Re: [FairfieldLife] Alien Earths Could be Weird
Consciousness is created in the brain and there isn't any evidence to suggest otherwise. So there's a bit of faulty logic in thinking that Someone is need to maintain it as it would get along without us just fine. --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote: Share, I don't believe the creation of the universe was due to a random event. That's where Stephen Hawking, Lawrence Krauss and other scientists have failed to understand. They have failed to see the connection between consciousness and matter. In simple terms, space exists because there is Someone who conceived of a length, width, and height and maintains this concept as time progresses. A random quantum fluctuation could not possibly conceive and maintain this concept of space and time. So, how can this random quantum fluctuation start and maintain the universe? IMO, the universe was started by a quantum wave function which contain the embedded information to create the Big Bang, light, space/time, the galaxies, stars, planets, one-celled organisms, living beings including plants, animals and human beings. The DNA is part of the quantum wave function which gets triggered to create the higher forms of life culminating to human beings. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: John, I wish I could find a post from salyavin somewhat recently. It had to do with how life started, the combining of something with something else and it was a random happening, will never happen again kind of thing. Anyway, it speaks to this point about life and its pure randomness. But I also like the holographic idea. On Sunday, February 23, 2014 7:14 PM, jr_esq@... jr_esq@... wrote: Share, I was thinking along the lines of life, including the existence of human beings, as a reflection of the abundance of life in the universe. If this is so, then what are the mechanisms for making this happen at such disparate places. Perhaps the holographic theory of the universe may be true. Also, even if we can detect the existence of humanoids in these exoplanets, is it possible for us to communicate with them or even visit their worlds? At this time, our technology is not advanced enough to make this happen.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Alien Earths Could be Weird
You can't say that it won't happen again but it was a fluke on this planet, but then with so many bacteria sliming about maybe it was bound to happen sooner or later? But it wasn't necessary, there is no grand plan unless it's one that does its best not to look like one! This holographic idea that John has got fixed on doesn't explain how it looks like undirected genetic meandering. Think how many hominid types there have been, they dig up a new one each week, but we are the only survivors with just a slight edge over the Neanderthals. If the ice age were still in full flow would they be the majority humans still? Evolution is as much luck as superiority, being in the right place at the right time goes a long way to survival. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: John, I wish I could find a post from salyavin somewhat recently. It had to do with how life started, the combining of something with something else and it was a random happening, will never happen again kind of thing. Anyway, it speaks to this point about life and its pure randomness. But I also like the holographic idea. On Sunday, February 23, 2014 7:14 PM, jr_esq@... jr_esq@... wrote: Share, I was thinking along the lines of life, including the existence of human beings, as a reflection of the abundance of life in the universe. If this is so, then what are the mechanisms for making this happen at such disparate places. Perhaps the holographic theory of the universe may be true. Also, even if we can detect the existence of humanoids in these exoplanets, is it possible for us to communicate with them or even visit their worlds? At this time, our technology is not advanced enough to make this happen.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Ukraine?
Why should she ? Anyway this is 2000 years ago and much has happened since. It seems she since then had reached Masterhood and is behind many of the miracles that has been happening around the world in the churches. She has also appeared to much larger number of people than she used to.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Alien Earths Could be Weird
PS quantum waves (which aren't really waves) don't carry information, especially information like that! They are information but only have two parameters, speed and mass. They do make up the information (that which distinguishes one thing from another) in the rest of the universe but they don't decide what those things are, that is decided by higher order laws. The big trouble with the idea of information like us being transmitted across space is that everything would need to have been predecided by something and as we are in an evolving system that can't have been the case. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote: Share, I don't believe the creation of the universe was due to a random event. That's where Stephen Hawking, Lawrence Krauss and other scientists have failed to understand. They have failed to see the connection between consciousness and matter. In simple terms, space exists because there is Someone who conceived of a length, width, and height and maintains this concept as time progresses. A random quantum fluctuation could not possibly conceive and maintain this concept of space and time. So, how can this random quantum fluctuation start and maintain the universe? IMO, the universe was started by a quantum wave function which contain the embedded information to create the Big Bang, light, space/time, the galaxies, stars, planets, one-celled organisms, living beings including plants, animals and human beings. The DNA is part of the quantum wave function which gets triggered to create the higher forms of life culminating to human beings. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: John, I wish I could find a post from salyavin somewhat recently. It had to do with how life started, the combining of something with something else and it was a random happening, will never happen again kind of thing. Anyway, it speaks to this point about life and its pure randomness. But I also like the holographic idea. On Sunday, February 23, 2014 7:14 PM, jr_esq@... jr_esq@... wrote: Share, I was thinking along the lines of life, including the existence of human beings, as a reflection of the abundance of life in the universe. If this is so, then what are the mechanisms for making this happen at such disparate places. Perhaps the holographic theory of the universe may be true. Also, even if we can detect the existence of humanoids in these exoplanets, is it possible for us to communicate with them or even visit their worlds? At this time, our technology is not advanced enough to make this happen.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Alien Earths Could be Weird
Where does the theory get us? It gets us to reality. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote: You are placing too much value on the human species. We are probably just a blip in Earth's history. A million years from now something else maybe better will have taken our place. They may only find fossils of our existence. So it goes. Sure, and where does this theory get us? On 02/23/2014 05:14 PM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... wrote: Share, I was thinking along the lines of life, including the existence of human beings, as a reflection of the abundance of life in the universe. If this is so, then what are the mechanisms for making this happen at such disparate places. Perhaps the holographic theory of the universe may be true. Also, even if we can detect the existence of humanoids in these exoplanets, is it possible for us to communicate with them or even visit their worlds? At this time, our technology is not advanced enough to make this happen.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Alien Earths Could be Weird
Exactly where the people who prefer to believe in God and Woo Woo never want to go. What I've never understood is why so many people react so strongly to being considered what they are -- insignificant and ordinary. Seems to me that's the very essence of enlightenment, if it exists. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Alien Earths Could be Weird Where does the theory get us? It gets us to reality. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote: You are placing too much value on the human species. We are probably just a blip in Earth's history. A million years from now something else maybe better will have taken our place. They may only find fossils of our existence. So it goes. Sure, and where does this theory get us? On 02/23/2014 05:14 PM, jr_esq@... wrote: Share, I was thinking along the lines of life, including the existence of human beings, as a reflection of the abundance of life in the universe. If this is so, then what are the mechanisms for making this happen at such disparate places. Perhaps the holographic theory of the universe may be true. Also, even if we can detect the existence of humanoids in these exoplanets, is it possible for us to communicate with them or even visit their worlds? At this time, our technology is not advanced enough to make this happen.
[FairfieldLife] Best TV commercial ever
I got to wondering what Robert Rodriguez was up to, and found that he's busy working on two different projects that both look as if they'll be on my Must Watch list. Both are sequels. The first, co-directed by Frank Miller again, is Sin City 2: A Dame To KIll For, starring Eva Green, Joseph Gordon-Levitt, Eva Green, Juno Temple, Eva Green, Josh Brolin, Eva Green, Jessica Alba, Eva Green, Bruce Willis, Eva Green, Rosario Dawson, Eva Green, Mickey Rourke, and Eva Green is a must-see for what should be obvious reasons. Most gorgeous woman in the world directed by one of my fave directors...what is not to like? The second seems to be From Dusk To Dawn: The Series, with no big-name stars, but it's Rodriquez, so I'll be there. In the meantime, Rodriguez managed to bring his unique talents and filmmaking abilities to a...uh...Nike commercial starring himself, Kobe Bryant, Bruce Willis, and Kanye West. Passed along for those who love Robert Rodriguez movies: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDpp8x70hAI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDpp8x70hAI
Re: [FairfieldLife] Alien Earths Could be Weird
Yes, I love the idea that we are insignificant specks that won't even be noticed by of the rest of the universe. Life on Earth will be a light that flared briefly before returning to darkness, the second law of thermodynamics in all its sinister and inevitable glory. And it makes it all seem so much more precious to me that we seem to have got here self propelled and without any interference from gods or aliens, I get a sense of wonder that is probably the same as everyone elses but don't like ascribing it to whatever without good reason The total perspective vortex that cosmology has turned into would have shocked the theists of old utterly rigid, which is why I feel honoured to be around now when all this stuff is being discovered, it's so much better for being just what it is. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote: Exactly where the people who prefer to believe in God and Woo Woo never want to go. What I've never understood is why so many people react so strongly to being considered what they are -- insignificant and ordinary. Seems to me that's the very essence of enlightenment, if it exists. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Alien Earths Could be Weird Where does the theory get us? It gets us to reality. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote: You are placing too much value on the human species. We are probably just a blip in Earth's history. A million years from now something else maybe better will have taken our place. They may only find fossils of our existence. So it goes. Sure, and where does this theory get us? On 02/23/2014 05:14 PM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... wrote: Share, I was thinking along the lines of life, including the existence of human beings, as a reflection of the abundance of life in the universe. If this is so, then what are the mechanisms for making this happen at such disparate places. Perhaps the holographic theory of the universe may be true. Also, even if we can detect the existence of humanoids in these exoplanets, is it possible for us to communicate with them or even visit their worlds? At this time, our technology is not advanced enough to make this happen.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Alien Earths Could be Weird
I completely agree. I feel completely *inspired* by the randomness of it all, and the fact that it all evolved on its own into as fun a mystery as it did. I honestly don't get those who seem to live for the fantasy that they understand the mystery, or that they've figured it out. Pure unicorn crap, IMO. They don't have any more of a clue than anyone else on this planet ever has, or will ever have. They just like to believe they have because it makes them feel important and keeps their existential angst at bay. But that's the kicker that I really don't understand. WHY would anyone want to be important? What about the grand mystery that is everyday life is not enough for them? All of their attempts to make life seem like more seem to *diminish* the wonder, not celebrate it. Go figure. Especially the idea that all of this was designed or planned by someone/something that is wise and all-knowing and benevolent? Give me a fuckin' break. If the universe we see around us on planet Earth was designed by someone/something, God is either a total incompetent or a sadist or both. I always liked the old counterculture witticism from the 60s: Reality is a crutch for those who can't handle drugs. My version is: God is a crutch for those who can't handle the infinite wonder of reality. :-) From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 11:16 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Alien Earths Could be Weird Yes, I love the idea that we are insignificant specks that won't even be noticed by of the rest of the universe. Life on Earth will be a light that flared briefly before returning to darkness, the second law of thermodynamics in all its sinister and inevitable glory. And it makes it all seem so much more precious to me that we seem to have got here self propelled and without any interference from gods or aliens, I get a sense of wonder that is probably the same as everyone elses but don't like ascribing it to whatever without good reason The total perspective vortex that cosmology has turned into would have shocked the theists of old utterly rigid, which is why I feel honoured to be around now when all this stuff is being discovered, it's so much better for being just what it is. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote: Exactly where the people who prefer to believe in God and Woo Woo never want to go. What I've never understood is why so many people react so strongly to being considered what they are -- insignificant and ordinary. Seems to me that's the very essence of enlightenment, if it exists. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Alien Earths Could be Weird Where does the theory get us? It gets us to reality. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote: You are placing too much value on the human species. We are probably just a blip in Earth's history. A million years from now something else maybe better will have taken our place. They may only find fossils of our existence. So it goes. Sure, and where does this theory get us? On 02/23/2014 05:14 PM, jr_esq@... wrote: Share, I was thinking along the lines of life, including the existence of human beings, as a reflection of the abundance of life in the universe. If this is so, then what are the mechanisms for making this happen at such disparate places. Perhaps the holographic theory of the universe may be true. Also, even if we can detect the existence of humanoids in these exoplanets, is it possible for us to communicate with them or even visit their worlds? At this time, our technology is not advanced enough to make this happen.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Best TV commercial ever
From: turquoi...@yahoo.com turquoi...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 10:59 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Best TV commercial ever ... The first, co-directed by Frank Miller again, is Sin City 2: A Dame To Kill For, starring Eva Green, Joseph Gordon-Levitt, Eva Green, Juno Temple, Eva Green, Josh Brolin, Eva Green, Jessica Alba, Eva Green, Bruce Willis, Eva Green, Rosario Dawson, Eva Green, Mickey Rourke, and Eva Green is a must-see for what should be obvious reasons. Most gorgeous woman in the world directed by one of my fave directors...what is not to like?
[FairfieldLife] Bill Gates Admits to Chemtrails
http://csglobe.com/bill-gates-admits-chemtrails/ http://csglobe.com/bill-gates-admits-chemtrails/
[FairfieldLife] Marshy Gets the Gold
EXCELLENT choice of music to define the moment Marshy had a gold mine dumped into his lap! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-18463979
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Ukraine?
Because she's the mother of God. On Monday, February 24, 2014 2:27 AM, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Why should she ? Anyway this is 2000 years ago and much has happened since. It seems she since then had reached Masterhood and is behind many of the miracles that has been happening around the world in the churches. She has also appeared to much larger number of people than she used to.
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Truth
Thanks, Ann. I tend to come from a perspective of psychological health is good. But I know one spritual teacher, David Deida, who though he thinks it's good too, also thinks that people can love unconditionally even if they're totally screwed up! On Sunday, February 23, 2014 8:02 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: turq, I very much enjoy these statistics and understand what you are saying. However, I think the conclusions need to be a bit more nuanced. Because if a person thinks he or she is insignificant, then they will think other humans are insignificant too. And that often leads to all kinds of problematic behavior. I think what's better is a healthy self regard which promotes growth in regard for others, indeed for all life. I like this post, Share. I believe much of what you say here is true. On Sunday, February 23, 2014 1:55 AM, turquoiseb@... turquoiseb@... wrote: A post for those who claim to value the Truth. Here it is. Now get over your puny self.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Ukraine?
You understand that you're talking about a fictional character, right? From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Ukraine? Because she's the mother of God. On Monday, February 24, 2014 2:27 AM, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Why should she ? Anyway this is 2000 years ago and much has happened since. It seems she since then had reached Masterhood and is behind many of the miracles that has been happening around the world in the churches. She has also appeared to much larger number of people than she used to.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Alien Earths Could be Weird
--- John jr_esq@... wrote: Bhairitu, IMO, human beings already have the physiology to inherit the earth, if not the universe. The key to this inheritance is the ability to gain samadhi and to maintain it at the various lower states of consciousness. A sloka in the Shiva sutras confirms this statement as well as the statements of MMY. This is the reason why MMY stated that TMers can gain the support of Nature in all their activities. IMO, he's saying that, in scientific terms, the human being who is able to function at the highest spacial dimension can attain an automatic command of Nature's operations. As such, whatever he or she wishes and wants come true. IOW, the highest spacial dimension is equivalent to the highest state of consciousness. What MMY has told you is nonsense. Even the highest spatial dimension is not the highest state of consciousness, but just an illusion. Enlightenment is trancending into samadhi which is dimensionless. I bet emptybill knows more than MMY. BTW, are you the old do.rflex??
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Ukraine?
turq, short answer: I believe Mary existed as a real person. Long answer: having been raised Catholic, I find the Mary topic fascinating. And worth questioning if only to benefit the psychological health of girls who wonder if they too will be able to become mothers while remaining virgins. As if one would want to! Anyway, from various readings I've gleaned that there's way more to the story than the Catholic Church is willing to admit. For me, what's important is to question the implied demonization of sexuality. And I admit I bet that demonization was originally done by some early Christian man! Go figure! On Monday, February 24, 2014 6:37 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote: You understand that you're talking about a fictional character, right? From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Ukraine? Because she's the mother of God. On Monday, February 24, 2014 2:27 AM, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Why should she ? Anyway this is 2000 years ago and much has happened since. It seems she since then had reached Masterhood and is behind many of the miracles that has been happening around the world in the churches. She has also appeared to much larger number of people than she used to.
[FairfieldLife] RE: Alien Earths Could be Weird
--- turquoiseb turquoiseb@... wrote: I completely agree. I feel completely *inspired* by the randomness of it all, and the fact that it all evolved on its own into as fun a mystery as it did. I honestly don't get those who seem to live for the fantasy that they understand the mystery, or that they've figured it out. Pure unicorn crap, IMO. They don't have any more of a clue than anyone else on this planet ever has, or will ever have. They just like to believe they have because it makes them feel important and keeps their existential angst at bay. But that's the kicker that I really don't understand. WHY would anyone want to be important? What about the grand mystery that is everyday life is not enough for them? All of their attempts to make life seem like more seem to *diminish* the wonder, not celebrate it. Go figure. The right word is marvel. Especially the idea that all of this was designed or planned by someone/something that is wise and all-knowing and benevolent? Give me a fuckin' break. If the universe we see around us on planet Earth was designed by someone/something, God is either a total incompetent or a sadist or both. I always liked the old counterculture witticism from the 60s: Reality is a crutch for those who can't handle drugs. My version is: God is a crutch for those who can't handle the infinite wonder of reality. :-) From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 11:16 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Alien Earths Could be Weird Yes, I love the idea that we are insignificant specks that won't even be noticed by of the rest of the universe. Life on Earth will be a light that flared briefly before returning to darkness, the second law of thermodynamics in all its sinister and inevitable glory. And it makes it all seem so much more precious to me that we seem to have got here self propelled and without any interference from gods or aliens, I get a sense of wonder that is probably the same as everyone elses but don't like ascribing it to whatever without good reason The total perspective vortex that cosmology has turned into would have shocked the theists of old utterly rigid, which is why I feel honoured to be around now when all this stuff is being discovered, it's so much better for being just what it is. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote: Exactly where the people who prefer to believe in God and Woo Woo never want to go. What I've never understood is why so many people react so strongly to being considered what they are -- insignificant and ordinary. Seems to me that's the very essence of enlightenment, if it exists. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Alien Earths Could be Weird Where does the theory get us? It gets us to reality. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote: You are placing too much value on the human species. We are probably just a blip in Earth's history. A million years from now something else maybe better will have taken our place. They may only find fossils of our existence. So it goes. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote: Sure, and where does this theory get us?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Alien Earths Could be Weird
Nature throws a wide range of mutations into the environment. Many fail to make it, in the process, but some always survive. This gives evolution the versatility and the flexibility to deal with the capricious and erratic, fluctuations in the environment. The tremendous wastage in the evolutionary process should make the ID theorists and Theists realise that their beliefs are bullshit. More than 99% percent of species that ever existed on earth are already extinct. The extinction rate is so high that many evolutionary biologists state that extinction is a natural process in evolution. In that sense, evolution and nature's systems are anti-fragile. You spray DDT, nature immediately spawns the next Gen mosquitos resistant to DDT. You treat an infection with penicillin, and nature immediately spawns the next Gen bacteria resistant to penicillin. --- salyavin no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: You can't say that it won't happen again but it was a fluke on this planet, but then with so many bacteria sliming about maybe it was bound to happen sooner or later? But it wasn't necessary, there is no grand plan unless it's one that does its best not to look like one! This holographic idea that John has got fixed on doesn't explain how it looks like undirected genetic meandering. Think how many hominid types there have been, they dig up a new one each week, but we are the only survivors with just a slight edge over the Neanderthals. If the ice age were still in full flow would they be the majority humans still? Evolution is as much luck as superiority, being in the right place at the right time goes a long way to survival. Share sharelong60@... wrote: John, I wish I could find a post from salyavin somewhat recently. It had to do with how life started, the combining of something with something else and it was a random happening, will never happen again kind of thing. Anyway, it speaks to this point about life and its pure randomness. But I also like the holographic idea. On Sunday, February 23, 2014 7:14 PM, jr_esq@... jr_esq@... wrote: Share, I was thinking along the lines of life, including the existence of human beings, as a reflection of the abundance of life in the universe. If this is so, then what are the mechanisms for making this happen at such disparate places. Perhaps the holographic theory of the universe may be true. Also, even if we can detect the existence of humanoids in these exoplanets, is it possible for us to communicate with them or even visit their worlds? At this time, our technology is not advanced enough to make this happen.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Alien Earths Could be Weird
Actually, classical theists (about the only theologians who were around of old) would have been wowed by the latest cosmological knowledge, but they wouldn't have felt their theism to be the least bit threatened by it. The total perspective vortex that cosmology has turned into would have shocked the theists of old utterly rigid, which is why I feel honoured to be around now when all this stuff is being discovered, it's so much better for being just what it is.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Alien Earths Could be Weird
Not classical theists. The tremendous wastage in the evolutionary process should make the ID theorists and Theists realise that their beliefs are bullshit.
[FairfieldLife] RE: Bill Gates Admits to Chemtrails
that is really scary. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: http://csglobe.com/bill-gates-admits-chemtrails/ http://csglobe.com/bill-gates-admits-chemtrails/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Alien Earths Could be Weird
You are talking about the impersonalistic theists. --- authfriend authfriend@... wrote: Actually, classical theists (about the only theologians who were around of old) would have been wowed by the latest cosmological knowledge, but they wouldn't have felt their theism to be the least bit threatened by it. Salyavin wrote: The total perspective vortex that cosmology has turned into would have shocked the theists of old utterly rigid, which is why I feel honoured to be around now when all this stuff is being discovered, it's so much better for being just what it is.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Ukraine?
All that we actually know is, if Jesus was an actual person, then he had a mother. There are no contemporary references to Jesus. The earliest writings that mention him are the letters of Paul, which are thought to have been written about 50 CE and he does not mention Jesus' mother. The Gospels are of a later date, and here is where the references come in. Except for the observation that the character of Jesus seems to have a distinct personality, there seems to be no corroborating evidence he actually existed, in which case his mother did not exist either. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote: You understand that you're talking about a fictional character, right? From: Share Long sharelong60@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Ukraine? Because she's the mother of God. On Monday, February 24, 2014 2:27 AM, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Why should she ? Anyway this is 2000 years ago and much has happened since. It seems she since then had reached Masterhood and is behind many of the miracles that has been happening around the world in the churches. She has also appeared to much larger number of people than she used to.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Deification and the Uncreated Engergies of God
A particular discussion of which I am part = one of Xeno's repeated attempts to force me to respond to him so he can accuse me of lying when I said what he quotes (an utterly absurd canard he picked up from Barry). His twisted, malevolent dishonesty is quite amazing in a person who has publicly asserted his freedom from such entanglements--when he is actually helpless even to unpress his own buttons. He pretends to need a reference for my I could have sworn... post when in fact he knows precisely which very recent post I'm talking about. And he got the number of the post he quotes wrong (deliberately?). Here's the right one: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/358537 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/358537 Note that his belligerent fury is at my response to his own knowingly false accusations about my purported pattern of deviousness and lack of integrity--which he himself admitted he could not document. In a subsequent post, I addressed his misrepresentation of what he quotes me as saying: I said I wouldn't discuss anything with you unless you withdraw your accusations (you can't document them because they're patently not true). I didn't say I wouldn't comment if I found it appropriate to do so (e.g., if you make any more false or insulting statements about me, I may respond to them). But your accusations, as long as they're on the table, have effectively foreclosed on the possibility of our having a friendly discussion of philosophy or science or music or any other neutral topic. You could have sworn (reference please) but I do not think that is it. In post #358357, 22 September 2013 you said: Why don't you fuck off? I'm not going to discuss anything with you until you've documented your accusations, or withdrawn them. Because those accusations have not been withdrawn, nor documented you, cannot enter into a discussion with me without having lied. You seem to skirt the edges of this pronouncement rather closely, by talking about me in the third person, by attempting to 'comment' to appear as if you are not involving yourself in a particular discussion of which I am part. The lengths to which you go to 'prove' you are the paragon of truth and honesty are beyond credulity. Advertising simply cannot cover up the basic fact of the matter. I could have sworn I made it clear I wasn't at all interested in commenting on what Xeno had to say unless he deliberately misrepresented me or something I said. If anyone else happens to be curious about the answers to the questions he asks, let me know.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Alien Earths Could be Weird
I am talking about what are commonly known as classical theists, the mainstream theologians from Aristotle to very recent times. You are talking about the impersonalistic theists. --- authfriend authfriend@... wrote: Actually, classical theists (about the only theologians who were around of old) would have been wowed by the latest cosmological knowledge, but they wouldn't have felt their theism to be the least bit threatened by it. Salyavin wrote: The total perspective vortex that cosmology has turned into would have shocked the theists of old utterly rigid, which is why I feel honoured to be around now when all this stuff is being discovered, it's so much better for being just what it is.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Alien Earths Could be Weird
Could you cite some examples? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: Not classical theists. The tremendous wastage in the evolutionary process should make the ID theorists and Theists realise that their beliefs are bullshit.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Ukraine?
It's also worth mentioning that the historical Jesus and The Christ are two different persons, a huge misunderstanding fuelled by the ignorance of Church-leaders. According to esoteric information Jesus was indeed born naturally like everyone else by Mary who had the point degree of evolution of 2,2 at her time of death. She is now fully enlightened and works closely with her son Jesus and with The Christ, now known as Maitreya, the oldest and most experienced individual in the Hierarchy of Masters.
[FairfieldLife] Fwd: FP's Situation Report: Hackers may have snagged credit card #s from Pentagon employees; Budget day at the Pentagon; What is a toggle?; U.S. working to aid Ukraine; How fake poke
---BeginMessage--- Monday, February 24, 2014 FP's Situation Report: Hackers may have snagged credit card #s from Pentagon employees It's a big budget day at the Pentagon. Today Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel unveils a $496 billion budget almost exactly a year after he arrived at the Pentagon, a budget that reflects the true post-war thinking of the Defense Department after more than 12 years of war. Hagel's budget includes dozens of decisions, including changes that "slow the growth" to military compensation in the future, but really can't be described as cuts, a senior defense official told Situation Report today. A year ago, the Pentagon was criticized because the administration told it not to plan for sequestration since no one thought it would really happen. The budget deal in December prevented sequestration this year. However, if sequestration returns, the budget Hagel is proposing today will have a built-in feature essentially to allo w Pentagon bean counters to reduce funding for the budget overall and for individual programs. "We've done the work that will show exactly what we're prepared to do should sequestration come back," a senior defense official told Situation Report. What's a "toggle?" It's the internal word Pentagon folks are using to describe a program that may have to "toggle" from the proposed funding figure to a sequestration-level spending amount. Will there be a separate part of the budget for overseas operations - a war budget? Nope. Still waiting on resolution to the security agreement issue with Afghanistan. Pentagon budget marks historic shift in US priorities abroad. The NYT's Thom Shanker and Helene Cooper: "Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel plans to shrink the United States Army to its smallest force since before the World War II buildup and eliminate an entire class of Air Force attack jets in a new spending proposal that officials describe as the first Pentagon budget to aggressively push the military off the war footing adopted after the terror attacks of 2001... The new American way of war will be underscored in Mr. Hagel's budget, which protects money for Special Operations forces and cyberwarfare. And in an indication of the priority given to overseas military presence that does not require a l and force, the proposal will - at least for one year - maintain the current number of aircraft carriers at 11." Read more here.For military compensation growth, it's the end of an era: The budget Hagel reveals today will reflect limits on military pay raises, higher fees for health-care benefits and less generous housing allowances, per the WSJ's Don Nissenbaum and Julian E. Barnes: "...Faced with steadily increasing military personnel costs that threaten to overwhelm an ever-tighter budget, Mr. Hagel is also expected to include a one-year freeze on raises for top military brass-a gesture meant to show that the best-compensated leaders also will make sacrifices. "...Pentagon officials say that they recognize the political realities, but emphasize that declining military spending makes trimming costs even more important this year." Personnel costs reflect some 50% of the Pentagon budget and cannot be exempted in the context of the significant cuts the department is facing," said Adm. John Kirby, the Defense Department's top spokesman. "Secretary Hagel has been clear that, while we do not want to, we ultimately must slow the growth of military pay and compensation."Veterans organizations are expected to oppose many of the proposals. Joe Davis, a spokesman for the Veterans of Foreign Wars, said veterans groups understand there is a "finite amount of money," but would like to see the Pentagon focus more on other cost cuts it is seeking, such as closing unnecessary bases and scaling back weapons programs, rather than targeting personnel costs ." More here.FYI, Big meeting: Hagel is meeting with veterans service organizations today to discuss the budget and military compensation issues and essentially ask veterans groups to help him socialize a budget that does reduce compensation for the military over time to help make it more sustainable, Situation Report is told."The very key thing, from the start, the promise that Secretary Hagel made to the chiefs - as we make changes to military compensation, we will reinvest them back into the force - we're not going to take cuts and send them over to something completely different in the government," a senior defense official told Situation Report. New subject: On the Pentagon's big budget day, something quick you didn't know that has nothing to do with the budget: Situation Report has learned that Pentagon police are investigating possible credit card fraud inside the Building that could affect anyone who has used a credit card at any of the Pentagon's shops or restaurants within the last three months. From a message sent
[FairfieldLife] RE: Bill Gates Admits to Chemtrails
Indeed it is. It seems aluminum is the most important ingredient in the chemtrail, yet the Californians wonder why they are stricken with drought. Like the Americans say: Go figure !
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Truth
Who, then, is doing the unconditional loving, in those cases? It is a very strange thing to assert, since it is conditioning which prevents unconditional love, in the first place. Perhaps he is merely mentioning the old saw, to not wait for full enlightenment, to begin living a full life, and that is always good advice. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Thanks, Ann. I tend to come from a perspective of psychological health is good. But I know one spritual teacher, David Deida, who though he thinks it's good too, also thinks that people can love unconditionally even if they're totally screwed up! On Sunday, February 23, 2014 8:02 PM, awoelflebater@... awoelflebater@... wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: turq, I very much enjoy these statistics and understand what you are saying. However, I think the conclusions need to be a bit more nuanced. Because if a person thinks he or she is insignificant, then they will think other humans are insignificant too. And that often leads to all kinds of problematic behavior. I think what's better is a healthy self regard which promotes growth in regard for others, indeed for all life. I like this post, Share. I believe much of what you say here is true. On Sunday, February 23, 2014 1:55 AM, turquoiseb@... turquoiseb@... wrote: A post for those who claim to value the Truth. Here it is. Now get over your puny self.
[FairfieldLife] RE: The Truth
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Thanks, Ann. I tend to come from a perspective of psychological health is good. But I know one spritual teacher, David Deida, who though he thinks it's good too, also thinks that people can love unconditionally even if they're totally screwed up! But the first point in your initial post you made was where I think you were closer to the truth: if you view yourself as inconsequential, as insignificant and therefore as something without merit or relative worth just because of the fact that there are billions of other people and stars and planets, then this is short sighted. And not only that, it is failing to take in the power that even one atom can contain let alone the billions of atoms that make up each human being or rock or leaf. And what makes up consciousness? How big or little is the entity or force that allows for that? And look how powerful that can be. One thought can impact millions of people. But your point was if we don't honor and cherish ourselves then how can we truly look on others as being worthy of such? This is when the world is in danger of breaking down into entropy and lovelessness. Where no one respects or values what anyone else does let alone values that fact that others live and breath in the same space. No, to hold within one's awareness that we are all puny, insignificant nothings is to waste and cheapen the experience of living. On Sunday, February 23, 2014 8:02 PM, awoelflebater@... awoelflebater@... wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: turq, I very much enjoy these statistics and understand what you are saying. However, I think the conclusions need to be a bit more nuanced. Because if a person thinks he or she is insignificant, then they will think other humans are insignificant too. And that often leads to all kinds of problematic behavior. I think what's better is a healthy self regard which promotes growth in regard for others, indeed for all life. I like this post, Share. I believe much of what you say here is true. On Sunday, February 23, 2014 1:55 AM, turquoiseb@... turquoiseb@... wrote: A post for those who claim to value the Truth. Here it is. Now get over your puny self.
[FairfieldLife] Swami Vivekananda’s Encounters with Christian Missionaries
http://www.hinduhistory.info/swami-vivekanandas-encounters-with-christian-missionaries/ http://www.hinduhistory.info/swami-vivekanandas-encounters-with-christian-missionaries/
Re:: [FairfieldLife] Re: New member in the family
Greetings all, I am Sanyam shrivastava, a new member in the family. I am from Bhopal, in India. I practice regular meditation, and to a large scale, have attained third eye meditation. I am an Astronomer, but at the same time i am into Spirituality. I know that sounds contradictory. Anyway, i would like to know, what are the basic discussions covered in this group? :) Thanks in advance
[FairfieldLife] Re: Deification and the Uncreated Engergies of God
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: A particular discussion of which I am part = one of Xeno's repeated attempts to force me to respond to him so he can accuse me of lying when I said what he quotes (an utterly absurd canard he picked up from Barry). His twisted, malevolent dishonesty is quite amazing in a person who has publicly asserted his freedom from such entanglements--when he is actually helpless even to unpress his own buttons. He pretends to need a reference for my I could have sworn... post when in fact he knows precisely which very recent post I'm talking about. And he got the number of the post he quotes wrong (deliberately?). Here's the right one: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/358537 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/358537 This is precisely the post I mentioned (#358357) for in post #374410 I wrote: ' In post #358357, 22 September 2013 you said: Why don't you fuck off? I'm not going to discuss anything with you until you've documented your accusations, or withdrawn them.' So the statement above that I quoted the wrong quote is a direct unvarnished lie, unless you admit to having made a mistake. Note that his belligerent fury is at my response to his own knowingly false accusations about my purported pattern of deviousness and lack of integrity--which he himself admitted he could not document. The above in red is an example of your deviousness, for the most part it is the observation of your pattern of behaviour, and you tend to be more subtle than the blatant example above. In a subsequent post, I addressed his misrepresentation of what he quotes me as saying: I was not referring to this one below (though there was a one-sided discussion about it at the time) but commenting on a post is a sly (sly = devious here) way of entering the discussion without directly saying that is what you are doing. Having said what you said, of course I have been baiting you to see if you would slip up more directly and actually directly respond to me rather than tangentially. If that makes me a bad person, so be it. But someone who proclaims honesty so vociferously really should be tested for veracity continually. I said I wouldn't discuss anything with you unless you withdraw your accusations (you can't document them because they're patently not true). I didn't say I wouldn't comment if I found it appropriate to do so (e.g., if you make any more false or insulting statements about me, I may respond to them). But your accusations, as long as they're on the table, have effectively foreclosed on the possibility of our having a friendly discussion of philosophy or science or music or any other neutral topic. You could have sworn (reference please) but I do not think that is it. In post #358357, 22 September 2013 you said: Why don't you fuck off? I'm not going to discuss anything with you until you've documented your accusations, or withdrawn them. Because those accusations have not been withdrawn, nor documented you, cannot enter into a discussion with me without having lied. You seem to skirt the edges of this pronouncement rather closely, by talking about me in the third person, by attempting to 'comment' to appear as if you are not involving yourself in a particular discussion of which I am part. The lengths to which you go to 'prove' you are the paragon of truth and honesty are beyond credulity. Advertising simply cannot cover up the basic fact of the matter. I could have sworn I made it clear I wasn't at all interested in commenting on what Xeno had to say unless he deliberately misrepresented me or something I said. If anyone else happens to be curious about the answers to the questions he asks, let me know.
[FairfieldLife] RE: Ukraine?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote: You understand that you're talking about a fictional character, right? You may be right but the place that you're asserting this from is wrong, as usual. From: Share Long sharelong60@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Ukraine? Because she's the mother of God. On Monday, February 24, 2014 2:27 AM, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Why should she ? Anyway this is 2000 years ago and much has happened since. It seems she since then had reached Masterhood and is behind many of the miracles that has been happening around the world in the churches. She has also appeared to much larger number of people than she used to.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Swami Vivekananda’s Encounters with Christian Missionaries
Thanks for posting that Nabby - its very interesting and contains a perfect description of the TM True Believers: “Ever steeped in the darkness of ignorance, yet considering themselves wise and learned, the fools go round and round, staggering to and fro like the blind led by the blind.” On Mon, 2/24/14, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Swami Vivekananda’s Encounters with Christian Missionaries To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, February 24, 2014, 2:25 PM http://www.hinduhistory.info/swami-vivekanandas-encounters-with-christian-missionaries/
[FairfieldLife] RE: Bill Gates Admits to Chemtrails
Cloud seeding with silver iodide has been going on for decades, without much concern. The reason we are in a drought is due directly to global warming, probably aided by our huge population growth, and consequent (warm) pollution. We have a high pressure zone sitting on top of California, which prevents the normal Pacific current from bringing us our Winter water. I have noticed the Pacific current, which runs the length of California's coast, has been warming up for about a decade. It was only a matter of time before the land began to retain enough heat, in the Winter, to create a high pressure system, as is commonly produced here, in the Summer months. So, we are in a severe drought. I am not sure how we escape the cycle, at this point. Desalination plants are a good (very expensive) idea for the longer term, though I am not sure that even those can supply enough water for agriculture. A Chinese curse comes to mind: May you live in interesting times. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Indeed it is. It seems aluminum is the most important ingredient in the chemtrail, yet the Californians wonder why they are stricken with drought. Like the Americans say: Go figure !
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Ukraine?
No one is the mother of God. Why do you think God has a mother ? Mary is the mother of Jesus from Nazareth, a senior Master in the Hierarchy of Masters.
Re:: [FairfieldLife] Re: New member in the family
Ha ha ha ha ha ha! It will be interesting see who tells you what - its supposed to be a wide ranging forum for discussion of pretty much everything especially spirituality. But since the group was created by Rick Archer a former TM teacher much of the discussions revolve around transcendental meditation - its effects, the organization that teaches it and whether or not its all legit. Other topics range from who is watching what on tv to the latest on crop circles and what godman is scamming someone today. Welcome to the group. What exactly is third eye meditation anyway? On Mon, 2/24/14, Sanyam Shrivastava starastronomy...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re:: [FairfieldLife] Re: New member in the family To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, February 24, 2014, 2:28 PM Greetings all, I am Sanyam shrivastava, a new member in the family. I am from Bhopal, in India. I practice regular meditation, and to a large scale, have attained third eye meditation. I am an Astronomer, but at the same time i am into Spirituality. I know that sounds contradictory. Anyway, i would like to know, what are the basic discussions covered in this group? :) Thanks in advance
[FairfieldLife] RE: Obama, TMSP for Buck and Nabby
Dear MJ, You paint with way too broad a brush and with too much paint. You are being way too myopic and out of touch with TM. There are times when the world asks ordinary men to do extraordinary things. “Which would you rather experience: living the paradox or understanding it to your satisfaction?” Not either position is mutually exclusive or that there is a third possibility of both. -Buck in the Dome
Re: [FairfieldLife] Alien Earths Could be Weird
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote: Exactly where the people who prefer to believe in God and Woo Woo never want to go. What I've never understood is why so many people react so strongly to being considered what they are -- insignificant and ordinary. Seems to me that's the very essence of enlightenment, if it exists. Insignificant and ordinary are relative terms. Like I've said many times here: nothing for me is insignificant and ordinary. Everything I see and touch and feel in a day are little miracles, are astounding in some way. Whether this is reality or not is inconsequential to me. Whether this means you approve or not is of no importance to me. You live in your world and I will continue to live in mine. You are extremely judgmental, as if you care what others think and do, which of course you do, but fail to admit to. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Alien Earths Could be Weird Where does the theory get us? It gets us to reality. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote: You are placing too much value on the human species. We are probably just a blip in Earth's history. A million years from now something else maybe better will have taken our place. They may only find fossils of our existence. So it goes. Sure, and where does this theory get us? On 02/23/2014 05:14 PM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... wrote: Share, I was thinking along the lines of life, including the existence of human beings, as a reflection of the abundance of life in the universe. If this is so, then what are the mechanisms for making this happen at such disparate places. Perhaps the holographic theory of the universe may be true. Also, even if we can detect the existence of humanoids in these exoplanets, is it possible for us to communicate with them or even visit their worlds? At this time, our technology is not advanced enough to make this happen.
[FairfieldLife] RE: Bill Gates Admits to Chemtrails
Interesting indeed. Does this mean you do not believe the American government is spraying with chemicals, that the whole chem-trail business is simply paranoia ?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Deification and the Uncreated Engergies of God
On 2/24/2014 8:31 AM, anartax...@yahoo.com wrote: So the statement above that I quoted the wrong quote is a direct unvarnished lie, unless you admit to having made a mistake. So, let's set the record straight: which is the correct quote?
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Ukraine?
Nablusoss, I was raised Catholic and taught that Jesus is second Person of the Trinity. I don't think about it much anymore but I guess it's still there in the old chit (-: On Monday, February 24, 2014 8:35 AM, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: No one is the mother of God. Why do you think God has a mother ? Mary is the mother of Jesus from Nazareth, a senior Master in the Hierarchy of Masters.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Deification and the Uncreated Engergies of God
Neo appears to have eaten my first try at a response, so here goes again... From Xeno's post: And he got the number of the post he quotes wrong (deliberately?). Here's the right one: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/358537 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/358537 This is precisely the post I mentioned (#358357) I don't think Xeno is so stupid as to attempt a direct, unvarnished lie, but that he wouldn't look carefully enough to see his own mistake and would instead try to blame it on me is one more sign that his inability to unpush his buttons is scrambling his brains.
Re: : [FairfieldLife] Re: New member in the family
Welcome, Sanyam. There are others here who are fascinated by astronomy and cosmology, even jyotish! It's like a banquet table full of wonderful foods. It's possible to enjoy what you like and leave the rest for someone else. On Monday, February 24, 2014 8:30 AM, Sanyam Shrivastava starastronomy...@yahoo.com wrote: Greetings all, I am Sanyam shrivastava, a new member in the family. I am from Bhopal, in India. I practice regular meditation, and to a large scale, have attained third eye meditation. I am an Astronomer, but at the same time i am into Spirituality. I know that sounds contradictory. Anyway, i would like to know, what are the basic discussions covered in this group? :) Thanks in advance
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Obama, TMSP for Buck and Nabby
you're full of it Buck, its a straight on question. Fact: The TMO took credit for Obama's election. Does that then mean that the TMO needs to take credit for what Obama does while in office like Obama's tendency to give the bankers, hedge fund managers and energy companies anything they want? You won't answer because you know the idea of group TMSP having an effect on the world at large in the way the TMO asserts doesn't stand up to logical thinking. On Mon, 2/24/14, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Obama, TMSP for Buck and Nabby To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, February 24, 2014, 2:37 PM Dear MJ, You paint with way too broad a brush and with too much paint. You are being way too myopic and out of touch with TM. There are times when the world asks ordinary men to do extraordinary things. “Which would you rather experience: living the paradox or understanding it to your satisfaction?” Not either position is mutually exclusive or that there is a third possibility of both. -Buck in the Dome
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Ukraine?
On 2/23/2014 10:04 PM, Michael Jackson wrote: you are trying to say the protesters were sidhas? How else do you account for the fact that the Orange Revolution in Ukraine was mostly non-violent? From what I've read, there are hundreds if not thousands of TMers in Ukraine and other parts of Europe.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Ukraine?
On 2/23/2014 10:09 PM, Michael Jackson wrote: He says the violence is part of a strategy devised by right-wing groups Now the Sochi Games are over, Western governments are concerned the smile will disappear and the gloves come off in Russia's tug-of-war with Europe over the fate of Ukraine. Reuters: http://tinyurl.com/k4zfv5f
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Deification and the Uncreated Engergies of God
Richard, I think we got our signals crossed. I was thinking of the quote Judy originally made about not discussing anything with me, and Judy was probably thinking of the quote she subsequently made when she responded to me (where she tried to worm around not being able to respond to me without lying by 'commenting' on what I wrote), so the 'best' interpretation is we both misconstrued the specific item each thought the other was referring to. I rather like her not being able to respond to me directly because then she has to act just like Barry does when he mentions her, she takes on Barry's method of tangential interaction, modeling her adversary in form and style, for as she considers him the most nefarious of liars, voilá, Nothing could be more ironic (in the sense that this is a state of affairs that is the reverse of what was desired). Judy has become the very image of her nemesis, except perhaps she has no heart at all, whereas Barry shows definite signs of normal humanness when not confronting Judy. Judy's snarkiness, as you put it, seems to be a well defined character trait she has that Barry does not have. That does not mean Barry is Mr. Nice with a halo by comparison, he can grind people's heads to powder with the best of them (that is a reference to Krishna in the BG by the way). I recall you posting a number of items with Classical orchestras. Here is one of my favorite pieces: http://youtu.be/qPl2LUq-vpw http://youtu.be/qPl2LUq-vpw ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote: On 2/24/2014 8:31 AM, anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... wrote: So the statement above that I quoted the wrong quote is a direct unvarnished lie, unless you admit to having made a mistake. So, let's set the record straight: which is the correct quote?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Deification and the Uncreated Engergies of God
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: Neo appears to have eaten my first try at a response, so here goes again... From Xeno's post: And he got the number of the post he quotes wrong (deliberately?). Here's the right one: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/358537 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/358537 This is precisely the post I mentioned (#358357) I don't think Xeno is so stupid as to attempt a direct, unvarnished lie, but that he wouldn't look carefully enough to see his own mistake and would instead try to blame it on me is one more sign that his inability to unpush his buttons is scrambling his brains. Oh, the difference a 3 and a 5 can make and placement is everything. And Bawwy claims anything littler than a billion stars isn't important...
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Obama, TMSP for Buck and Nabby
On 2/24/2014 9:56 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: Obama's tendency to give the bankers, hedge fund managers and energy companies anything they want? Has it been established that Obama has a tendency to give the bankers, hedge fund managers and energy companies anything they want?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Deification and the Uncreated Engergies of God
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote: Richard, I think we got our signals crossed. I was thinking of the quote Judy originally made about not discussing anything with me, and Judy was probably thinking of the quote she subsequently made when she responded to me (where she tried to worm around not being able to respond to me without lying by 'commenting' on what I wrote), so the 'best' interpretation is we both misconstrued the specific item each thought the other was referring to. I rather like her not being able to respond to me directly because then she has to act just like Barry does when he mentions her, she takes on Barry's method of tangential interaction, modeling her adversary in form and style, for as she considers him the most nefarious of liars, voilá, Nothing could be more ironic (in the sense that this is a state of affairs that is the reverse of what was desired). Judy has become the very image of her nemesis, except perhaps she has no heart at all, whereas Barry shows definite signs of normal humanness when not confronting Judy. Judy's snarkiness, as you put it, seems to be a well defined character trait she has that Barry does not have. That does not mean Barry is Mr. Nice with a halo by comparison, he can grind people's heads to powder with the best of them (that is a reference to Krishna in the BG by the way). Barry is an emotional, intellectual and socially inept slob. I recall you posting a number of items with Classical orchestras. Here is one of my favorite pieces: http://youtu.be/qPl2LUq-vpw http://youtu.be/qPl2LUq-vpw ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote: On 2/24/2014 8:31 AM, anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... wrote: So the statement above that I quoted the wrong quote is a direct unvarnished lie, unless you admit to having made a mistake. So, let's set the record straight: which is the correct quote?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Deification and the Uncreated Engergies of God
Ann, you are right. I am showing slight signs of dyslexia these days. So this mess is my fault. Thanks for pointing this out. I have not gone over the previous posts, but if the error is in those as well, my apologies to Judy. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: Neo appears to have eaten my first try at a response, so here goes again... From Xeno's post: And he got the number of the post he quotes wrong (deliberately?). Here's the right one: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/358537 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/358537 This is precisely the post I mentioned (#358357) I don't think Xeno is so stupid as to attempt a direct, unvarnished lie, but that he wouldn't look carefully enough to see his own mistake and would instead try to blame it on me is one more sign that his inability to unpush his buttons is scrambling his brains. Oh, the difference a 3 and a 5 can make and placement is everything. And Bawwy claims anything littler than a billion stars isn't important...
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Truth
But Doc, is it conditioning that is preventing unconditional love. Or is it the belief that conditioning is preventing unconditional love that is the real culprit?! PS I find David Deida to be a very profound thinker so I take to heart what he says. On Monday, February 24, 2014 8:20 AM, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com wrote: Who, then, is doing the unconditional loving, in those cases? It is a very strange thing to assert, since it is conditioning which prevents unconditional love, in the first place. Perhaps he is merely mentioning the old saw, to not wait for full enlightenment, to begin living a full life, and that is always good advice. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Thanks, Ann. I tend to come from a perspective of psychological health is good. But I know one spritual teacher, David Deida, who though he thinks it's good too, also thinks that people can love unconditionally even if they're totally screwed up! On Sunday, February 23, 2014 8:02 PM, awoelflebater@... awoelflebater@... wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: turq, I very much enjoy these statistics and understand what you are saying. However, I think the conclusions need to be a bit more nuanced. Because if a person thinks he or she is insignificant, then they will think other humans are insignificant too. And that often leads to all kinds of problematic behavior. I think what's better is a healthy self regard which promotes growth in regard for others, indeed for all life. I like this post, Share. I believe much of what you say here is true. On Sunday, February 23, 2014 1:55 AM, turquoiseb@... turquoiseb@... wrote: A post for those who claim to value the Truth. Here it is. Now get over your puny self.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Alien Earths Could be Weird
I could have answered this last night but as I often do decided to see how others responded to the idea or your question. My immediate response would have been the same as salyavin's: it gets us to reality. But then their is Jr's interest in finding other humanoid species to communicate with. What about learning to communicate with the other intelligent species we have right here on earth? We know that dolphins and whales are very intelligent and I don't think they are our inferiors just because they don't build tall buildings or use computers (though given a proper interface they might). And then there was the news item the other day that dogs brains are wired like human brains. Or that cats see humans as just bigger cats. IOW, we are just beginning to understand our fellow creatures. Or as a computer scientist I enjoy seeing the predictable discoveries made trying to create intelligent machines. Just the other day I was reading about the robots which can build something with minimal intelligence just emulating how termites build their mounds. I would take it a step further to say that insects are nothing more than organic machines. Or possibly further that animals may be nothing more than organic machines. And that would include humans. And finally that God may be nothing but something recognizable as a mathematical equation (and possibly a simple one) that due to it's formula just creates this illusion of worlds. Just sayin'. On 02/23/2014 06:03 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote: You are placing too much value on the human species. We are probably just a blip in Earth's history. A million years from now something else maybe better will have taken our place. They may only find fossils of our existence. So it goes. Sure, and where does this theory get us? On 02/23/2014 05:14 PM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... wrote: Share, I was thinking along the lines of life, including the existence of human beings, as a reflection of the abundance of life in the universe. If this is so, then what are the mechanisms for making this happen at such disparate places. Perhaps the holographic theory of the universe may be true. Also, even if we can detect the existence of humanoids in these exoplanets, is it possible for us to communicate with them or even visit their worlds? At this time, our technology is not advanced enough to make this happen.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The Truth
Well, Ann, I find it fascinating to ruminate about all this. For a short while (-: Many spiritual teachers talk about the need to get rid of the ego. I'm just expressing a different view based on contemporary psychology. I could be wrong and or it's probably just a matter of semantics. On Monday, February 24, 2014 8:25 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Thanks, Ann. I tend to come from a perspective of psychological health is good. But I know one spritual teacher, David Deida, who though he thinks it's good too, also thinks that people can love unconditionally even if they're totally screwed up! But the first point in your initial post you made was where I think you were closer to the truth: if you view yourself as inconsequential, as insignificant and therefore as something without merit or relative worth just because of the fact that there are billions of other people and stars and planets, then this is short sighted. And not only that, it is failing to take in the power that even one atom can contain let alone the billions of atoms that make up each human being or rock or leaf. And what makes up consciousness? How big or little is the entity or force that allows for that? And look how powerful that can be. One thought can impact millions of people. But your point was if we don't honor and cherish ourselves then how can we truly look on others as being worthy of such? This is when the world is in danger of breaking down into entropy and lovelessness. Where no one respects or values what anyone else does let alone values that fact that others live and breath in the same space. No, to hold within one's awareness that we are all puny, insignificant nothings is to waste and cheapen the experience of living. On Sunday, February 23, 2014 8:02 PM, awoelflebater@... awoelflebater@... wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: turq, I very much enjoy these statistics and understand what you are saying. However, I think the conclusions need to be a bit more nuanced. Because if a person thinks he or she is insignificant, then they will think other humans are insignificant too. And that often leads to all kinds of problematic behavior. I think what's better is a healthy self regard which promotes growth in regard for others, indeed for all life. I like this post, Share. I believe much of what you say here is true. On Sunday, February 23, 2014 1:55 AM, turquoiseb@... turquoiseb@... wrote: A post for those who claim to value the Truth. Here it is. Now get over your puny self.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Alien Earths Could be Weird
noozguru, I like what you say here, but probably can only intelligently comment on a bit of it. Anyway, I read years ago that dolphins and whale carry the secret of time travel in their DNA. I love that idea, even if it hasn't been scientifically validated. What I've noticed the past few years is a phenomenon of inter species harmony. Like men hugging lions and tigers befriending goats and a goose befriending a dog. I think it indicates that all species on earth are more similar than we ever thought. Organic machines? Built by genes to propogate themselves? On Monday, February 24, 2014 11:04 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I could have answered this last night but as I often do decided to see how others responded to the idea or your question. My immediate response would have been the same as salyavin's: it gets us to reality. But then their is Jr's interest in finding other humanoid species to communicate with. What about learning to communicate with the other intelligent species we have right here on earth? We know that dolphins and whales are very intelligent and I don't think they are our inferiors just because they don't build tall buildings or use computers (though given a proper interface they might). And then there was the news item the other day that dogs brains are wired like human brains. Or that cats see humans as just bigger cats. IOW, we are just beginning to understand our fellow creatures. Or as a computer scientist I enjoy seeing the predictable discoveries made trying to create intelligent machines. Just the other day I was reading about the robots which can build something with minimal intelligence just emulating how termites build their mounds. I would take it a step further to say that insects are nothing more than organic machines. Or possibly further that animals may be nothing more than organic machines. And that would include humans. And finally that God may be nothing but something recognizable as a mathematical equation (and possibly a simple one) that due to it's formula just creates this illusion of worlds. Just sayin'. On 02/23/2014 06:03 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote: You are placing too much value on the human species. We are probably just a blip in Earth's history. A million years from now something else maybe better will have taken our place. They may only find fossils of our existence. So it goes. Sure, and where does this theory get us? On 02/23/2014 05:14 PM, jr_esq@... wrote: Share, I was thinking along the lines of life, including the existence of human beings, as a reflection of the abundance of life in the universe. If this is so, then what are the mechanisms for making this happen at such disparate places. Perhaps the holographic theory of the universe may be true. Also, even if we can detect the existence of humanoids in these exoplanets, is it possible for us to communicate with them or even visit their worlds? At this time, our technology is not advanced enough to make this happen.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Deification and the Uncreated Engergies of God
Xeno's error is indeed in the previous posts, and I have already pointed it out in those posts. Thanks to Ann as well for making it impossible for Xeno to continue to try to blame the error on me by simply ignoring what I had told him (in the post quoted below, for one). Ann, you are right. I am showing slight signs of dyslexia these days. So this mess is my fault. Thanks for pointing this out. I have not gone over the previous posts, but if the error is in those as well, my apologies to Judy. Neo appears to have eaten my first try at a response, so here goes again... From Xeno's post: And he got the number of the post he quotes wrong (deliberately?). Here's the right one: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/358537 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/358537 This is precisely the post I mentioned (#358357) I don't think Xeno is so stupid as to attempt a direct, unvarnished lie, but that he wouldn't look carefully enough to see his own mistake and would instead try to blame it on me is one more sign that his inability to unpush his buttons is scrambling his brains. Oh, the difference a 3 and a 5 can make and placement is everything. And Bawwy claims anything littler than a billion stars isn't important...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Best TV commercial ever
Rodriguez was early to embrace the use of HD cameras (introduced to him by George Lucas) and hence free up the cumbersome process of filmmaking. His productivity spurred other directors into inquiring what he was doing and he mentioned he was enjoying making films again because of HD. So speaking of gorgeous women, you would have enjoyed the little scenario yesterday while chatting with friends on the patio at the downtown Starbucks. A little after the noon hour and group of young folks moved in and lined up the tables to eat a lunch brought from Panda Express. First off, the closest Panda Express is a good 8 miles away so that was odd. Then this drop dead gorgeous, movie star quality, young blond comes to our table to ask if we were using the extra chair which she took and to sit at the table with the lunch group. My friend, who has taught students from all over the world, asked about her accent. I told it sounded south American, possibly even Brazilian. I have played in bands with South American performers so got used to hearing such accents. Anyway I could hear their conversations and it seemed that they were probably from a film shoot. And that is not unusual for this area. We have a number of kids who go to college, often in Los Angeles, to become filmmakers and return here to shoot their student films. This may have been the case. And speaking of film, thanks for reminding me about Blue Jasmine which I rented on DVD but did note that Sony Pictures is the distributor (so it might actually appear soon on Netflix WI) and in HD (the DVD quality wasn't the best). What was fun was seeing all the locations right here in the Bay Area and recalled the news stories about the shoot. On 02/24/2014 03:00 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: *From:* turquoi...@yahoo.com turquoi...@yahoo.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Monday, February 24, 2014 10:59 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Best TV commercial ever ... The first, co-directed by Frank Miller again, is Sin City 2: A Dame To Kill For, starring Eva Green, Joseph Gordon-Levitt, Eva Green, Juno Temple, Eva Green, Josh Brolin, Eva Green, Jessica Alba, Eva Green, Bruce Willis, Eva Green, Rosario Dawson, Eva Green, Mickey Rourke, and Eva Green is a must-see for what should be obvious reasons. Most gorgeous woman in the world directed by one of my fave directors...what is not to like?
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Bill Gates Admits to Chemtrails
The first time I ever heard or read about this was back in the late 60s or early 70s when there were stories about chemtrails in the alternative press like the L.A. FreePress and Berkeley Barb. It is supposedly a classified program but we are getting leaks about it. I've seen airliners at the same altitude, one with a trail that didn't disperse and another when came a long a few minutes later which had a contrail that of course dissolved behind it. Same altitude, same air temperature. Yes, we may well see a horrible apocalypse if California doesn't get a good rainfall. Food prices will go through the roof and not just here but all over the US. We can only hope this rain storm which is forecast to begin on Weds continues on for quite a while. Human population should have been capped at 2 billion. That is manageable in terms of resources and livability. What we have now is the fallout from far too many people on the planet. On 02/24/2014 06:35 AM, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com wrote: Cloud seeding with silver iodide has been going on for decades, without much concern. The reason we are in a drought is due directly to global warming, probably aided by our huge population growth, and consequent (warm) pollution. We have a high pressure zone sitting on top of California, which prevents the normal Pacific current from bringing us our Winter water. I have noticed the Pacific current, which runs the length of California's coast, has been warming up for about a decade. It was only a matter of time before the land began to retain enough heat, in the Winter, to create a high pressure system, as is commonly produced here, in the Summer months. So, we are in a severe drought. I am not sure how we escape the cycle, at this point. Desalination plants are a good (very expensive) idea for the longer term, though I am not sure that even those can supply enough water for agriculture. A Chinese curse comes to mind: May you live in interesting times. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Indeed it is. It seems aluminum is the most important ingredient in the chemtrail, yet the Californians wonder why they are stricken with drought. Like the Americans say: Go figure !
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Ukraine?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: turq, short answer: I believe Mary existed as a real person. Long answer: having been raised Catholic, I find the Mary topic fascinating. And worth questioning if only to benefit the psychological health of girls who wonder if they too will be able to become mothers while remaining virgins. As if one would want to! Share, do you think it would be worthwhile for you to ruminate just an eensy weensy bit longer on what you wrote here? Anyway, from various readings I've gleaned that there's way more to the story than the Catholic Church is willing to admit. For me, what's important is to question the implied demonization of sexuality. And I admit I bet that demonization was originally done by some early Christian man! Go figure! On Monday, February 24, 2014 6:37 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... wrote: You understand that you're talking about a fictional character, right? From: Share Long sharelong60@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Ukraine? Because she's the mother of God. On Monday, February 24, 2014 2:27 AM, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Why should she ? Anyway this is 2000 years ago and much has happened since. It seems she since then had reached Masterhood and is behind many of the miracles that has been happening around the world in the churches. She has also appeared to much larger number of people than she used to.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Bill Gates Admits to Chemtrails
Not if we start eating soylent green On Mon, 2/24/14, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Bill Gates Admits to Chemtrails To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, February 24, 2014, 5:44 PM The first time I ever heard or read about this was back in the late 60s or early 70s when there were stories about chemtrails in the alternative press like the L.A. FreePress and Berkeley Barb. It is supposedly a classified program but we are getting leaks about it. I've seen airliners at the same altitude, one with a trail that didn't disperse and another when came a long a few minutes later which had a contrail that of course dissolved behind it. Same altitude, same air temperature. Yes, we may well see a horrible apocalypse if California doesn't get a good rainfall. Food prices will go through the roof and not just here but all over the US. We can only hope this rain storm which is forecast to begin on Weds continues on for quite a while. Human population should have been capped at 2 billion. That is manageable in terms of resources and livability. What we have now is the fallout from far too many people on the planet. On 02/24/2014 06:35 AM, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com wrote: Cloud seeding with silver iodide has been going on for decades, without much concern. The reason we are in a drought is due directly to global warming, probably aided by our huge population growth, and consequent (warm) pollution. We have a high pressure zone sitting on top of California, which prevents the normal Pacific current from bringing us our Winter water. I have noticed the Pacific current, which runs the length of California's coast, has been warming up for about a decade. It was only a matter of time before the land began to retain enough heat, in the Winter, to create a high pressure system, as is commonly produced here, in the Summer months. So, we are in a severe drought. I am not sure how we escape the cycle, at this point. Desalination plants are a good (very expensive) idea for the longer term, though I am not sure that even those can supply enough water for agriculture. A Chinese curse comes to mind: May you live in interesting times. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Indeed it is. It seems aluminum is the most important ingredient in the chemtrail, yet the Californians wonder why they are stricken with drought. Like the Americans say: Go figure !
[FairfieldLife] Re: Deification and the Uncreated Engergies of God
Let's see if Xeno can admit to his whopping error (or direct unvarnished lie) instead of trying to blame it on me. He wrote: 'In post #358357, 22 September 2013 you said: Why don't you fuck off? I'm not going to discuss anything with you until you've documented your accusations, or withdrawn them.' The actual post in question: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/ https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/358537358537 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/358537 A particular discussion of which I am part = one of Xeno's repeated attempts to force me to respond to him so he can accuse me of lying when I said what he quotes (an utterly absurd canard he picked up from Barry). His twisted, malevolent dishonesty is quite amazing in a person who has publicly asserted his freedom from such entanglements--when he is actually helpless even to unpress his own buttons. He pretends to need a reference for my I could have sworn... post when in fact he knows precisely which very recent post I'm talking about. And he got the number of the post he quotes wrong (deliberately?). Here's the right one: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/358537 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/358537 This is precisely the post I mentioned (#358357) for in post #374410 I wrote: ' In post #358357, 22 September 2013 you said: Why don't you fuck off? I'm not going to discuss anything with you until you've documented your accusations, or withdrawn them.' So the statement above that I quoted the wrong quote is a direct unvarnished lie, unless you admit to having made a mistake. Note that his belligerent fury is at my response to his own knowingly false accusations about my purported pattern of deviousness and lack of integrity--which he himself admitted he could not document. The above in red is an example of your deviousness, for the most part it is the observation of your pattern of behaviour, and you tend to be more subtle than the blatant example above. In a subsequent post, I addressed his misrepresentation of what he quotes me as saying: I was not referring to this one below (though there was a one-sided discussion about it at the time) but commenting on a post is a sly (sly = devious here) way of entering the discussion without directly saying that is what you are doing. Having said what you said, of course I have been baiting you to see if you would slip up more directly and actually directly respond to me rather than tangentially. If that makes me a bad person, so be it. But someone who proclaims honesty so vociferously really should be tested for veracity continually. I said I wouldn't discuss anything with you unless you withdraw your accusations (you can't document them because they're patently not true). I didn't say I wouldn't comment if I found it appropriate to do so (e.g., if you make any more false or insulting statements about me, I may respond to them). But your accusations, as long as they're on the table, have effectively foreclosed on the possibility of our having a friendly discussion of philosophy or science or music or any other neutral topic. You could have sworn (reference please) but I do not think that is it. In post #358357, 22 September 2013 you said: Why don't you fuck off? I'm not going to discuss anything with you until you've documented your accusations, or withdrawn them. Because those accusations have not been withdrawn, nor documented you, cannot enter into a discussion with me without having lied. You seem to skirt the edges of this pronouncement rather closely, by talking about me in the third person, by attempting to 'comment' to appear as if you are not involving yourself in a particular discussion of which I am part. The lengths to which you go to 'prove' you are the paragon of truth and honesty are beyond credulity. Advertising simply cannot cover up the basic fact of the matter. I could have sworn I made it clear I wasn't at all interested in commenting on what Xeno had to say unless he deliberately misrepresented me or something I said. If anyone else happens to be curious about the answers to the questions he asks, let me know.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Deification and the Uncreated Engergies of God
Let's see whether batshit crazy Judy can admit that the *only* thing wrong with Xeno's statement is the message number. :-) In other words, she's jumping through all these hoops just to avoid admitting that she is stalking a person who she swore she would never discuss anything with again until he retracted the *true* things he said about her. What a devious, lying cunt. And crazy to boot. And to make it worse, she thinks no one notices... From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 6:52 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Deification and the Uncreated Engergies of God Let's see if Xeno can admit to his whopping error (or direct unvarnished lie) instead of trying to blame it on me. He wrote: 'In post #358357, 22 September 2013 you said: Why don't you fuck off? I'm not going to discuss anything with you until you've documented your accusations, or withdrawn them.' The actual post in question: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/358537 A particular discussion of which I am part = one of Xeno's repeated attempts to force me to respond to him so he can accuse me of lying when I said what he quotes (an utterly absurd canard he picked up from Barry). His twisted, malevolent dishonesty is quite amazing in a person who has publicly asserted his freedom from such entanglements--when he is actually helpless even to unpress his own buttons. He pretends to need a reference for my I could have sworn... post when in fact he knows precisely which very recent post I'm talking about. And he got the number of the post he quotes wrong (deliberately?). Here's the right one: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/358537 This is precisely the post I mentioned (#358357) for in post #374410 I wrote: ' In post #358357, 22 September 2013 you said: Why don't you fuck off? I'm not going to discuss anything with you until you've documented your accusations, or withdrawn them.' So the statement above that I quoted the wrong quote is a direct unvarnished lie, unless you admit to having made a mistake. Note that his belligerent fury is at my response to his own knowingly false accusations about my purported pattern of deviousness and lack of integrity--which he himself admitted he could not document. The above in red is an example of your deviousness, for the most part it is the observation of your pattern of behaviour, and you tend to be more subtle than the blatant example above. In a subsequent post, I addressed his misrepresentation of what he quotes me as saying: I was not referring to this one below (though there was a one-sided discussion about it at the time) but commenting on a post is a sly (sly = devious here) way of entering the discussion without directly saying that is what you are doing. Having said what you said, of course I have been baiting you to see if you would slip up more directly and actually directly respond to me rather than tangentially. If that makes me a bad person, so be it. But someone who proclaims honesty so vociferously really should be tested for veracity continually. I said I wouldn't discuss anything with you unless you withdraw your accusations (you can't document them because they're patently not true). I didn't say I wouldn't comment if I found it appropriate to do so (e.g., if you make any more false or insulting statements about me, I may respond to them). But your accusations, as long as they're on the table, have effectively foreclosed on the possibility of our having a friendly discussion of philosophy or science or music or any other neutral topic. You could have sworn (reference please) but I do not think that is it. In post #358357, 22 September 2013 you said: Why don't you fuck off? I'm not going to discuss anything with you until you've documented your accusations, or withdrawn them. Because those accusations have not been withdrawn, nor documented you, cannot enter into a discussion with me without having lied. You seem to skirt the edges of this pronouncement rather closely, by talking about me in the third person, by attempting to 'comment' to appear as if you are not involving yourself in a particular discussion of which I am part. The lengths to which you go to 'prove' you are the paragon of truth and honesty are beyond credulity. Advertising simply cannot cover up the basic fact of the matter. I could have sworn I made it clear I wasn't at all interested in commenting on what Xeno had to say unless he deliberately misrepresented me or something I said. If anyone else happens to be curious about the answers to the questions he asks, let me know.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Deification and the Uncreated Engergies of God
Actually, Barry, it's Xeno who has been stalking me. I made it very clear what I would and would not do where Xeno was concerned (quoted below) unless he either retracted his false accusations or documented them (which he couldn't do because they were, duh, false). Xeno and Barry have both misrepresented what I said, no surprise there. They have no case, so the only thing they can do is lie. Let's see whether batshit crazy Judy can admit that the *only* thing wrong with Xeno's statement is the message number. :-) In other words, she's jumping through all these hoops just to avoid admitting that she is stalking a person who she swore she would never discuss anything with again until he retracted the *true* things he said about her. What a devious, lying cunt. And crazy to boot. And to make it worse, she thinks no one notices... Let's see if Xeno can admit to his whopping error (or direct unvarnished lie) instead of trying to blame it on me. He wrote: 'In post #358357, 22 September 2013 you said: Why don't you fuck off? I'm not going to discuss anything with you until you've documented your accusations, or withdrawn them.' The actual post in question: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/ https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/358537358537 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/358537 A particular discussion of which I am part = one of Xeno's repeated attempts to force me to respond to him so he can accuse me of lying when I said what he quotes (an utterly absurd canard he picked up from Barry). His twisted, malevolent dishonesty is quite amazing in a person who has publicly asserted his freedom from such entanglements--when he is actually helpless even to unpress his own buttons. He pretends to need a reference for my I could have sworn... post when in fact he knows precisely which very recent post I'm talking about. And he got the number of the post he quotes wrong (deliberately?). Here's the right one: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/358537 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/358537 This is precisely the post I mentioned (#358357) for in post #374410 I wrote: ' In post #358357, 22 September 2013 you said: Why don't you fuck off? I'm not going to discuss anything with you until you've documented your accusations, or withdrawn them.' So the statement above that I quoted the wrong quote is a direct unvarnished lie, unless you admit to having made a mistake. Note that his belligerent fury is at my response to his own knowingly false accusations about my purported pattern of deviousness and lack of integrity--which he himself admitted he could not document. The above in red is an example of your deviousness, for the most part it is the observation of your pattern of behaviour, and you tend to be more subtle than the blatant example above. In a subsequent post, I addressed his misrepresentation of what he quotes me as saying: I was not referring to this one below (though there was a one-sided discussion about it at the time) but commenting on a post is a sly (sly = devious here) way of entering the discussion without directly saying that is what you are doing. Having said what you said, of course I have been baiting you to see if you would slip up more directly and actually directly respond to me rather than tangentially. If that makes me a bad person, so be it. But someone who proclaims honesty so vociferously really should be tested for veracity continually. I said I wouldn't discuss anything with you unless you withdraw your accusations (you can't document them because they're patently not true). I didn't say I wouldn't comment if I found it appropriate to do so (e.g., if you make any more false or insulting statements about me, I may respond to them). But your accusations, as long as they're on the table, have effectively foreclosed on the possibility of our having a friendly discussion of philosophy or science or music or any other neutral topic. You could have sworn (reference please) but I do not think that is it. In post #358357, 22 September 2013 you said: Why don't you fuck off? I'm not going to discuss anything with you until you've documented your accusations, or withdrawn them. Because those accusations have not been withdrawn, nor documented you, cannot enter into a discussion with me without having lied. You seem to skirt the edges of this pronouncement rather closely, by talking about me in the third person, by attempting to 'comment' to appear as if you are not involving yourself in a particular discussion of which I am part. The lengths to which you go to 'prove' you are the paragon of truth and honesty are beyond credulity. Advertising simply cannot cover up the
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Obama, TMSP for Buck and Nabby
You are absolutely right, Buck and I think the third option you mention is the best of all. Thank you for saying it again. On Monday, February 24, 2014 8:38 AM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote: Dear MJ, You paint with way too broad a brush and with too much paint. You are being way too myopic and out of touch with TM. There are times when the world asks ordinary men to do extraordinary things. “Which would you rather experience: living the paradox or understanding it to your satisfaction?” Not either position is mutually exclusive or that there is a third possibility of both. -Buck in the Dome
Re: [FairfieldLife] Alien Earths Could be Weird
Salyavin, How do you suppose that space/time was created in the universe? Do you believe that a random quantum fluctuation created this concept? I'll explain my ideas after I get your responses to the questions above.
[FairfieldLife] RE: Alien Earths Could be Weird
Salyavin, You are making arguments against a theory. We'll find the true answer when the theory is proved correct or incorrect.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Alien Earths Could be Weird
Could you elaborate on that please? Classical theists say that God wills the good of the creatures. Human beings, however, do not always will their own good, or the good of other people. In those cases, on the classical view, God brings it about that people freely decide not to will the good of others. This makes God responsible for evil and suffering in a way that contradicts divine goodness. On the classical view, for example, the crimes that disfigure human history are the fault of human beings, but they are also God's doing. http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/process-theism/ http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/process-theism/ Classical theists believe in the existence of an all-powerful, all-knowing and all-good being. The problem is that while their standard arguments (cosmological, design etc.) may establish the existence of a creator God, they do nothing to establish that the creator is all-good. Hence they must do something more to show that the creator is all-good. This brings the EGC challenge into play since it suggests that the case for an Evil God is just as strong as the case for a Good God. This is where things get interesting. When confronted with the idea of an Evil God, most classical theists will be inclined to simply dismiss it as being absurd. But if all other arguments fail to support the existence of a Good God, and if the evidential problem of good is just as strong as the evidential problem of evil, shouldn’t they then accept that idea of a Good God is absurd too http://philosophicaldisquisitions.blogspot.in/2011/10/what-c an-laws-evil-god-challenge-do.html http://philosophicaldisquisitions.blogspot.in/2011/10/what-can-laws-evil-god-challenge-do.html -- authfriend authfriend@... wrote: Not classical theists. The tremendous wastage in the evolutionary process should make the ID theorists and Theists realise that their beliefs are bullshit. jedi_sp...@yahoo.com wrote: Nature throws a wide range of mutations into the environment. Many fail to make it, in the process, but some always survive. This gives evolution the versatility and the flexibility to deal with the capricious and erratic, fluctuations in the environment. The tremendous wastage in the evolutionary process should make the ID theorists and Theists realise that their beliefs are bullshit. More than 99% percent of species that ever existed on earth are already extinct. The extinction rate is so high that many evolutionary biologists state that extinction is a natural process in evolution. In that sense, evolution and nature's systems are anti-fragile. You spray DDT, nature immediately spawns the next Gen mosquitos resistant to DDT. You treat an infection with penicillin, and nature immediately spawns the next Gen bacteria resistant to penicillin. --- salyavin no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: You can't say that it won't happen again but it was a fluke on this planet, but then with so many bacteria sliming about maybe it was bound to happen sooner or later? But it wasn't necessary, there is no grand plan unless it's one that does its best not to look like one! This holographic idea that John has got fixed on doesn't explain how it looks like undirected genetic meandering. Think how many hominid types there have been, they dig up a new one each week, but we are the only survivors with just a slight edge over the Neanderthals. If the ice age were still in full flow would they be the majority humans still? Evolution is as much luck as superiority, being in the right place at the right time goes a long way to survival. Share sharelong60@... wrote: John, I wish I could find a post from salyavin somewhat recently. It had to do with how life started, the combining of something with something else and it was a random happening, will never happen again kind of thing. Anyway, it speaks to this point about life and its pure randomness. But I also like the holographic idea. On Sunday, February 23, 2014 7:14 PM, jr_esq@... jr_esq@... wrote: Share, I was thinking along the lines of life, including the existence of human beings, as a reflection of the abundance of life in the universe. If this is so, then what are the mechanisms for making this happen at such disparate places. Perhaps the holographic theory of the universe may be true. Also, even if we can detect the existence of humanoids in these exoplanets, is it possible for us to communicate with them or even visit their worlds? At this time, our technology is not advanced enough to make this happen.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Bill Gates Admits to Chemtrails
Nah, they'll come up with The Science Diet for Humans with taco flavor, pizza flavor and maybe even curry flavor. On 02/24/2014 09:51 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: Not if we start eating soylent green On Mon, 2/24/14, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Bill Gates Admits to Chemtrails To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, February 24, 2014, 5:44 PM The first time I ever heard or read about this was back in the late 60s or early 70s when there were stories about chemtrails in the alternative press like the L.A. FreePress and Berkeley Barb. It is supposedly a classified program but we are getting leaks about it. I've seen airliners at the same altitude, one with a trail that didn't disperse and another when came a long a few minutes later which had a contrail that of course dissolved behind it. Same altitude, same air temperature. Yes, we may well see a horrible apocalypse if California doesn't get a good rainfall. Food prices will go through the roof and not just here but all over the US. We can only hope this rain storm which is forecast to begin on Weds continues on for quite a while. Human population should have been capped at 2 billion. That is manageable in terms of resources and livability. What we have now is the fallout from far too many people on the planet. On 02/24/2014 06:35 AM, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com wrote: Cloud seeding with silver iodide has been going on for decades, without much concern. The reason we are in a drought is due directly to global warming, probably aided by our huge population growth, and consequent (warm) pollution. We have a high pressure zone sitting on top of California, which prevents the normal Pacific current from bringing us our Winter water. I have noticed the Pacific current, which runs the length of California's coast, has been warming up for about a decade. It was only a matter of time before the land began to retain enough heat, in the Winter, to create a high pressure system, as is commonly produced here, in the Summer months. So, we are in a severe drought. I am not sure how we escape the cycle, at this point. Desalination plants are a good (very expensive) idea for the longer term, though I am not sure that even those can supply enough water for agriculture. A Chinese curse comes to mind: May you live in interesting times. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Indeed it is. It seems aluminum is the most important ingredient in the chemtrail, yet the Californians wonder why they are stricken with drought. Like the Americans say: Go figure !
[FairfieldLife] RE: Alien Earths Could be Weird
Jedi, How do you know that you're saying is correct and that MMY is wrong? Who is the source of your information? And, no, I'm not the old do.rflx.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Alien Earths Could be Weird
What you quoted from MMY contradicts all that I read about yoga and philosophy by other authors, some of them much older than MMY. In samadhi, you trancend everything including spatial dimensions. --- John jr_esq@... wrote: Jedi, How do you know that you're saying is correct and that MMY is wrong? Who is the source of your information? And, no, I'm not the old do.rflex.
[FairfieldLife] RE: Bill Gates Admits to Chemtrails
There isn't any current program run by the US govt. to alter our weather, if that is what you asking. We are simply overwhelming the ecosystem, without any dedicated intervention - that old stat about people in the US being 5% of the world population, but using up 25% of its resources, is coming back to bite us. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Interesting indeed. Does this mean you do not believe the American government is spraying with chemicals, that the whole chem-trail business is simply paranoia ?
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Truth
Beliefs in limitations don't arise, unless the limitation is evident within oneself. Similarly, a belief in one's unlimited ability doesn't arise, unless the ability within oneself is present - latent, perhaps, but present. So, although we all enjoy 'owning' our beliefs, even arguing for them, and thinking of them as choices we each make, they are really much more of a rationalized expression, of the state of our physiology. However, as humans, we have this unique ability to set a conflict within ourselves, to believe in something, that in terms of everyday life, we cannot support. It is simply not possible - Not impossible, in terms of future achievement, but in terms of simply thinking it so, it is not possible for a belief to instantaneously override the physiology. That means, if, as this guy says, we believe in giving unconditional love, but we do not have the capacity, all we can offer is inner conflict, and why would you want to pass that on? Once the ability to offer unconditional love is there, it doesn't matter what our belief is, at all - we can only spread, and share it. I find that humans are not as smart as we *think* we are - life, itself, serves as much better mirror, and teacher. :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: But Doc, is it conditioning that is preventing unconditional love. Or is it the belief that conditioning is preventing unconditional love that is the real culprit?! PS I find David Deida to be a very profound thinker so I take to heart what he says. On Monday, February 24, 2014 8:20 AM, doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@... wrote: Who, then, is doing the unconditional loving, in those cases? It is a very strange thing to assert, since it is conditioning which prevents unconditional love, in the first place. Perhaps he is merely mentioning the old saw, to not wait for full enlightenment, to begin living a full life, and that is always good advice. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Thanks, Ann. I tend to come from a perspective of psychological health is good. But I know one spritual teacher, David Deida, who though he thinks it's good too, also thinks that people can love unconditionally even if they're totally screwed up! On Sunday, February 23, 2014 8:02 PM, awoelflebater@... awoelflebater@... wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: turq, I very much enjoy these statistics and understand what you are saying. However, I think the conclusions need to be a bit more nuanced. Because if a person thinks he or she is insignificant, then they will think other humans are insignificant too. And that often leads to all kinds of problematic behavior. I think what's better is a healthy self regard which promotes growth in regard for others, indeed for all life. I like this post, Share. I believe much of what you say here is true. On Sunday, February 23, 2014 1:55 AM, turquoiseb@... turquoiseb@... wrote: A post for those who claim to value the Truth. Here it is. Now get over your puny self.
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Truth
Doc, I agree that all this stuff resides in the physiology and arises from there. But then I remember reading about saints who were in bliss but also great physical pain. Any thoughts about that? On Monday, February 24, 2014 1:02 PM, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com wrote: Beliefs in limitations don't arise, unless the limitation is evident within oneself. Similarly, a belief in one's unlimited ability doesn't arise, unless the ability within oneself is present - latent, perhaps, but present. So, although we all enjoy 'owning' our beliefs, even arguing for them, and thinking of them as choices we each make, they are really much more of a rationalized expression, of the state of our physiology. However, as humans, we have this unique ability to set a conflict within ourselves, to believe in something, that in terms of everyday life, we cannot support. It is simply not possible - Not impossible, in terms of future achievement, but in terms of simply thinking it so, it is not possible for a belief to instantaneously override the physiology. That means, if, as this guy says, we believe in giving unconditional love, but we do not have the capacity, all we can offer is inner conflict, and why would you want to pass that on? Once the ability to offer unconditional love is there, it doesn't matter what our belief is, at all - we can only spread, and share it. I find that humans are not as smart as we *think* we are - life, itself, serves as much better mirror, and teacher. :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: But Doc, is it conditioning that is preventing unconditional love. Or is it the belief that conditioning is preventing unconditional love that is the real culprit?! PS I find David Deida to be a very profound thinker so I take to heart what he says. On Monday, February 24, 2014 8:20 AM, doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@... wrote: Who, then, is doing the unconditional loving, in those cases? It is a very strange thing to assert, since it is conditioning which prevents unconditional love, in the first place. Perhaps he is merely mentioning the old saw, to not wait for full enlightenment, to begin living a full life, and that is always good advice. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Thanks, Ann. I tend to come from a perspective of psychological health is good. But I know one spritual teacher, David Deida, who though he thinks it's good too, also thinks that people can love unconditionally even if they're totally screwed up! On Sunday, February 23, 2014 8:02 PM, awoelflebater@... awoelflebater@... wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: turq, I very much enjoy these statistics and understand what you are saying. However, I think the conclusions need to be a bit more nuanced. Because if a person thinks he or she is insignificant, then they will think other humans are insignificant too. And that often leads to all kinds of problematic behavior. I think what's better is a healthy self regard which promotes growth in regard for others, indeed for all life. I like this post, Share. I believe much of what you say here is true. On Sunday, February 23, 2014 1:55 AM, turquoiseb@... turquoiseb@... wrote: A post for those who claim to value the Truth. Here it is. Now get over your puny self.
[FairfieldLife] RE: Alien Earths Could be Weird
Dude, can you press the message history button at the bottom of the reply box before you post or I won't know what post you are commenting on. But whatever it was, making arguments against a theory is fine, especially if you know something about it or know where someone else has gone wrong about it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote: Salyavin, You are making arguments against a theory. We'll find the true answer when the theory is proved correct or incorrect.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Alien Earths Could be Weird
Space is where matter lives, it's what dimensions like length or depth give us. Time is the arrow of entropy, the way in which matter in the universe interacts. Without matter there would be no time, just as there was no space before the big bang that started the whole thing off. What came before that we cannot know. I don't believe anything, but quantum tunnelling is a good guess as to how space got started. Whether it will stand the test of time or get superceded is beyond me but it's a universe without need of gods or prime movers or unified consciousness (whatever that might mean) so it appeals for a lot of reasons, the main one being that involving creators of any sort doesn't answer any questions it just pushes them further down the line to some presumably ineffable and unmeasurable superbeing. Which is what your quantum wave idea does. However you want to look at it, if something has been projected there must have been a projector and someone who decided what gets projected. The two ways I told you it was a non-starter hold up: We live on an evolving world and quantum waves (which are mathematical descriptions anyway) can't contain more information than what they consist of because they wouldn't be quantum, and therefore random, anymore. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote: Salyavin, How do you suppose that space/time was created in the universe? Do you believe that a random quantum fluctuation created this concept? I'll explain my ideas after I get your responses to the questions above.
[FairfieldLife] Comcast Extortion
Comcast and Netflix reached an agreement where Netflix will be paying Comcast to carry their feed unobstructed or un-throttled. This is a dark day for Americans and particularly FFL'ers who are enjoying Net Neutrality. It won't take long for the other telecom crime syndicates to begin extortion too. We already pay too much for broadband in the US and now those pigs want us to pay more. Death to the telecom mafia dons, kuru kuru swaha!
[FairfieldLife] RE: Bill Gates Admits to Chemtrails
Let's hope you are right that there is no covert govnt. operation to alter the weather. Of course the grave pollution is bad enough and involve all of us all over the planet. According to Benjamin Crème we have less that 15 years to reverse the serious imbalance caused by ourselves if we want to avert a major and permanent change in the weather. Today the UN released a report that 1000 children in poor countries die every year due to the new climate-changes. However I do find it perplexing that more and more retired personel in the aviation and military-systems come forward with new information on the chem-trails and the Area51. Do people really have to become oldish before they dare tell the truth as they have seen with their very eyes ?
[FairfieldLife] RE: Swami Vivekananda’s Encounter s with Christian Missionaries
Hence the moniker *Dufus*.
[FairfieldLife] Great songs of our time....
Remember dancing to this at some wild party in the woods, out of my head on several illegal but highly entertaining substances. Good times. I learnt TM a year later and became a good little boy. Glad I did the psychedelic thing first though... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdMs7eqMvNg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdMs7eqMvNg
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Bill Gates Admits to Chemtrails
OK, we need suicide volunteers to bring plant earth populations down under 2 billion. How are we going to do this? On Monday, February 24, 2014 11:32 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: The first time I ever heard or read about this was back in the late 60s or early 70s when there were stories about chemtrails in the alternative press like the L.A. FreePress and Berkeley Barb. It is supposedly a classified program but we are getting leaks about it. I've seen airliners at the same altitude, one with a trail that didn't disperse and another when came a long a few minutes later which had a contrail that of course dissolved behind it. Same altitude, same air temperature. Yes, we may well see a horrible apocalypse if California doesn't get a good rainfall. Food prices will go through the roof and not just here but all over the US. We can only hope this rain storm which is forecast to begin on Weds continues on for quite a while. Human population should have been capped at 2 billion. That is manageable in terms of resources and livability. What we have now is the fallout from far too many people on the planet. On 02/24/2014 06:35 AM, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com wrote: Cloud seeding with silver iodide has been going on for decades, without much concern. The reason we are in a drought is due directly to global warming, probably aided by our huge population growth, and consequent (warm) pollution. We have a high pressure zone sitting on top of California, which prevents the normal Pacific current from bringing us our Winter water. I have noticed the Pacific current, which runs the length of California's coast, has been warming up for about a decade. It was only a matter of time before the land began to retain enough heat, in the Winter, to create a high pressure system, as is commonly produced here, in the Summer months. So, we are in a severe drought. I am not sure how we escape the cycle, at this point. Desalination plants are a good (very expensive) idea for the longer term, though I am not sure that even those can supply enough water for agriculture. A Chinese curse comes to mind: May you live in interesting times. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Indeed it is. It seems aluminum is the most important ingredient in the chemtrail, yet the Californians wonder why they are stricken with drought. Like the Americans say: Go figure !
[FairfieldLife] Re: Alien Earths Could be Weird
One more time: Classical theists do not believe in God as a being, good or bad. They believe in God as Beingness Itself. Could you elaborate on that please? Classical theists say that God wills the good of the creatures. Human beings, however, do not always will their own good, or the good of other people. In those cases, on the classical view, God brings it about that people freely decide not to will the good of others. This makes God responsible for evil and suffering in a way that contradicts divine goodness. On the classical view, for example, the crimes that disfigure human history are the fault of human beings, but they are also God's doing. http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/process-theism/http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/process-theism/ http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/process-theism/ Classical theists believe in the existence of an all-powerful, all-knowing and all-good being. The problem is that while their standard arguments (cosmological, design etc.) may establish the existence of a creator God, they do nothing to establish that the creator is all-good. Hence they must do something more to show that the creator is all-good. This brings the EGC challenge into play since it suggests that the case for an Evil God is just as strong as the case for a Good God. This is where things get interesting. When confronted with the idea of an Evil God, most classical theists will be inclined to simply dismiss it as being absurd. But if all other arguments fail to support the existence of a Good God, and if the evidential problem of good is just as strong as the evidential problem of evil, shouldn’t they then accept that idea of a Good God is absurd too http://philosophicaldisquisitions.blogspot.in/2011/10/what-can-laws-evil-god-challenge-do.htmlhttp://philosophicaldisquisitions.blogspot.in/2011/10/what-c http://philosophicaldisquisitions.blogspot.in/2011/10/what-c an-laws-evil-god-challenge-do.html -- authfriend authfriend@... wrote: Not classical theists. The tremendous wastage in the evolutionary process should make the ID theorists and Theists realise that their beliefs are bullshit. jedi_spock@... wrote: Nature throws a wide range of mutations into the environment. Many fail to make it, in the process, but some always survive. This gives evolution the versatility and the flexibility to deal with the capricious and erratic, fluctuations in the environment. The tremendous wastage in the evolutionary process should make the ID theorists and Theists realise that their beliefs are bullshit. More than 99% percent of species that ever existed on earth are already extinct. The extinction rate is so high that many evolutionary biologists state that extinction is a natural process in evolution. In that sense, evolution and nature's systems are anti-fragile. You spray DDT, nature immediately spawns the next Gen mosquitos resistant to DDT. You treat an infection with penicillin, and nature immediately spawns the next Gen bacteria resistant to penicillin. --- salyavin no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: You can't say that it won't happen again but it was a fluke on this planet, but then with so many bacteria sliming about maybe it was bound to happen sooner or later? But it wasn't necessary, there is no grand plan unless it's one that does its best not to look like one! This holographic idea that John has got fixed on doesn't explain how it looks like undirected genetic meandering. Think how many hominid types there have been, they dig up a new one each week, but we are the only survivors with just a slight edge over the Neanderthals. If the ice age were still in full flow would they be the majority humans still? Evolution is as much luck as superiority, being in the right place at the right time goes a long way to survival. Share sharelong60@... wrote: John, I wish I could find a post from salyavin somewhat recently. It had to do with how life started, the combining of something with something else and it was a random happening, will never happen again kind of thing. Anyway, it speaks to this point about life and its pure randomness. But I also like the holographic idea. On Sunday, February 23, 2014 7:14 PM, jr_esq@... jr_esq@... wrote: Share, I was thinking along the lines of life, including the existence of human beings, as a reflection of the abundance of life in the universe. If this is so, then what are the mechanisms for making this happen at such disparate places. Perhaps the holographic theory of the universe
[FairfieldLife] What's Sanyam opinion about Girish C.Ve(a)rma case and latest news
Since we are privileged to have a Bhopal/India resident here now at our FFL forum wouldn't it be interesting to know Sanyam's opinion about Girish case and latest news? And as astronomer with spritual leaning Sanyam opinion about Maharishi Yagya, Girish were paramount - the divine prime mover ? February 19, 2014:Latest news about Girish C.Varma from The Free Press Journal(est 1933 in Bombay, now Mumbai )forefront of freedom struggle against the British, supporter of the Indian independence movement. Starting from December 30, 2013 The Free Press Journal published 9 article about G.C.V. including February 8, 2014: Complainant (Renu Rani Sharma)alleges acid attack, threatening calls ( contract for her murder),February 9,:Maharshi Vidya Mandir denies hand in ‘acid attack’on woman( Renu Rani Sharma) - See more at: http://freepressjournal.in/?s=Girish+Chandra+Vermax=0y=0 http://freepressjournal.in/?s=Girish+Chandra+Vermax=0y=0 The journal are described as nationalist with left-wing affiliation, even with communist leanings (Bal Thackeray)but let's not forget Satyananda and his friends had the same strong political background before he and they met SBS. The registered charge-sheet seems not to include the land grab charge but other little detail. Girish Verma raped victim for 15 yrs from 1999 to 2014 - See more at: http://freepressjournal.in/girish-verma-raped-victim-for-15-yrs-from-1999-to-2014/#sthash.6m9dqIKi.dpuf http://freepressjournal.in/girish-verma-raped-victim-for-15-yrs-from-1999-to-2014/#sthash.6m9dqIKi.dpuf Girish Verma raped victim for 15 yrs from 1999 to 2014 - See more at: http://freepressjournal.in/girish-verma-raped-victim-for-15-yrs-from-1999-to-2014/#sthash.6m9dqIKi.dpuf http://freepressjournal.in/girish-verma-raped-victim-for-15-yrs-from-1999-to-2014/#sthash.6m9dqIKi.dpuf Girish Verma raped victim for 15 yrs from 1999 to 2014 Charge- sheet filed against Chancellor of Mahesh ogi varsity BHOPAL: The police, on Tuesday, filed charge- sheet against Chancellor of Maharishi Mahesh ogi Vedic University Girish Chandra Verma in the designated court of JMFC Umesh Soni in connection with sexual harassment allegation made by a teacher of a school under him. Challan incorporates statements of 20 witnesses, including principal of Maharishi Vidhyalaya and former school principal Jai Narain Pandey of Azamgarh, Uttar Pradesh. http://freepressjournal.in/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/182201416540250-large.jpgPandey, in his statement, had informed the police that Verma used to order to appoint girls between 20 years to 25 years and they were appointed only after one- to one screening by Girish Verma. Complainant Renu Rani Sharma, in her statement to police, had alleged that she was removed when she refused to arrange young girls for Verma. Verma took her signatures on blanks papers in 1997- 99. She was first raped on August 22, 1999 and the last time on March 1, 2013. She had lodged first complaint on March 11, 2013 and second complaint on March 24, 2013. Verma was arrested on December 29,2013. He was initially sent in police custody till January 1, 2014. Thereafter he was sent to judicial custody. ADJ Syeda Bano Rehman had rejected the bail plea on January 3, 2014. The High Court, on January 30,2014 had granted bail to him. Justice NK Gupta had granted bail. Verma’s passport and Audi car and other documents have been seized. Mahila Police Station SHO Renu Murab said, “ We have filed challan of 66 pages including statements of all the witness. Next hearing will be on March 5. Charges under sections 376 ( rape) and 506 ( criminal intimidation) of IPC have been registered against Verma”. - See more at: http://freepressjournal.in/girish-verma-raped-victim-for-15-yrs-from-1999-to-2014/#sthash.6m9dqIKi.dpuf http://freepressjournal.in/girish-verma-raped-victim-for-15-yrs-from-1999-to-2014/#sthash.6m9dqIKi.dpuf Charge- sheet filed against Chancellor of Mahesh Yogi Vedic University BHOPAL: The police, on Tuesday, filed charge- sheet against Chancellor of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Vedic University Girish Chandra Verma in the designated court of JMFC Umesh Soni in connection with sexual harassment allegation made by a teacher of a school under him. Challan incorporates statements of 20 witnesses, including principal of Maharishi Vidhyalaya and former school principal Jai Narain Pandey of Azamgarh, Uttar Pradesh.Pandey, in his statement, had informed the police that Verma used to order to appoint girls between 20 years to 25 years and they were appointed only after one- to one screening by Girish Verma. Complainant Renu Rani Sharma, in her statement to police, had alleged that she was removed when she refused to arrange young girls for Verma. Verma took her signatures on blanks papers in 1997- 99. She was first raped on August 22, 1999 and the last time on March 1, 2013. She had lodged first complaint on March 11, 2013 and second complaint on March 24,
Re:: [FairfieldLife] Re: New member in the family
Yo Sanyam, greetings! Astronomer eh? Is this your job or an armchair passion like it is with me? Whichever it is you will find plenty of people here with opinions on cosmology and spirituality. The range of opinion is wide but that's what makes it interesting. You can start a conversation on pretty much anything and we'll join in. Or not. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Welcome, Sanyam. There are others here who are fascinated by astronomy and cosmology, even jyotish! It's like a banquet table full of wonderful foods. It's possible to enjoy what you like and leave the rest for someone else. On Monday, February 24, 2014 8:30 AM, Sanyam Shrivastava starastronomy123@... wrote: Greetings all, I am Sanyam shrivastava, a new member in the family. I am from Bhopal, in India. I practice regular meditation, and to a large scale, have attained third eye meditation. I am an Astronomer, but at the same time i am into Spirituality. I know that sounds contradictory. Anyway, i would like to know, what are the basic discussions covered in this group? :) Thanks in advance
[FairfieldLife] Re: Deification and the Uncreated Engergies of God
Yes, this is the post I was referring to. I have a hand written note that has the correct post number, but in my post, I got the digits transposed when I typed it. You win this one, hands down, though the original matter behind this exchange remains unchanged. If you are curious, the phrase, 'hands down', refers to jockeys' need to keep a tight rein in order to encourage their horses to run. Anyone who is so far ahead that he can afford to slacken off and still win he can drop his hands and loosen the reins - hence winning 'hands down'. Mis-perception and illusion is a powerful force, but do not suppose it is only regulated to me. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: Let's see if Xeno can admit to his whopping error (or direct unvarnished lie) instead of trying to blame it on me. He wrote: 'In post #358357, 22 September 2013 you said: Why don't you fuck off? I'm not going to discuss anything with you until you've documented your accusations, or withdrawn them.' The actual post in question: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/ https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/358537358537 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/358537 A particular discussion of which I am part = one of Xeno's repeated attempts to force me to respond to him so he can accuse me of lying when I said what he quotes (an utterly absurd canard he picked up from Barry). His twisted, malevolent dishonesty is quite amazing in a person who has publicly asserted his freedom from such entanglements--when he is actually helpless even to unpress his own buttons. He pretends to need a reference for my I could have sworn... post when in fact he knows precisely which very recent post I'm talking about. And he got the number of the post he quotes wrong (deliberately?). Here's the right one: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/358537 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/358537 This is precisely the post I mentioned (#358357) for in post #374410 I wrote: ' In post #358357, 22 September 2013 you said: Why don't you fuck off? I'm not going to discuss anything with you until you've documented your accusations, or withdrawn them.' So the statement above that I quoted the wrong quote is a direct unvarnished lie, unless you admit to having made a mistake. Note that his belligerent fury is at my response to his own knowingly false accusations about my purported pattern of deviousness and lack of integrity--which he himself admitted he could not document. The above in red is an example of your deviousness, for the most part it is the observation of your pattern of behaviour, and you tend to be more subtle than the blatant example above. In a subsequent post, I addressed his misrepresentation of what he quotes me as saying: I was not referring to this one below (though there was a one-sided discussion about it at the time) but commenting on a post is a sly (sly = devious here) way of entering the discussion without directly saying that is what you are doing. Having said what you said, of course I have been baiting you to see if you would slip up more directly and actually directly respond to me rather than tangentially. If that makes me a bad person, so be it. But someone who proclaims honesty so vociferously really should be tested for veracity continually. I said I wouldn't discuss anything with you unless you withdraw your accusations (you can't document them because they're patently not true). I didn't say I wouldn't comment if I found it appropriate to do so (e.g., if you make any more false or insulting statements about me, I may respond to them). But your accusations, as long as they're on the table, have effectively foreclosed on the possibility of our having a friendly discussion of philosophy or science or music or any other neutral topic. You could have sworn (reference please) but I do not think that is it. In post #358357, 22 September 2013 you said: Why don't you fuck off? I'm not going to discuss anything with you until you've documented your accusations, or withdrawn them. Because those accusations have not been withdrawn, nor documented you, cannot enter into a discussion with me without having lied. You seem to skirt the edges of this pronouncement rather closely, by talking about me in the third person, by attempting to 'comment' to appear as if you are not involving yourself in a particular discussion of which I am part. The lengths to which you go to 'prove' you are the paragon of truth and honesty are beyond credulity. Advertising simply cannot cover up the basic fact of the matter. I could have sworn I made it clear I wasn't at all interested in commenting on what Xeno had to say unless he
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Deification and the Uncreated Engergies of God
On 2/24/2014 10:40 AM, anartax...@yahoo.com wrote: I was thinking of the quote Judy originally made about not discussing anything with me, and Judy was probably thinking of the quote she subsequently made when she responded to me (where she tried to worm around not being able to respond to me without lying by 'commenting' on what I wrote), so the 'best' interpretation is we both misconstrued the specific item each thought the other was referring to. Maybe we should just move this whole discussion over to WhatsApp since NOBODY in less than 24 hours is going to EVER again read this discussion about theism and Deification and the Uncreated Engergies of God. NEVER. Somebody prove me wrong.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Bill Gates Admits to Chemtrails
Back in the 1970s the population had reached 3 billion. I recall at the time much of the chatter at the SCI class was about the Club of Rome's Limits to Growth. I think we could achieve population equity without killing off folks. But history tends to repeat itself and collectively humanity is pretty stupid so it may be achieved by another world war. Not good and whatever we do to try to prevent it won't keep some misjudgments that will initiate it. It's like we built the weapons so they will get used. Do you have any children? Don't recall you saying so, so you've helped. Same with me and a lot of smarter Americans who chose not to have families. On 02/24/2014 11:43 AM, Mike Dixon wrote: OK, we need suicide volunteers to bring plant earth populations down under 2 billion. How are we going to do this? On Monday, February 24, 2014 11:32 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: The first time I ever heard or read about this was back in the late 60s or early 70s when there were stories about chemtrails in the alternative press like the L.A. FreePress and Berkeley Barb. It is supposedly a classified program but we are getting leaks about it. I've seen airliners at the same altitude, one with a trail that didn't disperse and another when came a long a few minutes later which had a contrail that of course dissolved behind it. Same altitude, same air temperature. Yes, we may well see a horrible apocalypse if California doesn't get a good rainfall. Food prices will go through the roof and not just here but all over the US. We can only hope this rain storm which is forecast to begin on Weds continues on for quite a while. Human population should have been capped at 2 billion. That is manageable in terms of resources and livability. What we have now is the fallout from far too many people on the planet. On 02/24/2014 06:35 AM, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com mailto:doctordumb...@rocketmail.com wrote: Cloud seeding with silver iodide has been going on for decades, without much concern. The reason we are in a drought is due directly to global warming, probably aided by our huge population growth, and consequent (warm) pollution. We have a high pressure zone sitting on top of California, which prevents the normal Pacific current from bringing us our Winter water. I have noticed the Pacific current, which runs the length of California's coast, has been warming up for about a decade. It was only a matter of time before the land began to retain enough heat, in the Winter, to create a high pressure system, as is commonly produced here, in the Summer months. So, we are in a severe drought. I am not sure how we escape the cycle, at this point. Desalination plants are a good (very expensive) idea for the longer term, though I am not sure that even those can supply enough water for agriculture. A Chinese curse comes to mind: May you live in interesting times. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Indeed it is. It seems aluminum is the most important ingredient in the chemtrail, yet the Californians wonder why they are stricken with drought. Like the Americans say: Go figure !
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hackers
An inside look at who's watching you, what they know and why it matters. We are being watched. [image: Inline image 1] We see online ads from websites we've visited, long after we've moved on to other interests. Our smartphones and cars transmit our location, enabling us to know what's in the neighborhood but also enabling others to track us. And the federal government, we recently learned, has been conducting a massive data-gathering surveillance operation across the Internet and on our phone lines. 'Dragnet Nation: A Quest for Privacy, Security, and Freedom in a World of Relentless Surveillance' by Julia Anquin Macmillan, 2014 On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 12:35 PM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.comwrote: Hacker Reading List: 'Ghost in the Wires' by Kevin Mitnick Back Bay Books, 2011 'We Are Anonymous: Inside the Hacker World of LulzSec, Anonymous, and the Global Cyber Insurgency' by Parmy Olson Little, Brown and Company (June 5, 2012) 'Tubes: A Journey to the Center of the Internet' by Andrew Blum, HarperCollins, 2012 'Hackers: Heroes of the Computer Revolution' by Steven Levy O'Reilly Media; 1 edition (May 19, 2010) 'Crypto: How the Code Rebels Beat the Government--Saving Privacy in the Digital Age' by Steven Levy Viking, 2001 'Crypto Anarchy, Cyberstates, and Pirate Utopias' by Peter Ludlow Bradford Book, 2001 'Code and Other Laws of Cyberspace' by Lawrence Lessig Basic Books (July 13, 2000) 'Hacking' The Art of Exploitation, 2nd Edition by Jon Erickson No Starch Press, 2008 'How to Disappear: Erase Your Digital Footprint, Leave False Trails, and Vanish without a Trace' by Frank M. Ahearn Lyons Press, 2010 'Kingpin: How One Hacker Took Over the Billion-Dollar Cybercrime Underground' by Kevin Poulsen Crown, 2011
[FairfieldLife] Re: Alien Earths Could be Weird
Jedi, If you're a TMer you'll understand transcendental consciousness can be achieved and experienced by anyone. And that one can experience TC along with the waking, dreaming and sleeping consciousness. If you read the Shiva Sutras, the slokas are also talking about the same experiences that is taught by MMY. So, TC is the same as samadhi. This is the difference that TM teaches as compared to the other Indian gurus or even books that you've read. As far as spacial dimensions are concerned, it is my own theory that the various states of consciousness are really the extended higher dimensions from the basic space-time continuum. I've talked about this idea several times in this forum. This is why I believe the scientists at CERN are probably NOT going to discover any higher dimensions with their sophisticated giant machines in Switzerland.
Re:: [FairfieldLife] Re: New member in the family
Dear Sanyam Shrivastava seeker or finder of truth and liberation! Welcome to the slim bright shining curl of our companion world at FFL mysterious grace of moon you may lights a fire anytime in our remembering places at FFL. Topics and basic discussions covered in this group are quite beautiful described by Rick Archer see and just click https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/info https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/info allow me to copy and paste the content for your convenient: Group Description Fairfield Life focuses on topics of interest to seekers (and finders) of truth and liberation everywhere. Fairfield, Iowa is home to Maharishi University of Management, founded by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi in 1971. There are about 2000 Transcendental Meditation practitioners here, as well as many others pursuing various spiritual paths. What is wanted is not the will to believe, but the wish to find out, which is the exact opposite. ~ Bertrand Russell We often discuss the trials and tribulations of the TM Movement, which may not interest some, but that's why God created the delete key. Discussions also draw from diverse teachers such as Ammachi, Eckhart Tolle, Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, Byron Katie, Dalai Lama, Jesus Christ, Buddha, Ramana Maharshi, Shankara, etc. The healthy mind challenges its own assumptions. ~ The I Ching Pretty much any topic is fair game. Currently, there's a lot of discussion about American politics. We have discussed spirituality, politics, economics, morality and higher states of consciousness, drug laws, evolution vs. creationism, enlightenment, advaita, reincarnation, karma, Jyotish (Vedic astrology), yagya, Ayurveda, dzogchen, tantra, channeling, vegetarianism, kundalini, celibacy, sexuality, homosexuality, abortion, racism, UFOs, Buddhism, Hinduism, Veda, Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Scientology, etc. Whatever you think, it's more than that ~ Incredible String Band You can lurk without joining, but you have to join to post. Members can access Files, Photos, Links, and Database. Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense. ~ Buddha Take what you need and leave the rest. ~ The Band I tore myself away from the safe comfort of certainties through my love for the truth; and truth rewarded me. ~ Simone de Beauvoir
Re:: [FairfieldLife] Re: New member in the family
Not an everyday occurrence in Bhopal: Bhopal: Bride gives birth to child right during her wedding ceremony Shahroz Afridi, Hindustan Times Bhopal, February 22, 2014 When a bride gave birth to a child right during her wedding ceremony, the kin of both the bride and groom as well as community members decided to cancel the marriage and wind up the ceremony. However, the groom decided to go ahead with the ceremony and took home not only the bride, but also the newborn baby. The incident unfolded on Friday in the tribal-dominated Dindori district, 466 km east from state capital Bhopal. The bride, Damayanti Bai (name changed), went into labour pain during the 'phere' ceremony and delivered a baby right at the venue. All the guests and relatives present at scene were shocked and most of them tried to persuade the groom Man Singh Dhurve to walk-off the marriage. But to everybody's surprise Man Singh said he could not leave the bride in such a situation and continued with the marriage rites with the baby in his arms. The relatives were forced to rethink on their decision to not participate in the 'tainted' ceremony after Man Singh requested them to stay back. Elders of the community even warned the groom saying that he would be penalised if he married the woman. But an unyielding Man Singh said he was ready to pay the penalty as decided by the community panchayat and the marriage was performed. The day I was engaged to her, I had promised to support her throughout life, said Man Singh. He said that he was happy with his decision that saved two families from being humiliated. The groom's father too appreciating his son's act said he was ready to pay the penalty if the panchayat members say so. Chhotelal Dhurve, uncle of the groom, said that initially he had thought of shunning the marriage but the groom's insistence forced him to think again. Now we are proud of his decision, he added. On Mon, 2/24/14, Sanyam Shrivastava starastronomy...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re:: [FairfieldLife] Re: New member in the family To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, February 24, 2014, 2:28 PM Greetings all, I am Sanyam shrivastava, a new member in the family. I am from Bhopal, in India. I practice regular meditation, and to a large scale, have attained third eye meditation. I am an Astronomer, but at the same time i am into Spirituality. I know that sounds contradictory. Anyway, i would like to know, what are the basic discussions covered in this group? :) Thanks in advance
[FairfieldLife] What's Sanyam opinion about G. C.Ve(a)rma case in Bhopal
Since we are privileged to have a Bhopal /India resident here now at our FFL forum wouldn't it be interesting to know Sanyam's opinion about Girish case and latest news? And as astronomer with spritual leaning Sanyam opinion about Maharishi Yagya, Girish were paramount - the divine prime mover ? February 19, 2014:Latest news about Girish C.Varma from The Free Press Journal(est 1933 in Bombay, now Mumbai )forefront of freedom struggle against the British, supporter of the Indian independence movement. Starting from December 30, 2013 The Free Press Journal published 9 article about G.C.V. including February 8, 2014: Complainant (Renu Rani Sharma)alleges acid attack, threatening calls ( contract for her murder),February 9,:Maharshi Vidya Mandir denies hand in ‘acid attack’on woman( Renu Rani Sharma) - See more at: http://freepressjournal.in/?s=Girish+Chandra+Vermax=0y=0 http://freepressjournal.in/?s=Girish+Chandra+Vermax=0y=0 The journal are described as nationalist with left-wing affiliation, even with communist leanings (Bal Thackeray)but let's not forget Satyananda and his friends had the same strong political background before he and they met SBS. The registered charge-sheet seems not to include the land grab charge but other little detail. Girish Verma raped victim for 15 yrs from 1999 to 2014 - See more at: http://freepressjournal.in/girish-verma-raped-victim-for-15-yrs-from-1999-to-2014/#sthash.6m9dqIKi.dpuf http://freepressjournal.in/girish-verma-raped-victim-for-15-yrs-from-1999-to-2014/#sthash.6m9dqIKi.dpuf Girish Verma raped victim for 15 yrs from 1999 to 2014 Charge- sheet filed against Chancellor of Mahesh ogi varsity BHOPAL: The police, on Tuesday, filed charge- sheet against Chancellor of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Vedic University Girish Chandra Verma in the designated court of JMFC Umesh Soni in connection with sexual harassment allegation made by a teacher of a school under him. Challan incorporates statements of 20 witnesses, including principal of Maharishi Vidhyalaya and former school principal Jai Narain Pandey of Azamgarh, Uttar Pradesh. Pandey, in his statement, had informed the police that Verma used to order to appoint girls between 20 years to 25 years and they were appointed only after one- to one screening by Girish Verma. Complainant Renu Rani Sharma, in her statement to police, had alleged that she was removed when she refused to arrange young girls for Verma. Verma took her signatures on blanks papers in 1997- 99. She was first raped on August 22, 1999 and the last time on March 1, 2013. She had lodged first complaint on March 11, 2013 and second complaint on March 24, 2013. Verma was arrested on December 29,2013. He was initially sent in police custody till January 1, 2014. Thereafter he was sent to judicial custody. ADJ Syeda Bano Rehman had rejected the bail plea on January 3, 2014. The High Court,on January 30,2014 had granted bail to him. Justice NK Gupta had granted bail. Verma’s passport and Audi car and other documents have been seized. Mahila Police Station SHO Renu Murab said, “ We have filed challan of 66 pages including statements of all the witness. Next hearing will be on March 5. Charges under sections 376 ( rape) and 506 ( criminal intimidation) of IPC have been registered against Verma”. - See more at: http://freepressjournal.in/girish-verma-raped-victim-for-15-yrs-from-1999-to-2014/#sthash.6m9dqIKi.dpuf http://freepressjournal.in/girish-verma-raped-victim-for-15-yrs-from-1999-to-2014/#sthash.6m9dqIKi.dpuf Complainant Renu Rani Sharma, in her statement to police, had alleged that she was removed when she refused to arrange young girls for Verma (section 506 criminal intimidation?of IPC)- seems the photo from https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/369523 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/369523 was not so farfetched https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/topics/371899 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/topics/371899
Re: [FairfieldLife] Alien Earths Could be Weird
Salyavin, Without space and time, nothing will exist, hence no matter. By logical reasoning, you can understand that space is a conceptual construct, such as the idea of length, width and height. It takes a Knower to conceive of space and time. As such, how is it possible for nothing or even a random quantum fluctuation start space, time and the universe? This is the reason why I strongly disagree with the ideas proposed by Hawking and Krauss relating to the beginning of the universe. By the way, an overwhelming majority of current scientists believe that they can prove what happened before our universe began. Roger Penrose is one of them. You can watch his lecture on this on YouTube. He believes that he can scientifically prove his theory by using space probes. But so far he has failed to show any results.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Alien Earths Could be Weird
You still aren't including the previous post! Space is a conceptual construct huh? So there was no planet earth wheeling its way through space before the people on it perceived it? That makes everything else a bit tricky, little matters like evolution must be a fraud. Quantum tunnelling works on the principle that random fluctuations occur in time as well as space, they are popping about all the time and it only took one to hop into the region before the big bang where space didn't exist and all of a sudden it would. You can argue with the likes of Hawking and Stenger as much as you want but you have to really understand them first and I don't. Would like to see the ideas of this overwhelming number of scientists that can see beyond the start of the universe... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote: Salyavin, Without space and time, nothing will exist, hence no matter. By logical reasoning, you can understand that space is a conceptual construct, such as the idea of length, width and height. It takes a Knower to conceive of space and time. As such, how is it possible for nothing or even a random quantum fluctuation start space, time and the universe? This is the reason why I strongly disagree with the ideas proposed by Hawking and Krauss relating to the beginning of the universe. By the way, an overwhelming majority of current scientists believe that they can prove what happened before our universe began. Roger Penrose is one of them. You can watch his lecture on this on YouTube. He believes that he can scientifically prove his theory by using space probes. But so far he has failed to show any results.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Bill Gates Admits to Chemtrails
Easy -- start counting off by twos. Then the 'twos' kill all the 'ones'. Repeat as necessary, and *no* cutting in line... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote: OK, we need suicide volunteers to bring plant earth populations down under 2 billion. How are we going to do this? On Monday, February 24, 2014 11:32 AM, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: The first time I ever heard or read about this was back in the late 60s or early 70s when there were stories about chemtrails in the alternative press like the L.A. FreePress and Berkeley Barb. It is supposedly a classified program but we are getting leaks about it. I've seen airliners at the same altitude, one with a trail that didn't disperse and another when came a long a few minutes later which had a contrail that of course dissolved behind it. Same altitude, same air temperature. Yes, we may well see a horrible apocalypse if California doesn't get a good rainfall. Food prices will go through the roof and not just here but all over the US. We can only hope this rain storm which is forecast to begin on Weds continues on for quite a while. Human population should have been capped at 2 billion. That is manageable in terms of resources and livability. What we have now is the fallout from far too many people on the planet. On 02/24/2014 06:35 AM, doctordumbass@... mailto:doctordumbass@... wrote: Cloud seeding with silver iodide has been going on for decades, without much concern. The reason we are in a drought is due directly to global warming, probably aided by our huge population growth, and consequent (warm) pollution. We have a high pressure zone sitting on top of California, which prevents the normal Pacific current from bringing us our Winter water. I have noticed the Pacific current, which runs the length of California's coast, has been warming up for about a decade. It was only a matter of time before the land began to retain enough heat, in the Winter, to create a high pressure system, as is commonly produced here, in the Summer months. So, we are in a severe drought. I am not sure how we escape the cycle, at this point. Desalination plants are a good (very expensive) idea for the longer term, though I am not sure that even those can supply enough water for agriculture. A Chinese curse comes to mind: May you live in interesting times. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Indeed it is. It seems aluminum is the most important ingredient in the chemtrail, yet the Californians wonder why they are stricken with drought. Like the Americans say: Go figure !
Re: [FairfieldLife] Alien Earths Could be Weird
The following link is to a page where the attempt is made to explain, or at least illuminate the idea of creation from 'nothing' without a god. I debate the sentence 'It takes a Knower to conceive of space and time'. It takes a mind to conceive of space and time. A 'knower' might be conceived of as being required for experience (i.e. consciousness). But as to whether this consciousness is separate from or identical with what is experienced depends on whatever that perceptual quality of experience is. If the latter, there is no Knower, only the experience. The more integrated one's experience is, the less room there is for a knower, or something that *has* the experience, the experience simply exists, and that is that. The mind conceives space and time, the consciousness makes that an experience, in some mysterious way, but separating out these things as various facets creates problems of logical coherency. http://infidels.org/library/modern/mark_vuletic/vacuum.html http://infidels.org/library/modern/mark_vuletic/vacuum.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] The Truth
As it relates to the earlier discussion about radiating unconditional love, such a saint would be fully aware of both the bliss, and the great physical pain, and the source of each. Maybe it is then like stubbing your toe, while your child is running towards you, for a hug. The hug still happens, fully and deeply, while you think, ouch, that toe hurts. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Doc, I agree that all this stuff resides in the physiology and arises from there. But then I remember reading about saints who were in bliss but also great physical pain. Any thoughts about that? On Monday, February 24, 2014 1:02 PM, doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@... wrote: Beliefs in limitations don't arise, unless the limitation is evident within oneself. Similarly, a belief in one's unlimited ability doesn't arise, unless the ability within oneself is present - latent, perhaps, but present. So, although we all enjoy 'owning' our beliefs, even arguing for them, and thinking of them as choices we each make, they are really much more of a rationalized expression, of the state of our physiology. However, as humans, we have this unique ability to set a conflict within ourselves, to believe in something, that in terms of everyday life, we cannot support. It is simply not possible - Not impossible, in terms of future achievement, but in terms of simply thinking it so, it is not possible for a belief to instantaneously override the physiology. That means, if, as this guy says, we believe in giving unconditional love, but we do not have the capacity, all we can offer is inner conflict, and why would you want to pass that on? Once the ability to offer unconditional love is there, it doesn't matter what our belief is, at all - we can only spread, and share it. I find that humans are not as smart as we *think* we are - life, itself, serves as much better mirror, and teacher. :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: But Doc, is it conditioning that is preventing unconditional love. Or is it the belief that conditioning is preventing unconditional love that is the real culprit?! PS I find David Deida to be a very profound thinker so I take to heart what he says. On Monday, February 24, 2014 8:20 AM, doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@... wrote: Who, then, is doing the unconditional loving, in those cases? It is a very strange thing to assert, since it is conditioning which prevents unconditional love, in the first place. Perhaps he is merely mentioning the old saw, to not wait for full enlightenment, to begin living a full life, and that is always good advice. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Thanks, Ann. I tend to come from a perspective of psychological health is good. But I know one spritual teacher, David Deida, who though he thinks it's good too, also thinks that people can love unconditionally even if they're totally screwed up! On Sunday, February 23, 2014 8:02 PM, awoelflebater@... awoelflebater@... wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: turq, I very much enjoy these statistics and understand what you are saying. However, I think the conclusions need to be a bit more nuanced. Because if a person thinks he or she is insignificant, then they will think other humans are insignificant too. And that often leads to all kinds of problematic behavior. I think what's better is a healthy self regard which promotes growth in regard for others, indeed for all life. I like this post, Share. I believe much of what you say here is true. On Sunday, February 23, 2014 1:55 AM, turquoiseb@... turquoiseb@... wrote: A post for those who claim to value the Truth. Here it is. Now get over your puny self.
