[FairfieldLife] Re: So where do the TM mantras come from?
Yes they work, and I have no doubt that Maharishi experimented. TM has at least 4 versions of Mother Sarasvati's bija, there is the more tantric `ng' ending bija aing pronounced as `i-ing,' then you have the same bija with the `ah' sound added to it this is known as a bija combo. You have the more Vedic anusvara ending bija aim pronounced as `i-im, and then you have a slightly different combo bija aima pronounced as "i-eem-ah" TM tends to stretch out the bijas making them more 2 syllable sounds rather than monosyllable sounds. For example `Kring' Mother Kali's bija becomes `Ki-Ring' I believe that he was short on mantras, and came up with various versions of the same bija representing a particular of Divine Manifestation. >From my experience the idea of not doing japa of your mantra outside periods of meditation is total bullshit. Bijas and other mantras should be available for everyone, not just the elite few! Maharishi brought a priceless gift to the West, but continued to allow it to be shrouded in mystery. But the World is changing fast, and with the rapid pace of evolution, I'm sure that more and more people will start using these mantras without having to bow down to some external guru, who after all is only part of the one energy or pure consciousness of which we are all contained in! Funny that he didn't issue Lord Kama's bija `Kling,' but then `Ki- Ling' would not sound so well! Namaste, Billy --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "BillyG." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > On May 17, 2008, at 12:41 PM, BillyG. wrote: > > > > > Check out the bija (seed sounds) from the 5th, Vishuddha chakra! Do > > > you think MMY knew this all along? The Vishuddha chakra (wheel) has 16 > > > petals with one bija seed sound associated with each petal, the 50 > > > bija seed sounds of the petals of the chakras are also the source of > > > the major sounds of the Sanskrit alphabet > > > > > > Yes'd I was aware of this. My Sanskrit professor actually taught us > > how to pronounce the alphabet and then the activation of the chakra > > petals through chanting with him. Did you note that there is a chakra > > at the tip of the epiglottis and what it's bij is? > > > > I'd be surprised if he hadn't. He at least would have heard of it from > > his pundits like Ravi. And since the popular text describing the > > attribution was popular in the 60's (The Serpent Power), there was > > easy access there. > > > > Interestingly, neuroscientists are now realizing that the acquisition > > of samadhi in growing meditation expertise parallels the way the brain > > integrates the learning of language acquisition (the so-called U- > > shaped curve). Amazing how this same process was known long, long ago > > as many of the inner tantras (Hindu, Buddhist or Jain) have some > > attribution of the letter sounds to the increasing integration of > > awareness. Guru Dev's lineage believed each line holder had to master > > all the experiences of all the petals before they would be capable of > > "holding" the tradition (in their consciousness) and thus passing it > > on in full. M's one guru even spoke of it in his translation of the > > Shiva sutra. > > > > "By establishing and meditating on the wheel of energies the > > differentiated universe comes to an end. > > > > Such a heroic yogi experiences the expansive state of turiya in the > > differentiated states of waking, dreaming and deep sleep." > > Yeah, I think he knew, Larry Domash did a good job splaining it > though!, even though we won't know if his version is indeed the > correct one, since MMY never clearly indicated where and how he > devised the TM mantras. Maybe it really doesn't matter anyway, they do > work, at least for me! >
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Belgium Declaration
Hi Shemp, Wasn't this the way TM was meant to be,at least its the version I signed up to. Billy --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The TM Program Prime Directive: > The Belgium Declaration > > "What we teach is something to be done 15, 20 minutes morning and > evening. Regarding other things? We have no opinion. We leave a man > to do what he wants to do. We just teach Transcendental Meditation, > give the knowledge of the pure creative intelligence. What he should > do, what he should not do, he will decide in his own level of > consciousness. Nothing, neither we advice on religion, nor diets, > nor anything, do's and don'ts we don't talk about. Simply, > innocently teach the practice, give the knowledge pertaining to the > practice, satisfy all the doubt and questions regarding understanding > and then leave the man to be with his tradition, with his culture, > with his way of life, with everything that he wants to do. > > "Just 15 minutes morning and evening. He can practice hundreds of > meditations, we don't mind. As long as he does this 15-minutes, 20- > minutes morning and evening, he will enjoy, begin to enjoy everything > that he will do, either meditation or no meditation or whatever. > Whatever he will do in life, he will begin to enjoy more because > everything will become more meaningful. Just we concern ourselves > with this practical aspect of this science. Simple. Very simple, > very natural. > > "One of the strengths of the World Plan is this innocence of our > Movement, we never go into any other area except Transcendental > Meditation. That's all." > > - Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, March 12, 1974, Belgium. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Invincible Donovan University
Yea, and he won't forget his mantra either:- http://www.sabotage.demon.co.uk/donovan/inter.htm Next it was me. "Ah! Donovan" he always called me his transcendental singer, because of all the singers of the sixties, I could do this kind of mediative music, essentially like "Isle of Islay" if I touch the strings in a certain way, if I sang in a certain way I could put people into a deep space which he was about to do for me. "Come in, sit down, close your eyes, breath and say this word". He said "You're not supposed to tell anybody this" and he said "Say I- ing" so I said "I-ing" "No" he said "Not aloud - inside" and I said this word I-ing and he had already calmed me down and I fell into this deep hole, I just went deeper and deeper, he gave me that, forget the press, he introduced me into this system which you have to keep up and of course none of us are good at keeping things up. So I still meditate in certain ways. He said "Now come and see me again, come to India." That came later. But then an aid came in "Are you ready for the next ones?" "Yes and who are they?".. "Well Maharishi, they call themselves The Grateful Dead". Maharishi said "You should not call yourselves The Grateful Dead, you should call yourselves The Grateful Living." Maharishi was funny, I liked him." S: "Donovan, what is your real full name?" D: "Donovan Philips Leitch. Now my father, his name is Donald and he wanted a D but he didn't want Donald, he didn't want Dermot and he didn't want Dougal and he was watching a cowboy movie one day and he saw this guy pull his six gun out and shoot the town to hell and his name was Donovan. So he said "Let's call him Donovan." --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > > > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > On Behalf Of bob_brigante > > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 4:18 PM > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Invincible Donovan University > > > > > > > > HYPERLINK > > "http://news.scotsman.com/entertainment.cfm? > id=1711292007"http://news.scotsm > > an.com/entertainment.cfm?id=1711292007 > > > > Guess who came up with that title? Maharishi never could leave a > good thing > > along, but had to tinker with it until it broke. > > > > What I love about it that Donovan quit doing TM for about 30 years, > started doing some other meditation technique and just restarted > doing TM (hopefully) a few years ago after he gave that concert at > MIU. > > Maybe once the university is up and running Donovan can quit doing TM > and revert back to the other technique and teach that at the school... > > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.11/1093 - Release Date: > 10/25/2007 > > 5:38 PM > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Power of the Puja (What is the purpose of the puja?)
Even the Lords Prayer in the orignial Arameic,another Energy language,would probably work,as it takes one back to source - see: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUIlaRKOT7A See how much more Cosmic this version is to what most of us know! Namaste, Billy --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "biosoundbill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I imagine that any puja work work to take the mind of the teacher to > a higher level to impart the mantra with shakti. > > Billy > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote: > > > > The puja as taught by MMY is about identification from gross to > > subtle. It is worship conducted according to ANCIENT rules of > > mental-judo and is one of the purest forms of > > ritual-that-actually-works available on the planet. I don't think > MMY > > messed with these "rules." If done "correctly," the TM puja will > > engage everything about one and INVOLVE IT at every level with an > > "attuning intent" towards perfection and purity. > > > > If I watch Bret Farvre throw a touchdown pass, I instantly "enter" > his > > life to whatever extent my imagination can "insert me," and I get a > > vicarious thrill that is "full" and "intense" in direct proportion > to > > MY ABILITY TO INSERT -- my ability to identify. > > > > As a boy, I would watch ants scurrying and KNOW what I would be > > "facing" if I were one of them. Pebbles are mountains, passing > cars > > are Ravana, gigantic "little boy" observer is God, that sort of > thing. > > Did I learn anything by such "channelings?" You betcha. > > > > Scientists have shown that monkeys who are "not allowed to do a > task > > but ARE allowed to see other monkeys doing that task" will learn > that > > task faster than the normal-monkey-learning-rate if they're later > > given the chance, because, in their minds, they'd already practiced > > the skill. This is the value of identification. > > > > Look at the below puja words. Doesn't matter that is isn't the TM > puja > > words. They'll serve us here. > > > > If even one of those statements were to be identified with by me, > the > > "bones," that the words are, would be fleshed out with imagination, > > and like me as ant-boy or me as Brett -- to some degree -- I'd "see > > myself as" the kind of personality that would say those words. > Just > > as I can find my inner ant or quarterback, I can find my inner > saint. > > (Or, devil, so beware whatcher tinkin, eh?) > > > > "My soul is your temple my Lord." > > > > What a powerhouse concept. > > > > Spend some time on that -- even on the gross conceptual level. > > Interpret that poetry. Imagine yourself actually before God and > saying > > such. One could spend an entire lifetime doing this kind of "mood > > making" and never run out of thrills. > > > > "You are inside me, Lord. Worship existence and make it holy > through > > your identification with the good thoughts and actions coming from > You > > through me -- your holy robot -- into the world. Pray inside me, > and > > let my thoughts be Your prayers. Let me be perfectly clean, and > calm, > > and quiet, and in awe when You do this. Program me, Lord. Let me > chop > > wood and carry water and throw touchdown passes as Thee." > > > > Even on the level of FFLife posting, the above sort > of "attentioning," > > can be a deeply edifying experience of culturing one's personality > > with life-supporting imagining. > > > > If I translate the below puja's English into Edglish, I will be > > improved for sure. > > > > That's just on the gross level of conceptual thought, but the puja > is > > so much more, right? Beyond mere translation of the Sanskrit, we > were > > taught how to monkey-pre-learn being priestly and be able to engage > > our imaginations at profoundly deeper levels by giving them "a > running > > start by getting advice from those who have been there and have the > > tee shirt" in that: > > > > 1. We were instructed that the very sounds in the air of the > Sanskrit > > recitation are a balm to the psychic energies in the environment. > How > > good is that, eh? To know one's voicings are soothing the angst of > > the environment
[FairfieldLife] Re: Power of the Puja (What is the purpose of the puja?)
was given to us so that we wouldn't > have to spend time re-inventing the wheel for the kind of concepts > that the words were meant to trigger within one's mind. So no work > involved doing this -- saves one from having to "work at a gross level > of concept." One doesn't have to be a Sanskrit scholar to have a > "comfortable enough" understanding such that the intellect is > satisfied, and what?, it then can let go of having to "work on the > translation." A free ride for the intellect during the puja -- more > chance for silence to fill the mind instead. I'm feeling like a holy > Brett! > > 3. The emotions one would be expected to have while such concepts are > entertained in the mind are taught to us -- via concept -- and this > removes the need for us to have to imagine/discover which ones would > be apropos for the ritual. The emotions that a saint would have while > doing puja are explained to us, and we can feel assured that we have > "good targets" to try to hit. Again, another free ride -- this time > for the heart. > > 4. We give gifts that are symbolic of every possible thing of value > to our robot. With about a dozen gifts, we give everything back to > God. This is an act of contrition, therapeutic retribution, and a > spiritual undoing of one's thieving from God -- we steal the ownership > of ALL THIS -- including our very thoughts which are not ours, and > must surrender these things to their rightful Owner. How edifying is > that, eh? How cool to be able to rectify one's existence with mere > reimbursement, eh? > > 5. We send out sounds and lights and scents to the environment, and > display our worshipful actions to all and instruct the world with our > own minds filled by this ritual SELF inspiration. We breathe SELF -- > inhale God -- and thus inspire others with this modeling. > > 6. And so much more. > > This is the power of identification used for worship. > > TOUCHDOWN! > > The puja is all about getting the teacher subtle enough that the vibe > of the teacher can demonstrate to the initiate (a pre-learning > monkey,) so that the initiate will have a "sense of silence" when the > mantra leads to that silence. The initiate will be comforted that the > direction being traveled leads to the goal by seeing the same silence > of the puja also inwardly available to anyone "who can think a thought." > > There's not a person on the planet who doesn't understand "vibe." > Anyone can read anyone else's vibe. Energy cannot be veiled by merely > keeping a straight face. Robots know robots. > > When I watch a crowd pass by, I know each person's "feel." I make no > mistakes. There's a difference between George Bush and the Dali Lama > that anyone can know instantly. > > This is the power of the puja -- to forthrightly deliver the goods -- > THE VIBE OF SILENCE -- to the initiate -- BAM, here's silence, my > intellect is ego-silent, my actions are ego-silent, my words are > ego-silent, my feelings are ego-silent -- everything I "am" is ancient > and not local-time egoic. This is what your mantra will lead you to. > > The priest's inner state is seen by any other robot as "vibe." And in > ordinary life this is an authentic knowledge with wondrous > practicality -- choosing one's friends is exactly the same thing as > choosing one's ashram. Birds of a feather thingy. > > Prune your life -- you got the clippers! > > The puja is pure gold. > > It's like going out on Halloween and having the best God costume. > > Edg > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "biosoundbill" > wrote: > > > > I often wonder why a mental puja is not used. > > > > Burn some incense,and have the Initiate observe the teacher chanting > > a mental pija in preparing himself/herself to impart the mantra. > > > > Here is an example of a mental puja:- > > > > The Shiva manasa puja by Sri Adi Shankaracharya is a unique stotra. > > It in in the form of a prayer by a devotee who imagines in his mind > > all the offerings and rituals prescribed in a pooja and offers them > > to lord Shiva with faith and devotion. This stotra is an eye opener > > to those who are fanatic about rituals as it clearly shows that > > faith and intentions are more important! > > Adi Sankaracharya's > > Shiva Manasa Pooja > > [The mental worship of Lord Shiva] > > Translated by P. R. Ramachander > > > > Aaradhayami mani san
[FairfieldLife] Re: What is the purpose of the puja?
st > raises shakti to a high point temporarily enough to enliven the mantra. > And yes to those who speak of the changes in the environment pujas will > enliven the environment (or purify -- pick your choice of words and not > to mention how zoned out the intitator becomes). IOW, it is a science of > sound that is creating the effect. Of course one can argue that > Brahmananda Saraswati (remember the title Guru Dev can mean a different > person in another tradition) or the energy "link" from the tradition of > masters is being passed along because that IS of course shakti. > > > biosoundbill wrote: > > Is it true that Guru Dev is the primary link to the Holy > > Tradition,and that he actually becomes ones Guru through the > > Initiation? > > > > I have seen a very similar puja where Shiva is the main link. > > > > Namaste, > > > > Billy > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: > > > >> biosoundbill wrote: > >> > >>> Does anybody know what is the purpose of the TM puja? > >>> > >>> Is it to enliven the mantra,or is it to help the teacher to > >>> > > connect > > > >>> with Guru Dev,or to go to the transcendent in order to fuse the > >>> > > mantra > > > >>> with shakti,before passing it on to the initiate? any > >>> > > thoughts,or > > > >>> opinions? > >>> > >>> Namaste, > >>> > >>> Billy > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> To enliven the mantra in lieu of having a guru mantra to enliven > >> > > it and > > > >> giving shaktipat for a meditation kickstart. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: What is the purpose of the puja?
I am a Usui Reiki Master,I hate that title,but it just means I can attune people to the 3 different levels of Reiki. When I perform an attunement on somebody,I get totally bombed out,and I always notice that my meditations are much more blissful for several days afterwards. It's probably something to do with the heightened energy from the attunement. Namaste, Billy --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I don't think it is anything at all mystical like that. The puja just > raises shakti to a high point temporarily enough to enliven the mantra. > And yes to those who speak of the changes in the environment pujas will > enliven the environment (or purify -- pick your choice of words and not > to mention how zoned out the intitator becomes). IOW, it is a science of > sound that is creating the effect. Of course one can argue that > Brahmananda Saraswati (remember the title Guru Dev can mean a different > person in another tradition) or the energy "link" from the tradition of > masters is being passed along because that IS of course shakti. > > > biosoundbill wrote: > > Is it true that Guru Dev is the primary link to the Holy > > Tradition,and that he actually becomes ones Guru through the > > Initiation? > > > > I have seen a very similar puja where Shiva is the main link. > > > > Namaste, > > > > Billy > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: > > > >> biosoundbill wrote: > >> > >>> Does anybody know what is the purpose of the TM puja? > >>> > >>> Is it to enliven the mantra,or is it to help the teacher to > >>> > > connect > > > >>> with Guru Dev,or to go to the transcendent in order to fuse the > >>> > > mantra > > > >>> with shakti,before passing it on to the initiate? any > >>> > > thoughts,or > > > >>> opinions? > >>> > >>> Namaste, > >>> > >>> Billy > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> To enliven the mantra in lieu of having a guru mantra to enliven > >> > > it and > > > >> giving shaktipat for a meditation kickstart. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: What is the purpose of the puja?
Is it true that Guru Dev is the primary link to the Holy Tradition,and that he actually becomes ones Guru through the Initiation? I have seen a very similar puja where Shiva is the main link. Namaste, Billy --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > biosoundbill wrote: > > Does anybody know what is the purpose of the TM puja? > > > > Is it to enliven the mantra,or is it to help the teacher to connect > > with Guru Dev,or to go to the transcendent in order to fuse the mantra > > with shakti,before passing it on to the initiate? any thoughts,or > > opinions? > > > > Namaste, > > > > Billy > > > > > > > To enliven the mantra in lieu of having a guru mantra to enliven it and > giving shaktipat for a meditation kickstart. >
[FairfieldLife] What is the purpose of the puja?
Does anybody know what is the purpose of the TM puja? Is it to enliven the mantra,or is it to help the teacher to connect with Guru Dev,or to go to the transcendent in order to fuse the mantra with shakti,before passing it on to the initiate? any thoughts,or opinions? Namaste, Billy
[FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn
Thanks Bairitu, I agree about TM Teachers being too slap dash with the mantra. When I was initiated,I sat down the next day to do my morning meditation,could not think of my mantra,rang my teacher in a panic,he calmly said he would check it at the afternoon first day follow up. He was a nice old man in his seventies,I caught up with him years later,and he had reached the ripe old age of 96! When he taught me,he had not yet done the siddhis,he did them the following year in 1978. I got him to repeat my mantra several times,and then I wrote it down phonetically so as never to forget it again,I kept it for years! Thanks for all your help,I really appreciate it. Jai Ma, Billy --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > At a subtler level as with any mantra meditation you're not going to be > able to tell what exactly the pronunciation is. You'll always start > with the mantra clearly and a good teacher will make sure you have the > correct understanding of the pronunciation (it's too slap dash in TM). > Just like TM it can turn into a "faint idea or feeling " more than a > clear pronunciation. Most mantra meditation does not vary from TM much > at all because TM meditation was borrowed from the way mantra meditation > has been taught for centuries (but with different mantras for you > nitpickers). Of course we can "nitpick" about concentration as there > are some schools that emphasize that but not mine. In fact what some > gurus may call "concentration" is the same process as TM of just > bringing the mind back to the mantra when you realize you're off it > rather than forcing the mind on it. > > > biosoundbill wrote: > > Hi Bhairitu, > > > > Does it matter if the pronounciation of a longer mantra changes as > > it becomes more refined ,just as ones TM Mantra changes when > > meditating effortlessly. > > > > Namaste, > > > > Billy > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: > > > >> biosoundbill wrote: > >> > >>> Bhairitu, > >>> > >>> I meant to ask you as you meditate with a longer mantra > >>> effortlessly,are you able to let go completely as in TM where > >>> > > the > > > >>> bija can become very faint,unclear, and barely recognizable.Are > >>> > > you > > > >>> able to allow a longer mantra to become very faint,unclear, and > >>> barely recognizable also? > >>> > >>> >From my preception it seems that a longer mantra would,unlike > >>> > > TM, > > > >>> require a degree of concentration! > >>> > >>> Namaste, > >>> > >>> Billy > >>> > >> Yes the longer mantra will refine to a very faint idea. After a > >> > > while > > > >> the mantra will also just go on it's own so no concentration > >> > > required. > > > > > > > > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn
Hi Bhairitu, Does it matter if the pronounciation of a longer mantra changes as it becomes more refined ,just as ones TM Mantra changes when meditating effortlessly. Namaste, Billy --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > biosoundbill wrote: > > Bhairitu, > > > > I meant to ask you as you meditate with a longer mantra > > effortlessly,are you able to let go completely as in TM where the > > bija can become very faint,unclear, and barely recognizable.Are you > > able to allow a longer mantra to become very faint,unclear, and > > barely recognizable also? > > > > >From my preception it seems that a longer mantra would,unlike TM, > > require a degree of concentration! > > > > Namaste, > > > > Billy > Yes the longer mantra will refine to a very faint idea. After a while > the mantra will also just go on it's own so no concentration required. >
[FairfieldLife] Two general types of Mantras
A friend of mine emailed me this explanation on types of mantras which I would like to share. It highlights the importance of doing TM (Silent Meditation)when working with Japa mantras,in other words not allowing the japa to replace TM,the Japa is an addition to ones TM Practice. Namaste, Billy There are two general types of Mantras: Meditation and Japa. Meditation Mantras are performed silently within, with eyes closed. Japa Mantras are performed as a chant one repeats out loud, though perhaps softly, and may be performed with eyes open or closed. All of the Mantras presented here are Japa Mantras. How do I use a Japa Mantra? A japa mantra is not a meditation mantra. It is based upon the meditation practice. It never replaces it. When beginning a japa mantra, it is best to begin out loud, so the vibrations of the sounds resound in your head. After you become very familiar with the mantra, and you have used it for some time, it will become quieter. It may start to repeat on its own, even in your sleep. That is a good sign. If your mind becomes a rosary of mantras, that is a good thing. If your mind is silent, that is a great thing. Then you can introduce mantras and slokas that are intended to have some effect. If it starts to go on its own, it is okay. Let it go on its own, only pay attention. Do not divide your attention. Be careful if you are driving. There are 5 levels of speech: >From the mouth >From the tongue >From the throat >From the spiritual heart (between the heart and throat) >From Para (the transcendent) After some time the japa mantra will drop to the various levels mentioned above. For speech to produce great impact, it is best spoken from the level of Para. If one is established in the Self, one's speech, one's thoughts are having their impact from that field. Every thought has so much power. It is stated in the Vedic Scriptures that the Vedas are of little use to one who is not established in the Self. Understanding this, you can understand the use of any mantra is dependant upon the consciousness of the one who is using it. You will have some effect always, dependent upon your own spiritual practice and the achievement you have thus far. So it is best to be very settled when using your japa mantra. For example, maybe you can meditate for some minutes prior to doing japa. Maybe you are just waking up in the morning, or taking a walk, or something else which allows you to give full attention of your consciousness to this practice. Your japa will familiarize you with the chosen Deity, Heavenly body, or law of nature, for which you are chanting. The more familiar you become the more intimate the mantra you are chanting becomes to you and the deeper it is impacting consciousness. It is like getting to know someone very well. First you know a little and it's beautiful. Then it turns to respect, then it turns to love. Now you have some power in that field of life. This is a very precious practice. You can become familiar with so many celestial levels of life. Only remember it is all based upon the meditation practice you are doing every day by the grace of your Guru and God.
[FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn
I'll keep the basic TM technique and forget the rest,thanks Bob. Namaste, Billy --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "biosoundbill" > wrote: > > > > > > Okay Bob,if that's the case why not one mantra for everyone? > > > > And don't give me the answer that a proper thought needs to be > > selected for each individual as per Science of Being and art of > > living from p50 on. > > > > As a technique,TM works briliantly for me,but I think the mantra > > coverup was a joke,and now the TMO is a bigger joke! > > > > Why not just come out and tell people, look your mantra is for this > > energy,will produce this result,and is the sacred sound of a deity > > in Hinduism. > > > > Drop the price,the World Government,and all the bullshit,and be > > transparent. > > > > Namaste, > > > > Billy > > > > > > The fact that TM mantras are meaningless sounds in the practice of TM > does not mean that different mantras cannot be assigned depending on > age and gender (the only two factors which are used in assigning > initial TM mantras). > > Since people of different ages are obviously different, and gender is > also an obvious source of personality difference, it's not difficult > to see that different mantras are appropriate for different groups. > > MMY has always said, we teach knowledge of the infinite, not infinite > knowledge. The TMO, if it wanted to be in the job of teaching > infinite knowledge, could certainly get into a long and involved > discussion of mantras, but that is not what an ignorant world needs. > > People need access to infinite awareness, and for that, all they need > to know is the meaningless sound assigned to them during TM > initiation, and how to use that sound. There is no coverup involved > at all here. The cable guy who comes to your house to hook you up > could talk about all sorts of technical details to his non-tech > client, which would only be baffling and annoying to the client, or > the installer could use his brain, exercise common sense, and just do > the hook-up and let the client enjoy. > > You don't realize that the price increase and other measures are > intended to slow down the growth of the movement. Sounds ridiculous, > but it's a policy that MMY announced a long time ago: > > http://geocities.com/bbrigante/retards.html#light > > But now, it does not matter what happens on the level of individuals > learning TM. MMY is having pundits bring the influence of the gods > onto earth, an influence much more powerful than that of a few humans > doing TM. Also under the name of "Towers of Invincibility" > Shivalingams are also being constructed around the world, which will > bring the auspicious Shiva influence on earth. > > It's frustrating to see the progress by fits and starts of the TMO, > but it was only necessary for MMY to light a few candles in the West, > preparing the way for a restoration of Vedic culture in India: > > In his press conference of 13Apr2005 at mou.org, Maharishi said > that "As Indian national consciousness rises in coherence -- which is > the basis of invincibility for the nation then world consciousness > will rise in coherence which is the basis of permanent world > peace...One sun rises, but its innumerable rays spread light > everywhere...So it's natural for the influence of coherence to spread > from India to the whole world." In the mou.org Press Conference 26 > June 2002, Maharishi said: "India is the only country which can > assume a parental role for every country of the world with this > knowledge of the Veda, with this total knowledge of Natural Law, the > Will of God. And everything is possible under the protective nature > of the Will of God, invincible God." > > > Bob Brigante > http://geocities.com/bbrigante > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "biosoundbill" > > > > wrote: > > > You will find a > > > > few of the 'meaningless sounds' used by TM > > > > > > * > > > > > > The meaningless sounds used in TM are indeed meaningless sounds > > because > > > that is the proper use of the mantra in TM. If a thought of > > meaning > > > about the mantra or any other thought comes up, we just quietly > go > > back > > > to the mantra. > > > > > > Whether somebody assigns meanings to the TM mantras outside of > the > > > practice of TM has no effect on the proper practice of TM, which > > is to > > > always just go with the sound value of the mantra, and be neutral > > to > > > meaning or any other thought. > > > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn
I really hope that what you are saying is true.I'm not questioning your sincerity. I just don't trust the TMO! Something is going on,I have no doubt as I'm having brilliant meditations lately,transcending on a very regular basis. Thanks Bob, Namaste, Billy --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "biosoundbill" > wrote: > > > > > > Okay Bob,if that's the case why not one mantra for everyone? > > > > And don't give me the answer that a proper thought needs to be > > selected for each individual as per Science of Being and art of > > living from p50 on. > > > > As a technique,TM works briliantly for me,but I think the mantra > > coverup was a joke,and now the TMO is a bigger joke! > > > > Why not just come out and tell people, look your mantra is for this > > energy,will produce this result,and is the sacred sound of a deity > > in Hinduism. > > > > Drop the price,the World Government,and all the bullshit,and be > > transparent. > > > > Namaste, > > > > Billy > > > > > > The fact that TM mantras are meaningless sounds in the practice of TM > does not mean that different mantras cannot be assigned depending on > age and gender (the only two factors which are used in assigning > initial TM mantras). > > Since people of different ages are obviously different, and gender is > also an obvious source of personality difference, it's not difficult > to see that different mantras are appropriate for different groups. > > MMY has always said, we teach knowledge of the infinite, not infinite > knowledge. The TMO, if it wanted to be in the job of teaching > infinite knowledge, could certainly get into a long and involved > discussion of mantras, but that is not what an ignorant world needs. > > People need access to infinite awareness, and for that, all they need > to know is the meaningless sound assigned to them during TM > initiation, and how to use that sound. There is no coverup involved > at all here. The cable guy who comes to your house to hook you up > could talk about all sorts of technical details to his non-tech > client, which would only be baffling and annoying to the client, or > the installer could use his brain, exercise common sense, and just do > the hook-up and let the client enjoy. > > You don't realize that the price increase and other measures are > intended to slow down the growth of the movement. Sounds ridiculous, > but it's a policy that MMY announced a long time ago: > > http://geocities.com/bbrigante/retards.html#light > > But now, it does not matter what happens on the level of individuals > learning TM. MMY is having pundits bring the influence of the gods > onto earth, an influence much more powerful than that of a few humans > doing TM. Also under the name of "Towers of Invincibility" > Shivalingams are also being constructed around the world, which will > bring the auspicious Shiva influence on earth. > > It's frustrating to see the progress by fits and starts of the TMO, > but it was only necessary for MMY to light a few candles in the West, > preparing the way for a restoration of Vedic culture in India: > > In his press conference of 13Apr2005 at mou.org, Maharishi said > that "As Indian national consciousness rises in coherence -- which is > the basis of invincibility for the nation then world consciousness > will rise in coherence which is the basis of permanent world > peace...One sun rises, but its innumerable rays spread light > everywhere...So it's natural for the influence of coherence to spread > from India to the whole world." In the mou.org Press Conference 26 > June 2002, Maharishi said: "India is the only country which can > assume a parental role for every country of the world with this > knowledge of the Veda, with this total knowledge of Natural Law, the > Will of God. And everything is possible under the protective nature > of the Will of God, invincible God." > > > Bob Brigante > http://geocities.com/bbrigante > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "biosoundbill" > > > > wrote: > > > You will find a > > > > few of the 'meaningless sounds' used by TM > > > > > > * > > > > > > The meaningless sounds used in TM are indeed meaningless sounds > > because > > > that is the proper use of the mantra in TM. If a thought of > > meaning > > > about the mantra or any other thought comes up, we just quietly > go > > back > > > to the mantra. > > > > > > Whether somebody assigns meanings to the TM mantras outside of > the > > > practice of TM has no effect on the proper practice of TM, which > > is to > > > always just go with the sound value of the mantra, and be neutral > > to > > > meaning or any other thought. > > > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn
Okay Bob,if that's the case why not one mantra for everyone? And don't give me the answer that a proper thought needs to be selected for each individual as per Science of Being and art of living from p50 on. As a technique,TM works briliantly for me,but I think the mantra coverup was a joke,and now the TMO is a bigger joke! Why not just come out and tell people, look your mantra is for this energy,will produce this result,and is the sacred sound of a deity in Hinduism. Drop the price,the World Government,and all the bullshit,and be transparent. Namaste, Billy --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "biosoundbill" > wrote: > You will find a > > few of the 'meaningless sounds' used by TM > > * > > The meaningless sounds used in TM are indeed meaningless sounds because > that is the proper use of the mantra in TM. If a thought of meaning > about the mantra or any other thought comes up, we just quietly go back > to the mantra. > > Whether somebody assigns meanings to the TM mantras outside of the > practice of TM has no effect on the proper practice of TM, which is to > always just go with the sound value of the mantra, and be neutral to > meaning or any other thought. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn
According to this guy Gabriel,who has Swami Muktananda in his lineage, the repetition of a Biijamantra linked to a particular deity will develop in a person the qualities and attributes embodied by that very deity.They are all doubtless auspicious and will grant the best fruits to you provided that you repeat them with respect and good pronunciation. I think that the bija mantras this guy has on his site with the 'ng' endings are the most powerful Tantric Bija mantras. You will find a few of the 'meaningless sounds' used by TM amongst them also Richard! http://www.sanskrit- sanscrito.com.ar/english/sanskrit_sacredmantras/sacredmantras1.html If you visit the following website - http://www.tantrananda.com/ You can purchase cds with bija mantras very similar to Gabriels except they end in 'm' rather than 'ng' for example 'Shring'for Lakshmi becomes 'Shrim' where the 'rim' part is pronounced the same as the 'rim' of a wheel. I think,or in my opinion these are the 2nd most powerful set of bija mantras. Finally if you listen to some of Thomas Ashley Farrand's cds you will get the 3rd most powerful set of bija mantras- for example;- Eim,Shreem,Hreem,Kreem,Kleem etc If you experiment you will find that the first set ala Gabriel will take you much deeper in meditation than the 2nd set,and the 2nd set will take you many times deeper in meditation than the 3rd set. I think through experimentation on early TM Guinea pigs MMY discovered this. For example the age group 24 to 35 got a Lakshmi Bija. The younger ones got the more powerful version 'Shring,' and the rest were penalized for being older and got 'shrim' BTW I have tried meditating with both,and have transcended on both,but definately in my experience 'shring' works faster,and is much more powerful. Namaste, Billy --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > What, exactly, is a bija mantra anyway? > > > > > > Do bija mantras always have to be recieved in one-on-one > > > initiation from a genuine tantric guru? Are bija mantras > > > effective if you find them in a book? > > > > > > Why all the secrecy about bija mantras? > > > > > > > *** > > The thing about bija mantras (which are certainly not secret, being > listed in several Vedic texts) needing their proper use to be taught > by a teacher is because they are powerful. The ancient text Srimad > Devi Bhagavatam (this is different from the Srimad Bhagavatam) says, > after listing the bija mantras used in TM, that results will not be > good for those who try to learn TM on their own (I can't cite the > page, it's been too long since I read the SDB): > > > http://tinyurl.com/e4q48 > > "Bija" means "seed" -- these are powerful mantras, which when planted > properly, result in the growth of consciousness in the initiate, so > their proper use needs to be guided by a teacher, just as you would > check with an expert gardener if you had some seeds you wanted to > plant and enjoy optimal growth of the plant. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn
What, exactly, is a bija mantra anyway? > > Do bija mantras always have to be recieved in one-on-one > initiation from a genuine tantric guru? Are bija mantras > effective if you find them in a book? > > Why all the secrecy about bija mantras? > I think by getting an initiation from from a TM Teacher,or from genuine tantric guru - if you can find one, you are removing all the uncertainty. I transcended for the first time 3 days after learning,so for me TM is a sure thing. I don't agree with the price for learning nowadays,and I think the TMO is weird,but for me the technique is still brilliant. I regularly chant longer mantras for different purposes in life,but always do my twice daily 20mins of TM. Tantrics tend to chant mantras internally.All mantras can be used without initiation,but they are more effective when given by a realised guru or with his blessing. Billy --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > biosoundbill wrote: > > After all is said and done, I can't complain about > > the way I was taught to meditate in TM, or even about > > the mantra I got, meaningless or otherwise. > > > But I didn't say that your mantra was "meaningless". > According to several informants here, you got the nick > name of a Hindu demi-God to repeat in your meditation. > The two Barry's seem to agree with this and so does Vaj > the Nath. Mr. Manning even taught this when he was a TM > teacher. But apparently Judy doesn't agree with this. > > > It works for me, and even though the organization that > > propagates TM has become ultra commercial, the technique > > still holds good. > > > > So I won't distrust the method or the mantra I got. > > It came at the right time in my life, saved my life, > > and continues to work in my life. What more can I say, > > except I don't want an advanced technique, the basic one > > is working fine! > > > You don't get any more mantras in the advanced technique, > according to Judy. You get only one mantra in TM - the > other add-on phrases are just plain Sanskrit words like, > Sri, Namah, etc. > > The question is, where do the TM bija mantras come from? > From Swami Brahmanand Saraswati? From a book? Did the > Marshy just make up some non-sense gibberish and then > call them bijas? If he got them from his teacher, the > question becomes, where did the Marshy's teacher get > the bija mantras? Was Brahmmanand a tantric? > > What, exactly, is a bija mantra anyway? > > Do bija mantras always have to be recieved in one-on-one > initiation from a genuine tantric guru? Are bija mantras > effective if you find them in a book? > > Why all the secrecy about bija mantras? >
[FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn
After all is said and done, I can't complain about the way I was taught to meditate in TM, or even about the mantra I got, meaningless or otherwise. It works for me, and even though the organization that propagates TM has become ultra commercial, the technique still holds good. So I won't distrust the method or the mantra I got. It came at the right time in my life, saved my life, and continues to work in my life. What more can I say, except I don't want an advanced technique, the basic one is working fine! Namaste, Billy --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > BillyG wrote: > > I can see the clueless nitwit now, with his Sony laptop > > under the bridge posting to FFL using wireless satellite > > (or stealing the signal from others). :-) > > > You idiot, Murphy - I have an Apple MacBook Pro! The connection > is free - no bridges. But I am a nitwit to ask where the Marshy > got the TM bija mantras. :-) > > > > Sal Sunshine wrote: > > > > --anyone who doesn't know that "bija mantras" are > > > > used in TM > > > > > > > So, Sal, where do you think the TM bija mantras come from? > > > > > > > is a clueless nitwit who lives under a bridge. > > > > > Richard J. Williams wrote: > > > > If you are so smart, why don't tell us the name of the > > > > tantric guru that taught them to the Marshy. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn
Bhairitu, I meant to ask you as you meditate with a longer mantra effortlessly,are you able to let go completely as in TM where the bija can become very faint,unclear, and barely recognizable.Are you able to allow a longer mantra to become very faint,unclear, and barely recognizable also? >From my preception it seems that a longer mantra would,unlike TM, require a degree of concentration! Namaste, Billy --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > kaladevi93 wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: > > > > > >> A longer mantra cultures the mind at deeper levels. The short bij > >> mantra bobs up and down. It is not like a rock but more like a > >> basketball being dribbled. But the longer mantra keeps you at a deep > >> level for longer periods of time. Unfortunately on the airplane trip > >> home after TTC where MMY gave out the advanced techniques about 2/3's of > >> those who got advanced techniques couldn't remember what they were > >> given. I had two versions in my mind: the correct one and one shorter > >> but didn't know which was right. I went on for years switching between > >> one and the other with different results. I didn't care much for that > >> uncertainty and even wrote two mantra check letters to MMY but never got > >> anything back. > >> > >> > > > > Rather than making an absolute statement that would clearly appeal to TMers, wouldn't it > > be fairer to say 'in some simple forms of meditation using mental repetition of mantra a > > longer mantra can culture the mind at deeper levels. A short bija mantra can sometimes > > bob up and down.' Otherwise you are ignoring the fact that some yogis will use a bija and > > trace it's component parts to beyond the mind and to the deepest absorptions (something > > never witnessed in TM meditators). Likewise other lay people may just use a long mantra > > in a more discursive fashion (consider 'Hail Mary, full of grace. The Lord is with thee. > > Blessed art thou amongst women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, > > Mother of God..etc.' as an English example or Om Mani Padme Hum superstitiously > > repeated by thousands of TIbetans). > > > > Your statement is not absolutely true, only conditionally true. > It still conveys the concept. I'm not going to waste a lot of time > exactly crafting my statements. Who has time for that? >
[FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn
Hi Richard, In the text below you appear to be admitting that bija mantras are used in TM! Why the sudden change of mind,are you a little confused? Namaste, Billy > [FairfieldLife] Re: Did MMY's Guru Dev teach TM? Anybody > know. > Richard J. Williams > Sun, 21 Jan 2007 09:55:44 -0800 > > wgm4u wrote: > > > > Just wondering if the 'tradition' starts with MMY. :-) > > > Billy - The TM tradition probably originated with the Nath alchemists > of medieval India, the so-called "Eighty-four Mahasiddhas" and with > Matsyendranath, the inventor of Hatha Yoga. This tradition was taken > to Kashmir where it became the Trika system and then later to South > Asia to become the Sri Vidya tradition of Shankara. > > According to what I've read, Guru Dev's teacher was Swami Krishanand > Saraswati of Sringeri. If so, that means that Guru Dev was, like his > teacher, a student of the Sri Vidya, which was established by > Shankara > at Sringeri. Apparently there are three TM bija mantras inscribed on > the Sri Chakra, which is ensconced at the Sringeri temple. > > It is a fact that all the Saraswati Dasanamis worship the Sri Vidya. > It is also a fact that the Sri Chakra is ensconced on the mandir at > Dwarka and at the Kanchi Mathas. It is also a fact that all the > Adwaita Sannyasins claim that Adi Shankara established four mathas as > seats of learning and for the worship of Sri Vidya. In addition, all > the Shankaracharyas agree that Shankara composed the Soundaryalahari, > with the TM bija mantras included among the thirteeen other bija > mantras. > > According to the Shankaracharya of Sringeri, the Adi Shankara placed > the Sri Chakra, symbol of Tripurasundari, with the TM mantras > inscribed thereon, at each of the seats of learning - Dwarka, Puri, > Sringeri, Kanchi and at Jyotirmath. The mantras of TM are DIRECTLY > related to Sri Vidya. At least three TM bija mantras appear inscribed > on the Sri Chakra. > > According to Swami Rama, Guru Dev was fond of the Sri Chakra and used > one in his puja. So, if the Sri Chakra has the TM mantras written on > it, and Shankara wrote the Soundaryalahari, with the thirteen bija > mantras, three of which are used in the practice of TM, we can assume > that the TM bija mantras used by MMY are derived from the Tantric > Tradition of Shankara as practiced in Kerala State. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > matrixmonitor wrote: > > The Mahareeshee was by No means a sexual deviate! > > He simply had normal sexual relationships, (encounters) > > with various females. > > > So, how would you be knowing anything about the Marshy's > personal sex life? > > > What's wrong with that? > > > Did I say it was wrong? I just said it was deviate, as > reported, on this forum. If you put forth the case that > you are a celibate monk, and then you resort to fornication, > with unmarried female students that work for you, that > certainly is deviating from celibacy. What do you think? > > biosoundbill wrote: > > > > Richard are you saying that the TM mantras are > > > > not Tantric Bija Mantras? > > > > > Richard J. Williams wrote: > > > Bill - The so-called TM bija mantras are just common > > > everyday words from the Sanskrit dictionary. They can > > > be found in almost any standard Sanskrit lexicon. For > > > example, Ram, Sri, Nama...nothing esoteric. > > > > > > In contrast, Buddhist Tantric bijas are all esoteric - > > > sounds that have no semantic meaning. Marshy is not > > > a Tantric Yogi, therefore he would be knowing nothing > > > about any esoteric bijas. He may or may not have been > > > instructed in Sri Vidya by his guru, and Marshy may or > > > may not have read Shankara's Saundarylahari. > > > > > > However, there are no bija mantras to be found in the > > > Rig Veda, the scriptures extolled by the Marshy. If he > > > were to impart any esoteric bija mantras, where whould > > > he have gotten them? If he read them in books, that > > > would be a travesty for him to pass them on - you can > > > get real bija mantras only in an initiation from a > > > tantric guru. > > > > > > There are no bija mantras in Patanjalis Yoga Sutras or > > > in any of the standard Upanishads. > > > > > > That is unless you are suggesting that Marshy was a > > > Tantric Guru - if so, why do you suppose he hasn't > > > shared any of his insights into sexual yoga, and why > > > would he keep all the sex enjoyment techniques to himself? > > > > > > We already know that the Marshy was a sexual deviate - > > > but now you're suggesting that he passed out tantric > > > bija mantras that he read about in a book, without > > > having been an authentic tantric initiate? > > > > > > What's up with that? > > > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Richard Williams (Willytex) a little confused?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "biosoundbill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi Richard, > > In the text below you appear to be admitting that bija mantras are > used in TM! > > Why the sudden change of mind,are you a little confused? > > Namaste, > > Billy > > > > [FairfieldLife] Re: Did MMY's Guru Dev teach TM? Anybody > know. > Richard J. Williams > Sun, 21 Jan 2007 09:55:44 -0800 > > wgm4u wrote: > > > > Just wondering if the 'tradition' starts with MMY. :-) > > > Billy - The TM tradition probably originated with the Nath alchemists > of medieval India, the so-called "Eighty-four Mahasiddhas" and with > Matsyendranath, the inventor of Hatha Yoga. This tradition was taken > to Kashmir where it became the Trika system and then later to South > Asia to become the Sri Vidya tradition of Shankara. > > According to what I've read, Guru Dev's teacher was Swami Krishanand > Saraswati of Sringeri. If so, that means that Guru Dev was, like his > teacher, a student of the Sri Vidya, which was established by > Shankara > at Sringeri. Apparently there are three TM bija mantras inscribed on > the Sri Chakra, which is ensconced at the Sringeri temple. > > It is a fact that all the Saraswati Dasanamis worship the Sri Vidya. > It is also a fact that the Sri Chakra is ensconced on the mandir at > Dwarka and at the Kanchi Mathas. It is also a fact that all the > Adwaita Sannyasins claim that Adi Shankara established four mathas as > seats of learning and for the worship of Sri Vidya. In addition, all > the Shankaracharyas agree that Shankara composed the Soundaryalahari, > with the TM bija mantras included among the thirteeen other bija > mantras. > > According to the Shankaracharya of Sringeri, the Adi Shankara placed > the Sri Chakra, symbol of Tripurasundari, with the TM mantras > inscribed thereon, at each of the seats of learning - Dwarka, Puri, > Sringeri, Kanchi and at Jyotirmath. The mantras of TM are DIRECTLY > related to Sri Vidya. At least three TM bija mantras appear inscribed > on the Sri Chakra. > > According to Swami Rama, Guru Dev was fond of the Sri Chakra and used > one in his puja. So, if the Sri Chakra has the TM mantras written on > it, and Shankara wrote the Soundaryalahari, with the thirteen bija > mantras, three of which are used in the practice of TM, we can assume > that the TM bija mantras used by MMY are derived from the Tantric > Tradition of Shankara as practiced in Kerala State. biosoundbill wrote: > Richard are you saying that the TM mantras are > not Tantric Bija Mantras? > Bill - The so-called TM bija mantras are just common everyday words from the Sanskrit dictionary. They can be found in almost any standard Sanskrit lexicon. For example, Ram, Sri, Nama...nothing esoteric. >
[FairfieldLife] Is Richard Williams (Willytex) a little confused?
Hi Richard, In the text below you appear to be admitting that bija mantras are used in TM! Why the sudden change of mind,are you a little confused? Namaste, Billy [FairfieldLife] Re: Did MMY's Guru Dev teach TM? Anybody know. Richard J. Williams Sun, 21 Jan 2007 09:55:44 -0800 wgm4u wrote: > > Just wondering if the 'tradition' starts with MMY. :-) > Billy - The TM tradition probably originated with the Nath alchemists of medieval India, the so-called "Eighty-four Mahasiddhas" and with Matsyendranath, the inventor of Hatha Yoga. This tradition was taken to Kashmir where it became the Trika system and then later to South Asia to become the Sri Vidya tradition of Shankara. According to what I've read, Guru Dev's teacher was Swami Krishanand Saraswati of Sringeri. If so, that means that Guru Dev was, like his teacher, a student of the Sri Vidya, which was established by Shankara at Sringeri. Apparently there are three TM bija mantras inscribed on the Sri Chakra, which is ensconced at the Sringeri temple. It is a fact that all the Saraswati Dasanamis worship the Sri Vidya. It is also a fact that the Sri Chakra is ensconced on the mandir at Dwarka and at the Kanchi Mathas. It is also a fact that all the Adwaita Sannyasins claim that Adi Shankara established four mathas as seats of learning and for the worship of Sri Vidya. In addition, all the Shankaracharyas agree that Shankara composed the Soundaryalahari, with the TM bija mantras included among the thirteeen other bija mantras. According to the Shankaracharya of Sringeri, the Adi Shankara placed the Sri Chakra, symbol of Tripurasundari, with the TM mantras inscribed thereon, at each of the seats of learning - Dwarka, Puri, Sringeri, Kanchi and at Jyotirmath. The mantras of TM are DIRECTLY related to Sri Vidya. At least three TM bija mantras appear inscribed on the Sri Chakra. According to Swami Rama, Guru Dev was fond of the Sri Chakra and used one in his puja. So, if the Sri Chakra has the TM mantras written on it, and Shankara wrote the Soundaryalahari, with the thirteen bija mantras, three of which are used in the practice of TM, we can assume that the TM bija mantras used by MMY are derived from the Tantric Tradition of Shankara as practiced in Kerala State.
[FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn
Richard are you saying that the TM mantras are not Tantric Bija Mantras? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > biosoundbill wrote: > > Most of the TM mantras are listed in the Varada Tantra. > > > Maybe so, but Varada is the mudra of Ratnasambhava, the > third Dhyani Buddha. The Varada Tantra was composed long > after the advent of Buddhist Tantras. The TM mantras are > enumerated in the Saundaryalahari ascribed to Shankara. > > We can assume that Marshy learned about these mantras from > his guru Swami Brahmanand Saraswati, since the Swami was > a devotee of Tripursundari, the main deity of the Saraswati > devotees of Sringeri. Brahmananda's own guru, Swami Krishanand > Saraswati, hailed from Sringeri, the headquarters of the > Saraswati Dandas. > > > I believe MMY played around with them a little to dilute > > their power, like making Kriing into ki-ring, Shriing > > into shir-ing, Hriing into Hi-ring, shyam into she-am, etc > > He really went to town on Saraswati aing,ainga,aim,and aima > > (Pronounced i-ing, i-ing-ah, i-im, and i-eem-ah respectively) > > was he short on mantras, or what? > > > > Again as I said before, Southern pronunciation is slightly > > different, they pronounce the `ii' in a bija as the `ee' in > > the word feet etc,they also tend to use only the anusvara > > `M' ending,where the lips are closed pushing the sound up > > the nasal passages. It sounds more like the `mb' ending in > > the word Numb! > > > > In the North the `ii' is pronounced more like the `i' in > > the words ring, bring, fling, etc > > Some Northerners use the anusvara `M' ending, but more use > > the allegedly more powerful `ng' ending known as anunAsika, > > - > personally I think the anusvara `M' ending is more > > powerful and grounding in the long term. > > > > The late Harish Johari tended to pronounce the bijas with > > `ng' endings combined with the `ee' sound as against the > > `i' sound giving shreeng, hreeng, kreeng, etc > > > > Bottom line no matter what way the bijas are pronounced > > they are all Tantric. > > > Richard J. Williams wrote: > > > There seems to be some confusion here. Marshy doesn't > > > give out 'bija' mantras, only the names of the devatas, > > > the deified heroes of the Hindu tradition, along with > > > various words and phrases from Sanskrit. Marshy isn't > > > a tantric yogi in the Nath tradition, therefore he > > > would not be knowing any actual bija mantras. The tantric > > > bija mantras are enumerated in the Buddhist Tantras. > > > There are no bija mantras in the Rig Veda, in the > > > Upahishads, or in the Puranas. There are no canonical > > > collections of bija mantras in Hinduism. The Buddhist > > > bija mantras all originated with the Nath Siddhas when > > > India was a Buddhist country. > > > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn
Richard, I disagree with you, I'm not attacking you, and I'm just agreeing to differ. I think MMY should decide on which version of the Tantric mantras he wishes to use. Either the `M' endings or the `ng' endings. He should have each new initiate complete a detailed questionnaire under the supervision of a TM teacher to determine what energy is lacking in the individual. David Frawley, who helped Deepak Chopra develop his technique, uses this type of mantra selection criteria. The mantra or bija mantra would then be selected to suit the constitution of the individual as against giving the same mantra to each individual in an age group. - MMY even speaks about "Why the selection of a proper thought for a particular individual is a vital factor in the practice of Transcendental Meditation" In his book "Science of Being and Art of Living" see page 50 under the heading Importance of a Proper Thought Namaste, Billy --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Probably not one person, in the whole history of mankind, > > > has ever been enlightened by repeating gibberish. > > > > BillyG wrote: > > You mean the powerful goo-goo gaa-gaa mantra? Agreed! > > > According to Marshy, it is NOT the technique that causes > the enlightened state. The Light is already there, you need > no other light to illuminate it. That was the big mistake > made by the Marshy - introducing the mantras. He would have > been wiser to have us meditate on the sound current - Shabd, > the pure sound of Vac - and leave all the bijas to the > Tibetans for their rituals and ceremonies. If not for this > mistake the world would probably be heaven on earth by now! > > As it is, we've now got pundits all over downtown Oakland > whispering non-sense gibberish into the ears of unsuspecting > aspirants, leading them astray and attempting to convince > them that someday they will be acharyas of secret lore. > > Now I ask you: if a secret word or phrase could enlighten > the world, would it not be a crime to keep it secret? > > Forget the puja, forget the mantras, forget the SCI and the > Creation Science - just sit. That's all you have to do. You > are already transcending, even without a technique or a > secret word. > > Sitting IS enlightenment. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn
Richard, Most of the TM mantras are listed in the Varada Tantra. I believe MMY played around with them a little to dilute their power, like making Kriing into ki-ring, Shriing into shir-ing, Hriing into Hi-ring, shyam into she-am, etc He really went to town on Saraswati aing,ainga,aim,and aima (Pronounced i-ing, i-ing-ah, i-im, and i-eem-ah respectively) was he short on mantras, or what? Again as I said before, Southern pronunciation is slightly different, they pronounce the `ii' in a bija as the `ee' in the word feet etc,they also tend to use only the anusvara `M' ending,where the lips are closed pushing the sound up the nasal passages. It sounds more like the `mb' ending in the word Numb! In the North the `ii' is pronounced more like the `i' in the words ring, bring, fling, etc Some Northerners use the anusvara `M' ending, but more use the allegedly more powerful `ng' ending known as anunAsika,-personally I think the anusvara `M' ending is more powerful and grounding in the long term. The late Harish Johari tended to pronounce the bijas with `ng' endings combined with the `ee' sound as against the `i' sound giving shreeng, hreeng, kreeng, etc Bottom line no matter what way the bijas are pronounced they are all Tantric. Namaste, Billy --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Bhairitu wrote: > > The short bij mantra bobs up and down. > > > There seems to be some confusion here. Marshy doesn't > give out 'bija' mantras, only the names of the devatas, > the deified heroes of the Hindu tradition, along with > various words and phrases from Sanskrit. Marshy isn't > a tantric yogi in the Nath tradition, therefore he > would not be knowing any actual bija mantras. The tantric > bija mantras are enumerated in the Buddhist Tantras. > There are no bija mantras in the Rig Veda, in the > Upahishads, or in the Puranas. There are no canonical > collections of bija mantras in Hinduism. The Buddhist > bija mantras all originated with the Nath Siddhas when > India was a Buddhist country. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn
Hi Richard, Lets agree to differ. I fully understand what the word 'Sri' and sometimes 'Shri' means, it's used as a respectful affix to mantras etc. In the mantra Om Shrim Mahalakshmiyei Swaha Rough Translation: 'Om and salutations to that feminine energy which bestows all manner of wealth, and for which Shrim is the seed' Thomas pronounces the bija Shrim as Shreem to rhyme with dream in this mantra,and he explained to me that this is how they pronounce that seed mantra in the South of India,and the same seed mantra is pronounced as Shring or Shrim in the North. You obviously don't agree with me and that's fine. May I suggest that you contact Thomas who is respected as an expert in Sanskrit mantra. His email is- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Namaste, Billy --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > biosoundbill wrote: > > It's not Shri, but Shreem which is the way they > > pronounce the Bija shrIM in the South of India. > > > The Sanskrit word Shri is not a bija mantra, Bill, > that was my point, anyway you pronpounce it. It's a > word found in most standard Sanskrit lexicons - it's > a common name used an an honorific all over India. > > > It's Shring or sometimes Shrim (thats 'sh'and rim > > as in the rim of a wheel) in the North of India. > > > Richard J. Williams wrote: > > > Strictly speaking, none of these phrases you mention > > > are actual bija mantras. Shri is an Sanskrit honorific; > > > Maha is Sanskrit for great; Lakshmiyei is straight out of > > > the Puranas, a personal name popular all over India; and > > > Swaha is the pop-sound of a two stroke motor rikshaw, > > > heard all over New Delhi. > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn
It's not Shri, but Shreem which is the way they pronounce the Bija shrIM in the South of India. It's Shring or sometimes Shrim(thats 'sh'and rim as in the rim of a wheel)in the North of India. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > biosoundbill wrote: > > From your experience, am I correct in saying that > > `Om Shreem Maha Lakshmiyei Swaha' would be the most > > powerful of all 3 meditation mantras? > > > Strictly speaking, none of these phrases you mention > are actual bija mantras. Shri is an Sanskrit honorific; > Maha is Sanskrit for great; Lakshmiyei is straight out of > the Puranas, a personal name popular all over India; and > Swaha is the pop-sound of a two stroke motor rikshaw, > heard all over New Delhi. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn
Thnaks Kala --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kaladevi93 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "biosoundbill" wrote: > > > > Namaskaram Kala Devi, > > > > I'll use a non TM mantra as an example! > > > > Let's say the bija is `Shreem' for the basic TM technique. > > > > Let's say `Om Shreem Namaha' for an advanced technique. > > > > Finally let's say `Om Shreem Maha Lakshmiyei Swaha' for a more > > advanced technique. > > > > From your experience, am I correct in saying that `Om Shreem Maha > > Lakshmiyei Swaha' would be the most powerful of all 3 meditation > > mantras? > > > Not necessarily, as mantras depend on the disposition of the student, most especially the > students mind. There are some techniques utilizing merely a bija mantra which truly go > beyond the mind (but there are specific techniques in addition to the mantra in order to do > so). > > Now if, for example, the Lakshmi mantra IS appropriate for a certain student and they > know the appropriate techniques to use that mantra fully, it could render full results. But > merely giving out mantras for mental repetition, comparitively there could be little or no > difference. However if paying wads of money made one think they had something more > special or important, the change in attitude could affect the students experience of that > mantra, as silly as that sounds, because the resolve and intent has changed. > > In addition to the mental use of mantra there are hosts of other techniques which can be > applied in addition to or with the mantra. Often as the experience of subtlety of mantra > refines, techniques will refine to take the mind deeper, beyond where the mantra > *appears* to end and to allow the meditator to go much further, deeper and longer > (sounds like porn! :-) ). > > Adhikara mantras, mantras which are chosen based on the student, are always favorable > to mantras merely given by puja. With an indiscrimantly given mantra, there is always the > potential for something to go wrong. > > Kala Devi >
[FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn
Namaskaram Kala Devi, I'll use a non TM mantra as an example! Let's say the bija is `Shreem' for the basic TM technique. Let's say `Om Shreem Namaha' for an advanced technique. Finally let's say `Om Shreem Maha Lakshmiyei Swaha' for a more advanced technique. >From your experience, am I correct in saying that `Om Shreem Maha Lakshmiyei Swaha' would be the most powerful of all 3 meditation mantras? Namaste, Billy --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kaladevi93 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "BillyG." wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kaladevi93 wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "biosoundbill" > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I think that the advanced techniques in TM where additional > > > > syllables are added to the mantra are not as powerful as the basic > > > > TM technique. > > > > > > > > The reason I say this is because in the basic TM technique one is > > > > meditating twice daily with the purest, most intense form of a > > > > mantra. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would disagree. The full dharani, the "chain" of mantra and it's > > bija is the most profound > > > expression of mantra. One is the seed and one is the "tree". It is > > only then that we can > > > differentiate and experience the different levels of the mantra > > (vyapini, unmana, samana, etc.) > > > consciously and under will. Failing that we never completely > > transcend the mind but instead > > > simply arrive at what appears like a thought-free state. But vrittis > > are still present at this > > > rudimentary state. This thought-free state can be quite addictive > > and people tend to get > > > stuck there because of this. It's also important that the initate > > has the dhyana-vidhi of the > > > devata as that potentializes the ability to actualize the > > mantra-shakti and communicate with > > > that energy as all-pervasive outside of meditation. > > > > Well, yes and no, that may be intellectually true but *experientially* > > unless the meditator is advanced it can have a slowing down of > > transcending per my experience! > > It's not an intellectual fact, it IS an experiential one. > > But you'd have to have a means of comparison and since this is not the type of mantra that > is given in TM, you would need to experience a different practice. Mostly you see > streamlined teachings being given out by the mass-market meditation vendors. TM > epitomizes that approach. You do not always get what you pay for; personal instruction > will always be the superior vehicle (but at one time TM might have been a good starter > practice). The way TM was instructed years ago will only serve to plumb the grosser levels > of mind but the technique is definitely not an unmana technique, i.e. one that goes truly > beyond the mind. If that was the case (that TM took you beyond the mind, etc.) you would > see people going into very deep absorptions for long periods of time. As far as I am aware, > that is not the case. If it was I'm sure they'd advertise it!!! :-) > > Kala Devi >
[FairfieldLife] I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced technique
I think that the advanced techniques in TM where additional syllables are added to the mantra are not as powerful as the basic TM technique. The reason I say this is because in the basic TM technique one is meditating twice daily with the purest, most intense form of a mantra. Over 20 years ago, I introduced a friend to TM. He took to it like a duck to water, and made many very positive changes in his life. During the last 10 years he got two advanced techniques, and then about 2 years ago stopped TM completely. I asked why, as I noticed he wasn't his usual happy self. He told me that he never transcended since getting the advanced techniques, and felt that his meditation was no longer working! As he told me his mantra, in fact he now tells everyone his mantra, and openly mocks TM as a complete con job his anger of course. His original mantra was shiring pronounced something like shear-ing. After two advanced techniques his new mantra was Shree Shring Namah note that the shiring was contracted back to shring. I suggested to him that he return to his original mantra, and start meditating again, but no way meditation is no longer part of his life! Sometime back I discovered the meaning of my mantra, and heard an audio of it on this site - http://www.sanskrit- sanscrito.com.ar/english/sanskrit_sacredmantras/sacredmantras1.html I feel a whole lot better knowing who my Ishta Devata is, and what the energy of her mantra is for. It has not affected the effortlessness of my meditations, if anything it has enhanced it. Namaste, Billy
[FairfieldLife] Re: The good things TM gave us
The Yoga of Sound by Russill Paul Google Tantric Deity Bija Mantras Shakti yoga It's the last result on page 1 - The Yoga of Sound: Healing & Enlightenment Through the Sacred ... - Google Books Result Read from p91 to 97 Namaste, Billy --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > biosoundbill wrote: > > I'm no longer involved with the TM movement, but I still have lots > > of friends that are still in it. I was at a TM party recently, and > > clearly felt that most of them can't think for themselves, and are > > very ungrounded! > > > > I often wonder if this is because of all those years of meditating > > on a pure bija mantra! > > > > Check this link - http://books.google.com/books?id=78HRnC_- > > 1SIC&pg=PA96&lpg=PA96&dq=bija+mantra+are+pure+energy&source=web&ots=g > > rTOmWNq7Y&sig=PnbUYgD2KbWyQym5VkYd9ankmCo#PPA97,M1 > > > > In Chopra's technique each mantra has `Om' at the beginning > > and `Namah' at the end, with your personal syllable in the middle. > > > > Namaste, > > > > Billy > > > > > What book is it? Your link won't work and using your search terms I get > two pages of books but none with that ID. > > If mantras aren't balanced then indeed people can become ungrounded > though the original 20 minutes twice a day being a light practice might > not cause that at least for about 80% of practitioners. Agni mantras > usually aren't used for the public but Shiva and Shanti mantras are > okay. Every mantra has a certain resonance and will cause the mind and > body to respond in a certain way. A good guru makes sure that the > mantra (and additional mantras) are right for the aspirant. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: The good things TM gave us
I'm no longer involved with the TM movement, but I still have lots of friends that are still in it. I was at a TM party recently, and clearly felt that most of them can't think for themselves, and are very ungrounded! I often wonder if this is because of all those years of meditating on a pure bija mantra! Check this link - http://books.google.com/books?id=78HRnC_- 1SIC&pg=PA96&lpg=PA96&dq=bija+mantra+are+pure+energy&source=web&ots=g rTOmWNq7Y&sig=PnbUYgD2KbWyQym5VkYd9ankmCo#PPA97,M1 In Chopra's technique each mantra has `Om' at the beginning and `Namah' at the end, with your personal syllable in the middle. Namaste, Billy --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > biosoundbill wrote: > > Thanks Bhairitu, > > > > I guess at the end of the day learning TM is a very good way of > > learning to meditate effortlessly. It has certainly become a big > > business, and one is never quite sure as to whether MMY's motives > > are noble or otherwise! > > Once one has the technique, it makes sense to me that one should be > > working with energy that's missing in their lives, rather than > > meditating with just that one bija for the rest of one's life, > > despite the claims from some Gurus that one stay with one mantra > > only! > > > > Namaste, > > > > Billy > > > > > Some traditions believe that only one mantra will create an imbalance > and that balancing mantras should be given. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: The good things TM gave us
Thanks Bhairitu, I guess at the end of the day learning TM is a very good way of learning to meditate effortlessly. It has certainly become a big business, and one is never quite sure as to whether MMY's motives are noble or otherwise! Once one has the technique, it makes sense to me that one should be working with energy that's missing in their lives, rather than meditating with just that one bija for the rest of one's life, despite the claims from some Gurus that one stay with one mantra only! Namaste, Billy --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > biosoundbill wrote: > > Hi Bhairitu, > > > > As far As the `M' and `NG' endings go, I don't really know which > > ones are the most powerful. > > My TM mantra ends in `NG,' but I know lots of people who were > > given `M' ending mantras. I often feel that MMY used both just to > > make up a bigger pool of mantras. eg:- there are so many versions of > > Sarasvati's bija! > > I never got an advanced technique, and often wonder how anyone could > > meditate effortlessly on a longer mantra? > > Do you for example meditate effortlessly on Om ing kling > > brihaspataye namah, or is this effortless way of meditating unique > > to TM? > > According to Guru Dev no householder should meditate on `OM' alone, > > but men can meditate on `Om' as part of a longer mantra, where as > > Ladies should replace the `Om' with `Shree' > > > > Namaste, > > > > Billy > > > As far as endings go I don't think MMY made up anything. He was > following some obscure tradition. There are some traditions that > utilize both endings. > > Yes there are many mantras for each deity. That's why you have those > 1000 names of Visnu, 1000 names of Kali, etc sutras. :) > > Once you learn a long mantra it comes just as easily as a short one. > One can even meditate effortlessly on Gayatri once learned. But on long > mantras some teachers in this day in age since we have the technology > have people listening to them on cassette or even MP3 players. :) > > Most Indians will tell you that it is not good to meditate on Om alone > though you can use it temporarily to calm vata but extended use may > actually make vata worse. "Ram" may be better for vata imbalances. > However mantra rules change from tradition to tradition and India is a > large country with many, many traditions. > > Jai Ma, > Bhairitu >
[FairfieldLife] Re: The good things TM gave us
Hi Bhairitu, As far As the `M' and `NG' endings go, I don't really know which ones are the most powerful. My TM mantra ends in `NG,' but I know lots of people who were given `M' ending mantras. I often feel that MMY used both just to make up a bigger pool of mantras. eg:- there are so many versions of Sarasvati's bija! I never got an advanced technique, and often wonder how anyone could meditate effortlessly on a longer mantra? Do you for example meditate effortlessly on Om ing kling brihaspataye namah, or is this effortless way of meditating unique to TM? According to Guru Dev no householder should meditate on `OM' alone, but men can meditate on `Om' as part of a longer mantra, where as Ladies should replace the `Om' with `Shree' Namaste, Billy --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Bronte Baxter wrote: > > > > Actually the "advanced" techniques are more like the traditional mantras > > without omkara. But most TM'ers including teachers never step out > > enough to learn mantra shastra to know that and MMY never taught mantra > > shastra which is the science of mantras. Using bij aksharas as a > > meditation mantra is very controversial among Indian sages and without > > om even more controversial. > > > > Bronte: > > Could you expand on that? This is a new area to me. What are bij aksharas and why are they controversial? What are the two sides of the argument? > > > Bij aksharas or bija mantra are "seed" mantras (bij means seed). They > are used to enliven longer mantras. They are seldom used to meditate on > by themselves. The TM first techniques are all well known bij aksharas. > > Using a planetary mantra here is an example: > Om ing kling brihaspataye namah. > > The bij aksharas ing and kling enliven the sanskrit name for Jupiter: > Brihasphati. This makes the mantra more powerful than just "Om > Brihaspataye Namah." > > Likewise adding the bij mantras brang, bring, brown to a mantra for Rahu > makes it more powerful: > Om bring brang brown seh rahuve namah. (Rahu is the north lunar node). > > Though there may be a few Indian sects that use bij mantras by > themselves outside of TM I really don't know of any. Most gurus give > traditional mantras for "yogic meditation" which is meditation for the > masses. When they initiate someone into their tradition they give the > initiate the "guru mantra" which is a special mantra that has been > passed down through the tradition and gains power with each generation. > Guru mantras can enliven other mantras. > > It has been claimed that Maharishi originally gave out the shanti mantra > "Ram" (or Jai Ram) when he started TM. Some think that he switched to > the bij mantras to make TM unique as many gurus would have given out > that same shanti mantra. I also observe that unlike more traditional > mantras that transcend slowly bij mantras tend to dip vertically (just > like the bubble diagram) giving quick tastes of the transcendent. > Remember that MMY also wanted people to get the advanced techniques as > early as a year and a half which are more traditional and keep you in > the transcendent longer. Many gurus think that using bij mantras by > themselves can cause problems because they are so powerful. > > Also it is very non-traditional to not use Om (omkara) with the mantra. > Which is even a greater controversy since MMY got the idea that it > causes poverty but look at all the Indian millionaires who practice > traditional mantras with Om in them. >
[FairfieldLife] Teach Your Friends to Meditate
After 30 years I still think that TM is a brilliant Technique. I leave the rest MMY, TMO, etc. All bija mantras are Tantric,and they all have variations depending on which part of India the teacher comes from- Lakshmi Bija is pronounced Shring,Shreeng, and sometimes Shrim in the North, whereas it is pronounced Shreem in the South. Saraswati bija is Aing (i-ing) in the North and Aim (I'M or I-eem), Kali bija is Kring or Kreeng in the North, and Krim (Kreem) in the South. Recently I did a TM Puja for a friend of mine who had been meditating effortlessly for 2 years with Southern version of Lakshmi Bija `Shreem,' ever since her meditations have been much deeper, and she has experienced transcending for the first time. If you would like to give a friend the benefits of meditation, the best thing you could do is to teach them to meditate by giving them your own TM mantra, and teaching them how to meditate effortlessly with it. By doing this no puja is required as they are getting the mantra with Shakti from you. For any other mantra a puja is required. The other thing I wish to say is that once a person has a mantra; it should never be changed for the rest of their life! Jai Guru Dev, Billy
[FairfieldLife] Re: Just for fun!
The dot represents the sound called anu-svaara,it's the term for nasalization in Sanskrit grammar, there is a resonance of this final 'M' sound as the lips come together, this stimulates the 3rd eye chakra, and is felt in the sinuses, which produces a vibration throughout the body as it is chanted, thus opening up various channels in the body, and creating a very open, relaxed consciousness. The upper and lower lips are considered as representations of Shiva and Shakti. Hence the coming together of lips is considered representing Shiva-Shakti union and considered auspicious and said to confer great benefit on the sadhaka. Anu-naasika is represented by a half moon crescent and dot, this stimulates the crown chraka, and can be very volatile completely changing the effect of the mantra! Examples can be seen at the following link http://www.sanskrit- sanscrito.com.ar/english/sanskrit/sacredmantras.html Namaste, Billy --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > The akSara-s for biija-mantra-s are usually > written with a dot on the upper right, like /kliiM/ > here: > > http://www.religiousworlds.com/mandalam/island.htm > > The dot represents the sound called /anu-svaara/ or, > I believe, also /anu-naasika/, whose phonetic properties > are a bit, well, volatile, or stuff. "Thus", repeating a > biija-mantra might be a form of /naasika-antar-madhya- > saMyama/ mentioned in Shiva-suutra... :0 > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
