subject:"To Nina"

Thanks Nina,

That's exactly what the vet tech told me when I came
in.  She said they have to express the bladder and
that can sometimes irritate the bladder.  She also
mentioned nicking the bladder could be a cause, but
didn't think that was the reason.  I hope she isn't
going to get anemic from losing blood.  Let's hope
this clears up soon!

:)
Wendy

--- Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi Sweetie,
> 
> You've probably brought Nilla in to the vet by now. 
> I am concerned.  I 
> don't like that the blood in her urine seems to be
> getting more 
> concentrated, not less.  The fact that she was in
> heat during her spay 
> does cause further complications. 
> 
> I did a quick Google and did come up with a site
> that mentioned blood in 
> the urine after spay: "*The usual cause is
> manipulation of the urinary 
> bladder (which is directly adjacent to the uterus)
> during the surgical 
> procedure. Under normal conditions these symptoms
> disappear within a few 
> days."
> 
> *She's a strong healthy girl, I'm praying they are
> able to figure out 
> what's going on and let her come home with you, (I
> wouldn't leave her 
> there unless they have round the clock care). 
> 
> Please let us know as soon as you can.  You're in my
> prayers and thoughts,
> Nina
> 
> wendy wrote:
> > Hey guys,
> >
> > Nilla Belle was brought home yesterday after her
> spay
> > Thursday.  They wanted to keep her overnight
> because
> > she bled a lot because she was in heat and they
> said
> > they had to "wrap" her.  I am not sure what all
> this
> > means, but now I notice she's peeing blood.  She's
> > been in the house and we didn't let her out in
> time
> > and she peed on the tile.  Yesterday it was medium
> > reddish yellow, but I just got up and noticed that
> she
> > peed twice more while we were sleeping and one of
> the
> > pees was the color of the other yesterday, but the
> > other was pretty red.  The vet doesn't open for
> > another hour and a half, so I have to wait to
> call. 
> > If anyone is up out there (I am betting Nina isn't
> as
> > it's 4:30 am her time), do you know what could be
> > causing this?  Can she pop a stitch and it bleed
> into
> > her bladder?  That doesn't sound right.  Maybe she
> has
> > had a UTI and we didn't know it?  
> >
> > Any advice is appreciated,
> > Thanks,
> > Wendy
> >
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Re: OT: To Nina and other dog experts: Nilla Belle peeing blood after spay

2006-12-16 Thread Nina

Maybe it isn't "uncommon" for this to happen after /your/ vet operates, 
but I've never experienced or heard of it being something not to be 
concerned about.  I'm with Jen, she should have told you it's better to 
wait until Nilla was out of her heat cycle.  Did you tell her the blood 
was getting more concentrated?  I'm glad Nilla is not acting like she's 
in distress or pain, but make sure you keep her quiet for her own good.  
Keep a close eye on the situation and make sure you have someplace to 
take her if things get worse before Monday.


I'm still concerned.  Please let us know how she's doing,
Nina

wendy wrote:

Well, the vet said that it isn't uncommon for this to
happen.  She said she is 90% sure a round of
Cephalexin should do the trick, so I went and picked
some up this morning (in the middle of our garage
sale).  She said if it didn't, to bring her in Monday.
 Other than peeing blood, Nilla Belle is doing great. 
You wouldn't know she was ill other than the blood.


:)
Wendy
 
--- catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


  

I would call the vet this morning before they close.
 I have never heard of that and had many a cat
spayed, in heat, and pregnant as well
   
  t


wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Hey guys,

Nilla Belle was brought home yesterday after her
spay
Thursday. They wanted to keep her overnight because
she bled a lot because she was in heat and they said
they had to "wrap" her. I am not sure what all this
means, but now I notice she's peeing blood. She's
been in the house and we didn't let her out in time
and she peed on the tile. Yesterday it was medium
reddish yellow, but I just got up and noticed that
she
peed twice more while we were sleeping and one of
the
pees was the color of the other yesterday, but the
other was pretty red. The vet doesn't open for
another hour and a half, so I have to wait to call. 
If anyone is up out there (I am betting Nina isn't

as
it's 4:30 am her time), do you know what could be
causing this? Can she pop a stitch and it bleed into
her bladder? That doesn't sound right. Maybe she has
had a UTI and we didn't know it? 


Any advice is appreciated,
Thanks,
Wendy

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Re: OT: To Nina and other dog experts: Nilla Belle peeing blood after spay

2006-12-16 Thread Nina


Hi Sweetie,

You've probably brought Nilla in to the vet by now.  I am concerned.  I 
don't like that the blood in her urine seems to be getting more 
concentrated, not less.  The fact that she was in heat during her spay 
does cause further complications. 

I did a quick Google and did come up with a site that mentioned blood in 
the urine after spay: "*The usual cause is manipulation of the urinary 
bladder (which is directly adjacent to the uterus) during the surgical 
procedure. Under normal conditions these symptoms disappear within a few 
days."


*She's a strong healthy girl, I'm praying they are able to figure out 
what's going on and let her come home with you, (I wouldn't leave her 
there unless they have round the clock care). 


Please let us know as soon as you can.  You're in my prayers and thoughts,
Nina

wendy wrote:

Hey guys,

Nilla Belle was brought home yesterday after her spay
Thursday.  They wanted to keep her overnight because
she bled a lot because she was in heat and they said
they had to "wrap" her.  I am not sure what all this
means, but now I notice she's peeing blood.  She's
been in the house and we didn't let her out in time
and she peed on the tile.  Yesterday it was medium
reddish yellow, but I just got up and noticed that she
peed twice more while we were sleeping and one of the
pees was the color of the other yesterday, but the
other was pretty red.  The vet doesn't open for
another hour and a half, so I have to wait to call. 
If anyone is up out there (I am betting Nina isn't as

it's 4:30 am her time), do you know what could be
causing this?  Can she pop a stitch and it bleed into
her bladder?  That doesn't sound right.  Maybe she has
had a UTI and we didn't know it?  


Any advice is appreciated,
Thanks,
Wendy

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Re: OT: To Nina and other dog experts: Nilla Belle peeing blood after spay

2006-12-16 Thread ETrent

 
You're a good mommy, Wendy.  I hope so much this will take care of  it.  
Please kiss that sweet baby for me and tell her Auntie Beth love her  very much.
 
elizabeth
 
In a message dated 12/16/2006 11:05:28 AM Central Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Well,  the vet said that it isn't uncommon for this to
happen.  She said she  is 90% sure a round of
Cephalexin should do the trick, so I went and  picked
some up this morning (in the middle of our garage
sale).   She said if it didn't, to bring her in Monday.
Other than peeing blood,  Nilla Belle is doing great. 
You wouldn't know she was ill other than the  blood.

:)
Wendy

Re: To Nina and other dog experts: Nilla Belle peeing blood after spay

2006-12-16 Thread Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn

Eee Gads! Shame on your vet, I say, he COULD have sent her home and told you 
"sorry,
the complications are too high while she is in heat, please reschedule after 
she is
out of heat". JMO. I wonder if it is actually blood in the pee, or if she's 
bleeding
from her vagina, and it's just mixing in with the pee as it passes through the 
vulva.
There shouldn't be any reason for there to be blood in the urine after a spay, 
the
bladder is not involved with the spay surgery. The only way there would be 
blood in
the urine caused by a spay is if the vet accidentally lacerated the bladder, 
and had
to repair it, and the repair is not holding.

Phaewryn

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Re: OT: To Nina and other dog experts: Nilla Belle peeing blood after spay

Well, the vet said that it isn't uncommon for this to
happen.  She said she is 90% sure a round of
Cephalexin should do the trick, so I went and picked
some up this morning (in the middle of our garage
sale).  She said if it didn't, to bring her in Monday.
 Other than peeing blood, Nilla Belle is doing great. 
You wouldn't know she was ill other than the blood.

:)
Wendy
 
--- catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I would call the vet this morning before they close.
>  I have never heard of that and had many a cat
> spayed, in heat, and pregnant as well
>
>   t
> 
> wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   Hey guys,
> 
> Nilla Belle was brought home yesterday after her
> spay
> Thursday. They wanted to keep her overnight because
> she bled a lot because she was in heat and they said
> they had to "wrap" her. I am not sure what all this
> means, but now I notice she's peeing blood. She's
> been in the house and we didn't let her out in time
> and she peed on the tile. Yesterday it was medium
> reddish yellow, but I just got up and noticed that
> she
> peed twice more while we were sleeping and one of
> the
> pees was the color of the other yesterday, but the
> other was pretty red. The vet doesn't open for
> another hour and a half, so I have to wait to call. 
> If anyone is up out there (I am betting Nina isn't
> as
> it's 4:30 am her time), do you know what could be
> causing this? Can she pop a stitch and it bleed into
> her bladder? That doesn't sound right. Maybe she has
> had a UTI and we didn't know it? 
> 
> Any advice is appreciated,
> Thanks,
> Wendy
> 
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Re: OT: To Nina and other dog experts: Nilla Belle peeing blood after spay

2006-12-16 Thread catatonya

I would call the vet this morning before they close.  I have never heard of 
that and had many a cat spayed, in heat, and pregnant as well
   
  t

wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Hey guys,

Nilla Belle was brought home yesterday after her spay
Thursday. They wanted to keep her overnight because
she bled a lot because she was in heat and they said
they had to "wrap" her. I am not sure what all this
means, but now I notice she's peeing blood. She's
been in the house and we didn't let her out in time
and she peed on the tile. Yesterday it was medium
reddish yellow, but I just got up and noticed that she
peed twice more while we were sleeping and one of the
pees was the color of the other yesterday, but the
other was pretty red. The vet doesn't open for
another hour and a half, so I have to wait to call. 
If anyone is up out there (I am betting Nina isn't as
it's 4:30 am her time), do you know what could be
causing this? Can she pop a stitch and it bleed into
her bladder? That doesn't sound right. Maybe she has
had a UTI and we didn't know it? 

Any advice is appreciated,
Thanks,
Wendy

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Re: OT: To Nina and other dog experts: Nilla Belle peeing blood after spay

2006-12-16 Thread ETrent

 
Wendy - I am praying for you both.  Please let us know what the doctor  says.
elizabeth
 
In a message dated 12/16/2006 6:37:38 AM Central Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Hey  guys,

Nilla Belle was brought home yesterday after her  spay
Thursday.  They wanted to keep her overnight because
she bled  a lot because she was in heat and they said
they had to "wrap" her.  I  am not sure what all this
means, but now I notice she's peeing blood.   She's
been in the house and we didn't let her out in time
and she peed  on the tile.  Yesterday it was medium
reddish yellow, but I just got  up and noticed that she
peed twice more while we were sleeping and one of  the
pees was the color of the other yesterday, but the
other was pretty  red.  The vet doesn't open for
another hour and a half, so I have to  wait to call. 
If anyone is up out there (I am betting Nina isn't  as
it's 4:30 am her time), do you know what could be
causing this?   Can she pop a stitch and it bleed into
her bladder?  That doesn't  sound right.  Maybe she has
had a UTI and we didn't know it?   

Any advice is appreciated,
Thanks,
Wendy

Re: To Nina and other dog experts: Nilla Belle peeing blood after spay

2006-12-16 Thread Marylyn

No I would not want her alone at the vet's.  She would be better off with 
someone (you) watching after her.  My concerns are whether you have backup 
if the vet is not open.  I live in a rural area and finding vets off hours 
here can be (at best) interesting.  Nilla is such a lucky dog.  I wish her a 
long and happy life with you and you with her.

If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
 St. 
Francis
- Original Message - 
From: "wendy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 7:37 AM
Subject: Re: To Nina and other dog experts: Nilla Belle peeing blood after 
spay

Thanks Marylyn,

They open in less than half an hour, so we'll call
right away.  If we have to take her in, we will, but I
am hoping all she needs is antibiotics.  I don't want
her stuck at the vets all day Sunday by herself if all
she needs is antibiotics, you know?

:)
Wendy

--- Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I'm no dog expert but I've shared my life with
plenty of them.  I've never
had a problem like this.  Do you have an emergency
vet nearby or will your
vet come in for emergencies?  My concern is for the
rest of the weekend.
Also, I would not be put off.  I would want to see a
vet for my own peace of
mind.

 If
you have men who will
exclude any of God's creatures

from the shelter of
compassion and pity, you will have men who

will deal likewise with
their fellow man.

 St.
Francis
- Original Message - 
From: "wendy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 6:36 AM
Subject: OT: To Nina and other dog experts: Nilla
Belle peeing blood after
spay

> Hey guys,
>
> Nilla Belle was brought home yesterday after her
spay
> Thursday.  They wanted to keep her overnight
because
> she bled a lot because she was in heat and they
said
> they had to "wrap" her.  I am not sure what all
this
> means, but now I notice she's peeing blood.  She's
> been in the house and we didn't let her out in
time
> and she peed on the tile.  Yesterday it was medium
> reddish yellow, but I just got up and noticed that
she
> peed twice more while we were sleeping and one of
the
> pees was the color of the other yesterday, but the
> other was pretty red.  The vet doesn't open for
> another hour and a half, so I have to wait to
call.
> If anyone is up out there (I am betting Nina isn't
as
> it's 4:30 am her time), do you know what could be
> causing this?  Can she pop a stitch and it bleed
into
> her bladder?  That doesn't sound right.  Maybe she
has
> had a UTI and we didn't know it?
>
> Any advice is appreciated,
> Thanks,
> Wendy
>
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Re: To Nina and other dog experts: Nilla Belle peeing blood after spay

Thanks Marylyn,

They open in less than half an hour, so we'll call
right away.  If we have to take her in, we will, but I
am hoping all she needs is antibiotics.  I don't want
her stuck at the vets all day Sunday by herself if all
she needs is antibiotics, you know?

:)
Wendy

--- Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I'm no dog expert but I've shared my life with
> plenty of them.  I've never 
> had a problem like this.  Do you have an emergency
> vet nearby or will your 
> vet come in for emergencies?  My concern is for the
> rest of the weekend. 
> Also, I would not be put off.  I would want to see a
> vet for my own peace of 
> mind.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  If
> you have men who will 
> exclude any of God's creatures
> 
> from the shelter of 
> compassion and pity, you will have men who
> 
> will deal likewise with 
> their fellow man.
> 
>  St. 
> Francis
> - Original Message - 
> From: "wendy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 6:36 AM
> Subject: OT: To Nina and other dog experts: Nilla
> Belle peeing blood after 
> spay
> 
> 
> > Hey guys,
> >
> > Nilla Belle was brought home yesterday after her
> spay
> > Thursday.  They wanted to keep her overnight
> because
> > she bled a lot because she was in heat and they
> said
> > they had to "wrap" her.  I am not sure what all
> this
> > means, but now I notice she's peeing blood.  She's
> > been in the house and we didn't let her out in
> time
> > and she peed on the tile.  Yesterday it was medium
> > reddish yellow, but I just got up and noticed that
> she
> > peed twice more while we were sleeping and one of
> the
> > pees was the color of the other yesterday, but the
> > other was pretty red.  The vet doesn't open for
> > another hour and a half, so I have to wait to
> call.
> > If anyone is up out there (I am betting Nina isn't
> as
> > it's 4:30 am her time), do you know what could be
> > causing this?  Can she pop a stitch and it bleed
> into
> > her bladder?  That doesn't sound right.  Maybe she
> has
> > had a UTI and we didn't know it?
> >
> > Any advice is appreciated,
> > Thanks,
> > Wendy
> >
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Re: To Nina and other dog experts: Nilla Belle peeing blood after spay

2006-12-16 Thread Marylyn

I'm no dog expert but I've shared my life with plenty of them.  I've never 
had a problem like this.  Do you have an emergency vet nearby or will your 
vet come in for emergencies?  My concern is for the rest of the weekend. 
Also, I would not be put off.  I would want to see a vet for my own peace of 
mind.






If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
 St. 
Francis
- Original Message - 
From: "wendy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 6:36 AM
Subject: OT: To Nina and other dog experts: Nilla Belle peeing blood after 
spay




Hey guys,

Nilla Belle was brought home yesterday after her spay
Thursday.  They wanted to keep her overnight because
she bled a lot because she was in heat and they said
they had to "wrap" her.  I am not sure what all this
means, but now I notice she's peeing blood.  She's
been in the house and we didn't let her out in time
and she peed on the tile.  Yesterday it was medium
reddish yellow, but I just got up and noticed that she
peed twice more while we were sleeping and one of the
pees was the color of the other yesterday, but the
other was pretty red.  The vet doesn't open for
another hour and a half, so I have to wait to call.
If anyone is up out there (I am betting Nina isn't as
it's 4:30 am her time), do you know what could be
causing this?  Can she pop a stitch and it bleed into
her bladder?  That doesn't sound right.  Maybe she has
had a UTI and we didn't know it?

Any advice is appreciated,
Thanks,
Wendy

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OT: To Nina and other dog experts: Nilla Belle peeing blood after spay

Hey guys,

Nilla Belle was brought home yesterday after her spay
Thursday.  They wanted to keep her overnight because
she bled a lot because she was in heat and they said
they had to "wrap" her.  I am not sure what all this
means, but now I notice she's peeing blood.  She's
been in the house and we didn't let her out in time
and she peed on the tile.  Yesterday it was medium
reddish yellow, but I just got up and noticed that she
peed twice more while we were sleeping and one of the
pees was the color of the other yesterday, but the
other was pretty red.  The vet doesn't open for
another hour and a half, so I have to wait to call. 
If anyone is up out there (I am betting Nina isn't as
it's 4:30 am her time), do you know what could be
causing this?  Can she pop a stitch and it bleed into
her bladder?  That doesn't sound right.  Maybe she has
had a UTI and we didn't know it?  

Any advice is appreciated,
Thanks,
Wendy

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Re: To Nina Re: my experience with pits.....

2006-11-11 Thread catatonya

It's best for them to come to your house.  My guy came for a small fee (dinner money). lol.wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Hey Karen,Thanks! I would love that. Do you think she willwant to come look at her interact with our dogs, or doyou think she will want us to bring her to Lewisville?I am in Rockwall.Thanks!Wendy--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:> Wendy,> Your in Texas? where at I can recommend some> reliable person in lewisville > who can temperament test her for you. I am not sure> what she charges but she > gave me a great deal of very frank advice when I had> my pit. She will not sugar > coat anything let me know.> Karen>
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I would love that, but am maxed out at 11 dear souls in 1250 square feet... (5 cats, 1 african grey parrot, 2 lovebirds, my mom, my husband, and myself.)  If I ever move to a bigger place, a new dobe is a definite!
 
Thanks,
Beth
 
 Original message:
Just say the word Beth and I am sure we can get you anther one !!
 
Karen

Re: To Nina: Re: my experience with pits.....

2006-11-10 Thread FORGETMENOTPETS




Just say the word Beth and I am sure we can get you anther one 
!!
 
Karen

Re: To Nina: Re: my experience with pits.....



Oh, I understand about that "cool stare".  People would cross the street to avoid us when I was out walking her.  She was still scary looking even with her uncropped ears, big belly, and genetically caused near baldness.  I would never approach a strange dobe with that focused stare...
 
Missing that dear old dog now  :o(
Beth

Re: To Nina: Re: my experience with pits.....

2006-11-10 Thread Nina

Rotties need to be raised with care and respect, but I feel more 
comfortable around one I've just met because, (at least for me), they 
are easier to "read" than Dobbies.  Their facial expressions and body 
language signal what's going on in their heads and give more of an 
indication of their emotions than Dobermans.  There can be something 
unnerving about the cool stillness in a Dobbie's stare when he's unsure 
of your intentions.  Every dog, just as every human, is an individual 
and is the result of genetics and environment.  You just can't judge a 
book by it's cover.  Think Ted Bundy.

Nina

Gary Murphy wrote:
Many years ago I had a dobe that hid under the bed during storms and 
who let somebody break-in and rob our house.  The meter reader came 
once when I was out in the yard with her and asked me to please put 
her inside since his little computer tablet said "BAD DOG" for our 
address.  As he stared at her in wide-eyed fear, I hustled her into 
the house while trying  to explain that she was not the problem dog, 
it was our rotten little terrier mutt who was at that very moment 
latched onto his pant leg and trying to take him down.  He was so 
focused on the dobe he never even noticed that he was already under 
attack until I came back to grab her.  I've heard since that there is 
a personality difference between male and female dobes, I would love 
to have another female again.  But those cute little curly-haired 
terriers are just vicious... :o) 
 
Beth 
 
Original message from Catatonya:
I can't take the test either.  The dog I found my family, and people 
on my rescue list all thought was a pit.  But he was friendly as all 
get out, got along with the dogs, and didn't chase my cats (though 
I've kept him on a leash with them, because they stalk him!)
 
There's a guy on my list who rescues pits and HE thought he was a pit 
from the pictures, but when he got here he said he wasn't.
 
He has 5 rescued pits.  They don't fight at all except trying to push 
each other out of the bed where they all want to sleep together.  A 
pit that seems friendly is at no greater risk than any other dog who 
seems friendly to 'turn'.  They just have more strength.
 
I'm a million times more afraid of dobes and rotties.
 
t


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you guys don't want to here this but I didn't do so well on the
quiz..
LOL
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Re: To Nina: Re: my experience with pits.....

2006-11-10 Thread FORGETMENOTPETS




LOL yeah I have a min pin mix that will bite a stranger and draw blood in a 
quick ness.
I was raised with Dobes and don't believe there is much difference in the 
disposition. Males should be neutered as early as possible, that helps a lot 
with aggression

Re: To Nina: Re: my experience with pits.....





Many years ago I had a dobe that hid under the bed during storms and who let somebody break-in and rob our house.  The meter reader came once when I was out in the yard with her and asked me to please put her inside since his little computer tablet said "BAD DOG" for our address.  As he stared at her in wide-eyed fear, I hustled her into the house while trying  to explain that she was not the problem dog, it was our rotten little terrier mutt who was at that very moment latched onto his pant leg and trying to take him down.  He was so focused on the dobe he never even noticed that he was already under attack until I came back to grab her.  I've heard since that there is a personality difference between male and female dobes, I would love to have another female again.  But those cute little curly-haired terriers are just vicious... :o) 
 
Beth 
 
Original message from Catatonya:
I can't take the test either.  The dog I found my family, and people on my rescue list all thought was a pit.  But he was friendly as all get out, got along with the dogs, and didn't chase my cats (though I've kept him on a leash with them, because they stalk him!)
 
There's a guy on my list who rescues pits and HE thought he was a pit from the pictures, but when he got here he said he wasn't.
 
He has 5 rescued pits.  They don't fight at all except trying to push each other out of the bed where they all want to sleep together.  A pit that seems friendly is at no greater risk than any other dog who seems friendly to 'turn'.  They just have more strength.
 
I'm a million times more afraid of dobes and rotties.
 
t[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


you guys don't want to here this but I didn't do so well on the quiz..
LOL
Karen

Re: To Nina: Re: my experience with pits.....



Many years ago I had a dobe that hid under the bed during storms and who let somebody break-in and rob our house.  The meter reader came once when I was out in the yard with her and asked me to please put her inside since his little computer tablet said "BAD DOG" for our address.  As he stared at her in wide-eyed fear, I hustled her into the house while trying  to explain that she was not the problem dog, it was our rotten little terrier mutt who was at that very moment latched onto his pant leg and trying to take him down.  He was so focused on the dobe he never even noticed that he was already under attack until I came back to grab her.  I've heard since that there is a personality difference between male and female dobes, I would love to have another female again.  But those cute little curly-haired terriers are just vicious... :o) 
 
Beth

Re: To Nina: Re: my experience with pits.....

2006-11-10 Thread catatonya

I can't take the test either.  The dog I found my family, and people on my rescue list all thought was a pit.  But he was friendly as all get out, got along with the dogs, and didn't chase my cats (though I've kept him on a leash with them, because they stalk him!)     There's a guy on my list who rescues pits and HE thought he was a pit from the pictures, but when he got here he said he wasn't.     He has 5 rescued pits.  They don't fight at all except trying to push each other out of the bed where they all want to sleep together.  A pit that seems friendly is at no greater risk than any other dog who seems friendly to 'turn'.  They just have more strength.     I'm a million times more afraid of dobes and rotties.     t[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  you guys don't want to here this but I didn't do so well on the quiz..  LOL  Karen

Re: To Nina: Re: my experience with pits.....

2006-11-10 Thread catatonya

Don't be so sure wendy.  Everyone I showed pics of the dog I found said 'pit', but then the vet and pit rescue said he was NOT a pit.  Does this dog act aggressive toward your other dogs?  Does he chase the cats?     twendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  P.S. We are absolutely sure she's a Pit Bull. Shemight be mixed, but her head is unmistakably pit bull.:)Wendy--- Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:> Hi Wendy,> I'm glad your rescue girl is in out of danger and> sleeping soundly. I > do wonder about her puppies though. Life can be so> tough sometimes. > > Unfortunately I have to second Karen's input on> Pits. (Congratulations > on placing the pos today Karen!). You probably know> me well enough to
 > understand how it pains me to generalize about any> breed, but Pits have > the rep they do for a reason. I have met plenty of> of lovable ones, but > they have to be well trained and adhere to a> different kind of > interaction than say, a Golden Retriever. I don't> specialize in > aggression problems, but I've seen dogs that wag> their entire bodies > when they greet you, turn mighty ugly mighty fast> when matched with an > owner that isn't alpha enough to influence their> behavior sufficiently. > Any breed of dog can have these problems, but this> is a breed that is > known for them. Esp since you have no idea of her> history, you'll need > to stay alert and help her understand that you are> capable of making > decisions in order to insure everyone is safe. Are> you absolutely sure > that she's Pit x and not
 something else? Perhaps> Boxer, or Lab? I much > prefer to see Pit Bulls placed in an 'only pet' home> with no children > situation. If the vet thinks she's a Pit Bull, I> would contact the Pit > Bull rescue in your area and see if they are willing> to help you place > this girl. It's a good sign that she's not> immediately fence fighting > with your other dogs, but it could just be because> she's worn out and is > waiting to feel out the situation. > > I've also heard about Thyroid problems causing> sudden aggression, I wish > I could remember the details involved, you can> probably Google it and > find out more.> > She was sent to you for a reason. Just be careful> and think carefully > about making a long-term commitment to her. You may> just be meant to be > the "go-between" in finding her true forever
 home. > Good luck sweetie > and thank you for helping her.> Nina> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:> > Phaewryn and all,> > Well I have been doing dog and until recently pit> rescue for 20 some > > years.> > I am afraid I do not agree. I had a pit from> weaning till 4 1/2 years > > and she "turned" or developed sudden rage. A> beloved indoor family > > fully vetted dog became a killer in 6 months.> > I also have a foster who was attacked by her own> pit with injuries > > including 26 staples in her head. Also from a dog> with sudden rage > > syndrome.> > Never no matter how long you have them trust a pit> completely. They > > were born and bred to kill and that is what they> do best.> > My pit Judas used to help me potty bottle baby> kittens,. then started >
 > chewing up pups.> > When you get yours checked please include a test> for lyme and > > thyroid.another major cause of aggression in> pits and other breeds > > of dogs.> > A rescued pit needs lots of training love patience> and RESPECT.> > I have only read a few of these emails we had> petco adoptions all > > weekend but good luck with the pit.> > BY THE WAY ALL I PLACE A FIV POSITIVE CAT TODAY> WHO WILL HAVE A FIV > > BUDDY TO HANG WITH.> > KAREN> Get your email and see which of your friends are online - Right on the New Yahoo.com (http://www.yahoo.com/preview)

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2006-10-30 Thread wendy

Hey Karen,

Thanks!  I would love that.  Do you think she will
want to come look at her interact with our dogs, or do
you think she will want us to bring her to Lewisville?
 I am in Rockwall.

Thanks!
Wendy

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Wendy,
> Your in Texas? where at I can recommend some
> reliable person in lewisville  
> who can temperament test her for you. I am not sure
> what she charges but she  
> gave me a great deal of very frank advice when I had
> my pit. She will not sugar 
>  coat anything let me know.
> Karen
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Re: To Nina Re: my experience with pits.....

2006-10-30 Thread FORGETMENOTPETS




Wendy,
Your in Texas? where at I can recommend some reliable person in lewisville 
who can temperament test her for you. I am not sure what she charges but she 
gave me a great deal of very frank advice when I had my pit. She will not sugar 
coat anything let me know.
Karen

RE: To Nina Re: my experience with pits.....

2006-10-30 Thread Chris

You can also try Leah at Spindletop  http://www.spindletoppitbullrefuge.org/
They're somewhere around Houston

Chris
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Subject: OT: To Nina Re: my experience with pits.

Hey Nina,

I sent emails to the only two pit bull shelters in
Texas.  The first person I heard back from today. 
He's booked, but he's in Kingsville, which is like 8
hours from Dallas, so that's ok.  He was very nice. 
The other person is in Gun Barrell City, not too far
from here, and I am hoping to hear back from her
today.  She has 8 pits in her shelter, and one of them
has been there three years!  Poor thing!  I am hoping
she will know someone closer to where I live that
might be willing to come over and observe her.  I will
definitely not be turning her over to a regular
shelter, don't worry.  I can't tell what she might be
mixed with, if anything.  I am hoping my vet can tell
me.  I was really wishing I had your phone number
yesterday when we were trying to evaluate whether to
take her with us or not, because I know you do dog
rescue as well.  We are considering keeping her if she
and the other dogs can get along.  So far so good.  We
are also considering building a separate enclosure for
her while we are gone at work during the day.

:)
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OT: To Nina Re: my experience with pits.....

2006-10-30 Thread wendy

Hey Nina,

I sent emails to the only two pit bull shelters in
Texas.  The first person I heard back from today. 
He's booked, but he's in Kingsville, which is like 8
hours from Dallas, so that's ok.  He was very nice. 
The other person is in Gun Barrell City, not too far
from here, and I am hoping to hear back from her
today.  She has 8 pits in her shelter, and one of them
has been there three years!  Poor thing!  I am hoping
she will know someone closer to where I live that
might be willing to come over and observe her.  I will
definitely not be turning her over to a regular
shelter, don't worry.  I can't tell what she might be
mixed with, if anything.  I am hoping my vet can tell
me.  I was really wishing I had your phone number
yesterday when we were trying to evaluate whether to
take her with us or not, because I know you do dog
rescue as well.  We are considering keeping her if she
and the other dogs can get along.  So far so good.  We
are also considering building a separate enclosure for
her while we are gone at work during the day.

:)
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Re: To Nina: Re: my experience with pits.....

2006-10-29 Thread FORGETMENOTPETS




Well to me they are foreign or "designer" names for pitbulls.
I am familiar with most of them but still cant tell the 
difference

Re: To Nina: Re: my experience with pits.....

it took us ten or more tries to get the right answer! 
that test is unfair though...who the heck ever heard
of a corso or dogo or whatever some of those names
are?!!!

;)
Wendy

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> you guys don't want to here this but I didn't do so
> well on the  quiz..
> LOL
> Karen
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Me neither, but I'd seen it before, and failed it... so that's why I posted 
it, because I know it's really hard to tell a pit "for sure".
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Re: To Nina: Re: my experience with pits.....

2006-10-29 Thread FORGETMENOTPETS




you guys don't want to here this but I didn't do so well on the 
quiz..
LOL
Karen

Re: To Nina: Re: my experience with pits.....




Absolutely sure? Check out this webpage:
http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/findpit.html 
(I think most people will be shocked by the results if they take the 
quiz)
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To Nina: Re: my experience with pits.....

P.S.  We are absolutely sure she's a Pit Bull.  She
might be mixed, but her head is unmistakably pit bull.

:)
Wendy

--- Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi Wendy,
> I'm glad your rescue girl is in out of danger and
> sleeping soundly.  I 
> do wonder about her puppies though.  Life can be so
> tough sometimes. 
> 
> Unfortunately I have to second Karen's input on
> Pits. (Congratulations 
> on placing the pos today Karen!).  You probably know
> me well enough to 
> understand how it pains me to generalize about any
> breed, but Pits have 
> the rep they do for a reason.  I have met plenty of
> of lovable ones, but 
> they have to be well trained and adhere to a
> different kind of 
> interaction than say, a Golden Retriever.  I don't
> specialize in 
> aggression problems, but I've seen dogs that wag
> their entire bodies 
> when they greet you, turn mighty ugly mighty fast
> when matched with an 
> owner that isn't alpha enough to influence their
> behavior sufficiently.  
> Any breed of dog can have these problems, but this
> is a breed that is 
> known for them.  Esp since you have no idea of her
> history, you'll need 
> to stay alert and help her understand that you are
> capable of making 
> decisions in order to insure everyone is safe.  Are
> you absolutely sure 
> that she's Pit x and not something else?  Perhaps
> Boxer, or Lab?  I much 
> prefer to see Pit Bulls placed in an 'only pet' home
> with no children 
> situation.  If the vet thinks she's a Pit Bull, I
> would contact the Pit 
> Bull rescue in your area and see if they are willing
> to help you place 
> this girl.  It's a good sign that she's not
> immediately fence fighting 
> with your other dogs, but it could just be because
> she's worn out and is 
> waiting to feel out the situation. 
> 
> I've also heard about Thyroid problems causing
> sudden aggression, I wish 
> I could remember the details involved, you can
> probably Google it and 
> find out more.
> 
> She was sent to you for a reason.  Just be careful
> and think carefully 
> about making a long-term commitment to her.  You may
> just be meant to be 
> the "go-between" in finding her true forever home. 
> Good luck sweetie 
> and thank you for helping her.
> Nina
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Phaewryn and all,
> > Well I have been doing dog and until recently pit
> rescue for 20 some 
> > years.
> > I am afraid I do not agree. I had a pit from
> weaning till 4 1/2 years 
> > and she "turned" or developed sudden rage. A
> beloved indoor family 
> > fully vetted dog became a killer in 6 months.
> > I also have a foster who was attacked by her own
> pit with injuries 
> > including 26 staples in her head. Also from a dog
> with sudden rage 
> > syndrome.
> > Never no matter how long you have them trust a pit
> completely. They 
> > were born and bred to kill and that is what they
> do best.
> > My pit Judas used to help me potty bottle baby
> kittens,. then started 
> > chewing up pups.
> > When you get yours checked please include a test
> for lyme and 
> > thyroid.another major cause of aggression in
> pits and other breeds 
> > of dogs.
> > A rescued pit needs lots of training love patience
> and RESPECT.
> > I  have only read a few of these emails we had
> petco adoptions all 
> > weekend but good luck with the pit.
> > BY THE WAY ALL I PLACE A FIV POSITIVE CAT TODAY
> WHO WILL HAVE A FIV 
> > BUDDY TO HANG WITH.
> > KAREN
> 



 

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To Sheila: Re: OT: Need help with rescued dog; to Nina or anyone else with experience re...

Hey Sheila,

Thanks for replying.  I hope your husband is doing
well.  Don't feel too badly about not picking up that
dog.  It might not have been for you to do so, but for
someone else who might have been ten minutes behind
you.  Sometimes it's just the way things are supposed
to be.  Out of the four dogs we saw on the road today,
this is the one we ended up picking up (not that we
were looking for a dog!)  Did you and your husband own
any other dogs when you owned your pit bull?  This dog
is so sweet.  Someone would be lucky to have her, but
I agree with Nina; it should probably be someone
without children, and my husband and I are planning on
having kids very soon, God willing.  I am so sorry you
lost your beloved dog.  He sounds like he was part of
the family!

:)
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2006-10-29 Thread Sheila208



  Wendy, God bless you and your husband. I want to cry every time I hear of someone taking pity on these poor babies.
  I was taking my husband to the hospital last week on the Interstate and about mid way of a 20 mile desolate stretch we saw something in the medium ( we thought was a tire recap) as we were passing We saw it was a black dog that someone had dumped .There were no houses or stores within miles. I took my husband to the VA hospital for an appointment we couldn't reschedule - took at least an hour - before we could get back to the place where we saw the dog. He was not there we looked for him both sides of the Interstate for 2 hrs. I just pray that some kind hearted person saw him and stopped in time to save him. I have not had a day go by that I don't regret not stopping and getting that baby when we first saw him. His little face still haunts me.
 So thank you for doing what I wish I had done. By the way I had a pit bull 12 years I raised from a baby . He was the sweetest loving dog I have ever owned. Never bit anyone and never seemed to have a bad day. He died of heart disease in my husbands arms. I hope you will all be happy together.    Gratefully, Sheila

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Thanks... I advised someone on the Bengal Rescue Network yahoogroup to join 
here for advice (she thinks her cat may have cancer, and needs help reading the 
CBC panel)... and anyways, I thought well, if she joins, it would be nice 
if I was here for her! Things are settled down here pretty well (with my son). I 
made Zack his winter house today... put plastic up on the porch for a 
wind-break. Working on a new feral cat flyer to post around town for winterizing 
tips. You know, same ole, same ole! :)
 
Glad to be back!
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Thanks Phaewryn-I will add that test to the list of
things to do at the vet!  Glad to have you back!

:)
Wendy

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> Yep, Pits are awesome dogs, I've known a few of
> them. It's all about how they are raised. Other than
> a good vet exam, and deworming, dogs, even extremely
> emaciated ones, generally do great with just food
> and care. They aren't like cats in that they don't
> get fatty liver from starvation. You'll want to get
> a heartworm test right away too, the sooner you
> treat, the better the chances.
> 
> Phaewryn
> 
> Please adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!!
> http://ucat.us/adopt.html 
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> Financial Assistance for cat owners:
> http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html
> Special Needs Cat Resources:
> http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html 
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RE: OT: Need help with rescued dog; to Nina or anyone else with experience re...

Thanks Diane!  She's sleeping like a baby right now.

--- Diane Rosenfeldt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Just seconding Elizabeth's thank you!  This girlie
> is lucky she found you
> two.
> 
> Diane R.
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>   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 5:22 PM
>   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>   Subject: Re: OT: Need help with rescued dog; to
> Nina or anyone else with
> experience re...
> 
> 
>   Wendy,
>   What a wonderful thing you did!  I never knew how
> truly beautiful a pit
> bull could be until I met my neighbor's dog.  I wish
> I were more
> knowledgeable so I could help you - but just wanted
> to thank you for doing
> such a noble thing.
> 
>   love,
>   elizabeth
> 
>   In a message dated 10/29/2006 5:17:37 P.M. Central
> Standard Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Hi guys,
> 
> My husband and I were driving out in the country
> this
> afternoon on our way home from visiting my
> grandfather
> who just had a pacemaker put in, and saw a white
> Pit
> Bull (looks like a puppy; we aren't sure)
> walking down
> the side of a fairly busy road.  It was very
> emaciated
> and looked like it was scavenging for food.  We
> discussed it and turned around to check on the
> dog.
> We pulled up to the dog and I called out to it
> and it
> wagged it's tail but cowered.  I got out of the
> car
> and went over to the dog slowly, and she just
> laid
> down and rolled over.  She was clearly starving,
> and
> not in great shape.  She also looked like she
> had been
> nursing puppies, although I can't tell how long.
>  We
> couldn't find any puppies nearby.  We decided to
> take
> the dog home with us.  We figured that even if
> she did
> have puppies, she couldn't take care of them if
> she
> gets hit by the cars that were driving by at 70+
> mph,
> or if she starves to death.  Although I'm sad we
> had
> to leave her puppies (if there were any), I feel
> like
> we made the right decision.  We stopped by
> Walmart and
> bought wet food and water and dishes and fed her
> on
> the trip and she's now home with us.  We may or
> may
> not keep her.  My husband has always wanted a
> pit
> bull; he thinks they are beautiful.  But we
> already
> have two dogs, and I don't know how they'll
> accept
> her.  She's completely docile, but one of ours
> may
> give her trouble.  So far so good; our two are
> in the
> dog run right now and aren't growling at her.  I
> am
> going to try to see if there's a Pit Bull Rescue
> here
> in Dallas.  If we don't keep her, I don't want
> to
> adopt her out myself or turn her over to any
> shelter
> because of her breed.  I don't want someone to
> adopt
> her just to try to breed her or fight her.  She
> looks
> and acts as if she's already been treated badly
> enough.  We are going to take her to the vet and
> have
> her checked out, probably wormed, and given a
> pill to
> dry up her milk.  Does anyone have any advice as
> to
> how we should care for her?  Anything else we
> can do
> for her?
> 
> Thanks,
> Wendy
> 
> 
>   If you have men who will exclude any of God's
> creatures from the shelter
> of compassion and pity, you will have men who will
> deal likewise with their
> fellow man. ~St. Francis
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Re: OT: Need help with rescued dog; to Nina or anyone else with experience re...




Yep, Pits are awesome dogs, I've known a few of them. It's all about how 
they are raised. Other than a good vet exam, and deworming, dogs, even extremely 
emaciated ones, generally do great with just food and care. They aren't like 
cats in that they don't get fatty liver from starvation. You'll want to get a 
heartworm test right away too, the sooner you treat, the better the 
chances.
Phaewryn
 
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2006-10-29 Thread Diane Rosenfeldt




Just 
seconding Elizabeth's thank you!  This girlie is lucky she found you 
two.
 
Diane R.

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  re...
  
  
  Wendy,
  What a wonderful thing you did!  I never knew how truly beautiful a 
  pit bull could be until I met my neighbor's dog.  I wish I were more 
  knowledgeable so I could help you - but just wanted to thank you for doing 
  such a noble thing.
   
  love,
  elizabeth
   
  In a message dated 10/29/2006 5:17:37 P.M. Central Standard Time, 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  Hi 
guys,My husband and I were driving out in the country 
thisafternoon on our way home from visiting my grandfatherwho just 
had a pacemaker put in, and saw a white PitBull (looks like a puppy; we 
aren't sure) walking downthe side of a fairly busy road.  It was 
very emaciatedand looked like it was scavenging for food.  
Wediscussed it and turned around to check on the dog. We pulled up 
to the dog and I called out to it and itwagged it's tail but 
cowered.  I got out of the carand went over to the dog slowly, and 
she just laiddown and rolled over.  She was clearly starving, 
andnot in great shape.  She also looked like she had 
beennursing puppies, although I can't tell how long.  
Wecouldn't find any puppies nearby.  We decided to takethe dog 
home with us.  We figured that even if she didhave puppies, she 
couldn't take care of them if shegets hit by the cars that were driving 
by at 70+ mph,or if she starves to death.  Although I'm sad we 
hadto leave her puppies (if there were any), I feel likewe made the 
right decision.  We stopped by Walmart andbought wet food and water 
and dishes and fed her onthe trip and she's now home with us.  We 
may or maynot keep her.  My husband has always wanted a 
pitbull; he thinks they are beautiful.  But we alreadyhave two 
dogs, and I don't know how they'll accepther.  She's completely 
docile, but one of ours maygive her trouble.  So far so good; our 
two are in thedog run right now and aren't growling at her.  I 
amgoing to try to see if there's a Pit Bull Rescue herein 
Dallas.  If we don't keep her, I don't want toadopt her out myself 
or turn her over to any shelterbecause of her breed.  I don't want 
someone to adopther just to try to breed her or fight her.  She 
looksand acts as if she's already been treated badlyenough.  We 
are going to take her to the vet and haveher checked out, probably 
wormed, and given a pill todry up her milk.  Does anyone have any 
advice as tohow we should care for her?  Anything else we can 
dofor her?Thanks,Wendy 
  
   
  If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures 
  from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal 
  likewise with their fellow man. ~St. 
Francis

Re: OT: Need help with rescued dog; to Nina or anyone else with experience re...

Thanks Elizabeth.  I really have to give the credit to
my husband.  He's the one who suggested that we might
need to check on her.  He loves dogs.  She's lucky he
took an interest in her.  We passed at least three
more dogs on our two hour drive home, walking down
different roads.  It's so sad that people don't take
care of their animals.  This poor sweet puppy deserves
so much better.

:)
Wendy

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>  
>  
> Wendy,
> What a wonderful thing you did!  I never knew how
> truly beautiful a  pit bull 
> could be until I met my neighbor's dog.  I wish I
> were more  knowledgeable so 
> I could help you - but just wanted to thank you for
> doing such  a noble thing.
>  
> love,
> elizabeth
>  
> In a message dated 10/29/2006 5:17:37 P.M. Central
> Standard Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> Hi  guys,
> 
> My husband and I were driving out in the country 
> this
> afternoon on our way home from visiting my
> grandfather
> who just had  a pacemaker put in, and saw a white
> Pit
> Bull (looks like a puppy; we aren't  sure) walking
> down
> the side of a fairly busy road.  It was very 
> emaciated
> and looked like it was scavenging for food.  We
> discussed  it and turned around to check on the dog.
> 
> We pulled up to the dog and I  called out to it and
> it
> wagged it's tail but cowered.  I got out of  the car
> and went over to the dog slowly, and she just laid
> down and  rolled over.  She was clearly starving,
> and
> not in great shape.   She also looked like she had
> been
> nursing puppies, although I can't tell  how long. 
> We
> couldn't find any puppies nearby.  We decided to 
> take
> the dog home with us.  We figured that even if she
> did
> have  puppies, she couldn't take care of them if she
> gets hit by the cars that  were driving by at 70+
> mph,
> or if she starves to death.  Although I'm  sad we
> had
> to leave her puppies (if there were any), I feel
> like
> we made  the right decision.  We stopped by Walmart
> and
> bought wet food and  water and dishes and fed her on
> the trip and she's now home with us.   We may or may
> not keep her.  My husband has always wanted a  pit
> bull; he thinks they are beautiful.  But we already
> have two  dogs, and I don't know how they'll accept
> her.  She's completely  docile, but one of ours may
> give her trouble.  So far so good; our two  are in
> the
> dog run right now and aren't growling at her.  I  am
> going to try to see if there's a Pit Bull Rescue
> here
> in  Dallas.  If we don't keep her, I don't want to
> adopt her out myself or  turn her over to any
> shelter
> because of her breed.  I don't want  someone to
> adopt
> her just to try to breed her or fight her.  She 
> looks
> and acts as if she's already been treated badly
> enough.  We  are going to take her to the vet and
> have
> her checked out, probably wormed,  and given a pill
> to
> dry up her milk.  Does anyone have any advice as  to
> how we should care for her?  Anything else we can do
> for  her?
> 
> Thanks,
> Wendy 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> If you have men who will exclude any of God's
> creatures from the  shelter of 
> compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal
> likewise with  their 
> fellow man. ~St. Francis
> 



 
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Re: OT: Need help with rescued dog; to Nina or anyone else with experience re...

2006-10-29 Thread ETrent






Wendy,
What a wonderful thing you did!  I never knew how truly beautiful a 
pit bull could be until I met my neighbor's dog.  I wish I were more 
knowledgeable so I could help you - but just wanted to thank you for doing such 
a noble thing.
 
love,
elizabeth
 
In a message dated 10/29/2006 5:17:37 P.M. Central Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hi 
  guys,My husband and I were driving out in the country 
  thisafternoon on our way home from visiting my grandfatherwho just had 
  a pacemaker put in, and saw a white PitBull (looks like a puppy; we aren't 
  sure) walking downthe side of a fairly busy road.  It was very 
  emaciatedand looked like it was scavenging for food.  Wediscussed 
  it and turned around to check on the dog. We pulled up to the dog and I 
  called out to it and itwagged it's tail but cowered.  I got out of 
  the carand went over to the dog slowly, and she just laiddown and 
  rolled over.  She was clearly starving, andnot in great shape.  
  She also looked like she had beennursing puppies, although I can't tell 
  how long.  Wecouldn't find any puppies nearby.  We decided to 
  takethe dog home with us.  We figured that even if she didhave 
  puppies, she couldn't take care of them if shegets hit by the cars that 
  were driving by at 70+ mph,or if she starves to death.  Although I'm 
  sad we hadto leave her puppies (if there were any), I feel likewe made 
  the right decision.  We stopped by Walmart andbought wet food and 
  water and dishes and fed her onthe trip and she's now home with us.  
  We may or maynot keep her.  My husband has always wanted a 
  pitbull; he thinks they are beautiful.  But we alreadyhave two 
  dogs, and I don't know how they'll accepther.  She's completely 
  docile, but one of ours maygive her trouble.  So far so good; our two 
  are in thedog run right now and aren't growling at her.  I 
  amgoing to try to see if there's a Pit Bull Rescue herein 
  Dallas.  If we don't keep her, I don't want toadopt her out myself or 
  turn her over to any shelterbecause of her breed.  I don't want 
  someone to adopther just to try to breed her or fight her.  She 
  looksand acts as if she's already been treated badlyenough.  We 
  are going to take her to the vet and haveher checked out, probably wormed, 
  and given a pill todry up her milk.  Does anyone have any advice as 
  tohow we should care for her?  Anything else we can dofor 
  her?Thanks,Wendy 

 
If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the 
shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with 
their fellow man. ~St. Francis

OT: Need help with rescued dog; to Nina or anyone else with experience rescuing dogs

Hi guys,

My husband and I were driving out in the country this
afternoon on our way home from visiting my grandfather
who just had a pacemaker put in, and saw a white Pit
Bull (looks like a puppy; we aren't sure) walking down
the side of a fairly busy road.  It was very emaciated
and looked like it was scavenging for food.  We
discussed it and turned around to check on the dog. 
We pulled up to the dog and I called out to it and it
wagged it's tail but cowered.  I got out of the car
and went over to the dog slowly, and she just laid
down and rolled over.  She was clearly starving, and
not in great shape.  She also looked like she had been
nursing puppies, although I can't tell how long.  We
couldn't find any puppies nearby.  We decided to take
the dog home with us.  We figured that even if she did
have puppies, she couldn't take care of them if she
gets hit by the cars that were driving by at 70+ mph,
or if she starves to death.  Although I'm sad we had
to leave her puppies (if there were any), I feel like
we made the right decision.  We stopped by Walmart and
bought wet food and water and dishes and fed her on
the trip and she's now home with us.  We may or may
not keep her.  My husband has always wanted a pit
bull; he thinks they are beautiful.  But we already
have two dogs, and I don't know how they'll accept
her.  She's completely docile, but one of ours may
give her trouble.  So far so good; our two are in the
dog run right now and aren't growling at her.  I am
going to try to see if there's a Pit Bull Rescue here
in Dallas.  If we don't keep her, I don't want to
adopt her out myself or turn her over to any shelter
because of her breed.  I don't want someone to adopt
her just to try to breed her or fight her.  She looks
and acts as if she's already been treated badly
enough.  We are going to take her to the vet and have
her checked out, probably wormed, and given a pill to
dry up her milk.  Does anyone have any advice as to
how we should care for her?  Anything else we can do
for her?

Thanks,
Wendy 


 

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Re: To Nina Re: What I learned

2006-10-23 Thread Leslie

Hi!
It's funny how replying to an email from Friday can seem like you're replying to an email from a year ago
 
It' actually the floor of the passenger side that is the effected area - seats are fine.  The adjuster came and took pictures and looked into quotes for getting the whole carpet replaced, not even just the two square foot section that's effected.  He said that whatever the estimates came to over the $500 deductible, he's just send me a check for, but it didn't mean that I'd have to replace them.  I kept my fingers crossed, but the sum total was $447 - so no insurance money and there wasn't any other damage.  Car insurance doesn't cover what's in the vehicle, just the car itself.  Renter's insurance covers what stolen from the car, but again, there's a $500 deductible, and I came close, but no cigar.  

 
Ah well, next time.  (NOT!)
 
Leslie 

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Why don't you think about replacing the whole seat?  You might be ableto find one in a junk yard that's in good shape.  Shouldn't yourinsurance cover this?  It is damage inflicted during the theft.N

To Nina: Re: Please add Spencer to the CLS

2006-10-15 Thread wendy

Hi Nina,

I just read your posts about Spencer.  I am so sorry
to hear that you had to let him go.  He sounds like
such a miraculous kitty, the way he reached out to you
before he passed on.  It sounds to me like he was
trying to comfort you before he left.  Bless you for
doing all the wonderful small things to make Spencer's
last days here as happy as possible.  I just know he
loved going outside that last time.  Again, I am so
sorry you had to let him go.  Bless you for doing it. 
He's free now.

Prayers and blessings going out to you,
Wendy

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Re: To Nina: Re: Hello Everyone, a not so brief update

2006-10-05 Thread Nina

Thanks Wendy, I appreciate your prayers for my continued sanity and the 
well being for everyone in the house.  One day at a time, one foot in 
front of the other...

Nina

wendy wrote:


Hey Nina,

How are you doing today?  I am trying to get caught up
on my email.  It's so hard to keep up with it if you
miss a day or two, you know?  Duh, of course you know!
lol  


I was really sorry to hear about little Spencer, and
his slow decline.  It is SO hard to watch that.  I
went through it with Cricket, and it broke my heart
every day to see him like that.  I felt so damn
helpless.  I loved your story about how he reached his
paw out and touched your face.  How sweet!!!

I will definitely say prayers for Matilda and Starman
and the rest of your clan, as well as Spencer, that
all remains peaceful, if not well, in your home.  I
will also pray for strength and wisdom for you and
Bruce.  Take care Nina!

:)
Wendy

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To Nina: Re: Hello Everyone, a not so brief update

2006-10-05 Thread wendy

Hey Nina,

How are you doing today?  I am trying to get caught up
on my email.  It's so hard to keep up with it if you
miss a day or two, you know?  Duh, of course you know!
 lol  

I was really sorry to hear about little Spencer, and
his slow decline.  It is SO hard to watch that.  I
went through it with Cricket, and it broke my heart
every day to see him like that.  I felt so damn
helpless.  I loved your story about how he reached his
paw out and touched your face.  How sweet!!!

I will definitely say prayers for Matilda and Starman
and the rest of your clan, as well as Spencer, that
all remains peaceful, if not well, in your home.  I
will also pray for strength and wisdom for you and
Bruce.  Take care Nina!

:)
Wendy

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To Nina re Spencer

2006-09-06 Thread wendy

Nina,

I am so sorry to hear that Spencer is missing.  Have
you been able to find him yet?  I know you probably
feel terrible right now for him.  If you go outside
and just sit down and talk to him, he's probably so
close, he'll be able to hear you.  I hope you are able
to find him.

:)
Wendy

--- Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I have awful news.  Spencer has gone missing.  It's
> completely my fault, 
> I don't know what I was thinking.  I left for
> appointments this morning 
> and deliberately left the door open for the dogs and
> cats.  I've been 
> doing this forever, but I knew Spencer was very
> sick, I know that cats 
> can decide to find a quiet place to pass on their
> own, yet I left the 
> door open.  In the six months that Spencer has been
> with us he rarely 
> goes outside and when he does it's to keep me
> company in the yard.  
> Whenever I call to him, he comes running like a
> puppy.  I can only fear 
> the worst.  I talked with a couple of ACs and they
> said that he was 
> looking for quiet and solitude, things that are in
> very short supply 
> around this madhouse.  I've been combing the bushes
> and going through 
> the neighbor's yards all day.  If he's still moving,
> if he wants to, I'm 
> praying that he'll come home.  It even went through
> my mind to shut him 
> up before I left this morning, but I didn't think
> he'd be moving off his 
> bed much and I don't know, I didn't really process
> this thought, but I 
> didn't want him to feel like a prisoner either. 
> He's been so good 
> through his illness.  The vets last night kept
> commenting about how 
> sweet he was, I just hated to force anything on him.
> 
> 
> I just wanted to let you all know.  I can't think of
> a punishment graver 
> than not knowing what happened to him.  I'm doing my
> best to not think 
> of this in terms of punishment at all, just what is.
>  It's too late to 
> close the barn door now.  I've gone through the
> frantic mode of finding 
> him gone, been crying as I search, right now I'm
> feeling really numb.  
> When I called Bruce at work to tell him, he asked me
> why I would want to 
> have forced him to die in the house with us if
> that's not what he 
> wanted.  I could only come up with selfish answers
> for that one.  The 
> hardest part of all this is that I may never know. 
> I'm still praying 
> that he walks in the door.
> 
> Feeling repentant and very very sad,
> Nina
> 
> 
> 


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Re: OT: To Nina re. Bruce/ staph infections

2006-09-04 Thread Nina


Hi Wendy,
Thanks for asking about Bruce's hand.  It's doing better now, but it was 
very scary for a while there.  I do hope everyone knows about the 
dangers and how quickly things can become serious with cat bite 
infections.  I wouldn't have thought about a puncture wound from the 
spine of a cactus doing the same thing, but that makes sense.  It's the 
same kind of "injection" of bacteria deep into the flesh as a cat bite.  
I'm glad to hear your Mom's recovering.


After Bruce was bit we doused it with peroxide, put antibacterial 
ointment on it and then bandaged it.  After the fact, I found out that 
you shouldn't use ointments, or cover a cat bite because you don't want 
the outside healing over the inside.  I read that soaking it in hot salt 
water immediately can help, when I asked the urgent care doctor about 
that, he said it wouldn't hurt, but the only thing that will save you 
from infection with a serious bite is an abx shot.  When I was severely 
bitten in the past, I went immediately to the ER and got a Tetanus shot 
and abx shot, it never got infected.  Bruce went to work the next day 
after he was bitten and by the time he got home and I unwrapped his 
hand, I knew he was in trouble.  It was swollen, red and hot!  I took 
one look at it and knew he needed medical assistance, (it took me 2 
hours to convince him; such a male).  He's had 5 abx shots over the last 
week.  I have it written down, it's Rocefin (sp?).  The nurse told us 
that this abx use is fairly new, if he had come into the office with his 
hand looking like that before, they would have sent him to the hospital 
for IV abx.  The doctor said that if he hadn't come in that night the 
infection would have spread to his elbow by morning.  They also put him 
on oral Augmentin, (mega dose of 4000mg a day).  His hand is still 
swollen, but is getting much better finally.  It was touch and go 
there.  The doctor kept shaking his head and talking about the 
hospital.  It's been an ordeal, (he had to take a time off from work, 
the doctor insisted, (Bruce was saying no to that), it's cost a small 
fortune, but it could have been much, much worse.


From now on, if anyone gets bit around here, we're going for the shot 
immediately.

Nina

wendy wrote:


Hey Nina,

How is Bruce's hand?  I hope he is better.  I wanted
to give you some scary info.  I know you are already
stressed right now with Spencer, but I am feeling the
need to fill you and everyone else in on something my
mom is going through right now.  I'd rather tell you
than wait in case it applies to Bruce.  


My mom got a bad staph infection in her hand after
puncturing it with a cactus spine (right word?) which
is where the bacteria entered.

Re: OT: To Nina re. Bruce/ staph infections

2006-09-04 Thread Gina WN

Yes, staph can be dangerous. My father died from a staph infection he got at the hospital while they were trying to treat another illness. I'd take it very seriously.Ginawendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hey Nina,How is Bruce's hand? I hope he is better. I wantedto give you some scary info. I know you are alreadystressed right now with Spencer, but I am feeling theneed to fill you and everyone else in on something mymom is going through right now. I'd rather tell youthan wait in case it applies to Bruce. My mom got a bad staph infection in her hand afterpuncturing it with a cactus spine (right word?) whichis where the bacteria entered. The bacteria probablydid not come from the cactus, but we don't know forsure. It got REALLY bad, and ate away a huge chunk
ofskin between her thumb and index finger before theywere able to stop it with a change in antibiotics. Several layers are gone; about a half inch worth. Herdoc said that this staph is everywhere in theenvironment; I think it's called msma staph, but Icould be wrong. It's a very resistant strain andresponds to a specific abx. I also know a woman whodied from it two years ago in Houston. I worked withher. She had two young children. I am not trying toscare you; just wanted to tell you that what we allthink could be harmless can actually be really scary! And also, so that in case you guys were waiting to seethe doc, to go ahead and go. My mom had to visit aplastic surgeon, but he thinks the wound will fill inquite nicely now that she's healing. I hope Bruce isdoing better. And I hope I haven't upset you with theinfo. Please keep me posted.
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OT: To Nina re. Bruce/ staph infections

2006-09-04 Thread wendy

Hey Nina,

How is Bruce's hand?  I hope he is better.  I wanted
to give you some scary info.  I know you are already
stressed right now with Spencer, but I am feeling the
need to fill you and everyone else in on something my
mom is going through right now.  I'd rather tell you
than wait in case it applies to Bruce.  

My mom got a bad staph infection in her hand after
puncturing it with a cactus spine (right word?) which
is where the bacteria entered.  The bacteria probably
did not come from the cactus, but we don't know for
sure.  It got REALLY bad, and ate away a huge chunk of
skin between her thumb and index finger before they
were able to stop it with a change in antibiotics. 
Several layers are gone; about a half inch worth.  Her
doc said that this staph is everywhere in the
environment; I think it's called msma staph, but I
could be wrong.  It's a very resistant strain and
responds to a specific abx.  I also know a woman who
died from it two years ago in Houston.  I worked with
her.  She had two young children.  I am not trying to
scare you; just wanted to tell you that what we all
think could be harmless can actually be really scary! 
And also, so that in case you guys were waiting to see
the doc, to go ahead and go.  My mom had to visit a
plastic surgeon, but he thinks the wound will fill in
quite nicely now that she's healing.  I hope Bruce is
doing better.  And I hope I haven't upset you with the
info.  Please keep me posted.  

:)
Wendy

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Re: To Nina

2006-09-01 Thread Nina

Aw Karen, I'm glad you know that you are not alone. We do all 
understand, knowing that helps when we're in such pain, but grieving is 
something that we each have to do in our own way, in our own time. Many 
blessings to you. I know right now it seems the hole in your heart will 
never be healed. It helps me to send love to the pain and to sooth my 
sorrow with the knowledge that I was there for them, that we touched 
each other's life in a way no one else could. Angel loves you and 
appreciates all your efforts and care. She's cocking her little head at 
your sorrow and wishing she could put her paw on your face to let you 
know she's safe, happy and healthy now. Be open to a sign from her, it 
will come.

Nina

kandbz_ mom wrote:

I really enjoyed your story and pictures of Molly and Flash. They were 
young sweeties also, so you know how I'm feeling right now.

Thanks,
Karen


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To Nina

2006-09-01 Thread kandbz_ mom

I really enjoyed your story and pictures of Molly and Flash.  They were young sweeties also, so you know how I'm feeling right now.      Thanks,     Karen 
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To Nina Re: Matilda, aka Atila the Honey

2006-07-30 Thread wendy

Wow Nina!  I feel like I've just read one of the
stories from Chicken Soup for the Soul for Cat Lovers!
 That's how I know that Matilda's story will have a
good ending.  She can't help but win with you on her
side, so in-tune to her needs.  Bless you for helping
another little one!  Matilda is truly blessed.  I hope
you can find her previous owners if they are worth
being found, and if not, a wonderful home for this
little angel.

:)
Wendy

--- Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> As happens so often, my latest little refugee from
> the street found her 
> way to me.  One morning about 2 weeks ago, I went to
> pick up the feral 
> food dishes in my front yard and noticed a little
> tuxy/tabby gray and 
> white kitty sitting, pretty as you please, watching
> me from across the 
> street in my neighbor's front yard.  Now, I know
> almost all of the cats 
> and dogs in my neighborhood by name, and I'd never
> seen this little one 
> before.  I went over to introduce myself.  She
> didn't run, she just 
> cautiously stood her ground, sitting in that 'good
> kitty position', and 
> watched with huge expressive emerald eyes to see
> what I was up to.  My 
> neighbor came out and the little one took off into a
> back yard.  That 
> night, she showed up at my food dishes.  I went out
> to talk to her and 
> saw that she was VERY pregnant!  Aaggrh!  I brought
> her a dish of wet 
> food and she hungrily gobbled and growled.  She
> wouldn't let me touch 
> her, but I knew she wasn't truly "feral", only a
> stray would eat in 
> front of a stranger like that.  The next morning she
> was back at her 
> post across the street.  Determined to catch her
> before she had her 
> litter, I marched over there in my pajamas armed
> with a carrier and a 
> dish of food.  She struggled valiantly against her
> capture, but she 
> didn't purposely try to scratch, or bite.  That
> night, a kind vet told 
> me that she was emaciated, jaundiced and in danger
> of losing her life if 
> she delivered her kittens.  She was spayed, given
> fluids and a shot of 
> antibiotics.  Sadly, her five little ones never got
> to see the light of 
> day.  The first week of her recovery she barely
> stirred from her bed, 
> she'd growl everytime I approached with a plate of
> food, but somehow she 
> still made it to the litter box to relieve herself. 
> It was touch and 
> go, I didn't know if she'd make it, it seemed she'd
> lost the desire to 
> live.  Exactly a week to the day after her surgery
> she came alive and 
> displayed all the indications of someone suffering
> from Post Traumatic 
> Stress Disorder.  I can only imagine the horrors
> she'd faced on the 
> street.  It's so obvious that this little darling
> was loved, protected 
> and cherished at one time.  She was ill equipped to
> deal with the 
> overwhelming task of fending for herself.  Can you
> imagine finding 
> yourself in such a hostile world?  Tom's attacking
> her to mate, 
> terrifying encounters with dogs out for the sport of
> her blood, and all 
> the time searching and mourning for the comfort and
> safety she had so 
> recently known.  It's no wonder the poor little
> thing was terrified of 
> any being with four legs and that it took a bit of
> persuading for her to 
> see that she had finally found a friend in me.  My
> sore back can attest 
> to the hours spent cuddling with her on the bathroom
> floor.  Her need 
> for affection and a feeling of protection was so
> great that she'd howl 
> and yowl everytime I left her side.  I was so
> concerned for her!  By the 
> second day of this behavior, she had cried herself
> hoarse!  None of us 
> got any sleep, unless I was with her.  In recent
> days we've been seeing 
> slow improvement in her ability to view the world as
> a safe place 
> again.  She no longer hurls herself in fright with
> claws and teeth bared 
> at the screen door that separates her from the rest
> of my household when 
> she spots one of my other animals.  She's still
> growling under her 
> breath at the dogs, but she's begun to allow my
> little cat Pistol to 
> keep her company when she sits vigil outside the
> door.  I've been doing 
> my best to reunite her with her former guardian, but
> so far, no luck.  
> My home, as loving as it is, is crowded with animals
> and not an 
> appropriate placement for one so emotionally
> fragile.  Please pray that 
> I find her an understanding home that will suit her
> special needs.  One 
> that can lavish love and compassion on this
> deserving little soul.  This 
> little one has so much to share, if only we can find
> her true forever home.
> Nina
> 
> Kat wrote:
> 
> >Okay - make that "we 6" -
> >I'm still hear - just up to my eyeballs in work.
> >Nina, I'd love to hear about Matilda aka Atila the
> Honey.
> >Kat (Mew Jersey)
> >
> 
> 
> 


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Re: To Nina and others who read this thread: male calico and black girl kittens

2006-07-13 Thread FORGETMENOTPETS




YES NORTHERN STATES
northern states and California seem to care. Is that  why I am so 
fanatical about animal rights cause I am a Yankee?
Guess it doesn't matter. I have to remain positive and move on. I have 
babies here that need homes. I cant change all the attitudes but I can change 
some and every little bit helps.

Re: To Nina and others who read this thread: male calico and black girl kittens

2006-07-13 Thread Tad Burnett





Hey Karen
   I just want to add that I know of 3 county shelters that took the
time themselves
to find special homes for FeLV+ cats... Road Island, New York State and
my own
Vermont... 
Tad

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
  
  I know Carrie personally and I am shocked and surprised. You
know I am disappointed with this entire state and the attitude towards
animals. Animal controls shooting strays, gas chambers.just the
fact you can shoot a dog if its  treat to chickens...why I am surprised
they have this attitude towards positives I will never know. I don't
know any rescue people in this area with a open mind about positives.
But then again Texas executes more people then the next five states
combined. Its about time they come out of the dark ages. I am moving
back east to be with my kids and hopefully its still the south but
maybe they will have a better attitude. I offered to fly my vet on my
buddy passes to a felv seminar and he declined. They simply are not
interested. I am from NY and they say we are cold and cruel but never
in my life have I ever been in a state that has little regard for human
or animal life. Write a hot check any you wont see the light of day for
a long time but commit animal abuse and you might get
probation.sorry for venting. I watched the news last night about a
guy with a bunch of wolf hybrids. breeding them of course. They had
films of the wolves fightingthe great state of Texas has declared
that "they are just being wolves and doing the same thing they would be
doing in the wild." mean while the neighbors cant get any sleep with
all the noise. BREEDING WOLVES NEEDS TO BE ILLEGAL. There is something
seriously wrong with these people. The state seems to think if they
have food water and shade the man has a right to make a living.
  God help these people for they know not what they do. 
  Karen
   
  God help them all

Re: To Nina and others who read this thread: male calico and black girlkittens

2006-07-13 Thread Kat


Sleep soft dear little calico male and black female kitties...

You are now playing with our other precious fur-kids,
delighting the angels with your antics and your love.

Kat (Mew Jersey)

On Thu, 13 Jul 2006, wendy wrote:

> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 09:44:15 -0700 (PDT)
> From: wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: To Nina and others who read this thread: male calico and black
> girlkittens
>
> I called the woman who posted about the calico male
> and black female and she runs a rescue in Arlington,
> right next to Dallas.  I was upset that she left her
> post the way she did (ie. "it's over").  She told me
> that she did pts the kittens, which of course, upset
> me to hear.  I asked her to please not leave us
> hanging like that again as it was upsetting for us to
> read that and not know what she meant.  I could hear
> in her voice a lot of frustration at trying to get
> them adopted out and that one of her personal cats had
> contracted the FeLV from the kittens, according to
> her.  She had bottle fed the two kittens and had had
> them for a year, so she was clearly upset about the
> situation.  She did not want to pts and said that she
> had tried to get them adopted out for months, but was
> concerned for all the other cats.  She did say that
> later an IFA showed that her personal cat was
> negative, so that's a good thing.  I told her a little
> about what we've found out here about FeLV and urged
> her to post back if she came across any more FeLV
> positives in her rescue before pts.  I know this will
> put your minds a little at rest, unrestfully.  I hope
> we don't get anymore of these posts because they are
> upsetting!
>
> Wendy
>
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Re: To Nina and others who read this thread: male calico and black girl kittens

2006-07-13 Thread FORGETMENOTPETS




I know Carrie personally and I am shocked and surprised. You know I am 
disappointed with this entire state and the attitude towards animals. Animal 
controls shooting strays, gas chambers.just the fact you can shoot a dog if 
its  treat to chickens...why I am surprised they have this attitude towards 
positives I will never know. I don't know any rescue people in this area with a 
open mind about positives. But then again Texas executes more people then the 
next five states combined. Its about time they come out of the dark ages. I am 
moving back east to be with my kids and hopefully its still the south but maybe 
they will have a better attitude. I offered to fly my vet on my buddy passes to 
a felv seminar and he declined. They simply are not interested. I am from NY and 
they say we are cold and cruel but never in my life have I ever been in a state 
that has little regard for human or animal life. Write a hot check any you wont 
see the light of day for a long time but commit animal abuse and you might get 
probation.sorry for venting. I watched the news last night about a guy with 
a bunch of wolf hybrids. breeding them of course. They had films of the wolves 
fightingthe great state of Texas has declared that "they are just being 
wolves and doing the same thing they would be doing in the wild." mean while the 
neighbors cant get any sleep with all the noise. BREEDING WOLVES NEEDS TO BE 
ILLEGAL. There is something seriously wrong with these people. The state seems 
to think if they have food water and shade the man has a right to make a 
living.
God help these people for they know not what they do. 
Karen
 
God help them all

To Nina and others who read this thread: male calico and black girl kittens

2006-07-13 Thread wendy

I called the woman who posted about the calico male
and black female and she runs a rescue in Arlington,
right next to Dallas.  I was upset that she left her
post the way she did (ie. "it's over").  She told me
that she did pts the kittens, which of course, upset
me to hear.  I asked her to please not leave us
hanging like that again as it was upsetting for us to
read that and not know what she meant.  I could hear
in her voice a lot of frustration at trying to get
them adopted out and that one of her personal cats had
contracted the FeLV from the kittens, according to
her.  She had bottle fed the two kittens and had had
them for a year, so she was clearly upset about the
situation.  She did not want to pts and said that she
had tried to get them adopted out for months, but was
concerned for all the other cats.  She did say that
later an IFA showed that her personal cat was
negative, so that's a good thing.  I told her a little
about what we've found out here about FeLV and urged
her to post back if she came across any more FeLV
positives in her rescue before pts.  I know this will
put your minds a little at rest, unrestfully.  I hope
we don't get anymore of these posts because they are
upsetting!

Wendy

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Re: to Nina

2006-06-17 Thread felv




A far worse thing for dental health in cats is the fact that most people 
don't take their cats into the vet for annual tooth scaling. What makes wet food 
so bad is that people feed it, and then don't provide proper tooth care. Wet 
food alone is NOT the culprit. With dry food, it is less apt to cause issues in 
cats that go YEARS without dental care. Feeding your cat a few dry "dental" 
treats (or RAW bones) is all that is needed to remove wet food goo from the 
teeth, or, if you're really into it, and care about dental health, they DO make 
cat tooth brushes and toothpaste.
Phaewryn
 
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to Nina

2006-06-17 Thread gwork




Also, thanks for the responses to all 
the other questions.  I am still just confused about how the cat gets 
enough protein out of the canned food to stay healthy.  Also, is it really 
as bad for their oral health as the vets, etc. say it is?  From a human 
standpoint, I know this is not true as I am in the dental field, but I don't 
know if something could be different for cats/animals.  It doesn't seem 
like it would, but...
 
I agree completely that the public, 
as well as the vets in my opinion, need to be educated.  Not that I know 
all that much, but I do know some and more than the average person, and mainly, 
I just know my own experiences and what worked, etc., so that is what I want to 
share.  Not only about leukemia, but also about ferals.  4 of my cats 
are ferals, and they are just wonderful.
 
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to Nina

2006-06-17 Thread gwork




thanks a lot for the recipe - you say 
it's a pain in the neck - is that for us, or the turkey :)  just kidding, 
and i agree wholeheartedly that it is worth it if it keeps 'em 
healthy
 
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Re: Some good news--and thanks to Nina & Hideyo!!

2006-05-04 Thread wendy

Kerry,

Praises that you got the family leave approved (yea!)
and I'll continue to pray for your dad, you, your
kitties, and your family.  Also, awesome that Mickey
tested negative!  I am happy for you.  

:)
Wendy

--- Kerry MacKenzie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Here's some good news. 
> But first, the background for those who don't know
> it: of the feral colony of 5 kittens (Caramel, Levi,
> Flavia, Snoball and Mickey) and I adult cat (Momcat)
> I took in in December 2003, 4 of the kittens
> ---Caramel, Levi, Flavia & Snoball--tested positive
> in Feb 2004 and all 5 kittens tested positive in
> July 2004. Momcat tested negative both times. 
> All were quarantined in my 2nd bedroom, away from my
> 3 existing negative cats. The 4 kitties that tested
> pos twice succumbed between November 2004 and July
> 2005. That left 1 pos, Mickey, and 1 neg, Momcat,
> both of whom I continued to quarantine. They were
> buddies and it would have been cruel to separate
> them, particularly as Momcat appeared immune to
> FeLV. 
> My dream has been that Mickey would revert to neg,
> and I could then integrate them both in my
> household. Hope springs eternal as they say-- I
> dreamed of that before, and it didn't come to pass. 
> Nonetheless for about 10 months, I dreamedand
> procrastinated over re-testing them for a variety of
> reasons, not least fear of Mickey testing pos again.
> Today I trapped Mickey, had him re-tested,
> and..he's NEGATIVE!!!
> Because I'm anal, I'm going to trap Momcat next
> weekend and have her tested. I fully expect her to
> have remained negative. But, if by some horrible
> twist of fate she is not (because she caught it from
> the pos kitties before they passed away) I plan
> at lastto vaccinate my negs and integrate
> them all anyway. There is a much better vaccination
> available now, and my vet has the special equipment
> to do it.
> This is such wonderful news on so many levels, not
> least because it demonstrates -- again---that FeLV
> is simply not as contagious as most people believe.
> Mickey lived with his siblings all his life, tested
> pos once, but has thrown it off. And Momcat, who
> also lived with them all, never got it in the first
> place. (And neither of them has ever been FeLV
> vaccinated!)
> It's also something I'm going to highlight in the
> letter to Paula F in my lobbying for the new Chicago
> PAWS shelter to have an FeLV annex. I had intended
> the letter to be (finally) mailed on Friday. But I'm
> glad that it wasn't!
> I now want to thank Nina for coming to my rescue
> when I called her at 11pm last night (1am my time)
> in a panic because Mickey walked into the trap way
> before I expected him to. How could I reasonably
> expect him to stay there all night? What was I going
> to do about his bodily needs?? Nina reassured me a)
> that she has had to do that too on occasion (so I
> stopped feeling like a monster) and b) advised me to
> elevate the trap and layer the floor with paper.
> Sure enough, everything fell through the wire mesh
> on to the paper so Mickey was not in the discomfort
> in which he would otherwise have been and he
> survived the night.
> And I have Hideyo to thank for the success of the
> next stage--I was gearing up for a chase & catch
> battle in transferring Mickey from the cage to a
> carrier to take to the vet (I don't have a car; so
> carrier is easier for standing in street hailing
> cab). But Hideyo has a great technique that she
> shared---uncover the cage the cat is in, and cover
> (or provide dark-colored) carrier you want to
> transfer the cat to. The principle being that they
> will always prefer the dark option. (Correct me if
> I'm wrong about the principle Hideyo) Sure
> enough--my little feral Mickey WALKED from the cage
> straight in to the carrier. No battle necessary!!
> So, today is a happy day at no 603, to say the
> least.
> Also, last but not least, I want to say, I'm sorry I
> continue to only post sporadically. I pray for all
> your sick kitties and send healing vibes. And my
> heart goes out to all those that have crossed the
> bridge. 
> I hope that I will be in a position to post more
> regualarly when I get back from UK mid-June. (I go
> there mid May.) (I had a month's FMLA approved
> yesterday, to be with my dad, who has Stage 3
> cancer.)  I *really* miss being part of the everyday
> list. This group is just the best EVER.
> love and hugs to all of you and your furballs.Kerry
> 
> 


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Re: Some good news--and thanks to Nina & Hideyo!!

2006-05-01 Thread TenHouseCats


i mentioned the new vaccine to a vet tech who cohosts with me at
www.cathobbyist.com, and she's gonna look into it and see what she can
find out--she knows that in her area they're using the nasal vaccine a
lot i remember, tho, when the first FeLV vaccine came out and was
considered so ineffective--i wonder how and if these have been tested
for efficacy.  (you all know my theory about how difficult it is
to do research on a population when the main treatment for that group
is automatic euthanasia.)



On 4/30/06, Kerry MacKenzie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Thanks Susan. I still can't believe it. I wanted it so much for the others
but they succumbed. And now by some miracle Mickey has made it.

- Original Message -
From: Susan Hoffman
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 12:17 AM
Subject: Re: Some good news--and thanks to Nina & Hideyo!!

Congrantulations.  This gives me great hope as well for an FeLV+  I have in
a foster home.

Kerry MacKenzie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Here's some good news.
But first, the background for those who don't know it: of the feral colony
of 5 kittens (Caramel, Levi, Flavia, Snoball and Mickey) and I adult cat
(Momcat) I took in in December 2003, 4 of the kittens ---Caramel, Levi,
Flavia & Snoball--tested positive in Feb 2004 and all 5 kittens tested
positive in July 2004. Momcat tested negative both times.
All were quarantined in my 2nd bedroom, away from my 3 existing negative
cats. The 4 kitties that tested pos twice succumbed between November 2004
and July 2005. That left 1 pos, Mickey, and 1 neg, Momcat, both of whom I
continued to quarantine. They were buddies and it would have been cruel to
separate them, particularly as Momcat appeared immune to FeLV.
My dream has been that Mickey would revert to neg, and I could then
integrate them both in my household. Hope springs eternal as they say-- I
dreamed of that before, and it didn't come to pass.
Nonetheless for about 10 months, I dreamedand procrastinated over
re-testing them for a variety of reasons, not least fear of Mickey testing
pos again.
Today I trapped Mickey, had him re-tested, and..he's NEGATIVE!!!
Because I'm anal, I'm going to trap Momcat next weekend and have her tested.
I fully expect her to have remained negative. But, if by some horrible twist
of fate she is not (because she caught it from the pos kitties before they
passed away) I plan at lastto vaccinate my negs and integrate them
all anyway. There is a much better vaccination available now, and my vet has
the special equipment to do it.
This is such wonderful news on so many levels, not least because it
demonstrates -- again---that FeLV is simply not as contagious as most people
believe. Mickey lived with his siblings all his life, tested pos once, but
has thrown it off. And Momcat, who also lived with them all, never got it in
the first place. (And neither of them has ever been FeLV vaccinated!)
It's also something I'm going to highlight in the letter to Paula F in my
lobbying for the new Chicago PAWS shelter to have an FeLV annex. I had
intended the letter to be (finally) mailed on Friday. But I'm glad that it
wasn't!
I now want to thank Nina for coming to my rescue when I called her at 11pm
last night (1am my time) in a panic because Mickey walked into the trap way
before I expected him to. How could I reasonably expect him to stay there
all night? What was I going to do about his bodily needs?? Nina reassured me
a) that she has had to do that too on occasion (so I stopped feeling like a
monster) and b) advised me to elevate the trap and layer the floor with
paper. Sure enough, everything fell through the wire mesh on to the paper so
Mickey was not in the discomfort in which he would otherwise have been and
he survived the night.
And I have Hideyo to thank for the success of the next stage--I was gearing
up for a chase & catch battle in transferring Mickey from the cage to a
carrier to take to the vet (I don't have a car; so carrier is easier for
standing in street hailing cab). But Hideyo has a great technique that she
shared---uncover the cage the cat is in, and cover (or provide dark-colored)
carrier you want to transfer the cat to. The principle being that they will
always prefer the dark option. (Correct me if I'm wrong about the principle
Hideyo) Sure enough--my little feral Mickey WALKED from the cage straight in
to the carrier. No battle necessary!!
So, today is a happy day at no 603, to say the least.
Also, last but not least, I want to say, I'm sorry I continue to only post
sporadically. I pray for all your sick kitties and send healing vibes. And
my heart goes out to all those that have crossed the bridge.
I hope that I will be in a position to post more regualarly when I get back
from UK mid-June. (I go there mid May.) (I had a month's FMLA approved
yesterday, to be with m

Re: Some good news--and thanks to Nina & Hideyo!!




Thanks Susan. I still can't believe it. I wanted it so much 
for the others but they succumbed. And now by some miracle Mickey has made 
it.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Susan 
  Hoffman 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 12:17 
  AM
  Subject: Re: Some good news--and thanks 
  to Nina & Hideyo!!
  Congrantulations.  This gives me great hope as well for an 
  FeLV+  I have in a foster home.  Kerry MacKenzie 
  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
  



Here's some good news. 
But first, the background for those who don't 
know it: of the feral colony of 5 kittens (Caramel, Levi, Flavia, 
Snoball and Mickey) and I adult cat (Momcat) I took in in December 
2003, 4 of the kittens ---Caramel, Levi, Flavia & Snoball--tested 
positive in Feb 2004 and all 5 kittens tested positive in July 2004. Momcat 
tested negative both times. 
All were quarantined in my 2nd bedroom, away 
from my 3 existing negative cats. The 4 kitties that tested pos twice 
succumbed between November 2004 and July 2005. That left 1 pos, 
Mickey, and 1 neg, Momcat, both of whom I continued 
to quarantine. They were buddies and it would have been cruel to 
separate them, particularly as Momcat appeared immune to FeLV. 
My dream has been that Mickey would revert to neg, and I 
could then integrate them both in my household. Hope springs eternal as they 
say-- I dreamed of that before, and it didn't come to pass. 
Nonetheless for about 10 months, I dreamedand 
procrastinated over re-testing them for a variety of reasons, not least fear 
of Mickey testing pos again.
Today I trapped Mickey, had him re-tested, and..he's 
NEGATIVE!!!
Because I'm anal, I'm going to trap Momcat next weekend 
and have her tested. I fully expect her to have remained negative. But, if 
by some horrible twist of fate she is not (because she caught it from the 
pos kitties before they passed away) I plan at lastto vaccinate my 
negs and integrate them all anyway. There is a much better vaccination 
available now, and my vet has the special equipment to do it.
This is such wonderful news on so many levels, not least 
because it demonstrates -- again---that FeLV is simply not as contagious as 
most people believe. Mickey lived with his siblings all his life, tested pos 
once, but has thrown it off. And Momcat, who also lived with them all, 
never got it in the first place. (And neither of them has ever been 
FeLV vaccinated!)
It's also something I'm going to highlight in the letter 
to Paula F in my lobbying for the new Chicago PAWS shelter to have an FeLV 
annex. I had intended the letter to be (finally) mailed on Friday. But I'm 
glad that it wasn't!
I now want to thank Nina for coming to my rescue when I 
called her at 11pm last night (1am my time) in a panic because Mickey walked 
into the trap way before I expected him to. How could I reasonably 
expect him to stay there all night? What was I going to do about his bodily 
needs?? Nina reassured me a) that she has had to do that too on occasion (so 
I stopped feeling like a monster) and b) advised me to elevate the trap and 
layer the floor with paper. Sure enough, everything fell through the wire 
mesh on to the paper so Mickey was not in the discomfort in which he would 
otherwise have been and he survived the night.
And I have Hideyo to thank for the success of the next 
stage--I was gearing up for a chase & catch battle in transferring 
Mickey from the cage to a carrier to take to the vet (I don't have a car; so 
carrier is easier for standing in street hailing cab). But Hideyo has a 
great technique that she shared---uncover the cage the cat is in, and cover 
(or provide dark-colored) carrier you want to transfer the cat to. The 
principle being that they will always prefer the dark option. (Correct me if 
I'm wrong about the principle Hideyo) Sure enough--my little feral Mickey 
WALKED from the cage straight in to the carrier. No battle 
necessary!!
So, today is a happy day at no 603, to say the 
least.
Also, last but not least, I want to 
say, I'm sorry I continue to only post sporadically. I pray for all 
your sick kitties and send healing vibes. And my heart goes out to all those 
that have crossed the bridge. 
I hope that I will be in a position to 
post more regualarly when I get back from UK mid-June. (I go there 
mid May.) (I had a month's FMLA approved yesterday, 
to be with my dad, who has Stage 3 cancer.)  I *really* miss being 
part of the everyday list. This group is just the best EVER.
love and hugs to all of you and your 
furballs.Kerry

Re: Some good news--and thanks to Nina & Hideyo!!




Thank you Sandra. I'm still having some trouble believing 
it!

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Lee Soper 
  
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 9:20 
AM
  Subject: Re: Some good news--and thanks 
  to Nina & Hideyo!!
  Good luck with every thing that you are hoping for, thinking of 
  you and your beloved felinesSandra 
  On 4/30/06, Kerry 
  MacKenzie < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  wrote:
  

Here's some good news. 
But first, the background for those who don't 
know it: of the feral colony of 5 kittens (Caramel, Levi, Flavia, 
Snoball and Mickey) and I adult cat (Momcat) I took in in December 
2003, 4 of the kittens ---Caramel, Levi, Flavia & Snoball--tested 
positive in Feb 2004 and all 5 kittens tested positive in July 2004. Momcat 
tested negative both times. 
All were quarantined in my 2nd bedroom, away 
from my 3 existing negative cats. The 4 kitties that tested pos twice 
succumbed between November 2004 and July 2005. That left 1 pos, 
Mickey, and 1 neg, Momcat, both of whom I continued 
to quarantine. They were buddies and it would have been cruel to 
separate them, particularly as Momcat appeared immune to FeLV. 
My dream has been that Mickey would revert to neg, and I 
could then integrate them both in my household. Hope springs eternal as they 
say-- I dreamed of that before, and it didn't come to pass. 
Nonetheless for about 10 months, I dreamedand 
procrastinated over re-testing them for a variety of reasons, not least fear 
of Mickey testing pos again.
Today I trapped Mickey, had him re-tested, and..he's 
NEGATIVE!!!
Because I'm anal, I'm going to trap Momcat next weekend 
and have her tested. I fully expect her to have remained negative. But, if 
by some horrible twist of fate she is not (because she caught it from the 
pos kitties before they passed away) I plan at lastto vaccinate my 
negs and integrate them all anyway. There is a much better vaccination 
available now, and my vet has the special equipment to do it.
This is such wonderful news on so many levels, not least 
because it demonstrates -- again---that FeLV is simply not as contagious as 
most people believe. Mickey lived with his siblings all his life, tested pos 
once, but has thrown it off. And Momcat, who also lived with them all, 
never got it in the first place. (And neither of them has ever been 
FeLV vaccinated!)
It's also something I'm going to highlight in the letter 
to Paula F in my lobbying for the new Chicago PAWS shelter to have an FeLV 
annex. I had intended the letter to be (finally) mailed on Friday. But I'm 
glad that it wasn't!
I now want to thank Nina for coming to my rescue when I 
called her at 11pm last night (1am my time) in a panic because Mickey walked 
into the trap way before I expected him to. How could I reasonably 
expect him to stay there all night? What was I going to do about his bodily 
needs?? Nina reassured me a) that she has had to do that too on occasion (so 
I stopped feeling like a monster) and b) advised me to elevate the trap and 
layer the floor with paper. Sure enough, everything fell through the wire 
mesh on to the paper so Mickey was not in the discomfort in which he would 
otherwise have been and he survived the night.
And I have Hideyo to thank for the success of the next 
stage--I was gearing up for a chase & catch battle in transferring 
Mickey from the cage to a carrier to take to the vet (I don't have a car; so 
carrier is easier for standing in street hailing cab). But Hideyo has a 
great technique that she shared---uncover the cage the cat is in, and cover 
(or provide dark-colored) carrier you want to transfer the cat to. The 
principle being that they will always prefer the dark option. (Correct me if 
I'm wrong about the principle Hideyo) Sure enough--my little feral Mickey 
WALKED from the cage straight in to the carrier. No battle 
necessary!!
So, today is a happy day at no 603, to say the 
least.
Also, last but not least, I want to 
say, I'm sorry I continue to only post sporadically. I pray for all 
your sick kitties and send healing vibes. And my heart goes out to all those 
that have crossed the bridge. 
I hope that I will be in a position to 
post more regualarly when I get back from UK mid-June. (I go there 
mid May.) (I had a month's FMLA approved yesterday, 
to be with my dad, who has Stage 3 cancer.)  I *really* miss being 
part of the everyday list. This group is just the best EVER.
love and hugs to all of you and your 
furballs.Kerry

Re: Some good news--and thanks to Nina & Hideyo!!




Tonya, thanks! I'll send the email that MC sent me 
yesterday--she had heard of the new vaccine.
I leave on May 14 and return June 15. (Doing horrible amounts 
of overtime to alleviate effect of month I will not be paid!)
Another reason that it's so wonderful being able -- at 
last--to integrate the feral kits. And...I can stop feeling like a jailor! 
Kerryxx

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  catatonya 
  
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 9:29 
PM
  Subject: Re: Some good news--and thanks 
  to Nina & Hideyo!!
  
  That is fantastic news about Mickey!
   
  I would love to hear more about this 'new' vaccine you're talking about 
  when you have time.
   
  You are missed here, but I'm glad you got your family leave to be with 
  your father.  When will you be leaving again?
   
  take care,
  tKerry MacKenzie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  



Here's some good news. 
But first, the background for those who don't 
know it: of the feral colony of 5 kittens (Caramel, Levi, Flavia, 
Snoball and Mickey) and I adult cat (Momcat) I took in in December 
2003, 4 of the kittens ---Caramel, Levi, Flavia & Snoball--tested 
positive in Feb 2004 and all 5 kittens tested positive in July 2004. Momcat 
tested negative both times. 
All were quarantined in my 2nd bedroom, away 
from my 3 existing negative cats. The 4 kitties that tested pos twice 
succumbed between November 2004 and July 2005. That left 1 pos, 
Mickey, and 1 neg, Momcat, both of whom I continued 
to quarantine. They were buddies and it would have been cruel to 
separate them, particularly as Momcat appeared immune to FeLV. 
My dream has been that Mickey would revert to neg, and I 
could then integrate them both in my household. Hope springs eternal as they 
say-- I dreamed of that before, and it didn't come to pass. 
Nonetheless for about 10 months, I dreamedand 
procrastinated over re-testing them for a variety of reasons, not least fear 
of Mickey testing pos again.
Today I trapped Mickey, had him re-tested, and..he's 
NEGATIVE!!!
Because I'm anal, I'm going to trap Momcat next weekend 
and have her tested. I fully expect her to have remained negative. But, if 
by some horrible twist of fate she is not (because she caught it from the 
pos kitties before they passed away) I plan at lastto vaccinate my 
negs and integrate them all anyway. There is a much better vaccination 
available now, and my vet has the special equipment to do it.
This is such wonderful news on so many levels, not least 
because it demonstrates -- again---that FeLV is simply not as contagious as 
most people believe. Mickey lived with his siblings all his life, tested pos 
once, but has thrown it off. And Momcat, who also lived with them all, 
never got it in the first place. (And neither of them has ever been 
FeLV vaccinated!)
It's also something I'm going to highlight in the letter 
to Paula F in my lobbying for the new Chicago PAWS shelter to have an FeLV 
annex. I had intended the letter to be (finally) mailed on Friday. But I'm 
glad that it wasn't!
I now want to thank Nina for coming to my rescue when I 
called her at 11pm last night (1am my time) in a panic because Mickey walked 
into the trap way before I expected him to. How could I reasonably 
expect him to stay there all night? What was I going to do about his bodily 
needs?? Nina reassured me a) that she has had to do that too on occasion (so 
I stopped feeling like a monster) and b) advised me to elevate the trap and 
layer the floor with paper. Sure enough, everything fell through the wire 
mesh on to the paper so Mickey was not in the discomfort in which he would 
otherwise have been and he survived the night.
And I have Hideyo to thank for the success of the next 
stage--I was gearing up for a chase & catch battle in transferring 
Mickey from the cage to a carrier to take to the vet (I don't have a car; so 
carrier is easier for standing in street hailing cab). But Hideyo has a 
great technique that she shared---uncover the cage the cat is in, and cover 
(or provide dark-colored) carrier you want to transfer the cat to. The 
principle being that they will always prefer the dark option. (Correct me if 
I'm wrong about the principle Hideyo) Sure enough--my little feral Mickey 
WALKED from the cage straight in to the carrier. No battle 
necessary!!
So, today is a happy day at no 603, to say the 
least.
Also, last but not least, I want to 
say, I'm sorry I continue to only post sporadically. I pray for all 
your sick kitties and send healing vibes. And my heart goes out to all those 
that have

Re: Some good news--and thanks to Nina & Hideyo!!