[FairfieldLife] Excuses for avoiding liberation? [was Re: Blissy vs. Happy]

[authfriend]

I see. And you believe, despite what I told you, that
Bob's sentence expresses this very well.

I'm afraid my respect for your intellect just went down
a bunch of notches.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1"  wrote:
> 
> I'll tell you exactly what I mean.  And that is people are
> prone to be hypocrites.  And that a liberal could easily be 
> inclined to impose his agenda, "by any means necessary" *
> as much as anyone else.
> 
> * Quote attributed to Malcolm X  (if I am not mistaken)
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" steve.sundur@
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Let me be more concise. I particularly liked this phrase, and I
> > > think it is often true.
> > >
> > > > > > Turn a liberal over and give them a good shake and out
> > > > > > pops a born again neo con---almost every time.
> >
> > Yeah? What do you think it means to "turn a liberal
> > over and give them a good shake"? Be specific. Give
> > an example.
> >
> > And what do you think a neocon is?
> >
> > I'm sorry, but it's meaningless, just a bunch of
> > phrases that sound good strung together but don't
> > actually refer to anything real (even if he weren't
> > using them to describe me specifically).
> >
> > There's an old saw about how a conservative is a
> > liberal who's been mugged, implying that the liberal
> > becomes a racist after having been mugged (the
> > assumption being that the mugger was black).
> >
> > I suspect Bob was trying to echo this saying while
> > giving it a different context, but while there was
> > a grain of unpleasant truth to the original, what
> > Bob ended up with was too vague to mean anything.
> > I don't think he even knows what a "neocon" is, and
> > I'll bet you don't either. Nor did Barry when he
> > claimed the neoconservatives were waging a "war
> > against science."
> >
> > From Wikipedia:
> >
> > "Neoconservatism in the United States is a branch of American
> conservatism that is most known for its advocacy of using American
> economic and military power to topple American enemies and promote
> liberal democracy in other countries. The movement emerged during the
> early 1970s among Democrats who disagreed with the party's growing
> opposition to the Vietnam War and had become skeptical of the Great
> Society's welfare programs. Although neoconservatives generally endorse
> free-market economics, they often believe cultural and moral issues to
> be more significant, and so have tended to be less thoroughgoing in
> opposition to government intervention in society than more traditionally
> conservative and libertarian members of the Republican Party.[1][2] Most
> neoconservatives support the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq."
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism
> >
> > The trend of liberals becoming neocons is long past
> > because the situations that inspired their change in
> > viewpoint are long past. Neocons today--the second
> > generation--are mostly from the GOP to start with.
> >
> > I suspect Bob remembered reading something about the
> > liberals in the '70s who became neocons and figured
> > it must apply today as well, but he was thinking of
> > today's conservatives, not neocons. Remember how he
> > led up to this:
> >
> > "Like many progressives you're progressive till someone
> > offends your sense of what is acceptable. YOU SEEM TO
> > FORGET, democracy is NOT about protecting the people we
> > agree with, it about protecting the people many of us
> > don't agree with."
> >
> > This has nothing at all to do with neoconservatism.
> > And it's all in the context of my purported censorship,
> > an idiotic notion to begin with.
> >
> > The whole paragraph is just blather. I think he'd
> > temporarily run out of things to say and was just
> > marking time, keeping his fingers going, by typing words
> > until something more pointed occurred to him.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Recent video by Peter Wallace

[maskedzebra]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra  wrote:
> 
MZ: No, this guy is solid in his mystical integrity—even as I challenge anyone 
to point out a single example where this is true in the case of any other one 
of Maharishi's living initiators.
 
Still, everything you say in response to the video can be seen to be true—but 
not at the purely intuitive level of my experience. I think my response to 
Peter Wallace and your response to Peter Wallace are both valid.
 
CDB: Absolutely.  I can dig both perspectives.  I spend so much time with my 
nose stuck in books about out cognitive gaps and "shaping" in the retelling of 
stories is a big one.  His stories have been shaped with conscious or 
unconscious enthusiasm over many retellings.
 
But I can certainly remember when tales like his would be inputted directly 
without the speedbumps of skepticism and would serve as more proof that I was 
living on the cusp of something magical. Like I said, just the Maharishi story 
alone might have made it through unscathed, it was just the cumulative effect 
that sent me over.

RESPONSE: No matter what the past is, I attempt to interpret my experience in 
the present without reference to any antecedents. My predilection here was to 
see (and feel) the evidence of someone who is trying to make TM and MMY be what 
TM and MMY used to be (in those best of times—Peter Wallace beat me to it: 
meeting Maharishi in 1963, that's pretty early, and it must have been so 
good)—but no longer can be. But despite my extreme skepticism regarding the 
capacity of *any* old initiator to produce in his performance any of the old 
grace of the Movement—no matter how long they had been around Maharishi—I was, 
in that first viewing of the video of Peter Wallace, completely won over. Not a 
false note there, in my opinion, although I think it more than an opinion. The 
guy's in touch with the highest reality of what TM and Maharishi were when the 
whole thing peaked—this is utterly astonishing to me. Besides, I got to 
vicariously re-experience what was beautiful and sublime about my TM and MMY 
past—despite my disavowal of the validity of all those past TM and MMY 
experiences. 

It proved to me that I had no alternative back then (for me, early and mid 
seventies) but to go for Maharishi and the TM experience. *And nothing since 
has come close to the beauty and power and magic of that era in my life*. TM 
was It. Maharishi was It. Watching Peter Wallace, I realize I didn't have a 
chance. So the wisdom and maturity of my present perspective, acquired from 
realizing how naive and susceptible I was then—and how problematic TM really 
is, and how complex and even corrupt Maharishi really was—did not get in the 
way of receiving the truth of Peter Wallace's experience. He is still living 
out the truth of what I have renounced—*and it is working for him*. He is in 
the spiritual space which validates TM and Maharishi, and there is no 
possibility of taking him out of this state of consciousness. And I even think 
this is right for him. He embodies a reality which although I reject the truth 
of its metaphysics (that isn't the way life really is, that isn't the way 
reality is), I can intuit that, for him, this is his destiny. And he is meant 
to take this experience and truth into even his death.

No, I reject his experience; yet I know what he is experiencing is beautiful 
and true and real (for him). There is no contradiction being lived out here. 
The same cannot be said for Bevan Morris or John Hagelin or even Tony Nader: 
those guys aren't chosen to uphold the grace of TM and Maharishi—even though 
they believe they are so chosen. Why not chosen? *Because they can't do it.* 
They are fighting life and life is fighting them. And they suffer because of 
this. Those three guys should pass through a crisis of belief so they can 
become healthy normal real human beings once again. They are just apparatchiks 
now.

No, Peter Wallace is doing what I estimated no one else (left in the Movement) 
can do. He is himself a living holy relic of TM and Maharishi. He experiences 
no doubt, no dissonance, no pretence. It is all very real, because *he has 
become it*.

 CDB: And I don't mean it as some indictment of the guy personally.  Overcoming 
a stroke is miracle enough and whatever gets him through the night and all.

RESPONSE: I don't think of it at all as "whatever gets him through the night 
and all." Stroke or no stroke, Peter Wallace, is living out the truth of his 
experience. And not through any kind of compensation—else I would have felt the 
connection between his spiritual orientation and that trauma and brokenness he 
has passed through because of his stroke. 

CDB: But I think you may be a bit hard on the many initiator old timers who are 
still just as sincere and every bit as guileless as you imagined him to be.  I 
believe there are a whole bunch of them

[FairfieldLife] Re: #5# New life With Jesus!

[Buck]

>
> 
> 
> 
> >
> > >
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ex-IMF chief Dominique Strauss-Kahn tells French TV his liaison 
> > > > > > with a New York hotel maid had been a "moral failing" that had 
> > > > > > deprived him of the chance to run for president.
> > > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > "What happened was more than an inappropriate relationship. It was an 
> > > > > error," he said, adding that he regretted it infinitely.
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > "I think it was a moral failing and I am not proud of it," 
> > > > >
> > > 
> > > Mr Strauss-Kahn said what he did was "not only inappropriate, but more 
> > > than that, it was a fault … with regard to my wife, my friends, but also 
> > > the French who placed their hopes in me for change.
> > >
> > 
> > Oh, didn't something very like this happen in the TM-movement?  I think 
> > there was a book written about throwing it *all* away for some love of sex.
> > 
> >  
> > > 
> > > 
> > >
> 
> A New Testament: 
> Redeemed.
> Has anyone who 'was there' written a testament yet that Maharishi's sins with 
> the women were just trial of moral temptations, that he surmounted?He 
> seems to have thrown it all away, could Bevan as a close disciple tell us 
> that Maharishi was reconciled about this in the end?  What was he thinking?
>

In the end, was he sorry at all for the double-crossing of followers about the 
women or was that always just business for him.  He was fond of commanding 
others, "mind your own business".  Did he talk about forgiveness with his 
people in the end?  Or was it just about invincibility towers and trusts up to 
the end?  Any new testament?  

> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paulo Barbosa"  
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Think About this: new life with Jesus!
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > "Jesus answered and said unto him,  Verily,  verily,  I  say
> > > > > > > unto thee, Except a man be born again,  he  cannot  see  the
> > > > > > > kingdom of God" (John 3:3).
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > new life... really new... now with Jesus in  the  heart!  Do
> > > > > > > you want?
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Paulo Barbosa
> > > > > > > tprobert@
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: #5# New life With Jesus!

[Buck]

>
> >
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > >
> > > > > Ex-IMF chief Dominique Strauss-Kahn tells French TV his liaison with 
> > > > > a New York hotel maid had been a "moral failing" that had deprived 
> > > > > him of the chance to run for president.
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > "What happened was more than an inappropriate relationship. It was an 
> > > > error," he said, adding that he regretted it infinitely.
> > > >
> > > 
> > > "I think it was a moral failing and I am not proud of it," 
> > > >
> > 
> > Mr Strauss-Kahn said what he did was "not only inappropriate, but more than 
> > that, it was a fault … with regard to my wife, my friends, but also the 
> > French who placed their hopes in me for change.
> >
> 
> Oh, didn't something very like this happen in the TM-movement?  I think there 
> was a book written about throwing it *all* away for some love of sex.
> 
>  
> > 
> > 
> >

A New Testament: 
Redeemed.
Has anyone who 'was there' written a testament yet that Maharishi's sins with 
the women were just trial of moral temptations, that he surmounted?He seems 
to have thrown it all away, could Bevan as a close disciple tell us that 
Maharishi was reconciled about this in the end?  What was he thinking?
   
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paulo Barbosa"  
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Think About this: new life with Jesus!
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > "Jesus answered and said unto him,  Verily,  verily,  I  say
> > > > > > unto thee, Except a man be born again,  he  cannot  see  the
> > > > > > kingdom of God" (John 3:3).
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > new life... really new... now with Jesus in  the  heart!  Do
> > > > > > you want?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Paulo Barbosa
> > > > > > tprobert@
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Excuses for avoiding liberation? [was Re: Blissy vs. Happy]

[seventhray1]

I'll tell you exactly what I mean.  And that is people are prone to be
hypocrites.  And that a liberal could easily be inclined to impose his
agenda, "by any means necessary" * as much as anyone else.

* Quote attributed to Malcolm X  (if I am not mistaken)


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" steve.sundur@
wrote:
> >
> > Let me be more concise. I particularly liked this phrase, and I
> > think it is often true.
> >
> > > > > Turn a liberal over and give them a good shake and out
> > > > > pops a born again neo con---almost every time.
>
> Yeah? What do you think it means to "turn a liberal
> over and give them a good shake"? Be specific. Give
> an example.
>
> And what do you think a neocon is?
>
> I'm sorry, but it's meaningless, just a bunch of
> phrases that sound good strung together but don't
> actually refer to anything real (even if he weren't
> using them to describe me specifically).
>
> There's an old saw about how a conservative is a
> liberal who's been mugged, implying that the liberal
> becomes a racist after having been mugged (the
> assumption being that the mugger was black).
>
> I suspect Bob was trying to echo this saying while
> giving it a different context, but while there was
> a grain of unpleasant truth to the original, what
> Bob ended up with was too vague to mean anything.
> I don't think he even knows what a "neocon" is, and
> I'll bet you don't either. Nor did Barry when he
> claimed the neoconservatives were waging a "war
> against science."
>
> From Wikipedia:
>
> "Neoconservatism in the United States is a branch of American
conservatism that is most known for its advocacy of using American
economic and military power to topple American enemies and promote
liberal democracy in other countries. The movement emerged during the
early 1970s among Democrats who disagreed with the party's growing
opposition to the Vietnam War and had become skeptical of the Great
Society's welfare programs. Although neoconservatives generally endorse
free-market economics, they often believe cultural and moral issues to
be more significant, and so have tended to be less thoroughgoing in
opposition to government intervention in society than more traditionally
conservative and libertarian members of the Republican Party.[1][2] Most
neoconservatives support the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq."
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism
>
> The trend of liberals becoming neocons is long past
> because the situations that inspired their change in
> viewpoint are long past. Neocons today--the second
> generation--are mostly from the GOP to start with.
>
> I suspect Bob remembered reading something about the
> liberals in the '70s who became neocons and figured
> it must apply today as well, but he was thinking of
> today's conservatives, not neocons. Remember how he
> led up to this:
>
> "Like many progressives you're progressive till someone
> offends your sense of what is acceptable. YOU SEEM TO
> FORGET, democracy is NOT about protecting the people we
> agree with, it about protecting the people many of us
> don't agree with."
>
> This has nothing at all to do with neoconservatism.
> And it's all in the context of my purported censorship,
> an idiotic notion to begin with.
>
> The whole paragraph is just blather. I think he'd
> temporarily run out of things to say and was just
> marking time, keeping his fingers going, by typing words
> until something more pointed occurred to him.
>

[FairfieldLife] Excuses for avoiding liberation? [was Re: Blissy vs. Happy]

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1"  wrote:
> 
> Let me be more concise.  I particularly liked this phrase, and I
> think it is often true.
> 
> > > > Turn a liberal over and give them a good shake and out
> > > > pops a born again neo con---almost every time.

Yeah? What do you think it means to "turn a liberal
over and give them a good shake"? Be specific. Give
an example.

And what do you think a neocon is?

I'm sorry, but it's meaningless, just a bunch of 
phrases that sound good strung together but don't
actually refer to anything real (even if he weren't
using them to describe me specifically).

There's an old saw about how a conservative is a
liberal who's been mugged, implying that the liberal
becomes a racist after having been mugged (the
assumption being that the mugger was black).

I suspect Bob was trying to echo this saying while
giving it a different context, but while there was
a grain of unpleasant truth to the original, what
Bob ended up with was too vague to mean anything.
I don't think he even knows what a "neocon" is, and
I'll bet you don't either. Nor did Barry when he
claimed the neoconservatives were waging a "war
against science."

>From Wikipedia:

"Neoconservatism in the United States is a branch of American conservatism that 
is most known for its advocacy of using American economic and military power to 
topple American enemies and promote liberal democracy in other countries. The 
movement emerged during the early 1970s among Democrats who disagreed with the 
party's growing opposition to the Vietnam War and had become skeptical of the 
Great Society's welfare programs. Although neoconservatives generally endorse 
free-market economics, they often believe cultural and moral issues to be more 
significant, and so have tended to be less thoroughgoing in opposition to 
government intervention in society than more traditionally conservative and 
libertarian members of the Republican Party.[1][2] Most neoconservatives 
support the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism

The trend of liberals becoming neocons is long past
because the situations that inspired their change in
viewpoint are long past. Neocons today--the second
generation--are mostly from the GOP to start with.

I suspect Bob remembered reading something about the
liberals in the '70s who became neocons and figured
it must apply today as well, but he was thinking of
today's conservatives, not neocons. Remember how he 
led up to this:

"Like many progressives you're progressive till someone
offends your sense of what is acceptable. YOU SEEM TO
FORGET, democracy is NOT about protecting the people we
agree with, it about protecting the people many of us
don't agree with."

This has nothing at all to do with neoconservatism.
And it's all in the context of my purported censorship,
an idiotic notion to begin with.

The whole paragraph is just blather. I think he'd
temporarily run out of things to say and was just
marking time, keeping his fingers going, by typing words
until something more pointed occurred to him.

[FairfieldLife] Another pair of sandals for sale (was Re: Merudanda/Sandals)

[obbajeeba]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:
> >
> > Shoes, (in your case, Sandals)have been part of some beautiful
> > stories in our time: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooM-RGUTe2E 
> > and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DscAVHLPL10
>  
> And, of course...
> 
> http://youtu.be/wCF3ywukQYA
>

and  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0ASaYAA7oo

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Recent video by Peter Wallace

[Vaj]

On Sep 18, 2011, at 8:53 PM, Bhairitu wrote:

> Yoga ain't a religion. 


No, it's more like a way to remodel your own nervous system.

Makes me feel sorry for those still trapped in a nervous system of others 
making. It's your nervous system!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Recent video by Peter Wallace

[seventhray1]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
But ya
> know some folks still believe in Superman.


Well, I believe in Superwoman, and right now she's sitting in the next
room.  I see her sitting her favorite chair.

[FairfieldLife] Excuses for avoiding liberation? [was Re: Blissy vs. Happy]

[seventhray1]

Let me be more concise.  I particularly liked this phrase, and I think
it is often true.

  Turn a
> > > liberal over and give them a good shake and out pops a born
> > > again neo con---almost every time.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Recent video by Peter Wallace

[wgm4u]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> On 09/18/2011 04:24 PM, Vaj wrote:
> > On Sep 18, 2011, at 4:43 PM, Bhairitu wrote:
> >
> >> Baghavan Das once said that he thought it was easier to do sadhana in
> >> the US than in India.
> >
> > It's always great to have a support system present for what you're doing, 
> > whatever it is. Americans in general aren't that supportive of Pagan 
> > religions.
> >
> 
> Yoga ain't a religion.  

How about a Religious Science? or a Science of Religion? The word Religion 
covers a broad range of institutions, formal and informal. 

The word (from Latin) itself merely means that which binds one back to God or 
ones source according to MMY (SOBAL), surely TM would fit that description.

I think it would be more appropriate to call TM a Religious Science or if you 
wish to sterilize it, "the Science of Creative Intelligence" which is just 
another name for God.

[FairfieldLife] Another pair of sandals for sale (was Re: Merudanda/Sandals)

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:

> The incident has inspired many imitators and introduced a
> new word to the language, the verb "to shoe."

Actually it isn't new; we already have such a verb 
referring to a blacksmith putting horseshoes on a
horse. But it's now also used to refer to throwing
shoes at Important People as a sign of digust.
Wikipedia has a separate article on this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoeing

Re: [FairfieldLife] Another pair of sandals for sale (was Re: Merudanda/Sandals)

[Sal Sunshine]

On Sep 18, 2011, at 7:33 PM, whynotnow7 wrote:

> Does anyone know if this guy is selling *his* shoes?

LOL…now those are what I would call relics,
of another era.  Thank goodness.

Sal 









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[FairfieldLife] Another pair of sandals for sale (was Re: Merudanda/Sandals)

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
>
> Does anyone know if this guy is selling *his* shoes?
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWt3-kPBQ4A

Ohh, that was *so* satisfying.

>From Wikipedia:

"A Saudi businessman offered US$10 million to buy the shoes thrown by 
al-Zaidi.[96] There were also calls from throughout the Middle East to place 
the shoes in an Iraqi museum.[4][97]On December 18, 2008 [over a year after 
he threw them], Iraqi and American security agents looking for explosives 
examined and then destroyed the shoes.[5]"

At his trial, al-Zaidi said:

"While [Bush] was talking I was looking at all his achievements in my mind. 
More than a million killed, the destruction and humiliation of mosques, 
violations against Iraqi women, attacking Iraqis every day and every hour. A 
whole people are saddened because of his policy, and he was talking with a 
smile on his face - and he was joking with the prime minister and saying he was 
going to have dinner with him after the press conference. Believe me, I didn't 
see anything around me except Bush. I was blind to anything else. I felt the 
blood of the innocent people bleeding from beneath his feet and he was smiling 
in that way. And then he was going to have a dinner, after he destroyed one 
million martyrs, after he destroyed the country. So I reacted to this feeling 
by throwing my shoes. I couldn't stop the reaction inside me. It was 
spontaneous."

He was sentenced to three years in prison but was released
after nine months. He still has physical problems from
having been tortured by Iraqi police after he was arrested.
He now works for a Lebanese TV channel.

"In September 2009, London-based artist Pawel Waniewski created `Proud Shoes' 
in tribute to Muntazer al-Zaidi's `shoe flying' incident. Waniewski's tribute 
to Mr al-Zaidi's was a 21kg bronze piece of art depicting the thrown shoes, 
completely gilded in 24 carat gold."

The incident has inspired many imitators and introduced a
new word to the language, the verb "to shoe."

"...On the Late Show with David Letterman, the 'Great Moments in Presidential 
Speeches' segment included flying shoes aimed at other presidents (via 
digitally-altered stock footage)."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muntadhar_al-Zaidi

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Recent video by Peter Wallace

[Bhairitu]

On 09/18/2011 04:24 PM, Vaj wrote:
> On Sep 18, 2011, at 4:43 PM, Bhairitu wrote:
>
>> Baghavan Das once said that he thought it was easier to do sadhana in
>> the US than in India.
>
> It's always great to have a support system present for what you're doing, 
> whatever it is. Americans in general aren't that supportive of Pagan 
> religions.
>

Yoga ain't a religion.  And I think the lot of us could give a rats ass 
what the general public thinks.  I think Baghavan Das (the kid yogi from 
"Be Here Now") was thinking about supporting ones self with an 
occupation (in his case he sold luxury cars in Marin for a while) rather 
than begging in India.  And he also was politically aware enough to get 
himself a "quit India" notice. :-D





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[FairfieldLife] Another pair of sandals for sale (was Re: Merudanda/Sandals)

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:
>
> Shoes, (in your case, Sandals)have been part of some beautiful
> stories in our time: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooM-RGUTe2E 
> and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DscAVHLPL10
 
And, of course...

http://youtu.be/wCF3ywukQYA

[FairfieldLife] Another pair of sandals for sale (was Re: Merudanda/Sandals)

[whynotnow7]

Does anyone know if this guy is selling *his* shoes?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWt3-kPBQ4A

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau  wrote:
>
> Yes, this definitely goes beyond rationality.  I haven't been counting, but 
> almost nothing she has said in this regard has been remotely rational.  If we 
> looked at your suggestion from the rational standpoint, I don't think it's 
> stretching it to say that 4 years of total service at no pay (I leave out the 
> courses) + around 100K spent for it could honestly be traded for what I might 
> get for the sandals now.  I, at least, wouldn't call that nothing.
> But rationality aside, I think this isn't quite it, either.
> I think it's more something like this:
> She perceives me as an absolute total wimp and she can't bear it--something 
> along those lines.
> That's what I was asking her to nail, whatever it really may be.
> She does mention craving attention, and there is some truth to that.  I've 
> been quite isolated for quite a long time now and some interaction/attention 
> is kind of nice.  Also, my nearly decimated but still thrashing ego probably 
> gets a little juice from even having the sandals, and the false recognition 
> that might bring, an additional part that could help drive her up the wall 
> and cause her to want to attack them.
> But I'm pretty positive that really isn't it for her, either.
> I guess I can reveal now that I was hoping my little ironic piece would 
> somehow miraculously reach her in one way or another, but, as previously 
> surmised, I was over-reaching there, too.
> I guess we'll just have to leave her with it.
> Bless you, Sal,
> m
> 
> On Sep 18, 2011, at 3:09 PM, authfriend wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau  wrote:
> > >
> > > So, Sal,
> > > It looks like we're getting closer.
> > > Can you nail precisely what it is about me that really
> > > gets you the most? Because nothing you've said so far
> > > is really getting it.
> > 
> > Obviously she feels no need to explain herself to you,
> > or even to address you directly.
> > 
> > I think I had it right the other day. Her animosity
> > toward you is based on resentment that someone is
> > getting what she perceives to be something for
> > nothing.
> > 
> > Some part of her subconscious mind recognizes that
> > resentment as irrational, so she has to come up with
> > ways to portray you as a Bad Person in order to
> > justify it.
> > 
> > To do that, she has to make up her own reality. It
> > doesn't correspond with the reality of your presence
> > here,(*) but at least it makes some sense on its own
> > terms.
> > 
> > It isn't as if she'd never done this before here; she
> > has, many times. It appears to be the way she deals
> > with life, as that manifests itself on FFL, at any
> > rate.
> > 
> > *Just as a concrete example, she asks: "Mark has been
> > posting here now for how many months"? Answer: One
> > single month. Then a month's absence, and now another
> > four days.
> > 
> > > 
> > > On Sep 18, 2011, at 11:12 AM, Sal Sunshine wrote:
> > > 
> > > > On Sep 17, 2011, at 8:16 PM, seventhray1 wrote:
> > > > 
> > > >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine  
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> On Sep 16, 2011, at 5:03 PM, whynotnow7 wrote:
> > > >>> 
> > >  I don't know anything beyond what Mark has shared publicly. I was 
> > >  commenting on how we really don't know anything about the potential 
> > >  buyers of Mark's sandals, or what he will settle for. I hope he 
> > >  makes a bundle. Why not?
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> So you hope someone's going to get swindled?
> > > >>> Sal
> > > >>> 
> > > >> Sal, this things is really a bee in your bonnet. Would you care to 
> > > >> subject your purchases to scrutiny and judgement? You're riding this 
> > > >> one pretty hard. Must be triggering something in you. 
> > > > 
> > > > lurk, Mark has been posting here now for
> > > > how many months? And has gotten how many
> > > > suggestions for what he can do to get the 
> > > > ball rolling? (many of them very good
> > > > ones). And each and every time has
> > > > some (usually very dumb) excuse for why he
> > > > can't do the relatively simple things involved.
> > > > Now he's supposedly trying to get them into
> > > > some auction house, but…surprise! There's still
> > > > roadblocks in the way. Not of his making, of 
> > > > course. They need some letters, 
> > > > which he's finding it difficult to obtain. That
> > > > will be the next excuse offered for this particular
> > > > plan's going bust. Basically he seems, as Barry
> > > > might put it, addicted to attention. My guess 
> > > > is he has no real intention to look into selling
> > > > as long as he can continue running this number
> > > > here.
> > > > Sal 
> > 
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Another pair of sandals for sale (was Re: Merudanda/Sandals)

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau  wrote:
>
> Yes, this definitely goes beyond rationality.  I haven't been
> counting, but almost nothing she has said in this regard has
> been remotely rational.  If we looked at your suggestion from
> the rational standpoint, I don't think it's stretching it to
> say that 4 years of total service at no pay (I leave out the 
> courses) + around 100K spent for it could honestly be traded
> for what I might get for the sandals now.  I, at least,
> wouldn't call that nothing.

Well, of course not. But that's what I'm saying, she knows,
subconsciously at least, that it isn't rational, so she has
to invent a more rational basis for her animosity.

> But rationality aside, I think this isn't quite it, either.
> I think it's more something like this:
> She perceives me as an absolute total wimp and she can't
> bear it--something along those lines.

That wouldn't be a very good justification for the anger
in her posts. The most you'd expect would be contempt,
and that really has a different flavor.

> That's what I was asking her to nail, whatever it really may be.
>
> She does mention craving attention, and there is some truth
> to that.

Look, none of us would be posting here--or anywhere else,
for that matter--if we weren't looking for some attention.
We wouldn't seek social contact at all, electronically or
"live," if we weren't.

Some people are aggressive and flamboyant about seeking
attention, but sheesh, that doesn't apply to you at all.
Ironically, the people here who complain most loudly
about attention seeking by others are the most flamboyant
attention seekers themselves (naming no names). Sal's
just picked up the canard from one of them without
considering whether it makes any sense.

> I've been quite isolated for quite a long time now and some
> interaction/attention is kind of nice.  Also, my nearly
> decimated but still thrashing ego probably gets a little
> juice from even having the sandals, and the false recognition
> that might bring,

I'm not sure why it's "false" or why you shouldn't enjoy
getting a little "juice" out of having the sandals.

> an additional part that could help drive
> her up the wall and cause her to want to attack them.

One might also say she's seeking false recognition by
putting down what others are recognizing you for.

You really don't have a thing to beat yourself up about
with regard to your behavior here, so stop!

> But I'm pretty positive that really isn't it for her, either.
> I guess I can reveal now that I was hoping my little ironic piece 
> would somehow miraculously reach her in one way or another, but,
> as previously surmised, I was over-reaching there, too.

Sal doesn't do irony...


> I guess we'll just have to leave her with it.
> Bless you, Sal,
> m
> 
> On Sep 18, 2011, at 3:09 PM, authfriend wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau  wrote:
> > >
> > > So, Sal,
> > > It looks like we're getting closer.
> > > Can you nail precisely what it is about me that really
> > > gets you the most? Because nothing you've said so far
> > > is really getting it.
> > 
> > Obviously she feels no need to explain herself to you,
> > or even to address you directly.
> > 
> > I think I had it right the other day. Her animosity
> > toward you is based on resentment that someone is
> > getting what she perceives to be something for
> > nothing.
> > 
> > Some part of her subconscious mind recognizes that
> > resentment as irrational, so she has to come up with
> > ways to portray you as a Bad Person in order to
> > justify it.
> > 
> > To do that, she has to make up her own reality. It
> > doesn't correspond with the reality of your presence
> > here,(*) but at least it makes some sense on its own
> > terms.
> > 
> > It isn't as if she'd never done this before here; she
> > has, many times. It appears to be the way she deals
> > with life, as that manifests itself on FFL, at any
> > rate.
> > 
> > *Just as a concrete example, she asks: "Mark has been
> > posting here now for how many months"? Answer: One
> > single month. Then a month's absence, and now another
> > four days.
> > 
> > > 
> > > On Sep 18, 2011, at 11:12 AM, Sal Sunshine wrote:
> > > 
> > > > On Sep 17, 2011, at 8:16 PM, seventhray1 wrote:
> > > > 
> > > >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine  
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> On Sep 16, 2011, at 5:03 PM, whynotnow7 wrote:
> > > >>> 
> > >  I don't know anything beyond what Mark has shared publicly. I was 
> > >  commenting on how we really don't know anything about the potential 
> > >  buyers of Mark's sandals, or what he will settle for. I hope he 
> > >  makes a bundle. Why not?
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> So you hope someone's going to get swindled?
> > > >>> Sal
> > > >>> 
> > > >> Sal, this things is really a bee in your bonnet. Would you care to 
> > > >> subject your purchases to scrutiny and judgement? You're riding this 
> > > >> one pretty hard. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Recent video by Peter Wallace

[whynotnow7]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>
> 
> On Sep 18, 2011, at 4:43 PM, Bhairitu wrote:
> 
> > I will say that Anandamayi Ma, if indeed who MMY brought with him to our 
> > TTC, glowed like a light bulb.  It is a face I'll never forget. Some 
> > folks insist she never left India so maybe MMY smuggled her out or she 
> > traveled at the speed of thought to Europe.  The woman he brought with 
> > him looks like Ma's pictures.  My tantra teacher also visited her and 
> > said she was a very kind and humble soul.   Folks on the TTC called her 
> > "Maharishi's girlfriend." ;-)
> 
> Oh yes, I remember you telling that story before. Well many people respected 
> her, your observation just adds to that long list. However it still does not 
> subtract from the fact other sages have often reacted negatively towards 
> Mahesh. The movement take was often "oh, they're just jealous", but I think 
> it's too widespread to be written off so easily.

Yep  you hit the nail on the head, Vaj. Maharishi is a great big evil 
stinkin',  demon out for our very souls - Now, can we get some sleep 
around here?!
> 
> > 
> > Baghavan Das once said that he thought it was easier to do sadhana in 
> > the US than in India.
> 
> 
> It's always great to have a support system present for what you're doing, 
> whatever it is. Americans in general aren't that supportive of Pagan 
> religions.
>

[FairfieldLife] Another pair of sandals for sale (was Re: Merudanda/Sandals)

[obbajeeba]

Shoes, (in your case, Sandals)have been part of some beautiful stories in our 
time: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooM-RGUTe2E  and 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DscAVHLPL10

: )

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau  wrote:
>
> Yes, this definitely goes beyond rationality.  I haven't been counting, but 
> almost nothing she has said in this regard has been remotely rational.  If we 
> looked at your suggestion from the rational standpoint, I don't think it's 
> stretching it to say that 4 years of total service at no pay (I leave out the 
> courses) + around 100K spent for it could honestly be traded for what I might 
> get for the sandals now.  I, at least, wouldn't call that nothing.
> But rationality aside, I think this isn't quite it, either.
> I think it's more something like this:
> She perceives me as an absolute total wimp and she can't bear it--something 
> along those lines.
> That's what I was asking her to nail, whatever it really may be.
> She does mention craving attention, and there is some truth to that.  I've 
> been quite isolated for quite a long time now and some interaction/attention 
> is kind of nice.  Also, my nearly decimated but still thrashing ego probably 
> gets a little juice from even having the sandals, and the false recognition 
> that might bring, an additional part that could help drive her up the wall 
> and cause her to want to attack them.
> But I'm pretty positive that really isn't it for her, either.
> I guess I can reveal now that I was hoping my little ironic piece would 
> somehow miraculously reach her in one way or another, but, as previously 
> surmised, I was over-reaching there, too.
> I guess we'll just have to leave her with it.
> Bless you, Sal,
> m
> 
> On Sep 18, 2011, at 3:09 PM, authfriend wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau  wrote:
> > >
> > > So, Sal,
> > > It looks like we're getting closer.
> > > Can you nail precisely what it is about me that really
> > > gets you the most? Because nothing you've said so far
> > > is really getting it.
> > 
> > Obviously she feels no need to explain herself to you,
> > or even to address you directly.
> > 
> > I think I had it right the other day. Her animosity
> > toward you is based on resentment that someone is
> > getting what she perceives to be something for
> > nothing.
> > 
> > Some part of her subconscious mind recognizes that
> > resentment as irrational, so she has to come up with
> > ways to portray you as a Bad Person in order to
> > justify it.
> > 
> > To do that, she has to make up her own reality. It
> > doesn't correspond with the reality of your presence
> > here,(*) but at least it makes some sense on its own
> > terms.
> > 
> > It isn't as if she'd never done this before here; she
> > has, many times. It appears to be the way she deals
> > with life, as that manifests itself on FFL, at any
> > rate.
> > 
> > *Just as a concrete example, she asks: "Mark has been
> > posting here now for how many months"? Answer: One
> > single month. Then a month's absence, and now another
> > four days.
> > 
> > > 
> > > On Sep 18, 2011, at 11:12 AM, Sal Sunshine wrote:
> > > 
> > > > On Sep 17, 2011, at 8:16 PM, seventhray1 wrote:
> > > > 
> > > >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine  
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> On Sep 16, 2011, at 5:03 PM, whynotnow7 wrote:
> > > >>> 
> > >  I don't know anything beyond what Mark has shared publicly. I was 
> > >  commenting on how we really don't know anything about the potential 
> > >  buyers of Mark's sandals, or what he will settle for. I hope he 
> > >  makes a bundle. Why not?
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> So you hope someone's going to get swindled?
> > > >>> Sal
> > > >>> 
> > > >> Sal, this things is really a bee in your bonnet. Would you care to 
> > > >> subject your purchases to scrutiny and judgement? You're riding this 
> > > >> one pretty hard. Must be triggering something in you. 
> > > > 
> > > > lurk, Mark has been posting here now for
> > > > how many months? And has gotten how many
> > > > suggestions for what he can do to get the 
> > > > ball rolling? (many of them very good
> > > > ones). And each and every time has
> > > > some (usually very dumb) excuse for why he
> > > > can't do the relatively simple things involved.
> > > > Now he's supposedly trying to get them into
> > > > some auction house, but…surprise! There's still
> > > > roadblocks in the way. Not of his making, of 
> > > > course. They need some letters, 
> > > > which he's finding it difficult to obtain. That
> > > > will be the next excuse offered for this particular
> > > > plan's going bust. Basically he seems, as Barry
> > > > might put it, addicted to attention. My guess 
> > > > is he has no real intention to look into selling
> > > > as long as he can continue running this number
> > > > here.
> > > > Sal 
> > 
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: #5# New life With Jesus!

[Buck]

>
> > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > >
> > > > Ex-IMF chief Dominique Strauss-Kahn tells French TV his liaison with a 
> > > > New York hotel maid had been a "moral failing" that had deprived him of 
> > > > the chance to run for president.
> > > >
> > > 
> > > "What happened was more than an inappropriate relationship. It was an 
> > > error," he said, adding that he regretted it infinitely.
> > >
> > 
> > "I think it was a moral failing and I am not proud of it," 
> > >
> 
> Mr Strauss-Kahn said what he did was "not only inappropriate, but more than 
> that, it was a fault … with regard to my wife, my friends, but also the 
> French who placed their hopes in me for change.
>

Oh, didn't something very like this happen in the TM-movement?  I think there 
was a book written about throwing it *all* away for some love of sex.

 
> 
> 
>   
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paulo Barbosa"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Think About this: new life with Jesus!
> > > > > 
> > > > > "Jesus answered and said unto him,  Verily,  verily,  I  say
> > > > > unto thee, Except a man be born again,  he  cannot  see  the
> > > > > kingdom of God" (John 3:3).
> > > > > 
> > > > > new life... really new... now with Jesus in  the  heart!  Do
> > > > > you want?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Paulo Barbosa
> > > > > tprobert@
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

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19 Yifu 
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11 curtisdeltablues 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: #5# New life With Jesus!

[Buck]

> 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > >
> > > Ex-IMF chief Dominique Strauss-Kahn tells French TV his liaison with a 
> > > New York hotel maid had been a "moral failing" that had deprived him of 
> > > the chance to run for president.
> > >
> > 
> > "What happened was more than an inappropriate relationship. It was an 
> > error," he said, adding that he regretted it infinitely.
> >
> 
> "I think it was a moral failing and I am not proud of it," 
> >

Mr Strauss-Kahn said what he did was "not only inappropriate, but more than 
that, it was a fault … with regard to my wife, my friends, but also the French 
who placed their hopes in me for change.



  
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paulo Barbosa"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Think About this: new life with Jesus!
> > > > 
> > > > "Jesus answered and said unto him,  Verily,  verily,  I  say
> > > > unto thee, Except a man be born again,  he  cannot  see  the
> > > > kingdom of God" (John 3:3).
> > > > 
> > > > new life... really new... now with Jesus in  the  heart!  Do
> > > > you want?
> > > > 
> > > > Paulo Barbosa
> > > > tprobert@
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: #5# New life With Jesus!

[Buck]

> 
> 
> 
> >
> > Ex-IMF chief Dominique Strauss-Kahn tells French TV his liaison with a New 
> > York hotel maid had been a "moral failing" that had deprived him of the 
> > chance to run for president.
> >
> 
> "What happened was more than an inappropriate relationship. It was an error," 
> he said, adding that he regretted it infinitely.
>

"I think it was a moral failing and I am not proud of it," 
>  
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paulo Barbosa"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Think About this: new life with Jesus!
> > > 
> > > "Jesus answered and said unto him,  Verily,  verily,  I  say
> > > unto thee, Except a man be born again,  he  cannot  see  the
> > > kingdom of God" (John 3:3).
> > > 
> > > new life... really new... now with Jesus in  the  heart!  Do
> > > you want?
> > > 
> > > Paulo Barbosa
> > > tprobert@
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: #5# New life With Jesus!

[Buck]

>
> Ex-IMF chief Dominique Strauss-Kahn tells French TV his liaison with a New 
> York hotel maid had been a "moral failing" that had deprived him of the 
> chance to run for president.
>

"What happened was more than an inappropriate relationship. It was an error," 
he said, adding that he regretted it infinitely.

 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paulo Barbosa"  wrote:
> >
> > Think About this: new life with Jesus!
> > 
> > "Jesus answered and said unto him,  Verily,  verily,  I  say
> > unto thee, Except a man be born again,  he  cannot  see  the
> > kingdom of God" (John 3:3).
> > 
> > new life... really new... now with Jesus in  the  heart!  Do
> > you want?
> > 
> > Paulo Barbosa
> > tprobert@
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: #5# New life With Jesus!

[Buck]

Ex-IMF chief Dominique Strauss-Kahn tells French TV his liaison with a New York 
hotel maid had been a "moral failing" that had deprived him of the chance to 
run for president.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paulo Barbosa"  wrote:
>
> Think About this: new life with Jesus!
> 
> "Jesus answered and said unto him,  Verily,  verily,  I  say
> unto thee, Except a man be born again,  he  cannot  see  the
> kingdom of God" (John 3:3).
> 
> new life... really new... now with Jesus in  the  heart!  Do
> you want?
> 
> Paulo Barbosa
> tprobert@...
>

[FairfieldLife] David Wants to Fly

[Vaj]

http://www.demonoid.me/files/details/2729828/15672248/

Movies : Documentary : DVD Rip : English
Documentary about Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and the TM movement, focusing on 
Fairfield, IA and the religious nature of the group. Film has not been released 
to the public but did well at film festivals.

http://www.davidwantstofly.com/

SYNOPSIS
To meet master film director David Lynch in person and talk to him about 
filmmaking! A dream come true for young David Sieveking, who first finds 
himself sitting face-to-face with his idol in spring 2006. 

The meeting takes place on the periphery of a workshop in the USA where Lynch 
is giving a talk on the sources of creativity. Paramount among them is 
transcendental meditation (TM), a technique the cult filmmaker has reputedly 
practiced daily for over thirty years. But he had never before spoken about it 
in public. Could TM be the mystery behind Lynch’s dark, inscrutable films?

Although the location of the workshop – the Maharishi University of 
Enlightenment in Iowa – does strike David, the young filmmaker from Berlin, as 
somewhat strange, it is also mysterious and fascinating. Maharishi? Wasn’t that 
the legendary 1960s guru – guiding light of the hippie movement, savior of the 
western world and personal spiritual tutor of the Beatles? An entirely new 
chapter in the life of David Sieveking has begun. Fairfield, Iowa is a new 
world where everything seems possible – even flying, without the aid of any 
machinery! 

Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, founder of Transcendental Meditation, promised 
creativity, health, professional success, world peace and no less than “heaven 
on earth”. David Sieveking decides to take the personal advice of the great 
David Lynch and begins to practice TM himself. Even master film directors start 
as novices, after all. And the best thing about it: TM is easy to do. Not 
cheap, but easy!

Funded by donations Maharishi and his followers built up an unparalleled global 
enterprise with the global headquarters in the Netherlands; a world peace 
center in India; a clandestine “TM world government” in the Swiss Alps; over 20 
“Invincible Universities” have been founded and there are obscure gated camps 
dedicated to “yogic flying”. For the second time, David Sieveking discovers a 
whole new world. 

The more research the young filmmaker does, the more discrepancies surface. 
Suddenly TM apostates start contacting him, former high-ups in the organization 
who claime to have been ruined by the Maharishi – financially as well as 
psychologically. Should he believe them? Is TM just a cynical money machine 
after all, as critics maintain, or a guru sect gone haywire?

Throughout the odyssee that follows David Sieveking never loses the sly sense 
of humor that gives this surprising film its strength, elegance and ambiguous 
charm.
Peers: 17 seeders, 0 leechers, 17 total

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Recent video by Peter Wallace

[Vaj]

On Sep 18, 2011, at 4:43 PM, Bhairitu wrote:

> I will say that Anandamayi Ma, if indeed who MMY brought with him to our 
> TTC, glowed like a light bulb.  It is a face I'll never forget. Some 
> folks insist she never left India so maybe MMY smuggled her out or she 
> traveled at the speed of thought to Europe.  The woman he brought with 
> him looks like Ma's pictures.  My tantra teacher also visited her and 
> said she was a very kind and humble soul.   Folks on the TTC called her 
> "Maharishi's girlfriend." ;-)

Oh yes, I remember you telling that story before. Well many people respected 
her, your observation just adds to that long list. However it still does not 
subtract from the fact other sages have often reacted negatively towards 
Mahesh. The movement take was often "oh, they're just jealous", but I think 
it's too widespread to be written off so easily.

> 
> Baghavan Das once said that he thought it was easier to do sadhana in 
> the US than in India.


It's always great to have a support system present for what you're doing, 
whatever it is. Americans in general aren't that supportive of Pagan religions.



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Another pair of sandals for sale (was Re: Merudanda/Sandals)

[Mark Landau]

Yes, this definitely goes beyond rationality.  I haven't been counting, but 
almost nothing she has said in this regard has been remotely rational.  If we 
looked at your suggestion from the rational standpoint, I don't think it's 
stretching it to say that 4 years of total service at no pay (I leave out the 
courses) + around 100K spent for it could honestly be traded for what I might 
get for the sandals now.  I, at least, wouldn't call that nothing.
But rationality aside, I think this isn't quite it, either.
I think it's more something like this:
She perceives me as an absolute total wimp and she can't bear it--something 
along those lines.
That's what I was asking her to nail, whatever it really may be.
She does mention craving attention, and there is some truth to that.  I've been 
quite isolated for quite a long time now and some interaction/attention is kind 
of nice.  Also, my nearly decimated but still thrashing ego probably gets a 
little juice from even having the sandals, and the false recognition that might 
bring, an additional part that could help drive her up the wall and cause her 
to want to attack them.
But I'm pretty positive that really isn't it for her, either.
I guess I can reveal now that I was hoping my little ironic piece would somehow 
miraculously reach her in one way or another, but, as previously surmised, I 
was over-reaching there, too.
I guess we'll just have to leave her with it.
Bless you, Sal,
m

On Sep 18, 2011, at 3:09 PM, authfriend wrote:

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau  wrote:
> >
> > So, Sal,
> > It looks like we're getting closer.
> > Can you nail precisely what it is about me that really
> > gets you the most? Because nothing you've said so far
> > is really getting it.
> 
> Obviously she feels no need to explain herself to you,
> or even to address you directly.
> 
> I think I had it right the other day. Her animosity
> toward you is based on resentment that someone is
> getting what she perceives to be something for
> nothing.
> 
> Some part of her subconscious mind recognizes that
> resentment as irrational, so she has to come up with
> ways to portray you as a Bad Person in order to
> justify it.
> 
> To do that, she has to make up her own reality. It
> doesn't correspond with the reality of your presence
> here,(*) but at least it makes some sense on its own
> terms.
> 
> It isn't as if she'd never done this before here; she
> has, many times. It appears to be the way she deals
> with life, as that manifests itself on FFL, at any
> rate.
> 
> *Just as a concrete example, she asks: "Mark has been
> posting here now for how many months"? Answer: One
> single month. Then a month's absence, and now another
> four days.
> 
> > 
> > On Sep 18, 2011, at 11:12 AM, Sal Sunshine wrote:
> > 
> > > On Sep 17, 2011, at 8:16 PM, seventhray1 wrote:
> > > 
> > >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine  wrote:
> > >>> 
> > >>> On Sep 16, 2011, at 5:03 PM, whynotnow7 wrote:
> > >>> 
> >  I don't know anything beyond what Mark has shared publicly. I was 
> >  commenting on how we really don't know anything about the potential 
> >  buyers of Mark's sandals, or what he will settle for. I hope he makes 
> >  a bundle. Why not?
> > >>> 
> > >>> So you hope someone's going to get swindled?
> > >>> Sal
> > >>> 
> > >> Sal, this things is really a bee in your bonnet. Would you care to 
> > >> subject your purchases to scrutiny and judgement? You're riding this one 
> > >> pretty hard. Must be triggering something in you. 
> > > 
> > > lurk, Mark has been posting here now for
> > > how many months? And has gotten how many
> > > suggestions for what he can do to get the 
> > > ball rolling? (many of them very good
> > > ones). And each and every time has
> > > some (usually very dumb) excuse for why he
> > > can't do the relatively simple things involved.
> > > Now he's supposedly trying to get them into
> > > some auction house, but…surprise! There's still
> > > roadblocks in the way. Not of his making, of 
> > > course. They need some letters, 
> > > which he's finding it difficult to obtain. That
> > > will be the next excuse offered for this particular
> > > plan's going bust. Basically he seems, as Barry
> > > might put it, addicted to attention. My guess 
> > > is he has no real intention to look into selling
> > > as long as he can continue running this number
> > > here.
> > > Sal 
> 
> 

[FairfieldLife] Another pair of sandals for sale (was Re: Merudanda/Sandals)

[whynotnow7]

I have found myself sometimes making up a story to fit a mood. Hey, another 
type of "mood making"! And just when we thought it was safe to get back in the 
water... :-)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau  wrote:
> >
> > So, Sal,
> > It looks like we're getting closer.
> > Can you nail precisely what it is about me that really
> > gets you the most? Because nothing you've said so far
> > is really getting it.
> 
> Obviously she feels no need to explain herself to you,
> or even to address you directly.
> 
> I think I had it right the other day. Her animosity
> toward you is based on resentment that someone is
> getting what she perceives to be something for
> nothing.
> 
> Some part of her subconscious mind recognizes that
> resentment as irrational, so she has to come up with
> ways to portray you as a Bad Person in order to
> justify it.
> 
> To do that, she has to make up her own reality. It
> doesn't correspond with the reality of your presence
> here,(*) but at least it makes some sense on its own
> terms.
> 
> It isn't as if she'd never done this before here; she
> has, many times. It appears to be the way she deals
> with life, as that manifests itself on FFL, at any
> rate.
> 
> *Just as a concrete example, she asks: "Mark has been
> posting here now for how many months"? Answer: One
> single month. Then a month's absence, and now another
> four days.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> > On Sep 18, 2011, at 11:12 AM, Sal Sunshine wrote:
> > 
> > > On Sep 17, 2011, at 8:16 PM, seventhray1 wrote:
> > > 
> > >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine  wrote:
> > >>> 
> > >>> On Sep 16, 2011, at 5:03 PM, whynotnow7 wrote:
> > >>> 
> >  I don't know anything beyond what Mark has shared publicly. I was 
> >  commenting on how we really don't know anything about the potential 
> >  buyers of Mark's sandals, or what he will settle for. I hope he makes 
> >  a bundle. Why not?
> > >>> 
> > >>> So you hope someone's going to get swindled?
> > >>> Sal
> > >>> 
> > >> Sal, this things is really a bee in your bonnet.  Would you care to 
> > >> subject your purchases to scrutiny and judgement?  You're riding this 
> > >> one pretty hard. Must be triggering something in you.  
> > > 
> > > lurk, Mark has been posting here now for
> > > how many months?  And has gotten how many
> > > suggestions for what he can do to get the 
> > > ball rolling? (many of them very good
> > > ones). And each and every time has
> > > some (usually very dumb) excuse for why he
> > > can't do the relatively simple things involved.
> > > Now he's supposedly trying to get them into
> > > some auction house, but…surprise!  There's still
> > > roadblocks in the way.  Not of his making, of 
> > > course.  They need some letters,  
> > > which he's finding it difficult to obtain.  That
> > > will be the next excuse offered for this particular
> > > plan's going bust.  Basically he seems, as Barry
> > > might put it, addicted to attention.  My guess 
> > > is he has no real intention to look into selling
> > > as long as he can continue running this number
> > > here.
> > > Sal
>

[FairfieldLife] Excuses for avoiding liberation? [was Re: Blissy vs. Happy]

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff"  wrote:
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1"  wrote:
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price  wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Like many progressives you're progressive till someone
> > > > offends your sense of what is acceptable.  YOU SEEM TO 
> > > > FORGET, democracy is NOT about protecting the people we
> > > > agree with, it about protecting the people many of us
> > > > don't agree with. Turn a liberal over and give them a
> > > > good shake and out pops a born again neo con---almost
> > > > every time.
> > > 
> > > Nicely put.  I am not sure if I agree totally, but a
> > > nicely put phrase.
> > 
> > It's a lot easier to put phrases nicely when one isn't
> > concerned about whether they actually apply in context.
> > (The "you" in the quote refers to moi.)
> >
> * * Bob, I have enjoyed your humor and presence here on FFL
> as much (I dare say) as anyone, but I have to admit I really
> don't comprehend your POV here. Judy is certainly censorious
> on occasion -- you'll get no argument from me there, or from
> Judy, evidently -- and unarguably is gleefully corrective,
> but she is clearly no censor. Au contraire, to me she appears
> to be one of the most -- if not outright the most -- 
> scrupulously fair contributors to this fair field: gifted
> with a crystal-clear intellect, a passion for the truth, and
> an openness to Life's Mystery -- a near-perfect trifecta, in
> my book.

 Thanks, Rory.

I find this whole attack by Bob quite baffling. It's so
absurd and pointless, it's hard to even guess at the
motivation behind it--unless it's just for the fun of
baffling me.

[FairfieldLife] Another pair of sandals for sale (was Re: Merudanda/Sandals)

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau  wrote:
>
> So, Sal,
> It looks like we're getting closer.
> Can you nail precisely what it is about me that really
> gets you the most? Because nothing you've said so far
> is really getting it.

Obviously she feels no need to explain herself to you,
or even to address you directly.

I think I had it right the other day. Her animosity
toward you is based on resentment that someone is
getting what she perceives to be something for
nothing.

Some part of her subconscious mind recognizes that
resentment as irrational, so she has to come up with
ways to portray you as a Bad Person in order to
justify it.

To do that, she has to make up her own reality. It
doesn't correspond with the reality of your presence
here,(*) but at least it makes some sense on its own
terms.

It isn't as if she'd never done this before here; she
has, many times. It appears to be the way she deals
with life, as that manifests itself on FFL, at any
rate.

*Just as a concrete example, she asks: "Mark has been
posting here now for how many months"? Answer: One
single month. Then a month's absence, and now another
four days.




> 
> On Sep 18, 2011, at 11:12 AM, Sal Sunshine wrote:
> 
> > On Sep 17, 2011, at 8:16 PM, seventhray1 wrote:
> > 
> >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> On Sep 16, 2011, at 5:03 PM, whynotnow7 wrote:
> >>> 
>  I don't know anything beyond what Mark has shared publicly. I was 
>  commenting on how we really don't know anything about the potential 
>  buyers of Mark's sandals, or what he will settle for. I hope he makes a 
>  bundle. Why not?
> >>> 
> >>> So you hope someone's going to get swindled?
> >>> Sal
> >>> 
> >> Sal, this things is really a bee in your bonnet.  Would you care to 
> >> subject your purchases to scrutiny and judgement?  You're riding this one 
> >> pretty hard. Must be triggering something in you.  
> > 
> > lurk, Mark has been posting here now for
> > how many months?  And has gotten how many
> > suggestions for what he can do to get the 
> > ball rolling? (many of them very good
> > ones). And each and every time has
> > some (usually very dumb) excuse for why he
> > can't do the relatively simple things involved.
> > Now he's supposedly trying to get them into
> > some auction house, but…surprise!  There's still
> > roadblocks in the way.  Not of his making, of 
> > course.  They need some letters,  
> > which he's finding it difficult to obtain.  That
> > will be the next excuse offered for this particular
> > plan's going bust.  Basically he seems, as Barry
> > might put it, addicted to attention.  My guess 
> > is he has no real intention to look into selling
> > as long as he can continue running this number
> > here.
> > Sal 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Recent video by Peter Wallace

[Bhairitu]

On 09/18/2011 01:21 PM, Vaj wrote:
> On Sep 18, 2011, at 12:53 PM, Bhairitu wrote:
>
>> Just looking at the posts on FFL I see it is the "same ol' same ol'" IOW
>> people stuck in the past with little interest in the present or future.
>> I downloaded the video and got a little sick of the naive descriptions
>> and TM buzzwords. Many of the "saints" probably have about the same
>> level of experience of some of the members here. After all we're mainly
>> a bunch of old farts who have been practicing some form of sadhana for
>> years (TM or otherwise) and "saints" are about the same thing. But ya
>> know some folks still believe in Superman.
>
> I know, I feel the same way.
>
> And I have to say Anandamayi Ma, while praised by many, seemed to have way 
> too many rather apparent signs of mental illness. That anyone could consider 
> MMY a SAINT or of any major importance after all the revelations on him that 
> have come to light in the last decade or two needs to have their head 
> examined. It's great he helped popularize meditation, but beyond that, he's 
> just another Hindu Donald Trump…with less morals.
>
> The most poignant part of his whole soliloquy was the fact all the dandi 
> sanyasis were outraged that Mahesh was teaching meditation. They knew.

I will say that Anandamayi Ma, if indeed who MMY brought with him to our 
TTC, glowed like a light bulb.  It is a face I'll never forget. Some 
folks insist she never left India so maybe MMY smuggled her out or she 
traveled at the speed of thought to Europe.  The woman he brought with 
him looks like Ma's pictures.  My tantra teacher also visited her and 
said she was a very kind and humble soul.   Folks on the TTC called her 
"Maharishi's girlfriend." ;-)

Baghavan Das once said that he thought it was easier to do sadhana in 
the US than in India.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: US protesters rally to occupy Wall Street

[Bhairitu]

On 09/18/2011 03:45 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>> They were planning to return after dinner but I guess that fizzled out.
>> The cops chased them out of the district.  However there will be more
>> demonstrations tomorrow.  The live stream had problems but it got better
>> through the afternoon.
>> http://www.livestream.com/globalrevolution
>
>
> At least this www.livestream.com has some balls !
>
> http://www.livestream.com/globalrevolution

And millionaires are whining today about Obama's plan to tax the rich 
more.  Such a whiny bunch of greedos.

http://www.rawstory.com/rawreplay/2011/09/paul-ryan-accuses-of-obama-of-class-warfare-over-millionaire-tax/

Doesn't Paul Ryan look like Alfred E Newman from MAD magazine?  A true 
idiocrat.

Here's a video of some of the protest yesterday.  Note the smarmy Wall 
Street elite on the balcony at the end of the video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rfuvDr2wJQ

Today's Doonesbury:
http://www.doonesbury.com/

It's becoming High Noon in the USA.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Recent video by Peter Wallace

[Vaj]

On Sep 18, 2011, at 12:53 PM, Bhairitu wrote:

> Just looking at the posts on FFL I see it is the "same ol' same ol'" IOW 
> people stuck in the past with little interest in the present or future. 
> I downloaded the video and got a little sick of the naive descriptions 
> and TM buzzwords. Many of the "saints" probably have about the same 
> level of experience of some of the members here. After all we're mainly 
> a bunch of old farts who have been practicing some form of sadhana for 
> years (TM or otherwise) and "saints" are about the same thing. But ya 
> know some folks still believe in Superman.


I know, I feel the same way. 

And I have to say Anandamayi Ma, while praised by many, seemed to have way too 
many rather apparent signs of mental illness. That anyone could consider MMY a 
SAINT or of any major importance after all the revelations on him that have 
come to light in the last decade or two needs to have their head examined. It's 
great he helped popularize meditation, but beyond that, he's just another Hindu 
Donald Trump…with less morals.

The most poignant part of his whole soliloquy was the fact all the dandi 
sanyasis were outraged that Mahesh was teaching meditation. They knew.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Mystery surrounds auction buyer of NC Spiritual Center

[Sal Sunshine]

On Sep 18, 2011, at 2:52 PM, Rick Archer wrote:

> Former spiritual center sold for $10.5 million at auction
> By: Monte Mitchell
> Published: September 15, 2011
>  
> BOONE -- The 381-acre former west campus of the Spiritual Center of America 
> sold in a back-and-forth auction battle Wednesday for $10.5 million, more 
> than four times the reserve price of $2.48 million.
>  
> Marvin Salt, publisher and editor of the Cambridge Christian Press, in 
> Cleveland, was the agent representing the buyer, whom he identified as Ohio 
> International Alliance Missions Trust.

Rick, is MD still slated to come to whatever
is left over here?  If so, should make for
some interesting neighborly chats. :)

Sal 

[FairfieldLife] Mystery surrounds auction buyer of NC Spiritual Center

[Rick Archer]

SCA Auction Picture Gallery: 
http://www2.journalnow.com/list/heavenly-mountain-91411/gallery/


Former spiritual center sold for $10.5 million at auction
By: Monte Mitchell
Published: September 15, 2011
 
BOONE -- The 381-acre former west campus of the Spiritual Center of America 
sold in a back-and-forth auction battle Wednesday for $10.5 million, more than 
four times the reserve price of $2.48 million.
 
Marvin Salt, publisher and editor of the Cambridge Christian Press, in 
Cleveland, was the agent representing the buyer, whom he identified as Ohio 
International Alliance Missions Trust.
 
The trust is affiliated with One In Christ Church and Norwalk Bible College.
 
"It's now owned by a trust that has a church on the title, and our college will 
be here within the year," Salt said as he hurried off to sign documents with 
Chartwell Auctions, the Cleveland-based auction company that conducted the sale.
 
But there's still a bit of mystery as to who the winning bidder is.
 
The websites for both Cambridge Christian Press — 
www.cambridgechristianpress.com   — 
and Ohio International Alliance Mission Trust — www.ohiam.info 
  — are incomplete and apparently still being 
developed. A voicemail left at the offices of Ohio International Alliance 
Missions Trust was not returned Wednesday. Norwalk Bible College has a Facebook 
page with six "likes" and no apparent website.
 
The bidder spells his name as Marvin Salt on his business cards, but websites 
list a Dr. Marvin Sault as executive director of Ohio International Alliance 
Mission Trust. No one answered calls to the number on his business card.
 
Salt came out of a downtown Boone bank Wednesday afternoon with a thick stack 
of documents and answered a few questions as he got into his SUV.
 
The One in Christ Church is a mainstream Christian denomination, he said, like 
Methodists or the Salvation Army.
 
The Ohio International Alliance Mission Trust's core are "born-again Christians 
who are veterans," he said. He said the websites were experiencing technical 
difficulty.
 
Salt said a colleague overheard auction-goers say that they would come in and 
buy the property when Salt's bid fails. But he said his group has more than 
enough money to complete the $10.5 million purchase.
 
Salt said the Boone Area Chamber of Commerce would be issuing a news release 
late Wednesday afternoon after the auction, but later said the chamber wasn't 
prepared to do that and would issue one in the coming weeks.
 
The Spiritual Center of America complex was finished in 1998 at a cost of more 
than $40 million as a center for transcendental meditation, the Heavenly 
Mountain Transcendental Meditation complex. The complex has 17 apartment 
buildings, a large, temple-like congregational hall and a cafeteria with 
floor-to-ceiling windows that offer long-range mountain views.
 
"What a glorious property, what a glorious opportunity," said Jason Dolph, vice 
president with Chartwell's Charlotte office, as he addressed the crowd of about 
50 people as the auction was preparing to start beneath a tent set up down the 
hill from the congregational hall.
 
"Some of the most beautiful mountain views in North Carolina, maybe beyond," 
Dolph said. "We expect we'll have a great bargain here today."
 
Bidders had to have a cashier's check or wire confirmation of $105,000.
 
Chartwell's auctioneer Gordon Greene started the bidding at $3 million. It rose 
quickly from there with a number of bidders raising hands.
 
But as the bidding climbed above $7 million, the auction became a 
back-and-forth contest between Salt, who was bidder 1694 on the front row, and 
another man, bidder 1695, near the back.
 
They went back and forth with more than a dozen bids before Greene gaveled the 
property "sold" at $9.2 million, apparently not noticing that Salt had his hand 
up.
 
People called out "No!" and pointed at Salt. A woman said, "His hand was up the 
whole time."
 
The bidding resumed, with the two bidders going back and forth.
 
"I have not touched my reserve yet, I can say that," Salt said, at $10.1 
million.
 
Bill Nice, a Chartwell principal working as an auction helper stationed near 
the back of the tent, urged bidder 1695 to keep going.
 
"Get it for $10(0,000)," Nice said. "It's so close."
 
Bidder 1695 raised his hand again, topping out at $10.2 million, then shaking 
his head "no" as they asked for more. He declined to give his name after the 
auction but said he was with a group from Charlotte.
 
The winning bidder also had to pay a buyer's premium of 7.5 percent, or 
$787,500.
 
The sale must close by Oct. 26, according to the terms of the auction.
 
mmitch...@wsjournal.com (336) 667-5691

 

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[FairfieldLife] Meat Glue

[oye34vay]

http://au.news.yahoo.com/today-tonight/consumer/article/-/8989315/meat-glue/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Recent video by Peter Wallace

[nablusoss1008]

Thanks merudanda, not the worst characterization I've received on FFL
:-)



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda  wrote:
>
>
> snip
> I was not familiar with this lovely poem by Herman Hesse --
> then I have to write how Roy(ri)al impressive it is you recognise
it.No
> question..:
>
> Truly, only the sages
> fathom a darkness to fall,
> that, as silent as cages,
> separates all.
>
> Strange it is, walking through mists!
> Life has to solitude grown:
> None to the other exists:
> Each stands alone.
>
> Interpretation of the poem and why "nabulossos" always remind me of
> Hesse "Nebelgedicht:Seltsam imNebel zu wandern.."has been posted
> somwhere here at FFL already
> but it's 2 o'clock in the morning and the fog... you know
>

[FairfieldLife] You can live in light

[nablusoss1008]

Maharishi:

http://tinyurl.com/6x7n36e

[FairfieldLife] Re: Experiences of existential crisis

[jpgillam]

Fascinating. Thanks!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
>
> Life continues to be infinitely pointless for me, except the difference now 
> is that everything is accepted, so that whatever direction I steer my life in 
> this pointlessness I end up in a good place. Previously, my feeling of 
> pointlessness was accompanied by a feeling of disconnectedness. Now the 
> pointlessness remains, though with everything and everyone being connected 
> and accepted, it no longer matters. Having no point, no ultimate truth no 
> longer matters, becomes irrelevant. :-P
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jpgillam"  wrote:
> >
> > Serious, offbeat question: I once went through three months when I realized 
> > the essential pointlessness of life. I saw clearly that life had no meaning 
> > whatsoever, and that nothing anybody did made any difference. I recently 
> > had occasion to ask a few classrooms of high school juniors how many of 
> > them had had the experience, and about a third raised their hands. How 
> > about you: Have you had a spell when you realized all is vanity and 
> > grasping for wind?
> > 
> > In my case and that of a loved one who underwent the same thing when she 
> > was in middle school, we emerged from the flatness when we got tired of 
> > feeling nothing and wanted to start being happy again. We decided to be 
> > happy. That decision seemed to be the point of the passage.
> > 
> > Note that I'm not talking about clinical depression, nor am I talking about 
> > loneliness. This is an existential crisis I'm talking about.
> > 
> > When did you go through it, how long did it last, and what did you do to 
> > climb out of it? Did anything seem to precipitate it?
> > 
> > I had my experience of this flatness in the late 1980s, but I've been 
> > thinking about it lately, and would be curious for your experiences.
> > 
> > Thanks!
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: #5# New life With Jesus!

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paulo Barbosa"  wrote:
>
> Think About this: new life with Jesus!
> 
> "Jesus answered and said unto him,  Verily,  verily,  I  say
> unto thee, 



Except a man be born again,  


and again, and again, and again ! :-)


he  cannot  see  the
> kingdom of God" (John 3:3).

That's right. Even before man became a human being he was born a million times.

That's a lot of birth's my friend !


> 
> new life... really new... now with Jesus in  the  heart!  Do
> you want?
> 
> Paulo Barbosa
> tprobert@...
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Recent video by Peter Wallace

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda  wrote:
>
> no! (scroll down please)
> 
> Wondrous to wander through mists!
> Parted are bush and stone:
> None to the other exists,
> Each stands alone.
> 
> Many my friends came calling
> then, when I lived in the light;
> Now that the fogs are falling,
> None is in sight.
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff" rorygoff@ wrote:
> > >
> > > * * * We also have a Crop Circle Cafe in town that Peter has
> probably
> > heard of, if not visited, by now :-)
> >
> >
> > 108 (!) W Burlington Ave.
> > Crop Circle Cafe & Gallery Llc
> 2279 Rolling Meadows Road, Fairfield, IA 52556-8555
> 
> 
> >since you want to visit this love-able town of mystery...
> Marlene Martin, M.A., Co-Founder of Crop Circle Café & Gallery in
> Fairfield and her daughter discovered crop circles in 2003 and believes
> "Crop circles " and "UFOs" are pointing the way toward the coming Golden
> Age, and the human metamorphosis that's already underway for the
> entire human race.  Humanity as a whole is undergoing an extraordinary
> evolutionary leap, both in terms of consciousness and physiology.  This
> unique transformational process is the divine plan for the next
> adventure of humanity, as we graduate from a world sunk in duality and
> limitation, to an abundant world for all that celebrates our unity at
> the core of our diversity."


Nice. Did Marlene see an american Crop Circle ?


> http://demystifying2012.org/
> http://cropcirclecafe.org/
> "Heaven on earth.  spiritual and material technology.  beyond what you
> can imagine, and coming your way soon."   For more information and if
> you want to visit her, contact marlene@...
> Friday, September 18, 2009 she presented" aerial photography of stunning
> formations, research photos, anomalous on-site evidence, and the famous
> crop circle documentary Crop Circles: Crossovers from Another
> Dimension."
> http://www.amazon.com/Crop-Circles-Crossover-Another-Dimension/dp/B000IL\
> YZ2K
> http://tinyurl.com/3k7z2kl
> at the Iowa City Public Library, 123 S. Linn St Peter Wallace could have
> seen
> http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/40375/Crop_Circles___Crossovers_\
> from_another_Dimension_2/
> http://tinyurl.com/3fmrsyr
> http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/40374/Crop_Circles___Crossovers_\
> from_another_Dimension_1/
> http://tinyurl.com/3twpn38
> 
> A warning- some of the effects described could be chemical reactions-
> although it seems to happen too quickly.
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9588346
> 
> Now.--sorry this old snake that flies with feathers of colors(? ) have
> to fly  fly away fly away toward another dimension
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Experiences of existential crisis

[whynotnow7]

Life continues to be infinitely pointless for me, except the difference now is 
that everything is accepted, so that whatever direction I steer my life in this 
pointlessness I end up in a good place. Previously, my feeling of pointlessness 
was accompanied by a feeling of disconnectedness. Now the pointlessness 
remains, though with everything and everyone being connected and accepted, it 
no longer matters. Having no point, no ultimate truth no longer matters, 
becomes irrelevant. :-P

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jpgillam"  wrote:
>
> Serious, offbeat question: I once went through three months when I realized 
> the essential pointlessness of life. I saw clearly that life had no meaning 
> whatsoever, and that nothing anybody did made any difference. I recently had 
> occasion to ask a few classrooms of high school juniors how many of them had 
> had the experience, and about a third raised their hands. How about you: Have 
> you had a spell when you realized all is vanity and grasping for wind?
> 
> In my case and that of a loved one who underwent the same thing when she was 
> in middle school, we emerged from the flatness when we got tired of feeling 
> nothing and wanted to start being happy again. We decided to be happy. That 
> decision seemed to be the point of the passage.
> 
> Note that I'm not talking about clinical depression, nor am I talking about 
> loneliness. This is an existential crisis I'm talking about.
> 
> When did you go through it, how long did it last, and what did you do to 
> climb out of it? Did anything seem to precipitate it?
> 
> I had my experience of this flatness in the late 1980s, but I've been 
> thinking about it lately, and would be curious for your experiences.
> 
> Thanks!
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Recent video by Peter Wallace

[whynotnow7]

David Bowie - there's an avatar for you. Good thing the Monkees came along, or 
he'd still be Davey Jones.:-)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff"  wrote:
>
> * * *  Evidently the proprietor has recently moved into 402 North B, the 
> large building by the tracks which used to be a health-food store in the 
> 1980's. I haven't been there yet, but her old cafe had a lot of great 
> photographs of crop-circles on the walls -- you would love it, Nablusoss. I 
> believe (please correct me if I am wrong, Alex) the proprietor is the ex-wife 
> of Raja Tom Stanley, evoking a twist on David Bowie's famous song: 
> 
> "Ground Control to Raja Tom"
> 
> This is Raja Tom to Ground Control
> I'm stepping through the door
> And I'm floating in a most peculiar way
> And the stars look very different today...
> 
> Here am I floating on my own can
> Far above the Moon
> Planet Earth is blue
> And there's nothing I can do..." 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff"  wrote:
> > >
> > > * * * We also have a Crop Circle Cafe in town that Peter has probably
> > heard of, if not visited, by now :-)
> > 
> > 
> > 108 (!) W Burlington Ave.
> > 
> > No photos when googled. Must be plenty of cameras in Fairfield, no ?
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: why MMY not use kleem beeja mantra? (kleem or Kleeng ?)

[Marcio]

Empty and all 

I think krim mantra is mantra for kali / kali beej mantra however MMY not use 
"Krim" he gave to the teachers of TM "Kirim"

MMY I think it would give the mantra "kleem ', would be" KILEEM' or 'KILIM "or" 
KEELEEM " ... 

KLIM is also beej mantra for Kali, the power of magnetic attraction of the 
energy of Kali,

KRIM is the aspect of electric energy of kali


but there are other beej mantra in Hinduism, such as:


Haum
In this Mantra, Ha is Siva and au is Sadasiva. Lord Siva is worshipped with 
this mantra.

Dum
Here Da means Durga. U means to protect. This is the Mantra of Durga Mata.


hoom
In this Mantra, Ha is Siva. U is Bhairava.

Gam
This is the Ganesha-Bija. Ga means Ganesha.

Glaum
This is a Mantra of Ganesha. Ga means Ganesha. That Which means it pervades. Au 
means luster or brilliance.

Kshraum
This is the Bija of Narasimha. Ksha is Narasimha. Ra is Brahma. Au means with 
teeth pointing upwards.

Vyaam
Vyaam is the Bija of Vyasa-Mantra




why MMY did not give other beej mantras for his teachers ?


MMY certainly have some direction in choosing your beej mantras for TM, or not?




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill"  wrote:
>
> Kleem/Kleeng is the bija mantra of kama devataa or desire.
> In the West that deity was known as Eros or Cupid.
> 
> The mantra is used for intensifying attraction and desire.
> That is probably why it was not installed in the mantra
> sets given by MMY to TM teachers. However, it is also the
> bija mantra for Krishna, although without the proper
> initiation you might not get much by using it. On the other
> hand, you might get too much by using it ... experiences that
> you do not want to have in any way at all.
> 
> If you insist on using it, the best way is to shelter the seed syllable
> by using this form of it ... klim krishâya namah.
> 
> User beware!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill"  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marcio" tmer1306@ wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Does anybody know the reason for not using the MMY beeja mantra 
> kleem? which the most powerful  kleem or Kleeng ?
> > >
> > > tahnk you Marcelo
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] John Hagelin lecture Tonight

[Buck]

Sunday nite
8pm, Dalby Hall 
on MUM campus.

Super Black Holes
and Enlightenment

Supposedly open to everyone.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Another pair of sandals for sale (was Re: Merudanda/Sandals)

[Mark Landau]

Maybe I should write it.  Tragi-comedy for sure...

On Sep 18, 2011, at 8:16 AM, seventhray1 wrote:

> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau  wrote:
> >
> > Perhaps we all do things differently (though similarly). I did most of mine 
> > in the years after I left, '76-'78. Then pretty much stopped till I decided 
> > to sell the sandals feeling I had done most of it. Perhaps now there's just 
> > a little more to do, triggered by everything that's come up here and since. 
> > Also, he was a much larger part of my life than most.
> 
>  Does anyone's death expunge them from the hearts and lives of others? Or is 
> this irony directed at others or a humorous riff going over my head or all of 
> the above. 
> 
> I think there should a Shakesperian type of Maharishi play.  I don't know if 
> it would be a comedy or a tragedy, but I think these lines would have a place 
> in it.  Perhaps it can be Mark sitting on rock outcroppinng, and these are 
> first lines of his soliliqy.  
> 
> 
> 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Another pair of sandals for sale (was Re: Merudanda/Sandals)

[Mark Landau]

Thank you, Ravi

On Sep 18, 2011, at 2:02 AM, Ravi Yogi wrote:

> Me too, welcome back Mark and hope this goes well.
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > I'm with you. Mark, I hope it goes well for you.
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Ditto! I hope they sell way past the reserve.
> > > I hope it brings him all that he wishes for!
> > > Maybe some zillionaire from India will purchase them?
> > > I hope all goes well.
> > > This is fun, I am excited for someone to benefit from anything! : )
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7" whynotnow7@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I don't know anything beyond what Mark has shared publicly. I was
> > commenting on how we really don't know anything about the potential
> > buyers of Mark's sandals, or what he will settle for. I hope he makes a
> > bundle. Why not?
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine 
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Of course there's a lot of people like that,
> > > > > Jim~~but so far I've seen no evidence that
> > > > > anyone even close to that league is the least
> > > > > bit interested. Have you? That's at least one
> > > > > thing I meant about dangerous delusions. It
> > > > > seems Mark's entire life in the near future is
> > > > > being based upon these selling for a significant
> > > > > amount. So far the only offers I know of are
> > > > > lurk's and yours. Or have I missed something?
> > > > > Sal
> > > > >
> > > > > 2011, at 1:16 PM, whynotnow7 wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > There's a lot of people in the world to whom $70K means nothing
> > - its like spending $100 to you or me. As to the intentions of the
> > potential buyer, who knows? Maybe they just like famous shoes. :-)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb 
> > wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine
> >  wrote:
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> On Sep 16, 2011, at 5:06 AM, turquoiseb wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > >  I'm hoping that Ted can put my set of flip-flops
> > > > >  up for auction at the same time that he puts up
> > > > >  Maharishi's sandals, so that I might get some
> > > > >  "spillover" traffic from wealthy foot and fraud
> > > > >  fetishists. Thanks to you and obbajeeba for
> > > > >  suggesting the idea.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> I wonder whatever happened to the idea of,
> > > > > >>> if you need $$, getting a job. I think
> > > > > >>> Mark is living in a dream-world, perhaps
> > > > > >>> even dangerously so, if he thinks these
> > > > > >>> decades-old "relics" are going to become
> > > > > >>> his salvation.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> 
> 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Another pair of sandals for sale (was Re: Merudanda/Sandals)

[Mark Landau]

So, Sal,
It looks like we're getting closer.
Can you nail precisely what it is about me that really gets you the most?
Because nothing you've said so far is really getting it.

On Sep 18, 2011, at 11:12 AM, Sal Sunshine wrote:

> On Sep 17, 2011, at 8:16 PM, seventhray1 wrote:
> 
>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine  wrote:
>>> 
>>> On Sep 16, 2011, at 5:03 PM, whynotnow7 wrote:
>>> 
 I don't know anything beyond what Mark has shared publicly. I was 
 commenting on how we really don't know anything about the potential buyers 
 of Mark's sandals, or what he will settle for. I hope he makes a bundle. 
 Why not?
>>> 
>>> So you hope someone's going to get swindled?
>>> Sal
>>> 
>> Sal, this things is really a bee in your bonnet.  Would you care to subject 
>> your purchases to scrutiny and judgement?  You're riding this one pretty 
>> hard. Must be triggering something in you.  
> 
> lurk, Mark has been posting here now for
> how many months?  And has gotten how many
> suggestions for what he can do to get the 
> ball rolling? (many of them very good
> ones). And each and every time has
> some (usually very dumb) excuse for why he
> can't do the relatively simple things involved.
> Now he's supposedly trying to get them into
> some auction house, but…surprise!  There's still
> roadblocks in the way.  Not of his making, of 
> course.  They need some letters,  
> which he's finding it difficult to obtain.  That
> will be the next excuse offered for this particular
> plan's going bust.  Basically he seems, as Barry
> might put it, addicted to attention.  My guess 
> is he has no real intention to look into selling
> as long as he can continue running this number
> here.
> Sal 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Another pair of sandals for sale (was Re: Merudanda/Sandals)

[Sal Sunshine]

On Sep 17, 2011, at 8:16 PM, seventhray1 wrote:

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine  wrote:
> >
> > On Sep 16, 2011, at 5:03 PM, whynotnow7 wrote:
> > 
> > > I don't know anything beyond what Mark has shared publicly. I was 
> > > commenting on how we really don't know anything about the potential 
> > > buyers of Mark's sandals, or what he will settle for. I hope he makes a 
> > > bundle. Why not?
> > 
> > So you hope someone's going to get swindled?
> > Sal
> >
> Sal, this things is really a bee in your bonnet.  Would you care to subject 
> your purchases to scrutiny and judgement?  You're riding this one pretty 
> hard. Must be triggering something in you.  

lurk, Mark has been posting here now for
how many months?  And has gotten how many
suggestions for what he can do to get the 
ball rolling? (many of them very good
ones). And each and every time has
some (usually very dumb) excuse for why he
can't do the relatively simple things involved.
Now he's supposedly trying to get them into
some auction house, but…surprise!  There's still
roadblocks in the way.  Not of his making, of 
course.  They need some letters,  
which he's finding it difficult to obtain.  That
will be the next excuse offered for this particular
plan's going bust.  Basically he seems, as Barry
might put it, addicted to attention.  My guess 
is he has no real intention to look into selling
as long as he can continue running this number
here.
Sal 









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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Recent video by Peter Wallace

[Mark Landau]

Thank you for your explanation and thoughts on irony, especially because I 
often am flat-footed in the post-modern world.
As I said, it was complex.  Something was evoked that went far beyond irony.  
And it was meant to draw one in.  Let's leave it at that for now and give it a 
little more time.  If you wish, I'll explain further down the line.
So, if we rate it, we couldn't rate it simply along the lines of irony.
It really was, I would say, more weighted on the side of what it evoked than it 
was on the side of irony.
And you won't need to wait for it (this kind of "irony" from me), because I 
don't think I'll come out with the likes of it again, unless it's somehow 
called for.
Regarding M and the sandals, I agree that he was an exceptional personality, 
though I'm not so sure he was the most such since Christ, perhaps I would say 
one of the most to make a significant imprint on world consciousness for some 
time.  I think of him, sometimes, as a rather small man standing on the 
shoulders of giants, but those giants were always more obscure world 
consciousness-wise.  But I don't think the world will exalt him much more than 
he is now, though I may be dead wrong in this.  I see him being relegated to 
near footnote status, somewhere, perhaps, along the continuum near William 
Randolph Hearst or some such person, at least in terms of "history's eyes."
And I think everyone here knows that I consider the sandals priceless, or at 
least worth 1, 2 or 3 million.  5 million seems like a lot to me, but hey, let 
someone put a higher price tag on them than me.  But, as things stand, I came 
up with the absolute lowest I would accept at this point in my life given my 
circumstances and have decided to go with it now.
And re the LW thing, please, don't let me crimp your style.  Always follow your 
own muse/guidance.  The way to heal a polarity is not to jump back from one end 
and try to get to the other, but to incorporate the whole thing and (forgive 
me) transcend it to find the ascension point.  That, I would say, includes all 
continuum/polarities, including the Eastern/Western one.
Love always, though, no, in this case, not the sexual kind,
m

On Sep 17, 2011, at 7:25 PM, maskedzebra wrote:

> Well I choose to rate it. Because even I (who am a keen student of irony) 
> wondered for a while there. But must stop here: I don't want to become the 
> object of irony in my appreciation of how you nearly drew me in by 
> yours—first time, I think, I have seen it. I mostly resort to irony when the 
> point is too obvious to make non-ironically. For me, irony is the most real 
> thing left in the world—almost. Has the most potency. Religion can't touch 
> it. As in, when Letterman in his monologue says:"I registered my son for 
> Scientology camp." {And just lets the universe itself set up the feedback.]
> 
> There inside the Ed Sullivan theatre the acoustical potential for irony is 
> the highest—because of how much of a master of this mode Letterman is. I 
> don't think I have ever seen him without, at the very least, the immediate 
> contingency of irony. Without (unless somehow you are always in a state of 
> grace) irony at your disposal, you are pretty much flat-footed in the 
> post-modern world.
> 
> There. Getting pedantic about irony. But you see, I almost got fooled here 
> when you brought it out, Mark. I'll be waiting for it next time.
> 
> The more inwardly sincere you are, the more you have to have irony at the 
> ready. Like a sort of 21st century update on Christ's: You must be as 
> innocent as a dove, as wise as a serpent.
> 
> About those sandals: my own intuition is that sooner or later Maharishi, no 
> matter what, will be viewed as an extraordinary character in history—just not 
> the glorious saviour we thought he was. I consider those sandals potentially 
> worth much more than $70 000. But this is purely in the abstract world of my 
> imagination as I contemplate Maharishi's eventual reputation. Objectively, 
> then, I think them an authentic relic. Priceless.
> 
> After all, for what it's worth I think Maharishi the strongest and most 
> exceptional personality since Christ.
> 
> Whoops! LW setting in here. Gotta make a fast exit.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau  wrote:
> >
> > Let's not rate. Let's call it a complex experiment that didn't quite gel. I 
> > did have some fun with it, though.
> > 
> > On Sep 17, 2011, at 5:26 PM, maskedzebra wrote:
> > 
> > > Did you just out-irony me or something, Mark? Seems so.
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Wow, are you kidding? So much for loyalty. You're gonna let Sal dictate 
> > > > our interaction and laud her to the skies? What kind of man are you? 
> > > > Canadian? Let's undo everything that happened between us right now. 
> > > > Ready, set, go back to your pre-Mark condition.
> > > > And where did sexuality come from in all this? Perhaps that was Sal's 
> > > 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Recent video by Peter Wallace

[Mark Landau]

Dear Merudanda,
Could you give me a yea or nay on this, either here or at m...@sky5.com?
I may need to depart FFL again soon. Many thanks, m
Merudanda, they (the auction house) request two "letters of authentication." 
You are the only person I have yet found with a direct experience of the 
incident. If you would be so kind as to write one, I would be deeply grateful. 
Simply say that you were there in the room with he and me when the new sandals 
arrived, my role and confirm that when he tried them on he asked us if they 
were too big, or felt slippery, or whatever you remember. Of course, if you 
would be willing to say anything about who you are, why you were there and that 
you're sure these sandals are authentic, that would be wonderful. But whatever, 
if anything, you would agree to write would be greatly appreciated.

On Sep 18, 2011, at 10:41 AM, merudanda wrote:

> 
> snip
>  I was not familiar with this lovely poem by Herman Hesse -- 
> then I have to write how Roy(ri)al impressive it is you recognise it.No 
> question..:
> 
> Truly, only the sages
> fathom a darkness to fall,
> that, as silent as cages,
> separates all.
> 
> Strange it is, walking through mists!
> Life has to solitude grown:
> None to the other exists:
> Each stands alone. 
> 
> Interpretation of the poem and why "nabulossos" always remind me of Hesse 
> "Nebelgedicht:Seltsam imNebel zu wandern.."has been posted somwhere here at 
> FFL already
> but it's 2 o'clock in the morning and the fog... you know
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Recent video by Peter Wallace

[Bhairitu]

Just looking at the posts on FFL I see it is the "same ol' same ol'" IOW 
people stuck in the past with little interest in the present or future.  
I downloaded the video and got a little sick of the naive descriptions 
and TM buzzwords.  Many of the "saints" probably have about the same 
level of experience of some of the members here.  After all we're mainly 
a bunch of old farts who have been practicing some form of sadhana for 
years (TM or otherwise) and "saints" are about the same thing.  But ya 
know some folks still believe in Superman.

On 09/18/2011 05:15 AM, turquoiseb wrote:
> Curtis, I've not commented on this video because I haven't
> seen it. It just didn't interest me when I first saw the
> link to it, and it still doesn't. So what I'm responding
> to below is not anything about Peter Wallace himself or
> anything he said or even about TM in particular. You
> touched on an interesting 'tude that I've seen across
> the entire spiritual smorgasbord, and made some points
> that I think are worth reinforcing.
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
> "curtisdeltablues"  wrote:
>> But my Goddamn unconscious tyrant sent me a memo.  One that
>> I can't refuse, despite the price I pay in euphoria deflation
>> over such a string of wonderful tales of encounters with
>> special, wonderful people.
>>
>> So here it is.  Too many perfect coincidences in a row with
>> the same message as the subtext.  And the message is that
>> this person, Peter, is the most wonderfully, specially,
>> coincidentally acknowledged person by each and every special
>> person in his stories without exception.  None of them were
>> met the way I met Maharishi, each one has a story, worthy
>> of standing alone in its magical perfection.  Why did he
>> have to put them all together?  Could he have included even
>> one story that sounded like mine?  One story that didn't
>> have the blessed perfection of a perfectly told story?
>> Could he have shown a bit of literary discipline in what
>> he was serving us?
>>
>> OK.  If this is how it all really went down, then he is the
>> single most magically blessed person I have ever heard about,
>> with the ultimate "I hung out with Maharishi before he became
>> Donald Trump" tales.
>>
>> But if you spoke with Maharishi for 6 months and the most
>> interesting thing you have to share is how special you were
>> in how you were acknowledged by him...no details worthy of
>> a person sitting day after day with the guy who was supposed
>> to have figured it all out, the guy who had the answers about
>> the reality of life, the best you can serve up to us is a cool
>> coincidence story about how you knew better than anyone else
>> the Maharishi was gunna show up...that is the most important
>> words out of your mouth...a story not about his insights into
>> reality but how special you were in how you met him...
>>
>> and all of this served up in a non-affect monotone serving up
>> exactly zero of the qualities that might encourage me to see
>> how reasonable it is that this is the guy who may be the
>> luckiest guy in the world.
> As I said above, I haven't seen the video, but based on
> your description above, I've met the guy and heard his
> rap before, many times. True, it may not have been Peter
> Wallace himself, but I've seen this mindset before, in
> many other guys and gals. I call it self importance.
>
> And you just nailed it. First, the storytelling is just
> too polished and bard-like, as if they've not only told
> this story to others for years, they've told it to
> *themselves* for years, over and over, to remind them-
> selves how special they really were, to have been able
> to hang out so close to an even more special person.
>
> Second, it's the consistent pasting together of coinci-
> dences or meaningless, unrelated events interpreted as
> both meaningful and related. Nothing in these stories
> can ever be mundane or random or coincidence; it all
> seems to have to be dripping with cosmic importance
> and the pre-ordained wonderfulnessitude of it all.
>
> Third, it's the "It all comes down to me" aspect of the
> storytelling that's the tell. Not just in the context of
> former followers of spiritual teachers telling stories
> about them, but also in the vast canon of spiritual liter-
> ature itself. There were chroniclers of spiritual teachers
> who managed to tell the story without painting themselves
> into every scene. And then there were the vast majority,
> who couldn't. There was almost always a "me" element in
> the storytelling, presented as if the "me" in question --
> the narrator of the story, after all -- was just as
> important and just as special as the spiritual luminary
> being spoken of or written about.
>
> It's been so many years since I was tempted to measure my
> own self worth by my proximity to a "special" person that
> I forget about this whole 'tude, and how prevalent a
> mindset it is in many spiritual communities. Your descrip-
> tion reminded 

[FairfieldLife] Experiences of existential crisis

[jpgillam]

Serious, offbeat question: I once went through three months when I realized the 
essential pointlessness of life. I saw clearly that life had no meaning 
whatsoever, and that nothing anybody did made any difference. I recently had 
occasion to ask a few classrooms of high school juniors how many of them had 
had the experience, and about a third raised their hands. How about you: Have 
you had a spell when you realized all is vanity and grasping for wind?

In my case and that of a loved one who underwent the same thing when she was in 
middle school, we emerged from the flatness when we got tired of feeling 
nothing and wanted to start being happy again. We decided to be happy. That 
decision seemed to be the point of the passage.

Note that I'm not talking about clinical depression, nor am I talking about 
loneliness. This is an existential crisis I'm talking about.

When did you go through it, how long did it last, and what did you do to climb 
out of it? Did anything seem to precipitate it?

I had my experience of this flatness in the late 1980s, but I've been thinking 
about it lately, and would be curious for your experiences.

Thanks!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Recent video by Peter Wallace

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda  wrote:
>
> ...but it's 2 o'clock in the morning and the fog... you know

I have to ask, merudanda, where...if you're not being
inaccessible...is it almost 2 o'clock in the morning? 
My world time zone map suggests Japan or Korea. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Recent video by Peter Wallace

[merudanda]

snip
  I was not familiar with this lovely poem by Herman Hesse --
then I have to write how Roy(ri)al impressive it is you recognise it.No
question..:

Truly, only the sages
fathom a darkness to fall,
that, as silent as cages,
separates all.

Strange it is, walking through mists!
Life has to solitude grown:
None to the other exists:
Each stands alone.

Interpretation of the poem and why "nabulossos" always remind me of
Hesse "Nebelgedicht:Seltsam imNebel zu wandern.."has been posted
somwhere here at FFL already
but it's 2 o'clock in the morning and the fog... you know

[FairfieldLife] Re: Recent video by Peter Wallace

[RoryGoff]

> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff"  wrote:
> > I believe (please correct me if I am wrong, Alex) the proprietor
> > is the ex-wife of Raja Tom Stanley

--- "Alex Stanley"  wrote:
> You are not wrong... not this time, anyway.

* * * Oh, thank God! And thank you too, Alex, if you somehow were *not* 
included in the first expression. :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Recent video by Peter Wallace

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff"  wrote:
> I believe (please correct me if I am wrong, Alex) the proprietor
> is the ex-wife of Raja Tom Stanley

You are not wrong... not this time, anyway.

[FairfieldLife] Excuses for avoiding liberation? [was Re: Blissy vs. Happy]

[RoryGoff]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1"  wrote:
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price  wrote:
> > 
> > > Like many progressives you're progressive till someone
> > > offends your sense of what is acceptable.  YOU SEEM TO FORGET,
> > > democracy is NOT about protecting the people we agree with, it 
> > > about protecting the people many of us don't agree with. Turn a
> > > liberal over and give them a good shake and out pops a born
> > > again neo con---almost every time.
> > 
> > Nicely put.  I am not sure if I agree totally, but a nicely put 
> > phrase.
> 
> It's a lot easier to put phrases nicely when one isn't
> concerned about whether they actually apply in context.
> (The "you" in the quote refers to moi.)
>
* * Bob, I have enjoyed your humor and presence here on FFL as much (I dare 
say) as anyone, but I have to admit I really don't comprehend your POV here. 
Judy is certainly censorious on occasion -- you'll get no argument from me 
there, or from Judy, evidently -- and unarguably is gleefully corrective, but 
she is clearly no censor. Au contraire, to me she appears to be one of the most 
-- if not outright the most -- scrupulously fair contributors to this fair 
field: gifted with a crystal-clear intellect, a passion for the truth, and an 
openness to Life's Mystery -- a near-perfect trifecta, in my book.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Recent video by Peter Wallace

[obbajeeba]

"For Entertainment Purposes Only," 
and of course fictionbut...Can't help myself. LOL

 "Peter Russell," as mentioned in below thread and numerous others on the 
subject of re: Recent video of Peter Wallace.  heh. 
Why does the subliminal name use keep coming up of Peter Wallace as Peter 
Russell? 
I am curious. LOL.

Sal's mention (good one. : ))  of Peter "Colonel Sanders" Wallace, I mean, I 
forgot the exact phrase on the other thread of same subject and that was one 
funny correlation.
Maybe someone needs to investigate the time line of Colonel Sanders, what was 
he doing, way back when... h  Could it be possible, Peter,not Russell, 
but Wallace and possibly, Sanders is? lol.
Could it be possible the reason the Russell name keeps coming up is a Russell 
Brand in the news associated with TM? 
Or is Russell a common word to place after Peter's name?   haha

Now that I have wasted this much time writing a silly reply on this thread and 
bored any readers thereof, how about  a mistake of saying, Russell Harrison? 
http://just-like-starting-over.tumblr.com/post/8503696624/russell-brand-the-hare-krishna-movement
 I meant, opps, sorry, Russell Brand.. LMAO! 
The above article mentions Russell Brand going to the Hari Krishna 
Bhakivendenta Center, http://www.krishnatemple.com/home/?page_id=9
Do Hari Krishna's have, "Milk men?" 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJZM3X4dpzo&feature=fvwrel   or 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jT3_UCm1A5I  
Striking eyes are usually inherited?  LOL.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra  wrote:
>
> I get this, Curtis—and I love it. But I will say that Peter Wallace did 
> convince me that all these supernatural coincidences did in fact happen to 
> him around these Big Eastern Boys (and Girls). I watched for the slightest 
> affectation or guile in his story-telling; but in fact it all came out so 
> naturally that I knew he was telling the truth—More than this: at this time 
> (mid to late sixties) the universe did in fact cooperate with Maharishi—and 
> get behind his whole project. That Nature Support thing: did Maharishi just 
> make that up? No, I felt it (Mother is at Home = variant, and even more 
> convincing) to be real. And it *was* very real.
> 
> But then it gradually attenuated—'Nature" withdrew 'her' support from 
> Maharishi, and now, if one feels the state of grace of the TMO, one is forced 
> to conclude: There has been an actual reversal of fortune—because the grace 
> is gone. You could go to an Introductory Lecture in the late seventies and 
> feel the metaphysical buzz. Yeah, the invisible powers in the universe seemed 
> to like TM and Maharishi. But then something happened and now the buzz has 
> all gone. The love has gone. The magic has gone.
> 
> BUT there is Peter Wallace, somehow holding inside himself the more halcyon 
> days of TM and MMY: the reality of what it all *was* is still inside of him. 
> This to me is a kind of miracle. I doubt you would find this reality living 
> inside one other initiator in the world. Why, how, does Peter Wallace become 
> the repository of these more glorious days? I suppose—just a guess 
> here—because we need to remember once what TM and Maharishi were. There was 
> nothing like  subjective estimation of the phenomenon.
> 
> But I detected no attempt by Peter Wallace to make himself special. He *was* 
> special, for the reasons I have given: someone has to keep the whole history 
> of TM and Maharishi and the Movement inside of them—so it can be seen 
> longitudinally, and not just in its decline.
> 
> Consider this thought experiment, Curtis, if you will: Take you at the zenith 
> of your enthusiasm for TM, Maharishi, and the Teaching: If you fell into a 
> coma between that moment (when you were most devoted and keen) and now, and 
> you suddenly woke up and listened to Peter Wallace, what would be your 
> experience? More significantly, if you woke up now and tried to get a bead on 
> where things have gone, how would you go about adjusting to the change 
> between just before your coma and now, September 2011?—and of course you 
> would be informed that Maharishi had died.
> 
> The thing (you might not get this) about you, Curtis, is that miraculously it 
> seems (I have referred to this before) you have regained an almost perfect 
> normalcy—as if you truly were able to expunge the whole reality (whatever you 
> decided you did want to hang around inside of you) of TM and Maharishi (and 
> your commitment to the Teaching as an initiator and chairperson of a large TM 
> center). I have, I am sure, exerted more force and effort and time to this 
> very same process—and still I sense I have wounds and susceptibilities and 
> weaknesses that appear singularly absent from yourself.
> 
> For me, Peter Russell, then, is an authentic living archive of the whole 
> trajectory of the Movement—No, not quite: he has been rendered immune from 
> the disillusionment that has set in with

[FairfieldLife] #5# New life With Jesus!

[Paulo Barbosa]

Think About this: new life with Jesus!

"Jesus answered and said unto him,  Verily,  verily,  I  say
unto thee, Except a man be born again,  he  cannot  see  the
kingdom of God" (John 3:3).

new life... really new... now with Jesus in  the  heart!  Do
you want?

Paulo Barbosa
tprob...@terra.com.br
 

[FairfieldLife] Excuses for avoiding liberation? [was Re: Blissy vs. Happy]

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1"  wrote:
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price  wrote:
> 
> > Like many progressives you're progressive till someone
> > offends your sense of what is acceptable.  YOU SEEM TO FORGET,
> > democracy is NOT about protecting the people we agree with, it 
> > about protecting the people many of us don't agree with. Turn a
> > liberal over and give them a good shake and out pops a born
> > again neo con---almost every time.
> 
> Nicely put.  I am not sure if I agree totally, but a nicely put 
> phrase.

It's a lot easier to put phrases nicely when one isn't
concerned about whether they actually apply in context.
(The "you" in the quote refers to moi.)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Recent video by Peter Wallace

[RoryGoff]

Many thanks, merudanda! I was not familiar with this lovely poem by Herman 
Hesse -- beautiful even in translation. And thank you too for the additional 
information on the CCC below -- though I believe she has moved yet again, as 
mentioned, to 402 North B.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda  wrote:
>
> no! (scroll down please)
> 
> Wondrous to wander through mists!
> Parted are bush and stone:
> None to the other exists,
> Each stands alone.
> 
> Many my friends came calling
> then, when I lived in the light;
> Now that the fogs are falling,
> None is in sight.
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff" rorygoff@ wrote:
> > >
> > > * * * We also have a Crop Circle Cafe in town that Peter has
> probably
> > heard of, if not visited, by now :-)
> >
> >
> > 108 (!) W Burlington Ave.
> > Crop Circle Cafe & Gallery Llc
> 2279 Rolling Meadows Road, Fairfield, IA 52556-8555
> 
> 
> >since you want to visit this love-able town of mystery...
> Marlene Martin, M.A., Co-Founder of Crop Circle Café & Gallery in
> Fairfield and her daughter discovered crop circles in 2003 and believes
> "Crop circles " and "UFOs" are pointing the way toward the coming Golden
> Age, and the human metamorphosis that's already underway for the
> entire human race.  Humanity as a whole is undergoing an extraordinary
> evolutionary leap, both in terms of consciousness and physiology.  This
> unique transformational process is the divine plan for the next
> adventure of humanity, as we graduate from a world sunk in duality and
> limitation, to an abundant world for all that celebrates our unity at
> the core of our diversity."
> http://demystifying2012.org/
> http://cropcirclecafe.org/
> "Heaven on earth.  spiritual and material technology.  beyond what you
> can imagine, and coming your way soon."   For more information and if
> you want to visit her, contact marlene@...
> Friday, September 18, 2009 she presented" aerial photography of stunning
> formations, research photos, anomalous on-site evidence, and the famous
> crop circle documentary Crop Circles: Crossovers from Another
> Dimension."
> http://www.amazon.com/Crop-Circles-Crossover-Another-Dimension/dp/B000IL\
> YZ2K
> http://tinyurl.com/3k7z2kl
> at the Iowa City Public Library, 123 S. Linn St Peter Wallace could have
> seen
> http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/40375/Crop_Circles___Crossovers_\
> from_another_Dimension_2/
> http://tinyurl.com/3fmrsyr
> http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/40374/Crop_Circles___Crossovers_\
> from_another_Dimension_1/
> http://tinyurl.com/3twpn38
> 
> A warning- some of the effects described could be chemical reactions-
> although it seems to happen too quickly.
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9588346
> 
> Now.--sorry this old snake that flies with feathers of colors(? ) have
> to fly  fly away fly away toward another dimension
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Recent video by Peter Wallace

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> Curtis, I've not commented on this video because I haven't
> seen it.

I find it very likely that you have heard many guys holding court like this.  
One too many probably!  I enjoyed reading your take on what I wrote. 




 It just didn't interest me when I first saw the
> link to it, and it still doesn't. So what I'm responding
> to below is not anything about Peter Wallace himself or
> anything he said or even about TM in particular. You
> touched on an interesting 'tude that I've seen across
> the entire spiritual smorgasbord, and made some points
> that I think are worth reinforcing.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
> wrote:
> >
> > But my Goddamn unconscious tyrant sent me a memo.  One that 
> > I can't refuse, despite the price I pay in euphoria deflation 
> > over such a string of wonderful tales of encounters with 
> > special, wonderful people.
> > 
> > So here it is.  Too many perfect coincidences in a row with 
> > the same message as the subtext.  And the message is that 
> > this person, Peter, is the most wonderfully, specially, 
> > coincidentally acknowledged person by each and every special 
> > person in his stories without exception.  None of them were 
> > met the way I met Maharishi, each one has a story, worthy 
> > of standing alone in its magical perfection.  Why did he 
> > have to put them all together?  Could he have included even 
> > one story that sounded like mine?  One story that didn't 
> > have the blessed perfection of a perfectly told story?   
> > Could he have shown a bit of literary discipline in what 
> > he was serving us?
> > 
> > OK.  If this is how it all really went down, then he is the 
> > single most magically blessed person I have ever heard about, 
> > with the ultimate "I hung out with Maharishi before he became 
> > Donald Trump" tales. 
> > 
> > But if you spoke with Maharishi for 6 months and the most 
> > interesting thing you have to share is how special you were 
> > in how you were acknowledged by him...no details worthy of 
> > a person sitting day after day with the guy who was supposed 
> > to have figured it all out, the guy who had the answers about 
> > the reality of life, the best you can serve up to us is a cool 
> > coincidence story about how you knew better than anyone else 
> > the Maharishi was gunna show up...that is the most important 
> > words out of your mouth...a story not about his insights into 
> > reality but how special you were in how you met him...
> > 
> > and all of this served up in a non-affect monotone serving up 
> > exactly zero of the qualities that might encourage me to see 
> > how reasonable it is that this is the guy who may be the 
> > luckiest guy in the world.  
> 
> As I said above, I haven't seen the video, but based on
> your description above, I've met the guy and heard his
> rap before, many times. True, it may not have been Peter
> Wallace himself, but I've seen this mindset before, in 
> many other guys and gals. I call it self importance.
> 
> And you just nailed it. First, the storytelling is just
> too polished and bard-like, as if they've not only told
> this story to others for years, they've told it to 
> *themselves* for years, over and over, to remind them-
> selves how special they really were, to have been able
> to hang out so close to an even more special person.
> 
> Second, it's the consistent pasting together of coinci-
> dences or meaningless, unrelated events interpreted as 
> both meaningful and related. Nothing in these stories 
> can ever be mundane or random or coincidence; it all
> seems to have to be dripping with cosmic importance
> and the pre-ordained wonderfulnessitude of it all.
> 
> Third, it's the "It all comes down to me" aspect of the
> storytelling that's the tell. Not just in the context of
> former followers of spiritual teachers telling stories 
> about them, but also in the vast canon of spiritual liter-
> ature itself. There were chroniclers of spiritual teachers
> who managed to tell the story without painting themselves
> into every scene. And then there were the vast majority,
> who couldn't. There was almost always a "me" element in
> the storytelling, presented as if the "me" in question --
> the narrator of the story, after all -- was just as 
> important and just as special as the spiritual luminary 
> being spoken of or written about.
> 
> It's been so many years since I was tempted to measure my 
> own self worth by my proximity to a "special" person that 
> I forget about this whole 'tude, and how prevalent a 
> mindset it is in many spiritual communities. Your descrip-
> tion reminded me. In a way, I'm thinking that telling these 
> stories over and over to rapt audiences, possibly embroid-
> ering them a little bit more with each telling to make 
> them better stories, is remarkably like the way Joseph
> Campbell assumed myths were written. The self important
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Recent video by Peter Wallace

[RoryGoff]

* * *  Evidently the proprietor has recently moved into 402 North B, the large 
building by the tracks which used to be a health-food store in the 1980's. I 
haven't been there yet, but her old cafe had a lot of great photographs of 
crop-circles on the walls -- you would love it, Nablusoss. I believe (please 
correct me if I am wrong, Alex) the proprietor is the ex-wife of Raja Tom 
Stanley, evoking a twist on David Bowie's famous song: 

"Ground Control to Raja Tom"

This is Raja Tom to Ground Control
I'm stepping through the door
And I'm floating in a most peculiar way
And the stars look very different today...

Here am I floating on my own can
Far above the Moon
Planet Earth is blue
And there's nothing I can do..." 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff"  wrote:
> >
> > * * * We also have a Crop Circle Cafe in town that Peter has probably
> heard of, if not visited, by now :-)
> 
> 
> 108 (!) W Burlington Ave.
> 
> No photos when googled. Must be plenty of cameras in Fairfield, no ?
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Recent video by Peter Wallace

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra  wrote:

> No, this guy is solid in his mystical integrity—even as I challenge anyone to 
> point out a single example where this is true in the case of any other one of 
> Maharishi's living initiators.
> 
> Still, everything you say in response to the video can be seen to be true—but 
> not at the purely intuitive level of my experience. I think my response to 
> Peter Russell and your response to Peter Russell are both valid.

Absolutely.  I can dig both perspectives.  I spend so much time with my nose 
stuck in books about out cognitive gaps and "shaping" in the retelling of 
stories is a big one.  His stories have been shaped with conscious or 
unconscious enthusiasm over many retellings.

But I can certainly remember when tales like his would be inputted directly 
without the speedbumps of skepticism and would serve as more proof that I was 
living on the cusp of something magical. Like I said, just the Maharishi story 
alone might have made it through unscathed, it was just the cumulative effect 
that sent me over.

And I don't mean it as some indictment of the guy personally.  Overcoming a 
stroke is miracle enough and whatever gets him through the night and all.

But I think you may be a bit hard on the many initiator old timers who are 
still just as sincere and every bit as guileless as you imagined him to be.  I 
believe there are a whole bunch of them.  I went to a sidha gathering about 15 
years of no contact and most people have grown up with the ambiguity of their 
spiritual interests and an organization that is kind of a buzzkill.  As the 
token spawn of Satan I was cornered repeatedly by people with unasked for 
confessions of their lack of towing the party line while still keeping their 
pure connection with the part of Maharishi they always loved.  I could see the 
conflicts and how their maturity resolved them in the way we humans balance 
ambiguity. A little denial, a little nudge, nudge, wink, wink, and some clear 
duct tape to hold it all together. 







--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra  wrote:
>
> I get this, Curtis—and I love it. But I will say that Peter Wallace did 
> convince me that all these supernatural coincidences did in fact happen to 
> him around these Big Eastern Boys (and Girls). I watched for the slightest 
> affectation or guile in his story-telling; but in fact it all came out so 
> naturally that I knew he was telling the truth—More than this: at this time 
> (mid to late sixties) the universe did in fact cooperate with Maharishi—and 
> get behind his whole project. That Nature Support thing: did Maharishi just 
> make that up? No, I felt it (Mother is at Home = variant, and even more 
> convincing) to be real. And it *was* very real.
> 
> But then it gradually attenuated—'Nature" withdrew 'her' support from 
> Maharishi, and now, if one feels the state of grace of the TMO, one is forced 
> to conclude: There has been an actual reversal of fortune—because the grace 
> is gone. You could go to an Introductory Lecture in the late seventies and 
> feel the metaphysical buzz. Yeah, the invisible powers in the universe seemed 
> to like TM and Maharishi. But then something happened and now the buzz has 
> all gone. The love has gone. The magic has gone.
> 
> BUT there is Peter Wallace, somehow holding inside himself the more halcyon 
> days of TM and MMY: the reality of what it all *was* is still inside of him. 
> This to me is a kind of miracle. I doubt you would find this reality living 
> inside one other initiator in the world. Why, how, does Peter Wallace become 
> the repository of these more glorious days? I suppose—just a guess 
> here—because we need to remember once what TM and Maharishi were. There was 
> nothing like  subjective estimation of the phenomenon.
> 
> But I detected no attempt by Peter Wallace to make himself special. He *was* 
> special, for the reasons I have given: someone has to keep the whole history 
> of TM and Maharishi and the Movement inside of them—so it can be seen 
> longitudinally, and not just in its decline.
> 
> Consider this thought experiment, Curtis, if you will: Take you at the zenith 
> of your enthusiasm for TM, Maharishi, and the Teaching: If you fell into a 
> coma between that moment (when you were most devoted and keen) and now, and 
> you suddenly woke up and listened to Peter Wallace, what would be your 
> experience? More significantly, if you woke up now and tried to get a bead on 
> where things have gone, how would you go about adjusting to the change 
> between just before your coma and now, September 2011?—and of course you 
> would be informed that Maharishi had died.
> 
> The thing (you might not get this) about you, Curtis, is that miraculously it 
> seems (I have referred to this before) you have regained an almost perfect 
> normalcy—as if you truly were able to expunge the whole reality (whatever you 
> decided you did want to hang aroun

[FairfieldLife] Excuses for avoiding liberation? [was Re: Blissy vs. Happy]

[seventhray1]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price  wrote:

> Like many progressives you're progressive till someone
> offends your sense of what is acceptable.  YOU SEEM TO FORGET,
democracy is NOT about protecting the people we
> agree with, it about protecting the people many of us don't agree
with. Turn a
> liberal over and give them a good shake and out pops a born again neo
con---almost
> every time.

Nicely put.  I am not sure if I agree totally, but a nicely put phrase.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Recent video by Peter Wallace

[seventhray1]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra  wrote:
> By the way, just for the record: I ain't no homo or anything. Got
that?


On the other hand, there ain't "solid" evidence that you're a "breeder" 
(-:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sustainability of TM

[Buck]

Within the TM community evidently there are progressive (secular) Hagelin-ites 
who would like to see people meditating (doing TM) for good reasons as a common 
bond on the one hand, and then the reactionary conservative Bevanistas or 
"Maharishi-saids" on the other hand who fight (often ruthlessly) for their 
doctrine of faith and belief in Maharishi.  

The long-term numbers parsed seem to show the Bevan-nistas to be winning out, 
with progressive TM in a rear-guard decline.  (late 2011)   
http://invincibleamerica.org/tallies.html 

>
> > > > > "All the communes under consideration have as their bond of union 
> > > > > some form of religious belief.  It is asserted by some writers who 
> > > > > theorize about communism that a commune can not exist long without 
> > > > > some fanatical religious thought as its cementing force; while others 
> > > > > assert with equal positiveness that it is possible to maintain a 
> > > > > commune in which the members shall have diverse and diverging beliefs 
> > > > > in religious matters.  It seems to me that both these theories are 
> > > > > wrong; but that it is true that a commune to exist harmoniously, must 
> > > > > be composed of persons who are of one mind upon some question which 
> > > > > to them shall appear so important as to take the place of a religion, 
> > > > > if it is not essentially religious; though it need not be fanatically 
> > > > > held."   -Nordhoff (1875)  
> > > > >
> 
> 
> That paragraph is particularly useful criticism. The communal 'Reason to be'.
> 
> 
> >
> > "These seventy-two communes make but little noise in the world; they live 
> > quiet and peaceful lives, and do not like to admit strangers to their 
> > privacy."  -Nordhoff (1875) 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > "All the communes under consideration have as their bond of union 
> > > > > some form of religious belief.  It is asserted by some writers who 
> > > > > theorize about communism that a commune can not exist long without 
> > > > > some fanatical religious thought as its cementing force; while others 
> > > > > assert with equal positiveness that it is possible to maintain a 
> > > > > commune in which the members shall have diverse and diverging beliefs 
> > > > > in religious matters.  It seems to me that both these theories are 
> > > > > wrong; but that it is true that a commune to exist harmoniously, must 
> > > > > be composed of persons who are of one mind upon some question which 
> > > > > to them shall appear so important as to take the place of a religion, 
> > > > > if it is not essentially religious; though it need not be fanatically 
> > > > > held."   -Nordhoff (1875)  
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > "Moreover- and this is another important consideration- I am satisfied 
> > > > that during its accumulation the Commun(-al)ists enjoyed a greater 
> > > > amount of comfort, and vastly greater security against want and 
> > > > demoralization, than were attained by their neighbors or the 
> > > > surrounding population, with better schools and opportunities of 
> > > > training for their children, and far less exposure for the women, and 
> > > > the aged and infirm."  -Nordhoff (1875)
> > > >
> > > 
> > > "It will be seen that the oldest of these communes have existed for 
> > > eighty years; the youngest cited here for review has been founded 
> > > twenty-two years.  Of all, only two societies remain under their guidance 
> > > of their founders; ...  The common assertion that a commune must break up 
> > > on the death of its founder would thus appear to be erroneous."  
> > > -Nordhoff (1875) 
> > > 
> > >   
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > TM is based on the creative function of the unified field, the vast 
> > > > > > ocean of nothingness.  Physicists are now discovering that the 
> > > > > > universe is made up mostly of dark energy and dark matter.  Both 
> > > > > > account for 96 percent of the total constituent of the universe.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > The predominance of dark energy shows that the vacuum of the 
> > > > > > universe is highly unstable and is fueling the the expansion and 
> > > > > > acceleration of the universe.  In Maharishi-speak, this confirms 
> > > > > > the infinite creativity and dynamism of the unified field.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > By attuning to this unified field, one gains the power of the dark 
> > > > > > energy that science has discovered, which can be experienced in the 
> > > > > > human physiology as "bliss".
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > So, MMY's ideas are very much in keeping with recent scientific 
> > > > > > discoveries.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > As doctrine of faith and belief in Maharishi
> > > > > > > versus
> > > > > > > the practicing of the technique.  
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > A TM-

[FairfieldLife] Another pair of sandals for sale (was Re: Merudanda/Sandals)

[seventhray1]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau  wrote:
>
> Perhaps we all do things differently (though similarly). I did most of
mine in the years after I left, '76-'78. Then pretty much stopped till I
decided to sell the sandals feeling I had done most of it. Perhaps now
there's just a little more to do, triggered by everything that's come up
here and since. Also, he was a much larger part of my life than most.

  Does anyone's death expunge them from the hearts and lives of others?
Or is this irony directed at others or a humorous riff going over my
head or all of the above.

I think there should a Shakesperian type of Maharishi play.  I don't
know if it would be a comedy or a tragedy, but I think these lines would
have a place in it.  Perhaps it can be Mark sitting on rock
outcroppinng, and these are first lines of his soliliqy.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Recent video by Peter Wallace

[merudanda]

no! (scroll down please)

Wondrous to wander through mists!
Parted are bush and stone:
None to the other exists,
Each stands alone.

Many my friends came calling
then, when I lived in the light;
Now that the fogs are falling,
None is in sight.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 
wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff" rorygoff@ wrote:
> >
> > * * * We also have a Crop Circle Cafe in town that Peter has
probably
> heard of, if not visited, by now :-)
>
>
> 108 (!) W Burlington Ave.
> Crop Circle Cafe & Gallery Llc
2279 Rolling Meadows Road, Fairfield, IA 52556-8555


>since you want to visit this love-able town of mystery...
Marlene Martin, M.A., Co-Founder of Crop Circle Café & Gallery in
Fairfield and her daughter discovered crop circles in 2003 and believes
"Crop circles " and "UFOs" are pointing the way toward the coming Golden
Age, and the human metamorphosis that's already underway for the
entire human race.  Humanity as a whole is undergoing an extraordinary
evolutionary leap, both in terms of consciousness and physiology.  This
unique transformational process is the divine plan for the next
adventure of humanity, as we graduate from a world sunk in duality and
limitation, to an abundant world for all that celebrates our unity at
the core of our diversity."
http://demystifying2012.org/
http://cropcirclecafe.org/
"Heaven on earth.  spiritual and material technology.  beyond what you
can imagine, and coming your way soon."   For more information and if
you want to visit her, contact marl...@cropcirclecafe.org
Friday, September 18, 2009 she presented" aerial photography of stunning
formations, research photos, anomalous on-site evidence, and the famous
crop circle documentary Crop Circles: Crossovers from Another
Dimension."
http://www.amazon.com/Crop-Circles-Crossover-Another-Dimension/dp/B000IL\
YZ2K
http://tinyurl.com/3k7z2kl
at the Iowa City Public Library, 123 S. Linn St Peter Wallace could have
seen
http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/40375/Crop_Circles___Crossovers_\
from_another_Dimension_2/
http://tinyurl.com/3fmrsyr
http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/40374/Crop_Circles___Crossovers_\
from_another_Dimension_1/
http://tinyurl.com/3twpn38

A warning- some of the effects described could be chemical reactions-
although it seems to happen too quickly.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9588346

Now.--sorry this old snake that flies with feathers of colors(? ) have
to fly  fly away fly away toward another dimension

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sustainability of TM

[Buck]

> > > > "All the communes under consideration have as their bond of union some 
> > > > form of religious belief.  It is asserted by some writers who theorize 
> > > > about communism that a commune can not exist long without some 
> > > > fanatical religious thought as its cementing force; while others assert 
> > > > with equal positiveness that it is possible to maintain a commune in 
> > > > which the members shall have diverse and diverging beliefs in religious 
> > > > matters.  It seems to me that both these theories are wrong; but that 
> > > > it is true that a commune to exist harmoniously, must be composed of 
> > > > persons who are of one mind upon some question which to them shall 
> > > > appear so important as to take the place of a religion, if it is not 
> > > > essentially religious; though it need not be fanatically held."   
> > > > -Nordhoff (1875)  
> > > >


That paragraph is particularly useful criticism. The communal 'Reason to be'.


>
> "These seventy-two communes make but little noise in the world; they live 
> quiet and peaceful lives, and do not like to admit strangers to their 
> privacy."  -Nordhoff (1875) 
> > 
> > > 
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > "All the communes under consideration have as their bond of union some 
> > > > form of religious belief.  It is asserted by some writers who theorize 
> > > > about communism that a commune can not exist long without some 
> > > > fanatical religious thought as its cementing force; while others assert 
> > > > with equal positiveness that it is possible to maintain a commune in 
> > > > which the members shall have diverse and diverging beliefs in religious 
> > > > matters.  It seems to me that both these theories are wrong; but that 
> > > > it is true that a commune to exist harmoniously, must be composed of 
> > > > persons who are of one mind upon some question which to them shall 
> > > > appear so important as to take the place of a religion, if it is not 
> > > > essentially religious; though it need not be fanatically held."   
> > > > -Nordhoff (1875)  
> > > >
> > > 
> > > "Moreover- and this is another important consideration- I am satisfied 
> > > that during its accumulation the Commun(-al)ists enjoyed a greater amount 
> > > of comfort, and vastly greater security against want and demoralization, 
> > > than were attained by their neighbors or the surrounding population, with 
> > > better schools and opportunities of training for their children, and far 
> > > less exposure for the women, and the aged and infirm."  -Nordhoff (1875)
> > >
> > 
> > "It will be seen that the oldest of these communes have existed for eighty 
> > years; the youngest cited here for review has been founded twenty-two 
> > years.  Of all, only two societies remain under their guidance of their 
> > founders; ...  The common assertion that a commune must break up on the 
> > death of its founder would thus appear to be erroneous."  -Nordhoff (1875) 
> > 
> >   
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > TM is based on the creative function of the unified field, the vast 
> > > > > ocean of nothingness.  Physicists are now discovering that the 
> > > > > universe is made up mostly of dark energy and dark matter.  Both 
> > > > > account for 96 percent of the total constituent of the universe.
> > > > > 
> > > > > The predominance of dark energy shows that the vacuum of the universe 
> > > > > is highly unstable and is fueling the the expansion and acceleration 
> > > > > of the universe.  In Maharishi-speak, this confirms the infinite 
> > > > > creativity and dynamism of the unified field.
> > > > > 
> > > > > By attuning to this unified field, one gains the power of the dark 
> > > > > energy that science has discovered, which can be experienced in the 
> > > > > human physiology as "bliss".
> > > > > 
> > > > > So, MMY's ideas are very much in keeping with recent scientific 
> > > > > discoveries.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As doctrine of faith and belief in Maharishi
> > > > > > versus
> > > > > > the practicing of the technique.  
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > A TM-movement that tests for faith on the one hand, 
> > > > > > or just facilitates its practitioners on the other.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Will the movement be sustaining, 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > what would promote its sustainability?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Are the numbers sustainable as it is?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > What should the TM-Rajas do?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > -Buck
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Recent video by Peter Wallace

[richardwillytexwilliams]

turquoiseb:
> The self important myth-creators are just making 
> sure to write themselves into the myths as prominent
> characters, that's all. :-)
>
LoL! :-)

"for Rama and for those who, by encouraging me to 
write, also became my teachers."
http://www.ramalila.net/RoadTripMind/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Recent video by Peter Wallace

[richardwillytexwilliams]

turquoiseb:
> I've not commented on this video because I haven't
> seen it.
>
You are supposed to view the video BEFORE you post 
your comments. LoL!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sustainability of TM

[Buck]

"These seventy-two communes make but little noise in the world; they live quiet 
and peaceful lives, and do not like to admit strangers to their privacy."  
-Nordhoff (1875) 
> 
> > 
> > >
> > > 
> > > "All the communes under consideration have as their bond of union some 
> > > form of religious belief.  It is asserted by some writers who theorize 
> > > about communism that a commune can not exist long without some fanatical 
> > > religious thought as its cementing force; while others assert with equal 
> > > positiveness that it is possible to maintain a commune in which the 
> > > members shall have diverse and diverging beliefs in religious matters.  
> > > It seems to me that both these theories are wrong; but that it is true 
> > > that a commune to exist harmoniously, must be composed of persons who are 
> > > of one mind upon some question which to them shall appear so important as 
> > > to take the place of a religion, if it is not essentially religious; 
> > > though it need not be fanatically held."   -Nordhoff (1875)  
> > >
> > 
> > "Moreover- and this is another important consideration- I am satisfied that 
> > during its accumulation the Commun(-al)ists enjoyed a greater amount of 
> > comfort, and vastly greater security against want and demoralization, than 
> > were attained by their neighbors or the surrounding population, with better 
> > schools and opportunities of training for their children, and far less 
> > exposure for the women, and the aged and infirm."  -Nordhoff (1875)
> >
> 
> "It will be seen that the oldest of these communes have existed for eighty 
> years; the youngest cited here for review has been founded twenty-two years.  
> Of all, only two societies remain under their guidance of their founders; ... 
>  The common assertion that a commune must break up on the death of its 
> founder would thus appear to be erroneous."  -Nordhoff (1875) 
> 
>   
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > TM is based on the creative function of the unified field, the vast 
> > > > ocean of nothingness.  Physicists are now discovering that the universe 
> > > > is made up mostly of dark energy and dark matter.  Both account for 96 
> > > > percent of the total constituent of the universe.
> > > > 
> > > > The predominance of dark energy shows that the vacuum of the universe 
> > > > is highly unstable and is fueling the the expansion and acceleration of 
> > > > the universe.  In Maharishi-speak, this confirms the infinite 
> > > > creativity and dynamism of the unified field.
> > > > 
> > > > By attuning to this unified field, one gains the power of the dark 
> > > > energy that science has discovered, which can be experienced in the 
> > > > human physiology as "bliss".
> > > > 
> > > > So, MMY's ideas are very much in keeping with recent scientific 
> > > > discoveries.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > As doctrine of faith and belief in Maharishi
> > > > > versus
> > > > > the practicing of the technique.  
> > > > > 
> > > > > A TM-movement that tests for faith on the one hand, 
> > > > > or just facilitates its practitioners on the other.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Will the movement be sustaining, 
> > > > > 
> > > > > what would promote its sustainability?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Are the numbers sustainable as it is?
> > > > > 
> > > > > What should the TM-Rajas do?
> > > > > 
> > > > > -Buck
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sustainability of TM

[Buck]

> 
> >
> > 
> > "All the communes under consideration have as their bond of union some form 
> > of religious belief.  It is asserted by some writers who theorize about 
> > communism that a commune can not exist long without some fanatical 
> > religious thought as its cementing force; while others assert with equal 
> > positiveness that it is possible to maintain a commune in which the members 
> > shall have diverse and diverging beliefs in religious matters.  It seems to 
> > me that both these theories are wrong; but that it is true that a commune 
> > to exist harmoniously, must be composed of persons who are of one mind upon 
> > some question which to them shall appear so important as to take the place 
> > of a religion, if it is not essentially religious; though it need not be 
> > fanatically held."   -Nordhoff (1875)  
> >
> 
> "Moreover- and this is another important consideration- I am satisfied that 
> during its accumulation the Commun(-al)ists enjoyed a greater amount of 
> comfort, and vastly greater security against want and demoralization, than 
> were attained by their neighbors or the surrounding population, with better 
> schools and opportunities of training for their children, and far less 
> exposure for the women, and the aged and infirm."  -Nordhoff (1875)
>

"It will be seen that the oldest of these communes have existed for eighty 
years; the youngest cited here for review has been founded twenty-two years.  
Of all, only two societies remain under their guidance of their founders; ...  
The common assertion that a commune must break up on the death of its founder 
would thus appear to be erroneous."  -Nordhoff (1875) 

  
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
> > >
> > > TM is based on the creative function of the unified field, the vast ocean 
> > > of nothingness.  Physicists are now discovering that the universe is made 
> > > up mostly of dark energy and dark matter.  Both account for 96 percent of 
> > > the total constituent of the universe.
> > > 
> > > The predominance of dark energy shows that the vacuum of the universe is 
> > > highly unstable and is fueling the the expansion and acceleration of the 
> > > universe.  In Maharishi-speak, this confirms the infinite creativity and 
> > > dynamism of the unified field.
> > > 
> > > By attuning to this unified field, one gains the power of the dark energy 
> > > that science has discovered, which can be experienced in the human 
> > > physiology as "bliss".
> > > 
> > > So, MMY's ideas are very much in keeping with recent scientific 
> > > discoveries.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > As doctrine of faith and belief in Maharishi
> > > > versus
> > > > the practicing of the technique.  
> > > > 
> > > > A TM-movement that tests for faith on the one hand, 
> > > > or just facilitates its practitioners on the other.
> > > > 
> > > > Will the movement be sustaining, 
> > > > 
> > > > what would promote its sustainability?
> > > > 
> > > > Are the numbers sustainable as it is?
> > > > 
> > > > What should the TM-Rajas do?
> > > > 
> > > > -Buck
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sustainability of TM

[Buck]

>
> 
> "All the communes under consideration have as their bond of union some form 
> of religious belief.  It is asserted by some writers who theorize about 
> communism that a commune can not exist long without some fanatical religious 
> thought as its cementing force; while others assert with equal positiveness 
> that it is possible to maintain a commune in which the members shall have 
> diverse and diverging beliefs in religious matters.  It seems to me that both 
> these theories are wrong; but that it is true that a commune to exist 
> harmoniously, must be composed of persons who are of one mind upon some 
> question which to them shall appear so important as to take the place of a 
> religion, if it is not essentially religious; though it need not be 
> fanatically held."   -Nordhoff (1875)  
>

"Moreover- and this is another important consideration- I am satisfied that 
during its accumulation the Commun(-al)ists enjoyed a greater amount of 
comfort, and vastly greater security against want and demoralization, than were 
attained by their neighbors or the surrounding population, with better schools 
and opportunities of training for their children, and far less exposure for the 
women, and the aged and infirm."  -Nordhoff (1875)
 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
> >
> > TM is based on the creative function of the unified field, the vast ocean 
> > of nothingness.  Physicists are now discovering that the universe is made 
> > up mostly of dark energy and dark matter.  Both account for 96 percent of 
> > the total constituent of the universe.
> > 
> > The predominance of dark energy shows that the vacuum of the universe is 
> > highly unstable and is fueling the the expansion and acceleration of the 
> > universe.  In Maharishi-speak, this confirms the infinite creativity and 
> > dynamism of the unified field.
> > 
> > By attuning to this unified field, one gains the power of the dark energy 
> > that science has discovered, which can be experienced in the human 
> > physiology as "bliss".
> > 
> > So, MMY's ideas are very much in keeping with recent scientific discoveries.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > >
> > > As doctrine of faith and belief in Maharishi
> > > versus
> > > the practicing of the technique.  
> > > 
> > > A TM-movement that tests for faith on the one hand, 
> > > or just facilitates its practitioners on the other.
> > > 
> > > Will the movement be sustaining, 
> > > 
> > > what would promote its sustainability?
> > > 
> > > Are the numbers sustainable as it is?
> > > 
> > > What should the TM-Rajas do?
> > > 
> > > -Buck
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sustainability of TM

[Buck]

"All the communes under consideration have as their bond of union some form of 
religious belief.  It is asserted by some writers who theorize about communism 
that a commune can not exist long without some fanatical religious thought as 
its cementing force; while others assert with equal positiveness that it is 
possible to maintain a commune in which the members shall have diverse and 
diverging beliefs in religious matters.  It seems to me that both these 
theories are wrong; but that it is true that a commune to exist harmoniously, 
must be composed of persons who are of one mind upon some question which to 
them shall appear so important as to take the place of a religion, if it is not 
essentially religious; though it need not be fanatically held."   -Nordhoff 
(1875)  

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
>
> TM is based on the creative function of the unified field, the vast ocean of 
> nothingness.  Physicists are now discovering that the universe is made up 
> mostly of dark energy and dark matter.  Both account for 96 percent of the 
> total constituent of the universe.
> 
> The predominance of dark energy shows that the vacuum of the universe is 
> highly unstable and is fueling the the expansion and acceleration of the 
> universe.  In Maharishi-speak, this confirms the infinite creativity and 
> dynamism of the unified field.
> 
> By attuning to this unified field, one gains the power of the dark energy 
> that science has discovered, which can be experienced in the human physiology 
> as "bliss".
> 
> So, MMY's ideas are very much in keeping with recent scientific discoveries.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> >
> > As doctrine of faith and belief in Maharishi
> > versus
> > the practicing of the technique.  
> > 
> > A TM-movement that tests for faith on the one hand, 
> > or just facilitates its practitioners on the other.
> > 
> > Will the movement be sustaining, 
> > 
> > what would promote its sustainability?
> > 
> > Are the numbers sustainable as it is?
> > 
> > What should the TM-Rajas do?
> > 
> > -Buck
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Recent video by Peter Wallace

[turquoiseb]

Curtis, I've not commented on this video because I haven't
seen it. It just didn't interest me when I first saw the
link to it, and it still doesn't. So what I'm responding
to below is not anything about Peter Wallace himself or
anything he said or even about TM in particular. You
touched on an interesting 'tude that I've seen across
the entire spiritual smorgasbord, and made some points
that I think are worth reinforcing.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
>
> But my Goddamn unconscious tyrant sent me a memo.  One that 
> I can't refuse, despite the price I pay in euphoria deflation 
> over such a string of wonderful tales of encounters with 
> special, wonderful people.
> 
> So here it is.  Too many perfect coincidences in a row with 
> the same message as the subtext.  And the message is that 
> this person, Peter, is the most wonderfully, specially, 
> coincidentally acknowledged person by each and every special 
> person in his stories without exception.  None of them were 
> met the way I met Maharishi, each one has a story, worthy 
> of standing alone in its magical perfection.  Why did he 
> have to put them all together?  Could he have included even 
> one story that sounded like mine?  One story that didn't 
> have the blessed perfection of a perfectly told story?   
> Could he have shown a bit of literary discipline in what 
> he was serving us?
> 
> OK.  If this is how it all really went down, then he is the 
> single most magically blessed person I have ever heard about, 
> with the ultimate "I hung out with Maharishi before he became 
> Donald Trump" tales. 
> 
> But if you spoke with Maharishi for 6 months and the most 
> interesting thing you have to share is how special you were 
> in how you were acknowledged by him...no details worthy of 
> a person sitting day after day with the guy who was supposed 
> to have figured it all out, the guy who had the answers about 
> the reality of life, the best you can serve up to us is a cool 
> coincidence story about how you knew better than anyone else 
> the Maharishi was gunna show up...that is the most important 
> words out of your mouth...a story not about his insights into 
> reality but how special you were in how you met him...
> 
> and all of this served up in a non-affect monotone serving up 
> exactly zero of the qualities that might encourage me to see 
> how reasonable it is that this is the guy who may be the 
> luckiest guy in the world.  

As I said above, I haven't seen the video, but based on
your description above, I've met the guy and heard his
rap before, many times. True, it may not have been Peter
Wallace himself, but I've seen this mindset before, in 
many other guys and gals. I call it self importance.

And you just nailed it. First, the storytelling is just
too polished and bard-like, as if they've not only told
this story to others for years, they've told it to 
*themselves* for years, over and over, to remind them-
selves how special they really were, to have been able
to hang out so close to an even more special person.

Second, it's the consistent pasting together of coinci-
dences or meaningless, unrelated events interpreted as 
both meaningful and related. Nothing in these stories 
can ever be mundane or random or coincidence; it all
seems to have to be dripping with cosmic importance
and the pre-ordained wonderfulnessitude of it all.

Third, it's the "It all comes down to me" aspect of the
storytelling that's the tell. Not just in the context of
former followers of spiritual teachers telling stories 
about them, but also in the vast canon of spiritual liter-
ature itself. There were chroniclers of spiritual teachers
who managed to tell the story without painting themselves
into every scene. And then there were the vast majority,
who couldn't. There was almost always a "me" element in
the storytelling, presented as if the "me" in question --
the narrator of the story, after all -- was just as 
important and just as special as the spiritual luminary 
being spoken of or written about.

It's been so many years since I was tempted to measure my 
own self worth by my proximity to a "special" person that 
I forget about this whole 'tude, and how prevalent a 
mindset it is in many spiritual communities. Your descrip-
tion reminded me. In a way, I'm thinking that telling these 
stories over and over to rapt audiences, possibly embroid-
ering them a little bit more with each telling to make 
them better stories, is remarkably like the way Joseph
Campbell assumed myths were written. The self important
myth-creators are just making sure to write themselves
into the myths as prominent characters, that's all.  :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Recent video by Peter Wallace

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff"  wrote:
>
> * * * We also have a Crop Circle Cafe in town that Peter has probably
heard of, if not visited, by now :-)


108 (!) W Burlington Ave.

No photos when googled. Must be plenty of cameras in Fairfield, no ?

[FairfieldLife] Re: US protesters rally to occupy Wall Street

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> They were planning to return after dinner but I guess that fizzled out.  
> The cops chased them out of the district.  However there will be more 
> demonstrations tomorrow.  The live stream had problems but it got better 
> through the afternoon.
> http://www.livestream.com/globalrevolution



At least this www.livestream.com has some balls !

http://www.livestream.com/globalrevolution

[FairfieldLife] Re: Blackout: CNN, Fox, and MSNBC Ignore 50,000 US Day Of Rage Protesters

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WilliamG"  wrote:
>
> Looked more like 50 poor losers in Wisconsin egged on by their Union 
> goons.


Goons ? Why not "rats" like Gadhaffi used to call his opponents.

[FairfieldLife] Moss...er..Mosaid: NoWin or YesWin?

[cardemaister]

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-investor/nokia-taps-mosaid-to-handle-huge-patent-trove/article2149827/

[FairfieldLife] Another pair of sandals for sale (was Re: Merudanda/Sandals)

[Ravi Yogi]

Me too, welcome back Mark and hope this goes well.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" 
wrote:
>
>
> I'm with you.  Mark, I hope it goes well for you.
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote:
> >
> > Ditto! I hope they sell way past the reserve.
> > I hope it brings him all that he wishes for!
> > Maybe some zillionaire from India will purchase them?
> > I hope all goes well.
> > This is fun, I am excited for someone to benefit from anything! : )
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7" whynotnow7@
wrote:
> > >
> > > I don't know anything beyond what Mark has shared publicly. I was
> commenting on how we really don't know anything about the potential
> buyers of Mark's sandals, or what he will settle for. I hope he makes
a
> bundle. Why not?
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine 
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Of course there's a lot of people like that,
> > > > Jim~~but so far I've seen no evidence that
> > > > anyone even close to that league is the least
> > > > bit interested. Have you? That's at least one
> > > > thing I meant about dangerous delusions. It
> > > > seems Mark's entire life in the near future is
> > > > being based upon these selling for a significant
> > > > amount. So far the only offers I know of are
> > > > lurk's and yours. Or have I missed something?
> > > > Sal
> > > >
> > > > 2011, at 1:16 PM, whynotnow7 wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > There's a lot of people in the world to whom $70K means
nothing
> - its like spending $100 to you or me. As to the intentions of the
> potential buyer, who knows? Maybe they just like famous shoes. :-)
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb 
> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine
>  wrote:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> On Sep 16, 2011, at 5:06 AM, turquoiseb wrote:
> > > > 
> > > >  I'm hoping that Ted can put my set of flip-flops
> > > >  up for auction at the same time that he puts up
> > > >  Maharishi's sandals, so that I might get some
> > > >  "spillover" traffic from wealthy foot and fraud
> > > >  fetishists. Thanks to you and obbajeeba for
> > > >  suggesting the idea.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> I wonder whatever happened to the idea of,
> > > > >>> if you need $$, getting a job. I think
> > > > >>> Mark is living in a dream-world, perhaps
> > > > >>> even dangerously so, if he thinks these
> > > > >>> decades-old "relics" are going to become
> > > > >>> his salvation.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sustainability of TM

[John]

TM is based on the creative function of the unified field, the vast ocean of 
nothingness.  Physicists are now discovering that the universe is made up 
mostly of dark energy and dark matter.  Both account for 96 percent of the 
total constituent of the universe.

The predominance of dark energy shows that the vacuum of the universe is highly 
unstable and is fueling the the expansion and acceleration of the universe.  In 
Maharishi-speak, this confirms the infinite creativity and dynamism of the 
unified field.

By attuning to this unified field, one gains the power of the dark energy that 
science has discovered, which can be experienced in the human physiology as 
"bliss".

So, MMY's ideas are very much in keeping with recent scientific discoveries.






--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> As doctrine of faith and belief in Maharishi
> versus
> the practicing of the technique.  
> 
> A TM-movement that tests for faith on the one hand, 
> or just facilitates its practitioners on the other.
> 
> Will the movement be sustaining, 
> 
> what would promote its sustainability?
> 
> Are the numbers sustainable as it is?
> 
> What should the TM-Rajas do?
> 
> -Buck
>