Re: $50 iBooks @ UVA
On 8/18/05, Peter Saint James [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 17 Aug 2005, at 1:26 PM, Brian wrote: Mostly, though, PC users who really know computers simply don't like apple as a company, or they don't like how elitist mac users can sometimes appear. Well, yes, but if everyone were as smart as we are, we wouldn't stand out in the crowd, would we?:-} Peter I'm not an elitist, I'm just better and smarter than they are.. -- Ron http://krowmagnum.4mg.com/ -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: $50 iBooks @ UVA
On Aug 17, 2005, at 9:45 PM, Timothy Luoma wrote: Microsoft claims that it's got the problem on its radar, and that Vista will stop the rot. [rght... raise your hand if you buy it...] This is Microsoft after all...you raise BOTH hands if you buy it. :-P -- Bruce Johnson This is the sig who says 'Ni!' -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: $50 iBooks @ UVA
What a great reason to keep a computer system that requires maintenance on a regular level instead of going with one that Takes a licken and keeps on ticken to steal a lone from Timex! Tom On 8/18/05 8:20 AM, Krow Magnum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mostly, though, PC users who really know computers simply don't like apple as a company, or they don't like how elitist mac users can sometimes appear. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: $50 iBooks @ UVA
.. Original Message ... On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 08:57:43 -0700 Bruce Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is Microsoft after all...you raise BOTH hands if you buy it. :-P raise both hands, reach down and firmly grasp both ankles, and wait for Microsoft to give it to you -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: $50 iBooks @ UVA
On Aug 18, 2005, at 2:05 PM, Paul Stamsen wrote: My reply follows quote. On 8/18/05, at 12:45 am -0400, Timothy Luoma wrote: On Aug 17, 2005, at 7:50 PM, Krow Magnum wrote: How many Macs have you had die on you ? How many peecees ? It's not so much the dying which can happen anywhere, but the WinRot: http://www.oreillynet.com/lpt/wlg/7565: Will Vista Clean Up WinRot? by Preston Gralla Aug. 9, 2005 Is this link dead? Anyone have a copy? That's what I get for taking too much time. Worked fine for me just now, however the first post had the entirety of the article in it; it's very short. -- Bruce Johnson This is the sig who says 'Ni!' -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: $50 iBooks @ UVA
http://www.oreillynet.com/lpt/wlg/7565 Leave out the colon at the end of the URL and the link will work. My reply follows quote. On 8/18/05, at 12:45 am -0400, Timothy Luoma wrote: On Aug 17, 2005, at 7:50 PM, Krow Magnum wrote: How many Macs have you had die on you ? How many peecees ? It's not so much the dying which can happen anywhere, but the WinRot: http://www.oreillynet.com/lpt/wlg/7565: Will Vista Clean Up WinRot? by Preston Gralla Aug. 9, 2005 Is this link dead? Anyone have a copy? That's what I get for taking too much time. P -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com --- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: $50 iBooks @ UVA
On 8/17/05, Krow Magnum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good for you ! Just what are they teaching them ? Having a closed mind in education is a crime. Hopefully you can spread a little knowledge with your book. The sad part is that this college caters to teacher education. The OT people are actually a separate company that came in a few years ago. I can't tell you how many times when the peecee lab is reserved and someone needs to work on something, say a Word document we'll suggest the Mac lab, and the people will say I only know how to use a computer--not a Mac. And then you gently have to instruct them that the Macs are actually more intuitive, more user-friendly, AND can read their IBM-formatted disks. MIcrosoft has done a fine brainwashing job on the general public! Hopefully they didn't mention Apple or say anything like the old Who concert bad taste jokes like I'd walk all over you for an iBook. Did they ? Actually, NBC only reported notebook computers and didn't mention iBooks or Apple at all. Later..Howard -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: $50 iBooks @ UVA
On 8/17/05, Howard Katz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The sad part is that this college caters to teacher education. The OT people are actually a separate company that came in a few years ago. Perpetuating idiocy.. Dumb down the teachers and it will keep the students stupid. I can't tell you how many times when the peecee lab is reserved and someone needs to work on something, say a Word document we'll suggest the Mac lab, and the people will say I only know how to use a computer--not a Mac. And then you gently have to instruct them that the Macs are actually more intuitive, more user-friendly, AND can read their IBM-formatted disks. MIcrosoft has done a fine brainwashing job on the general public! In my experiences the general public is a bunch of uninformed idiots when it comes to computers, especially the ones with an opinion about Macs. Microsoft didn't have to work too hard. How many people continue to buy junk automobiles that last 2 or 3 years and are worth very little if anything by the time they are paid off. I include most American made cars in that group of junk Same as junk peecees. It's become a throw-away society unfortunately. Most people expect and embrace planned obsolescence in this country. Actually, NBC only reported notebook computers and didn't mention iBooks or Apple at all. Later..Howard CNN's site said the same thing Notebooks. I don't think it would be good for Apple if they used the name. I doubt the reporters even knew what they were selling. -- Ron http://krowmagnum.4mg.com/ -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: $50 iBooks @ UVA
I think flogging off surplus equipment like this is a terrific idea. If they had auctioned off the lot in bulk, they wouldn't have gotten much more than $50 each anyhow. Better the iBooks stay in the community that originally paid for them. That way the community gets the benefit rather than (usually) a for-profit recycling/refurbing company. Not that I'm against for-profits making a buck, but we _are_ talking about public funds here. (Yeah, I know - some of these iBooks will turn up on eBay and elsewhere - still, I'm sure most will stay with, and be used by, county residents.) Henrico County's implimentation of the sale wasn't the best though. There are plenty of ways to control this sort of thing, too bad they didn't forsee how many buyers would show up. Shame the replacements are Dell . . . hee hee - wanna bet there'll be no similar riot when Henrico County goes to flog off that lot in a couple of years? That's if enough survive to even bother! dan k dan k . http://macdan.n3.net/ carracho://dankephoto.dhs.org:9700 hotline://dankephoto.dhs.org:9500 . -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: $50 iBooks @ UVA
A small clip from the BBC article about the riot: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4159678.stm It's rather strange that we would have such a tremendous response for the purchase of a laptop computer, and laptop computers that probably have less-than- desirable attributes, said Paul Proto, director of general services for Henrico County commenting on the sale of the four-year-old machines. County officials said they would review events and see what could be done differently for future sales. Unofficial estimates said more than 12,000 people attended the sale. Excuse me? less-than-desirable attributes? Well, now we know why they're going to Dells--another IBM-centric idiot who doesn't know what they had. :) Later.Howard -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: $50 iBooks @ UVA
Microsoft didn't have to work too hard. How many people continue to buy junk automobiles that last 2 or 3 years and are worth very little if anything by the time they are paid off. I include most American made cars in that group of junk Same as junk peecees. It's become a throw-away society unfortunately. Most people expect and embrace planned obsolescence in this country. Its not that American cars are junk it's that a lot of people don't know how to take care of them. Change the oil and perform regular maintenance and 200k + miles is not a problem. I've had several American cars last this long, foreign too. Working on 201k on a Toyota and has a Pontiac Bonneville with 214k on it before I traded it. PC's and Macs become obsolete because of advances in technology and software requirements, not because people throw them away. Actually, NBC only reported notebook computers and didn't mention iBooks or Apple at all. Later..Howard CNN's site said the same thing Notebooks. I don't think it would be good for Apple if they used the name. I doubt the reporters even knew what they were selling. A LOT of people don't know what an iBook is, but a lot of people know what a notebook is. Just defending the American public and fighting hate. :: Mindaugas www.mindaugas.us More robots less humans! Save our LAN! www.coloradogameralliance.com -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: $50 iBooks @ UVA
My Mom, who has been using computers since the TRS 80 (Trash 80 as they were affectionately called) turned 82 last week. I finally convinced her last November to buy a Mac. She got a 20 iMac and LOVES it! No viruses, no worms, no FDSIK, installing/reinstalling and general malaise of the Windoze computer. I get so tired of PC people being so negative and against Macs. They haven't even tried them. I started out on a Commodore 64, then on to a Tandy SX 1000 and from there a Gateway Pentium. Then I discovered Macs and don't plan to ever go back. Maybe a bumper sticker or something. Stamp out crime in education. Open your mind! kt From: Howard Katz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: G-Books G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 08:50:50 -0500 To: G-Books G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com Subject: Re: $50 iBooks @ UVA On 8/17/05, Krow Magnum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good for you ! Just what are they teaching them ? Having a closed mind in education is a crime. Hopefully you can spread a little knowledge with your book. The sad part is that this college caters to teacher education. The OT people are actually a separate company that came in a few years ago. I can't tell you how many times when the peecee lab is reserved and someone needs to work on something, say a Word document we'll suggest the Mac lab, and the people will say I only know how to use a computer--not a Mac. And then you gently have to instruct them that the Macs are actually more intuitive, more user-friendly, AND can read their IBM-formatted disks. MIcrosoft has done a fine brainwashing job on the general public! Hopefully they didn't mention Apple or say anything like the old Who concert bad taste jokes like I'd walk all over you for an iBook. Did they ? Actually, NBC only reported notebook computers and didn't mention iBooks or Apple at all. Later..Howard -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com --- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: $50 iBooks @ UVA
Truthfully, Most of the knowledgeable computer people I know like OS X, and are envious of it when I show it off. They like the functionality, and wish they could also have a virus free computer, and simply wish the mac was more standardized compared to PCs so they could use al the same hardware/software. mostly, though, they are still stuck on the macs are too expensive idea. Even after I show them cheap macs like the mac mini or iBook it doesn't fully sink in. They've been told otherwise for too long. They also don't quite grasp the idea that macs now use a unix based OS. Mostly, though, PC users who really know computers simply don't like apple as a company, or they don't like how elitest mac users can sometimes appear. We all know how nice these macs we have are, and why they are preferrable to PCs. But it's best we not brag about it to those who don't use Macs. It's as offensive to a PC user as when a president of an all PC college steps forward and says all of the macs that people stampeded for are worthless and he can't fathom why people would be so stupid. Instead, just let the mac speak for itself to catch others attention. You can help it talk, but try not to say bad things about the windows world, since it implies bad buying/decision making of the PC user. Catch more flies with honey than vinegar and all that. Brian On Aug 17, 2005, at 11:52 AM, Karen Thompson wrote: My Mom, who has been using computers since the TRS 80 (Trash 80 as they were affectionately called) turned 82 last week. I finally convinced her last November to buy a Mac. She got a 20 iMac and LOVES it! No viruses, no worms, no FDSIK, installing/reinstalling and general malaise of the Windoze computer. I get so tired of PC people being so negative and against Macs. They haven't even tried them. I started out on a Commodore 64, then on to a Tandy SX 1000 and from there a Gateway Pentium. Then I discovered Macs and don't plan to ever go back. Maybe a bumper sticker or something. Stamp out crime in education. Open your mind! kt From: Howard Katz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: G-Books G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 08:50:50 -0500 To: G-Books G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com Subject: Re: $50 iBooks @ UVA On 8/17/05, Krow Magnum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good for you ! Just what are they teaching them ? Having a closed mind in education is a crime. Hopefully you can spread a little knowledge with your book. The sad part is that this college caters to teacher education. The OT people are actually a separate company that came in a few years ago. I can't tell you how many times when the peecee lab is reserved and someone needs to work on something, say a Word document we'll suggest the Mac lab, and the people will say I only know how to use a computer--not a Mac. And then you gently have to instruct them that the Macs are actually more intuitive, more user-friendly, AND can read their IBM-formatted disks. MIcrosoft has done a fine brainwashing job on the general public! Hopefully they didn't mention Apple or say anything like the old Who concert bad taste jokes like I'd walk all over you for an iBook. Did they ? Actually, NBC only reported notebook computers and didn't mention iBooks or Apple at all. Later..Howard -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: $50 iBooks @ UVA
Brian wrote: I hate it when campuses go all PC. It really has nothing to do with doing the job better or saving money, it's really about a staff of incompetent IT personnel who refuse to learn anything but the most basic PC skills. Take the school I go to: all PC network, and the IT staff haven't a clue what they are doing. The wireless went down in one building for 2 weeks, the guys on site never bothered to say anything about it to anyone else despite numerous complaints, and the only answer to us students was it's not our responsibility. so the main IT office never even got word that the wireless was down. Once they did find out, they didn't even know what was wrong for another week. Complete incompetence. What really pains me is that they have a BW sitting under a table in a computer lab, no one knows how it works, no one cares, so it jsut sits there taking up space. Brian Please don't generalize about a staff of incompetent IT pushing these kinds of decisions, because at the University I work for, and several others that I know about, it's not the IT staff who hate Macs, but the IT MANAGEMENT who decide thou shalt standardize. We've lost several Mac UNIX labs over the past few years because they weren't getting enough use, and we'll save money by standardizing the labs. With the volume deals that our supplier of XP boxes gives us, we actually do save some money, unless you count the amount of time spent diagnosing problems or calling for warranty service or putting out of order signs on the PCs. A number of the IT staff actually preferred to keep the Mac UNIX labs, because there are students who otherwise have to go across campus to the CS department's building in order to use one of their UNIX labs, or go across campus to the building that houses our College of Liberal Arts, where we still maintain a couple of Mac labs. Fortunately, the standardization of the labs does not extend to the faculty and staff, and we're allowed to choose whatever platform will allow us to get the job done, whether that's MS-Windows, Mac OS9, Mac OSX, UNIX, LINUX, etc, though it is preferred that you try to be relatively current in the version of the OS you're using. The students are welcome to use whatever platform they wish, with possible exceptions where a particular class requires they use a software package that is not available on their platform of choice. Kurt -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: $50 iBooks @ UVA
On 8/17/05, Mike K [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its not that American cars are junk it's that a lot of people don't know how to take care of them. Change the oil and perform regular maintenance and 200k + miles is not a problem. I've had several American cars last this long, foreign too. Working on 201k on a Toyota and has a Pontiac Bonneville with 214k on it before I traded it. I disagree... they are junk, the Toyota will go much farther with or without regular maintenance. PC's and Macs become obsolete because of advances in technology and software requirements, not because people throw them away. I disagree again, peecees are thrown away because they die at an alarming rate and the parts of the most common computers are the cheapest low-bid parts they can find. It has nothing to do with technology. Macs don't die, except for CRT iMacs of course... Macs do become outdated but not obsolete. Peecees don't last long enough to become outdated like Macs do. Actually, NBC only reported notebook computers and didn't mention iBooks or Apple at all. Later..Howard CNN's site said the same thing Notebooks. I don't think it would be good for Apple if they used the name. I doubt the reporters even knew what they were selling. A LOT of people don't know what an iBook is, but a lot of people know what a notebook is. You are right, but I never said anything about an iBook, I was referring to Apple's name, not the name of the book. And many more people know the name iBook, rather than another like Thinkpad. Just defending the American public and fighting hate. Just defending my right to call it as it is. You may not be most people but most people are. :: Mindaugas www.mindaugas.us More robots less humans! Save our LAN! www.coloradogameralliance.com -- Ron http://krowmagnum.4mg.com/ -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
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If the Mac spoke for itself we'd have the majority of the market share. :) Of course, it would have helped if Apple did what IBM did, and allowed others access to the ROMs so clones could have been made. No, PC wonks have convinced the public that theirs machines are true computers and Macs are at best either toys or only something a graphic artist would use. Matter of fact they've even stolen the phrase PC. My PowerBook is as much a personal computer than any off-brand POS someone picks up at WalMart! (more so!) Later.Howard -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
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On Aug 17, 2005, at 11:08 AM, Kurt Cypher wrote: We've lost several Mac UNIX labs over the past few years because they weren't getting enough use, and we'll save money by standardizing the labs. With the volume deals that our supplier of XP boxes gives us, we actually do save some money, unless you count the amount of time spent diagnosing problems or calling for warranty service or putting out of order signs on the PCs. There's your solution. If you document that it is actually costing you money you might convince some of the pointy-hairs. Point out that if CNN used Macs they'd have been able to laugh at all the folks paralyzed by the Zotob virus yesterday. (Hey, at least they were careful to say it was a 'Windows computer virus' most of the time...they're learning!) That said, it's pretty easy to tell if you're dealing with idiot PHB's or idiot IT folks. I've run into my share of unreasonably Mac- hostile IT people. -- Bruce Johnson This is the sig who says 'Ni!' -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
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You bring up a good point that I completely missed. These are management decisions, not general IT decisions. I'm sorry, I've just become biased dealing with the incompetent IT at the school I go to who've actually told me, months after I started using my iBook on their wireless network that macs have never worked on their wireless network. Right, I must have imagined that internet connection into existence. Brian On Aug 17, 2005, at 1:08 PM, Kurt Cypher wrote: Please don't generalize about a staff of incompetent IT pushing these kinds of decisions, because at the University I work for, and several others that I know about, it's not the IT staff who hate Macs, but the IT MANAGEMENT who decide thou shalt standardize. We've lost several Mac UNIX labs over the past few years because they weren't getting enough use, and we'll save money by standardizing the labs. With the volume deals that our supplier of XP boxes gives us, we actually do save some money, unless you count the amount of time spent diagnosing problems or calling for warranty service or putting out of order signs on the PCs. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
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Problems with situations like these is that management either surrounds themselves with inadequate accounting staff who do not properly look into the options available, or they do not listen to their accounting staff. Good accounting staff would work closely with IT to find the best alternative monetarily and non monetarily. Clearly, this is not what happened in Kurt's example. Brian On Aug 17, 2005, at 1:29 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: There's your solution. If you document that it is actually costing you money you might convince some of the pointy-hairs. Point out that if CNN used Macs they'd have been able to laugh at all the folks paralyzed by the Zotob virus yesterday. (Hey, at least they were careful to say it was a 'Windows computer virus' most of the time...they're learning!) That said, it's pretty easy to tell if you're dealing with idiot PHB's or idiot IT folks. I've run into my share of unreasonably Mac- hostile IT people. -- Bruce Johnson This is the sig who says 'Ni!' -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
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At 01:31 PM -0600 08/17/2005, Mike K wrote: I disagree again, peecees are thrown away because they die at an alarming rate and the parts of the most common computers are the cheapest low-bid parts they can find. It has nothing to do with technology. Macs don't die, except for CRT iMacs of course... Macs do become outdated but not obsolete. Peecees don't last long enough to become outdated like Macs do. ...yer kidding right? There is a massive dose of sarcasm in there? Actually, it matches my experience. With only a few major exceptions early CRT iMacs - flyback problems and fried modems. early LCD iMacs - floppy gooseneck and suddenly dead pixels. Mac hardware is MUCH more durable than PC hardware. Between my workshop here and a friend's depot (a Mac and PC repair store), we've got a lot of working Macs. Quite dirty etc, but working. Then we've got dozens of dead PCs. Fried this or that, etc. This matches my home / personal experience too. Every Mac I've ever owned, since the 80s (Plus, II, IIci, 7100/66, 7300/120, BW, PB 180, PB G3, PB G4, etc) are ALL still working. In the last five years alone, my housemate has killed three desktop PCs and a laptop. His 4th desktop just went to the shop yesterday for repair. His new (1yro) laptop has already required repair. Don't get me wrong... I think overall software-enforced obsolescence kills off more computers than hardware failures. But it still amazes me at how fragile PC hardware is... and how willing the lemmings are to buy it. - Dan. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
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This argument has a huge flaw. Once upon a time a Mac was seriously over engineered but they are not today. A Mac largely uses components that come right off the shelf the same as PC manufacturers. The only exception would be the logic board but even there Apple is using far fewer custom chips today and utilizing off the shelf components there too. Apple's assembly quality control is probably better which accounts for Apple's lower dead on arrive rate than other manufacturers but once you've achieved burn in I don't think the argument that Apple's are higher quality holds water. It is completely true that Macs last longer than PCs but I'd argue that it is largely OS related today and not hardware. In the 90's while hardware was getting faster and faster and Microsoft released 95, 98, and Millennium, each version of the OS required faster computers, more memory, higher powered graphics cards, bigger hard drives. I upgraded my Win3 machine to Win95 but two weeks later reinstalled Win3 and bought a new computer with Win95. I didn't upgrade to Win98, I knew better. I bought a new computer. That computer wasn't too old when Win2k came out so I upgraded and lived with it for a few months before buying a new computer. I didn't upgrade to WinXP and I won't upgrade - in face based on the specs I CANNOT upgrade to WinVista. But when I bought a new PowerMac 7200 which came with MacOS 7.x every time I upgraded to the new version of the MacOS I got a faster computer! Sure, when I upgraded to OS 9 I needed more memory and by that time I had a much larger hard drive but the fact remains that from MacOS 7 through MacOS 9 while memory requirements increased the upgrade didn't create a speed hit - it gave a speed increase. Now the shift to OS X required that I buy a new computer but from OS 10.1 through 10.3 I got a faster computer and if 10.4 didn't give me greater speed it didn't slow it down either. And that is why I think Macs are lasting longer than PCs. David - who not only posses every Mac he's ever bought (except for the PowerBook that tried urban surfing) but also still has all but one Windows PC he's ever bought. (It's just that the older PCs are now running linux, not windows) At 01:31 PM -0600 08/17/2005, Mike K wrote: I disagree again, peecees are thrown away because they die at an alarming rate and the parts of the most common computers are the cheapest low-bid parts they can find. It has nothing to do with technology. Macs don't die, except for CRT iMacs of course... Macs do become outdated but not obsolete. Peecees don't last long enough to become outdated like Macs do. ...yer kidding right? There is a massive dose of sarcasm in there? Actually, it matches my experience. With only a few major exceptions early CRT iMacs - flyback problems and fried modems. early LCD iMacs - floppy gooseneck and suddenly dead pixels. Mac hardware is MUCH more durable than PC hardware. Between my workshop here and a friend's depot (a Mac and PC repair store), we've got a lot of working Macs. Quite dirty etc, but working. Then we've got dozens of dead PCs. Fried this or that, etc. This matches my home / personal experience too. Every Mac I've ever owned, since the 80s (Plus, II, IIci, 7100/66, 7300/120, BW, PB 180, PB G3, PB G4, etc) are ALL still working. In the last five years alone, my housemate has killed three desktop PCs and a laptop. His 4th desktop just went to the shop yesterday for repair. His new (1yro) laptop has already required repair. Don't get me wrong... I think overall software-enforced obsolescence kills off more computers than hardware failures. But it still amazes me at how fragile PC hardware is... and how willing the lemmings are to buy it. - Dan. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com --- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books
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On 8/17/05, Mike K [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PC's and Macs become obsolete because of advances in technology and software requirements, not because people throw them away. I disagree again, peecees are thrown away because they die at an alarming rate and the parts of the most common computers are the cheapest low-bid parts they can find. It has nothing to do with technology. Macs don't die, except for CRT iMacs of course... Macs do become outdated but not obsolete. Peecees don't last long enough to become outdated like Macs do. ...yer kidding right? There is a massive dose of sarcasm in there? Nope, I'm serious. How many Macs have you had die on you ? How many peecees ? Granted, there are always a number of faulty products that make it to the consumers but Macs are generally built with higher quality components than peecees. :: Mindaugas www.mindaugas.us More robots less humans! Save our LAN! www.coloradogameralliance.com -- Ron http://krowmagnum.4mg.com/ -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
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On 8/17/05, david [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This argument has a huge flaw. Once upon a time a Mac was seriously over engineered but they are not today. A Mac largely uses components that come right off the shelf the same as PC manufacturers. The only exception would be the logic board but even there Apple is using far fewer custom chips today and utilizing off the shelf components there too. Apple's assembly quality control is probably better which accounts for Apple's lower dead on arrive rate than other manufacturers but once you've achieved burn in I don't think the argument that Apple's are higher quality holds water. Everything is off some shelf somewhere But Mac parts don't come off the bottom shelf or the bargain bin like so many peecee makers use. I don't think Apple's high quality standard is what it used to be but it's still better than average by far. You get what you pay for.. -- Ron http://krowmagnum.4mg.com/ -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
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At 07:54 PM -0400 08/17/2005, Krow Magnum wrote: On 8/17/05, david [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This argument has a huge flaw. Once upon a time a Mac was seriously over engineered but they are not today. Everything is off some shelf somewhere But Mac parts don't come off the bottom shelf or the bargain bin like so many peecee makers use. Exactly. If they were bargain bin then my friend's shop would have like numbers of broken PM G4, PM G5, and iMac G5. But since Sept last year, he's had only one PM G5 come in for repair... heat problem because the owner ran it with both the metal and plastic skins off; bolluxed the air flow. - Dan. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
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On Aug 17, 2005, at 7:50 PM, Krow Magnum wrote: How many Macs have you had die on you ? How many peecees ? It's not so much the dying which can happen anywhere, but the WinRot: http://www.oreillynet.com/lpt/wlg/7565: Will Vista Clean Up WinRot? by Preston Gralla Aug. 9, 2005 [my comments in [ ] -- TjL] You're not imagining it --- the older your PC gets, and the more you use it, the slower it gets. [again we see PC as being used exclusively for Windows] The phenomenon is called WinRot. It's caused by lots of things: programs with sloppy uninstall routines that litter your hard drive with their leavings; conflicts between several different versions of the same DLL; Registry gunk; invisible startup programs; and more. [All of which are not a problem in OS X] Microsoft claims that it's got the problem on its radar, and that Vista will stop the rot. [rght... raise your hand if you buy it...] Vista will include a control panel applet that monitors system performance, and that will suggest what startup programs may be causing problems. Microsoft also says it's cleaning up the plumbing to fix the DLL conflict problem. And it's adding new features such as automatic disk defragmentation that it says will help as well. [they are focusing on cleaning up the problem after it happens, rather than preventing it] I'm only partially convinced. Some of the rot-stopping features, such as SuperFetch are essentially juiced-up versions of existing features, and don't seem as if they'll necessarily do much good. For example, even if you regularly defrag your system, it still slows down over time, and so automatic defragging won't solve the problem. [exactly] Still, it's heartening to know that Microsoft recognizes WinRot, and will at least partly solve it. On the other hand, the less WinRot there is, the less excuse there is to buy a new PC every year or two. [it's taken this long for MS to recognize WinRot?] -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
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I heard on the news this afternoon there was a stampede at UVA and people got hurt waiting in line to buy a $50 iBook. Police had to be brought in to quiet the crowd. Other people were talking around me so couldn't hear why it started. Anyone know? Anyone out there actually go? If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is. kt -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
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On Tuesday, August 16, 2005, at 05:31 PM, Karen Thompson wrote: I heard on the news this afternoon there was a stampede at UVA and people got hurt waiting in line to buy a $50 iBook. Police had to be brought in to quiet the crowd. Other people were talking around me so couldn't hear why it started. Anyone know? Anyone out there actually go? http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/08/16/computer.frenzy.ap/index.html -- Alan Miller Underwater Photographer °°.°.°.°. http://home.earthlink.net/~uwphoto/ Lombard400, 512MB RAM, OS X.2.8 eBay ID uwphotoer Live each day like it is your last because someday you'll be right. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
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On Tuesday, August 16, 2005, at 05:40 PM, Karen Thompson wrote: Thanks for that link. The whole thing is rather scary and a public relations nightmare (but maybe good press for Apple). Bet they won't do it that way again. The funniest thing about it all is if you noticed there were about 1000 people waiting in line for 1000 laptops. Americans really are poor with the queue... -- Alan Miller Underwater Photographer °°.°.°.°. http://home.earthlink.net/~uwphoto/ Lombard400, 512MB RAM, OS X.2.8 eBay ID uwphotoer Live each day like it is your last because someday you'll be right. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
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The best thing would have been for the police or whoever was in charge to start turning away people after there were 1000 in line. Such a simple thing to do and it wasn't done... Steve -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
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On 16/08/05 17:50, Alan Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday, August 16, 2005, at 05:40 PM, Karen Thompson wrote: Thanks for that link. The whole thing is rather scary and a public relations nightmare (but maybe good press for Apple). Bet they won't do it that way again. The funniest thing about it all is if you noticed there were about 1000 people waiting in line for 1000 laptops. Americans really are poor with the queue... I've read from another source that the crowd was estimated to be at least 5,500 people, while some were saying that there were at least twice that number waiting in line... -Laurent. -- Laurent Daudelin Developer, Multifamily, ESO, Fannie Mae mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Washington, DC, USA Usual disclaimers apply *** -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
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Only in America! It's a sad commentary on money, greed and conspicuous consumption in this country. I think you are right Michelle, some of these will definitely end up on eBay. Why didn't they just donate to the Christina Foundation or another charitable org and take the write off? Sometimes I wonder about the administrative brains (or not) in education after years working for a community college with no fiscal responsibility. Of course at the college I worked for, they just put Macs in the dumpster. Go figure! kt From: Michelle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: G-Books G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 17:24:23 -0500 To: G-Books G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com Subject: Re: $50 iBooks @ UVA On Tuesday, August 16, 2005, at 05:31 PM, Karen Thompson wrote: I heard on the news this afternoon there was a stampede at UVA Unbelievable! And I have to wonder how many of those iBooks will be on eBay (for well *more* than $50) in the next day or so? Take care, Michelle Herd on an iBook G4 14 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.happydogsrescue.com - -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
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On Aug 16, 2005, at 4:23 PM, Karen Thompson wrote: Only in America! It's a sad commentary on money, greed and conspicuous consumption in this country. If you think Only in America, oh, dear, you are so, sooo wrong...greed is a natural human condition. I think you are right Michelle, some of these will definitely end up on eBay. Why didn't they just donate to the Christina Foundation or another charitable org and take the write off? Because as a government entity they're non-profit, ergo, no tax write- off and they have to go through specific procedures dispose of surplus systems; most of the time these rules are deeply convoluted because people are always good at manipulating them for personal profit. Also, having worked in .edu and non-profits for quite a while, I can tell you that our systems tend to get run into the ground before we send 'em off to Surplus Property. Of course at the college I worked for, they just put Macs in the dumpster. Go figure! Hey, more for the dumpster divers! I should hope you rescued at least some of them... -- Bruce Johnson This is the sig who says 'Ni!' -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
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CBS even did a story about it on the national news at 6:30. said there was over 5000 people, and even had some footage of them opening the gates. The problem was it was held at the race way, and the building was not close to the gate they opened so everyone went running for the building.. On Tuesday, August 16, 2005, at 07:42 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Aug 16, 2005, at 4:23 PM, Karen Thompson wrote: Of course at the college I worked for, they just put Macs in the dumpster. Go figure! Hey, more for the dumpster divers! I should hope you rescued at least some of them... I have so many Macs, and I can get more from a local Non Profit, that I can't find homes for all the stuff -- Alan Miller Underwater Photographer °°.°.°.°. http://home.earthlink.net/~uwphoto/ Lombard400, 512MB RAM, OS X.2.8 eBay ID uwphotoer Live each day like it is your last because someday you'll be right. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
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I wish I could say I was a dumpster diver and got some of those Macs, but alas, it hit the local news before we knew what was happening. But now I'm keeping a sharp eye as I understand the Windoze systems have won out and next fiscal year the Macs will be history. (They have already replaced the student labs with Windoze systems.) I'd like to have my old dual processor G4 with the 20 Cinema display. Up until recently, the systems were changed out every two years so we were fortunate at one time to have the latest and the greatest. Alas, no more. Not even OS upgrades. I realize greed is a natural human condition but I've traveled all over the world and have never seen in other countries what I've seen here. But then perhaps it's where I live. Annapolis, Maryland the Sailboating Capital of the World a/k/a Ego Alley. But then there are other rivals, Newport, RI and Auckland, New Zealand. kt From: Bruce Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: G-Books G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 16:42:39 -0700 To: G-Books G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com Subject: Re: $50 iBooks @ UVA On Aug 16, 2005, at 4:23 PM, Karen Thompson wrote: Only in America! It's a sad commentary on money, greed and conspicuous consumption in this country. If you think Only in America, oh, dear, you are so, sooo wrong...greed is a natural human condition. I think you are right Michelle, some of these will definitely end up on eBay. Why didn't they just donate to the Christina Foundation or another charitable org and take the write off? Because as a government entity they're non-profit, ergo, no tax write- off and they have to go through specific procedures dispose of surplus systems; most of the time these rules are deeply convoluted because people are always good at manipulating them for personal profit. Also, having worked in .edu and non-profits for quite a while, I can tell you that our systems tend to get run into the ground before we send 'em off to Surplus Property. Of course at the college I worked for, they just put Macs in the dumpster. Go figure! Hey, more for the dumpster divers! I should hope you rescued at least some of them... -- Bruce Johnson This is the sig who says 'Ni!' -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
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I hate it when campuses go all PC. It really has nothing to do with doing the job better or saving money, it's really about a staff of incompetent IT personnel who refuse to learn anything but the most basic PC skills. Take the school I go to: all PC network, and the IT staff haven't a clue what they are doing. The wireless went down in one building for 2 weeks, the guys on site never bothered to say anything about it to anyone else despite numerous complaints, and the only answer to us students was it's not our responsibility. so the main IT office never even got word that the wireless was down. Once they did find out, they didn't even know what was wrong for another week. Complete incompetence. What really pains me is that they have a BW sitting under a table in a computer lab, no one knows how it works, no one cares, so it jsut sits there taking up space. Brian On Aug 16, 2005, at 7:27 PM, Karen Thompson wrote: I wish I could say I was a dumpster diver and got some of those Macs, but alas, it hit the local news before we knew what was happening. But now I'm keeping a sharp eye as I understand the Windoze systems have won out and next fiscal year the Macs will be history. (They have already replaced the student labs with Windoze systems.) I'd like to have my old dual processor G4 with the 20 Cinema display. Up until recently, the systems were changed out every two years so we were fortunate at one time to have the latest and the greatest. Alas, no more. Not even OS upgrades. I realize greed is a natural human condition but I've traveled all over the world and have never seen in other countries what I've seen here. But then perhaps it's where I live. Annapolis, Maryland the Sailboating Capital of the World a/k/a Ego Alley. But then there are other rivals, Newport, RI and Auckland, New Zealand. kt From: Bruce Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: G-Books G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 16:42:39 -0700 To: G-Books G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com Subject: Re: $50 iBooks @ UVA On Aug 16, 2005, at 4:23 PM, Karen Thompson wrote: Only in America! It's a sad commentary on money, greed and conspicuous consumption in this country. If you think Only in America, oh, dear, you are so, sooo wrong...greed is a natural human condition. I think you are right Michelle, some of these will definitely end up on eBay. Why didn't they just donate to the Christina Foundation or another charitable org and take the write off? Because as a government entity they're non-profit, ergo, no tax write- off and they have to go through specific procedures dispose of surplus systems; most of the time these rules are deeply convoluted because people are always good at manipulating them for personal profit. Also, having worked in .edu and non-profits for quite a while, I can tell you that our systems tend to get run into the ground before we send 'em off to Surplus Property. Of course at the college I worked for, they just put Macs in the dumpster. Go figure! Hey, more for the dumpster divers! I should hope you rescued at least some of them... -- Bruce Johnson This is the sig who says 'Ni!' -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: $50 iBooks @ UVA
On Tuesday, August 16, 2005, at 08:27 PM, Karen Thompson wrote: I realize greed is a natural human condition but I've traveled all over the world and have never seen in other countries what I've seen here. The best example for me is to stand at the airport and wait for luggage on the carousel. in the US I think people feel the closer they get to the conveyer the faster their luggage will show up. Just step back and give everyone some room. theirs might show up first and not yours. sorry for the rant -- Alan Miller Underwater Photographer °°.°.°.°. http://home.earthlink.net/~uwphoto/ Lombard400, 512MB RAM, OS X.2.8 eBay ID uwphotoer Live each day like it is your last because someday you'll be right. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
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I think it is disgusting when students are not given the opportunity to explore different operating systems. And yes, it is the IT staff that have no imagination or inclination to learn another OS. They are biased and just plain lazy. I'm sure there are some out there who would jump at the opportunity to learn something other than Windoze. What is definitely puzzling to me is the Mac systems were taken out of graphic design labs. The college offers an AA in communication arts. In the real world about 85% of design studios and print shops use Mac systems. How does that prepare the student for the industry? It doesn't. Of course, when I went to college, there were no computers. We did everything by hand, including lettering. The good old days of paste-up with mylar, wax and Xacto knives. And then there were the Vari-typer machines that preceeded our modern computers for typesetting. I much prefer our technology of today but wish those who don't do the work, don't make the decisions of the tools professionals use. As for that BW computer, talk to the lab personnel. Maybe you can make a deal and free up that space for yet another Windoze machine. kt From: Brian [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: G-Books G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 19:38:42 -0500 To: G-Books G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com Subject: Re: $50 iBooks @ UVA I hate it when campuses go all PC. It really has nothing to do with doing the job better or saving money, it's really about a staff of incompetent IT personnel who refuse to learn anything but the most basic PC skills. Take the school I go to: all PC network, and the IT staff haven't a clue what they are doing. The wireless went down in one building for 2 weeks, the guys on site never bothered to say anything about it to anyone else despite numerous complaints, and the only answer to us students was it's not our responsibility. so the main IT office never even got word that the wireless was down. Once they did find out, they didn't even know what was wrong for another week. Complete incompetence. What really pains me is that they have a BW sitting under a table in a computer lab, no one knows how it works, no one cares, so it jsut sits there taking up space. Brian On Aug 16, 2005, at 7:27 PM, Karen Thompson wrote: I wish I could say I was a dumpster diver and got some of those Macs, but alas, it hit the local news before we knew what was happening. But now I'm keeping a sharp eye as I understand the Windoze systems have won out and next fiscal year the Macs will be history. (They have already replaced the student labs with Windoze systems.) I'd like to have my old dual processor G4 with the 20 Cinema display. Up until recently, the systems were changed out every two years so we were fortunate at one time to have the latest and the greatest. Alas, no more. Not even OS upgrades. I realize greed is a natural human condition but I've traveled all over the world and have never seen in other countries what I've seen here. But then perhaps it's where I live. Annapolis, Maryland the Sailboating Capital of the World a/k/a Ego Alley. But then there are other rivals, Newport, RI and Auckland, New Zealand. kt From: Bruce Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: G-Books G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 16:42:39 -0700 To: G-Books G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com Subject: Re: $50 iBooks @ UVA On Aug 16, 2005, at 4:23 PM, Karen Thompson wrote: Only in America! It's a sad commentary on money, greed and conspicuous consumption in this country. If you think Only in America, oh, dear, you are so, sooo wrong...greed is a natural human condition. I think you are right Michelle, some of these will definitely end up on eBay. Why didn't they just donate to the Christina Foundation or another charitable org and take the write off? Because as a government entity they're non-profit, ergo, no tax write- off and they have to go through specific procedures dispose of surplus systems; most of the time these rules are deeply convoluted because people are always good at manipulating them for personal profit. Also, having worked in .edu and non-profits for quite a while, I can tell you that our systems tend to get run into the ground before we send 'em off to Surplus Property. Of course at the college I worked for, they just put Macs in the dumpster. Go figure! Hey, more for the dumpster divers! I should hope you rescued at least some of them... -- Bruce Johnson This is the sig who says 'Ni!' -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto
Re: $50 iBooks @ UVA
From: Alan Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: G-Books G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 20:41:31 -0400 To: G-Books G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com Subject: Re: $50 iBooks @ UVA On Tuesday, August 16, 2005, at 08:27 PM, Karen Thompson wrote: I realize greed is a natural human condition but I've traveled all over the world and have never seen in other countries what I've seen here. The best example for me is to stand at the airport and wait for luggage on the carousel. in the US I think people feel the closer they get to the conveyer the faster their luggage will show up. Just step back and give everyone some room. theirs might show up first and not yours. sorry for the rant -- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
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So true! It's not a rant, just a reality! kt From: Alan Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: G-Books G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 20:41:31 -0400 To: G-Books G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com Subject: Re: $50 iBooks @ UVA On Tuesday, August 16, 2005, at 08:27 PM, Karen Thompson wrote: I realize greed is a natural human condition but I've traveled all over the world and have never seen in other countries what I've seen here. The best example for me is to stand at the airport and wait for luggage on the carousel. in the US I think people feel the closer they get to the conveyer the faster their luggage will show up. Just step back and give everyone some room. theirs might show up first and not yours. sorry for the rant -- Alan Miller Underwater Photographer °°.°.°.°. http://home.earthlink.net/~uwphoto/ Lombard400, 512MB RAM, OS X.2.8 eBay ID uwphotoer Live each day like it is your last because someday you'll be right. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: $50 iBooks @ UVA
On 8/16/05, Karen Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it is disgusting when students are not given the opportunity to explore different operating systems. And yes, it is the IT staff that have no imagination or inclination to learn another OS. They are biased and just plain lazy. I'm sure there are some out there who would jump at the opportunity to learn something other than Windoze. It always amazes me how many computer people are stupid. But that's what most are taught in the vocational schools called Colleges and Universities these days. Ron http://krowmagnum.4mg.com/ -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
