Re: Lost my Lancelot - add to bridge list
Gloria,I am so sorry about Lancelot. I know you did all that you could, but sometimes they just don't make it. Cold, sick, declawed and dumped! He was a lucky boy that he found someone to keep him safe and care, even though his time was so short..Take care[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW, My sweet little Lancelot (not FELV) died early Thursday morning. I got him in january, a lady called to say that he'd been outside her new house for a couple of very cold months, Dec and Jan. He had the sniffles bad. I've been pulling for him, taking him to the vet, doing lysine and interferon and Zeniquin and other abx and stuff.He just never thrived. It seemed that his kidneys weren't doing well - his pee wasn't concentrated. Suggested problems were pneumonia, or bordatella. He was a little over a year old, a white kitty with black tail and ears, a sweet as could be. Somebody had him neutered young, and declawed, then either lost or dumped him, poor boy. I wanted him to live to be 18, but was not to be.Sleep soft sweet Lancelot. Susan brought her little kitten Carla over ( who died recently) to go in the box with Lancelot and we'll bury them together.Gloria
RE: Tsubomi, Ginger and Garfunkle update - To Nina and Kerry
How long is the owner in jail, Hideyo? Yes, you are going to have a tough time if you have to give them up, too. Maybe it won't come to that, tho. They can't depend on her, that's clear. (Heck, if it weren't for you, they probably would have been euthanized by the time she came out.) Hideyo, what's the idea behind the litter box with a towel -- I'm not clear, but I am intrigued. I sure need ideas! D'you mean that on those occasions when he doesn't use the box, he would perhaps use the non-litter box (instead of the wood floor as at present)? Thing is, I want to figure out how to get him to use the real litter box all the time. He's also the only cat that does not cover up. He's a bit of a slob, my Tigerprobably wasn't taught, along with not being weaned, poor love. Hope Garfunkle, and Ghandi and Ruby-E -- and Hideyo!-- are all doing ok. love, Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 4:41 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Tsubomi, Ginger and Garfunkle update - To Nina and Kerry Kerry, did I tell you about terumo needles? Let me ship some to you. If you are using Monoject right now, you will find much easier to use terumo -- it's so smooth that you don't even know that you are poking... with Monoject.. I had to use a couple of needles when Papa needed fluid (he is my FIV boy who had a very thick skin) because it took so much to poke - Wow, it will be hard to give up Pookie, won't it? I have 4 cats that I reclaimed from the pound the other day (the owner is in jail) and am going to have a hard time to return them to her once she gets out of jail, because she is sort of drug addict and she has some other mental illness and am worried that their safety might be at risk.. they are just so scared right now.. but started coming out a little bit --- I love them very much, too! As for Tiger, have you tried to add another box in a separate place or put a litter box not filled with litter, but with a towel or something.. your instinct is probably right and maybe there is something that can fix with homeopathy, which I will ask with my doctor.. the mean time, you might want to try to add another litter box with different litter or but old rug in the litter box (it works very well with a couple of my non-litter box user kitties) Love, Hideyo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N. Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 3:32 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Tsubomi, Ginger and Garfunkle update - To Nina and Kerry Mine are doing well; no one is sick just now, knock on wood, thanks, Hideyo. I'm still a bit clumsy with Pookie's subQs---I had thought I had it straightened out but I went thru 2 needles last night. He's very patient with me luckily. My other cats are slowly getting used to him. He is very serene---he simply ignores all the stare-downs, and the occasional Tiger-swat. He's a real class act. I heard a bit more about his history---he was living in a car this summer, with his human mom, in the sweltering heat. She apparently was buying ice bags to keep them both cool. I don't know how his CRF figured in all this. She has had Pookie all his life (he's 15) since she was a teen, so she must badly miss him. It seems she will be in a situation to take him back around Christmas. I've never fostered for someone before. I know already it will be tough to give him up, though. He has a home with me as long as he needs. I'm going to be in touch with Nina re Tiger. I need to figure out what's going on with him and how to help him. He goes outside the box once every other week now. My instinct tells me it's stress-related partly because he doesn't get enough attention to meet his needs (which are much greater than my other cats)...maybe he really is a cat that needs to be on his own with no competition. My positives, Mickey and Momcat seem fine, as do my other two negs, Trixie and Katyis... Thanks for asking! Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 4:13 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Tsubomi, Ginger and Garfunkle update - To Nina and Kerry Thank you very much for your kindness as always, Kerry. And thank you for mentioning about Ghandi and Ruby-E. They are doing great. Ruby-E is doing so much better after dental work and I am so glad - since she is very feral, I really cannot give any medications (it was very traumatic to catch her to take her to the vet for a dental work) - Ghandi is such a sweet baby, he screams at my name (or at least that's how it sounds to me), everytime, I see him, he just loves me and I love him! All of the kittens are doing very well. I wish I could build an extension of the house so that I could provide a bit bigger place for Ginger and Tsubomi Ginger and
Re: Rose pts
Denise, I am so sorry. I am not sure how to unsubscribe. I think you need to write to the administrator, [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Michelle
RE: Mail problems??
Title: Message Dear Patti My FeLV mail goes to both my home and work e-addresses and I get emails at home that I never get at work.they have all sorts of filters on the work system, so maybe that's the reason in my case. But I know that's a different type of glitch than yourshope it's just temporary andgets ironed out soon. (I used to be with AOL but AOL drove me crazy.) Kerryx -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 5:04 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Mail problems?? In a message dated 11/19/05 2:42:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hideyo, I am so happy to hear about Garfunkle's rebounding! I will continue to keep him in my prayers. I do believe in miracles. Hugs, Patti Anyone else having weird things going on with mail??? I sent this to list a few days ago, and it WAS posted at that time, several hours later, but now it just came thru again with today's date a time from this afternoon... Also starting to get other duplicate posts. Just wondering if it's AOL, since I've been having MAJOR problems with my AOL mail, or if this is another "gliche". Any ideas what it could be?? Patti =00IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisorThis email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: Rose pts
I'm so sorry to hear your sad news, Denise. But I'm glad Rose knew what it was to have a real, loving home, and was loved, cared for and comforted right until the end. You could check back to your November 1 (or 1st of any month) emails, when details of how you individually unsubscribe, with your passport, are sent. Or try: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hugs and sympathy to you and your family, Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 10:47 PM To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Rose pts Thanks to all of you who have shared your experiences with your leukemia cats. This summer, we adopted our Rose from a Humane Society board member who had her at his house in a cage with his other rescued cats. Rose couldn't go to PetSmart cuz she was unadoptable due to chronic boogers, yet she was super friendly and my kids, my dog, and I just loved her to bits. After she didn't get better on meds, I took her to the vet for THE test, and sure enough it was positive. Then, I joined this list to learn from you all. Rose had a great, but brief, relatively healthy life for the rest of her time, but then she went down hill quickly. Thanks to your posts, and the vet's food and advice, I syringe-fed her AD and H2O for a few days after the vet rehydrated her subQ. Rose seemed happy again for a little while, but her overly-dilated eye never went back to normal, so the vet thought that the leukemia had affected her neurologically. He was probably right, cuz by Friday, she was suffering, so I took Rose to be put to sleep. They couldn't find a vain on her, so they gave her an injection interthoracically. She lingered for a few moments in my arms as my dog and I snuggled with her until she passed. Thanks again for all your posts. I didn't post much myself, but I was comforted by this group every day. Now, if you will, please unsubscribe me until I can rejoin later to offer hope and encouragement to others after I'm done mourning. Best, Denise in Utah This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. hr IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor hr This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: Such a caring and loving group!
Title: Message I know I would feel the same way. This is such a wonderfully supportivegroup of people. Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 11:27 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Such a caring and loving group! You and me both! I feel the same way. I'll probably never leave the group because there is so much information here and caring/great people. I think I have been on this group since 2000-2001 can't remember. I feel the compassion/pain/joy for others since I have lost a few to this horrible disease myself. So I have a special place in my heart for these furbabies whether they are mine or someone elses. At least a few rescues/shelters are accepting the positive kitties and putting them into foster homes here. But not enough though. In a message dated 11/20/2005 9:00:35 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't write in much (mostly lurk lately since I'm now FeLV free), but I can't bring myself to leave the group. Terrie MohrTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE COLLIE RESCUEOwner/DriverCheck sites for available Siameses for adoption!http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/Click Here to Join WASHINGTON SIAMESE RESCUE Yahoo Group!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlPetfinder.comAdopt a Homeless Pet!http://www.petfinder.com/http://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.petloss.com/TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTShttps://www.paypal.com/ =00IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisorThis email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: Lost my Lancelot - add to bridge list
Aww Gloria, I'm so sorry about Lancelot. It alternately makes me sad and angry when I think about the ignorance and cruelty that humans inflict on these sweet angels. It is possible that his humans are heartsick over his loss, he may have had a loving home and became lost, we'll never know. However it happened, thank Heavens Lance was able to find his way to you for the love and comfort he so much deserved. It never gets easier when we lose our fight, but it's the painful price we pay to make a difference in their lives. Love, hugs and comfort to you for continuing to make a difference, one sweet soul at a time. Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW, My sweet little Lancelot (not FELV) died early Thursday morning. I got him in january, a lady called to say that he'd been outside her new house for a couple of very cold months, Dec and Jan. He had the sniffles bad. I've been pulling for him, taking him to the vet, doing lysine and interferon and Zeniquin and other abx and stuff. He just never thrived. It seemed that his kidneys weren't doing well - his pee wasn't concentrated. Suggested problems were pneumonia, or bordatella. He was a little over a year old, a white kitty with black tail and ears, a sweet as could be. Somebody had him neutered young, and declawed, then either lost or dumped him, poor boy. I wanted him to live to be 18, but was not to be. Sleep soft sweet Lancelot. Susan brought her little kitten Carla over ( who died recently) to go in the box with Lancelot and we'll bury them together. Gloria
Re: Lancelot
I'm so sorry Gloria! Bless you for giving him love and care in his short time here. Terrie MohrTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE COLLIE RESCUEOwner/DriverCheck sites for available Siameses for adoption!http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/Click Here to Join WASHINGTON SIAMESE RESCUE Yahoo Group!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlPetfinder.comAdopt a Homeless Pet!http://www.petfinder.com/http://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.petloss.com/TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTShttps://www.paypal.com/
Re: that wonderful map thingee!
This is great! I posted myself awhile back and when I went to look at everybody elses postings, decided to add a photo. How do I get MaxMan's photograph and my name to be together? /mari On 11/19/05, TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: reminder for those who haven't already added themselves--this isGREAT! (thanks, gloria!) http://www.frappr.com/felvtalk--MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892 -- /mari (SpiritCat)Until there are none, adopt one.SpiritCat and the Mooseheart Mumpkeesof southeastern Texas[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cotton and Cricket
Hi Sandy, I've been away from the computer for a couple of days and just saw your posts about Cotton's crisis. I'm glad to hear he's doing better, you must have been scared out of your mind when you found him like that! I sure hope he's much better by today. You know, Met is a pretty harsh antibiotic, how long has Cotton been on it? You might want to talk to the vet about trying another one, or making sure it's absolutely necessary to have him on antibiotics right now. Abx are true life savers, but they also suppress and kill the good bacteria too. Have you thought about treating Cotton holistically? I have a wonderful woman who has been helping me with finding the right remedies for my girl Gypsy who suffers from IBD. Patti and Hideyo have experience with them, maybe they'll have some suggestions. I know that Bioplasma (combination of 12 different tissue remedies), is a good overall support rx, you might want to try it with Cotton. Will Cotton lap plain yogurt? Think about adding some probiotics to his food to replace good bacteria in his gut, (Kydophilus is a good one). Also, slippery elm is good for coating as calming. Poor little lamb! If you want to talk, write me off-list and I'll send you my phone number. I'm thrilled to hear that Cricket and you had that talk! It sure sounds like she understood you. Isn't it amazing? I don't know if they understand our words, or if they are reading the pictures in our minds as we try to convey the meaning behind the words. I know that I have the best results if I try to "send" them pictures while I'm talking to them. Also, I've always heard it's better to speak and think in the affirmative. For example, when you want a dog to stop jumping, it's better to ask them to keep their feet on the floor, (sending the picture of them being calm, with four on the floor), rather than tell them NO jumping. I think it may have something to do with those "pictures" in our brain. When we say "no jumping", we are probably picturing them jumping up on us! So we can be saying no with our words, but sending them the picture of exactly the opposite thing we want from them. So when you talk to Cricket and Cotton about being nice, don't think about them being naughty at the same time! Picture instead, Cricket licking Cotton on the head, or at least ignoring him. Please let us know how little Cotton is doing this morning, I'm so worried about him. Nina Dudes wrote: Nina, I have to thank you, thank you, thank youbecause I took your advice, and it's totally worked! I did go to bed after thisemail, and I had a talk with Cricket! My husband was working late, so I had the perfect opportunity to do it without feeling silly,and I thought what the heck, I will try it. As she sat on my chest and kneaded my neck like she always does, I told her that she needed to be nicer to Cotton and it makes me sad when sheattacks him and I have to yell at her. I told her what you said, that he alreadyknew that she was a strong girl, and that he was just a little boy, who could learn a lot from her because she's so smart. I told her that he's sick and we might not get to have him around for very long, and it was not good for him to feel bad feelings, that it could make him sicker. (At this point she put her paw on my mouth, but until what happened later, I thought it was just a coincidence, but I now wonder ifit wasn't) I kissed herlittle foot, and Itold her to be patient with him until he learned to act like her-a very good girl. Now I know that sounds like a long speech to give a cat, but Istroked her head and talked very softly and she looked at me the entire time. Sometimes she looked away, as if she was hearing something uncomfortable, and some of the time she stared at me and seemed interested in my lips moving. I felt better, anyway. The next daythere were NO incidents of her chasing him or stalking him. NONE! It was the first time since he's been here. I saw her watching him at one point, and I thanked her for being such a good big sister to him.They both looked up at me, asdid Miss, who was nearby. Icould just swearthat she puffed up a little and put her tail a little higher, andlooked very pleased with herself! We have not had another incident of chasing/ambushing/batting heads since. Even when Cotton took a playfulswat at herwith outstretched paw, claws out as she walked by. She just stopped fora minute and stared at him, but I could see her ear cocked at me, like she thought I might say something. She didn't do a thing, she just walked on. Unless I'm imagining things, she totally got it. Anybody else ever talk to their cats and SWEAR they understand? PEACE is nice. I'm so happy that we have some.:) Sandy - Original Message - From: Nina To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 10:34 PM Subject: Re: 20 CATS... Sometimes I'll shame them into being nicer... You know,
RE: Cotton and Cricket
Title: Message Sandy Nina Agree---you must be thrilled Sandy by the outcome of your talk! I'm going to try it with Tiger..and I'll do it in the affirmative, Nina---explain to him how much nicer, better, healthier it is for everyone if he goes in the box. (Thinks---maybe I'll even be able to get him to cover up!). Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of NinaSent: Monday, November 21, 2005 11:15 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Cotton and CricketHi Sandy,I've been away from the computer for a couple of days and just saw your posts about Cotton's crisis. I'm glad to hear he's doing better, you must have been scared out of your mind when you found him like that! I sure hope he's much better by today. You know, Met is a pretty harsh antibiotic, how long has Cotton been on it? You might want to talk to the vet about trying another one, or making sure it's absolutely necessary to have him on antibiotics right now. Abx are true life savers, but they also suppress and kill the good bacteria too. Have you thought about treating Cotton holistically? I have a wonderful woman who has been helping me with finding the right remedies for my girl Gypsy who suffers from IBD. Patti and Hideyo have experience with them, maybe they'll have some suggestions. I know that Bioplasma (combination of 12 different tissue remedies), is a good overall support rx, you might want to try it with Cotton. Will Cotton lap plain yogurt? Think about adding some probiotics to his food to replace good bacteria in his gut, (Kydophilus is a good one). Also, slippery elm is good for coating as calming. Poor little lamb! If you want to talk, write me off-list and I'll send you my phone number.I'm thrilled to hear that Cricket and you had that talk! It sure sounds like she understood you. Isn't it amazing? I don't know if they understand our words, or if they are reading the pictures in our minds as we try to convey the meaning behind the words. I know that I have the best results if I try to "send" them pictures while I'm talking to them. Also, I've always heard it's better to speak and think in the affirmative. For example, when you want a dog to stop jumping, it's better to ask them to keep their feet on the floor, (sending the picture of them being calm, with four on the floor), rather than tell them NO jumping. I think it may have something to do with those "pictures" in our brain. When we say "no jumping", we are probably picturing them jumping up on us! So we can be saying no with our words, but sending them the picture of exactly the opposite thing we want from them. So when you talk to Cricket and Cotton about being nice, don't think about them being naughty at the same time! Picture instead, Cricket licking Cotton on the head, or at least ignoring him.Please let us know how little Cotton is doing this morning, I'm so worried about him.NinaDudes wrote: Nina, I have to thank you, thank you, thank youbecause I took your advice, and it's totally worked! I did go to bed after thisemail, and I had a talk with Cricket! My husband was working late, so I had the perfect opportunity to do it without feeling silly,and I thought what the heck, I will try it. As she sat on my chest and kneaded my neck like she always does, I told her that she needed to be nicer to Cotton and it makes me sad when sheattacks him and I have to yell at her. I told her what you said, that he alreadyknew that she was a strong girl, and that he was just a little boy, who could learn a lot from her because she's so smart. I told her that he's sick and we might not get to have him around for very long, and it was not good for him to feel bad feelings, that it could make him sicker. (At this point she put her paw on my mouth, but until what happened later, I thought it was just a coincidence, but I now wonder ifit wasn't) I kissed herlittle foot, and Itold her to be patient with him until he learned to act like her-a very good girl. Now I know that sounds like a long speech to give a cat, but Istroked her head and talked very softly and she looked at me the entire time. Sometimes she looked away, as if she was hearing something uncomfortable, and some of the time she stared at me and seemed interested in my lips moving. I felt better, anyway. The next daythere were NO incidents of her chasing him or stalking him. NONE! It was the first time since he's been here. I saw her watching him at one point, and I thanked her for being such a good big sister to him.They both looked up at me, asdid Miss, who was nearby. Icould just swearthat she puffed up a little and put her tail a little higher, andlooked very pleased with herself! We have not had another incident of chasing/ambushing/batting heads since. Even when Cotton took a playfulswat at herwith outstretched
Re: Cotton and Cricket
Kerry, Does Tiger always go in the same spot outside the box? If so, why don't you try putting an empty litter box, or one lined with newspaper, in the spot he likes to go? If that doesn't work, you could put plastic on the floor and then cover it with a washable throw rug, or towel. Maybe you can work your way up to getting him to use a box again. If he'll use a litterbox with newspaper lined flat, you could start to shred paper, and then mix it with litter and then finally, all litter. Talking to him about it certainly can't hurt, but I'm betting he already knows that you prefer him to use the box. Something else is going on here with this behavior. Did you get my last email about it? N MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote: Message Sandy Nina Agree---you must be thrilled Sandy by the outcome of your talk! I'm going to try it with Tiger..and I'll do it in the affirmative, Nina---explain to him how much nicer, better, healthier it is for everyone if he goes in the box. (Thinks---maybe I'll even be able to get him to cover up!). Kerry
Re: Rose pts
Denise, I don't know if you've already left the group, and I know from personal experience how hard it is to continue to read posts when your own loss is so new and painful. I can tell from your post about Rose that she was loved by your entire family, she must have been such a special girl! Having lost sweet angels of my own, I can imagine how much you and your family are hurting right now. It takes a very loving and compassionate soul to rescue someone that you know has been ill, thank you so much for caring enough about Rose to get her out of that cage and into your hearts. I hope that the memories you have of her and the ways she touched your life bring you comfort in your grief. I believe she's once again happy and healthy, watching over you and still very much a part of your lives. Take care, and don't allow the pain to make you fearful of loving again, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks to all of you who have shared your experiences with your leukemia cats. This summer, we adopted our Rose from a Humane Society board member who had her at his house in a cage with his other rescued cats. Rose couldn't go to PetSmart cuz she was unadoptable due to chronic boogers, yet she was super friendly and my kids, my dog, and I just loved her to bits. After she didn't get better on meds, I took her to the vet for THE test, and sure enough it was positive. Then, I joined this list to learn from you all. Rose had a great, but brief, relatively healthy life for the rest of her time, but then she went down hill quickly. Thanks to your posts, and the vet's food and advice, I syringe-fed her AD and H2O for a few days after the vet rehydrated her subQ. Rose seemed happy again for a little while, but her overly-dilated eye never went back to normal, so the vet thought that the leukemia had affected her neurologically. He was probably right, cuz by Friday, she was suffering, so I took Rose to be put to sleep. They couldn't find a vain on her, so they gave her an injection interthoracically. She lingered for a few moments in my arms as my dog and I snuggled with her until she passed. Thanks again for all your posts. I didn't post much myself, but I was comforted by this group every day. Now, if you will, please unsubscribe me until I can rejoin later to offer hope and encouragement to others after I'm done mourning. Best, Denise in Utah This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program.
RE: Cotton and Cricket
Title: Message Nina Yes, Idid indeed getthe email from you (about medical possibility/low litter/new litter) thanks v. muchandthought I replied butI bet it's still in my outbox, I'll check tonight. He goes about once every 2 weeks outside the box. I haven't been able to detect a pattern, BUT I thought I would start keeping notes and maybe that will give a clue. He seems ok in every other way. Eating, drinking,picking fights withTrixie, wanting attention, etc. I wonder if this throws any light: for years, I noticed that as soon as I came home from work, every night without fail, Tiger would go to the box and do his business. It was such apattern that I asked my vet what he thought.He gave me a wordy and (to my mind) jargon-laden explanation, the gist of which I believe was, he's just very excited to see you. I remember Trixie, completely out of character for her, going outside the box poor love when 4 members of my family stayed with me for a week. She must have been totally stressed out, for thiswas thesame fastidious Trixie whose behavior mystified me way back in the early dayswhen sheused the yucca plant instead of the box 2 days in a row until i realized *I* was the problem---I'd put the litter box cover on back to front and she couldn't get to it. I believe it's stress-related with Tiger (he's on kitty Prozac). I don't think it makes him happy at all that he has to share me with other cats and has never been allowed to usurp Katyis (topcat in our house). I've always been at pains to maintain the heirarchy. Tiger was third to arrive, so he has to wait his turn after Katyis and Trixie for the petting etc. Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of NinaSent: Monday, November 21, 2005 11:31 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Cotton and CricketKerry,Does Tiger always go in the same spot outside the box? If so, why don't you try putting an empty litter box, or one lined with newspaper, in the spot he likes to go? If that doesn't work, you could put plastic on the floor and then cover it with a washable throw rug, or towel. Maybe you can work your way up to getting him to use a box again. If he'll use a litterbox with newspaper lined flat, you could start to shred paper, and then mix it with litter and then finally, all litter. Talking to him about it certainly can't hurt, but I'm betting he already knows that you prefer him to use the box. Something else is going on here with this behavior. Did you get my last email about it?NMacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote: Sandy Nina Agree---you must be thrilled Sandy by the outcome of your talk! I'm going to try it with Tiger..and I'll do it in the affirmative, Nina---explain to him how much nicer, better, healthier it is for everyone if he goes in the box. (Thinks---maybe I'll even be able to get him to cover up!). Kerry =00IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisorThis email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: Lost my Lancelot - add to bridge list
I'm so sorry to hear of your loss Gloria. Jenn http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Adopt a cat from UCAT rescue: http://ucat.us/adopt.html Adopt a FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/ Adopt a FELV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html Saving one animal won't make a difference in the world, but it will make a world of difference for that one animal. ~~~ I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life. Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula! PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please email me for the NEW address to send them to! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.4/176 - Release Date: 11/20/2005
Re: photos?
ME! Send photos to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject FELV PICS PAGE, and set it to high priority if your email client lets you do that. Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.htmlAdopt a cat from UCAT rescue:http://ucat.us/adopt.html Adopt a FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/Adopt a FELV+ cat:http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html"Saving one animal won't make a difference in the world, but it will make a world of difference for that one animal."~~~I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please email me for the NEW address to send them to! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.4/176 - Release Date: 11/20/2005
Re: Cotton crisis
Sandy, I would think that if he had lymphoma in his kidneys to the point that they are enlarged, that something would be off in his blood work. I could be wrong, but when Josephine's kidneys got big enough for me to notice (which is probably bigger than Cotton's are right now), her kidney values were terrible. So maybe it is a good sign that his blood work is normal, and maybe there is something else going on. Michelle In a message dated 11/21/2005 2:20:32 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Michelle: My theories were for the stomach issues, not the kidneys. I am afraid that his kidneys being enlarged is a new finding. However, I agree with you, he may very well have lymphoma in the kidneys and intestines. His labs were all normal. So I still need to talk to the regular vet about his kidneys. Sandy
Re: that wonderful map thingee!
Speaking of that, some of you have good photos of yourself on your shoutouts, would any of you like for me to add them to the photos page? I see Gloria has a good one of herself there, so does Terri B., and Terri S. If you guys want to be on the pics page, let me know by emailing me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and if you are a Terri, let me know which one you are, LOL! Pic page is at: http://ucat.us/FELV/ I'm going to add a link to the frapper to it too. Jenn http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Adopt a cat from UCAT rescue: http://ucat.us/adopt.html Adopt a FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/ Adopt a FELV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html Saving one animal won't make a difference in the world, but it will make a world of difference for that one animal. ~~~ I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life. Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula! PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please email me for the NEW address to send them to! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.4/176 - Release Date: 11/20/2005
Re: To Gia concerning finding a vet
I live on the east side of Houston and attempted to do that same thing. However, I did not meet with as much success as you did. Most of the clerical staff wasn't interested in even hearing why I was calling let alone taking a message and having the doctor call me back. I'm sure that there are vets here in Houston who are rescue and/or special needs friendly, but as yet I've not found one regardless of distance from the east side. I have several rescue and special needs friends in Dallas/Ft. Worth and they all have been pretty lucky in finding good vets. It would be really nice to find someone on the east side as the logistics of getting any where in Houston is stressful for both human and ill furchild. /mari On 11/18/05, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gia,I live close to Dallas, and when Cricket got sickrecently, I was scared because I wasn't too confident with our run-of-the-mill vet around the corner fromour neighborhood.So what I did was call around tothe various vets in our town and actually spoke toeact VET, not the tech or other employees, and told them Cricket's situation and listened to what each vethad to say. -- /mari (SpiritCat)Until there are none, adopt one.SpiritCat and the Mooseheart Mumpkeesof southeastern Texas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Lost my Lancelot - add to bridge list
Thanks, Nina - I still have way too many words about it - like DARN why did they declaw that young kitten and let him out and so forth... And why couldn't I find out what was wrong. Life is so imperfect seeming, sometimes. Sigh, Gloria At 10:25 AM 11/21/2005, you wrote: Aww Gloria, I'm so sorry about Lancelot. It alternately makes me sad and angry when I think about the ignorance and cruelty that humans inflict on these sweet angels. It is possible that his humans are heartsick over his loss, he may have had a loving home and became lost, we'll never know. However it happened, thank Heavens Lance was able to find his way to you for the love and comfort he so much deserved. It never gets easier when we lose our fight, but it's the painful price we pay to make a difference in their lives. Love, hugs and comfort to you for continuing to make a difference, one sweet soul at a time. Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW, My sweet little Lancelot (not FELV) died early Thursday morning. I got him in january, a lady called to say that he'd been outside her new house for a couple of very cold months, Dec and Jan. He had the sniffles bad. I've been pulling for him, taking him to the vet, doing lysine and interferon and Zeniquin and other abx and stuff. He just never thrived. It seemed that his kidneys weren't doing well - his pee wasn't concentrated. Suggested problems were pneumonia, or bordatella. He was a little over a year old, a white kitty with black tail and ears, a sweet as could be. Somebody had him neutered young, and declawed, then either lost or dumped him, poor boy. I wanted him to live to be 18, but was not to be. Sleep soft sweet Lancelot. Susan brought her little kitten Carla over ( who died recently) to go in the box with Lancelot and we'll bury them together. Gloria
Re: Lancelot
Thanks, Terrie - glad I found him too ... At 10:28 AM 11/21/2005, you wrote: I'm so sorry Gloria! Bless you for giving him love and care in his short time here. [] Terrie Mohr TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Owner/Driver Check sites for available Siameses for adoption! http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/ Click Here to Join WASHINGTON SIAMESE RESCUE Yahoo Group! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlhttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html Petfinder.com Adopt a Homeless Pet! [] http://www.petfinder.com/http://www.petfinder.com/ http://www.felineleukemia.org/ http://www.petloss.com/http://www.petloss.com/ TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS https://www.paypal.com/https://www.paypal.com/ [] attachment: 383befda.jpg attachment: 383bf002.jpg
Re: Lost my Lancelot - add to bridge list
Thanks, Jenn - How are you doing in Hurricane free Texas? Gloria At 12:29 PM 11/21/2005, you wrote: I'm so sorry to hear of your loss Gloria. Jenn
Kerry and Tiger
Hey Kerry, I think it's a wonderful idea to take notes and see if you notice a pattern. I'm very pleased to hear you don't think it's health related. Even though figuring out behavioral stuff can be tricky, I'd rather deal with the mess, (after all, you'd have to deal with the mess either way), knowing it's because of some sort of behavioral/environmental complaint. That is interesting that he has associated your home coming with defecation! A couple of the things you've said have me wondering if it has to do with his being needy of your attention. You did just bring a special needs kitty home that's hogging your attention as well. It's a shame that Tiger has to be medicated to help him remain calm, I'm assuming that's what the "kitty Prozac" is for. This is what I'd do... First of all, I'd forget all about trying to "maintain" hierarchy. That's not really your place anyway. The kitties will deal with that themselves. If someone needs more of your attention, you should give it to them, if you can. I'd start by, yes, here we go again, having a talk with Tiger. Even if he doesn't understand you, he'll appreciate the extra attention. Tell him you understand that he's upset about something and that you're trying to figure it out, (we humans can be so thick sometimes!). Let him know that you appreciate him sharing his house with kitties in need and how happy it makes you to help them. Talk about why it's unhealthy and upsetting to you when he doesn't use the box, (that includes knowing that there is something that is making HIM unhappy). Tell him how very special he is to you and why. That from now on, you are going to do your best to lavish him with attention and make sure he's happy. Pick a time of day that you can devote to him, take your cue from him, when is he most likely to seek you out? Do the things he likes to do during that time, if he likes to be brushed, brush him, if he likes treats, give him something special every day. It doesn't have to be a long time, but it should be the same time every day, make it part of your routine. Maybe Tiger's time can be just before, or after you give Pookie his subq. That way he'll be rewarded for being such a noble little gentleman and sharing you! Remind him that he doesn't have to poop outside the box to get your attention. Make sure when you walk in the door, you seek him out and tell him how very pleased you are to see him and to be back home with him. Go ahead and talk to him first, if someone else is rubbing on you at the time, by all means pet them and tell them hello, but be looking for Tiger and approaching him to give him some love. Since he likes using his box when you come home, maybe after you greet him, you could walk him over to his favorite box and while you're cleaning it out, invite him to use it. If he goes, tell him how wonderful he is and that you're so glad he understands that you want him to use the box! Damn, I'm long-winded when I get started! N MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote: Message Nina Yes, Idid indeed getthe email from you (about medical possibility/low litter/new litter) thanks v. muchandthought I replied butI bet it's still in my outbox, I'll check tonight. He goes about once every 2 weeks outside the box. I haven't been able to detect a pattern, BUT I thought I would start keeping notes and maybe that will give a clue. He seems ok in every other way. Eating, drinking,picking fights withTrixie, wanting attention, etc. I wonder if this throws any light: for years, I noticed that as soon as I came home from work, every night without fail, Tiger would go to the box and do his business. It was such apattern that I asked my vet what he thought.He gave me a wordy and (to my mind) jargon-laden explanation, the gist of which I believe was, he's just very excited to see you. I remember Trixie, completely out of character for her, going outside the box poor love when 4 members of my family stayed with me for a week. She must have been totally stressed out, for thiswas thesame fastidious Trixie whose behavior mystified me way back in the early dayswhen sheused the yucca plant instead of the box 2 days in a row until i realized *I* was the problem---I'd put the litter box cover on back to front and she couldn't get to it. I believe it's stress-related with Tiger (he's on kitty Prozac). I don't think it makes him happy at all that he has to share me with other cats and has never been allowed to usurp Katyis (topcat in our house). I've always been at pains to maintain the heirarchy. Tiger was third to arrive, so he has to wait his turn after Katyis and Trixie for the petting etc. Kerry
Re: Rose pts
Denise, I'm so sorry to hear of your loss of Rose. Thanks for writing her story for us. Bless you for your wonderful care of her. Gloria At 10:46 PM 11/20/2005, you wrote: Thanks to all of you who have shared your experiences with your leukemia cats. This summer, we adopted our Rose from a Humane Society board member who had her at his house in a cage with his other rescued cats. Rose couldn't go to PetSmart cuz she was unadoptable due to chronic boogers, yet she was super friendly and my kids, my dog, and I just loved her to bits. After she didn't get better on meds, I took her to the vet for THE test, and sure enough it was positive. Then, I joined this list to learn from you all. Rose had a great, but brief, relatively healthy life for the rest of her time, but then she went down hill quickly. Thanks to your posts, and the vet's food and advice, I syringe-fed her AD and H2O for a few days after the vet rehydrated her subQ. Rose seemed happy again for a little while, but her overly-dilated eye never went back to normal, so the vet thought that the leukemia had affected her neurologically. He was probably right, cuz by Friday, she was suffering, so I took Rose to be put to sleep. They couldn't find a vain on her, so they gave her an injection interthoracically. She lingered for a few moments in my arms as my dog and I snuggled with her until she passed. Thanks again for all your posts. I didn't post much myself, but I was comforted by this group every day. Now, if you will, please unsubscribe me until I can rejoin later to offer hope and encouragement to others after I'm done mourning. Best, Denise in Utah This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program.
CatTailFarms.org
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RE: Kerry and Tiger
Title: Message Damn, I'm long-winded when I get started! Not in the slightest! Allterrific stuff, Nina. And a most useful skill, I would think,when it comes to authoring books... I'm going to do all of what you say Nina, with the exception of allowing him to trump Katyis...for I'm concerned that my topcat Katyis will become (even more) upset.Katyis is more visibly (and audibly) upset than anyone by Pookie's arrival. The others (Tiger and Trixie) are now able to share the same room as Pookie without throwing hissy fits. Katyis won't even come into the bedroom at night now (never mind take up his years-long favorite spot on the bed) because of Pookie. And he still throws hissy fits at him every day when they happen to cross paths in the kitchen or living-room. Katyis is my first cat and I'm already feeling guilty about the probability that he thinks he's been usurped in my affections. That's why I try to make sure he's the first one I pick up every night. I honestly don't feel good about changing that -- it just wouldn't be fair to him. Having said that, I will definitely make a special time for Tiger. (There's not much he doesn't like in the treat line.) And have a talk along the lines you suggest. I'll keep you posted. Thanks--I really appreciate your time, ideasand input! Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of NinaSent: Monday, November 21, 2005 1:55 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Kerry and TigerHey Kerry,I think it's a wonderful idea to take notes and see if you notice a pattern. I'm very pleased to hear you don't think it's health related. Even though figuring out behavioral stuff can be tricky, I'd rather deal with the mess, (after all, you'd have to deal with the mess either way), knowing it's because of some sort of behavioral/environmental complaint. That is interesting that he has associated your home coming with defecation! A couple of the things you've said have me wondering if it has to do with his being needy of your attention. You did just bring a special needs kitty home that's hogging your attention as well. It's a shame that Tiger has to be medicated to help him remain calm, I'm assuming that's what the "kitty Prozac" is for. This is what I'd do... First of all, I'd forget all about trying to "maintain" hierarchy. That's not really your place anyway. The kitties will deal with that themselves. If someone needs more of your attention, you should give it to them, if you can. I'd start by, yes, here we go again, having a talk with Tiger. Even if he doesn't understand you, he'll appreciate the extra attention. Tell him you understand that he's upset about something and that you're trying to figure it out, (we humans can be so thick sometimes!). Let him know that you appreciate him sharing his house with kitties in need and how happy it makes you to help them. Talk about why it's unhealthy and upsetting to you when he doesn't use the box, (that includes knowing that there is something that is making HIM unhappy). Tell him how very special he is to you and why. That from now on, you are going to do your best to lavish him with attention and make sure he's happy. Pick a time of day that you can devote to him, take your cue from him, when is he most likely to seek you out? Do the things he likes to do during that time, if he likes to be brushed, brush him, if he likes treats, give him something special every day. It doesn't have to be a long time, but it should be the same time every day, make it part of your routine. Maybe Tiger's time can be just before, or after you give Pookie his subq. That way he'll be rewarded for being such a noble little gentleman and sharing you! Remind him that he doesn't have to poop outside the box to get your attention. Make sure when you walk in the door, you seek him out and tell him how very pleased you are to see him and to be back home with him. Go ahead and talk to him first, if someone else is rubbing on you at the time, by all means pet them and tell them hello, but be looking for Tiger and approaching him to give him some love. Since he likes using his box when you come home, maybe after you greet him, you could walk him over to his favorite box and while you're cleaning it out, invite him to use it. If he goes, tell him how wonderful he is and that you're so glad he understands that you want him to use the box!Damn, I'm long-winded when I get started!NMacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote: Nina Yes, Idid indeed getthe email from you (about medical possibility/low litter/new litter) thanks v. muchandthought I replied butI bet it's still in my outbox, I'll check tonight. He goes about once every 2 weeks outside the box. I haven't been able to detect a pattern, BUT I thought I would start keeping notes and maybe that will give a clue. He seems ok in every other way. Eating, drinking,picking fights
RE: need advise: diet for liver problem kitties
I dont think it is FIP I cannot be sure 100%, but from the blood work, it seems that its one of the other liver diseases you mentioned. Will ultrasound hurt the kitty? I never have done it before. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 4:29 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: need advise: diet for liver problem kitties I don't think liver shake is necessarily bad for liver problems, but I do think you need a diagnosis of what is wrong with his liver. If it is fatty liver disease, the treatments are different than if he has lymphoma in his liver (this is what Simon had) or if he has cholangiohepatitis ( a kind of liver infection). They can find out by doing a liver biopsy, but even an ultrasound might help. Cholangiohepatitis can be cured with antibiotics if caught in time, lymphoma can be controlled for a while with chemotherapy and steroids, and fatty liver can be overcome by forcefeeding or stomach tube and fluids and denasyl and some other things. But you need to know what the problem is. Unfortunately, I think it may be possible for FIP to cause the liver to enlarge as well, but I have never heard of low temperature with FIP, it is usually fever. Michelle In a message dated 11/19/2005 6:19:33 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Garfunkles tummy is all extended, I think its because of liver his blood work shows liver inflammation and he is jaundice Right now, I am force feeding baby food or KMR with syringe as it is hard to give any solid food. Do you think liver shake is bad for liver problem kitties?
Re: Cotton crisis
 Not a problem! I don't think you overreacted -- it's so hard to know how seriously they're sick especially when there's a FeLV issue. Although I don't post much, I do read them all, so don't be discouraged if you don't hear from me! I'm always here, lurking in the background! Terri - Original Message - From: Dudes To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 12:02 AM Subject: Re: Cotton crisis  Thank you Terri: I willdefinitely look into Pet Tinic. I can tell byCotton's restlessness and the look on his facemost of today that he's still not feeling all that well. He mostly seems to feel bad right after he eats. I'mthinking he's still having some spasms in his intestines and nausea. But he's asking regularly for the faucet to be turned on so he can drink water, he's eating the fish and rice and I mixed in a little wet catfood today, which he kept down. I started him on his Interferon, also.And he's been to the litterbox with normal results, so I'm just going to keep progressing slowly with his diet, and talk to the vet tomorrow about what we should do from here and possibly a kidney ultrasound.It makes me realize that when he does change foods, he's going to need to do it really slowly. I'm still rooting for my little Cotton-ball. He has such an expressive face, I can tell even when he's a shade off color. And I'm trying to teach my son Kellento watch him closely too, since they spend so much time together. That way hetoo willknow the signs of illness.And I know I probably over-reacted abit when I foundCottonsick, but it so breaks my heart to seeanyone in my care anything but happy. Thanks for talking/listening to me about him. Sandy - Original Message - From: Terri Brown To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 8:09 PM Subject: Re: Cotton crisis Well, definitely keep us posted -- I don't write in much (mostly lurk lately since I'm now FeLV free), but I can't bring myself to leave the group. If he seems to be holding his own, maybe try some Pet Tinic if you can find it. Good antioxidant vitamins for the kitties! You could mix it into some wet food for him. Great blood builder. There's another vitamin like it, but I can't think of the name offhand. I know you can get the Pet Tinic from www.drsfostersmith.com if it isn't available locally. =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, Travis, and 6 furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec Salome' =^..^= Furkid Photos! http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/My Personal Page: http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350 - Original Message - From: Dudes To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 12:57 AM Subject: Re: Cotton crisis  Aw, thank you Terri.Iworry so much about my little Cotton- ball, because he's still so young and still growing. Hehas been eating boiled fish and rice today, andI can tell he is not feeling as well as he could, but he seems to be on the mend. He's drinking lots of water on his own, and tomorrow I may let him back on dry kibble. Sandy - Original Message - From: Terri Brown To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 5:56 PM Subject: Re: Cotton crisis No thoughts, Sandy, but I am thrilled that he seems to be okay now. Sending positive thoughts his way! =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, Travis, and 6 furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec Salome' =^..^= Furkid Photos! http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/My Personal Page: http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350 - Original Message - From: Dudes To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 4:36 PM Subject: Cotton crisis  Cotton and I havesurvivedour first crisis together. He is fine now, but last night I thought I might lose him. Friday morning he was his usual bouncy self, just a little less hungry, like he's beensince he started taking the Metranidazole (for his bacteria laden stools). I came home from work, andwondered why he didn't greet me as he usually does. I found him in his favorite boy's room laying by the litterbox with a puddle of watery diarrhea next to him. He was weak,
Re: Rose pts
How sad. Big hugs to you... Goodnight, sweet Rose... =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, Travis, and 6 furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec Salome' =^..^= Furkid Photos! http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/My Personal Page: http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 11:46 PM Subject: Rose pts Thanks to all of you who have shared your experiences with your leukemia cats. This summer, we adopted our Rose from a Humane Society board member who had herat his house in a cage with his other rescued cats. Rose couldn't go toPetSmart cuz she was "unadoptable" due to chronic boogers, yet she was superfriendly and my kids, my dog, and I just loved her to bits.After she didn't get better on meds, I took her to the vet for THE test, andsure enough it was positive. Then, I joined this list to learn from you all. Rose had a great, but brief, relatively healthy life for the rest of her time,but then she went down hill quickly.Thanks to your posts, and the vet's food and advice, I syringe-fed her AD andH2O for a few days after the vet rehydrated her subQ. Rose seemed happy againfor a little while, but her overly-dilated eye never went back to normal, sothe vet thought that the leukemia had affected her neurologically.He was probably right, cuz by Friday, she was suffering, so I took Rose to beput to sleep. They couldn't find a vain on her, so they gave her an injectioninterthoracically. She lingered for a few moments in my arms as my dog and Isnuggled with her until she passed.Thanks again for all your posts. I didn't post much myself, but I was comfortedby this group every day.Now, if you will, please unsubscribe me until I can rejoin later to offer hopeand encouragement to others after I'm done mourning.Best,Denise in UtahThis message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program.
Re: 20 CATS...
LOL -- I know what you mean, but Siggie would look at me like, "Yeah, yeah, whatever" and continue to stalk. Maybe I'll take another crack at it Terri - Original Message - From: Dudes To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 12:24 AM Subject: Re: 20 CATS... Nina, I have to thank you, thank you, thank youbecause I took your advice, and it's totally worked! I did go to bed after thisemail, and I had a talk with Cricket! My husband was working late, so I had the perfect opportunity to do it without feeling silly,and I thought what the heck, I will try it. As she sat on my chest and kneaded my neck like she always does, I told her that she needed to be nicer to Cotton and it makes me sad when sheattacks him and I have to yell at her. I told her what you said, that he alreadyknew that she was a strong girl, and that he was just a little boy, who could learn a lot from her because she's so smart. I told her that he's sick and we might not get to have him around for very long, and it was not good for him to feel bad feelings, that it could make him sicker. (At this point she put her paw on my mouth, but until what happened later, I thought it was just a coincidence, but I now wonder ifit wasn't) I kissed herlittle foot, and Itold her to be patient with him until he learned to act like her-a very good girl. Now I know that sounds like a long speech to give a cat, but Istroked her head and talked very softly and she looked at me the entire time. Sometimes she looked away, as if she was hearing something uncomfortable, and some of the time she stared at me and seemed interested in my lips moving. I felt better, anyway. The next daythere were NO incidents of her chasing him or stalking him. NONE! It was the first time since he's been here. I saw her watching him at one point, and I thanked her for being such a good big sister to him.They both looked up at me, asdid Miss, who was nearby. Icould just swearthat she puffed up a little and put her tail a little higher, andlooked very pleased with herself! We have not had another incident of chasing/ambushing/batting heads since. Even when Cotton took a playfulswat at herwith outstretched paw, claws out as she walked by. She just stopped fora minute and stared at him, but I could see her ear cocked at me, like she thought I might say something. She didn't do a thing, she just walked on. Unless I'm imagining things, she totally got it. Anybody else ever talk to their cats and SWEAR they understand? PEACE is nice. I'm so happy that we have some.:) Sandy - Original Message - From: Nina To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 10:34 PM Subject: Re: 20 CATS... Sometimes I'll shame them into being nicer... You know, something like, Cricket, Cotton knows how tough you are, it's not necessary to be so firm! Be nice to your little brother and Cotton, you respect Cricket, she has a lot to teach you.
CLS Service for Monday 11/21/05
Hi All, Here is this weeks service. We have had some losses and have new furangels waiting at the bridge. My deepest sympathies to their parents on their losses. My prayers for all the furkids dealing with illness to get well and be healthy again. Take care all ... FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com
Thanks for Rose support
See, even now you guys are so awesome by offering me condolences. Thanks and know that this list is helping others even if they don't post often. Just reading what people write gives both great info and great comfort. Denise. This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program.
Ultrasound and assist feeding
Ultrasound doesn't hurt. They lay them on a table in a dimly lit room and smear some jelly-like stuff on their tummy. They run a hand held device over the area that they need to look at. The insides of the cat will show up on a monitor for them to view. I had always been told it was necessary to shave them, but someone on the list, (sorry, can't remember who), said that they convinced their vet to try it without shaving their kitty and it worked just fine. Any trauma that can be avoided is worth it, as far as I'm concerned, and cats don't like being shaved! Maybe they'd let you stay with him to help keep him calm. Something else you can syringe feed is Darla's recipe for chicken broth tonic. When I was using it for Gypsy, I also added a bit of colostrum: 1/4 cup plain chicken broth (I prefer it fairly watery and not too much fat) couple drops PetTinic 2 smidgens of KMR (VetSolutions Kitten Milk Replacement formula) 2 smidgens of Slippery Elm Bark powder 1 smidgen of Acidophilus powder (Kyo-Dophilus)
RE: Such a caring and loving group!
Ditto. I think one great thing about this group is that we are allowed to talk about other problems than feLV related. I have two felv kitties, but I also have non felv kitties who I need a lot of advise and support from. And everyone has been more than wonderful to give me what I need. I am so grateful! Hideyo From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terri Brown Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 2:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Such a caring and loving group! I know what you mean, Terrie! I've been here since October 1999 and I don't want to leave! FeLV kids are special to me. I love them all. T - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 12:27 AM Subject: Such a caring and loving group! You and me both! I feel the same way. I'll probably never leave the group because there is so much information here and caring/great people. I think I have been on this group since 2000-2001 can't remember. I feel the compassion/pain/joy for others since I have lost a few to this horrible disease myself. So I have a special place in my heart for these furbabies whether they are mine or someone elses. At least a few rescues/shelters are accepting the positive kitties and putting them into foster homes here. But not enough though. In a message dated 11/20/2005 9:00:35 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't write in much (mostly lurk lately since I'm now FeLV free), but I can't bring myself to leave the group. Terrie Mohr TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Owner/Driver Check sites for available Siameses for adoption! http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/ Click Here to Join WASHINGTON SIAMESE RESCUE Yahoo Group! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue http://hometown.aolcom/tatorbunz/index.html http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html Petfinder.com Adopt a Homeless Pet! http://www.petfinder.com/ http://www.felineleukemia.org/ http://www.petloss.com/ TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS https://www.paypal.com/
Re: Lost my Lancelot - add to bridge list
Gloria, It just sucks. You go ahead and rant against injustice and suffering! My ex-husband just called me recently to tell me about a kitten he adopted from someone that found her on the street. Well, long story short, the kind hearted lug has ended up spending over $3000 bucks on a heart operation to save her life! You can imagine the tirade and pleas that came out of my mouth when in the same breath he told me he was considering declawing her because she was going to be an inside-only cat! He was completely clueless about the horrors of such treatment. By the time I took a breath, I'd convinced him that NO cat should ever be declawed. People are so ignorant sometimes, it's up to us to keep our heads and do our best to educate them, some of them do listen. Once again my sympathies, I was really pulling for you and Lance. Tell Sue I'm sorry about Carla too. What's going on with all the kitten deaths lately? It's so sad, I rarely wear makeup, if I did, it would always be running all over my face with all the tears I've shed lately. Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, Nina - I still have way too many words about it - like DARN why did they declaw that young kitten and let him out and so forth... And why couldn't I find out what was wrong. Life is so imperfect seeming, sometimes. Sigh, Gloria
Re: CatTailFarms.org (donations)
Speaking of donations, I REALLY need a donation of a drill and a jig saw to install new cat doors for the ferals to access the heated storage room (yes, I did find a way to heat it!). If anyone has an old drill or saw laying around not being used, please consider donating it to my rescue (sorry not tax deductible)! I've just agreed to accept some ferals that have been dislocated from a cemetery (they would have all been euthanised otherwise), and after their adjustment period, I will open the window for access to the outside, but it's COLD up here in winter, and installing a cat door in the two windows that open would be much better for them than just leaving one open all the time, making it cold in there, and letting all the heat out. Cat door donations would be awesome too, but I know no one has extra cat doors just laying around, LOL! Jenn http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Adopt a cat from UCAT rescue: http://ucat.us/adopt.html Adopt a FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/ Adopt a FELV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html Saving one animal won't make a difference in the world, but it will make a world of difference for that one animal. ~~~ I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life. Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula! PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please email me for the NEW address to send them to! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.4/176 - Release Date: 11/20/2005
Re: Lost my Lancelot - add to bridge list
Did I miss Carla, don't have any messages about Carla??? -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Lost my Lancelot - add to bridge list
Carla belonged to a friend of Gloria. She mentioned her in an email about Lance, I don't think it was felv related. N Belinda Sauro wrote: Did I miss Carla, don't have any messages about Carla???
Re: CatTailFarms.org (donations)
Jenn, Bless your heart for taking in these ferals. With all you do, it's amazing that you still find the time and the room to keep helping more! (Speaking of... How's our Ms. Bones doing?). I'm afraid I don't have an extra drill or saw, (could use some donations too, truth be told!). I'll be sending good wishes and prayers that you get whatever you need to make your life and your charges lives more comfortable. Do you think there's a chance that the ferals will learn to trust? It's going to be a tough transition for them, but they'll soon see the advantages of having a loving human to share their lives with. You've made my day with your unending kindness. N [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Speaking of donations, I REALLY need a donation of a drill and a jig saw to install new cat doors for the ferals to access the heated storage room (yes, I did find a way to heat it!). If anyone has an old drill or saw laying around not being used, please consider donating it to my rescue (sorry not tax deductible)! I've just agreed to accept some ferals that have been dislocated from a cemetery (they would have all been euthanised otherwise), and after their adjustment period, I will open the window for access to the outside, but it's COLD up here in winter, and installing a cat door in the two windows that open would be much better for them than just leaving one open all the time, making it cold in there, and letting all the heat out. Cat door donations would be awesome too, but I know no one has extra cat doors just laying around, LOL! Jenn http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Adopt a cat from UCAT rescue: http://ucat.us/adopt.html Adopt a FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/ Adopt a FELV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html Saving one animal won't make a difference in the world, but it will make a world of difference for that one animal. ~~~ I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life. Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula! PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please email me for the NEW address to send them to!
New Member
Hello- My name is Rebecca and I am totally new to the cat world. I have some, but not extensive knowledge of cats, and just brought a cat into my home who tested positive for FeLV. I found him outside my office while on my lunchbreak last Thursday. He is perfect (to me)...a sweet, loving, adorable cat. Orange tabby in color. I took him immediately to the vet where a friend of mine works and they did an FeLV/feline aids test on him. He tested pos. for FeLV. The test they did looked somewhat like a home pregnancy test, they put his blood into a little receptacle and waited for the results similar to the way a home pregancy test works. I have been reading and reading about FeLV because I would like to care for him and keep him happy and healthy as long as I can. I know that this disease is fatal, at some point, but don't know enough about it by far and would like to be knowledgable about it if I'm to give him the best care possible that I can. He seems otherwise healthy and is going this saturday to see a vet for vaccines and to be neutered and a general exam of his health. Upon examnining him quickly last thursday at our quick visit, he seemed ok, had a cut/infection in between his toes which I have been treating and giving him Clavomox for any infection. He had diarrhea when I brought him home, which worried me, but it cleared up once he was eating normal food in which I added acidophiolous and digestive enzymes to. He no longer has diarrhea. Other than that, he has had no other visible issues. Has a VERY hearty appetite and asks me to feed him often, begs for food alongside my dogs which just cracks me up. I joined this list to learn as much as possible about this disease, what to expect and what steps to take to keep him healthy as possible. Any advice as to what testing or steps I should take from here are so appreciated. Thank you so much! Regards, Rebecca
Re: New Member
veggiepugs wrote: He seems otherwise healthy and is going this saturday to see a vet for vaccines and to be neutered and a general exam of his health. Vaccines put my FELV+ into major failure... He got over it, but it was a miracle he recovered. With the immune problems that FELV causes I would be hesitant to vaccinate... 'specially since he's now an inside kitty, right? Steph
Re: New Member
Yes he is. So I shouldn't vaccinate? ---Original Message--- From: Steph E Caldwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: New Member Sent: Nov 21 '05 18:50 veggiepugs wrote: He seems otherwise healthy and is going this saturday to see a vet for vaccines and to be neutered and a general exam of his health. Vaccines put my FELV+ into major failure... He got over it, but it was a miracle he recovered. With the immune problems that FELV causes I would be hesitant to vaccinate... 'specially since he's now an inside kitty, right? Steph
RE: New Member
Welcome to the list! I am glad that you are able to give him a good home! We have lots and lots of caring and educated people on the list so I hope you will write to us often. My first recommendation is that please DO not give any vaccinations (especially rabies) to this kitty. It is a personal choice. But if you can avoid it, I strongly suggest that you do not vaccinate this kitty. Vaccinations will temporary suppress their immune system, and the suppression could actually trigger any illness that he is not showing right now. Your vet may suggest that it's ok to give since he is asymptomatic, but, I would personally do not want to take a chance - Also, before you neuter him, you might want to run a blood work to make sure that he is in a good condition to go through surgery. I am mainly saying this, because I lost one of my healthiest girl to a spaying surgery.. she was completely healthy, but she died from the surgery. Also, ask your vet to make sure that they only use ISO gas, and not injectable sedatives during the surgery. Hideyo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of veggiepugs Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 4:48 PM To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: New Member Hello- My name is Rebecca and I am totally new to the cat world. I have some, but not extensive knowledge of cats, and just brought a cat into my home who tested positive for FeLV. I found him outside my office while on my lunchbreak last Thursday. He is perfect (to me)...a sweet, loving, adorable cat. Orange tabby in color. I took him immediately to the vet where a friend of mine works and they did an FeLV/feline aids test on him. He tested pos. for FeLV. The test they did looked somewhat like a home pregnancy test, they put his blood into a little receptacle and waited for the results similar to the way a home pregancy test works. I have been reading and reading about FeLV because I would like to care for him and keep him happy and healthy as long as I can. I know that this disease is fatal, at some point, but don't know enough about it by far and would like to be knowledgable about it if I'm to give him the best care possible that I can. He seems otherwise healthy and is going this saturday to see a vet for vaccines and to be neutered and a general exam of his health. Upon examnining him quickly last thursday at our quick visit, he seemed ok, had a cut/infection in between his toes which I have been treating and giving him Clavomox for any infection. He had diarrhea when I brought him home, which worried me, but it cleared up once he was eating normal food in which I added acidophiolous and digestive enzymes to. He no longer has diarrhea. Other than that, he has had no other visible issues. Has a VERY hearty appetite and asks me to feed him often, begs for food alongside my dogs which just cracks me up. I joined this list to learn as much as possible about this disease, what to expect and what steps to take to keep him healthy as possible. Any advice as to what testing or steps I should take from here are so appreciated. Thank you so much! Regards, Rebecca
RE: New Member
Just as FYI - I do not vaccinate any of my kitties (whether it's positive or negative on Felv) - and I have many many cats and they are all fine without it. I have had so many horror stories from vaccinations (brain damage to death.. sometimes) - with FeLV, you really want to be careful what you give them (where it might make sense to do with a healthy kitty, it may not for feLV kitties) --- remember, stress (whether it's a physical or emotional) is the biggest enemy for FeLV or kitties with virus (FIV, FIP, or FelV) - you want to do everything you can to avoid the stress and vaccinations is one of them --- surgery is another.. but this, you can' really avoid.. so please make sure that he is in the perfection condition to go through the surgery.. make sure that he is not anemic and all his organs are functioning normally... and again, no additional injectable sedatives, but ISO only for the surgery. And have a happy life with the kitty! Hideyo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 5:01 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: New Member Welcome to the list! I am glad that you are able to give him a good home! We have lots and lots of caring and educated people on the list so I hope you will write to us often. My first recommendation is that please DO not give any vaccinations (especially rabies) to this kitty. It is a personal choice. But if you can avoid it, I strongly suggest that you do not vaccinate this kitty. Vaccinations will temporary suppress their immune system, and the suppression could actually trigger any illness that he is not showing right now. Your vet may suggest that it's ok to give since he is asymptomatic, but, I would personally do not want to take a chance - Also, before you neuter him, you might want to run a blood work to make sure that he is in a good condition to go through surgery. I am mainly saying this, because I lost one of my healthiest girl to a spaying surgery.. she was completely healthy, but she died from the surgery. Also, ask your vet to make sure that they only use ISO gas, and not injectable sedatives during the surgery. Hideyo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of veggiepugs Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 4:48 PM To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: New Member Hello- My name is Rebecca and I am totally new to the cat world. I have some, but not extensive knowledge of cats, and just brought a cat into my home who tested positive for FeLV. I found him outside my office while on my lunchbreak last Thursday. He is perfect (to me)...a sweet, loving, adorable cat. Orange tabby in color. I took him immediately to the vet where a friend of mine works and they did an FeLV/feline aids test on him. He tested pos. for FeLV. The test they did looked somewhat like a home pregnancy test, they put his blood into a little receptacle and waited for the results similar to the way a home pregancy test works. I have been reading and reading about FeLV because I would like to care for him and keep him happy and healthy as long as I can. I know that this disease is fatal, at some point, but don't know enough about it by far and would like to be knowledgable about it if I'm to give him the best care possible that I can. He seems otherwise healthy and is going this saturday to see a vet for vaccines and to be neutered and a general exam of his health. Upon examnining him quickly last thursday at our quick visit, he seemed ok, had a cut/infection in between his toes which I have been treating and giving him Clavomox for any infection. He had diarrhea when I brought him home, which worried me, but it cleared up once he was eating normal food in which I added acidophiolous and digestive enzymes to. He no longer has diarrhea. Other than that, he has had no other visible issues. Has a VERY hearty appetite and asks me to feed him often, begs for food alongside my dogs which just cracks me up. I joined this list to learn as much as possible about this disease, what to expect and what steps to take to keep him healthy as possible. Any advice as to what testing or steps I should take from here are so appreciated. Thank you so much! Regards, Rebecca
RE: New Member
I know there is a lot of controversy about vaccinations even with dogs. So I understand the concern about that esp. regarding FeLV cats. I wondered if i should be concerned about any illnesses like rabies with him being around my dogs. My dogs are fully vaccinated (except for a few I choose not to give) and healthy but bringing a stray cat into my home, you can understand my concern also for my dogs' health. Are there any concerns I should have? I know he can't transmit the FeLV to them (hence the feline lol) but anything else i should be worried about other than paraistes? He is on clavamox now, if he had any parasites, would this be taking care of it? Thanks! Rebecca ---Original Message--- From: Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: New Member Sent: Nov 21 '05 19:07 Just as FYI - I do not vaccinate any of my kitties (whether it's positive or negative on Felv) - and I have many many cats and they are all fine without it. I have had so many horror stories from vaccinations (brain damage to death.. sometimes) - with FeLV, you really want to be careful what you give them (where it might make sense to do with a healthy kitty, it may not for feLV kitties) --- remember, stress (whether it's a physical or emotional) is the biggest enemy for FeLV or kitties with virus (FIV, FIP, or FelV) - you want to do everything you can to avoid the stress and vaccinations is one of them --- surgery is another.. but this, you can' really avoid.. so please make sure that he is in the perfection condition to go through the surgery.. make sure that he is not anemic and all his organs are functioning normally... and again, no additional injectable sedatives, but ISO only for the surgery. And have a happy life with the kitty! Hideyo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 5:01 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: New Member Welcome to the list! I am glad that you are able to give him a good home! We have lots and lots of caring and educated people on the list so I hope you will write to us often. My first recommendation is that please DO not give any vaccinations (especially rabies) to this kitty. It is a personal choice. But if you can avoid it, I strongly suggest that you do not vaccinate this kitty. Vaccinations will temporary suppress their immune system, and the suppression could actually trigger any illness that he is not showing right now. Your vet may suggest that it's ok to give since he is asymptomatic, but, I would personally do not want to take a chance - Also, before you neuter him, you might want to run a blood work to make sure that he is in a good condition to go through surgery. I am mainly saying this, because I lost one of my healthiest girl to a spaying surgery.. she was completely healthy, but she died from the surgery. Also, ask your vet to make sure that they only use ISO gas, and not injectable sedatives during the surgery. Hideyo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of veggiepugs Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 4:48 PM To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: New Member Hello- My name is Rebecca and I am totally new to the cat world. I have some, but not extensive knowledge of cats, and just brought a cat into my home who tested positive for FeLV. I found him outside my office while on my lunchbreak last Thursday. He is perfect (to me)...a sweet, loving, adorable cat. Orange tabby in color. I took him immediately to the vet where a friend of mine works and they did an FeLV/feline aids test on him. He tested pos. for FeLV. The test they did looked somewhat like a home pregnancy test, they put his blood into a little receptacle and waited for the results similar to the way a home pregancy test works. I have been reading and reading about FeLV because I would like to care for him and keep him happy and healthy as long as I can. I know that this disease is fatal, at some point, but don't know enough about it by far and would like to be knowledgable about it if I'm to give him the best care possible that I can. He seems otherwise healthy and is going this saturday to see a vet for vaccines and to be neutered and a general exam of his health. Upon examnining him quickly last thursday at our quick visit, he seemed ok, had a cut/infection in between his toes which I have been treating and giving him Clavomox for any infection. He had diarrhea when I brought him home, which worried me, but it cleared up once he was eating normal food in which I added acidophiolous and digestive enzymes to. He no longer has diarrhea. Other than that, he has had no other visible issues. Has a VERY hearty appetite and asks me to feed him often, begs for
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Well,,, realistically, if your kitty is going to be an indoor kitty, I don't see how your kitty are going to get rabies. I have 4 dogs and tons of cats and two of my dogs are never vaccinated with rabies. Your dogs's health are not going to be at risk because of this kitty. I have got FIV cats, and FelV cats and my dogs are way too healthy!! So, please don't worry... I appreciate your sensitiveness to your babies though. You might want to take his stool sample to a vet for an exam. Even if he has a parasite, please write to us before you give him any drug. I have a couple of no no stuff and wanted to make sure that I have a chance to warn you if it comes to that.. (clavamox will not kill any parasite, by the way - but why is he on the clavamox anyway? I am an unti antibiotics person, please forgive me.. we use antibiotics on animals way too much for no reasons.. we really don't give antibiotics to human babies unless it's critical.. Hideyo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of veggiepugs Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 5:20 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: New Member I know there is a lot of controversy about vaccinations even with dogs. So I understand the concern about that esp. regarding FeLV cats. I wondered if i should be concerned about any illnesses like rabies with him being around my dogs. My dogs are fully vaccinated (except for a few I choose not to give) and healthy but bringing a stray cat into my home, you can understand my concern also for my dogs' health. Are there any concerns I should have? I know he can't transmit the FeLV to them (hence the feline lol) but anything else i should be worried about other than paraistes? He is on clavamox now, if he had any parasites, would this be taking care of it? Thanks! Rebecca ---Original Message--- From: Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: New Member Sent: Nov 21 '05 19:07 Just as FYI - I do not vaccinate any of my kitties (whether it's positive or negative on Felv) - and I have many many cats and they are all fine without it. I have had so many horror stories from vaccinations (brain damage to death.. sometimes) - with FeLV, you really want to be careful what you give them (where it might make sense to do with a healthy kitty, it may not for feLV kitties) --- remember, stress (whether it's a physical or emotional) is the biggest enemy for FeLV or kitties with virus (FIV, FIP, or FelV) - you want to do everything you can to avoid the stress and vaccinations is one of them --- surgery is another.. but this, you can' really avoid.. so please make sure that he is in the perfection condition to go through the surgery.. make sure that he is not anemic and all his organs are functioning normally... and again, no additional injectable sedatives, but ISO only for the surgery. And have a happy life with the kitty! Hideyo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 5:01 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: New Member Welcome to the list! I am glad that you are able to give him a good home! We have lots and lots of caring and educated people on the list so I hope you will write to us often. My first recommendation is that please DO not give any vaccinations (especially rabies) to this kitty. It is a personal choice. But if you can avoid it, I strongly suggest that you do not vaccinate this kitty. Vaccinations will temporary suppress their immune system, and the suppression could actually trigger any illness that he is not showing right now. Your vet may suggest that it's ok to give since he is asymptomatic, but, I would personally do not want to take a chance - Also, before you neuter him, you might want to run a blood work to make sure that he is in a good condition to go through surgery. I am mainly saying this, because I lost one of my healthiest girl to a spaying surgery.. she was completely healthy, but she died from the surgery. Also, ask your vet to make sure that they only use ISO gas, and not injectable sedatives during the surgery. Hideyo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of veggiepugs Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 4:48 PM To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: New Member Hello- My name is Rebecca and I am totally new to the cat world. I have some, but not extensive knowledge of cats, and just brought a cat into my home who tested positive for FeLV. I found him outside my office while on my lunchbreak last Thursday. He is perfect (to me)...a sweet, loving, adorable cat. Orange tabby in color. I took him immediately to the vet where a friend of mine works and they did an FeLV/feline aids test on him. He tested pos. for FeLV. The test they did
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Yes I agree. I switched from one of my vets because he put my dogs on antibiotics EVERY time we went in there. He is on clavamox for the infected foot. Is that no good? I'm giving him topical ointment on it as well. Can't remember the name off the top of my head but it begins with a V. I would know if he had rabies coming into my home right? Rabies, from what I understand (which may be very little...lol) is clearly apparent in animals who have it. Ok well, thank you so much for your input and I appreciate the all you can give me! -Rebecca ---Original Message--- From: Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: New Member Sent: Nov 21 '05 19:33 Well,,, realistically, if your kitty is going to be an indoor kitty, I don't see how your kitty are going to get rabies. I have 4 dogs and tons of cats and two of my dogs are never vaccinated with rabies. Your dogs's health are not going to be at risk because of this kitty. I have got FIV cats, and FelV cats and my dogs are way too healthy!! So, please don't worry... I appreciate your sensitiveness to your babies though. You might want to take his stool sample to a vet for an exam. Even if he has a parasite, please write to us before you give him any drug. I have a couple of no no stuff and wanted to make sure that I have a chance to warn you if it comes to that.. (clavamox will not kill any parasite, by the way - but why is he on the clavamox anyway? I am an unti antibiotics person, please forgive me.. we use antibiotics on animals way too much for no reasons.. we really don't give antibiotics to human babies unless it's critical.. Hideyo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of veggiepugs Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 5:20 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: New Member I know there is a lot of controversy about vaccinations even with dogs. So I understand the concern about that esp. regarding FeLV cats. I wondered if i should be concerned about any illnesses like rabies with him being around my dogs. My dogs are fully vaccinated (except for a few I choose not to give) and healthy but bringing a stray cat into my home, you can understand my concern also for my dogs' health. Are there any concerns I should have? I know he can't transmit the FeLV to them (hence the feline lol) but anything else i should be worried about other than paraistes? He is on clavamox now, if he had any parasites, would this be taking care of it? Thanks! Rebecca ---Original Message--- From: Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: New Member Sent: Nov 21 '05 19:07 Just as FYI - I do not vaccinate any of my kitties (whether it's positive or negative on Felv) - and I have many many cats and they are all fine without it. I have had so many horror stories from vaccinations (brain damage to death.. sometimes) - with FeLV, you really want to be careful what you give them (where it might make sense to do with a healthy kitty, it may not for feLV kitties) --- remember, stress (whether it's a physical or emotional) is the biggest enemy for FeLV or kitties with virus (FIV, FIP, or FelV) - you want to do everything you can to avoid the stress and vaccinations is one of them --- surgery is another.. but this, you can' really avoid.. so please make sure that he is in the perfection condition to go through the surgery.. make sure that he is not anemic and all his organs are functioning normally... and again, no additional injectable sedatives, but ISO only for the surgery. And have a happy life with the kitty! Hideyo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 5:01 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: New Member Welcome to the list! I am glad that you are able to give him a good home! We have lots and lots of caring and educated people on the list so I hope you will write to us often. My first recommendation is that please DO not give any vaccinations (especially rabies) to this kitty. It is a personal choice. But if you can avoid it, I strongly suggest that you do not vaccinate this kitty. Vaccinations will temporary suppress their immune system, and the suppression could actually trigger any illness that he is not showing right now. Your vet may suggest that it's ok to give since he is asymptomatic, but, I would personally do not want to take a chance - Also, before you neuter him, you might want to run a blood work to make sure that he is in a good condition to go through surgery. I am mainly saying this, because I lost one of my healthiest girl to a spaying surgery.. she was
Re: Lost my Lancelot - add to bridge list
No but add Carla to the list too! Carla was Susan's little kitten - had such a short but loved life. Susan's on the FELVtalk list, but out of school now and doesn't check her email except at school. I can't recall if Carla was FELV or not, but I think so...will check with her later and let you know. Gloria Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : Carla belonged to a friend of Gloria. She mentioned her in an email about Lance, I don't think it was felv related. N Belinda Sauro wrote: gt; Did I miss Carla, don't have any messages about Carla??? gt;
Re: Cardiomyapathy leg paralysis
Del, Oh, I am so sorry to hear about "your" Sam. Reading your post brought back memories of "my" Sweet Sam. He was also six years old when he threw a clot that resulted in hind leg paralysis. I rushed him to the Emergency Vets when it happened (at 1:00 A.M. on a Sunday morning, of course). The vet on duty that night was a real ogre. She immediately advised euthanasia, PRIOR to even examining him! And, when I flat out refused and took him out of his carrier, when she saw he was already handicapped (was a stray that lost his right front leg in a TRAP!! That's how our rescue got him...), she insisted that he be euthanized. I just told her, as politely as I could, that since they already had my money (oh yes, money UP FRONT at this place), that the decision was mine alone, and I wanted them to stabilize him and make him comfortable until I could get him to my vet Monday morning. (He was very frightened because of his immobility, and missing his front limb, he freaked when he was unable to drag himself.) So, I took him to my vet Monday, and although they were not overly optimistic, they agreed to let me give him valium to calm him down, and give him some time to see if paralysis was permanent or if he'd adjust. They also prescribed a heart medication, Cardizem, and a blood thinner. My vet explained that in some cases, a blood thinner might work in reducing/eliminating the clot...but there were a lot of "If's". My poor Sam however didn't recover. The paralysis caused by the clot was permanent, blood flow to the hind had been cut off for too long. He also was very uncomfortable, and just cried all the time, despite the valium. By the end of the week I knew that I was being unfair to him in prolonging his agony. I assisted him over The Bridge. Now, my PeeWee threw a clot when she was around sixteen. In her case, I believe she pulled thru without permanent paralysis because I was able to get her to my own vet immediately after it happened. Once again, there were many "ifs" involved, but, lo and behold, my girl pulled thru and lived another two years. She also was on heart meds, and she did succomb to a stroke at 18, which vet felt was related to her cardiomyopathy. BUT...she did have another TWO goodyears after the initial diagnosis. So, don't despair.your Sam might be ok. I am sure there are groups out there dealing with feline cardiomyopathy. Did you do a Google search or check the Yahoo Groups listing? Also, there are some very good veterinary cardiologists now. Another thing to consider, if paralysis is permanent, is the "carts" for handicapped pets. Someone on this list posted links not too long ago on carts. I don't have the links, but if you check the archives, or maybe someone can re-post them for you. I wish you Sam the best of luck. Will keep you in my prayers. Hugs, Patti
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I wouldn't vaccinate unless it's state or township mandated. In New Jersey where I live, rabies is mandated by law. Other than that, I wouldn't vaccinate for anything other than distemper, and I would NOT do both at the same time. I say distemper because a vet once told me I can bring that in. If that information is incorrect, I know someone will correct me! =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, Travis, and 6 furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec Salome' =^..^= Furkid Photos! http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/My Personal Page: http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350 - Original Message - From: veggiepugs To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 7:00 PM Subject: Re: New Member Yes he is. So I shouldn't vaccinate? ---Original Message--- From: Steph E Caldwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: New Member Sent: Nov 21 '05 18:50 veggiepugs wrote: He seems otherwise healthy and is going this saturday to see a vet for vaccines and to be neutered and a general exam of his health. Vaccines put my FELV+ into major failure... He got over it, but it was a miracle he recovered. With the immune problems that FELV causes I would be hesitant to vaccinate... 'specially since he's now an inside kitty, right? Steph
Re: Cotton and Cricket
Nina, I don't know much about holistics, but have always been interested. But I know it's the holidays and time is scarce, so I won't impose to ask for a crash course, but I'd love to know what's worked for other FeLV cats. I think we will hold off on the antibiotics for a while until he's doing better. But I was so impressed with just a week or so's worth of Lysine's effect on Cotton's lymph nodes. (Thank you Jen!) Cotton is not a big fan of yogurt, although we tried it and it worked(he's more of astring/lettuce/Hot Cheetos kind ofguy), but we can put it in hiswet food. I know his gut flora is most likely a mess since he was so loaded with bacteria. And of course the minute I bragged on Cricket, shedid cornerCotton today, but I believe he was a little rambunctious with her, andthat upsets her. She looked so sad when we all jumped up to see what the commotion was, and she ran to the bedroom to hideunder the nightstand. I went and toldthe nightstandthat if Cricket was listening, it's ok, sometimes we all slip up from time to time, and I know she's trying. And to answer your question, Cotton's feeling just positively, 100% better today. I would go so far as to say he iszippy. He's happy and back to mischief, running at top speed all over the place, a blur of orange and white, stalking and pouncing as if he had catching up to do! Which is good to see, except he tried to steal a bite of pecan pie today off of an unsuspecting victim's plate. Dah! What am I going to do with him? He's like a little tabby spotted toddler. The ER Vet gave me his x-rays on CD, so I am taking it to the regular vet tomorrow to see if they recommend an ultrasound. I also thought she was very good, and was glad for her opinion. Thank you so much for asking and being concerned about him. Your suggestions arevery much appreciated. Sandy - Original Message - From: Nina To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 11:14 AM Subject: Cotton and Cricket Hi Sandy,I've been away from the computer for a couple of days and just saw your posts about Cotton's crisis. I'm glad to hear he's doing better, you must have been scared out of your mind when you found him like that! I sure hope he's much better by today. You know, Met is a pretty harsh antibiotic, how long has Cotton been on it? You might want to talk to the vet about trying another one, or making sure it's absolutely necessary to have him on antibiotics right now. Abx are true life savers, but they also suppress and kill the good bacteria too. Have you thought about treating Cotton holistically? I have a wonderful woman who has been helping me with finding the right remedies for my girl Gypsy who suffers from IBD. Patti and Hideyo have experience with them, maybe they'll have some suggestions. I know that Bioplasma (combination of 12 different tissue remedies), is a good overall support rx, you might want to try it with Cotton. Will Cotton lap plain yogurt? Think about adding some probiotics to his food to replace good bacteria in his gut, (Kydophilus is a good one). Also, slippery elm is good for coating as calming. Poor little lamb! If you want to talk, write me off-list and I'll send you my phone number.I'm thrilled to hear that Cricket and you had that talk! It sure sounds like she understood you. Isn't it amazing? I don't know if they understand our words, or if they are reading the pictures in our minds as we try to convey the meaning behind the words. I know that I have the best results if I try to "send" them pictures while I'm talking to them. Also, I've always heard it's better to speak and think in the affirmative. For example, when you want a dog to stop jumping, it's better to ask them to keep their feet on the floor, (sending the picture of them being calm, with four on the floor), rather than tell them NO jumping. I think it may have something to do with those "pictures" in our brain. When we say "no jumping", we are probably picturing them jumping up on us! So we can be saying no with our words, but sending them the picture of exactly the opposite thing we want from them. So when you talk to Cricket and Cotton about being nice, don't think about them being naughty at the same time! Picture instead, Cricket licking Cotton on the head, or at least ignoring him.Please let us know how little Cotton is doing this morning, I'm so worried about him.NinaDudes wrote: Nina, I have to thank you, thank you, thank youbecause I took your advice, and it's totally worked! I did go to bed after thisemail, and I had a talk with Cricket! My husband was working late, so I had the perfect opportunity to do it without feeling silly,and I thought what the heck, I will try it. As she sat on my chest and kneaded my neck like she always does, I told
Re: New Member
Hi Rebecca, Welcome! I'm relatively new to the list as well, but I have been made to feel very much at home. I have Cotton, who I talk about a lot (he's orange too, under a year old, and FeLV+). He has a boy who is my 17-year-old son. There are also 3 adult established cats, Cricket, Miss and Myca, all over 5 years old. I have two older dogs as well, a Beagle and a Woodle (Poodle/Westie mix). And one very understanding husband. :) Sandy
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Hideyo, I am so glad you addressed that, because I wondered for Cotton. Sandy - Original Message - From: Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 6:01 PM Subject: RE: New Member Welcome to the list! I am glad that you are able to give him a good home! We have lots and lots of caring and educated people on the list so I hope you will write to us often. My first recommendation is that please DO not give any vaccinations (especially rabies) to this kitty. It is a personal choice. But if you can avoid it, I strongly suggest that you do not vaccinate this kitty. Vaccinations will temporary suppress their immune system, and the suppression could actually trigger any illness that he is not showing right now. Your vet may suggest that it's ok to give since he is asymptomatic, but, I would personally do not want to take a chance - Also, before you neuter him, you might want to run a blood work to make sure that he is in a good condition to go through surgery. I am mainly saying this, because I lost one of my healthiest girl to a spaying surgery.. she was completely healthy, but she died from the surgery. Also, ask your vet to make sure that they only use ISO gas, and not injectable sedatives during the surgery. Hideyo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of veggiepugs Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 4:48 PM To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: New Member Hello- My name is Rebecca and I am totally new to the cat world. I have some, but not extensive knowledge of cats, and just brought a cat into my home who tested positive for FeLV. I found him outside my office while on my lunchbreak last Thursday. He is perfect (to me)...a sweet, loving, adorable cat. Orange tabby in color. I took him immediately to the vet where a friend of mine works and they did an FeLV/feline aids test on him. He tested pos. for FeLV. The test they did looked somewhat like a home pregnancy test, they put his blood into a little receptacle and waited for the results similar to the way a home pregancy test works. I have been reading and reading about FeLV because I would like to care for him and keep him happy and healthy as long as I can. I know that this disease is fatal, at some point, but don't know enough about it by far and would like to be knowledgable about it if I'm to give him the best care possible that I can. He seems otherwise healthy and is going this saturday to see a vet for vaccines and to be neutered and a general exam of his health. Upon examnining him quickly last thursday at our quick visit, he seemed ok, had a cut/infection in between his toes which I have been treating and giving him Clavomox for any infection. He had diarrhea when I brought him home, which worried me, but it cleared up once he was eating normal food in which I added acidophiolous and digestive enzymes to. He no longer has diarrhea. Other than that, he has had no other visible issues. Has a VERY hearty appetite and asks me to feed him often, begs for food alongside my dogs which just cracks me up. I joined this list to learn as much as possible about this disease, what to expect and what steps to take to keep him healthy as possible. Any advice as to what testing or steps I should take from here are so appreciated. Thank you so much! Regards, Rebecca
Re: Cotton crisis
Michelle, I think you are right, and I think the prudent thing to do is to watch for a trend in his labs, which might indicateimpaired functionor disease in the kidneys.Sandy - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 1:29 PM Subject: Re: Cotton crisis Sandy, I would think that if he had lymphoma in his kidneys to the point that they are enlarged, that something would be off in his blood work. I could be wrong, but when Josephine's kidneys got big enough for me to notice (which is probably bigger than Cotton's are right now), her kidney values were terrible. So maybe it is a good sign that his blood work is normal, and maybe there is something else going on. Michelle In a message dated 11/21/2005 2:20:32 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Michelle: My theories were for the stomach issues, not the kidneys. I am afraid that his kidneys being enlarged is a new finding. However, I agree with you, he may very well have lymphoma in the kidneys and intestines. His labs were all normal. So I still need to talk to the regular vet about his kidneys. Sandy
Re: New Member
Hi Rebecca, welcome to the group. I'm sorry that your very first kitty has tested positive for felv. It sounds like he's quite a guy, that's so cute that he already feels comfortable enough around your dogs to beg alongside them! I like how you describe him as perfect, I'm sure he is! I used to tell my felv kitty, Grace, that she was perfect all the time. What's your baby's name? Tell us a little more about him. How old do you think he is? If he's not a kitten, there's a better chance that he may clear the virus from his system, or maybe he's a carrier that won't ever develop symptoms. I sure do hope so. You sound like such a conscientious animal guardian. What a lucky little fellow to have found you. How bad is that infection between his toes? It might clear up with the antibiotic ointment alone. See what your regular vet has to say about it, it's always better to save the abx until you really need them. It's great that you've been doing research on felv. I remember when I first started looking into it, there are so many different and outdated opinions that it can really make your head spin. I was beside myself with worry and grief. I don't know what I would have done, if I hadn't found this group. Get him on a good quality diet, keep his stress low and stock up on immune boosting supplements like L-Lysine, Vita C, Transfer Factor (for when you might need it), and ask your vet about Interferon. There's all kinds of info about these things in the archives. If you get him on some sups, it may help clear up his infection. The other thing that you should keep in mind about felv kitties is that they don't die from the disease, they succumb to other diseases because of their compromised immune systems. By catching things early, you have a much better chance of helping him fight whatever it might be off. Never take a wait and see attitude if your baby seems ill, keep a close eye on him and enjoy every moment. As far as being concerned about your kitty infecting your dogs with something he hasn't been vaccinated for... I don't think there are many illnesses that are contagious between cats and dogs, (thank goodness). You might want to do a Google on it, or ask your vet. Let us know what you find out. I think the other list members that have written about the dangers of vaccines have a point, it's a tough call. Certainly don't vaccinate him for felv! If there are problems in your area for specific illness you may want to consider them, again, your vet should be able to tell you more about that. The fact that your kitty is an only cat, (and I assume you'll be keeping him indoors), will help him stay healthy. Having more than one cat puts the pos at greater risk than the neg, (imo), because things that most kitties can fight off can become life threatening for a felv pos cat, (like upper respiratory infections). Let us know how your vet visit goes, Nina veggiepugs wrote: Hello- My name is Rebecca and I am totally new to the cat world. I have some, but not extensive knowledge of cats, and just brought a cat into my home who tested positive for FeLV. I found him outside my office while on my lunchbreak last Thursday. He is perfect (to me)...a sweet, loving, adorable cat. Orange tabby in color. I took him immediately to the vet where a friend of mine works and they did an FeLV/feline aids test on him. He tested pos. for FeLV. The test they did looked somewhat like a home pregnancy test, they put his blood into a little receptacle and waited for the results similar to the way a home pregancy test works. I have been reading and reading about FeLV because I would like to care for him and keep him happy and healthy as long as I can. I know that this disease is fatal, at some point, but don't know enough about it by far and would like to be knowledgable about it if I'm to give him the best care possible that I can. He seems otherwise healthy and is going this saturday to see a vet for vaccines and to be neutered and a general exam of his health. Upon examnining him quickly last thursday at our quick visit, he seemed ok, had a cut/infection in between his toes which I have been treating and giving him Clavomox for any infection. He had diarrhea when I brought him home, which worried me, but it cleared up once he was eating normal food in which I added acidophiolous and digestive enzymes to. He no longer has diarrhea. Other than that, he has had no other visible issues. Has a VERY hearty appetite and asks me to feed him often, begs for food alongside my dogs which just cracks me up. I joined this list to learn as much as possible about this disease, what to expect and what steps to take to keep him healthy as possible. Any advice as to what testing or steps I should take from here are so appreciated. Thank you so much! Regards, Rebecca
Re: Cotton and Cricket
Sandy, It sounds like his episode was caused by his taste for the forbidden :). How far into his recommended dose of antibiotics is he? If it wasn't the abx causing the problem, maybe you shouldn't stop them. Did you talk to your vet about it? I'm so pleased to hear that Cotton is feeling so much better, he sounds like such a scamp! You and Cricket have your hands full with that one. Give that sweet Cricket a kiss from me, it sounds like she's really trying to please you. Paws crossed for tomorrow's vet visit. N Dudes wrote: Nina, I don't know much about holistics, but have always been interested. But I know it's the holidays and time is scarce, so I won't impose to ask for a crash course, but I'd love to know what's worked for other FeLV cats. I think we will hold off on the antibiotics for a while until he's doing better. But I was so impressed with just a week or so's worth of Lysine's effect on Cotton's lymph nodes. (Thank you Jen!) Cotton is not a big fan of yogurt, although we tried it and it worked(he's more of astring/lettuce/Hot Cheetos kind ofguy), but we can put it in hiswet food. I know his gut flora is most likely a mess since he was so loaded with bacteria. And of course the minute I bragged on Cricket, shedid cornerCotton today, but I believe he was a little rambunctious with her, andthat upsets her. She looked so sad when we all jumped up to see what the commotion was, and she ran to the bedroom to hideunder the nightstand. I went and toldthe nightstandthat if Cricket was listening, it's ok, sometimes we all slip up from time to time, and I know she's trying. And to answer your question, Cotton's feeling just positively, 100% better today. I would go so far as to say he iszippy. He's happy and back to mischief, running at top speed all over the place, a blur of orange and white, stalking and pouncing as if he had catching up to do! Which is good to see, except he tried to steal a bite of pecan pie today off of an unsuspecting victim's plate. Dah! What am I going to do with him? He's like a little tabby spotted toddler. The ER Vet gave me his x-rays on CD, so I am taking it to the regular vet tomorrow to see if they recommend an ultrasound. I also thought she was very good, and was glad for her opinion. Thank you so much for asking and being concerned about him. Your suggestions arevery much appreciated. Sandy.
Re: Kerry and Tiger
Ha! No, I'm not a cat, I just try and think like one, (or a dog, or a bird, or any animal I want to relate too). I think the kitties in my life do think I'm a huge clumsy cat sometimes! Especially when I mimic their vocalizations. I tell them all the time, I'm sorry I'm not as graceful in my movements as they are. Something else that I didn't mention to Kerry... Sometimes cats that are picky about their litter, will use a bigger box more reliably. I have a couple of jumbo boxes that I got at Home Depot. They're actually the pans that are used for mixing small amounts of cement. They're dirt cheap and they work great for nice big litterboxes. Also, some kitties don't like using a communal litterbox, it is after all a way of marking territory. Adding more boxes, in different locations sometimes helps. If our little man Cotton has accidents only when he's not feeling well, then I don't think it's behavioral. Poor little sprite! Nina Dudes wrote: Nina, are you sure you are not a cat? It makes a lot of sense. This interests me too, because Cotton also has accidents, but mostly when he has been feeling bad. I have attributed much of it to his digestive woes. He's also the pickiest cat I have ever known about his litterbox. He wants it immaculate. Sandy
Re: I guess we're discussing behavior on list!
Kerry, I'm no expert, so I can't really advise you about which ones to try, but I know there are different flower essences, (the most well known being Rescue Remedy), that might help Tiger. There are also homeopathic remedies specific to behavioral/nervous issues. You may want to look into these when it's time to try weaning Tiger off the meds. You'll be shocked to see how flower essences there are: http://www.earthspirits-herbals.com/Americart/AllEssences/QuinetessentialsFE/QuintessentialsFE.htm I'm not sure what you meant by "blowing off steam", but I know that kitties don't think about defecating outside the box the same way we do. It's a symptom that something is wrong, but it might be as simple as not feeling confident enough to share the communal box. Let me know how Tiger responds to the extra attention. I'm not kidding about it not needing to be alot of time, just a few minutes a day of one on one, making it clear to the other kitties that it's Tiger's time, is probably all it will take to make him feel like the special little man he is. I've learned with dog training, a technique that works like a charm for one dog, doesn't work at all with another. We could be way off base here, let me know what happens. N Kerry MacKenzie wrote: Hi Nina I haven't noticed any pattern (except the one I mentioned earlier--whereby he used to go to the box as soon asI got home). My instinct tells me--now I've given it more thought--it boils down to Tiger's neediness -- my guess is it that it's his way of blowing off steam when it all gets too much. I think perhaps if i do as you suggest--give him his own special time with me every night he'll feel more secure. It's sure worth a try. Perhaps that'll be the trick to weaning him off the kitty prozac too. Something i attempt every year but not succeded in doing yet. (Without the kp he goes crazy at night---I had never heard suchnoise from a cat before--first 7 months withTiger were sleepless months for all of us until the vet prescribed chlamypridine (sp?)) If Tiger hadn't taken it willingly, I would have been dosing myself with it. Will keep you posted Nina---thanks! Kerry
Re: New Member
Wow, everyone is so welcoming and wonderful here. thank you so much. More about my kittyman...His name is Brooklyn P. O'Malley officially. LOL. My boyfriend named him Brooklyn because it's a very very special place to us, the P stands for Putty tat (doh) and O'Malley because he's got orange fur...makes me think of an irish red-head. LOL. I found him outside my office on Thursday and he very willingly came into my arms and into my life. He walked into my house like he owned the place. lol. Went right up to the dogs and marked them as his rubbing his face all over them. My dog Lucy didn't know what to make of it, she kind of looked as if she were saying ohmygod what is this!! she kind of had a help me mom! look in her eyes. My boy Linus wanted to play with Brooklyn and started doing the doggy play bow at him and barking at him to instigate him to play. Brooklyn wasn't startled by him in the least and just looked at Linus as if to say And that means what exactly? How silly you look. LOL. He is absolutely FAN-tastic. Beautiful, sweet, personable, smart, vocal aad hysterically funny. He rolls around, acts silly (a big personality plus for me, I LOVE silly...lol) he even played with a toy I made him...all it is, is a string with a bell tied to the end, he loves it! So cute the way they bat it with their paws. I'm so excited about him because I have never lived with a cat before or known any very intimately. This is an experience for me and a wonderful one at that. I am sad to know he is sick but he is doing so well. Looking at him and observing his behavior, he appears as a perfectly healthy and normal cat. He has a RAVENOUS appetite and has gained some weight already. His belly looks nice and full. lol. His age has been guesstimated at about 5. He is not a kitten. I would definitely like to know more about feeding him. Right now I have him on feline a/d by hill's science diet (which isn't one of my favorite food companies but...the vets office gave it to me to fatten him up) and some kibble which they told me to have out all day for him. Is that right? I am a VERY serious guardian (don't use the word owner either Nina...I just can't...lol) about my animals. They are my children, my family and my life. It's just us here in my cozy apartment and we live very happily together. (my goodness I love animals...lol) I also have 2 rabbits, which Brooklyn hasn't bothered at all. I do all my research and have always found that having others to talk with has been one of the greatest helps. I'm so glad I joined here. I read up on everything and always take my animals to the vet at the sign of even a sniffle. My animals are VERY important to me and no less so than any human's life (in fact more so thatn SOME humans I know...lol) This is a hot topic whenever I bring it up, and I always hesitate to do so, but I want to put it out there. I am a vegan and my dogs are also on a vegan diet for almost 4 years now, vet supervised and are doing fantastically. I am always open for discussion on it, as long as it's not offensive. I don't push others to my ideas, I do it for my own reasons, so I'll never discuss it here other than mentioning it in this email. I however, I want to stress that I do NOT intend to try and change Brooklyn to such a diet at any point. He is too fragile for that, and cats, being obligate carnivores to begin with are very difficult to adjust to that kind of diet. (Most vegans would disagree with my decision, but I'm a whole different breed. LOL). So, he's the only meat eater in this house, and his health comes first. SO, that being said, please offer me any suggestions on diets, foods what I should feed him, supplements and what dosages I should be giving him. I will do whatever I must to get him healthy, boost and keep his immune system up and give him the best and healthiest life possible. More about Brooklyn's personality. He's a trip. He lets me know when he wants something and is usually pretty clear about what it is. The dogs keep trying to eat his food and get to his litterbox, so I built a shelf above their food area where he can jump up and have his food safe from the dogs trying to steal it. He got used to it in no time. I put his litterbox in a private place for him and have to get a cover for it before lucy starts thinking bon bons!. Ew. He has had no accidents since his diarrhea cleared up. Other than that, he has his own collar now which he will soon proudly wear with his name on it and NO he will not be an outdoor cat at all. That would be my decision regardless of whether he was FeLV+ or not. Knowing all the dangers and hazards to a cat's health and well being that exist outside when I can't be there to care for a cat is more than I want to think about. I've seen more than my share of cats and other animals that meet their fate along the roads. He lives here with me now so I can give him the best care.
Re: CatTailFarms.org (donations)
Bones is doing great Nina. I don't know how many ferals are coming yet, I think they said it would be about 8. I'm not going to try to socialize them, better they be afraid of humans if they want to survive on the streets. The people doing the rescue will keep any that seem at all socialized, I will only get the true feral ones. They will all be spayed/neutered before coming here. That's what they are doing now, that and making sure they are not sick before transporting them here. Jenn http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Adopt a cat from UCAT rescue: http://ucat.us/adopt.html Adopt a FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/ Adopt a FELV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html Saving one animal won't make a difference in the world, but it will make a world of difference for that one animal. ~~~ I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life. Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula! PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please email me for the NEW address to send them to! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.4/176 - Release Date: 11/20/2005
Re: CatTailFarms.org (donations)
I am on several freecycle groups, but they frown on posting too many wanted posts. Jenn http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Adopt a cat from UCAT rescue: http://ucat.us/adopt.html Adopt a FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/ Adopt a FELV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html Saving one animal won't make a difference in the world, but it will make a world of difference for that one animal. ~~~ I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life. Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula! PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please email me for the NEW address to send them to! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.4/176 - Release Date: 11/20/2005
Welcome Rebecca!
In a message dated 11/22/05 1:48:22 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is a hot topic whenever I bring it up, and I always hesitate to do so, but I want to put it out there. I am a vegan and my dogs are also on a vegan diet for almost 4 years now, vet supervised and are doing fantastically Welcome to the group from a fellow-vegan! It's always nice to meet others sharing the same life style. Reading your last post I notice other "common" things ~ Brooklyn - Special place for me too. Was born raised there. Lucy - I have a Lucy, a cattle dog X (One of my four canine companions, by far the most needy, very neurotic - I am so totally in love with her!) Midnight - my vegan dog (Due to food allergies, we sometimes "share" our meals Interestingly, I fostered 2 kittens who were on vegan diets due to allergies. (I had to give taurine supplement, but after rescuing these 2 from death's door, when their problem was diagnosed, they thrived!!!) Anyway, you will find the peopleon this list to be very knowledgeable, supportive, super-friendly and non-judgemental!! I think this has got to be one of the best groups of people I've ever had the pleasure of being in a "cyber" community with. Hopefully, you will too. I am sorry that Brooklyn's Felv+ status is what led you here.. But, you will get so much information on EVERY aspect of sharing your life with a Felv+ companion, along with all kinds of helpful information concerning diet, general health care, and so much more!! Most of all, you will get tons of support and there's always someone with an ear to listen or a shoulder to cry on Welcome to the group Rebecca!! Wishing you Brooklyn many happy years ahead! Hugs, Patti
Re: New Member
Welcome to the group Rebecca. It sounds like you've done a great job so far in welcoming this cat into your life. It sounds like you have a great positive outlook, and that you probably have a vet that is able to be worked with (since they didn't advise you to immediately kill this kitty like some stupid vets do). I would advise to carefully consider giving him the vaccines, and definitely do not give him the FELV vaccine. Some FELV+ cats do not recover as well from neutering as healthy cats do, so be prepared for that in case he's one of the weak ones. The fact that he's happy and healthy so far is a good sign that he's fighting the FELV. Others here will advise you on many supplements and drugs you can try on him, but the main thing I know for sure that helps is a Good Premium diet. Innova, California natural, Wellness, Royal Canin, are all good premium brands of cat food. Some people feed homemade diets, but that takes alot of time and skill to get right, so I always advise a good quality premium cat food. Iams, Pro Plan, Purina, and grocery store stuff (Meow Mix, Friskies, etc) are BAD FOODS, and if you are feeding those, switch him over to a good brand as soon as you can (but do it slowly). That's it for my advice, good diet equals healthy cat. Good luck with him, and welcome to the group! Jenn http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Adopt a cat from UCAT rescue: http://ucat.us/adopt.html Adopt a FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/ Adopt a FELV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html Saving one animal won't make a difference in the world, but it will make a world of difference for that one animal. ~~~ I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life. Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula! PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please email me for the NEW address to send them to! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.4/176 - Release Date: 11/20/2005
