Re: [Finale] Unable to launch Finale
Hi Allen, Any more info on exactly what is affected by this bug? I have used the "2 row horizontal strip" version of the palette, plus a programmed Tool Set, for, like, forever. I had no idea this might be the source of problems. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On Aug 27, 2008, at 8:07 PM, Allen Fisher wrote: It's something to do with windowing. If they're set up this way already in prefs, you'll run into it. I *think* if you put them back it may work, but don't hold me to that. I hope all of you that are running into this send in a support request. The huge advantage to the new case system is that we have a very accurate picture of what we get contacted about. On Aug 27, 2008, at 3:43 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: Hi Allen, Yes, I resize my main tool palette, putting it into two rows and shortening it so tools I rarely use are hidden. Will this behavior stop, if I put the palette back to its original configuration? If so, can I find this original configuration without starting my preferences from scratch again, or will the fact that I moved it around in the first place "carry" the problem and require a complete preference rebuild? Or do you know? Thanks, Chuck On Aug 27, 2008, at 12:32 PM, Allen Fisher wrote: Are you guys resizing your palettes? There's a known issue with resizing palettes vertically in Leopard. Make sure to file this as a support case, and attach your corrupted preferences. On Aug 27, 2008, at 1:43 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: Hi Haroldo, Darned if I know. I take no pleasure from the fact that others are having this problem, but it's nice to have some company. Chuck On Aug 27, 2008, at 11:28 AM, Haroldo Mauro Jr. wrote: It just hapenned again, only a couple of days after trashing the preferences. Is this a problem involving Finale and Leopard? Harold At 10:08 -0700 27/8/08, Chuck Israels wrote: Hi Hiro, This seems to be system related, and I don't know what it is about my system that produces this behavior. I can predict, with some reliability, when it is going to happen, because there are early signs of the corruption. The first sign is that some instruments begin to play back at wrong transpositions. As this begins to occur, jumping back in the score to begin the playback at an earlier spot sometimes cures the problem for a while, but it eventually becomes incurable with that method. The next thing I do is close the file and reopen it - reloading the Garittan sounds in the process. Again, this works for a while. Then, suddenly, after entering a few notes, or changing pitches in one or two parts, the problem recurs and becomes persistent. At that point, I can be pretty sure that Finale will crash or not reopen after quitting, and the preferences will be corrupted. I only relate these details, in case there is anyone on the list who might have an idea what is going! on that produces this annoying behavior. I am surprised to hear that others have experienced this, because MM seems not to know anything about it. Chuck On Aug 27, 2008, at 9:34 AM, A-NO-NE Music wrote: On 2008/08/25(åé), at å“5:21, Chuck Israels wrote: I recommend making copies of the newly minted preference file and storing them somewhere handy in case this reoccurs. Then you can simply replace the troublesome corrupted file if this happens again. It seems only few of us are getting this problem? I simply zip it, which makes a backup next to the original. When this happens next time, I select the corrupted one, hit Cmd+Del, then double-click the zipped file. I do this at least once a week :-( -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Greater Boston http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Allen Fisher Founder and Principal Developer Fisher Art and Technology [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com __
RE: [Finale] Context menus
Craig, I use two. Finale is on #1, portrait @ 1050x1680. #2 is landscape @ 1680x1050. Moving Finale from 1 to 2 causes no problems with the context menus. Sorry ;-( Jim From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Craig Parmerlee Sent: Wed 27-Aug-08 20:24 To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Context menus Finally a breakthrough. It turns out that my missing menus were related to my monitor configuration. I use a 2-monitor setup. Whenever Finale is running on the first monitor, the context menus work fine. Whenever I drag Finale to monitor #2, I can no longer use the right-click menus. Is anybody else running a two-monitor system where the desktop spans the two monitors? I'd like to know how widespread the problem is. It could be something very specific to my monitor #2, which is very large (1920x1200), or it might affect everybody using a dual-monitor system. My system is Windows XP, Finale 2009 Craig Parmerlee wrote: > Well, this problem is still not resolved. I ended up reinstalling the > operating system. Everything is fine when I install Finale 2009. But > as soon as I install the Garritan JABB library (with Kontact et al), > Finale 2009 breaks, and won't show me the context menus. > > Is there anybody out there who is running Windows XP, Garritan JABB > library, and Finale 2009? If so, does you right-click work? > > > Craig Parmerlee wrote: >> In case anybody has similar problems, here is the solution from >> Finale. Evidently I had an INI file get corrupted. I haven't tested >> this yet, but it makes sense. >> >> 1. Close Finale. >> 2. Open a My Computer window. >> 3. Navigate into your Finale program's folder (usually in C:\Program >> Files\Finale 2009) >> 4. Find the Finale.ini file. This file will have the file type of >> "configuration settings". >> 5. Delete it. >> 6. Find the finmidi.ini file. This file will also have the file type >> of "Configuration Settings." >> 7. Delete it. >> 8. Now run Finale. >> >> >> >> Craig Parmerlee wrote: >>> Yes, I believe so. It is working perfectly on all other applications. >>> >>> I went to apply patches to my operating system to see if any of that >>> would make a difference. For some reason, none of the patches would >>> apply, and of course Microsoft doesn't explain why. I was able to >>> regress SP3 off my system, which cleared up the patching problem. I >>> then reapplied SP3 and all other pending patches. That all seemed >>> to go normally, so as far as I can tell, my OS is working properly, >>> yet Finale still refuses to show those menus. Evidently something >>> has gotten hosed in my registry. I have a ticket open with Finale. >>> I expect I'll have to uninstall Finale, then do some manual editing >>> on the registry before reinstalling. >>> >>> >>> Ray Horton wrote: I have Finale 2009 on Windows 2009 with all appropriate menus. Right click context menus work fine. I'm no expert at all on this sort of thing, but is your mouse installed correctly? > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] exploding bug in 2009
On Aug 27, 2008, at 5:36 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: the new expression design, which I find not to be without its problems. Some things work fine, but this does not, and there are issues with linked parts and the fact that you can't assign a dynamic to a note in layer two and have it position itself in relation to that note. (Down stem bass drum notes in drum set parts, for instance.) Chuck Yes, this is a huge pain. When I assign a dynamic to a tuba part alone in Layer 1, the dynamic moves downward nicely. As soon as I have the same tuba part in Layer 2 with bass trombone in Layer 1 above it, the dynamic seems only to take the Layer 1 notes into account. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale Documentation Review
On Aug 27, 2008, at 9:44 PM, shirling & neueweise wrote: Good news for you and other Mac users (not so good for Windows.) finale is finally listening to its users? Just open Safari, go to Preferences, and the first item is Default Browser. Select Firefox and go ahead and quit Safari, and the next time you access the Finale Help, it will open in Firefox. i checked, firefox was already selected Are you using two monitors? early mac mini. not an option. thanks jef You said Finale 2008; do you have the update? That might be an issue... christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale Documentation Review
Good news for you and other Mac users (not so good for Windows.) finale is finally listening to its users? Just open Safari, go to Preferences, and the first item is Default Browser. Select Firefox and go ahead and quit Safari, and the next time you access the Finale Help, it will open in Firefox. i checked, firefox was already selected Are you using two monitors? early mac mini. not an option. thanks jef ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Context menus
On Wed, August 27, 2008 8:24 pm, Craig Parmerlee wrote: > Is anybody else running a two-monitor system where the desktop spans the > two monitors? I'd like to know how widespread the problem is. It could > be something very specific to my monitor #2, which is very large > (1920x1200), or it might affect everybody using a dual-monitor system. I have Windows XP SP2, Matrox dual-head, two 1680x1050 monitors. I lost the original thread -- not sure which version of Finale, but the right-click context menus in 2007 are working fine on either monitor or both. However, in Sonar 2.2 (the last version I have), the right-click context menus do not work on the second monitor. Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale Documentation Review
jef, Good news for you and other Mac users (not so good for Windows.) Finale uses whatever your system says your default browser is. You can set your default browser to whatever you want from inside Safari (yeah, I know!) Just open Safari, go to Preferences, and the first item is Default Browser. Select Firefox and go ahead and quit Safari, and the next time you access the Finale Help, it will open in Firefox. Are you using two monitors? Moving palettes around when you first open Finale will cause all kinds of problems at first. Open Finale, quit, then reopen and see if things are more stable. If not, trash prefs, then reopen, quit, then reopen. This helps for me. Christopher On Aug 27, 2008, at 9:12 PM, shirling & neueweise wrote: i have just started slamming my head against the wall coming back to finale after months away from notation. fun times. crashes whenever trying to access wizard (from menu or start-up window), meaning i can't use/define/access document styles. on the finalemusic.com downloads page i can't select the version (menu is visible but not accessible) and the search for finale updates doesn't seem to work. i also can't log in as an "existing online customer". is their site jammed? just getting started with finale 2008 things that i had never used before. so i don't have much to say about the documentation, but one thing stands out IMMEDIATELY. it is absolutely unacceptable to force users to use IE on windows and safari on mac. many people use other browsers and today it is irresponsible to code only for one specific browser per platform (which i assume is the reason for this approach). there are relatively simple scripts that any professional web designer knows of to detect browsers and display content accordingly. i abandoned safari earlier this year because it is really slow and lacks too much functionality that i can get directly or with add- ons in firefox. i know of no other programme that does not respect the user's own system-wide settings for default browser and other programmes. IE in particular has for years ignored many www standards that most other browsers have agreed to follow. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale Documentation Review
i have just started slamming my head against the wall coming back to finale after months away from notation. fun times. crashes whenever trying to access wizard (from menu or start-up window), meaning i can't use/define/access document styles. on the finalemusic.com downloads page i can't select the version (menu is visible but not accessible) and the search for finale updates doesn't seem to work. i also can't log in as an "existing online customer". is their site jammed? just getting started with finale 2008 things that i had never used before. so i don't have much to say about the documentation, but one thing stands out IMMEDIATELY. it is absolutely unacceptable to force users to use IE on windows and safari on mac. many people use other browsers and today it is irresponsible to code only for one specific browser per platform (which i assume is the reason for this approach). there are relatively simple scripts that any professional web designer knows of to detect browsers and display content accordingly. i abandoned safari earlier this year because it is really slow and lacks too much functionality that i can get directly or with add-ons in firefox. i know of no other programme that does not respect the user's own system-wide settings for default browser and other programmes. IE in particular has for years ignored many www standards that most other browsers have agreed to follow. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Context menus
Finally a breakthrough. It turns out that my missing menus were related to my monitor configuration. I use a 2-monitor setup. Whenever Finale is running on the first monitor, the context menus work fine. Whenever I drag Finale to monitor #2, I can no longer use the right-click menus. Is anybody else running a two-monitor system where the desktop spans the two monitors? I'd like to know how widespread the problem is. It could be something very specific to my monitor #2, which is very large (1920x1200), or it might affect everybody using a dual-monitor system. My system is Windows XP, Finale 2009 Craig Parmerlee wrote: Well, this problem is still not resolved. I ended up reinstalling the operating system. Everything is fine when I install Finale 2009. But as soon as I install the Garritan JABB library (with Kontact et al), Finale 2009 breaks, and won't show me the context menus. Is there anybody out there who is running Windows XP, Garritan JABB library, and Finale 2009? If so, does you right-click work? Craig Parmerlee wrote: In case anybody has similar problems, here is the solution from Finale. Evidently I had an INI file get corrupted. I haven't tested this yet, but it makes sense. 1. Close Finale. 2. Open a My Computer window. 3. Navigate into your Finale program's folder (usually in C:\Program Files\Finale 2009) 4. Find the Finale.ini file. This file will have the file type of "configuration settings". 5. Delete it. 6. Find the finmidi.ini file. This file will also have the file type of "Configuration Settings." 7. Delete it. 8. Now run Finale. Craig Parmerlee wrote: Yes, I believe so. It is working perfectly on all other applications. I went to apply patches to my operating system to see if any of that would make a difference. For some reason, none of the patches would apply, and of course Microsoft doesn't explain why. I was able to regress SP3 off my system, which cleared up the patching problem. I then reapplied SP3 and all other pending patches. That all seemed to go normally, so as far as I can tell, my OS is working properly, yet Finale still refuses to show those menus. Evidently something has gotten hosed in my registry. I have a ticket open with Finale. I expect I'll have to uninstall Finale, then do some manual editing on the registry before reinstalling. Ray Horton wrote: I have Finale 2009 on Windows 2009 with all appropriate menus. Right click context menus work fine. I'm no expert at all on this sort of thing, but is your mouse installed correctly? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Drum Parts
I have never tried this in this way until I followed your instructions. Sure enough, in FinMac 2009, the drum part suddenly turns into individual bars rest upon hitting Print. I suspect that multimeasure rests are automatically broken when staff styles are applied, and you don't see it until some kind of page updating is performed upon printing. I was going to suggest instead editing the multimeasure rest (Edit menu>Multimeasure rests>Edit...) and setting the Shape to zero and the number to start numbering at to 100 or some large number, but that too gets set to the default upon printing. This seems to be a big, hairy bug. Christopher On Aug 27, 2008, at 3:42 PM, Michael Greensill wrote: Drum part goings on! In my drum parts, when there are long stretches of playing time, I leave that time as empty measures and then when I do the part I use the "blank" staff style to cover up the rest numbers and then from my own text library I put in bold letters "PLAY 16". On a drum part I was doing today all was well until I pressed the "print' button. Whereupon it instantly reverted to all 16 barlines and printed out that way. This is using linked parts in 2008b. Anyone else seen this? Mike Greensill www.mikegreensill.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Unable to launch Finale
It's something to do with windowing. If they're set up this way already in prefs, you'll run into it. I *think* if you put them back it may work, but don't hold me to that. I hope all of you that are running into this send in a support request. The huge advantage to the new case system is that we have a very accurate picture of what we get contacted about. On Aug 27, 2008, at 3:43 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: Hi Allen, Yes, I resize my main tool palette, putting it into two rows and shortening it so tools I rarely use are hidden. Will this behavior stop, if I put the palette back to its original configuration? If so, can I find this original configuration without starting my preferences from scratch again, or will the fact that I moved it around in the first place "carry" the problem and require a complete preference rebuild? Or do you know? Thanks, Chuck On Aug 27, 2008, at 12:32 PM, Allen Fisher wrote: Are you guys resizing your palettes? There's a known issue with resizing palettes vertically in Leopard. Make sure to file this as a support case, and attach your corrupted preferences. On Aug 27, 2008, at 1:43 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: Hi Haroldo, Darned if I know. I take no pleasure from the fact that others are having this problem, but it's nice to have some company. Chuck On Aug 27, 2008, at 11:28 AM, Haroldo Mauro Jr. wrote: It just hapenned again, only a couple of days after trashing the preferences. Is this a problem involving Finale and Leopard? Harold At 10:08 -0700 27/8/08, Chuck Israels wrote: Hi Hiro, This seems to be system related, and I don't know what it is about my system that produces this behavior. I can predict, with some reliability, when it is going to happen, because there are early signs of the corruption. The first sign is that some instruments begin to play back at wrong transpositions. As this begins to occur, jumping back in the score to begin the playback at an earlier spot sometimes cures the problem for a while, but it eventually becomes incurable with that method. The next thing I do is close the file and reopen it - reloading the Garittan sounds in the process. Again, this works for a while. Then, suddenly, after entering a few notes, or changing pitches in one or two parts, the problem recurs and becomes persistent. At that point, I can be pretty sure that Finale will crash or not reopen after quitting, and the preferences will be corrupted. I only relate these details, in case there is anyone on the list who might have an idea what is going! on that produces this annoying behavior. I am surprised to hear that others have experienced this, because MM seems not to know anything about it. Chuck On Aug 27, 2008, at 9:34 AM, A-NO-NE Music wrote: On 2008/08/25(åé), at å“5:21, Chuck Israels wrote: I recommend making copies of the newly minted preference file and storing them somewhere handy in case this reoccurs. Then you can simply replace the troublesome corrupted file if this happens again. It seems only few of us are getting this problem? I simply zip it, which makes a backup next to the original. When this happens next time, I select the corrupted one, hit Cmd +Del, then double-click the zipped file. I do this at least once a week :-( -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Greater Boston http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Allen Fisher Founder and Principal Developer Fisher Art and Technology [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Allen Fisher Founder and Principal Developer Fisher Art and Technology [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Unable to launch Finale
It's not just Leopard. I'm in 10.4, and when I have to trash preferences (about twice a week, it seems!) the next time I launch Finale the first thing I do is make my palette into a long thin line. This crashes Finale instantly. If I quit and restart, then I can reshape my palette. Christopher On 27-Aug-08, at 27-Aug-08 3:32 PM, Allen Fisher wrote: Are you guys resizing your palettes? There's a known issue with resizing palettes vertically in Leopard. Make sure to file this as a support case, and attach your corrupted preferences. On Aug 27, 2008, at 1:43 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: Hi Haroldo, Darned if I know. I take no pleasure from the fact that others are having this problem, but it's nice to have some company. Chuck On Aug 27, 2008, at 11:28 AM, Haroldo Mauro Jr. wrote: It just hapenned again, only a couple of days after trashing the preferences. Is this a problem involving Finale and Leopard? Harold At 10:08 -0700 27/8/08, Chuck Israels wrote: Hi Hiro, This seems to be system related, and I don't know what it is about my system that produces this behavior. I can predict, with some reliability, when it is going to happen, because there are early signs of the corruption. The first sign is that some instruments begin to play back at wrong transpositions. As this begins to occur, jumping back in the score to begin the playback at an earlier spot sometimes cures the problem for a while, but it eventually becomes incurable with that method. The next thing I do is close the file and reopen it - reloading the Garittan sounds in the process. Again, this works for a while. Then, suddenly, after entering a few notes, or changing pitches in one or two parts, the problem recurs and becomes persistent. At that point, I can be pretty sure that Finale will crash or not reopen after quitting, and the preferences will be corrupted. I only relate these details, in case there is anyone on the list who might have an idea what is going! on that produces this annoying behavior. I am surprised to hear that others have experienced this, because MM seems not to know anything about it. Chuck On Aug 27, 2008, at 9:34 AM, A-NO-NE Music wrote: On 2008/08/25(åé), at å“5:21, Chuck Israels wrote: I recommend making copies of the newly minted preference file and storing them somewhere handy in case this reoccurs. Then you can simply replace the troublesome corrupted file if this happens again. It seems only few of us are getting this problem? I simply zip it, which makes a backup next to the original. When this happens next time, I select the corrupted one, hit Cmd +Del, then double-click the zipped file. I do this at least once a week :-( -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Greater Boston http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Allen Fisher Founder and Principal Developer Fisher Art and Technology [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] exploding bug in 2009
On 27-Aug-08, at 27-Aug-08 5:36 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: On Aug 27, 2008, at 2:19 PM, Jonathan Smith wrote: Ah, but the ONLY thing that doesn't get copied across is the smart shape. Any staff expression comes out in all the exploded parts, as does any accent, staccato, or any articulation assigned to the original chord. So the single instance theory seems to me to be applied in an inconsistent manner and is not at all logical to the idea of "explode" to parts. Also, I seem to remember that a few versions (years) back the hairpins and other smart shapes DID get transferred on explode, maybe others can remember? I'll open up a few older versions to see if I can put my finger on the exact one. That's what I remember too, rightly or not. I think the new behavior is related to the new expression design, which I find not to be without its problems. Some things work fine, but this does not, and there are issues with linked parts and the fact that you can't assign a dynamic to a note in layer two and have it position itself in relation to that note. (Down stem bass drum notes in drum set parts, for instance.) Chuck Hmm, I don't remember that. Maybe it was before Smart hairpins? I only ever had it working in TG Tools. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Finale Documentation Review
PDFs of the 2009 Manual can be downloaded here: http://tiny.cc/EV1zP Daniel Wolf ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] exploding bug in 2009
Jonathan Smith wrote: Ah, but the ONLY thing that doesn't get copied across is the smart shape. Any staff expression comes out in all the exploded parts, as does any accent, staccato, or any articulation assigned to the original chord. So the single instance theory seems to me to be applied in an inconsistent manner and is not at all logical to the idea of "explode" to parts. Also, I seem to remember that a few versions (years) back the hairpins and other smart shapes DID get transferred on explode, maybe others can remember? I'll open up a few older versions to see if I can put my finger on the exact one. Jonathan When you explode, there is only a single instance of each hairpin and expression, so to end up with one on each new staff means that the developers need to create more instances of those hairpins and expressions. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale There goes my theory. :-) then we can chalk it up to less-than-adequate-time-to-get-things-right and blame the stupid accountants who run MakeMusic. I know the development team can get everything correct, if the stupid bean-counters would take them off this vicious "get-it-out-the-door-each-year-despite-any-bugs" mentality and get them on the "get-it-right-and-then-we'll-sell-it" mentality. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] exploding bug in 2009
On Aug 27, 2008, at 2:19 PM, Jonathan Smith wrote: Ah, but the ONLY thing that doesn't get copied across is the smart shape. Any staff expression comes out in all the exploded parts, as does any accent, staccato, or any articulation assigned to the original chord. So the single instance theory seems to me to be applied in an inconsistent manner and is not at all logical to the idea of "explode" to parts. Also, I seem to remember that a few versions (years) back the hairpins and other smart shapes DID get transferred on explode, maybe others can remember? I'll open up a few older versions to see if I can put my finger on the exact one. That's what I remember too, rightly or not. I think the new behavior is related to the new expression design, which I find not to be without its problems. Some things work fine, but this does not, and there are issues with linked parts and the fact that you can't assign a dynamic to a note in layer two and have it position itself in relation to that note. (Down stem bass drum notes in drum set parts, for instance.) Chuck Jonathan When you explode, there is only a single instance of each hairpin and expression, so to end up with one on each new staff means that the developers need to create more instances of those hairpins and expressions. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] exploding bug in 2009
Ah, but the ONLY thing that doesn't get copied across is the smart shape. Any staff expression comes out in all the exploded parts, as does any accent, staccato, or any articulation assigned to the original chord. So the single instance theory seems to me to be applied in an inconsistent manner and is not at all logical to the idea of "explode" to parts. Also, I seem to remember that a few versions (years) back the hairpins and other smart shapes DID get transferred on explode, maybe others can remember? I'll open up a few older versions to see if I can put my finger on the exact one. Jonathan When you explode, there is only a single instance of each hairpin and expression, so to end up with one on each new staff means that the developers need to create more instances of those hairpins and expressions. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 09 new install and ambience reverb
On 2008/08/27(水), at 後3:49, Darcy James Argue wrote: Hi Hiro, I'm pretty sure I've answered this before. Yes, but not for the questions I was looking for the answer :-) Hope we can get to that this time. You need to make sure that the file "gpofull2instrument.txt" is installed Yes, I know. The problem is the file isn't on the net to download. If you have fully updated GPO, it will probably be on your machine somewhere, Nope. Not on a clean built machine. The original GPO installer even doesn't run on current system. This is the problem. I had been searching on Garritan and MM sites but to no avail, and that was the question which has never got any responses :-) If you don't have it, you can download it from here (scroll down to Carla's post): http://forum.makemusic.com/default.aspx?f=5&m=173713&g=183543#m183550 This is the answer I was looking for. Man, it was hard to find. I just searched the one for JaBB but I couldn't find it. I really think MM should put them under their download section. Unfortunately I no longer need them since I now use GPO and JaBB in Kontakt3 only (meaning I don't install Kintact Player for saving CPU), and there doesn't seems to be any way to implement instrument.txt files for K3. This was another question I asked, which received no response. To recap the last question, is there anyway to create a custom instrument.txt file for K3? -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Greater Boston http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Unable to launch Finale
On 2008/08/27(水), at 後3:32, Allen Fisher wrote: Are you guys resizing your palettes? There's a known issue with resizing palettes vertically in Leopard. Like Chuck, I do make it in two raws as soon as I have a new install, but after that I will never touch the palettes especially because I just reuse the pref backup. Yet I get pref corruption at least once a week. -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Greater Boston http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Frontier Alphatrack with Finale?
Is there a way to use the Frontier Alphatrack with Finale? -Mark McCarron ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Unable to launch Finale
Hi Allen, Yes, I resize my main tool palette, putting it into two rows and shortening it so tools I rarely use are hidden. Will this behavior stop, if I put the palette back to its original configuration? If so, can I find this original configuration without starting my preferences from scratch again, or will the fact that I moved it around in the first place "carry" the problem and require a complete preference rebuild? Or do you know? Thanks, Chuck On Aug 27, 2008, at 12:32 PM, Allen Fisher wrote: Are you guys resizing your palettes? There's a known issue with resizing palettes vertically in Leopard. Make sure to file this as a support case, and attach your corrupted preferences. On Aug 27, 2008, at 1:43 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: Hi Haroldo, Darned if I know. I take no pleasure from the fact that others are having this problem, but it's nice to have some company. Chuck On Aug 27, 2008, at 11:28 AM, Haroldo Mauro Jr. wrote: It just hapenned again, only a couple of days after trashing the preferences. Is this a problem involving Finale and Leopard? Harold At 10:08 -0700 27/8/08, Chuck Israels wrote: Hi Hiro, This seems to be system related, and I don't know what it is about my system that produces this behavior. I can predict, with some reliability, when it is going to happen, because there are early signs of the corruption. The first sign is that some instruments begin to play back at wrong transpositions. As this begins to occur, jumping back in the score to begin the playback at an earlier spot sometimes cures the problem for a while, but it eventually becomes incurable with that method. The next thing I do is close the file and reopen it - reloading the Garittan sounds in the process. Again, this works for a while. Then, suddenly, after entering a few notes, or changing pitches in one or two parts, the problem recurs and becomes persistent. At that point, I can be pretty sure that Finale will crash or not reopen after quitting, and the preferences will be corrupted. I only relate these details, in case there is anyone on the list who might have an idea what is going! on that produces this annoying behavior. I am surprised to hear that others have experienced this, because MM seems not to know anything about it. Chuck On Aug 27, 2008, at 9:34 AM, A-NO-NE Music wrote: On 2008/08/25(åé), at å“5:21, Chuck Israels wrote: I recommend making copies of the newly minted preference file and storing them somewhere handy in case this reoccurs. Then you can simply replace the troublesome corrupted file if this happens again. It seems only few of us are getting this problem? I simply zip it, which makes a backup next to the original. When this happens next time, I select the corrupted one, hit Cmd +Del, then double-click the zipped file. I do this at least once a week :-( -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Greater Boston http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Allen Fisher Founder and Principal Developer Fisher Art and Technology [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale Documentation Review
Williams, Jim wrote: I asked on the MM forum for a PDF manual for 2008 and one existed; Carla gave me the URL, and I downloaded it and printed it all out. I'll bet that a request for a 2009 manual in PDF format might yield similar results. I'll try it or you can. Jim Surely you want to share that URL with us? Barbara ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Unable to launch Finale
YES! I resize it vertically in one long single column and place it at the far right of the computer screen. As a matter of fact this was the first thingI did after trashing the preferences and restarting Finale. So, that explains why the problem returned so soon. Thanks. Harold At 14:32 -0500 27/8/08, Allen Fisher wrote: >Are you guys resizing your palettes? There's a known issue with resizing >palettes vertically in Leopard. > >Make sure to file this as a support case, and attach your corrupted >preferences. > >On Aug 27, 2008, at 1:43 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: > >>Hi Haroldo, >> >>Darned if I know. I take no pleasure from the fact that others are having >>this problem, but it's nice to have some company. >> >>Chuck >> >> >>On Aug 27, 2008, at 11:28 AM, Haroldo Mauro Jr. wrote: >> >>>It just hapenned again, only a couple of days after trashing the >>>preferences. Is this a problem involving Finale and Leopard? >>> >>>Harold >>> >>> >>>At 10:08 -0700 27/8/08, Chuck Israels wrote: Hi Hiro, This seems to be system related, and I don't know what it is about my system that produces this behavior. I can predict, with some reliability, when it is going to happen, because there are early signs of the corruption. The first sign is that some instruments begin to play back at wrong transpositions. As this begins to occur, jumping back in the score to begin the playback at an earlier spot sometimes cures the problem for a while, but it eventually becomes incurable with that method. The next thing I do is close the file and reopen it - reloading the Garittan sounds in the process. Again, this works for a while. Then, suddenly, after entering a few notes, or changing pitches in one or two parts, the problem recurs and becomes persistent. At that point, I can be pretty sure that Finale will crash or not reopen after quitting, and the preferences will be corrupted. I only relate these details, in case there is anyone on the list who might have an idea what is go! ing! >>>on that produces this annoying behavior. I am surprised to hear that others have experienced this, because MM seems not to know anything about it. Chuck On Aug 27, 2008, at 9:34 AM, A-NO-NE Music wrote: > >On 2008/08/25(åé), at å"5:21, Chuck Israels wrote: > >>I recommend making copies of the newly minted preference file and storing >>them somewhere handy in case this reoccurs. Then you can simply replace >>the troublesome corrupted file if this happens again. > > >It seems only few of us are getting this problem? > >I simply zip it, which makes a backup next to the original. When this >happens next time, I select the corrupted one, hit Cmd+Del, then >double-click the zipped file. I do this at least once a week :-( > > >-- >- Hiro > >Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Greater Boston >http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com > >___ >Finale mailing list >Finale@shsu.edu >http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >>> >>> >>>___ >>>Finale mailing list >>>Finale@shsu.edu >>>http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> >>Chuck Israels >>230 North Garden Terrace >>Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 >>phone (360) 671-3402 >>fax (360) 676-6055 >>www.chuckisraels.com >> >> >>___ >>Finale mailing list >>Finale@shsu.edu >>http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > >Allen Fisher >Founder and Principal Developer >Fisher Art and Technology >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > >___ >Finale mailing list >Finale@shsu.edu >http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Finale Documentation Review
I asked on the MM forum for a PDF manual for 2008 and one existed; Carla gave me the URL, and I downloaded it and printed it all out. I'll bet that a request for a 2009 manual in PDF format might yield similar results. I'll try it or you can. Jim From: Daniel Wolf Sent: Wed 27-Aug-08 13:18 To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale Documentation Review Since MM seems disinterested in producing a paper edition of the manual, wouldn't it be useful to be able to purchase essentially a hard copy of the html through a print-on-demand publisher like Lulu.com? Daniel Wolf ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Unable to launch Finale
Are you guys resizing your palettes? There's a known issue with resizing palettes vertically in Leopard. Make sure to file this as a support case, and attach your corrupted preferences. On Aug 27, 2008, at 1:43 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: Hi Haroldo, Darned if I know. I take no pleasure from the fact that others are having this problem, but it's nice to have some company. Chuck On Aug 27, 2008, at 11:28 AM, Haroldo Mauro Jr. wrote: It just hapenned again, only a couple of days after trashing the preferences. Is this a problem involving Finale and Leopard? Harold At 10:08 -0700 27/8/08, Chuck Israels wrote: Hi Hiro, This seems to be system related, and I don't know what it is about my system that produces this behavior. I can predict, with some reliability, when it is going to happen, because there are early signs of the corruption. The first sign is that some instruments begin to play back at wrong transpositions. As this begins to occur, jumping back in the score to begin the playback at an earlier spot sometimes cures the problem for a while, but it eventually becomes incurable with that method. The next thing I do is close the file and reopen it - reloading the Garittan sounds in the process. Again, this works for a while. Then, suddenly, after entering a few notes, or changing pitches in one or two parts, the problem recurs and becomes persistent. At that point, I can be pretty sure that Finale will crash or not reopen after quitting, and the preferences will be corrupted. I only relate these details, in case there is anyone on the list who might have an idea what is going! on that produces this annoying behavior. I am surprised to hear that others have experienced this, because MM seems not to know anything about it. Chuck On Aug 27, 2008, at 9:34 AM, A-NO-NE Music wrote: On 2008/08/25(åé), at å“5:21, Chuck Israels wrote: I recommend making copies of the newly minted preference file and storing them somewhere handy in case this reoccurs. Then you can simply replace the troublesome corrupted file if this happens again. It seems only few of us are getting this problem? I simply zip it, which makes a backup next to the original. When this happens next time, I select the corrupted one, hit Cmd+Del, then double-click the zipped file. I do this at least once a week :-( -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Greater Boston http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Allen Fisher Founder and Principal Developer Fisher Art and Technology [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 09 new install and ambience reverb
Hi Hiro, I'm pretty sure I've answered this before. You need to make sure that the file "gpofull2instrument.txt" is installed in the FinaleAU folder in the "Finale 200X" application folder for every version of Finale you have on your machine (going back to Fin2007). If you have fully updated GPO, it will probably be on your machine somewhere, so just do a search and then opt-drag (i.e., copy) the file to the appropriate location(s). If you don't have it, you can download it from here (scroll down to Carla's post): http://forum.makemusic.com/default.aspx?f=5&m=173713&g=183543#m183550 It would be nice if the Finale installer was smart enough to check for full GPO installation and install this file automatically if GPO is found on your system. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On Aug 27, 2008, at 2:14 PM, A-NO-NE Music wrote: On 2008/08/23(土), at 後3:28, David Froom wrote: 2) The full GPO does not show up in the setup wizard as a choice. This is probably caused by installing GPO before Finale. Other than reinstalling GPO, I would like to know the solution to this as well. In fact, I asked this question more than a few times here but I never received any response as far as I remember. -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Greater Boston http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Drum Parts
Drum part goings on! In my drum parts, when there are long stretches of playing time, I leave that time as empty measures and then when I do the part I use the "blank" staff style to cover up the rest numbers and then from my own text library I put in bold letters "PLAY 16". On a drum part I was doing today all was well until I pressed the "print' button. Whereupon it instantly reverted to all 16 barlines and printed out that way. This is using linked parts in 2008b. Anyone else seen this? Mike Greensill www.mikegreensill.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 09 new install and ambience reverb
look on the CD/DVD for a file called GPOFullInstruments.txt or something like that and place that in /applications/Finale \FinaleAU (mac) or C:\Program Files\Finale \FinaleVST, or check with Garritan. Maybe they have the file for download. On Aug 27, 2008, at 1:14 PM, A-NO-NE Music wrote: On 2008/08/23(土), at 後3:28, David Froom wrote: 2) The full GPO does not show up in the setup wizard as a choice. This is probably caused by installing GPO before Finale. Other than reinstalling GPO, I would like to know the solution to this as well. In fact, I asked this question more than a few times here but I never received any response as far as I remember. -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Greater Boston http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Allen Fisher Founder and Principal Developer Fisher Art and Technology [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 09 new install and ambience reverb
On 2008/08/23(土), at 後3:28, David Froom wrote: 2) The full GPO does not show up in the setup wizard as a choice. This is probably caused by installing GPO before Finale. Other than reinstalling GPO, I would like to know the solution to this as well. In fact, I asked this question more than a few times here but I never received any response as far as I remember. -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Greater Boston http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Unable to launch Finale
On 2008/08/27(水), at 後1:08, Chuck Israels wrote: Hi Hiro, This seems to be system related, and I don't know what it is about my system that produces this behavior. I can predict, with some reliability, when it is going to happen, because there are early signs of the corruption. It happens on both of my G5 Dual 2.5MHz/3.5GB/OSX10.4.x and MBP 2.4MHz/ 4GB/OSX10.4.x. Both doesn't share the audio/MIDI hardware. Former is in my studio, and latter is in my live rig. Yet both gives me this problem out of blue. Unlike you described, it just happens on one of the launches a week. I am usually good with troubleshooting but never found a slightest consistency on this one :-( I don't use playback feature. Most of my daily use is for lead sheet before gig/rehearsal. What else... Hm. -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Greater Boston http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Unable to launch Finale
Hi Haroldo, Darned if I know. I take no pleasure from the fact that others are having this problem, but it's nice to have some company. Chuck On Aug 27, 2008, at 11:28 AM, Haroldo Mauro Jr. wrote: It just hapenned again, only a couple of days after trashing the preferences. Is this a problem involving Finale and Leopard? Harold At 10:08 -0700 27/8/08, Chuck Israels wrote: Hi Hiro, This seems to be system related, and I don't know what it is about my system that produces this behavior. I can predict, with some reliability, when it is going to happen, because there are early signs of the corruption. The first sign is that some instruments begin to play back at wrong transpositions. As this begins to occur, jumping back in the score to begin the playback at an earlier spot sometimes cures the problem for a while, but it eventually becomes incurable with that method. The next thing I do is close the file and reopen it - reloading the Garittan sounds in the process. Again, this works for a while. Then, suddenly, after entering a few notes, or changing pitches in one or two parts, the problem recurs and becomes persistent. At that point, I can be pretty sure that Finale will crash or not reopen after quitting, and the preferences will be corrupted. I only relate these details, in case there is anyone on the list who might have an idea what is going! on that produces this annoying behavior. I am surprised to hear that others have experienced this, because MM seems not to know anything about it. Chuck On Aug 27, 2008, at 9:34 AM, A-NO-NE Music wrote: On 2008/08/25(åé), at å“5:21, Chuck Israels wrote: I recommend making copies of the newly minted preference file and storing them somewhere handy in case this reoccurs. Then you can simply replace the troublesome corrupted file if this happens again. It seems only few of us are getting this problem? I simply zip it, which makes a backup next to the original. When this happens next time, I select the corrupted one, hit Cmd+Del, then double-click the zipped file. I do this at least once a week :-( -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Greater Boston http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Unable to launch Finale
It just hapenned again, only a couple of days after trashing the preferences. Is this a problem involving Finale and Leopard? Harold At 10:08 -0700 27/8/08, Chuck Israels wrote: >Hi Hiro, > >This seems to be system related, and I don't know what it is about my system >that produces this behavior. I can predict, with some reliability, when it is >going to happen, because there are early signs of the corruption. The first >sign is that some instruments begin to play back at wrong transpositions. As >this begins to occur, jumping back in the score to begin the playback at an >earlier spot sometimes cures the problem for a while, but it eventually >becomes incurable with that method. The next thing I do is close the file and >reopen it - reloading the Garittan sounds in the process. Again, this works >for a while. Then, suddenly, after entering a few notes, or changing pitches >in one or two parts, the problem recurs and becomes persistent. At that >point, I can be pretty sure that Finale will crash or not reopen after >quitting, and the preferences will be corrupted. I only relate these details, >in case there is anyone on the list who might have an idea what is going! on that produces this annoying behavior. > >I am surprised to hear that others have experienced this, because MM seems not >to know anything about it. > >Chuck > > >On Aug 27, 2008, at 9:34 AM, A-NO-NE Music wrote: > >> >>On 2008/08/25(åé), at å5:21, Chuck Israels wrote: >> >>>I recommend making copies of the newly minted preference file and storing >>>them somewhere handy in case this reoccurs. Then you can simply replace the >>>troublesome corrupted file if this happens again. >> >> >>It seems only few of us are getting this problem? >> >>I simply zip it, which makes a backup next to the original. When this >>happens next time, I select the corrupted one, hit Cmd+Del, then double-click >>the zipped file. I do this at least once a week :-( >> >> >>-- >>- Hiro >> >>Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Greater Boston >>http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com >> >>___ >>Finale mailing list >>Finale@shsu.edu >>http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > >Chuck Israels >230 North Garden Terrace >Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 >phone (360) 671-3402 >fax (360) 676-6055 >www.chuckisraels.com > >___ >Finale mailing list >Finale@shsu.edu >http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale Documentation Review
I'm with Chuck on this one, I can't absorb anything on the computer screen. I came in at Finale 3.0 and those 3 books were the reason I learnt the program from the beginning to the end. I can't imagine ploughing through it now and on-line to boot! It may one of the reasons that the program seems so daunting to many new users. I've watched the video tutorials, but that's still no substitute for staring intently at some methodology that just won't stick in your brain. Does Sibelius have a manual? I do like the idea of being able to print out a section at a time. Also they could have separate sections just to explain the changes that have been made from up-grade to up-grade. I would love a section that saidYou used to do this...now you have to do this! Mike Greensill www.mikegreensill.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale Documentation Review
Chuck Israels wrote: Somehow, reading hard copy conveys information to my brain in a way that reading a computer monitor does not. I don't know if this is generational or more or less universal, but the experiences are palpably different to me. I can't imagine absorbing complex and detailed information conveyed in screen pixels. I'd love a real manual, but I recognize the enormity of the problem of designing and printing one every time there's an upgrade. Conveniently printable pages - the section you might need at the moment, would certainly help me. ( One button per subject - "Print this section.") I agree with reading away from a computer screen, but if they don't want to print them, perhaps they could open an account with lulu.com (I think that's the name) for print-on-demand which would be much better than the 2-up photocopy type junk they sell now. And I would even love to see them release it in ebook format -- I have a Sony Reader (the PRS500) which would require formatting for the Sony .lrf format, but the newer version, the 505, has just added the Adobe DE capability, which seems to be the coming standard for ebook publishing, so perhaps they would make such a download available free of charge at the Finale web-site for registered users. I think I might investigate using some conversion tools I have currently and seeing if the HTML documentation might be easily converted to Sony format. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale Documentation Review
Somehow, reading hard copy conveys information to my brain in a way that reading a computer monitor does not. I don't know if this is generational or more or less universal, but the experiences are palpably different to me. I can't imagine absorbing complex and detailed information conveyed in screen pixels. I'd love a real manual, but I recognize the enormity of the problem of designing and printing one every time there's an upgrade. Conveniently printable pages - the section you might need at the moment, would certainly help me. ( One button per subject - "Print this section.") Chuck On Aug 27, 2008, at 9:52 AM, A-NO-NE Music wrote: I don't consider a manual if I can't read it in my bedtime. I usually print PDF manual out but Finale manual is too big for home printing. So, I paid for the printed manual from MM a few years ago, only to find they are printed sideway, 2 pages side by side. This won't let me read in my bed. And when I received it, the new version was already at the corner. I really miss the glorious Finale 1.0 manual set, a set of 3 books. I would like to ask for a better printed manual, and special manual for owner of the previous version which is only a new sections to the previous version. P.S., Mark, are you related to another MM big guy, Michael Johnson? :-) -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Greater Boston http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale Documentation Review
Since MM seems disinterested in producing a paper edition of the manual, wouldn't it be useful to be able to purchase essentially a hard copy of the html through a print-on-demand publisher like Lulu.com? Daniel Wolf ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Unable to launch Finale
Hi Hiro, This seems to be system related, and I don't know what it is about my system that produces this behavior. I can predict, with some reliability, when it is going to happen, because there are early signs of the corruption. The first sign is that some instruments begin to play back at wrong transpositions. As this begins to occur, jumping back in the score to begin the playback at an earlier spot sometimes cures the problem for a while, but it eventually becomes incurable with that method. The next thing I do is close the file and reopen it - reloading the Garittan sounds in the process. Again, this works for a while. Then, suddenly, after entering a few notes, or changing pitches in one or two parts, the problem recurs and becomes persistent. At that point, I can be pretty sure that Finale will crash or not reopen after quitting, and the preferences will be corrupted. I only relate these details, in case there is anyone on the list who might have an idea what is going on that produces this annoying behavior. I am surprised to hear that others have experienced this, because MM seems not to know anything about it. Chuck On Aug 27, 2008, at 9:34 AM, A-NO-NE Music wrote: On 2008/08/25(月), at 後5:21, Chuck Israels wrote: I recommend making copies of the newly minted preference file and storing them somewhere handy in case this reoccurs. Then you can simply replace the troublesome corrupted file if this happens again. It seems only few of us are getting this problem? I simply zip it, which makes a backup next to the original. When this happens next time, I select the corrupted one, hit Cmd+Del, then double-click the zipped file. I do this at least once a week :-( -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Greater Boston http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale Documentation Review
I don't consider a manual if I can't read it in my bedtime. I usually print PDF manual out but Finale manual is too big for home printing. So, I paid for the printed manual from MM a few years ago, only to find they are printed sideway, 2 pages side by side. This won't let me read in my bed. And when I received it, the new version was already at the corner. I really miss the glorious Finale 1.0 manual set, a set of 3 books. I would like to ask for a better printed manual, and special manual for owner of the previous version which is only a new sections to the previous version. P.S., Mark, are you related to another MM big guy, Michael Johnson? :-) -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Greater Boston http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Unable to launch Finale
On 2008/08/25(月), at 後5:21, Chuck Israels wrote: I recommend making copies of the newly minted preference file and storing them somewhere handy in case this reoccurs. Then you can simply replace the troublesome corrupted file if this happens again. It seems only few of us are getting this problem? I simply zip it, which makes a backup next to the original. When this happens next time, I select the corrupted one, hit Cmd+Del, then double-click the zipped file. I do this at least once a week :-( -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Greater Boston http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] exploding bug in 2009
Jonathan Smith wrote: Oh no! I was really hoping that this would have been improved in 2009. I have 2009 but haven't installed yet as I'm in the middle of a big project, I was also going to wait for the first tech. upgrade based on my experiences of previous upgrades. I must start to use TG tools if it copies across the hairpins, something I have never understood why the explode metatool never covered- I mean, isn't it plainly obvious that 99% of users would want all expressions etc to go with the explosion into the separate parts? The ironic thing that is that if you choose to IMPLODE multi parts you get multiple expressions and hairpins in the target part - again, exactly what you don't want in this case, but it proves that they could easily program these things in if a little thought was to go into it. [snip] While I agree with your assessment of the need for haripins and expressions to copy when we explode one staff to multiple staves and that we don't need multiple hairpins and expressions when we implode, I have to say that your logic about the developers' ability to program stuff doesn't hold up. When you have multiple staves, each with their own hairpins and expressions, those things get copied with the notes when the notes get copied (along with the music from other staves) onto a single staff when we Implode. The programmers don't create those multiple instances, they're already in the data. When you explode, there is only a single instance of each hairpin and expression, so to end up with one on each new staff means that the developers need to create more instances of those hairpins and expressions. It's not that they did the programming when they shouldn't have and they didn't do it when they should have, it's simply a matter of the Implode and Explode functions copy all the data available, plain and simple. So the programmers will need to come up with a subroutine which duplicates the hairpins and expressions to equal the number of separate staves which will be created by the Explode function. Definitely needed, but I don't think it's an easy thing to do. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] exploding bug in 2009
Oh no! I was really hoping that this would have been improved in 2009. I have 2009 but haven't installed yet as I'm in the middle of a big project, I was also going to wait for the first tech. upgrade based on my experiences of previous upgrades. I must start to use TG tools if it copies across the hairpins, something I have never understood why the explode metatool never covered- I mean, isn't it plainly obvious that 99% of users would want all expressions etc to go with the explosion into the separate parts? The ironic thing that is that if you choose to IMPLODE multi parts you get multiple expressions and hairpins in the target part - again, exactly what you don't want in this case, but it proves that they could easily program these things in if a little thought was to go into it. There must be a lot of people who use the explode facility, and it's something which a first timer would always demand from a chord based or piano reduction - so why can't this be perfected, even advanced to work a bit like the mass mover filter/choices? Jonathan Hi Chuck, This is indeed the new behaviour, though I doubt it is a bug. It's just a stupid change that they probably enacted knowingly with the new expressions, but without checking who needed it first. I liked being able to put all my dynamics, articulations, slurs and hairpins in before exploding. In TG Tools Smart Explosion it even copies the hairpins. Now if I use Finale's explode function, I will have to copy Smart Hairpins as before, but now I have to add Expressions. Christopher On 22-Aug-08, at 22-Aug-08 10:14 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: Can anyone confirm a bug in which exploding one staff to multiple staves no longer explodes expressions (dynamics) along with the notes? I want to make sure this bug is real before reporting it. Thanks, Chuck ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
