Re: Fjord WANTED
This message is from: jen frame Hi Corinne,I don't have a short Fjord for sale, but I am responding to your e-mail because ever since I got my 13.2 hand mare, I've wondered if there are 12.1 or 12.2 hand Fjords out there, so I am happy to hear that you have one. She must be so totally adorable! I would love a small one too! Just can't afford any more horses right now... But would you send a pic of your shorty?! Thanks Jen in Texas with Splendora the 13.2 hand Fjord On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Willows Edge Farm wrote: > This message is from: "Willows Edge Farm" > > ... our little 12 year old Fjord mare - she's > tiny at 12.2hh. .I though there are probably > others out there. > > Corinne Logan > Willows Edge Farm > Bothell, WA > (425) 402-6781 > www.willowsedgefarm.com > > > __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > database 4134 (20090605) __ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Gnats
This message is from: Jen Frame Sherri, vitamin B1 eaten by humans and horses helpsvtremendously in keeping all blood sucking insects away including gnats. I eat a B1 pill twice a day & I feed my horses the highest safe dose (650 mg) everyday in gnat season and see spectacular results. It dramatically reduces the amount of topical toxins I need to put on me and the horses Jen Sent from my iPhone On May 22, 2009, at 1:45 PM, Linda Lottie wrote: This message is from: Linda Lottie Sheri..the Cashel company makes a "fly mask" for people. Linda Linda Baker Lottie Wild Wind Farm Equestrian Center "Where Hearts and Hooves Come Together" Grantsburg WI No love, no friendship can cross the path of our destiny without leaving some mark on it forever. -Francois Muriac www.heartsandhoovesforever.blogspot.com Is there a spray that will keep them away from me as well as the horses? Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: gone beyond the grazing muzzle
This message is from: jen frame I was just going to mention Renegade boots, and then some one else did. Call Kirt at Renegade boots, and tell him what is going on. He will talk you through how to heal her foot so you don't have to put her down. He is amazing. You'd be surprised at how many vets and farriers reccomend putting down foundered horses with the coffin bone piercing through the sole, and how many of these horses get rehabbed and live happy healthy pain free lives when a Natural Hoofcare specialist helps them out.I wish you and your mare the best. I totally feel for you, Jen (whose Fjord LOVES her Renegade boots!) On 5/7/09, Cherie Mascis wrote: > > This message is from: "Cherie Mascis" > > I've just finished rehabbing my boss's Paso Fino who had a pretty severe > rotation in all four feet and then abscessed in both front feet. She is now > sound in the pasture and arena and rides fine with Renegade boots on rockier > trails. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: hay
This message is from: Jen Frame Hi Debby, I don't know where to get Timothy, but I get gorgeous coastal from Gary Wallace in square bales. Do you need his phone number? He is not far from you. His bales cost $5.50 Jen Sent from my iPhone On Apr 8, 2009, at 10:27 AM, "Debby" wrote: This message is from: "Debby" Anyone on this list know where I can get 2strand timothy in northeast Texas thanks. Debby Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Who Chooses the Hay?
This message is from: jen frame Kate, I would be inclined to not let the ponies choose, and to buy the hay that you think is healthiest. Just cuz they like it doesn't mean it's good for them. Infact it may mean that it is higher in sugars, and Fjords should have as low a sugar content in their hay as is possible. Also, I remember hearing that Fescue is bad for horses--I think it makes pregnant mares abort. But I could be totally wrong about that-- I suggest doing some research. It may be a different hay, and not fescue that causes abortion. I think it is the molds that the particular hay in question grows that causes the abortions. even if your horses aren't pregnant, mold that causes abortion can't be good for non-pregnant horses either... But PLEASE double check me, I think I could be wrong on the type of hay Jen in Texas where we feed Coastal Bermuda On 4/8/09, katesei...@aol.com wrote: > > This message is from: katesei...@aol.com > > I feed fescue hay. So now it is time to buy some more, and > I am inclined to let the ponies decide on our hay supplier by what they > like. > > What would you go with - the hay that looks better to you, or the hay that > the horses like better? > > Kate Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Horse Slaughter
This message is from: jen frame Well put Emily!And in response to your plea for education: I was a pro-animal person my whole life, and participated in dog rescue. But I had no idea that horses were being slaughtered in America for human consumption in some other countries. I mean truly no idea. I still remember the moment I learned about it: I had moved to Texas from San Francisco, and had started attending our local monthly horse auction. One day at a party of my husband's Texas friends, I started telling a man who owns a few race horses as a hobby, about seeing horses sell for so CHEAP at our local auction. He told me that those horses were undoubtedly going to slaughter. WHAT? I shrieked. And thus began my education. that was in 2004. When I told my San Francisco friends about this, they were apalled. No one who is not in the horse world has any idea this is going on. And many of those, people, despite the fact that they do not own horses, absolutely do NOT want American horses slaughtered for human consumption. The very idea hurts and repulses them at the very core of their humanity. So you are right Emily: this is a dirty secret, going on right under the noses of many people who would oppose it if they had the option to know about it and vote on it. So the education needs to happen in the realm outside the world of horse owners and breeder too. Jen On 4/2/09, Emily Wigley wrote: > > This message is from: Emily Wigley > > So, what we need to do is SELF REGULATE. That is the same as being >> responsible. >> > Exactly! Self regulating is best done, in my opinion, through education. > Stand tall when you explain why you bought that horse (foal or adult) > instead of breeding another. Stand tall when you explain why you sadly put > a dear horse down at the end of its comfortable life with you. Breeders and > trainers have the opportunity to educate every time they talk with a > potential client. Responsible breeding is just that - responsible, > thoroughly thought out breeding of quality animals. Responsible training is > just that -- training animals in a responsible manner so they will have > happy, useful lives. One of the toughest things is that the excuse of > expense is often thrown up before the acceptance of responsibility. It is > expensive to own a horse, a dog, a lizard, a bird. We are responsible for > the care of all creatures we bring into our lives. Educate, educate, > educate. Don't make it all a secret, and others will understand and self > regulate. > Off my soapbox for now, > Emily > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Horse slaughter
This message is from: jen frame Hi Jean!Well the idea, in the abstract, is a good one, but in actuality/practice it becomes FACISM. So as much as we may like there to be laws that dictate how many kids or how many horses a person can create, it can't be done in a democracy. So, what we need to do is SELF REGULATE. That is the same as being responsible. But sadly many horse breeders and horse owners don't want to act responsibly. Perhaps the breed organization itself could be involved in regulation--I have no idea what that would entail. I'll leave that idea up to the Mike Mays of the Fjord world to think about (or not). Jen On 4/2/09, jern...@mosquitonet.com wrote: > > This message is from: jern...@mosquitonet.com > > Maybe there should be laws against people who can't take care of them > having too > many children, too, like China has? > > Jean in Fairbanks, AK > > > This message is from: Robin Churchill > > > > I have to say that this time, jen, I agree with you. The root of the > problem is > > that there are too many horses, too many dogs and cats, etc mainly > because people > > are allowed to do whatever they want to and dispose of companion-type > animals when > > it suits them. There should be much stricter regulation on breeding of > horses and > > other animals. People should not be able to just breed indiscriminately > then allow > > the animals to be discarded. > > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Horse slaughter
This message is from: jen frame Laura, I'm wondering why you are "stirring" the pot in the way that you did? What is your intention? It seems, by your questions, that you may be trying to say that you think people who are against horse slaughter for human consumption in non-american countries are hippocrates. Seems you haven't thought through this stuff. The answer is very simple: in America we have many shared values. Some people ofcourse diverge from those values, but there are many values that are shared by the majority. One of those shared value systems encompases how we value different animals differently. In America, we value horses and dogs and cats differently than we value cows and pigs and chickens. We categorize cows and pigs and chicken as FOOD, and we value cats and dogs as PETS (i.e we don't eat them, although other cultures in other countries do eat them) and we value horses as service animals without whom America could never have been built, and wars could never have been won. Some people like Temple Grandin even go so far as to say that humans and horses co-evolved and that us humans could not be as advanced as we are in some areas, without horses (i.e. we DON'T eat them, they have been paramount to our advancement as a human race). If as an entire nation, we have decided that we value horses in such a way that slaughtering them and eating them is NOT ok, then it goes against the values by which we live, to allow OUR horses to be slaughtered and eaten in other countries. I am not willing to comment on whether it is "OK" for us to slaughter the animals we consider meat animals. I have my own opinions on that, as does each person on this list. I will say that the methods of mass farming and animal raising and antibiotic use, and methods of slaughter etc, should be questioned.. As for the answer to what to do with a humainly euthanized horse, for crying out loud I am shocked that you asked that question! Why is it that when a horse is convienant to you (i.e. young, healthy, winning ribbons for you, of service, etc) you are able to find ways to solve all the potential burdens that horse causes you like cost of feed, where to board it, fixing fences, vet bills if injury or illness occurs, but once that animal needs to die, you find it so darn INCONVIENANT to have to figure out a way to help that horse die in dignity and without betraying the bond that horse had with you? I mean COME ON PEOPLE: you can figure out what to do with the body--contact the authorities and find out the regulations for your area, PAY what it costs to have it hauled off in a legal way. what ever it takes. But don't try to justify sending your horse, who served you his or her entire life, to slaughter just because you can't be bothered to figure out a way to dispose of the body. And don't use cost as an argument either. If you could afford to have a horse in the first place, you can afford to dispose of it's body after it's gone. If you don't WANT to spend that money, you better re-evaluate your entire relationship to horses. Frankly, I am surprised you chose to "stir the pot" in such a passive aggressive way. Jen On 4/1/09, laura.skje...@ic.gc.ca wrote: > > This message is from: > > Just to stir up the pot! Is everyone who is against horse slaughter also > against the slaughter of ALL other animals - chickens, cows, fish, etc? > Are you a vegan? Wearing and using no leather products (saddle > included!)? Are all your pets vegan? What should be done with the > euthanized animal? Put it in a land-fill? Burying it is illegal in many > areas as it can pollute the ground water, etc. as it decomposes. (having > said all that I would not send any of my horses to the slaughter > house...) > > Laura - almost horseless, with only 1 Fjord horse left and she's on > long-term loan to a therapeutic riding center. > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: barn door guards
This message is from: jen frame h--if you find out, PLEASE let me know! I need one too. I had no idea that they make em' !Thanks Jen On 3/19/09, Debby wrote: > > This message is from: "Debby" > > Anyone know who sells the big barn door guards similiar to stall guards, > but > 12ft. Summer will be here soon and I need to keep the barn doors open but > keep > ponies out...thanks. > Debby > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: allergies
This message is from: jen frame Hi Julie, you are very lucky that your Vet is open to Acupuncture and Chinese herbs--most vets are not.I am a human Acupuncturist and herbalist, and I use both on my own horses. They are highly effective and safe whereas Dex is very dangerous for horses. It can be used in life threatening situations, but it sounds like your mare has seasonal allergies which are hopefully and probably not life threatening right now. Dex, whether western vets are willing to admit this or not, almost always causes a mild laminitis. It may be so mild that the human never knows it is happening, but it usually does happen. Hopefully your Vet uses Chinese Herbs from a Florida Vetrinary hebalist called Dr. Xie of the Chi Institite. Those are the best formulas for horses available in America. If your Vet does use that brand of herbs, and knows what to order, I HIGHLY reccomend it, although they are expensive. If your vet does NOT know what to order, please feel free to call me at (903) 567-6285 and we can discuss your mare and her symptoms and I can reccomend a formula. Your vet will have to call the prescription in for you, I can not do that. I can give you the phone number and formula to order, and your vet does the rest. If you don't need my help, and do try acupuncture and herbs for her, let us know how it works for you and your mare! Jen On 2/20/09, igs...@tds.net wrote: > > This message is from: > > She is now on Dex, and a bronchio dialator. The vet wants to try > acupuncture and Chinese herbs. Anybody else have any experience in this > area? > Julie in Madison WI > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Sensation Saddles or Dartmoor Treefree
This message is from: jen frame Wow Cherie!Thank you so much for the Zeke the Zedonk report! I am very glad that he found you, because it sounds like his past life wasn't nearly as fun for him as his life with you now is! Can you send some pictures? So, do you have Fjords and Icelandics and the Zedonk? You sure like the rare ones don't you? Have you read the book The Zookeepers Wife ? Jen On 2/16/09, Cherie Mascis wrote: > > This message is from: "Cherie Mascis" > > > Hi Jen, > > I do have a Zedonk! His sire is a zebra and his dam a donkey. His name is > Zeke. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Sensation Saddles or Dartmoor Treefree
This message is from: jen frame Cherie, do you REALLY have a zedonk?! Is that a cross between a zebra and a donkey? And you ride her/him?! Please do tell all! I have seen a few zedonks in person and they were absolutely gorgeous--were much taller than zebras, had all the stripes but in dunn color rather than in black, and the stripes on the face were very thin, and the ears were much longer than a zebras. Unfortunately these were very wild and being "tamed" at about 4 years of age by a mule skinner with, in my opinion, questionable methods (i.e. having the zedonks in stocks, and "flooding" them with desensitizing stimuli. I hated seeing it, and the animals were terrified).But you sure caught my attention by saying that your Sensation saddle fits your Zedonk!! What is his or her name? How old when you got him/her? Who trained him/her to ride? Etc. etc. What is her personalty like? Jen in Texas On 2/12/09, Cherie Mascis wrote: > > This message is from: "Cherie Mascis" > > I use a Sensation and love it! I It's super comfy and fits my Icelandic > pony, Fjord and Zedonk! > > They also make a more Western version with fenders and neat stitching. > > Cherie > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: cashel soft saddles
This message is from: jen frame Hi Beth, the wonderful woman from whom I bought my Fjord rode her in a Cashel Soft saddle. She loved it and did long trail rides with it. I now ride her in a Treeless saddle called Freeform. The biggest problem with a Cashel soft saddle is that they do NOT distribute the riders weight evenly along the Fjord's back. So you will be putting pressure in a concentrated area. Also, if you do a lot of posting to the trot, that may affect the spine. I noticed that my Fjord had either some un-even muscle developement by the withers (what wither she has!!) or it was a swelling on one side. It mildly disturbed me because I was pretty sure it was from being ridden so much in the Cashel soft saddle. She has not been ridden in it since I have had her (1 year and 4 months) and the swelling or unevenness has gone away. Also, she had a large patch of white hairs on one side in the saddle area. The woman I bought her from said that was due to sweat and then getting bleached by the sun. I was worried it was damaged hair folicles, but luckily her hair grew in normal color last spring. But this brings up an important issue: the cashel soft saddle will be very HOT for your Fjord--it would be like you going running with a neoprene T-shirt on. I sat in one once on a demo horse (i.e. not a real horse) and although I loved the concept and the feel, I wouldn't buy it because it offered no wither clearance (this may not be an issue for Fjords, but would have been an issue for my TWH mare) , no weight distribution, and as mentioned above, would be too hot. If you want to do half hour long rides around the house, and would rather ride in the soft saddle than go bareback, I think it would be great. But if you want to do 2-3 hour long trail rides, or do a lot of posting trot, or do jumping where there is also a lot of weight in the stirrups, I would reccomend a Freeform Jen On 2/11/09, Beth Pulsifer wrote: > > This message is from: "Beth Pulsifer" > > > Wondering if anyone is using or has used the Cashel soft saddle on their > Fjord...If so what are the pros and cons. > Thanks in advance for any information you can provide. > Beth > in Maine where it was fifty today...:) > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Farriery
This message is from: jen frame Hi Melissa! I tried to write you back yesterday, but I don't think it went through, so here goes again; congrats on getting a Fjord!! You must be so excited! Feel free to call me at (903) 567-6285 if you have questions you want to discuss. Jen in Canton--which is about 2 hours from Fort worth On 1/19/09, Melissa in Fort Worth Tx wrote: > > This message is from: Melissa in Fort Worth Tx > > Jen where are you in TX? I am getting a fjord next month...have questions > if > you do not mind. > Melisssa in Fort Worth TX > ________ > > From: jen frame > > To: > fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com > > Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 3:17:15 PM > Subject: Re: Farriery > > > This message is from: jen frame > > Hi Liz, I am no expert at all--just a Fjord owner, and I have started > trimming > the hooves of my own herd recently.So, these are just my > observations, please > don't take anything I say as gospel! > > > Many of the fjords that I have seen > tend to be a little higher in the croup > than they are in the withers, which > makes them even heavier on the front end > than a horse usually is (all horses > carry more weight on their front legs > than the hind, unless being ridden > dressage and are asked by the rider to > shift their center of gravity back > toward the rear of their body). > So right there, if your 3 work horses are > slightly higher in the croup, it > will load up the front end and make them more > stumbely. My advice (and > remember I am no expert) is to take the shoes off, > and lower the heels of > all 4 feet. The heels can be safely lowered to the > level of the seats of > corn. A high heal puts more weight on the toe, a lower > heal helps shift the > weight back. It is simple to do, the horses will be much > happier, and you > can see immediately if it works. > Please keep us posted! > Jen > (in Texas who just came in from trimming the hooves of Splendora the > Fjord who > munched on hay while she had her mani-pedi !) > > On 1/17/09, plumg...@pon.net > wrote: > > > > This message is from: "plumg...@pon.net" > > > > > The key is the toes. Removing the shoes is likely to > help if you keep the > > toes back, either by wear or more frequent trimming. > You can buy the DVD by > > the American presenter. www.missionfarrierschool.com > > > > > > > > > > --- Original Message --- > > From: Danilo and Liz > Ostacchini[mailto:daniloand...@hotmail.com] > > Sent: 1/17/2009 12:52:42 PM > > To : fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com > > Cc : > > Subject : RE: Farriery > > > > This message is from: Danilo and Liz Ostacchini < > > > daniloand...@hotmail.com> > > > > Hi > > > > My three in work are > > having variable > problems with stumbling. > > > > Liz > > in a windy Southern England. > > > _ > > Choose the > perfect PC or mobile phone for you > > > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/130777504/direct/01/ > > > > Important FjordHorse List > Links: > > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > > FH-L Archives: > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > > Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f > > > > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > > Subscription Management: > http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > > > Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Farriery
This message is from: jen frame Hi there! I have researched many of the Natural Trimmers and there are a bunch I do not like, and very few that I do like. I am trimming in a style that is similar to, but not the same as, Pete Ramey. And I am lucky enough to be coached by Kirt Lander, the man who makes the Renegade hoof boots. So I am very happy with what I am doing. Sorry if y'all were challenged by what I said about the heel--if it scares you, or goes against what you want to do, then just don't do it!My last suggestion is to research what Gene Ovnicek means by "leave the heels alone". Leave them alone no matter how pathalogical they are? Or, leave them alone AFTER they have been properly trimmed in a 'set-up' trim the first time you are transitioning from shoes to barefoot? Leave them alone if your horse walks on terrain in which they can self trim? Or leave them alone even if they grow long and develop quarter cracks and risk tearing the heel off? It is ridiculous to make one statement like "leave the heels alone" and expect it to work for all horses in all situations. Think it through and decide if it makes sense to you. I don't need any answers to the above questions, I am asking hypothetically, and for the sake of your horses Jen On 1/18/09, Karen McCarthy wrote: > > This message is from: Karen McCarthy > > Jen, > You just might want to check out this website: missionfarrierschool.com > Mark Plumlee, the head of this school did an excellent presentation on > natural > Balance shoeing/trimming at the NFHR Annual meeting yesterday. There is > also a > clip to an excerpt of his current DVD, > let us know what you think... > > > :: Karen McCarthy :: Great Basin Fjords :: Madras, Oregon :: > > > > > http://www.picturetrail.com/weegees > > > > > Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 19:43:39 -0600 > > Subject: Re: Re: Farriery > > From: jenfra...@gmail.com Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Re: Farriery
This message is from: jen frame Well there you have it: totally contradictory information from 2 different horse owners. I firmly believe it is the opposite Gail: trim the heel to the wild horse model (i.e. level with the sole) and the toe will take care of itself!So, this shows that the woman who posted the original question is going to have to do her own research! Jen On 1/18/09, plumg...@pon.net wrote: > > This message is from: "plumg...@pon.net" > > Take care in cutting down the heel. My somewhat dim understanding is that > the heels will start to take care of themselves if you take care of the > toe. We had our vet (who had also been to a horse shoeing school) trim two > of our horses for a year. One had heel problems, but she did not want to do > much at all to the heel. > > Gail > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Farriery
This message is from: jen frame Hi Liz, I am no expert at all--just a Fjord owner, and I have started trimming the hooves of my own herd recently.So, these are just my observations, please don't take anything I say as gospel! Many of the fjords that I have seen tend to be a little higher in the croup than they are in the withers, which makes them even heavier on the front end than a horse usually is (all horses carry more weight on their front legs than the hind, unless being ridden dressage and are asked by the rider to shift their center of gravity back toward the rear of their body). So right there, if your 3 work horses are slightly higher in the croup, it will load up the front end and make them more stumbely. My advice (and remember I am no expert) is to take the shoes off, and lower the heels of all 4 feet. The heels can be safely lowered to the level of the seats of corn. A high heal puts more weight on the toe, a lower heal helps shift the weight back. It is simple to do, the horses will be much happier, and you can see immediately if it works. Please keep us posted! Jen (in Texas who just came in from trimming the hooves of Splendora the Fjord who munched on hay while she had her mani-pedi !) On 1/17/09, plumg...@pon.net wrote: > > This message is from: "plumg...@pon.net" > > The key is the toes. Removing the shoes is likely to help if you keep the > toes back, either by wear or more frequent trimming. You can buy the DVD by > the American presenter. www.missionfarrierschool.com > > > > > --- Original Message --- > From: Danilo and Liz Ostacchini[mailto:daniloand...@hotmail.com] > Sent: 1/17/2009 12:52:42 PM > To : fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com > Cc : > Subject : RE: Farriery > > This message is from: Danilo and Liz Ostacchini < > daniloand...@hotmail.com> > > Hi > > My three in work are > having variable problems with stumbling. > > Liz > in a windy Southern England. > _ > Choose the perfect PC or mobile phone for you > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/130777504/direct/01/ > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Professional choice sports medicine boots--free and $10
This message is from: "jen frame" Hi Robin--are your boots still available? If so, can you explain what they are ? I need a pair of soaking boots--something I can put on my horse to soak her feet for 20 minutes at a time. Are these what you have?Thanks Jen On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 9:07 AM, Robin Churchill wrote: > This message is from: Robin Churchill > > I have two pairs of sports medicine boots--a more worn SMB 100 that fit > standard front, fine-boned back and a fairly new SMB 200 warmblood front, > standard back. The SMB 100s are free for the price of shipping, the others > $10 and the price of shipping. I don't use these anymore. > > Robin > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L <http://tinyurl.com/5msa7eFH-L> Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Extreme fjords
This message is from: "jen frame" How exciting Linda!!! I wish it was going to be televised because I am in Texas and can't just stop by to see you in Pomona :( Wish I COULD!! Jen On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 9:38 PM, wrote: > This message is from: fjordp...@verizon.net > > My mare Snowys Cerila has been accepted into Craig Camerons extreme > cowboy race at the equine affaire in Pomona Ca. The race is not > scheduled for t v but if any one is going to be at the equine affaire I > would love to see you stop by. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Health Issue for new Fjord owner
This message is from: "jen frame" HI Kate, will you pass on our e-mails to your friend?Basically, high creatinine means kidney problems. She should find a vet in her area who prescribes Chinese Herbs and get him on a formula for his kidneys. Then have his creatinine re-checked in a few months. The best place to get Chinese Herbs for horses is DR. Xie's herbals from the Chi Institute in Florida which makes equine formulas. Jen On 1/3/09, katesei...@aol.com wrote: > > This message is from: katesei...@aol.com > > Hopefully someone can help Teresa with this health issue. > > Kate > with Joe and Della > > > * > > 17 y.o. gelding I acquired due to rescue in summer of 08. My friend passed > him to me in an attempt to save him from hardship. Only know a bit of vet. > records from back to late 2005. He was diagnosed with hypothyroidism and > put on > supplement daily. He was overweight and a bit unhappy when he came. He has > been losing a bit of weight and been running and having fun picking up his > spirits greatly. On a routine teeth grinding this month it was noticed > that his > upper gums were a bit yellow, we pulled a blood test and it showd high > creatine @ 4.2 which is above the normal range. We need some help > or direction here, > we can supply his intake, and living conditions. We love this magical > creature and feel that we need to seek out input immediately. Do you know > anybody > we can talk to? Have you any experience in renal problems with the fjords. > We > have more in depth info. and am hoping you have some ideas or can further > broadcast this call to others. Greatly appreciate you. > _teresalink...@mac.com_ > (mailto:teresalink...@mac.com) , _finestkindfa...@hotmail.com_ > (mailto:finestkindfa...@hotmail.com) > > > > > **Stay up-to-date on the latest news - from fashion trends to > celebrity break-ups and everything in between. > (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom0024) > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Jensen's "remember when"
This message is from: "jen frame" Ruthie's lament over the lost drafty type Fjord has brought up a question that I often ponder, but never out loud (!) How can you say that Fjords in their original form (before american slimming style breeding interfered) were drafty, when the photo that you all sent me of Njal, the founding stallion, showed a horse so slender and "normal" looking that I would have been hard pressed to percieve him as a pure bred Fjord? What I am asking is: are you SURE that original Fjords were drafty? How do you know this? Perhaps the first Fjords in America were drafty because they were the Norwegian breeder's culls? I.e. they thought they found some poor suckers to buy the horses they didn't want ?? The clunky unrefined ones? I am not suggesting this is a reality--just wondering, because again, the picture of Njal is NOT drafty ! Lest you think I am on the side of breeding slimmer Fjords--I am not! I have a drafty Fjord mare and adore her, and I too lament the breeding of both Fjords and Haflingers to be slim normal looking horses! I feel that some of what makes them unique is disapearing. I'm just curious about the discrepency between the founding stallion and the current breed Jen On 12/28/08, ruth bushnell wrote: > This message is from: "ruth bushnell" > > Remember when > > "-Fjords arrived at Shows 200 lbs over conditioned and were called drafty?" > > > > Ursula and Brian Jensen > > It may be true that Fjords were on occasion shown overweight, > and called "drafty," but also true that many Fjords were more > genuinely drafty than they are now, generally speaking. > > (Which is not to say that you were inferring otherwise.) > > We have often heard many seasoned Fjord folks > lament the regrettable remake of drafty type Fjord > over to a more lean sports type; a transition which is > incrementally retooling the entire breed.. permanently > tweaking the gene pool. > > We saw some of the original foundation types which were > considerably more "beefy" in bone and framework than is > seen at shows now, or displayed in current Heralds. It is sorrowful > to us that they are no longer readily found. > > Sad, because it indicates that vital genetic material for significant > substance has been almost permanently eliminated. > > The Norwegian Government recently spent an approx eight million dollars > to build a seed vault off their coast, to ensure seed integrity > and that food crops might be re-established if necessary, > it is the largest seed vault in the > world (1400 others). Their foresight should be an inspiration > for the preservation of original Fjord horse. > > The dog industry recently felt a shock wave the world over when an expose' > revealed that some pure breeds were being remolded to their detriment by > the selectional practice of show preferences and the predilections > of biased breed authorities, in total disregard for genome integrity. > > The life source of every rare (pure) breed is genetic diversity, taking > precedence over every other superficial consideration, without that > elemental component we will end up with serious ramifications within > our beloved breed. Consistent production of similar lighter types > will, by process of elimination, remove more substantial bloodlines > entirely.. creating detrimental genetic drift. > > I hope this can be rectified before it is too late. > > Ruthie, nw mt US > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
WAS: Senior Feed Question NOW: Fjord longevity questions
This message is from: "jen frame" wow Jean! I am impressed with the ages of your two old Fjords! I guess it never occured to me that they could/would live that long, and it makes me so happy to know that I'll have many years with my beloved Fjord who is 10 years old now! Your post brings up another question for me: perhaps yours are living so long because your climate is similar to the climate they naturaly came from? Any ideas about that? Maybe our fjords kept in warmer climates won't live as long? And another question: how long were you able to ride and drive them, before retiring them from activity? Thanks! Jen On 12/11/08, Vic Faeo wrote: > This message is from: Vic Faeo She is 31, and can still eat some hay He is 33. I like the Nutrena Senior Lilfe because it doesn't have Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: STOP mane trims
This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Don't their necks get cold? My Fjord has a long mane, and when I stick my hands up under it, her neck is so cozy and warm that I dive in under there because it is so yummy! I have thought about roaching her mane in preparation for it growing into the traditional Fjord mohawk, but thought I should wait til after winter so her neck stays warm.?? Jen On 11/30/08, Jeanne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: "Jeanne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I "second" what Lisa's saying about roaching manes. Last winter I roached > Hanne's mane completely off. It grew back SO nice, and in three months, I > actually had to trim it. She always had a crazy cowlick in her mane, that > didn't grow back! Her mane has been so nice ever since. This winter I will > do the same thing. > > Jeanne > - Berthoud, CO > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Fjord sz. wagonettes
This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> HI LIsa, thank you for your thoughts on a 4 wheel vehicle for my Fjord. I would love a BIH wagonette. You said that you used yours at training level for CDE's--my concern is whether or not it could handle the marathon portion of the CDE. By the sounds of your experience, it can. If I get my Fjord a neck collar (right now she has a deep V shaped breast collar) don't I need to switch the vehicle to axel draft? Is that easily done with the BIH vehicles? Jen On 11/27/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Hi Jen and list ! > > Jen, I saw your post on the archives, so replying here before the digest > comes out. You are smart to be careful about what you are looking for. Its > practicle to get a vehicle that is multi-purpose for your single Fjord, yet > suitable > for pairs. You esp. dont want to overface your single. > > I think that you would really like something like the Bird-In-Hand Flyer or > the BIH Eagle. They are lightweight, sturdy wooden 4-wheel vehicles, made in > PA. and you can see them and all of the options on John Greenalls webpage. > > I had a BIH Flyer and it was perfect for a single. Jeff made me a dickey seat > so a groom could ride along behind in a pleasure class, it just bolted onto > the marathon step. The marathon step ( optional ) also came off so you could > just have the front seat on. You can use shafts for your single, or trade > them > out for a pole for pairs. We attached a leader bar for the 4's, but it was > way > too light a vehicle for 4's so were really careful and did not use it much > for > the team.. The Eagle comes with a wagonette option so people can ride along > behind the whip. Jeff and I used our Flyer for road work, parades, shows and > some off road stuff like training level CDE's, all 3 phases. > > Several people on the list have the BIH vehicles..I know that Melinda > Springs still has the Flyer I sold her, and Cheryl Gioia also has a beautiful > Eagle that she drives her Felix daughter, single in. BE CAREFUL, that if you > intend to put more than 1 extra person with you, that you do not create too > much > pulling expectations for your Fjord. A vehicle set up to carry 4-5 people may > need a pair to pull it safely. You will also need a vehicle with brakes. For > sure if your single Fjord is pulling a 4-wheel carriage with passengers, you > may > also need a neck collar type of harness, not breast collar one as it has more > UUUMPH for pulling weight. > > I have seen the BIH vehicles for sale around 2-3K at auctions like Martins > Auctioneers whn it comes to CA ( Ventura ) in Feb. Write the CD-List also as > " looking for a." and people will contact you about used vehicles. John > Greenall may also have leads on used ones. John Morgan from Morgan Carriage > Works in CA. usually has a few on consignment as well. Good-Luck ! > > > ** > > > HAPPY THANKSGIVING EVERYONE ! We have SO MUCH to be Thank-full for. Jeff is > on-duty today in CA. watching mud slide down fire burned hillsides. It is > also > his Birthday, so hes pretty bummed about being away. Dont forget all of the > EMS ect. people working today to try and keep everyone else safe...drop > some goodies off at your nearest Fire Station ! Lisa > > > > > ** > Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW > AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&; > ncid=emlcntaolcom0002) > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
looking for a wagonette light enough for 1 Fjord to pull
This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> LIsa, I saw your listing of the Sierakowski. I had been looking to perhaps buy Joanna Crell's Sierakwowski which is a marathon version of the wagonette, but it is too heavy for my Fjord Splendora to pull alone. I am hoping to find a 4 person wagonette that she can pull alone and that has a pole and converts to a pairs vehicle. So I think your friend's Sierakowski won't work for me, but if any of you have something for sale that might work for my needs, please let me know! Thanks Jen Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
re: For Sale: Camptown Pairs harness custom made for Fjords
This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi list! I put the cart before the horse, so to speak (well, literally I put the harness before the horse!) and bought a used Camptown pairs harness to drive my Fjord and Haflinger as a pair. Problem is the Haflinger doesn't drive yet, and although she is coming along well, I see the folly of my ways! I need to back up and drive her single for a long time before I attempt pairs driving, since I have never driven a pair either! So I am selling the pairs harness I bought. Here are the details: I bought it from a woman who used it 10 times, then one of her pair died, and she put the harness away. It was custom made for her by 'Camptown Dave' himself, before he sold his business to Marjean. It is made for Fjords with wider browbands, and wider breast collars (too wide for my Haflinger, but fits my Fjord perfectly). It is black synthetic with russet leather interior. Patent leather on the saddle and on the round blinkers/blinders. The fittings are chrome, and it has a chrome chain link decoration on the brow band. It was made for Fjords that were 14.1 and 14.2 hands, and also fits my Fjord who is 13.2. It has a lot of size adjustment. It comes with some extras: one of the harnesses has shaft loops so you can use it to drive a single horse. The bridles have Glory Butterly bits (I have not measured the width of the mouthpieces, but can do that for you if you are interested). It also comes with "bucking straps" and 2 different types of traces; traces with a slot end for presentation, and traces with a metal ring end for marathon. It is missing the rein couplers--the "y" shaped portion that links the reins together. It comes with a super long brown leather rein. The cost is $1500 and that includes shipping it to you if you are in the USA. I can e-mail photos to interested potential buyers. Please call (I prefer discussing over phone than e-mailing about it) Jen at (903) 567-6285 > <*> To visit your group on Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Ration Balancer?
This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Curt, I know that the feeds claim to have all the vitamins and minerals a horse needs, BUT we feed our Fjords LESS than the normal amount a regular horse would get, so they are getting shorted on the vitamins and minerals. And, in my not so humble opinion (!) the feeds have way less of certain vitamins (vitamin E being one example) than our horses really need. Jen On 11/12/08, Curtis Pierce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: "Curtis Pierce" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Hi Kristie, > > My advice is to read Feeding and Care of the Horse by Lon D. Lewis. If you > read the feed bag labels, you will also find that Triple Crown Lite and > Nutrena Lite feeds have the mineral and vitamin quantities equal to the best > supplements. These feeds OR supplements give your horse more than the > minimum daily requirements. The one thing about Fjords that I have found by > experience is that Fjords do not need much protein. I make sure that the > feeds we use are 12 percent or lower. Since my Fjords get plenty of hay, I > do not use beet pulp. > > Coat and overall appearance problems can also be caused by worms. It is > important to use a good worming program. Some owners check the manure > occasionally using a glass jar and water. Some vets will test manure for > worms. > > Our adult Fjords and Icelandics get 1 to 1.5 pounds of Triple Crown Lite per > feeding. The stallions get the higher amounts. Our 2 year old and younger > horses get a good 12 percent feed plus vitamins. It is important for the > younger horses to get some fat. > > I hope this helps. There are probably as many different feeding programs as > there are horse owners. > > Regards, > Curt Pierce > Mathias, WV > PS. We still have a couple trained gelding for sale. See our sale page at > http://www.deepcreekfjords.com/forsale/for_sale.htm. > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Ration Balancer?
This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Kristie, I didn't realize that it was her coat quality you wanted nutritional help with, rather than her weight--sorry! There is nothing better for a horses's coat than Flax seed and the fats it provides. Horsetech.com makes an amazing flax product called Glanzen 3. I can not reccomend it highly enough. The health benefits, besides an amazing coat, are too many to list. BUT: you will be adding fat to her diet with that, so you may need to cut back on the Triple Crown LIte if she gains weight. Last winter I fed my fat Fjord the teeny weeniest bit of pellets just to have something to stick all the supplements to. I put some water on it to make it sticky, and added the Glanzen 3 and the Photo Finish Revised. My Fjord went from that typical coarse and somewhat dry looking Fjord hair to soft and supple and shiny hair (when it came back in her summer coat). Also, Rod the owner of HorseTech is super duper nice and knowlegable. He will custom make anything you want or need for your pony! I have a great custom blend that he does for me to help my one horse (not a Fjord) who has gnat allergies, and it works wonders. So don't hesitate to call him and discuss your concerns and see what he can come up with. I hope that helps! Jen On 11/12/08, Kristie Strange <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: "Kristie Strange" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Here is a recent photo of Izzy. > > http://pets.webshots.com/photo/2410011930099015407gRnkSv?vhost=pets > > She was a bit trimmer during the summer when we were working fairly > regularly, but I think she looks OK weight wise. Again, I just wish her > coat were nicer. :) > > -Kristie > > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Ration Balancer?
This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Kristie, I am no expert, but I sure do research and obsess over equine nutrition. So here is what I think, for wha tit's worth: skip the beet pulp. Although it provides fiber (which is good) it is very rich and horses get fat on it easily. If she is getting "plenty of grass hay" as you said, then she has no need for beet pulp. Since she gets a small ration of Triple Crown Lite, she is probably NOT getting all the vitamins and minerals she needs. So I would buy a product called "Photo Finish Revised " from Horsetech.com If you top dress her Tripple Crown with that, she should start to look really good, which is a reflection of what is going on inside. She needs nutrition, NOT calories, and the beet pulp is too many calories and not enough nutrition, in my opinion. And although I hadn't heard of the connection between soy and founder (Thanks for that info) I agree that soy is not great for horses--adds to much estrogen and can mess them up hormonally. Unfortunately many of the new low starch feeds use soy because it is high in protein and low in starch. I try to keep myself and my horses on a low soy diet! There is a new feed by Purina although they call their new brand Wellsolve. It is advertised as a weight loss feed. Actually it is very high fiber and low in fat and in starch and in calories. so your horse feels like she is eating, has the sensation of satisfaction, but is not getting fat. It is very expensive and my Fjord loved it but did not lose weight on it. You may want to look into it and see what you think of it. I hope this helps, Jen On 11/11/08, Kristie Strange <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: "Kristie Strange" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I need Fjord Feed Advice. :D I have a four year old, very easy keeper, > mare and I really have to watch her weight. This time of year she's mostly > a pleasure horse, and we trail ride a couple times a week. She will get > more excercise and schooling come Spring, but we're taking it easy for the > winter. > Right now she gets about a cup of Triple Crown lite mixed with a cup of > soaked beet pulp shreds, twice a day. She is on very limited pasture (I > let her graze2-3 hours a day), and gets plenty of grass hay in between. > I'm satisfied with her weight, don't want her to get any bigger, but I > think her coat and overall apperance could be better. Purina rep suggested > Enrich 32 RB, and he made it sound really good. > But then I go reading on the internet about soy and founder and now I'm > confused. > Should I try a ration balancer? Or perhaps add a vit. supplement to what > I'm currently feeding? Or just leave well enough alone? > > What do you guys feed your Fjords? > > TIA, > > Kristie Strange > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: is it ok to list a harness for sale on this list?
This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thanks Steve! Is there a specific day each time per month, or can I list it any time as long as I only do 1 listing per month? Jen On 11/4/08, Steve McIlree <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: Steve McIlree <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > jen frame wrote: > > > > > Please let me know if it is OK to do so. > > > > Sure, ads are OK once a month. You might also want to put it on the free > classified ads for List subscribers which is linked at the bottom of each > message and digest. > > Steve > Owner/Administrator FjordHorse List > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
is it ok to list a harness for sale on this list?
This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Please let me know if it is OK to do so. Thanks, Jen Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: FW: Fjord Size Harness for sale
This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> What is the make or brand of pairs harness that you are selling? Thanks Jen On 10/21/08, Carriage Barn / Ann Miles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: "Carriage Barn / Ann Miles" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Hello again, > > Sorry, a typo in the phone number. The correct number is 603-378-0140. > > Thank you > > _ > > From: Carriage Barn / Ann Miles [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 10:02 AM > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > Subject: Fjord Size Harness for sale > > > > Used pair Biothane draft harness with collars. Like brand new. Fjord size > -- $1,000. > > Single draft Harness. Used only a few times. With collar -- $500. > > LaSalle Quick Hitch in excellent condition -- $1,500. > > Smuckers Deluxe small Fjord size -- $400. > > The Carriage Barn > Newton, NH > 603-.78-0140 > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Singles/Pairs wagonette for Fjords
This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> If you find more than one, I want one of those too! I just got a Haflinger mare that is well matched with my Fjord in size and temperment, and my fantasy is to be able to drive them as a pair. I have no idea if anybody drives pairs made up of different breeds, but heck...why not?! Jen On 9/6/08, Ursula & Brian Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: "Ursula & Brian Jensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Greetings; > On behalf of a Fjord Driving customer I am looking for a hybrid > wagonette. It would have Presentation appointments on the front and marathon > appointments on the rear. It would ideally be suitable for singles and pairs > driving with shafts and a pole. > Ursula and Brian Jensen > Box 1032 > Lumby, B.C. Canada > V0E 2G0 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > www.trinityfjords.com > > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Buck Mountain Botanicals/Blood Root
This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Cynthia. Are you the person I met via e-mail a while back who has 2 Fjords and a Fjord Arabian cross? Jen On 8/1/08, Cynthia Madden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: "Cynthia Madden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > website: > www.*buckmountainbotanicals.net*<http://www.buckmountainbotanicals.net/> > > Dr. Fox will talk to you but he can be a curmudgeon. He will only sell his > product to vets. > I am using his oral neoplasene for Brie and we also used the injectable. > > I also am a member of The Black Salve Cancer Open Forum which discusses > treatments, etc. > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > If you go to my Blog on Brie below there are links to sites. > -- > Cynthia Madden > Las Cruces, NM > personal: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > NFHR: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:/www.nfhr.com > http://www.geocities.com/cmadden88011 > Brie's Diary & Blog - http://www.geocities.com/cmadden88011/Brie_Diary.html > Dogs (and horses, cm) are not our whole life, but they make our lives whole. > -Roger Caras > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: blood root
This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The inflammation, according to the vetrinary blood root expert in colorado, is a good thing. It means the horse's immune system has mounted a response, and will be healing that area. So it sounds like perhaps Xterra doesn't have enough blood root in it, or perhaps it is mixed with other caustic ingredients that irritate the skin beyond repair. Anyway, I'm with you: I use bloodroot on any warty looking thing and it works fantastically! Jen On 8/1/08, Gina Larson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: Gina Larson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Hi again-- > > Just a folow up on my earlier post about black blood root salve. The > Xxtterra did cause an open crusting wound after only a couple of days which > sloughed off, leaving fresh pink skin...but after a couple of weeks, the gray > roucg bumpy spots would come right back and spread over the new pink skin. > The Wiseays salve was different. Though the area was warm to the touch and > slightly swollen (a sign of inflammation), it never crusted or caused an open > wound to form as the Xxtterra did. iT was a much more gentle and subtle > treatment (though it did take a little longer). > > Gina Larson > Menominee, MI > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Sad News
This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Michele, I am so sorry for the loss of your stallion. I know you are heartbroken I hope your new grey guy brings you much joy, Jen On 8/1/08, Michele Noonan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: "Michele Noonan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I don't even know where to begin. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2008 #162
This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Peggy, what is the name of the Chinese Herbal formula he is on? Sending me the chinese name (if it is only in Chinese and not latin) is fine. There is an herbalist in Colorado who says that you can feed Bloodroot/black salve to horses, and it will eliminate tumors. This is good for hard to reach places, BUT bloodroot is really hard on the gut, so I would do a lot of reserach before I fed it to my animlas. Do a Google on Buck Mountain Botanicals (I THINK that is the name of the business of the guy who promotes bloodroot fed internally for tumors) and call him and speak with him directly--he is wiling to do that. Jen On 7/31/08, Peggy Spear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: Peggy Spear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Hello List-With the thread about sarcoids I was wondering if anyone has any > experience with sarcoids in hard to reach areas on their horses. I am > dealing with a sarcoid on the inside of my geldings sheath right on his > "private part". It is visible whenhe lets "down". Since it is in such a > delicate place, and notin an open air environment, the vets are not quite > sure howto handle it. He has been on a Chinese Herb formula, to reduce > tumors and growths, for close to 11 months and it seems to be getting > larger-not just spreading, but growing. The vets are "investigating" > treatments to pursue.Anyone ever dealt with something like this?Peggy > Spearwww.falconpointfjords.com > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: sarcoid suggestion
This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thuja is for warts, probably not powerful enough for sarcoids. Blood Root, also called Black Salve, is for sarcoids. Jen On 7/30/08, Emily Wigley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: Emily Wigley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > She's currently using thuja (a homeopathic) on it, and it's gone > through the blistering miserable stage, and I don't think it's doing > anything else. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Sarcoids
This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Interesting about the crest toothpaste! Back in the good ol' days, bloodroot was used in toothpaste. I wonder if there is somehow a connection? Jen On 7/30/08, AnnMarie & Austin Fisher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: "AnnMarie & Austin Fisher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > My five year old gelding had a sarcoid inside his leg. It started out the > size of a fly bite and grew to about 5 inches in diameter in about a month > before we put anything on it. I read on-line about using Crest toothpaste. > I was skeptical but tried it. Within a week it was gone. I researched > XXterra but at $50 an ounce it was too pricey for me. Now he wears Crest > and smells good too! > > AnnMarie in MA > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: sarcoid suggestion
This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The herb Blood Root is excellent at targeting abnormal cells (i.e. sarcoids and other tumors, warts, etc.) before it will attack normal cells. So it is great at getting rid of Sarcoids. But, after using it to slough the sarcoid off, you will have an open wound on your horse that you need to manage carefully so as not to get any secondary infections. When the wound heals, there may be scar tissue that looks bald. But, that's better than a sarcoid! And yes, to have Blood Root work effectively, the bloodroot should be applied only to the sarcoid, and then covered with a salve to keep it moist. Jen On 7/30/08, jgayle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: "jgayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Hi Gina, did you cover the sarcoid after applying meds? And how or what > did you use? A friend has a mini here who was treated by the Vet for a large > sarcoid under her chin and now she has bare spots on her face. Jean Gayle > > > > > > Author of: > 'The Colonel's Daughter" > Occupied Germany 1946 to 1949 > Send: $20 to Three Horse's Press > 7403 Blaine Rd > Aberdeen, WA 98520 > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Midge Bites
This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Emily, Thanks for that info. I too feed Flax to my mare with an allergy to the midge bites. I use Glanzen 3 by horsetech. It helps, but it isn't as magical on my mare as it is on your horse. But I couldn't live without Flax for my horses--without it they would be a mess! I eat Flax too, like you, but made for humans, not horses! Thanks again, Jen On 7/26/08, Emily Wigley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: Emily Wigley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > what do you do for your Fjords that are > > allergic to midge bites? > > > > I have one Fjord and one non Fjord (Appaloosa) who are allergic to midge > bites, but no more trouble after starting them both on a daily supplement of > flax seed. I The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: fjords and spooks
This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Ha! Hysterical! My Splendora often won't come in to her stall at feeding time to eat, because she is too busy grazing! Jen On 7/25/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > the reason oz doesn't spook much is that he never lifts his head from the > ground.never. i have watched other horses graze, and every once in a > while they come up for air and stand around for a while.not oz.. > > orhe doesn't flee because he can't carry his hay and run at the same > time :) > > laurie, and oz, who would rather save his hay than chance someone else > getting it > > > ** > Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for > FanHouse Fantasy Football today. > > (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr000520) > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Skin Diseases
This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Rosemary, just curious: what do you do for your Fjords that are allergic to midge bites? I consider myself an expert on that (!) but my routine costs a lot! am wondering what others do. Thanks, Jen On 7/24/08, dfle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: "dfle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I have two mares that are very allergic to fly bites (especially > midge flies). > Rosemary > Shome Fjords & Dexters > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Draft Horse Saddles
This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Nancy, I ride my Fjord in a Treeless saddle called Freeform classic. I LOVE it and so does my Fjord. I recently bought a bit that I love, and so do all my horses: it is a western shanked bit calledhe EZ Rider by American Bridle Bit. You can find them at www.onehander.com It has an adjustable width mouthpiece so you can make it wide enough to fit your 5 1/4" Fjord, or more narrow to fit other horses. It is an amazing bit. And you can try it for 30 days and return it if you don't like it. That is what sold me on it, cuz it is an expensive bit. After 1 ride in it I knew I wanted to keep it. My horses love it so much that I had to let my hubby use the bit when we trail ride together, but I missed the bit on my horse, so I bought a 2nd one! If you order one, tell Jerry that Jen Frame sent you. He knows I love the bit because I tell him that by e-mail at least once a week! Let us know what you decide on treeless and bits. In my not so humble opinion, those saddles on the Draft Horse classified web page are a little suspect. When buying ateeless it is very important to get one that distributes the rider's weight evenly across your horses's back. I did a ton of research before I went treeless, and I felt that only 2 brands out there did this well: the Freeform and the Sensation . I am beyond thrilled with my Freeform, and ended up buying a second one so my husband could ride Treeless too. Now I just camn't put a tree'd saddle on my horses--feels almost cruel. It may not be cruel with a properly fitting tree'd saddle and a good pad, but it feels wrong to me now. If you go Treeless you MUST buy a saddle pad made to go with the treeess saddle. They are expensive, but worth it. Jen On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 8:55 AM, Nancy Blauers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: Nancy Blauers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Hi Everyone! > I can across a website that interested me greatly and thought I'd share and > ask if anyone else knows these folks and has any comments or suggestions on > their saddles...the site is called Draft Horse Classified. > Also, I'm looking for a 5 1/4 inch western shanked snaffle bit.Nancy > Blauers > Geneva, Fl. > > > > _ > Time for vacation? WIN what you need- enter now! > http://www.gowindowslive.com/summergiveaway/?ocid=tag_jlyhm > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Fjord coloring ?
This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Mike, her muzzle has the black skin, with white hairs ontop, giving her the "mealy" muzzle look. If she gets wet then the dark skin shows through, but she has the white muzzle. After reading the post after yours that goes into depth on color genetics, I think you are right: she is a brown dunn, and the dunn gene in her case diluted a lighter bay horse. I looked closely at her colors this morning before I drove her, and her mane is dark brown--almost black but not a true black, with some red hairs mixed in, mostly lower towards her withers. Her strip is definately red, as are the primitive markings. Her points are only on her coronet band up to her ankles, and then again on her knees. The cannon bones are her light body color (i.e. her points are not contiguous up her leg, but mostly on the ankle joint and the knee joint). And the points are reddish brown with some grey hairs in them, not black. Thanks Jen On 7/14/08, Mike May, Registrar NFHR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > At 10:09 AM 7/14/2008, you wrote: > > yes I am pretty sure she will end up a brown dun. > > What color is her muzzle - light mealy color or dark blackish color? > > Mike The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Fjord coloring ?
This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Mike, her mane stripe is not a true black--it is dark, but not black, Although that may be sun bleaching since I kep it long; when I shave her bridle path, it is a true black, But the dark srtipe in her tail is defintaley a reddish brown and not black. Does all this info still lead you to believe she is a Brown Dunn? Probably... Jen On 7/14/08, Mike May, Registrar NFHR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > If she has a black stripe she is a brown dun. > > Mike The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Fjord coloring ?
This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> My Fjord mare is like what you describe: a lovely light brown--more yellow or creamy tea colored. Her mane and tail have the dark stripe, and the stripe down her back is red. Her primitive markings on her legs are a slightly darker and more reddish color than her body, and her points are just kind of darker--sort of grey, sort of reddish, certainly not black points. She has the Njal mark on her cheek, dark spots above each eye, and many darker spots mixed in with the 4-5 swirls on her forehead. Almost looks like she has a bunch on Njal marks on her forehead, but they are just the coloring without the single black hair (the one on her cheek has the single black hair). I often wondered if she is really a red dunn rather than a brown dunn? whatever she is, she is adorable Jen On 7/13/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > If you are questioning the color... then he is most likely a brown... You > will know when you have a grey... The muzzle and the eyes are very > different. I thought I had greys but they were brown and when we finally had > a grey... it will hit you that "this is a grey". :-) > > Catherine Lassesen > Hestehaven - "The Horse Garden" > & Hundehaven - "The Dog Heaven" > www.hestehaven.com / [EMAIL PROTECTED] > 1-541-825-3027 > Southern Oregon > > > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: help for owners of blind horses
This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I should have known that Linda would come up with the rescue that helps blind horses! Linda, you are the BEST!! Jen On 7/2/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Rolling Dog Ranch? > > This is a wonderful organization.? Here is the link to the section dedicated > to their blind horses.? It has a section with information about caring for > your blind horse.? > > http://www.blindhorses.org/ > > I hope that your mare's blindness will be limited to the one eye, she has > many active years, and her only limitation will be in the therapy program due > to the rules. > > Linda > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Moon Blindness in my Fjord
This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> HI Crysten, I am so sorry to hear about your Freja's Uveitis. I know how heartbreaking Uveitis is. I have experience with Uveitis in Appaloosa's (who get it more than any other horse breed) because I fostered an Appy mare with Uveitis for Habitat For Horses Rescue here in Texas. To keep UV light off her eye, the best mask is called Guardian Mask. It is expensive (about $80 I think) but does the job much better than any other fly mask. This is specifically a UV mask. Try googeling it and you should find it easily. If you don't, let me know and I'll try to track them down for you. As for Western Vetrinary medicine for Uvaitis: it is only palliative, and rarely cures it. But make sure that your vet did a stain to check for lacerations to the cornea. Some vets prescribe steroids topically for the eye if there are no lacerations. But that is old fashioned thinking and now most vets will NOT use steroids at all, because they have been found to thin the cornea. Ask your vet if she/he thinks there is a fungal infection in the eye. If so, they can be treated (hard to treat--30 -60 days of topical antifungal 2-3 times a day!) Vets also prescribe a drug to dilate the pupil (I believe it is called Atropine) and you need to know that Atropine can be colic causing. They dilate the pupil to relieve pressure and pain, but Atropine, even one dose applied topically, can slow gut motility and thereby cause colic. They ask you to apply Atropine daily, BUT only one dose will keep the pupil dilated for a week at a time, so really you should only reapply it when you see that the pupil is no longer dilated. Obviously you need the Guardian mask on to protect her eye while it is dilated. I have found some relief from the symptoms of Uveitis using herbs. I am an Acupuncturist and Herbalist, and am biased in favor of Chinese Herbal formulas. But I have found a western herb called Euphrasia (common name Eyebright) to help the symptoms of redness, tearing, swelling, etc. in the uveitis eye. If you decide to go that route let me know and I'll tell you dosage, etc. There are also some excellent Chinese Herbal formulas made by Dr. Xie in Florida, specifically for Uveitis in horses. Problem is they MUST be prescribed by a vet, and getting a vet to call in the prescription when they know nothing about herbs, and even fear herbs, is quite hard! If your vet is willing to call in the prescription, and you want to go the Chinese Herbal route, let me know and I'll give you contact numbers and tell you which formula your horse needs (after asking you a few questions ). Good luck, and I am so sorry . Horses that go blind in one eye do fine. Even totally blind horses do well with a companion horse to help them. There is a rescue that rescues only blind horses!I am not suggesting that you send Freja to rescue, I am mentioning it because you may feel inspired and hopeful when you see how well the blind horses do. I can't remember their name, but do a google search on blind horse rescue. Uveitis is often caused by trauma to the eye. If that is the case with Freja, then she shouldn't go blind in the other eye. Uveitis is the horses's own immune system fighting whatever "insult" occured to the eye. Luckily, usually the immune system just attacks the eye that was injured. Occasionally it starts attacking the good eye, and it is those cases that end up with 2 blind eyes. On the East Coast, apparantly Uveitis can be caused by Lepto. This is a protozoa or bacteria (I'm not sure which) found in contaminated rinking water. I would think that if Lepto was the cause, then you could really worry about the horse getting Uveitis in both eyes. If trauma was the reason, then probably it will stay in 1 eye. Please keep me posted on how it goes. Jen On 7/1/08, Clinton Nesseth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: "Clinton Nesseth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Hello List, > > > > Our little fjord horse, Freja, has a great big heart. She is now retiring > from her duties as a Hippo therapy and Therapeutic riding horse. The cause > of her dismissal came quickly and is quite a shock to her big family. Freja > has spent 9 or so years of her life as a beloved pet, a trail companion, a > training method guinea pig, attempted dressage pony, and lastly a fantastic > therapy horse whom has helped to teach many children social skills, speaking > skills, and muscle control. In the last few days she was diagnosed with > Uveitis, a rare ocular disease, and has completely lost vision in her left > eye. Due to strict NAHRA regulations, she is unusable as a therapy horse and > must be retired immediately from their program. > > > > Freja's symptoms were discreet. She has spent the last year happily at > Nature's Edge
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2008 #134
This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Glory bit makes LIverpool cheeks and Butterfly cheeks. But Celine at Carriage DRiving Essentials has a close relationship with Myler Bit company and can have a custom bit made for you with Kimberwicke cheeks and a glory mouth piece which is a hybred between a mullen mouth and an arch mouth. "Glory" is the name that the guy who makes glory bits gave them. Celine calls the mouthpiece "Sweetwater" and I have one (with liverpool cheeks) and my Fjord LOVES it. Also since it will be custom made, you don't have to get the metal that the glory bit uses, you can get SS or SS with copper inlay, Or sweet Iron, or whatever you want. I don't think my mare liked the taste of an actual glory bit that we tried--strange metal in my opinion. I hope this helps, Jen On 6/27/08, Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Glory Kimberwicks? I have never seen them, does Glory Bit Co. make them? > Do you mean The Glory LIVERPOOL bit? > > Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, cloudy, 65 degrees. we lost 4 minutes daylight > (still light all night) > > > > > > I actually have a Glory butterfly mullen mouth bit > > that fits the BIG width of Fjords. > > I'd like to get another, and a pair of the Glory > > kimberwicks - but I don't know where. Suggestions? > > > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Riding pants for extreme hot weather
This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I hope someone sends you info on great riding pants, cuz I want some too! I have a pair of Smooth Stride Trail Riders Ultra. They are very flattering, but they claim to be a fabric that "wicks away moisture" but they don't! When I ride in them in hot and humid Texas, I feel like my lower body is in a steam bath. I bought a pair of coton and lycra workout leggings--like the kind we all used in the late 1980's for Aerobics class(!) at the Good Will. They cost me 6 bucks and were the best riding pants I had. But my Fjord was trying to avoid some mud and ran me into a branch and they were torn to shreds! So now I gota go to the Good will again, unless y'all can suggest cool riding pants! Jen On 6/27/08, Robin Churchill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: Robin Churchill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > I was wondering if you had any advice about riding pants > > for hot hot > > weather. > > > > > (Nature Friends Outdoor Adventures ; www.nfyukon.com) > > > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2008 #134
This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Try Celine at Carriage Driving Essentials in California. jen On 6/27/08, Ronni Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: Ronni Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Where can I get the Glory Bits? > R.Taylor, Straw Hat Stables > > I actually have a Glory butterfly mullen mouth bit > that fits the BIG width of Fjords. > I'd like to get another, and a pair of the Glory > kimberwicks - but I don't know where. Suggestions? > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: On-trail fan clubs
This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Marsha Jo--what a great description of other people's Fjord reactions! And I love that your horse frisks hikers looking for apples and carrots! That is so apt, and so hysterical and so Fjord-esque! I know what you mean about non-Fjord friends seeming a little mystified when my Fjord gets all the attention and their gorgeous What Ever horses gets ignored! I have actually become embarassed by it the reason why this is so ironic for me is because when I went for my first ride with the "gaited ladies" I chose to take my Fjord instead of my TWH. My husband was actually nervous for me, He feared that tthe ladies would think I was on some fat ugly trotting pony, and be ostracized for it. He begged me to reconsider and take my TWH instead. But took my Fjord, and she was a huge hit! Now my hubby doesn't get nervous when I take my Fjord because he has seen people go ga-ga over her. I think he thought that her feelings would be hurt if they had a negative response. But Splendora is very confident and wouldn't care either way! Jen On 6/24/08, Marsha Jo Hannah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: Marsha Jo Hannah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Years ago, we used to ride our two Fjords on trails near our place in > California, going out with a neighbor who had an endurance-bred Arab > mare. . However, I did find that I had to > keep a little tension on the outside rein, as Sleepy sometimes would > try to frisk backpacks for apples or carrots > > Our neighbor was somewhere between bemused and mystified by the > hikers' response. She saw our Fjords with eyes calibrated to her > Arab, her daughter's TB, their Anglo-Arab, etc. And, she had ridden > with us enough to know that our boys were slow (especially on hot > days), opinionated (at rest stops, Rom often suggested turning around > and going home), etc. Urban hikers, however, saw "teddy-ponies". ;-) > > Marsha Jo HannahMurphy must have been a horseman-- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] anything that can go wrong, will! > 15 mi SW of Roseburg, Oregon > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Form function and canter
This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Oh well...no other riders may be a good thing sometimes cuz it's hard to fend off the pushy fans! Last friday a stranger rode up to me as I was tacking up at my trailer, yelling loudly "I'm gonna adopt that one!" As IF my Fjord was available for adoption! Jen On 6/24/08, Don Brackett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: "Don Brackett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Does Osa cause other riders to have the Brad Pit reaction? > > No, I live in the booneys. We occasionally meet 4 wheelers or loggers but > never any other riders. Our nearest horse neighbor just glares at us as we > go by cause his horse wants to come play and he has BAD fences... > > Jane > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Form function and canter
This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> That is a great way to describe it: fast forward! Ya gotta love those Fast Forward Fjords! And now that we are in the middle of a I-love-My- Fjord-Fest, how about this one: when you ride Osa out on trails, does just about everyone you encounter stop and exclaim "ooH! How cute!" ? I have become great friends with the woman I purchased my Fjord from, and I told her that everyone was thrilled to see us on the trail. During the winter I got comments like" Look at that cute little velvet pony!" And the previous owner said that riding her was like riding Brad Pit ! Everyone, especially women, just drooled when they saw them! Does Osa cause other riders to have the Brad Pit reaction? Jen On 6/24/08, Don Brackett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: "Don Brackett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I > came home and took out Osa and just giggled non stop for the whole ride. the > feel was the same but only in miniature. Felt like a fast-forward! Very > funny, in fact giggling now remembering!!! > Jane > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Form function and canter
This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Jane, I have a Fjord mare that sounds just like your lovely Osa: 13.2 hands, chunky, short thick neck, and she will canter just on voice command, and loves to do it! Her canter isn't as comfortable as your Osa's. I prefer to get up in two-point position when she canters, and I always giggle because I hear and feel all this wild thunderous hoof beats beneath me, and yet we aren't going too far or too fast! But in the pasture she wins every galloping race against my 2 15.2 hand TWH mares. So she can put on the speed when she needs to! Looking at her, one would never suspect how athletic and willing and forward she is. But riding her is the absolute funnest! So is driving her! She spent 30 days at a driving trainer (Tom O'Carrol) and one of the many wonderful things he said about her was "all she has shown me is 'GO' "! So, go figure: conformation doesn't always dictate the gaits in these crazy wonderful Fjords! Jen in Texas On 6/24/08, Don Brackett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: "Don Brackett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I'm not sure I ALWAYS agree. Yes, training makes huge differences. But > some horses are just naturally more athletic than others and I'm not sure > it's always form. My mare Osa is short (13.2), heavy 8 1/2 cannon bone. > Short heavy neck. And she canters everywhere. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Renegade boots
This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello Lee! I am so happy that you responded to my questions about Renegades versus Old Macs G2. THANK YOU! Is the adjustment you are speaking of, before the first use, the same adjustment of the cable that attatches to the velcro band --the adjustment they describe how to do on the Rengade website? Jen On 6/20/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Hi own Renegades and I love them The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Boots,
This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> HI Yvonne, of all your boots: Old Macs, Cavallo Simple Boots, and the Marquis, which do you like the best, and why? I.e., which are easiest to put on? Which stay on the best? Thanks, jen On 6/18/08, yvonne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: yvonne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Love > the traction, the protection from stone bruises, the impact absorption of the > boots , the ability to keep them barefoot most of the time, so am sold on > boots. Yvonne Olson > > > > -- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. > It has removed 19 spam emails to date. > Paying users do not have this message in their emails. > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Old Macs
This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sorry to mis-quote you Kate! Here is the important question for me: do you own Renegades? And how much more do you like them ? I would very much appreciate a review of them! Thanks!! Jen On 6/18/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > I didn't say I had trouble putting them on - I said they were a pain in the > butt to put on, The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Old Macs
This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Good to hear this from you--thank you!!! Your experience with the Old Macs seems similar to all the folks on the driving list who love their Old Macs! Jen On 6/18/08, safreivald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: "safreivald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I can't imagine ANYTHING easier to put on than Old Macs The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: To shoe or not to shoe...
This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thanks Jane--I really appreciate hearing your experiences with the Old Macs. jen On 6/18/08, Don Brackett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: "Don Brackett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Hi Jen, > > I like them. They are easy to put on, stay on well in mud or rocky trails. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: To shoe or not to shoe...
This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Jane, Do you LOVE the Old Macs, or have you just found a way to deal with putting them on? Jen On 6/18/08, Don Brackett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: "Don Brackett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I use old macs, just open them up all the way and put the toe in first, let > them step down and the you can adjust them a bit. Y> Jane in rocky Maine > where the horses all agree that boots or shoes are much > nicer than ouchy! The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: To shoe or not to shoe
This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Kris! I am so excited to hear that you got Renegades! Please DO let me know, either off-list ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) or on-list how the Renegades work for you. I won't be able to have a Certified Natural Trimmer come fit them. Do you think I'll be able to fit them myself the first time? Or can a regular farrier who does barefoot trimming fit them? I love the colors they come in, but I was thinking of getting black for my Fjord so they'll match her harness when I drive her. jen On 6/18/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > I will keep you posted about the Renegades and can send pictures off the > list if you are interested. > > Happy trails! > Kris in NC > with Monark, Kasper and Clyde > Off to Fjordfest on Sunday, where we can drone on and on about our beloved > Fjords and no one will mind! > > > > > > **Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for > fuel-efficient used cars. > (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut000507) > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: To shoe or not to shoe...
This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I am really appreciating this thread, because I have been concerned about my Fjord's tender-footedness. I am a devoted barefoot horse momma. My Fjord has been increasingly tenderfooted on anything that even resembles a rock (i.e. she is even tenderfooted on dried mud that is pitted from hoof marks when it was wet). My new Hoof Trimmer seems to be cutting her hoof wall too short. I asked him to keep it a little longer, but he refused saying that the hoof wall is NOT supposed to be weight bearing. This next trim, I will insist that he leave the hoof wall 1/8" longer than the hoof wall/sole junction, and see if that helps her out. I trail ride her and drive her. I am going to buy her boots, but have been stalling due to not knowing which brand to get. I thought I had settled on Old Macs because people on another list (recreational Driving) seem to love old Macs, but then I saw Kate's posting yesterday on this list inwhich she said they were a pain in the butt to put on. So now I am back to square one. If I have to struggle and grunt and sweat in this Texas summer heat to put boots on, it will be a waste of money because I won't use them. I am now seriously considering the Renegade boots... Does anyone who uses boots for Fjords use Renegades? If so, how are they to put on? I have crossed all of the various Easy Boot styles off the list due to what I expect is difficult to put on, and/or the potential for Coronet band rubbing.. Anyone drive in boots? Thanks, Jen On 6/18/08, shawna smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: "shawna smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Just want to chime in here, as a "shod" riding friend of Lola's. The Epic > boots that Lola and friend Pam use definitely work very well. I will be > going with boots for my young gelding this summer and most likely with my > mare as well this winter. She's had shoes on continuously for 3 years and > her feet are great, but with higher fuel costs, I doubt I'll be riding quite > as much this next winter and the boots seem like a good choice. Another > friend I ride with in steep, muddy, rocky terrain uses the old mac G2's and > loves them. The boots all seem to provide better traction on rocks and slick > muddy hills than shoes do. At least in our group, it's always my mare > leaving the most "skid marks" on slick hills; not the booted hooves!! > Shawna in OR > > > > - > From: "Lola Lahr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 7:47 AM > To: > Subject: Re: To shoe or not to shoe... > > > > This message is from: "Lola Lahr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Hi Kelly- > > A friend of mine and I both have barefoot fjords, and use boots. They are > > great. I use the Easy Boot Epics, usually just on the fronts, but > sometimes > > on all four feet when riding in rough, muddy and/or rocky terrain. I have > > seen shod horses lose their shoes, slip and slide on the rocks, getting > cut > > and scraped, etc., and my horse, in her boots, just walks right on > through. > > > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: grazing muzzle
This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> My Fjord mare also got a rub spot from the grazing muzzle. So I brought some real sheep skin with the fleece on it to my local saddle maker and had him sew it around the edge. It solved the problem. But you have to check the fleece every day and pull out any grass spurs or anything else that can easily get stuck in the fleece and irritate the horse. Jen On 6/17/08, Linda Lottie User <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: Linda Lottie User <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I use the "Best Friends" muzzle. > > > > On 6/16/08 8:49 PM, "debora seely" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > This message is from: debora seely <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Linda, > >What kind of muzzle do you have? > > > > Deb Seely > > > > --- On Mon, 6/16/08, Linda Lottie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > From: Linda Lottie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: RE: grazing muzzle > > To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com > > Date: Monday, June 16, 2008, 9:18 PM > > > > This message is from: Linda Lottie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Ellen.once in awhile the muzzles cause a wear area but for the most > part > > my > > guys do well. > > > > The muzzle should not be so loose that is moves up and down alot. > > > > I have about an 1" 1/2 between the bottom of the muzzle and the horse > > muzzle. > > > > The one who has the most wear had a "boney" face. Might be why?? > > > > Linda > > > > > > "To experience the joy of a kind and caring relationship that respects > > andaccepts all of the parts of who we are is a gift.to give and to > > receive." > > > > > > > Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 11:06:18 -0400 > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: grazing muzzle > > > To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com > > > > > > This message is from: "Ellen Davidson" > > > > > > I am having trouble with the grazing muzzle rubbing the fjords face > > badly.I > > > bought large horse (which I think is the largest size).It looks very well > > made > > > and I tried to put it loosely on their faces.I even went back and sewed > > fleece > > > around the back edge when I first saw the problem.Anyone else ha this > > problem? > > > Any ideas on how to fix it? It's really the vets fault for telling the > > fjords > > > that they were too fat. Thanks,Ellen > > > > > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > > > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > > > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > > > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: natural hoof care, Help please
This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi. I bought my Fjord last October and it was a package deal: the Fjord and her muzzle! I can assure you that Fjords get a lot of grass to eat with their muzzle on. She would plunk the muzle down on the ground, push her nose deeper into it, wich would get her teeth close to the blades of grass that stick up through the holes in the muzzle. She was quite chunky even with the muzzle. So your gelding will most probably get plenty of grass to eat even with the muzzle. This year she is in great shape with OUT the muzzle: I have her on a 15 acres "pasture" (mostly weeds, hardly any Coastal Bermuda) with 3 other equines. I control her weight by making sure she gets exercise every other day, or every two days (I drive her and trail ride her) and by totally eliminating the hay. when I was still allowing her to eat hay, as well as grazing, she was getting fat. But without the hay she is doing great. No muzzle--haleluyah! You might want to add a magnesium supplement to his feed, eliminate all grain, but feed a Flax supplement which is high in anti-inflamatory Omega's, a vitamin and mineral and antioxident supplement, and let him graze with a muzzle, but no hay. HIs hooves may improve that way I wish you well, Jen On 6/13/08, Gail Russell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: "Gail Russell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I do not know the answer, though my understanding is that the muzzle results > in fairly close to zero pasture consumption. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Pine-sol
This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> If you want a shiney horse, and a shine that is created from health, then feed your horses a flax supplement called Glanzen 3. They will SHINE!!! Jen On 5/30/08, Karen McCarthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: Karen McCarthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Yes Corinne, I have seen this done on the track (and off). It's an "old" > horse > person type of thing. My dyed-in-the -wool cowgirl friend uses it on her > itchy > horses (read allergic to cuccoloides) and swears it works. Personally I don't > think it works that well. But, at the track, there is a huge, constantly > transient population of equines in a very tight enviroment and yes, they do > get some wierd skin stuff happening routinely enough that folks have resorted > to Pine Sol and other things like scrub Iodine to wash their horses with > routinely. I am sure they also consider it some sort of a brace (like > linement) as well. Also, re. shiney coats, any horse given the ration of hay > and grain those horses get, had BETTER have a shiney coat! > Kmac > > Karen McCarthy > Great Basin Fjords :: Madras, Oregon > > > http://www.picturetrail.com/weegees> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: > fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com> Subject: Pine-sol> Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 > 06:42:09 -0700> > This message is from: "Willows Edge Farm" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > OK, so here is one of the strangest horse > cleaning products I've heard of> .. the folks down at the track use PINE SOL > to wash their horses with. The> horses always look clean & shiney, but I > can't > imagine washing my horses> with the same thing I wash my floors with... I > have > used Dove Body wash and> they come out really nice and silky. No Showsheen > > needed. Has anyone else> ever tried Pine-sol? Any other strange things that > > make your horses look> pretty?> > Corinne Logan > Willows Edge Farm> Bothell, > WA> (425) 402-6781> www.willowsedgefarm.com> www.seattlecarriagerides.com> > > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at:> http://tinyurl.com/rcepw> > > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Fly allergies
This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> HI Cherrie one dose is 5 of those tiny white balls. Do NOT touch those balls with your hand. Tip the vile upside down, twist the cap until 5 balls fall down into it, take the cap off, hold your horses' lip open and dump the 5 white balls onto any mucous membrane like the area between gum and cheek. If some fall out but some stay in, no problem. Do NOT pick up any fallen white balls and hand feed them to your horse--just say goodbye to them! How often to dose depends on how bad his allergies/bug bites are. If really bad, dose 3 times a day. If semi-bad, then dose twice a day. Go with your intuition on this. Stop dosing as soon as there is improvement. I once treated a friend's horse who had huge welts all over, presumably due to an insect bite of some sort. the welts were gone after 2 doses. But Sweet itch can be more difficult, and if Apis doesn't work, we'll have to try something else. Let me know how it goes. Jen On 5/22/08, Cherrie Nolden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: Cherrie Nolden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > So, one dose is one of those tiny white balls, right? Do you give one a day? > > > Cherrie > > > jen frame <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > One more idea: homeopathics. Try a remedy called Apis in the dose 30C. > Jen > > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Fly allergies
This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Oh yeah! Great suggestion Linda : the fly sheets! My allergy mare (not a Fjord, a TWH) is wearing a fly sheet for the first time this year, and it works well. I watched her roll in it today and all was fine. I bought it from Schneiders. It's good, and was one of Horse Journals top picks. Jen On 5/21/08, Linda Lottie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: Linda Lottie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Have you tried the full body fly sheet- including protection for legs? > > Also, you could keep her inside during the dayoutside at night. > > I have tried the injestable fly control, the fly predators, spray, and while > they help, they do not eliminate and I assume one fly bite is all she needs > to > get a reaction? > > Fans with lots of gusto can also help. > > I am sorry for horses that are alergic to the fly bites.what a bummer > when flies love them. > > One other thing you might consider...I had a fellow spray my barn with a > chemical..walls and cieling...if a fly landed it was killed and the > stuff lasted 3 months. > > If nothing works..I'd try the shotsanything to bring her some > comfort. > > Good luck and let us know what you do..Linda in WI > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Fly allergies> Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 > 10:54:16 -0600> To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com> > This message is from: > > Linda McThoy Patorni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > I have a Fjord who suffers from > fly bite allergies. Every summer she > gets welts and speckles over her face > and neck, and on the tops of > her legs. She wears a fly mask and I use > Endure > which I find to be > the best protection. My barn and corrals are immaculate > - > I put up > those hideous smelly fly bags and use the timed sprayers. The > place > > is becoming a chemical factory which I am not happy about. And, I > don't > actually get that many flies at 7000ft in New Mexico. However, > it happens > each summer, is definitely fly-related and I cannot seem > to get a handle on > it. I spoke to my vet who talked about allergy > shots, but I'm hesitant to > do > that. He said he had heard of other > Fjords and ponies having similar > problems. I am considering trying > Solitude, an ingestible fly control which > is put in their feed and > prevents further fly breeding if used properly. > Yet > another > chemical. I was about to try fly predators, but I have had mixed > > reviews from friends about their effectiveness, and it's expensive. I > have > seven equines, so it all adds up.> > Does anyone have any suggestions or > successful solutions? Has anyone > tried Solitude? So far we're free and > clear > of flies, but I know it > will begin soon. Thanks!> > The FjordHorse List > archives can be found at:> http://tinyurl.com/rcepw> > > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: how much time on pasture equals one flake of grass hay?
This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Amy, I don't know the answer you your question, but am writing to ask you to pass the answer along to me when you get it!!! Thanks, jen On 5/21/08, Amy Goodloe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: Amy Goodloe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Two of my Fjord mares (Belle and Britta) have been out on the neighbor's > pasture full time since last fall, and starting in early April I stopped > giving them hay because they were getting plenty of grass, but now they're > all of a sudden HUGE blimps! So I need to start bringing them in part of > the time, letting them out only to get their meals instead of a 24 hour > all-you-can-eat buffet. > > Does anyone know how long a horse would need to be out on pasture to get > the equivalent of a flake of grass hay? When they were getting hay, they > each got one flake in the morning and one at night, so I'm thinking I should > leave them out there just long enough to get an equivalent amount of food > and then keep them in dry lot the rest of the time, with a little low > calorie hay for something to munch on. > > I tried looking this up on Google but it's hard to find the right keywords. > And I'm sure people's opinions vary. Fjords sure are *seriously* easy > keepers! > > --Amy > > ~ > Marehaven Farm ~*~ Longmont, CO > http://www.marehaven.org > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Fly allergies
This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi LInda, I have a lot of experience with fly allergies, so here comes a barage of info! I suspect that your Fjord is allergic to the Cullicoides Fly which is also called a Gnat or No-See-Ums. This type of biting fly will NOT be erradicated by Fly Preditors, so don't waste your money on them. Nor will their population be effectively reduced by feeding the feed through larvacides. They breed in organic material like fallen leaves in the woods, etc. The horse is actually allergic to the saliva in the Cullicoides bite, so what you need to do is calm down your horses's hyper immune response. This reduces the inflammatory response. And you need to repel the Cullicoides from biting. To repel them from biting, try this: 1). Feed garlic. There has been debate on this list as to whether garlic causes anemia--it doesn't. (verified by numerous tests, and verified by blood test done on my own horses who get a double dose). It must be very smelly garlic, The best I've ever found is by Springtime herbals. 2). Vitamin B1 changes the chemistry in sweat and makes horses, humans, even dogs (who don't sweat) not very appetizing to all biting insects including mosquitos and fleas and ticks. Buy a B1 supplement from KVVET.COM called Su-Per B1. Feed it daily. There is no toxicity, and it's cheap! It WORKS! with those 2 supplements you will reduce the number of bites your Fjord gets. To calm the hyper immune response: 3). Feed a high quality Flax supplement every day. I think the best is Glanzen 3 by Horsetech.com You are adding some fat, but not much starch to the Fjord's diet, so it is OK for plump Fjords! The Omega 3's really help moderate the inflammatory response. 4). Feed your horse antioxidents. This really helps them heal those never healing fly bites that become all season long pussy sores. Anitoxidents are crucial for allergy sufferers. I have mine custom made for my horses by horsetech. BUt they also have an already formulated Antioxident supplement that looks really good. It may be a little short on Vitamin E, though, so look at it closely and if it doesn't have what you want, ask the owner Rod to make you a blend with what you want in it. If you want to feed a safe and natural feed through larvacide, then feed Diatomaceous Earth. The best is by a company called DE36.COM . DO NOT feed garden store variety DE. There is some debate in Horse Journal as to wether DE works as an internal de-wormer. But I know that it does work as a feed through. The flies eggs laid in the horse poop that has DE in it, don't hatch! So this will reduce the population of other biting flies, NOT the Cullicoides. If your vet has an actual allergy shot that desensitizes the horse over time to the Cullicoides, I would like to know, because I thought that was only available in England. I hope this helps! Jen On 5/21/08, Lola Lahr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: "Lola Lahr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I have 8 horses and I use both an insect growth regulator (Simplifly) and > the fly predators. With my 2 mustangs, I am also trying Bug Check (mostly > garlic) to keep the gnats off their bellies - they are both very allergic to > gnat bites, lose all of their belly hair and the whole area gets crusty > with bloody, oozing sores which are very very itchy . The addition of the > Bug Check seems to be working on the gnats and mosquitoes. I have 1 Arab > who gets the welts all over him from bites, and so far, this year, no welts > just using the predators and Simplifly. I have also used Endure on an as > needed basis, haven't had to use it yet this year. I know what you mean by > the $$, but this seems to be the least chemically based treatment menu I > have been able to come up with so far, and the reduction in flies is such a > relief to everyone! Simplifly and Solitude work the same way, and is just a > little less expensive. We got a large tub from KV Vet Supply for a bit less > $ than an equivalent dosage amount of Solitude, and it works very, very > well. > > > On 5/21/08, Linda McThoy Patorni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > This message is from: Linda McThoy Patorni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > I have a Fjord who suffers from fly bite allergies. Every summer she gets > > welts and speckles over her face and neck, and on the tops of her legs. > She > > wears a fly mask and I use Endure which I find to be the best protection. > > My barn and corrals are immaculate - I put up those hideous smelly fly > bags > > and use the timed sprayers. The place is becoming a chemical factory which > I > > am not happy about. And, I don't actually get that many flies at 7000ft in > > New Mexico. Howe
Re: Fly allergies
This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> One more idea: homeopathics. Try a remedy called Apis in the dose 30C. Jen On 5/21/08, jen frame <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Oh yeah! Great suggestion Linda : the fly sheets! My allergy mare > (not a Fjord, a TWH) is wearing a fly sheet for the first time this > year, and it works well. I watched her roll in it today and all was > fine. I bought it from Schneiders. It's good, and was one of Horse > Journals top picks. > > Jen > > > On 5/21/08, Linda Lottie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This message is from: Linda Lottie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Have you tried the full body fly sheet- including protection for legs? > > > > Also, you could keep her inside during the dayoutside at night. > > > > I have tried the injestable fly control, the fly predators, spray, and > while > > they help, they do not eliminate and I assume one fly bite is all she > needs to > > get a reaction? > > > > Fans with lots of gusto can also help. > > > > I am sorry for horses that are alergic to the fly bites.what a > bummer > > when flies love them. > > > > One other thing you might consider...I had a fellow spray my barn > with a > > chemical..walls and cieling...if a fly landed it was killed and > the > > stuff lasted 3 months. > > > > If nothing works..I'd try the shotsanything to bring her some > > comfort. > > > > Good luck and let us know what you do..Linda in WI > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Fly allergies> Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 > > 10:54:16 -0600> To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com> > This message is from: > > > > Linda McThoy Patorni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > I have a Fjord who suffers from > > fly bite allergies. Every summer she > gets welts and speckles over her > face > > and neck, and on the tops of > her legs. She wears a fly mask and I use > Endure > > which I find to be > the best protection. My barn and corrals are > immaculate - > > I put up > those hideous smelly fly bags and use the timed sprayers. The > place > > > is becoming a chemical factory which I am not happy about. And, I > > don't > > actually get that many flies at 7000ft in New Mexico. However, > it > happens > > each summer, is definitely fly-related and I cannot seem > to get a > handle on > > it. I spoke to my vet who talked about allergy > shots, but I'm hesitant > to do > > that. He said he had heard of other > Fjords and ponies having similar > > problems. I am considering trying > Solitude, an ingestible fly control > which > > is put in their feed and > prevents further fly breeding if used > properly. Yet > > another > chemical. I was about to try fly predators, but I have had > mixed > > > reviews from friends about their effectiveness, and it's expensive. I > > have > > seven equines, so it all adds up.> > Does anyone have any suggestions or > > successful solutions? Has anyone > tried Solitude? So far we're free and > clear > > of flies, but I know it > will begin soon. Thanks!> > The FjordHorse List > > archives can be found at:> http://tinyurl.com/rcepw> > > > > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Alf is back! Thanks to all who e mailed me!
This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Congrats Susan! So, what does it mean? Was he actually collicing all this time? Was he in a ketonic state (creates the fruity/acetone smell in people who are ketonic), if so, does he have blood sugar issues? ? I am so happy to hear he is back! Jen On 5/18/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Dear Fjord horse list, > Many thanks to all of you who sent me advice re: Alf. > By Last thurs. there was only slight improvement in his attitude; vitals > were stable; so had the vet come out and look at him; and decided to sedate > and tube him. Tolerated everything well; no impaction on rectal still she > commented on "how weird and acetone/fruity smelling his manure was. Spent the > night in with Val again; and then both were turned out in the AM with their > grazing muzzles on for 4 hours to get them re acclimated? to them again. Same > thing Sat & Sun. By 5 pm this evening; my beloved "buck n toot boy" was once > again charging around the pasture in usual fashion; showing Diva, Jake; and > Valdemar who the prince is! > Will continue to check vitals;attitude; gut sounds feet ; etc; but I think > we have turned in the right direction. Lymes is pending; will repeat the > chemisties and CBC this week. Manure appeared normal today and yesterday. > Thanks again for being a great source of advice for the novice owner. > Susan > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Thanks to all & Alf update.
This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Great news Susan that he is showing no evidence of laminitis! That must be a relief, even though you still don't know what it is. Horses respond well to homeopathics. If his gut sounds were very rumbley, you may want to try Nux Vomica in the dosage of 30c. Put 5 pills between his gum and cheek every 20 minutes or so until you see signs of change. Stop when you see change for the better. I had a horse that had gas collic and a combo of Nux Vomica and my husband doing belly massage got her out of it quickly. Feel around on his abdomen and ventral midline for muscle tension. Massage gently and note what he likes and dislikes. You want to get the energry moving. Is he distended anywhere? Has your vet tried giving him an intravenous Banamine injection? Sometimes that works wonders for relaxing the gut enough for the gas to pass easier. Jen On 5/14/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Dear List; > ?Thanks to all who replied to my post. Here's todays "Alfie update" > 6am Up; greeted me laid down to eat a little hay; then back up within 15 > mins for mutual grooming with Val then grazing with his herd mates. Temp 100. > lungs clear heart rate 48 and regular. Gut sounds not as LOUD and gurgly as > previous 2 days doesn't seem to have?any tenderness anywhere. > 7am farrier confirmed no evidence of founder/laminitis ; just an additional > check on me and the 2 vets one male and general equine?practice &? one female > and equine internal medicine specialist. > 8am napping; snoring with one other herd mate also sleeping and 2 standing > watch. > 9am up to greet me and get their fly masks on. No evidence of gait > abnormalities or tenderness anywhere. > 1230pm Registering a formal complaint with the ASPCA because his mom is > frequently checking his eyes and gums for signs of > jaundice/paleness/dryness/excessive redness; AND she keeps checking the back > end for temp and any sign of loose manure. To top it off; mom has me stand > still so she can listen to heart;lungs;gut with the stethescope then she's > feeling up my legs and feet as if she's never felt them before! > 1pm pasture divided into 2 with electrobraid; now 4 horses on 5 acres. Vets > don't?think the little bit of grass thats out there is any part of the > problem; but we will of course keep watch.They are getting the same local > grass hay they've had all winter; but only 2 flakes/horse/day; 10lbs each. > They have their grazing muzzles at the ready for when the grass starts to > come in. > The farm where they are boarded is pasture with run in sheds; a private > farm; not a commercial stable. They've been there almost 2 years now without > a bit of a problem. > Please keep all thoughts;advice;ideas etc. coming! > He seems a bit better; but since I am a retired human ICU nurse; I tend to > be over vigilant with the horses; since I've seen so many humans go downhill > quickly and I'm only a horse owner for 3 years. > Thanks again, Susan > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Elevated GGTP in Fjords? Sorry LONG post
This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Susan, for what it's worth (perhaps it can help diagnose your gelding's issue) in Chinese Medicine, yawning means that something is stessing the liver, or sometimes the diaphragm muscle. You said that he has elevated liver enzymes, so perhps there is something going on with his liver. You probably don't want to mix alternative medicine with western medicine until you KNOW for sure what the diagnosis is, BUT, if you can't get a diagnosis, you may want to put him on Milk Thistle Seed, which is an amazing herb at healing the liver and even helping it regenrate liver tissue. BTW the liver is the ONLY organ that can re-grow itself after damage. An amazing thing! Milk Thistle helps the liver do this. And, if you are open to alternative medicine, and your western vet can't figure out what is going on, I suggest that you find a good equine acupuncturist. Acupuncture can heal illnesses that western medicine can't figure out. I hope your gelding gets a quick diagnosis and recovers to be happy and healthy as soon as possible. Please keep us posted. Jen On 5/14/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Dear Bonnie, > Thanks for your reply. The vet commented on the poor quality of the pasture > grass at this point; and was concerned about possibly some type of new weed > in the area; since they are seeing alot of " non specific" gas colics the > last few weeks. Will have my farrier come and check him ASAP with the hoof > tester. We didn't initially think founder but will get that looked at today. > Of the 4 " air ferns" in the pasture; 2 Fjords;1 mule and 1 Percheron/Paint > cross; he is in the best body condition[ according to the 2 vets that saw him > though they would like him about 50 lbs lighter]. They don't get supplemental > feeds; so no toxin issues due to feed recalls.The rest of his bloodwork;CBC > and chemistries were normal; theggtp was the only elevated liver enzyme. > Susan > > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com > Sent: Tue, 13 May 2008 10:49 pm > Subject: Re: Elevated GGTP in Fjords? Sorry LONG post > > > > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Hello Susan > > From what you have written about the new grass and eating laying down and > still munching. I would first think that he was starting to founder. > If he > > were mine I would keep him off of grass and feed only a lower quality of > grass hay. If the blood test come back normal and the liver is ok then I > would > suggest the normal bute treatment and before hand have your farrier do a > hoof test as they are usually more knowledgeable on foot issues than a lot > of > vets. If it does turn out to be this then you also would need to pad his > feet > > with foam as this helps reduce any rotation in the coffin bone and keep him > confined to a small area. If you need any more info feel free to contact. > > > Bonnie Morris > > > > **Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family > favorites at AOL Food. > (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod000301) > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: powdered psyllium source?
This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> HI, I buy my Psyllium from Horsetech.com they have very high quality and very low prices and they have free shipping . Actually, I think the cost may be a tiny bit higher than Su-Per Psyllium that you can order from KVVET.com but the Horsetech psyllium also has some flax mixed in it which adds to the mucilagenous qualities (i.e. the intestinal "sweeping" abilities). Jen On 4/30/08, Sharon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: "Sharon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >>Robin wrote... What kind of powdered psyllium do you buy? I have never > seen it in powder except like metamucil. Also why the senior feed as opposed > to some other feed?>> > > Hi Robin, > O.H.Kruse manufacutres the 20 lb (5 gal bucket). I get it at the feed stores > in Norco, CA. The bucket actually reads: Kruse's Perfection Brand - Natural > Psyllium Fiber - in powdered form. It kinda looks like Metamucil. > > Re: mixing it with senior feed... that's just what the surgeons recommended > because senior feed is a bit moist to begin with and with a drizzle of oil, > the psyllium sticks to it pretty well. But they said any bagged feed was ok. > It's ok to mix it with more than 1/2 cup if that helps your horse to eat it. > They were adamaent that it cannot get wet with water, just oil, before it's > eaten. If you don't get the psyllium to stick to some kind of feed, the > horse exhales and it's just dust in their face and up their nose. > > see ya, > Sharon > > > Sand colic routine > > Hi, > > > > I live in Southern California and the surgeons at the Chino Valley > > Equine Hospital here recommend the following: > > > > For 7 consecutive days each month, give 1 cup psyllium mixed well with > > @1/2 cup senior feed and drizzled with @ 2 teaspoons of canola, corn > > oil. Feed morning and night for the 7 days. It can also be mixed with > > other supplements as long as there is no contact with water before > > feeding. The psyllium must not contact water before eaten because it > > must swell up in the digestive tract to 'sweep' the digestive tract. ( > > I mix the 14 servings up at once, sealing each of the 14 servings in a > > gallon ziplock. Then I just pour it into her bucket and give it at the > > same time with breakfast and dinner hay.) > > > > Use the cheapest powdered psyllium available. No pelleted form. They > > said it doesn't work. These surgeons do 2-3 colic surgeries daily > > (impaction, stones, or sand colics) on all kinds of horses (backyard > > to $100K horses). > > > > 14 cups of psyllium is 3 lbs. I buy a 20 lb bucket, for @$60 and it > > lasts 6 months. > > > > good luck, > > Sharon > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Tick Control
This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The info you just gave on garlic is not correct. It does NOT give horses anemia. That was a scare created by some very un-informed people who took a study on feeding ONIONS to horses and extrapolated the info to garlic. There is no evidence that garlic causes anemia. I have researched this extensively. If you don't want to feed garlic, that is fine, but for anyone who wants to and was just scared by this misinformation, you can contact Horse Journal, or Springtime herbs, etc to check on it. Jen On 4/18/08, Robin Churchill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: Robin Churchill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I know some people think garlic is great and it > probably does repel insects but it can give your horse > anemia and the dose that it takes to cause it is > apparently not well worked out. An explanation of the > mechanism is in the following link. Also just FYI, it > is not a good idea to feed your dogs onions, raisins > or grapes as they can be toxic to dogs. > > http://www.equisearch.com/horses_care/feeding/feed/eqgarlic528/ > > Robin in Florida > --- jen frame <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > This message is from: "jen frame" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > I have tons of ticks in the woods surrounding my > > pasture. I used to > > pull a minimum of 15 ticks per day off each horse. I > > now have been > > feeding them garlic for a few years and it really > > works to keep the > > ticks off. Now I pull about 2 ticks off per week. > > Best brand of > > garlic is by Spring Time Herbs--very strong. > > Garlic is also good for many health issues such as > > an immune system > > boost, a natural antibiotic, anti-parasitic, etc. > > Jen > > > > On 4/16/08, Linda Lottie User > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > This message is from: Linda Lottie User > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > I use the tick spray and wash the tails with tick > > shampoo...but, I think the > > > shampoo is hard on the dock. I am going to try > > the hair spray! > > > > > > Linda in WI > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/16/08 9:41 AM, "Ellen Barry" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > This message is from: Ellen Barry > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > I have used it on my horses the first year I > > had them. But now I have 6 horses > > > > running around so that gets to be expensive. > > > > Another maybe not so well know remedy is to > > spray the dock of the tail with > > > > some cheap hair spray. (Fred's, dollar general > > etc) > > > > Not as toxic as spraying with bug spray but > > just as effective. > > > > I haven't seen a tick on them now for the past > > year and a half. The downside > > > > is that you have to do it every day or every > > other day. And it rains away. But > > > > when it rains, I don't see any ticks on them > > anyhow. > > > > Ellen. > > > > > > > > you wrote: > > > > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Has anyone used "EquiSpot" for tick control? > > > > We have had so many cases of Lyme disease > > around here - > > > > (Southern New Hampshire) and this year is > > supposed to be the worst. > > > > A friend mentioned "EquiSpot" - like the > > Frontline one puts on dogs > > > > for tick control with her horses. > > > > Anyone try it? > > > > Thanks - Nancy in NH > > > > > > > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > > > > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > > > > > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > > > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > > > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Tick Control
This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The info you just gave on garlic is not correct. It does NOT give horses anemia. That was a scare created by some very un-informed people who took a study on feeding ONIONS to horses and extrapolated the info to garlic. There is no evidence that garlic causes anemia. I have researched this extensively. If you don't want to feed garlic, that is fine, but for anyone who wants to and was just scared by this misinformation, you can contact Horse Journal, or Springtime herbs, etc to check on it. Also: a very mis-informed blurb on the dangers of feeding horses garlic was written in a fairly recent horse magazine. They were scolded for it by people in the know, and they recanted their statement and said that indeed, garlic is not harmful to horses. The writer admitted that he/she had not done the research and were simply quoting another misinformed source. Up to you what to do with this controversy, but those of us who do feed garlic to our horses can attest to it's amazing efficacy without any negative side effects. Jen On 4/18/08, Robin Churchill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: Robin Churchill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I know some people think garlic is great and it > probably does repel insects but it can give your horse > anemia and the dose that it takes to cause it is > apparently not well worked out. An explanation of the > mechanism is in the following link. Also just FYI, it > is not a good idea to feed your dogs onions, raisins > or grapes as they can be toxic to dogs. > > http://www.equisearch.com/horses_care/feeding/feed/eqgarlic528/ > > Robin in Florida > --- jen frame <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > This message is from: "jen frame" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > I have tons of ticks in the woods surrounding my > > pasture. I used to > > pull a minimum of 15 ticks per day off each horse. I > > now have been > > feeding them garlic for a few years and it really > > works to keep the > > ticks off. Now I pull about 2 ticks off per week. > > Best brand of > > garlic is by Spring Time Herbs--very strong. > > Garlic is also good for many health issues such as > > an immune system > > boost, a natural antibiotic, anti-parasitic, etc. > > Jen > > > > On 4/16/08, Linda Lottie User > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > This message is from: Linda Lottie User > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > I use the tick spray and wash the tails with tick > > shampoo...but, I think the > > > shampoo is hard on the dock. I am going to try > > the hair spray! > > > > > > Linda in WI > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/16/08 9:41 AM, "Ellen Barry" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > This message is from: Ellen Barry > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > I have used it on my horses the first year I > > had them. But now I have 6 horses > > > > running around so that gets to be expensive. > > > > Another maybe not so well know remedy is to > > spray the dock of the tail with > > > > some cheap hair spray. (Fred's, dollar general > > etc) > > > > Not as toxic as spraying with bug spray but > > just as effective. > > > > I haven't seen a tick on them now for the past > > year and a half. The downside > > > > is that you have to do it every day or every > > other day. And it rains away. But > > > > when it rains, I don't see any ticks on them > > anyhow. > > > > Ellen. > > > > > > > > you wrote: > > > > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Has anyone used "EquiSpot" for tick control? > > > > We have had so many cases of Lyme disease > > around here - > > > > (Southern New Hampshire) and this year is > > supposed to be the worst. > > > > A friend mentioned "EquiSpot" - like the > > Frontline one puts on dogs > > > > for tick control with her horses. > > > > Anyone try it? > > > > Thanks - Nancy in NH > > > > > > > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > > > > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > > > > > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > > > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > > > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Tick Control
This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I have tons of ticks in the woods surrounding my pasture. I used to pull a minimum of 15 ticks per day off each horse. I now have been feeding them garlic for a few years and it really works to keep the ticks off. Now I pull about 2 ticks off per week. Best brand of garlic is by Spring Time Herbs--very strong. Garlic is also good for many health issues such as an immune system boost, a natural antibiotic, anti-parasitic, etc. Jen On 4/16/08, Linda Lottie User <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: Linda Lottie User <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I use the tick spray and wash the tails with tick shampoo...but, I think the > shampoo is hard on the dock. I am going to try the hair spray! > > Linda in WI > > > > On 4/16/08 9:41 AM, "Ellen Barry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > This message is from: Ellen Barry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Hi, > > I have used it on my horses the first year I had them. But now I have 6 > horses > > running around so that gets to be expensive. > > Another maybe not so well know remedy is to spray the dock of the tail with > > some cheap hair spray. (Fred's, dollar general etc) > > Not as toxic as spraying with bug spray but just as effective. > > I haven't seen a tick on them now for the past year and a half. The > downside > > is that you have to do it every day or every other day. And it rains away. > But > > when it rains, I don't see any ticks on them anyhow. > > Ellen. > > > > you wrote: > > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Has anyone used "EquiSpot" for tick control? > > We have had so many cases of Lyme disease around here - > > (Southern New Hampshire) and this year is supposed to be the worst. > > A friend mentioned "EquiSpot" - like the Frontline one puts on dogs > > for tick control with her horses. > > Anyone try it? > > Thanks - Nancy in NH > > > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Njal Marking
This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thank you Brian, I will see if I can get a copy of that article. Jen On 3/17/08, Ursula & Brian Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: "Ursula & Brian Jensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >I wrote a short article earlier on the list about the dark brown mark on > the cheek with possibly of a hair coming out of it. >Njal # 166 of the Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry was foaled in 1891. He > is considered the founding father of our modern day Fjords. He got a 2nd > prize. >If you look at the first 12 generations in the pedigrees of the highest > ranked stallions and colts at Nordfjordheid in 1996; you will find Njal 256 > times in the pedigree of Lunner Graen, 107 times in Torsetblakken, and 151 > times in Perakrossen. >Njal's most recognized picture was taken Photo circa 1890 by K.A. Aamin. > The picture was taken when he was 18 years old. > Tor Nestus "Njal" article appeared in the Fjord Herald summer 2003 issue # > 67. Tor Nestus is considered one of the foremost authorities on lineage and > heritage of the Fjord in Norway. Brian Jensen > > Ursula and Brian Jensen > Box 1032 > Lumby, B.C. Canada > V0E 2G0 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > www.trinityfjords.com > > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
please remind me what the brown spot with single hair on the cheek means
This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> A few months ago a few people talked about a marking on the face of some Fjords. It is a brown spot on the right cheek with a single long back hair coming out of it. Could you please remind me of what that mark means, or what blood line it means the horse comes from? Thanks Jen The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: to use blinkers or not when driving spook-prone Fjord?
This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thanks everybody. She is absolutely fine with the cart when putting to--she stands still and is calm. She walks calmly pulling the cart and shows no concern. She pulls the cart through the woods over bumps and over tree roots and is fine with it all. It is just when we trotted over bumps on the trail that she showed concern, and that concern went away as soon as I spoke to her. It was on the black top road that the sound of the cart ratteling behind her made her nervous and she did the "I am scared and I'm going to go fast" body language. she will walk for hours over anything pulling that cart. She has pulled the cart through the woods and a wild mule and his mare ran up to the fence next to us, and she was concerned, saw what it was, then was fine and walked on pulling the cart. But she has large beautiflu eyes that get so much of their vision cut off by the blinkers. And I think she would be less concerned by the rattle of the cart when trotting on the road if she could see what it was behind her ratteling. I ride her a lot. She is bold and likes to be the leader on a trail ride. Thanks again, jen On 1/26/08, Alicia Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: Alicia Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > HI, I would try going back to ground driving first. Keep the blinkers and > reward her for calming down. If you have someone to pull the cart around her > or behind her while you lead her or tie her up it will teach her to calm down > and that the cart will not hurt her. Just really de-sensitize her to the > cart, equipment and anything else you can think of, ie. plastic bags, > bridges, dogs, etc. If she gets upset just keep doint it until she calms down > then stop doing what was making her uncomfterble. For example if you are > pulling the cart around and she gets upset about it, keep it up till she > calms down, then stop pulling the cart and reward her. If you can pull the > cart and lead her behind it and on the side and in the front she will learn > that all the noises associated with the cart is OK. I would also build her > confedence by riding her by herself more and line driving her more also. If > she gets upset at any point calm her down and reward her calm behavior. I > hope this helps, > > Alicia > > jen frame <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: "jen frame" > > Hi List, > I have been driving my new Fjord mare (got her in October) and she is > doing fabulously. > But I have the intuitive feeling that she may feel more safe withOUT > the blinkers on her driving bridle. I am wondering what you all > think. > She is the kind of Fjord that is very forward moving, loves to go, and > has a hard time with Woah! She also likes to stop and look at > anything that concerns her, and she does spook occasionally. When on a > trail ride with other horses, she doesn't spook at all. She is bold > and competitive (although she is low low low on the horse hierarchy in > a herd situation). when trail riding her by myself, she spooks at > least once or twice per ride. It is a jump sideways, and then she > looks. Or often she jumps and bolts about 10 feet or so, and then > allows me to pull her to a stop. > > When driving, since she is green, she gets concerned by the noise of > the cart behind her when we go over bumps and tree roots etc. She > also gets a little excited by the feel/sound of the cart behind her > when we trot, so she raises her head and speeds up. I am working on > asking her for a trot and then asking her to be slow and calm in the > trot . She is doing well. The one time I drove her out on the roads > with another horse that was also pulling a cart, she did fine UNTIL we > tried a trot. when I asked for a trot, she became so alarmed by the > sound of the cart on the road, that she put her head up high and off > to the side and went really fast with an "I'm terrified" body > language. I got terrified myself, but managed to get her to stop and > walk calmly. > > I know it is NOT traditional to drive a horse without blinkers. But my > feeling is that if she could see what was behind her, she may not get > so tense and scared. Do you think this is correct, or am I missing > some huge safety factor here? > > This thursday we were driving through the woods around my house, and > we got close to the pasture where Splendora lives with her Donkey. The > donkey came running, and it spooked Splendora enough that she bolted > forward. I got pulled to my knees in the cart, and therefore lost rein > contact so couldn't pull her to a stop. My silly husband was sitting > there calmly on the seat. I had to actually TELL him to grab the reins &g
Re: to use blinkers or not when driving spook-prone Fjord?
This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello Jean, and thank you for that info that they drive in open bridles in Norway. That gives me some encouragement that an open bridle may be the thing to do with Splendora. When you say start again, do you mean start by ground driving her in an open bridle, then when she is comfy with that, move to hitching her to the cart but still walking beside the cart with long reins and ground driving her that way, and finally getting in the cart with her in an open bridle? Thanks in advance for your clarification, Jen On 1/26/08, Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > In Norway they generally do NOT use blinkers driving their > Fjords! Open bridles is what I see on most every photo of Fjords > driving in Norway. > > If you do go with an open bridle be sure to start without the cart, > from the beginning again. > > Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska where is cold again -40 in the low areas to > -15 on the hills. > > > > >I have been driving my new Fjord mare (got her in October) and she is > >doing fabulously. > >But I have the intuitive feeling that she may feel more safe withOUT > >the blinkers on her driving bridle. I am wondering what you all > >think. > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
re: to use blinkers or not when driving spook-prone Fjord?
This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi List, I have been driving my new Fjord mare (got her in October) and she is doing fabulously. But I have the intuitive feeling that she may feel more safe withOUT the blinkers on her driving bridle. I am wondering what you all think. She is the kind of Fjord that is very forward moving, loves to go, and has a hard time with Woah! She also likes to stop and look at anything that concerns her, and she does spook occasionally. When on a trail ride with other horses, she doesn't spook at all. She is bold and competitive (although she is low low low on the horse hierarchy in a herd situation). when trail riding her by myself, she spooks at least once or twice per ride. It is a jump sideways, and then she looks. Or often she jumps and bolts about 10 feet or so, and then allows me to pull her to a stop. When driving, since she is green, she gets concerned by the noise of the cart behind her when we go over bumps and tree roots etc. She also gets a little excited by the feel/sound of the cart behind her when we trot, so she raises her head and speeds up. I am working on asking her for a trot and then asking her to be slow and calm in the trot . She is doing well. The one time I drove her out on the roads with another horse that was also pulling a cart, she did fine UNTIL we tried a trot. when I asked for a trot, she became so alarmed by the sound of the cart on the road, that she put her head up high and off to the side and went really fast with an "I'm terrified" body language. I got terrified myself, but managed to get her to stop and walk calmly. I know it is NOT traditional to drive a horse without blinkers. But my feeling is that if she could see what was behind her, she may not get so tense and scared. Do you think this is correct, or am I missing some huge safety factor here? This thursday we were driving through the woods around my house, and we got close to the pasture where Splendora lives with her Donkey. The donkey came running, and it spooked Splendora enough that she bolted forward. I got pulled to my knees in the cart, and therefore lost rein contact so couldn't pull her to a stop. My silly husband was sitting there calmly on the seat. I had to actually TELL him to grab the reins and get her to stop! I'm thinking that spook and lurch forward wouldn't have happened had she had more range of vision. Any suggestions? Do I keep driving with blinkers and let her turn from green to some other shade slowly with time and practice? Or do I take the blinkers off and let her see what is going on around her? Thanks! jen The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Nutrena Lite...the main munch for Bogie!
This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Kay, I LOVE the way you write about your boys! Very hysterical!!! I think you should write a book about Braveheart and Bogie Jen (Splendora's Mom) On 1/26/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > I switched Bogie, the calorically challenged Love Pony, from regular sweet > feed to Nutrina Lite (talk to me later about America's love affair with > incorrect spelling) and have been very pleased with the results. He's still > pretty > prosperous looking but is slowly returning from maximum density to his usual > chubby-blond- pony appearance. He's never going to have that sveldte look > that > Braveheart seems to maintain so easily but I don't really think that's what > he's supposed to look like. Unlike BH, he's got the metabloism of a sloth and > gains a pound every time he hears a carrot snap...a condition with which I can > really identify! Anyhow, he seems to like the Nutrina Lite and I think it's > helping a lot. > > Kay, just back from shoveling snow in MI > and Braveheart and Bogie, just on their way out to roll in it. > > > > **Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. > (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp00300025 > 48) > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Making the (powedered psyillium) Medicine go Down?
This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Gail. most sources that speak of using Psyllium for horses reccomend mixing a few ounces of oil onto the feed and then adding the Psylium. Problem with that method is that you may not want to give your Fjords the extra fat of all that oil. I do the oil thing with the same exact horsetech product you are speaking of, and my TWH mares gobble it up. I have yet to feed Psyllium to my Fjord, but will do so using a little less oil. I wonder though, if psyllium coated with oil will still absorb water in the intestines and swell up to do it's cleaning function? I have always wondered that. I think that I will try an experiment of mixing the psylim with oil and then getting it wet and seeing if it will still swell. But, I am a firm believer that it is OK to get the psyllium wet with water before feeding. It turns into a gelatinous substance--the same thing it will turn into in the intestines, and if the horse will still eat it (mine will) I don't see why people are so against it. Perhpas call Rod the owner of Horsetech and ask him if it is OK to get it wet with water before feeding, or if that will somehow negate it's actions in the intestines. when you get an answer, please let us know! Jen On 1/23/08, Gail Russell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: "Gail Russell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I bought powdered psyllium mixed with ground flax seed from Horse Tech > because it is supposed to be better at picking up sand than pelleted forms. > > Problem is, some horses will not eat it at all. Others breath hard on it > (or the wind blows in the outside corrals) and the psyllium just blows away. > > I know it should not be put in water. I have considered spraying ground up > hay or hay pellets with water, just enough to make the psyllium stick, and > trying that. > > My husband mixes psyllium with molasses and pellets and that works fairly > well, but is horribly messy. > > Gail > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2008 #18
This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Bonnie, all commercial feeds suggest what you just wrote about: you feed by weight not by Vollume. But I spoke with Dr. Dan of the Natural Vet--the products that were asked about in the first post in this chain--and he specifically said that when switching from commercial feed to whole oats, do it by vollume and not by weight. I double checked with him to make sure that was correct, since it is different than what we are all taught. He said you have to experiment to get the right amount, but to do it by vollume. what I am finding is that I need to lower the vollume when feeding oats. The supplements added are what are required to ballance the deficiencies in oats, and to make the calcium:phosphorous ratio correct. Jen On 1/23/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > From my understanding of feeding it is best to feed by weight and not > volume. The same volume of one feed can weigh much more than another, even > the > same grain, but in a different form such as rolled oats verse whole. Whole > are > much heavier and feeding the same volume would not be a good situation. Get a > scale and weigh different feeds out. You just might be surprised at what > 1lb really looks like. I might suggest a good book call Understanding Equine > Nutrition written by Karen Briggs. This should answer most of your > questions.I manage over 40 horses currently including Fjords and do not > have any > over weight issues. Supplements have their place, but over all most do not > need as many as it seem except to make their owners feel better. > > > > Good Luck > > Bonnie Morris > > > > **Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp0030002489 > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2008 #18
This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Patty, NO--don't ket your pony (or any other equine for that matter) free feed on oats. This would be too dangerous--could result in founder. I am sorry I wasn't clear in my first e-mail about this: You would substitute, by vollume, not by weight, the oats for the feed you are currently using. Then add oil and "just add oats". You will probably need to feed LESS oats than you are feeding sweet feed. BUT: I am currently switching over to this system, and my Tennessee Walking horse mares are rapidly getting fat pads at their tail heads and over their shoulders. So I am quickly reducing the amount of oats. I think it is too high in carbs for them. So it remains to be seen whether or not I can get them the right amount of oats to keep them healthy and not fat. If you want me to be the giunee pig and let you know how it goes before you try it out, just let me know, or check back with me in 2 weks or so... Also, I personally would be terrified to try this with my Fjord. So for her I'll stick to my current feeding methods until I figure out what to get her on if I take her off the tiny amount of Nutrena/Acco she is currently on--basically it is just a little something to stick her Glanzen Lite by Horsetech to! I hope I was able to clarify this for you, Jen On 1/22/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > In a message dated 1/22/2008 3:47:10 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > It is based on feeding > whole oats. You feed as much or as little whole oats as each > individual horse requires. You balance the deficiencies in oats by > adding a supplemnt called Just-Add-Oats. This ensures that each horse > gets the proper calcium to phosphorous ratio and all the minerals and > vitamins they need, while not having to eat huge amounts of feed to > get them. Then you also add a fat supplement which slows the > absorbtion of the starches in the oats so as not to get those peaks > and valleys of blood sugars and insulin, and also to provide the fats > that horses need. > > > > So do you just put out containers and let them eat all that they want? I > would think some breeds (Fjords, ponies, mustangs, donkeys, etc) would eat too > much. Or are they supposed to balance out after they get what their systems > need? I would like to know how this goes, as I have a 30+ year old pony who > doesn't like her senior unless we buy John Lyons, which is loaded with > molasses. > She has lost most of her teeth and has choked repeatedly on hay. > Patty > > > > **Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp0030002489 > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Patti Walters-Cart question.
This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Yes Bernadine, more info please! Is there a website? Thanks, Jen On 1/22/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Hello Patti and other listers, > Greetings from frozen Michigan! > My choice for an all around cart is called a Country Marathon Cart. It is > from Claudette Robinson in Columbus, NC. I needed something easier to get > into and a cart that I could use in the fields and woods. This is a super > cart > for getting into, as it has an extra step. It is comfortable and very well > made. I use it on a 13.2 and a 14.2 horse, with no problem and even though I > have had it since 2001, it still looks like new and has saved my show cart a > lot of wear and tear. Let me know if you want more information. > > Bernadine Karns > Nottawa Crossing Fjords > > > > > > > **Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp0030002489 > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: feeding horses/fjords
This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Debby, I have been very impressed by Triple Crown feeds from my research into them. They also make a guaranteed low NSC (low carbs and sugars) chopped grass feed that sounds perfect for the horses that are insulin resistant or that we worry will become IR. Problem is: none of the feed suppliers in my area carry Triple Crown. Bummer. I was feeding all my horses Garlic (a product called EquiGarlic) and Diatomaceous Earth (a product called DE36) and that combo works wonders. although like you, I still have to bug spray my horses. But if I don't feed them the 2 above supplements, I see a huge amount of insects coming around. I just switched to Bug Check because I spoke to DR. Dan the Natural Vet and he is very very sure of himself and his product! He claims it will work BETTER than what I was doing. I am very skeptical, but decided to give it a try just incase he is correct! I have basically switched over to his entire routine based on my conversation with him. He guarantees (a dangerous thing to do!) that my TWH with an allergy to the Culliicioides Fly saliva (i.e. sweet itch or allergy to Gnat bites) will be CURED by the regime he set me up with. I figure I spend so much money on Chinese Herbs and Vinegar and Spirulina etc. etc. that I may as well spend the same amount on his products! I also think that because we have spoken in person, if it doesn't work, he'll be responsive and helpful to figure it out or give me my money back (ha! wishful thinking!) Jen On 1/22/08, Debby Stai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: "Debby Stai" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I feed the Bug Check from the Natural Horse Vet...I've been feeding it for > years now, and although I still have to spray for flies and I have an auto fly > system, I can't stand flies...I do see a difference if I run outand I like > the DE it leavs in the manure... > I don't feed oats, I'd understood them to be high starch and my guys need less > starch...I feed TC Lite, they get about 2lbs a day, the small pony less, but > its made to feed less but gives them the vitamins/minerals they needIt is > a pellet though, for those that don't like pelleted feed...but Triple Crown is > good stuffThey also have a wonderful forage, a grass mix, that has some > vege oil and the Lite grain added to it...you could just feed it and not have > to worry about adding grain > Debby in Tx > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: feed, fence eating
This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I am obsesses with equine nutrition, and the biggest problem I have found is that when feeding "easy keepers" like many Fjords, and like one of my TWH mares, you run up against this problem: The commercial feeds are designed to only provide the correct vitamin and mineral ballance when fed in a specific vollume which is TOO MUCH for the easy keepers. If you reduce the amount of feed, then they get shorted on the necessary vitamins and minerals, and their coats will show that shortage fairly quickly. So, the Nutrena Lie Ballance was designed to be a low starch low fat feed that is heavily fortified with Vitamins and minerals and can therefore be fed in smaller amounts and the horse will get what they need. Supposedly. I can't get Nutrena where I live, but I can get Acco, which is the same feed, just under a different name. I bought the Acco Golden Equine LIte, which is supposed to be (to my understanding) the same as NUtrena Lite Ballance. I did NOT like the feed. It is a pelleted feed (which is fine by me, although not very natural) and each different lot was a distinctly different color. Which told me that there was very little consistency in the ingredients used. After one lot/color change, 2 of my mares aged 8 & 9 who had never colliced in their lives, both colliced. My vet told me to get them off the feed--he does NOT like feeds which are inconsistent. Also, my mares skin became very flaky at the tail head and where the mane attatches to the neck. They were obviouls not getting the right amount of fat, despite the fact that they were also eating 6 ounces a day of an amazing Flax supplement called Glanzen 3 by horsetech. I have heard that horses will chew the bark off trees when they are not getting enough of something they need--usually vitamins and minerals. I am currently switching over to an entirely new horse feeding system that is expensive, but seems to make sense to me. If you are interested, I will let you know how it is going. The 'regime' is developed by The Natural Horse Vet--a western vetrinarian who has gone totally alternative. It is based on feeding whole oats. You feed as much or as little whole oats as each individual horse requires. You ballance the deficiencies in oats by adding a supplemnt called Just-Add-Oats. This ensures that each horse gets the proper calcium to phosphorous ratio and all the minerals and vitamins they need, while not having to eat huge amounts of feed to get them. Then you also add a fat supplement which slows the absorbtion of the starches in the oats so as not to get those peaks and valleys of blood sugars and insulin, and also to provide the fats that horses need. The concept is great. The question is: does it work? I have just started it. My horses LOVE it, and one mare is already even shinier than fitter looking than she was, and she looked great before I started it. I have my TWH's on it, and not my Fjord yet. But I will try her on it too . Basically, the Natural Vet says, and I agree with him, that commercial feeds are equivalent to junk food. THey have lots of Molasses in them, and sugar is not good for horses. period. They have the wrong kinds of fat added--usually corn oil which is not the right kind of fat, despite the fact that all commercial feeds use it. Etc. Horses in the wild eat the seed heads when grasses have matured and gone to seed (I have watched mine eat the seed heads off the Bahai grass we have) which is exactly what oats are--seed heads of grasses. where in the wild would a horse get a hold of pellets?! Anyway, that's something to think about! Jen On 1/21/08, Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I Think they start eating the fences and posts after the snow gets > them wet, and they are bored. We will cut aspen (poplar) saplings > and smaller trees and throw them in for them to chew. they clean > the bark off the young sapling, etc. and get their urge to chew satisfied. > > I think that feeding Ground flax also helps dampen their urge to chew > wood. I wonder if "Quit" has flax in it? > > I feed Nutrena Senior Life to my old Fjords. I don't think our feed > store has the Nutrena Lite , maybe they have "safe Choice" now. > > Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska where we are having unseasonably warm > weather because we sent the frigid arctic air down to you folks in the > Midwest. > > Also three days ago my horses > >started eating the fences and fence posts. They have not done this before and > >nothing has changed. Does the supplement "Quit" really work in 7 days like > >the > >guarantee says? I don't > >want this to become a habit. > >Debbie in NH > >__
Re: Buckeye Feed
This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Roberta, I am curious: why are you skeptical about Buckeye feeds? I have just chosen to radically change the way I feed my horses, and what I feed them (ofcourse I am making the change gradually and safely). I have chosen a different route than Buckeye, but am interested in the various feeding programs out there that are different than the usual and would like to hear your skepticism about the Buckeye program... Jen On 1/18/08, Warren Stockwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: "Warren Stockwell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I have one client that feeds it and loves it. I'm a bit skeptical however > her horses are doing fine on it ( Morgans ). I think Michael and Betsy Scott > have used it in the past and may still with there mare Naveeta ( Fjord ). > Maybe they'll chime in if they are here. > > Roberta > MN > - Original Message - > From: "Ardeth Obenauf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 7:58 AM > Subject: Buckeye Feed > > > > This message is from: "Ardeth Obenauf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Has anyone had experience feeding Buckeye products to fjords? The local > rep > > came out and took at look at my 4 fjords and 7 quarterhorses and we are > > waiting for the results of a hay test before starting on Buckeye. > > > > I really like their concept of the feed as a supplement to the forage, not > > the other way around. Also, most of their products are low carb and you > > feed according to body weight, life stage and level of work. It may be a > > little complicated to figure out who gets what, but they'll do that for > me, > > and even deliver my feed to me once a month! > > > > I have heard good results from other horse owners, but none of them are > > feeding fjords, which we all know are special. > > > > ao > > > > Ardeth Obenauf > > The Lazy AO Farm > > Shelbyville, TN > > > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: old wives tale?
This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Well, my mare has a "rough" coat i guess: it is thick and somewhat coarse. I figured it was the primitive coat that they needed to survive, before they started breeding us humans to pamper them! I figure she was never gelded!! Jen On 1/18/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Randomly found in Cherry Hill's new book, Horsekeeping Almanac on page 466 > under Historical Horsekeeping: "Colts should be castrated in April, or at the > end of May. Colts castrated in the cold season of the year are likely to > have permanently a rough coat." > -- The Book of the Horse by Samuel Sidney, 1880 > Could this be the reason for my guy's rough coat, as he was gelded in > December?? Any thoughts? (Note: Cherry Hill put a heading on the above boxed > quote, "Not Always True"! > Kay in Western Mass. > > > _ > Free info on medical administration training. Click to request info now! > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3oIq8GgIK6QllZaBn8CHSpR5jiq > lHP3JgoT0HmGLK9va18F4/ > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Winter Gear Recommendations
This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Lois, You were wondering where to find wool long underwear: R.E.I. has it. Jen On 1/12/08, Lois Anne Starr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: "Lois Anne Starr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Hi All! > > In response to a request for the websites and suggestions I received on > windy winter riding I have compiled excerpts from the various emails for > those of you who may find it of use. Thank you again for all the posts to > my inquiry. By the way, Geier is king of the roost here though Sunny > (Appy/Arab) sure tried to convince him otherwise for about 3 minutes So > not all Fjordies are pushovers and yes Geier makes sure he gets his share of > the food > > R: I have found that you must have warmth *snug *against your skin, first > of all, I believe in layering =)).. so start with wool long johns perhaps, > then maybe something air tight, etc. ending up with a windbreaker. like > tightly woven nylon, canvas, or indestructable rubber type. > so you need both, the skin warmth, plus the wind break. Gene has "Duofold" > Polypropylene (sp?) underwear which he likes, but we don't have the wind > here so don't know how that would work where you are... I prefer natural > fibers on the skin. > > Me: Windbreaker material is absolutely miserable for me to be able to remain > seated, unless I use the wrong material? Verry slippery! Someone mentioned > using suede schooling chaps over a bunch of layers. I think the suede would > keep me from sliding about. I will look for wool long johns though, may > have to order them. Can only find cotton or synthetics in the stores. > Someone else suggested silk too. Have to keep experimenting... > 29 degrees, 40 mph sustained with 50-80 mph gustsand it is snowing. > furballs are hiding in their shed... > > C: I have a pair of Irideon brand winter breeches. They are made out of > some kind of soft stuff, kind of fleecy, and they are very warm. They are > sold as winter weight riding breeches. They are stretchy and pull-on, and > have knee patches. ...They are both available from Dover, either on-line or > through the catalog. > > K: Jaimie and I both swear by our full schooling chaps. I usually wear long > johns, a pair of jeans over them, and then put on my chaps. > > N: I wear panty hose first, wood socks, jeans and have a pair of chaps that > seem to be pretty heavy. > > H: that works well for me is a few level of thin clothing like long silk > under wear along with insulated yeans and on top of that western leather > chaps. Those chaps would be way to big for the summer time, but they keep > the wind away. > > K: The breeches I have to give away are made by Tuff Rider. > -- > Lois Anne, Wayne, Gallant Geier and the Lovely Lana from Montana > > Tell me, and I'll probably forget. > Show me, and I will remember, > Involve me, and I will understand. > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Cold weather gear
This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thanks Lola for the tip on the Dover Saddlery sale! Much appreciated! Jen On 1/12/08, Lola Lahr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: "Lola Lahr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Dover saddlery is having a great sale on their winter riding stuff - tons > of riding pants! They have the windpro breeches and some pants that fit > over your breeches or jeans (like snow pants). I just got their sale > catalog and there are more choices in there than what they have on their > website, or at least they're easier to find... I have some Kerrits windpro > breeches that I use in wet, cold weather. I wear silk long johns under them > and my legs stay warm and dry. I vowed I would never trail ride in the > winter in jeans again after getting caught in the rain on a November ride. > It seemed like I'd never so cold, I could hardly move my legs because the > denim was so wet and heavy that the material stuck to my skin - and I could > hardly get the darn things off! > > On Jan 11, 2008 2:38 PM, Lois Anne Starr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > This message is from: "Lois Anne Starr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Hi Listers! > > > > I want to thank everyone who responded privately and on the list to my > > request for suggested cold weather gear. Quite a few people have commonly > > recommended specific brands or products that I will particularly look > > into. > > Love the woolies idea butout of my price range...I'm sure they would > > do > > an excellent job though. Thanks again everyone, and warm riding to you > > all! > > > > > > -- > > Lois Anne, Wayne, Gallant Geier and the Lovely Lana from Montana > > > > Tell me, and I'll probably forget. > > Show me, and I will remember, > > Involve me, and I will understand. > > > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: measuring wagon for horse
This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Could whoever answers Janet's question post the answer on the list--I too would love to know what measurements are needed to know if a 4 wheel vehicle will fit my 13.2 Fjord. Thanks! And thanks Janet for asking the question! Jen On 1/12/08, Janet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: "Janet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Hi, > > What measurements do I need to know to decide if a 4 wheeled wagon is the > right size for my horses? I need the wagon to fit Fjords that are 14-15 > hands. > > Janet > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Cold weather gear
This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Lois Anne, would you be willing to make a list of all the cold weather riding breeches reccomendations that people have sent you (since we all missed the recs that were sent to you off list) and their websites? Thanks! Jen On 1/11/08, Lois Anne Starr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: "Lois Anne Starr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Hi Listers! > > I want to thank everyone who responded privately and on the list to my > request for suggested cold weather gear. Quite a few people have commonly > recommended specific brands or products that I will particularly look into. > Love the woolies idea butout of my price range...I'm sure they would do > an excellent job though. Thanks again everyone, and warm riding to you all! > > > -- > Lois Anne, Wayne, Gallant Geier and the Lovely Lana from Montana > > Tell me, and I'll probably forget. > Show me, and I will remember, > Involve me, and I will understand. > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Fire and Ice
This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Very innovative way to feed! Jen On 1/11/08, Joe Glick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: Joe Glick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I can relate to the Fire and Ice issue. I once put a Fjord mare in a pasture > with a Standardbred/Haflinger cross mare. They were both dominant mares and I > was curious to see which one would back down. The pasture was large enough and > didn't have any tight corners where they could get cornered. It took a few > days but the Fjord mare came out the winner, and they got along fine after > that. > > I keep most of my horses in open pastures/paddocks. My solution to individual > feeding is hanging a bucket on their head. I buy 8 quart buckets like those > sold by Country Supply for $2.59, remove the handle and attach a 1" wide nylon > strap with snaps on both ends and a buckle for length adjustment. Fasten the > snaps to the ring where the handle was attached. Each horse can be fed > separately. Wait to remove the buckets till they have all finished eating so > they don't pest the ones still eating. Feeding horses is part of my training > routine. If I'm feeding four horses in one paddock I always follow the same > sequence when putting the buckets on. Each horse must wait their turn and then > take a step backwards before I put the bucket on their head, otherwise I might > get flattened by four hungry horses. When they are finished eating they walk > to the gate to have the bucket removed. That takes a little time for some > horses to learn, because they would rather have you come after them to > retrieve the bucket. The strap should be short enough that the bucket stays on > their head but long enough that they have to set it on the ground to get a > bite. If you forget to remove the buckets (who would do that? :) ) they will > learn how to remove them, so I don't like to do that to often. What happens > then is the first one to finish can then pest the ones still eating. > > Joe Glick > Glick Family Farm > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Fire and Ice
This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> My TWH mares do just fine with open stalls--they go into their own stall and eat and leave the other alone. But I hear you--it rarely works. So saturday my hubby and I will build a door on the Paso's stall. Then we will work on convincing the Fjord that the Paso is locked in and she will be safe...I bet a carrot will help convince her! Thanks for all the advice--I really appreciate it! Jen > > BTW it never works to have two or more horses with open stalls and > feed in them! You will just have to put each horse in it's own stall > and shut the door at feeding time. > > I shuffle my senior Fjords in and out of the single stall to eat > their senior feed and joint supplement that the younger fjords do not > get. It is a bit more work, but if does work > > Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska -15 and clear. > > . But in the pasture she gets pushed off the hay piles, etc. > >But she is still a horse, and sub-dominant horses like to know their > >place in the world, so perhaps it is fine with her. Right? > >Managing their different metabolic needs is harder than I predicted. > >That is another way in which the mix of fire and ice is so hard! The > >Paso is skinny and needs 3 meals a day right now as I try to put > >weight on her. And the Fjord, well...need I even say it? > >Any thoughts? Advice? > >Thanks, > >Jen > > > >The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > >http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Fire and Ice
This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Jean! You are brilliant! I never thought of it that way!! But what about this: another list member e-mailed me off-list with the concern that if my fjord is stressed at meal time she may develop an ulcer. What say you to that? All I care about is that my Fjord is happy-- I know you understand that because every single person on this list is so all about their happy Fjords! So if I could only KNOW if she is happy (or not) with this arrangement. I think that for now I will take it one day at a time... Thanks, Jen On 1/10/08, jgayle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: "jgayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Well, Jen. It sounds like the perfect match!!! Your Fjord will always want > to be fat and this now means she can not eat too much. The Paso is in > charge of your Fjord's diet! While the Fjord, by backing off, makes it > possible for the Paso to eat more!! Jean Gayle > > > > > > > > Author of: > 'The Colonel's Daughter" > Occupied Germany 1946 to 1949 > Send: $20 to Three Horse's Press > 7403 Blaine Rd > Aberdeen, WA 98520 > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
