date:20131202

RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Twelve Tribes of Israel

2013-12-02 Thread salyavin808

Atlantis is a myth. The only mention of it is in a STORY by Plato. Perhaps it 
refers to a volcano in the Aegean that destroyed the island of Thera 
(Santorini) which affected the entire area. Folk memories would keep a story 
alive.
 

 The mythical elements of a vast civilisation were added later, possibly as a 
warning to us that we are slaves to nature no matter how important we think we 
are.. The new age idea that they were some sort of superior seed civilisation 
was added much later. The UFO/alien myth was added after people invented UFOs 
and aliens. What a creative and fascinating species we are!
 

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 John, I wonder what really happened in Atlantis. They were so evolved but then 
they turned to the dark side. I've heard that's why they were destroyed.
 

 
 
 On Monday, December 2, 2013 11:37 AM, "jr_esq@..."  wrote:
 
   Share,
 

 You might find the ideas of Michael Cremo, who supports the antiquity of the 
vedic civilization, interesting.  In short, he is stating that humans today are 
a product of a devolution from highly evolved  humans in the past.
 

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRZL7tcLgX8 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRZL7tcLgX8

 

 So, IMO Atlantis and its people can be considered as part of this vedic 
civilization.  They were supposedly highly developed in consciousness and 
technology.   
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Richard, John or anyone, where does Atlantis fit into this scenario of 
Sumerians? It seems they were an advanced race with highly developed 
technologies. I've not read much about all this but find it fascinating. I also 
wonder how the ancient Vedic civilization fits in with all this.
 

 
 
 On Monday, December 2, 2013 8:54 AM, Richard J. Williams  
wrote:
 
   
 The idea that human beings are a slave race, forced to work inside a human 
body, owned and operated by an alien or extraterrestrial society, is not a new 
one. The Book of Genesis, based on ideas contained in the Sumerian religion, 
describes an advanced society, which flourished around 3500 B.C. 
 
 Aliens posing as the Gods for a custodial race?
 
 Like other ancient societies, the Sumerians left records stating that 
human-like creatures of extraterrestrial origin had ruled early human society 
as Earth's first monarchs. Those alien people were often thought of as "gods."
 
 Some people believe that a Supreme Being is behind the vicious Machiavellian 
intentions described in the Bible. However, the idea that a "Custodial" race 
posing as a Supreme Being seems to provide a true breakthrough by pointing to a 
brutal technological society, not a Supreme Being, as the more likely source of 
such warlike machinations.
 
 On 12/2/2013 2:22 AM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... wrote:
 
   Santos Bonacci believes that these tribes refer to the twelve signs of the 
zodiac. So, the tribes refer to all human beings who are or were born on earth 
during the 12 months of the year.
 
 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjkyrQcQzEg 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjkyrQcQzEg
 
 
 
 If there are ETs or other human beings in the universe, IMO these entities can 
be classified according to various sectors of the skies that belong to each 
zodiac sign.  Specifically, if there are ETs in the star group of Pleiades, 
they would belong to the sign of Taurus since the star group is located in this 
constellation.

[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: Personhood for Chimps

2013-12-02 Thread salyavin808

"What about those spiritual types, such as realised Zen Buddhists who claim
they have no self."

Exactly who is it doing the claiming?

"Having the human species reduced to the level of chimphood sounds like a
move in the right direction, considering how we behave."

We don't behave much differently from chimps really, the difference is in
intelligence potential, developed culture, sophisticated technology and
abstract language. No animal has shown a remotely similar level of either.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote:

What about those spiritual types, such as realised Zen Buddhists who claim
they have no self. Are they persons? Exactly what is a person? Exxon, legally,
is a person. So is Monsanto. Having the human species reduced to the level of
chimphood sounds like a move in the right direction, considering how we behave.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote:

Before you give rights to chimps you should work out if they are capable of
understanding what is being offered. Anthropomorphism isn't any way to go about
helping wildlife.

Chimps aren't people, they are chimps and they can't fit into our world in the
same way we couldn't fit into theirs. They aren't as "like us" as a lot of
people think. We should only extend personhood to people as they are capable of
learning a language and communicating their needs themselves, with obvious
exceptions.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote:

We're getting there.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/03/science/rights-group-sues-to-have-chimp-recognized-as-legal-person.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/03/science/rights-group-sues-to-have-chimp-recognized-as-legal-person.html?hp

[FairfieldLife] RE: checklist for Hindu & Buddhist programs

2013-12-02 Thread awoelflebater

 
 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Re "On occasion, he would levitate into the air.":
 

 Anyone bother to take a photograph? 
 

 Another corker, good one Seraphita.
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

  rightfor some.  The official RC party line would be that all Eucharists 
are equal in their supposed Transubstantiation component; but practically 
speaking, devotees of Padre Pio crowded into his Church on Mass Days to even 
get a glimpse of him raising the Host in the air and going into a state of 
ecstasy.  On occasion, he would levitate into the air.
 ...
 Offhand, I'd say there's a great variation in the Shakti level of "official" 
TM teachers especially in their performance of the puja.  Of course, those who 
performed thousands of initiations like Jerry, Jessamine Verrill, etc; would 
radiate more Shakti than others.  Charlie was particularly powerful.
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 FWIW, the Eucharist can be a deeply spiritual experience for devout 
Christians, especially Catholics, not so much of the "emotionally enthusiastic" 
sort but more private and internal. 
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 (basic rationale can also be applied to Christianity but without much 
success). ...
 I made a quick inventory of what elements make programs successful, restricted 
to Traditions derived or evolved from (what Westerners call): Hinduism, and 
Buddhism; also inclusive of Indian subcontinent Traditions in which there is no 
expressed allegiance to any other lineage; but which obviously are related to 
typically "religious" groups.  
 ..
 Examples: MMY and the various TM programs: (basically technique oriented with 
ritualistic overtones derived from a "Holy Tradition"; so we include and 
examine this in the light of the checklist I came up with.:
 

 CHECKLIST:
 1. Devotion - to a Guru or Deity
 2. Shakti (ie.is Shakti present ? (You'll have to use your Shakti meter on 
this one!)
 3. Rituals
 4. An ancient language capable of acting as a "carrier" for the Shakti, such 
as Skt, Sino-Japanese, Hebrew, etc...
 5. Mantras: repeated silently, outloud, or as japa
 5b. also includes the mechanism of repeating the mantra such as degree of 
"hard" concentration, etc.
 6. Breathing techniques with activation of the chakras
 7. Group programs available? (may include you-tube presentations)
 8. Regular practices leading to goals
 9. an "elevated" Guru preferably without moral blemish.
 10. Yagyas designed to mitigate bad karma.
 
 Now we can select some groups, then evaluate them in light of the checklist.
 I note - on mantras, MMY's programs are deficient in japa, whereas SSRS 
recommends the repetition of the Gayatri Mantra.  The TMO doesn't object to the 
devotional element, which is up to the individual. On the downside, the TMO may 
likewise miss out on the opportunity to strongly support one devotional icon as 
opposed to others.  On the latter basis coupled with #9, Christianity has 
basically taken over 1/3 of the world without having strong contributions in 
some of the other places.
 ...
 In regard to Christianity, I'd say that on the whole, it's woefully indequate, 
particularly in the Shakti category. However, there's plenty of emotional 
enthusiasm in some of the Christian sections, particularly among the 
Evangelicals.  However, an abundance of emotional enthusiasm is no substitute 
for the Shaki that allows for "transcendence".
 ...
 In my experience, the most intense Shakti site is the Ramakrishna Temple in 
Hollywood, CA.
 ...
 The evil sects can also be evaluated using the checklist, with probable 
failure in the moral development of the leader.  However, even with minor moral 
deficiencies, some Traditions can be quite successful,.up to a point!..
 ...
 http://www.youtube.com/user/RajshriSoul?v=0D3VbBoJBrM 
http://www.youtube.com/user/RajshriSoul?v=0D3VbBoJBrM

[FairfieldLife] RE: Why FFL isn't more interesting, in one graphic

2013-12-02 Thread awoelflebater

 
 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Let me rephrase that: almost everyone on the planet except you knows that the 
TM mantras are the names of the Hindu gods. Wink.
 

 You're still making me laugh. Of COURSE most of the world doesn't know this 
nor do they care. It doesn't make a jot of difference either. Wink,wink.
 
 "For our practice, we select only the suitable mantras of personal Gods. Such 
mantras fetch to us the grace of personal Gods and make us happier in every 
walk of life." - MMY,  Beacon Light of the Himalayas
 
 'Beacon Light of the Himalayas'
 by Maharishi Mahes Yogi
 SRM Publications, 1953
 http://tinyurl.com/ydl84gy http://tinyurl.com/ydl84gy
 
 "...the TM mantras are *not* the names of the Hindu gods. The Hindu gods have 
perfectly good names of their own." - Judy Stein
 
 Subject: Re: do you ever repeat your mantra when you are asleep and dreaming?
 Author: Judy Stein
 Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
 Date: Sat, Dec 17 2005 9:56 am
 http://tinyurl.com/9gxse http://tinyurl.com/9gxse
 
 On 12/2/2013 6:21 PM, emilymaenot@... mailto:emilymaenot@... wrote:
 
 Richard, I am not qualified to answer your response and it means nothing to my 
experience of Judy, if you must know.  I'm a TM outsider, remember?  I *can 
assure you* that the statement "Almost everyone on the planet knows the TM 
mantras are the names of the Hindu gods" is not true.  Smile.

[FairfieldLife] RE: JR, Got Snowshoes?

2013-12-02 Thread awoelflebater

 
 

---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 John, what do you think about a possible jyotish cause of the 2 speed related 
tragedies recently? The train derailment and the fiery crash of Paul Walker.
 

 It doesn't get any better than this.
 

 
 
 On Sunday, December 1, 2013 7:16 PM, "jr_esq@..."  wrote:
 
   Share and Bhairitu,
 

 I checked the Yahoo forecast for San Francisco, CA.  They predicted good 
weather for the entire week.  So, there's no need for snow here.  So, at worst, 
there would probably be a thin coat of frost in the garden early in the 
morning.  No sweat.
 

 By the way, I like bok choy as a vegetable.  It's easy to cook and can fit 
with any main dishes.  I have some in the fridge right now.  But tonight I 
might go to Tommy's Joynt to have their lamb shank dinner entree.  It's the 
best lamb dish I've ever tasted-- for those who have not tried it and are 
thinking of visiting San Francisco in the near future. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Oy, last night at Steal A Gift party I ate a lot of shrimp. Gout just around 
the corner. Tonight my Dad and step Mom took me to a restaurant right across 
the water from the Naval Academy. Lights on the water are so beautiful. Anyway, 
I ordered salmon with mashed cauliflower and baby bok choy. And then we shared 
a banana orange bread pudding. Yum! But I may have to do a light fast when I 
return to the land of the Domers (-:
 

 
 
 On Sunday, December 1, 2013 6:13 PM, Bhairitu  wrote:
 
   
 I've never eaten at PF Chang's as it was always crowded located in Broadway 
Square in shi-shi Walnut Creek.  One nearby Chinese restaurant named the "Zen 
Restaurant" gives you lightly stir fried vegetables on every combination plate. 
 Rotating foods is a good idea I made a shrimp chow mien yesterday for my main 
meal.  Too much turkey! :-D 
 
 On 12/01/2013 02:22 PM, Share Long wrote:
 
   If I eat one more bite of chicken, I think I'm gonna sprout feathers! Mom 
and I went to PF Chang today and she got lettuce wrapped chicken.  Yum, but I'm 
yearning for my quinoa (-:
 
 
 
 
 On Sunday, December 1, 2013 3:13 PM, Bhairitu  
mailto:noozguru@... wrote:
 
   According to the Weather Channel it's supposed to rain in the Bay Area 
 on Tuesday. AND temps are supposed to be in the high 20s overnight (at 
 least around here). That could lead to snow and funny thing is the 
 other night I had a dream about driving in SF in the snow (like Seattle 
 gets). That would be a real mess. Fortunately the Weather Channel's 
 forecasts aren't alway that good.
 
 Much of the US is getting record low temperatures due to the flow of 
 arctic air. Even in the Bay Area we are getting some low over night 
 temps which means that we are getting 4 seasons in one day because it 
 can warm up by late morning. In fact I wore shorts and a t-shirt to the 
 waterfront park and skipped putting on a jacket.
 
 In spite of warming up the parking on the street downtown was fairly 
 empty as was the farmer's market. Maybe buying food was the last thing 
 on folks mind after the Thursday gorge.

RE: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Twelve Tribes of Israel

2013-12-02 Thread awoelflebater

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Yes, Share, that's what happened. Whoever told you that knew exactly how it 
all fell out.
  
 Share pondered:

 > John, I wonder what really happened in Atlantis. They were so evolved but 
 > then they turned 
 > to the dark side. I've heard that's why they were destroyed.

RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Twelve Tribes of Israel

2013-12-02 Thread wgm4u

Duh 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Cynical? Moi? What makes you think I'm cynical? 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Come on Judy, don't be so cynical. You used to be more courteous, what 
happened? Generally, I like you, you like to engage, I like that! :-)

 (BTW, you might like this too, Mr. Hall was the best informed on Atlantis, bar 
none! He basis his observations on his own research)

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBoA1686BQY 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBoA1686BQY

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 Yes, Share, that's what happened. Whoever told you that knew exactly how it 
all fell out.

 Share pondered:

 > John, I wonder what really happened in Atlantis. They were so evolved but 
 > then they turned 
 > to the dark side. I've heard that's why they were destroyed.

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