Re: Suzie crossed the bridge
Kelley, I'm so sorry to read that Suzie passed. I'm so sorry. tonya Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: She was a sweet girl who liked to sit in laps, but didn't like other cats much. She was positive for FIP. Dr Samon euthanized her this morning. I wish I had been there, but they said she was comatose.. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge
Thank you for the information Belinda. I am going to read all of it. Gina MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the most important info, i believe, in the last few years, is the research showing a genetic predisposition for the mutation from the usually benign corona virus to the horrible FIP. when i was still involved with VIN (the parent of www.veterinarypartner.com that belinda references), this relationship was just starting to come out, through the Feline Genome Project results from UC Davis and other participants. the winn feline foundation (whose link i don't happen to have right at hand but a search will pull it up, has current position papers on FIV, FeLV and FIP. personally, i disagree with their overly pessimistic stats on both FIV and FeLV, but that's me.) as belinda says, the information is out there and we have a responsibility to make sure that what we don't add to the confusion by repeating stuff that is NOT accurate. (and yes, i STILL haven't found where, exactly, the oft-quoted figure that 70% of healthy adult cats can throw off the FeLV virus. but i'm still looking.) On 6/28/07, Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here are some sites with info about FIP. Just because the same misinformation keeps getting repeated isn't going to make it true. To many cats pay with their lives when incorrect information is tossed about. To say a cat is suspected to have FIP is one thing, to say is is confirmed without the proper verification procedures being followed is in my opinion criminal. -- This is from the VeterinaryPartner.com website written and maintained by vets, it is from 2002 so even this is probably no the most accurate info: http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?P=AA=232 FIP effusion fluid is thick, tenacious, straw-colored to deep golden, and clear to slightly cloudy. From another Vet Website, again written in 2002: http://www.vetinfo.com/cencyclopedia/cefip.html When cats have the effusive form of FIP in which abdominal fluid accumulation occurs, the thick, straw colored fluid has characteristics that strongly suggest FIP. It is possible to run a more specialized lab test, a polymerase chain reaction test for FIP, on this fluid. This type of testing is more accurate than FIP antibody testing but still is not definitive. Blood tests to compare the various protein levels in the blood can be very suggestive of FIP infection, as well. High immunglobulin levels are very suggestive of FIP in the presence of clinical signs. Despite all of this, there is no clear-cut way to make a sure diagnosis of FIP prior to death. This person does Dr Addie's website and probably has some of the most current and factual info on FIP: http://www.orionfoundation.com/Information.htm 3) Verify FIP through histopathology. Simply necropsy is not enough. Microscopic evaluation of tissue from biopsy or necropsy by a trained pathologist is considered the only diagnostic proof of FIP. Where available request immunoperoxidase examination of tissue to verify presence of Corona virus in suspect tissue. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 Visit my Tigger Tales site! - Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV.
Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge (MaryChristine)
My vet has vaccinated his cats against felv every year, and one of his has turned pos. I have heard that it's 70 / 30 crapshoot, but I could be wrong. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Malone To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 10:26 PM Subject: Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge (MaryChristine) am really new to this whole situation. Adopted an abandoned tuxie and at 9 months he just got sick. 2 days later he was in massive shock and unable to survive much more. My vet put him down while I held him. He told me he tested positive for Felv. I then brought in my others a 3 year old and a 4 year old. My 4 year old female is negative. My 3 year old male is positive. I have had both since they were kittens and they have always received all vaccinations yearly. I brought a kitten in that was a mess and he spent a week at the vet just trying to save him. He did initially test negative for Felv. He had also received his shots. I don't know what to think, but I am living proof you can vaccinate your cats for years and they can contract this virus. My boy is doing well now. He seems perfectly healthy. I don't know much about this virus but I have learned that vaccinations do not always work. Elizabeth
Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge
Well, you are correct, no vet knows everything. And I can tell you THIS while we are @ it, neither do rescue folks. And it is no small wonder why lots of vet clinics cringe when they see rescue people walk in the door w/ their animals. And as far as killing animals, bad rescue people are right up there w/ bad vets, as well as pseudo sanctuaries. And if I hear of one more person make excuses for these types of people, (they had good intentions, things just got out of handblahblah...blah...) my head will explode while it spins around on my neck and I projectile vomit everywhere. I should know, I have been involved in way too many interventions and animal cruelty cases to even count. And how about them backyard breeders? I have more than my fair share of genetic freaks @ my house due to THEM. Like my Lola, Ursula (both felv+) and Pugsley, (felv- but chronic health problems w/ skin, eyes you can hear him breathe across a room). This particuliar piece of work was trying to invent a new breed...Give me a friggin' break.We didn't call her the Frankenbreeder case for nothing my friend. And then there is my Princess Pearl, which is felv- but came from a confiscation of what USED to be a house of 240+ cats. Well, until the owner died and he wasn't discovered for 2 weeks. Over 120 cats died of starvation during a freak ice storm in SA waiting to be found. What did the survivors eat, you ask? Why, their owner, who had been experimenting on them for years, keeping meticulous notes.(too bad they didn't eat him while he was alive). With 120 cats left, we transferred 56 to the Austin area and I ended up keeping one tiny, malnourished kitty that had rickets so bad she could not use her back legs. All she would do was hide in a corner in my bathroom. And try to put her in a cat carrier and take her to the vet? Impossible She had been shoved into a box where she had been subjected to torture and chemical abuse. I read the notes, I know. Blind cats from experimentation, injected cats, you name it. A true Katzentration Kamp... So, my point is my friend, there are a lot more folks out there killing kitty than just bad vets. And they are all just as bad. And some of these same folks are taking in HUGE donations in the name of charity, and giving the rest of us a bad name. All the while they are tossing the cats outside to live in trees and eat twigs (several sancturaries come to mind), OR, giving them substandard care that is so bad, you would need a shovel to dig yourself into their homes due to the feces... And once again I should know about that too, because that is EXACTLY what I have had to do to rescue cats, FROM RESCUERS. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Belinda To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 8:54 PM Subject: Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge Sorry but no vet knows everything ... I personally know of this type of vet worship costing animals their life. Just stating a fact ... take it or leave it. PS. I didn't call any vet a criminal, I said and I quote: To say a cat is suspected to have FIP is one thing, to say is is confirmed without the proper verification procedures being followed is in my opinion criminal. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge
Oh, I failed to mention this little fact... While I was shoveling cat poop to rescue cats from rescuers, guess who was right there w/ me? MY VET'S WIFE, who is also a trained nurse ANd who performed ALL the vetting on ALL the cats I have mentioned from over the years? PRO BONO? MY VET Dr. Smith, as well as Kelly's vet Dr. Samon. And sometimes I even worked side by side w/ them while they did their thing. ( I also worked @ Dr. Smith's house for 2.5 yrs, everyday, taking care of his 60+ special needs cats. A REAL sanctuary environment). And I have worked w/ enough BAD VETS to know what GOOD VET is like Once again, when you work in a shelter you know ALL the local dirt.And when you know the drug reps you know what happens in the back of the clinic and who has a filthy clinic.. People sure do like to talk. :) And being a petsitter now for 3 yrs., I have dealt w/ some REAL losers masquerading as vets that were hired by my clients. So, yes, there is the good, and there is bad, you I are put on this earth to let everyone know the difference. However, we shall do it in our own way, but it's nice to be fair. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Belinda To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 8:54 PM Subject: Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge Sorry but no vet knows everything ... I personally know of this type of vet worship costing animals their life. Just stating a fact ... take it or leave it. PS. I didn't call any vet a criminal, I said and I quote: To say a cat is suspected to have FIP is one thing, to say is is confirmed without the proper verification procedures being followed is in my opinion criminal. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge
Hey MC, I, too, need to track down that 70% figure. And my understanding is that that is 70% of healthy, *unvaccinated* cats can throw off the virus. So with vaccinated cats it would be even better. Is that your understanding as well? Alley Cat Allies has some good documentation on how spaying and neutering more animals is a better answer to stopping the spread of FELV than is testing. They recommend *not* testing healthy, asymptomatic cats. http://www.alleycat.org/pdf/test.pdf Whenever our feral cat program gets started, that's the way we will operate. If only there were 48 hours in the day:) Kelley On 6/28/07, MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the most important info, i believe, in the last few years, is the research showing a genetic predisposition for the mutation from the usually benign corona virus to the horrible FIP. when i was still involved with VIN (the parent of www.veterinarypartner.com that belinda references), this relationship was just starting to come out, through the Feline Genome Project results from UC Davis and other participants. the winn feline foundation (whose link i don't happen to have right at hand but a search will pull it up, has current position papers on FIV, FeLV and FIP. personally, i disagree with their overly pessimistic stats on both FIV and FeLV, but that's me.) as belinda says, the information is out there and we have a responsibility to make sure that what we don't add to the confusion by repeating stuff that is NOT accurate. (and yes, i STILL haven't found where, exactly, the oft-quoted figure that 70% of healthy adult cats can throw off the FeLV virus. but i'm still looking.) On 6/28/07, Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Here are some sites with info about FIP. Just because the same misinformation keeps getting repeated isn't going to make it true.* *To many cats pay with their lives when incorrect information is tossed about. To say a cat is suspected to have FIP is one thing, to say is is confirmed without the proper verification procedures being followed is in my opinion criminal.* -- * This is from the VeterinaryPartner.com website written and maintained by vets, it is from 2002 so even this is probably no the most accurate info: * http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?P=AA=232 FIP effusion fluid is thick, tenacious, straw-colored to deep golden, and clear to slightly cloudy. *From another Vet Website, again written in 2002:* http://www.vetinfo.com/cencyclopedia/cefip.html When cats have the effusive form of FIP in which abdominal fluid accumulation occurs, the thick, straw colored fluid has characteristics that strongly suggest FIP. It is possible to run a more specialized lab test, a polymerase chain reaction test for FIP, on this fluid. This type of testing is more accurate than FIP antibody testing but still is not definitive. Blood tests to compare the various protein levels in the blood can be very suggestive of FIP infection, as well. High immunglobulin levels are very suggestive of FIP in the presence of clinical signs. *Despite all of this, there is no clear-cut way to make a sure diagnosis of FIP prior to death.* *This person does Dr Addie's website and probably has some of the most current and factual info on FIP: *http://www.orionfoundation.com/Information.htm *3) Verify FIP through histopathology*. Simply necropsy is not enough. Microscopic evaluation of tissue from biopsy or necropsy by a trained pathologist is considered the only diagnostic proof of FIP. Where available request immunoperoxidase examination of tissue to verify presence of Corona virus in suspect tissue. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittenshttp://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Servicehttp://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design]http://HostDesign4U.com http://hostdesign4u.com/ BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites]http://bmk.bemikitties.com -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge
I read in multiple literature that 2/3 of cats who were expsed to the virus
will thrwo off the Felk virus as well. One I saw is in the peteducation web
page in felk section about it does not tell where the back up study came from..
Also, one of the medical book I have for cats also say the same thing --
Here's what I copied from the website..from the peteducation.com
What happens to a cat after being exposed to FeLV?
If the cat becomes infected from the exposure, 2-4 weeks later, in the
acutejavascript:popupWin1('/dictionary_term.cfm?term=acutecls=1', 50, 50,
350, 300) stage of infection, large numbers of the virus can be found in the
bloodstream (viremia). Cats in the acute phase usually do not show signs of
disease. If they do, the signs are usually mild fever, slight lethargy, and
swollen lymph
nodeshttp://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?cls=1cat=1352articleid=318
(lymphadenopathy). When an adult cat is exposed to FeLV, four things can happen:
1.. Approximately 30% of adult cats will not be infected due to inadequate
exposure.
2.. 30-35% of adult cats have a transient infection; over the course of 6
months or so, the cats will eventually kill all of the virus.
3.. 5-10% of adult cats will develop
latentjavascript:popupWin1('/dictionary_term.cfm?term=latentcls=1', 50, 50,
350, 300) infections; these cats will not be able to kill all the virus, but
will be able to hold it in check. This is called a latent infection. These cats
usually show no signs of infection and usually do not shed virus in their
saliva or other body secretions.
Queensjavascript:popupWin1('/dictionary_term.cfm?term=queencls=1', 50, 50,
350, 300), however, may still pass the virus in utero or through the milk.
4.. 30% of adult cats will become persistently infected; these cats will not
develop an adequate immune response and will remain permanently infected with
FeLV. These are the cats who will become ill and die of FeLV-related diseases,
usually within 2-3 years of infection. These cats will shed large amounts of
virus in their saliva.
Age is a very important factor in determining what will happen after a cat is
exposed to FeLV. Almost all FeLV-exposed kittens less than 8 weeks of age will
have persistent viremia and show signs of disease during the acute phase. As
kittens get older, there is the probability of becoming persistently infected
after exposure lessens, until it reaches approximately 30% in adulthood.
The prevalence of FeLV infection is highest in cats between 1 and 6 years of
age, with a mean age of 3 years. Males are 1-½ times more likely to be infected
than females. This may be due to the frequency in which intact males roam and
fight.
- Original Message -
From: Kelley Saveikamailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 8:14 AM
Subject: Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge
Hey MC,
I, too, need to track down that 70% figure. And my understanding is that
that is 70% of healthy, *unvaccinated* cats can throw off the virus. So with
vaccinated cats it would be even better.
Is that your understanding as well?
Alley Cat Allies has some good documentation on how spaying and neutering
more animals is a better answer to stopping the spread of FELV than is testing.
They recommend *not* testing healthy, asymptomatic cats.
http://www.alleycat.org/pdf/test.pdfhttp://www.alleycat.org/pdf/test.pdf
Whenever our feral cat program gets started, that's the way we will operate.
If only there were 48 hours in the day:)
Kelley
On 6/28/07, MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
the most important info, i believe, in the last few years, is the research
showing a genetic predisposition for the mutation from the usually benign
corona virus to the horrible FIP. when i was still involved with VIN (the
parent of www.veterinarypartner.comhttp://www.veterinarypartner.com/ that
belinda references), this relationship was just starting to come out, through
the Feline Genome Project results from UC Davis and other participants. the
winn feline foundation (whose link i don't happen to have right at hand but a
search will pull it up, has current position papers on FIV, FeLV and FIP.
personally, i disagree with their overly pessimistic stats on both FIV and
FeLV, but that's me.)
as belinda says, the information is out there and we have a responsibility
to make sure that what we don't add to the confusion by repeating stuff that is
NOT accurate.
(and yes, i STILL haven't found where, exactly, the oft-quoted figure that
70% of healthy adult cats can throw off the FeLV virus. but i'm still
looking.)
On 6/28/07, Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Here are some sites with info about FIP. Just because the same
misinformation keeps getting repeated isn't going to make
Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge
I counted up the percentages in Hideyo's list and they added up to 70%. K On 6/29/07, MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: right, this 2/3 figure seems to be what's being used most often. winn feline foundation has new position papers out on FIV/FeLV/FIP, and that's what on theirs. http://www.winnfelinehealth.org HOWEVER, i know that i saw that 70% figure in a number of places, and it annoys me that i can't find it now. re: vaccinated cats' immunity, as far as anyone i've heard of can tell, there are NO, zip, zilch, nada, eppes documented cases of a vaccinated TRUE NEGATIVE (ie, retested after the 120 days necessary) who has ever turned positive from living with a true, retested positive. we all know of cases where supposedly negative cats have turned up positive later, but in none of those cases was the negative result ever verified. i know that in two households, mine and at the sanctuary, with all cats supposedly negative, we've found out later that SOMEONE was actually positive, when cats got sick. also according to the winn feline foundation, the new FeLV vaccines are about 95% effective. (like gloria, i really don't like to think about where they are coming up with the statistics, and what they're doing to our cats to do so.) however, anyone with experience with FeLVs in large numbers has questioned the 85% efficacy rate of the vaccine for a long time, in light of the high percentage of UNVACCINATED cats who throw off the virus, and the fact that vaccinated cats living with positives stay negative. i've questioned whether or not that 85% if just among kittens, frail elders, and other compromised populations thanks for the links, hideyo! -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge
by the way, did you know there is a now new type of felk vaccine, much safer than traditional ones -- I will get the name if you guys are not already aware of this. - Original Message - From: MaryChristinemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 10:08 AM Subject: Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge right, this 2/3 figure seems to be what's being used most often. winn feline foundation has new position papers out on FIV/FeLV/FIP, and that's what on theirs. http://www.winnfelinehealth.org http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/ HOWEVER, i know that i saw that 70% figure in a number of places, and it annoys me that i can't find it now. re: vaccinated cats' immunity, as far as anyone i've heard of can tell, there are NO, zip, zilch, nada, eppes documented cases of a vaccinated TRUE NEGATIVE (ie, retested after the 120 days necessary) who has ever turned positive from living with a true, retested positive. we all know of cases where supposedly negative cats have turned up positive later, but in none of those cases was the negative result ever verified. i know that in two households, mine and at the sanctuary, with all cats supposedly negative, we've found out later that SOMEONE was actually positive, when cats got sick. also according to the winn feline foundation, the new FeLV vaccines are about 95% effective. (like gloria, i really don't like to think about where they are coming up with the statistics, and what they're doing to our cats to do so.) however, anyone with experience with FeLVs in large numbers has questioned the 85% efficacy rate of the vaccine for a long time, in light of the high percentage of UNVACCINATED cats who throw off the virus, and the fact that vaccinated cats living with positives stay negative. i've questioned whether or not that 85% if just among kittens, frail elders, and other compromised populations thanks for the links, hideyo! -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge
yep, exactly! - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveikamailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 10:11 AM Subject: Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge I counted up the percentages in Hideyo's list and they added up to 70%. K On 6/29/07, MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: right, this 2/3 figure seems to be what's being used most often. winn feline foundation has new position papers out on FIV/FeLV/FIP, and that's what on theirs. http://www.winnfelinehealth.org http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/ HOWEVER, i know that i saw that 70% figure in a number of places, and it annoys me that i can't find it now. re: vaccinated cats' immunity, as far as anyone i've heard of can tell, there are NO, zip, zilch, nada, eppes documented cases of a vaccinated TRUE NEGATIVE (ie, retested after the 120 days necessary) who has ever turned positive from living with a true, retested positive. we all know of cases where supposedly negative cats have turned up positive later, but in none of those cases was the negative result ever verified. i know that in two households, mine and at the sanctuary, with all cats supposedly negative, we've found out later that SOMEONE was actually positive, when cats got sick. also according to the winn feline foundation, the new FeLV vaccines are about 95% effective. (like gloria, i really don't like to think about where they are coming up with the statistics, and what they're doing to our cats to do so.) however, anyone with experience with FeLVs in large numbers has questioned the 85% efficacy rate of the vaccine for a long time, in light of the high percentage of UNVACCINATED cats who throw off the virus, and the fact that vaccinated cats living with positives stay negative. i've questioned whether or not that 85% if just among kittens, frail elders, and other compromised populations thanks for the links, hideyo! -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org http://www.rescuties.org/ Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/carolinehttp://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com http://www.goodsearch.com/- powered by Yahoo!
Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge
the intranasal one, hideyo? On 6/29/07, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: by the way, did you know there is a now new type of felk vaccine, much safer than traditional ones -- I will get the name if you guys are not already aware of this. - Original Message - *From:* MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Friday, June 29, 2007 10:08 AM *Subject:* Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge right, this 2/3 figure seems to be what's being used most often. winn feline foundation has new position papers out on FIV/FeLV/FIP, and that's what on theirs. http://www.winnfelinehealth.org HOWEVER, i know that i saw that 70% figure in a number of places, and it annoys me that i can't find it now. re: vaccinated cats' immunity, as far as anyone i've heard of can tell, there are NO, zip, zilch, nada, eppes documented cases of a vaccinated TRUE NEGATIVE (ie, retested after the 120 days necessary) who has ever turned positive from living with a true, retested positive. we all know of cases where supposedly negative cats have turned up positive later, but in none of those cases was the negative result ever verified. i know that in two households, mine and at the sanctuary, with all cats supposedly negative, we've found out later that SOMEONE was actually positive, when cats got sick. also according to the winn feline foundation, the new FeLV vaccines are about 95% effective. (like gloria, i really don't like to think about where they are coming up with the statistics, and what they're doing to our cats to do so.) however, anyone with experience with FeLVs in large numbers has questioned the 85% efficacy rate of the vaccine for a long time, in light of the high percentage of UNVACCINATED cats who throw off the virus, and the fact that vaccinated cats living with positives stay negative. i've questioned whether or not that 85% if just among kittens, frail elders, and other compromised populations thanks for the links, hideyo! -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge
Can you get it for me just in case my vet does not knowhe keeps up on things..occasionally I can surprise him, like when I found the flourescine dye protocol for telling which kitty is peeing outside the box...but when I asked him about interferon for Suzie he said he already had her on the human..(I know the feline is better but he had her on the human without even being asked). On 6/29/07, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: by the way, did you know there is a now new type of felk vaccine, much safer than traditional ones -- I will get the name if you guys are not already aware of this. - Original Message - *From:* MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Friday, June 29, 2007 10:08 AM *Subject:* Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge right, this 2/3 figure seems to be what's being used most often. winn feline foundation has new position papers out on FIV/FeLV/FIP, and that's what on theirs. http://www.winnfelinehealth.org HOWEVER, i know that i saw that 70% figure in a number of places, and it annoys me that i can't find it now. re: vaccinated cats' immunity, as far as anyone i've heard of can tell, there are NO, zip, zilch, nada, eppes documented cases of a vaccinated TRUE NEGATIVE (ie, retested after the 120 days necessary) who has ever turned positive from living with a true, retested positive. we all know of cases where supposedly negative cats have turned up positive later, but in none of those cases was the negative result ever verified. i know that in two households, mine and at the sanctuary, with all cats supposedly negative, we've found out later that SOMEONE was actually positive, when cats got sick. also according to the winn feline foundation, the new FeLV vaccines are about 95% effective. (like gloria, i really don't like to think about where they are coming up with the statistics, and what they're doing to our cats to do so.) however, anyone with experience with FeLVs in large numbers has questioned the 85% efficacy rate of the vaccine for a long time, in light of the high percentage of UNVACCINATED cats who throw off the virus, and the fact that vaccinated cats living with positives stay negative. i've questioned whether or not that 85% if just among kittens, frail elders, and other compromised populations thanks for the links, hideyo! -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge
yeah, but all of those are not clear, exposure, infection, clearing the virus... but they could be the ones that were initially referenced On 6/29/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I counted up the percentages in Hideyo's list and they added up to 70%. K On 6/29/07, MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: right, this 2/3 figure seems to be what's being used most often. winn feline foundation has new position papers out on FIV/FeLV/FIP, and that's what on theirs. http://www.winnfelinehealth.org HOWEVER, i know that i saw that 70% figure in a number of places, and it annoys me that i can't find it now. re: vaccinated cats' immunity, as far as anyone i've heard of can tell, there are NO, zip, zilch, nada, eppes documented cases of a vaccinated TRUE NEGATIVE (ie, retested after the 120 days necessary) who has ever turned positive from living with a true, retested positive. we all know of cases where supposedly negative cats have turned up positive later, but in none of those cases was the negative result ever verified. i know that in two households, mine and at the sanctuary, with all cats supposedly negative, we've found out later that SOMEONE was actually positive, when cats got sick. also according to the winn feline foundation, the new FeLV vaccines are about 95% effective. (like gloria, i really don't like to think about where they are coming up with the statistics, and what they're doing to our cats to do so.) however, anyone with experience with FeLVs in large numbers has questioned the 85% efficacy rate of the vaccine for a long time, in light of the high percentage of UNVACCINATED cats who throw off the virus, and the fact that vaccinated cats living with positives stay negative. i've questioned whether or not that 85% if just among kittens, frail elders, and other compromised populations thanks for the links, hideyo! -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge
Sure -- I don't know if it's commercially available right now,, as the pharmaceutical company came over to my vet office to do some test/sample on clinic kitties.. I will get the names for you, though. - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveikamailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 10:17 AM Subject: Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge Can you get it for me just in case my vet does not knowhe keeps up on things..occasionally I can surprise him, like when I found the flourescine dye protocol for telling which kitty is peeing outside the box...but when I asked him about interferon for Suzie he said he already had her on the human..(I know the feline is better but he had her on the human without even being asked). On 6/29/07, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: by the way, did you know there is a now new type of felk vaccine, much safer than traditional ones -- I will get the name if you guys are not already aware of this. - Original Message - From: MaryChristinemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 10:08 AM Subject: Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge right, this 2/3 figure seems to be what's being used most often. winn feline foundation has new position papers out on FIV/FeLV/FIP, and that's what on theirs. http://www.winnfelinehealth.org HOWEVER, i know that i saw that 70% figure in a number of places, and it annoys me that i can't find it now. re: vaccinated cats' immunity, as far as anyone i've heard of can tell, there are NO, zip, zilch, nada, eppes documented cases of a vaccinated TRUE NEGATIVE (ie, retested after the 120 days necessary) who has ever turned positive from living with a true, retested positive. we all know of cases where supposedly negative cats have turned up positive later, but in none of those cases was the negative result ever verified. i know that in two households, mine and at the sanctuary, with all cats supposedly negative, we've found out later that SOMEONE was actually positive, when cats got sick. also according to the winn feline foundation, the new FeLV vaccines are about 95% effective. (like gloria, i really don't like to think about where they are coming up with the statistics, and what they're doing to our cats to do so.) however, anyone with experience with FeLVs in large numbers has questioned the 85% efficacy rate of the vaccine for a long time, in light of the high percentage of UNVACCINATED cats who throw off the virus, and the fact that vaccinated cats living with positives stay negative. i've questioned whether or not that 85% if just among kittens, frail elders, and other compromised populations thanks for the links, hideyo! -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.orghttp://www.rescuties.org/ Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/carolinehttp://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com http://www.goodsearch.com/- powered by Yahoo!
Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge
No, I think it's a regular injection type. - Original Message - From: MaryChristinemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 10:15 AM Subject: Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge the intranasal one, hideyo? On 6/29/07, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: by the way, did you know there is a now new type of felk vaccine, much safer than traditional ones -- I will get the name if you guys are not already aware of this. - Original Message - From: MaryChristinemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 10:08 AM Subject: Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge right, this 2/3 figure seems to be what's being used most often. winn feline foundation has new position papers out on FIV/FeLV/FIP, and that's what on theirs. http://www.winnfelinehealth.org HOWEVER, i know that i saw that 70% figure in a number of places, and it annoys me that i can't find it now. re: vaccinated cats' immunity, as far as anyone i've heard of can tell, there are NO, zip, zilch, nada, eppes documented cases of a vaccinated TRUE NEGATIVE (ie, retested after the 120 days necessary) who has ever turned positive from living with a true, retested positive. we all know of cases where supposedly negative cats have turned up positive later, but in none of those cases was the negative result ever verified. i know that in two households, mine and at the sanctuary, with all cats supposedly negative, we've found out later that SOMEONE was actually positive, when cats got sick. also according to the winn feline foundation, the new FeLV vaccines are about 95% effective. (like gloria, i really don't like to think about where they are coming up with the statistics, and what they're doing to our cats to do so.) however, anyone with experience with FeLVs in large numbers has questioned the 85% efficacy rate of the vaccine for a long time, in light of the high percentage of UNVACCINATED cats who throw off the virus, and the fact that vaccinated cats living with positives stay negative. i've questioned whether or not that 85% if just among kittens, frail elders, and other compromised populations thanks for the links, hideyo! -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge
To make it simpler - you just have to eliminate the percentagae of this category from 100% 30% of adult cats will become persistently infected; these cats will not develop an adequate immune response and will remain permanently infected with FeLV. These are the cats who will become ill and die of FeLV-related diseases, usually within 2-3 years of infection. These cats will shed large amounts of virus in their saliva. - Original Message - From: MaryChristinemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 10:17 AM Subject: Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge yeah, but all of those are not clear, exposure, infection, clearing the virus... but they could be the ones that were initially referenced On 6/29/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I counted up the percentages in Hideyo's list and they added up to 70%. K On 6/29/07, MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: right, this 2/3 figure seems to be what's being used most often. winn feline foundation has new position papers out on FIV/FeLV/FIP, and that's what on theirs. http://www.winnfelinehealth.org http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/ HOWEVER, i know that i saw that 70% figure in a number of places, and it annoys me that i can't find it now. re: vaccinated cats' immunity, as far as anyone i've heard of can tell, there are NO, zip, zilch, nada, eppes documented cases of a vaccinated TRUE NEGATIVE (ie, retested after the 120 days necessary) who has ever turned positive from living with a true, retested positive. we all know of cases where supposedly negative cats have turned up positive later, but in none of those cases was the negative result ever verified. i know that in two households, mine and at the sanctuary, with all cats supposedly negative, we've found out later that SOMEONE was actually positive, when cats got sick. also according to the winn feline foundation, the new FeLV vaccines are about 95% effective. (like gloria, i really don't like to think about where they are coming up with the statistics, and what they're doing to our cats to do so.) however, anyone with experience with FeLVs in large numbers has questioned the 85% efficacy rate of the vaccine for a long time, in light of the high percentage of UNVACCINATED cats who throw off the virus, and the fact that vaccinated cats living with positives stay negative. i've questioned whether or not that 85% if just among kittens, frail elders, and other compromised populations thanks for the links, hideyo! -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org http://www.rescuties.org/ Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/carolinehttp://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com http://www.goodsearch.com/- powered by Yahoo! -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge
great--whatever info we can share that's accurate is always good! On 6/29/07, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, I think it's a regular injection type. - Original Message - *From:* MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Friday, June 29, 2007 10:15 AM *Subject:* Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge the intranasal one, hideyo? On 6/29/07, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: by the way, did you know there is a now new type of felk vaccine, much safer than traditional ones -- I will get the name if you guys are not already aware of this. - Original Message - *From:* MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Friday, June 29, 2007 10:08 AM *Subject:* Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge right, this 2/3 figure seems to be what's being used most often. winn feline foundation has new position papers out on FIV/FeLV/FIP, and that's what on theirs. http://www.winnfelinehealth.org HOWEVER, i know that i saw that 70% figure in a number of places, and it annoys me that i can't find it now. re: vaccinated cats' immunity, as far as anyone i've heard of can tell, there are NO, zip, zilch, nada, eppes documented cases of a vaccinated TRUE NEGATIVE (ie, retested after the 120 days necessary) who has ever turned positive from living with a true, retested positive. we all know of cases where supposedly negative cats have turned up positive later, but in none of those cases was the negative result ever verified. i know that in two households, mine and at the sanctuary, with all cats supposedly negative, we've found out later that SOMEONE was actually positive, when cats got sick. also according to the winn feline foundation, the new FeLV vaccines are about 95% effective. (like gloria, i really don't like to think about where they are coming up with the statistics, and what they're doing to our cats to do so.) however, anyone with experience with FeLVs in large numbers has questioned the 85% efficacy rate of the vaccine for a long time, in light of the high percentage of UNVACCINATED cats who throw off the virus, and the fact that vaccinated cats living with positives stay negative. i've questioned whether or not that 85% if just among kittens, frail elders, and other compromised populations thanks for the links, hideyo! -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge
If it is that new he is not using it. He uses Meiral. Also the free spay/neuter clinic, where I get my rescue kitties inoculated, uses Meiral. I used to use Dr Samon for injections for all the kittes..but then he doubled his prices...ouch ouch. On 6/29/07, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sure -- I don't know if it's commercially available right now,, as the pharmaceutical company came over to my vet office to do some test/sample on clinic kitties.. I will get the names for you, though. - Original Message - *From:* Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Friday, June 29, 2007 10:17 AM *Subject:* Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge Can you get it for me just in case my vet does not knowhe keeps up on things..occasionally I can surprise him, like when I found the flourescine dye protocol for telling which kitty is peeing outside the box...but when I asked him about interferon for Suzie he said he already had her on the human..(I know the feline is better but he had her on the human without even being asked). On 6/29/07, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: by the way, did you know there is a now new type of felk vaccine, much safer than traditional ones -- I will get the name if you guys are not already aware of this. - Original Message - *From:* MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Friday, June 29, 2007 10:08 AM *Subject:* Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge right, this 2/3 figure seems to be what's being used most often. winn feline foundation has new position papers out on FIV/FeLV/FIP, and that's what on theirs. http://www.winnfelinehealth.org HOWEVER, i know that i saw that 70% figure in a number of places, and it annoys me that i can't find it now. re: vaccinated cats' immunity, as far as anyone i've heard of can tell, there are NO, zip, zilch, nada, eppes documented cases of a vaccinated TRUE NEGATIVE (ie, retested after the 120 days necessary) who has ever turned positive from living with a true, retested positive. we all know of cases where supposedly negative cats have turned up positive later, but in none of those cases was the negative result ever verified. i know that in two households, mine and at the sanctuary, with all cats supposedly negative, we've found out later that SOMEONE was actually positive, when cats got sick. also according to the winn feline foundation, the new FeLV vaccines are about 95% effective. (like gloria, i really don't like to think about where they are coming up with the statistics, and what they're doing to our cats to do so.) however, anyone with experience with FeLVs in large numbers has questioned the 85% efficacy rate of the vaccine for a long time, in light of the high percentage of UNVACCINATED cats who throw off the virus, and the fact that vaccinated cats living with positives stay negative. i've questioned whether or not that 85% if just among kittens, frail elders, and other compromised populations thanks for the links, hideyo! -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge
right, this 2/3 figure seems to be what's being used most often. winn feline foundation has new position papers out on FIV/FeLV/FIP, and that's what on theirs. http://www.winnfelinehealth.org HOWEVER, i know that i saw that 70% figure in a number of places, and it annoys me that i can't find it now. re: vaccinated cats' immunity, as far as anyone i've heard of can tell, there are NO, zip, zilch, nada, eppes documented cases of a vaccinated TRUE NEGATIVE (ie, retested after the 120 days necessary) who has ever turned positive from living with a true, retested positive. we all know of cases where supposedly negative cats have turned up positive later, but in none of those cases was the negative result ever verified. i know that in two households, mine and at the sanctuary, with all cats supposedly negative, we've found out later that SOMEONE was actually positive, when cats got sick. also according to the winn feline foundation, the new FeLV vaccines are about 95% effective. (like gloria, i really don't like to think about where they are coming up with the statistics, and what they're doing to our cats to do so.) however, anyone with experience with FeLVs in large numbers has questioned the 85% efficacy rate of the vaccine for a long time, in light of the high percentage of UNVACCINATED cats who throw off the virus, and the fact that vaccinated cats living with positives stay negative. i've questioned whether or not that 85% if just among kittens, frail elders, and other compromised populations thanks for the links, hideyo! -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge
Meiral is supposed to be good - do they use killed vaccine? I here that we should always use Killed version especially for Felk to be safe. - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveikamailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 10:27 AM Subject: Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge If it is that new he is not using it. He uses Meiral. Also the free spay/neuter clinic, where I get my rescue kitties inoculated, uses Meiral. I used to use Dr Samon for injections for all the kittes..but then he doubled his prices...ouch ouch. On 6/29/07, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sure -- I don't know if it's commercially available right now,, as the pharmaceutical company came over to my vet office to do some test/sample on clinic kitties.. I will get the names for you, though. - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveikamailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 10:17 AM Subject: Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge Can you get it for me just in case my vet does not knowhe keeps up on things..occasionally I can surprise him, like when I found the flourescine dye protocol for telling which kitty is peeing outside the box...but when I asked him about interferon for Suzie he said he already had her on the human..(I know the feline is better but he had her on the human without even being asked). On 6/29/07, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: by the way, did you know there is a now new type of felk vaccine, much safer than traditional ones -- I will get the name if you guys are not already aware of this. - Original Message - From: MaryChristinemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 10:08 AM Subject: Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge right, this 2/3 figure seems to be what's being used most often. winn feline foundation has new position papers out on FIV/FeLV/FIP, and that's what on theirs. http://www.winnfelinehealth.org HOWEVER, i know that i saw that 70% figure in a number of places, and it annoys me that i can't find it now. re: vaccinated cats' immunity, as far as anyone i've heard of can tell, there are NO, zip, zilch, nada, eppes documented cases of a vaccinated TRUE NEGATIVE (ie, retested after the 120 days necessary) who has ever turned positive from living with a true, retested positive. we all know of cases where supposedly negative cats have turned up positive later, but in none of those cases was the negative result ever verified. i know that in two households, mine and at the sanctuary, with all cats supposedly negative, we've found out later that SOMEONE was actually positive, when cats got sick. also according to the winn feline foundation, the new FeLV vaccines are about 95% effective. (like gloria, i really don't like to think about where they are coming up with the statistics, and what they're doing to our cats to do so.) however, anyone with experience with FeLVs in large numbers has questioned the 85% efficacy rate of the vaccine for a long time, in light of the high percentage of UNVACCINATED cats who throw off the virus, and the fact that vaccinated cats living with positives stay negative. i've questioned whether or not that 85% if just among kittens, frail elders, and other compromised populations thanks for the links, hideyo! -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.orghttp://www.rescuties.org/ Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/carolinehttp://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com http://www.goodsearch.com/- powered by Yahoo! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.orghttp://www.rescuties.org/ Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/carolinehttp://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch
Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge
I am not sure if it is killed or not, Hideyo. I'm trying to find out, but haven't found anything so far. I know my vet prefers them to Ft Dodge Most rescuers use Ft Dodge, they are cheaper... On 6/29/07, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Meiral is supposed to be good - do they use killed vaccine? I here that we should always use Killed version especially for Felk to be safe. - Original Message - *From:* Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Friday, June 29, 2007 10:27 AM *Subject:* Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge If it is that new he is not using it. He uses Meiral. Also the free spay/neuter clinic, where I get my rescue kitties inoculated, uses Meiral. I used to use Dr Samon for injections for all the kittes..but then he doubled his prices...ouch ouch. On 6/29/07, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sure -- I don't know if it's commercially available right now,, as the pharmaceutical company came over to my vet office to do some test/sample on clinic kitties.. I will get the names for you, though. - Original Message - *From:* Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Friday, June 29, 2007 10:17 AM *Subject:* Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge Can you get it for me just in case my vet does not knowhe keeps up on things..occasionally I can surprise him, like when I found the flourescine dye protocol for telling which kitty is peeing outside the box...but when I asked him about interferon for Suzie he said he already had her on the human..(I know the feline is better but he had her on the human without even being asked). On 6/29/07, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: by the way, did you know there is a now new type of felk vaccine, much safer than traditional ones -- I will get the name if you guys are not already aware of this. - Original Message - *From:* MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Friday, June 29, 2007 10:08 AM *Subject:* Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge right, this 2/3 figure seems to be what's being used most often. winn feline foundation has new position papers out on FIV/FeLV/FIP, and that's what on theirs. http://www.winnfelinehealth.org HOWEVER, i know that i saw that 70% figure in a number of places, and it annoys me that i can't find it now. re: vaccinated cats' immunity, as far as anyone i've heard of can tell, there are NO, zip, zilch, nada, eppes documented cases of a vaccinated TRUE NEGATIVE (ie, retested after the 120 days necessary) who has ever turned positive from living with a true, retested positive. we all know of cases where supposedly negative cats have turned up positive later, but in none of those cases was the negative result ever verified. i know that in two households, mine and at the sanctuary, with all cats supposedly negative, we've found out later that SOMEONE was actually positive, when cats got sick. also according to the winn feline foundation, the new FeLV vaccines are about 95% effective. (like gloria, i really don't like to think about where they are coming up with the statistics, and what they're doing to our cats to do so.) however, anyone with experience with FeLVs in large numbers has questioned the 85% efficacy rate of the vaccine for a long time, in light of the high percentage of UNVACCINATED cats who throw off the virus, and the fact that vaccinated cats living with positives stay negative. i've questioned whether or not that 85% if just among kittens, frail elders, and other compromised populations thanks for the links, hideyo! -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch
Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge
If I am not wrong, every brand should have modified or killed version -- but am not 100% sure. - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveikamailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 10:44 AM Subject: Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge I am not sure if it is killed or not, Hideyo. I'm trying to find out, but haven't found anything so far. I know my vet prefers them to Ft Dodge Most rescuers use Ft Dodge, they are cheaper... On 6/29/07, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Meiral is supposed to be good - do they use killed vaccine? I here that we should always use Killed version especially for Felk to be safe. - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveikamailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 10:27 AM Subject: Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge If it is that new he is not using it. He uses Meiral. Also the free spay/neuter clinic, where I get my rescue kitties inoculated, uses Meiral. I used to use Dr Samon for injections for all the kittes..but then he doubled his prices...ouch ouch. On 6/29/07, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sure -- I don't know if it's commercially available right now,, as the pharmaceutical company came over to my vet office to do some test/sample on clinic kitties.. I will get the names for you, though. - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveikamailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 10:17 AM Subject: Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge Can you get it for me just in case my vet does not knowhe keeps up on things..occasionally I can surprise him, like when I found the flourescine dye protocol for telling which kitty is peeing outside the box...but when I asked him about interferon for Suzie he said he already had her on the human..(I know the feline is better but he had her on the human without even being asked). On 6/29/07, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: by the way, did you know there is a now new type of felk vaccine, much safer than traditional ones -- I will get the name if you guys are not already aware of this. - Original Message - From: MaryChristinemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 10:08 AM Subject: Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge right, this 2/3 figure seems to be what's being used most often. winn feline foundation has new position papers out on FIV/FeLV/FIP, and that's what on theirs. http://www.winnfelinehealth.org HOWEVER, i know that i saw that 70% figure in a number of places, and it annoys me that i can't find it now. re: vaccinated cats' immunity, as far as anyone i've heard of can tell, there are NO, zip, zilch, nada, eppes documented cases of a vaccinated TRUE NEGATIVE (ie, retested after the 120 days necessary) who has ever turned positive from living with a true, retested positive. we all know of cases where supposedly negative cats have turned up positive later, but in none of those cases was the negative result ever verified. i know that in two households, mine and at the sanctuary, with all cats supposedly negative, we've found out later that SOMEONE was actually positive, when cats got sick. also according to the winn feline foundation, the new FeLV vaccines are about 95% effective. (like gloria, i really don't like to think about where they are coming up with the statistics, and what they're doing to our cats to do so.) however, anyone with experience with FeLVs in large numbers has questioned the 85% efficacy rate of the vaccine for a long time, in light of the high percentage of UNVACCINATED cats who throw off the virus, and the fact that vaccinated cats living with positives stay negative. i've questioned whether or not that 85% if just among kittens, frail elders, and other compromised populations thanks for the links, hideyo! -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.orghttp://www.rescuties.org
Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge
Hi I checked the Merck Vet manual online and it has this information http://www.merckvetmanual.com/mvm/index.jsp?cfile=htm/bc/57000.htmword=feline%2cleukemia Sally On 6/29/07, MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: right, this 2/3 figure seems to be what's being used most often. winn feline foundation has new position papers out on FIV/FeLV/FIP, and that's what on theirs. http://www.winnfelinehealth.org HOWEVER, i know that i saw that 70% figure in a number of places, and it annoys me that i can't find it now. re: vaccinated cats' immunity, as far as anyone i've heard of can tell, there are NO, zip, zilch, nada, eppes documented cases of a vaccinated TRUE NEGATIVE (ie, retested after the 120 days necessary) who has ever turned positive from living with a true, retested positive. we all know of cases where supposedly negative cats have turned up positive later, but in none of those cases was the negative result ever verified. i know that in two households, mine and at the sanctuary, with all cats supposedly negative, we've found out later that SOMEONE was actually positive, when cats got sick. also according to the winn feline foundation, the new FeLV vaccines are about 95% effective. (like gloria, i really don't like to think about where they are coming up with the statistics, and what they're doing to our cats to do so.) however, anyone with experience with FeLVs in large numbers has questioned the 85% efficacy rate of the vaccine for a long time, in light of the high percentage of UNVACCINATED cats who throw off the virus, and the fact that vaccinated cats living with positives stay negative. i've questioned whether or not that 85% if just among kittens, frail elders, and other compromised populations thanks for the links, hideyo! -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 -- Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior, Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Silver, and Spike Visit my BB for some pictures post your as well. http://www.k6az.net/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3
Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge
merial vaccines are more pricey, but are considered by many vets to be of the highest quality. On 6/29/07, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I am not wrong, every brand should have modified or killed version -- but am not 100% sure. - Original Message - *From:* Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Friday, June 29, 2007 10:44 AM *Subject:* Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge I am not sure if it is killed or not, Hideyo. I'm trying to find out, but haven't found anything so far. I know my vet prefers them to Ft Dodge Most rescuers use Ft Dodge, they are cheaper... On 6/29/07, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Meiral is supposed to be good - do they use killed vaccine? I here that we should always use Killed version especially for Felk to be safe. - Original Message - *From:* Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Friday, June 29, 2007 10:27 AM *Subject:* Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge If it is that new he is not using it. He uses Meiral. Also the free spay/neuter clinic, where I get my rescue kitties inoculated, uses Meiral. I used to use Dr Samon for injections for all the kittes..but then he doubled his prices...ouch ouch. On 6/29/07, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sure -- I don't know if it's commercially available right now,, as the pharmaceutical company came over to my vet office to do some test/sample on clinic kitties.. I will get the names for you, though. - Original Message - *From:* Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Friday, June 29, 2007 10:17 AM *Subject:* Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge Can you get it for me just in case my vet does not knowhe keeps up on things..occasionally I can surprise him, like when I found the flourescine dye protocol for telling which kitty is peeing outside the box...but when I asked him about interferon for Suzie he said he already had her on the human..(I know the feline is better but he had her on the human without even being asked). On 6/29/07, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: by the way, did you know there is a now new type of felk vaccine, much safer than traditional ones -- I will get the name if you guys are not already aware of this. - Original Message - *From:* MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Friday, June 29, 2007 10:08 AM *Subject:* Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge right, this 2/3 figure seems to be what's being used most often. winn feline foundation has new position papers out on FIV/FeLV/FIP, and that's what on theirs. http://www.winnfelinehealth.org HOWEVER, i know that i saw that 70% figure in a number of places, and it annoys me that i can't find it now. re: vaccinated cats' immunity, as far as anyone i've heard of can tell, there are NO, zip, zilch, nada, eppes documented cases of a vaccinated TRUE NEGATIVE (ie, retested after the 120 days necessary) who has ever turned positive from living with a true, retested positive. we all know of cases where supposedly negative cats have turned up positive later, but in none of those cases was the negative result ever verified. i know that in two households, mine and at the sanctuary, with all cats supposedly negative, we've found out later that SOMEONE was actually positive, when cats got sick. also according to the winn feline foundation, the new FeLV vaccines are about 95% effective. (like gloria, i really don't like to think about where they are coming up with the statistics, and what they're doing to our cats to do so.) however, anyone with experience with FeLVs in large numbers has questioned the 85% efficacy rate of the vaccine for a long time, in light of the high percentage of UNVACCINATED cats who throw off the virus, and the fact that vaccinated cats living with positives stay negative. i've questioned whether or not that 85% if just among kittens, frail elders, and other compromised populations thanks for the links, hideyo! -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http
Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge
THANKS, SALLY! damn, one of the things i hate about the merck is that it changes every time you read it! years ago, in the printed version, it talked about research that showed that at least one cat had continued to test positive on the IFA for eight months before going negative, but then they took that reference out. so i've never been able to find it again. and i KNOW that the ~70% figure wasn't right up there last time i looked--and, if you read through the whole thing, they've added back info saying that the IFA results can stay unchanged for up to six months. but this is DEFINITELY a reference we all need to keep handy. On 6/29/07, Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi I checked the Merck Vet manual online and it has this information http://www.merckvetmanual.com/mvm/index.jsp?cfile=htm/bc/57000.htmword=feline%2cleukemia Sally On 6/29/07, MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: right, this 2/3 figure seems to be what's being used most often. winn feline foundation has new position papers out on FIV/FeLV/FIP, and that's what on theirs. http://www.winnfelinehealth.org HOWEVER, i know that i saw that 70% figure in a number of places, and it annoys me that i can't find it now. re: vaccinated cats' immunity, as far as anyone i've heard of can tell, there are NO, zip, zilch, nada, eppes documented cases of a vaccinated TRUE NEGATIVE (ie, retested after the 120 days necessary) who has ever turned positive from living with a true, retested positive. we all know of cases where supposedly negative cats have turned up positive later, but in none of those cases was the negative result ever verified. i know that in two households, mine and at the sanctuary, with all cats supposedly negative, we've found out later that SOMEONE was actually positive, when cats got sick. also according to the winn feline foundation, the new FeLV vaccines are about 95% effective. (like gloria, i really don't like to think about where they are coming up with the statistics, and what they're doing to our cats to do so.) however, anyone with experience with FeLVs in large numbers has questioned the 85% efficacy rate of the vaccine for a long time, in light of the high percentage of UNVACCINATED cats who throw off the virus, and the fact that vaccinated cats living with positives stay negative. i've questioned whether or not that 85% if just among kittens, frail elders, and other compromised populations thanks for the links, hideyo! -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 -- Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior, Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Silver, and Spike Visit my BB for some pictures post your as well. http://www.k6az.net/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3 -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Suzie crossed the bridge
Kelley, Gentle Bridge vibes to Suzie. I am sorry she didn't come out of her coma. Please try not to blame yourself. The fact that these kitties come to you already compromised, might be the problem, rather than anything you are doing. Take care, Gina Beth Noren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh Kelley, I am so sorry for your loss, I just finished responding to your other email and then saw this one. Please don't put the blame on yourself for trying to rescue too many. Look instead at how many lives you have saved. Add them up. Our local Humane Society euthanized almost 28,000 animals in 2002. We are all getting the emails showing whole families of cats about to go to the gas chamber. You are doing good in the face of a horribly frustrating problem of overpopulation. If some of yours are succumbing to stress, it is the owners who surrendered that are responsible for causing the stress, not you! Beth On 6/28/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: She was a sweet girl who liked to sit in laps, but didn't like other cats much. She was positive for FIP. Dr Samon euthanized her this morning. I wish I had been there, but they said she was comatose.. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! Visit my Tigger Tales site! - Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase.
Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge (MaryChristine)
am really new to this whole situation. Adopted an abandoned tuxie and at 9 months he just got sick. 2 days later he was in massive shock and unable to survive much more. My vet put him down while I held him. He told me he tested positive for Felv. I then brought in my others a 3 year old and a 4 year old. My 4 year old female is negative. My 3 year old male is positive. I have had both since they were kittens and they have always received all vaccinations yearly. I brought a kitten in that was a mess and he spent a week at the vet just trying to save him. He did initially test negative for Felv. He had also received his shots. I don't know what to think, but I am living proof you can vaccinate your cats for years and they can contract this virus. My boy is doing well now. He seems perfectly healthy. I don't know much about this virus but I have learned that vaccinations do not always work. Elizabeth
Suzie crossed the bridge
She was a sweet girl who liked to sit in laps, but didn't like other cats much. She was positive for FIP. Dr Samon euthanized her this morning. I wish I had been there, but they said she was comatose.. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
Re: Suzie crossed the bridge
Kelley - I am so sorry - it's just so sad - I wish you could have been there with her, too. Please know that she is no longer in pain and free from the body which did not allow her to do all the things she wanted to do -- now she is free - nothing is going to prevent her from being happy and healthy again. Much love to you and Angel Suzie. hideyo - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveikamailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalkmailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 7:37 AM Subject: Suzie crossed the bridge She was a sweet girl who liked to sit in laps, but didn't like other cats much. She was positive for FIP. Dr Samon euthanized her this morning. I wish I had been there, but they said she was comatose.. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.orghttp://www.rescuties.org/ Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/carolinehttp://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.comhttp://www.goodsearch.com/ - powered by Yahoo!
Re: Suzie crossed the bridge
I just really didn't think she had FIP...she was just 5... On 6/28/07, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kelley - I am so sorry - it's just so sad - I wish you could have been there with her, too. Please know that she is no longer in pain and free from the body which did not allow her to do all the things she wanted to do -- now she is free - nothing is going to prevent her from being happy and healthy again. Much love to you and Angel Suzie. hideyo - Original Message - *From:* Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Thursday, June 28, 2007 7:37 AM *Subject:* Suzie crossed the bridge She was a sweet girl who liked to sit in laps, but didn't like other cats much. She was positive for FIP. Dr Samon euthanized her this morning. I wish I had been there, but they said she was comatose.. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
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I'm so sorry... she sounds like a wonderful friend. Sleep soft sweet Suzie. Gloria On Jun 28, 2007, at 8:37 AM, Kelley Saveika wrote: She was a sweet girl who liked to sit in laps, but didn't like other cats much. She was positive for FIP. Dr Samon euthanized her this morning. I wish I had been there, but they said she was comatose.. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
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She loved tortillas..she would try to steal them from me.. On 6/28/07, Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm so sorry... she sounds like a wonderful friend. Sleep soft sweet Suzie. Gloria On Jun 28, 2007, at 8:37 AM, Kelley Saveika wrote: She was a sweet girl who liked to sit in laps, but didn't like other cats much. She was positive for FIP. Dr Samon euthanized her this morning. I wish I had been there, but they said she was comatose.. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
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I understand - I agree with you - it seems very very unusal - after you mentioned her age, I was skeptical of the idea that she had FIP -are you thinking of doing any further findings to see what caused her illness? - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveikamailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 7:44 AM Subject: Re: Suzie crossed the bridge I just really didn't think she had FIP...she was just 5... On 6/28/07, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kelley - I am so sorry - it's just so sad - I wish you could have been there with her, too. Please know that she is no longer in pain and free from the body which did not allow her to do all the things she wanted to do -- now she is free - nothing is going to prevent her from being happy and healthy again. Much love to you and Angel Suzie. hideyo - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveikamailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalkmailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 7:37 AM Subject: Suzie crossed the bridge She was a sweet girl who liked to sit in laps, but didn't like other cats much. She was positive for FIP. Dr Samon euthanized her this morning. I wish I had been there, but they said she was comatose.. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.orghttp://www.rescuties.org/ Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/carolinehttp://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.comhttp://www.goodsearch.com/ - powered by Yahoo! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.orghttp://www.rescuties.org/ Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/carolinehttp://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com http://www.goodsearch.com/- powered by Yahoo!
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I'm so very sorry, Kelly. Hugs to you. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 8:38 AM To: felvtalk Subject: Suzie crossed the bridge She was a sweet girl who liked to sit in laps, but didn't like other cats much. She was positive for FIP. Dr Samon euthanized her this morning. I wish I had been there, but they said she was comatose.. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties.
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Kelly, I am so sorry. I wish I could say something profound to take away your pain. May God bless you, and Suzie...who is free and happy at this moment. Dede and Ki --- Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: She was a sweet girl who liked to sit in laps, but didn't like other cats much. She was positive for FIP. Dr Samon euthanized her this morning. I wish I had been there, but they said she was comatose.. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7
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I'm thinking, Hideyo. Stress can bring on FIP, right? We have Joey, who was 10, and an owner surrender. We have Lucky Lady, who is 12 and was an owner surrender and I don't think will live much longer. We have Caroline, who is 5 and an owner surrender. We have Suzie, who was 5 and a stray, but from how affectionate she was and the fact she was spayed already, she was clearly someone's cat. I think it is some kind of stress related illness. I don't think it is bleach or cleaning stuff or asbestos. I think something is stressing these cats badly enough to kill them. I tried to save too many and I'm killing them instead. I do have another old cat who seems ok..but he came from outside...and he is just happy to have a warm place to sleep. The kittens are all ok, except for conjunctivitis.. I just don't know... On 6/28/07, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I understand - I agree with you - it seems very very unusal - after you mentioned her age, I was skeptical of the idea that she had FIP -are you thinking of doing any further findings to see what caused her illness? - Original Message - *From:* Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Thursday, June 28, 2007 7:44 AM *Subject:* Re: Suzie crossed the bridge I just really didn't think she had FIP...she was just 5... On 6/28/07, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kelley - I am so sorry - it's just so sad - I wish you could have been there with her, too. Please know that she is no longer in pain and free from the body which did not allow her to do all the things she wanted to do -- now she is free - nothing is going to prevent her from being happy and healthy again. Much love to you and Angel Suzie. hideyo - Original Message - *From:* Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Thursday, June 28, 2007 7:37 AM *Subject:* Suzie crossed the bridge She was a sweet girl who liked to sit in laps, but didn't like other cats much. She was positive for FIP. Dr Samon euthanized her this morning. I wish I had been there, but they said she was comatose.. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
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Kelley. I;m very sorry Suzie didn't make it, I wish she could have had longer with you. Are you having a necropsy done to confirm the FIP diagnosis? I personally would to be sure that's what it was and especially for peace of mind. Maybe the vet would do it free of charge or for a discount to see if that's what was going on, I would think he would be curious. No matter what any vet say's there is no test that is reliable or accurate for FIP, only a necropsy can confirm it 100%. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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Belinda, I'm not sure I can afford it to be bluntly honest. I still owe $200 on Caroline and this was probably $1k more for Suzie..I haven't even asked and quite frankly do not want to know. I have to think about what is going to happen if another cat gets sick and I have spent money on a necropsy for Suzie and I can't afford to treat the sick one. She was in a coma this morning and he didn't feel she would come out. I think he euthanized her more due to that than due to the test result. (And yall I am not begging for money..yall have been more than generous...I am just venting..) On 6/28/07, Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kelley. I;m very sorry Suzie didn't make it, I wish she could have had longer with you. Are you having a necropsy done to confirm the FIP diagnosis? I personally would to be sure that's what it was and especially for peace of mind. Maybe the vet would do it free of charge or for a discount to see if that's what was going on, I would think he would be curious. No matter what any vet say's there is no test that is reliable or accurate for FIP, only a necropsy can confirm it 100%. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
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You don't think your vet would do it as a courtesy to find out what is going on. If it isn't FIP there is the possibility of maybe being able to treat the others that are coming down with unknown aliments. If it is FIP then you know for sure you have done all that is possible. Not trying to be mean or make you feel bad, but it just bugs the h*ll out of me when vets say FIP and stop looking or treating. Maybe my vet was just more curious and wanted to learn more than others, she always did necropsies on my guys for free to see if she missed anything that may help the next patient. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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Kelly, You are right about the stress. We had an owner surrender at our shelter in Fl. He was 5 yrs old, and had never known anyone else. He just sat on top of a cabinet and literally tried to starve. We took him home, and he is OK except for severe stomatitis. Clearly, it can affect the immune system. The other issue we ran into last year was Panleuk. It was a virulent strain. 100's of cats died in good shelters. In each case, a rescue cat brought it in. It was the worst esperience of my life, burying 40+ cats from this one group. It broke my heart. I know your funds are shot, but a necropsy with a tox screen might help you. Dede and Ki --- Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm thinking, Hideyo. Stress can bring on FIP, right? We have Joey, who was 10, and an owner surrender. We have Lucky Lady, who is 12 and was an owner surrender and I don't think will live much longer. We have Caroline, who is 5 and an owner surrender. We have Suzie, who was 5 and a stray, but from how affectionate she was and the fact she was spayed already, she was clearly someone's cat. I think it is some kind of stress related illness. I don't think it is bleach or cleaning stuff or asbestos. I think something is stressing these cats badly enough to kill them. I tried to save too many and I'm killing them instead. I do have another old cat who seems ok..but he came from outside...and he is just happy to have a warm place to sleep. The kittens are all ok, except for conjunctivitis.. I just don't know... On 6/28/07, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I understand - I agree with you - it seems very very unusal - after you mentioned her age, I was skeptical of the idea that she had FIP -are you thinking of doing any further findings to see what caused her illness? - Original Message - *From:* Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Thursday, June 28, 2007 7:44 AM *Subject:* Re: Suzie crossed the bridge I just really didn't think she had FIP...she was just 5... On 6/28/07, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kelley - I am so sorry - it's just so sad - I wish you could have been there with her, too. Please know that she is no longer in pain and free from the body which did not allow her to do all the things she wanted to do -- now she is free - nothing is going to prevent her from being happy and healthy again. Much love to you and Angel Suzie. hideyo - Original Message - *From:* Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Thursday, June 28, 2007 7:37 AM *Subject:* Suzie crossed the bridge She was a sweet girl who liked to sit in laps, but didn't like other cats much. She was positive for FIP. Dr Samon euthanized her this morning. I wish I had been there, but they said she was comatose.. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/
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She was comatose. I would not dare ask him to do anything as a courtsey, he already does not charge me exam fees on any of my cats...and sometimes he will just take stuff off the bill...but I have never asked. I don't want to ruin the great relationship we have. When he initially suspected FIP, he continued treating. When he came in this morning she was in a coma. I think they just told me the test results as an afterthought. I do not think he thought she would come out of the coma. I cannot afford to maintain a rescue cat in a coma for days or weeks anyway on the slim chance they might come out of it. I know it sucks, but that's the way it is. I wish I could afford to go down every possible avenue for every cat, but even then you get into at what point are you just making them suffer. I'm really worried about Caroline now, considering 3 of the 5 have died and one has cancer. On 6/28/07, Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You don't think your vet would do it as a courtesy to find out what is going on. If it isn't FIP there is the possibility of maybe being able to treat the others that are coming down with unknown aliments. If it is FIP then you know for sure you have done all that is possible. Not trying to be mean or make you feel bad, but it just bugs the h*ll out of me when vets say FIP and stop looking or treating. Maybe my vet was just more curious and wanted to learn more than others, she always did necropsies on my guys for free to see if she missed anything that may help the next patient. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
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Oh Kelley, I am so sorry for your loss, I just finished responding to your other email and then saw this one. Please don't put the blame on yourself for trying to rescue too many. Look instead at how many lives you have saved. Add them up. Our local Humane Society euthanized almost 28,000 animals in 2002. We are all getting the emails showing whole families of cats about to go to the gas chamber. You are doing good in the face of a horribly frustrating problem of overpopulation. If some of yours are succumbing to stress, it is the owners who surrendered that are responsible for causing the stress, not you! Beth On 6/28/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: She was a sweet girl who liked to sit in laps, but didn't like other cats much. She was positive for FIP. Dr Samon euthanized her this morning. I wish I had been there, but they said she was comatose.. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
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Dede, I think it has to be done soon after death...I guess I can ask how much one is. On 6/28/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: She was comatose. I would not dare ask him to do anything as a courtsey, he already does not charge me exam fees on any of my cats...and sometimes he will just take stuff off the bill...but I have never asked. I don't want to ruin the great relationship we have. When he initially suspected FIP, he continued treating. When he came in this morning she was in a coma. I think they just told me the test results as an afterthought. I do not think he thought she would come out of the coma. I cannot afford to maintain a rescue cat in a coma for days or weeks anyway on the slim chance they might come out of it. I know it sucks, but that's the way it is. I wish I could afford to go down every possible avenue for every cat, but even then you get into at what point are you just making them suffer. I'm really worried about Caroline now, considering 3 of the 5 have died and one has cancer. On 6/28/07, Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You don't think your vet would do it as a courtesy to find out what is going on. If it isn't FIP there is the possibility of maybe being able to treat the others that are coming down with unknown aliments. If it is FIP then you know for sure you have done all that is possible. Not trying to be mean or make you feel bad, but it just bugs the h*ll out of me when vets say FIP and stop looking or treating. Maybe my vet was just more curious and wanted to learn more than others, she always did necropsies on my guys for free to see if she missed anything that may help the next patient. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com http://hostdesign4u.com/ BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
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Oh Kelley, I am so sorry. GLOW to light her path and ease your heart. a thought: you should try some RR on yourself too - can't hurt and it might help relax the vibes you're putting off. Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. - Anonymous - Original Message From: Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 8:37:59 AM Subject: Suzie crossed the bridge She was a sweet girl who liked to sit in laps, but didn't like other cats much. She was positive for FIP. Dr Samon euthanized her this morning. I wish I had been there, but they said she was comatose.. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/
Re: Suzie crossed the bridge
I understand kelley - now I was thinking of blood work, I personally it's very unlikely that FIP caused coma, she has very moderate abnormality in her blood work - as mentioned, it did mimic a very beginning of stage of FIP, but all her organs were showing still normal and I did not expect her to be in such a serious condtion so quickly -- usually, from the blood work, liver values will be all elevated by the time she got really sick, but it was not like that with suzi-- did they give her any type of medications at all to cause coma by any chance? - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveikamailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 9:00 AM Subject: Re: Suzie crossed the bridge Belinda, I'm not sure I can afford it to be bluntly honest. I still owe $200 on Caroline and this was probably $1k more for Suzie..I haven't even asked and quite frankly do not want to know. I have to think about what is going to happen if another cat gets sick and I have spent money on a necropsy for Suzie and I can't afford to treat the sick one. She was in a coma this morning and he didn't feel she would come out. I think he euthanized her more due to that than due to the test result. (And yall I am not begging for money..yall have been more than generous...I am just venting..) On 6/28/07, Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kelley. I;m very sorry Suzie didn't make it, I wish she could have had longer with you. Are you having a necropsy done to confirm the FIP diagnosis? I personally would to be sure that's what it was and especially for peace of mind. Maybe the vet would do it free of charge or for a discount to see if that's what was going on, I would think he would be curious. No matter what any vet say's there is no test that is reliable or accurate for FIP, only a necropsy can confirm it 100%. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.comhttp://bemikitties.com/ Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.comhttp://adopt.bemikitties.com/ FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/clshttp://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.comhttp://hostdesign4u.com/ BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.comhttp://bmk.bemikitties.com/ -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.orghttp://www.rescuties.org/ Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/carolinehttp://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.comhttp://www.goodsearch.com/ - powered by Yahoo!
Re: Suzie crossed the bridge
They gave her interferon and an antibiotic...I'm not sure which one, I will ask. I did not expect this *at all*..she was looking around and purring yesterday... On 6/28/07, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I understand kelley - now I was thinking of blood work, I personally it's very unlikely that FIP caused coma, she has very moderate abnormality in her blood work - as mentioned, it did mimic a very beginning of stage of FIP, but all her organs were showing still normal and I did not expect her to be in such a serious condtion so quickly -- usually, from the blood work, liver values will be all elevated by the time she got really sick, but it was not like that with suzi-- did they give her any type of medications at all to cause coma by any chance? - Original Message - *From:* Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Thursday, June 28, 2007 9:00 AM *Subject:* Re: Suzie crossed the bridge Belinda, I'm not sure I can afford it to be bluntly honest. I still owe $200 on Caroline and this was probably $1k more for Suzie..I haven't even asked and quite frankly do not want to know. I have to think about what is going to happen if another cat gets sick and I have spent money on a necropsy for Suzie and I can't afford to treat the sick one. She was in a coma this morning and he didn't feel she would come out. I think he euthanized her more due to that than due to the test result. (And yall I am not begging for money..yall have been more than generous...I am just venting..) On 6/28/07, Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kelley. I;m very sorry Suzie didn't make it, I wish she could have had longer with you. Are you having a necropsy done to confirm the FIP diagnosis? I personally would to be sure that's what it was and especially for peace of mind. Maybe the vet would do it free of charge or for a discount to see if that's what was going on, I would think he would be curious. No matter what any vet say's there is no test that is reliable or accurate for FIP, only a necropsy can confirm it 100%. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com http://hostdesign4u.com/ BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
Re: Suzie crossed the bridge
You mean corona positive (as are most cats at some point in their lives). There is no FIP test and the only way to be certain a cat had FIP is to do a necropsy. Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: She was a sweet girl who liked to sit in laps, but didn't like other cats much. She was positive for FIP. Dr Samon euthanized her this morning. I wish I had been there, but they said she was comatose.. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
Re: Suzie crossed the bridge
Oh.. I am so sorry- it breaks my heart -- I know this is an odd thing to say-- but you don't think one of the vet techs gave her insulin or something to Suzie by mistake-- were there any other patients beside Suzie staying over night? I am just shocked ---you did not actually she her in coma though, right? - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveikamailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 9:42 AM Subject: Re: Suzie crossed the bridge They gave her interferon and an antibiotic...I'm not sure which one, I will ask. I did not expect this *at all*..she was looking around and purring yesterday... On 6/28/07, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I understand kelley - now I was thinking of blood work, I personally it's very unlikely that FIP caused coma, she has very moderate abnormality in her blood work - as mentioned, it did mimic a very beginning of stage of FIP, but all her organs were showing still normal and I did not expect her to be in such a serious condtion so quickly -- usually, from the blood work, liver values will be all elevated by the time she got really sick, but it was not like that with suzi-- did they give her any type of medications at all to cause coma by any chance? - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveikamailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 9:00 AM Subject: Re: Suzie crossed the bridge Belinda, I'm not sure I can afford it to be bluntly honest. I still owe $200 on Caroline and this was probably $1k more for Suzie..I haven't even asked and quite frankly do not want to know. I have to think about what is going to happen if another cat gets sick and I have spent money on a necropsy for Suzie and I can't afford to treat the sick one. She was in a coma this morning and he didn't feel she would come out. I think he euthanized her more due to that than due to the test result. (And yall I am not begging for money..yall have been more than generous...I am just venting..) On 6/28/07, Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kelley. I;m very sorry Suzie didn't make it, I wish she could have had longer with you. Are you having a necropsy done to confirm the FIP diagnosis? I personally would to be sure that's what it was and especially for peace of mind. Maybe the vet would do it free of charge or for a discount to see if that's what was going on, I would think he would be curious. No matter what any vet say's there is no test that is reliable or accurate for FIP, only a necropsy can confirm it 100%. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.comhttp://bemikitties.com/ Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.comhttp://adopt.bemikitties.com/ FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/clshttp://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.comhttp://hostdesign4u.com/ BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.comhttp://bmk.bemikitties.com/ -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org http://www.rescuties.org/ Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/carolinehttp://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.comhttp://www.goodsearch.com/ - powered by Yahoo! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.orghttp://www.rescuties.org/ Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/carolinehttp://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com http://www.goodsearch.com/- powered by Yahoo!
Re: Suzie crossed the bridge
What was the actual corona titer that came back for suzie? I would also ask maybe Susan to take a look at the blood result you emailed to me, if Susan does not mind looking at it.. as she has lots of experience with actual FIP kitties as well.. the whole thing just seems odd to me.. - Original Message - From: Susan Hoffmanmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 9:51 AM Subject: Re: Suzie crossed the bridge You mean corona positive (as are most cats at some point in their lives). There is no FIP test and the only way to be certain a cat had FIP is to do a necropsy. Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: She was a sweet girl who liked to sit in laps, but didn't like other cats much. She was positive for FIP. Dr Samon euthanized her this morning. I wish I had been there, but they said she was comatose.. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.orghttp://www.rescuties.org/ Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/carolinehttp://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.comhttp://www.goodsearch.com/ - powered by Yahoo!
Re: Suzie crossed the bridge
He did a titer test. I know the only way to be certain a cat has FIP is to do a necropsy (although I do trust his diagnosis). Titer tests without symptoms (inappetence, depression, and weight loss) don't mean much, and he generally doesn't do them. In the presence of symptoms with a test result with high titers, a presumptive diagnosis of FIP can be made. Thanks for correcting me in my time of grief, though! On 6/28/07, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You mean corona positive (as are most cats at some point in their lives). There is no FIP test and the only way to be certain a cat had FIP is to do a necropsy. *Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: She was a sweet girl who liked to sit in laps, but didn't like other cats much. She was positive for FIP. Dr Samon euthanized her this morning. I wish I had been there, but they said she was comatose.. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
Re: Suzie crossed the bridge
I did not see her in the coma, no. On 6/28/07, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh.. I am so sorry- it breaks my heart -- I know this is an odd thing to say-- but you don't think one of the vet techs gave her insulin or something to Suzie by mistake-- were there any other patients beside Suzie staying over night? I am just shocked ---you did not actually she her in coma though, right? - Original Message - *From:* Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Thursday, June 28, 2007 9:42 AM *Subject:* Re: Suzie crossed the bridge They gave her interferon and an antibiotic...I'm not sure which one, I will ask. I did not expect this *at all*..she was looking around and purring yesterday... On 6/28/07, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I understand kelley - now I was thinking of blood work, I personally it's very unlikely that FIP caused coma, she has very moderate abnormality in her blood work - as mentioned, it did mimic a very beginning of stage of FIP, but all her organs were showing still normal and I did not expect her to be in such a serious condtion so quickly -- usually, from the blood work, liver values will be all elevated by the time she got really sick, but it was not like that with suzi-- did they give her any type of medications at all to cause coma by any chance? - Original Message - *From:* Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Thursday, June 28, 2007 9:00 AM *Subject:* Re: Suzie crossed the bridge Belinda, I'm not sure I can afford it to be bluntly honest. I still owe $200 on Caroline and this was probably $1k more for Suzie..I haven't even asked and quite frankly do not want to know. I have to think about what is going to happen if another cat gets sick and I have spent money on a necropsy for Suzie and I can't afford to treat the sick one. She was in a coma this morning and he didn't feel she would come out. I think he euthanized her more due to that than due to the test result. (And yall I am not begging for money..yall have been more than generous...I am just venting..) On 6/28/07, Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kelley. I;m very sorry Suzie didn't make it, I wish she could have had longer with you. Are you having a necropsy done to confirm the FIP diagnosis? I personally would to be sure that's what it was and especially for peace of mind. Maybe the vet would do it free of charge or for a discount to see if that's what was going on, I would think he would be curious. No matter what any vet say's there is no test that is reliable or accurate for FIP, only a necropsy can confirm it 100%. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com http://hostdesign4u.com/ BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
Re: Suzie crossed the bridge
I have not seen it yet, I can get them to fax it. He was in surgery when I called. I will send to Susan, if she wants to look I still have it. On 6/28/07, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What was the actual corona titer that came back for suzie? I would also ask maybe Susan to take a look at the blood result you emailed to me, if Susan does not mind looking at it.. as she has lots of experience with actual FIP kitties as well.. the whole thing just seems odd to me.. - Original Message - *From:* Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Thursday, June 28, 2007 9:51 AM *Subject:* Re: Suzie crossed the bridge You mean corona positive (as are most cats at some point in their lives). There is no FIP test and the only way to be certain a cat had FIP is to do a necropsy. *Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: She was a sweet girl who liked to sit in laps, but didn't like other cats much. She was positive for FIP. Dr Samon euthanized her this morning. I wish I had been there, but they said she was comatose.. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
Re: Suzie crossed the bridge
Unless it is the wet form, then fluid can be pulled from the cat's stomach and tested. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Susan Hoffman To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 10:51 AM Subject: Re: Suzie crossed the bridge You mean corona positive (as are most cats at some point in their lives). There is no FIP test and the only way to be certain a cat had FIP is to do a necropsy. Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: She was a sweet girl who liked to sit in laps, but didn't like other cats much. She was positive for FIP. Dr Samon euthanized her this morning. I wish I had been there, but they said she was comatose.. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
Re: Suzie crossed the bridge
If she is using Star of Texas Vet clinic, I seriously doubt that that happened. Kelly, are you still using Dr. Samon? Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: HIDEYO YAMAMOTO To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 10:53 AM Subject: Re: Suzie crossed the bridge Oh.. I am so sorry- it breaks my heart -- I know this is an odd thing to say-- but you don't think one of the vet techs gave her insulin or something to Suzie by mistake-- were there any other patients beside Suzie staying over night? I am just shocked ---you did not actually she her in coma though, right? - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 9:42 AM Subject: Re: Suzie crossed the bridge They gave her interferon and an antibiotic...I'm not sure which one, I will ask. I did not expect this *at all*..she was looking around and purring yesterday... On 6/28/07, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I understand kelley - now I was thinking of blood work, I personally it's very unlikely that FIP caused coma, she has very moderate abnormality in her blood work - as mentioned, it did mimic a very beginning of stage of FIP, but all her organs were showing still normal and I did not expect her to be in such a serious condtion so quickly -- usually, from the blood work, liver values will be all elevated by the time she got really sick, but it was not like that with suzi-- did they give her any type of medications at all to cause coma by any chance? - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 9:00 AM Subject: Re: Suzie crossed the bridge Belinda, I'm not sure I can afford it to be bluntly honest. I still owe $200 on Caroline and this was probably $1k more for Suzie..I haven't even asked and quite frankly do not want to know. I have to think about what is going to happen if another cat gets sick and I have spent money on a necropsy for Suzie and I can't afford to treat the sick one. She was in a coma this morning and he didn't feel she would come out. I think he euthanized her more due to that than due to the test result. (And yall I am not begging for money..yall have been more than generous...I am just venting..) On 6/28/07, Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kelley. I;m very sorry Suzie didn't make it, I wish she could have had longer with you. Are you having a necropsy done to confirm the FIP diagnosis? I personally would to be sure that's what it was and especially for peace of mind. Maybe the vet would do it free of charge or for a discount to see if that's what was going on, I would think he would be curious. No matter what any vet say's there is no test that is reliable or accurate for FIP, only a necropsy can confirm it 100%. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
Re: Suzie crossed the bridge
Yes, I do use Dr. Samon. I was going to ask him to do a phone consult with Dr. Smith as he has done in the past with some of my cats, but it is too late. On 6/28/07, Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If she is using Star of Texas Vet clinic, I seriously doubt that that happened. Kelly, are you still using Dr. Samon? Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com http://www.petgirlspetsitting.com/ www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org http://www.tx.siameserescue.org/ www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - *From:* HIDEYO YAMAMOTO [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Thursday, June 28, 2007 10:53 AM *Subject:* Re: Suzie crossed the bridge Oh.. I am so sorry- it breaks my heart -- I know this is an odd thing to say-- but you don't think one of the vet techs gave her insulin or something to Suzie by mistake-- were there any other patients beside Suzie staying over night? I am just shocked ---you did not actually she her in coma though, right? - Original Message - *From:* Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Thursday, June 28, 2007 9:42 AM *Subject:* Re: Suzie crossed the bridge They gave her interferon and an antibiotic...I'm not sure which one, I will ask. I did not expect this *at all*..she was looking around and purring yesterday... On 6/28/07, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I understand kelley - now I was thinking of blood work, I personally it's very unlikely that FIP caused coma, she has very moderate abnormality in her blood work - as mentioned, it did mimic a very beginning of stage of FIP, but all her organs were showing still normal and I did not expect her to be in such a serious condtion so quickly -- usually, from the blood work, liver values will be all elevated by the time she got really sick, but it was not like that with suzi-- did they give her any type of medications at all to cause coma by any chance? - Original Message - *From:* Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Thursday, June 28, 2007 9:00 AM *Subject:* Re: Suzie crossed the bridge Belinda, I'm not sure I can afford it to be bluntly honest. I still owe $200 on Caroline and this was probably $1k more for Suzie..I haven't even asked and quite frankly do not want to know. I have to think about what is going to happen if another cat gets sick and I have spent money on a necropsy for Suzie and I can't afford to treat the sick one. She was in a coma this morning and he didn't feel she would come out. I think he euthanized her more due to that than due to the test result. (And yall I am not begging for money..yall have been more than generous...I am just venting..) On 6/28/07, Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kelley. I;m very sorry Suzie didn't make it, I wish she could have had longer with you. Are you having a necropsy done to confirm the FIP diagnosis? I personally would to be sure that's what it was and especially for peace of mind. Maybe the vet would do it free of charge or for a discount to see if that's what was going on, I would think he would be curious. No matter what any vet say's there is no test that is reliable or accurate for FIP, only a necropsy can confirm it 100%. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com http://hostdesign4u.com/ BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist
Re: Suzie crossed the bridge
I'll be glad to look at it. But even if the bloodwork looks like FIP -- I have a friend who had a rescue with bloodwork that screamed FIP yet the cat was treated with anitbiotics for infection and recovered fully. FIP is so difficult to diagnose and sufficiently rare that you really have to assume it's something else and keep looking. If you (or the vet) are too quick to call it FIP and stop there, then you are likely to miss the real cause(s). Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I have not seen it yet, I can get them to fax it. He was in surgery when I called. I will send to Susan, if she wants to look I still have it. On 6/28/07, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What was the actual corona titer that came back for suzie? I would also ask maybe Susan to take a look at the blood result you emailed to me, if Susan does not mind looking at it.. as she has lots of experience with actual FIP kitties as well.. the whole thing just seems odd to me.. - Original Message - From: Susan Hoffman To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 9:51 AM Subject: Re: Suzie crossed the bridge You mean corona positive (as are most cats at some point in their lives). There is no FIP test and the only way to be certain a cat had FIP is to do a necropsy. Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: She was a sweet girl who liked to sit in laps, but didn't like other cats much. She was positive for FIP. Dr Samon euthanized her this morning. I wish I had been there, but they said she was comatose.. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
Re: Suzie crossed the bridge
Well, she was treated with antibiotics (and interferon) but when he came in this morning and she was in a coma, he euthanized her. I don't know anything about cats and comas and how likely they are to recover. But if he felt she had a chance for recovery he would not have euthanized her. Caroline appears to have recovered (knock on wood) and we STILL don't know what was/is wrong with her. Of course if it is brain cancer she won't recover. But for now she is doing ok. On 6/28/07, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll be glad to look at it. But even if the bloodwork looks like FIP -- I have a friend who had a rescue with bloodwork that screamed FIP yet the cat was treated with anitbiotics for infection and recovered fully. FIP is so difficult to diagnose and sufficiently rare that you really have to assume it's something else and keep looking. If you (or the vet) are too quick to call it FIP and stop there, then you are likely to miss the real cause(s). *Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: I have not seen it yet, I can get them to fax it. He was in surgery when I called. I will send to Susan, if she wants to look I still have it. On 6/28/07, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What was the actual corona titer that came back for suzie? I would also ask maybe Susan to take a look at the blood result you emailed to me, if Susan does not mind looking at it.. as she has lots of experience with actual FIP kitties as well.. the whole thing just seems odd to me.. - Original Message - *From:* Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Thursday, June 28, 2007 9:51 AM *Subject:* Re: Suzie crossed the bridge You mean corona positive (as are most cats at some point in their lives). There is no FIP test and the only way to be certain a cat had FIP is to do a necropsy. *Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: She was a sweet girl who liked to sit in laps, but didn't like other cats much. She was positive for FIP. Dr Samon euthanized her this morning. I wish I had been there, but they said she was comatose.. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
Re: Suzie crossed the bridge
Something else must be going on to cause her coma -- I just don't have any kitties who become coma and had FIP -Susan, are you aware of any relationship between FIP of symptoms of FIP causing coma in a FIP kitty? - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveikamailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 10:19 AM Subject: Re: Suzie crossed the bridge Well, she was treated with antibiotics (and interferon) but when he came in this morning and she was in a coma, he euthanized her. I don't know anything about cats and comas and how likely they are to recover. But if he felt she had a chance for recovery he would not have euthanized her. Caroline appears to have recovered (knock on wood) and we STILL don't know what was/is wrong with her. Of course if it is brain cancer she won't recover. But for now she is doing ok. On 6/28/07, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll be glad to look at it. But even if the bloodwork looks like FIP -- I have a friend who had a rescue with bloodwork that screamed FIP yet the cat was treated with anitbiotics for infection and recovered fully. FIP is so difficult to diagnose and sufficiently rare that you really have to assume it's something else and keep looking. If you (or the vet) are too quick to call it FIP and stop there, then you are likely to miss the real cause(s). Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have not seen it yet, I can get them to fax it. He was in surgery when I called. I will send to Susan, if she wants to look I still have it. On 6/28/07, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What was the actual corona titer that came back for suzie? I would also ask maybe Susan to take a look at the blood result you emailed to me, if Susan does not mind looking at it.. as she has lots of experience with actual FIP kitties as well.. the whole thing just seems odd to me.. - Original Message - From: Susan Hoffmanmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 9:51 AM Subject: Re: Suzie crossed the bridge You mean corona positive (as are most cats at some point in their lives). There is no FIP test and the only way to be certain a cat had FIP is to do a necropsy. Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: She was a sweet girl who liked to sit in laps, but didn't like other cats much. She was positive for FIP. Dr Samon euthanized her this morning. I wish I had been there, but they said she was comatose.. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.orghttp://www.rescuties.org/ Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/carolinehttp://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.comhttp://www.goodsearch.com/ - powered by Yahoo! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.orghttp://www.rescuties.org/ Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/carolinehttp://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com http://www.goodsearch.com/- powered by Yahoo! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.orghttp://www.rescuties.org/ Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/carolinehttp://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com http://www.goodsearch.com/- powered by Yahoo!
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I don't know anything about coma..I am going to look for info now...she was better yesterdaymuch improved... On 6/28/07, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Something else must be going on to cause her coma -- I just don't have any kitties who become coma and had FIP -Susan, are you aware of any relationship between FIP of symptoms of FIP causing coma in a FIP kitty? - Original Message - *From:* Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Thursday, June 28, 2007 10:19 AM *Subject:* Re: Suzie crossed the bridge Well, she was treated with antibiotics (and interferon) but when he came in this morning and she was in a coma, he euthanized her. I don't know anything about cats and comas and how likely they are to recover. But if he felt she had a chance for recovery he would not have euthanized her. Caroline appears to have recovered (knock on wood) and we STILL don't know what was/is wrong with her. Of course if it is brain cancer she won't recover. But for now she is doing ok. On 6/28/07, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll be glad to look at it. But even if the bloodwork looks like FIP -- I have a friend who had a rescue with bloodwork that screamed FIP yet the cat was treated with anitbiotics for infection and recovered fully. FIP is so difficult to diagnose and sufficiently rare that you really have to assume it's something else and keep looking. If you (or the vet) are too quick to call it FIP and stop there, then you are likely to miss the real cause(s). *Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: I have not seen it yet, I can get them to fax it. He was in surgery when I called. I will send to Susan, if she wants to look I still have it. On 6/28/07, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What was the actual corona titer that came back for suzie? I would also ask maybe Susan to take a look at the blood result you emailed to me, if Susan does not mind looking at it.. as she has lots of experience with actual FIP kitties as well.. the whole thing just seems odd to me.. - Original Message - *From:* Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Thursday, June 28, 2007 9:51 AM *Subject:* Re: Suzie crossed the bridge You mean corona positive (as are most cats at some point in their lives). There is no FIP test and the only way to be certain a cat had FIP is to do a necropsy. *Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: She was a sweet girl who liked to sit in laps, but didn't like other cats much. She was positive for FIP. Dr Samon euthanized her this morning. I wish I had been there, but they said she was comatose.. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
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Hi Kelley, I am so sorry to hear about sweet Suzie. Did they call you before they euthanized her? You've got a lot going on right now and sound pretty stressed. Please take care of yourself. :) Wendy --- Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: She was a sweet girl who liked to sit in laps, but didn't like other cats much. She was positive for FIP. Dr Samon euthanized her this morning. I wish I had been there, but they said she was comatose.. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/
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Dear Kelley, I'm sitting here in tears, my heart is breaking for you - And, I tried to respond to your other post (THREE TIMES!!!) but we had a severe heat-induced storm, and every time I was just about ready to send it, THE POWER WENT OFF!! I was so very concerned about your losses and the whole FIP [and toxo] thing.. My dear, sweet, ancient Puma was diagnosed with BOTH And, thru BW only And, I am old school must agree w/ the other replys about FIP only can be confirmed w/ a necropsy. (And, trust me, I know only too well. I won't get into ALL details now [inappropriate], but I did lose two of my own [while fostering MANY - and my guys were NEVER w/ the fosters] And, my Oden, only 3, did pass due to FIP - confirmed thru necropsy.(After Magpie's [foster kitten] passing..) And, yes, it was a [foster] kitten [just 3 months old] who died first. [FIP - confirmed also thru necropsy. Actually, the first necropsy. Shelter director insisted.] Glad, sort of, that she did. But, that's when I had an FIP epidemic in my house.. So, I had all fosters tested, BW only, but NOT my own babies. I figured, What's the sense? They were never exposed, in the same area, separate dishes, etc. to Magpie or any of my other fosters. Now, w/ Puma, I'm kicking myself in a$$! Suggestion - Is there any shelters close that would do a necropsy? Reason I ask is because our shelter always did any kind of veterinary services, no questions asked. And, w/ your history, I really can't see a problem. Again, I would attempt to reply to your other post, but, I'm crying my yes out, and being visually impaired, that's a real problem. Please know, you are in my prayers Much love hugs, Patti her gang ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
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This still doesn't mean a cat has FIP, if nothing else fits most vets will assume it is FIP but the absolute ONLY way to 100% confirm it is FIP is with a necropsy. I'm sorry I have to keep harping on this but with all the misinformation out there about FIP (same as with FeLV) still today and new people always joining the list I don't want anyone to get and spread incorrect information. There are enough things in this world to get freaked out about without adding false ones. When a vet says a cat is positive for FIP he is wrong, he may be positive and with high titers for the corona viruses that are suspected to cause FIP but that doesn't in most cases mean he has FIP. Unless it is the wet form, then fluid can be pulled from the cat's stomach and tested. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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thanks, belinda. i get tired, sometimes, of responding to every bit of misinformation, and i'd passed my quota for that day. MC On 6/28/07, Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This still doesn't mean a cat has FIP, if nothing else fits most vets will assume it is FIP but the absolute ONLY way to 100% confirm it is FIP is with a necropsy. I'm sorry I have to keep harping on this but with all the misinformation out there about FIP (same as with FeLV) still today and new people always joining the list I don't want anyone to get and spread incorrect information. There are enough things in this world to get freaked out about without adding false ones. When a vet says a cat is positive for FIP he is wrong, he may be positive and with high titers for the corona viruses that are suspected to cause FIP but that doesn't in most cases mean he has FIP. Unless it is the wet form, then fluid can be pulled from the cat's stomach and tested. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
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In a message dated 6/28/07 2:49:04 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When a vet says a cat is positive for FIP he is wrong, he may be positive and with high titers for the corona viruses that are suspected to cause FIP but that doesn't in most cases mean he has FIP. THANK YOU, BELINDA MY FEELINGS EXACTLY! (And, I strongly believe w/ all my heart, that my Puma does not have FIP. ) Also, I believe he does have high titers for corona. He!!, I rescued him from a nasty [putting it mildly ] high kill shelter And, the poor 'ole boy didn't even stand a chance!!! He was immediately put on Death Row - only because of his seniority! G. I'm just so happy I had connections with the rescue community! [Just wish I still could be able to save more like my boy. I have nightmares about all the poor babies that face that horrific dilemma..] The toxo diagnosis I do believe. And, he recovered 101%. But when I questioned my vet on the FIP, well, let's just say, deep down, he knew I was right about the only accurate diagnosis is thru necropsy Oh, and MC, I am with you... So [too] much misinformation floating around And, I too am at that point - Seems like people want to believe all that garbage. (At a point, even me Having had an FIP epidemic w/ my fosters! ) Much thanks hugs, Patti her gang [INCLUDING PUMA A MIRACULOUS RECOVERY Wasn't aware that FIP could last this long - on a very, very senior boy!!! Now I can stop kicking myself in a$$} ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
Re: Suzie crossed the bridge
Well, he euthanized Lucky Lady at noon and sent a sample of her liver off for testing. So she's gone too... On 6/28/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/28/07 2:49:04 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When a vet says a cat is positive for FIP he is wrong, he may be positive and with high titers for the corona viruses that are suspected to cause FIP but that doesn't in most cases mean he has FIP. *THANK YOU, BELINDA* *MY FEELINGS EXACTLY!* (And, I strongly believe w/ *all my heart*, that my Puma does *not* have FIP. ) Also, I believe he *does* have high titers for corona. He!!, I rescued him from a nasty [putting it *mildly* ] high kill shelter And, the poor 'ole boy didn't even stand a chance!!! He was *immediately* put on Death Row - *only because of his seniority!* G. I'm just so happy I had connections with the rescue community! [Just wish I still could be able to save more like my boy. I have nightmares about all the poor babies that face that horrific dilemma..] The toxo diagnosis I do believe. And, he recovered 101%. But when I questioned my vet on the FIP, well, let's just say, deep down, he *knew*I was right about the only accurate diagnosis *is thru necropsy* Oh, and MC, I am with you... So *[too]* much misinformation floating around And, I too am at *that point* - Seems like people want to believe all that garbage. (At a point, even me Having had an FIP epidemic w/ my fosters! ) Much thanks hugs, Patti her gang [*INCLUDING PUMA A MIRACULOUS RECOVERY *Wasn't * aware* that FIP could last this long - on a very, very senior boy!!! Now I can stop kicking myself in a$$*}* -- See what's free at AOL.com http://www.aol.com/?ncid=AOLAOF0002000503. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
Re: Suzie crossed the bridge
He said they redid her blood work 3x and it came back different each time. Also told me Suzie's belly was full of fluid this morning, but it didnt' look like FIP fluid. It may have been some sort of organ failure. On 6/28/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, he euthanized Lucky Lady at noon and sent a sample of her liver off for testing. So she's gone too... On 6/28/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/28/07 2:49:04 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When a vet says a cat is positive for FIP he is wrong, he may be positive and with high titers for the corona viruses that are suspected to cause FIP but that doesn't in most cases mean he has FIP. *THANK YOU, BELINDA* *MY FEELINGS EXACTLY!* (And, I strongly believe w/ *all my heart*, that my Puma does *not* have FIP. ) Also, I believe he *does* have high titers for corona. He!!, I rescued him from a nasty [putting it *mildly* ] high kill shelter And, the poor 'ole boy didn't even stand a chance!!! He was *immediately* put on Death Row - *only because of his seniority! * G. I'm just so happy I had connections with the rescue community! [Just wish I still could be able to save more like my boy. I have nightmares about all the poor babies that face that horrific dilemma..] The toxo diagnosis I do believe. And, he recovered 101%. But when I questioned my vet on the FIP, well, let's just say, deep down, he * knew* I was right about the only accurate diagnosis *is thru necropsy* Oh, and MC, I am with you... So *[too]* much misinformation floating around And, I too am at *that point* - Seems like people want to believe all that garbage. (At a point, even me Having had an FIP epidemic w/ my fosters! ) Much thanks hugs, Patti her gang [*INCLUDING PUMA A MIRACULOUS RECOVERY *Wasn't * aware* that FIP could last this long - on a very, very senior boy!!! Now I can stop kicking myself in a$$ *}* -- See what's free at AOL.comhttp://www.aol.com/?ncid=AOLAOF0002000503. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
Re: Suzie crossed the bridge
Kelley, I am so sorry for your losses. This is so terrible. You are in my prayers. Cindy Reasoner --- Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, he euthanized Lucky Lady at noon and sent a sample of her liver off for testing. So she's gone too... On 6/28/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/28/07 2:49:04 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When a vet says a cat is positive for FIP he is wrong, he may be positive and with high titers for the corona viruses that are suspected to cause FIP but that doesn't in most cases mean he has FIP. *THANK YOU, BELINDA* *MY FEELINGS EXACTLY!* (And, I strongly believe w/ *all my heart*, that my Puma does *not* have FIP. ) Also, I believe he *does* have high titers for corona. He!!, I rescued him from a nasty [putting it *mildly* ] high kill shelter And, the poor 'ole boy didn't even stand a chance!!! He was *immediately* put on Death Row - *only because of his seniority!* G. I'm just so happy I had connections with the rescue community! [Just wish I still could be able to save more like my boy. I have nightmares about all the poor babies that face that horrific dilemma..] The toxo diagnosis I do believe. And, he recovered 101%. But when I questioned my vet on the FIP, well, let's just say, deep down, he *knew*I was right about the only accurate diagnosis *is thru necropsy* Oh, and MC, I am with you... So *[too]* much misinformation floating around And, I too am at *that point* - Seems like people want to believe all that garbage. (At a point, even me Having had an FIP epidemic w/ my fosters! ) Much thanks hugs, Patti her gang [*INCLUDING PUMA A MIRACULOUS RECOVERY *Wasn't * aware* that FIP could last this long - on a very, very senior boy!!! Now I can stop kicking myself in a$$*}* -- See what's free at AOL.com http://www.aol.com/?ncid=AOLAOF0002000503. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/
Re: Suzie crossed the bridge
And poor Dr. Smith is very ill right now, on lots of meds. I called him earlier and his meds are affecting his speech. Dr. Samon is a very capable vet, very knowledgeable and he worked for Dr. Smith for 8 yrs. as his orthopedic surgeon geriatric canine specialist. He is also very cat savvy. I would trust him w/ one of my cats, which speaks volumes. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 11:14 AM Subject: Re: Suzie crossed the bridge Yes, I do use Dr. Samon. I was going to ask him to do a phone consult with Dr. Smith as he has done in the past with some of my cats, but it is too late. On 6/28/07, Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If she is using Star of Texas Vet clinic, I seriously doubt that that happened. Kelly, are you still using Dr. Samon? Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: HIDEYO YAMAMOTO To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 10:53 AM Subject: Re: Suzie crossed the bridge Oh.. I am so sorry- it breaks my heart -- I know this is an odd thing to say-- but you don't think one of the vet techs gave her insulin or something to Suzie by mistake-- were there any other patients beside Suzie staying over night? I am just shocked ---you did not actually she her in coma though, right? - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 9:42 AM Subject: Re: Suzie crossed the bridge They gave her interferon and an antibiotic...I'm not sure which one, I will ask. I did not expect this *at all*..she was looking around and purring yesterday... On 6/28/07, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I understand kelley - now I was thinking of blood work, I personally it's very unlikely that FIP caused coma, she has very moderate abnormality in her blood work - as mentioned, it did mimic a very beginning of stage of FIP, but all her organs were showing still normal and I did not expect her to be in such a serious condtion so quickly -- usually, from the blood work, liver values will be all elevated by the time she got really sick, but it was not like that with suzi-- did they give her any type of medications at all to cause coma by any chance? - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 9:00 AM Subject: Re: Suzie crossed the bridge Belinda, I'm not sure I can afford it to be bluntly honest. I still owe $200 on Caroline and this was probably $1k more for Suzie..I haven't even asked and quite frankly do not want to know. I have to think about what is going to happen if another cat gets sick and I have spent money on a necropsy for Suzie and I can't afford to treat the sick one. She was in a coma this morning and he didn't feel she would come out. I think he euthanized her more due to that than due to the test result. (And yall I am not begging for money..yall have been more than generous...I am just venting..) On 6/28/07, Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kelley. I;m very sorry Suzie didn't make it, I wish she could have had longer with you. Are you having a necropsy done to confirm the FIP diagnosis? I personally would to be sure that's what it was and especially for peace of mind. Maybe the vet would do it free of charge or for a discount to see if that's what was going on, I would think he would be curious. No matter what any vet say's there is no test that is reliable or accurate for FIP, only a necropsy can confirm it 100%. -- Belinda happiness is being owned
Re: Suzie crossed the bridge
Dr Samon had to put the kitty to sleep he adopted from me, Susan, just today. He doesn't know what was wrong with her. He sent a piece of her liver for testing. I feel awful for him. On 6/28/07, Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And poor Dr. Smith is very ill right now, on lots of meds. I called him earlier and his meds are affecting his speech. Dr. Samon is a very capable vet, very knowledgeable and he worked for Dr. Smith for 8 yrs. as his orthopedic surgeon geriatric canine specialist. He is also very cat savvy. I would trust him w/ one of my cats, which speaks volumes. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com http://www.petgirlspetsitting.com/ www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org http://www.tx.siameserescue.org/ www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - *From:* Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Thursday, June 28, 2007 11:14 AM *Subject:* Re: Suzie crossed the bridge Yes, I do use Dr. Samon. I was going to ask him to do a phone consult with Dr. Smith as he has done in the past with some of my cats, but it is too late. On 6/28/07, Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If she is using Star of Texas Vet clinic, I seriously doubt that that happened. Kelly, are you still using Dr. Samon? Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com http://www.petgirlspetsitting.com/ www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org http://www.tx.siameserescue.org/ www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - *From:* HIDEYO YAMAMOTO [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Thursday, June 28, 2007 10:53 AM *Subject:* Re: Suzie crossed the bridge Oh.. I am so sorry- it breaks my heart -- I know this is an odd thing to say-- but you don't think one of the vet techs gave her insulin or something to Suzie by mistake-- were there any other patients beside Suzie staying over night? I am just shocked ---you did not actually she her in coma though, right? - Original Message - *From:* Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Thursday, June 28, 2007 9:42 AM *Subject:* Re: Suzie crossed the bridge They gave her interferon and an antibiotic...I'm not sure which one, I will ask. I did not expect this *at all*..she was looking around and purring yesterday... On 6/28/07, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I understand kelley - now I was thinking of blood work, I personally it's very unlikely that FIP caused coma, she has very moderate abnormality in her blood work - as mentioned, it did mimic a very beginning of stage of FIP, but all her organs were showing still normal and I did not expect her to be in such a serious condtion so quickly -- usually, from the blood work, liver values will be all elevated by the time she got really sick, but it was not like that with suzi-- did they give her any type of medications at all to cause coma by any chance? - Original Message - *From:* Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Thursday, June 28, 2007 9:00 AM *Subject:* Re: Suzie crossed the bridge Belinda, I'm not sure I can afford it to be bluntly honest. I still owe $200 on Caroline and this was probably $1k more for Suzie..I haven't even asked and quite frankly do not want to know. I have to think about what is going to happen if another cat gets sick and I have spent money on a necropsy for Suzie and I can't afford to treat the sick one. She was in a coma this morning and he didn't feel she would come out. I think he euthanized her more due to that than due to the test result. (And yall I am not begging for money..yall have been more than generous...I am just venting..) On 6/28/07, Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kelley. I;m very sorry Suzie didn't make it, I wish she could have had longer with you. Are you having a necropsy done to confirm the FIP diagnosis? I personally would to be sure that's what it was and especially for peace of mind. Maybe the vet would do it free of charge or for a discount to see if that's what was going on, I would think he would be curious. No matter what any vet say's there is no test that is reliable or accurate for FIP, only
Re: Suzie crossed the bridge
It is not common, but it *can happen. I just called Dr. Smith and asked him. But you are probably asking the other Susan on the list, correct? Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: HIDEYO YAMAMOTO To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 11:23 AM Subject: Re: Suzie crossed the bridge Something else must be going on to cause her coma -- I just don't have any kitties who become coma and had FIP -Susan, are you aware of any relationship between FIP of symptoms of FIP causing coma in a FIP kitty? - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 10:19 AM Subject: Re: Suzie crossed the bridge Well, she was treated with antibiotics (and interferon) but when he came in this morning and she was in a coma, he euthanized her. I don't know anything about cats and comas and how likely they are to recover. But if he felt she had a chance for recovery he would not have euthanized her. Caroline appears to have recovered (knock on wood) and we STILL don't know what was/is wrong with her. Of course if it is brain cancer she won't recover. But for now she is doing ok. On 6/28/07, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll be glad to look at it. But even if the bloodwork looks like FIP -- I have a friend who had a rescue with bloodwork that screamed FIP yet the cat was treated with anitbiotics for infection and recovered fully. FIP is so difficult to diagnose and sufficiently rare that you really have to assume it's something else and keep looking. If you (or the vet) are too quick to call it FIP and stop there, then you are likely to miss the real cause(s). Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have not seen it yet, I can get them to fax it. He was in surgery when I called. I will send to Susan, if she wants to look I still have it. On 6/28/07, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What was the actual corona titer that came back for suzie? I would also ask maybe Susan to take a look at the blood result you emailed to me, if Susan does not mind looking at it.. as she has lots of experience with actual FIP kitties as well.. the whole thing just seems odd to me.. - Original Message - From: Susan Hoffman To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 9:51 AM Subject: Re: Suzie crossed the bridge You mean corona positive (as are most cats at some point in their lives). There is no FIP test and the only way to be certain a cat had FIP is to do a necropsy. Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: She was a sweet girl who liked to sit in laps, but didn't like other cats much. She was positive for FIP. Dr Samon euthanized her this morning. I wish I had been there, but they said she was comatose.. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
Re: Suzie crossed the bridge
I had two cats that were confirmed yes or no this way. One was a kitten that lost all of his fur, and his belly swelled to HUGE proportions.. He was sooo ugly, he only had fur around his neck on his head. Caspian had fluid removed from his belly that tested neg. as FIP. Finally, after many tests, my vet said he was out of ideas, just take him home and love him, either he will recover, grow out of itor he won't. He did. Now he is big beautiful Main Coon, and healthy as a horse. W/ Serenity, my felv+ cat, same thing, fluid pulled from the belly, tests confirm FIP. I also understand that the FIP fluid will be a bright yellow in color. And when I was working @ the Humane Society, we opened up a kitten for her spay, and she was full of FIP fluid. She had been acting fine, however, we did not wake her up. Her organs inside were already damaged. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Belinda To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 1:45 PM Subject: Re: Suzie crossed the bridge This still doesn't mean a cat has FIP, if nothing else fits most vets will assume it is FIP but the absolute ONLY way to 100% confirm it is FIP is with a necropsy. I'm sorry I have to keep harping on this but with all the misinformation out there about FIP (same as with FeLV) still today and new people always joining the list I don't want anyone to get and spread incorrect information. There are enough things in this world to get freaked out about without adding false ones. When a vet says a cat is positive for FIP he is wrong, he may be positive and with high titers for the corona viruses that are suspected to cause FIP but that doesn't in most cases mean he has FIP. Unless it is the wet form, then fluid can be pulled from the cat's stomach and tested. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Suzie crossed the bridge
I am sorry, Kelly. Dr. Samon is a very good man. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 3:08 PM Subject: Re: Suzie crossed the bridge Dr Samon had to put the kitty to sleep he adopted from me, Susan, just today. He doesn't know what was wrong with her. He sent a piece of her liver for testing. I feel awful for him. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
Re: Suzie crossed the bridge/ Lucky Lady - Kelley
In a message dated 6/28/07 3:53:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, he euthanized Lucky Lady at noon Kelley, I am so very, very sorry. (And, sincerely too. I know I don't always say/write things people want to hear/read...) But, please know, you are in my thoughts prayers. With all the fur-angels.. Hugs, (Big Mouth) Patti her gang ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge
* Here are some sites with info about FIP. Just because the same misinformation keeps getting repeated isn't going to make it true.* *To many cats pay with their lives when incorrect information is tossed about. To say a cat is suspected to have FIP is one thing, to say is is confirmed without the proper verification procedures being followed is in my opinion criminal.* -- * This is from the VeterinaryPartner.com website written and maintained by vets, it is from 2002 so even this is probably no the most accurate info:* http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?P=AA=232 FIP effusion fluid is thick, tenacious, straw-colored to deep golden, and clear to slightly cloudy. *From another Vet Website, again written in 2002:* http://www.vetinfo.com/cencyclopedia/cefip.html When cats have the effusive form of FIP in which abdominal fluid accumulation occurs, the thick, straw colored fluid has characteristics that strongly suggest FIP. It is possible to run a more specialized lab test, a polymerase chain reaction test for FIP, on this fluid. This type of testing is more accurate than FIP antibody testing but still is not definitive. Blood tests to compare the various protein levels in the blood can be very suggestive of FIP infection, as well. High immunglobulin levels are very suggestive of FIP in the presence of clinical signs. *Despite all of this, there is no clear-cut way to make a sure diagnosis of FIP prior to death.* *This person does Dr Addie's website and probably has some of the most current and factual info on FIP: *http://www.orionfoundation.com/Information.htm *3) Verify FIP through histopathology*. Simply necropsy is not enough. Microscopic evaluation of tissue from biopsy or necropsy by a trained pathologist is considered the only diagnostic proof of FIP. Where available request immunoperoxidase examination of tissue to verify presence of Corona virus in suspect tissue. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge
the most important info, i believe, in the last few years, is the research showing a genetic predisposition for the mutation from the usually benign corona virus to the horrible FIP. when i was still involved with VIN (the parent of www.veterinarypartner.com that belinda references), this relationship was just starting to come out, through the Feline Genome Project results from UC Davis and other participants. the winn feline foundation (whose link i don't happen to have right at hand but a search will pull it up, has current position papers on FIV, FeLV and FIP. personally, i disagree with their overly pessimistic stats on both FIV and FeLV, but that's me.) as belinda says, the information is out there and we have a responsibility to make sure that what we don't add to the confusion by repeating stuff that is NOT accurate. (and yes, i STILL haven't found where, exactly, the oft-quoted figure that 70% of healthy adult cats can throw off the FeLV virus. but i'm still looking.) On 6/28/07, Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Here are some sites with info about FIP. Just because the same misinformation keeps getting repeated isn't going to make it true.* *To many cats pay with their lives when incorrect information is tossed about. To say a cat is suspected to have FIP is one thing, to say is is confirmed without the proper verification procedures being followed is in my opinion criminal.* -- * This is from the VeterinaryPartner.com website written and maintained by vets, it is from 2002 so even this is probably no the most accurate info:* http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?P=AA=232 FIP effusion fluid is thick, tenacious, straw-colored to deep golden, and clear to slightly cloudy. *From another Vet Website, again written in 2002:* http://www.vetinfo.com/cencyclopedia/cefip.html When cats have the effusive form of FIP in which abdominal fluid accumulation occurs, the thick, straw colored fluid has characteristics that strongly suggest FIP. It is possible to run a more specialized lab test, a polymerase chain reaction test for FIP, on this fluid. This type of testing is more accurate than FIP antibody testing but still is not definitive. Blood tests to compare the various protein levels in the blood can be very suggestive of FIP infection, as well. High immunglobulin levels are very suggestive of FIP in the presence of clinical signs. *Despite all of this, there is no clear-cut way to make a sure diagnosis of FIP prior to death.* *This person does Dr Addie's website and probably has some of the most current and factual info on FIP: *http://www.orionfoundation.com/Information.htm *3) Verify FIP through histopathology*. Simply necropsy is not enough. Microscopic evaluation of tissue from biopsy or necropsy by a trained pathologist is considered the only diagnostic proof of FIP. Where available request immunoperoxidase examination of tissue to verify presence of Corona virus in suspect tissue. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittenshttp://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Servicehttp://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design]http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites]http://bmk.bemikitties.com -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge
My point is, IF the fluid WAS removed from my cats' bellies, sent off for the more speicalized test that is stated in your email, (which it WAS) and it comes back likely, I would not argue w/ that. And my vet said that it was FIP (Serenity) or it was not (Caspian). He has seen enogh cases, also, to make that statement. Please DO NOT CALL him criminal for telling me so. YOU do not know him.. Apparently we are flogging a dead horse here. I am not going to participate in this type of conversation again. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Belinda To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 5:13 PM Subject: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge Here are some sites with info about FIP. Just because the same misinformation keeps getting repeated isn't going to make it true. To many cats pay with their lives when incorrect information is tossed about. To say a cat is suspected to have FIP is one thing, to say is is confirmed without the proper verification procedures being followed is in my opinion criminal. -- This is from the VeterinaryPartner.com website written and maintained by vets, it is from 2002 so even this is probably no the most accurate info: http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?P=AA=232 FIP effusion fluid is thick, tenacious, straw-colored to deep golden, and clear to slightly cloudy. From another Vet Website, again written in 2002: http://www.vetinfo.com/cencyclopedia/cefip.html When cats have the effusive form of FIP in which abdominal fluid accumulation occurs, the thick, straw colored fluid has characteristics that strongly suggest FIP. It is possible to run a more specialized lab test, a polymerase chain reaction test for FIP, on this fluid. This type of testing is more accurate than FIP antibody testing but still is not definitive. Blood tests to compare the various protein levels in the blood can be very suggestive of FIP infection, as well. High immunglobulin levels are very suggestive of FIP in the presence of clinical signs. Despite all of this, there is no clear-cut way to make a sure diagnosis of FIP prior to death. This person does Dr Addie's website and probably has some of the most current and factual info on FIP: http://www.orionfoundation.com/Information.htm 3) Verify FIP through histopathology. Simply necropsy is not enough. Microscopic evaluation of tissue from biopsy or necropsy by a trained pathologist is considered the only diagnostic proof of FIP. Where available request immunoperoxidase examination of tissue to verify presence of Corona virus in suspect tissue. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge
Sorry but no vet knows everything ... I personally know of this type of vet worship costing animals their life. Just stating a fact ... take it or leave it. PS. I didn't call any vet a criminal, I said and I quote: *To say a cat is suspected to have FIP is one thing, to say is is confirmed without the proper verification procedures being followed is in my opinion criminal.* -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Suzie crossed the bridge
I'm so sorry you lost Suzie and Lucky Lady. I know you are going through a really tough time right now, and I can definately relate. I've been wondering as well if there's something I am doing wrong, or some kind of virus/disease in my house that could contribute to my losing 3 kitties in the space of a month and a half, when I had nothing but healthy kitties for 12 years. It is so tough to pinpoint a cause though, and it may be just a run of bad luck. I always thought cats were hardy, and could expect to live 20 years as the norm, but I see now they are alot more fragile than I thought. It may be nothing more than coincidence that they seem to all get sick at the same time. The stress of worrying about your babies, and worrying about doing all you can to help them tends to wear one down alot. You are in my thoughts, and hopefully things will calm down for you and your babies soon. Cassandra - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika To: felvtalk Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 8:37 AM Subject: Suzie crossed the bridge She was a sweet girl who liked to sit in laps, but didn't like other cats much. She was positive for FIP. Dr Samon euthanized her this morning. I wish I had been there, but they said she was comatose.. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.10/876 - Release Date: 6/28/2007 10:56 AM
Re: Suzie crossed the bridge
Kelley I am so sorry about your sweet Suzie.Hugs to you Sherry Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: She was a sweet girl who liked to sit in laps, but didn't like other cats much. She was positive for FIP. Dr Samon euthanized her this morning. I wish I had been there, but they said she was comatose.. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! - Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta.
Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge
That's what I've heard re FIP - the genetic predisposition. And re the stats on FELV, even if you find it, can you find what it's based on? It's easy to throw stats around without much basis. Course I guess I shouldn't complain too loudly, I'd really rather they didn't do a research study on FELV cats by intentionally infecting a bunch of cats with FELV and then killing them... :( Gloria On Jun 28, 2007, at 6:40 PM, MaryChristine wrote: the most important info, i believe, in the last few years, is the research showing a genetic predisposition for the mutation from the usually benign corona virus to the horrible FIP. when i was still involved with VIN (the parent of www.veterinarypartner.com that belinda references), this relationship was just starting to come out, through the Feline Genome Project results from UC Davis and other participants. the winn feline foundation (whose link i don't happen to have right at hand but a search will pull it up, has current position papers on FIV, FeLV and FIP. personally, i disagree with their overly pessimistic stats on both FIV and FeLV, but that's me.) as belinda says, the information is out there and we have a responsibility to make sure that what we don't add to the confusion by repeating stuff that is NOT accurate. (and yes, i STILL haven't found where, exactly, the oft-quoted figure that 70% of healthy adult cats can throw off the FeLV virus. but i'm still looking.) On 6/28/07, Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here are some sites with info about FIP. Just because the same misinformation keeps getting repeated isn't going to make it true. To many cats pay with their lives when incorrect information is tossed about. To say a cat is suspected to have FIP is one thing, to say is is confirmed without the proper verification procedures being followed is in my opinion criminal. -- This is from the VeterinaryPartner.com website written and maintained by vets, it is from 2002 so even this is probably no the most accurate info: http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?P=AA=232 FIP effusion fluid is thick, tenacious, straw-colored to deep golden, and clear to slightly cloudy. From another Vet Website, again written in 2002: http://www.vetinfo.com/cencyclopedia/cefip.html When cats have the effusive form of FIP in which abdominal fluid accumulation occurs, the thick, straw colored fluid has characteristics that strongly suggest FIP. It is possible to run a more specialized lab test, a polymerase chain reaction test for FIP, on this fluid. This type of testing is more accurate than FIP antibody testing but still is not definitive. Blood tests to compare the various protein levels in the blood can be very suggestive of FIP infection, as well. High immunglobulin levels are very suggestive of FIP in the presence of clinical signs. Despite all of this, there is no clear-cut way to make a sure diagnosis of FIP prior to death. This person does Dr Addie's website and probably has some of the most current and factual info on FIP: http://www.orionfoundation.com/Information.htm 3) Verify FIP through histopathology. Simply necropsy is not enough. Microscopic evaluation of tissue from biopsy or necropsy by a trained pathologist is considered the only diagnostic proof of FIP. Where available request immunoperoxidase examination of tissue to verify presence of Corona virus in suspect tissue. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
