date:20061216

Hey guys,

Nilla Belle was brought home yesterday after her spay
Thursday.  They wanted to keep her overnight because
she bled a lot because she was in heat and they said
they had to "wrap" her.  I am not sure what all this
means, but now I notice she's peeing blood.  She's
been in the house and we didn't let her out in time
and she peed on the tile.  Yesterday it was medium
reddish yellow, but I just got up and noticed that she
peed twice more while we were sleeping and one of the
pees was the color of the other yesterday, but the
other was pretty red.  The vet doesn't open for
another hour and a half, so I have to wait to call. 
If anyone is up out there (I am betting Nina isn't as
it's 4:30 am her time), do you know what could be
causing this?  Can she pop a stitch and it bleed into
her bladder?  That doesn't sound right.  Maybe she has
had a UTI and we didn't know it?  

Any advice is appreciated,
Thanks,
Wendy

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Re: Jimi Too Cool problem

2006-12-16 Thread Marylyn

Frequently they want to be alone when they leave this world.  Perhaps it is 
easier for them to leave without their people around willing them to stay or 
perhaps they think it will be easier on their human friends if they do not have 
to watch.  Also, some like to feel the cool ground during their last 
while---some just want to be cool.  The Royal Princess Kitty Katt and Ebony 
Thomas Katt both sought out cold tiles over blankets and warm places.  I took 
Ebony outside to let him enjoy the earth while waiting for his vet on New 
Year's Eve night.   

Know that you are letting him do as he needs to even if it breaking your heart 
and frightening you.  He loves you for that.  Keep the cat door available to 
him and consider putting a blanket or something warm under the deck for him 
(this is more for you than for him). 





 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of compassion 
and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with their 
fellow man.
  St. Francis
  - Original Message - 
  From: anne 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 2:17 AM
  Subject: Jimi Too Cool problem


  Hi everyone,
 My Jimi Too Cool, 10 year old black domestic shorthair with feline 
leukemia, is in his last stage of life, I am sure.  He has been slowly going 
downhill.  He is just bones with fur and won't eat.  His pain is controlled 
with depo-medrol and tramadol and he is not in distress, pain is under control, 
but he mostly just sleeps a lot.  Well, tonight he made a break for it and went 
outside and won't come in and it is at freezing temp now.  32 degrees, I 
believe.  No wind, though.  I have cat-fence-in so he is not straying but I 
can't reach him.  Every time I go out to try and bring him in, he runs for 
cover under the deck.  

 Have any of you run into this problem?  I have heard that cats and dogs 
like to go outside to die.  Could that be it, I wonder?  I am so worried about 
him as he is so skinny and he is not used to this cold weather.  He can come 
in, though, if he would like, as I put the cat door back into the window, just 
for him, although I had it stowed for the cold weather until spring.  I am 
trying to relax because I know he could come in if he wanted to so he must not 
mind it outside.  Sigh

 Thanks, everyone.

  Anne and Jimi Too Cool and Simms and Sophie in MI

Re: To Nina and other dog experts: Nilla Belle peeing blood after spay

2006-12-16 Thread Marylyn

I'm no dog expert but I've shared my life with plenty of them.  I've never 
had a problem like this.  Do you have an emergency vet nearby or will your 
vet come in for emergencies?  My concern is for the rest of the weekend. 
Also, I would not be put off.  I would want to see a vet for my own peace of 
mind.






If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
 St. 
Francis
- Original Message - 
From: "wendy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 6:36 AM
Subject: OT: To Nina and other dog experts: Nilla Belle peeing blood after 
spay




Hey guys,

Nilla Belle was brought home yesterday after her spay
Thursday.  They wanted to keep her overnight because
she bled a lot because she was in heat and they said
they had to "wrap" her.  I am not sure what all this
means, but now I notice she's peeing blood.  She's
been in the house and we didn't let her out in time
and she peed on the tile.  Yesterday it was medium
reddish yellow, but I just got up and noticed that she
peed twice more while we were sleeping and one of the
pees was the color of the other yesterday, but the
other was pretty red.  The vet doesn't open for
another hour and a half, so I have to wait to call.
If anyone is up out there (I am betting Nina isn't as
it's 4:30 am her time), do you know what could be
causing this?  Can she pop a stitch and it bleed into
her bladder?  That doesn't sound right.  Maybe she has
had a UTI and we didn't know it?

Any advice is appreciated,
Thanks,
Wendy

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Re: To Nina and other dog experts: Nilla Belle peeing blood after spay

Thanks Marylyn,

They open in less than half an hour, so we'll call
right away.  If we have to take her in, we will, but I
am hoping all she needs is antibiotics.  I don't want
her stuck at the vets all day Sunday by herself if all
she needs is antibiotics, you know?

:)
Wendy

--- Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I'm no dog expert but I've shared my life with
> plenty of them.  I've never 
> had a problem like this.  Do you have an emergency
> vet nearby or will your 
> vet come in for emergencies?  My concern is for the
> rest of the weekend. 
> Also, I would not be put off.  I would want to see a
> vet for my own peace of 
> mind.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  If
> you have men who will 
> exclude any of God's creatures
> 
> from the shelter of 
> compassion and pity, you will have men who
> 
> will deal likewise with 
> their fellow man.
> 
>  St. 
> Francis
> - Original Message - 
> From: "wendy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 6:36 AM
> Subject: OT: To Nina and other dog experts: Nilla
> Belle peeing blood after 
> spay
> 
> 
> > Hey guys,
> >
> > Nilla Belle was brought home yesterday after her
> spay
> > Thursday.  They wanted to keep her overnight
> because
> > she bled a lot because she was in heat and they
> said
> > they had to "wrap" her.  I am not sure what all
> this
> > means, but now I notice she's peeing blood.  She's
> > been in the house and we didn't let her out in
> time
> > and she peed on the tile.  Yesterday it was medium
> > reddish yellow, but I just got up and noticed that
> she
> > peed twice more while we were sleeping and one of
> the
> > pees was the color of the other yesterday, but the
> > other was pretty red.  The vet doesn't open for
> > another hour and a half, so I have to wait to
> call.
> > If anyone is up out there (I am betting Nina isn't
> as
> > it's 4:30 am her time), do you know what could be
> > causing this?  Can she pop a stitch and it bleed
> into
> > her bladder?  That doesn't sound right.  Maybe she
> has
> > had a UTI and we didn't know it?
> >
> > Any advice is appreciated,
> > Thanks,
> > Wendy
> >
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Re: To Nina and other dog experts: Nilla Belle peeing blood after spay

2006-12-16 Thread Marylyn

No I would not want her alone at the vet's.  She would be better off with 
someone (you) watching after her.  My concerns are whether you have backup 
if the vet is not open.  I live in a rural area and finding vets off hours 
here can be (at best) interesting.  Nilla is such a lucky dog.  I wish her a 
long and happy life with you and you with her.

If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
 St. 
Francis
- Original Message - 
From: "wendy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 7:37 AM
Subject: Re: To Nina and other dog experts: Nilla Belle peeing blood after 
spay

Thanks Marylyn,

They open in less than half an hour, so we'll call
right away.  If we have to take her in, we will, but I
am hoping all she needs is antibiotics.  I don't want
her stuck at the vets all day Sunday by herself if all
she needs is antibiotics, you know?

:)
Wendy

--- Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I'm no dog expert but I've shared my life with
plenty of them.  I've never
had a problem like this.  Do you have an emergency
vet nearby or will your
vet come in for emergencies?  My concern is for the
rest of the weekend.
Also, I would not be put off.  I would want to see a
vet for my own peace of
mind.

 If
you have men who will
exclude any of God's creatures

from the shelter of
compassion and pity, you will have men who

will deal likewise with
their fellow man.

 St.
Francis
- Original Message - 
From: "wendy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 6:36 AM
Subject: OT: To Nina and other dog experts: Nilla
Belle peeing blood after
spay

> Hey guys,
>
> Nilla Belle was brought home yesterday after her
spay
> Thursday.  They wanted to keep her overnight
because
> she bled a lot because she was in heat and they
said
> they had to "wrap" her.  I am not sure what all
this
> means, but now I notice she's peeing blood.  She's
> been in the house and we didn't let her out in
time
> and she peed on the tile.  Yesterday it was medium
> reddish yellow, but I just got up and noticed that
she
> peed twice more while we were sleeping and one of
the
> pees was the color of the other yesterday, but the
> other was pretty red.  The vet doesn't open for
> another hour and a half, so I have to wait to
call.
> If anyone is up out there (I am betting Nina isn't
as
> it's 4:30 am her time), do you know what could be
> causing this?  Can she pop a stitch and it bleed
into
> her bladder?  That doesn't sound right.  Maybe she
has
> had a UTI and we didn't know it?
>
> Any advice is appreciated,
> Thanks,
> Wendy
>
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Re: Interferon question - FeLV+/FIV+ = now negative

I think you can go off now.  Congratulations on your negative results!!
  t

"Del H. Daniels" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Hi Everyone, 
   
  I don't post much but have a serious question re Interferon.  Kitty tested 
positive for FeLV/FIV at nine months old.  She has had daily Interferon for the 
past 3+ months.  Now that she has tested negative for both diseases, what 
experience has anyone else had and vet recommendations for tapering off the 
IFN?  
  I thought once kitties were FIV+ that disease did not disappear but the FeLV+ 
sometimes is fought off (30%).  
  This sweet girl can be adopted out once she is off the interferon.  
   
  Del
   
  In memory of Effie 2001-2005

Re: Prayers needed for Bandy

2006-12-16 Thread Sherry DeHaan

Kerry you and Bandy are in my prayers.I hope he can over come this.Hugs to you.
  Sherry and my beautiful boys.

Kerry Roach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi everyone,
  My Bandy has been very sick this week..First, we are still fighting the 
ringworm, but it is our least worry for now..He starting getting limp in one 
rear leg as he did back in the summer..So I took him in on Tues. and he 
received basically same treatment as in the summer...He got some dex, adequan, 
B vit inj, and torbutrol for pain..His temp was 103.5 which is the highest it 
has been since Aug..he did seem to respond as he came home, ate ok and 
drank...climbed up on his tower and would purr and talk to me..Then on Fri. or 
really late Thurs night, he wouldn't eat at all or move about much..So I took 
him back to the doctor Fri afternoon...His temp was still around 103 which 
could explain the bad appetite, but I didn't know what else to do and still 
don't...
  So the vet tech called the Doctor since she is off on Fri..we ran a complete 
blood chem and profile and thyroid...He hasn't had all that since June so we 
were due...It didn't help us much either...Surprising enough his PCV was 37.5 
which is great...the WBC was low normal...some other blood values grans and 
monocytes were off which I don't know what all that means..his platlets were 
very low...Anyone know anything about that
  I'm really scared for him now...He doesn't seem to have URI or UTI and no 
mouth ulcers..no stomach trouble either..He did have a loose stool couple of 
times the other day. Probably from all the meds on Tues..
  I can't get him to eat...I have tried everything...He will eat a few bites at 
 a time and won't drink any broth either..I don't know what else to 
try...Please let me know what you all think.
  He also got 250cc subq fluids..today and 2 different antibiotic injections 
along with 5mg pred which we are going on for a week..and if he won't eat I am 
to up it to 10mg..also oxazepam for appetite stimulant...
  Please keep him in your prayers..
  I hope all your kitties are doing well...we send head butts to all..
  Kerry, Bandy and Inky
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Re: Jimi Too Cool problem

2006-12-16 Thread Wolf, Leah R.

Dear Anne,

My heart goes out to you, since it was just 8 days ago since I lost my Bubba.

He, too, sought out hiding places shortly before he died.  I think that Jimi is 
trying to find a place to be alone more than anything else.  When Bubba finally 
became too weak to move around the apartment, I kept him right next to me so I 
could hold him and stroke him and talk to him.  That meant a lot to me and I 
think that it meant a lot to him, too, because even though I think he was in a 
coma at the end, his tail would switch and he would purr when I talked to him 
and stroked him.



Leah
  - Original Message - 
  From: anne 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 3:17 AM
  Subject: Jimi Too Cool problem


  Hi everyone,
 My Jimi Too Cool, 10 year old black domestic shorthair with feline 
leukemia, is in his last stage of life, I am sure.  He has been slowly going 
downhill.  He is just bones with fur and won't eat.  His pain is controlled 
with depo-medrol and tramadol and he is not in distress, pain is under control, 
but he mostly just sleeps a lot.  Well, tonight he made a break for it and went 
outside and won't come in and it is at freezing temp now.  32 degrees, I 
believe.  No wind, though.  I have cat-fence-in so he is not straying but I 
can't reach him.  Every time I go out to try and bring him in, he runs for 
cover under the deck.  

 Have any of you run into this problem?  I have heard that cats and dogs 
like to go outside to die.  Could that be it, I wonder?  I am so worried about 
him as he is so skinny and he is not used to this cold weather.  He can come 
in, though, if he would like, as I put the cat door back into the window, just 
for him, although I had it stowed for the cold weather until spring.  I am 
trying to relax because I know he could come in if he wanted to so he must not 
mind it outside.  Sigh

 Thanks, everyone.

  Anne and Jimi Too Cool and Simms and Sophie in MI

Re: Prayers needed for Bandy

 
Kerry, did you ever try the Immuno-Regulin? Smoky on this list had really  
good luck with it getting rid of fevers, and when my Lucy could not throw a bad 
 
URI a couple months ago just two shots of it did it for her.  And if he has  
a fever, he likely has a URI.  That was Lucy's only symptom besides being  
lethargic and not eating.  Her nose bubbled a few times, but not so that I  
even 
would have noticed if not for the fever and loss of appetite and  limpness.
 
I think I remember that you did not want to try I-R for some reason?   I am 
not sure why, at this point.  It has been so incredibly helpful in  these 
situations for me and others.  I don't think you have anything at all  to lose 
in 
trying it.
 
Prayers,
Michelle
 
In a message dated 12/16/2006 6:38:35 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Hi everyone,
My Bandy has been very sick this week..First, we are still fighting the  
ringworm, but it is our least worry for now..He starting getting limp in one  
rear 
leg as he did back in the summer..So I took him in on Tues. and he  received 
basically same treatment as in the summer...He got some dex, adequan,  B vit 
inj, and torbutrol for pain..His temp was 103.5 which is the highest it  has 
been since Aug..he did seem to respond as he came home, ate ok and  
drank...climbed up on his tower and would purr and talk to me..Then on Fri. or  
really 
late Thurs night, he wouldn't eat at all or move about much..So I took  him 
back 
to the doctor Fri afternoon...His temp was still around 103 which  could 
explain the bad appetite, but I didn't know what else to do and still  don't...
So the vet tech called the Doctor since she is off on Fri..we ran a  complete 
blood chem and profile and thyroid...He hasn't had all that since  June so we 
were due...It didn't help us much either...Surprising enough his  PCV was 
37.5 which is great...the WBC was low normal...some other blood values  grans 
and 
monocytes were off which I don't know what all that means..his  platlets were 
very low...Anyone know anything about that
I'm really scared for him now...He doesn't seem to have URI or UTI and no  
mouth ulcers..no stomach trouble either..He did have a loose stool couple of  
times the other day. Probably from all the meds on Tues..
I can't get him to eat...I have tried everything...He will eat a few  bites 
at  a time and won't drink any broth either..I don't know what else  to 
try...Please let me know what you all think.
He also got 250cc subq fluids..today and 2 different antibiotic  injections 
along with 5mg pred which we are going on for a week..and if he  won't eat I am 
to up it to 10mg..also oxazepam for appetite stimulant...
Please keep him in your prayers..
I hope all your kitties are doing well...we send head butts to  all..
Kerry, Bandy and Inky
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Re: [feline-cancer] some good news

 
What state and hospital is Dr. Ward? The name sounds familiar, though maybe  
just from your emails...
Micherlle
 
In a message dated 12/16/2006 6:32:35 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Thank you Gina.  I met  two  women in the waiting room yesterday who also 
 need prayers for their babies, both cats.  One has the same thing as Asia  
and it was good for her mom to hear our good news.  We had our own little  
support group meeting n thewaiting room.  Both of the  other women had 
driven 
over 50 miles to come to Dr. Ward.
 
Dianne and  Asia

Re: Jimi Too Cool problem

 
What's happened since then?
 
I know it is distressing, and I would be trying to get him in too. But it  is 
true they want to do this, often, to die, and it is also true that  
hypothermia is supposed to be one of the most painless ways to die, and to help 
 with 
other kinds of pain, I think.  If he passes, or passed, outside, it  really may 
be the best thing.  Though I completely understand your  distress.
 
Michelle
 
In a message dated 12/16/2006 3:19:57 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Hi everyone,
   My Jimi Too Cool, 10  year old black domestic shorthair with feline 
leukemia, is in his last stage  of life, I am sure.  He has been slowly going 
downhill.  He is just  bones with fur and won't eat.  His pain is controlled 
with  
depo-medrol and tramadol and he is not in distress, pain is under control, but  
he mostly just sleeps a lot.  Well, tonight he made a break for it and  went 
outside and won't come in and it is at freezing temp now.  32  degrees, I 
believe.  No wind, though.  I have cat-fence-in so he is  not straying but I 
can't 
reach him.  Every time I go out to try and bring  him in, he runs for cover 
under the deck.  
 
   Have any of you run  into this problem?  I have heard that cats and dogs 
like to go outside to  die.  Could that be it, I wonder?  I am so worried about 
him as he  is so skinny and he is not used to this cold weather.  He can come 
in,  though, if he would like, as I put the cat door back into the window, 
just for  him, although I had it stowed for the cold weather until spring.  I 
am 
 trying to relax because I know he could come in if he wanted to so he must 
not  mind it outside.  Sigh
 
   Thanks,  everyone.
 
Anne and Jimi Too Cool and Simms  and Sophie in MI

Re: [feline-cancer] some good news

2006-12-16 Thread Dianne K Perry, Ph.D.

Dr Heidi Ward in Sarasota Florida.  
  - Original Message - 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 9:37 AM
  Subject: Re: [feline-cancer] some good news

  What state and hospital is Dr. Ward? The name sounds familiar, though maybe 
just from your emails...
  Micherlle

  In a message dated 12/16/2006 6:32:35 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL 
PROTECTED] writes:
Thank you Gina.  I met two  women in the waiting room yesterday who 
also need prayers for their babies, both cats.  One has the same thing as Asia 
and it was good for her mom to hear our good news.  We had our own little 
support group meeting n thewaiting room.  Both of the other women had 
driven over 50 miles to come to Dr. Ward.

Dianne and Asia

Re: Prayers needed for Bandy

Kerry,

Prayers going out right now for little Bandy.  Please
keep us posted.

:)
Wendy

--- Kerry Roach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>   My Bandy has been very sick this week..First, we
> are still fighting the ringworm, but it is our least
> worry for now..He starting getting limp in one rear
> leg as he did back in the summer..So I took him in
> on Tues. and he received basically same treatment as
> in the summer...He got some dex, adequan, B vit inj,
> and torbutrol for pain..His temp was 103.5 which is
> the highest it has been since Aug..he did seem to
> respond as he came home, ate ok and drank...climbed
> up on his tower and would purr and talk to me..Then
> on Fri. or really late Thurs night, he wouldn't eat
> at all or move about much..So I took him back to the
> doctor Fri afternoon...His temp was still around 103
> which could explain the bad appetite, but I didn't
> know what else to do and still don't...
>   So the vet tech called the Doctor since she is off
> on Fri..we ran a complete blood chem and profile and
> thyroid...He hasn't had all that since June so we
> were due...It didn't help us much
> either...Surprising enough his PCV was 37.5 which is
> great...the WBC was low normal...some other blood
> values grans and monocytes were off which I don't
> know what all that means..his platlets were very
> low...Anyone know anything about that
>   I'm really scared for him now...He doesn't seem to
> have URI or UTI and no mouth ulcers..no stomach
> trouble either..He did have a loose stool couple of
> times the other day. Probably from all the meds on
> Tues..
>   I can't get him to eat...I have tried
> everything...He will eat a few bites at  a time and
> won't drink any broth either..I don't know what else
> to try...Please let me know what you all think.
>   He also got 250cc subq fluids..today and 2
> different antibiotic injections along with 5mg pred
> which we are going on for a week..and if he won't
> eat I am to up it to 10mg..also oxazepam for
> appetite stimulant...
>   Please keep him in your prayers..
>   I hope all your kitties are doing well...we send
> head butts to all..
>   Kerry, Bandy and Inky
> 
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Re: OT: To Nina and other dog experts: Nilla Belle peeing blood after spay

 
Wendy - I am praying for you both.  Please let us know what the doctor  says.
elizabeth
 
In a message dated 12/16/2006 6:37:38 AM Central Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Hey  guys,

Nilla Belle was brought home yesterday after her  spay
Thursday.  They wanted to keep her overnight because
she bled  a lot because she was in heat and they said
they had to "wrap" her.  I  am not sure what all this
means, but now I notice she's peeing blood.   She's
been in the house and we didn't let her out in time
and she peed  on the tile.  Yesterday it was medium
reddish yellow, but I just got  up and noticed that she
peed twice more while we were sleeping and one of  the
pees was the color of the other yesterday, but the
other was pretty  red.  The vet doesn't open for
another hour and a half, so I have to  wait to call. 
If anyone is up out there (I am betting Nina isn't  as
it's 4:30 am her time), do you know what could be
causing this?   Can she pop a stitch and it bleed into
her bladder?  That doesn't  sound right.  Maybe she has
had a UTI and we didn't know it?   

Any advice is appreciated,
Thanks,
Wendy

Re: Jimi Too Cool problem

I'm sorry Anne.  Maybe he does want to be private.  I don't know.  You are both 
in my prayers.
  tonya

anne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Hi everyone,
 My Jimi Too Cool, 10 year old black domestic shorthair with feline 
leukemia, is in his last stage of life, I am sure.  He has been slowly going 
downhill.  He is just bones with fur and won't eat.  His pain is controlled 
with depo-medrol and tramadol and he is not in distress, pain is under control, 
but he mostly just sleeps a lot.  Well, tonight he made a break for it and went 
outside and won't come in and it is at freezing temp now.  32 degrees, I 
believe.  No wind, though.  I have cat-fence-in so he is not straying but I 
can't reach him.  Every time I go out to try and bring him in, he runs for 
cover under the deck.  
   
 Have any of you run into this problem?  I have heard that cats and dogs 
like to go outside to die.  Could that be it, I wonder?  I am so worried about 
him as he is so skinny and he is not used to this cold weather.  He can come 
in, though, if he would like, as I put the cat door back into the window, just 
for him, although I had it stowed for the cold weather until spring.  I am 
trying to relax because I know he could come in if he wanted to so he must not 
mind it outside.  Sigh
   
 Thanks, everyone.
   
  Anne and Jimi Too Cool and Simms and Sophie in MI

Switching from interferon alpha to omega

2006-12-16 Thread Susan Tillman

Hi Folks,

Do any of you know if it is possible to switch from interferon alpha to
Virbagen interferon omega if/when a cat becomes resistant to the interferon
alpha? My thinking on this is to start my FeLV+ kitty Shane on the alpha now
since it is readily available and affordable and if at some point it stops
working for him, to look into importing the omega. (Everything on his CBC is
presently within normal range.) Would that work, or when they become
resistant to the alpha does that cross over to the omega? Anybody know? The
other hope is that by the time that happens, maybe the Omega will be
licensed for use in the USA. Also, how can you tell that a cat has developed
a resistance to the interferon alpha, just by clinical signs or is there a
specific test?

Thanks in advance for your help!

Sue and Shane
Jerome, AZ

RE: Jimi Too Cool problem

2006-12-16 Thread Diane Rosenfeldt

Anne, I'm so sorry you have this added worry at a time like this.  But yes,
you're giving him a choice, and if he wants to come back in he will.  If you
know he's still alive, you could go out from time to time and just sit and
talk to him -- tell him his story, tell him what he means to you.  Do this
even if you can't see him just then.  This will help both of you.  He'll
know you're caring for him without trying to coerce him, and you will be
together in every way except physically.  Hugs to you both.

Diane R.

Re: Prayers needed for Bandy

Kerry,
   
  I have no advice.  Just prayers for you and Bandy.
   
  t

Kerry Roach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi everyone,
  My Bandy has been very sick this week..First, we are still fighting the 
ringworm, but it is our least worry for now..He starting getting limp in one 
rear leg as he did back in the summer..So I took him in on Tues. and he 
received basically same treatment as in the summer...He got some dex, adequan, 
B vit inj, and torbutrol for pain..His temp was 103.5 which is the highest it 
has been since Aug..he did seem to respond as he came home, ate ok and 
drank...climbed up on his tower and would purr and talk to me..Then on Fri. or 
really late Thurs night, he wouldn't eat at all or move about much..So I took 
him back to the doctor Fri afternoon...His temp was still around 103 which 
could explain the bad appetite, but I didn't know what else to do and still 
don't...
  So the vet tech called the Doctor since she is off on Fri..we ran a complete 
blood chem and profile and thyroid...He hasn't had all that since June so we 
were due...It didn't help us much either...Surprising enough his PCV was 37.5 
which is great...the WBC was low normal...some other blood values grans and 
monocytes were off which I don't know what all that means..his platlets were 
very low...Anyone know anything about that
  I'm really scared for him now...He doesn't seem to have URI or UTI and no 
mouth ulcers..no stomach trouble either..He did have a loose stool couple of 
times the other day. Probably from all the meds on Tues..
  I can't get him to eat...I have tried everything...He will eat a few bites at 
 a time and won't drink any broth either..I don't know what else to 
try...Please let me know what you all think.
  He also got 250cc subq fluids..today and 2 different antibiotic injections 
along with 5mg pred which we are going on for a week..and if he won't eat I am 
to up it to 10mg..also oxazepam for appetite stimulant...
  Please keep him in your prayers..
  I hope all your kitties are doing well...we send head butts to all..
  Kerry, Bandy and Inky
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Re: OT: To Nina and other dog experts: Nilla Belle peeing blood after spay

I would call the vet this morning before they close.  I have never heard of 
that and had many a cat spayed, in heat, and pregnant as well
   
  t

wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Hey guys,

Nilla Belle was brought home yesterday after her spay
Thursday. They wanted to keep her overnight because
she bled a lot because she was in heat and they said
they had to "wrap" her. I am not sure what all this
means, but now I notice she's peeing blood. She's
been in the house and we didn't let her out in time
and she peed on the tile. Yesterday it was medium
reddish yellow, but I just got up and noticed that she
peed twice more while we were sleeping and one of the
pees was the color of the other yesterday, but the
other was pretty red. The vet doesn't open for
another hour and a half, so I have to wait to call. 
If anyone is up out there (I am betting Nina isn't as
it's 4:30 am her time), do you know what could be
causing this? Can she pop a stitch and it bleed into
her bladder? That doesn't sound right. Maybe she has
had a UTI and we didn't know it? 

Any advice is appreciated,
Thanks,
Wendy

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Re: [feline-cancer] some good news

 
no, I think I just recognized the name from your emails! :)
Michelle
 
In a message dated 12/16/2006 9:57:36 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Dr Heidi  Ward in Sarasota Florida.

Re: Switching from interferon alpha to omega

 
I've never heard of someone being able to tell about a resistance. But I do  
not think it would ever be a problem to switch from alpha to omega.  They  are 
not the same substance.
Michelle
 
In a message dated 12/16/2006 10:24:53 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Hi  Folks,

Do any of you know if it is possible to switch from interferon  alpha to
Virbagen interferon omega if/when a cat becomes resistant to the  interferon
alpha? My thinking on this is to start my FeLV+ kitty Shane on  the alpha now
since it is readily available and affordable and if at some  point it stops
working for him, to look into importing the omega.  (Everything on his CBC is
presently within normal range.) Would that work,  or when they become
resistant to the alpha does that cross over to the  omega? Anybody know? The
other hope is that by the time that happens, maybe  the Omega will be
licensed for use in the USA. Also, how can you tell that  a cat has developed
a resistance to the interferon alpha, just by clinical  signs or is there a
specific test?

Thanks in advance for your  help!

Sue and Shane
Jerome, AZ

OT but please sign this petition about a horrific case we have going in Georgia



Please crosspost far and wide as well.
   
  thanks,
  tonya
   
  
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 03:53:43 -0500 (EST)

In case you haven't heard, there is a cruelty case currently going on in Fulton 
county (Atlanta, GA) for two teenagers that bound a puppy, set it on fire, and 
when it didn't die, they baked it alive in the oven. This case is not getting 
much attention from the media here and the public is worried that the teens 
will not get the deserved punishment. Please sign the petition to support this 
cause:

www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/428928473  

Below is more information about the case
Thank you,
Jenny 

Forwarded message: 
Hi all,

This report came from someone in the animal rescue community. Please be aware 
that although this news contains graphic information, your support is needed in 
order to make a difference. John and I are going to court tomorrow. Please go 
if you can.

Here is the forwarded piece from the rescuer:

"I confess that I thought the courtroom where 2 teenagers cooked the puppy 
alive would be fully packed.
I was shocked to find only a handful of animal lovers present Monday am.


The AJC reporter said not much media attention would be given the case unless 
people came alive and called the Metro AJC, the TV stations, CNN, 5, 11, and 2. 
Call these stations and ask them to report on this story. Find the numbers in 
the book.


The suspects were laughing, smirking, and yawning and mouthing obscenities to 
one of the puppy's supporters.

This poor puppy was painted, bound. They then tried to set him on fire (which 
didn't work), so they took a rack out of the oven so they could fit this poor 
puppy inside.

Scratch marks were found inside the oven from the pup trying to escape the 
unimaginable torture.


NOTHING CAN BE DONE NOW FOR THIS TORUTURED PUPPY...OR CAN IT?
IF YOU HAVE EVER DONE ANYTHING THAT HAS MEANT SOMETHING TO YOU, DO THIS. COME 
TO THE FULTON COUNTY COURTHOUSE ANY DAY THIS WEEK.
136 PRYOR STREET, ATLANTA, GA 30303


85 south to MLK, Exit 248 A and then stay in left turn lane. Take a left on 
Pryor and park as close as you can.


THIS PUPPY'S LIFE IS OVER. THE CASE IS NOT. THE OUTCOME DEPENDS ON YOU.
IF YOU CANNOT ATTEND CALL THE MEDIA AND EVERYONE YOU KNOW."
Date: 13 Dec 2006 05:55:08 -0800
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Action Alert from Caitriona Matthews
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Caitriona Matthews has sent you an important action alert - read below for more 
info, and take action at: http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/428928473

Dear students,

I have just read and signed the petition: "Puppy bound, set on fire, baked to 
death in oven"

Please take a moment to read about this important issue, and join me in signing 
the petition. It takes just 30 seconds, but can truly make a difference. Please 
sign here:

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Thanks!




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Re: OT: To Nina and other dog experts: Nilla Belle peeing blood after spay

Well, the vet said that it isn't uncommon for this to
happen.  She said she is 90% sure a round of
Cephalexin should do the trick, so I went and picked
some up this morning (in the middle of our garage
sale).  She said if it didn't, to bring her in Monday.
 Other than peeing blood, Nilla Belle is doing great. 
You wouldn't know she was ill other than the blood.

:)
Wendy
 
--- catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I would call the vet this morning before they close.
>  I have never heard of that and had many a cat
> spayed, in heat, and pregnant as well
>
>   t
> 
> wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   Hey guys,
> 
> Nilla Belle was brought home yesterday after her
> spay
> Thursday. They wanted to keep her overnight because
> she bled a lot because she was in heat and they said
> they had to "wrap" her. I am not sure what all this
> means, but now I notice she's peeing blood. She's
> been in the house and we didn't let her out in time
> and she peed on the tile. Yesterday it was medium
> reddish yellow, but I just got up and noticed that
> she
> peed twice more while we were sleeping and one of
> the
> pees was the color of the other yesterday, but the
> other was pretty red. The vet doesn't open for
> another hour and a half, so I have to wait to call. 
> If anyone is up out there (I am betting Nina isn't
> as
> it's 4:30 am her time), do you know what could be
> causing this? Can she pop a stitch and it bleed into
> her bladder? That doesn't sound right. Maybe she has
> had a UTI and we didn't know it? 
> 
> Any advice is appreciated,
> Thanks,
> Wendy
> 
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Re: Jimi Too Cool problem

Well, he's his own man, at least if that is the way he chooses to go, he had
the free will and peace of choosing it. Really, I know it hurts, but you
couldn't possibly give him anything more than the freedom to choose. Animals
DO go off to die, but on the other hand, another member here (I think it was
this group) had the same thing happen a couple of months ago, and her cat
was found and didn't die (he just wanted some outside time really bad). The
only other alternative is to start digging out the deck, and that will be
stressful and scary for him. I would try enticing him out with tuna and
other tasty cat treats, if you haven't tried it already.

Phaewryn

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Re: Prayers needed for Bandy

Sending happy thoughts and well wishes to Bandy... his potassium levels were
not low either, right? What about a baby aspirin, just in case it's blood
clot related? Just trying to think of anything that can lead to rear leg
issues...

And, of course, you can always syringe feed if he's being stubborn.

Phaewryn

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Re: Prayers needed for Bandy

2006-12-16 Thread Barb Moermond

I don't know what to tell you Kerry except that we're all sending GLOW your 
way, for both you and Bandy.
 
Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito

"My cat the clown:  paying no mind to whom he should impress.  Merely living 
his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile." 
   - Anonymous

- Original Message 
From: Kerry Roach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 5:37:47 AM
Subject: Prayers needed for Bandy

Hi everyone,
  My Bandy has been very sick this week..First, we are still fighting the 
ringworm, but it is our least worry for now..He starting getting limp in one 
rear leg as he did back in the summer..So I took him in on Tues. and he 
received basically same treatment as in the summer...He got some dex, adequan, 
B vit inj, and torbutrol for pain..His temp was 103.5 which is the highest it 
has been since Aug..he did seem to respond as he came home, ate ok and 
drank...climbed up on his tower and would purr and talk to me..Then on Fri. or 
really late Thurs night, he wouldn't eat at all or move about much..So I took 
him back to the doctor Fri afternoon...His temp was still around 103 which 
could explain the bad appetite, but I didn't know what else to do and still 
don't...
  So the vet tech called the Doctor since she is off on Fri..we ran a complete 
blood chem and profile and thyroid...He hasn't had all that since June so we 
were due...It didn't help
 us much either...Surprising enough his PCV was 37.5 which is great...the WBC 
was low normal...some other blood values grans and monocytes were off which I 
don't know what all that means..his platlets were very low...Anyone know 
anything about that
  I'm really scared for him now...He doesn't seem to have URI or UTI and no 
mouth ulcers..no stomach trouble either..He did have a loose stool couple of 
times the other day. Probably from all the meds on Tues..
  I can't get him to eat...I have tried everything...He will eat a few bites at 
 a time and won't drink any broth either..I don't know what else to 
try...Please let me know what you all think.
  He also got 250cc subq fluids..today and 2 different antibiotic injections 
along with 5mg pred which we are going on for a week..and if he won't eat I am 
to up it to 10mg..also oxazepam for appetite stimulant...
  Please keep him in your prayers..
  I hope all your kitties
 are doing well...we send head butts to all..
  Kerry, Bandy and Inky
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Re: To Nina and other dog experts: Nilla Belle peeing blood after spay

Eee Gads! Shame on your vet, I say, he COULD have sent her home and told you 
"sorry,
the complications are too high while she is in heat, please reschedule after 
she is
out of heat". JMO. I wonder if it is actually blood in the pee, or if she's 
bleeding
from her vagina, and it's just mixing in with the pee as it passes through the 
vulva.
There shouldn't be any reason for there to be blood in the urine after a spay, 
the
bladder is not involved with the spay surgery. The only way there would be 
blood in
the urine caused by a spay is if the vet accidentally lacerated the bladder, 
and had
to repair it, and the repair is not holding.

Phaewryn

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Re: Jimi Too Cool problem

2006-12-16 Thread Barb Moermond

GLOW to you and Jimi.  I think what others have said about seeking solitude and 
cool is pertinent.  My Ninja chose several "sick" places where she didn't stay 
when feeling well, they were dark places I couldn't get to.  She sought them 
out while we were waiting for the time the vet could come over to help her to 
the Bridge.
 
Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito

"My cat the clown:  paying no mind to whom he should impress.  Merely living 
his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile." 
   - Anonymous

- Original Message 
From: anne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 2:17:16 AM
Subject: Jimi Too Cool problem



 
 


Hi everyone,

   My Jimi Too Cool, 10 
year old black domestic shorthair with feline leukemia, is in his last stage of 
life, I am sure.  He has been slowly going downhill.  He is just bones 
with fur and won't eat.  His pain is controlled with depo-medrol and 
tramadol and he is not in distress, pain is under control, but he mostly just 
sleeps a lot.  Well, tonight he made a break for it and went outside and 
won't come in and it is at freezing temp now.  32 degrees, I believe.  
No wind, though.  I have cat-fence-in so he is not straying but I can't 
reach him.  Every time I go out to try and bring him in, he runs for cover 
under the deck.  

 

   Have any of you run into 
this problem?  I have heard that cats and dogs like to go outside to 
die.  Could that be it, I wonder?  I am so worried about him as he is 
so skinny and he is not used to this cold weather.  He can come in, though, 
if he would like, as I put the cat door back into the window, just for him, 
although I had it stowed for the cold weather until spring.  I am trying to 
relax because I know he could come in if he wanted to so he must not mind it 
outside.  Sigh

 

   Thanks, 
everyone.

 

Anne and Jimi Too Cool and Simms and 
Sophie in MI





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Re: OT: To Nina and other dog experts: Nilla Belle peeing blood after spay

 
You're a good mommy, Wendy.  I hope so much this will take care of  it.  
Please kiss that sweet baby for me and tell her Auntie Beth love her  very much.
 
elizabeth
 
In a message dated 12/16/2006 11:05:28 AM Central Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Well,  the vet said that it isn't uncommon for this to
happen.  She said she  is 90% sure a round of
Cephalexin should do the trick, so I went and  picked
some up this morning (in the middle of our garage
sale).   She said if it didn't, to bring her in Monday.
Other than peeing blood,  Nilla Belle is doing great. 
You wouldn't know she was ill other than the  blood.

:)
Wendy

Re: OT: To Nina and other dog experts: Nilla Belle peeing blood after spay


Hi Sweetie,

You've probably brought Nilla in to the vet by now.  I am concerned.  I 
don't like that the blood in her urine seems to be getting more 
concentrated, not less.  The fact that she was in heat during her spay 
does cause further complications. 

I did a quick Google and did come up with a site that mentioned blood in 
the urine after spay: "*The usual cause is manipulation of the urinary 
bladder (which is directly adjacent to the uterus) during the surgical 
procedure. Under normal conditions these symptoms disappear within a few 
days."


*She's a strong healthy girl, I'm praying they are able to figure out 
what's going on and let her come home with you, (I wouldn't leave her 
there unless they have round the clock care). 


Please let us know as soon as you can.  You're in my prayers and thoughts,
Nina

wendy wrote:

Hey guys,

Nilla Belle was brought home yesterday after her spay
Thursday.  They wanted to keep her overnight because
she bled a lot because she was in heat and they said
they had to "wrap" her.  I am not sure what all this
means, but now I notice she's peeing blood.  She's
been in the house and we didn't let her out in time
and she peed on the tile.  Yesterday it was medium
reddish yellow, but I just got up and noticed that she
peed twice more while we were sleeping and one of the
pees was the color of the other yesterday, but the
other was pretty red.  The vet doesn't open for
another hour and a half, so I have to wait to call. 
If anyone is up out there (I am betting Nina isn't as

it's 4:30 am her time), do you know what could be
causing this?  Can she pop a stitch and it bleed into
her bladder?  That doesn't sound right.  Maybe she has
had a UTI and we didn't know it?  


Any advice is appreciated,
Thanks,
Wendy

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Re: OT but please sign this petition about a horrific case we have going in G...

 
Duly signed..and heart broken.  Whether it is fair or not - I  cannot help 
but wonder what kind of parenting influences children to have  such a 
disreguard 
for life and suffering.  I suppose I don't really have a  right to question 
since I don't have human children - but I  cannot help but wonder.  After all - 
I was a child too at one  time.  There are serial killers who started out 
this way.  
 
Thank you for passing this along - and if you hear anything more about this  
case, please keep us posted.
 
elizabeth
 
 
In a message dated 12/16/2006 10:35:01 AM Central Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:




Please crosspost far and wide as well.
 
thanks,
tonya
 

Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 03:53:43 -0500 (EST)

In case you  haven't heard, there is a cruelty case currently going on in 
Fulton county  (Atlanta, GA) for two teenagers that bound a puppy, set it on 
fire, and when  it didn't die, they baked it alive in the oven. This case is 
not 
getting  much attention from the media here and the public is worried that the 
teens  will not get the deserved punishment. Please sign the petition to 
support  this cause:

_www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/428928473_ 
(http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/428928473)   

Below is more information about the case
Thank  you,
Jenny 

Forwarded message: 
Hi all,

This report came  from someone in the animal rescue community. Please be 
aware that although  this news contains graphic information, your support is 
needed in order to  make a difference. John and I are going to court tomorrow. 
Please go if you  can.

Here is the forwarded piece from the rescuer:

"I confess  that I thought the courtroom where 2 teenagers cooked the puppy 
alive would  be fully packed.
I was shocked to find only a handful of animal lovers  present Monday am.


The AJC reporter said not much media attention  would be given the case 
unless people came alive and called the Metro AJC,  the TV stations, CNN, 5, 
11, 
and 2. Call these stations and ask them to  report on this story. Find the 
numbers in the book.


The suspects  were laughing, smirking, and yawning and mouthing obscenities 
to one of the  puppy's supporters.

This poor puppy was painted, bound. They then  tried to set him on fire 
(which didn't work), so they took a rack out of the  oven so they could fit 
this 
poor puppy inside.

Scratch marks were  found inside the oven from the pup trying to escape the 
unimaginable  torture.


NOTHING CAN BE DONE NOW FOR THIS TORUTURED PUPPY...OR  CAN IT?
IF YOU HAVE EVER DONE ANYTHING THAT HAS MEANT SOMETHING TO YOU,  DO THIS. 
COME TO THE FULTON COUNTY COURTHOUSE ANY DAY THIS WEEK.
136  PRYOR STREET, ATLANTA, GA 30303


85 south to MLK, Exit 248 A and  then stay in left turn lane. Take a left on 
Pryor and park as close as you  can.


THIS PUPPY'S LIFE IS OVER. THE CASE IS NOT. THE OUTCOME  DEPENDS ON YOU.
IF YOU CANNOT ATTEND CALL THE MEDIA AND EVERYONE YOU  KNOW."
Date: 13 Dec 2006 05:55:08 -0800
To:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Action Alert from Caitriona  Matthews
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Caitriona Matthews has sent you an  important action alert - read below for 
more info, and take action at:  
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/428928473

Dear  students,

I have just read and signed the petition: "Puppy bound, set  on fire, baked 
to death in oven"

Please take a moment to read about  this important issue, and join me in 
signing the petition. It takes just 30  seconds, but can truly make a 
difference. 
Please sign  here:

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/428928473

Thanks!




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with 
the causes you  care about, take action to make the world a better place, and 
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Re: Jimi Too Cool problem

 
I just want to add my voice to Diane R.'s.  My heart is with you  Anne.
 
elizabeth
 
In a message dated 12/16/2006 9:26:00 AM Central Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Anne, I'm so sorry you have this added worry at a time like  this.  But yes, 
you're giving him a choice, and if he wants to come back  in he will.  If you 
know he's still alive, you could go out from time to  time and just sit and 
talk to him -- tell him his story, tell him what he  means to you.  Do this 
even 
if you can't see him just then.  This  will help both of you.  He'll know 
you're caring for him  without trying to coerce him, and you will be together 
in 
every way  except physically.  Hugs to you both.
 
Diane R.

Re: OT: To Nina and other dog experts: Nilla Belle peeing blood after spay

Maybe it isn't "uncommon" for this to happen after /your/ vet operates, 
but I've never experienced or heard of it being something not to be 
concerned about.  I'm with Jen, she should have told you it's better to 
wait until Nilla was out of her heat cycle.  Did you tell her the blood 
was getting more concentrated?  I'm glad Nilla is not acting like she's 
in distress or pain, but make sure you keep her quiet for her own good.  
Keep a close eye on the situation and make sure you have someplace to 
take her if things get worse before Monday.


I'm still concerned.  Please let us know how she's doing,
Nina

wendy wrote:

Well, the vet said that it isn't uncommon for this to
happen.  She said she is 90% sure a round of
Cephalexin should do the trick, so I went and picked
some up this morning (in the middle of our garage
sale).  She said if it didn't, to bring her in Monday.
 Other than peeing blood, Nilla Belle is doing great. 
You wouldn't know she was ill other than the blood.


:)
Wendy
 
--- catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


  

I would call the vet this morning before they close.
 I have never heard of that and had many a cat
spayed, in heat, and pregnant as well
   
  t


wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Hey guys,

Nilla Belle was brought home yesterday after her
spay
Thursday. They wanted to keep her overnight because
she bled a lot because she was in heat and they said
they had to "wrap" her. I am not sure what all this
means, but now I notice she's peeing blood. She's
been in the house and we didn't let her out in time
and she peed on the tile. Yesterday it was medium
reddish yellow, but I just got up and noticed that
she
peed twice more while we were sleeping and one of
the
pees was the color of the other yesterday, but the
other was pretty red. The vet doesn't open for
another hour and a half, so I have to wait to call. 
If anyone is up out there (I am betting Nina isn't

as
it's 4:30 am her time), do you know what could be
causing this? Can she pop a stitch and it bleed into
her bladder? That doesn't sound right. Maybe she has
had a UTI and we didn't know it? 


Any advice is appreciated,
Thanks,
Wendy

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Re: Jimi Too Cool problem

2006-12-16 Thread Gloria B. Lane

Same here - sending prayers for Jimi Too Cool...
  - Original Message - 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 11:50 AM
  Subject: Re: Jimi Too Cool problem

  I just want to add my voice to Diane R.'s.  My heart is with you Anne.

  elizabeth

  In a message dated 12/16/2006 9:26:00 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL 
PROTECTED] writes:
Anne, I'm so sorry you have this added worry at a time like this.  But yes, 
you're giving him a choice, and if he wants to come back in he will.  If you 
know he's still alive, you could go out from time to time and just sit and talk 
to him -- tell him his story, tell him what he means to you.  Do this even if 
you can't see him just then.  This will help both of you.  He'll know you're 
caring for him without trying to coerce him, and you will be together in every 
way except physically.  Hugs to you both.

Diane R.

Re: OT: To Nina and other dog experts: Nilla Belle peeing blood after spay

Thanks Nina,

That's exactly what the vet tech told me when I came
in.  She said they have to express the bladder and
that can sometimes irritate the bladder.  She also
mentioned nicking the bladder could be a cause, but
didn't think that was the reason.  I hope she isn't
going to get anemic from losing blood.  Let's hope
this clears up soon!

:)
Wendy

--- Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi Sweetie,
> 
> You've probably brought Nilla in to the vet by now. 
> I am concerned.  I 
> don't like that the blood in her urine seems to be
> getting more 
> concentrated, not less.  The fact that she was in
> heat during her spay 
> does cause further complications. 
> 
> I did a quick Google and did come up with a site
> that mentioned blood in 
> the urine after spay: "*The usual cause is
> manipulation of the urinary 
> bladder (which is directly adjacent to the uterus)
> during the surgical 
> procedure. Under normal conditions these symptoms
> disappear within a few 
> days."
> 
> *She's a strong healthy girl, I'm praying they are
> able to figure out 
> what's going on and let her come home with you, (I
> wouldn't leave her 
> there unless they have round the clock care). 
> 
> Please let us know as soon as you can.  You're in my
> prayers and thoughts,
> Nina
> 
> wendy wrote:
> > Hey guys,
> >
> > Nilla Belle was brought home yesterday after her
> spay
> > Thursday.  They wanted to keep her overnight
> because
> > she bled a lot because she was in heat and they
> said
> > they had to "wrap" her.  I am not sure what all
> this
> > means, but now I notice she's peeing blood.  She's
> > been in the house and we didn't let her out in
> time
> > and she peed on the tile.  Yesterday it was medium
> > reddish yellow, but I just got up and noticed that
> she
> > peed twice more while we were sleeping and one of
> the
> > pees was the color of the other yesterday, but the
> > other was pretty red.  The vet doesn't open for
> > another hour and a half, so I have to wait to
> call. 
> > If anyone is up out there (I am betting Nina isn't
> as
> > it's 4:30 am her time), do you know what could be
> > causing this?  Can she pop a stitch and it bleed
> into
> > her bladder?  That doesn't sound right.  Maybe she
> has
> > had a UTI and we didn't know it?  
> >
> > Any advice is appreciated,
> > Thanks,
> > Wendy
> >
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Re: Jimi Too Cool problem

Oh my dear, how very distressing for you.  You might be able to take 
some comfort in the fact that you seem to be the only one distressed 
here.  I'm so glad Jimi isn't able to escape the yard and has the choice 
about coming back inside.  I'd probably be doing just what Diane 
suggests...  Getting bundled up and sitting in the cold talking and 
comforting to the spot I suspect him to be under the deck.  Since this 
was written last night, I'm hoping Jimi is back inside by now.


I think Jenn was talking about me when she mentioned "someone on the 
list" going through this a couple of months ago.  Do you remember all 
that with Spencer?  I was beside myself with worry when Spence went 
missing.  He was so sick and weak, I was sure he went off to die without 
me.  I searched, cried and prayed, then I searched, cried and prayed 
some more.  I called two different ACs that both told me he was in 
transition.  Finally I made peace with his decision and took some 
comfort in the fact that he had a choice about how he'd pass.  You could 
have knocked me over with a feather when he showed back up. 

Hugs to you, I can imagine what you're going through.  Keep sending him 
love and thanks, he'll hear you,

Nina

anne wrote:

Hi everyone,
   My Jimi Too Cool, 10 year old black domestic shorthair with feline 
leukemia, is in his last stage of life, I am sure.  He has been slowly 
going downhill.  He is just bones with fur and won't eat.  His pain is 
controlled with depo-medrol and tramadol and he is not in distress, 
pain is under control, but he mostly just sleeps a lot.  Well, tonight 
he made a break for it and went outside and won't come in and it is at 
freezing temp now.  32 degrees, I believe.  No wind, though.  I have 
cat-fence-in so he is not straying but I can't reach him.  Every time 
I go out to try and bring him in, he runs for cover under the deck. 
 
   Have any of you run into this problem?  I have heard that cats and 
dogs like to go outside to die.  Could that be it, I wonder?  I am so 
worried about him as he is so skinny and he is not used to this cold 
weather.  He can come in, though, if he would like, as I put the cat 
door back into the window, just for him, although I had it stowed for 
the cold weather until spring.  I am trying to relax because I know he 
could come in if he wanted to so he must not mind it outside.  Sigh
 
   Thanks, everyone.
 
Anne and Jimi Too Cool and Simms and Sophie in MI

Re: Prayers needed for Bandy


Dearest Kerry,
You and Bandy have been through so much together.  All my prayers are 
with you that he will once again bounce back.  I don't have any 
suggestions for treatment for you, it sounds like he's on so much 
already.  Did you try the IR?  I have been hesitant to use it too, but 
just maybe... 
Much love to you, I'm with you in spirit,

Nina


Kerry Roach wrote:

Hi everyone,
My Bandy has been very sick this week..First, we are still fighting 
the ringworm, but it is our least worry for now..He starting getting 
limp in one rear leg as he did back in the summer..So I took him in on 
Tues. and he received basically same treatment as in the summer...He 
got some dex, adequan, B vit inj, and torbutrol for pain..His temp was 
103.5 which is the highest it has been since Aug..he did seem to 
respond as he came home, ate ok and drank...climbed up on his tower 
and would purr and talk to me..Then on Fri. or really late Thurs 
night, he wouldn't eat at all or move about much..So I took him back 
to the doctor Fri afternoon...His temp was still around 103 which 
could explain the bad appetite, but I didn't know what else to do and 
still don't...
So the vet tech called the Doctor since she is off on Fri..we ran a 
complete blood chem and profile and thyroid...He hasn't had all that 
since June so we were due...It didn't help us much either...Surprising 
enough his PCV was 37.5 which is great...the WBC was low normal...some 
other blood values grans and monocytes were off which I don't know 
what all that means..his platlets were very low...Anyone know anything 
about that
I'm really scared for him now...He doesn't seem to have URI or UTI and 
no mouth ulcers..no stomach trouble either..He did have a loose stool 
couple of times the other day. Probably from all the meds on Tues..
I can't get him to eat...I have tried everything...He will eat a few 
bites at  a time and won't drink any broth either..I don't know what 
else to try...Please let me know what you all think.
He also got 250cc subq fluids..today and 2 different antibiotic 
injections along with 5mg pred which we are going on for a week..and 
if he won't eat I am to up it to 10mg..also oxazepam for appetite 
stimulant...

Please keep him in your prayers..
I hope all your kitties are doing well...we send head butts to all..
Kerry, Bandy and Inky

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Re: Switching from interferon alpha to omega


Hi Susan,
I asked my Internist about possible ramifications of using Interferon 
alpha and omega.  She said there weren't any.  As Michelle says, they 
are two different things.  As far as the resistance factor to the alpha, 
I assume it just stops helping.  I know of no test that would confirm a 
resistance.

Nina

Susan Tillman wrote:

Hi Folks,

Do any of you know if it is possible to switch from interferon alpha to
Virbagen interferon omega if/when a cat becomes resistant to the interferon
alpha? My thinking on this is to start my FeLV+ kitty Shane on the alpha now
since it is readily available and affordable and if at some point it stops
working for him, to look into importing the omega. (Everything on his CBC is
presently within normal range.) Would that work, or when they become
resistant to the alpha does that cross over to the omega? Anybody know? The
other hope is that by the time that happens, maybe the Omega will be
licensed for use in the USA. Also, how can you tell that a cat has developed
a resistance to the interferon alpha, just by clinical signs or is there a
specific test?

Thanks in advance for your help!

Sue and Shane
Jerome, AZ

Re: OT: cancer treatment - flax seed oil

I too wish Hideyo would lean on us more.  She's going through a waking 
nightmare with her fur kids.  Her energy and resources are being 
stretched to the breaking point.  I don't know how you do it Hideyo.  
You're one strong, determined, loving lady.  You are appreciated and you 
are cared about.  Prayers to you and all those you care for.


I've been adding flax seed oil, (along with Glu/Chond and MSM), to my 
GSD's food since he was diagnosed with degenerative spinal myopathy.  
I've always used it at the fist sign of arthritis and it really helps 
relieve symptoms of inflammation. 
Just adding my testimony!

Nina

Mari Kolbe wrote:

Hideyo:
 
My prayers to you and your furchildren.  I know how hard and stressful 
caring for an ill furchild can be and when you have several with 
chronic or serious conditions, it can stretch you to the breaking 
point.  Please lean on the group for support.
 
Below is an excerpt from an article I saved.  The account I have the 
link saved in is having server problems so I can't access it, but 
possibly you could do a google search on Paul Stitt and his research 
would come up.  /mari 
 
/A groundswell of nutrition conscious veterinarians are beginning to 
recommend to their clients that they supplement their animals diet 
with a daily dose of flaxseed oil, poured right over the food. The 
vets are finding remarkable results in clearing up skin conditions, 
relieving arthritic and inflammatory pain, as well as improved over 
all pet health. Mr. Paul Stitt, while addressing a scientific 
conference in North Dakota reported that flax increased bone strength 
as well as improved the silkiness and sheen of animals fur.  Numerous 
studies conducted on animals and humans show that flax has powerful 
anti-tumor properties and may reduce tumor size by 50%.

/
 
On 12/11/06, *Hideyo Yamamoto* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> wrote:


Hi, I am finding out that my 7 year old doggy, JoJo may have a
cancer – he has tumors in his gums and have bloody urine – and
x-ray shows mass all over his body – he is not acting sick – he
runs around and eats very well – if you guys have any suggestions
on cancer treatment (especially alternative treatment), please
email me with any information – we are sending out cytology to
find out more about it.

 


Also, my baby kitty, Lizzy might be very sick and need all the
prayers I can get (of course, please also pray for my Ghanid with
severe vestibular disorder and with Ayumi with unknown cause of
non-regenerative anemia – again thank you all for your support -




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Re: OT: cancer treatment

From all I've researched, fish oil is better for cats.  I use wild 
salmon oil.

Nina

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I gave flax seed oil to our dog Fern, who had a sarcoma, every day, 
along with essiac tea, a bunch of different herbs, and an experimental 
drug, and she lived 18 months when her prognosis with chemo (which we 
did not do) was 2-6 months. I am not saying this was due to the flax 
oil-- I think it was due to the combination of things and possibly 
mostly to the experimental drug-- but I would definitely give flax oil 
to a dog with cancer again. I am not sure if cats can process it 
well-- I might do fish oil for cats.

Michelle

Re: OT: cancer treatment

Check the omegas % listed on the cod liver oil.  I can go and check the 
salmon and flax oil omegas for you if you like to compare them.  You 
have to read labels even among the different products of flax seed oil 
out there, they vary.

Nina

Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn wrote:
I have cod liver oil here already, it says flaxseed or fish oil... is 
that the same as cod liver oil? I did try it for Mythic's skin issues, 
it did NOT help (but then, nothing has so far).


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Re: OT: cancer treatment - flax seed oil

 
Yes --- love, hugs and white light to Hideyo.  Don't you just wish  sometimes 
that we could all meet in the same room and encourage each  other?  This 
forum is that way in a lot of ways.  I've always been a  terribly independent 
cuss 
- but I have come to love and depend on all of you. 
 
Going to check into the flaxseed oil for all of us and me too.
 
Love you all so much,
elizabeth, phelix, antonio, tiffany, lexie, shakiti, tori, othello, and  mama 
kitty.
 
In a message dated 12/16/2006 12:30:12 PM Central Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I too  wish Hideyo would lean on us more.  She's going through a waking  
nightmare with her fur kids.  Her energy and resources are being  stretched to 
the 
breaking point.  I don't know how you do it  Hideyo.  You're one strong, 
determined, loving lady.  You are  appreciated and you are cared about.  
Prayers 
to you and all those you  care for.

I've been adding flax seed oil, (along with Glu/Chond and  MSM), to my GSD's 
food since he was diagnosed with degenerative spinal  myopathy.  I've always 
used it at the fist sign of arthritis and it  really helps relieve symptoms of 
inflammation.  
Just adding my  testimony!
Nina

Mari Kolbe wrote:  
Hideyo:
 
My prayers to you and your furchildren.  I know how hard and  stressful 
caring for an ill furchild can be and when you have several with  chronic or 
serious conditions, it can stretch you to the breaking  point.  Please lean on 
the 
group for support. 
 
Below is an excerpt from an article I saved.  The account I have  the link 
saved in is having server problems so I can't access it, but  possibly you 
could 
do a google search on Paul Stitt and his research would  come up.  /mari  
 
A groundswell of nutrition conscious veterinarians are  beginning to 
recommend to their clients that they supplement their animals  diet with a 
daily dose 
of flaxseed oil, poured right over the food. The vets  are finding remarkable 
results in clearing up skin conditions, relieving  arthritic and inflammatory 
pain, as well as improved over all pet health.  Mr. Paul Stitt, while 
addressing a scientific conference in North Dakota  reported that flax 
increased bone 
strength as well as improved the silkiness  and sheen of animals fur.  
Numerous studies conducted on animals and  humans show that flax has powerful 
anti-tumor properties and may reduce  tumor size by 50%. 


On 12/11/06, Hideyo  Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
(mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) >  wrote:  
 
 
Hi, I am finding out that my 7  year old doggy, JoJo may have a cancer – he 
has tumors in his gums and  have bloody urine – and x-ray shows mass all over 
his body – he is not  acting sick – he runs around and eats very well – if you 
guys have any  suggestions on cancer treatment (especially alternative 
treatment), please  email me with any information – we are sending out cytology 
to 
find out  more about it.  
Also, my baby kitty, Lizzy  might be very sick and need all the prayers I can 
get (of course, please  also pray for my Ghanid with severe vestibular 
disorder and with Ayumi  with unknown cause of non-regenerative anemia – again 
thank 
you all for  your support - 






-- 
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Until there are none, adopt  one.
SpiritCat and the Mooseheart Mumpkees
of southeastern Texas
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Re: Prayers needed for Bandy

2006-12-16 Thread Kerry Roach

Hi everyone,
  Thanks so much for your prayers.  We just got back from the vet again..His 
temp was 105.5 Sat. So they called the vet and we gave him 2cc of dex along 
with another polyflex and baytril injection..He got some metronidazole as he 
has a loose stool...I never could get him to eat on Fri so I did force some a/d 
with a syringe down him..He seems to hurt all over again.  He also got another 
250cc subq fluids..
  He did sit up for the ride home, but wasn't interested in anything when we 
got home really..He did nibble on a few pieces for dry food and a couple of 
bits of can.  I am hoping all the dex will kick in really soon to get the temp 
down and he will eat..
  Nina, where did you buy the oli-vet, natural antibiotic?  I haven't had time 
to check the 2 places I use for supps, but would appreciate the info.
  Michelle,  No we haven't done the IR, but am considering it Monday if the 
temp will go down..did it make Lucy have a rise in temp?  I know it can so we 
would really need Bandy's temp to be down for it..I agree with you...I should 
try it...Also, what dosage?  Do you think 
  .25cc would be ok first time then repeat how often?  I just haven't had time 
to go look back to see what you told me the last time..So if you could let me 
know again, I would really appreciate it.. Do you give it 3 or 4 times with a 
few days in between?
  Also, any other thoughts...
  We will keep you posted..
  Thanks again.
  Kerry, Bandy and Inky

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Re: Prayers needed for Bandy

 
Love, prayers, and healing to you all.
 
elizabeth
 
In a message dated 12/16/2006 12:51:08 PM Central Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Hi everyone,
Thanks so much for your prayers.  We just got back from the vet  again..His 
temp was 105.5 Sat. So they called the vet and we gave him 2cc of  dex along 
with another polyflex and baytril injection..He got some  metronidazole as he 
has a loose stool...I never could get him to eat on Fri so  I did force some 
a/d 
with a syringe down him..He seems to hurt all over  again.  He also got 
another 250cc subq fluids..
He did sit up for the ride home, but wasn't interested in anything when  we 
got home really..He did nibble on a few pieces for dry food and a couple of  
bits of can.  I am hoping all the dex will kick in really soon to get the  temp 
down and he will eat..
Nina, where did you buy the oli-vet, natural antibiotic?  I haven't  had time 
to check the 2 places I use for supps, but would appreciate the  info.
Michelle,  No we haven't done the IR, but am considering it Monday  if the 
temp will go down..did it make Lucy have a rise in temp?  I know  it can so we 
would really need Bandy's temp to be down for it..I agree with  you...I should 
try it...Also, what dosage?  Do you think 
.25cc would be ok first time then repeat how often?  I just haven't  had time 
to go look back to see what you told me the last time..So if you  could let 
me know again, I would really appreciate it.. Do you give it 3 or 4  times with 
a few days in between?
Also, any other thoughts...
We will keep you posted..
Thanks again.
Kerry, Bandy and Inky

Re: Interferon Info

2006-12-16 Thread Del H. Daniels

Thank you everyone for the responses.  Kitty was not tested further than the 
snap (yet), which was done at 9 months old and this week, twelve+ months. 
My thoughts too, possibly a false reading ... but which time and which 
disease we don't know.  She is a foster and I want to confirm negativity 
before sending her for adoption.  IFA is only for Felv and Western Blot for 
FIV? ... $$ but necessary, don't you think?  I will check out the website 
you gave me.
I presently have three other healthy FIV+, my Effie, FeLV+ died last year 
... oh, and a (negative) stomatitis kitty, plus a herpes kitty, all on IFN. 
I mix my own supply so have lots and use it readily for URIs as well.


- Original Message - 
From: "Laura Bond" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 11:30 PM
Subject: Re: Interferon


In response to Del's question about interferon: My late Ziggy was on 
interferon treatment for most of his life ( about 1.5 years).  He took 1 
cc -which contained 30 units of interferon once a day for 7 days and then 
he was off of it for 7 days. However, the recent reading I have been doing 
suggests that kitty take interferon every day with no time off because it 
is an anti-viral and if it is stopped for any period of time kitty will 
get immune to it, much like if you stopped taking antibiotics early and 
then restarted them.  Anyways, my suggestion is to keep kitty on the 
interferon treatment for another 3-6 months and get kitty retested to make 
sure it wasn't a false negative.  As far as I know, kitty doesn't need 
tapered off interferon.  I found a very useful site on interferon that 
will maybe be of some help. 
.http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pointe/9352/interferon.html


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Re: Jimi Too Cool problem

2006-12-16 Thread anne

Dear Marylyn, Leah, Michelle, Tonya, Diane R., Phaewryn, Barb, Elizabeth and 
Gloria,
Thank you from the bottom of my heart for your responses.  Jimi came in at 
the crack of dawn and disappeared somewhere but when I woke up a few hours 
later, he was in bed with me, sleeping.  That was nice to see as he has shun my 
bed recently for my isolated areas.  He is gone again now but at least I know 
he is OK and not frozen solid.  

   Marylyn, your post helped a lot.  I am glad to read that maybe they like the 
coolness.  He does have some areas he could curl up in, an old dog house with 
fleece covers in it and I just put a carpet sample under the deck, too, thanks 
for the suggestion.  In case he gets out again.  

   Leah, I'm so sorry to read about your loss of Bubba.  I try to keep up with 
the posts but am so far behind right now.  I like how you described your last 
times with Bubba.  That is how I hope it will be for Jimi, too.  

   Michelle, your post made a lot of sense to me and I felt great comfort from 
it.

   Diane, I think you are right about the talking to him.  He does seem to 
appreciate it and will slowly close his eyes in acknowledgement.  I do think he 
really hates the coercion more than anything right now (with trying to get meds 
and fluids and some A/D).

   Phaewryn, I appreciate your post.  He won't eat at all, though, so trying to 
tempt him with food will not work, I'm afraid.  He had severe stomatitis for 
years but now I think it has progressed down his esophagus or lower because his 
mouth looks good but it is painful for him to eat.

   Barb, thanks for sharing your own perspective and experience.  I'm sorry 
that you lost Ninja.  It is so hard to be an animal lover at times.

   Tonya, Elizabeth and Gloria, thank you so much for your caring messages and 
your prayers.  

   Many thanks and hugs,
Anne and Jimi Too Cool, Simms and Sophie



Frequently they want to be alone when they leave this world.  Perhaps it is 
easier for them to leave without their people around willing them to stay or 
perhaps they think it will be easier on their human friends if they do not have 
to watch.  Also, some like to feel the cool ground during their last 
while---some just want to be cool.  The Royal Princess Kitty Katt and Ebony 
Thomas Katt both sought out cold tiles over blankets and warm places.  I took 
Ebony outside to let him enjoy the earth while waiting for his vet on New 
Year's Eve night.   

Know that you are letting him do as he needs to even if it breaking your heart 
and frightening you.  He loves you for that.  Keep the cat door available to 
him and consider putting a blanket or something warm under the deck for him 
(this is more for you than for him). 

**

Dear Anne,

My heart goes out to you, since it was just 8 days ago since I lost my Bubba.

He, too, sought out hiding places shortly before he died.  I think that Jimi is 
trying to find a place to be alone more than anything else.  When Bubba finally 
became too weak to move around the apartment, I kept him right next to me so I 
could hold him and stroke him and talk to him.  That meant a lot to me and I 
think that it meant a lot to him, too, because even though I think he was in a 
coma at the end, his tail would switch and he would purr when I talked to him 
and stroked him.



Leah

*

What's happened since then?
 
I know it is distressing, and I would be trying to get him in too. But it  is 
true they want to do this, often, to die, and it is also true that  
hypothermia is supposed to be one of the most painless ways to die, and to help 
 with 
other kinds of pain, I think.  If he passes, or passed, outside, it  really may 
be the best thing.  Though I completely understand your  distress.
 
Michelle



I'm sorry Anne.  Maybe he does want to be private.  I don't know.  You are both 
in my prayers.
  tonya

*

Anne, I'm so sorry you have this added worry at a time like this.  But yes,
you're giving him a choice, and if he wants to come back in he will.  If you
know he's still alive, you could go out from time to time and just sit and
talk to him -- tell him his story, tell him what he means to you.  Do this
even if you can't see him just then.  This will help both of you.  He'll
know you're caring for him without trying to coerce him, and you will be
together in every way except physically.  Hugs to you both.

Diane R.

Re: Jimi Too Cool problem

Oh my dear, how very distressing for you.  You might be able to take 
some comfort in the fact that you seem to be the only one distressed 
here.  I'm so glad Jimi isn't able to escape the yard and has the choice 
about coming back inside.  I'd probably be doing just what Diane 
suggests...  Getting bundled up and sitting in the cold talking and 
comforting to the spot I suspect him to be under the deck.  Since this 
was written last night, I'm hoping Jimi is back inside by now.


I think Jenn was talking about me when she mentioned "someone on the 
list" going through this a couple of months ago.  Do you remember all 
that with Spencer?  I was beside myself with worry when Spence went 
missing.  He was so sick and weak, I was sure he went off to die without 
me.  I searched, cried and prayed, then I searched, cried and prayed 
some more.  I called two different ACs that both told me he was in 
transition.  Finally I made peace with his decision and took some 
comfort in the fact that he had a choice about how he'd pass.  You could 
have knocked me over with a feather when he showed back up. 

Hugs to you, I can imagine what you're going through.  Keep sending him 
love and thanks, he'll hear you,

Nina

anne wrote:

Hi everyone,
   My Jimi Too Cool, 10 year old black domestic shorthair with feline 
leukemia, is in his last stage of life, I am sure.  He has been slowly 
going downhill.  He is just bones with fur and won't eat.  His pain is 
controlled with depo-medrol and tramadol and he is not in distress, 
pain is under control, but he mostly just sleeps a lot.  Well, tonight 
he made a break for it and went outside and won't come in and it is at 
freezing temp now.  32 degrees, I believe.  No wind, though.  I have 
cat-fence-in so he is not straying but I can't reach him.  Every time 
I go out to try and bring him in, he runs for cover under the deck. 
 
   Have any of you run into this problem?  I have heard that cats and 
dogs like to go outside to die.  Could that be it, I wonder?  I am so 
worried about him as he is so skinny and he is not used to this cold 
weather.  He can come in, though, if he would like, as I put the cat 
door back into the window, just for him, although I had it stowed for 
the cold weather until spring.  I am trying to relax because I know he 
could come in if he wanted to so he must not mind it outside.  Sigh
 
   Thanks, everyone.
 
Anne and Jimi Too Cool and Simms and Sophie in MI

Re: Bandy and Oli-Vet info

I briefly looked for where I ordered it from and couldn't find it.  
Here's the link for the page on Vetri-Science website, (the company that 
makes it).  They have links for where to purchase the Oli-vet product.  It
comes in a paste as well as capsule.  The Oli-vet has a larger 
percentage of oleuropein (37.5mg) per capsule than other brands I looked at.


http://www.vetriscience.com/oli-vet.php

Big hugs,
Nina

Kerry Roach wrote:

Hi everyone,
Thanks so much for your prayers.  We just got back from the vet 
again..His temp was 105.5 Sat. So they called the vet and we gave him 
2cc of dex along with another polyflex and baytril injection..He got 
some metronidazole as he has a loose stool...I never could get him to 
eat on Fri so I did force some a/d with a syringe down him..He seems 
to hurt all over again.  He also got another 250cc subq fluids..
He did sit up for the ride home, but wasn't interested in anything 
when we got home really..He did nibble on a few pieces for dry food 
and a couple of bits of can.  I am hoping all the dex will kick in 
really soon to get the temp down and he will eat..
Nina, where did you buy the oli-vet, natural antibiotic?  I haven't 
had time to check the 2 places I use for supps, but would appreciate 
the info.
Michelle,  No we haven't done the IR, but am considering it Monday if 
the temp will go down..did it make Lucy have a rise in temp?  I know 
it can so we would really need Bandy's temp to be down for it..I agree 
with you...I should try it...Also, what dosage?  Do you think
.25cc would be ok first time then repeat how often?  I just haven't 
had time to go look back to see what you told me the last time..So if 
you could let me know again, I would really appreciate it.. Do you 
give it 3 or 4 times with a few days in between?

Also, any other thoughts...
We will keep you posted..
Thanks again.
Kerry, Bandy and Inky

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Re: Prayers needed for Bandy

 
I do NOT think you need the temp to go down in order to give the I-R. No,  
Lucy did not have a temp spike at all from it, nor did Patches, nor did anyone 
I 
 know other than my Ginger. But I also gave Ginger 1 ml, which is a very high 
 dose. I gave Lucy only .25 ml, which is actually the dose recommended by the 
 company (Dr. Lees recommends 1 ml in his article) and it helped with no side 
 effects. Besides, the spike in temp is very temporary-- it lasted maybe a 
half  hour at most with Ginger. she already had a pretty high temp when I gave 
it to  her, like maybe 104, and it spiked to 106.5 or something, but then went 
down  below what it started at.  And, again, I gave her a very high dose of  
it.
 
I really, really, really think you should do the I-R as soon as possible.  
Start with the .25 ml dose and see how he does. If you are nervous about a temp 
 
spike, ask the vet if you can hang out there with him for a half hour after 
the  shot to make sure he is ok.  But seriously, I don't think anyone on this  
list experienced a temp spike with it, only Ginger. It is listed as a possible 
 side effect, a temporary temp spike, but is not common.  And fever seems to  
be the thing I-R is best at treating, actually. 
 
Michelle
 
In a message dated 12/16/2006 1:51:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Hi everyone,
Thanks so much for your prayers.  We just got back from the vet  again..His 
temp was 105.5 Sat. So they called the vet and we gave him 2cc of  dex along 
with another polyflex and baytril injection..He got some  metronidazole as he 
has a loose stool...I never could get him to eat on Fri so  I did force some 
a/d 
with a syringe down him..He seems to hurt all over  again.  He also got 
another 250cc subq fluids..
He did sit up for the ride home, but wasn't interested in anything when  we 
got home really..He did nibble on a few pieces for dry food and a couple of  
bits of can.  I am hoping all the dex will kick in really soon to get the  temp 
down and he will eat..
Nina, where did you buy the oli-vet, natural antibiotic?  I haven't  had time 
to check the 2 places I use for supps, but would appreciate the  info.
Michelle,  No we haven't done the IR, but am considering it Monday  if the 
temp will go down..did it make Lucy have a rise in temp?  I know  it can so we 
would really need Bandy's temp to be down for it..I agree with  you...I should 
try it...Also, what dosage?  Do you think 
.25cc would be ok first time then repeat how often?  I just haven't  had time 
to go look back to see what you told me the last time..So if you  could let 
me know again, I would really appreciate it.. Do you give it 3 or 4  times with 
a few days in between?
Also, any other thoughts...
We will keep you posted..
Thanks again.
Kerry, Bandy and Inky

Re: Prayers needed for Bandy

oh, other thing you asked-- space between dosing. It says to do every 3-4  
days for a while, i think.  I have never given more than 2 shots. With  Patches 
she only needed one, with Ginger I did 2 shots 3 days apart, and with  Lucy I 
did 2 shots one week apart.
 
Michelle

Re: Prayers needed for Bandy

 
please don't be hesitant about I-R.  It really has been an extremely  helpful 
drug to many cats on this list, and I think Ginger is the only one who  had 
any reaction to it, and the reaction was quite temporary and harmless.   If she 
were still alive and had trouble with a fever or URI I would not hesitate  to 
give it to her again, in spite of her reaction. I would just give her a  
smaller dose.
Michelle
 
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I have  been hesitant to use it too, but 
just maybe...

Re: OT: To Nina and other dog experts: Nilla Belle peeing blood afterspay

If a HUMAN was peeing blood after a surgery, I bet no one would take the "wait 
and
see" stance!

Phaewryn

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Re: OT: cancer treatment

My cod liver oil says:
serving size 1 teaspoon
Total Fat 4.5 g
EPA (eicosapentaennoic acid) 554 mg
DHA (docosahexaenoic acid) 369 mg

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Re: OT: To Nina and other dog experts: Nilla Belle peeing blood afterspay


At 06:21 PM 12/16/2006, you wrote:



Actually, It depends upon the kind of surgery. Many of my patients 
after hysterectomies or C sections do have blood in their urine. It 
depends upon how much..as little usually clears in a day or so if it 
a lot we might assume the bladder was nicked. That usually heals on 
it's own also..Again it depends on just how much...all blood and 
no urine is a big concern...pink and blood tinged urine is not

Kelly


If a HUMAN was peeing blood after a surgery, I bet no one would take 
the "wait and

see" stance!

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Re: Interferon Info (FELV & FIV tests)

There's a new DNA test for FIV, which is preferred over the old western blot now
because it can tell a true positive from a vaccinated positive.

Yes, the IFA is the usual confirmatory test for FELV though.

Here's all the info on the FIV testing (your vet may not be aware of it yet, as
it is
VERY new, so print this out and take it with you):
http://www.vetmed.ucdavis.edu/ccah/Homesite%20Images/Diagnostic%20PCR%20Price%20Schedule.doc

(you have to scroll down quite some way to the section titled FIV DNA Testing
Information.)

FIV DNA Testing Information

Lucy Whittier Molecular and Diagnostic Core Facility Phone: 530.752-7991
2108 Tupper Hall Fax: 530.754-6862
University of California
Department of Medicine & EpidemiologyEmail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
School of Veterinary Medicine
Davis, CA 95616

Dear Clinician,

Thank you for requesting information about our FIV DNA test. At this time we
require
2 mL of whole blood in an EDTA (Lavender Top) Vacutainer tube, along with
information
outlined below. The test is offered at no charge. The PCR assay detects the
viral
genome directly and therefore differentiates infected from vaccinated animals.
Results will be faxed to you within 48 hours upon receipt of the sample except
for
Friday deliveries, which will be faxed 72 hours upon receipt.

Please include the following information with each sample:

1. Veterinarians name
2. Your complete mailing address
3. Your phone and fax number
4. Number of samples sent
5. Sample type
6. Species of animal
7. Type of test requested

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1. All Shipments must comply with the International Air Transport Association
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Dangerous Goods regulations. Please consult the IATA website
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further information.
2. Send on ice in a Styrofoam container (no ice needed for fixed tissues)
3. Ship overnight (Do not ship on Friday)
4. Use FedEx or other express courier
5. Federal Tax Identification Number 946036494

Shipping Address:

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Davis, CA 95616
Tel: 530.752.7991

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RE: Prayers needed for Bandy

2006-12-16 Thread Chris

The only med problem my Tucson has had is a couple of episodes of low white
blood count.  Both times, vet gave her a series of immuno-regulin shots and
count went right back up.  Both times, I knew something was up with her
because she wouldn't eat-she's18 lbs so eating is a big thing for her!!!  

 

Chris

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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Prayers needed for Bandy

 

Hi everyone,

My Bandy has been very sick this week..First, we are still fighting the
ringworm, but it is our least worry for now..He starting getting limp in one
rear leg as he did back in the summer..So I took him in on Tues. and he
received basically same treatment as in the summer...He got some dex,
adequan, B vit inj, and torbutrol for pain..His temp was 103.5 which is the
highest it has been since Aug..he did seem to respond as he came home, ate
ok and drank...climbed up on his tower and would purr and talk to me..Then
on Fri. or really late Thurs night, he wouldn't eat at all or move about
much..So I took him back to the doctor Fri afternoon...His temp was still
around 103 which could explain the bad appetite, but I didn't know what else
to do and still don't...

So the vet tech called the Doctor since she is off on Fri..we ran a complete
blood chem and profile and thyroid...He hasn't had all that since June so we
were due...It didn't help us much either...Surprising enough his PCV was
37.5 which is great...the WBC was low normal...some other blood values grans
and monocytes were off which I don't know what all that means..his platlets
were very low...Anyone know anything about that

I'm really scared for him now...He doesn't seem to have URI or UTI and no
mouth ulcers..no stomach trouble either..He did have a loose stool couple of
times the other day. Probably from all the meds on Tues..

I can't get him to eat...I have tried everything...He will eat a few bites
at  a time and won't drink any broth either..I don't know what else to
try...Please let me know what you all think.

He also got 250cc subq fluids..today and 2 different antibiotic injections
along with 5mg pred which we are going on for a week..and if he won't eat I
am to up it to 10mg..also oxazepam for appetite stimulant...

Please keep him in your prayers..

I hope all your kitties are doing well...we send head butts to all..

Kerry, Bandy and Inky

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Re: Jimi Too Cool problem

If it's painful for him to eat, have you been tube feeding him? It's very
important to not let them go without a certain amount for more than 2-3 days
because it leads to feline hepatic lipidosis (fatty liver disease). Poor
baby. http://www.sniksnak.com/cathealth/liver2.html

I'm glad he's back inside now. There's a pet bed called the canine cooler,
it's a dog bed, filled with gel, it's supposed to stay cool all the time,
maybe Jimi would like one of those in the house. (or you could just put one
of those re-freezable ice packs inside his normal cat bed, and have several
to keep it cool all the time)
http://www.chillow.com/cc.html

Am I the only one here that finds it at least a little amusing that Jimi
"Too Cool" is trying to keep COOL? LOL! It's SO CUTE!

Phaewryn

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Re: OT: To Nina and other dog experts: Nilla Belle peeingblood afterspay

OMG! If I peed blood after a surgery, I would DIE of a heart attack, LOL! The 
blood
wouldn't have to kill me, the shock would be enough! I didn't when I had my 
tubes
tied, but that's not very invasive either I suppose. I will have to ask my mom 
is she
peed blood after her VERY traumatic emergency hysterectomy (she was prolasping, 
I
hope that doesn't run in the family).

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Re: OT: To Nina and other dog experts: Nilla Belle peeingblood afterspay


At 06:52 PM 12/16/2006, you wrote:


Fortunately the foley catheter bag is out of site so they do not see 
the blood,,,We actually chart the color change from red to orange to 
yellowNo one has died of shock though once we explain it is not a 
bid deal,,even the little bood vessels in the bladder can rupture 
when there is a bit of trauma,,,so you have never had a bad UTI 
yourself,,,lucky woman

Kelly


OMG! If I peed blood after a surgery, I would DIE of a heart attack, 
LOL! The blood
wouldn't have to kill me, the shock would be enough! I didn't when I 
had my tubes
tied, but that's not very invasive either I suppose. I will have to 
ask my mom is she
peed blood after her VERY traumatic emergency hysterectomy (she was 
prolasping, I

hope that doesn't run in the family).

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OT...Mice invasion.

On the lighter side...Amazingly with multitudes of cats we do have a 
mouse problem, No, I do not hurt them but my attempts at relocation 
to the garage , even though it is detached seems to have failed.
Out of desperation I went and purchased a big clear plastic bin at 
,,,made hundreds of air holes in the top and filled it with 
bedding,,toy, food  etc,,,Got one the first night,,did not get any 
more for 3 days and I was worried he/she might be lonely.Well by day 
4 he had room mates,,Well I went to clean it out a bit and discovered 
one had given birth,a cute little nest with tiny little pink 
babies for Xmas.
So now we need to build a safe shelter in the back acre for them, My 
husband got some hay bales today and I will make them a nice safe 
shelter to relocate them to,,
We are trying to go to Hawaii next week for our daughters wedding and 
between our business,,the over 40 cats,4 dogs it was tough Now it is 
the mice,,,

They are cute though.

Re: OT...Mice invasion.

Cute! Pet mice!

I worked at a feed store years ago, you know, horse feed and hay and such. 
Anyways,
we had a store cat, he was supposed to keep the mouse population down. One day 
my
boss was rearranging the feed stacks, and found a nest of baby mice. Neither 
one of
us really wanted to kill them ourselves, so I went and got Thomas (the cat) and 
sat
him right next to them and said "Look Thomas! Yummy kitty snacks!" The cat 
looked up
at me like I had three heads and yawned, curled up beside the mice and went 
back to
sleep. LOL! (the boss ended up killing the mice, in a feed store, you really 
just
can't have mice, they destroy the stock too quickly)

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Re: Switching from interferon alpha to omega

2006-12-16 Thread Lance

I've always understood that low dose (7 days on/7 days off, etc.)  
interferon alpha doesn't produce resistance. High dose interferon  
alpha, which I don't think I've read of anyone on the list using,  
DOES produce resistance at around 7 weeks of treatment. Low dose  
seems to be the better way to go with interferon alpha, for other  
reasons as well.


On the other hand, while I've seen people on the list using VO at low  
doses, most of the reports I've read on it (including Paolo's  
firsthand account of what he saw with his FeLV+ cat and VO) has been  
with high doses.


So, perhaps I'm wrong here, but my personal conclusion is that  
interferon alpha is still the way to go for low dose treatment. It's  
easier to get and afford, at least here in North America. On the  
other hand, interferon omega would be better used at high doses for a  
short amount of time (par the schedule developed in the study - can't  
recall the name).


I'm hoping to get Ember a high dose VO treatment sometime soon. I'm  
not sure if it will help, since she's mostly asymptomatic. My  
uneducated guess is that it might lower the viral load in her  
bloodstream.




Hi  Folks,

Do any of you know if it is possible to switch from interferon   
alpha to
Virbagen interferon omega if/when a cat becomes resistant to the   
interferon
alpha? My thinking on this is to start my FeLV+ kitty Shane on  the  
alpha now
since it is readily available and affordable and if at some  point  
it stops
working for him, to look into importing the omega.  (Everything on  
his CBC is

presently within normal range.) Would that work,  or when they become
resistant to the alpha does that cross over to the  omega? Anybody  
know? The

other hope is that by the time that happens, maybe  the Omega will be
licensed for use in the USA. Also, how can you tell that  a cat has  
developed
a resistance to the interferon alpha, just by clinical  signs or is  
there a

specific test?

Thanks in advance for your  help!

Sue and Shane
Jerome, AZ

Emily is out of surgery, home and recovering

Just an update on Emily, my friend Renee's girl with breast cancer. She had a 
total
mastectomy, they removed both mammary chains at once (sometimes they can only 
do one
at a time due to not having enough skin to close the incisions). She'll be 
starting
her chemo after her sutures are removed in two weeks, and the pathology report 
will
be back at that time too. The tumor was removed at the beginning of December 
and it
was diagnosed as Adenocarcinoma. The surgeon said he didn't see any other tumors
during the mastectomy, so things are looking promising. She's REALLY cute in her
t-shirt. This way she doesn't have to wear an cone (elizabethan collar):
http://ucat.us/Emily-postsurgery.gif
http://ucat.us/Emily-postsurgery2.gif

Thanks to everyone on your positive thoughts and well wishes for her! She seems 
to be
doing good, she has a pain patch on, and is on a course of post-surgical 
antibiotics.
She was more active earlier, Renee thinks she may have overdone it and is now a
little sore, as she is sleeping in her bed on the floor now (as opposed to 
climbing
on the bed, etc).

Renee is a member here too, BTW, she's just not come out of her shell yet 
enough to
talk... :-)
(so any replies, she will see)

Phaewryn
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