Re: Backup/archiving app., OS 10.3.8 compatible needed. . .

[Keith Johnson]

On May 26, 2005, at 8:15 PM, Stanton Mitrany wrote:

Please suggest an OS X 10.3.8 compatible backup application that's 
free or
inexpensive shareware which I can use to copy (burn) a large (5 GB) 
folder

to multiple 700MB CD-R's in the internal combo drive in an iBook 500.

I need to reformat the Hard Drive, which currently has only one 
partition,

and is only set up with OS 10.3.8, into two partitions, so that I can
install both OS 9.2.2 and OS 10.3.8 separately. I don't wish to 
manually
break up this folder to archive it. I'm hoping your suggestion can 
help me
to reinstall it onto the iBook once I've reformatted and installed OS 
9 & OS

X.

My copy of Retrospect Express v.4.3 won't work in OS X. I'm looking for
something which, like Retrospect, can produce a series of linked CD's 
to

archive something larger than 700 MB.

I'm looking to be able to download the application you suggest, and 
get to

work. What do you suggest?


I don't have a free backup ap, but there is an ap called iPartition 
which allows you to repartition drives without erasing/reformatting 
them It was a lifesaver for me (timewise) and I've used it about 8 
times without any problems. It's not too cheap either, I think I paid 
$45 for it with the pound/dollar conversion. Yes, you can download it, 
but it doesn't work unless you pay.


http://www.coriolis-systems.com/iPartition.php


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Backup/archiving app., OS 10.3.8 compatible needed. . .

[Stanton Mitrany]

Please suggest an OS X 10.3.8 compatible backup application that's free or
inexpensive shareware which I can use to copy (burn) a large (5 GB) folder
to multiple 700MB CD-R's in the internal combo drive in an iBook 500.

I need to reformat the Hard Drive, which currently has only one partition,
and is only set up with OS 10.3.8, into two partitions, so that I can
install both OS 9.2.2 and OS 10.3.8 separately. I don't wish to manually
break up this folder to archive it. I'm hoping your suggestion can help me
to reinstall it onto the iBook once I've reformatted and installed OS 9 & OS
X.

My copy of Retrospect Express v.4.3 won't work in OS X. I'm looking for
something which, like Retrospect, can produce a series of linked CD's to
archive something larger than 700 MB.

I'm looking to be able to download the application you suggest, and get to
work. What do you suggest?

Thanks,
stanton


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Re: Backup question, and a tip

[Bruce Mitchell]

On 4/10/05 1:52 PM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> At 02:02 PM +0100 04/10/2005, walter wrote:
>> suggestions about good (and cheap) remote backup options for Macs.
>> 
>> I considered .Mac, of course. But at the moment the MB allocation
>> seems rather paltry. SpyMac offers a lot of space for email but not
>> so much for storage (I think it's again 250MB). One option is of
>> course to email oneself with one's important files as attachments.
>> But it would be cumbersome. The ideal arrangement would be a remote
>> server to which a backup application automatically uploads the
>> changed files for the day. There are several offerings out there and
>> I was wondering whether anyone had had good experiences (in
>> Mac-terms) with any of them. I suppose the ideal space would be 3-5
>> GB or thereabouts.
> 
> There are a lot of choices, software-wise; some are less expensive
> than others.  Site-wise, keep in mind there's the privacy / trust
> issue...
> 
> I'm cheap, lazy, and cheap, so... once a month, I swap CD/DVD-R discs
> with a friend.  That gets the backups off-site.  Inbetween, I ftp my
> files to his server (and he does the same to mine).
> 
> - Dan.

What a great idea. Thanks for the tip.

Bruce


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Re: Backup question, and a tip

[darm0k]

At 02:02 PM +0100 04/10/2005, walter wrote:
suggestions about good (and cheap) remote backup options for Macs.
I considered .Mac, of course. But at the moment the MB allocation 
seems rather paltry. SpyMac offers a lot of space for email but not 
so much for storage (I think it's again 250MB). One option is of 
course to email oneself with one's important files as attachments. 
But it would be cumbersome. The ideal arrangement would be a remote 
server to which a backup application automatically uploads the 
changed files for the day. There are several offerings out there and 
I was wondering whether anyone had had good experiences (in 
Mac-terms) with any of them. I suppose the ideal space would be 3-5 
GB or thereabouts.
There are a lot of choices, software-wise; some are less expensive 
than others.  Site-wise, keep in mind there's the privacy / trust 
issue...

I'm cheap, lazy, and cheap, so... once a month, I swap CD/DVD-R discs 
with a friend.  That gets the backups off-site.  Inbetween, I ftp my 
files to his server (and he does the same to mine).

- Dan.
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Re: Backup question, and a tip - external firewire

[Brian Stewart]

I am sure you have looked into this. I use an external 5" firewire 
enclosure with a 30 GB hard drive. I use CCC (Carbon Copy Cloner) that 
is one of the best pieces of freeware that I have ever seen. I backup 
my 30 GB powerbook to the external enclosure in minutes as an image. I 
keep 3 or 4 retentions of my data (about 2 weeks worth) and It has 
saved my bacon a couple times

just my 2 cents
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Re: Backup question, and a tip

[Nancy Lawrence]

I'm a big fan of SuperDuper.  I've been using it through the last few  
versions and I couldn't be happier.  Cheap, easy, highly-functional.   
It will back-up to a remote server and I think it has an option to do  
the type of incremental backup you want.  If not, you could use it in  
conjunction w/ChronoSync--there's a nice article on that here:

http://www.mac360.com/index.php/mac360/more/ 
backup_and_sync_best_mac_apps_are_now_better/

and of course, there's a wealth of user experiences/reports here:
http://www.macintouch.com/backup06.html#apr09
HTH,
Nancy
On Apr 10, 2005, at 9:02 AM, walter wrote:
Hello again,
just wondered if anyone had any suggestions about good (and cheap)  
remote backup options for Macs.

I considered .Mac, of course. But at the moment the MB allocation  
seems rather paltry. SpyMac offers a lot of space for email but not so  
much for storage (I think it's again 250MB). One option is of course  
to email oneself with one's important files as attachments. But it  
would be cumbersome. The ideal arrangement would be a remote server to  
which a backup application automatically uploads the changed files for  
the day. There are several offerings out there and I was wondering  
whether anyone had had good experiences (in Mac-terms) with any of  
them. I suppose the ideal space would be 3-5 GB or thereabouts.

And now for the tip: although I love OS X, one thing that gets me is  
that when I single-click on a file/folder name in a finder window (I  
use the 'view as columns' option), if there is not enough space in the  
right column, the left columns gets moved off to the left and the file  
name disappears under the next column. It makes getting back to that  
column a bit of a pain, especially when it happens all the time. Well,  
I've discovered that if you command-click on the file name again (or  
any area of the half-hidden column), the left column comes back into  
full view again without any need to reach for the scroll bar. Neat, I  
thought.

Walter.
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Backup question, and a tip

[walter]

Hello again,
just wondered if anyone had any suggestions about good (and cheap) 
remote backup options for Macs.

I considered .Mac, of course. But at the moment the MB allocation seems 
rather paltry. SpyMac offers a lot of space for email but not so much 
for storage (I think it's again 250MB). One option is of course to 
email oneself with one's important files as attachments. But it would 
be cumbersome. The ideal arrangement would be a remote server to which 
a backup application automatically uploads the changed files for the 
day. There are several offerings out there and I was wondering whether 
anyone had had good experiences (in Mac-terms) with any of them. I 
suppose the ideal space would be 3-5 GB or thereabouts.

And now for the tip: although I love OS X, one thing that gets me is 
that when I single-click on a file/folder name in a finder window (I 
use the 'view as columns' option), if there is not enough space in the 
right column, the left columns gets moved off to the left and the file 
name disappears under the next column. It makes getting back to that 
column a bit of a pain, especially when it happens all the time. Well, 
I've discovered that if you command-click on the file name again (or 
any area of the half-hidden column), the left column comes back into 
full view again without any need to reach for the scroll bar. Neat, I 
thought.

Walter.
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Re: formerly dead HD and backup software

[Timothy Luoma]

On Feb 16, 2005, at 8:56 AM, w miller wrote:
 Is Apple's Backup suitable for scheduling external backups?

I don't know if Backup will work w/o a .Mac account.  I had started to 
make my own .Mac and then thought I read somewhere that it would only 
backup 2gb of data, so that's no good.

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formerly dead HD and backup software

[w miller]

Thanks to those who advised me on the hard drive in my Lombard I 
thought was dead. The data retrieval guy told me he could detect the 
drive and sent it back. I put it in a different Lombard and there it 
was!
I've now bought a 120GB external drive for nightly backups and would 
like advice on the best backup software. Is Apple's Backup suitable for 
scheduling external backups? One of the things this disaster did was 
force me to start working in Panther, so now I have files in OS X and 
OS 9.2.2. I'm using my Pismo now.

Willi
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Re: Can you do the same with usb2? [WAS: Use External FW drive as backup boot drive for Powerbook?]

[Kris Tilford]

I was wondering if you can boot off of an external USB2 hard drive.  - 
Rudi
My understanding is that since USB isn't shown in the device tree it 
can't be booted in a normal way. You can select it in Startup Disk but 
it won't boot. I believe some type of hack could be written to allow 
USB booting, but none are available AFAIK.

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Re: Backup before reformat / reinstall ???

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From: Laurent Daudelin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

The user folder is a good start. Now, did you create any special network
locations? If so, those aren't saved in the user folder.
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Re: Backup before reformat / reinstall ???

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on 03/02/05 05:28, Larry le Mac at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> What do I need to backup ?
> 
> The user folder ? Is that the only place that holds
> any hidden stuff ?
> 
> Obviously I save all other data folders and I have
> all the apps on Cd...
> 

The user folder is a good start. Now, did you create any special network
locations? If so, those aren't saved in the user folder.

The best way to do that is to clone your current startup disk onto another
disk, external or even an iPod if it's hard disk is large enough.

Then, format, reinstall. When everything is working fine, then you can
restore the bits and pieces you need from the cloned installation.

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Backup before reformat / reinstall ???

[Larry le Mac]

What do I need to backup ?
The user folder ? Is that the only place that holds
any hidden stuff ?
Obviously I save all other data folders and I have
all the apps on Cd...
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Re: Backup

[Pauline Turtle-Bear Guillermo]

On Jan 31, 2005, at 10:11 AM, Claire Hart wrote:
Has anyone tried Backup?  It's offered on .Mac.  I wonder if anyone is 
able yet to compare it to Carbon Copy Cloner.

Claire
Hi:
I use Apple's Backup to backup the files I cannot live without onto my 
iDisk (Now UpToDate and iCal calendars, Now Contact and Apple address 
books, email archives (FileMaker Pro databases), Quicken files, 
TimeEqualsMoney files, as well as some other stuff. I also backup by 
cloning my drive once a month with CCC, alternating between two 
different external hard drives. And I backup my "can't live without" 
files to our home server using file sharing fairly frequently.

I've never used Backup to copy my whole drive, since CCC has done and 
continues to do a great job of it.

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Re: Backup

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>> I don't remember installing Déjà Vu, but when I have an internal CD-
>> Burner installed it's visible in System Preferences. It's possible to
>> choose Toast as the target.
>> Did this app come with OS X or some other package? Anyone know?
>>
>Have Toast? It is installed as part of Toast 6.

Ah.


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Re: Backup

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On 2/1/05 4:18 PM, "Mikael Byström" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
> 
>> 2) Deja Vu is fantastic if you regularly connect to an external drive or, in
>> the case of a desktop if you have more than one drive internal or external.
>> It backups up user specified folders on a schedule you set. My directory is
>> backed up daily at work while I am at lunch to a firefire external.
> 
> I don't remember installing Déjà Vu, but when I have an internal CD-
> Burner installed it's visible in System Preferences. It's possible to
> choose Toast as the target.
> Did this app come with OS X or some other package? Anyone know?
> 
Have Toast? It is installed as part of Toast 6.

david




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Re: Can you do the same with usb2? [WAS: Use External FW drive as backup boot drive for Powerbook?]

[Clark Martin]

At 4:08 PM -0600 2/1/05, Hector I. Macedo wrote:
In my experience with a USB2  external I haven't been able to do it, 
when you go to start-up control panel, the usb drive is not an 
option ,  with firewire it is recognized
Same here.  I have several Firewire & USB 2.0, 2.5" drives.  With an 
iMac they boot fine in OS 9.2.2 or OS X using FireWire.  Using USB I 
can boot under 9.2.2 but not X.  It's only using USB 1.1 of course, 
these iMacs are 1.1 only.  Why this is I haven't a clue.

On Feb 1, 2005, at 3:39 PM, Laurent Daudelin wrote:
on 01/02/05 16:20, Rudi Reitberg at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I was wondering if you can boot off of an external USB2 hard drive.  - Rudi
I can't see why you couldn't...

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Re: Backup

[Mikael Byström]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

>2) Deja Vu is fantastic if you regularly connect to an external drive or, in
>the case of a desktop if you have more than one drive internal or external.
>It backups up user specified folders on a schedule you set. My directory is
>backed up daily at work while I am at lunch to a firefire external.

I don't remember installing Déjà Vu, but when I have an internal CD-
Burner installed it's visible in System Preferences. It's possible to
choose Toast as the target.
Did this app come with OS X or some other package? Anyone know?


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Re: Can you do the same with usb2? [WAS: Use External FW drive as backup boot drive for Powerbook?]

[Hector I . Macedo]

In my experience with a USB2  external I haven't been able to do it, 
when you go to start-up control panel, the usb drive is not an option , 
 with firewire it is recognized

On Feb 1, 2005, at 3:39 PM, Laurent Daudelin wrote:
on 01/02/05 16:20, Rudi Reitberg at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I was wondering if you can boot off of an external USB2 hard drive.  
- Rudi


I can't see why you couldn't...
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Re: Can you do the same with usb2? [WAS: Use External FW drive as backup boot drive for Powerbook?]

[Laurent Daudelin]

on 01/02/05 16:20, Rudi Reitberg at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I was wondering if you can boot off of an external USB2 hard drive.  - Rudi
> 
> 

I can't see why you couldn't...

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Can you do the same with usb2? [WAS: Use External FW drive as backup boot drive for Powerbook?]

[Rudi Reitberg]

I was wondering if you can boot off of an external USB2 hard drive.  - Rudi

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Re: Backup

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On 1/31/05 10:01 PM, "Ben Dyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> For me, Backup is very nearly useless. It offers limited options,
> doesn't have much flexibility in terms of scheduling, and can't make
> complete backups of your drive like CCC can. The only advantage is that
> it's free with any .mac subscription.

If you want to back up your data - and all your data is in your directory -
it is a barely okay backup solution. Its selling point is being able to
backup to your .Mac account. I¹ve never been able to get a successful backup
to .Mac twice in a row. For backing up to CD, DVD, or other drive it is lame
compared to other inexpensive solutions.

I can recommend two good solutions and these are just the two that I use
personally. There are lots more options.

1) SuperDuper! Does what CCC does much more elegantly and offers other
options as well. I use this application about once a month to back up my
system and applications folder -> but not data

2) Deja Vu is fantastic if you regularly connect to an external drive or, in
the case of a desktop if you have more than one drive internal or external.
It backups up user specified folders on a schedule you set. My directory is
backed up daily at work while I am at lunch to a firefire external.

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Re: Backup

[Ben Dyer]

For me, Backup is very nearly useless. It offers limited options, 
doesn't have much flexibility in terms of scheduling, and can't make 
complete backups of your drive like CCC can. The only advantage is that 
it's free with any .mac subscription.

Cheers,
Ben
On 1 Feb 2005, at 04:11, Claire Hart wrote:
Has anyone tried Backup?  It's offered on .Mac.  I wonder if anyone is 
able yet to compare it to Carbon Copy Cloner.

Claire

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Re: Use External FW drive as backup boot drive for Powerbook?

[Zoltan Batiz]

On Jan 31, 2005, at 4:57 AM, Tim Hodgson wrote:
On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 9:38 am -0800, Zoltan Batiz wrote:
after you press power on your Pismo (make sure the external drive is
plugged in and powered up), hold down the shift key until you see a
blue screen where you will be able to select a drive to boot from.
Shouldn't that be 'option key'?
TimH

Correct, option key.  Sorry, shift key is for other diagnostic 
purposes.  Thanks.

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Backup

[Claire Hart]

Has anyone tried Backup?  It's offered on .Mac.  I wonder if anyone is 
able yet to compare it to Carbon Copy Cloner.

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Re: Use External FW drive as backup boot drive for Powerbook?

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On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 9:38 am -0800, Zoltan Batiz wrote:

>after you press power on your Pismo (make sure the external drive is 
>plugged in and powered up), hold down the shift key until you see a 
>blue screen where you will be able to select a drive to boot from.

Shouldn't that be 'option key'?

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Re: Use External FW drive as backup boot drive for Powerbook?

[Zoltan Batiz]

On Jan 30, 2005, at 9:08 PM, Timothy Luoma wrote:
I have a Powerbook (my only Mac) and I have a 60gb external FW drive.
I would like to use that external drive as a backup boot drive in case 
my main drive dies on me some day (i.e. so I could hook up the 
external drive and boot off of that and copy files off the Powerbook 
onto the external FW drive before shipping it off to Applecare).

Can I do this?  How would I tell the Powerbook to boot off of the 
external drive?

If so, What's the best way to install OS X onto the FW drive? [note: 
all I am looking for is a very minimal installation so I can just boot 
it and hook up the Powerbook]

TjL

Simply plug in the drive, format it, and pop in your OS X install CD, 
select the drive for install, and install OS X.  It's a no brainer.  
Once OS X is installed, you can select the startup disk in System 
Preferences.  If, for example, something is corrupted on your internal 
drive in your Pismo and you need to boot from the Firewire drive, then 
after you press power on your Pismo (make sure the external drive is 
plugged in and powered up), hold down the shift key until you see a 
blue screen where you will be able to select a drive to boot from.  I 
too use a 75 gig external Firewire drive for backup.  Works great. . 
.hope this helps,

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Re: Use External FW drive as backup boot drive for Powerbook?

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on 31/01/05 00:08, Timothy Luoma at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> 
> I have a Powerbook (my only Mac) and I have a 60gb external FW drive.
> 
> I would like to use that external drive as a backup boot drive in case
> my main drive dies on me some day (i.e. so I could hook up the external
> drive and boot off of that and copy files off the Powerbook onto the
> external FW drive before shipping it off to Applecare).
> 
> Can I do this?  How would I tell the Powerbook to boot off of the
> external drive?
> 
> If so, What's the best way to install OS X onto the FW drive? [note:
> all I am looking for is a very minimal installation so I can just boot
> it and hook up the Powerbook]
> 
> TjL
> 

Use Carbon Copy Cloner to clone your startup drive. Then, use the Startup
Disk preference pane to change the startup disk. This is all assuming you're
running some version of Mac OS X...

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Use External FW drive as backup boot drive for Powerbook?

[Timothy Luoma]

I have a Powerbook (my only Mac) and I have a 60gb external FW drive.
I would like to use that external drive as a backup boot drive in case 
my main drive dies on me some day (i.e. so I could hook up the external 
drive and boot off of that and copy files off the Powerbook onto the 
external FW drive before shipping it off to Applecare).

Can I do this?  How would I tell the Powerbook to boot off of the 
external drive?

If so, What's the best way to install OS X onto the FW drive? [note: 
all I am looking for is a very minimal installation so I can just boot 
it and hook up the Powerbook]

TjL
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Re: Backup computer (was: Re: Applecare, how long should it take?

[Peter Webster]

I saw a G3 all-in-one advertised-with a 30 day warranty-for $80 plus
shipping. I like to browse pawn shops. There are cheap functional Macs out
there. I know because I've bought a bunch of them through the years.


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>On 25/01/05 12:25, "Amber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> On 1/25/05 7:02 AM, "Dennis B. Swaney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> At 1:42 AM -0800 1/25/05, Amber wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I do agree with Kyle on this - one should have a backup computer but  I
>>>> understand that for some, that is not always a possibility.
>>>

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Re: Backup computer (was: Re: Applecare, how long should it take?

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On 1/25/05 9:25 AM, "Amber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Spew into the Cybertrough:

> On 1/25/05 7:02 AM, "Dennis B. Swaney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> At 1:42 AM -0800 1/25/05, Amber wrote:
>>> 
>>> I do agree with Kyle on this - one should have a backup computer but  I
>>> understand that for some, that is not always a possibility.
>> 
>> I have a G4 iMac. My first backup computer is my G3 iMac; to back
>> that up, I have my SuperMac C500/G3. If I need a backup to that, I
>> have my Mac LC. To back up that there is an Apple IIGS CPU &
>> keyboard. Finally, there is my Apple IIc.
>> 
>> For my Powerbook backup, I have my Powerbook 145b.
> 
> Great...sounds like you're all set.  I was just saying that not everybody
> has money or space for a back up unit.  Take a student living in a dorm room
> with 2 or 3 other students.
> 
> I'm hoping to get a decent Pismo or something similar myself to have
> available should I need it if my Al PB goes in for repairs.

FWIW I bought Applecare on my 17" and I am an Apple Certified Portable Tech.
The parts are prohibitively expensive and Applecare is well worth it if even
1 part goes in those 3 years.

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Re: Backup computer (was: Re: Applecare, how long should it take?

[Andrew]

That person can get a 3400c for under $100, which will
process words, get email and browse the web just fine
until the 17" is repaired.

Andrew


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> On 25/01/05 12:25, "Amber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> 
> > On 1/25/05 7:02 AM, "Dennis B. Swaney"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> >> At 1:42 AM -0800 1/25/05, Amber wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> I do agree with Kyle on this - one should have a
> backup computer but  I
> >>> understand that for some, that is not always a
> possibility.
> >> 
> >> I have a G4 iMac. My first backup computer is my
> G3 iMac; to back
> >> that up, I have my SuperMac C500/G3. If I need a
> backup to that, I
> >> have my Mac LC. To back up that there is an Apple
> IIGS CPU &
> >> keyboard. Finally, there is my Apple IIc.
> >> 
> >> For my Powerbook backup, I have my Powerbook
> 145b.
> > 
> > Great...sounds like you're all set.  I was just
> saying that not everybody
> > has money or space for a back up unit.  Take a
> student living in a dorm room
> > with 2 or 3 other students.
> > 
> > I'm hoping to get a decent Pismo or something
> similar myself to have
> > available should I need it if my Al PB goes in for
> repairs.
> > 
> 
> I agree. After buying a computer for several
> thousands dollars, I can't
> imagine somebody will turn around and get a "backup"
> computer, even if it is
> a used one, just in case. I replaced my Pismo with
> my current 17" and I
> still have the Pismo, so I could use it in case I
> have to have my 17"
> serviced, but I can understand that someone who
> spends $3500 for a new
> machine might be a little strapped for cash...
> 
> -Laurent.
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Re: Backup computer (was: Re: Applecare, how long should it take?

[Andrew]

There is always room for an old laptop to be stashed
in a corner somewhere, and for a backup, thats all
thats needed.

Pismo is a great choice for a backup machine.

Andrew
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> On 1/25/05 7:02 AM, "Dennis B. Swaney"
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> > At 1:42 AM -0800 1/25/05, Amber wrote:
> >> 
> >> I do agree with Kyle on this - one should have a
> backup computer but  I
> >> understand that for some, that is not always a
> possibility.
> > 
> > I have a G4 iMac. My first backup computer is my
> G3 iMac; to back
> > that up, I have my SuperMac C500/G3. If I need a
> backup to that, I
> > have my Mac LC. To back up that there is an Apple
> IIGS CPU &
> > keyboard. Finally, there is my Apple IIc.
> > 
> > For my Powerbook backup, I have my Powerbook 145b.
> 
> Great...sounds like you're all set.  I was just
> saying that not everybody
> has money or space for a back up unit.  Take a
> student living in a dorm room
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Re: Backup computer (was: Re: Applecare, how long should it take?

[Laurent Daudelin]

On 25/01/05 12:25, "Amber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On 1/25/05 7:02 AM, "Dennis B. Swaney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> At 1:42 AM -0800 1/25/05, Amber wrote:
>>> 
>>> I do agree with Kyle on this - one should have a backup computer but  I
>>> understand that for some, that is not always a possibility.
>> 
>> I have a G4 iMac. My first backup computer is my G3 iMac; to back
>> that up, I have my SuperMac C500/G3. If I need a backup to that, I
>> have my Mac LC. To back up that there is an Apple IIGS CPU &
>> keyboard. Finally, there is my Apple IIc.
>> 
>> For my Powerbook backup, I have my Powerbook 145b.
> 
> Great...sounds like you're all set.  I was just saying that not everybody
> has money or space for a back up unit.  Take a student living in a dorm room
> with 2 or 3 other students.
> 
> I'm hoping to get a decent Pismo or something similar myself to have
> available should I need it if my Al PB goes in for repairs.
> 

I agree. After buying a computer for several thousands dollars, I can't
imagine somebody will turn around and get a "backup" computer, even if it is
a used one, just in case. I replaced my Pismo with my current 17" and I
still have the Pismo, so I could use it in case I have to have my 17"
serviced, but I can understand that someone who spends $3500 for a new
machine might be a little strapped for cash...

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Re: Backup computer (was: Re: Applecare, how long should it take?

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On 1/25/05 7:02 AM, "Dennis B. Swaney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> At 1:42 AM -0800 1/25/05, Amber wrote:
>> 
>> I do agree with Kyle on this - one should have a backup computer but  I
>> understand that for some, that is not always a possibility.
> 
> I have a G4 iMac. My first backup computer is my G3 iMac; to back
> that up, I have my SuperMac C500/G3. If I need a backup to that, I
> have my Mac LC. To back up that there is an Apple IIGS CPU &
> keyboard. Finally, there is my Apple IIc.
> 
> For my Powerbook backup, I have my Powerbook 145b.

Great...sounds like you're all set.  I was just saying that not everybody
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Re: Backup computer

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On Jan 25, 2005, at 10:02 AM, Dennis B. Swaney wrote:
I have a G4 iMac. My first backup computer is my G3 iMac; to back that 
up, I have my SuperMac C500/G3. If I need a backup to that, I have my 
Mac LC. To back up that there is an Apple IIGS CPU & keyboard. 
Finally, there is my Apple IIc.
My backup is my husband's iMac.  His backup - well, he can use his work 
PC.

(Just kidding.  I actually have been know to allow him to touch my PB. 
:-)

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At 1:42 AM -0800 1/25/05, Amber wrote:
On 1/24/05 10:11 PM, "Kyle Hansen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 One should, however, always have a backup computer.
 Kyle Hansen
I do agree with Kyle on this - one should have a backup computer but  I
understand that for some, that is not always a possibility.
I have a G4 iMac. My first backup computer is my G3 iMac; to back 
that up, I have my SuperMac C500/G3. If I need a backup to that, I 
have my Mac LC. To back up that there is an Apple IIGS CPU & 
keyboard. Finally, there is my Apple IIc.

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Re: OS-X Backup

[Andrew F.]

I tried that and had a lot of stability problems when booting from my
external drive.  What I do now is just a clean install of OSX on my external
drive with utilities for maintenance, and also maintain a copy of my home
folder, which I replace every week or any time there is a major change.

Andrew


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What is the best way to backup OS-X to my external drive.
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SuperDuper was just mentioned as a OS X Backup/Cloning tool. 

Besides Carbon Copy Cloner (which I've had a few problems with) are there any 
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PB G4 667 DVI backup battery only with PMU-card

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I seem to lack the proper manual, but isn't it odd that a place like
Wegenermedia only want to sell the backup battery for the Powerbook
G4 667 DVI only with the PMU board? Are they fused as one item physically
or it just an Apple repair/spare part thing?

Would it be feasible to get just the right batteries off the shelf and
replace those in the 667 DVI? I tried to find the battery source someone
tipped us off to some time ago, but I couldn't find it as I don't
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[crap mail]

there's also backup : part of your mac.com subscription-they might have 
a 60 day free trial still)  http://www.mac.com/1/iTour/tour_backup.html 
 .  then there is carbon copy cloner (ccc)  
http://www.bombich.com/software/ccc.html   little crude  (basically a 
complete disk image with all the invisible/special-privllidge 
system/library files)

rama.
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Re: PB G4 backup battery source?

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Thanks, unfortunately they didn't have them. I wonder if "cmos"  is the correct
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What are the best and low priced places in your knowledge?
I donno about current pricing, but we've bought 
quite a few of our replacement batteries from 
eBatts.com

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On 07/09/04 12:36, "Seth Austen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I've recently started using OSX on my pismo and am looking for software
> to do regular backups in OS 10.3.4. Before I spring for an upgrade from
> retrospect 4.3, I vaguely remember that someone on this list has
> authored a shareware program that will do this. Is this correct? If so,
> who wrote the software, how do I get it and how much does it cost?

Seth,

I guess I'm the one who posted this. I wrote File Synchronization. It's a
synchronization tool but it can also, of course, used to backup. However, it
is not a replacement for Retrospect. It won't let you backup your whole OS X
system disk, for example. It won't also let you backup personal folders from
other users on your Macintosh, unless their stuff is readable. It is
designed to be a personal tool, so that you can backup your own personal
stuff onto another Macintosh, hard disk partition or external hard disk, or
even an iDisk. It is a $12 shareware. You can use it up to 30 days from the
first use. During that time, there is no limit to any functionality as
opposed to other supposedly similar shareware synchronization tool.

You can get more information from:

<http://nemesys.dyndns.org/File_Synchronization_EN.html>.

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Re: OSX backup shareware

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I've recently started using OSX on my pismo and am looking for software 
to do regular backups in OS 10.3.4. Before I spring for an upgrade from 
retrospect 4.3, I vaguely remember that someone on this list has 
authored a shareware program that will do this. Is this correct? If so, 
who wrote the software, how do I get it and how much does it cost?

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Firewire Drive for Backup - Recommendations

[G Harris]

I'm looking for recommendations for a new firewire
drive, and for OSX-compatible backup software.

Here's my situation:

2 networked Macs - ibook G3 with OS 10.2, and
old Powermac 7100, OS 8

I'd like to buy the firewire drive for the ibook, and
do a full backup of the older mac (which I'll
eventually replace).  

Any comments on the best hardware / software?


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Re: Backup battery in PBG4

[Luis Autrique]

Yes you can swap batteries when the computer is asleep. Or at least you 
were able to do it with 10.2

On Jun 7, 2004, at 2:59 PM, Mikael Byström wrote:
Is a dead or malfunctioning backup battery the likeliest explanation 
why
my PB G4/400 loses the date when I keep the main battery out for 10 
minutes?
Another question: Can one change main battery in this model while the
machine is in sleep? Provided the backup battery is in order of course.


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Backup battery in PBG4

[Mikael Byström]

Is a dead or malfunctioning backup battery the likeliest explanation why
my PB G4/400 loses the date when I keep the main battery out for 10 minutes?
Another question: Can one change main battery in this model while the
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Re: dead Tibook == dead backup battery?

[Hector I Macedo]

Dan said:

 snip snip

It sat for several months with no power whatsoever (no AC, no battery). 
Is it
possible the PRAM backup battery has died? Is that something that would
produce the symptoms I'm seeing?

That same thing happened to my PB when I was away for 6 months and my 
wife forgot to plug it from time to time. At my return,  I left the 
batteries to recharge en then started the pb with the install cd, then 
had to reinstall the system because there was some corruption. Hope 
this will help you.



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dead Tibook == dead backup battery?

[Dan Bongert]

I have a Tibook 400 that I broke the power socket on, so the pbook wasn't
getting power (battery wasn't charging, etc). I bought a new logic board on
Ebay (it's a 500MHz board, so I got a speed boost out of the deal as well).
The logic board swap was tricky, but seems to have worked ok--the main
batteries are charging now, but the machine is otherwise dead--no response
when I try to power it on.

It sat for several months with no power whatsoever (no AC, no battery). Is it
possible the PRAM backup battery has died? Is that something that would
produce the symptoms I'm seeing?

Thanks!

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Re: PRAM/Backup battery in WallStreet - Battery Reset

[JOHN.E.ABRAHAM]

Hello Listers,

Thank you all for the additional info,

I did notice the link to the site for good battery prices and will 
also try the battery reset programme.

I have noticed that the battery is not being seen by the PB.  It 
reports that the LH media bay is empty and there are no leads alight 
on the side of the battery.This I suspect is because I did not 
use it over the Christmas / New Year period and beyond.The 
battery must be flat and thus the Pram also, as without any power in 
the main battery the Pram discharged as well.

As for Jim's problem I am not sure if it relates to the PRAM as the 
sign normally is that the date has reset to the year 1904.Showing 
that the PRAM has run out of charge if the PB is keeping time but 
loosing or gaining seconds this may be another  fault.


My Wallstreet Date & Time function consistently seems to lose about
15-30 seconds as evidenced by the adjustment that occurs almost every
time when I tell the control panel to manually "set time now".  It
seems oblivious to the interval between those checks.  Also, it may
actually be more serious since the CPanel is supposed to auto-check
for differences often anyway and I am merely noting what changes the
auto function has not fixed.
Is this kind of thing clearly indicative of bad PRAM battery?  I have
not noted other problems other than the usual aggravating random
crashes that dog me from time to time.
Thanks, Jim

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Subject: Re: PRAM/Backup  battery in WallStreet - Battery Reset
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 14:42:40 +
From: Mike Turner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
On 3/2/04 2:02 am, Paul Nelson said:

At 11:28 PM + 2/2/04, JOHN.E.ABRAHAM wrote:
Does this mean that before i go about trying to replace the PRAM
battery I first need to try and recharge it.
For sure, that's the first thing to do if you haven't had it on
external power for an extended period lately.
As we are talking WallStreets here, don't forget the Apple Battery Reset
application (sorry, don't have the link handy).
This application has revived my WallStreet battery several times, when I
might otherwise have assumed the battery was dead (no longer holding any
charge).
I know that a few times I have run out of battery power completely and
probably the PRAM/backup battery has run out as well. The main battery
refuses to recharge until it is reset by Battery Reset. Maybe a sign of a
faulty power manager board (also quite common, it seems).
Worth a shot...

Mike
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MAC PBK PRAM/Backup battery in WallStreet

[James G \"Jim\" Hardwick]

20040203
On 3/2/04 2:02 am, Paul Nelson said:

At 11:28 PM + 2/2/04, JOHN.E.ABRAHAM wrote:
Does this mean that before i go about trying to replace the PRAM
battery I first need to try and recharge it.
For sure, that's the first thing to do if you haven't had it on
external power for an extended period lately.
As we are talking WallStreets here, don't forget the Apple Battery Reset


My Wallstreet Date & Time function consistently seems to lose about 
15-30 seconds as evidenced by the adjustment that occurs almost every 
time when I tell the control panel to manually "set time now".  It 
seems oblivious to the interval between those checks.  Also, it may 
actually be more serious since the CPanel is supposed to auto-check 
for differences often anyway and I am merely noting what changes the 
auto function has not fixed.

Is this kind of thing clearly indicative of bad PRAM battery?  I have 
not noted other problems other than the usual aggravating random 
crashes that dog me from time to time.

Thanks, Jim
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Re: PRAM/Backup battery in WallStreet - Battery Reset

[Mike Turner]

On 3/2/04 2:02 am, Paul Nelson said:

>At 11:28 PM + 2/2/04, JOHN.E.ABRAHAM wrote:
>>Does this mean that before i go about trying to replace the PRAM
>>battery I first need to try and recharge it.
>
>   For sure, that's the first thing to do if you haven't had it on
>external power for an extended period lately.

As we are talking WallStreets here, don't forget the Apple Battery Reset 
application (sorry, don't have the link handy). 

This application has revived my WallStreet battery several times, when I 
might otherwise have assumed the battery was dead (no longer holding any 
charge). 

I know that a few times I have run out of battery power completely and 
probably the PRAM/backup battery has run out as well. The main battery 
refuses to recharge until it is reset by Battery Reset. Maybe a sign of a 
faulty power manager board (also quite common, it seems).

Worth a shot...

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Re: Backup/recovery using PCMCIA Firewire adapter?

[Clyde Kahrl]

I booted up from an external firewire on a Lombard using a "mercury" 
cardbus card.
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Re: Backup/recovery using PCMCIA Firewire adapter?

[Jeff Hubatka]

On Dec 22, 2003, at 10:24 AM, G-Books wrote:
From: Gavin Tiplady <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Backup/recovery using PCMCIA Firewire adapter?
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 15:24:49 +1100
I have a much loved and constantly used Wallstreet (256MB, 10Gb running
10.2.6) which runs my Tomcat, Apache and Mail servers 24 x 7.
[snip]

The reason of course is that to do the recovery using CCC you must boot
using another volume.
I was wondering if anyone knew whether external drives attached via the
PCMCIA slot using a firewire adapter could
EITHER:

1)  Boot the machine (have a feeling they cannot?)
Wallstreets can't boot from a FW adapter, they need the extension to 
load to recognize the FireWire.
OR:

2)  Allow it to operate in firewire target disk mode
Same thing - they can't be the 'serving' drive in target mode. They can 
receive, meaning you could boot your Pismo in FWTM and see it on the 
Wallstreet.

So am I stuck with my existing "open heart surgery" method of recovery,
or does someone know a better way?
In OSX I think you are, or as someone else mentioned you could use a 
SCSI backup disk. In OS9 you could boot off of a CD and recover by 
Firewire.
Maybe try CCCloner and/or Toast to make a bootable OSX CD with CCC so 
you could still use the FW card to get to your backup?

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Re: Backup/recovery using PCMCIA Firewire adapter?

[peter webster]

I do, too. Works fine, relatively inexpensive, and fairly simple 
technology (simple compared to a lot of current "solutions."


Gavin Tiplady wrote:
 I have a much loved and constantly used Wallstreet (256MB, 10Gb 
running 10.2.6) which runs my Tomcat, Apache and Mail servers 24 x 
7.
 I'd like to be able to back it up to, and recover from, an 
external disk using the excellent Carbon Copy Cloner 
(www.bombich.com), as I currently do on my Pismo (which has 
firewire to make it easy of course).
 Gavin;
  I use a SCSI external to b/u my Wallstreet, which works just fine for me.
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Re: Backup/recovery using PCMCIA Firewire adapter?

[chueewowee]

I can't on OS 10.15

22/12/03 3:24 pm +1100 Gavin Tiplady  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I was wondering if anyone knew whether external drives attached via the
PCMCIA slot using a firewire adapter could
EITHER:

1)  Boot the machine (have a feeling they cannot?)


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Re: Backup/recovery using PCMCIA Firewire adapter?

[Bill Buckhaults]

Gavin Tiplady wrote:
I have a much loved and constantly used Wallstreet (256MB, 10Gb running 
10.2.6) which runs my Tomcat, Apache and Mail servers 24 x 7.

I'd like to be able to back it up to, and recover from, an external disk 
using the excellent Carbon Copy Cloner (www.bombich.com), as I currently 
do on my Pismo (which has firewire to make it easy of course).

Gavin;
  I use a SCSI external to b/u my Wallstreet, which works just fine for 
me.
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Backup/recovery using PCMCIA Firewire adapter?

[Gavin Tiplady]

I have a much loved and constantly used Wallstreet (256MB, 10Gb running 
10.2.6) which runs my Tomcat, Apache and Mail servers 24 x 7.

I'd like to be able to back it up to, and recover from, an external 
disk using the excellent Carbon Copy Cloner (www.bombich.com), as I 
currently do on my Pismo (which has firewire to make it easy of 
course).

I could backup by connecting a USB disk as I have a USB adapter, but 
you cannot boot from a USB disk to do the recovery (or can you?).

Currently what I do is create and share a drive image on the Pismo, 
then open it from the Wallstreet using my home LAN connection so that 
it appears as a mounted volume on my WallStreet desktop, then run CCC 
to backup.  It's slow but it works.  If I ever had to recover, however, 
it would involve taking my WallStreet's disk out, loading it in a 
firewire enclosure and writing to it from that backup image using the 
Pismo.  Not impossible but not much fun.

The reason of course is that to do the recovery using CCC you must boot 
using another volume.

I was wondering if anyone knew whether external drives attached via the 
PCMCIA slot using a firewire adapter could

EITHER:

1)  Boot the machine (have a feeling they cannot?)

OR:

2)  Allow it to operate in firewire target disk mode

(Rationale: If it could boot then the recovery strategy would be to 
simply boot using the backup volume and use CCC to clone back to the 
internal disk.  If it could operate in firewire target mode then I 
might be able to recover to the internal disk by attaching the 
WallStreet in firewire disk mode to the Pismo, and write to its 
internal disk that way)

So am I stuck with my existing "open heart surgery" method of recovery, 
or does someone know a better way?

Thanks in advance,
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Re: Backup options?

[Bob]

Once you decide on the hardware, I would recommend Retrospect
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Re: Backup options?

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On 10/11/03 17:24, "Bruce Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Laurent Daudelin wrote:
> 
>> On 10/11/03 16:47, "Owen Heatwole" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> I need to backup a G3 Pismo PowerBook (5 GB on hard drive, USB) and a G4
>>> desktop (11 GB on hard drive, USB and Firewire). They are networked, so can
>>> back up individually or from either. Looking for inexpensive and efficient
>>> options, considering the external hard drive option; a LaCie Pocketdrive 40
>>> GB at $219, or 60 GB at $329. Is this a good option, or other
>>> recommendations, please?
>> 
>> 
>> I guess that when you buy those kind of drives as a whole, they are good
>> options. However, your cost would be a lot less if you were shopping to find
>> the best deal on a bare 2.5 inch 40GB drive (for laptop), which you could
>> probably find in the neighborhood of $125 and then buy a Firewire enclosure
>> for around $40. Depends if you want to go through the trouble of finding the
>> best deal and then putting the drive in the enclosure.
> 
> Why mess with a 2.5" drive??? A 3.5" FW drive enclosure doesn't cost
> more and $125 will buy you a LOT more desktop drive than laptop drive.
> 
> If you're not lugging it about (and that's unlikely since this sounds
> like your 'home base' backup solution), get a desktop-sized unit.
> 
> $329 would probably get you a 200 mb or so drive + enclosure.

Good point, Bruce!

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Re: Backup options?

[Bruce Johnson]

Laurent Daudelin wrote:

On 10/11/03 16:47, "Owen Heatwole" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I need to backup a G3 Pismo PowerBook (5 GB on hard drive, USB) and a G4
desktop (11 GB on hard drive, USB and Firewire). They are networked, so can
back up individually or from either. Looking for inexpensive and efficient
options, considering the external hard drive option; a LaCie Pocketdrive 40
GB at $219, or 60 GB at $329. Is this a good option, or other
recommendations, please?


I guess that when you buy those kind of drives as a whole, they are good
options. However, your cost would be a lot less if you were shopping to find
the best deal on a bare 2.5 inch 40GB drive (for laptop), which you could
probably find in the neighborhood of $125 and then buy a Firewire enclosure
for around $40. Depends if you want to go through the trouble of finding the
best deal and then putting the drive in the enclosure.
Why mess with a 2.5" drive??? A 3.5" FW drive enclosure doesn't cost 
more and $125 will buy you a LOT more desktop drive than laptop drive.

If you're not lugging it about (and that's unlikely since this sounds 
like your 'home base' backup solution), get a desktop-sized unit.

$329 would probably get you a 200 mb or so drive + enclosure.

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Re: Backup options?

[Laurent Daudelin]

On 10/11/03 16:47, "Owen Heatwole" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I need to backup a G3 Pismo PowerBook (5 GB on hard drive, USB) and a G4
> desktop (11 GB on hard drive, USB and Firewire). They are networked, so can
> back up individually or from either. Looking for inexpensive and efficient
> options, considering the external hard drive option; a LaCie Pocketdrive 40
> GB at $219, or 60 GB at $329. Is this a good option, or other
> recommendations, please?

I guess that when you buy those kind of drives as a whole, they are good
options. However, your cost would be a lot less if you were shopping to find
the best deal on a bare 2.5 inch 40GB drive (for laptop), which you could
probably find in the neighborhood of $125 and then buy a Firewire enclosure
for around $40. Depends if you want to go through the trouble of finding the
best deal and then putting the drive in the enclosure.

Just my $0.02...

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Backup options?

[Owen Heatwole]

I need to backup a G3 Pismo PowerBook (5 GB on hard drive, USB) and a G4
desktop (11 GB on hard drive, USB and Firewire). They are networked, so can
back up individually or from either. Looking for inexpensive and efficient
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GB at $219, or 60 GB at $329. Is this a good option, or other
recommendations, please?

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Best disk utilities...repair & backup

[Brian C. Peters]

Just this last weekend I was working with one of my sound apps in 9.2.2 on
my PB667 hotplate and managed to completely disrupt the HD file system. The
result was a non booting HD in OSX or OS9. I initially used the Tech Tool
disc that Apple gives away with Applecare but it would freeze in the process
of validating the file structure. I then used Disk Warrior and this utility
(previously installed) brought back the PB to its original condition. Life
is good. The disk was so damaged that I was not allowed to preview the
imager before restoring.

The question is...Is this the best utility currently on the market? And...
Why can't Apple themselves be better about HD disk utilities for their
products? I doubt Disk First Aid would have touched this problem.

After this near miss I will be replacing the original HD with probably a 60
GByte IBM and creating separate partitions, something long over due. My work
requires moving massive audio files around on different computer systems and
I believe Retrospect 5.0 works the best for my workgroup. I get a kick out
of the extreme ease of the clients working cross-platform on the windows
machines of the network. Any thoughts or conformation about backup utilities
would be welcome also.



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Re: HD/System folder backup

[Scott Cave]

I just got my VST 10GB expansion bay drive today from shoplet (I ordered on
March 23).  When Shoplet told me they were backordered I immediately
Sherlocked the web for these drives.  For anyone who is still interested in
finding one, kernelsoftware.com reported 4 in stock at about $50 each, and
dreamretail.com said that they can get their hands in a bunch of them for
about $80 each.  

Good luck!

Scott Cave


> From: Sue Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 18:48:30 -0500
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> Subject: Re: HD/System folder backup
> 
> been reading about backing up the system folder and HD backup  but
> everyone seems to know more  about the basics  of it than I .
> (lombard 20 hD / Ram 512).. would sure appreciate if someone would
> tell me how to do that.. as in WHAT do I need  to copy it ? Do I need
> to buy one of those no longer available vst drives ?  (all I have is
> a vst 100mb zip which isnt even large enough for the system folder
> which is  273 mb.  )  thanks for your patience on this.
> 
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Re: HD/System folder backup

[Sue Brown]

been reading about backing up the system folder and HD backup  but 
everyone seems to know more  about the basics  of it than I . 
(lombard 20 hD / Ram 512).. would sure appreciate if someone would 
tell me how to do that.. as in WHAT do I need  to copy it ? Do I need 
to buy one of those no longer available vst drives ?  (all I have is 
a vst 100mb zip which isnt even large enough for the system folder 
which is  273 mb.  )  thanks for your patience on this.

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Re: System Folder Backup

[Harper, Charlie T]

Mission accomplished!  Thanks to all who contributed on this item.  Booting
the Pismo from a CD and mounting the Cube HD on the Pismo desktop worked
like a charm.  I now understand the difference between server and client!
Thanks again for the good advice.

Charlie

-Original Message-
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Subject: Re: System Folder Backup


on 4/1/02 10:51, Harper, Charlie T at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I tried to backup my System Folder on my Pismo but ran into some problems.
> I connected my Powerbook to my Cube via a crossover cable and began to
copy
> the System Folder to the Cube.  After a few files were transferred, I
began
> to get messages that this extension and that extension could not be copied
> because they were "in use".   Anyone think how I could make a complete
> backup of my Pismo System Folder, complete with all the extensions?
Thanks.

Charlie:

It sounds to me like you mounted the Pismo on the Cube. You then dragged
files *from* the Pismo to the Cube. Whenever you copy System files from a
server you will get the "in use" errors.

However, if you reverse the server and client, you will have no problem. Do
this:
1) Mount the Cube on the Pismo
2) Drag the Pismo System Folder to the Cube

All should proceed as desired.

BTW, it's still a good idea to make an emergency CD.

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Re: System Folder Backup

[Jim]

Um... Firewire Target Disk Mode?  Can't you just boot your Pismo as a 
Firewire Target Disk (holding the "t" key down immediately after 
power-on), connect it to the Cube (already booted up) with a standard 
firewire cable, and copy away?  You'd need to use a USB CD-R drive on 
the cube since it has only one external firewire port... or maybe it 
is possible to chain a firewire CD-R drive through the Pismo target 
disk. Then you can do a direct burn from the Pismo to CD.

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>From: "Harper, Charlie T" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>Anyone think how I could make a complete
>backup of my Pismo System Folder, complete with all the extensions?  Thanks.

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Re: System Folder Backup

[Clark Martin]

At 11:29 PM -0500 4/1/02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>In a message dated 4/1/02 5:36:42 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
><< Backing up System Folders and copies of
>Applications is needlessly redundant since you already have media
>with which to reinstall these items. >>
>
>Not redundant. When one has a "happy" System Folder, that is the perfect time
>to make a backup of it. Who wants to reload 3rd party extensions, fonts,
>reset preferences in applications, etc., etc. I totally understand him
>wanting to back up his existing System Folder. Of course, if he installs any
>new apps, or fonts (if he uses the Fonts folder), or changes Preferences,
>updates the OS, etc. the back-up he makes won't be up to date, but it's
>certainly less time-consuming than starting from scratch.


I agree, it's not redundant at all.

Do you remember all of what is installed?  Did you install the latest 
version of that program on this machine?  What were all those 
freeware programs you installed?

There are lots of preferences files in the System Folder.  Now some 
of them may not have anything but the default settings but...

TIME.  I've had HDs fail and on important systems I've had full 
backups.  Being able to bring the system back up in short order is 
very useful.  I once had a harddisk that was failing and I backed it 
up every night and had it fail and had to restore it every morning. 
I did this for about a week waiting for a replacement unit to arrive. 
Being able to restore the whole HD and start using it was invaluble.
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Re: System Folder Backup

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on 01/04/02 23:29, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> In a message dated 4/1/02 5:36:42 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> << Backing up System Folders and copies of
> Applications is needlessly redundant since you already have media
> with which to reinstall these items. >>
> 
> Not redundant. When one has a "happy" System Folder, that is the perfect time
> to make a backup of it. Who wants to reload 3rd party extensions, fonts,
> reset preferences in applications, etc., etc. I totally understand him
> wanting to back up his existing System Folder. Of course, if he installs any
> new apps, or fonts (if he uses the Fonts folder), or changes Preferences,
> updates the OS, etc. the back-up he makes won't be up to date, but it's
> certainly less time-consuming than starting from scratch.

I certainly fully agree with this. Having to go through all your 3rd party
extensions, control panels, fonts and whatsnot, making a backup of a working
system folder is a good idea, that is, under OS 9.

OS 10 is a bit more problematic...

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Re: System Folder Backup

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<< Backing up System Folders and copies of 
Applications is needlessly redundant since you already have media 
with which to reinstall these items. >>

Not redundant. When one has a "happy" System Folder, that is the perfect time 
to make a backup of it. Who wants to reload 3rd party extensions, fonts, 
reset preferences in applications, etc., etc. I totally understand him 
wanting to back up his existing System Folder. Of course, if he installs any 
new apps, or fonts (if he uses the Fonts folder), or changes Preferences, 
updates the OS, etc. the back-up he makes won't be up to date, but it's 
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Re: System Folder Backup

[Mick Ring]

on 4/1/02 10:51, Harper, Charlie T at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I tried to backup my System Folder on my Pismo but ran into some problems.
> I connected my Powerbook to my Cube via a crossover cable and began to copy
> the System Folder to the Cube.  After a few files were transferred, I began
> to get messages that this extension and that extension could not be copied
> because they were "in use".   Anyone think how I could make a complete
> backup of my Pismo System Folder, complete with all the extensions?  Thanks.

Charlie:

It sounds to me like you mounted the Pismo on the Cube. You then dragged
files *from* the Pismo to the Cube. Whenever you copy System files from a
server you will get the "in use" errors.

However, if you reverse the server and client, you will have no problem. Do
this:
1) Mount the Cube on the Pismo
2) Drag the Pismo System Folder to the Cube

All should proceed as desired.

BTW, it's still a good idea to make an emergency CD.

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Re: System Folder Backup

[MikkiWokk]

Here's a solution that will kill two birds at once. Chris Breen, who write 
the Macworld "Mac 911" column also has Quicktime video clips providing tips. 
In December he outlined the process for creating an emergency boot CD. His 
stated purpose was to create your own CD, with a clean system, whereby you 
could then add your favorite system utilities -- so that you can have the 
ultimate in troubleshooting CDs -- all in one. You can follow this same 
procedure and either include any system utilities you may have, or not, but 
just make certain that you include File Sharing in the System Folder on the 
CD you create. If you do not have a burner, borrow one, or go to a friend and 
use one -- you'll need it just once to create this CD (actually, I'd 
recommend you just get one, but that's up to you). Because I don't want to 
violate any copyrights, I will not describe word for word what the procedure 
was, but here's the web link to the video: 
<http://www.macworld.com/2001/12/movie/promo.html>.

After you create this CD, boot your Pismo from this CD. Then you can make the 
complete backup of your working System Folder to the Cube as you originally 
intended.

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<< I tried to backup my System Folder on my Pismo but ran into some problems.

I connected my Powerbook to my Cube via a crossover cable and began to copy

the System Folder to the Cube.  After a few files were transferred, I began

to get messages that this extension and that extension could not be copied

because they were "in use".   Anyone think how I could make a complete

backup of my Pismo System Folder, complete with all the extensions?  Thanks. 
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Re: System Folder Backup

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At 4.03 PM -0600 4/1/02, Harper, Charlie T wrote:

>Response:  Ok, things were going great until I read your last statement.
>The whole purpose of this exercise is to somehow get the System Folder from
>my Powerbook transferred to the Cube so I can burn a CD to have as a backup
>just in case my Powerbook's HD ever heads south. I can't stand the thought
>of having to rebuild everything from scratch.  What do you mean by "won't be
>able to effectively move System files" back to the Cube?  You previously
>said that I could transfer files either way. I'm confused as these
>statements seem to contradict themselves.  Need a little more help here.
>Thanks.

Well basically, you can't affect (or replace) any files 
on the server that are "in use." The System Folder on the Cube is 
always "in use", therefore you can't replace it. If all you're doing 
is transferring the System Folder to the Cube to back it up, that 
should be fine.

On the subject of backups, though. I would suggest only back up 
non-replaceable data; documents you've created, personal affects, 
email, bookmarks, etc. Backing up System Folders and copies of 
Applications is needlessly redundant since you already have media 
with which to reinstall these items.

Personally, I backup only the items I note above (mostly just my home 
directory in OS X) plus any installers and/or updaters I need and 
don't already have CD somewhere. This cuts down on the time it takes 
for me to back up my data as well as the cost of backup media.

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Re: System Folder Backup

[Laurent Daudelin]

On 01/04/02 17:18, "Gary D. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Charlie:
> 
>   I'm going to fire up my desktop and boot my Pismo from CD and see what I
> can do. I guess I've never tried to move System files when booted from a CD.
> The very point of what you want to do is share the System files. I'll let you
> know what works.
> 
> Gary
> 
> "Harper, Charlie T" wrote:
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Jeremy Derr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 3:43 PM
>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Subject: Re: System Folder Backup
>> 
>> At 3.05 PM -0600 4/1/02, Harper, Charlie T wrote:
>>> Ok, if I am able to see the Cube's HD on the Pismo desktop, can I then drag
>>> the Pismo's
>>> System Folder onto the Cube HD icon and expect to have the Pismo files
>>> transferred to the Cube?  I am assuming that the Pismo would not be acting
>>> as a file sharing server in this mode.  I guess I don't understand exactly
>>> the definition of a "file server" vs. a "client".  Any help here would be
>>> appreciated.  Thanks.
>> 
>> A server provides services to other computers, which are known as
>> clients. A file server provides files to other computers. In this
>> case, the Cube is providing files to the PowerBook; therefore, the
>> Cube is the Server, the PowerBook is the Client.
>> 
>> Once the Cube's hard drive is mounted on the desktop of the
>> PowerBook, you can transfer files either way really. You can drag
>> files from the Cube onto the PowerBook or from the PowerBook onto the
>> Cube.
>> 
>> Caveat here is that you won't be able to effectively move System
>> files from the PowerBook to the Cube.
>> 
>> Response:  Ok, things were going great until I read your last statement.
>> The whole purpose of this exercise is to somehow get the System Folder from
>> my Powerbook transferred to the Cube so I can burn a CD to have as a backup
>> just in case my Powerbook's HD ever heads south. I can't stand the thought
>> of having to rebuild everything from scratch.  What do you mean by "won't be
>> able to effectively move System files" back to the Cube?  You previously
>> said that I could transfer files either way. I'm confused as these
>> statements seem to contradict themselves.  Need a little more help here.
>> Thanks.

Charlie,

You shouldn't have any problem to copy the system folder on your Pismo to
your Cube if you boot the Pismo from the system CD and then access the
Cube's hard disk through file sharing.

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Re: System Folder Backup

[Gary D. Adams]

Charlie:

I'm going to fire up my desktop and boot my Pismo from CD and see what I
can do. I guess I've never tried to move System files when booted from a CD.
The very point of what you want to do is share the System files. I'll let you
know what works.

Gary

"Harper, Charlie T" wrote:

> -Original Message-
> From: Jeremy Derr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 3:43 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: System Folder Backup
>
> At 3.05 PM -0600 4/1/02, Harper, Charlie T wrote:
> >Ok, if I am able to see the Cube's HD on the Pismo desktop, can I then drag
> >the Pismo's
> >System Folder onto the Cube HD icon and expect to have the Pismo files
> >transferred to the Cube?  I am assuming that the Pismo would not be acting
> >as a file sharing server in this mode.  I guess I don't understand exactly
> >the definition of a "file server" vs. a "client".  Any help here would be
> >appreciated.  Thanks.
>
> A server provides services to other computers, which are known as
> clients. A file server provides files to other computers. In this
> case, the Cube is providing files to the PowerBook; therefore, the
> Cube is the Server, the PowerBook is the Client.
>
> Once the Cube's hard drive is mounted on the desktop of the
> PowerBook, you can transfer files either way really. You can drag
> files from the Cube onto the PowerBook or from the PowerBook onto the
> Cube.
>
> Caveat here is that you won't be able to effectively move System
> files from the PowerBook to the Cube.
>
> Response:  Ok, things were going great until I read your last statement.
> The whole purpose of this exercise is to somehow get the System Folder from
> my Powerbook transferred to the Cube so I can burn a CD to have as a backup
> just in case my Powerbook's HD ever heads south. I can't stand the thought
> of having to rebuild everything from scratch.  What do you mean by "won't be
> able to effectively move System files" back to the Cube?  You previously
> said that I could transfer files either way. I'm confused as these
> statements seem to contradict themselves.  Need a little more help here.
> Thanks.
>
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Re: System Folder Backup

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-Original Message-
From: Jeremy Derr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 3:43 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: System Folder Backup


At 3.05 PM -0600 4/1/02, Harper, Charlie T wrote:
>Ok, if I am able to see the Cube's HD on the Pismo desktop, can I then drag
>the Pismo's
>System Folder onto the Cube HD icon and expect to have the Pismo files
>transferred to the Cube?  I am assuming that the Pismo would not be acting
>as a file sharing server in this mode.  I guess I don't understand exactly
>the definition of a "file server" vs. a "client".  Any help here would be
>appreciated.  Thanks.

A server provides services to other computers, which are known as 
clients. A file server provides files to other computers. In this 
case, the Cube is providing files to the PowerBook; therefore, the 
Cube is the Server, the PowerBook is the Client.

Once the Cube's hard drive is mounted on the desktop of the 
PowerBook, you can transfer files either way really. You can drag 
files from the Cube onto the PowerBook or from the PowerBook onto the 
Cube.

Caveat here is that you won't be able to effectively move System 
files from the PowerBook to the Cube.

Response:  Ok, things were going great until I read your last statement.
The whole purpose of this exercise is to somehow get the System Folder from
my Powerbook transferred to the Cube so I can burn a CD to have as a backup
just in case my Powerbook's HD ever heads south. I can't stand the thought
of having to rebuild everything from scratch.  What do you mean by "won't be
able to effectively move System files" back to the Cube?  You previously
said that I could transfer files either way. I'm confused as these
statements seem to contradict themselves.  Need a little more help here.
Thanks.  

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Re: System Folder Backup

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At 3.05 PM -0600 4/1/02, Harper, Charlie T wrote:
>Ok, if I am able to see the Cube's HD on the Pismo desktop, can I then drag
>the Pismo's
>System Folder onto the Cube HD icon and expect to have the Pismo files
>transferred to the Cube?  I am assuming that the Pismo would not be acting
>as a file sharing server in this mode.  I guess I don't understand exactly
>the definition of a "file server" vs. a "client".  Any help here would be
>appreciated.  Thanks.

A server provides services to other computers, which are known as 
clients. A file server provides files to other computers. In this 
case, the Cube is providing files to the PowerBook; therefore, the 
Cube is the Server, the PowerBook is the Client.

Once the Cube's hard drive is mounted on the desktop of the 
PowerBook, you can transfer files either way really. You can drag 
files from the Cube onto the PowerBook or from the PowerBook onto the 
Cube.

Caveat here is that you won't be able to effectively move System 
files from the PowerBook to the Cube.

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Re: System Folder Backup

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On 01/04/02 16:05, "Harper, Charlie T" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Ok, if I am able to see the Cube's HD on the Pismo desktop, can I then drag
> the Pismo's 
> System Folder onto the Cube HD icon and expect to have the Pismo files
> transferred to the Cube?  I am assuming that the Pismo would not be acting
> as a file sharing server in this mode.  I guess I don't understand exactly
> the definition of a "file server" vs. a "client".  Any help here would be
> appreciated.  Thanks.

That's it! The server is the computer that is doing the file sharing; the
client is the computer that is accessing the server.

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[Harper, Charlie T]

Ok, if I am able to see the Cube's HD on the Pismo desktop, can I then drag
the Pismo's 
System Folder onto the Cube HD icon and expect to have the Pismo files
transferred to the Cube?  I am assuming that the Pismo would not be acting
as a file sharing server in this mode.  I guess I don't understand exactly
the definition of a "file server" vs. a "client".  Any help here would be
appreciated.  Thanks.

-Original Message-
From: Jeremy Derr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 2:47 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: System Folder Backup


At 2.12 PM -0600 4/1/02, Gary D. Adams wrote:
>No, Charlie. I think what Jeremy was saying was you look in the Chooser on
the
>Cube and see your Pismo HD and mount it to your Cube and then transfer the
>files.

Nope, charlie has it correct; if the Pismo is booted to a Mac OS CD, 
it cannot be a file sharing server. All it will be able to do is 
mount another computer's hard drive via the chooser.

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At 2.12 PM -0600 4/1/02, Gary D. Adams wrote:
>No, Charlie. I think what Jeremy was saying was you look in the Chooser on the
>Cube and see your Pismo HD and mount it to your Cube and then transfer the
>files.

Nope, charlie has it correct; if the Pismo is booted to a Mac OS CD, 
it cannot be a file sharing server. All it will be able to do is 
mount another computer's hard drive via the chooser.

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Re: System Folder Backup

[Harper, Charlie T]

Ok, I'll give that a try.

-Original Message-
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Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 2:12 PM
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Subject: Re: System Folder Backup


No, Charlie. I think what Jeremy was saying was you look in the Chooser on
the
Cube and see your Pismo HD and mount it to your Cube and then transfer the
files.

Gary

"Harper, Charlie T" wrote:

> Thanks guys.  What I'm hearing is that I can boot my Pismo from the System
> CD, look in the Chooser and see my Cube and mount its Hard Drive which
> should appear on my Pismo's desktop.  Then copy the System Folder on my
> Pismo's hard drive to the Cube's hard drive. Let me know if I have missed
> something here.  I'll give it a try tonight when I get home.  Thanks
again.
>


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Re: System Folder Backup

[Gary D. Adams]

No, Charlie. I think what Jeremy was saying was you look in the Chooser on the
Cube and see your Pismo HD and mount it to your Cube and then transfer the
files.

Gary

"Harper, Charlie T" wrote:

> Thanks guys.  What I'm hearing is that I can boot my Pismo from the System
> CD, look in the Chooser and see my Cube and mount its Hard Drive which
> should appear on my Pismo's desktop.  Then copy the System Folder on my
> Pismo's hard drive to the Cube's hard drive. Let me know if I have missed
> something here.  I'll give it a try tonight when I get home.  Thanks again.
>


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Re: System Folder Backup

[Harper, Charlie T]

Thanks guys.  What I'm hearing is that I can boot my Pismo from the System
CD, look in the Chooser and see my Cube and mount its Hard Drive which
should appear on my Pismo's desktop.  Then copy the System Folder on my
Pismo's hard drive to the Cube's hard drive. Let me know if I have missed
something here.  I'll give it a try tonight when I get home.  Thanks again.

-Original Message-
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Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 1:38 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: System Folder Backup


Yep! That's the solution. I wasn't thinking.

Gary

Jeremy Derr wrote:

> At 12.58 PM -0600 4/1/02, Harper, Charlie T wrote:
> >Start the PB up with a system CD. Then you'll have access to all the
items
> >in
> >the System folder.
> >
> >Response: But can I activate File Sharing having started up from the CD?
>
> you can't activate it on the machine that's booted to CD.. but
> you can use the Chooser to mount shared volumes on other computers. A
> machine booted to CD can be a filesharing Client, but not a Server
> (unless you've made a custom start up CD).
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Re: System Folder Backup

[Gary D. Adams]

Yep! That's the solution. I wasn't thinking.

Gary

Jeremy Derr wrote:

> At 12.58 PM -0600 4/1/02, Harper, Charlie T wrote:
> >Start the PB up with a system CD. Then you'll have access to all the items
> >in
> >the System folder.
> >
> >Response: But can I activate File Sharing having started up from the CD?
>
> you can't activate it on the machine that's booted to CD.. but
> you can use the Chooser to mount shared volumes on other computers. A
> machine booted to CD can be a filesharing Client, but not a Server
> (unless you've made a custom start up CD).
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Re: System Folder Backup

[Jeremy Derr]

At 12.58 PM -0600 4/1/02, Harper, Charlie T wrote:
>Start the PB up with a system CD. Then you'll have access to all the items
>in
>the System folder.
>
>Response: But can I activate File Sharing having started up from the CD?

you can't activate it on the machine that's booted to CD.. but 
you can use the Chooser to mount shared volumes on other computers. A 
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Re: System Folder Backup

[Gary D. Adams]

I thought of that after I fired that off. I'm not sure. You can try and see.
Failing that (I'm new to PBs, so this is a shot in the dark), if it's
Firewire you can start up in firewire mode and if it's SCSI you could start
up in SCSI mode (of course, you'd have to have the requisite cables).

Gary

"Harper, Charlie T" wrote:

> Start the PB up with a system CD. Then you'll have access to all the items
> in
> the System folder.
>
> Response: But can I activate File Sharing having started up from the CD?
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Re: System Folder Backup

[Harper, Charlie T]

Start the PB up with a system CD. Then you'll have access to all the items
in
the System folder.


Response: But can I activate File Sharing having started up from the CD?


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Re: System Folder Backup

[Gary D. Adams]

Start the PB up with a system CD. Then you'll have access to all the items in
the System folder.

Gary

"Harper, Charlie T" wrote:

> I tried to backup my System Folder on my Pismo but ran into some problems.
> I connected my Powerbook to my Cube via a crossover cable and began to copy
> the System Folder to the Cube.  After a few files were transferred, I began
> to get messages that this extension and that extension could not be copied
> because they were "in use".   Anyone think how I could make a complete
> backup of my Pismo System Folder, complete with all the extensions?  Thanks.


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System Folder Backup

[Harper, Charlie T]

I tried to backup my System Folder on my Pismo but ran into some problems.
I connected my Powerbook to my Cube via a crossover cable and began to copy
the System Folder to the Cube.  After a few files were transferred, I began
to get messages that this extension and that extension could not be copied
because they were "in use".   Anyone think how I could make a complete
backup of my Pismo System Folder, complete with all the extensions?  Thanks.




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Re: Pismo internal backup battery

[Remy Davison]

>> Where's the best place to get the internal (PRAM) battery for a Pismo? Does
>> Radio Shack carry an equivalent?
>> 
>> Secondly, has anyone ever replaced one? Is it difficult? Anybody have any
>> web links to the documented procedure?
>
>I highly doubt that you would find that battery at Radio Shack. These are
>pretty much custom made.
>
>That being said, the backup battery is fairly easy to replace. You basically
>pop up the keyboard and it's on the right side, easy to remove.
>
>I would suggest you check with PowerBook Parts for a replacement battery
><http://www.pbparts.com/>. BTW, what makes you think that your backup
>battery has to be replaced? When completely discharged, I've read somewhere
>in Apple documentation that the PowerBook has to be plugged in the AC for at
>least 24 hours before the backup battery will be fully recharged (yes,
>that's a rechargeable battery).
These batteries are 'dual' (i.e. two in one). But they're simply 2 
5300/190/1400 batteries in a single casing. I successfully used a 5300 
PRAM battery in my Lombard (same PRAM as Pismo/Wallstreet). The lower 
power of the 5300 battery means it won't last as a PRAM battery alone for 
long [i.e. _without_ the AC or main battery installed, while in sleep 
mode], but works fine as a normal PRAM battery. The issue is also cost - 
$30-$40 for a Lomb/Piz PRAM v. $3 for a 5300 PRAM (that's what I paid for 
mine).

Nevertheless, the OP should look at recharging their PRAM - takes 24-48 
hours of the 'Book plugged in.

Cheers,

RD

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Re: Pismo internal backup battery

[Laurent Daudelin]

On 19/03/02 11:17, "gd2" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Where's the best place to get the internal (PRAM) battery for a Pismo? Does
> Radio Shack carry an equivalent?
> 
> Secondly, has anyone ever replaced one? Is it difficult? Anybody have any
> web links to the documented procedure?

I highly doubt that you would find that battery at Radio Shack. These are
pretty much custom made.

That being said, the backup battery is fairly easy to replace. You basically
pop up the keyboard and it's on the right side, easy to remove.

I would suggest you check with PowerBook Parts for a replacement battery
<http://www.pbparts.com/>. BTW, what makes you think that your backup
battery has to be replaced? When completely discharged, I've read somewhere
in Apple documentation that the PowerBook has to be plugged in the AC for at
least 24 hours before the backup battery will be fully recharged (yes,
that's a rechargeable battery).

The best guide to walk you through the steps required to service your Pismo
is the PowerBook (FireWire) Service Manual from Apple. You can find a pdf
version of it at <http://www.freehost.nu/members/enigmac/appleman.html> if
you can connect (which I can't right now).

-Laurent.

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Re: Pismo internal backup battery

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At 11.17 AM -0500 3/19/02, gd2 wrote:
>Where's the best place to get the internal (PRAM) battery for a Pismo? Does
>Radio Shack carry an equivalent?
>
>Secondly, has anyone ever replaced one? Is it difficult? Anybody have any
>web links to the documented procedure?

Replacing the backup battery is about as hard as installing 
additional RAM; the backup battery is under the keyboard, right next 
to the hard drive. There's no real "procedure" to it; you unplug it 
and pull it out. It's the black and amber "pack" right between the 
hard drive and the right-hand palm rest, it's connector is next to 
the right side screw for the shield that goes over the processor card.

I've yet to encounter a battery that RadShack didn't have in stock, 
or at least could get for me within a reasonable amount of time. I've 
never asked about powerbook lithium batteries though. I always 
just carry the dead battery in with me and show it to them.

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Pismo internal backup battery

[gd2]

Where's the best place to get the internal (PRAM) battery for a Pismo? Does
Radio Shack carry an equivalent?

Secondly, has anyone ever replaced one? Is it difficult? Anybody have any
web links to the documented procedure?

Thanks -
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Re: Camcorder backup

[Tom Ethen]

As a photographer, I find magnetic media to be a non-archival way of storing
data, while CD's or DVD's will last longer than you do.
Video tape does not last and those who are storing their children's younger
years on them, will be disappointed to say the least when they look at them
in fifteen to twenty years.
Tom

> Well, these are the same fragile tapes that I already trust many of my most
> precious memories to - certainly as important to me as the data on my hard
> drive.
> 
> And I'm thinking more of archiving than anything I would want instant access
> to - why not back up your whole hard drive to a tape in the small hours?
> CDs are too small to back up large files, e.g. Video, while DVD isn't really
> mainstream yet.


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Re: Camcorder backup

[Mike Ferguson]

On 23/7/01 4:19 am, "Paige H. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Well, then here is a good place to start:
> 
> http://www.macworld.com/ubb/Forum20/HTML/000128.html
You were just stalling me, weren't you...you had the answer all the time!

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