Apple Mail how about Office
It takes real guts to run a business that is over shadowed by a corporate entity that gets and gives anything it wants because the govt.is bought and paid for. The Mac will not survive without an office suite. This is the last M$ bloated piece of crapsuite and Apple knows it. So maybe not this day but it's coming. The Mac will not survive without an office suite. Well a new day, maybe sooner then later. So you all have fun with Office, I hope I am not forced to buy this release, so far pre med needed it once 3 years ago and in engineering and oceanography never. I hope Apple kicks their ass and they just might do it. If not, better to go out with all you have then try to walk softly past the biggest Robber of technology in the world and hope not to wake him up. That's a wimpy way to go. In business when your the owner, you play fair but play to win and to succeed. Head to head, Apple could lose but at least Steve has guts. Geoff The latest suit also lends credibility to recent rumors about a Macintosh computer without a display and an office productivity software suite that surfaced in the run-up to Apple's annual trade show held here next week, http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsArticle.jhtml? type=internetNewsstoryID=7250030section=newssrc=rss/uk/internetNews On Dec 24, 2004, at 12:13 PM, Aaron Willems wrote: ake a chill pill. I'm the biggest Mac fan on the planet. I even have my own website dedicated to my platform of choice. I have a G5 at home, that is completely Microsoft free. I keep all my Microsoft Applications on my G4 PowerBook, which I use to access the office when I'm offsite. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: apple mail
If you don't use the other languages all they do is take up space on your HD. There is a program to remove these extraneous languages, called Delocalizer. It can remove all the unnecessary files from all over the system with just a couple of clicks. Marcin Wichary e:\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] w:\ www.aci.com.pl/mwichary Attached w:\ www.aci.com.pl/mwichary/gui Graphical User Interface gallery w:\ www.10yearsofbeingboring.com 10 years of Being Boring w:\ www.usability.pl Usability.pl -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: apple mail
I'm running OS 10.3.7 and it shows mail as 18Mb, 24Mb on disk. Time to re-install the mail app. Probably wouldn't hurt, but mine is the same size as Jim's (5 MB on disk, 4,085,684, version 1.3.9, Panther 10.3.7), a far cry from 18 MB. Mine says 5meg also the other day I was having trouble with it not launching very fast off the dock it was a t lest 30 to 45 sec. so through away my mail preference that did the trick OK, I did not try throwing away the mail preferences, can some one give me instructions on how to do that. My mail application version 1.2.5 , shows 15.6 MB. on my IBook G3-800mhz. Is there away to connect the 2 computers together and drag my mail application to the other computer? Thanks, bob -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: apple mail
OK, I did not try throwing away the mail preferences, can some one give me instructions on how to do that. 1) go to your home directory 2) go to Library/Preferences 3) delete (or better yet, move to a safer place, say your home dir) the file named com.apple.mail.plist Marcin Wichary e:\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] w:\ www.aci.com.pl/mwichary Attached w:\ www.aci.com.pl/mwichary/gui Graphical User Interface gallery w:\ www.10yearsofbeingboring.com 10 years of Being Boring w:\ www.usability.pl Usability.pl -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: apple mail
I'm running OS 10.3.7 and it shows mail as 18Mb, 24Mb on disk. Time to re-install the mail app. Probably wouldn't hurt, but mine is the same size as Jim's (5 MB on disk, 4,085,684, version 1.3.9, Panther 10.3.7), a far cry from 18 MB. Marcin Wichary e:\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] w:\ www.aci.com.pl/mwichary Attached w:\ www.aci.com.pl/mwichary/gui Graphical User Interface gallery w:\ www.10yearsofbeingboring.com 10 years of Being Boring w:\ www.usability.pl Usability.pl -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: apple mail
At 3:47 PM +0100 1/10/05, Marcin Wichary wrote: I'm running OS 10.3.7 and it shows mail as 18Mb, 24Mb on disk. Time to re-install the mail app. Probably wouldn't hurt, but mine is the same size as Jim's (5 MB on disk, 4,085,684, version 1.3.9, Panther 10.3.7), a far cry from 18 MB. Mine is almost identical to Marcin's except that rather than 4,085,684 Bytes, mine reads 4,087,667. But what's 1,983 Bytes in the great scheme of things? -- Sincerely, Dennis B. Swaney Windows is a command-line OS with a GUI shell while Mac System 10 is ... oh, never mind. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: apple mail
On Jan 10, 2005, at 7:47 AM, Marcin Wichary wrote: I'm running OS 10.3.7 and it shows mail as 18Mb, 24Mb on disk. Time to re-install the mail app. Probably wouldn't hurt, but mine is the same size as Jim's (5 MB on disk, 4,085,684, version 1.3.9, Panther 10.3.7), a far cry from 18 MB. Mine says 5meg also the other day I was having trouble with it not launching very fast off the dock it was a t lest 30 to 45 sec. so through away my mail preference that did the trick Michael Sharon Vogt -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: apple mail
At 8:00 AM -0700 1/10/05, R Michael Vogt wrote: On Jan 10, 2005, at 7:47 AM, Marcin Wichary wrote: I'm running OS 10.3.7 and it shows mail as 18Mb, 24Mb on disk. Time to re-install the mail app. Probably wouldn't hurt, but mine is the same size as Jim's (5 MB on disk, 4,085,684, version 1.3.9, Panther 10.3.7), a far cry from 18 MB. Mine says 5meg also the other day I was having trouble with it not launching very fast off the dock it was a t lest 30 to 45 sec. so through away my mail preference that did the trick I just looked inside my copy (18Mb). Big surprise as to why it's so large, it has the full language support installed. This is a new machine with the original Apple OS install plus one update. Each language resource folder is 1.3 Mb or so. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: apple mail
Clark Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 8:00 AM -0700 1/10/05, R Michael Vogt wrote: On Jan 10, 2005, at 7:47 AM, Marcin Wichary wrote: I'm running OS 10.3.7 and it shows mail as 18Mb, 24Mb on disk. Time to re-install the mail app. Probably wouldn't hurt, but mine is the same size as Jim's (5 MB on disk, 4,085,684, version 1.3.9, Panther 10.3.7), a far cry from 18 MB. Mine says 5meg also the other day I was having trouble with it not launching very fast off the dock it was a t lest 30 to 45 sec. so through away my mail preference that did the trick I just looked inside my copy (18Mb). Big surprise as to why it's so large, it has the full language support installed. This is a new machine with the original Apple OS install plus one update. Each language resource folder is 1.3 Mb or so. I started using OS X about three months ago, still a raw newbie here. I did the Easy Install of OS X 10.3 off a retail CD, upgraded to 10.3.7. Mail is v1.3.9 and, like Clark Martin reported initially, the Size info is 24 MB on disk (18,020,887 bytes). Three questions: Why the 6 MB difference in the info? How/where do you find the language resource folders? Any harm in letting the non-English folders sit there? thanks, Al Poulin Anger, hate, and revenge are for the devil, forgiveness is for God, proactive self-defense is for the rest of us. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: apple mail
At 8:22 PM -0500 1/10/05, Al Poulin wrote: Clark Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just looked inside my copy (18Mb). Big surprise as to why it's so large, it has the full language support installed. This is a new machine with the original Apple OS install plus one update. Each language resource folder is 1.3 Mb or so. I started using OS X about three months ago, still a raw newbie here. I did the Easy Install of OS X 10.3 off a retail CD, upgraded to 10.3.7. Mail is v1.3.9 and, like Clark Martin reported initially, the Size info is 24 MB on disk (18,020,887 bytes). Three questions: Why the 6 MB difference in the info? How/where do you find the language resource folders? Any harm in letting the non-English folders sit there? The 6Mb difference is do to lots and lots of files (4000+), many are small. If a file takes up 3000 bytes it is allocated 4096 bytes on disk. Multiply that by many files and you end up with a fair bit of unused disk space. The Mail Application is really a Package. Simply put a package is a folder with assorted sub folders and files. The system knows about packages and normally displays them as an Application. You can look inside by holding down the control key as you click on one. A contextual menu comes up, select Show Package Contents. It will open the Package folder and you can look around inside like any other folder. I caution you about changing anything inside however, it could royally mess up the program. If you are familiar with ResEdit, it is the OS X equivalent. If you don't use the other languages all they do is take up space on your HD. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
apple mail
I am trying to help another guy who has a powerbook with OS 10.3 on it. When attempting to use the mail application, nothing happens. It just won't open. I did a find command which shows it as being on the hard drive and command I , which shows about 3mg in size but can not get it do do anything. I have tried repairing permissions and have also run techtools with out any luck. I do not have the original OS 10.3 to do a reinstall. Anybody have other ideas? Thanks, bob -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: apple mail
My copy of Mail shows 5 megs??? Jim On Jan 9, 2005, at 4:44 PM, robert stiefvater wrote: I am trying to help another guy who has a powerbook with OS 10.3 on it. When attempting to use the mail application, nothing happens. It just won't open. I did a find command which shows it as being on the hard drive and command I , which shows about 3mg in size but can not get it do do anything. I have tried repairing permissions and have also run techtools with out any luck. I do not have the original OS 10.3 to do a reinstall. Anybody have other ideas? -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: apple mail
At 5:44 PM -0600 1/9/05, robert stiefvater wrote: I am trying to help another guy who has a powerbook with OS 10.3 on it. When attempting to use the mail application, nothing happens. It just won't open. I did a find command which shows it as being on the hard drive and command I , which shows about 3mg in size but can not get it do do anything. I have tried repairing permissions and have also run techtools with out any luck. I do not have the original OS 10.3 to do a reinstall. I'm running OS 10.3.7 and it shows mail as 18Mb, 24Mb on disk. Time to re-install the mail app. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Entourage (Was: Apple Mail)
On Sun, 26 Dec 2004, Kyle Hansen wrote: On 12/26/04 5:40 AM, Timothy Luoma [EMAIL PROTECTED] Spew into the Cybertrough: On Dec 25, 2004, at 10:30 PM, Frank P. Eigler wrote: On Fri, 24 Dec 2004, Dennis B. Swaney wrote: Outlook Express was just a basic email program. Outlook itself is a Personal Information Manager (PIM) and contains email, contacts, calender, notes, plus a couple of more things. Entourage is the renamed Outlook for Macintosh. As I thought. Therefore, aren't some security issues (don't ask; I'm just parroting what I've heard/read) surrounding Outlook also to be found in Entourage? Or was that just M$ bashing? As I understand it, most of the virus/worm openings in Outlook/Outlook Express have to do with the way that it interacts with the OS as a whole. While Entourage may, essentially, be Outlook for Macintosh, I don't believe there is any validity to the statement that Entourage shares Outlook/Outlook Express holes. There is not a single Entourage hole. It is far more secure than any other Macintosh Mail program including Apple's own. Kyle Hansen Have you used Entourage? If not, what's your email client of choice? Ever use Eudora? That's what I've basically grown up with (and maybe feeling a bit restless with it). Would you recommend a switch from Eudora to Entourage? -- Non Illegitimi Carborundum -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Apple Mail
Andrew F. said: Where the older Entourage cannot compete with Mail is in spam filtering, which is much improved in Entourage 2004. SpamSieve fixes that. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Entourage (Was: Apple Mail)
Frank P. Eigler said: Dennis B. Swaney wrote: Outlook Express was just a basic email program. Outlook itself is a Personal Information Manager (PIM) and contains email, contacts, calender, notes, plus a couple of more things. Entourage is the renamed Outlook for Macintosh. Nope. See below. As I thought. Therefore, aren't some security issues (don't ask; I'm just parroting what I've heard/read) surrounding Outlook also to be found in Entourage? Or was that just M$ bashing? If you don't have any basis for what you state, you're only spreading FUD. Timothy Luoma said: While Entourage may, essentially, be Outlook for Macintosh, I don't believe there is any validity to the statement that Entourage shares Outlook/Outlook Express holes. Exactly. I see no proof that Entourage and Outlook for PC share code, nor for Outlook on the Mac. Therefore to say that Entourage is the renamed Outlook for Macintosh is totally false. If there are any substantiated verifiable facts that they do share code, put then on the tabel please. These apps should be treated as separate entities with their separate set of problems. I kinda like Entourage, but it's a bit slow unless you have stellar new hardware. I really think PowerMail http://www.ctmdev.com beats them all. I'm not sure how it plays with Exchange servers, but I don't see why POP and SMTP wouldn't just work (barring the possibility that Exchange only have non-standard MS-POP and MS-SMTP). Anyway, I think PowerMail let's me see and deal with a lot of messages (currently 150 000+ on 200+ folders), search among these at blistering speeds and let me focus on *the messages*, not the app in question. It doesn't have the calendar and task functionality of Entourage, but I use Palm Desktop and Fast Track Schedule in that area and feel this works well for me. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Apple Mail
Never tried it. Whenever possible I like to take a minimalist approach to what I put on my computers. SBC Yahoo has pretty good spam filtering at the server level, and then I use Entourage for my business accounts and Apple Mail for my personal accounts (I like to keep them so TOTALLY separate) on Macintosh, or Outlook 2000 (no filtering) for business and Mozilla Thunderbird (personal - much more spam to filter) on my Windows machine. Andrew -Original Message- From: G-Books [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mikael Bystrom Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 5:43 PM To: G-Books Subject: Re: Apple Mail Andrew F. said: Where the older Entourage cannot compete with Mail is in spam filtering, which is much improved in Entourage 2004. SpamSieve fixes that. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com --- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Apple Mail
Next version no way. This Guy has over 30 Billion and growing. The paltry act of Office for the Mac is not going to give Bill a second of worry about money. However losing out on style, functionality and development of programs, that takes away from the glow of his empire, will give him a second thought, eliminate it. Remeber the Steve and Bill show has not been one of love and respect. You do not understand men of power, they have money and all that comes with it, all that you could possibly dream of times a billion and still have 30 left. What feeds them is to destroy and conquer. Their ruthless and anything that would take away from their industrial image as being the elite, they will destroy. That's what get them off. Thats the drive of men who have power. So Apple, the computer and software I prefer, should be planning for this day. There will be another type of Office for Mac, only it will not be from MS, the monopoly inquiry is over, MS won. I support companies that do things right. I will pay more and work a bit harder on less robust software to give my money to the companies that support the Mac. I would not call MS a Mac supporter. Losing I.E. was but the first shot. Adobe is getting restless. So to everyone that loves Office great, you have your choice in life. Maybe it does make your job easier and you do not have to work as hard, a seemingly American trait. I prefer the people who work harder to make the Mac survive, software and retail. Those folks bust their ass off on slim margins to make it work. They take chances in life, it makes you feel alive to do that. I can usually get hardware and software from the big retailers cheaper, especially shipping. However I am but 2% of their business. So I go to the smaller operations that just support the Mac, software and retail. There I get real people that understand what their selling and how it works, instead of just reading off a screen. I guess I have a choice too, until Bill has his dream fulfilled . So enjoy Macs at home and keep the issue that Macs are not for business alive. I apologize as I really could not understand why people would think Macs are not serious computers and not for business. This is a huge wall to sales of Macs. If you have a thousand people on Macs but there running MS office, it still says to the workers, we have Apple computers but there is no software for the Mac. One of the workers wants a computer. I use Microsoft Office at work what kind of computer should I buy. Enjoy Geoff On Dec 25, 2004, at 7:21 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There will be another version of Office for the simple reason that the Mac BU makes money which is the only thing that gets Bill off. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Entourage (Was: Apple Mail)
On Dec 25, 2004, at 10:30 PM, Frank P. Eigler wrote: On Fri, 24 Dec 2004, Dennis B. Swaney wrote: Outlook Express was just a basic email program. Outlook itself is a Personal Information Manager (PIM) and contains email, contacts, calender, notes, plus a couple of more things. Entourage is the renamed Outlook for Macintosh. As I thought. Therefore, aren't some security issues (don't ask; I'm just parroting what I've heard/read) surrounding Outlook also to be found in Entourage? Or was that just M$ bashing? As I understand it, most of the virus/worm openings in Outlook/Outlook Express have to do with the way that it interacts with the OS as a whole. While Entourage may, essentially, be Outlook for Macintosh, I don't believe there is any validity to the statement that Entourage shares Outlook/Outlook Express holes. That said, Outlook Express for Mac used to have security problems, but I don't know if that was for OS9 or OSX (I believe it was OS9). Entourage is, I believe, a completely new product that has not been shown to have any security flaws that I am aware of. So I would say that it would be FALSE to say that Entourage shares Outlook/Outlook Express security issues, and that would sound like Microsoft bashing. TjL -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Entourage (Was: Apple Mail)
On 12/26/04 5:40 AM, Timothy Luoma [EMAIL PROTECTED] Spew into the Cybertrough: On Dec 25, 2004, at 10:30 PM, Frank P. Eigler wrote: On Fri, 24 Dec 2004, Dennis B. Swaney wrote: Outlook Express was just a basic email program. Outlook itself is a Personal Information Manager (PIM) and contains email, contacts, calender, notes, plus a couple of more things. Entourage is the renamed Outlook for Macintosh. As I thought. Therefore, aren't some security issues (don't ask; I'm just parroting what I've heard/read) surrounding Outlook also to be found in Entourage? Or was that just M$ bashing? As I understand it, most of the virus/worm openings in Outlook/Outlook Express have to do with the way that it interacts with the OS as a whole. While Entourage may, essentially, be Outlook for Macintosh, I don't believe there is any validity to the statement that Entourage shares Outlook/Outlook Express holes. There is not a single Entourage hole. It is far more secure than any other Macintosh Mail program including Apple's own. Kyle Hansen -- The best way out is always through. -- Robert Frost -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Apple Mail
Using Office on my Mac is not in any way a sell-out, and wanting to streamline my work does not make me lazy. Here is an example. I have three word processors on my Mac, Word 2004, Nisus Express (my favorite) and AppleWorks. All three can open and save to MS Word format, and for my own writing, Nisus is usually the choice. However, and this is a very big however, I still use Word the most. Word opens Word documents natively, without need of translation, and saves them natively as well. When using any other program, unless I'm dealing with a very simple document and no formatting, I always have need to make corrections. Complex formatting, tables, graphics, whatever, something always gets lost or garbled in the translator, and whatever you or anyone else says, I prefer to get my work done the first time, without having to repair lost formatting first, and without forcing anyone who wants to view my work on their computers (usually Windows PCs with Word 2000, XP or 2003) to repair formatting due to my choice of a non-standard word processor. Apple Mail does not have the above problem, but it still won't integrate my email, calendar and to-do lists, sync with my Palm and even integrate with Word, Excel and PowerPoint by grouping related documents and emails together as Entourage does. In short, I don't use Office 2004 because I like MS or want to give Bill my money, I use it because it is by far the best office suite available for the Mac, and it saves me time, time that I can spend with my family instead of time reformatting documents. It also makes a rather bad impression on others when they are forced to do extra work because my documents open as garbled gibberish, doing so it just plain rude. Andrew On 12/26/04 2:59 AM, Geoffrey Loeffler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Next version no way. This Guy has over 30 Billion and growing. The paltry act of Office for the Mac is not going to give Bill a second of worry about money. However losing out on style, functionality and development of programs, that takes away from the glow of his empire, will give him a second thought, eliminate it. Remeber the Steve and Bill show has not been one of love and respect. You do not understand men of power, they have money and all that comes with it, all that you could possibly dream of times a billion and still have 30 left. What feeds them is to destroy and conquer. Their ruthless and anything that would take away from their industrial image as being the elite, they will destroy. That's what get them off. Thats the drive of men who have power. So Apple, the computer and software I prefer, should be planning for this day. There will be another type of Office for Mac, only it will not be from MS, the monopoly inquiry is over, MS won. I support companies that do things right. I will pay more and work a bit harder on less robust software to give my money to the companies that support the Mac. I would not call MS a Mac supporter. Losing I.E. was but the first shot. Adobe is getting restless. So to everyone that loves Office great, you have your choice in life. Maybe it does make your job easier and you do not have to work as hard, a seemingly American trait. I prefer the people who work harder to make the Mac survive, software and retail. Those folks bust their ass off on slim margins to make it work. They take chances in life, it makes you feel alive to do that. I can usually get hardware and software from the big retailers cheaper, especially shipping. However I am but 2% of their business. So I go to the smaller operations that just support the Mac, software and retail. There I get real people that understand what their selling and how it works, instead of just reading off a screen. I guess I have a choice too, until Bill has his dream fulfilled . So enjoy Macs at home and keep the issue that Macs are not for business alive. I apologize as I really could not understand why people would think Macs are not serious computers and not for business. This is a huge wall to sales of Macs. If you have a thousand people on Macs but there running MS office, it still says to the workers, we have Apple computers but there is no software for the Mac. One of the workers wants a computer. I use Microsoft Office at work what kind of computer should I buy. Enjoy Geoff On Dec 25, 2004, at 7:21 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There will be another version of Office for the simple reason that the Mac BU makes money which is the only thing that gets Bill off. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books
Re: Apple Mail
Apple Mail does not have the above problem, but it still won't integrate my email, calendar and to-do lists, sync with my Palm and even integrate with Word, Excel and PowerPoint by grouping related documents and emails together as Entourage does. I have the original version of Office v. Mac. Do you all think Entourage in that version might be worth switching to from Mail App or is it only the 2004 edition that seems worth it? We have an Exchange Server for our mail at work (LOTS of spam) and I'm going to inherit a Pocket PC with a wireless card. I read mail remotely on my Mac via my browser, but I'm wondering if anyone thinks Apple will ever provide the integration some folk need. Or does the MS platform have a complete hold on this kind of integration for the immediate future? Donald -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Apple Mail
Entourage in Office v.X does not group emails with documents by project, but there is a free (I think on Microsoft's Mac website, perhaps hidden on the CD) conduit for Entourage to Palm. Where the older Entourage cannot compete with Mail is in spam filtering, which is much improved in Entourage 2004. Andrew On 12/26/04 9:08 AM, Donald Keenan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apple Mail does not have the above problem, but it still won't integrate my email, calendar and to-do lists, sync with my Palm and even integrate with Word, Excel and PowerPoint by grouping related documents and emails together as Entourage does. I have the original version of Office v. Mac. Do you all think Entourage in that version might be worth switching to from Mail App or is it only the 2004 edition that seems worth it? We have an Exchange Server for our mail at work (LOTS of spam) and I'm going to inherit a Pocket PC with a wireless card. I read mail remotely on my Mac via my browser, but I'm wondering if anyone thinks Apple will ever provide the integration some folk need. Or does the MS platform have a complete hold on this kind of integration for the immediate future? Donald -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Apple Mail
Talking of Entourage, how does the the version found in Office 2001 compare to the latest version (I mean are there any security issues? Kyle said there are no security issues with entourage - does this apply to the 2001 entourage?). I'm running OS 9.2.2 in my wallstreet and 9.0.4 in my 7600/G3. --- Donald Keenan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apple Mail does not have the above problem, but it still won't integrate my email, calendar and to-do lists, sync with my Palm and even integrate with Word, Excel and PowerPoint by grouping related documents and emails together as Entourage does. __ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Apple Mail
2001 is likely an Outlook port. I know it doesn't have spam filtering as nobody really did back then. Still, almost all malware is written for Windows, so even if something does get it, chances are it won't work. Andrew On 12/26/04 9:24 AM, PETE [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Talking of Entourage, how does the the version found in Office 2001 compare to the latest version (I mean are there any security issues? Kyle said there are no security issues with entourage - does this apply to the 2001 entourage?). I'm running OS 9.2.2 in my wallstreet and 9.0.4 in my 7600/G3. --- Donald Keenan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apple Mail does not have the above problem, but it still won't integrate my email, calendar and to-do lists, sync with my Palm and even integrate with Word, Excel and PowerPoint by grouping related documents and emails together as Entourage does. __ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Apple Mail
There is a free update for Entourage in Office v.X to allow integration with an Exchange server. My company does not use pop-based email, so I was able to download the update and use this version of Entourage. I'm planning to switch to Office 2004, as soon as I get used to the new version/interface. -Hal On Dec 26, 2004, at 10:14 AM, Andrew F. wrote: Entourage in Office v.X does not group emails with documents by project, but there is a free (I think on Microsoft's Mac website, perhaps hidden on the CD) conduit for Entourage to Palm. Where the older Entourage cannot compete with Mail is in spam filtering, which is much improved in Entourage 2004. Andrew On 12/26/04 9:08 AM, Donald Keenan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apple Mail does not have the above problem, but it still won't integrate my email, calendar and to-do lists, sync with my Palm and even integrate with Word, Excel and PowerPoint by grouping related documents and emails together as Entourage does. I have the original version of Office v. Mac. Do you all think Entourage in that version might be worth switching to from Mail App or is it only the 2004 edition that seems worth it? We have an Exchange Server for our mail at work (LOTS of spam) and I'm going to inherit a Pocket PC with a wireless card. I read mail remotely on my Mac via my browser, but I'm wondering if anyone thinks Apple will ever provide the integration some folk need. Or does the MS platform have a complete hold on this kind of integration for the immediate future? Donald -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
M$ Office was, Re: Apple Mail
What I don't grasp is Apple's seeming indifference to the clear alterative: Open Office. I use OO on other platforms, and where I must use a Word-ish product; it's the clear choice. [I prefer WordPerfect, and use it more, but that is a side issue..] The major trouble with OO on OSX is it does not run under Aqua, requiring X11. That means a jolting exception in areas such as key assigments, a hassle starting it, eyc. I can't see why Apple is not providing the OO folks the resources they need to get a native OO port going now, not in a few years. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: M$ Office was, Re: Apple Mail
Perhaps because OpenOffice is not the Clear Alternative as you state it is. I tried it, and like any other Word Alternative it requires converstion to and from the .doc format, which introduces all sorts of formatting problems in both directions. Even if it was slick, polished and OS X native, Word would still be the only game in town for working with complex documents that actually are shared with the outside world. There are plenty of programs out there that are nicer than Word, faster, easier to use and even more powerful, but none of that matters when you are forced to spend 30 minutes reformatting a document after the import translator messes it up. Andrew On 12/26/04 10:01 AM, David Lesher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I don't grasp is Apple's seeming indifference to the clear alterative: Open Office. I use OO on other platforms, and where I must use a Word-ish product; it's the clear choice. [I prefer WordPerfect, and use it more, but that is a side issue..] The major trouble with OO on OSX is it does not run under Aqua, requiring X11. That means a jolting exception in areas such as key assigments, a hassle starting it, eyc. I can't see why Apple is not providing the OO folks the resources they need to get a native OO port going now, not in a few years. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: M$ Office was, Re: Apple Mail
On Dec 26, 2004, at 1:10 PM, Andrew F. wrote: Perhaps because OpenOffice is not the Clear Alternative as you state it is. and perhaps part of the reason is that it would hurt Office:Mac, which would hurt Mac users if Microsoft decided to drop it. I prefer WordPerfect, and probably always will, but I'm getting used to Word for Mac and may actually like it someday. OpenOffice, to me, has all the problems of Word and none of the advantages, except for being free. As others have said, compatibility is important, and Word does it better. That said, OOo has been known to work better with MS than MS when dealing with different versions: http://diveintomark.org/archives/2004/04/06/interoperability I hope OOo will one day be a better option, but for now, Word is the best choice for me, regardless of who makes it. TjL -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: M$ Office was, Re: Apple Mail
On Sunday, December 26, 2004, at 11:01 AM, David Lesher wrote: What I don't grasp is Apple's seeming indifference to the clear alterative: Open Office. I use OO on other platforms, and where I must use a Word-ish product; it's the clear choice. [I prefer WordPerfect, and use it more, but that is a side issue..] The major trouble with OO on OSX is it does not run under Aqua, requiring X11. That means a jolting exception in areas such as key assigments, a hassle starting it, eyc. See NeoOffice http://www.neooffice.org/ ;-) just released in beta form, it's OO 1.1.3 ported to Mac-nativeness. I recommend it. I can't see why Apple is not providing the OO folks the resources they need to get a native OO port going now, not in a few years. Because they may not wish to compete head-on with Microsoft just yet? How did that ol' Jim Croce song go? You don't tug on Superman's cape, you don't spit into the wind... :-/ An Apple-branded OO suite would be seen as a direct threat to MS Office, and give OO a lot more credibility than it does right now. If MS drops Mac Office, it would severely hurt Apple's chances (slim as they are now) in the corporate and government arena. Hell, no MS Office would kill the Mac just about everywhere, due to the myopia and abject subjugation of the IT world by MS, and both Apple and Microsoft know this. You're not going to see a dime of Apple support go to OO. Microsoft has Apple over, what is it? Yeah, a barrel... Keynote isn't a threat because no one, NO ONE buys just Powerpoint. Office is the program...MS knows they have a lock on the market, and that is a huge club to hold over Apple's head. Enough changes were introduced in Office 2003 that OS X Office 2001 wasn't completely compatible...we get sent PP files of professor's lectures to convert to PDF and put up for our students; I got several this year that didn't properly convert (fonts all wrong, in the wrong places, elements were missing, etc) so I had to go find a PC with Office 2003 on it to convert them properly. To be fair, MS did the same thing to all of their Office 2002 users on the PC too, part of their you're merely paying rent on this stuff forced upgrade treadmill. I gotta get Office 2004 just for this crap. (Oddly enough, though, it's only the PC using faculty that make us do the conversions...every one of the Mac using profs are quite conversant with making PDF files, setting them up the way they want, etc...they even listen to use and tell us what folders they're in on the servers, so we can just copy them to the web server rather than email us these giant 25 and 30 meg attached PP files. Yes Virginia, Mac users ARE more intelligent...) But MS'es over-arching strategy is to keep any and all competition confined to the FUD-o-sphere (look, for example, at their current campaign against Linux) or undercut it out of the market, like they did to Word Perfect. Microsoft has also had the good fortune of having competitors routinely shoot themselves in the foot with Mac-10's. Witness the decline and fall of Word Perfect. Sure it's still around, and I'll even bet they have a few percent of the market, but they were once head-to-head competitors with MS Word, like Illustrator versus Freehand. Then came Novell's disastrous run at unseating MS as king of the OS hill. Novell got crushed, WP got sold to Corel which has been the burial grounds for so many useful programs that their stock symbol should be DED, and we all know what's happened since. Witness what happened with Netscape. They stumbled with NS 3 and IE got a head start it never gave up, not the least of which it was free (though to be frank, I've never met anyone who actually bought Netscape...). Notice where MS is quiet...SQL server is widely seen in the industry as merely a step up from Access; it's mainly used as an embedded sql engine in other products; Oracle, Sybase, and DB2 are all effective competitors on the higher end. IIS is used in a lot of places, but influential people are tiring of the continual security hassles of IIS as a web server; pache still has a LOT of installations, and the above competitors: Oracle, Sybase and IBM all use Apache severs as their embedded Web servers. Apache accounts for greater than 50% of all web servers. MS is losing in the overall back-end server market, too, though they still have the large lead they built up crushing Novell, Linux servers are proliferating in the server closets and once Mozilla's Sunbird scheduling and calendaring project is ready for prime time, that'll be a drop in, free replacement for Exchange. That's dangerous, because a lot of people are warming to Firefox and Thunderbird browsers and mail. At some point corporate folks are finally going to notice that they're sending wads of cash to MS when they could be keeping a lot by using OSS components. Then an Apple-branded OO will fly. -- Wherever you go, there you are. - B. Banzai, Ph.D.
Re: Entourage (Was: Apple Mail)
At 8:15 AM -0800 12/26/04, Kyle Hansen wrote: There is not a single Entourage hole. It is far more secure than any other Macintosh Mail program including Apple's own. Probably because it is a Mac OS program! I've heard a bunch of new security flaws have been found in Windows XP and its associated SP2. -- Sincerely, Dennis B. Swaney Windows is a command-line OS with a GUI shell while Mac System 10 is ... oh, never mind. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Apple Mail
On 12/24/04 3:12 PM, Geoffrey Loeffler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The very people who could be helping shape the future of the Mac, at one of the best times I have seen Apple in the spotlight and be accepted as a real computer. Sit back and say this is the way it is, this is the way it stays, why change. So your influence of programs extends to your company computers and the people who use them. Yet post to Mac sites without a utterance of I called Apple and said or I wrote Apple and suggested a change. Just a lot of yelling and believing the benevolent Bill will come through with Office 07 I can't believe I wasted time trying to decipher this nonsense. If you are an adult you need to return to school and learn how to write. If you are still in school, when you return from holiday, beg for extra help. Should your ravings have any value, once you can write, we'll be glad to respond. As to your single coherent sentence: Do I believe in the benevolence of Bill? Hell no. I believe in his greed. There will be another version of Office for the simple reason that the Mac BU makes money which is the only thing that gets Bill off. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Entourage (Was: Apple Mail)
On Fri, 24 Dec 2004, Dennis B. Swaney wrote: Outlook Express was just a basic email program. Outlook itself is a Personal Information Manager (PIM) and contains email, contacts, calender, notes, plus a couple of more things. Entourage is the renamed Outlook for Macintosh. As I thought. Therefore, aren't some security issues (don't ask; I'm just parroting what I've heard/read) surrounding Outlook also to be found in Entourage? Or was that just M$ bashing? Apple Mail replaced Outlook Express for Macintosh. I personally use Eudora as my email client. I've looked at Apple Mail but I don't like the way navigation works, and Eudora doesn't require the use of html in mail the way other email programs are starting to do. Agree agree agree. Freakin' html mail. Sigh. For when you just *have* to empahsize something, and there's simply *no* plain-text way to do that. -- Non Illegitimi Carborundum -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Thunderbird (Was: Apple Mail)
On Fri, 24 Dec 2004, Dean wrote: Sorry Don't mean to change gears hear, but has anyone used Thunderbird? What do you think about it? Don't be sorry - but please *do* change the subject header next time :-) -- Non Illegitimi Carborundum -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Apple Mail
I'm really sorry if anybody gets offended by this but Office v.X was pretty good and Office 2004 is VERY GOOD. Entourage is a totally integrated application: mail, calendar, contacts and tons of options on how to use everything to the max. I might add that there is a conduit included to sync Entourage with your PDA. While I still like Apple's Mail App and iCal and Address Book (all work really well). Entourage has them all in one. Addressing the issue of MS no longer supporting Internet Explorerso what! Safari rocks! MS knows that and methinks it's the reason that they aren't moving on with IE. As for Office, nothing compares to it. Certainly not AppleWorks! And I know somebody is going to chime in about 'Open Office' or whatever it's called.it's slow and clumsy. Usually the people who start bashing a high end app suite are the ones who don't have the $$$ to buy itor can't steal it! Are we going to start bashing Photoshop next? This email response is written using Entourage 2004 on a G4 iBook. Tim On 12/24/04 2:45 AM, Mark Philip [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 24, 2004, at PM 03:11, Geoffrey Loeffler wrote: You have some juice use it. 100 computers will not get you a free ride on Steves Gulfstream, but they will listen. That's the beauty of the Mac the software meshes with the hardware and no matter if there big or small. You plop a wad of M$$ and it just puts FOD in your engine. Job security I guess Actually, Apple Mail (in Panther OS) *does* connect to Exchange Server. Maybe that may be worth investigating... -- Best, Mark. -- Exterminate all rational thought. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Apple Mail
Thus spoke Tim Collier [EMAIL PROTECTED]12/24/04 I'm really sorry if anybody gets offended by this but Office v.X was pretty good and Office 2004 is VERY GOOD. Entourage is a totally integrated application: mail, calendar, contacts and tons of options on how to use everything to the max. I might add that there is a conduit included to sync Entourage with your PDA. While I still like Apple's Mail App and iCal and Address Book (all work really well). Entourage has them all in one. Addressing the issue of MS no longer supporting Internet Explorerso what! Safari rocks! MS knows that and methinks it's the reason that they aren't moving on with IE. As for Office, nothing compares to it. Certainly not AppleWorks! And I know somebody is going to chime in about 'Open Office' or whatever it's called.it's slow and clumsy. Usually the people who start bashing a high end app suite are the ones who don't have the $$$ to buy itor can't steal it! Are we going to start bashing Photoshop next? This email response is written using Entourage 2004 on a G4 iBook. lol...relax and calm down, we are not dealing with life and death issues here. Use what you like and what works best for your needs. Health and happiness to all, including Entourage users this holiday season. This email response was wriiten with Entourage and sent with Mailsmith using my reliable and good friend G3 Pismo. sacredsystem -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Apple Mail
Yea. I'm having trouble figuring out how my choice to use entourage in going to send thousands flocking to wintel...but whatever. This email written on my good technologies enabled treo, entourage and apple mail be damned!! -Original Message- From: sacredsystem [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Fri Dec 24 07:42:34 2004 To: G-Books Subject:Re: Apple Mail Thus spoke Tim Collier [EMAIL PROTECTED]12/24/04 I'm really sorry if anybody gets offended by this but Office v.X was pretty good and Office 2004 is VERY GOOD. Entourage is a totally integrated application: mail, calendar, contacts and tons of options on how to use everything to the max. I might add that there is a conduit included to sync Entourage with your PDA. While I still like Apple's Mail App and iCal and Address Book (all work really well). Entourage has them all in one. Addressing the issue of MS no longer supporting Internet Explorerso what! Safari rocks! MS knows that and methinks it's the reason that they aren't moving on with IE. As for Office, nothing compares to it. Certainly not AppleWorks! And I know somebody is going to chime in about 'Open Office' or whatever it's called.it's slow and clumsy. Usually the people who start bashing a high end app suite are the ones who don't have the $$$ to buy itor can't steal it! Are we going to start bashing Photoshop next? This email response is written using Entourage 2004 on a G4 iBook. lol...relax and calm down, we are not dealing with life and death issues here. Use what you like and what works best for your needs. Health and happiness to all, including Entourage users this holiday season. This email response was wriiten with Entourage and sent with Mailsmith using my reliable and good friend G3 Pismo. sacredsystem -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com --- ** This email message and any files transmitted with it contain confidential information intended only for the person(s) to whom this email message is addressed. If you have received this email message in error, please notify the sender immediately by telephone or email and destroy the original message without making a copy. Thank you. ** -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Apple Mail
Your also telling 100 plus workers using Macs, Apple Mail is a failure. What does that say to your Mac users when it comes time to buy a computer and most people use them off work for, emailing and surfing. Well the tech guy at our company does not like Apple Mail says it does not do things right, Internet Explorer is not being updated, so guess we better get a Wintel. Well if you want integrated email, calendaring, to do lists, etc all in one application, then yes, Apple Mail is a failure, and Entourage is the choice to make. This is what a lot of BUSINESSES want or demand from their email product. I'm one of the tech guys at my company, and I'm also the one primarily responsible for email. Our messaging infrastructure is based on Exchange, and Apple's mail is not the client for me to use in that environment. OTOH, for my personal email at home, I use Apple Mail, even though I have Entourage installed on my PowerBook. I love Apple and their products, but in the business world it's the best tool for the best job. Apple Mail is a great basic email program, and personally I'd like it to continue to focus on that market rather than try and become an Entourage killer. If your tech guy is basing his techology platform decisions solely off of the fact that he does not like Apple Mail, and that IE isn't being updated, then he should be fired, and you should find a competent replacement. Steve -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Apple Mail
What are the major differences between Entourage and Outlook Express? I have both but has never used either. I've always used the mail application that comes with netscape for my isp mail. What am I missing? TIA. Pete. --- Tim Collier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm really sorry if anybody gets offended by this but Office v.X was pretty good and Office 2004 is VERY GOOD. Entourage is a totally integrated application: mail, calendar, contacts and tons of options on how to use everything to the max. I might add that there is a conduit included to sync Entourage with your PDA. While I still like Apple's Mail App and iCal and Address Book (all work really well). Entourage has them all in one. Addressing the issue of MS no longer supporting Internet Explorerso what! Safari rocks! MS knows that and methinks it's the reason that they aren't moving on with IE. As for Office, nothing compares to it. Certainly not AppleWorks! And I know somebody is going to chime in about 'Open Office' or whatever it's called.it's slow and clumsy. Usually the people who start bashing a high end app suite are the ones who don't have the $$$ to buy itor can't steal it! Are we going to start bashing Photoshop next? This email response is written using Entourage 2004 on a G4 iBook. Tim On 12/24/04 2:45 AM, Mark Philip [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Apple Mail
I agree, Office 2004 is by far the best office suite I've ever used, regardless of platform. Entourage has grown from an also-ran in the 2001 version to pretty nice in v.X to, as described in a review on Mac360, The Best Email Program on the Planet. I agree. Andrew On 12/24/04 4:25 AM, Tim Collier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm really sorry if anybody gets offended by this but Office v.X was pretty good and Office 2004 is VERY GOOD. Entourage is a totally integrated application: mail, calendar, contacts and tons of options on how to use everything to the max. I might add that there is a conduit included to sync Entourage with your PDA. While I still like Apple's Mail App and iCal and Address Book (all work really well). Entourage has them all in one. Addressing the issue of MS no longer supporting Internet Explorerso what! Safari rocks! MS knows that and methinks it's the reason that they aren't moving on with IE. As for Office, nothing compares to it. Certainly not AppleWorks! And I know somebody is going to chime in about 'Open Office' or whatever it's called.it's slow and clumsy. Usually the people who start bashing a high end app suite are the ones who don't have the $$$ to buy itor can't steal it! Are we going to start bashing Photoshop next? This email response is written using Entourage 2004 on a G4 iBook. Tim On 12/24/04 2:45 AM, Mark Philip [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 24, 2004, at PM 03:11, Geoffrey Loeffler wrote: You have some juice use it. 100 computers will not get you a free ride on Steves Gulfstream, but they will listen. That's the beauty of the Mac the software meshes with the hardware and no matter if there big or small. You plop a wad of M$$ and it just puts FOD in your engine. Job security I guess Actually, Apple Mail (in Panther OS) *does* connect to Exchange Server. Maybe that may be worth investigating... -- Best, Mark. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Apple Mail
On Friday, December 24, 2004, at 07:25 AM, Tim Collier wrote: I'm really sorry if anybody gets offended by this but Office v.X was pretty good and Office 2004 is VERY GOOD. I think almost everyone loved MacBU for Office v. Mac from the beginning of OS X. Back when few applications were yet ported to OS X, Office was a shining exception. And it was always fun to know that Mac users had a better version of Office than Windows users. The exception being the mail application. It's good to know 2004 is even better! Donald -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Apple Mail
At 8:16 AM -0800 12/24/04, PETE wrote: What are the major differences between Entourage and Outlook Express? I have both but has never used either. I've always used the mail application that comes with netscape for my isp mail. What am I missing? Outlook Express was just a basic email program. Outlook itself is a Personal Information Manager (PIM) and contains email, contacts, calender, notes, plus a couple of more things. Entourage is the renamed Outlook for Macintosh. Apple Mail replaced Outlook Express for Macintosh. I personally use Eudora as my email client. I've looked at Apple Mail but I don't like the way navigation works, and Eudora doesn't require the use of html in mail the way other email programs are starting to do. Lastly, I ABHOR Microsoft; I have to use their crappy products every day at work! However, IF you require accessing a Microsoft Exchange Server, then Entourage is probably the way to go. If you do not require it, then what ever email program you are comfortable with is fine. -- Sincerely, Dennis B. Swaney Windows is a command-line OS with a GUI shell while Mac System 10 is ... oh, never mind. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Apple Mail
Sorry Don't mean to change gears hear, but has anyone used Thunderbird? What do you think about it? Dean -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Apple Mail
Dude, Take a chill pill. I'm the biggest Mac fan on the planet. I even have my own website dedicated to my platform of choice. I have a G5 at home, that is completely Microsoft free. I keep all my Microsoft Applications on my G4 PowerBook, which I use to access the office when I'm offsite. Second, I don't use Exchange at the office. I set up an Email Server using Communigate Pro. It works like a champ. The reason why I think Microsoft Office 2004 kicks Ass, is that everyone at the Office loves it. When they found out they could set up a shared calendar in the Project Center, you don't know how happy that made them. It's my job to keep things running smoothly. If everyone at the office was using a different email client that wouldn't happen. How many offices do you know that are 95% Mac based. I don't know of many. Only our Finance department has PC's, plus a few stragglers. I'll leave it at that. Happy Holidays. Take Care. Aaron Willems http://www.macmanifest.com So if you are in a position of controlling over a 100 Macs, which I honestly respect, get Apple on the phone, tell them the problems, maybe they have a solution you have not thought of. Your a player, they are at least going to listen or read your typed mail asking for an answer, probably even better approach. As long as there are Tech people like you, who will not take Apple to the mat and demand the functionality you need to work in this, *Windows World* and just push aside Apple Mail or other Apple products, what are you doing ? Your just helping to cut the product share even more, when you have not even asked Apple about your problems. There might be solutions to what you need. Your also telling 100 plus workers using Macs, Apple Mail is a failure. What does that say to your Mac users when it comes time to buy a computer and most people use them off work for, emailing and surfing. Well the tech guy at our company does not like Apple Mail says it does not do things right, Internet Explorer is not being updated, so guess we better get a Wintel. When these 100 workers are asked by their friends, what computer they should buy, the workers are now the computer experts, their now the Tech guy, so from your influence against Mail it just blasts loud and clear Apple Mail is inferior, buy Wintel and it grows like a virus. You have some juice use it. 100 computers will not get you a free ride on Steves Gulfstream, but they will listen. That's the beauty of the Mac the software meshes with the hardware and no matter if there big or small. You plop a wad of M$$ and it just puts FOD in your engine. Job security I guess Geof -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Apple Mail
On Dec 24, 2004, at 4:25 AM, Tim Collier Usually the people who start bashing a high end app suite are the ones who don't have the $$$ to buy itor can't steal it! Are we going to start bashing Photoshop next? So what do you want to do, compare portfolios, usually people who steal the high end Apps are the ones saying Not Me While we are at it Adobe Acrobat 7 does leave features off the windoz version and screw them I will stay at 6. Addressing the issue of MS no longer supporting Internet Explorerso what! Safari rocks! MS knows that and methinks it's the reason that they aren't moving on with IE. Really wow did not know that one thanks So what does methinks do when Microsoft says Apple is improving Appleworks and it Rocks, so M$$ is not going to upgrade or build any Office products or scale it back for the Mac, not enough sales. I have read where the Apple Group is now not exactly the top spot at Gates University and getting the requirements needed for development, their not at the head of the class so to speak. I will bet you have seen you last full release of Office for the Mac But no worries M$$ now owns VPC and that runs great, so if you get VPC you can run straight windoz office That M$$ always thinking ahead for better products for the Mac M$$ beats the lawsuits with a little window dressing, rubbing up to Apple, working very hard to build a version of Office for Mac X. After all Bill did say MS is a good company and competition is good for us, keeps us on the cutting edge.chuckles. So now all M$$ problems have vanished. They heavily gave to the incumbent chair warmer, so what's the advantage to Bill to keep putting out good Apple products, more money, fear of loss of integrity by the biggest killer of technology in the world. Keep playing Siegfried and Roy and you just might be reading up on Windows more then you want I did not say Office Sucks. I have to keep one scummy machine with it. I said, hold Apple to the fire for better software, that you IT guys, who I respected, have the power to say hey do it this way and it will work better and maybe it will bring some change. But it is very interesting to hear the input from you IT guys. I always wondered how this list of phrases got started, the biggest road blocks I have heard to be associated with getting people to switch to Apple or getting their first computer and have it be an Apple. This is branded in there heads. Microsoft is for serious business work- I need to look professional, Macs are for artists to play on, Macs are not serious business computers, can't e-mail to Microsoft and everybody in business uses Microsoft, the different computers will not work together, everybody knows their is no software for the Mac. It's all bunk, but dragged in like the dirty coal on the miners clothes and just as deadly to have a reliance on one operating system as to breath the dust, it also seems that a few folks do not like M$$. So the individuals buy windoz, unless you can unwrap what has been wrapped so very tightly by a sources that for the majority are probably working with what the Tech guy wants. He is the guru, so it slides downhill. The very people who could be helping shape the future of the Mac, at one of the best times I have seen Apple in the spotlight and be accepted as a real computer. Sit back and say this is the way it is, this is the way it stays, why change. So your influence of programs extends to your company computers and the people who use them. Yet post to Mac sites without a utterance of I called Apple and said or I wrote Apple and suggested a change. Just a lot of yelling and believing the benevolent Bill will come through with Office 07 I think part of the problem is Microsoft = Job Security for tech. I am to tired to hope every body who knows Bill gets a free copy of the new Office. Just don't whine when it's gone and there is no replacement. Change needs a voice Geoff -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Apple Mail
On 24 Dec 2004, at 19:39, G-Books wrote: What are the major differences between Entourage and Outlook Express? I have both but has never used either. I've always used the mail application that comes with netscape for my isp mail. What am I missing? TIA. Pete. Outlook Express implements the POP3 protocol only, as far as mail is concerned - it also implements the NNTP protocol for News. Thus an Outlook Express client can be used with an Exchange server, assuming the Exchange system has got its POP3 service turned on. They generally have, but not necessarily so. Outlook (the full Outlook client on Windows boxes) is an implementation of the client end of Microsoft's MAPI protocol. Exchange server also uses this protocol (it's an application-level protocol, not a network-level protocol) so an Exchange server and an Outlook client talk MAPI to each other. This is a more feature-rich protocol than either POP3 or IMAP4. Thus when used with an Exchange server it is 'better', ie more feature-rich. It also includes POP3 functionality, and if used with just a standard mail server (eg an ISP's mail server) probably uses just that, in which case it's not really any better than any other POP3 client. Entourage can be regarded as an implementation of Outlook (not Outlook Express) on OS X. Tom Burke -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Apple Mail
At 12:12 PM -0800 12/24/04, Geoffrey Loeffler wrote: On Dec 24, 2004, at 4:25 AM, Tim Collier Usually the people who start bashing a high end app suite are the ones who don't have the $$$ to buy itor can't steal it! Are we going to start bashing Photoshop next? I have Internet Explorer and Office. I prefer Safari and AppleWorks. (I also have Photoshop etc, I don't use it much, GraphicConverter is easier to use and does most of what I want. So what do you want to do, compare portfolios, usually people who steal the high end Apps are the ones saying Not Me While we are at it Adobe Acrobat 7 does leave features off the windoz version and screw them I will stay at 6. Addressing the issue of MS no longer supporting Internet Explorerso what! Safari rocks! MS knows that and methinks it's the reason that they aren't moving on with IE. I heard something to the effect that Microsoft is abandoning IE on the Mac because, according to them, Safari is an integral part of OS X and therefore another browser is pointless, unworkable, whatever. In other words it is a feeble attempt to support their contention that IE is an integral part of Windows and that other browsers should go away. Microsoft is for serious business work- I need to look professional, Macs are for artists to play on, Macs are not serious business computers, can't e-mail to Microsoft and everybody in business uses Microsoft, the different computers will not work together, everybody knows their is no software for the Mac. It's the tell a lie long enough and it becomes the truth theory. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Apple Mail
On Dec 24, 2004, at 3:12 PM, Geoffrey Loeffler wrote: Change needs a voice Yeah, but the voice needs to know how to spell follow grammatical conventions to communicate effectively. What you have to say might get more consideration if you took the time to get past the d00d speak TjL a firm believer in the use what works best for you approach to software -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Apple Mail
Well if you like Entourage so much then go Wintel. I think Mail is a great program, it needs to grow some and will have too as Apple is starting to sail under it's own power. Plus in case you have not heard, Microsoft is not updating Internet Explorer for the Mac and if you think this is the last of M$$ products to jump the ship, think again. The boyz in Wa. are getting a little testy. Apple has a whole new generation to sell products too, iPod and iTunes has been a great intro to allow growth, to what ends that remains to be seen. All it takes is a few stumbles by the pigs and the little guy could now be a real threat. So if you are in a position of controlling over a 100 Macs, which I honestly respect, get Apple on the phone, tell them the problems, maybe they have a solution you have not thought of. Your a player, they are at least going to listen or read your typed mail asking for an answer, probably even better approach. As long as there are Tech people like you, who will not take Apple to the mat and demand the functionality you need to work in this, *Windows World* and just push aside Apple Mail or other Apple products, what are you doing ? Your just helping to cut the product share even more, when you have not even asked Apple about your problems. There might be solutions to what you need. Your also telling 100 plus workers using Macs, Apple Mail is a failure. What does that say to your Mac users when it comes time to buy a computer and most people use them off work for, emailing and surfing. Well the tech guy at our company does not like Apple Mail says it does not do things right, Internet Explorer is not being updated, so guess we better get a Wintel. When these 100 workers are asked by their friends, what computer they should buy, the workers are now the computer experts, their now the Tech guy, so from your influence against Mail it just blasts loud and clear Apple Mail is inferior, buy Wintel and it grows like a virus. You have some juice use it. 100 computers will not get you a free ride on Steves Gulfstream, but they will listen. That's the beauty of the Mac the software meshes with the hardware and no matter if there big or small. You plop a wad of M$$ and it just puts FOD in your engine. Job security I guess Geof Behind the ostensible government sits enthroned an invisible government owing no allegiance and acknowledging no responsibility to the people. To destroy this invisible government, to befoul the unholy alliance between corrupt business and corrupt politics is the first task of the statesmanship of the day. Theodore Roosevelt, April 19, 1906 On Dec 21, 2004, at 2:24 PM, Aaron Willems wrote: Plus, in case you haven't heard yet, 95% of the world uses Microsoft Office. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Apple Mail
On Dec 24, 2004, at PM 03:11, Geoffrey Loeffler wrote: You have some juice use it. 100 computers will not get you a free ride on Steves Gulfstream, but they will listen. That's the beauty of the Mac the software meshes with the hardware and no matter if there big or small. You plop a wad of M$$ and it just puts FOD in your engine. Job security I guess Actually, Apple Mail (in Panther OS) *does* connect to Exchange Server. Maybe that may be worth investigating... -- Best, Mark. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: Apple Mail with OS 10.1.5
On Wednesday, November 10, 2004, at 02:11 PM, John.E.Abraham wrote: Hi Listers Could you answer a problem I am experiencing whilst using Apple mail with version 10.1.5 which I have installed on my Wallstreet. Good question, hard to answer, easy to fix. Upgrade to 10.2 which includes a new, considerably improved version of Mail, it's faster, stabler and vastly more functional than 10.1.5. 10.2, imo, is really the minimum system that should be installed on *any* Mac running OS X; 10.0 and 10.1 are bug-ridden alphas in comparison. 10.2 is one of the all-time greatest OS releases Apple has ever put out, on par with System 4, which let you have folders, and System 7, which was like a whole new OS. 10.3 is really nice, but it's an incremental improvement over 10.2; 10.2 is orders of magnitude better than 10.1. -- Wherever you go, there you are. - B. Banzai, Ph.D. Bruce Johnson -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Apple Mail with OS 10.1.5
Hi Listers Could you answer a problem I am experiencing whilst using Apple mail with version 10.1.5 which I have installed on my Wallstreet. The WallStreet is a PDQ 233 with 512 Mb of ram and a Seagate 40 Mb internal HD. The problem I am having is when I down load mail from the LEM sites ie: G-BOOKS, under digest some times not all the content of the digest is down loaded. I only get say about have of a 20 list digest, most other times I have no problem. Thanking you in anticipation John Abraham. Tavistock. England. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Apple Mail
On Jul 30, 2004, at 7:42 AM, Kurt Appling wrote: I have same problem, I have to download mail in both osx and os9 i dont know why Make sure your mail client isn't set to download the mail and leave it on the server (if you're using POP mail) If you're using IMAP mode mail, then there's a problem and you should contact support about it. -- Bruce Johnson This is the sig who says 'Ni!' -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Apple Mail
I'm using .mac account with POP3 and have the mails removed from server after 3 days after the download. I have no problems with it. Make sure your mail program is setup to remove the mails from the server and does not leave them there indefinitely. Jan -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Apple Mail
I got the usual 'Your mail box is full email from Apple on Monday. So I cleaned out the inbox, to around 150 messages and 2 mb. Now Mail shows 187 messages and 2.3 mb. However, logging in today (Friday) 4 days later mac mail shows 553 messages in inbox and 10 mb, so still near the limit. Why is Mail so slow to sync? BTW, i bought a 1 gig account (allowing 10 mb emails) from gmail the other day, $4.43 TOTAL. Apple mail, 15mb, small mail size limit, $100 / year - c'mon Apple. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Apple Mail
Well, if that helps, Yahoo! offers a 100MB mail for FREE. Yahoo! also offers a 2GB mail for $20 a year. --- Stuart Saunders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I got the usual 'Your mail box is full email from Apple on Monday. So I cleaned out the inbox, to around 150 messages and 2 mb. Now Mail shows 187 messages and 2.3 mb. However, logging in today (Friday) 4 days later mac mail shows 553 messages in inbox and 10 mb, so still near the limit. Why is Mail so slow to sync? BTW, i bought a 1 gig account (allowing 10 mb emails) from gmail the other day, $4.43 TOTAL. Apple mail, 15mb, small mail size limit, $100 / year - c'mon Apple. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com --- __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: Moving from MS Entourage to Apple Mail...
I'm having problems with Address Book as well. . . . . . every time I reply to anyone, their name gets added to Address Book. Thanks, I knew I wasn't crazy! This is really driving me nuts. Someone please provide a solution, or I will end up in a mental ward soon ;-\ __C -- Chrys R. Cruz, Exhibit Design Engineering Liberty Science Center Jersey City NJ 07305 Greatest Inspiration: The Heroes of Ground Zero -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Moving from MS Entourage to Apple Mail...
The only way to manage it would be to periodically choose Show: Temporary or click on the categories column to display the unfiled category, select them all and delete them. It sounds like the Jaguar version of Address Book is going to be more useful and more flexible, but won't be out until September, probably. More on the thread, I tried out Entourage v.X and liked the synching features between e-mail, contacts and date book, but the app would crash at inconvenient times (like moving around list messages off the IMAP server) and duplicate lots of messages, really irritating. Also, I found it kind of slow. The rules in Mail are not as flexible and comprehensive as most of the commercial apps, but for me they're 75% of what I need. Waiting till September. On Thursday, May 16, 2002, at 02:23 AM, Chrys Cruz wrote: I'm having problems with Address Book as well. . . . . . every time I reply to anyone, their name gets added to Address Book. Thanks, I knew I wasn't crazy! This is really driving me nuts. Someone please provide a solution, or I will end up in a mental ward soon ;-\ -- John Koen cellist, The Philadelphia Orchestra [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.johnfkoen.com -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: embedded photo in e-mail [was: Re: Moving from MS Entourage to Apple Mail...]
I get your picture too. Weren't you in that movie Matrix. So you're saying you've got your picture in your local address book and you haven't set up webmail? Jim On Thursday, May 16, 2002, at 12:35 PM, Jeremy Derr wrote: On Wednesday, May 15, 2002, at 09:46 PM, Jim Freeman wrote: Are you sure about this? I've had my picture and a bunch of other pictures in my local address book since the beginning of OS X. I see those pictures when I get mail from those people, but no one has ever gotten my picture until I signed up for webmail. It seems to work for at least one person on the iMac list who got my picture this way... -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: embedded photo in e-mail [was: Re: Moving from MS Entourage to Apple Mail...]
On Thursday, May 16, 2002, at 01:32 PM, Jim Freeman wrote: I get your picture too. Weren't you in that movie Matrix. So you're saying you've got your picture in your local address book and you haven't set up webmail? I've set up WebMail, but that's all. I don't use it, haven't added my picture to it. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Moving from MS Entourage to Apple Mail...
It's not very PB G3 related other than I'm doing it on a Powerbook. Anyway, I'm using Entourage in Classic to check my email. I'm thinking about moving over to Mail. I'm tired of launching classic and Entrourage. Did anyone have any trouble with Mail and are there any features of Mail that Entourage doesn't have? I use the address book and do basic email stuff with entourage. Sort mail with folders, filter out as much spam as possible, etc. The only reason that I switched to Mail is because the IT dept at my job won't allow us to use Entourage or Outlook on their network. I'm hoping the next version of Mail will be much better. I miss the elaborate filtering that Entourage has. Pound for pound, I'd go back if I could. But of course, this is just my 2 cents. OS X's Address Book, while a seperate app, is accessible through Mail. And while it's quite nifty, I seem to be having trouble with it. . . . . everytime I reply to or send a message, the recipient's address gets entered into Address Book automatically, and I end up having to delete it all each day. Might I have set this without knowing? How do I stop/ undo it? Someone help me!! OS X is so frustratingly new to me- I feel like a fish out of water. __C -- Chrys R. Cruz, Exhibit Design Engineering Liberty Science Center Jersey City NJ 07305 Greatest Inspiration: The Heroes of Ground Zero -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Moving from MS Entourage to Apple Mail...
Chrys Cruz wrote: The only reason that I switched to Mail is because the IT dept at my job won't allow us to use Entourage or Outlook on their network. I'm hoping the next version of Mail will be much better. I miss the elaborate filtering that Entourage has. Pound for pound, I'd go back if I could. But of course, this is just my 2 cents. Have you tried Netscape's mail component Messenger? It's got rather nice filtering components (which I never use anymore because I can use procmail right on our server. Procmail rulez! But I used to use their filters all the time.) Lots of people diss Netscape Messenger for, well, for reasons I've never heard very well explained... We have a couple of hundred people here using it in various versions (and have for years) and almost all of them seem pretty happy with it. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: embedded photo in e-mail [was: Re: Moving from MS Entourage to Apple Mail...]
John: You already have two of the requirements. You have a mac.com mail account and you must be using Mail in OS X if you see my picture. Now you just need to set up Apple's new webmail service at webmail.mac.com. You need to add a photo there (64x64) and anyone using Mail for X will get the picture. There is a bit of a delay for it to take effect and make sure you check the little box that enables it. The photos are then stored on the HDs of the recipients. Look here on your computer: ~/Library/Caches/com.apple.addressservices/Photos Jim On Wednesday, May 15, 2002, at 05:05 PM, John Koen wrote: I noticed a couple of posts of Jim Freeman's where a picture appears on the right side of the message window (opposite the headers) in Apple's Mail.app. How do you do that? -- John Koen cellist, The Philadelphia Orchestra [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.johnfkoen.com -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: embedded photo in e-mail [was: Re: Moving from MS Entourage to Apple Mail...]
On Wednesday, May 15, 2002, at 06:27 PM, Jim Freeman wrote: John: You already have two of the requirements. You have a mac.com mail account and you must be using Mail in OS X if you see my picture. Now you just need to set up Apple's new webmail service at webmail.mac.com. You need to add a photo there (64x64) and anyone using Mail for X will get the picture. There is a bit of a delay for it to take effect and make sure you check the little box that enables it. The photos are then stored on the HDs of the recipients. Look here on your computer: ~/Library/Caches/com.apple.addressservices/Photos You don't have to use WebMail to do this. :) You can do this with Mail and the Address Book. Your picture should be 64x64, and you can just paste it into your own record in Address Book. Then, quit and relaunch Mail, and it should work fine. :) -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Moving from MS Entourage to Apple Mail...
Well, I imported my Entourage stuff over to Mail. So far so good. I'm trying to figure out how to make subdirectories for each mailbox I set up in Mail. I also miss the filtering of Entourage but it's not so bad I'm having problems with Address Book as well. I am experiencing problems importing my Entourage address book and every time I reply to anyone, their name gets added to Address Book. peace, --markemmanuel On Wednesday, May 15, 2002, at 04:23 PM, Chrys Cruz wrote: The only reason that I switched to Mail is because the IT dept at my job won't allow us to use Entourage or Outlook on their network. I'm hoping the next version of Mail will be much better. I miss the elaborate filtering that Entourage has. Pound for pound, I'd go back if I could. But of course, this is just my 2 cents. OS X's Address Book, while a seperate app, is accessible through Mail. And while it's quite nifty, I seem to be having trouble with it. . . . . everytime I reply to or send a message, the recipient's address gets entered into Address Book automatically, and I end up having to delete it all each day. Might I have set this without knowing? How do I stop/ undo it? Someone help me!! OS X is so frustratingly new to me- I feel like a fish out of water. __C -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: embedded photo in e-mail [was: Re: Moving from MS Entourage to Apple Mail...]
Are you sure about this? I've had my picture and a bunch of other pictures in my local address book since the beginning of OS X. I see those pictures when I get mail from those people, but no one has ever gotten my picture until I signed up for webmail. Jim On Wednesday, May 15, 2002, at 07:56 PM, Jeremy Derr wrote: You don't have to use WebMail to do this. :) You can do this with Mail and the Address Book. Your picture should be 64x64, and you can just paste it into your own record in Address Book. Then, quit and relaunch Mail, and it should work fine. :) -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Moving from MS Entourage to Apple Mail...
on 14/05/02 23:45, markemmanuel at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's not very PB G3 related other than I'm doing it on a Powerbook. Anyway, I'm using Entourage in Classic to check my email. I'm thinking about moving over to Mail. I'm tired of launching classic and Entrourage. Did anyone have any trouble with Mail and are there any features of Mail that Entourage doesn't have? I use the address book and do basic email stuff with entourage. Sort mail with folders, filter out as much spam as possible, etc. Mail is a fine app but, IMHO, it doesn't have all the bells and whistles of Entourage. If your needs are really basic, then you should be fine. The new version that will be available with OS X 10.2 is said to be much better. -Laurent. -- = Laurent Daudelinhttp://home.cox.rr.com/nemesys Logiciels Nemesys Software mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] code police n.: [by analogy with George Orwell's `thought police'] A mythical team of Gestapo-like storm troopers that might burst into one's office and arrest one for violating programming style rules. May be used either seriously, to underline a claim that a particular style violation is dangerous, or ironically, to suggest that the practice under discussion is condemned mainly by anal-retentive weenies. Dike out that goto or the code police will get you! The ironic usage is perhaps more common. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | RoadTools $30 PodiumPad available at Apple retail stores, $20 Traveler CoolPad at Staples. Both in white for iBooks at http://roadtools.com. Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
