Re: Omega Horsehine
This message is from: "Kristen L. Andersen" We have been feeding Omega Horseshine for several years and love it! On Dec 17, 2012, at 7:14 PM, S Sexton wrote: > This message is from: S Sexton > > > Has anyone tried Omega Horseshine with their Fjord or other horses? > http://www.omegafields.com/equine-products/omega-horseshiner.html > I recently noticed that Sparrow's feet aren't coming in the nicest looking and > I think I just let her diet get unbalanced. But her coat has been dull and she > has that tail itch thing sometimes. I know Omega says it will help with > hooves, coat, itch and a number of other things. Also, it's supposed to be > good for easy keepers and ECIR horses, we're not EC or IR but we're definitely > easy keepers! (Sparrow and I fit in that, like horse, like owner mold...) > Curious if it's worth the effort or if I should go with one of the SmartPak > brand products. We moved to a new barn today (we're going to learn Eventing! > yikes) and they will feed supplements in the daily doses. Sparrow will be on a > good brome type hay and Strategy feed, about 2 handfuls worth twice a day > (just enough to keep her from thinking she isn't getting anything during > feeding time). > Okay, not sure if this went through when I hit send this weekend, don't recall > seeing it make the list, but then it's sitting in my drafts now so... > apologies if this is a duplicate!! I think the cold front coming in is getting > to me :0 > Stephanie > www.sextonstables.com/mares.html > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: parade fjords
This message is from: Kristen L Andersen My mini gelding has an extremely think mane and came to me with a "broken" crest. It droops to the right side. -Kristen On Jul 29, 2012, at 2:37 PM, Mary Ofjord wrote: This message is from: "Mary Ofjord" If that were true, wouldn't the Shetlands crests fall over if their manes got long, or the Icelandics? Also, one of the PRE (Pura Raza Española) horses in the production of Cavalia, an older stallion, has a fallen crest that flops over. His mane is still long, and he's still a proud horse. I was under the impression that the Fjords manes were cut to emphasize the arch of the neck and show off the midstol. Not every Fjord's manes are heavy, some are down right skimpy. I'm wondering letting these heavy manes to fall naturally can cause the crest to start to fall also..my farrier thinks the manes are just so heavy that's probably why the manes have to be cut...any info on this? __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 7338 (20120729) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Saddle questions..
This message is from: "Kristen L. Andersen" Hi Kelly, Wintec makes a wonderful Australian stock saddle with an interchangeable/adjustable gullet system. It comes in a more English looking style and a more western looking one. It is super secure and super comfortable, great trail saddle that works well on my high withered boy. Also synthetic and easy to care for. Here is some more info: http://www.wintec.net.au/products/stock/stockPro.html Cheers, -Kristen On Sep 3, 2011, at 9:30 PM, Kelly Trirogoff wrote: > This message is from: Kelly Trirogoff > > > Hi all... > > I am having a heck of a time fitting a western saddle to my fjord..I have > looked through the archives, but everyone seems to be having the opposite > problem to me...I don't have a wide/ low withered fjord..My fjord is a "sporty > model" with a narrow frame, and withers ( he has a dutch back)...I have always > ridden in a wintec dressage saddle and been just fine...However now I want to > change to a western saddle (as I need the horn for security while riding with > my son) and I am having TONS of trouble getting something that fits, as his > back is short, and the whole withers/ narrow body thing...What do people do > when they have a thoroughbred and they wanna ride western? I tried the wintec > and the gullet was too wide, I tried a crates and again same problem, I have a > Santa fe on trial right now, but to me the skirt seems too long, but the > withers fit better (and it is considered a short skirt by western > standards)... > > I personally love synthetic as it is easy to clean, and light (great for me as > a busy mom), but wintec is out as the gullet is too wide so it sits right on > his withers...Does anyone have experience with Cordura, or any other synthetic > brand? I live on Vancouver Island ,BC, Canada, so my store choices are > limited...I'm feeling a little cautious about ordering one on line as you > never know what you are gonna get... > > Thanks > > Kelly and Skovy > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: barefoot
This message is from: "Kristen L. Andersen" Hi Laurie, Barefoot trimming has kept my special needs boy (born with angular deformity to his hind legs) in great shape. We started with it when he was 4 years old after two vets said he would never be ridden. He is now 8, looks and moves great (before the change in trimming practices you could see weakness in his hind end, afterward the vet was blown away with the difference) and we are able to do limited light riding. I would highly recommend a good barefoot trimmer. Find a good one and give it some time. Hoof boots are a great way to go for a horse with sensitive or thin soles. I was just out riding last week on a friend's horse who was wearing Cavallo hoof boots, they were super easy to put on and take off and worked great. No shifting and the horse was very happy with them. Where are you located again? It escapes me. ;-) -Kristen On 8/25/11 1:45 PM, laurie with wrote: This message is from: laurie with i am sure this has been discussed on here before, but i am looking into having a barefoot trim done on oz. he's been on and off since spring, and it's happened before. i now have a vet talking about more injections and even surgery. before i go that direction, i think i want to try the barefoot. his soles get so ouchy on the gravel driveway, and i always give up before we have success. right now i am not riding a whole lot. i'm on medical leave because my knee has gotten so bad that i can't stand up long enough for work. i start medicare in december and will get the knee done early in january. meanwhile i do what i can. meanwhile he had an equine energy balancing session this morning and was feeling pretty darn good. laurie, and oz, already starting his winter coat ;( Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f -- Kristen L. Andersen http://www.nightheronfarm.com http://www.facebook.com/nightheronfarm http://www.twitter.com/nightheronfarm Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Body Condition Score
This message is from: "Kristen L. Andersen" Excellent post Phillip, thank you! -Kristen Off to the market in sunny Portland, OR On 8/6/11 8:06 AM, Phillip Odden wrote: This message is from: Phillip Odden Hello from Phillip odden in Northwestern Wisconsin where it is still pretty hot and steamy. In Wisconsin grass grows high and deep. In Norway where all Fjord Horses can be traced back to their genetic base, grass was very limited especially before modern fertilizers became available. If a Fjord was unable to make a living on the small amounts of dried grass and weeds, sea weed, ash tree branches or even fish they either died or that line of Fjords was not bred. Because of the very limited amount of feed on the West Coast of Norway prior to the 1950's or so, Fjords were bred to be thrifty eaters. One old man in Norway told me that if a Fjord were turned out on good pasture all summer and didn't get way too fat there was something wrong with the animal. Dr. Don Henneke developed a Body Condition Score for horses to determine if they are too thin, too fat or about right. This concept is widely used by Veterinarians to understand where fat accumulates in horses and how to judge the condition of your horse. If your horse is too fat evidence suggests it contributes to colic, decreased reproductive performance, development of orthopedic diseases, lameness, and equine metabolic syndrome. I am quite sure more Fjords die from over eating than being starved in a range of 100/1. This Body Conditioning System is a good tool to understand if your Fjord is too fat. Since Fjords are supposed to be a horse with good substance I feel that a Fjord can have a score of say 7 with the range of healthy for most horses being from 5 to 7. Once I became familiar with this system I alway use it to gage the body condition of all my Fjords taking into consideration the season of the year, how much hair they have, what season is coming up, their age, and how hard I plan to work them. I like to have my Fjords a little fat going into our cold long winters since all my Fjords are outside all the time, say BCS 7-8. I expect them to loose weight during the winter. This is how it was in Norway where they were bred. Spring time BCS say 5-6. I keep my young stock a little thinner. People cry about starting to ride a horse before the age of 3. Well I don't ride mine until age 4. But allowing your young Fjords to carry 100 to 200 pounds of overweight each and every step of their lives is much the same as riding them 24/7. Certainly overweight in young horses is not healthy and will limit their soundness in later life. When Dr. Tor Finstad came to visit my farm a few years ago for the NFHR 25th anniversary celebration ( wish we could have another ), he complimented me on how trim and healthy my young stock were at the time. Dr. Finstad is a Veterinarian and was at that time the Chief Evaluator for Fjords in Norway. He was concerned about overweight issues in Fjords in Norway now that Norwegians are buying fertilizers and are able to afford high quality feeds. Fjords are getting too fat in Norway too. This is a complicated problem just as overweight is a very complicated problem for many of us in our personal lives. And many like to think of their horses as an extension of themselves. It has to do with the times we live in with abundant inexpensive food. It is much more difficult to feed a Fjord for a good healthy Body Conditioning Score than to just feed it all it wants. So congratulations to those of you who have found the proper balance. For me it is OK to have my horses hungry a couple times a day. And I feel it is healthy for me to feel a little hungry now and then too. Unless a Fjord is working hard it probably doesn't need any grain or feed concentrate. I use dry lots and I feed mostly over-ripe stemmy grass hay that I put up myself. If you are serious about health issues in Fjords get familiar with Dr. Henneke's Body Conditioning Score for equines. If you feel it is acceptable or not worth the effort to get control of weight issues for your horses then please enjoy them as they are. Its a sign of the times. People and our dear animals, horses, dogs, and cats as well suffer from weight problems in a land blessed with too much food, too easy to get and poor information regarding nutrition and exercise. Comfort food for us and comfort food for our horses too. Its not easy. respectfully, with shades of willpower determination and courage, Phil Odden Now Else where did you hide my bag of potato chips anyway? Its time for a beer. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f -- Kristen L. Andersen http://www.nightheronfarm.com http://www.facebook.com/ni
Re: PNW fjords
This message is from: "Kristen L. Andersen" Oh Alice! Congrats on Bocina!!! I had my eye on her from afar but sadly, I hadn't saved enough pennies yet. What a lovely, special girl, I am sure the two of you will have a blast together. :-) Thanks so much for the link, I will check it out. I too have greatly valued this group. Thank you all! Cheers, -Kristen On Nov 4, 2010, at 1:45 PM, Alice MacGillivray wrote: This message is from: Alice MacGillivray Kristen: you might take a look at a new Facebook group recently started by Kelly Trirogoff to assemble Vancouver Island fjord "fanciers." I don't think there are any breeders near here (and if you haven't already, you might hear people debate criteria for a "breeder" listing), but I believe there are many fjord owners quietly tucked away in different parts of the island. http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/group.php?gid=121304981254207 I've been learning from this listserv as well as the fjordissues one for several months now and value them hugely. I felt like a bit of an impostor joining without a fjord. But I'm now legit. I've been afraid to announce that I've found "my fjord" as it just seems too good to be true. But Bluebird Lane's Bocina will be coming to Vancouver Island once I'm set up properly. I expect people on this site are some of the few on the continent who know how exciting this is. Alice MacGillivray Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Worldwide Fjord Breeders Map
This message is from: "Kristen L. Andersen" Wow, there has been some great interest in seeing this expanded. Thank you all for both the on and off list responses. The consensus seems to be that folks would love to see it go worldwide, so we can see where all the breeders are located. I will work on it a little at a time (it may take a while) region by region by first entering the breeders listed on the registry sites and then putting out an email calling for any additional entries I missed. As some folks noticed you can also add yourself to the map, you are more than welcome to do so! Just make sure to include the following: 1. Farm name 2. First and Last Name 3. Address (or just the town if you would prefer not to be pin pointed) 4. Website (or contact info if you do not have a website) Feel free to spread the word and share the map. Thanks for being such a wonderful community! Cheers, -Kristen in sunny SW Washington, USA Fjord Breeders Map: http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=111395969346383375140.0004753aff47eed3f1dba&z=6 Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Map showing Fjord Breeders
This message is from: "Kristen L. Andersen" Thank you to the folks that emailed me to have me add you to the list, it has been updated: http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=111395969346383375140.0004753aff47eed3f1dba&ll=46.483265,-118.256836&spn=9.442007,19.731445&z=6 What do you all think... would you like it to show all of the breeders in the US and Canada? Over time it could even be expanded to show all breeders worldwide! It could be a fun, visual resource with an old fashioned companion list that goes along side it for easy print out etc... -Kristen On Nov 3, 2010, at 12:40 AM, jerry friz wrote: > This message is from: "jerry friz" > > > Subject: Map of PNW Fjord Breeders > > >> This message is from: "Kristen L. Andersen" >> >> >> > If you could take a peek and let me know if there is anyone not on >> here that should be that would be wonderful! >> >> Good idea Kristen. I might suggest you include owners also. I >> know there are a lot more that you could add. > Cheers, > Jerry in Northern, Ca. > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Map of PNW Fjord Breeders
This message is from: "Kristen L. Andersen" Seeing as the list has been so quiet, I though I would ask for help on a little project I have been working on. :-) I recently moved up to the SW Washington/Portland OR area and I am interested in getting to know the breeders in the PNW and becoming more hands on involved with the community as I save my pennies for my future Fjord. If anyone is close by me and needs a volunteer let me know, I am always happy to help and learn! Since I am a visual person I put together a Google map of where the breeders are so I could get an idea of how far away from me they might be. As I was working on this I realized it might be helpful for other folks as well and I would be happy to share and expand it beyond the PNW if anyone is interested. If you could take a peek and let me know if there is anyone not on here that should be that would be wonderful! http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=111395969346383375140.0004753aff47eed3f1dba&ll=46.483265,-118.256836&spn=9.442007,19.731445&z=6 Thanks so much, -Kristen Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Henry Fjord
This message is from: "Kristen L. Andersen" Heather & Anthony, I am so deeply sorry for your loss. -Kristen On Jul 27, 2010, at 3:30 PM, Heather Baskey wrote: This message is from: Heather Baskey He taught me Trust, he taught me unconditional LOVE, he taught me Respect, Rapport, Patience, Timing, Feel, how to be Savvy. Henry was the great Teacher that any human would ever have the priviledge of having. Henry taught Anthony how to love horses and what wonderful spirits they are. Henry has been at OVC since Sunday and we all had hope. But this afternoon, we received the call. He was down and he could not get up. They would sling him and he would just dangle (all legs not working). We rushed to the hospital and saw him for one last time. We told him how much we loved him, how much he taught us, how much he was a part of our family, how much I will miss this dear old friend. Henry Fjord made my "black stallion" dream come true. It was more cruel than kind to keep on going and so Anthony & I let go of one of the kindest, bravest hearts on this earth plane. Rest in Peace dear friend - you touched many, many lives. Heather & Anthony Missing dearly, our friend Henry Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Responses to starting under saddle
This message is from: "Kristen L. Andersen" Hi Kathleen, I can empathize, I waited to start my gelding until after he turned five (he had some leg trouble that he needed extra time to mature out of) and boy am I thankful for the extra emotional maturity he gained in that time. Made the whole experience much easier and more enjoyable! A great resource for horse training videos is a site called www.giddyupflix.com It is like Netflix for horses, I have been a member for about six months now and love it. Enjoy your time with your girls! -Kristen On Jun 3, 2010, at 4:12 AM, Kathleen Prince wrote: This message is from: Kathleen Prince I want to thank everyone who replied with such thoughtful responses to my question. You all agree I need to wait and let my girl mature physically and mentally. My gut had been telling me that but I felt a bit of pressure from outside sources. Since I'm so new in the horse world it's sometimes easy to be confused by what those with much more experience say. The idea of teaching her to drive is excellent! My new farrier had actually suggested that to me the last time they were trimmed. She was also recommending to teach my mare to drive, as well as, the baby. I will admit I need to be more consistent doing the ground work with the baby. It's easy to get caught up in doing the chores around the barn and letting the training slip - it's hot here in FL! You all have given me new hope to actually be serious with training my mare. She's at least 10 and has never been trained to ride or drive, as far as we know. She was a broodmare. She and I have a very strong bond and respect so I think starting her may just be the ticket. My trainer has said she doesn't think Cass is going to be safe to train but I think differently. Everyone wants to concentrate on the baby because she has no "baggage" and she seems so good because she is a fjord. But, in the time I've had my mare I've had to teach her to be haltered & lead, stand to be groomed, pick up her feet (that was huge!), be fly sprayed, etc. She and I have a very good start and you've let me see her age shouldn't be held against her. I attended a Clinton Anderson seminar a few weeks ago and got my eyes opened quite a bit on the issues of safety and babying our horses too much. I've been trying to win some of his DVD's on ebay but no luck, yet. Can anyone recommend a driving instructor in the Orlando, FL area? I think there is someone nearby but I don't know who. Thank you all again :-) -- Kathleen Prince kathl...@pookiebros.com Pookie Bros. Pet Sitting Professional Pet Care In Your Home! http://www.pookiebros.com Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: dressage saddles
This message is from: "Kristen L. Andersen" I have the Sensation Hybrid and love it! It is a great fit for round backed horses and I have never felt more comfortable, connected and balanced. -Kristen on Catalina Island On Jul 14, 2009, at 7:40 PM, Cherie Mascis wrote: This message is from: "Cherie Mascis" Debby, Sensation makes a treeless dressage saddle for about $1,000 that fits most fjords nicely. They have a more casual trail version and a formal one. Super comfy! They have demos you can try. Since I trail ride, I use the Hybrid model. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: gone beyond the grazing muzzle
This message is from: "Kristen L. Andersen" Watching Pete Ramey's DVDs on natural hoof care has completely changed how I think of the hoof, It is amazing what he has done with horses who would otherwise be though of as a lost cause! Have hope, there are some wonderful natural hoofcare practitioners out there helping horses who have the same problem as your girl. Pete's site is: http://www.hoofrehab.com/ The trimmer I use was trained by Pete and has made a world of difference with my boy's feet. Where are you located? I can ask my guy if he has any recommendations for resources in your area. Cheers, -Kristen On May 7, 2009, at 6:36 PM, Beth Pulsifer wrote: This message is from: "Beth Pulsifer" The note from Jen frame is interesting... I looked up the renegade boots... They really look good to me. I'd love to get some for Liz to prevent any problems..(Cavella) I have some boots for her that I use as I don't put shoes on her. They work okay but are cumbersome and hard to put on with my arthritic hands. Wonder if the guy she mentioned could help if your vets would be willing to talk and share information. Sometimess that's touchy between vets.. and the extent of damage already done may make a difference too. - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 2:51 PM Subject: gone beyond the grazing muzzle This message is from: brass-ring-f...@juno.com Just wanted to know if anyone out there has had experience with a horse with laminitis that overnight turned into a "sinker." That's the founder that does not rotate but sinks straight down, sometimes the bone pierces the sole, though not in this case, yet. The vet/farrier was out here for 2 hours this morning. Handy to have him in the practice. She did not require sedating, though the older vet did that on Monday to do the xrays. This guy put on a custom made bar shoe on her left foot to support it, then made a bar hospital shoe for the right, with play-do and silicone in it. It has a metal plate that removes from the bottom to look at the sole without taking the whole shoe off, and you can also add medicines in there. That would be if her bone penetrates the sole. Both my regular farrier and both vets say if that happens I might as well give up, and they seem to think it is inevitable. Sad. At least this way I can enjoy her now and if it comes to that I will have had time to prepare (whatever that means). It is just so hard to see this big hulking horse with gleaming summer coat and bright eyes and beautiful tail to the floor and all that is wrong with her is one stupid foot. She is not in a lot of pain, at least it is controlled with the bute and banamine, she moves around her sand paddock and wonders why she can't graze. Valerie and poor Sydney Columbia, CT Click here for the best streaming video solutions on the web! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTE3AqIsJBnqxDKOIvHnUe5DH61UEmsjMBthLS7CszaJlcxuE6oDAU/ Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f 05:57:00 Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2008 #56
This message is from: "L Hesse" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi, guys, I am sorry to say that I must find a home for my 20 year old non-registered Fjord mare. (she is branded, but I do not have her papers) She is has been with me for 7 years, but due to my own health reasons, I must find her a new forever home. Sally is typical Fjord, sweet and gentle, no vices, loves everything four legged or two. She did therapeutic for seven years, but is no longer suitable. She is a one-on-one horse and really bonds to one person. She goes English or Western, great in the ring, but can be a bit strong on trails. I am on Vancouver Island. If anyone knows someone who is looking for an awesome trail horse for light (good for two hours per day/ 3 - 4 times a week) riding or a great companion horse who doesn't get herd-bound, please let me know. All her tack and rugs will come with her as I am no longer able to ride. My email is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks very much, Laura The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
neck riding
This message is from: "L Hesse" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Good to know that I'm not the only one who seems to enjoy neck riding now and then. It's actually quite nice when it's cold, warms you up from the neck down. Laura and Sally :) Vancouver Island, BC The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
One sided
This message is from: "L Hesse" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I used to have the same problem with my mare. Sally had been used for vaulting for many years and is quite uneven in gate and physiology from too much lunging. It took a year of solid ground work, bending and suppling, including ground driving, to bring her back to balance and encourage her to work the stiff side. At first, she could not physically pick up a right lead, now she does both. She will never be a ballerina because she isn't built for it - she is a very, very drafty fjord, but she is much better. Most of her imbalance now is due to age and a wee bit of laziness. Work, afterall, is a four letter word. :) Laura and Sally [EMAIL PROTECTED] The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2007 #230
This message is from: "L Hesse" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Just wanted to wish all the Canadians on the list :) a very Happy Thanksgiving. May you and your ponies get stuffed. My Sally's chowing down on a half dozen apples tonight with her hot mash. She's a happy pumpkin indeed. All the best from blustery Vancouver Island. Laura and Sally [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.RunningLProductions.com The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2007 #221
This message is from: "L Hesse" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Does anyone have a Western brand saddle that they would recommend for a very broad-backed Fjord with no wither? Laura The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2007 #70
This message is from: "L Hesse" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> RE: Trailering in Canada I've been reading the digest with interest. Anyone hauling anything, from RV to horse trailers, needs to check with highways in the individual provinces. In BC, you cannot haul a two horse trailer with anything but a 3/4 ton and over. I've seen many a tourist pulled over with a big trailer behind or an over-size camper. Too many accidents here. I hear Ontario and many eastern provinces are doing the same. I believe Alberta, Saskatchewan and Manitoba still allow half-tons. Laura Hesse www.runningLproductions.com The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2007 #55
This message is from: "L Hesse" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I have to thank you guys on the list. I find I look forward to all the discussions and updates from all over. I hope to get out to some more shows in the US in 2008 and am looking forward to meeting alot of "fjord" folks. My mare, Sally, is the sweetest (albiet funniest) horse I've ever owned. She is a real member of the family. I had a cowboy from Alberta up on her a couple of months ago trying out my treeless saddle as his mother wanted one. He is 6'3" roper/reiner champion (won't give any names) ..and it was quite hilarious. He's used to big, flashy champion Quarter Horses, not my little 1200 lb, 13.2 hh, brick, with a Mohawk. Sally took it all in stride and kept giving him "the look" as only a Fjord can do. He laughed so hard he just about fell off her. He said he'd be talking about Sally for years to come and I believe it :) Cheers from Vancouver Island. Laura Hesse and Sally www.runningLproductions.com The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2007 #46
This message is from: "L Hesse" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Re: Treeless saddles I can highly recommend a Torsion. I ride in the trail saddle, not their Endurance model. I used to ride strictly Western. I have very bad osteo-arthritis in the hips and pelvis, which is why I ride a Fjord. Go to www.torsion-canada.ca and Wendy or Heidi can give you more information on the Torsions. The Torsion seat is much like a dressage seat, deep and conforming to both horse and rider. It is full contact and takes some time for both the horse and rider to get used to. Heidi advise that during the first couple of weeks, you keep your riding time to 30 - 45 minutes and up it from there. I find I can ride in the Torsion now for 3 hours with no discomfort to either my old Fjord, Sally, who is 20 something with mild arthritis in the shoulders, or myself, and I am near 50. I consider myself to be a mildly handi-capped rider and the treeless helps me free up my pelvis more quickly which in turn provides less stress on my mounts back. Hope this helps, Laura Hesse and Sally www.runninglproductions.com The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2007 #36
This message is from: "L Hesse" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Wondering if anyone can help me with my mare's brand. Sally (registered name of Liesel) was a rescue horse. Her papers have long been lost and she is not micro-chipped. She does have a brand on her shoulder which looks like a a running A with a semi-circle underneath it. We believe she is from Alberta or Saskatchewan originally. We also thinks she is between 18 and 20 years old. Does this ring any bells for anyone? Laura Hesse www.runningLproductions.com The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2007 #35
This message is from: "L Hesse" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi, folks, Just wanted to introduce myself...new to the list. My name's Laura Hesse, my Fjord's name is Sally (aka Liesel). We're from Vancouver Island. My old girl is 18 - 20 yr old and the light of my life. I call her Dr Sal the Norwegian Horse Psychologist. Would bet your folks know what I mean :) Just wanted to say that I ride in a lot of wet weather and like high boots and poncho. I find a lot of slickers drip down the front of the saddle and that a poncho will cover both the pommel and cantle. I ride in a Torsion treeless saddle as my girl is 13.3 and 1200 lbs. She loves the rain and mountains and the poncho keeps us both drier. It just took some groundwork to get her used to it. Nice meeting you folks, Laura and Sally www.runningLproductions.com The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
2005 La Crosse Evaluation information
This message is from: "Syverson-Kerr, Linda L. DOC" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> This message is from Linda Syverson Kerr: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Group: Just an update on the La Crosse Evaluation packets. I just finished putting the last of the stamps on and put them in the mailbox. " They are in the mail." If you do not receive a packet by 5-30-05 and would like one please email me ASAP, no later then 6-3-05, as I will be out of state from 6-6-05 and not returning until 6-27-05. You can email me at the above my work or at my home at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The preliminary forms are due back to Mike May 6-20-05, w/ the 50.00 non refundable fee. Linda Syverson Kerr
Re: Merry Christmas again
This message is from: "Glen L. Porter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Gunnar and Kim: Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you. Pat and Glen - Original Message - From: "Kim Gigson rogstad" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2003 7:30 PM Subject: Re: Merry Christmas again > This message is from: Kim Gigson rogstad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Hello to the list > We here at tall pines farm would like to wish everybody out there on the list > a very merry christmas and a good new year. > This is coming a little late but just got the new computer up and running so > had to send best wishes out and try and get threw a months worth of e-mail. > Good luck to everybody > Gunnar & Kim Rogstad
Re: Haakon and BDF Donder
This message is from: "Glen L. Porter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi: Very nice site. Glad to hear that Haakon and Donder are on their way home. Pat - Original Message - From: "Pat Wolfe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Fjord Digest" Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 10:09 PM Subject: Haakon and BDF Donder > This message is from: Pat Wolfe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Haakon and BDF Donder are on their way home from the Waverly sale. With > any luck they will arrive at the farm Sunday evening. > If you would like to have a look at them check my new web site at, > www.patwolfefjords.com.
Re: Prayers for our soldiers
This message is from: "Glen L. Porter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello Nancy: Our thoughts and prayers are with you , Michael and all of the soldiers and their families. Pat and Glen - Original Message - From: "Nancy Hotovy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2003 9:49 PM Subject: Prayers for our soldiers > This message is from: "Nancy Hotovy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Hello - > > Many of you who have been to Blue Earth from 1988 - 1999 might remember our > son Michael who always loved all of our fjords (and every other animal that > ever wondered on our farm). He has been in Kuwait since New Years Eve and > serves in the Air Force. I want all of you who have loved ones over there to > know that I also pray for them. They are on my mind 24 hours a day. My barn > is my favorite place to be right now as I await the foals to be born - - - > it's such a peaceful place. > > God Bless America, we are so fortunate to have freedom. > > Nancy Hotovy > www.upperforty.com
Re: "prayers for the soldiers"
This message is from: "Glen L. Porter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Debby: Our thoughts and prayers are with you. Pat and Glen - Original Message - From: "Debby Stai" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 6:14 PM Subject: "prayers for the soldiers" > This message is from: "Debby Stai" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Keep my husband and his fellow soldiers in your hearts and prayers tonight and > everynight until them come home to us safe and sound. And prayers to the > Iraqi people and hope for freedom and democracy and a better life for men, > women, and children. Thanks. Debby
Transport Needed
This message is from: "Glen L. Porter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> We have used Bailey's and highly recommend them. Their professionalism in dealing with their clients, the care the horses receive during transit and the communication re time of delivery is excellent. Pat and Glen
intro
This message is from: "Edward L Sullivan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello everyone this is Ann from ToadSong Farm, new to your list and new to Fjords. Though I'm planning to "lurk," I'm following the welcome message's suggestion of introducing myself and our "farm." We keep horses, children, dogs, cats, and chickens on a small acreage in south central CT. We have two wonderful Fjord mares and a lovely (though invisible to visitors from Antigonish County!) Arabian mare. The horses are all terrific children's mounts and of course the Fjords drive marvelously! Both came from Carol and Arthur Rivoire at Beaver Dam Farm, who have been patient instructors and are now dear friends! We have had our 7-year-old Myrstein daughter, Riena, for exactly one year, and just this past November we took delivery of Maryke, known and loved by all friends and past guests of BDF. Our plan is to breed both mares in a year or two, but for now are going to learn as much as we can at home, the Fjord shows, and evaluations -- Ed and I had a wonderful weekend auditing the one at SUNY Morrisville this fall -- what a great opportunity to learn, everybody should go, JMO. All the Fjord people we have met have been great -- welcoming and so helpful. Just one more thing to love about the breed. I've been reading the last 40 or 50 messages, and want to thank all of you who post for sharing your insights. Hmm, will I really be able to just lurk and not chime in?... Ann
BAILEY
This message is from: "Glen L. Porter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello Everyone: Glen and I would like to announce that the Fjord/cross filly, one of The Threesome that were rescued in December due to the efforts of Lynda and UEF, will be coming home to us in Crown Point, NY, next week. Glen and I wanted to adopt one and when we looked at the pictures, she was the one who captured our hearts. We made application and were approved. We have named her Bailey to honor Lynda. We operate a Therapeutic Horseback Riding, Driving and Grooming Center for individuals from preschool to adult with developmental disabilities and when Bailey has settled in, she will be joining Shooting Star, Sundag (aka Sunny), Morning Star and the rest of our special horses who work with our Clients. Glen and Pat Porter
Re: Merry Christmas
This message is from: "Glen L. Porter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thank You Mike; Pat and Glen - Original Message - From: "Mike May" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2002 2:32 PM Subject: Merry Christmas > This message is from: Mike May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > May not load on first attempt, try refresh it that happens > > > May all of you have a BLESSED CHRISTMAS and a JOYFUL 2003! > > Celebrate by clicking on this web-site: > > http://holidays.blastcomm.com/ > > Merry Christmas
Re: Missing Messages
This message is from: "Glen L. Porter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Steve: We had alot of e-mail coming through that was unwanted and we contacted our local ISP. We had the option of getting a spam filter which we denied. Probably a good thing, we just delete what we do not want. Have a very Merry Christmas Pat and Glen - Original Message - From: "Steve McIlree" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "FjordHorse List" Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2002 1:46 PM Subject: Missing Messages > This message is from: Steve McIlree <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Several people have mentioned on the list and writing to me > privately that they haven't received some messages or copies of the > List Digest. I can only say that I am sorry, the mail was sent out, > and the problem lies somewhere between the List server and their > computer. Most likely, the problem is their own Internet Service > Provider's (ISPs) efforts to protect them from spam. Estimates of > the amount of spam moving over the net are around 40 percent. Up to > 30 percent of labor costs at many ISPs are being spent on creating > spam filters and answering customer service calls regarding spam. > There is a problem with some of the nationwide ISPs, ie. AOL, MSN, > Hotmail, and Yahoo with overzealous spam filters. Sometimes your > mail makes it to you and sometimes not. They do not return it to me, > and seldom notify the intended recipient. They just trash the mail. > As spam becomes a bigger problem on the Internet, I'm afraid this > problem will become greater with these big impersonal ISPs trying to > provide a one-size-fits-all solution. All I can tell you, is that > the Digests and messages are going out and I'm getting no indication > of any valid reason for them being undeliverable. You could check > with your ISP, but it would probably be a waste of time. I can only > suggest that people may want to move their Internet access from the > big guys where they are one among millions to a local ISP where > they might have some chance of individual attention to their > problems. If you really want to look at a specific recent message > check the archives at "http://www.escribe.com/pets/fjordhorse/";. The > username is "fjordhorse" and the password "fjords_rule". Sorry I can > provide no more help, but it is beyond my control. > > -- > Steve McIlree > Owner/Administrator FjordHorse List
Driving Board
This message is from: "Glen L. Porter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi: If someone has the instructions to make a driving/reining board would you please send them to me privately. We have a therapeutic riding, driving and grooming center and the board would be a big help for some of our clients. Thank you Pat and Glen
Re: founder
This message is from: "Glen L. Porter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Jean: I also had problems giving bute until I started using the powdered form. I would mix it with warm molasses and then put it in a bran mash or small amount of grain and feed before I did the regular feeding. Pat - Original Message - From: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2002 6:08 PM Subject: Re: founder > This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Janet having just been through a three month period of not knowing if > founder or trim was to blame I can understand your dilemma. Mine turned out > to be a very bad and short trim and then bruising to the sole. > > Re the coffin bone, I was also concerned about this but I think a "light" > case is more a warning than a problem for the coffin bone. > > The newest trend seems to be to excursive the horse but they do not seem to > have enough proof that is the best way. > > I gave bute twice a day in fairly large quantities and no problems occurred, > except my patience and bruises from administering to a huge horse who can > put his nose almost ten feet in the air!! Good luck Jean > > > > > Jean Walters Gayle > [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" > Occupied Germany 1946 To 1949 ] > http://users.techline.com/jgayle > Send $20 > Three Horses Press > PO Box 104 > Montesano, WA 98563
Re:
This message is from: "Glen L. Porter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Jean: Is it the crumb rubber that you are interested in or the washed screened gravel or both?. We use the crumb rubber with a base of washed screeded gravel. It works great. One disadvantage with crumb rubber is horses like to nibble it if given the chance. Pat - Original Message - From: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "fjord" Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 7:28 PM > This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Darn, I did it again. Will you please give me the name of the company that > makes the screening for arenas?? Ugh, I often keep the delete button > down too long and clean out the messages I want to save.Jean > > > > > > Jean Walters Gayle > [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" > Occupied Germany 1946 To 1949 ] > http://users.techline.com/jgayle > Send $20 > Three Horses Press > PO Box 104 > Montesano, WA 98563
Re:NY Show, VT Show & Moving
This message is from: "SUSAN L GIARGIARI" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello Listers! Way to go Dave McWethy! You girls with the 4 IN Hand are having way too much fun!! Maybe some day we can do a 4 IN Hand Stick Drill team at Libby Peg...I have the pictures and will hold them for randsome...you know what I am talking about...LOL..!!! It was great to see some of you in NY! And in VT! The NY Show was lots of fun and is definitely on our list of shows for every year! The VT Show was also a great time! Thanks to everyone who helped! Without Deb Stevens and Joanne Goble, there would have been no show!! The dinner/auction was fun(I hope Marcy & Susan will always be there to do it!!) , with the exception that I had to say a few words for the NFHR! Hope I didn't say too many "ums" . In all seriousness, please consider if you would like to run for the Board of Directors. It is a wonderful bunch of fjord fjolks(LOL) and a way to give back to the breed! Don't be intimidated! If I can do itso can you! You can nominate yourself, hint , hint, to the lovely little JR Champion from the NY Show! Put in your nomination, we would love to have a young teen learn all about the importance of the Registry and how we all work together. The common interest being the love of the Fjord Horse! If you all can believe this or not..we have our closing date for August 17. Yep.I packed my first box yesterday...sheetsI have all the boxes stacked in the kitchen and livingroom and Dick has put sides on a big flatbed and backed it up to the livingroom door, below the attic windowtime to throw away what I haven't needed in the last 23 years...unless of course it has to do with childhood memories!! Sue S... so glad to hear how good you are doing!! We were worried about you ! Glad your little guy is doing so well also! I would like to ask for you all to have good thoughts for me as we go thru the next few weeks with the move and having a medical diagnosis done. I experienced numbness in my toes on the ride to VT on Thursday and as the weekend progressed, my left side of my body became numb. Felt like it was asleep. I know I looked funny dragging my leg in the arena! Man! Was that sand deep!!! By Sunday nite, the right leg felt the same also. Having fallen down the stairs in February and my hip still bothering me, I had hoped that it would have to do with that. I had an MRI today on my lower back and brain. There are abnormalities in the brain that are consistent with MS. Some of my health history is also consistent. I see a neurologist on Monday or Tuesday and will do more testing, but my Doctor was very concerned and knew that I was and called as soon as they read the MRI. I do have a very good outlook and know that there are all different levels of this disease, and have a great faith in God, that he won't dish out anymore than I can handle!!:-) Maybe it will be something else, but the Dr. was pretty sure. You all are such an inspiring group of people that I wanted to share this personal journey with you and receive the strength that you give to the members in times when they need it. I need it right now. I understand what Sue S. means when she says that she goes back to read some of the letters written by us to her. Isn't it amazing how we have all been connected by this little brown dun pony! I have never met such a warm, caring group of folks! I know to take it one day at a time, having learned from Richard's illness and will continue to do so. Thanks for letting me ramble on! Sue g.
Charlie
This message is from: "SUSAN L GIARGIARI" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello Jean! So sorry to hear about Charlie. We have been dealing with a pony that has chronic founder. And she got trimmed to short a few months ago. We had to wait it out and use the bute to let her be pain free. What we do is soak her feet 3 times a day, cold/hot/cold. This is done for 10 minutes with each type of water. Then she is walked for 10 to 15 minutes each time after. The bute keeps her pain free for the walk. The soaking and walking inspires the blood flow to the feet. This pony is only 13 and had about 5 bouts with founder. Two real bad, including the first one. This last bout the bute didn't help, but part of it was that the owner was giving it crushed in the grain which had always worked. Now it didn't. She was refusing the grain. She never gets grain, only when she is buted and it is a half cup at that. Soaked with molasses! Once I figured that she wasn't get the whole amount we then mashed the bute and put it in hot water and drew it into a 12 cc syringe. Down the shute and the whole dose it given. Much better results. The vet made a soft mold around her excellent frog. Her sole is not dropped. She doesn't react to hoof pressure, her walls though were just a little to long and because of the seedy toe and how the foundered toe is at the moment, the pain from that was too much. THe vet also made a plastic wrap around to hold on the frog pad. The plastic had to come off as she was worse with that on, but the molds, wwrapped in sticky bandage, work great. She walks around with out feeling the pain in her feet. The bute is helping and she is now, after 4 to 5 days much better. She is the sweetest pony you would ever want and has a goat friend/companion Hadley! A mini who grew to big! Sarah was put on some Ace(one injection and then we followed up with liquid dose in the mouth by syringe. She also got some banamine for those 5 days and then she is now on a manageable bute dose which will be lowered as she can stand it. I thought that for the frog pad you could maybe buy a bunch of silly putty and get the same results. or better yet get some modeling clay. it won't harden. Eventually, Sarah will have an eggbar or upside down shoe put on but her feet are so small and her wall is not the healtheist that we may try the glue on foal shoes that I picked up at the farrier supply place. Me and the neighbor who has her do the trimming. Only we weren't the ones who trimmed her too short, took off too much wall so she was on her sole. Ouch!!! Now her wall is much better but we need to even it with the sole. She was xrayed again last spring when she had another episode and her coffins are very rotated, but she doesn't react to the pain when she is taped on the bottom of the soles or crimped by the hoof testers. As far as getting some calories into Charlie, you can feed him corn or vegetable oil . It should not make him loose. It is 4000 calories a day if you give him two cups of oil. I had Hilmar on that diet for EPSM , even though he doesn't have it. If he was used to the alfalfa, that isn't the cause of the founder. You should still be able to feed him that. Just get him used to it slowly. It may take a month for him to like his grain with the oil but just be patient. Start with only a quarter of a cup at each feeding, mixed in his grain. Then increase it. If he is manageable for you to dose him with a sixty cc syringe. give it to him that way until he eats it in his grain. After you push the syringe if he is a smarty pants and won't swallow, just tip the syringe up into the roof of his mouth, he will go ouch! and then oops! He swallowed!! Hope this info may give you some ideas to go on. When Sarah had this last episode, we thought it was her shoulder. Then it finally showed in her stance on both feet. But her feet didn't get hot and didn't have a pulse. Go figure!! I guess it is like PMS. You just never know and have to go by the symptoms sometimes! Good luck! Sue g.
Re:Lost Horses & Moving
This message is from: "SUSAN L GIARGIARI" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Denise! That is wonderful that your friend has her horses back! What a relief! Thanks for keeping us posted about them. The idea about the bell is wonderful! And, yes, it probably would be a good idea to get them used to wearing the bell at home in the corral first! Sue! (Desert Storm) Start looking for your farm! It is such a gift to look out back and see the fjords enjoying life to the fullest, heads buried deep in the hay pile or growing grass! We have been seriously looking now for about 3 months now and now have found what we hope to be our new home! Sorry to disappoint you all, but the one with the Saratoga fencing/ Nelson Waterers just has way to high of a tax bill, when they finally estimated it out for us. Can't afford to pay $400 a month for taxes! Yikes! Think of all the tack I could be buying!! Have had some nice dialog privately with Jean Ernest about her Millionaire comment and had some good chuckles! Nope! We wish! Just inheritance, which brings sadness, also, but gives you a new outlook and direction in life sometimes. We found a For Sale By Owner in Northfield, MA with 24 rolling acres and nice meadow and tillable land. Barn with 10 stalls, has water! :-) , brook, 800 ft road frontage, two car garage, and run in shed. Fences were all falling down wooden, so her handy man took it all down and it is piled up neatly to burn! Her husband died 10 years ago and they bred and raced Standardbreds. She is thrilled to have the farm be continued. Even turned down a developer! The house is a very well kept split level with lots of rooms and glassed in porches! Light , light , light! Even in the winter! Jean in AK, you'll have to come visit! We are working with her on the finances and should know by the 30 of this month on the last inspection for our house/buyer. The nice thing about it is that it is right between Dick's childhood friend and my dearest friends, Ceacy & Nancie!! Hard to talk me out of that! We will see what happens and keep the faith! Sue g. in NH soon to be in MA!! I hope!!
Re: Lost Horses
This message is from: "SUSAN L GIARGIARI" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello Listers! Now, you all may think I am crazy, but...what about getting a recording of a horse left alone in a paddock, while you take the others out. Would be great if it was a recording of a stable mate of the lost ones. Also, were the lost ones a stallion? Get a stallion to be calling, You could tease one and get him to call out. I always thought that this would maybe draw a lost horse into an area. You could play it on a CB/Audio system. Someone with good loud speakers! Just a thought! I bet that they didn't go too far. Good luck! Sue g.
Re: Fun things to do with your 1-3 year olds!
This message is from: "SUSAN L GIARGIARI" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello Listers! First of all, welcome to the world of Fjords! to all the newcomers to the list! Great to see so many newcomers! Lisa! That was a great list you posted to Pat Wilson! How about coming up with this list in an article that you could email Sally Webber at the Herald, to be printed in a future edition?!! She is always looking for new material and articles are always welcome from the members! Pictures can be sent with the article also! There is no charge to send in an article and get it printed. It is free!! Just a thought, it would be a wonderful thing for members to see and realize that there is so much stuff that can be done with the youngsters! The new foal with the long legs most likely hasn't figured it out! It is hard for them with those daddy long legs!! Funny to watch, too! Let us know when she figures it out!! Thank you, Joel, for showing us all the things that you can do with your youngsters, if you work them with mom and dad! It is a good learning experience for these youngsters. They are dead broke to stand by the time all this is done!! They know the commands too! Piece of cake when it comes to starting them on their own, when they are old enough, of course!! Going to make an offer on a farm in Newfane, VT tomorrow. House built in the 1990's, four stall garage, workshop, race track and fields/paddocks all done with Saratoga fencing. A shed in every field for shelter and nelson waterers to beat!! Also, a 135 Acres with 1000 taps tubed into a Sugar House, just need to reset the taps for next year. Wood is all cut and stacked and ready to burn! Keep your fingers crossed for us! We need a place that is all set so Dick won't attempt to do more than he should!! He loves the place in NY that needs to have the trees removed on 48 Acres of meadows. Plenty of grass already there, but no barn, no sheds, no garage, just a cute house and a beautiful waterfall/stream on the property. He's willing to make the offer on the one in Newfane!! If it is meant to be, it will be!! Time will tell! I'll keep you all posted!!Enjoy the weather,,it is awesome!!! Sue g.
Re: Stallions & Herd Behavior
This message is from: "SUSAN L GIARGIARI" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello List! Just got back from Ceacy's and dropping off Dena and new filly to visit with Konggard! Tyra is there already and totally in love with Kong! She follows him around and nuzzles him, stands over him and licks his ears while he is trying to sleep! Ceacy said it is the first time she has seen any mare fawn so gently over him! He is so very patient with her, being a first time for the mare! It was funny when we let Kong and Tyra back in the paddock, once we put in Dena & filly! Kong went thundering over and filly gets right up in front of mom, to stay safe while big daddy checks her out! Tyra goes running over as if to say, What about me! Remember! ME Kong gives her a little uppity action from the hind end and she pouts off to the side! It is so interesting to watch the herd behavior. My mares all get to run with Hilmar when they are all bred. If one is in heat and I take her out to use her, he isn't to thrilled but he knows that "I am the Alpha!" No ifs about it!! The foals grow up with him. He is the babysitter when they are all weaned. This year Dena was the only mare I had that was bred , so her and Vimark, yearling gelding, got to winter with Hilmar. After the mares to be bred were in with Hilmar, he wanted nothing to do with Vimark. Don't worry though! I have a young grey filly his age for him to play with. She is spending the summer so she can have a herd situation to learn in and also play with other youngsters! Her mom, is visiting with Hilmar right now. I agree with you, Joel, that the stallions should be used also! If anyone remembers how naughty Hilmar was the first year we had him and took him to Libby, MT and how he was frantic to be with Sunday and little Ragnar! It was Ragnar who kept calling to him across the field, not Sunday! The folks were great and the first nite they let us keep Sunday, Ragnar and Hilmar in the big fenced arena for the whole nite. Ragnar was born in a field with Hilmar standing about 20 feet away watching! Hilmar did climb over a panel stall to get to a lovely young filly in heat, walking by. Even though he was going around her in circles, and the owner was frantically holding on to her, Dick was able to walk up to him and get a hold of his halter, and he walked away with Dick to the pen. We made the panels two high! Then some very lovely Perchereon mares came into spend the night in the round pen next to the stallions! Needless to say this did not make the man a happy man! Too big for him Never! He finally did settle down and I did do a Hazard Class, but didn't take him into a cart class as he wanted to be with Sunday! When they did the Farm Hitch Class, him and Sunday were driven as a team together, pulling some piece of machinery and he was a perfect gentleman. When the class was over, I told Dick to wait for me to unharness Hilmar and let me walk away first. He forgot and took off walking with Sunday! Not! I had to go over and ask him to please stop and let me walk away first. Hilmar walked away with me and went into his stall. It is a phsycology game with their minds and you are so right Joel, that it can take alot to handle a stallion. I will be honest and say that I had Hilmar go to a trainer/friend who would work with him on a consistent basis while she had him. She did and he got special mention at the VT Show for being one of the most fit horses the judge had seen in awhile! I needed to work with my mares and young stock and it is a full time job for me to stay involved and on top of Anthony's schooling and special needs! Hilmar pulls logs with other horses, geldings, he is hitched to do work with the mares, taken to an indoor to work and he has matured alot and learned alot, and we have learned with him. I trail ride him with others and he will be a good boy. I will say that Vick's in the nose really does help!! When I remember it! I guess no matter what, you always have to remember that "a horse, is a horse, is a horse, and a stallion is a stallion, is a stallion! This advice was given to me when I took a Harness Racing Course at Foxboro Raceway in MA. I have never forgotten it. When people say things like, My horse never does that! Or , My horse would never do that! I ask them if they have special powers that let them know that! VBG! Sorry to go on so long! Just love to talk about behaviors and herd stuff. I could sit out in the pasture and watch all day long! What an education! Nice and misty all day today in NH! Sue g.
Re: Bridles Slipping & Evaluation of Geldingsf
This message is from: "SUSAN L GIARGIARI" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello List! Finally getting some misting here in NH and hoping it will turn to rain later! On the slipping of bridles, I have had that happen with biothane bridles. Hilmar learned that he could give a little shake with his head and off it would come. He is a good boy and would just look back at me when I said Whoa, and I would get out and put it back on. I did use some hay twine to hold it on. He has a very large mane area where the bridle path is and even when shaved to the skin, it still sticks up. The biothane is stiff and doesn't work real well. A softer leather bridle on a different harness, works much nicer! Joel! your comments : "There's a reason they are gelded, folks. If you want them evaluated , it's your nickel. Would definitely help the breeder but the breeder probably knows why they are gelded too. " If every gelding had such conformation or behavior problems that they SHOULD be gelded, what does that say about the mare and stallion who produced them? I want all of our colt offspring to be evaluated! Not just because I may want to keep it as a stallion, but because I want to see what my stallion or mare is producing. Even the folks who breed to my stallion, I will educate to why an evaluation would be important. And yes, it does help the individual breeder, but more importantly, it helps the breed in America as well. I do not want to see the Fjord breed become like the Morgan breed or the Quarter horse breed. Or like many other breeds of animals that get changed so much from their original being to what "we" wanted them to be. Yes, we do have the power in America to do what ever we want. We also have the responsibility to protect the Norwegian FJord. I feel very honored to have this wonderful breed of horse in our lives. Every colt that is born is not stallion quality, but that does not mean that he is a "horrible" conformation mess. We had one outstanding colt born that we thought would be stallion quality, he was shown across the states and different judges also thought so. So we sold him as a stallion prospect. He was kept by us for a year, went to the new owner, went to a trainer at two, was ridden , driven, worked and then wondered why he bit the trainer and his brain was fried? I told her to bring him home and let him be a baby, in the field. She did. He definitely had the presence of a stallion and the stallion ,the owner already had, is one who is well behaved at all times. Another stallion she has is also a breeding stallion, different breed and he is a peach to handle. The young fjord was let to field breed first and became quite a handful. The owner had him gelded. That is ok. She realized she could not handle this horse. He should have been hand bred first to learn what was expected of him, and I only say this with this particular horse, as he already let everyone know he was "the man"! The owner saw the sire of this horse act out at a show, which he has done all over, but now , this same sire, now that he has come of age and training and experiences, is pasture breeding, very politely, hand breeding, very politely, got a 9's for temperment and behavior, babysits the weanlings, and knows what is acceptable and what is not. Each horse does have it's own circumstances and this particular stallion had a horrendous life, no horse contact with other horses, even though he was loved by a disabled owner. Some day I will tell his story, but, What I want to get across here is that no one should assume that every colt born should be a stallion and should be sold as such. That is such a disservice to the Norwegian Fjord horse breed. Not every filly can be a good brood mare either! The colts are the ones who get the "bad rap" for being gelded, as if there is something wrong with them. If a stallion can't produce wonderful geldings, he shouldn't maybe be a stallion. The young stallion I told you about is now a most wonderful gelding with a new owner who loves him dearly! This breeder did what she needed to do for her situation and has a new fjord owner who is thrilled! Every single colt that is born here, we will geld. Unless we get something like the first one. We haven't seen the "presence" in another colt since. And when you see it, you will know what I mean! Now, we do have a beautiful little filly with the "presence"! She was born last Saturday, when I was on the trip to PA. Dick was present for the birth and all went well. Dena had a Konggard filly! We are keeping this little girl to add to the broodmare herd. We will have her evaluated! This will let us know what her faults are and what we should be looking for in a Stallion down the road for her. This is what I feel needs to be done as a responsible breeder. And just sos you all know.we ain't rich!! LOL But i
Re: Carla is sold!
This message is from: "SUSAN L GIARGIARI" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello Listers! Carla was sold this morning! She is going back to Carole Rivoire and Anne is thrilled! She was so worried about making sure she got a good home! Mid June she will head back to Canada, kind of like she has been on a long vacation!! Carole, you can store all that wonderful tack and equipment at my house if you want! LOL! :-) Dena is getting quite bagged up and nearing her time! We are hoping for a Konggard filly, that we will keep and add to the brood mare herd. Doing a tally of the birth dates and ages for the coggins tests, WOW! I can't believe that Stella is almost 14! We have had her for 10 years! Dena will be 18 and Rosita is 20! Stella is bred to Hilmar, last month, and Rosita, also. Dena will go back to Konggard. We are going to look at some farms in VT next Tuesday, one of which is 20A, more field available at a later date, has an indoor and out door ring, dressage size! Maybe I will be come a DQ. Of course a Dairy Queen would be more my style! It has 13 rubber matted stalls in a climate controlled barn and a huge heated tack room. The house is fairly new and needs no work! All of the land is fenced with nice wood fences. 5 big paddock/fields and one huge one that includes some woods. Just our kind of place. All set to just move in! Dick is looking at having to have surgery done on his neck discs, should have been done back in '94 but he'd had enough surgery done by that time. The pain is where it isn't manageable, without alot of meds. Him and meds don't mix! Kind of gives him a "bad attitude"! The plan is that he won't get the operation done until fall, when we hope to be settled into a new farm by then. Enjoy all the good weather and those of you with rain.please send it our way!!!Sue g.
Awesome Mare for Sale!
This message is from: "SUSAN L GIARGIARI" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello Listers! I am writing to list a mare for a dear friend, Anne Sullivan. She is selling her lovely mare, Carla, after a very hard decision and to do with health problems. Carla can do it all and the equipment alone is worth $5000 brand new. The equipment is kept like brand new. The Bill Marong Harness is in excellent condition! It was specially made to fit Carla! We all know Fjords can live a very long time, and this mare is very well kept and will be a wonderful addition or first horse for a child or an adult! Here is the ad that Anne wrote up for me to place and you can contact her directly. She will be going to Ireland shortly, so she will reply to all who inquire and then Carla can be seen after she gets back! Sue g. ***Due to owner's deteriorating health, Carla is for sale. She is an imported Fjord Horse, 19 years old, healthy, and has always been sound for me. She rides and drives; will go anywhere, do anything for you. Has taught beginner drivers at Beaver Dam Farm in Nova Scotia; performed at Equine Affaire; been in a CDE (won dressage); goes on carriage drives; trail rides alone and in company. Has been admired by her teachers, Holly Pulsifer, Natasha Grigg, Deirdre Pirie and Dave McWethy, as well as by Carol Rivoire and Dick and Sue Giargiari from the Fjord world. Sweet and petite, she is a very special lady! Hard to fit, Carla comes with all her top of the line custom-made and fitted equipment: Bill Morong harness, Rick Fallon road cart, Crosby Olympia Sofride all purpose saddle, bridles, bits, pads, blankets, clippers, halters, etc. all in almost-new condition. Carla is universally regarded as "the kind of horse you hear about but hardly ever find for sale." This is a complete package, ready to enjoy right away. $8000.00 firm to approved home. Can be seen after June 8th in southern New Hampshire. Anne Sullivan, 603-924-4036. Email - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Evaluations & Geldings! Important!!
This message is from: "SUSAN L GIARGIARI" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello Listers! Education is what we are trying to get out to the membership, about the Evaluation System. It is VERY important to get geldings evaluated, just as important as the stallions and the mares. The geldings are half of what any mare or stallion produce. The Evaluation System in Europe is based on, in the end, what each Stallion produces. A Stallion can loose his license to breed if his offspring don't get the points, awards, and such in the Conformation, and also the Performance. A countries breeding program is only as good as what it is producing! It is very important for all the breeders to educate and encourage the folks they sell geldings to about the evaluation system. If a stallion or a mare consistently produces fillies or colts/geldings that are not awarded prizes, such as A, B, C for the Dutch. In the American System, if it score below a 50 for Conformation, there is no ribbon awarded. There would be a few serious faults that would have to be present for a horse to get no ribbon. If this were to happen, then it is recommended that the animal not be bred. But, this being America, no one can make anyone follow that recommendation. As more and more Fjord Breeders and Buyers educate themselves and learn about the Evaluation and how it will keep the Fjords in America "top quality", the ones who choose to ignore it, will eventually, even it it's years down the road, not be able to sell a horse for that "top" dollar that some of us get. It takes a lot of commitment, and money, but not all at once on the money part! If the offspring don't do well in any breed of animal, the breeder should reconsider whether to keep breeding that animal. The Evaluations are not a Horse Show. It is the horse being judged against the Standard. It is hard work, but also a fun time! The Evaluators are people who have judged lots of the Fjord Shows, so lots of you already know some of them. The Clinics for education and showing folks how to get their horses evaluated have been awesome! A good learning experience for all! You get to meet other fjord folks and make lasting friendships! The bottom line here is "yes"!! Geldings do need to be evaluated!! We want to see them at the evaluations! There is something being talked about and set up as a special award for geldings that get evaluated, to help encourage gelding owners. They are one of a breeders most special customer! I haven't had a fjord "customer" yet, who hasn't turned into a wonderful friend! Sue! Glad to hear your little guy is doing good! Please update when you can! and above all, get some sleep!! Sue g.
Re: Orphan Foal
This message is from: "SUSAN L GIARGIARI" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello Sue, I am so sorry for the loss of Katrina. What a blessing to have had the vet right there to do a C section and get the foal out. It doesn't stop the pain, but certainly will keep your mind occupied, working to keep the foal going! I love the name Ari that Deb suggested. Another one that we used was Tobyn, which means "Gift from God". That is what we named the first raffle foal that Marsha Korose won. Saskia was 25 when she conceived Tobyn, and we didn't know she was bred until the following spring when I had her checked to see where she was in her ovulation. The previous spring, we had breed her thru 3 heats, had the vet check her, and then decided to try one more time with an iodine infusion, to clean up her uterus. We never did breed her again, after the infusion. The vet was adamant that we must have bred her after this, but we didn't. I told him that I could see Hilmar getting out to go to the other barn/pasture to breed her, but I really couldn't picture him jumping back into his own pasture, with the other mares! I panicked thinking the iodine would have hurt the foal, maybe come out orange! But , she had Tobyn, at the age of 26. He is the foal you see in the Equitana USA tape being ground driven in the center of the arena with mom, Saskia, as all the big wagons care en around the outside! He truly was a gift from God! This weekend I went with Ceacy to a Keuring for any breed, just an evaluation where the Dutch judge went over your horse, gave good and not so good info, in hand, and ridden or lunged and also at liberty. On the way home we were talking about my mare Dena and when she is due, having a Konggard foal, and how nice it would be to have a filly. Her first filly from Kong, was the first one to die of the botulism, a few years back, when Ceacy lost 5 horses. We both started to cry and it is a loss still so deeply felt. After I left her place and drove home, I literally sobbed all the way, for an hour and a half, till I got home. For the first time I was able to really cry about losing Sunday and her foal last Mother's Day. I had not let go at all, just a little, because Richard was so devastated by the loss. I am so thankful that you have all the wonderful friends who have rallied to help. It is amazing how they just come and do what has to be done. I will keep praying for your little guy and it sure sounds as if he has got an excellent start! If you get a big milk goat, I used to use one for orphan lambs. I would let the goat eat a little grain while the lambs were put to the milk bar. If you put the goat in a stand and just keep raising the stand up higher, as the foal grows, he will have no problem! Goats milk is great for any young animal or human. I forget what it is, the pasteurizing or homogenizing that is already done, so it is very easy to digest. I would check to see what maybe should be added to make it so the colt isn't stunted. Their gut won't really digest the grain and hay until usually 3 to 4 months old, even though they readily eat it! Feel free to jump in Steve White! if I have stated any incorrect info! Contact one of the big University's such as Tuft's or Cornell to see how often and for how long the feedings can eventually be done. I wonder if a foal could use a cold milk bar, once it is going really well. That is cold milk, on ice, that he could suck on freely, and because it is cold, they won't suck down too much, just sip all day long. We used that feeding system with lambs. Not sure if it has ever been tried with a foal. Good luck, Sue! You are in our thoughts and prayers! Sue g.
Re: Luna
This message is from: "SUSAN L GIARGIARI" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello Joanna, David and kids, You are all in our hearts and prayers. That is such a tragic loss of a wonderful mare. Time will help ease some of the pain, but it truly never goes away. We lost Sunday and her foal almost one year ago now, and talking to a fellow 4-H Leader about her mare ,who is about to foal and Dena, who is due on May 5, I burst into tears and it took me by surprise. I wasn't prepared for the grief I felt. I think in my mind I know she is gone, and when I am outside, she isn't there, but in reality, I don't accept it. Even after a year. Saskia was lost a week before Sunday, but at least she had a glorious life! When they are so young, it is very hard to accept. Take it one day at a time and thank you for being able to share with the list. Sue .g
Re: F& M , Record Book & Herald
This message is from: "SUSAN L GIARGIARI" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello Listers! Sue g. here in snowy Peterborough, NH! Up to 4 inches predicted tonite!! The kids are already in school one half hour early and late to make up for the snow days and get out at or near the same date. Waaah! I don't have my Herald or Record Books yet..I am getting impatientnot sure how much longer I can hold on to my patience!! LOL Am back home from farm sitting at Ceacy's and my wonderful two weeks of paid quiet and silence. It was truly golden and a wonderful gift. When Ceacy and Nancie got back it was quite interesting to hear how for air travel they were asked questions and had to walk on special mats, but for the trains from Holland to Paris and from Paris to Spain, there was absolutely no questions and no mats or anything at all. They were on farms in Holland and left with no problem to take the trains to Paris. That to me is unbelievable. Why the transportation by train isn't being monitored blows my mind. They said is was so sad to be there and see on the news about some of the farmers in Holland, committing suicide, loosing their herds was just too over whelming. That part did put a damper on their trip. When in Holland, the riding schools were pretty much on hold as people weren't welcome to be traipsing all over and the horses had to be kept on property. They couldn't go on trail rides off the farm property. Hurts alot of business there. Congratulations to all the newest foals!! Dena is due on May 5 so we have started our watch! Only one foal this year! Can't wait! I love the babies!! Hope everyone had a good holiday! We will be making a trip to PA, near Lancaster to visit a relative of Anthony's and will be bringing a trailer to bring Rodejka back to RI for the summer vacation. If anyone needs a horse trucked anywhere in that direction, we will be going the weekend of May 12.email me privately at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sue g.
Foal Congratulations
This message is from: "l" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> John and Eunice, Congratulations on your foal! Catherine Lassesen
Rubber coated shoes
This message is from: "l" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Gail - There are two makers of the rubber coated shoes. They are both from Europe but are imported by two companies in the USA. 1. Mustad imports an Aluminum shoe with a rubber coating. (It is made in Switzerland I think.) Mustad is a farrier supply company. They also produce "Right Balance" which is a supplement for hoof nutritional product. 4-6 cookies a day gives your fjord all the good Biotin, Zinc Methionine and Vitamin E. (contact Mustad at 1-888-869-1804 for your nearest supply house. ) For the cookies... I can get those for you...if you are interested in them... 2. The other shoe is made in Germany and I am trying to find the suppliers name... I will have to go to the web site and get back to you on this one. Hope this information helps. Catherine Lassesen Hestehaven - Home of Blaamann (I tried to spell his name the last time with the Norwegian "a" with the "o" on top and it came out "e" . Sorry for the confusion.)
H&M & Travel
This message is from: "l" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello - I just crossed the Canadian Boarder with a stallion and the vet at Sumas said... If you go to a farm in a country that has a case of H&M reported... When you come home you should stay away from your livestock (all livestock) for "6 weeks". Norway does not have a case reported at this time. Bring plastic bags to seal the shoes and clothes in that you wear on the farms or near livestock. Or wash prior to coming home. The Ag control people may still require you to "dip" your shoes once back anyway so ... I like the "throw away" the shoes idea the best... Catherine Lassesen
Expo in Albany, OR this weekend
This message is from: "l" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello... For those of you in the Greater North West area. The Equine Expo is this weekend in Albany, OREGON. Blemann will be there. We will be presenting him to the public under harness. He has been working hard for 30 days... As long as the mares don't flirt too much I think he will be able to concentrate and do what is required of him. He reminds me of his Papa... SVEN (McCarthy's), when he is pulling a cart. Come visit Blemann at our booth and get a FREE bumper sticker... Catherine Lassesen
Re: Dentist and Flu
This message is from: "SUSAN L GIARGIARI" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Karen! My dentist does use the speculum! I just left out that part. The head holding isn't hard for Bob, dentist, just for me if I had to do it! :-) Bob has been our dentist for about 4 years now and comes twice a year. He has done quite a few wolfe teeth, never with any type of sedation. They just stand there and put up with what ever is asked of them, no fuss. I think you are right about it maybe being tied into the endorphines being released or something. Our vet here has said the same thing about it being the changes in the weather here right now. It is freezing cold one day and in the 40's the next. Windy and then still. Crazy weather! I have posted rules out in the grain shed for feeding. The well horses get done totally at first, then Hilmar & Dena(she is bred so she can be with him now), and then the sick bay! Look at noses, don't touch. Check water tubs for snots. Don't switch water buckets with the sick horses. They each keep their own. I am the only one who can clean noses, do the temps and shots if needed! The younger one, Vimark is the one who is having the hardest time. Peg!!! you have just got to break down and give that little goatey a kiss! Poor thing! Let's take a voteShould Peg kiss the goat? Yes or No...lol Errand time! Sue g.
Re: Dentistry & Branding
This message is from: "SUSAN L GIARGIARI" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello Listers! Jean! I hope Gunnar is doing better today! I totally agree with you about we need a zipper put in the side so we can open them up when needed and see what the heck is going on! Please let us know how he is doing! We have a local (MA) man who comes up twice a year and have a "phone tree" in that a bunch of us are contacted and set up with date and approximate time of arrival. He stays for a few days in the area. He strictly does horses teeth, no drugs. He will play with the youngsters just to get them used to having it done. No charge! At 3, he will pull the wolfe teeth. When he did Rodejka, we had just her in a stall, no halter and he used a screw driver looking thing ( maybe it was a chisel?) and a rubber mallet thing. He put in the driver, gave it a tap, and then needed to go back for one more tap. She stood and let him do this. Then he did the other side. Mouth gets rinsed out with a syringe real good, sockets and such. and that is that. I have had him do a couple of other's wolfe teeth. They just stand and let him go back in to do it again and to do the other one. I think that some times the drugs or sedatives are more for the people and what they think the horses must feel rather than that the horses really need them. One woman we had sold a fjord to spent quite a bit of money getting his wolfe teeth pulled. Had to have the vet come and sedate and then the dentist was there at the same time. I wonder if it is just the fjords who really don't seem to freak out about this. He would have stood just fine. It was her who was a nervous wreck! I know what is meant by the women having a harder time doing the dentistry. I think it is the upper body strength. Just holding the arms up to do it for an extended period of time is what kills me. I have learned to trim youngsters feet from Dick, and I just don't have the strength in my arms to hold the rasp and do an older horse. It would take me all day! :-) I remember the first Dutch Keuring we attended and they still did the br anding. A friend we brought was horrified that this was going to happen. The iron was heated up, the horse was clipped where the brand was going and just holding the lead rope, standing out in the open, my mares stood and jumped just alittle when the iron was placed on. Then immediately the brand is rubbed with the hand. If it was such a traumatic experience, why did the horse stand and let them go to the otherside and do the same thing? Didn't try to pull away, didn't bolt and run, just jumped alittle, like being scared and saying, "what was that?". It really was quite interesting. Now the microchips are used so there isn't any branding anymore. Has anyone else on the list had this experience with some of the warmbloods? Not sure if they just microchip now also. Got to go out and do temps and shots! Have a flu-like virus going thru the herd. High temp, depressed, snots and a cough in some, alittle off feed(hard for those fjords to resist even when they don't feel good!). Only one had it, then another showed signs 3 weeks later and now a month later, one more and one from the other barn! I think that was from the humans. We had a change in stall arrangements the last bout of storms and the two that were then put together in a big box stall, one came down with it. No one else has signs. Enjoying the sun and high temps in NH today! Melting lots of snow..Sue g.
Re: Equitana USA 1998
This message is from: "SUSAN L GIARGIARI" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Listers! This is Sue g. and thank you, Marcy!, for the corrections! Just one was still wrong! That was me, with the 4 foot long arms, ground driving Saskia and Tobyn! The first raffle foal that Marsha Korose won! Tobyn was quite the little show man and Saskia was 25 years old! She went galloping over the Rainbow Bridge last May! It was quite a feat for me to have to run behind "bulldozer" Saskia!! and keep up with the wagons and carriages! Standing in the dark, on the ramp down to the arena, was a very different type of situation. I had the Budweiser or some big Belgian hitch standing there behind me! in the dark, trusting them not to stampede and run us over!! I chose to go to the center of the arena and do figure 8's so I wouldn't get run over! The last nite I did it, I thought I would die! The crowd loved the horses so much that they decided to go around one more time Thought I would drop dead! I think it was Lindsay who waited outside the ramp where you go up to leave and I just handed her the reins to take Saskia & Tobyn back to the barns! Then I got to go in and watch the rest of the show! We all took turns! I got to tell you, seeing the Friesian Thor?(can't think of his name!) doing his dressage thing was enough to make your heart stop! If I could, I would sneak a Friesian into my barn! Got to go do a barn check!Some of the snow really started to melt today! Sue g.
Re: Pictures!
This message is from: "Glen L. Porter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The foals are beautiful. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 5:48 PM Subject: Pictures! > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Hello everyone, > > We updated our site with our first batch of pictures today. Please come and > see BNF Jera and BNF Gebo! Also, we would love any feedback on how our site > now looks. > > Thanks! > > Lynda and Daniel > Bailey's Norwegian Fjord Horse Farm > White Cloud, MI > 231.689.9902 > http://hometown.aol.com/heithingi/BaileysNorwegianFjords.html
Re: Fertility and LFG
This message is from: "SUSAN L GIARGIARI" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello Listers! Just had to jump in and add another woman vote to the LFG. When we first got Hilmar and were going to advertise for breeding, after he received his Blue in Conformation in the American Evaluation System, we took him to Tuft's University to do a Repro Exam. They check everything. Measure his testicles. Cultures before and after to check for growth of pathogenic organisms. Got graded on his libido and mounting behavoir. Took one sample and waited an hour to do a second sample. His conception rate was 60% or more to a book of 46 mares or 120 mares by AI. He also got the highest ever total sperm per ml. 22 billion. A morgan stallion had the next at 16 billion per ml. They put the semen in equitainers as if it was being shipped and tell you how it was after 24 hours and even 72 hours. I would not ever advertise for shipping AI or pay $100 for the Shipping Permit with the NFHR if I didn't know this ahead of time. And it is very important to make sure that the mare owner's vet knows how to AI. You can talk to them and ask questions so that you, the stallion owner will know what the degree of knowledge is on the other end. I believe in a LFG. Asking $1000 for stud fee and not guanteeing a foal from this is ridiculous. What Stallion wouldn't jump at the chance to breed the mount again! :-) The Lab Fee I charge is for the season only. Even if it takes a couple of tries. If the mare doesn't take then they will have to pay for the Lab Fee the next year. We ship the semen thru Tuft's University where everything is documented by their vets. This way the Mare owner knows that everything on our end is being done right also. They keep a sample to double check at the lab of the same stuff that gets shipped to the mare owner. We learned the hard way about the LFG when we assumed that a friend who's stallion we used thru some horse trading(hahaha) would have a LFG. Wasn't until we lost the foal and he mentioned that it was too bad. We had two more breedings to use, but didn't. When he asked us why we had the mare bred somewhere else, or why we hadn't called to bring her, we said that it was too much to loose. He realized that he lost business. So, needless to say, we now have a LFG with him. Didn't exchange a contract with him. Oppsss! It is a learning process all around. Misha! So glad that you out did that nasty old badger Lisa P., I hope your dinner came out OK!! Ha Ha Ha! Bye for now! Sue g.
Arena Floor
This message is from: "Glen L. Porter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> We purchased the crumb rubber from Perma-Flex in New Jersey. Our arena is 70 x 150 - 10,360 sq. ft. We needed 11.5 tons (23,000 lbs.) . The price per ton was $235.00. This was delivered in bulk. We used a back hoe to bring it into the arena and rakes to spread it. The estimated coverage is 1" depth. The crumb rubber came with a fifty year warranty, is environmentally safe, virtually dust free, will not freeze in the winter. The steel is removed. We have a base of washed screened gravel (cm-33). We do not have a problem of the crumb rubber being dusty, it is the base that gets dusty. Glen found the best maintenance was to hose first and then smooth out with the chain link. This footing is excellent for the horses and for us. We have a therapeutic horseback riding, driving and grooming center . The webb site for Perma-Flex is www.perma-flex 1.com Pat
Re: Arena floor
This message is from: "Glen L. Porter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> We use crumb rubber in our indoor arena. It does not get dusty but the dirt underneath does. We hand hose and it takes care of the dust problem. Glen uses a piece of chain link to smooth the arena floor and the rubber comes back to the top. We are reallly pleased with it. Pat - Original Message - From: "carol j makosky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 4:35 PM Subject: Re: Arena floor > This message is from: carol j makosky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Hi, > Try this number: 1-800-845-9558. Her name is Barbara Bramwell and she is in > Stillwater, OK I have not had any experience with this, but my friends swear > by it when they were in the horse business. It won't eat your building, like > salt does. > > Sanders wrote: > > > This message is from: "Sanders" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > I was at an arena today that had some interesting stuff mixed with the soft > > dirt on the floor. It appeared to be a combination of drier lint and > > shredded foam(ish) carpet padding. And looked sorta like blown in > > insulation. It was great stuff though. No dust at all!!! I can't ask the > > owners, they moved to a warmer climate and the realtor didn't have a clue. > > Anyone know what it is? > > Teresa Sanders > > (Jennie's mom - but soon to be my own person!) > > Sandpoint, ID > > > > P.S. Age 41 and I like it so well I may just do it again next year. > > -- > "Built FJORD tough" > Carol M. > On Golden Pond > Northern Wisconsin > > > > >
Re:Evaluations
This message is from: "SUSAN L GIARGIARI" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello Listers! This hasn't come out in the BOD Minutes yet, but it is ok to speak about, the BOD of the NFHR approved $9000 for the Record Book to be published, even if the presales don't get up to $3500 (then the NFHR would chip in the other $3500). The price went up to $9000 so that the Blue Earth Eval in 2000 could be added in the first printing. This was a unanimous decision by the BOD! Yeah! The presales as of the BOD Call tonite have brought in $3150!! We had almost reached our goal anyways! But this way, the extra money is covered by the BOD's vote. This vote was taken at the Chicago, IL meeting. To answer the question about why some of the members want their horses evaluated by the Europeans, as long as the NFHR has ok'd them to do a Keuring over here, then the results have to be published in the Dutch or Norwegian Stud Books. The horses that were all just done with the Dutch Keuring, if the folks paid the fees, are being or have been entered into the Dutch Stud Book. The Dutch premiums recieved are also going to be put into the NFHR Registration Certificates. This is what the BOD voted on. Before Bob V Bon came over here to do the Keuring, he contacted the NFHR to make sure is was acceptable. My stallion, LLA Hilmar is an American-born Dutch Stallion. Any of the offspring or horses evaluated here, goes to help the ratings of their parents still in Holland. As of yet, I don't think any of the Norwegian Evalutions ever got put into the Nor. Stud Book. Hilmar was imported inutero. His sire is still in Holland. I own his Dam. She is a First Premium mare, evaluted and imported by Carol of BDF as a 3 year old and sold before she foaled. We got her and Hilmar from the folks she sold her to. Some day I will write about Hilmar and Dena and their story. It is quite a journey for them! Before I ever bred my mares (2 at the time) , we started educating ourselves about the fjord and conformation. At the time, there was no American system. When we bought Hilmar, there had been no European Evals here for quite awhile. So, we had Hilmar in the first Am. Eval here on the East Coast to learn about his good and bad points. I also put my mares, imported from Norway and one was Am Bred /Born, in the Am. Eval. It is for education, education, education! We need to learn, learn, learn. That is what the Evaluation is to us. An eduacation tool. It will also help to keep the Fjord pure. That is what every member is dedicated to when they join the NFHR. I support both systems and can say that, because I have had horses evaluated by all, Norwegain, Dutch, and the American system. Yes, the Am. Eval is in it's infancy. The Evaluation Committee is working on, because of FHI (fjord horse international), having a foreign judge come and be an evaluator at the Libby, MT fjord show. All of the other countries have other evaluators come. Not just their own. It is important to all of these people to keep the fjord horse as the Norwegian Fjord Horse. I think some how it is thought that if we did foreign evaluations, that is demeans the Am. system. It doesn't and it shouldn't. The foreign evaluations are approved first by the NFHR. One is not better than the other. They are different, in performance. The intent for FHI is to have all the countries working with the same forms, some day! Our American Born fjord, out of a Norwegian imported mare, got her model mare status in the Dutch system. When I did have her evaluated in the Am. system, she got a red ribbon. Rightly so! She was not in any shape, had a 3 month foal on her, (hello Carol! this is Patrick!!) but I entered her to hear comments on the parts of her conformation that aren't affected by being out of shape! Her dam, got a red ribbon also. Man, was she out of shape, was asked if she was pregnant, Yep! Of course, she was only 4 months along! Certainly shouldn't have been showing as much as she was! It was a learning experience for us to see that we really had to have them in shape for their conformation judging part. Both mares did performance and got Blue in the Advanced draft and a Red in the driving. One advanced and one intro. Now, one would think that we were real rich!! Not hardly, but we enjoy the horses together and as a family, and I made the committment that if we were going to breed, I wanted to be sure about the quality of our mares. If we were going to be stallion owners, we certainly had better be educated. That is what the Evals are about. And it is a good time had by us as a family. We enjoy the traveling, the showing and the breeding. When I add up all the money spent, on the horses, they have paid for themselves with the foals produced and sold. We do all the work ourselves. If I am real lucky, I will buy a few new t shirts each year!! Dick, aaah, I let him get some new blue jeans as he lost a lot of weight wh
Re: eons and eons and eons, etc...............
This message is from: "Glen L. Porter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Pat 58 - Original Message - From: "Denise Delgado" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 11:54 PM Subject: eons and eons and eons, etc... > This message is from: "Denise Delgado" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > well, listers. this is what i have come up with so far..some of > the names do not have last names. i just took the names listed and have > reproduced them here. any of you out there who have neglected to add > on, feel free to do so. here goes > > caitlin-15 > anneli-34 > reena-36 > lori albrough-36 > jane in maine-38 > amy evers-40 > mark mcginley-41 > lisa-42 > suzan-43 > catherine lassesen-45? > linda hickman-46 > pat mccurty-47 > denise delgado-47 > micheal melbye-48 > linda in minn-51 > gail russel-53 > mike may-53 > betsy bister-54 > marty in md-54 > cynthia madden-54 > betsy in michigan-55 > gail vinson in n.m.-55 > julie will-56 > steve mcilree-57 > carol m, golden pond-57 > rondi tyler-60 > jean ernst-60 > carol tacey-60 > carol rivoire-60 > sue-60? > bernie kerns-60? > tony tacey-63 > fred pack-64 > mel goble-66 > tillie evers-67 > bud evers-71 > jean gayle-76 > > >
Re: New Horse Art Website
This message is from: "SUSAN L GIARGIARI" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Listers! I just received this note today and wanted to pass it on to all you fjord lovers! Of course, there is a little brag attached! Barbara Frake did a picture of my mare Stella 1 and Jim Burnham's gelding, Bjart. Jim had leased Stella a year before he bought his second fjord. He wanted to experience a team before he made the commitment to purchase a second fjord. Needless to say, he did purchase a second fjord and Stella came home in fine shape! Of course, he keeps trying to tell me that he should have Stella! In his wildest dreams...I keep telling him! Anyways, Barbara fjord picture was given an award and on display at the Kentucky Horse Park this past fall! Here is the note and a link to the website! She does awesome work and her fjord picture graces the new sweatshirts and t-shirts of the NFHA!Sue g. Hi - This is just a note to tell all of my acquaintances and friends in the horse world that I now have a website. I will be showing some of my artwork on the site, and the display will change fairly frequently. Four of my drawings have been exhibited with the American Academy of Equine Art at Kentucky Horse Park in the last three years. I'm hoping that you will pass the address along to anyone who might be interested in purchasing an original drawing or painting, or a print. I enjoy doing commissioned pieces, and a wide range of prices are possible, depending on content, scale, and medium. I accept credit cards, and gift certificates are available. Thanks! Barbara Frake (former manager of The Carriage Barn Equestrian Center) Frake fine art Here goes!. http://frakefineart.com * Jean! So glad that your Charlie is alright! Horses are amazing animals! Sue g.
Re:sad & age
This message is from: "SUSAN L GIARGIARI" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello Listers! Linda, so sorry to hear about your loss of Karin's foal. The coyotes here are packing big time and we put our 5 month old filly and 9 month old gelding in with our stallion, Hilmar at night. Great Pyreness keeps them at bay but just to be sure, they get put in the smaller paddock at night. Ceacy had a neighbor's cow attacked and killed by a pack. This was in Colrain, MA. I am in southern NH. That would be neat to have a profile page for the list members! Photos could be included! What if we just used a page in Photopoint. We would all have access to the album name and password to do edits. Is there a place on this to do writing? or just pictures with a title? Just a thought. Oh yeah, I will be 46 in 5 days! Yikes! Richard just turned 56 in December. Peg! We used to have a mare, Begian/Percheron, that would weave her leg down into the woven wire fence and then just wait there for us to come get her out. She was very trusting and knew that we would be along, sooner or later! Got to go get Anthony at the top of the hill! Don't ask!! Sue g.
Re: scrambling in the trailer
This message is from: "SUSAN L GIARGIARI" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello List! We have have one horse, Dena, who will scramble if she doesn't have enough room or is up against a wall. We trailer with a stock trailer, 3 compartments. If we put Dena in the middle one, and forget to put her in the middle of the 3 horses, we hear it as soon as the truck is in gear and starts to roll! Don't know why she does it, but when we put her in the same space, tied in the middle, she is fine. It is only against the door, which is about 6 inches of the ground, with the horses standing sideways in the trailer. Normally, we travel with the horses loose in the stock trailer, but if we are going to a show and need carts or a wagon, we use the middle compartment for the 3 mares. They fit fine. Have to be tied though. We have rubbermats on the floor and put some old bedding hay along the side where the poop and pee would be. Makes it easier to clean in between the big cleanings, where we drag out all the mats. The bed of this trailer is 24' long. Gooseneck space is 8'. We also have a side door for each compartment. All of our horses jump up into and out of the side doors. Even the foals learn to do it. It works great, especially when you pull in late from a show with the back loaded. We take out the front horse first, and then the gate can swing either way, it gets pushed to the front so the 3 can turn around and jump out, one at a time. They all, even the young ones learn to navigate the 4" or so lip that sticks up in the door opening from the floor. I would say to take out the middle divider. Even if you are hauling two horses, take it out. See if this helps. I think some horses feel more confident in traveling if they can spread their feet as far as they need to and aren't restricted by a wall on both sides. Enjoying the winter weather! Got to visit with Dave McWethy yesterday! Great lunch and talk! He promised not to tell Dick, but I got stuck with my truck in the snow and Dave pulled me out with his tractor! Dick doesn't read the list as a rule! He asks me what is up on it. Sue g.
Re:losses
This message is from: "SUSAN L GIARGIARI" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello Listers! I am so sorry to hear of the losses some of you have suffered recently. My heart goes out to you all. The loss will ease with time, but sometimes it just jumps right out at you, and you realize it did really happen. I just spent three very anguished days with some dear friends who had a fjord gelding, Keisar. His caretaker, the mom, found him last Wednesday AM soaking wet and shaking uncontrollably. He hadn't eaten his grain from the night before. We went over with blankets galore, vet was called, banamine given, thought to be colic, but then again, symptoms were hard to read. No gut sounds, had passed manure the night before, but wasn't passing any now. We got him all dried and warmed up, he would drink only cold water! Didn't want the warm!! He would lay in the upright position, get himself up, walk around abit, go back down. Very shaky first day as he got his strength back. He was checked and no twist felt. Tubed with mineral oil, lots of warm water. No temp at all thru this whole ordeal. Gums stayed good. The part about them being stoic is so true. He went thru a bad spell the next day, Vet came out again and urged us to try to keep him up and walking when able. He did have some gut sounds back. He would eat some warm bran mash with enticing carrot pieces and apple pieces. He took a long walk Thursday AM and pooped! We were so excited!! Something was moving!! Friday AM he took a turn and acted like it was pneumonia. Breathing was heavy, labored. Then this too passed and he would get up by himself, lay down after his walk and seem comfortable. Keisar has a history of Lyme disease and EPSM. He had been coming along fine for the last year and a half! Hanging around out in his pasture with his friendly companion sheep, Franchesca! She would lay down with him when he was down. We don't have but one horse vet in the area and the one treating Keisar, hadn't been practicing on horses for awhile. He mainly has done cats and dogs for the last 10 years. He thought the oil should have come thru in about 4 to 8 hours. I talked to other vets and got that it could take 24 to 48 hours for this to come thru. The owner, a young girl in college, came home on Friday to her horse dying, and she was in the worst part of her mononucleosis, and just got done doing finals. By Saturday nite she made the decision to end his suffering and let him cross over the bridge. Each family member said their good byes to him. It was done with great dignity and then the vet spent the next two hours sitting with this family and listening to them pour out their grief. It was no ones fault, the mother feels like she missed something. They had never experienced colic in the eight years that he was a part of their lives. It will be many days before the healing can begin, but for all of you who have suffered losses, know that they are free from their pain now and up romping and of course, eating! over the Rainbow Bridge! May the New Year coming bring good memories of all our dear fjord friends that we have lost! Sue g.
Re: Heavy Heart - long
This message is from: "Glen L Porter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Brenda: We went through basically the same thing on Dec. 13. Willy was fine on the 12th. at evening feeding. On the 13th. in the morning he was down in his stall. He also had a listless look in his eyes. We called the Vet and he came and gave him the same meds that your Vet gave. Thought it was colic and tubed-there was reflux. The Vet left and told us to check with him again at 2:30. Willy's heart rate was 84. There was no way that he could have made the trip to our equine hospital. There was no rolling but hanging his head almost to the floor, would stretch as if to urinate but didn't. Willy would stand rest one hind leg and then the other. At one point he stood up came to me and rested his head in my chest. ( I do believe he was telling me goodbye) I heard stomach sounds and he did pass gas. I went up to telephone the Vet as these seemed to be very good signs to me. I was gone no more than 8 minutes. When I got back to the barn Glen told me Willy was gone. My heart goes out to you for your loss. It hurts to lose our special friends and when it happens this sudden it is even harder to accept. Pat - Original Message - From: "Brenda Simonson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2000 11:24 AM Subject: Heavy Heart - long > This message is from: Brenda Simonson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Hello. My name is Brenda and I live in Sparta, WI, and have been a > lurker here for over a year now. I consider the members on this list to > be friends brought together by these wonderful Fjord Horses. Because of > this, I am turning to you all in a time of terrible grief with a message > to keep a close eye on your horses and to be in tune to their health. > > I very suddenly lost my gelding Burt tonight to (what the vet thinks) > colic. It was so sudden and puzzling that we still can't believe that > it happened this quick. He was fine this morning and was up to all of > his early morning tricks. He looked bright and healthy and devoured all > of his grain and trotted out happily to the hay bunk to get his hay. > Unfortunately it was Christmas and I went to visit some family. When I > got home, my brother called me to tell me that Burt was sick and he > thought it was some respiratory thing. (I want you all to know the > story in case you may be presented with the very same symptoms. There > is a lesson in everything - I am trying to sort this one out.) I called > the vet and he was out within 20 minutes of the call. (The vet was at > our place around 5:15pm.) > > I entered the barn to find my horse looking very dejected and listless. > He stood near a gate with his head hanging to the ground. His mouth was > hanging and he didn't want to pick his head up. He wasn't interested in > either grain or hay and had nasal discharge. His respirations were > rather heavy. The vet checked him over - his gums were purple/blue and > his eye membranes were blood red. The vet could not hear any gut sounds > and Burt was running a temp. His lungs sounded normal. He said he was > confused about how his symptoms had presented. There was no sign that > he had rolled, however, you could tell that he had discomfort because he > would shift his weight from hind foot to hind foot. My brother had > found him laying in the pasture when he hadn't come in for his nightly > feeding. Again there were no signs of rolling or anything of that > nature. > > The vet gave him banamine and penicillin for a potential infection - he > was still puzzled. He also tubed him through the nose and nothing came > out - which he thought was a good sign. While he was examining him, > Burt even passed some gas. > > After the vet left, we kept a close watch on him. We tried walking him, > but he wouldn't cooperate. We put him in a stall and all he wanted to > do was dunk his head into the water as far as it would go. He pawed a > bit with his front feet and occasionally stomped with his back. He > tried to urinate and only passed a small amount. At that point I called > the vet back and told him about the latest symptoms. He thought maybe a > urinary tract infection or calcification in his urinary tract. He said > to keep him posted and to let him know if it got to a point when he > couldn't urinate - he would have to try a catheter. Two hours later > (8pm) - and symptoms still seeming to get worse, he could pass no > urine. I called the vet back - he would be on his way. 10 minutes > later, Burt went down. What an awful sight. I thank God for my brother > and his wife. They were able to keep a watch on Burt while I slowly > lost my composure. I knew then in my heart that he was not going to > make
Re: Welcome
This message is from: "SUSAN L GIARGIARI" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Welcome Astrid! I have a brother to your Marius! I am going to check your picture out after I write this. I am very curious to check him out as the brother, LLA Hilmar, that I have is a Toddy son and also an Oswin Grandson! Hilmar's dam, Dena, is an Oswin daughter. What is the pedigree of your boy! My husband, Richard, had seen a picture of Toddy in the Dutch Book and said he wanted to breed our mare, Stella 1 to him someday. Little did we know that the two horses that we rescued, each 250 pounds under weight, one of them was a Toddy son! We found out after we had them for awhile, and vet checked. They were healthy, just needed groceries. Lots of loving, too, to get them back to herd behavior and trust that they could interact with other horses again. Dena was a basket case for the first two years, and now, she goes everywhere, does Kid's camp at Penfrydd Farm, has done Equitana USA and Equine Affaire. She can have her foal taken away so she can work for a few hours and knows that it is OK and doesn't flip out any more. She is awesome. Hilmar too, finally had his day in September when we participated in the Dutch Keuring held over here. He got a 3rd premium and an A in the Agriculture ABOP, a B in the Driving and a not so good D in the riding. He was supposed to be worked with in the riding, but it didn't get done. He did get 9's for tempermant and behavior in the tests! This was great for him, as alot of people think he is "crazy" , as we brought him out in public when he still had alot of behavior issues to do with being away from all horses and across the aisle from his mom, constantly coming into heat and not having any contact with another horse. We use him now to babysit the weanlings every year. Right now he has our weanling, Vimark, who is by Hilmar, out of Stella 1. If all the mares are bred, he can run with them for the winter. He is low man on the totem pole then! He has the most beautiful color and big, gorgeous eyes! He is a very dark, butterscotch. It is not just a dark brown. He also is the sweetest boy. He will never try to hurt anyone, even when he thinks he needs to maybe get to a mare in heat! He throws this temperment in his offspring, also. One of his daughters got a 1st Premium at the Keuring and a son got a B Premium. Another daughter got an A Premium. We were very pleased. Well, I am going to check out your pictures! Glad to have you aboard on the list! Sue g.
Re: Geldings Evaluated & Club Feet
This message is from: "SUSAN L GIARGIARI" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello Again List! Hi Peg! I hope you didn't think I was a pickin' on ya! I should have put a huge smiley after my message to you but I forgot! :-) ;-) Hi Lisa P.!Yep, Dave McWethy is going to drive a Fjord 4 In Hand at the Equine Affaire! Dave, you'll probably see it here first, but you will be in Fantasia on Friday and Saturday Nites in the Driven Hitch section. Dave drives his horses, Signe and Mari as the Leaders(is that right Dave?) and our Stella and Dena are the Wheelers. I just went to a practice for the 6 young girls doing a small drill/jumping demo, within the Breed Demo on Friday @ 11:45 in the Mallory Arena. Stella, Dena, and Bjorg will also be in the Breed Demo as a 3 Abreast pulling a forecart and a piece of farm machinery. Maybe a plow. The Colli's of Blue Heron farm will be driving Mogan and Vidar to a 4 wheel vehicle and Kurt Howard will be driving his wonderful sleigh on wheels with "The Goose". I will be ground driving Rosita with 2 month old Valentinja along side. Rosita will be pulling a sapling travois with a load of hay. Anthony will either be on the travois or in the forecart with Dad. We all have Barbara Howard to thank for all the wonderful Norwegian Bunads she has made and embroidered for the girls and guys. Oh yeah, Dave, hope you don't mind dressing Norwegian! Don't worry, you will have your favorite girl Krystal Howard perched in her new Bunad beside you and Kurt and Dick will be dressed up Norwegian Style right behind you in your vehicle Hey Peg! You sparked a new thought : Maybe anyone evaluating Geldings can be entered into a new awards program, for all phases, highest points and get a special award for it, tied into the Evaluation. This could be down the road alittle. But, most people who love to show, love trophies and prizes. After all, he who dies with the most ribbons and trophies wins! He with the biggest collection of fjords wins! (notice big smileys after this) ::-) ::-)(notice 4 eyes- means that Sue g. now has reading glasses because she c an't hardly see a thing! About the club feet, I think that you are right about being born with club feet or the genetics for it. Some don't appear until the age of two. I have always been interested in Conformation and Feet. We lived in OKC, OK in '85 & '86. I wanted to go to the Horseshoeing School there. We went to check it out and I guess when Dick saw all the Cowboys there, he didn't think I should learn to shoe horses!! Ha! Ha! Dick was my farrier. Dick and I meet when he picked up a hitchhiker, who knew this girl, that needed her horse shoed. I got the number from our mutual friend, he came over to see the horses and set a date to do them and came and shod them. I don't want to date myself, but back in those days it was $17 to shoe my horse. Wow! Then two weeks later, when I wasn't home, my mom told me that that shoer showed up as he had lost a pair of nippers!! He left his card. Hahahahaha! Lost a pair of nippers. Next time any of you see Dick, ask if he ever found that pair of nippers. I called him to tell him they weren't here and you all know "The Rest of The Story". Oh, I might as well throw in that we were married by our Vet, who happened to be a Justice of the Peace! Kind of romantic, huh? I bet you all thought Dick was a big ol' tuff guy! Nope, Big ol' marshmallow inside! Ok, I'll go now and get my butt to bed. Busy day tomorrow. Picking up a dear friend, who just lost a leg, to diabetes complications, in Hanover and taking him to get fitted for his new leg and start his therapy to learn how to use it! He came down to our house every day for almost 3 months to help feed the horses and do fire wood when Dick had his bypass surgery last year. Then to Boston with Anthony and an ADHD Study he is in at Mass General Hospital. We make weekly visits at least another month, and then down to monthly visits. As you can see, we lead a very busy life!! Very enriched, though, by all the wonderful folks we have meet through having our fjords! On that note I bid you all good nite and we got snow today!Sue g.
Re: National Show
This message is from: "SUSAN L GIARGIARI" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello List! Like what is being said about a National Show. You build it, and we certainly will come! No matter where it is. Dave McWethy, I am sure will come, and that would be one 4 In Hand! I think that once a place is picked, it should stay there, so it could be improved upon each year. What if we started out with having it every two years? That would maybe help it also. What if some of the Regional Shows just took place every two years so that they happened on the years that the National Show didn't. We could hold Evaluations on the year of the National Show at the different Regional places. Instead of trying to hold a show and an Evaluation at the same time. What an opportunity for the Evaluation judges and trainees to see a whole lot of fjords together at one time. The halter classes at the national show could be judged using the Fjord Standard. Not one at a time, but using the standard. Some of the judges do this anyways. Karen Cabic did at the NY show and Karen Maas did at the VT show. Just a thought! Now Peg! I have to explain something to you!!! Yes, you do need to get geldings evaluated. They are half of what our mares and Stallions are producing. What if a certain stallion produced mostly geldings compared to how many mares he produced. And all the mares were OK, just OK. If the geldings were not OK, no one would ever know. And that Stallion would keep right on breeding mediocre stock. A breeder needs to know the faults of all his offspring. If Erland only produced mostly colts, and the people never got them evaluated, you could never get his offspring awards or it would sure take a lot longer. The geldings and the folks who buy them from the breeders are the most important people to a breeder. They also become friends, as all who buy your stock usually do! We have wonderful relationships with most of the folks who have bought stock from us, they become life long friends. After all, they love fjords too! The geldings are a very important part of the Evaluation System. No, they can't reproduce, but they are the results of at least half of what you are producing. If you think of the Evaluation as a place to show your geldings, if you love to show anyways, it is alot of fun, and educational experience, kind of like a weekend of clinics. You learn your faults and some folks even learn what their farriers are doing wrong to their horses and how some faults can be corrected with the right trimming on the youngstock. Very important stuff! Here is a neat challenge to everyone on the list. Take a tape measure out to the barn. Measure the length of the foot from the coronary band to the end of the toe. See if the two front measurements are the same. Do the hind feet also. They should be equal to each other, not that the front should equal the back. Front and hind feet are shaped differently. Now, how high are the heels. Measure the front heels to each other, or even by eyeing them you can see if they are the same. Do the back feet also. Is your frog nice and big and having contact with the ground or does the farrier hack it off. It is a pump for blood circulation to the feet. If it doesn't hit the ground with each step, it doesn't pump. If the heels are too high, usually the feet are too steep. This can lead to a club foot. Club feet can be produced by improper trimming and shoeing. We have seen this. Are your horses feet left as large as they can be to carry the weight of the horse. As large as they can be, doesn't mean long in the toe. Some fjords just have smaller feet than they should. If the heels on these guys are left too long, the feet are tiny and steep. Steep in the front of the foot, meaning the angle of the pastern, which should match the angle of the foot, doesn't match. Should be an even line. Check this out on your horses feet. The front and back angles are different though. If you have an angle tool, check to see if the angles are the same in the two front feet. In the two back feet. If you don't have a tool, use two sticks or pencils. Put one along the bottom of the foot and one along the front plane. (from the tip of the toe to the coronary band). Keep them at the same angle and mark it down on a paper, the two lines. Now, do the other foot. Is the measurement from one end of the pencil to the other end (the open angle) the same for each front foot and the same for each back foot. If not, you need to have a talk with your farrier. Ok now! I will give it a rest! Good evening to you all! Sue g.
Re: 11.2 H Palomino Fjord
This message is from: "SUSAN L GIARGIARI" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello List! I would like to let you all know that I wrote to the person who had the classified ad in about the "strange" fjord and here is the reply I got back: ***Thankyou!! I put down what he had on his registration papers, which I just found out were fake!!! I also found out, from a person who used to own him, that he is a Fjord/Fallabella cross. Thankyou for not blowing your top on me, he is my first ever pony, and I didn't know the breed standards, or I wouldn't of put him as a pure Fjord or for 10,500!! Thanks again! Completely innocent and didn't have a clue what a fjord was! Very nice girl and who knows, maybe someday after she checks out the NFHR Website, which is what I encouraged her to do, she may call one of us to buy a fjord! Sue g.
Re: Competion
This message is from: "SUSAN L GIARGIARI" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hey Pat! Sure would love to see a cartoon of Sophie being blasted off of you by 5 Marines and a fire hose!! Richard has to resort to that when I see his checkbook on the kitchen table and he is across the room from it!! Last time he blasted me right out of the window!! American Evaluation in the Northeast in 2001. I am considering trying to get an Evaluation in the Northeast next year. Checking on the expense of a place in a week. We will be done with the Keuring by Sunday and then we go on to compete with the BIG BOYS!! We do quite a few Draft Horse Shows. There is even a group of fjords and owners that compete with the same big guys. They keep the measurements the same and we use the same equipment, wagons they use. We have the disadvantage of the pole being way too long! We have asked them to put in a pony class, but it hasn't happened. We only pay $5 to $10 per horse to enter and they pay us money for class placings, as well as Ribbons and Trophies!! Where else can you go and get paid money to have fun!! Have to go now. Up early to get to VT by 8! Oh yeah! I wrote personally to that person who kept posting to the list with repeats of previous posts. Told her how to get off the right way. The next day, dang, if there wasn't a copy of my letter sent back to me with no reply. Oh, well, I imagine if she is reading this, I'll find another posting of it in my email!! Maybe it is a kid who has no idea of what they are doing. Well, at least it was good for Carole, for her sales list!! LOL! On helmuts, until you have a brain injured person in your life, I imagine it is not easy for someone to comprehend the extent of what it does to a family. The whole family. You all are so right when you talk about the family left behind to either deal with the death or the permanent changes in their lives. Not to mention the financial devastation that could occur. Some of you saw the fall I took at the NY Fjord Show, I laid still, even though I knew I was OK. But man! We sure don't bounce like we used to. I also never learned an emergency dismount. I am learning now. I choose to push off instead of having no control when I fell, but landed on my butt, and then slammed my head, backwards into the ground. If I didn't have my helmut on, I can guarantee you that I would have had a serious injury. That was August 5 and at the end of August, I still hadn't gone riding yet. My chiropractor was ready to read me the riot act if I didn't stay off for awhile! I am being good!! Just stop and think of what you would be doing to your family, children and friends. Everyone should go visit a Brain Injury Rehab and check it out. Very awakening. I too grew up without a helmut. Never knew about them. Now I am a wife, mother and have the responsibility to be here to bug Richard for as long as possible!!! Bye for now!! Sue g.
Re:Loss & Fore lock leading
This message is from: "SUSAN L GIARGIARI" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello List! Gail, Richard and I are so sorry for your loss. It will take a little time for the loss to really sink in. I sat here reading the list and the poem that Fred and Lois sent was beautiful. The tears just came and I needed to let go. It's been 4 months since Saskia, Sunday and foal died and it still feels like yesterday. Miss Sunday so much. There is a big gap in the herd. There is also a new life in the herd and I can look out the window now and see Miss Rosita and new filly, born Thursday nite, sometime!! They are the loose ones on the farm now. I got Rosita from Ceacy and her and Konggard had played leap frog thru the dead electric fence! Would someone please tell Ceacy, that it can take after just one breeding?!! Ha! Ha! The vet calculated her date to be in October, so I wasn't even checking her udder every day. But, that's the way it should be with the birth!! No problem, easy, foal up and nursing by the time you get to see them! The filly had "let's get up to the barn from the very back, remote part of the pasture" lessons, within hours of her birth. It really was great for getting her bowels moving!! Afterbirth was all passed and gone. Now I know why Shiloh was howling all night and all the dogs were barking. They sat in the front yard, just barking all nite. At 6:30 AM we were all packed and ready to just put lunch in the cooler, feed the horses and load up Stella/Dena and foals to go to the Spencer Mass Fair. Richard loves to compete in the Farm Classes and the show was at 9. Got foal and mom all set, neighbor to foalsit, son Anthony (with 2 broken wrists playing "Michael Jordan Slam Dunk" off the bleachers to the hoop, second day of school!) and fixed flat tire on inside Dually! Wow! We were ready to go. Got there just in time as first class was finishing, they waited for us to harness up, foals were gentlemen, tied to the trailer, and Richard proceeded to win the Single Log Skid with Stella ( I won't say where I placed!) and then he won the Team Log Skid. Everyone wishes he hadn't made it!! Good bunch of folks! The Raffle for the Foal was wonderful. What a treat to actually have the winner be there! And what a shocked young woman! If we ever hold another Foal Raffle, and you have red hair, your chances are definitely better!! Marsha, who won Tobyn, and Heather, who just won Vincent (Vinny!) have red hair. Anthony, who drew the winning ticket also is a red head!!! It fills your heart to see the joy on the face of who wins the foal! It is the start of another wonderful friendship, as we all become relatives! Ha! Ha! I have to give Heather a daily update on Vinny's activities and Sue, her mom-in-law that bought the tickets!) is trying to convince Heather that Vinny should maybe spend some time at her house!! In a few years, we hope to see Vinny at the Fjord Show! Hey Marsha! Tobyn was forelock led when he was a youngun! We do it to all the horses. Even Hilmar. They really don't mind it. If they resist, I just give alittle growl, and put my other hand under the chin to encourage, then they say, OH, OK. I can usually lead the whole bunch of horses if I get Miss Alpha Stella and forelock lead her to where I want them. No need to go get a halter, just grab a forelock! Congratulations Carol and Arthur! Very jealous that we couldn't go to Holland for the festivities! I would love to have seen the different stallions out with their herds of mares and foals!! I can imagine how breathless it must have been to see all of those fjords and handlers together! I'll stop rambling on! Wanted to touch base! Read the List everyday. Aren't you all glad I don't write every day!! Sue g.
Re: NFHA Show Programs!!!
This message is from: "SUSAN L GIARGIARI" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The programs are in the mail as of the 5th of August and I got mine today! Just wanted to let you all know. The stalls this year are only $20 for members of GMHA! Wow! The price of stalls actually went down!! Yeah!! The Fingerlake Fjord Show was AWESOME! Hats of to all for a great show. Next year it will be 2 days and lots of fun! Camping was on the grounds, we did op for a motel room as I didn't want to trust the weather!! Just could not talk myself into setting up a tent or taking it down in the rain! The show grounds were great, stalls safe and of good size. Upper door(Heavy Fenced) to close if needed. Babies and Stallions will be discouraged from thinking they can pop out the door! I rode Rodejka in Walk, Trot and got the Championship. The Cross Rail Jumps were so funny. Everyone's horse did 3 refusals and Deka refused the first jump 2 times, Rider Error, and then I finally got the hang of it by the 5th jump. She stopped cold right in front of the 6th jump. Never took a step back and I said, Let's go, and over she went! So the judge gave it to us. I never jumped except in the practice ring and a little advice from Marsha! Now, Lori is to be congratulated for her performance in the Sit A Ten class! I rode Dena, with a snaffle, who had a foal in the barn, and thought I was going to be able to stay on!! Lori got the bucks! My Chiropractor was not happy with me! My Troxel did it's job and cushioned my head as it slammed to the ground! I was only alittle sore the next day. All in all it was a great show and we will be back next year! This will be the last announcement to buy tickets for the NFHA FOAL RAFFLE, to be drawn on August 27, after the show in Woodstock, VT is over. All the Awards and the Raffle will be done at the end. I have the Class list scanned into my Computer so if anyone wants a copy, Privately Email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I will send it to you via email. The Program should be to all of you this week sometime! We usually do our foals, Big Boy Haircuts, at about a couple of months old. I only do the Norwegian Cut (all one length) as you usually can't get the two layers with the soft hair. I have been guilty of letting manes flop and grow over, I don't know how many times, and after being roached off, they grow back just the same way they were before they flopped. I'm talking flopping with about 8 inches long! It looks cool but it doesn't lay flat! Kind of wild looking. What your mane is will be what your mane is, whether you let it grow too long or keep it cut. Have any of you noticed that when you get a good cut mane, with the black about 1/4 to 1/2 inch taller, about two weeks later, you can see the line in the white where it was two weeks ago. That line stays there for quite a few weeks. You can cut down to that line every two to three weeks and your cut will stay great. Of course, when you have about 10 horses, it can be quite a job doing this. I learned how to cut a mane and why it is cut the way it is by ordering Carole Rivoire's Mane tape. Most people think it is a perfect arch. But it isn't. The highest point of the curve should be about 4 inches ahead of the middle. The Middle is at the point between the Bridle Path and the whithers, where the mane stops growing. The white can be cut first on one side. Most people have a good side they can cut from, depending on whether they are left or right handed. Then, when the white is right, you cut the the rest of the mane the 1/4 or 1/2 above the white. You are actually cutting the black with the white from the other side. Get it all even. Stand on something if you need to, this way you can see that it is even and flat. Then when you go to the other side, cut the white down the same length as it is on the other side. I do the part near the bridle path first and you can tell by looking between the ears that it is cut down the same length on both sides. Finish the white to the black, which is done already! One other thing, DON"T take the mane right down to the poll at the bridle path. The mane should stand up behind t he bridle path about one inch or so. This way it looks as if it continues right into the forelock. Sometimes when I have a horse with a thin forelock, I won't cut a bridle path, I just let the hair grow and add it to the forelock. On a Stallion with a huge poll bump?! (You all know what I am talking about!) I definetly do the bridle path! You can wet the mane with a bristle brush to help the hair stand up while cutting. I do it wet sometimes and sometimes dry. The fat manes are hard to do, to get that wide part level. I don't use clippers as, I don't trust my hand when the horse takes a giant sudden step! On the video, it shows you how to cut the mane to give a heavy neck a more pleasing appearance and how to modify the different ones to give that &quo
Re: feeding
This message is from: "SUSAN L GIARGIARI" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello List! Hi Sue Harrison! What you feed your 14 month old is about what I would feed mine. We always have various ages here and I do feed processed grain as I don't have lush pasture, not enough and we feed hay all year. I supply mineral/salt blocks free choice, broodmares at 8 mths. gestation get put on 16% Mare & Foal. They get that and foals get it also. Hilmar, when breeding gets this too. Up until they are a year old they get the 16% then at 1 year it is dropped to 14%. At two they get 12 % and after 3 years, a 10 % is adequate for light work. We worm every other month, rotating wormers. When it is winter, and no one is working and we have a good quality timothy/alfalfa mix hay, they get a handful with rice bran. Free choice mineral/salt blocks and always have water available. They love the fresh well water. Even in the coldest part of winter they will drink it right down. Richard, my husband would love me to feed just oats. We always used to feed just oats and corn. But we never had broodmares, a stallion, youngstock of all different ages. We are very deficient in Selenium and Vit. E here and have to supplement. When we had sheep lambing all the time, even with supplementing, we would still have to give shots to the newborn lambs, sometimes. I will share one quick story. A yearling we sold to a woman, was on 3 qts. AM & PM of a 14%. We do feed pellets rather than sweet. I tend to see a Hotness in the horses, Highgear, with it that isn't there with the pelleted feeds. Anyways, the vet came to do shots and just about died when she saw how much this youngster "pony" was getting and had the woman cut it way down. The vet told her that that is what a Percheron yearling would get. It took only 3 weeks for this yearling to start dropping his weight and the woman picked right up on it and put his grain back up. He put the weight right back on. She called to tell us what she had done and I was glad to hear how good her "eye" was! I do feed by "eye", feel for ribs, especially under those heavy coats, feel the crest and lift the tails of those older horses to see how big the fat rolls are around the anus. It is amazing where they can hide the fat! The older ones especially! Hope this helps some! Sue g.
Re: Trailer going to VA
This message is from: "SUSAN L GIARGIARI" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello All! Richard is heading for VA tomorrow to pick up 3 Hanovarians bought at a sale on Saturday night. They have to be picked up by Tuesday, so he will be leaving Monday afternoon, late. Short notice, but you never know! Sue g.
Re: Life Is Always A Miracle!
This message is from: "SUSAN L GIARGIARI" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello List! Thank you to all of you who have written on the list and privately to Richard and I, about our recent losses. It is so comforting and feels so nice at such a hard time to be surrounded by all of you wonderful friends. Very comforting, to be able to read these posts together and go thru the gamete of feelings together, and it gets a little easier each day. I wanted to share what happened the day after Sunday and her foal passed. Richard went to a Bible study group and Anthony had asked him to light the grill for him, so he could cook "some fresh Homegrown pork" . I was out in the barnyard putting the last blankets and such away. My neighbor, who was here helping all day, with keeping Sunday up on her chest, showed up in the morning to help put away all the "stuff" that gets brought out to the barn during a crisis. I was so thankful for her help. Her 8 year old daughter also came to help. So, as I fed and finished, Anthony called out to me to see how close I was to finishing up, and I told him I would be right along. Our big stock trailer is parked in front of the house and blocked my view. When I got up to the fenced in yard, there was a picnic table,(he had to pull it down and drag it across to be near the grill) umbrella stuck in a hole in the table, two places set side by side, a teapot, cup of tea steeping, he had a cup of coffee and a little coffee maker pot on the table, and dinner on the grill was two slabs of pork ribs, wrapped in tin foil with barbecue sauce, and two baked potatoes, wrapped in foil. He was so proud of the "picnic" he had prepared for me! It totally astounded me and we sat down to eat our feast! It was chilly by then, 8 PM, and the tea hit the spot! Our hard times are shared together and that makes the special times mean so much!! Sunday nite, May 28, right on her due date, we were blessed with a colt from Dena! The birth was wonderful for us to participate in and was very private for Richard and I. Richard video taped it and it is so neat to watch! Although, as I was imprinting the little guy, I peaked in front of his umbilical cord, still attached at the time, and told Richard it was a filly! Later on, after Dena stood and the cord broke, I got the iodine and as I put it on, I realized that it is "behind" the belly button that you look for that "funny little hole"! Sure enough, that is what I saw! OOppss! Goofed again! Only this time it is on tape! First the goat, Felicity to Felix and now this little guy. No comments from the peanut gallery please! Richard also let out a secret, he does not like slime. He won't touch a fish, has to wear gloves, and when he let it out to the little guy, that he was way to slimy to touch, needed to dry off! I started to laugh! You learn something new every day! He would help in an emergency, but as long as I am there, he is more than happy to offer "word" encouragement and hold the camera! This little guy was up in 15 minutes and never fell down when he got up! No stumbling around and went right to the "milk bar". He had the spikit in 5 minutes. I have never seen such an alert foal and one who didn't careen around the stall, as it would try to get it's sea legs under it! Congratulations to Dave and Pat!! Yeah! Signe and Mari!! Dena and Stella await the time when their foals are both old enough for them to "get back to work" with Dave and the 4 in Hand. Stella is being bred right now and when she gets back we will start her back to work. Saw Craig and Laura, and Vivian at GMHA! Hilmar was in the Training Level, and won his division! He did have competition! It was awesome for us to see him actually able to concentrate and do the work in the ring requested of him. I will let you all in a little training tip. Leslie, the woman who has him to train and show this summer, took him out for a 12 mile jog at 10:30 AM. This took the edge off. His dressage test was at 12:45 and the cones at 1:06. He did great! He actually, still could have done the marathon part, but it isn't required in Training. We aren't breeding Hilmar this year, he is concentrating on showing and we are off to a good start! Marnix, also won his division. I don't know if he did have competition or not. I know I talked to Vivian, but can't remember! Vivian!! I have heard the thing about the cannon bone and being able to get a good estimate on the height potential. I will ask Richard what the formula is tomorrow. He has retired for the night! He goes to his Heart Class still and is now down to 171 pounds, from 245!! I told him he needed to stop now or I will be big time embarrassed! I sure don't want to cut out my little pleasures in life. FOOD!! Sorry this is s loonnggg! Enjoy the nice weather! We actually have stopped burning wood to heat the house! Take care, Sue g.
Re: Fjords For Sale and Foal Raffle
This message is from: "SUSAN L GIARGIARI" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello Listers! Haven't posted in awhile but have been reading as always! I have not posted any sales horses on the list before, but here goes! Felicity's Patrick , 14.2 H, 5 yr. gelding. Sire:Konggard. Dam: SF Sunday. Beautiful boy with suspension plus! His extended trot is awesome! Patrick drives and rides and has been shown quite a bit in driven and ridden dressage. Has spent the last 2 1/2 years with a trainer at the owner's boarding barn. He clips, bathes, stands for farrier, comes when called!, loves people and attention! I took him for a small drive with others yesterday and he hadn't been hooked since last fall. He never made a wrong move, behaved like a gentleman and what a blast to drive him! He left here as a two year old and came back all "growed up!" His owner has a smaller driving pony that she is more confident with and wants Patrick to go to a good, loving home. Pictures are available through email for any interested parties. Price: $7500. Felicity's Rodejka: 14.1 H, 4 year old mare, green broke to drive and ride. Needs miles! Very nice, big-boned mare. Sire: Konggard. Dam: Stella 1. Rodejka has that wonderful extended trot that Konggard passes on to his offspring! She is offered with a breeding to LLA Hilmar(next spring) for $7800 or Open, for $7200. Diamonte & Olympus: 4 yr old geldings. Being trained to drive and draft work. Very handsome boys! Good movement and very friendly. $5200 each. Used Meadowbrook Cart. Just needs to be refinished! Good condition. Seat backs fold down for rear entry. Fjord size. $800. Email me privately at [EMAIL PROTECTED] for more info on these horses or cart. End of for sale ads. NFHA Fjord Foal Raffle or $2000 Cash. Our foal raffle has been very succesful the first two drawings! Tobyn was won by Marsha Korose of Bristow, VA in 1998 and Vicktor was won by Yonda Snyder of Bloomington, IN in 1999. The 2000 Fjord Foal has yet to be born but is due in the next month! We are now doing the drawing for the 2000 Raffle Foal at our 17th Annual Fjord Show in S. Woodstock, VT on August 27th, Sunday. The drawing will be at the end of the show after the Awards for the different divisions are given out. You don't need to be present, but the foal will be there! Not ready to leave mom, but there for all to see and dream! Tickets are $10 and Only 1000 tickets get sold (better odds than the lottery!). There is a disclaimer at the bottom of the tickets that states that :"The raffle winner will be reviewed by the NFHA for proper placement of the foal. A cash prize will be awarded in place, if so decided." No one has taken the money yet! To get a ticket. send $10 to : Susan Giargiari, POB 2, Peterborough, NH 03458. Any questions, my phone is 603-924-9133 or email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] . I will send you your ticket stub and if you are not present at the drawing and win, you will receive the call from Richard that evening! Just ask Marsha and then Yonda their disbelief when they each got the call!! Yonda had been coming to Equitana USA for 4 years to see the Morgans and the Fjords. Last year the Morgans weren't there and her and her friend, Adriene splurged and bought some raffle tickets. I think they bought 3. They couldn't believe it when they got the call! We have made some wonderful friends through this raffle and helped our club and promoted the fjords all at the same time! Got to go now! Sun is shining and horses need working and manes need trimming! Happy spring! Sue g.
Mike May
This message is from: Jeri L Rieger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Dear Mike, You constantly amaze me. Your outlook on life, sense of humor, throughness of your registar position and passion for Fjords are/is awesome. I throughly appreciate each aspect! Bravo on the life in1900 e-mail! Petitioning to be the President of your Fan Club, Jeri in missouri
World Show
This message is from: Jeri L Rieger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I am in agreement that I would rather see annual regional Fjord shows AT THIS TIME in the United States than a "World or International" Show. I think in the future, that this idea might be worth re-introducing. We need to further education in the states about the abilities, breeding and training of Fjords before branching out. I am one of those constantly training my trainer to reach beyond what is "popular" or "perceived" (sp?). Like another lister where wrong training concepts (neck reining and driving) are sometimes used, I have to tell my trainer - Try it, just because she is 1. young (6 years old ) 2. has different conformation than you are used to 3.hasn't done before isn't any reason to to ask it of her. She often is more willing than the Trainer! Let's increase the knowledge of our little horse world before taking on the World! Jeri in Missouri
RE:Crossbredding & Brian
This message is from: Jeri L Rieger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- From: fjordhorse-digest[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2000 2:33 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: Cross Breeding Couldn't keep quiet here.. believing that there are many on this list that are far more knowledgeable and well-spoken than I. I was content to lurk. However, the comment about liking the attention that the Fjords gives us out in public required a response! First of all, Lori, I realise that the statement was not intented as a "put down." But, like many of the members of this list, I (we) have owned other horse breeds before getting into Fjords. I was attracted to them by their versatility. My daughter and I have different agendas for what we want our horses to do but we both wanted to do a little breeding. Mostly, because we enjoy foals - not as an investment or living but for the pure pleasure of it. This required us to agree on a breed as I couldn't/can't afford alot of horses. ( I own three fjords, with an agenda of no more than 2 more! To which my husband says "Yah, right! very sarcastically) While I am proud of my horses, this public attention can get in the way! I bought Fjords to drive, ride and breed - not to show off. Nothing is more tiring than only having an hour or two to spend with the horses and having some well intention person eating away at my Fjord time. I truly believe that many of us love the breed and really don't require attention for us to be happy with our Fjords. Yes, there are those out there promoting the breed and it is needed and important and useful but not a requirement for owning a Fjord. I am not a member of the NFHR but when I become one I will agree to all their rules, including no crossbreeding. I will not and would not join an orgainization that I can not abide by their rules. One is certainly entitled to their opinions but when one joins a group that is just what they are doing joining a group of people bound together by common goals and thoughts. Brian, I will miss you but feel that your priorities are in the right place. Go with God... everything will fall into place. Jeri in Missouri
Re: Glory Bits
This message is from: "SUSAN L GIARGIARI" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello List, To Janne, so sorry to hear about your loss and hope that Heidi is well on the mend now. It is a fear that touches your inner consciousness at the beginning of every foaling season. Know that you are in all out thoughts and prayers. To people inquiring about the Glory Bit, I was able to purchase one from a place in PA from the Amish, the sides do not slide, they are of a very good quality with the joint at the check that does not pinch. The one I bought by mail, had to measure when we got home, was $39 plus shipping. I have never seen one in any tack shop on the east coast for less than $70. Let me know if you need to have the info and I will post it to the list. We are leaving for PA Thursday nite, Richard's practice drive for the GA trip! Amish Auction we attend every year. Lots of neat stuff! To Philis A., we just had a Forest Fire in Pelham, NH today that burnt 10 acres. It was a backyard burn that rekindled. Our snow cover is almost gone and firefighters were surprised to have such a fire so soon in the season. We have been having up in the 50's and that's sweater weather! Richard is doing chores again, Yay! and able to help me with two 4 yr. old geldings we have in for training in draft and driving. There actually are dry spots here, so you know the mud season won't be bad, if we don't get more snow. Enjoy the spring, if it has arrived even for only a little while! Sue g.
What I do with my Fjords
This message is from: Jeri L Rieger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Okay - here's what my daughter and I do with our Fjords. 1. Pony Club with Tana - 6 year old mare from Bo Fjords a. gamesb. jumping (up to 3 feet, now) c. first level dressage d. trail riding e. drill team - all in an all purpose english saddle 2. Driving a. single cart b. team driving with Ole (5 year old from Shirley Anderson) c. teaching Mika (Tana's 2 year old daughter) ground drivng d. pulling a stone boat helping move "stuff" No, there is no western listed above. But, I have always found that horses are happier with a job. You should see them "help" me garden and bask in the sunshine on summer days. Tana is ridden at least an hour or two a day by Nicky who "misses" the bus home but always manages to catch the bus to the barn. Ole gets handled ( ridden, driven or more training) every Friday night, Saturday, Sunday and Monday for at least 2 hours. Mika, at two doesn't get alot of "work" but is still handled. Jeri in Missouri where I can work my horses all winter unlike Sandpoint, Idaho! (So far that's about the only REAL positive thing about Missouri - miss the views, snow, country life and some old friends! )
Re:All purpose fjord
This message is from: "SUSAN L GIARGIARI" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi All! In reply to Catherine and how different people use their Fjords, we have fjords that range from the "middle of the road" and both sides. We use our brood mares and stallion for riding, driving, farm work, and logging. I would honestly say that just because your fjord is on the light-boned side would not mean that they could not pull some logs or be hooked to a team and help pull the mowing machine or hay rake! I think a confusing part of "types" is that no matter what "type" (if you are talking ride, drive, draft) they should still have the correct conformation. It is the heaviness of the bone that some people are using to decide between the "types". Just because a fjord is a large-boned drafty "type" doesn't mean he can't be ridden as well as driven as well as do farm work, and do it correctly, the right way of going, a calm demeanor for "draft", and a "forward going" happy carriage horse. None of these are wrong. Catherine and Mike are doing a great job of trying to explain and Meredith, that was a wonderful post from you! You say it well when you say that the Fjord is a very special horse. Their personalities are not like any other horses. Alot of breeds are "people friendly" as the fjords are, but the way the fjord interacts with his "human" is very different than any other breed I have ever dealt with. You can see into their eyes and there is "someone" there! I have a neat story to relate about a Dutch and the American Eval that we participated in. At The Dutch Eval. I had my two mares, Stella and her daughter, Sunday. Bob did not want to give them their premiums and model mare status, even though they did qualify, because they were not the "type" that Holland had been breeding at the time(early 90's). There were Americans also on the judging team, Pat Wolfe, being one, and having three judges made a big difference. Bob understood that here in America we use and want all the different "types". I really feel that having at least 3 judges or 2 judges and a learner judge helps to keep it in perspective so that it isn't one judge against another, which is what some of the feed back has been on the American system, only having just two judges. Now that will be different and there will be a variety of judges to choose from. Bob did agree with what the other judges were saying and my mares were given their premiums and judged against the others and Stella got her Model Mare 1st class and Sunday is a Model Mare. When they were judged in the American System, Wayne placed all the mares after judging and they were placed in order of their points? . I am not really sure about this part. He did place a more refined mare first and said that this is what the Dutch are breeding for and then went down the line to where he had Sunday one ahead of Stella and said "this is the division. Sunday is "middle of the road" and Stella is the "old style" Norwegian type." It was very interesting. Stella is imported from Norway and Sunday is American bred but out of Anvil's Unior. Anita, was Unior Am. bred and born? I think he is because he has the Anvil's in front of his name. Most imports don't have any initials or farm names in front of them. If the name is a repeat it has a number. Stella is really "Stella 1" and Sunday is "SF Sunday". This goes to show you that Dutch judge was willing to listen to the Americans and respect their input on the Dutch Eval, here in the States and my mares are now in the Dutch Studbook. Some of you may ask, why would I get my mares done by the American System if they are already done by the Dutch. I will never know it all and each time my horses are judged at an evaluation where they get marks for conformation and the "live" feedback at the end of the judging, is a learning experience for me. I learn more, each Eval gives new info, some of the info is about where the horse is at at that given time. In the beginning, I didn't know about having your horse in the best possible shape and condition in order for him or her to look & perform to the best of her ability. Now I do. I learned. We are not rich, but we do plan on being stewards for this wonderful breed and we take the responsibiblity of it very seriously. We know we will never get rich breeding nor do we ever plan on making "a living" doing this. The amount of money that gets spent for evals and showing will most likely not be earned by the fjords. But.it is in our blood, it is a way of life, it is a privilege we take seriously and the rewards in other ways have been great! The people we have met through this breed has been a wonderful experience for us and I hope for them too. A Norwegian Fjord Horse is and always will be A Norwegian Fjord Horse. Enjoy your ponies!!! Sue G.
Re: Georgia Trip
This message is from: "SUSAN L GIARGIARI" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Fjordies! Sue G. here with an update on Richard's trip to Georgia to deliver a horse. He will be leaving on April 1(April Fool's Day). Ha! Ha! Yes, he really is. The move will be made in our big stock trailer, we have a carriage to pick up in Bristol, VA on the way down or back. Plenty of room for horses or freight going south or north. **The list has been great with all the different topics lately. My vote for appreciation for Mike May as our Registrar! **Alot of answers to questions about the Standard and correct pictures of the Norwegian Fjord are on the NFHR Web Site. Just type NFHR and search on any web page and it will bring it up for you. ** The FHI (Fjord Horse International) is alive and well! Those of us who went to Norway last year got to attend the Annual Meeting of FHI. Would alot of you be interested in seeing the info about FHI? Mike, could this be a button on the NFHR website? Not that you really need anymore work! Email me privately and I will send it to those who want it. **Richard and I spent a wonderful day outside today working with and ground driving "Monte" (Diamonte"!) . He has remembered his lessons well, we weren't able to do anything with him since the end of Nov. ,when Richard had his heart attack. The sun was shining and it was actually almost 40 degrees. I started to do manes today. Actually, to see what I can resurrect. Tomorrow will be another sunny day in the 40's. Wow! Heat wave! **I had an embarrassing moment today when I was making kissing noises and snapping my fingers to get the baby pygmy goat to come to me and let me scratch her back. "She" came over and stood there letting me scratch "her" all over and when my fingers went down "her" hind legs I felt this funny little bump! OPPS! Felicity had turned into a Felix!!! How old should he be when I "geld" him? We used to do the lambs (dock and crimp the jewels) at about a week old. Is it the same with these little goats? Some of you have talked about them in the past. *** OK, back to Fjords. Deb in Erie, Pa. , we in NE have had a few draft clinics in the past, teaching how to harness, farm equipment, logging. I will let you know if anything comes up. How about it Dave McW. , why don't you have a logging clinic at your farm and get some more trails put thru?!! Just a thought! Bye all for now! Sue g.
Re: Baby Bunny Pocket Warmers
This message is from: "SUSAN L GIARGIARI" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hey Carol M. ! You forgot to mention that the "baby bunny pocket warmers" also come with little chocolate bonbons for you to munch on to keep that energy level up and fight off the cold! Plenty of fiber. Couldn't resist!Sue G. Hi Fionna! Have seen your posts these past few digests and was glad to hear from you! Are you going back to Norway this year? Maybe next year, I will go with my husband and son. Sounds like you are having a blast in the muck! Hi to Elspeth(did I get it right?) from me, too! Sue Giargiari
Re: Horse going to Guyton, Ga
This message is from: "SUSAN L GIARGIARI" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Howdy Folks, Thank you for all your good thoughts and prayers during Richard's illness. It really helps to know all of you were doing that! Wanted to let people know that we are trucking a horse to GA the middle of march or end. Exact date not written in stone yet. It would be with Richard and his friend Billy. They will drive straight down and back. Call him at 603-924-9133 and what a deal he could work out for you. Could also take freight instead of a horse. Didn't someone need a carriage picked up in VA.? Richard is doing awesome. I have to sit on him to keep him down. He is now able to help with chores..Yeah! Somehow though the job of chopping the frozen poop is still mine?? oh well ! We will know he is 100% well when he can shovel the again! Ha! Ha! Lots of great topics on the list! Have to go get Anthony at the bus now and introduce him to Felicity who was born this AM. Baby pygmy goat! Black with white ears, a white tipped muzzle and a white star and so nice to hug! Boy, will Anthony be pleasantly surprised! Bye Sue G>
Show and Brag Alert!
This message is from: Jeri L Rieger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On March 11th and 12th, at Lake Louise by St.Charles, Missouri - my daughter and Tana, our 6 year old Fjord mare are going to be riding in a Pony Club drill team. It is the opening of a new Purina show center and it is anticipated that there will be approximately 4,000 people at each show. For many people, it will be the first time they see a fjord! It is also a first for Tana - Being squeezed on both sides by other horses, having a horse ride up on her tail and her having to put her nose on another horse's tail all at a trot - her attitude is great!! my only regret is that Ole (my gelding) isn't going well enough to be Tana's partner - it would have been really cool to have a pair of Fjords..oh, well - next year!! The drill team is praticing every Friday night, twice on Saturday, a long session on Sunday and on Monday night. She is getting so buff! I meant Tana but Nicky isn't doing so bad either! Nicky will also being singing the National Athem with another girl. That worries me more than the drill team! Jeri in Washington, Missouri
RE: country living
This message is from: Jeri L Rieger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> My Dad has always said that he didn't know what the big deal was about kissing cousins...if he didn't kiss cousins he didn't have any one to kiss! He ( and me, too) grew up on an island where it took 2 hours by ferry to get to the "mainland." So far everything said about country living applied. I miss it! Jeri in Missouri
Secret Santa revels herself!
This message is from: Jeri L Rieger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> As i am going to be gone for about three weeks, I have to fess up to being Sue Sorger's Secret Santa! Sue, your gift fell out of the sleigh but is on its way to you now! I liked what you got so much that I asked MY Santa (husband) to get me one too. And I think that you can tell that you got some handcrafted stuff there also. Hope you like everything! Merry Christmas and a Very Blessed New Year! Jeri Rieger in Missouri PS I am unsubscribing from my work address while I am gone however, my daughter Nicky will still be "on" at home.
No List Today and a "welcome to topica" ? !!!!!!!!!!!!!
This message is from: "SUSAN L GIARGIARI" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I just got a welcome notice from topica saying I was now on their mailing list and that that is where I need to write to get the list. What's up? I thought this was the new list address and i got the "goodbye, disconnect" from topica the same day i got the welcome from angus.mystery. I didn't get anything from the list today. WWAhh!!! please help! Sue G.
RE: List must move
This message is from: Jeri L Rieger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Steve, by the time I got to the list read you had already covered this year's costs. However, I like both suggestions of paying you back and saving some for a list member's or fjord owner's rainy day. I want to contribute, do you truly want me to wait til next year??? Feels like cheating!!! Jeri in Missouri
RE: List must move (READ and RESPOND!)
This message is from: Jeri L Rieger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I can live with ads attached to the end of messages. Jeri in Missouri -- From: Steve McIlree[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 18, 1999 11:06 AM To: Fjord Horse List Subject:List must move (READ and RESPOND!) This message is from: Steve McIlree <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The list as we have known it WILL END in no more than a week, or perhaps as soon as this afternoon! THIS IS SERIOUS!! I'd really like to hear a little feedback on this subject. What do people think about having ads attached to every message? I have found out that I can move us to Onelist easily. Topica seems to be better than I first had thought, but there are several issues I still don't like about their service. I have not found any advertising-free service provider as yet that has as low a price as we have been using. Please let me hear from you about this situation, this is as much your list as it is mine. -- Steve McIlree -- Pferd & Skipper -- Omaha, Nebraska, USA When I bestride him, I soar, I am a hawk...the basest horn of his hoof is more musical than the pipe of Hermes. --William Shakespeare(1564-1616)
RE: Saying Goodbye :-(
This message is from: Jeri L Rieger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I am so very sorry, Michelle. I have a real lack of words to express how much I respect and understand the steps you took today. I don't fully understand the ties that these animals binds us with but I do know of the emptiness that comes when they are no longer present. Jeri
RE: Secret Santa gift arrives!
This message is from: Jeri L Rieger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I got my Secret Santa gift yesterday and the address gave my Santa away! But, I thought we were suppose to wait to open it I am hoping to strike a real friendship with Susan and her daughter Whitney. After Sandpoint and the "Land of the Fjords" we (Nicky and I) feel like we are in No Where Land. Jeri in Missouri where the barn has closed for the winter? Really, its okay because now we don't have to fight for the arena!!
RE: Vet visit, other things
This message is from: Jeri L Rieger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Tish, I had three fjords escaping on a regular basis at the place where they were boarding. They were away from the action (people and other horses), not a lot of grazing and I think they got bored. We got them toys - a jolly ball which I have seen Ole carrying around, tossing his head and we hung plastic milk cartons from the trees. The horses play keep away and all sorts of other nonsenseno longer terminally bored...no longer escaping! Of course, the milk cartons are hung high, about eye level and there is no spare rope floating around. We check the cartons to make sure that they aren't broken or chewed on regularly. After almost 2 months, milk cartons are intact and we have even sillier fjords! We have our own special tetherball game going! Jeri in Missouri where there is no snow ! :-(
When Magic Happens
This message is from: "SUSAN L GIARGIARI" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> This is the story of the perfect Fjord whose name just happens to be Sean. Sean is the son of LLA Hilmar and SF Sunday. He is with out a doubt near perfect; balance, looks, temperament. He was also the proud owner of Anne & Don Sullivan. Anne had come to our place and watched him do his magic on a stack of logs, in and out the escape door of our trailer. He was just four month at that time. Sean also did a few of John Lyons moves for her. This should be the end, but wait, after quite a long time and much handling our good friend Ann was told she had best her things in order for her time(here) had all but run out. She had to make some real hard choices and fast, Ann knowing how much I loved Sean, returned him to me with her blessings. It was at just this time that all the Fjord people from here were on their way to KY. for Equitana USA. After being their for a day we were getting ready to practice at the out door arena, and while I was waiting, there was a man in the arena riding a huge quarter horse. At first I thought nothing of it but then something made me look really close at them both. This man was tied to his horse in a western saddle with a tall back (to say the least, no room for error). I started to leave but kept being drawn back and the longer I stayed the more I had to try and talk to this fellow, as you who know me know I say what I think, don't pull punches and let everything fall where it may, so I went into the ring and called this fellow over, asked if I might make a date to talk with him later. This was done. The man's name is Michael Richardson. We talked for quite sometime and made an agreement to talk in three days. As those in the booth with me know, I tried to talk to every person in a wheel chair. The question was always the same, "IF I TOLD YOU THAT YOU COULD HARNESS AND HOOK UP A PONY TO A CART BY YOURSELF WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO TRY IT?" Many people looked at me as if I were nuts. One or two also said "why didn't I try sitting in their place" , they were angry. I asked them if Michael were to show them, would they be willing to try? Everything changed at that very moment: I believe it's because Michael is one of them. The difference is, he has a reason to get up every single day. Michael and I talked again. We made things happen and he now owns Sean. as I told Michael, it will be hard for the kids not to love this little Fjord! The first thing you see is a perfect heart on his nose , he is not too big,and he has perfect eye shadow, from across the field he screams I LOVE YOU with just a look. For sure this is just the beginning of the story of Michael & Sean with Gods speed they will they will help a lot of people to see the beauty of our Fjords horses. Now I would like to thank all who sent their best, and offers of help to me and mine.I'll get better and my heart will heal just fine.God is not through with me just,but when He is that is fine also, May God bless an keep you all Richard Giargiari
When Magic Happens!
This message is from: "SUSAN L GIARGIARI" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> This a story about Sean "The Fjord of Fjords" : To start with, Sean was born to Felicity Farm in Peterborough, N.H. He is the son of LLA Hilmar and SF Sunday. Sunday is the pride of the farm. She will do any chore that is asked of her and loves people. We received a call from a woman who had seen the flyer about the Foal Raffle to help Ceacy at Penfrydd Farm with her vet bills from the botulism that she lost 5 of her beloved Fjords to. Anne made a donation and then couldn't wait to see if she won. She came to see our Fjords, saw Sean and now you can guess what happened next! Sean was sold to Anne Sullivan at a young age and was loved to death by her and Don, her husband. Ann spent so much time with him that Sean would do anything she asked of him in one or two trys, even the things that she was told it would be impossible to do. It was so great to see the love between them. Things went bad when a doctor told Ann that she should make plans for dying.The first thing done was a call to us with a story of hurt and fear about her beloved Sean, in a flash he was ours again;by her magnificent child she gave to me knowing how much I loved him.That should have been the end of this story but fate stepped in and took over. When all the Fjord people went to Equitana USA and were getting to do a workout; there was a man in the workout area. As I watched this person doing his riding I thought how simple he looked. Then and only then did I see that he had no bridle on the horse at almost the same time I also saw that he was tied to his horse by ropes. He sometimes uses two whips to quide his horse to where he wants him to go. He is paralyzed from the waist down from a auto accident at 15. His western saddle has a high back to keep his body upright in the saddle. First thought, he is nuts! Second, he is trying to kill himself, so in my own way I got him to come to the fence and talk for a short time. We set up a time to meet later that day. When the meeting time came, (you must know me to understand how I talk and what I say, never one to pull a punch,) I told Michael that his horse would make most people afraid of it because of its size and that I had the perfect horse that I would donate to him, if he would work at least some of the time with kids that could not use their legs. We talked a long time. He came over and looked our horses over, we made our deal and now Michael Richardson is the new owner of the perfect Fjord Sean. Michael has just gotten sponsored by Purina and has been doing clinics and maybe we will all get to see him in the Northeast someday! Michael teaches us and others that God's spirit can put us in a new world, ,that our horses are really magic, that if we put things together right, there is a reason to get up everyday. When I see a person in a Wheel chair I've often wondered, if given the chance, would they try to harness a horse by themself and go for a drive. After talking to Michael to see if he would do something like this, I asked everyone in a chair that came by our booth if they would if I told them they could, (lets say that more than a few looked up at me and replied," It's easy to say from there!"). So I said if he told you,you could, would you believe him? You had best believe the smiles came and the answer YES also came. I do believe that GOD is great and he takes you where you need to go, which brings me to thanking you all for your good wishes. Just think he put Sean, Don & Ann, then Micheal into my life just when I needed rest and piece in my life the most. Thank you all again and if anyone would like to help Michael know Fjords, they might send him free books or tapes on our fine horses. I lent him my copy of "How to Trim the Mane" as he was wanting to make sure Sean will be a good representative of the breed in public. Michael will use Sean and when the little people or big people in those chairs see the perfect heart on the end of his nose and his eye shadow, see the depth of this horse in his eyes, they'll be in love and there will be no fear to let the healing begin. Love and Thanks! Richard Giargiari
RE: Lindemann
This message is from: Jeri L Rieger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Dave, you wrote a beautiful testament to Lindemann. I believe that there are animals that are "made" for us, their owners. There is so much joy to be gotten from these animals. We treasure the attitudes (good and bad), recognize their beings and commune with them easily. I once owned a Clydesdale that was my "joy" ; he died very unexpectedly. I have never been able to replace him and I have tried. Be very careful about letting go of Lindemanhe sounds like your "joy" and at this point in time I'm not sure that they don't only come once in a lifetime. Jeri in Missouri
Re: Talk About Dependability . . .
This message is from: "Glen L Porter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Carol: It has and always will amaze me how our horses take care of the riders and drivers. They aim only to please and love what they are doing. They are so sensitive to people and if only we could find a way to instill this sensitivity in people. Did you raise Holly and Maryke. Another nice day down here. Barn cleaning yesterday without our jackets. Forecast calls for snow and rain showers today. Hope it holds off for another day. Is there additional information that you need in ref. to the Fjord mare coming down. Are the people still interested. Did you get my e-mail with our FAX No. and telephone numbers. Would love to hear more about the mare. E-mail when you can. Pat - Original Message - From: "Arthur Rivoire" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, November 27, 1999 3:24 PM Subject: Re: Talk About Dependability . . . > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Arthur Rivoire) > > > > Hi Everyone from Carol Rivoire at Beaver Dam Farm in Nova Scotia - > > I thought I'd relate a little incident that happened here today. It really > is a "little incident" - not exciting - nothing spectacular - Our horses > didn't win a competition. Didn't do much of anything. It's really just an > ordinary Fjord story that I'm sure happens all the time with many of your > horses. > > Anyway, here it is. Last summer, we decided not to breed back our two > wonderful broodmares, HOLLY and MARYKE. Holly is the dam of BDF JOHN > ARTHUR, BDF MAGNUM, BDF JOELSTRA, and so many other wonderful performing > Fjords. Maryke is the dam of BDF MISS NAVETA, BDF IDAR, and many other > sons and daughters that are doing so very well in fairly big-time > competition. -- Holly foaled a very nice colt this year that may well be > Gjest's replacement sometime in the future, and Maryke had foaled another > extremely sweet and good looking colt. > > Both mares have produced faithfully for us year after year, and this year, > we decided to give them a rest. - We need just that kind of horse for our > Nova Scotia Beginner Driving Program --- really quiet, dependable, well > trained driving and riding horses for guests who are often beginners. > Holly and Maryke fit that description to a "T". > > We'd weaned the foals two weeks ago, and today (Saturday) was the day we > have our Apprentice Program with a group of youngsters aged 11 - 13. They > come and help us out in exchange for lessons in Horsemanship and Riding. > > Today, two of the kids were due for a riding lesson. Normally, we use the > old standbys, BDF Toril (16 yr. old mare) and Andor (8 yr. old gelding). > However, today, I said to Jaimie (our Stable Mgr.) - "Let's use Holly and > Maryke." We brought them in from the pasture, the kids cleaned them up, > and out we went to the ring. Both girls have only recently graduated from > the lunge line, so were riding the mares on their own. > > Jaimie was teaching one girl, and I taught the other. Everything was going > well. And then it suddenly dawned on me that - EVERYTHING WAS GOING REALLY > WELL! It dawned on me how extraordinary the situation was. These two > children who are almost absolute beginners were taking a lesson on two > mares that hadn't been worked in any way whatsoever for almost two years. . > . . and EVERYTHING WAS GOING WELL!!! > > Granted, it was just a walk lesson, but even so, those wonderful mares did > everything asked of them. The littlest girl one horse length behind the > other, they were able to halt and stand when directed, change rein on the > diagonal, down the centerline, across the ring, turn right, turn left - One > girl with no contact, and one with too much. Holly and Maryke just kept > trucking. > > As I said - A little story. Nothing spectacular or exciting. Nothing > happened! And I guess that's exactly why I was so struck by the wonder of > it all. To be able to take two mares out of a pasture that hadn't been > asked to do anything for years, and put two beginners on them for a riding > lesson - Well, it's not exciting, but it sure is SPECTACTULAR in my opinion. > > Best Regards, Carol Rivoire > Carol and Arthur Rivoire > Beaver Dam Farm Fjords II > R.R. 7 Pomquet > Antigonish County > Nova Scotia > B2G 2L4 > 902 386 2304 > http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/beaverdf > >
