
  Rep Moore, Gwen [WI-4] - 1/24/2007
  Rep Rangel, Charles B. [NY-15] - 1/24/2007
  Rep Towns, Edolphus [NY-10] - 1/24/2007
  Rep Hastings, Alcee L. [FL-23] - 1/29/2007
  Rep Nadler, Jerrold [NY-8] - 1/29/2007
  Rep Waters, Maxine [CA-35] - 1/29/2007
  Rep Maloney, Carolyn B. [NY-14] - 1/29/2007
  Rep Rush, Bobby L. [IL-1] - 2/6/2007
  Rep Cohen, Steve [TN-9] - 2/7/2007
  Rep Serrano, Jose E. [NY-16] - 2/7/2007
  Rep Delahunt, William D. [MA-10] - 2/12/2007
  Rep Kaptur, Marcy [OH-9] - 2/12/2007
  Rep Solis, Hilda L. [CA-32] - 2/12/2007
  Rep Johnson, Henry C. "Hank," Jr. [GA-4] - 2/13/2007
  Rep Clarke, Yvette D. [NY-11] - 2/16/2007
  Rep Olver, John W. [MA-1] - 2/16/2007
  Rep Yarmuth, John A. [KY-3] - 2/27/2007
  Rep Udall, Tom [NM-3] - 2/27/2007
  Rep Brady, Robert A. [PA-1] - 2/27/2007
  Rep Napolitano, Grace F. [CA-38] - 2/27/2007
  Rep Frank, Barney [MA-4] - 3/7/2007
  Rep Norton, Eleanor Holmes [DC] - 3/21/2007
  Rep Doyle, Michael F. [PA-14] - 3/21/2007
  Rep Sutton, Betty [OH-13] - 3/27/2007
  Rep Schakowsky, Janice D. [IL-9] - 4/17/2007
  Rep Kildee, Dale E. [MI-5] - 4/17/2007
  Rep Brown, Corrine [FL-3] - 4/17/2007
  Rep Sanchez, Linda T. [CA-39] - 4/23/2007
  Rep Hare, Phil [IL-17] - 4/30/2007
  Rep Welch, Peter [VT] - 5/3/2007
  Rep Ryan, Tim [OH-17] - 5/8/2007
  Rep Jones, Stephanie Tubbs [OH-11] - 5/23/2007
  Rep Thompson, Bennie G. [MS-2] - 6/12/2007
  Rep Becerra, Xavier [CA-31] - 6/13/2007
  Rep Berman, Howard L. [CA-28] - 6/15/2007
  Rep Jefferson, William J. [LA-2] - 6/26/2007
  Rep Hirono, Mazie K. [HI-2] - 7/23/2007
  Rep Tierney, John F. [MA-6] - 9/6/2007
  Rep Baca, Joe [CA-43] - 9/17/2007
  Rep Scott, David [GA-13] - 9/20/2007
  Rep Richardson, Laura [CA-37] - 9/20/2007
  Rep Meeks, Gregory W. [NY-6] - 9/20/2007
  Rep Sanchez, Loretta [CA-47] - 9/20/2007
  Rep Kennedy, Patrick J. [RI-1] - 9/24/2007
  Rep Lantos, Tom [CA-12] - 10/1/2007
  Rep Lynch, Stephen F. [MA-9] - 10/9/2007
  Rep Capuano, Michael E. [MA-8] - 11/9/2007
  Rep Bishop, Sanfo

Re: [FairfieldLife] Support HR 676

[Bhairitu]

Looks like a good bill and have preventative care in it (sec 402).  
Watch Big Pharma Phascists try to kill it or contort it.

raunchydog wrote:
> Screw the Public Option. The fix is in. It's nearly D.O.A. in the Senate or a 
> useless sham, piece of crap in House bill, HR3200. There are 83 House Reps 
> (up from 60) that have drawn a line in the sand. They will not support a bill 
> without a "strong" (whatever that means) public option. They are members of 
> Congress who compromised on Single payer for a public option and now even 
> that is under attack. 
>
> Scrap HR3200 and start from scratch: http://www.hr676.org
> Support HR676 Sponsor Rep John Conyers. Call your congressperson if you don't 
> see his or her name on the list:
>
> H.R.676
> Title: To provide for comprehensive health insurance coverage for all United 
> States residents, and for other purposes.
> Sponsor: Rep Conyers, John, Jr. [MI-14] (introduced 1/24/2007)  
> Cosponsors (93)
> Latest Major Action: 2/2/2007 Referred to House subcommittee. Status: 
> Referred to the Subcommittee on Health. COSPONSORS(93), BY DATE [order is 
> left to right]: (Sort: alphabetical order)
>
>
>   Rep Kucinich, Dennis J. [OH-10] - 1/24/2007
>   Rep McDermott, Jim [WA-7] - 1/24/2007
>   Rep Christensen, Donna M. [VI] - 1/24/2007
>   Rep Lee, Barbara [CA-9] - 1/24/2007
>   Rep Farr, Sam [CA-17] - 1/24/2007
>   Rep McNulty, Michael R. [NY-21] - 1/24/2007
>   Rep Grijalva, Raul M. [AZ-7] - 1/24/2007
>   Rep Hinchey, Maurice D. [NY-22] - 1/24/2007
>   Rep Gutierrez, Luis V. [IL-4] - 1/24/2007
>   Rep Jackson-Lee, Sheila [TX-18] - 1/24/2007
>   Rep Watson, Diane E. [CA-33] - 1/24/2007
>   Rep Ellison, Keith [MN-5] - 1/24/2007
>   Rep Loebsack, David [IA-2] - 1/24/2007
>   Rep Clay, Wm. Lacy [MO-1] - 1/24/2007
>   Rep Honda, Michael M. [CA-15] - 1/24/2007
>   Rep Roybal-Allard, Lucille [CA-34] - 1/24/2007
>   Rep McGovern, James P. [MA-3] - 1/24/2007
>   Rep Carson, Julia [IN-7] - 1/24/2007
>   Rep Baldwin, Tammy [WI-2] - 1/24/2007
>   Rep Scott, Robert C. "Bobby" [VA-3] - 1/24/2007
>   Rep Engel, Eliot L. [NY-17] - 1/24/2007
>   Rep Abercrombie, Neil [HI-1] - 1/24/2007
>   Rep Woolsey, Lynn C. [CA-6] - 1/24/2007
>   Rep Wexler, Robert [FL-19] - 1/24/2007
>   Rep Pastor, Ed [AZ-4] - 1/24/2007
>   Rep Payne, Donald M. [NJ-10] - 1/24/2007
>   Rep Johnson, Eddie Bernice [TX-30] - 1/24/2007
>   Rep Weiner, Anthony D. [NY-9] - 1/24/2007
>   Rep Meehan, Martin T. [MA-5] - 1/24/2007
>   Rep Green, Al [TX-9] - 1/24/2007
>   Rep Fattah, Chaka [PA-2] - 1/24/2007
>   Rep Wynn, Albert Russell [MD-4] - 1/24/2007
>   Rep Cummings, Elijah E. [MD-7] - 1/24/2007
>   Rep Davis, Danny K. [IL-7] - 1/24/2007
>   Rep Filner, Bob [CA-51] - 1/24/2007
>   Rep Jackson, Jesse L., Jr. [IL-2] - 1/24/2007
>   Rep Kilpatrick, Carolyn C. [MI-13] - 1/24/2007
>   Rep Lewis, John [GA-5] - 1/24/2007
>   Rep Miller, George [CA-7] - 1/24/2007
>   Rep Moore, Gwen [WI-4] - 1/24/2007
>   Rep Rangel, Charles B. [NY-15] - 1/24/2007
>   Rep Towns, Edolphus [NY-10] - 1/24/2007
>   Rep Hastings, Alcee L. [FL-23] - 1/29/2007
>   Rep Nadler, Jerrold [NY-8] - 1/29/2007
>   Rep Waters, Maxine [CA-35] - 1/29/2007
>   Rep Maloney, Carolyn B. [NY-14] - 1/29/2007
>   Rep Rush, Bobby L. [IL-1] - 2/6/2007
>   Rep Cohen, Steve [TN-9] - 2/7/2007
>   Rep Serrano, Jose E. [NY-16] - 2/7/2007
>   Rep Delahunt, William D. [MA-10] - 2/12/2007
>   Rep Kaptur, Marcy [OH-9] - 2/12/2007
>   Rep Solis, Hilda L. [CA-32] - 2/12/2007
>   Rep Johnson, Henry C. "Hank," Jr. [GA-4] - 2/13/2007
>   Rep Clarke, Yvette D. [NY-11] - 2/16/2007
>   Rep Olver, John W. [MA-1] - 2/16/2007
>   Rep Yarmuth, John A. [KY-3] - 2/27/2007
>   Rep Udall, Tom [NM-3] - 2/27/2007
>   Rep Brady, Robert A. [PA-1] - 2/27/2007
>   Rep Napolitano, Grace F. [CA-38] - 2/27/2007
>   Rep Frank, Barney [MA-4] - 3/7/2007
>   Rep Norton, Eleanor Holmes [DC] - 3/21/2007
>   Rep Doyle, Michael F. [PA-14] - 3/21/2007
>   Rep Sutton, Betty [OH-13] - 3/27/2007
>   Rep Schakowsky, Janice D. [IL-9] - 4/17/2007
>   Rep Kildee, Dale E. [MI-5] - 4/17/2007
>   Rep Brown, Corrine [FL-3] - 4/17/2007
>   Rep Sanchez, Linda T. [CA-39] - 4/23/2007
>   Rep Hare, Phil [IL-17] - 4/30/2007
>   Rep Welch, Peter [VT] - 5/3/2007
>   Rep Ryan, Tim [OH-17] - 5/8/2007
>   Rep Jones, Stephanie Tubbs [OH-11] - 5/23/2007
>   Rep Thompson, Bennie G. [MS-2] - 6/12/2007
>   Rep Becerra, Xavier [CA-31] - 6/13/2007
>   Rep Berman, Howard L. [CA-28] - 6/15/2007
>   Rep Jefferson, William J. [LA-2] - 6/26/2007
>   Rep Hirono, Mazie K. [HI-2] - 7/23/2007
>   Rep Tierney, John F. [MA-6] - 9/6/2007
>   Rep Baca, Joe [CA-43] - 9/17/2007
>   Rep Scott, David [GA-13] - 9/20/2007
>   Rep

[FairfieldLife] vark.com answer system

[bob_brigante]

The trouble w/yahoo answers is that many incompetent people, 12 yr old kids 
mainly it seems, will answer and rarely have anything useful to say -- vark.com 
is supposed to be more useful:

http://vark.com/

from the NYT tech guy:

Got a Burning Question? Ask the Net
By DAVID POGUE

There's plenty of nastiness on the Internet--mean stuff,
dirty stuff, snarky stuff--but there's also an incredible
amount of kindness and support to be found. Next time
you're looking for something wildly entertaining and
enlightening to do online, check out a site like
answers.yahoo.com
http://answers.yahoo.com/
or answerbag.com
http://www.answerbag.com/
On these sites, you can pose a question--any question at
all--and crowdsource the answer. You watch and wait as the
vast masses chime in with their opinions on your questions.

(Currently on the Yahoo Answers home page: "What's the best
brand of handball?" "Baby waking up often. Please help me?"
"Is it true that if you have alopecia, you have to shave
your head?" And so on.)

There are a few problems with the Yahoo/Answerbag method,
though. First of all, they're so scattershot. You post your
question, and you just hope that someone who knows the
answer might stumble upon it. There's no attempt to get
your question to precisely the *right* person.

Second, it's public. Obviously, you can use a cryptic login
name, but still--your question, which might be personal or
embarrassing--is out there for all to see. It's just
somehow a little creepy.

Until recently, I'd been relying on Twitter for all my
obscure-question-answering needs. Often I'd ask for help on
some tweaky Photoshop filter setting or a detail of some
1950's Broadway show--and sure enough, someone or other
would always know the answer. But often, I'd get 60
replies, meaning I'd wasted the time of 59 people--and this
technique doesn't work at all if you don't have a lot of
followers.

Last week, I stumbled upon a new, better way to harness the
Net for answers: Vark.com
http://vark.com/
You send your question to Aardvark (the full name of the
service) using a chat program like Google Talk/Gmail Chat,
AIM, MSN or Yahoo Messenger (an iPhone app is coming soon),
where you've added Aardvark as a buddy. You can also send a
question by e-mail to aardv...@vark.com or on Twitter. At
the moment, you have to have a Facebook account before you
can get started; that's how Aardvark gets its initial idea
of your social network.

The service makes no attempt to blanket the Internet with
your question. In fact, it forwards your question only to
people who have specifically declared themselves to have
expertise on your subject--and, furthermore, only people
who are already in your online social circle. If there's
nobody with expertise among that group, Aardvark extends
its search to friends *of* your friends, and so on. Trust
me, it works; I've never gotten a bad answer.

How does it choose who gets your question? It factors in
"related topics in peoples' profiles, how you're connected
to people, who you trust about related topics, your history
of training Aardvark, people who share your favorites (for
taste-related questions), people in the right location (for
location-related questions), and other mysterious factors."

I've used Aardvark several times apiece for professional and
personal queries, and I've been astounded by its utility
every time. The answers are on my screen between 60 seconds
and five minutes after I've asked them: private, targeted,
and generally accurate.

When I was working on a column about U.S. cellphone ripoffs,
I asked: "In Europe, are both senders and receivers of text
messages and phone calls billed for each message?"

Ding! Paul from Fleetwood, England responded: "Depends what
you mean: country to country or domestic?"

I responded: "I was thinking domestic." His answer:
"Domestically, it is only the send who pays for both texts
and calls. This is the case in all EU countries."

I asked: "My Honda Fit got a pea-sized windshield ding from
a pebble. Since it's not in my line of vision, is this
something I need to get fixed (because it might grow or
something)?"

Ding! In two minutes, there was a reply from Andrew: "They
tend not to grow. But watch it closely, as what might
happen (worst case) is that it will slowly 'spider' out.
But usually not."

You can follow up with a respondent, which I did. I asked
him what made him qualified to answer my question. He told
me: "I've just always been a real car enthusiast since I
was a kid, and I wrote articles for a Honda owners' club
newsletter in college." Works for me!

Two minutes after that, another reply came from Ethan in New
York, NY: "You don't need to get it 'fixed,' i.e., take it
to an auto glass shop... But what you should do is head to
AutoZone or Pep-boys. They have a product (I forget the
exact name) that's a glass sealer. It will bond with the
glass around the ding, and prevent it from spreading into a
larger crack. Should be about $10-$15."

And so on.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Should you be forced to get the Swine Flu Vaccination?

[gullible fool]

Massachusetts is trying to pass a bill that may result in a $1000 a day fine if 
you refuse to get the Swine Flu vaccination.
 
This is not true. The fine is a possibility only for those who were ordered to 
be quarantined and violated that order: 
 
Any person who knowingly violates an order for isolation or quarantine shall be 
punished by imprisonment of not more than 30 days and may be subject to a civil 
fine of not more than $1,000 per day that the violation continues.  

An individual who is unable or unwilling to submit to vaccination or treatment 
shall not be required to submit to such procedures but may be isolated or 
quarantined. 
  
"Love will swallow you, eat you up completely, until there is no `you,' only 
love." 
 
- Amma  

--- On Sun, 8/23/09, Bhairitu  wrote:


From: Bhairitu 
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Should you be forced to get the Swine Flu Vaccination?
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, August 23, 2009, 12:59 PM


Massachusetts is trying to pass a bill that may result in a $1000 a day 
fine if you refuse to get the Swine Flu vaccination.  Now we already had 
a scare of Swine Flu back in the 1970s and some folks came down with 
terrible side effects including paralysis.  Most folks here are into 
natural medicine and probably don't want the vaccine.  I've never had a 
flu shot and also can't remember the last time I've got the flu.  Like 
most yogis here I notice immediately when a bug is trying to invade and 
do the usual things to boot it out of my system.  We don't know what is 
in these vaccines but they may be using things like mercury.  The 
vaccine is also untested on humans.  Do you really want this junk in 
your body?  

Hopefully this pandemic is nothing but nonsense and will never occur nor 
the mass vaccinations.  But it is estimated that at least half of the US 
will refuse the vaccination.

News report on Massachusetts bill:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_oD55WvDmM






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[FairfieldLife] Matt Taibbi Health Care Reform: Sick and Wrong

[raunchydog]

I got a copy Rolling Stone for Matt Taibbi's Sept, 3 article. Depressing. It's 
not on the web yet. Matt breaks down the five steps Congress took to be sure no 
bill would pass:
Aiming low
Gutting the public option
Packing it with loopholes
Providing no leadership 
Blowing the math

"In a series of video interviews for RollingStone.com, Taibbi explores one of 
our system's most severe flaws, explains how the government wedged itself into 
an awkwardly damning position, and looks at how the proposed bill would change 
the ordinary American's life.

Perhaps the biggest flaw in the American health care system is that 31 percent 
of costs are associated with administration and paperwork. Here Taibbi examines 
the easiest way to eliminate the red tape:"

http://snipurl.com/rl5k7
http://www.rollingstone.com/nationalaffairs/index.php/2009/08/19/matt-taibbi-on-health-care-reform-sick-and-wrong/

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Tuesday afternoon

[babajii_99]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> I remember TM'ers played that album over and over and over again.  I got 
> sick of hearing it.  It was like muzak.
(snip)
Flash-back to a party in High School, somewhere in the year, 1969...
There was just one record at the party...a 45 rpm...the one with the big hole 
in the middle...
'Dance to the Music' was the song...how could I ever forget, the embedding in 
my mind of that tune, over and over again...
It's by 'Sly and the Family Stone'...

'Good-bye Ruby Tuesday'
Who could hang a name on you...
When you change, with every new day...
Still,
I'm 
Gonna 
Miss
You...

r.g.

[FairfieldLife] mixed bags of karma

[yifuxero]

Santa Monica, circa 1980; Swami Muktananda was sitting there not far from me.  
A speaker came up to the microphone and stated how when the airplane he was in 
hit severe turbulance, he credited his chanting of "OM Namah Shivaya" with 
saving his butt.
 And then I wondered why his chanting didn't prevent the turbulance to begin 
with.
 I saw "Final Destination III in 3-D".  Virtually a plotless succession of 
bizarre deaths, with amusing 3-D effects; although I would have preferred a 
plot.  District 9 was far better.  The basic idea of a human "becoming" one of 
the aliens appears to be taken from an Outer Limits of about 30 years ago.
 Mixed bags of karma:  IF one is to experience bad karma, it's always to have 
mitigating factors/influences which mitigate suffering part.
.
1979 - I was walking down Westwood Blvd near UCLA toward a co-op-type 
restaurant run by disciples of Swami Satchitananada (the Woodstock Guru).  Just 
as I was walking into the front door I gazed up at the far wall and peered at a 
pic. of the Swami.  Then, two cops grabbed me and took me to the local Santa 
Monica police dept intake place and charged with me (...a serious felony).  
Seems I happened to "look" like a suspect they were looking for.  Spent a 
weekend in the horrendous L.A. County jail.  Case was dismissed at arraignment.
But in the meantime I "happened" to know some of the Swami's foremost disciples 
who took me to see him.  The disciples explained the situation and he 
"Shakti-ized" me with Blessing which I'm convinced help mitigate the karmic 
influence.
  Also, my Great Aunt "happened" to be a good friend of the then Governor of 
Calif - Dukmejian.  She contacted him and the Governor got ahold of those 
a-hole cops (I know...just doing their job).  One of the cops came to my apt 
and apologized for the whole affair.
 Also, before the event transpired I was chanting the Surangama Mantra a lot.  
That might have helped mitigate the karmic influence.
(it's hard to prove outright cause and effect, but various connecting karmic 
links suggest a connection).

[FairfieldLife] Re: UFO: Movie: 'The Fourth Kind'

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> MOVIE: THE FOURTH KIND
> In theaters: November 6, 2009
>
> 1n 1972, a scale of measurement was established for alien encounters.
When a
> UFO is sighted, it is called an encounter of the first kind. When
evidence
> is collected, it is known as an encounter of the second kind. When
contact
> is made with extraterrestrials, it is the third kind. The next level,
> abduction, is the fourth kind.>>

Why did they leave out The Fifth Kind ?

OffWorld



  This encounter has been the most difficult to
> document©until now. Structured unlike any film before it, The
Fourth Kind is
> a provocative thriller set in modern-day Nome, Alaska, where --
mysteriously
> since the 1960s -- a disproportionate number of the population has
been
> reported missing every year. Despite multiple FBI investigations of
the
> region, the truth has never been discovered. Here in this remote
region,
> psychologist Dr. Abigail Tyler (Milla Jovovich) began videotaping
sessions
> with traumatized patients and unwittingly discovered some of the most
> disturbing evidence of alien abduction ever documented. Using
> never-before-seen archival footage that is integrated into the film,
The
> Fourth Kind exposes the terrified revelations of multiple witnesses.
Their
> accounts of being visited by alien figures all share disturbingly
identical
> details, the validity of which is investigated throughout the film.
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> Movie Trailer:
> http://www.apple.com/trailers/universal/thefourthkind/

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[FairfieldLife] Re: UFO: Movie: 'The Fourth Kind'

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jr_esq"  wrote:
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> Zecharia Sitchin has written books stating that the Earth was visited
by ETs in the past and performed genetic engineering to make hominids
look like them.>

So how come WillyTex got left looking like a Neanderthal?

OffWorld




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> > MOVIE: THE FOURTH KIND
> > In theaters: November 6, 2009
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> > 1n 1972, a scale of measurement was established for alien
encounters. When a
> > UFO is sighted, it is called an encounter of the first kind. When
evidence
> > is collected, it is known as an encounter of the second kind. When
contact
> > is made with extraterrestrials, it is the third kind. The next
level,
> > abduction, is the fourth kind. This encounter has been the most
difficult to
> > document©until now. Structured unlike any film before it, The
Fourth Kind is
> > a provocative thriller set in modern-day Nome, Alaska, where --
mysteriously
> > since the 1960s -- a disproportionate number of the population has
been
> > reported missing every year. Despite multiple FBI investigations of
the
> > region, the truth has never been discovered. Here in this remote
region,
> > psychologist Dr. Abigail Tyler (Milla Jovovich) began videotaping
sessions
> > with traumatized patients and unwittingly discovered some of the
most
> > disturbing evidence of alien abduction ever documented. Using
> > never-before-seen archival footage that is integrated into the film,
The
> > Fourth Kind exposes the terrified revelations of multiple witnesses.
Their
> > accounts of being visited by alien figures all share disturbingly
identical
> > details, the validity of which is investigated throughout the film.
> >
> > Movie Trailer:
> > http://www.apple.com/trailers/universal/thefourthkind/
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[FairfieldLife] Breaking News HR676

[raunchydog]

The Plum LineGreg Sargent's blog
House Liberals Write Directly To Obama: No Public Option, No Support

In a letter delivered to the White House moments ago, the two leaders of the 
bloc of House progressives bluntly told President Obama that they will not 
support any health care plan without a public option in it — and demanded a 
meeting to inform him face to face.

The not-yet-released letter — the first joint statement from progressives since 
news emerged that Obama might not address the public option in next week's 
speech — is their sharpest challenge yet to the president, given the 
extraordinary sensitivity of this political moment. The letter urges him to 
mention the public option in his speech.

"Any bill that does not provide, at a minimum, a public option built on the 
Medicare provider system and with reimbursement based on Mediare rates — not 
negotiated rates — is unacceptable," reads the letter, which was sent over by a 
source. It was signed by Reps. Lynn Woolsey and Raul Grijalva, the two leaders 
of the Congressional Progressive Caucus.

"A health reform bill without a robust public option will not achieve the 
health reform this country so desperately needs," the letter continues. "We 
cannot vote for anything less."

"We look forward to meeting with you regarding a robust public option in any 
final health reform bill and request that that meeting take place as soon as 
possible," the letter says.

Last month, five dozen House liberals wrote a letter to Nancy Pelosi ruling out 
support for any bill without the public option. While today's letter doesn't 
bear all those signatures, it signals that House progressive leaders intend to 
try to maintain a united, potentially confrontational front even as the 
president prepares to make his case in a major, make-or-break address to 
Congress.

Should Obama jettison the public option, progressives will come under 
tremendous pressure to back the plan anyway. White House advisers will likely 
insist that liberals mustn't deny the president a historic victory and enable a 
defeat that could cripple the first African-American presidency.

http://snipurl.com/rl6m4
http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/president-obama/house-liberals-write-directly-to-obama-no-public-option-no-support/

[What a crock. Is the White House really going to play the race card on 
liberals just because they won't support a crappy bill without a public option? 
Have they lost their minds? A crappy bill is a crappy bill no matter the 
president's race. Obama's race has nothing to do it. Passing a crappy bill just 
because Obama is the first African-American president and we shouldn't deny him 
a historic victory would be racist on its face. RD] 

[FairfieldLife] How many circles do you see?

[authfriend]

 
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http://tywkiwdbi.blogspot.com/2009/09/count-circles-coffer-illusion.html

Re: [FairfieldLife] vark.com answer system

[It's just a ride]

On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 8:26 PM, bob_brigante wrote:
> The trouble w/yahoo answers is that many incompetent people, 12 yr old kids 
> mainly it seems, will answer and rarely have anything useful to say -- 
> vark.com is supposed to be more useful:
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> http://vark.com/
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Would you kindly ask Vark what HH The Reverend Dr. Vaj does for a
spiritual exercise besides showing us wayward FFLers the errors of our
ways?

That is the last time I'm going to let a Jewish friend of mine
convince me to get my new car blessed by a rabbi.  I paid the rabbi
$50.  He walked around the car a few times, chanting at the car.  Then
he pulled out a hacksaw and cut off a few inches of the tailpipe.

I'm not sure the car will pass inspection now.

[FairfieldLife] To think it was but months ago

[It's just a ride]

That I listened over and over again to
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l46t_nrySg4 ,
Glenn Beck's version of the Internationale offered to The Messiah,
Obama.  I voted for Obama cause I thought it was a funny thing to do.
I'm not convinced it was a funny thing to do.

Oh, and if you've forgotten, Vlad and Boris' song for Sara (Palin).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XR9V_aOCga0


Let's drink a toast to wine, my friends, so ruby, wet and clear.  It's
not as sweet as women's lips, but it's so much more sincere.

[FairfieldLife] We are always travelleing at 30 KM/Sec, Do we realise?

[Ghanesh PV]

We are travelleing at 30 KM/Sec, Do we realise?
The Earth is speeding at about 66,660 miles per hour (107278.87 km/h) in its
revolution around the Sun once ever 365.2425 days.

Travelling at such high speed, Earth is so silent with its OMMM sound! Do
you hear that buzz of Pranava?


The earth rotates on its axis once each day. Since the circumference of the
earth at the equator is 24,901.55 miles, a spot on the equator rotates at
approximately 1037.5646 miles per hour (1037.5646 times 24 equals 24,901.55)
(1669.8 km/h).
At the North Pole (90 degrees north) and South Pole (90 degrees south), the
speed is effectively zero since that spot rotates once in 24 hours, a very,
very slow speed.

To determine the speed at any other latitude, simply multiply the cosine of
the degree latitude times the speed of 1037.5646.

Thus, at 45 degrees north, the cosine is .7071068 so multiply .7071068 times
1037.5464 and the speed of the rotation is 733.65611 miles per hour (1180.7
km/h).

For other latitudes...

10° - 1021.7837 mph (1644.4 km/h)
20° - 974.9747 mph (1569.1 km/h)
30° - 898.54154 mph (1446.1 km/h)
40° - 794.80665 mph (1279.1 km/h)
50° - 666.92197 mph (1073.3 km/h)
60° - 518.7732 mph (834.9 km/h)
70° - 354.86177 mph (571.1 km/h)
80° - 180.16804 mph (289.95 km/h)

In addition to the rotational speed of the earth spinning on its axis, the
earth is also speeding at about 66,660 miles per hour (107278.87 km/h) in
its revolution around the sun once ever 365.2425 days.


And No one knows what is the speed at which Sun is revolving around the
Sheerardpthi(milky way). Per vedic texts its 25960 years for sun to complete
one revolution around Galatical center or Gardodasayee Vishnu.

And many human minds think F1 racing, super sonic flights, rockets are the
fastest thing. How ignorant and boast of ego!
I guess earth has to show us the speedometer to wake up human minds

Amazing Universe!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Matt Taibbi Health Care Reform: Sick and Wrong

[bob_brigante]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:
>
> I got a copy Rolling Stone for Matt Taibbi's Sept, 3 article. Depressing. 
> It's not on the web yet. Matt breaks down the five steps Congress took to be 
> sure no bill would pass:
> Aiming low
> Gutting the public option
> Packing it with loopholes
> Providing no leadership 
> Blowing the math
> 
> "In a series of video interviews for RollingStone.com, Taibbi explores one of 
> our system's most severe flaws, explains how the government wedged itself 
> into an awkwardly damning position, and looks at how the proposed bill would 
> change the ordinary American's life.
> 
> Perhaps the biggest flaw in the American health care system is that 31 
> percent of costs are associated with administration and paperwork. Here 
> Taibbi examines the easiest way to eliminate the red tape:"
> 
> http://snipurl.com/rl5k7
> http://www.rollingstone.com/nationalaffairs/index.php/2009/08/19/matt-taibbi-on-health-care-reform-sick-and-wrong/
>

*

It's a democracy with a lot of people who dont give a fk about others, so the 
Congress goes along with the public will of the majority -- most people have 
health insurance, so the haves are simply telling the havenots, via Congress, 
to sod off. No surprise here.

[FairfieldLife] Re: '92 year old-last survivor of Hitler's bunker'

[shempmcgurk]

There is an excellent 3-4 hour German movie that came out about 5 years ago 
called, I believe, "The Downfall" about the last week or so in the bunker.  I 
highly recommend it.  Stars the excellent Bruno Ganz as Hitler.



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