Wintec wide saddles
This message is from: Rose or Murph roseormu...@ywave.com I am wondering if anyone is using the wintec wide saddles on their fjords? My mare is almost out of the white gullet on the regular tree. I was told at the tack store the channel (along the spine) on the wintec wides are too wide for a lot of drafts as they had the saddle returned and don't carry it anymore. Would like to hear from anyone who is using a wintec wide. Rosemary in sunny wa. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Wintec wide saddles
This message is from: kngould kngo...@earthlink.net I use a Wintec wide on my Fjord; at a Fjord and Friends Fun Fest one year the saddle fitter there gave it an 88%; Asti seems to like it and it still seems to fit well. Funny, it's the same exact saddle I use on my Friesian, same size and everything as Asti inherited it from my other Friesian when I sold him! Kim Kim Nord Castle Ladyhawke www.castleladyhawkeweddings.com 828 894-0466 -Original Message- From: Rose or Murph Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2014 12:52 PM To: fjordhorse-dig...@angus.mystery.com Subject: Wintec wide saddles This message is from: Rose or Murph roseormu...@ywave.com I am wondering if anyone is using the wintec wide saddles on their fjords? My mare is almost out of the white gullet on the regular tree. I was told at the tack store the channel (along the spine) on the wintec wides are too wide for a lot of drafts as they had the saddle returned and don't carry it anymore. Would like to hear from anyone who is using a wintec wide. Rosemary in sunny wa. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Wintec wide saddles
This message is from: Karen Keith kkke...@hotmail.com I recently bought a Wintec Wide for my younger Fjord mare. I started her in a Wintec Isabel saddle with the widest gullet that I use on my other Fjord mare, but it never was a good fit and then as she started developing muscles and a top line, it no longer fit at all and was rolling on her. I bought the Wide at a Memorial Day sale and used it a few times and then took it to Fjord Fest in NC where I put 30 trail miles on and probably 9 hrs of lessons. The horse seems very comfortable in it, and the big surprise for me is that it's narrower in the twist than my old Wintec Isabel, so much more comfortable for me. My two mares are very different types. The one who wears the old Wintec Isabel is a big 14.2 hh 1200 lb chunk, and the one who wears the Wide is a 13.2 hh 900 lb sporty type. Go figure. Bottom line: I am very happy with my Wintec Wide, and more important, my horse is, too. Karen Keith, No. VA Sent from my iPad Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Saddles
This message is from: Tonja Acker-Richards tacke...@aol.com We have liked our used orthoflex saddles and we went used eBay etc because we could try different ones on our different sized butts and babies. All our Luton and Eitan fjordies do run drafty. Tonja Acker-Richards Pond House Farm Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
saddles
This message is from: lindy hild bah...@comcast.net We have been very happy with theThoroughgood ( British made, synthetic) wide gullet saddle. My Fjord is a sporty rather than a drafty body type. It's the modified dressage saddle, but I trailride.. Lindy and Dagney in the Shenandoah Valley of Va, getting ready to go to the FjordFest in Blowing Rock, NC Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
saddles for fjords
This message is from: Debby Stai debby.s...@earthlink.net Its true, depending on what kind of riding you intend to do. And important to fit the rider and a must to fit the horse. I too have had fjords with different backs, short versus long, wide through the ribs, extra wide through the ribs, one who was flatter muscled at the shoulder area below the withers, we felt due to him protecting a back leg with a stifle issue. Some with mutton withers. Most fjords are not long backed though they might appear to be as theyâve âbigâ butts. : ) I did use a treeless saddle at one time only as my daughter used one for her non fjord who had huge back issues. It was comfy to sit in, one could actually feel the horses back lifting. So that told me one has to be a great rider and not bounce on that back. The other concern I had, putting too much weight in the irons/stirrups as it was a strap that was threaded through the saddle seat. It was recommended to me by this saddle maker to use a toklat? saddle pad, fit to the particular saddle, to absorb shock and protect the horses back. The other thing I found was one had to tighten the girth to prevent the saddle shifting to the right or left. I think that is why many use breast collars and such. I felt this saddle would have been fine for someone trail riding, mostly walking. I did find a dressage saddle, albion, and a fitter was passing close to me so was able to get a fitting for two horses. Iâd lost my main riding horse and eventually sent that saddle to her for resale, and it did resale at a very good price. Both horses were extra wide trees. They arenât cheap saddles, but she will adjust the saddle for as long as I have the saddle, restuff the panels. Iâve not ridden western, Iâm just not sure that many western saddles will fit anything but a quarter horse unless it is made/built to the horse. Thatâs JMO. I have heard that the wintecs do have an adjustment for extra extra wide? Not sure. Itâs that hard piece of metal, just not sure I like that, as it has no give. Iâd had one for years and they do keep clean. Never found that they came to fit the rider, like a good pair of old gloves holds the shape to ones hand. Good luck in your search. Everyone is different in what they want. Put the horses comfort first always. Debby Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Saddles - Wintec
This message is from: divingduoandcor...@comcast.net I can relate to going thru a few saddles to get to the right one...including an endurance saddle that was too narrow and a western saddle that fit my horse well but I had trouble riding in! It has been a year for me too. I started with a Wintec All Purpose english saddle (CAIR) w/adjustable tree  in the extra wide (white) setting on my mare.  She is moderately wide, 14.1H.   My first fjord, I figured as she lost weight, got more fit, it was a good way to start. It was really comfy too!  I bought it used and the seat was a little big ...so I wanted to eventually replace it... Wanting a more secure saddle for trail riding after having shoulder surgery, a western trainer and I ended up taking my girl to a good size  saddlery and trying most the saddles in the place (well, it felt that way!) I ended up with a Cactus all around western saddle which is wide enough and relatively light weight with a short skirt. It has roughout leather on the fenders and skirt.  I love it!!  Soph seems to like it as well...and it feels very secure on the trail and puts me in a balanced, dressage-like position . I was fortunate that alot of great people at my barn were very generous with letting me try their saddles before I bought the one I have now ... I had issues with feeling that chair position too ...A fr iend had me try her Crates all around and it was eye opening... .  has a narrower twist and a pocket which put me in a perfectly balanced position... with legs underneath me.  I ended up with a saddle with the same feel... I never had so much trouble finding the right saddle for a horse before, but the search was worth it.  Good luck! ... the more saddles you try will hopefully help you recognize what fits you both when you find it!!    PS. I love my fjord! She is so worth the extra effort to find a good fitting saddle. :-)  Beth, Bob, the Corgis and the Fjord - Original Message - From: lboy...@aol.com To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 7:31:08 PM Subject: RE: Saddles This message is from: lboy...@aol.com Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Saddles
This message is from: S K windyacre...@yahoo.com Hi Stephenie! I like your reply, not confusing at all !!! That's Exactly what I'm going to dotake my time and hunt around...I'd like to bring Andy down to the tack shop but it's an hours ride and can't go without his baby brother...I have never tried to trailer the little one ( J.J. ) That's next on the agenda They can try saddles on him right there...but these saddles sound very heavy...( western draft wide tree's ) and Icelandic sizes..but she said they tend to be heavy...I can't lift too much wt. anymore...I lifted 3 1/2 tons of wood pellets in 40 lb. bags for the wood stove last winter and my poor shoulder doesn't and won't lift heavy anymore... Yes, I'm confused, to say the least...I'll find that saddle, I'm sure somedaylol I've had many people from this site trying to sell me saddles, but it's tough when you can't try them on People here have been absolutely wonderful with all the advice..everyone's trying to help God Bless you all! That's what makes me love horse people, always trying to help each other...the way it should be! I'll let everyone know if I do find a saddle but tend to agree with my trainer, No saddle will Ever be perfect, as his girlfriend tends to think...we can only do the best we can for the Horse first then the rider. Riding should be fun, like you say, not a burden to either of youHe works with so many horses he's the one I think I'd listen to... I want to thank Each and Everyone of you who have helped me with my search...Your a Wonderful Group!! God Bless Each and Every one of you!! Susan.. From: S Sexton ssext...@hotmail.com To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 8:58 PM Subject: RE: Saddles This message is from: S Sexton ssext...@hotmail.com Hmm, I'd say the trainer's girlfriend gets less weight to her comments than your trainer - after all, your trainer would have a better idea how you and your horses move and are conformed. Plus, the saddle fitter probably is wanting to sell you a saddle from her own stock/store... which makes her opinion likely more biased. Just my 2 cents, plus you can always do what Sparrow and I are trying - we're going to demo several different brands of treeless (along with trying some treed XW) saddles and see what WE like and go from there. If you figure to keep an open mind and find what fits your horse and you, who cares what the others think, they don't have to try and ride in it! LOL After all, just think how unhappy your horse would be in an ill fitting saddle, whether it's treed or treeless, and how unhappy you'd be in an ill fitting seat/twist and how that would make riding NO FUN - I try to focus on that and ignore the rest of the comments. I'm getting some heat for trying the treeless from some local dressage club big whigs, but I even tried some of their for sale treed saddles, and they didn't fit us either. So whatever it is that fits us both in the end is what I'll buy. Good Luck! I know it's frustrating and time consuming and costly, hope your hunt goes well and smoothly. StephanieKansas www.sextonstables.com/mares.html Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
RE: Saddles
This message is from: S Sexton ssext...@hotmail.com I've got a Wintec Dressage and a Wintec AP, one with CAIR, one flocked. Both have changeable gullet. My problem is that I am on the XW gullet and it is not wide enough but I tried a Wintec Wide AP saddle and it was still tight on 1X but 2X would have dropped the saddle pommel onto her spine. I'm not very happy with the Wintec seat though as I don't feel as comfy in it but that's just me. SO, I am on the saddle hunt as many others are it seems. I've tried some really fancy (and out of my budget) dressage saddles for sale locally but even those weren't a good fit for me or Sparrow. Next I have 2 Ansurs and a Sensation coming my way for trials. If those don't work, I have 2 other Sensations I can try, an Albion, a Duett and another brand I forget at the moment. It seems to be a very much trial and error in order to get the right setup. But, if you like your saddle and it fits your Fjord and it's only the fenders are an issue - I'd wonder, can you raise your stirrups a hole or two in order to have better balance against them/reaching distance? Or if they are as high as they go - do you mind the fenders themselves otherwise? You might be able to get a saddle shop or leather repair place (here it's my local shoe repair and motorcycle leather sewing shop) that can do repairs and cut downs and such. They might be able to resculpt the fender to fit you better? Or how's the rigging put together under the fender? Would you be able to just dismantle the current fenders off, maybe undo their stitching at top and would that show a stirrup bar/hanger? Wintec might be able to shed light on that - of course they would void your warranty if you have one, but if you bought it used like I did mine, you don't get a warranty. Or maybe changing the type of stirrups? Would be interesting to see if there is a way to alter yours to make it work so you are comfy too but save you the time and hassle and money to buy a new one just slightly different and to also then have to sell off your old one. Just a thought. Good luck!Stephanie SparrowKansas PS - I should mention poor Sparrow is carrying a tad, a bit, okay a lot of extra weight which doesn't help our saddle fitting but we are both on an exercise regimen and diet to work on it. :) Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Saddles
This message is from: Kim Manzoni kim.manz...@yahoo.com I use a treeless saddle, the Bob Marshall saddles, on my horses. We love them. They do not slip if you use a good saddle pad and tighten them properly. However, instead of using the horn to boost yourself up into the saddle, you have to use the horses mane. When Titan is old enough to ride we plan on buying a third Bob Marshall. : ) Yes, we love them. -Kim in Md...dying from the heat and flies. From: S K windyacre...@yahoo.com To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Sent: Saturday, July 7, 2012 8:36 PM Subject: Re: Salt, Sweat, etc. This message is from: S K windyacre...@yahoo.com Thanks for all the infoI was told the treeless saddles slip alot ...do you find this to be so? That's all I need is to land on the ground...I'm a novice, got my dream babies later in life...so need a really good saddle,,,your so right, my horse comes first...I want him to be comfortable...My trainer told me I could use my saddle for about an hour at a time...but when we do start going out, I will be out more than an hour. Susan Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Saddles
This message is from: S K windyacre...@yahoo.com Thank you for the reply LolaI'm very confused at the moment...so many conflicting answers...My trainer's girlfriend works at fitting horses to their saddles and she doesn't like the treeless due to the strain on the horse's backbut my trainer says they're greathm From: Lola Lahr lolal...@gmail.com To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 10:38 AM Subject: Re: Saddles This message is from: Lola Lahr lolal...@gmail.com I use the FreeForm treeless saddles (Action Rider Tack is a great place to buy them - or used are great too- check on an endurance site). They have a more of a twist so the seat is not as flat and wide as the Bob Marshall. I tried the Bob Marshall and loved it, but my mare's back was too wide and flat so it felt like my legs were sticking straight out to the sides and I couldn't really use them ;-) My FreeForms fit ALL of my horses, so I only need enough saddles for the number of riders going. I find that with a good saddle pad, girth, and proper tightening - just like a treed saddle- they don't slip any more than any other saddle, and I grab the front of the saddle to get on. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
RE: Saddles
This message is from: Karen McCarthy weeg...@hotmail.com Balance? Seat?Adjustment (placement, pad)?All of this comes into play in either type of saddle. Sorry, Gail I can't buy that these riders stayed in their saddles just b/c they were treeless.That they are good riders, (or just got lucky!) that the saddle (w/ or w/o a tree) is fitted properly is the real reason.I see reasons for using both types of saddles, but JMPO, I prefer a well fitted traditonal treed saddle. Like Lola, I like my legs to drape, not splay. Once someone used an Ansur dressage saddle on one of my fjords + my WB, and that saddle definitely squashed their withers, even on the fjord. I rode in a Bob Marshall once and couldn't wait to get out of it. Same w/ Aussie saddles. But please, this is just my personal experience.Not trying to be pro or con. From: g...@zeliga.com To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 08:43:35 -0700 Subject: RE: Saddles This message is from: Gail Russell g...@zeliga.com Has anyone tried a Boz saddle? As to the Bob Marshall...my neighbor just encountered a bear while trail riding. Her horse, and that of her friend spun around and tried to run away. Both riders stayed on. They attribute that to their treeless saddles. One has a Bob Marshall, and the other has a treeless saddle made in Canada. Don't know the name. Maybe someone else does? Gail Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
colors of fjords and treeless saddles
This message is from: Debby debby.s...@earthlink.net I'd think that testing the dna, the hair sample, would show the color? Is that not so. I'm no scientist but that was just a thought that came to mind. To me he does look light brown. I remember having a discussion about my Langster, as he was very very light brown, and when you clipped him, he looked white. But no escaping those brown places, the knees, the head. Seems might be a difference in the line down the back but we need some expert owners of white duns to step forward. Show us some comparison pictures. I've had many many english saddles, including an english trail treesless. My daughter had gotten one for her hard to fit, sway back, high withered, funky back saddlebred. Fit him good and I rode in it on him and it was comfy, course she'd ridden in it so much it was completely conformed to the horse and to her seat, and her and my seat aren't so different. So me thinks, hmm, my own saddle isn't as comfy as this one, looked them up, hmm, ok, get one for my Langster. Well, why did the new one slip to the outside on turns and working on 20 meter circles, hmmm. Why did this one slip back, hmmm. Well, daughter didn't tell me she'd had her girth so tight, how on earth that horse could breathe. I did get the kind of saddle pad they recommend, but primarely recommended to help those that do not yet have control over their own seats that they bounce on their horses back, not a good thing in a saddle with a tree much less a treeless one. Also many have to use breast straps, to keep saddle from slipping back and I think many use the backstrap and piece that fits under the tail, to keep it from sliding forward. So all kinds of neat gadgets to make it work?! Anyway, liked the idea of having a fitter, was coming through this way, Albion, dressage, measure measure measure horse then me. I only got to use Langsters a few times as he was not right after I got the saddle, very very sad for me, not the saddle, my Lang. I have Yndes, she is down south in training, they prefer to use their own equipment, to not worry about owners things, and they have much tack after working horses for 50 yrs. I think. But I rode in hers many many times, it fit her, it fit me, very nice. My daughter rode Ynde one day long after I'd had the saddle and after asked me what kind of saddle it was, she LOVED it. I do ride with a fairly tight girth but not so they can't breath. Seems she used the neoprene girth, whereas I prefer the leather. It just comes down to what is best for the horse, what fits the horse, first, comfortable for rider yes, but fit for horse, then fit for rider. You can go years and years and spend lots of money over those years buying this saddle and that saddle and it never being right, or you can spend the money and get the right saddle. I can tell you I sold Langs saddle and yes, it was like knew, but I got more back from it than I'd expected. So that is another thing to look at. If Ynde comes back and her back has changed, my saddle fitter, will have me measure, or if I'm lucky maybe she'll be down this way sometime, and they can restuff, change it. Both Lang and Ynde were/are extra extra widejust the stuffing in the panels was different. Another thing to look at fjords, not all but a lot. We think they have long backs but many don't, they just have big butts. One needs to make sure the cantle of the saddle is not sitting on their kidneys. I'm a smaller person, ride in a 16 1/2 seat, but can ride in a 17, which is my husbands size. My daughter is 16 1/2 also, so was perfect for Ynde, who has a shorter back. That’s my unprofessional opinion. Debby Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Saddles
This message is from: Lola Lahr lolal...@gmail.com My Free Form saddle leaves nice even sweat marks in all of the right places. It does not squash down on their backs,and they are never sore. I can't say the same for the treed saddles I've had - even the custom made ones. I do believe that what Gail said about the security of the treeless saddles. I feel like I'm really in a nice deep seat, and I can feel it immediately if there is any tension in the back. Yes. even with a saddle pad. My horses who have had bad experiences with saddles (rolling their eyes to the backs of their heads and tensing up when they see a . saddle coming), actually breathed a sigh of relief and relaxed as soon as they figured out that the saddle wasn't hurting in that spot. If the rider weighs over 200 pounds, treeless saddles are not recommended by the companies that make them. On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 7:58 AM, S K windyacre...@yahoo.com wrote: This message is from: S K windyacre...@yahoo.com Thank you for the reply LolaI'm very confused at the moment...so many conflicting answers...My trainer's girlfriend works at fitting horses to their saddles and she doesn't like the treeless due to the strain on the horse's backbut my trainer says they're greathm Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
RE: Saddles
This message is from: Gail Russell g...@zeliga.com I definitely agree about the Aussie saddles. So, why don't you just give me your Ricotti saddle that I know I love, and we're done. :) I do have a traditional saddle that I love, and that I have not come out of even in big spins, but there is no slot for my leg and I can only ride a short way before being in agony. You may be correct that a twist is necessary. I did try a Bob Marshall saddle 15 years ago and found my Fjord was totally outraged by it and I found it uncomfortable. I just thought they might have changed. Gail This message is from: Karen McCarthy weeg...@hotmail.com Balance? Seat?Adjustment (placement, pad)?All of this comes into play in either type of saddle. Sorry, Gail I can't buy that these riders stayed in their saddles just b/c they were treeless.That they are good riders, (or just got lucky!) Same w/ Aussie saddles. But please, this is just my personal experience.Not trying to be pro or con. From: g...@zeliga.com Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Saddles
This message is from: S K windyacre...@yahoo.com After much reading, I think I'll stick with the saddle with the tree...I'm not 200 lbs. but have been told by many, many people that these saddles may hurt the horses back..I don't want to hurt my horse's back..even though my trainer says Andy will let me know if it's hurting him...Don't want to put him through that Thanks everyone out there for all the very knowledgeable info! From: jern...@mosquitonet.com jern...@mosquitonet.com To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 1:30 PM Subject: Re: Saddles This message is from: jern...@mosquitonet.com Treeless saddles may not be good for a heavy rider: more of a strain on the horse's back. Light riders are OK Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska Thank you for the reply LolaI'm very confused at the moment...so many conflicting answers...My trainer's girlfriend works at fitting horses to their saddles and she doesn't like the treeless due to the strain on the horse's backbut my trainer says they're greathm Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: colors of fjords and treeless saddles
This message is from: Bonnie Morris morrisshado...@aol.com Regarding the white dun. I have a lovely Stallion Ironwood Lordalen. You can see some pictures of him on my facebook page http://www.facebook.com/#!/bonnie.morris.927 and some videos on my web site morrisshadowmt.com under sales and breeding. I need to get some more current pics up as he is now coming on 5 years this month and has really matured. He has always been very white. He has has some color changes as he has matured he now has dapples, but is still very white. Not sure what the exact criteria would be to qualify as white. Would be nice to here more on the subject. Have a great day! Bonnie Morris Western Wa I'd think that testing the dna, the hair sample, would show the color? Is that not so. I'm no scientist but that was just a thought that came to mind. To me he does look light brown. I remember having a discussion about my Langster, as he was very very light brown, and when you clipped him, he looked white. But no escaping those brown places, the knees, the head. Seems might be a difference in the line down the back but we need some expert owners of white duns to step forward. Show us some comparison pictures. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Bob Marshall Saddles
This message is from: Toni toekn...@frontier.com About Bob Marshall saddles, I have had no problems with them slipping. I have always been a well balanced rider. I believe a lot of the slippage problems have to do with poor balance. That said, it doesn't take very much off balance riding to cause a saddle to slip. Having a more dominant side can cause it. (sitting deeper into one hip than another, for example) Then, the opposite leg (stirrup) has to push more in order to balance; or, the opposite shoulder or side of the body (rib cage) collapses to counter act the off balance seat. A person may not even feel it, and it may not be very discernable to an observer. But just that little bit can cause a saddle to slip during riding. I am not saying saddles don't slip because of poor fit. I am saying that I believe most slippage problems have to do with balance issues. I am now 60 years old and still ride bareback most of the time. I have a few pilates tapes that I use about twice a week to keep my core strength up. I don't have any more time to excercise than the next person, but I decided it was important to me. I hope I have 30+ more years of riding in me, but one never knows, and at my age, I'm leaving nothing to chance. Toni P.S. Make sure you have a good saddle pad under the saddle. The folks at Bob Marshall can advise you with that. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
RE: colors of fjords and treeless saddles
This message is from: Karen McCarthy weeg...@hotmail.com Bonnie. I would think that as an owner of a breeding stallion with a rare color (white dun), you would know more about breeding this color and what is inhereited (or not) depending on differnt matings. On the NFHR site you can see some info re. coat color definitions in the NFHR Eval Handbook, Sec. III, Page 3. And here is a link to Phil Sponenberg's artcile 'Color in Fjord Horses':http://www.nfhr.com/catalog/index.php?colorgen=1 I have only owned one stallion in my lifetime and he was a brown dun, and my mares are all brown duns, so I was not too pre-occupied with worring about what color the resulting progeny would be. I was more concerned, (and still am) with conformation and character.I do agree that in order to maintain genetic diversity in this breed, keeping the different coat colors active w/in the breed is very important.I hope some of the breeders of white duns can help clue you in.Also, from the pics on your FB page, Lordalen is a nice looking young stallion. I hope you will have him evaluated in the NFHR programthe next time there is an Eval in your area. Karen in blazing HOT central Oregon To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: colors of fjords and treeless saddles From: morrisshado...@aol.com Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 14:45:50 -0400 This message is from: Bonnie Morris morrisshado...@aol.com Regarding the white dun. I have a lovely Stallion Ironwood Lordalen He has always been very white. Not sure what the exact criteria would be to qualify as white. Would be nice to here more on the subject. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Bob Marshall Saddles
This message is from: S K windyacre...@yahoo.com Thank you so much ToniWe're the same ageYour much more experienced than I am for sure! Happy Riding!! Susan From: Toni toekn...@frontier.com To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 5:12 PM Subject: Bob Marshall Saddles This message is from: Toni toekn...@frontier.com About Bob Marshall saddles, I have had no problems with them slipping. I have always been a well balanced rider. I believe a lot of the slippage problems have to do with poor balance. That said, it doesn't take very much off balance riding to cause a saddle to slip. Having a more dominant side can cause it. (sitting deeper into one hip than another, for example) Then, the opposite leg (stirrup) has to push more in order to balance; or, the opposite shoulder or side of the body (rib cage) collapses to counter act the off balance seat. A person may not even feel it, and it may not be very discernable to an observer. But just that little bit can cause a saddle to slip during riding. I am not saying saddles don't slip because of poor fit. I am saying that I believe most slippage problems have to do with balance issues. I am now 60 years old and still ride bareback most of the time. I have a few pilates tapes that I use about twice a week to keep my core strength up. I don't have any more time to excercise than the next person, but I decided it was important to me. I hope I have 30+ more years of riding in me, but one never knows, and at my age, I'm leaving nothing to chance. Toni P.S. Make sure you have a good saddle pad under the saddle. The folks at Bob Marshall can advise you with that. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: colors of fjords and treeless saddles
This message is from: Bonnie Morris morrisshado...@aol.com Hello everyone Karen yes I have studied this chart and color crosses long before I ever got into breeding, but that was not the topic I thought was being address, but the shade variences within the white and when it is actually considered a light brown the color as brought up with earlier posts. I believe someone had asked for more pictures of whites and imput from others who owned them. An interesting topic for disussion. I think as a breeder it is very nice thing to look at all aspects of the breed including the different colors and what can give you the light dark variences with in the individual colors. Yes this is just one part of the breed not important to some, but very interesting to learn about to me. Thank you for shareing Solvieg it will be fun to see what colors and shades emerge. In Norway they actually have different designations for the various shades of brown dun - so you can have a brown or a light brown.��We have bred Viljar to one very light mare, one grey, and one darker mare -�it will be interesting to see if we get darker or lighter offspring out of him, depending on if he throws the cremello or not. � Solveig�Watanabe Bonnie. I would think that as an owner of a breeding stallion with a rare color (white dun), you would know more about breeding this color and what is inhereited (or not) depending on differnt matings. On the NFHR site you can see some info re. coat color definitions in the NFHR Eval Handbook, Sec. III, Page 3. And here is a link to Phil Sponenberg's artcile 'Color in Fjord Horses':http://www.nfhr.com/catalog/index.php?colorgen=1 I have only owned one stallion in my lifetime and he was a brown dun, and my mares are all brown duns, so I was not too pre-occupied with worring about what color the resulting progeny would be. I was more concerned, (and still am) with conformation and character.I do agree that in order to maintain genetic diversity in this breed, keeping the different coat colors active w/in the breed is very important.I hope some of the breeders of white duns can help clue you in.Also, from the pics on your FB page, Lordalen is a nice looking young stallion. I hope you will have him evaluated in the NFHR programthe next time there is an Eval in your area. Karen in blazing HOT central Oregon Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
RE: Saddles
This message is from: S Sexton ssext...@hotmail.com Hmm, I'd say the trainer's girlfriend gets less weight to her comments than your trainer - after all, your trainer would have a better idea how you and your horses move and are conformed. Plus, the saddle fitter probably is wanting to sell you a saddle from her own stock/store... which makes her opinion likely more biased. Just my 2 cents, plus you can always do what Sparrow and I are trying - we're going to demo several different brands of treeless (along with trying some treed XW) saddles and see what WE like and go from there. If you figure to keep an open mind and find what fits your horse and you, who cares what the others think, they don't have to try and ride in it! LOL After all, just think how unhappy your horse would be in an ill fitting saddle, whether it's treed or treeless, and how unhappy you'd be in an ill fitting seat/twist and how that would make riding NO FUN - I try to focus on that and ignore the rest of the comments. I'm getting some heat for trying the treeless from some local dressage club big whigs, but I even tried some of their for sale treed saddles, and they didn't fit us either. So whatever it is that fits us both in the end is what I'll buy. Good Luck! I know it's frustrating and time consuming and costly, hope your hunt goes well and smoothly. StephanieKansas www.sextonstables.com/mares.html Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Saddles
This message is from: Patricia Pasqual tishpasq...@gmail.com I have an Ortho flex endurance (Patriot) saddle that has fit my horse very well throughout the 10 years I have been riding him with his varying degrees of fitness and weight. This is an old style Orthoflex made before the company changed hands - I don't know much about the newer ones, but have not heard great things about them. I also have an extra wide Stubben jumping saddle that I picked up at a tack sale for $100 (!!!). For dressage I use a Thornhill Klasse, extra wide that fits me and my horse perfectly. Elph is more of a riding style Fjord. I think it is really important to have a saddle fitter help you to get it right, as the horse's body type and fitness and your body type (length of legs, etc.) make such a big difference in how well a saddle works. I lucked out with the Ortho Flex (ordered it online and when it came had my trainer assess it and found it worked just fine) and the jumping saddle, but had the dressage saddle fitted to us. Tish and Elph in Minneapolis little snow, weird winter! But lots of riding! Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH-L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Saddles
This message is from: divingduoandcor...@comcast.net I have a very drafty mare in Denver. I ended up with the 7 gullet Cashel Trail saddle (with rounded skirt). I took a tracing of her withers and drew it on a poster, cut it out and took it with me. There are places on the internet that show how to do this. I had a DeSoto hand made endurance that basically came with the horse...and it wasn't wide enough. Wasn't made for her.I highly recommend that you take your horse, trainer and/or trusted person and go to a store that lets you bring your horse... I wish I had done that first. Would have saved alot of time and gas money. The weird thing is that some saddles fit the horse that didn't look wide enough . . . I also have an extra wide adjustable tree wintec that I love (weighs next to nothing). I figured that she may lose weight and firm up with work and she is, but haven't needed to go down in size yet. I didn't get into treeless, but I know some on the site have experience there. LOL now that I have been breaking in the Trail saddle, I am not sure I like it! I hope it gets more comfortable as it breaks in, but I seem to have trouble sitting in the right place in it... Good luck!! Beth, Bob, the Corgis and the Fjord - Original Message - From: julie haimowitz iamlogans...@gmail.com To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Sent: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 05:57:39 - (UTC) Subject: Saddles This message is from: julie haimowitz Hi everyone, wondering what saddles you are finding fit your Fjords best. I have an old western trail saddle that has seen better days for sure and am hoping to find something to fit my wide and short backed girl and be comfortable for me as well!! I mostly rode her around the property bareback which I love but am ready to hit the trails and think it probably safest to use a saddle! Thanks for any advice, Julie Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH-L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH-L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Saddles
This message is from: Kim Manzoni kim.manz...@yahoo.com Hi Julie, my Fjord isnt home yet and way to young to ever need a saddle now but I use Bob Marshall treeless saddles on all of my horses. They fit everything from the tall thin framed long backed Tn Walker to my fat stocky round foundation Quarter Horse. They come in various designs as well. With skirt, without...etc. Check them out. I love them. I especially love that I can feel the horse breathe and move under me. My QH had an issue with crowhopping - in a regular saddle I had no idea when he was about to explode. But in the treeless, I felt his back arch slightly and his back muscles tighten... it gave me that brief warning where I was able to change directions of his feet and get his mind off of the crowhop. He doesnt crowhop any more and I attribute it to the retraining I gave him with Natural Horsemanship and to my treeless saddle. :) From: julie haimowitz iamlogans...@gmail.com To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 12:57 AM Subject: Saddles This message is from: julie haimowitz iamlogans...@gmail.com Hi everyone, wondering what saddles you are finding fit your Fjords best. I have an old western trail saddle that has seen better days for sure and am hoping to find something to fit my wide and short backed girl and be comfortable for me as well!! I mostly rode her around the property bareback which I love but am ready to hit the trails and think it probably safest to use a saddle! Thanks for any advice, Julie Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH-L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH-L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Saddles
This message is from: Kim Manzoni kim.manz...@yahoo.com Hi Julie, my Fjord isnt home yet and way to young to ever need a saddle now but I use Bob Marshall treeless saddles on all of my horses. They fit everything from the tall thin framed long backed Tn Walker to my fat stocky round foundation Quarter Horse. They come in various designs as well. With skirt, without...etc. Check them out. I love them. I especially love that I can feel the horse breathe and move under me. My QH had an issue with crowhopping - in a regular saddle I had no idea when he was about to explode. But in the treeless, I felt his back arch slightly and his back muscles tighten... it gave me that brief warning where I was able to change directions of his feet and get his mind off of the crowhop. He doesnt crowhop any more and I attribute it to the retraining I gave him with Natural Horsemanship and to my treeless saddle. :) From: julie haimowitz iamlogans...@gmail.com To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 12:57 AM Subject: Saddles This message is from: julie haimowitz iamlogans...@gmail.com Hi everyone, wondering what saddles you are finding fit your Fjords best. I have an old western trail saddle that has seen better days for sure and am hoping to find something to fit my wide and short backed girl and be comfortable for me as well!! I mostly rode her around the property bareback which I love but am ready to hit the trails and think it probably safest to use a saddle! Thanks for any advice, Julie Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH-L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH-L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Saddles
This message is from: igs...@tds.net Ok, at the risk of becoming the most flamed person in Fjordie-land, I am going to weigh in on the saddle issue. To fit a fjord properly with any type of treed saddle, you need the right tree. I am sure you understand how a tree works - it is the wood or plastic skeleton that is designed to get your weight up and OFF your horse's spine. It is supposed to make good contact with your horse's back the entire length of the tree, while staying free of the shoulder area, so that the shoulder can swing freely. Most western saddles do not fit ANY horse except a very specific type of quarter horse because they are all using the same tree, all made by one company. It does not matter what you do with panels or gullets or whatever if the tree does not fit. There are only 2 companies in the US who still make their own trees. Billy Cook and Big Horn. I own 2 wide tree Billy Cooks and they are fabulous! I think that any one who saw my show saddle at the MWFHC show has to agree - fabulous tack that fits like a glove. I ride my BCs all the time, and I do not need a back cinch or a breastcollar or a specific type of cinch. My saddle does not slip because it FITS. If you need all kinds of rigging to keep your saddle in place, it does not fit. It is that simple. Think I am exaggerating? Let me tell you about my dumb-ass moment. I cleaned my saddle, and took the cinch completely off to clean it too. Re-attached it sort of half-assed on the off side (just enough to keep it physically on the saddle), thinking I would get it done properly at the barn. Got really busy and did not ride for a week or 2. Forgot about the cinch not being adjusted properly. Tacked up, jumped on, and did some ring work. We did serpentines and lots of trotting in circles, etc. At the end of the ride, I jumped off, and the saddle came off with me. The saddle did not slip around as long as I stayed balanced, because it fits! I can not speak to the issue of small manufacturers who custom make a saddle for you. If you are going to pay that kind of money, make sure you ask who made the tree. If it is a Steel (company, not material), save your money! Here's the part that is going to get me hate mail. My trainer grew up (literally) in a tack shop. Her mom is a fantastic tack fitter and award winning saddle designer. In my trainer's opinion, there were TWO saddles that fit properly at the recent fjord show. TWO! Mine and one other. (No, I do not know who the other one is.) Fjords are great at just sucking it up and carrying on. The fact that your horse is not bucking does not mean your saddle fits. Julie in Madison Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone, powered by CREDO Mobile. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Saddles
This message is from: Kathleen Prince kathl...@pookiebros.com Sounds like you are right to me. This is why I've been researching treeless saddles for my wide girls :-) -- Kathleen Prince kathl...@pookiebros.com Pookie Bros. Pet Sitting Professional Pet Care In Your Home! http://www.pookiebros.com On Sep 8, 2011, at 7:12 AM, igs...@tds.net wrote: This message is from: igs...@tds.net Ok, at the risk of becoming the most flamed person in Fjordie-land, I am going to weigh in on the saddle issue. To fit a fjord properly with any type of treed saddle, you need the right tree. I am sure you understand how a tree works - it is the wood or plastic skeleton that is designed to get your weight up and OFF your horse's spine. It is supposed to make good contact with your horse's back the entire length of the tree, while staying free of the shoulder area, so that the shoulder can swing freely. Most western saddles do not fit ANY horse except a very specific type of quarter horse because they are all using the same tree, all made by one company. It does not matter what you do with panels or gullets or whatever if the tree does not fit. There are only 2 companies in the US who still make their own trees. Billy Cook and Big Horn. I own 2 wide tree Billy Cooks and they are fabulous! I think that any one who saw my show saddle at the MWFHC show has to agree - fabulous tack that fits like a glove. I ride my BCs all the time, and I do not need a back cinch or a breastcollar or a specific type of cinch. My saddle does not slip because it FITS. If you need all kinds of rigging to keep your saddle in place, it does not fit. It is that simple. Think I am exaggerating? Let me tell you about my dumb-ass moment. I cleaned my saddle, and took the cinch completely off to clean it too. Re-attached it sort of half-assed on the off side (just enough to keep it physically on the saddle), thinking I would get it done properly at the barn. Got really busy and did not ride for a week or 2. Forgot about the cinch not being adjusted properly. Tacked up, jumped on, and did some ring work. We did serpentines and lots of trotting in circles, etc. At the end of the ride, I jumped off, and the saddle came off with me. The saddle did not slip around as long as I stayed balanced, because it fits! I can not speak to the issue of small manufacturers who custom make a saddle for you. If you are going to pay that kind of money, make sure you ask who made the tree. If it is a Steel (company, not material), save your money! Here's the part that is going to get me hate mail. My trainer grew up (literally) in a tack shop. Her mom is a fantastic tack fitter and award winning saddle designer. In my trainer's opinion, there were TWO saddles that fit properly at the recent fjord show. TWO! Mine and one other. (No, I do not know who the other one is.) Fjords are great at just sucking it up and carrying on. The fact that your horse is not bucking does not mean your saddle fits. Julie in Madison Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone, powered by CREDO Mobile. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Treeless Saddles
This message is from: Cherie Mascis vikinghorseri...@bellsouth.net I have an EZ Fit saddle and a Sensation Hybrid both work well on my super wide Fjord. The EZ Fit is westerny looking, but without a horn. It feels more like riding in a traditional saddle. The seat size, cinching and stirrup placement are all highly adjustable. The saddle's panels give good spinal clearance and are stiffer than many of the treeless. It threw me for a loop when I first got it because the sides seemed to stick out, but they quickly conform to the horse. It's handmade by a very nice Amish guy named Eli and the only complaint is the pommel looks a little funny, but the saddle is well made. The Sensations have been around for a while and come in several styles-English Trail, Dressage Trail, Hybrid, Western and a couple more. The saddle is the most comfy I've ever sat in and very secure feeling. There is a plastic piece inside (like a mini flex-tree) that is butterfly-shaped and a few horses are more comfortable with that piece removed (easy to do). Cherie Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Fjord Saddles
This message is from: =?utf-8?B?IGJyb21iaWxAZ29vZ2xlbWFpbC5jb20=?= brom...@googlemail.com I have the new style wintec fitted to my daughters fjord and he's in a wide plate. My fjord was too wide for them so she was fitted to an extra wide ideal highland and cob in a wide seat. I previously used a nickers sensation treeless which she went brilliantly in and was wonderfully comfy but need that for another youngester now! Sent from my HTC - Reply message - From: S Sexton ssext...@hotmail.com To: fjordiss...@yahoogroups.com, fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Fjord Saddles Date: Fri, May 13, 2011 23:21 This message is from: S Sexton ssext...@hotmail.com Hi Everyone, I'm still Fjord shopping but I've realized that I'm probably going to need a new saddle to go with a new horse. My current english all purpose saddle was a custom saddle I picked up used and it fit my very high withered TB like a glove... somehow I don't think it will fit a Fjord very well :) LOL I've been looking into saddles and was curious if many of you have experience with any of the adjustable tree saddles. I know that Wintec/Bates, Pessoa, HDR, and a number of other makers now offer changeable gullets or adjustable gullets. I was somewhat taken by the Tekna brand as they offer an adjustable tree that doesn't require changing parts, just turning a dial. They're also a synthetic saddle and would be somewhat cost effective since I would likely be purchasing 2 saddles - a dressage and an all purpose or a jumping/eventing saddle. Curious to hear any suggestions, especially for fitting a saddle or trying one out without a saddle fitter or saddle shop nearby. There is a tack store up in KC (3 hours away) but I would have to have any trial saddles shipped out so would be trying to find a good fit for horse and me in the shortest number of shipping costs. Also, any suggestions for a cheap saddle that might fight most Fjords that I could pick up now and ride in while I'm picking and fine tuning a nicer option once I get a horse? I saw a few $200 type saddles on horseloverz and M/W and Wide trees were options. Cheers, Stephanie Kansas PS - If anyone knows of a good saddle for those of us who are short (5'3) without going custom, I'd welcome that info too! I'm a bit too curvy (okay, it's extra weight) for a pony saddle and those little 16 seats! Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: [FjordIssues] Fjord Saddles
This message is from: Julia Webb jemw...@hotmail.com Stephanie, I went with an American Flex saddle after filtering through the archives on both Fjord lists. I'm 5'2-3 and plump too, so, while I liked the idea of treeless, I knew I'd need a tree to keep me from hurting my horse. You can see my actual saddle here (the maker liked what I had ordered so much she took pictures for the page): http://www.american-flex.com/caliente.htm but you will see they have LOTS of different styles. The system uses delrin panels, but there's a solid tree on top attached with swivel ball joints. Rider gets the support and lift of a tree (keeping her off the horses' backs), but the horse gets free shoulder movement and excellent fit of a tree-less panel. I wanted to spend the money on one good saddle that I could use on pretty much anybody, and this is it. I've used it on a tiny arabs, a Fjord, a bowling ball of a Morgan, a warmblood-style Andalusian, a classical dressage Andalusian (very different builds), and I've had friends and trainers use it on quarter horses, percherons and TB crosses. Everybody's amazed at how well it fits, and how well the horses go in it. I use mine for trail riding and Californio style dressage. If you want, when we get moved out there, we can hook up and you can come see mine. (And no...I don't get money from this outfit...I just REALLY like my saddle!) Best, Julia Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Fjord Saddles
This message is from: S Sexton ssext...@hotmail.com Hi Everyone, I'm still Fjord shopping but I've realized that I'm probably going to need a new saddle to go with a new horse. My current english all purpose saddle was a custom saddle I picked up used and it fit my very high withered TB like a glove... somehow I don't think it will fit a Fjord very well :) LOL I've been looking into saddles and was curious if many of you have experience with any of the adjustable tree saddles. I know that Wintec/Bates, Pessoa, HDR, and a number of other makers now offer changeable gullets or adjustable gullets. I was somewhat taken by the Tekna brand as they offer an adjustable tree that doesn't require changing parts, just turning a dial. They're also a synthetic saddle and would be somewhat cost effective since I would likely be purchasing 2 saddles - a dressage and an all purpose or a jumping/eventing saddle. Curious to hear any suggestions, especially for fitting a saddle or trying one out without a saddle fitter or saddle shop nearby. There is a tack store up in KC (3 hours away) but I would have to have any trial saddles shipped out so would be trying to find a good fit for horse and me in the shortest number of shipping costs. Also, any suggestions for a cheap saddle that might fight most Fjords that I could pick up now and ride in while I'm picking and fine tuning a nicer option once I get a horse? I saw a few $200 type saddles on horseloverz and M/W and Wide trees were options. Cheers, Stephanie Kansas PS - If anyone knows of a good saddle for those of us who are short (5'3) without going custom, I'd welcome that info too! I'm a bit too curvy (okay, it's extra weight) for a pony saddle and those little 16 seats! Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: Fjord Saddles
This message is from: Teressa tere...@kodiakfishco.com To be honest, I have friends with high withered horses and other issues that are far harder to fit than my fjords. I would wait till you get your horse as the fjords vary in fit just as much as any other breed. And your horse's saddle fit will change as they get more (or less) fit. Teressa -Original Message- From: owner-fjordho...@angus.mystery.com [mailto:owner-fjordho...@angus.mystery.com] On Behalf Of S Sexton Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 3:22 PM To: fjordiss...@yahoogroups.com; fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Fjord Saddles This message is from: S Sexton ssext...@hotmail.com Hi Everyone, I'm still Fjord shopping but I've realized that I'm probably going to need a new saddle to go with a new horse. My current english all purpose saddle was a custom saddle I picked up used and it fit my very high withered TB like a glove... somehow I don't think it will fit a Fjord very well :) LOL I've been looking into saddles and was curious if many of you have experience with any of the adjustable tree saddles. I know that Wintec/Bates, Pessoa, HDR, and a number of other makers now offer changeable gullets or adjustable gullets. I was somewhat taken by the Tekna brand as they offer an adjustable tree that doesn't require changing parts, just turning a dial. They're also a synthetic saddle and would be somewhat cost effective since I would likely be purchasing 2 saddles - a dressage and an all purpose or a jumping/eventing saddle. Curious to hear any suggestions, especially for fitting a saddle or trying one out without a saddle fitter or saddle shop nearby. There is a tack store up in KC (3 hours away) but I would have to have any trial saddles shipped out so would be trying to find a good fit for horse and me in the shortest number of shipping costs. Also, any suggestions for a cheap saddle that might fight most Fjords that I could pick up now and ride in while I'm picking and fine tuning a nicer option once I get a horse? I saw a few $200 type saddles on horseloverz and M/W and Wide trees were options. Cheers, Stephanie Kansas PS - If anyone knows of a good saddle for those of us who are short (5'3) without going custom, I'd welcome that info too! I'm a bit too curvy (okay, it's extra weight) for a pony saddle and those little 16 seats! Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
saddles
This message is from: brass-ring-f...@juno.com The Ortho-Flex works well for us. Fjords don't get any rounder than my drafty girl, and the OF works quite well for her. Valerie Columbia, CT $65/Hr Job - 25 Openings Part-Time job ($20-$65/hr). Requirements: Home Internet Access http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4d557f56f12f03c80em03vuc Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
saddles and Western dressage
This message is from: bbd...@aol.com Laurie, Why not demo a Barefoot treeless? I have a Barefoot Missoula saddle that I dabble in Western dressage with. It certainly solves the bridging problem and the changeable pommels come in a really wide width. The Barefoot Arizona looks nice, too, and they are not too expensive. Isn't the new Western dressage exciting? We are all equal now...haha..don't need a QH or paint to get good scores in western dressage! I'm a bit confused about the rules, though. Bonnie Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Wide Dressage saddles on sale
This message is from: jern...@mosquitonet.com Check this out! Classic Saddlery has some great english saddles on sale! http://www.classicsaddlery.com/closeouts/toulouseparini.htm This one really caught my attention! Octavio in beautiful doubled black leather, soft, supple, breaks in immediately. This is a generous fit for broader backed horses. XX-wide will fit the almost impossibly wide horse. 17, 17.5 and 18 in wide, x-wide and xx-wide Retail: $1295.00 Sale: $999.00 with fittings CLEARANCE: $725.00 CLEARANCE W/ LEATHERS/IRONS: $799.00* Let me say I have no connection with this company, just thought you folks with WIDE Fjords might be interested! Jean in Fairbanks, Alask, warmed up to +4 this morning! Break out the shorts! Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: saddles
This message is from: Debbie Hunt huntdebbi...@yahoo.com Hi Group: I, too, purchased a Duett Tango 36 cm. It works well with my boy and is very comfortable for me. I highly recommend this saddle. I am so pleased with the Duett that I am considering purchasing a Duett jump saddle as we are doing a little jumping now and the Tango is not a jump saddle. Debbie and Ivar in KY Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Saddles for fjords
This message is from: Caroline Warren caroline.war...@att.net I have two Duett saddles, a dressage and an all purpose, and am quite happy with them, after buying three other saddles that appeared to fit but were so uncomfortable for my burly fjord mare she would hop when trotting. I use the dressage saddle all the time and it barely shows any wear. I think it comes with long flaps, too. Caroline in wet but fairly balmy Chico, CA Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
saddles
This message is from: Rose or Murph roseormu...@ywave.com Hello Everyone, In response to the saddles. I went through the long saddle search also. I knew by looking at my old saddle that it was not wide enough and sat too high on my Fjord 's back. I could not get a decent trot, it felt short and stifled, and just plain weird from behind. What I felt under saddle did not match how she looked running around the pasture. She also had some tripping, under saddle that would happen out of the blue. Thus my search for a saddle that fit my mare and myself began. After several saddle trials, I purchased a Duett Tango. They are built for wide horses. My mare fits in a 38 cm, the widest the saddles come in are 42 CM. It is outside the norm, being a cross between a dressage saddle, and an all purpose allowing me to ride with a longer leg. It has a very soft plush seat built to spend hours in it on a trail ride. It is like a VSD type saddle. I am able to mount without it rolling, which is a first for me for saddles with this mare. I knew as soon as I picked up the trot that my mare liked this saddle. It made such a difference in her movement. Her shoulders are now free, and I am still amazed at my little mare's trot. It is elevated, and she quickly covers ground. There has not been any tripping, even when she is tired. She is my first Fjord, I was nervous about her having the small horse gaits that are just not comfortable ride. I now don't worry, and am so very pleased with my little yellow powerhouse. She has COMFORTABLE gaits that I enjoy riding. She is more comfortable than my big now retired percheron-quarter horse mix. My Fjordie and I are happy, happy, happy in this saddle. She popped in to the canter yesterday and that felt pretty nice too. Rosemary in Roy, wa It was sunny today. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
saddles
This message is from: bbd...@aol.com Hello All, I just thought I should share this. I'm sure many of you have found the perfect dressage saddle for your Fjords, but for anyone suffering from MITS (maybe it's the saddle syndrome) this might be something to look into. After many years of frustration with saddle fit and practically giving up dressage (which I love) because I couldn't find a properly fitted saddle.the search has finally come to an end. I do have an Amerigo DJ jump saddle that fits my boys perfectly, but their dressage models were never just right although the Alto came close for one of my boys. I called Robin Moore from World Equestrian Brands (she had fitted my boys for the DJ Jump) out of curiosityand it proved to be a worthwhile call. They had one dressage saddle built on the DJ Jump tree and wow!!! It fits so perfectlyonly need a thin pad. Yes, the new Amerigo saddles are expensive, but I have seen the DJ jump on Ebay for much less than retail. For the first time, my little Fjord can lengthen without shoulder interference and the panels are short enough so there is no loin rubbing. I would probably be able to fit many other types of saddles, but I have long legs and need a 17 1/2 seat, hence making the panels longer on a short-backed horse. Robin explained why the DJ tree fits them so welland it all made sense. And yes, I've tried every treeless saddle on the market ...they are wonderful! I still trail ride in treeless. However, a treed saddle that fits absolutely perfectly nothing can compare. Love my DJ Dressage! So, any tall dressage riders on short-backed Fords? Am I the only one who has gone through years of saddle-fit Hades? Regards: Bonnie in Fl Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: treeless saddles
This message is from: Carol Trujillo caroling...@gmail.com My treeless Bob Marshall sport saddle (endurance style, several years old -- thick neoprene over sheepskin) stayed put just fine the two times my fjord spooked and bucked. (I came off cleanly both times, flying-squirrel style.) I did not use a crupper, and the saddle usually slid forward onto his shoulders when descending hills. Last year I switched to a saddle with a tree, however, after my fjord was consistently sore in his lower back. I tried rest, chiropractic treatments, and an assortment of pads, including the recommended Skito pad, but he would still sore. My treeless sadddle certainly was the lightest and most comfortable saddle I've owned, and it was nice feeling my horse; I guess it was not so nice for him to feel me. We've had no soreness with the new saddle. I have two neighbors who trail ride with treeless saddles -- a Barefoot and a Bob Marshall western style barrel saddle, and they love them. Good luck! -- Carol in 104-degree Southern California Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: keep us posted on the treeless saddles
This message is from: Julia Webb jemw...@hotmail.com Hi Angie, Thanks to some recommendations in the archives of this and another fjord list, I bought an American-Flex saddle, and I LOVE IT. I wanted the flexibility of a treeless, but I'm a heavier rider and prefer a narrow twist. The saddle I bought has a tree for the seat, but it's attached to a panel system with ball joints for the horse. I've used it on everything from my little morgan (who is built like a bowling ball: black and round in all directions) to an arabian, to a warmblood-like large andalusian, and even a percheron. And... oh yes, a fjord! ;-) It fit everyone beautifully, with good contact, free shoulder movement, and a nice dry channel over the top of the spine despite my 205 pound physique. -Julia Wellington, CO On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 6:46 PM, Gary Angie Proper agap...@mhcable.comwrote: This message is from: Gary Angie Proper agap...@mhcable.com I am interested in hearing updates on those using treeless saddles. Angie Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: keep us posted on the treeless saddles
This message is from: Lola Lahr lolal...@gmail.com I use a Freeform treeless saddle - going on 6 years now- and love it! No problems with it that I haven't seen or experienced in treed saddles. I have 7 horses of different shapes and sized (2 Fjords) and it fits all of them. Very comfortable even on LONG trail rides. *Your balanced seat is as important with a treeless as it is with a treed saddle.* What's really nice about a treeless saddle is that I can feel my horse's back, and I sit deeper in it vs a treed saddle, so I'm more aware of any tensing up, and I feel like I'm a little more glued to my horse's back. On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 6:46 PM, Gary Angie Proper agap...@mhcable.comwrote: This message is from: Gary Angie Proper agap...@mhcable.com I am interested in hearing updates on those using treeless saddles. Angie Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
saddles
This message is from: Bonnie lierm...@lakefield.net Melinda: years ago I bought an Australian saddle. I really love the way they look. Mine was a cheaper one, but I found that the legs are too far forward. I felt like I was sitting in a chair with my legs ahead of me. So it was difficult to sit with my heels below me, in line with my shoulder. I'm just mentioning this, in case you try one out. bonnie Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
extra wide saddles for fjords
This message is from: Debby miss.am...@earthlink.net I'd used extra wide and still had issues of the saddle moving side to side and pommel too high. I finally had a fitter come by, she was on her way to a symposium in Austin and was within an hour of me on her way. Both of mine are extra extra wide. I did get saddles through her, they weren't cheap but they will be the last saddles I get. I can tell a huge difference. Just tacking up, putting them on their backs, they just fit into the right place...I've never had either saddle go off to the side whether mounting or riding. I do know someone that had an extra wide wintec, dressage, and she had a welder help her widen the extra wide just a tad bit enough to make it fit her well sprung morgans. I know we'd tried it on one of mine and it seemed to work ok. Debby in Tx Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Fjords and saddles
This message is from: brass-ring-f...@juno.com My Fjord mare has a very round back. The ortho-flex fits her nicely but I do notice when we go down steep hills, it feels like it is going to tip way forward. It is English rigging so I can't put a back cinch on it. It is plenty tight enough. It does not roll side to side, just this pitching forward feeling on somewhat extreme terrain. I have had 2 Fjords, both have been hard to fit in that they are so roly poly. The other horses I have had have been Morgans. Even the most round ones do not compare to the no-withers-at-all of these 2 Fjords. For the English saddle on the other Fjord I used the Limpet pad which kind of bonded with her skin. This Fjord now though, has an itchy problem which manifests in her rolling as soon as the saddle is pulled off (and 4x while I was riding her), so I do not want to use neoprene or anything that makes her sweat (or itch) more. Just adding my 2 cents worth that - yes - Fjords are hard to fit. Valerie Columbia, CT Auto Insurance Quotes Get competitive auto insurance quotes. Save up to 35%. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=NOp4nNzcsbmE7oYm7NsDTAAAJ1DoZB7TN1OB7dhFT6MgUtS2AAQFANjuvz4AAAMlAAQlCQA= Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: selling saddles
This message is from: dgant...@comcast.net --Go on the Albion website, they usually have a link to used saddles - dimensions - etc. I LOVE my Albion on my 'wider' traditional fjord, Olav, it has a nice deep seat, super comfortable...I bought it used, on ebay, for $1000.00 free shipping - about 6 yrs ago, they can tell you where to look on the flaps for the info re: size etc. I will recommend this saddle to anyonemy son has competed in it - eventing- and our eventing horse Bjorn loves wearing it...Albions are worth their weight in goldgood luck! This message is from: laura fisher laura_fishe...@hotmail.com Hello out there- I own an Albion Original Comfort dressage saddle that I want to sell. I have looked on the internet and have seen that it has actually held its' price, even a little more, but when I check some dressage used saddle sites they list them around $950.00 and not the $1200.or more. This is because of the recession. My problem is: how do I represent this saddle? I don't know how wide the gullet is(do they have a gullet?- do I list the flaps the billets the wool pading etc.etc. or do I just assume they know what An Albion Origi I had a quarterhorse when I used it so I think it has a wide tree. But is the gullet in front?Underneath?... I was wondering whether I could use a measureing tape so someone would know all the dimensions and put the photos in my ad. Would their knowing the dimendsions inable them to purchace the saddle with confidence? The saddle is in great shape- just a tiny scrape on the front edge(gullet?) I do not want to get into returns policy for such a heavy objec espcially when I am not going to get top dollar for it. Has anyone gone through this process? ...I waant to get it out there and get it on Ebay as soon as I can because I need a saddle to fit my Fjord. Thanks! laura _ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail�. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutoria l_QuickAdd_062009 Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: Laura selling saddles
This message is from: laura fisher laura_fishe...@hotmail.com ...I know how wonderful this saddle is. I tried many dressage saddles and after a half hour or so riding dressage they would become torture devices. (To anyone out there who knows me I lived in NJ for a few years and was lucky enough to keep my horse at a dressage barn. ) I had no clue what saddle to buy so I begged other riders if I could try theirs'. Some people were gracious and other were emphatically notThen someone in the barn came in on an Albion.A...I will never forget it.! ...I asked if I could possibly sit in it and the answer was yes ..Oh my GOSH! This saddle is made for women! The problem is that I have lost over 50+ pounds and it doesn't feel right. Elise hated it and I couldn't stay balanced...I could try one more time? I intend to jump and do ring work, but can anyone tell me this is the problem? I am not going to gain the weight back so I can ride the saddle... :( I guess someone will scoff this baby up. ;( Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:29:39 + From: dgant...@comcast.net To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: selling saddles This message is from: dgant...@comcast.net --Go on the Albion website, they usually have a link to used saddles - dimensions - etc. I LOVE my Albion on my 'wider' traditional fjord, Olav, it has a nice deep seat, super comfortable...I bought it used, on ebay, for $1000.00 free shipping - about 6 yrs ago, they can tell you where to look on the flaps for the info re: size etc. I will recommend this saddle to anyonemy son has competed in it - eventing- and our eventing horse Bjorn loves wearing it...Albions are worth their weight in goldgood luck! This message is from: laura fisher laura_fishe...@hotmail.com Hello out there- I own an Albion Original Comfort dressage saddle that I want to sell. I have looked on the internet and have seen that it has actually held its' price, even a little more, but when I check some dressage used saddle sites they list them around $950.00 and not the $1200.or more. This is because of the recession. My problem is: how do I represent this saddle? I don't know how wide the gullet is(do they have a gullet?- do I list the flaps the billets the wool pading etc.etc. or do I just assume they know what An Albion Origi I had a quarterhorse when I used it so I think it has a wide tree. But is the gullet in front?Underneath?... I was wondering whether I could use a measureing tape so someone would know all the dimensions and put the photos in my ad. Would their knowing the dimendsions inable them to purchace the saddle with confidence? The saddle is in great shape- just a tiny scrape on the front edge(gullet?) I do not want to get into returns policy for such a heavy objec espcially when I am not going to get top dollar for it. Has anyone gone through this process? ...I waant to get it out there and get it on Ebay as soon as I can because I need a saddle to fit my Fjord. Thanks! laura _ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail�. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutoria l_QuickAdd_062009 Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f _ Microsoft brings you a new way to search the web. Try Bing now http://www.bing.com?form=MFEHPGpubl=WLHMTAGcrea=TEXT_MFEHPG_Core_tagline_try bing_1x1 Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
selling saddles
This message is from: laura fisher laura_fishe...@hotmail.com Hello out there- I own an Albion Original Comfort dressage saddle that I want to sell. I have looked on the internet and have seen that it has actually held its' price, even a little more, but when I check some dressage used saddle sites they list them around $950.00 and not the $1200.or more. This is because of the recession. My problem is: how do I represent this saddle? I don't know how wide the gullet is(do they have a gullet?- do I list the flaps the billets the wool pading etc.etc. or do I just assume they know what An Albion Origi I had a quarterhorse when I used it so I think it has a wide tree. But is the gullet in front?Underneath?... I was wondering whether I could use a measureing tape so someone would know all the dimensions and put the photos in my ad. Would their knowing the dimendsions inable them to purchace the saddle with confidence? The saddle is in great shape- just a tiny scrape on the front edge(gullet?) I do not want to get into returns policy for such a heavy objec espcially when I am not going to get top dollar for it. Has anyone gone through this process? ...I waant to get it out there and get it on Ebay as soon as I can because I need a saddle to fit my Fjord. Thanks! laura _ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail®. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutoria l_QuickAdd_062009 Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Fjord-wide Saddles on Ebay
This message is from: Jacqueline F. Colson jcol...@acsalaska.net Hello, I just posted in the FH-L classified ads about two w-i-d-e, 17 English saddles that I have listed on Ebay. One is a Wintec Wide All Purpose (Item number: 280400485579) and the other is Kieffer Wien dressage (Item number: 280401166385). Bidding is slow these days, so if you are saddle shopping, you might get a real deal. Jackie Colson Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
List of Fjordie saddles
This message is from: mypump...@windstream.net Also I am consolidating a list of fjord approved :) saddles based on riders recommendations that I'll post herelater. Anyone else want to add their favorite western English or endurance saddle choices for fjordies. I am ready to buy a saddle for my jumbo wide boy Willi. I have tried a Circle Y Arabian, and liked it, so I think that is what I am about to splurge on. This is my 2nd post here...I got Shome Villi (Willi) in June, he turned 5 in July. He is young and green, and I am older than I want to be and green. We have our whoa down mostly pat, and our steering capabilities have greatly improved! We may actually get out in the 'real world' soon! Kathy and Willi, from Upstate South Carolina. Fall? What fall? It is as green as Springtime around here, from the copius amounts of rain we have gotten. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
all quiet on the list, heres some saddles if you're interested
This message is from: Debby miss.am...@earthlink.net I have relisted two saddles on ebay, lowered the price...I need to buy tack and money is tight. All information is on the items on ebay, but if you do have any questions, please write me off list. #320420351802 and #320420170891. My Lang has been at a rehab this month, doing water treadmill, I have a picture if anyone would like to see, its helping to keep him in shape, in this hot weather and hopefully strengthening his backend. Ynde goes to a dressage trainer for 60days, come the 19th of this month, we'd put it off hoping for cooler weather...I'm sure she'll be the first to get worked in the a.m.s She surely does not like this heat. That makes two of us. Wish I had the money to buy one of these water treadmills, wonder the cost? I know the owner of this place uses it herself...not sure I would, they keep the water clean/filtered, but it still looks kind of ucky to me...course they have a barn full going through it everyday. Stay cool. Debby in Tx Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Western saddles
This message is from: Tonja Acker-Richards tacke...@aol.com Ok so now that I've got some super english saddle ideas for Fjords what do ya'll think are good western choices? Some how I ended up with a fjord with a need for speed! Tonja Acker-Richards Pond House Farm Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Speaking of saddles...
This message is from: jgayle jga...@techline.com Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: Speaking of saddles...
This message is from: Jim Barnhart jb...@sleepyeyetel.net We use Tuckers on our fjords. We have the High Plains Gen 1 models. They have the wide tree, not the extra wide tree but that might work well too. We have a 21 year old that is a little bit sway backed. His set up has a 5 star wool pad first. Then on top of that we have a small gel pad that is an English pad that we use to build up the sway back. On top of that I fold a bath towel to add a little ore build up. (I fold it to make kind of like a bar bell - skinny in the middle over the spine and built up on the sides). Add a wool smart cinch and the high plains Tucker and it's a great set up. We've rode Ranec many miles in this configuration and it's been very good for him. There have been no rub marks, etc. He is a very draft fjord, 14.2 hands. My wife rides in the same saddle on her fjord which is not as drafty and not sway backed. She uses a Professional's Choice Air Ride pad under the high plains with a smart cinch. Punkie doesn't have any issues with this saddle, but no matter what saddle we put on him if he's ridden a lot in the summer he can get some white marks on his sides. They shed out when he sheds his coat and it's never something he ever gets sores with. Jim Kay Barnhart Mazeppa MN 507-843- jb...@sleepyeyetel.net -Original Message- From: owner-fjordho...@angus.mystery.com [mailto:owner-fjordho...@angus.mystery.com] On Behalf Of Carol Trujillo Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 6:03 AM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Speaking of saddles... This message is from: Carol Trujillo caroling...@gmail.com Anyone ride a Tucker saddle on their drafty fjord? Which model? Likes and dislikes? Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Speaking of saddles...
This message is from: Carol Trujillo caroling...@gmail.com Anyone ride a Tucker saddle on their drafty fjord? Which model? Likes and dislikes? I wanted a treed saddle for better weight distribution than my treeless Bob Marshall endurance saddle, which I use for trail riding and dinking around. I bought the Wintec Wide all-purpose for my fjord and use the middle of the three gullet bars provided. Seems to fit him and gives his shoulders plenty of room but I feel like I'm sitting on a potato chip. It's much better for dinking around than long rides as I found it harder on the seat bones and the English style stirrups foot numbing. (Hey but we look good.) I've done more chewing and licking :) on saddles than trying/buying and noticed ValleyVet has Tuckers to trial... -- Carol in San Diego (relishing spending daylight before and after work with my ponies!) Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Speaking of saddles...
This message is from: coy...@acrec.com coy...@acrec.com Yes. My husband and I ride in the Cheyenne model with a wide tree. Very comfortable for humans with the gel seat. It fits our round withered Fjords just fine, but there's enough gullet height for Fjords with nice withers too. I think the Tuckers now come in an extra wide tree. We don't need that, but I suppose the extra wide would better fit some larger, very round horses. I like my saddle with round skirts better than my husband's with the square ones. If a saddle with square skirts is all you can get, however, it will probably work fine. The only complaint, if you can call it that, is that the fenders are difficult to turn so the stirrups are oriented correctly. The flexible leather used has refused to take a permanent set, regardless of what I try. Rather than fuss forever with broomsticks or alter the stirrup leathers by putting a half twist in them, I solved the problem by installing stirrup straight gadgets that rotate the stirrup 90 degrees to the fender. Works pretty good. DeeAnna Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: dressage saddles
This message is from: Lorna David brom...@googlemail.com I have the Sensation Hybrid too love it! -Original Message- From: owner-fjordho...@angus.mystery.com [mailto:owner-fjordho...@angus.mystery.com] On Behalf Of Kristen L. Andersen Sent: 15 July 2009 04:11 To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: dressage saddles This message is from: Kristen L. Andersen w6...@me.com I have the Sensation Hybrid and love it! It is a great fit for round backed horses and I have never felt more comfortable, connected and balanced. -Kristen on Catalina Island On Jul 14, 2009, at 7:40 PM, Cherie Mascis wrote: This message is from: Cherie Mascis vikinghorseri...@bellsouth.net Debby, Sensation makes a treeless dressage saddle for about $1,000 that fits most fjords nicely. They have a more casual trail version and a formal one. Super comfy! They have demos you can try. Since I trail ride, I use the Hybrid model. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: dressage saddles
This message is from: Heather Baskey cavy_l...@yahoo.com Barefoot (Treeless) just came out with a new spiffy Dressage saddle called the Lexington. It will be available in September 2009. Just when I was convinced to go with the Wintec Wide (Parelli totes if you cannot afford their Fluidity Dressage to go with this one) - then Barefoot comes out with a nice one in the Lexington. More to lick/chew on. Heather __ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: dressage saddles
This message is from: kngould kngo...@earthlink.net The only Wintec that fits my Fjords is the Isabella, and it fits both well Kim - Original Message - From: Debby miss.am...@earthlink.net To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 10:10 PM Subject: dressage saddles This message is from: Debby miss.am...@earthlink.net Can anyone and everyone who does dressage with their fjords please tell me what brand dressage saddles they use. I'm looking for one to fit both horses, and both use extra wide trees...One of the horses does have a shorter back, so thats something to consider. I have a nice saddle but it does not fit me, it puts me in a chair position as I'm too short...I need the saddle to really help with my position. But, and this is a biggy, I cannot spend 4000. I'm being told by a retailer to get the one to fit my horses and myself, thats how much money I will have to spend. I am an amateur rider, I love dressage, I've finally found a trainer that is going to take the younger one in September and October for undersaddle work, along with me getting lessons...I hope to haul my gelding for lessons too, and if need be, put him with her for a month. But I need a saddle. I have one of the wintec dressage saddles, too HARD for my seat. I want it comfy for me and the horses and right position...is that too much to ask for and not spend more than 2500.? I'd have liked the Vega monoflap, but she said it wouldn't fit the fjords as it doesn't come wide enough. At the most I will take lessons and hopefully hopefully maybe do a clinic here and there...but I won't show...I do this for me and only for me, and the horses of course. So dressage or eventers, what dressage saddles do you ride your fjords in... thanks all. Debby Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: dressage saddles
This message is from: Sarah Clarke sarahmagdalencla...@yahoo.com I use a wintec all purpose when riding the younger horses. when I am ready to do a lot of sitting trot I move them to my aging Kieffer Wein. It was originally purchased to fit a 17 hand Tb, but fits all 4 of my adult fjords fine - but none are really drafty. however neither saddle is overly padded. (I have sufficient padding already). Maybe you can just add a seat saver (sheepskin) to an otherwise well fiting saddle? --- On Tue, 7/14/09, Debby miss.am...@earthlink.net wrote: This message is from: Debby miss.am...@earthlink.net Can anyone and everyone who does dressage with their fjords please tell me what brand dressage saddles they use. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: dressage saddles
This message is from: Karen McCarthy weeg...@hotmail.com I ride a Laser 200 dressage saddle. The tree is adjustable w/ a small allen wrench (much easier IMO than the gullet plate wrestling I had to do on my Wintec Isabell - yuk!) The Laser really has nice panels and it fits through the back really well. I was lucky to find it used on the CDList of all places. I also ride a Hubertus all purpose (w/ a dressage tendency) that is very wide - similar to a Duett saddle. I like the seat on the Laser better though, and use the Hubertus for a backup or for the fatties.. Here's a link to the Laser: http://www.laserequestrian.com/Dressage.htm#200D :: Karen McCarthy :: Great Basin Fjords :: Madras, Oregon :: http://www.picturetrail.com/weegees Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
dressage saddles
This message is from: Debby miss.am...@earthlink.net Can anyone and everyone who does dressage with their fjords please tell me what brand dressage saddles they use. I'm looking for one to fit both horses, and both use extra wide trees...One of the horses does have a shorter back, so thats something to consider. I have a nice saddle but it does not fit me, it puts me in a chair position as I'm too short...I need the saddle to really help with my position. But, and this is a biggy, I cannot spend 4000. I'm being told by a retailer to get the one to fit my horses and myself, thats how much money I will have to spend. I am an amateur rider, I love dressage, I've finally found a trainer that is going to take the younger one in September and October for undersaddle work, along with me getting lessons...I hope to haul my gelding for lessons too, and if need be, put him with her for a month. But I need a saddle. I have one of the wintec dressage saddles, too HARD for my seat. I want it comfy for me and the horses and right position...is that too much to ask for and not spend more than 2500.? I'd have liked the Vega monoflap, but she said it wouldn't fit the fjords as it doesn't come wide enough. At the most I will take lessons and hopefully hopefully maybe do a clinic here and there...but I won't show...I do this for me and only for me, and the horses of course. So dressage or eventers, what dressage saddles do you ride your fjords in... thanks all. Debby Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: dressage saddles
This message is from: Cherie Mascis vikinghorseri...@bellsouth.net Debby, Sensation makes a treeless dressage saddle for about $1,000 that fits most fjords nicely. They have a more casual trail version and a formal one. Super comfy! They have demos you can try. Since I trail ride, I use the Hybrid model. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: dressage saddles
This message is from: Kristen L. Andersen w6...@me.com I have the Sensation Hybrid and love it! It is a great fit for round backed horses and I have never felt more comfortable, connected and balanced. -Kristen on Catalina Island On Jul 14, 2009, at 7:40 PM, Cherie Mascis wrote: This message is from: Cherie Mascis vikinghorseri...@bellsouth.net Debby, Sensation makes a treeless dressage saddle for about $1,000 that fits most fjords nicely. They have a more casual trail version and a formal one. Super comfy! They have demos you can try. Since I trail ride, I use the Hybrid model. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: dressage saddles
This message is from: crystal...@aol.com thanks to everyone who posted and emailed me about dressage saddles. it has given me a lot to look at, which is good. i hope to find a used one, since my budget won't allow for the more expensive new ones. i have a friend at the barn who rides a thornhill and will let me see the size comparison between his horse and oz, and it's also a 19, which i pretty much think is what i need. if anyone is interested in my duett companion 34/19, i will be selling it reasonably. it's a good fit, but i find that the dressage fit is probably better for my back and posture. thanks again laurie, and oz, still waiting for shoes... ** Dell Days of Deals! June 15-24 - A New Deal Everyday! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222865043x1201494942/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B215 692145%3B38015538%3Bh) Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
re: wintec saddles
This message is from: lindy hild bah...@visuallink.com -- Greetings! I am new-ish to the List, so I hope I am submitting this correctly.(Steve, please help me if I err!) I have a lovely Fjord mare, and tried several Wintec saddles on her. Although they sat well in the store (me) they did not work well on her at the farm. I was dealing with Dover, and the gal there suggested I try a Thoroughgood. Well, huzza! It was super. Fits us both, is synthetic (so is easy to clean) AND it's cheaper than Wintec. I got a dressage saddle, wide tree and use it for trail riding and messing about with dressage and so forth. Per another letter, it uses a synthetic girth and seems to be very comfy for her. Hope this helps someone with saddle questions. Thanks for all the sharing of funnies and facts, folks! Dagney and I are looking forward to meeting some of you at the , Finger Lakes, etc. Sincerely,Lindy and Dagney (who is hot and sweaty here in the Shenandoah Vally in what's left of her winter coat at a record-breaking 91 degrees) Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: wintec saddles
This message is from: Kristie Strange gibsong...@gamewood.net I have a Wintec c.c. on loan and I'm going to try it this afternoon. It already has the widest gullet installed, so that should give me some idea. I have also considering getting the dinosaur Crosby repaired and reflocked. I'm just not sure if it would be worth it as I'm sure it would cost as much if not more than a new saddle. But it does fit us both rather well. It's just got a very unforgiving seat from years of being soaked in oil at the old school barn.I'm sure the wool is probably like bricks. Do the Thorowgood saddles have a close contact or all purporse model? I may have to look into those as well! Thanks! :) -Kristie Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: wintec saddles
This message is from: Lorna David brom...@googlemail.com Many people over here in the UK believe Wintec's are not suited to very flat back horses due to the shape of the saddle tree, which tends to curve (banana shape) when wide gullets are inserted. Thorowgood have recently brought out a Cob Plus T6 to suit the flat back types. I tried on my young mare but was not particularly impressed with the comfort of the saddle. I ended up buying a Sensation Hybrid, which has you probably know is a treeless saddle made by Nickers Saddlery. My mare and I are very happy with it. Lorna Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: wintec saddles
This message is from: Kristie Strange gibsong...@gamewood.net Yes, I have to say that there was something about the fit that just didn't seem quite right. Though it seemed balanced and was quite comfy. But it still seemed kind of perched. I'm tempted to just save my money and have my Crosby reflocked and repaired. I'm just not sure it would be worth it. I guess I won't know until I get someone to evaluate it. -Kristie - Original Message - From: Lorna David brom...@googlemail.com To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 7:30 PM Subject: RE: wintec saddles This message is from: Lorna David brom...@googlemail.com Many people over here in the UK believe Wintec's are not suited to very flat back horses due to the shape of the saddle tree, which tends to curve (banana shape) when wide gullets are inserted. Thorowgood have recently brought out a Cob Plus T6 to suit the flat back types. I tried on my young mare but was not particularly impressed with the comfort of the saddle. I ended up buying a Sensation Hybrid, which has you probably know is a treeless saddle made by Nickers Saddlery. My mare and I are very happy with it. Lorna Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f 06:19:00 Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
abetta saddles
This message is from: schn...@primus.ca I have tried many different saddles, one of them is an Abetta Endurance. I ordered it with an Arabian tree, but found that it is still a bit tight around the shoulders.It also has very little spine clearance. Just recently I discovered a Company called Allegany Mountain Trail saddles. I custom ordered my saddle there, the quality is exceptional, as is their service. The saddle also finally fits my horse perfectly.The price was very reasonable as well. Check it out at www.trailridingsaddles.com Uli Schnabl Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Abetta Saddles
This message is from: Heather Baskey cavy_l...@yahoo.com Searched archived messages for trail saddles and was wondering if anyone can give me more input (on list, or privately) on: Abetta Deluxe Trail Saddles (review and size of tree that you went with) Aussie Saddles (what brand did you go with and size). In appreciation, Heather cavy_lass @ yahoo.com Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Sensation Saddles or Dartmoor Treefree
This message is from: Cherie Mascis vikinghorseri...@bellsouth.net This didn't come through to me so I'm resubmitting it, pardon me if some of you already got it! Cherie, do you REALLY have a zedonk?! Is that a cross between a zebra and a donkey? And you ride her/him?! Please do tell all! Hi Jen, I do have a Zedonk! His sire is a zebra and his dam a donkey. His name is Zeke. He's about 12.3 hands but stronger than my bigger Icelandics. I got him about 9 months ago. He's eight years old and was kept mainly as a big pet. The folks I got him from took him to fairs and hospitals but kept him in a corral with a mini mule and he got petted through the bars. They could lead him, sort of. I've been working with him a lot. He was VERY resistant to pressure and just leaned into it and he is STRONG, but he did take to clicker training very well. We took many walks around our property. Now we go for naked walks (just him, not me), I don't use a halter, he just follows along and get's clicked for keeping up, whoaing when I ask, turning when I point, climbing through rocks and jumping over logs, and he loves it. He's recently been saddled and I've ridden him in the arena about 4 times now. The first time, he simply wouldn't move! I really don't want to use a crop or anything whip-like. He spent a short amount of time, when he was two, getting driving lessons with some Amish trainers who apparently scared the crud out of him. If you have anything in your hand and raise it, he turns his head and tucks his butt in. I saddled him, lead him around a pattern and clicked him for it, then got on and really rewarded him for any forward movement. He now goes forward, turns fairly well, and stops great! He's had two drving lessons, the first time he was very uncomfortable and worried but I just lead him around with the harness on and got him to take a few steps with me behind him. Today I just let him come over and look the equipment over, clicked him, for each step of harnessing and really rewarded him for going forward. We walked all around the arena and through the cones and he seemed to realize there would be no force. Unfortunately these were very wild and being tamed at about 4 years of age by a mule skinner with, in my opinion, questionable methods (i.e. having the zedonks in stocks, and flooding them with desensitizing stimuli. I hated seeing it, and the animals were terrified). That's terrible! I worked with a couple of zebras at Marine World and force is the last thing that works and if you break their trust once, they will bever trust you again. Zeke is very smart and as long as I go slow, show him what I want and let him think about it, then he'll do it. It may take longer at first, but once he does it, he's got it down. I think he's great! Cherie Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Sensation Saddles or Dartmoor Treefree
This message is from: jen frame jenfra...@gmail.com Wow Cherie!Thank you so much for the Zeke the Zedonk report! I am very glad that he found you, because it sounds like his past life wasn't nearly as fun for him as his life with you now is! Can you send some pictures? So, do you have Fjords and Icelandics and the Zedonk? You sure like the rare ones don't you? Have you read the book The Zookeepers Wife ? Jen On 2/16/09, Cherie Mascis vikinghorseri...@bellsouth.net wrote: This message is from: Cherie Mascis vikinghorseri...@bellsouth.net Hi Jen, I do have a Zedonk! His sire is a zebra and his dam a donkey. His name is Zeke. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Sensation Saddles or Dartmoor Treefree
This message is from: Lori Lemley lori.lem...@gmail.com I have the Sensation Hybrid and adore it. I bought six different saddles for my first Fjord mare; one was even a custom-built western. I've lost count of the others that I tried but did not buy. The Sensation Hybrid fits my mare and me the best of all of them, and I love the knee rolls and pommel. The saddle does not slip, but I do use a breastplate and crupper. It might slip without those. Gerri Rini sells them and has a nice demo program. I highly recommend it. Lori Lemley Little Rock, AR Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: cashel soft saddles
This message is from: jen frame jenfra...@gmail.com Hi Beth, the wonderful woman from whom I bought my Fjord rode her in a Cashel Soft saddle. She loved it and did long trail rides with it. I now ride her in a Treeless saddle called Freeform. The biggest problem with a Cashel soft saddle is that they do NOT distribute the riders weight evenly along the Fjord's back. So you will be putting pressure in a concentrated area. Also, if you do a lot of posting to the trot, that may affect the spine. I noticed that my Fjord had either some un-even muscle developement by the withers (what wither she has!!) or it was a swelling on one side. It mildly disturbed me because I was pretty sure it was from being ridden so much in the Cashel soft saddle. She has not been ridden in it since I have had her (1 year and 4 months) and the swelling or unevenness has gone away. Also, she had a large patch of white hairs on one side in the saddle area. The woman I bought her from said that was due to sweat and then getting bleached by the sun. I was worried it was damaged hair folicles, but luckily her hair grew in normal color last spring. But this brings up an important issue: the cashel soft saddle will be very HOT for your Fjord--it would be like you going running with a neoprene T-shirt on. I sat in one once on a demo horse (i.e. not a real horse) and although I loved the concept and the feel, I wouldn't buy it because it offered no wither clearance (this may not be an issue for Fjords, but would have been an issue for my TWH mare) , no weight distribution, and as mentioned above, would be too hot. If you want to do half hour long rides around the house, and would rather ride in the soft saddle than go bareback, I think it would be great. But if you want to do 2-3 hour long trail rides, or do a lot of posting trot, or do jumping where there is also a lot of weight in the stirrups, I would reccomend a Freeform Jen On 2/11/09, Beth Pulsifer magicm...@roadrunner.com wrote: This message is from: Beth Pulsifer magicm...@roadrunner.com Wondering if anyone is using or has used the Cashel soft saddle on their Fjord...If so what are the pros and cons. Thanks in advance for any information you can provide. Beth in Maine where it was fifty today...:) Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: cashel soft saddles
This message is from: Linda Lottie horselo...@hotmail.com re soft saddle. I own a Parralli bareback pad and love it. It is solidly constructed, suede, fits the horse well and the rider feels solid in the seat. There are no stirrups but you might check on their website as I bought this quite awhile ago. They may have a new version with stirrups. It also has a thick hand hold which is great since holding on to a fjord mane is not much support:) Linda in WI Linda Baker Lottie Kind words can be short and easy to speak, but their echoes are truly endless. -Mother Teresa www.heartsandhoovesforever.blogspot.com Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 08:57:12 -0600 Subject: Re: cashel soft saddles From: jenfra...@gmail.com To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com This message is from: jen frame jenfra...@gmail.com Hi Beth, the wonderful woman from whom I bought my Fjord rode her in a Cashel Soft saddle. She loved it and did long trail rides with it. I now ride her in a Treeless saddle called Freeform. The biggest problem with a Cashel soft saddle is that they do NOT distribute the riders weight evenly along the Fjord's back. So you will be putting pressure in a concentrated area. Also, if you do a lot of posting to the trot, that may affect the spine. I noticed that my Fjord had either some un-even muscle developement by the withers (what wither she has!!) or it was a swelling on one side. It mildly disturbed me because I was pretty sure it was from being ridden so much in the Cashel soft saddle. She has not been ridden in it since I have had her (1 year and 4 months) and the swelling or unevenness has gone away. Also, she had a large patch of white hairs on one side in the saddle area. The woman I bought her from said that was due to sweat and then getting bleached by the sun. I was worried it was damaged hair folicles, but luckily her hair grew in normal color last spring. But this brings up an important issue: the cashel soft saddle will be very HOT for your Fjord--it would be like you going running with a neoprene T-shirt on. I sat in one once on a demo horse (i.e. not a real horse) and although I loved the concept and the feel, I wouldn't buy it because it offered no wither clearance (this may not be an issue for Fjords, but would have been an issue for my TWH mare) , no weight distribution, and as mentioned above, would be too hot. If you want to do half hour long rides around the house, and would rather ride in the soft saddle than go bareback, I think it would be great. But if you want to do 2-3 hour long trail rides, or do a lot of posting trot, or do jumping where there is also a lot of weight in the stirrups, I would reccomend a Freeform Jen On 2/11/09, Beth Pulsifer magicm...@roadrunner.com wrote: This message is from: Beth Pulsifer magicm...@roadrunner.com Wondering if anyone is using or has used the Cashel soft saddle on their Fjord...If so what are the pros and cons. Thanks in advance for any information you can provide. Beth in Maine where it was fifty today...:) Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Sensation Saddles or Dartmoor Treefree
This message is from: jen frame jenfra...@gmail.com Cherie, do you REALLY have a zedonk?! Is that a cross between a zebra and a donkey? And you ride her/him?! Please do tell all! I have seen a few zedonks in person and they were absolutely gorgeous--were much taller than zebras, had all the stripes but in dunn color rather than in black, and the stripes on the face were very thin, and the ears were much longer than a zebras. Unfortunately these were very wild and being tamed at about 4 years of age by a mule skinner with, in my opinion, questionable methods (i.e. having the zedonks in stocks, and flooding them with desensitizing stimuli. I hated seeing it, and the animals were terrified).But you sure caught my attention by saying that your Sensation saddle fits your Zedonk!! What is his or her name? How old when you got him/her? Who trained him/her to ride? Etc. etc. What is her personalty like? Jen in Texas On 2/12/09, Cherie Mascis vikinghorseri...@bellsouth.net wrote: This message is from: Cherie Mascis vikinghorseri...@bellsouth.net I use a Sensation and love it! I It's super comfy and fits my Icelandic pony, Fjord and Zedonk! They also make a more Western version with fenders and neat stitching. Cherie Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
cashel soft saddles
This message is from: Beth Pulsifer magicm...@roadrunner.com Hi list.. Wondering if anyone is using or has used the Cashel soft saddle on their Fjord...If so what are the pros and cons. Thanks in advance for any information you can provide. Beth in Maine where it was fifty today...:) Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Saddles on Ebay
This message is from: Mark McGinley [EMAIL PROTECTED] I listed a couple of Western saddles on Ebay that fit Fjords if anyone is interested. Both are 16 seats. The first is a very nice Circle Y http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemssPageName=STRK:MESELX:ITitem=140288287149 The second is a more used custom model http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemssPageName=STRK:MESELX:ITitem=140288290487 Both are full quarter horse bars and are thus wide trees Mark McGinley Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Draft Horse Saddles
This message is from: jen frame [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Nancy, I ride my Fjord in a Treeless saddle called Freeform classic. I LOVE it and so does my Fjord. I recently bought a bit that I love, and so do all my horses: it is a western shanked bit calledhe EZ Rider by American Bridle Bit. You can find them at www.onehander.com It has an adjustable width mouthpiece so you can make it wide enough to fit your 5 1/4 Fjord, or more narrow to fit other horses. It is an amazing bit. And you can try it for 30 days and return it if you don't like it. That is what sold me on it, cuz it is an expensive bit. After 1 ride in it I knew I wanted to keep it. My horses love it so much that I had to let my hubby use the bit when we trail ride together, but I missed the bit on my horse, so I bought a 2nd one! If you order one, tell Jerry that Jen Frame sent you. He knows I love the bit because I tell him that by e-mail at least once a week! Let us know what you decide on treeless and bits. In my not so humble opinion, those saddles on the Draft Horse classified web page are a little suspect. When buying ateeless it is very important to get one that distributes the rider's weight evenly across your horses's back. I did a ton of research before I went treeless, and I felt that only 2 brands out there did this well: the Freeform and the Sensation . I am beyond thrilled with my Freeform, and ended up buying a second one so my husband could ride Treeless too. Now I just camn't put a tree'd saddle on my horses--feels almost cruel. It may not be cruel with a properly fitting tree'd saddle and a good pad, but it feels wrong to me now. If you go Treeless you MUST buy a saddle pad made to go with the treeess saddle. They are expensive, but worth it. Jen On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 8:55 AM, Nancy Blauers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: Nancy Blauers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Everyone! I can across a website that interested me greatly and thought I'd share and ask if anyone else knows these folks and has any comments or suggestions on their saddles...the site is called Draft Horse Classified. Also, I'm looking for a 5 1/4 inch western shanked snaffle bit.Nancy Blauers Geneva, Fl. _ Time for vacation? WIN what you need- enter now! http://www.gowindowslive.com/summergiveaway/?ocid=tag_jlyhm The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Draft Horse Saddles
This message is from: Lola Lahr [EMAIL PROTECTED] HI! I will again chime in re: how much I love my Free Form saddle. I can use the same saddle on my very round-backed fjord mare and use the same saddle on my much less round high-withered, elderly Arabian. (I just tuck in some extra top padding into the Haf pad to accommodate his more prominent backbone). I love the ability to move the stirrup hangers to accommodate my comfort, the light weight, and ease of care. The Arabian I rode last Sunday had not been ridden in at least a year,and he will shy away from a saddle heading toward his back, bite at (doesn't connect, but lets you know he is unhappy!)whoever is saddling him when the girth gets tightened (a 20 yr/old behavior issue!), and now, he just stands there calmly through the whole process since using the Free Form. Out on the trail, there was no jigging, airs above ground, shying at gremlins, or any of the other fun things that I was expecting with this guy, just a calm, quiet horse who was having a great time. I originally went with the Bob Marshall saddle, buy they didn't really fit on my Fjord mare right, and I found that I was more comfortable on her roundness with a seat with a bit of twist, so my legs weren't sitting straight out with my feet dangling at the ends(!) and that's how I discovered the Free Form. A friend of mine just started using a Sensation saddle on her Paso, and he is noticeably happier and calmer out on the trails. On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 12:08 AM, jen frame [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: jen frame [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Nancy, I ride my Fjord in a Treeless saddle called Freeform classic. I LOVE it and so does my Fjord. I recently bought a bit that I love, and so do all my horses: it is a western shanked bit calledhe EZ Rider by American Bridle Bit. You can find them at www.onehander.com It has an adjustable width mouthpiece so you can make it wide enough to fit your 5 1/4 Fjord, or more narrow to fit other horses. It is an amazing bit. And you can try it for 30 days and return it if you don't like it. That is what sold me on it, cuz it is an expensive bit. After 1 ride in it I knew I wanted to keep it. My horses love it so much that I had to let my hubby use the bit when we trail ride together, but I missed the bit on my horse, so I bought a 2nd one! If you order one, tell Jerry that Jen Frame sent you. He knows I love the bit because I tell him that by e-mail at least once a week! Let us know what you decide on treeless and bits. In my not so humble opinion, those saddles on the Draft Horse classified web page are a little suspect. When buying ateeless it is very important to get one that distributes the rider's weight evenly across your horses's back. I did a ton of research before I went treeless, and I felt that only 2 brands out there did this well: the Freeform and the Sensation . I am beyond thrilled with my Freeform, and ended up buying a second one so my husband could ride Treeless too. Now I just camn't put a tree'd saddle on my horses--feels almost cruel. It may not be cruel with a properly fitting tree'd saddle and a good pad, but it feels wrong to me now. If you go Treeless you MUST buy a saddle pad made to go with the treeess saddle. They are expensive, but worth it. Jen On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 8:55 AM, Nancy Blauers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: Nancy Blauers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Everyone! I can across a website that interested me greatly and thought I'd share and ask if anyone else knows these folks and has any comments or suggestions on their saddles...the site is called Draft Horse Classified. Also, I'm looking for a 5 1/4 inch western shanked snaffle bit.Nancy Blauers Geneva, Fl. _ Time for vacation? WIN what you need- enter now! http://www.gowindowslive.com/summergiveaway/?ocid=tag_jlyhm The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Draft Horse Saddles
This message is from: Nancy Blauers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Everyone! I can across a website that interested me greatly and thought I'd share and ask if anyone else knows these folks and has any comments or suggestions on their saddles...the site is called Draft Horse Classified. They have treeless saddles, western,english aussie saddles and custom build to wither tracings. They have a nice Crates Wade saddle that I really like, but I'm torn between that and the treeless Haflinger/Fjord saddle they advertise.anyone out there love treeless saddles? Are they safe? Good secure seat? Not that I really need it since Theo is so quiet on the trail but still it's nice to have a secure seat while enjoying a fast paced ride (yup- this little Fjord has a great canter and will go go go and then whoa whoa whoa- best trail horse I've ever had!) Anyway if anyone has any experience with this company, any input would be greatly appreciated. Also, I'm looking for a 5 1/4 inch western shanked snaffle bit. I was riding Theo in a great little 5 1/4 wide mouth, 6 1/2 inch shanked bit but the mouth piece was copper he broke it the other day. Used a 5 inch wide with similar shanks but worried about his comfort after a long ride...does anyone know any good bit sources? Thanks so much happy trails! Nancy Blauers Geneva, Fl. _ Time for vacation? WIN what you need- enter now! http://www.gowindowslive.com/summergiveaway/?ocid=tag_jlyhm The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Narnia and saddles
This message is from: Willows Edge Farm [EMAIL PROTECTED] OK, so we went to see the Narnia movie last night and they had some BIG Friesians (?). What I really noticed though were the really COOL saddles they were riding in and could just picture them on our Fjords. They look like a treeless. I whispered to my hubby, Wow, cool saddles and he gave me one of those looks...Yes, too much horse on the brain. Anyone seen the movie and know what they are? Oh, and it was a good movie :-) Corinne Logan Willows Edge Farm Bothell, WA (425) 402-6781 www.willowsedgefarm.com The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Saddles
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi-- After much searching and looking at Aussie, endurance, dressage, and western saddles, I ended up buying a Big Horn Trail Lite saddle that I love. I really wanted something that was secure with a balanced seat that was not too difficult to heave onto his back. Monark is a bigger Fjord at 14.3, 1000# and what they call the full quarter horse bars fits him well and it only weighs 24 pounds. I ended up paying in the $1100 range--but well worth it! Good luck... Kris in NC **It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf000301) The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Saddles for sale
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, all-- I just listed two saddles on Tacktrader.com: _TackTrader Item ID: 214764 - TackTrader.com_ (http://tacktrader.com/show_item.php?tack_id=214764) _TackTrader Item ID: 214766 - TackTrader.com_ (http://tacktrader.com/show_item.php?tack_id=214766) The Dakota saddle is a medium tree, but I did use the Australian stock saddle on my Fjord gelding, who is on the large side at 14.3 and about 1000 pounds. It is only six months old and comes with a matching breast collar, Aussie girth, upgraded Western show stirrups and fleece socks to go over the stirrup leathers. Of course, there is a special discount for fellow Fjord owners! The reason that I am selling it is because I wanted a saddle that was less of a chair seat and kept my leg in a more balanced position. Let me know if you have any questions...thanks! Kris in NC **It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf000301) The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
saddles
This message is from: Deb Logan [EMAIL PROTECTED] I know this question gets asked over over BUT - I am looking for a western or endurance type saddle for my Fjord - if anyone has one for sale 15 or 16 seator just some ideas of what type model work best for fjords for trail riding - I currently have a treeless, but want a saddle with a treeThanks!! Deb in Western Washington - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.commailto:fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 4:23 PM Subject: Re: fjordhorse-digest V2008 #47 This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 2/26/08 7:19:45 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] gus.mystery.com writes: The lists I am on seem to be so heavily populated with people off to shows and events all the time, are there more of us who are happy to stay at home with the ponies? kate, i just read this, and thought i would let you know that i pretty much stay at home, too. trailering makes me nervous, as does riding in strange places. so about the only place we go is blue earth, and last year the minnesota horse expo. rest of the time we are stay at home guys. laurie, and oz who will gladly stay home with his hay bale ** It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money amp; Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf000301http://money.aol.com/ta x?NCID=aolprf000301) The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepwhttp://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: saddles
This message is from: Frederick J Pack [EMAIL PROTECTED] Deb, I like the Orthoflex... No, I don't have one for sale...sorry. Fred All Mail is scanned in AND out by Norton Anti-virus. Fred and Lois Pack Pack's Peak Stables Wilkeson, Washington 98396 This message is from: Deb Logan [EMAIL PROTECTED] I know this question gets asked over over BUT - I am looking for a western or endurance type saddle for my Fjord - if anyone has one for sale 15 or 16 seator just some ideas of what type model work best for fjords for trail riding - I currently have a treeless, but want a saddle with a treeThanks!! Deb in Western Washington The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: saddles
This message is from: shawna smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Deb, I have a 4 yr. old Circle Y med-wide flex-tree and love it. It weighs 24 lbs. and is extremely comfortable. I've used it on 6 different fjords and it worked on all of them. It's good quality that is holding up very well with lots of miles on it and I'm sure many more.Good luck in your search. Shawna in NW Oregon This message is from: Deb Logan [EMAIL PROTECTED] I know this question gets asked over over BUT - I am looking for a western The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: saddles
This message is from: Linda McThoy Patorni [EMAIL PROTECTED] I agree. I use my Circle Y on both my Fjords, and it's perfect - it's also comfortable for me On Mar 8, 2008, at 7:11 PM, shawna smith wrote: This message is from: shawna smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Deb, I have a 4 yr. old Circle Y med-wide flex-tree and love it. It weighs 24 lbs. and is extremely comfortable. I've used it on 6 different fjords and it worked on all of them. It's good quality that is holding up very well with lots of miles on it and I'm sure many more.Good luck in your search. Shawna in NW Oregon This message is from: Deb Logan [EMAIL PROTECTED] I know this question gets asked over over BUT - I am looking for a western The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Linda McThoy Patorni [EMAIL PROTECTED] The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
icelandic saddles
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You everyone for the input on Icelandic saddles. I currently use a Trecker treeless saddle that I am quite happy with, except when it comes to distance riding.I feel that it doesn't supply enough support for the horse or the rider. Another disadvantage is that one can't pack a lot on a treeless saddle and I like to go on pack in overnight camping trips. I also use an Abetta endurance saddle,which is overall a little too flat a saddle in my opinion. Uli The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Icelandic saddles
This message is from: Lola Lahr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Here I go again, but I completely agree with Jen! My Fjords, Arabs and mustangs all use the Freeform, and these horses are all different shapes and sizes. I use one saddle for all of them, and I have fewer problems with slipping etc with the treeless than with any of the treed saddles I used to try to use- yes, even the expensive custom made ones didn't work as well as the Freeform. The folks (Action Rider Tack or April Battles) who sell the Freeforms have a great demo porgram. Once you put it on your horse and see and feel how much better your horse moves, you will be surprised. On 11/7/07, jen frame [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: jen frame [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Uli, My opinion, for what it is worth, is that you should research TREELESS saddles I am an extremely happy owner of 2 treeless saddles, and they work great on my Fjord. I used to be part of a Yahoo Treeless saddle chat group, and all the folks on that group that had Icelandic Ponys rode them in treeless saddles, which leads me to believe that the Icelandic saddles did not always work well for the Icelandic Ponys. I have not heard if they work for Fjords The great thing about Treeless saddles is that they can fit almost any horse. I particularly like an Italian Treeless saddle called the Freeform. It distrubutes the rider's weight safely on the horse's back, and it feels like you are riding in a closer contact english saddle. Another brand that might work for you, but is quite expensive, is the Ansur Treeless saddle. I personally do not like the brand called Barefoot--it doesn't distribute the rider's weight well, and it feels like you are sitting on a pillow on the horses' back--not very comfy to me. But some people love the Barefoot saddle Anyway, let us know what you get! Jen On 11/6/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] We have three Icelandics and a 2 year old Fjord. Generally, Icelandics are smaller than Fjords and I would be concerned with the fit. I agree that the quilted top (if that is, or is an element of, what you are thinking of in terms of comfort over long distances)is interestng and comfortable. We have an Icelandic gelding (13 hands 2 or so) who was miserable in the Icelandic saddle we bought for him. He was (i) too short backed for the saddle (perhaps not an issue with a Fjord)so tolting was very uncomfortable for him and (ii) way too wide. Honestly, at the time the only saddle that fit him from our boardng barn was that of a shire (I am not kidding). He is brawny and physically gifted. We ended up with a made to measure English saddle. Our Icelandic mare found a very good fit with the Steuben/Benni's Harmony, but she is smaller than our 2-year old Fjord gelding. The bottom line is be careful with the fit. John Brinker From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/11/06 Tue AM 10:39:03 CST To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Icelandic saddles This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am considering to purchase an Icelandic saddle,I feel they are extremely comfortable to ride in over long distances. Does anyone on this list have any experience with Icelandic saddles and Fjords.My main riding Fjord has a medium build and fairly reasonable withers. Any recommendations ,opinions on this would be greatly appreciated. Thank You Uli Schnabl The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: icelandic saddles
This message is from: Lola Lahr [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Freeforms can be ordered with extra d-rings, so I am puzzled by the idea that one can't pack as much on one of them as you can on a regular saddle! I have 11 d-rings on mine and I have plenty of space for tying things on. I know that you can order at least 9-13 d-rings, so the options are there. On 11/8/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You everyone for the input on Icelandic saddles. I currently use a Trecker treeless saddle that I am quite happy with, except when it comes to distance riding.I feel that it doesn't supply enough support for the horse or the rider. Another disadvantage is that one can't pack a lot on a treeless saddle and I like to go on pack in overnight camping trips. I also use an Abetta endurance saddle,which is overall a little too flat a saddle in my opinion. Uli The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: [fjordlist] icelandic saddles
This message is from: Diana Calder [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thursday, November 8, 2007, 11:35:09 AM, Uli wrote: spc This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] spc I currently use a Trecker treeless saddle that I am quite happy with, spc except when it comes to distance riding.I feel that it doesn't spc supply enough support for the horse or the rider. spc Another disadvantage is that one can't pack a lot on a treeless spc saddle and I like to go on pack in overnight camping trips. spc I also use an Abetta endurance saddle,which is overall a little too spc flat a saddle in my opinion. I've found that Aussie saddles in general seem to fit Fjords quite well. I have no idea who made the used Aussie that my dad uses with our Fjord gelding, but it fits wonderfully (and was the reason that I became so sold on Aussies in the first place). It has a wide tree and long bars - a little too much so for our mare - but has always worked great for the gelding. Aussie saddles are extremely comfortable - including for trail or distance riding. I'd suggest checking out Down Under Saddle Supply at http://www.downunderweb.com/ - I recently bought an Aussie saddle (a hornless endurance model) from them and they did an *excellent* job of recommending the right saddle for me and my Fjord mare. As well as Aussie saddles, they have Western, English, and, a number of Endurance models (including an Exmoor Endurance that reminds me a lot of an Icelandic saddle). Between the withers tracing, horse's weight breed, my own measurements, and the saddle's intended purpose (plus special consideration for my osteoarthritic knees and hips) they came up with a list of several saddle models that were suitable. I chose the mid-priced Longreach Endurance from that list. I was *extremely* happy with the service and even more delighted with the quality and fit of the saddle. Down Under Saddle has monthly specials and also often has great clearance deals on seconds (saddles with cosmetic flaws, such as unevenly coloured leather), sample-runs, and customer returns. If you're prepared to watch and wait, you may get a great deal (I did). Diana -- Best regards, Dianamailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: Icelandic saddles
This message is from: Cherie Mascis [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have three Icelandics (one's too young to ride) and one Fjord, the Sensation treeless saddle fits them all well. I don't know any Icelandic owners that use Icelandic saddles! Most are too narrow! Cherie Western North Carolina Lilja, Roka Mura (Icelandics)and Tyra (Fjord) The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Icelandic saddles
This message is from: jen frame [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Uli, My opinion, for what it is worth, is that you should research TREELESS saddles. I am an extremely happy owner of 2 treeless saddles, and they work great on my Fjord. I used to be part of a Yahoo Treeless saddle chat group, and all the folks on that group that had Icelandic Ponys rode them in treeless saddles, which leads me to believe that the Icelandic saddles did not always work well for the Icelandic Ponys. I have not heard if they work for Fjords The great thing about Treeless saddles is that they can fit almost any horse. I particularly like an Italian Treeless saddle called the Freeform. It distrubutes the rider's weight safely on the horse's back, and it feels like you are riding in a closer contact english saddle. Another brand that might work for you, but is quite expensive, is the Ansur Treeless saddle. I personally do not like the brand called Barefoot--it doesn't distribute the rider's weight well, and it feels like you are sitting on a pillow on the horses' back--not very comfy to me. But some people love the Barefoot saddle Anyway, let us know what you get! Jen On 11/6/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] We have three Icelandics and a 2 year old Fjord. Generally, Icelandics are smaller than Fjords and I would be concerned with the fit. I agree that the quilted top (if that is, or is an element of, what you are thinking of in terms of comfort over long distances)is interestng and comfortable. We have an Icelandic gelding (13 hands 2 or so) who was miserable in the Icelandic saddle we bought for him. He was (i) too short backed for the saddle (perhaps not an issue with a Fjord)so tolting was very uncomfortable for him and (ii) way too wide. Honestly, at the time the only saddle that fit him from our boardng barn was that of a shire (I am not kidding). He is brawny and physically gifted. We ended up with a made to measure English saddle. Our Icelandic mare found a very good fit with the Steuben/Benni's Harmony, but she is smaller than our 2-year old Fjord gelding. The bottom line is be careful with the fit. John Brinker From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/11/06 Tue AM 10:39:03 CST To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Icelandic saddles This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am considering to purchase an Icelandic saddle,I feel they are extremely comfortable to ride in over long distances. Does anyone on this list have any experience with Icelandic saddles and Fjords.My main riding Fjord has a medium build and fairly reasonable withers. Any recommendations ,opinions on this would be greatly appreciated. Thank You Uli Schnabl The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Icelandic saddles
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am considering to purchase an Icelandic saddle,I feel they are extremely comfortable to ride in over long distances. Does anyone on this list have any experience with Icelandic saddles and Fjords.My main riding Fjord has a medium build and fairly reasonable withers. Any recommendations ,opinions on this would be greatly appreciated. Thank You Uli Schnabl The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Icelandic saddles
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] We have three Icelandics and a 2 year old Fjord. Generally, Icelandics are smaller than Fjords and I would be concerned with the fit. I agree that the quilted top (if that is, or is an element of, what you are thinking of in terms of comfort over long distances)is interestng and comfortable. We have an Icelandic gelding (13 hands 2 or so) who was miserable in the Icelandic saddle we bought for him. He was (i) too short backed for the saddle (perhaps not an issue with a Fjord)so tolting was very uncomfortable for him and (ii) way too wide. Honestly, at the time the only saddle that fit him from our boardng barn was that of a shire (I am not kidding). He is brawny and physically gifted. We ended up with a made to measure English saddle. Our Icelandic mare found a very good fit with the Steuben/Benni's Harmony, but she is smaller than our 2-year old Fjord gelding. The bottom line is be careful with the fit. John Brinker From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/11/06 Tue AM 10:39:03 CST To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Icelandic saddles This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am considering to purchase an Icelandic saddle,I feel they are extremely comfortable to ride in over long distances. Does anyone on this list have any experience with Icelandic saddles and Fjords.My main riding Fjord has a medium build and fairly reasonable withers. Any recommendations ,opinions on this would be greatly appreciated. Thank You Uli Schnabl The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
2 saddles for sale
This message is from: Douglas Knutsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi all, I have two nice wide tree saddles for sale. The first is a like new Crosby soft-seat AP, approx 16 1/2 size. It is black, and comes with girth, stirrup leathers, and two white fleece pads. This saddle is extremely comfortable and can be used in Dressage, trail, English Pleasure, etc. I am asking $500.00 US for it. The second is a nice Aussie Western saddle, of about the same size [I will have to confirm tomorrow night or Thursday]. It comes with all the trimmings for Western riding. Very comfortable. For this saddle, I am asking $400.00. I am selling these saddles because I have decided to keep only my Wintec Isabelle. They have been well cared for. I would think that the Sort-Ride would be ideal for a young competition rider. Replacement costs on either would be well over twice what I am asking. In the next couple of days, I will have pictures of each on Craig's list for your viewing pleasure. If you email me directly, I can email pictures of the Crosby. I haven't shot the Aussie yet. Please let me know privately if you are interested or just curious. Thanks much, Peg Peg Knutsen www.fairpoint.net/~kffjord/ PS - An entire posting without mentioning Erlend once Ooops The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Western Saddles
This message is from: Ron Sherrie Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi all, I have a Royal King with a flex tree that I use and my husband has a Circle Y with full quarter horse bars that he uses. Sherrie Dayton The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
