[gentoo-user] Optimal speed for burning Linux ISO images

2003-08-19 Thread Ronald Kuwawi
Hello all,

Is there any particular optimal speed when burning Linux ISO
images?

- does that particular speed is influenced by the 
  CD-RW drive, burning software, and CD-R media?


thanks :)
Ronald


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Re: [gentoo-user] small installation

2003-08-19 Thread Gustav_Schaffter

Sounds too small for Gentoo. I have successfully installed Gentoo on a 1.2
GB HD, but 80MB...

What do you intend to do with the system? Run a gateway, a router, a
firewall? There are special distros for these kind of installations.

I'm currently setting up a "bering" installation on a hardware-challenged
system. It will boot off a std diskette, no HD, 16 MB of RAM. But, it's for
a specific usage. So the question really is what is your intention with the
system once installed.


Gus





   
 
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I need a very small installation of gentoo.

Is it possible to get gentoo under 80 MB ?

Maybe anyone does know?

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RE: [gentoo-user] Optimal speed for burning Linux ISO images

2003-08-19 Thread Gwendolyn van der Linden
> Is there any particular optimal speed when burning Linux ISO
> images?
>
> - does that particular speed is influenced by the
>   CD-RW drive, burning software, and CD-R media?

I'd say its the lowest number of all of the above.  If you have a
decent computer then it's the minimum of the CDR media write speed and
the CD-RW write speed.

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Re: [gentoo-user] x eats my mem and cpu

2003-08-19 Thread Javier Villavicencio
On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 15:12:05 +0200
Spider <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I'm prone to suspect that the case is unreleased pixmaps in gaim, which
> means that gaim allocates memory from the X server with each time it
> shows a flashy picture, but at the end of the process it doesn't
> -release- theese from the X server, which means that X has to keep
> holding them in case another app will want to use it.
> 
> 

Same problems here, sure it's gaim, sure sylpheed-claws releases it's memory
without problems, but, when you have all your gtk+ apps killed, why the memory
isn't released??

I don't have the big problem like "a_k_b <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>", I mean, not hours,
but every 2 days I have to restart X.

And btw, sometimes, when I kill gaim, and the RAM and the swap are at almost
99%, the "release" of the memory killed my linux box, it becomes unstable. All I
can do after that, is a sysrq+s/u/b. This only happens with these kernels:
gentoo and gaming sources (I like to test kernels/patches), and never happened
with Wolk or Vanilla or 2.6. I'm using the last wolk as my stable kernel without 
problems.

My computer here: Pentium III 600Mhz 256Mb Ram, 300Mb Swap, MB: ASUS P2B.

And for other memory consuming *thing* using XMMS with the Esound output and 
ALSA, never get's (all the apps) over 10Mb of memory.

My gtk themes: 2.0: "H2O-Gtk2-Saphire" 1.2: "Gentoo".

Salu2

Javier.

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[gentoo-user] Install with serial-ata disk

2003-08-19 Thread Robert Arroyo
Hello,

I want to install gentoo on a computer with a serial-ata disk.
With the basic ivecd 1.4 my intel serial-ata controller is not detected.
I have read in the forums that stables kernels don't support many serial-ata 
controller, so my question is that what is the way i can use to intall gentoo 
in my box.

Thx a lot

Robert


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[gentoo-user] Installing Gentoo 1.4 on a WiFi laptop

2003-08-19 Thread Martin LORANG
Hi all,

I have a laptop with a lucent technology orinoco wifi pcmcia ethernet adapter. 
This adapter works wery well with the Knoppix live CD.

I boot the Gentoo 1.4 install CD with : gentoo dokeymap dopcmcia
Then : modprobe orinico_cs
The modules are loaded : checked with lsmod.
The net-setup eth0 fails because I have no eth0 device !

Any hint out there ?

Thanks

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Re: [gentoo-user] Ant build succeeded, but...

2003-08-19 Thread Frederic Soulier
On Tue, 2003-08-19 at 04:09, Phil Barnett wrote:
> On Tuesday 12 August 2003 8:12 am, Larry Meadors wrote:
> 
> > The message "Buildfile: build.xml does not exist!" happens when you run
> > ant and there is not a build.xml file in the current directory, or you
> > do not specify one on the command line.
> >
> > Running ant will not create build.xml, but instead will process an
> > existing one.
> >
> > When you run the emerge, what happens?
> 
> >>> emerge (1 of 4) dev-db/postgresql-7.3.4 to /
> >>> md5 src_uri ;-) postgresql-7.3.4.tar.gz
> >>> Unpacking source...
> >>> Unpacking postgresql-7.3.4.tar.gz to 
> /var/tmp/portage/postgresql-7.3.4/work
> ..
> checking whether to build Java/JDBC tools... yes
> checking for jakarta-ant... no
> checking for ant... /usr/bin/ant
> checking whether /usr/bin/ant works... no
> configure: error: ant does not work
> 
> !!! ERROR: dev-db/postgresql-7.3.4 failed.
> !!! Function src_compile, Line 93, Exitcode 1
> !!! (no error message)

This is a known bug (#22875). I have the same pbm.

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Re: [gentoo-user] small installation

2003-08-19 Thread Ewald Geschwinde
I need it for a embedded system.
Should run on a flash rom with 128 MB
It's OT but does anyone know any distribution who is good for embedded 
handling??

Regards Ewald Geschwinde

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Sounds too small for Gentoo. I have successfully installed Gentoo on a 1.2
GB HD, but 80MB...
What do you intend to do with the system? Run a gateway, a router, a
firewall? There are special distros for these kind of installations.
I'm currently setting up a "bering" installation on a hardware-challenged
system. It will boot off a std diskette, no HD, 16 MB of RAM. But, it's for
a specific usage. So the question really is what is your intention with the
system once installed.
Gus





   
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I need a very small installation of gentoo.

Is it possible to get gentoo under 80 MB ?

Maybe anyone does know?

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Re: [gentoo-user] small installation

2003-08-19 Thread Nicolas STURMEL
Ewald Geschwinde wrote:
> I need it for a embedded system.
> Should run on a flash rom with 128 MB
> 

I know people who managed to put a debian system on a 128 Mb flash for
an embedded system running an Epia 5000.
But this kind of operations are tricky. Perhaps you should look in
http://www.linux.org/dist/index.html where you can find distributions
specialy designed for embedded systems.

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Re: [gentoo-user] small installation

2003-08-19 Thread Frederick Kautz
You could probably build one from scratch... compile the kernel and any
GNU programs that are absolutely necessary for running the system.  

http://www.linuxrouter.org/
http://www.frazierwall.com 
http://www.coyotelinux.com/ are linux firewalls and NAT systems in a
floppy.  

http://embedded.adis.on.ca/ is supposed to be built for embedded
systems, but their site doesn't seem to work for me.  
ftp://ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/small-linux/ their domain
(http://smalllinux.netpedia.net/) was bought out though... and not sure
where it moved to or if it even did move.  Anyways, you can probably
modify one of the above to meet your requirements.  Hope this helps!
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On Tue, 2003-08-19 at 01:08, Ewald Geschwinde wrote:
> I need it for a embedded system.
> Should run on a flash rom with 128 MB
> 
> It's OT but does anyone know any distribution who is good for embedded 
> handling??
> 
> Regards Ewald Geschwinde
> 
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> >firewall? There are special distros for these kind of installations.
> >
> >I'm currently setting up a "bering" installation on a hardware-challenged
> >system. It will boot off a std diskette, no HD, 16 MB of RAM. But, it's for
> >a specific usage. So the question really is what is your intention with the
> >system once installed.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Installing Gentoo 1.4 on a WiFi laptop

2003-08-19 Thread Norbert Kamenicky
1. Run lsmod on Knoppix to find out which modules
   are needed for wifi card
2. Load these modules by hand using modprobe,
   if you receive "Can't locate ..." error, then
   reconfigure, build and boot new kernel with
missing modules, goto 2.
3. If the card is now available, modify your
   /etc/modules.d/modules.conf
or
   /etc/modules.autoload
   let's  modules are loded automatically next time
Hope this helps.

noro

Martin LORANG wrote:

Hi all,

I have a laptop with a lucent technology orinoco wifi pcmcia ethernet adapter. 
This adapter works wery well with the Knoppix live CD.

I boot the Gentoo 1.4 install CD with : gentoo dokeymap dopcmcia
Then : modprobe orinico_cs
The modules are loaded : checked with lsmod.
The net-setup eth0 fails because I have no eth0 device !
Any hint out there ?

Thanks

Martin

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Re: [gentoo-user] small installation

2003-08-19 Thread Ewald Geschwinde
Nicolas STURMEL wrote:

Ewald Geschwinde wrote:
 

I need it for a embedded system.
Should run on a flash rom with 128 MB
   

I know people who managed to put a debian system on a 128 Mb flash for
an embedded system running an Epia 5000.
But this kind of operations are tricky. Perhaps you should look in
http://www.linux.org/dist/index.html where you can find distributions
specialy designed for embedded systems.
 

I tried debian before but I don't get under 140 MB

For my normal systems I take now gentoo cause of it's system with 
compiling sources.
Do you have an url of this debian system and how they managed to get 
debian down like this

Why I'm interested in this thing is that updating with debian or gentoo 
will be the best thing.

Reagards Ewald Geschwinde



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Re: [gentoo-user] small installation

2003-08-19 Thread Nicolas STURMEL
Ewald Geschwinde wrote:
> Do you have an url of this debian system and how they managed to get
> debian down like this
> 

Not at all, i only know that they spent much time to manage this.

Did you compress your 140Mb system ? the good idea is to put a
system.tgz on the flash witch is untared on a ramdisk.
You could keep this system on a server, and, after updating, uploading
it to the flash disk. Since read-write are limited on flash disks, this
wouls be the safest way.

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[gentoo-user] Error in mail.log

2003-08-19 Thread Patrick Marquetecken
Hi, 

I have this error in my mail.log. 
what can i do to get this fixed?

Aug 19 11:24:11 rivendell spamd[2180]: Cannot open bayes_path 
/home/istari/.spamassassin/bayes R/O:

The directory exists spamassassin is install also bogofilter

TIA
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Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel 2.6 oddities

2003-08-19 Thread Ulrich Plate
Chris I wrote:

> > I've seen the same when switching from a 2.4 to 2.5 kernel.  I guess
> > something in the new mouse input system made things more sensitive. 
> > I had to turn sensitivity and acceleration all the way down in the
> > gnome config.  Maybe some playing with xset(1) will help?
> 
> Try using one of those new logitech mice in 800dpi mode. It seems like
> a good idea, but i dont even _see_ the mouse as it flies across the 
> screen ;)

I actually like it the way it is now, and the same is true for my PS/2
mouse on the desktop since I converted to 2.6. Much smoother than
before, not too fast at all. :) I was merely curious what was causing
this.

Cheers
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Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel 2.6 oddities

2003-08-19 Thread Ulrich Plate
Jason Stubbs wrote:

> > * The console lost the | character, no matter how hard I hammer on
> >   that key on my Japanese 106 keyboard. Works fine in X, though.
> 
> Exactly the same deal here. It's frustrating, isn't it?

Well, yes it is. And I don't have the foggiest what could be causing
this. I'll try to fiddle with keymap settings for the console, but
rc.conf already knows about jp106...

> I get several errors about modules, including some from cardmgr.
> However, as with you, everything is working fine so I haven't taken
> the time to find the source yet.

Is there a log for all these error messages, by the way? dmesg
doesn't record any of this, all I see is output to stout, but it's
scrolling past the screen at a tremendous pace, and I don't really feel
like booting a few dozen times and trying to take notes.

> > * My jogdial (really a wheel in the touchpad) has finally started to
> >   ackknowledge it's a middle mouse button! I can now paste
> >   highlighted text by pressing on that wheel - but of course
> >   sjogdial comes up, too...
> 
> That's a good thing, right?

Of course. It's just that in order to keep my sanity I'll have to
disable sjogdial now... *grin*

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Re: [gentoo-user] x eats my mem and cpu

2003-08-19 Thread a_k_b
> Same problems here, sure it's gaim, sure sylpheed-claws releases it's memory
> without problems, but, when you have all your gtk+ apps killed, why the memory
> isn't released??

well, i tested around for a while now and have to say that it really seems to be gaim.
the less i chat with gaim, the later the problems occur. i tried to concentrate my 
activities to irssi the last few days and used gaim for only few hours. sometimes 
while sleeping (so no great activity on gaim)... and its okay, i didnt have to restart 
X again. the memory usage is about 22%, sometimes more, sometimes less.

but why is this all related to X's memory usage? shouldnt a program use its own 
"memory area"? or is this related to the framework it uses (gtk2), since the framework 
must use X directly instead of starting a viewable process?

arne

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Re: [gentoo-user] x eats my mem and cpu

2003-08-19 Thread Spider
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 12:41:15 +0200
a_k_b <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> but why is this all related to X's memory usage? shouldnt a program
> use its own "memory area"? or is this related to the framework it uses
> (gtk2), since the framework must use X directly instead of starting a
> viewable process?

Actually its related to how X deals with visible images, aka pixmaps. An
application has to load a pixmap for display in the X server. When it
doesn't want it again, it has to release it, since the X server does not
track process calls (threading, sharing pixmaps between applications and
so on)  

This then makes for a mess when a sloppy coder doesn't deallocate RAM as
he should when having used X pixmap calls.  This is a gaim bug that
should be filed. 


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Re: [gentoo-user] building a file server

2003-08-19 Thread Tom Condon
On Monday 18 August 2003 18:06, Jason Stubbs carved in 
(Bgranite:
(B> What do you mean exactly when you say that NT only came
(B> with FTP on the servers? You mean the command line ftp
(B> client? You mean an FTP server itself? Win2k/XP et al have
(B> iis (cut version on the workstations) but my understanding
(B> is that the file server would be on Gentoo and the Win box
(B> would just be accessing the files.
(B
(BI mean that there was no way for a desktop at home running 
(BWinNT 4.0 to perform an ftp file transfer.  It wasn't 
(Bavailable via the command line and the IE distributed with 
(BNT4.0 would not perform it either.  SOL for FTP!  That is 
(Bwhat M$ told me and what all the documentation told me.  "Oh, 
(Bwell, we expect you to be connected to an NT Server that will 
(Bprovide that function for you." said the M$ help drone.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Newbie install

2003-08-19 Thread Yannick Le Saint

> My question is, is there a "safe" way to install OVER my mandrake (ie
> leaving partitions as is), does anyone know of any FAQs/HOWTOs to
> accomplish this.

 You can install gentoo keeping your existing partition and data, but anyway, 
my best advice would be to SAVE YOUR FILES in some place first.


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Re: [gentoo-user] x eats my mem and cpu

2003-08-19 Thread a_k_b
> This then makes for a mess when a sloppy coder doesn't deallocate RAM as
> he should when having used X pixmap calls.  This is a gaim bug that
> should be filed. 

mh sure... i understand this. but cant there be kind of prevention? i think if its so 
easy to do those things with xfree, there should be something like an automatically 
deallocation of the memory the app used. would be much better to prevent this... and 
give an option to NOT to do, if a program must remain in memory.

arne

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[gentoo-user] still having emerge -u problems

2003-08-19 Thread Travis Roy
I can't get some stuff to compile! it's driving me nuts!

when I do a "emerge -u sys-libs/db" it goes for a while then I get this:

gcc -c -I. -I../dist/../include -D_REENTRANT -D_GNU_SOURCE -march=pentium2 -
O3 -pipe ../dist/../dbm/dbm.c  -fPIC -DPIC -o dbm.lo
/bin/sh ./libtool --mode=compile
gcc -c -I. -I../dist/../include -D_REENTRANT  -D_GNU_SOURCE -march=pentium2
-O3 -pipe ../dist/../env/env_method.c
gcc -c -I. -I../dist/../include -D_REENTRANT -D_GNU_SOURCE -march=pentium2 -
O3 -pipe ../dist/../env/env_method.c  -fPIC -DPIC -o env_method.lo
/bin/sh ./libtool --mode=compile
gcc -c -I. -I../dist/../include -D_REENTRANT  -D_GNU_SOURCE -march=pentium2
-O3 -pipe ../dist/../env/env_open.c
gcc -c -I. -I../dist/../include -D_REENTRANT -D_GNU_SOURCE -march=pentium2 -
O3 -pipe ../dist/../env/env_open.c  -fPIC -DPIC -o env_open.lo
/bin/sh ./libtool --mode=compile
gcc -c -I. -I../dist/../include -D_REENTRANT  -D_GNU_SOURCE -march=pentium2
-O3 -pipe ../dist/../env/env_recover.c
libtool: compile: cannot determine name of library object from `'
make: *** [env_recover.lo] Error 1

!!! ERROR: sys-libs/db-3.2.9-r7 failed.
!!! Function src_compile, Line 95, Exitcode 2
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[gentoo-user] Analog dail-up

2003-08-19 Thread Gwendolyn van der Linden
Hi all,

I want to use my analog modem (a combined Ethernet/modem PCMCIA card
from 3COM) to dial up to my ISP using a normal analog phone line, when
I'm on the road.  Is there a document that describes somewhere how I
set that up?  The installation guide only mentions ADSL.

Barring that, what packages do I need?

Thanks,
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Re: [gentoo-user] building a file server

2003-08-19 Thread Jason Stubbs
On Tuesday 19 August 2003 20:49, Tom Condon wrote:
(B> On Monday 18 August 2003 18:06, Jason Stubbs carved in
(B> > What do you mean exactly when you say that NT only came
(B> > with FTP on the servers? You mean the command line ftp
(B> > client? You mean an FTP server itself? Win2k/XP et al have
(B> > iis (cut version on the workstations) but my understanding
(B> > is that the file server would be on Gentoo and the Win box
(B> > would just be accessing the files.
(B>
(B> I mean that there was no way for a desktop at home running
(B> WinNT 4.0 to perform an ftp file transfer.  It wasn't
(B> available via the command line and the IE distributed with
(B> NT4.0 would not perform it either.  SOL for FTP!  That is
(B> what M$ told me and what all the documentation told me.  "Oh,
(B> well, we expect you to be connected to an NT Server that will
(B> provide that function for you." said the M$ help drone.
(B
(BLOL that's amazing! I must admit that I never tried to use command line ftp 
(Bwith NT4.0. NT4.0 distributed with IE2, right? Not that that's in anyway a 
(Buseful ftp client anyway. I think the NT I was using was SP3 on CD so it 
(Bmight have been IE1 on the original NT4.0. But really that's amazing! NT3.5 I 
(Bcan understand not having an ftp client, but 4.0? Heheh, I almost wanna 
(Binstall it just to see it for myself! Hmmm, nahhh. ;-)
(B
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(B(An enlightened) Jason
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Re: [gentoo-user] Analog dail-up

2003-08-19 Thread Jason Stubbs
> I want to use my analog modem (a combined Ethernet/modem PCMCIA card
> from 3COM) to dial up to my ISP using a normal analog phone line, when
> I'm on the road.  Is there a document that describes somewhere how I
> set that up?  The installation guide only mentions ADSL.

As long as your modem detects okay, it's very easy. Just emerge ppp, edit 
/etc/conf.d/net.ppp0 and then either run /etc/init.d/net.ppp0 start or 
rc-update add net.ppp0 default to your liking.

Regards,
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RE: [gentoo-user] Analog dail-up

2003-08-19 Thread Gwendolyn van der Linden
> As long as your modem detects okay, it's very easy. Just
> emerge ppp, edit
> /etc/conf.d/net.ppp0 and then either run
> /etc/init.d/net.ppp0 start or
> rc-update add net.ppp0 default to your liking.

I had a quick look at /etc/conf.d/net.ppp0, and it seems quite easy,
as you say.  I'll try it out tonite!

Thanks!

Gwendolyn.


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RE: [gentoo-user] Gentoo poll #4 results

2003-08-19 Thread Mark Knecht
>
> No, you're right.
>
> Personally, I've built from both; Stage 3 means you're up and running
> much faster. Over time your system will rebuild (especially the next
> time you run emerge rsync && emerge --deep --update world).
>
> Given that your system *will* be rebuilt eventually with all your spiffy
> optimizations, if bandwidth isn't a problem you're probably better off
> to just bring the huge .iso / stage tarball down and get on with it,
> even knowing you will duplicate a fair portion of that download over
> time as updates occur.
>
> On the other hand if bandwidth is a problem, and time isn't, or if
> you're building a small tight system (ie a server which doesn't need X
> or Office or other such huge beasties) then starting from stage 1 or 2
> will mean you download a lot less of what you don't need - at the cost
> of waiting a few days for the system to come up.
>
> AfC

Andrew,
   Thanks for the perspective. I appreciate it.

   One thing that might not apply to many people here today, but I hope will
apply to many in the future, is that (like me) many folks are not Linux
guru's or IT/sys admin types. I'm just a basic everyday user that is looking
for a more stable and better performing experience than the Redhat & SuSE
boxes I've built in the past. I still use Windows in my home recording
studio because I have to, but most of my day to day stuff is done on Linux
now, and has been for about 6-8 months. Mostly the experience has been
pretty good.

   I am attracted to Gentoo because it is a 'managed environment' (my terms)
in the sense that it has the portage/emerge system to help me keep things up
to date. It's pretty simple to use for a guy like me. Under Redhat I've had
a terrible time, not being a sys admin or programmer, building from CVS
source myself. Too many library dependencies and things to deal with by
hand, and terrible messages I don't understand when it doesn't work. RPMs
are a step forward, when you can find them for the right distribution, etc.

   Keep in mind that folks like me know nothing about the 'right'
optimizations to choose on day 1. I just wanted my system to come up, run
well, have some apps, and be stable to start with. Gentoo has done that very
well. If the system gets faster over time as new revisions of apps come out
and get rebuilt with new optimizations, that sounds like a great solution to
me.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Install with serial-ata disk

2003-08-19 Thread Yuri Enshin
Robert Arroyo wrote:

Hello,

I want to install gentoo on a computer with a serial-ata disk.
With the basic ivecd 1.4 my intel serial-ata controller is not detected.
I have read in the forums that stables kernels don't support many serial-ata 
controller, so my question is that what is the way i can use to intall gentoo 
in my box.

 

For intel SATA controller most MB's can be configured for 
'comaptibility' (not native) mode. In this mode, you can use one PATA 
port and two SATA (as primary and slave), and this mode comaptible with 
old drivers in kernel 2.4.x. On my comp (i865-based MB and  Maxtor 120GB 
SATA) livecd gentoo kernel (2.4.20) still unbootable, but I can boot 
with smp kernel and install gentoo, and then switch to 2.6 kernel.

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[gentoo-user] using Alt-F? to switch between consoles

2003-08-19 Thread Andrew Gaffney
I don't remember if it was this way with RedHat or Slackware, but with 
Gentoo, I can only use the left Alt key when switching between consoles. 
How do I make it so I can use either the left or the right Alt key?

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[gentoo-user] Two mailservers on the same machine?

2003-08-19 Thread Angel Gabriel
Is it possible to run more than one copy of postfix on the same machine?
I run mailman, and whenever there is a post to the machine, for a while
people sending mail inside my subnet, can't connect to it, because all
the processes are taken up. Adding more won't help because mailman will
just use them up. Any ideas people?
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Re: [gentoo-user] x eats my mem and cpu

2003-08-19 Thread Theofilos Intzoglou
Hi a_k_b!

  Another app that seemed to eat all my available memory was xchat
version 1.8.x that used gtk+1.2.x. After 2 or 3 hours of chatting in the
gentoo channel resulted in the X using about 256MB RAM (all of it that
is :-P) and 250MB swap making the system unstable and only usuable after
I pushed the magic button of reset :-) I have no problems with the 2.x
versions of xchat as it uses gtk2 and it seems that it works much better
that 1.2.x. If you want to try another multiprotocol IM client have a
look at ayttm(previously known as everybuddy).

On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 12:41:15 +0200
a_k_b <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > Same problems here, sure it's gaim, sure sylpheed-claws releases
> > it's memory without problems, but, when you have all your gtk+ apps
> > killed, why the memory isn't released??
> 
> well, i tested around for a while now and have to say that it really
> seems to be gaim. the less i chat with gaim, the later the problems
> occur. i tried to concentrate my activities to irssi the last few days
> and used gaim for only few hours. sometimes while sleeping (so no
> great activity on gaim)... and its okay, i didnt have to restart X
> again. the memory usage is about 22%, sometimes more, sometimes less.
> 
> but why is this all related to X's memory usage? shouldnt a program
> use its own "memory area"? or is this related to the framework it uses
> (gtk2), since the framework must use X directly instead of starting a
> viewable process?
> 
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Re: [gentoo-user] Error in mail.log

2003-08-19 Thread Yorkshire Dave
On Tue, 2003-08-19 at 11:02, Patrick Marquetecken wrote:
> Hi, 
> 
> I have this error in my mail.log. 
> what can i do to get this fixed?
> 
> Aug 19 11:24:11 rivendell spamd[2180]: Cannot open bayes_path 
> /home/istari/.spamassassin/bayes R/O:
> 
> The directory exists spamassassin is install also bogofilter
> 
> TIA
> Patrick

There's almost enough info there to solve it.

How are you calling spamassassin? Specifically, is it running site-wide
as your mail user or as user istari? 

What permissions do you have for the directory in the error message?

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Re: [gentoo-user] OpenOffice - slower than death

2003-08-19 Thread Theofilos Intzoglou
Hi rh!

I remember that if I try to start ooffice when my [EMAIL PROTECTED] program
is already running with nice 19 using all available cpu, ooffice took
about a minute to start giving me an empty window! Switching between
open windows would make the window of ooffice appear transparent/empty
and it was like it had frozen. However when I am not running
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ooffice starts within 10secs and all is running quite fast
on my Athlon XP 1700+. And yes I'm using the bin package as I don't have
the patience to wait for 12hours+ for a program to emerge just to see
that after 10 hours of compiling it stopped with an error(yes this
happened to me) :-) So I 'd suggest you checked if a particular program
that you run would cause ooffice to act weird.

On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 15:15:55 -0400
rh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi.
> 
> Just finished emerge'ing openoffice (24 hours later!!) and it is
> slower than death. It can take sometimes 5-10 seconds just to open the
> menus. Does anybody else have this problem? And did you manage to
> correct it? I thought compiling the source would be faster than the
> -bin files but I guess not.
> 
> 
> Thx.
> 
> R.
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Re: [gentoo-user] small installation

2003-08-19 Thread Lloyd D Budd
On Tue, 2003-08-19 at 04:08, Ewald Geschwinde wrote:
> I need it for a embedded system.
> Should run on a flash rom with 128 MB
> 
> It's OT but does anyone know any distribution who is good for embedded 
> handling??

I believe the intention of the Gentoo fork, www.Zynot.org is embedded
systems.



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Re: [gentoo-user] Live CD Bootscreen

2003-08-19 Thread Dhruba Bandopadhyay
Larry Augschöll wrote:
Yeah, I have seen the splash screens on the game CDs before.  The new
live cd is the same thing, but with a (in my opinion) better image.  It
looks really slick!  I want it now ;-)!


This sounds like a workaround: http://www.aichler.net/gentoo/bootsplash/
The work found on that website is what has been submitted on the bug 
report to which I linked earlier in the thread.

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Re: [gentoo-user] portage issues ..is it my fault?

2003-08-19 Thread Dhruba Bandopadhyay
Simon Mushi wrote:
Hi Dhruba,

Thanks for the responseumm the output of "emerge info" was as follows
Portage 2.0.48-r7 (default-x86-1.4, gcc-3.2.2, glibc-2.3.1-r4)
There was an update to portage today to Portage 2.0.49_pre18.  Try that 
update and do an emerge sync after the update.

And just to remind you ...the problem I was having a whole bunch of errors
starting with teh word aux_get() referring to some ebuils
Usually, this either means that on the developer end there have been 
some accidental typing errors or that the rsync process has corrupted 
the content of the ebuilds.  Either way, your choices are either to wait 
for someone to find these errors and fix them or to file bugs and notify 
them that these errors exist.  The second is usually faster.

HTH.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Two mailservers on the same machine?

2003-08-19 Thread Cal Evans
Yes, it is possibl if you run one of them on a non-standard port.  It's
not a good solutions to the problem.  A better solution would be to
throttle mailman so that won't be able to swamp your server.

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> Is it possible to run more than one copy of postfix on the same machine?
> I run mailman, and whenever there is a post to the machine, for a while
> people sending mail inside my subnet, can't connect to it, because all
> the processes are taken up. Adding more won't help because mailman will
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Re: [gentoo-user] OpenOffice - slower than death

2003-08-19 Thread Ulrich Plate
rh wrote:

> Unmerged openoffice and emerged openoffice-bin. Same thing. Slow,
> slow, slow. 

Running any distributed computing stuff by any chance? Zetagrid? That's
what makes my Openoffice grind almost to a halt. 

Cheers
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[gentoo-user] emerge ~arch portage _highly_ recommended?

2003-08-19 Thread Lloyd D Budd
Why does 'emerge sync' _highly_ recommend update portage now when it is
masked?


>>> Updating Portage cache...  ...done!
 
 
 * An update to portage is available. It is _highly_ recommended
 * that you update portage now, before any other packages are updated.
 * Please do so and then update ALL of your configuration files.
 
fooll portage # emerge portage
Calculating dependencies
!!! all ebuilds that could satisfy "portage" have been masked.
 
!!! Error calculating dependencies. Please correct.

fooll portage # emerge info
Portage 2.0.48-r5 (default-ppc-1.4, gcc-3.2.3, glibc-2.3.2-r1)
=
System uname: 2.4.21-ppc-r2 ppc
GENTOO_MIRRORS="http://csociety-ftp.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/gentoo/
ftp://cs.ubishops.ca/pub/gentoo ftp://gentoo.noved.org/
http://gentoo.seren.com/gentoo http://adelie.polymtl.ca/";
CONFIG_PROTECT="/etc /var/qmail/control /usr/share/config
/usr/kde/2/share/config /usr/kde/3/share/config /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb"
CONFIG_PROTECT_MASK="/etc/gconf /etc/env.d"
PORTDIR="/usr/portage"
DISTDIR="/usr/portage/distfiles"
PKGDIR="/usr/portage/packages"
PORTAGE_TMPDIR="/var/tmp"
PORTDIR_OVERLAY=""
USE="oss dvd xv libwww jpeg nls mitshm gif qt png truetype ppc cups
foomaticdb gnome-libs gtkhtml gdbm berkdb slang readline bonobo guile
sdl gpm tcpd pam ssl perl python esd imlib gtk motif opengl mozilla cdr
X gtk2 gnome doc spell pda alsa oggvorbis -kde"
COMPILER="gcc3"
CHOST="powerpc-unknown-linux-gnu"
CFLAGS="-O2 -pipe"
CXXFLAGS="-O2 -pipe"
ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="ppc"
MAKEOPTS="-j2"
AUTOCLEAN="yes"
SYNC="rsync://rsync.gentoo.org/gentoo-portage"
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Re: [gentoo-user] OpenOffice - slower than death

2003-08-19 Thread rh
On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 17:21:47 +0300
Theofilos Intzoglou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi rh!
> 
> I remember that if I try to start ooffice when my [EMAIL PROTECTED] program
> is already running with nice 19 using all available cpu, ooffice took
> about a minute to start giving me an empty window! Switching between
> open windows would make the window of ooffice appear transparent/empty
> and it was like it had frozen. However when I am not running
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] ooffice starts within 10secs and all is running quite fast
> on my Athlon XP 1700+. And yes I'm using the bin package as I don't have
> the patience to wait for 12hours+ for a program to emerge just to see
> that after 10 hours of compiling it stopped with an error(yes this
> happened to me) :-) So I 'd suggest you checked if a particular program
> that you run would cause ooffice to act weird.
> 


Well, that was exactly the problem...I had setiathome running in the background and as 
soon as I killed it , openoffice works fine. I wish I had of discovered this before I 
un-emerged openoffice and emerged openoffice-bin. Is there a particular setting I can 
have setiathome running and still get good response from openoffice?



> On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 15:15:55 -0400
> rh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Hi.
> > 
> > Just finished emerge'ing openoffice (24 hours later!!) and it is
> > slower than death. It can take sometimes 5-10 seconds just to open the
> > menus. Does anybody else have this problem? And did you manage to
> > correct it? I thought compiling the source would be faster than the
> > -bin files but I guess not.
> > 
> > 
> > Thx.
> > 
> > R.
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RE: [gentoo-user] using Alt-F? to switch between consoles

2003-08-19 Thread Mark Knecht
>
>
> I don't remember if it was this way with RedHat or Slackware, but with
> Gentoo, I can only use the left Alt key when switching between consoles.
> How do I make it so I can use either the left or the right Alt key?
>

For me it's the same under Redhat 9. Both CTRL keys work, but only the left
ALT key.

I have suspected that this is based on which keyboard I choose when I
configure X, but I don't know that.

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Re: [gentoo-user] x eats my mem and cpu

2003-08-19 Thread Javier Villavicencio
On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 13:55:19 +0200
a_k_b <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> mh sure... i understand this. but cant there be kind of prevention? i think if its 
> so easy to do those things with xfree, there should be something like an 
> automatically deallocation of the memory the app used. would be much better to 
> prevent this... and give an option to NOT to do, if a program must remain in memory.
> 
>   arne
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That kind of request should be at the xfree-devel mailing list (I guess :+), but 
personally I prefer coders that take care of their code rather than "systems" that 
care of the code of programmers.

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Re: [gentoo-user] using Alt-F? to switch between consoles

2003-08-19 Thread Andrew Gaffney
Mark Knecht wrote:
I don't remember if it was this way with RedHat or Slackware, but with
Gentoo, I can only use the left Alt key when switching between consoles.
How do I make it so I can use either the left or the right Alt key?
>
For me it's the same under Redhat 9. Both CTRL keys work, but only the left
ALT key.
I have suspected that this is based on which keyboard I choose when I
configure X, but I don't know that.
It does it in the console too. I have virtual consoles on 1-10. I run X 
on 11. Its annoying to have to use both hands to switch to X.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel 2.6 oddities

2003-08-19 Thread Chris I
On 2003.08.19 06:26, Ulrich Plate wrote:
Chris I wrote:

> > I've seen the same when switching from a 2.4 to 2.5 kernel.  I
guess
> > something in the new mouse input system made things more
sensitive.
> > I had to turn sensitivity and acceleration all the way down in the
> > gnome config.  Maybe some playing with xset(1) will help?
>
> Try using one of those new logitech mice in 800dpi mode. It seems
like
> a good idea, but i dont even _see_ the mouse as it flies across the
> screen ;)
I actually like it the way it is now, and the same is true for my PS/2
mouse on the desktop since I converted to 2.6. Much smoother than
before, not too fast at all. :) I was merely curious what was causing
this.
Agreed. when in 400dpi mode the mouse is much better ever.

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[gentoo-user] lirc with kernel 2.6.0 test3

2003-08-19 Thread Jan Meier
Hello,
was anybody able to compile the lirc module with kernel 2.6 test3?
I get many error messages? What can i do?
Bye 
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Re: [gentoo-user] emerge ~arch portage _highly_ recommended?

2003-08-19 Thread Mike Williams
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On Tuesday 19 August 2003 18:00, Lloyd D Budd wrote:
> Why does 'emerge sync' _highly_ recommend update portage now when it is
> masked?

Because portage IS gentoo.
Bit of an extra failsafe to getting people to upgrade. The continued evolution 
of ebuilds depends on people upgrading portage.

> fooll portage # emerge portage
> Calculating dependencies
> !!! all ebuilds that could satisfy "portage" have been masked.
>  
> !!! Error calculating dependencies. Please correct.

This is worrying, you should get portage-2.0.48-r5 I believe.
What does a 'emerge world -Dup' do?
If I even get any odd errors like this I wait an hour or so and try again.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Install with serial-ata disk

2003-08-19 Thread Nicolas STURMEL
Yuri Enshin wrote:
> For intel SATA controller most MB's can be configured for
> 'comaptibility' (not native) mode. In this mode, you can use one PATA
> port and two SATA (as primary and slave), and this mode comaptible with
> old drivers in kernel 2.4.x. On my comp (i865-based MB and  Maxtor 120GB
> SATA) livecd gentoo kernel (2.4.20) still unbootable, but I can boot
> with smp kernel and install gentoo, and then switch to 2.6 kernel.

Are you saying that you managed to use a serial ATA disk with the ICH5
controller and a 2.6.0 kernel ?
What options did you activate in the kernel config ?
Could you also give a hdparm output to see what performances serial ATA
can achieve ?

Because, I am really interested with serial ATA but I have to be sure
about serial ATA compatibility between my I865ep motherboard ( Abit
IS7-E ) and the linux kernel.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Error in mail.log

2003-08-19 Thread Patrick Marquetecken
On 19 Aug 2003 15:35:12 +0100
Yorkshire Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Tue, 2003-08-19 at 11:02, Patrick Marquetecken wrote:
> > Hi, 
> > 
> > I have this error in my mail.log. 
> > what can i do to get this fixed?
> > 
> > Aug 19 11:24:11 rivendell spamd[2180]: Cannot open bayes_path 
> > /home/istari/.spamassassin/bayes R/O:
> > 
> > The directory exists spamassassin is install also bogofilter
> > 
> > TIA
> > Patrick
> 
> There's almost enough info there to solve it.
> 
> How are you calling spamassassin? Specifically, is it running site-wide
> as your mail user or as user istari? 
its called from procmail.rc in the mail users (istari) home folder.
#Spam
:0fw
| spamc
 
:0:
* ^X-Spam-Status: Yes
inbox/Spam/.


> 
> What permissions do you have for the directory in the error message?
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[gentoo-user] iptables 1.2.8 problem

2003-08-19 Thread downtime null
apparently iptables was upgraded in my last 'emerge -u world' or
something. anyway, something has changed and a command that used to
work doesn't now. the command was :

# iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -j SNAT -o eth0 --to 10.1.0.27

now it says "iptables: Invalid argument"

so i discovered that '--to' is no longer valid (it's not in the man
page if it is). when i remove '--to 10.1.0.27' iptables says "iptables
v1.2.8: You must specify --to-source". i modified the command to be :

# iptables -vv -t nat -A POSTROUTING -j SNAT -o eth0 --to-source 10.1.0.27

i don't know what i'm doing wrong, but iptables replies with :

SNAT  all opt -- in * out eth0  0.0.0.0/0  -> 0.0.0.0/0  to:10.1.0.27
libiptc v1.2.8.  5 entries, 784 bytes.
Table `nat'
Hooks: pre/in/fwd/out/post = 0/0/0/460/148
Underflows: pre/in/fwd/out/post = 0/0/0/460/312
Entry 0 (0):
SRC IP: 0.0.0.0/0.0.0.0
DST IP: 0.0.0.0/0.0.0.0
Interface: `'/to `'/
Protocol: 0
Flags: 00
Invflags: 00
Counters: 2735 packets, 356607 bytes
Cache: 
Target name: `' [36]
verdict=NF_ACCEPT

Entry 1 (148):
SRC IP: 0.0.0.0/0.0.0.0
DST IP: 0.0.0.0/0.0.0.0
Interface: `'/to `eth0'/X...
Protocol: 0
Flags: 00
Invflags: 00
Counters: 0 packets, 0 bytes
Cache: 4008 UNKNOWN IP_IF_OUT
Target name: `SNAT' [52]

Entry 2 (312):
SRC IP: 0.0.0.0/0.0.0.0
DST IP: 0.0.0.0/0.0.0.0
Interface: `'/to `'/
Protocol: 0
Flags: 00
Invflags: 00
Counters: 5650 packets, 364518 bytes
Cache: 
Target name: `' [36]
verdict=NF_ACCEPT

Entry 3 (460):
SRC IP: 0.0.0.0/0.0.0.0
DST IP: 0.0.0.0/0.0.0.0
Interface: `'/to `'/
Protocol: 0
Flags: 00
Invflags: 00
Counters: 5646 packets, 364237 bytes
Cache: 
Target name: `' [36]
verdict=NF_ACCEPT

Entry 4 (608):
SRC IP: 0.0.0.0/0.0.0.0
DST IP: 0.0.0.0/0.0.0.0
Interface: `'/to `'/
Protocol: 0
Flags: 00
Invflags: 00
Counters: 0 packets, 0 bytes
Cache: 
Target name: `ERROR' [64]
error=`ERROR'

iptables: Invalid argument

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[gentoo-user] notebook brightness with 2.6

2003-08-19 Thread Chris I
Okay, this is a fairly recent issue, it has not effected me with 2.4.22 
ac-sources kernels, nor with some older 2.6-test kernels. I'm almost 
sure that this started with the bk5 patch on 2.6-test3 (i previously 
used it without the updated bk patches).

The Issue: my notebook, like most, has brightness keys on the keyboard. 
TO use them, one must hold the Fn key, and press the brightness keys. 
no big deal, it worked, until bk5. Now the system freezes and is 
unresponsive to pings the moment i try to change the screen brightness.

When switching to the bk5 update, I had to enable APIC support, and io-
apic support as ACPI is now dependant on them. THis is the only 
configuration change in the kernel since the initial 2.6-test3 (which 
worked). Is it possible that some acpi update (i doubt apic itself 
would be responsible) is causing this? Last time i checked, the 
brightness keys did not send a keycode and were acted on in the bios, 
but i never checked to see if they sent acpi events. 
Does anybody have any ideas what might be causing this? or better yet, 
how to resolve?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Error in mail.log

2003-08-19 Thread Mike Arrison
On Tue, Aug 19, 2003 at 12:02:06PM +0200, Patrick Marquetecken wrote:
> Hi, 
> 
> I have this error in my mail.log. 
> what can i do to get this fixed?
> 
> Aug 19 11:24:11 rivendell spamd[2180]: Cannot open bayes_path 
> /home/istari/.spamassassin/bayes R/O:
> 
> The directory exists spamassassin is install also bogofilter

Looks like your trying to run the bayesian filtering features of
SpamAssassin without it being setup correctly.  If you also use
bogofilter (me too, good call), then I suggest you disable SA's bayesian
filtering.  Try adding the following line to
/etc/mail/spamassassin/local.cf:

use_bayes 0

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[gentoo-user] dma not enabled

2003-08-19 Thread Pupeno
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When I start my computer I always get this message:
**
* Warning: The dma on your hard drive is turned off. *
* This may really slow down the fsck process.*
**
How do I enable DMA ?
Thanks.
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[gentoo-user] Found an MS-DOS partition table, not a dynamic disk.

2003-08-19 Thread Pupeno
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When I boot up I get this, is this an error ? what's wrong ? what does it mean 
? how do I solve it ?
Partition check:
 /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0:<7>ldm_validate_partition_table(): Found an 
MS-DOS partition table, not a dynamic disk.
 p1 p2 p3 < p5 p6 >
 /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target1/lun0:<7>ldm_validate_partition_table(): Found an 
MS-DOS partition table, not a dynamic disk.
 p1 p2 < p5 p6 p7 p8 p9 >

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Re: [gentoo-user] iptables 1.2.8 problem

2003-08-19 Thread Fred Clausen
downtime null wrote:

apparently iptables was upgraded in my last 'emerge -u world' or
something. anyway, something has changed and a command that used to
work doesn't now. the command was :
# iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -j SNAT -o eth0 --to 10.1.0.27

now it says "iptables: Invalid argument"

so i discovered that '--to' is no longer valid (it's not in the man
page if it is). when i remove '--to 10.1.0.27' iptables says "iptables
v1.2.8: You must specify --to-source". i modified the command to be :
# iptables -vv -t nat -A POSTROUTING -j SNAT -o eth0 --to-source 10.1.0.27

i don't know what i'm doing wrong, but iptables replies with :

SNAT  all opt -- in * out eth0  0.0.0.0/0  -> 0.0.0.0/0  to:10.1.0.27
libiptc v1.2.8.  5 entries, 784 bytes.
Table `nat'
Hooks: pre/in/fwd/out/post = 0/0/0/460/148
Underflows: pre/in/fwd/out/post = 0/0/0/460/312
Entry 0 (0):
SRC IP: 0.0.0.0/0.0.0.0
DST IP: 0.0.0.0/0.0.0.0
Interface: `'/to `'/
Protocol: 0
Flags: 00
Invflags: 00
Counters: 2735 packets, 356607 bytes
Cache: 
Target name: `' [36]
verdict=NF_ACCEPT
Entry 1 (148):
SRC IP: 0.0.0.0/0.0.0.0
DST IP: 0.0.0.0/0.0.0.0
Interface: `'/to `eth0'/X...
Protocol: 0
Flags: 00
Invflags: 00
Counters: 0 packets, 0 bytes
Cache: 4008 UNKNOWN IP_IF_OUT
Target name: `SNAT' [52]
Entry 2 (312):
SRC IP: 0.0.0.0/0.0.0.0
DST IP: 0.0.0.0/0.0.0.0
Interface: `'/to `'/
Protocol: 0
Flags: 00
Invflags: 00
Counters: 5650 packets, 364518 bytes
Cache: 
Target name: `' [36]
verdict=NF_ACCEPT
Entry 3 (460):
SRC IP: 0.0.0.0/0.0.0.0
DST IP: 0.0.0.0/0.0.0.0
Interface: `'/to `'/
Protocol: 0
Flags: 00
Invflags: 00
Counters: 5646 packets, 364237 bytes
Cache: 
Target name: `' [36]
verdict=NF_ACCEPT
Entry 4 (608):
SRC IP: 0.0.0.0/0.0.0.0
DST IP: 0.0.0.0/0.0.0.0
Interface: `'/to `'/
Protocol: 0
Flags: 00
Invflags: 00
Counters: 0 packets, 0 bytes
Cache: 
Target name: `ERROR' [64]
error=`ERROR'
iptables: Invalid argument

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I read this warning was a result of some patches placed on the 2.4.20-r6 
kernel(saw this when I emerged the -r6 kernel), and the solution was to 
re-emerge iptables.

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Re: [gentoo-user] emerge ~arch portage _highly_ recommended?

2003-08-19 Thread Lloyd D Budd
On Tue, 2003-08-19 at 13:49, Mike Williams wrote:
> > fooll portage # emerge portage
> > Calculating dependencies
> > !!! all ebuilds that could satisfy "portage" have been masked.
> >  
> > !!! Error calculating dependencies. Please correct.
> 
> This is worrying, you should get portage-2.0.48-r5 I believe.
> What does a 'emerge world -Dup' do?
> If I even get any odd errors like this I wait an hour or so and try again.

Completely my error with /etc/portage/package.mask.  Correctly, working
as expected now.

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Re: [gentoo-user] dma not enabled

2003-08-19 Thread Robert Young
/dev/hdX it your device that wish to enable dma on.

do a hdparm -i /dev/hdX to be sure that you can enable dma.

e.g.:

angus root # hdparm -i /dev/hda

/dev/hda:

 Model=QUANTUM BIGFOOT TS12.7A, FwRev=A21.0G00, SerialNo=381906129356
 Config={ HardSect NotMFM HdSw>15uSec Fixed DTR>10Mbs }
 RawCHS=16383/16/63, TrkSize=32256, SectSize=21298, ECCbytes=4
 BuffType=DualPortCache, BuffSize=418kB, MaxMultSect=16, MultSect=off
 CurCHS=16383/16/63, CurSects=16514064, LBA=yes, LBAsects=25075008
 IORDY=on/off, tPIO={min:120,w/IORDY:120}, tDMA={min:120,rec:120}
 PIO modes:  pio0 pio1 pio2 pio3 pio4
 DMA modes:  sdma0 sdma1 sdma2 mdma0 mdma1 mdma2
 UDMA modes: udma0 udma1 *udma2
 AdvancedPM=no WriteCache=enabled
 Drive conforms to: ATA/ATAPI-4 T13 1153D revision 15:  1 2 3 4

 * signifies the current active mode

is my drive.

 DMA modes:  sdma0 sdma1 sdma2 mdma0 mdma1 mdma2

shows me that the dive supports dma.

 UDMA modes: udma0 udma1 *udma2

Shows me that it actually supports UDMA and is using udma2 mode.




hdparm -d 1 /dev/hdX
enables DMA)
hdparm -d1 -A1 -m16 -u1 -a64 /dev/hdX
enables DMA and other safe performance-enhancing options)
hdparm -X66 /dev/hdX
force-enables Ultra-DMA -- dangerous -- may cause some drives to mess
up)


Rob

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> * This may really slow down the fsck process.*
> **
> How do I enable DMA ?
> Thanks.
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[gentoo-user] wvdial and username/password

2003-08-19 Thread Meka[ni]
Is there anyone who uses wvdial and doesn't have to write username and 
password "by hand"
in /etc/ppp/{pap,chap}-secrets? I've tried everything I could remeber and read from man
pages, but nothing helps. Here is my wvdial.conf:


[Dialer Defaults]
Modem = /dev/ttyS2
Baud = 115200
Init1 = ATZ
Init2 = ATX3 Q0 V1 E1 S0=0 &C1 &D2 +FCLASS=0 M1L0
ISDN = 0
Modem Type = Analog Modem
Phone = 487
Username = xxx
Password = yyy
Dial Command = ATDP
Auto Reconnect = 0
Auto DNS = 1
Idle Seconds = 300
Dial Attemts = 10
Stupid Mode = 1
New PPPD = 1
Compuserve = 0
ISDN = 0

and here is /etc/ppp/peers/wvdial:

noauth
name wvdial
usepeerdns


and /etc/ppp/peers/wvdial-pipe:

noauth
name wvdial

plugin passwordfd.so

defaultroute
replacedefaultroute


I've had a problem like that but with resolv.conf. It wasn't in /etc but in /etc/ppp. 
It
crossed my mind that maybe it's the same problem, but I don't know where wvdial stores
username and password. Help please. I know that this can be done (used SuSE and it 
worked
there). Thanx a lot



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Re: [gentoo-user] OpenOffice - slower than death

2003-08-19 Thread Theofilos Intzoglou
Hi rh!

On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 13:15:06 -0400
rh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Well, that was exactly the problem...I had setiathome running in the
> background and as soon as I killed it , openoffice works fine. I wish
> I had of discovered this before I un-emerged openoffice and emerged
> openoffice-bin. Is there a particular setting I can have setiathome
> running and still get good response from openoffice?
> 

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running it and start it again after I have finished all my work with
ooffice. However if you find a nice level that ooffice works just fine
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Re: [gentoo-user] Found an MS-DOS partition table, not a dynamic disk.

2003-08-19 Thread Robert Young
What is the history of these drives?

I would assume this has to do with your other post. (If the DMA warning is from
the same computer)

Pupeno wrote:

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> ? how do I solve it ?
> Partition check:
>  /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0:<7>ldm_validate_partition_table(): Found an
> MS-DOS partition table, not a dynamic disk.
>  p1 p2 p3 < p5 p6 >
>  /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target1/lun0:<7>ldm_validate_partition_table(): Found an
> MS-DOS partition table, not a dynamic disk.
>  p1 p2 < p5 p6 p7 p8 p9 >
>
> Thanks.
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Re: [gentoo-user] iptables 1.2.8 problem

2003-08-19 Thread downtime null
i emerged iptables again ('emerge -p iptabes' showed that it was't
installed), mv the new init script over and restarted it. i'm still
getting the same error.

then, on kind of a fluke, i added the path to the executable on the
command line, and it accepts the command.

go figure.

> I read this warning was a result of some patches placed on the 2.4.20-r6 
> kernel(saw this when I emerged the -r6 kernel), and the solution was to 
> re-emerge iptables.
> 
> Fred Clausen
> 
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[gentoo-user] shoot the bullet in your foot :)

2003-08-19 Thread Spundun Bhatt
heh
I have a "small" question. I have removed a lot of files using rm -R, Is
there any mecahnism in reiserfs to recover the removed files?
Thanx
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RE: [gentoo-user] iptables 1.2.8 problem

2003-08-19 Thread Jeffrey Smelser
sounds to me like you got two versions of iptables running.. which iptables to find 
it. Hopefully its something you did and not a rootkit...

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i emerged iptables again ('emerge -p iptabes' showed that it was't
installed), mv the new init script over and restarted it. i'm still
getting the same error.

then, on kind of a fluke, i added the path to the executable on the
command line, and it accepts the command.

go figure.

> I read this warning was a result of some patches placed on the 2.4.20-r6 
> kernel(saw this when I emerged the -r6 kernel), and the solution was to 
> re-emerge iptables.
> 
> Fred Clausen
> 
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Re: [gentoo-user] shoot the bullet in your foot :)

2003-08-19 Thread Kai Lindenberg
Am Dienstag, 19. August 2003 20:56 schrieb Spundun Bhatt:
> heh
> I have a "small" question. I have removed a lot of files using rm
> -R, Is there any mecahnism in reiserfs to recover the removed
> files? Thanx

Try the "rebuild-tree" option of reiserfsck, but this can corrupt 
other files, so backup your disk as it is now.

Kai



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Re: [gentoo-user] Installing Gentoo 1.4 on a WiFi laptop

2003-08-19 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
Martin LORANG wrote:
I boot the Gentoo 1.4 install CD with : gentoo dokeymap dopcmcia
Then : modprobe orinico_cs
The modules are loaded : checked with lsmod.
The net-setup eth0 fails because I have no eth0 device !
Do you have a wlan0? My laptop (IBM T30) shows eth0 for the onboard 
ethernet and wlan0 for the wireless card...

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[gentoo-user] transcode

2003-08-19 Thread plord
Hi All,

I've emerge'd transcode but it isn't the latest version.  I notice that 
the gentoo cvs has a later ebuild file.

Whats the right way to get transcode 0.6.8 emerge'd ? 

Thanks,

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Re: [gentoo-user] dma not enabled

2003-08-19 Thread Alec Berryman
Additionally, there is a hdparm script to do this on boot -
/etc/init.d/hdparm.

On Tue, 2003-08-19 at 13:21, Robert Young wrote:
> /dev/hdX it your device that wish to enable dma on.
> 
> do a hdparm -i /dev/hdX to be sure that you can enable dma.
> 
> e.g.:
> 
> angus root # hdparm -i /dev/hda
> 
> /dev/hda:
> 
>  Model=QUANTUM BIGFOOT TS12.7A, FwRev=A21.0G00, SerialNo=381906129356
>  Config={ HardSect NotMFM HdSw>15uSec Fixed DTR>10Mbs }
>  RawCHS=16383/16/63, TrkSize=32256, SectSize=21298, ECCbytes=4
>  BuffType=DualPortCache, BuffSize=418kB, MaxMultSect=16, MultSect=off
>  CurCHS=16383/16/63, CurSects=16514064, LBA=yes, LBAsects=25075008
>  IORDY=on/off, tPIO={min:120,w/IORDY:120}, tDMA={min:120,rec:120}
>  PIO modes:  pio0 pio1 pio2 pio3 pio4
>  DMA modes:  sdma0 sdma1 sdma2 mdma0 mdma1 mdma2
>  UDMA modes: udma0 udma1 *udma2
>  AdvancedPM=no WriteCache=enabled
>  Drive conforms to: ATA/ATAPI-4 T13 1153D revision 15:  1 2 3 4
> 
>  * signifies the current active mode
> 
> is my drive.
> 
>  DMA modes:  sdma0 sdma1 sdma2 mdma0 mdma1 mdma2
> 
> shows me that the dive supports dma.
> 
>  UDMA modes: udma0 udma1 *udma2
> 
> Shows me that it actually supports UDMA and is using udma2 mode.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> hdparm -d 1 /dev/hdX
> enables DMA)
> hdparm -d1 -A1 -m16 -u1 -a64 /dev/hdX
> enables DMA and other safe performance-enhancing options)
> hdparm -X66 /dev/hdX
> force-enables Ultra-DMA -- dangerous -- may cause some drives to mess
> up)
> 
> 
> Rob
> 
> Pupeno wrote:
> 
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> > **
> > * Warning: The dma on your hard drive is turned off. *
> > * This may really slow down the fsck process.*
> > **
> > How do I enable DMA ?
> > Thanks.
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Re: [gentoo-user] dma not enabled

2003-08-19 Thread Pupeno
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On Tuesday 19 August 2003 15:21, Robert Young wrote:
> /dev/hdX it your device that wish to enable dma on.
>
> do a hdparm -i /dev/hdX to be sure that you can enable dma.
>
> e.g.:
>
> angus root # hdparm -i /dev/hda
>
> /dev/hda:
>
>  Model=QUANTUM BIGFOOT TS12.7A, FwRev=A21.0G00, SerialNo=381906129356
>  Config={ HardSect NotMFM HdSw>15uSec Fixed DTR>10Mbs }
>  RawCHS=16383/16/63, TrkSize=32256, SectSize=21298, ECCbytes=4
>  BuffType=DualPortCache, BuffSize=418kB, MaxMultSect=16, MultSect=off
>  CurCHS=16383/16/63, CurSects=16514064, LBA=yes, LBAsects=25075008
>  IORDY=on/off, tPIO={min:120,w/IORDY:120}, tDMA={min:120,rec:120}
>  PIO modes:  pio0 pio1 pio2 pio3 pio4
>  DMA modes:  sdma0 sdma1 sdma2 mdma0 mdma1 mdma2
>  UDMA modes: udma0 udma1 *udma2
>  AdvancedPM=no WriteCache=enabled
>  Drive conforms to: ATA/ATAPI-4 T13 1153D revision 15:  1 2 3 4
>
>  * signifies the current active mode
>
> is my drive.
>
>  DMA modes:  sdma0 sdma1 sdma2 mdma0 mdma1 mdma2
>
> shows me that the dive supports dma.
>
>  UDMA modes: udma0 udma1 *udma2
>
> Shows me that it actually supports UDMA and is using udma2 mode.

It seems it supports DMA and UDMA and that iti is enabled:

# hdparm -i /dev/hda
[...]
 DMA modes:  mdma0 mdma1 mdma2
 UDMA modes: udma0 udma1 udma2 udma3 udma4 *udma5
[...]

and

# hdparm -i /dev/hdb
[...]
 DMA modes:  mdma0 mdma1 mdma2
 UDMA modes: udma0 udma1 udma2 udma3 udma4 *udma5
[...]

So, what may be wrong then ? (I didn't enable anything on the HDs yet)

> hdparm -d 1 /dev/hdX
> enables DMA)
> hdparm -d1 -A1 -m16 -u1 -a64 /dev/hdX
> enables DMA and other safe performance-enhancing options)
> hdparm -X66 /dev/hdX
> force-enables Ultra-DMA -- dangerous -- may cause some drives to mess
> up)
>
>
> Rob
>
> Pupeno wrote:
> > When I start my computer I always get this message:
> > **
> > * Warning: The dma on your hard drive is turned off. *
> > * This may really slow down the fsck process.*
> > **
> > How do I enable DMA ?
> > Thanks.

Thanks.
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Re: [gentoo-user] dma not enabled

2003-08-19 Thread Robert Young


Pupeno wrote:

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> On Tuesday 19 August 2003 15:21, Robert Young wrote:
> > /dev/hdX it your device that wish to enable dma on.
> >
> > do a hdparm -i /dev/hdX to be sure that you can enable dma.
> >
> > e.g.:
> >
> > angus root # hdparm -i /dev/hda
> >
> > /dev/hda:
> >
> >  Model=QUANTUM BIGFOOT TS12.7A, FwRev=A21.0G00, SerialNo=381906129356
> >  Config={ HardSect NotMFM HdSw>15uSec Fixed DTR>10Mbs }
> >  RawCHS=16383/16/63, TrkSize=32256, SectSize=21298, ECCbytes=4
> >  BuffType=DualPortCache, BuffSize=418kB, MaxMultSect=16, MultSect=off
> >  CurCHS=16383/16/63, CurSects=16514064, LBA=yes, LBAsects=25075008
> >  IORDY=on/off, tPIO={min:120,w/IORDY:120}, tDMA={min:120,rec:120}
> >  PIO modes:  pio0 pio1 pio2 pio3 pio4
> >  DMA modes:  sdma0 sdma1 sdma2 mdma0 mdma1 mdma2
> >  UDMA modes: udma0 udma1 *udma2
> >  AdvancedPM=no WriteCache=enabled
> >  Drive conforms to: ATA/ATAPI-4 T13 1153D revision 15:  1 2 3 4
> >
> >  * signifies the current active mode
> >
> > is my drive.
> >
> >  DMA modes:  sdma0 sdma1 sdma2 mdma0 mdma1 mdma2
> >
> > shows me that the dive supports dma.
> >
> >  UDMA modes: udma0 udma1 *udma2
> >
> > Shows me that it actually supports UDMA and is using udma2 mode.
>
> It seems it supports DMA and UDMA and that iti is enabled:
>
> # hdparm -i /dev/hda
> [...]
>  DMA modes:  mdma0 mdma1 mdma2
>  UDMA modes: udma0 udma1 udma2 udma3 udma4 *udma5
> [...]
>
> and
>
> # hdparm -i /dev/hdb
> [...]
>  DMA modes:  mdma0 mdma1 mdma2
>  UDMA modes: udma0 udma1 udma2 udma3 udma4 *udma5
> [...]
>

type
hdparm /dev/hdb
and
hdparm /dev/hda

for
hdparm /dev/hda
I got

/dev/hda:
 multcount=  0 (off)
 IO_support   =  1 (32-bit)
 unmaskirq=  1 (on)
 using_dma=  1 (on)
 keepsettings =  0 (off)
 readonly =  0 (off)
 readahead=  8 (on)
 geometry = 1560/255/63, sectors = 25075008, start = 0
.
.
.
.


 using_dma=  1 (on)
shows that dma is on. What does yours show you?
angus root #



>
> So, what may be wrong then ? (I didn't enable anything on the HDs yet)
>
> > hdparm -d 1 /dev/hdX
> > enables DMA)
> > hdparm -d1 -A1 -m16 -u1 -a64 /dev/hdX
> > enables DMA and other safe performance-enhancing options)
> > hdparm -X66 /dev/hdX
> > force-enables Ultra-DMA -- dangerous -- may cause some drives to mess
> > up)
> >
> >
> > Rob
> >
> > Pupeno wrote:
> > > When I start my computer I always get this message:
> > > **
> > > * Warning: The dma on your hard drive is turned off. *
> > > * This may really slow down the fsck process.*
> > > **
> > > How do I enable DMA ?
> > > Thanks.
>
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Re: [gentoo-user] dma not enabled

2003-08-19 Thread Nicolas STURMEL
Pupeno wrote:

> So, what may be wrong then ? (I didn't enable anything on the HDs yet)
> 

Perhaps did you mis-config your kernel.
Look in IDE/ATAPI options to see if you enabled the driver corresponding
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Re: [gentoo-user] transcode

2003-08-19 Thread Mike Williams
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>
> I've emerge'd transcode but it isn't the latest version.  I notice that
> the gentoo cvs has a later ebuild file.
>
> Whats the right way to get transcode 0.6.8 emerge'd ?

transcode 0.6.8 is currently marked as 'unstable', if you really want/need it 
installed do
ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~x86" emerge transcode
or ~ppc

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Re: [gentoo-user] dma not enabled

2003-08-19 Thread Tom Wesley
On Tuesday 19 August 2003 20:48, Nicolas STURMEL wrote:
> Pupeno wrote:
> > So, what may be wrong then ? (I didn't enable anything on the HDs yet)
>
> Perhaps did you mis-config your kernel.
> Look in IDE/ATAPI options to see if you enabled the driver corresponding
> to your chipset.

This is likely to be the case - it certainly was with me.  Give the right 
information the kernel will often activate dma during detection of the drive.  
Even using the hdparm init script will not remove the warning you are seeing, 
as the localmount script is executed before hdparm.


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Re: [gentoo-user] dma not enabled

2003-08-19 Thread brett holcomb
Check out man hdparam.  You use that to turn it on.

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Re: [gentoo-user] dma not enabled

2003-08-19 Thread Tom Wesley
On Tuesday 19 August 2003 20:46, brett holcomb wrote:
> Check out man hdparam.  You use that to turn it on.
>
> On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 11:59:26 -0300
>
>   Pupeno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> >When I start my computer I always get this message:
> >**
> >* Warning: The dma on your hard drive is turned off. *
> >* This may really slow down the fsck process.*
> >**
> >How do I enable DMA ?
> >Thanks.
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IMO, this is the wrong advice, as it won't remove the message without 
re-ordering the boot process, adjusting the kernel, if possible, to activate 
DMA during drive detection would however, see my other post.

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Re: [gentoo-user] dma not enabled

2003-08-19 Thread brett holcomb
Well, hdparam is used (at least that's what I used) and 
the man page is a good place to start reading about it. 
It gave me enough info to see what needed to be done and 
even be able to ask questions.  Yes, it isn't a one step 
process but a knowledge of the man page is a could place 
to start.  I used hdparam from the command line to figure 
out info about my drive and turn it on.

On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 20:58:03 +0100
 Tom Wesley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Tuesday 19 August 2003 20:46, brett holcomb wrote:
Check out man hdparam.  You use that to turn it on.

On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 11:59:26 -0300

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>When I start my computer I always get this message:
>**
>* Warning: The dma on your hard drive is turned off. *
>* This may really slow down the fsck process.*
>**
>How do I enable DMA ?
>Thanks.
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IMO, this is the wrong advice, as it won't remove the 
message without 
re-ordering the boot process, adjusting the kernel, if 
possible, to activate 
DMA during drive detection would however, see my other 
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Re: [gentoo-user] transcode

2003-08-19 Thread plord
Mike Williams wrote:

On Tuesday 19 August 2003 20:11, plord wrote:

Hi All,

I've emerge'd transcode but it isn't the latest version.  I notice that
the gentoo cvs has a later ebuild file.
Whats the right way to get transcode 0.6.8 emerge'd ?

transcode 0.6.8 is currently marked as 'unstable', if you really 
want/need it
installed do
ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~x86" emerge transcode
or ~ppc


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Re: [gentoo-user] dma not enabled

2003-08-19 Thread Tom Wesley
On Tuesday 19 August 2003 21:08, brett holcomb wrote:
> Well, hdparam is used (at least that's what I used) and
> the man page is a good place to start reading about it.
>  It gave me enough info to see what needed to be done and
> even be able to ask questions.  Yes, it isn't a one step
> process but a knowledge of the man page is a could place
> to start.  I used hdparam from the command line to figure
> out info about my drive and turn it on.

Fair enough, having read my mail it sounded a lil crappy, didn't mean to be 
offensive. :-)  Must've been sitting here longer than I thought!



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Re: [gentoo-user] dma not enabled

2003-08-19 Thread brett holcomb
We all have those days .  Take a break - I find a good 
break is to go kick a windows machine >

On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 21:11:46 +0100
 Tom Wesley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Tuesday 19 August 2003 21:08, brett holcomb wrote:
Well, hdparam is used (at least that's what I used) and
the man page is a good place to start reading about it.
 It gave me enough info to see what needed to be done 
and
even be able to ask questions.  Yes, it isn't a one step
process but a knowledge of the man page is a could place
to start.  I used hdparam from the command line to 
figure
out info about my drive and turn it on.
Fair enough, having read my mail it sounded a lil crappy, 
didn't mean to be 
offensive. :-)  Must've been sitting here longer than I 
thought!



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Re: [gentoo-user] wvdial and username/password

2003-08-19 Thread Makurin Roman
 19.08.2003, в 22:33, Meka[ni]:
>   Is there anyone who uses wvdial and doesn't have to write username and 
> password "by hand"
> in /etc/ppp/{pap,chap}-secrets? I've tried everything I could remeber and read from 
> man
> pages, but nothing helps. Here is my wvdial.conf:
> 
> 
> [Dialer Defaults]
> Modem = /dev/ttyS2
> Baud = 115200
> Init1 = ATZ
> Init2 = ATX3 Q0 V1 E1 S0=0 &C1 &D2 +FCLASS=0 M1L0
> ISDN = 0
> Modem Type = Analog Modem
> Phone = 487
> Username = xxx
> Password = yyy
> Dial Command = ATDP
> Auto Reconnect = 0
> Auto DNS = 1
> Idle Seconds = 300
> Dial Attemts = 10
> Stupid Mode = 1
> New PPPD = 1
> Compuserve = 0
> ISDN = 0
> 
> and here is /etc/ppp/peers/wvdial:
> 
> noauth
> name wvdial
> usepeerdns
> 
> 
> and /etc/ppp/peers/wvdial-pipe:
> 
> noauth
> name wvdial
> 
> plugin passwordfd.so
> 
> defaultroute
> replacedefaultroute
> 
> 
> I've had a problem like that but with resolv.conf. It wasn't in /etc but in 
> /etc/ppp. It
> crossed my mind that maybe it's the same problem, but I don't know where wvdial 
> stores
> username and password. Help please. I know that this can be done (used SuSE and it 
> worked
> there). Thanx a lot
> 
> 
> 
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I don`t have any problem with wvdial, Here is my wvdial.conf

[Dialer Defaults]
Modem = /dev/ttyS0
Baud = 115200
Init1 = ATZ
Init2 = ATMQ0 V1 E1 S0=0 &C1 &D2 +FCLASS=0
Phone = 8-770010
Username = bubububu
Password = bubububu
Dial Command = ATDP

[Dialer phone2]
Phone = 8-7700102111




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Re: [gentoo-user] x eats my mem and cpu

2003-08-19 Thread a_k_b
> > mh sure... i understand this. but cant there be kind of prevention? i think if its 
> > so easy to do those things with xfree, there should be something like an 
> > automatically deallocation of the memory the app used. would be much better to 
> > prevent this... and give an option to NOT to do, if a program must remain in 
> > memory.
> That kind of request should be at the xfree-devel mailing list (I guess :+), but 
> personally I prefer coders that take care of their code rather than "systems" that 
> care of the code of programmers.

sure, that would be the best choice. but: what would we do if everything in linux was 
such a good target for unclean code? it was hell like a windows, if every coder had 
every tool to easily kill my stability.

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Re: [gentoo-user] shoot the bullet in your foot :)

2003-08-19 Thread Hemmann, Volker Armin
On Tuesday 19 August 2003 18:56, Spundun Bhatt wrote:
> heh
> I have a "small" question. I have removed a lot of files using rm -R, Is
> there any mecahnism in reiserfs to recover the removed files?

short answer: no
long one: it depends, but the chances are very slim. You could pay 25$ and ask 
reiser support, or try your luck with debugreiserfs&co

Glück Auf
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[gentoo-user] IDE bus speed

2003-08-19 Thread Scharf Yuval
Hello,

Can someone explain to me the following log messages from the kernel:

ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with idebus=xx
ICH2: IDE controller on PCI bus 00 dev f9
ICH2: chipset revision 2
ICH2: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later
ide0: BM-DMA at 0xff00-0xff07, BIOS settings: hda:DMA, hdb:pio
ide1: BM-DMA at 0xff08-0xff0f, BIOS settings: hdc:DMA, hdd:DMA
hda: 39102336 sectors (20020 MB) w/512KiB Cache, CHS=2434/255/63, UDMA(100)

Using `hdparm -t /dev/hda5` I get ~27MB/s.
Does it mean that my bus holds back my HD.
Shouldn't I get 100MB/s?
Can I do something to improve performance.

Thanks,
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Re: [gentoo-user] IDE bus speed

2003-08-19 Thread Nicolas STURMEL
Scharf Yuval wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> Can someone explain to me the following log messages from the kernel:
> 
> ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with idebus=xx
> ICH2: IDE controller on PCI bus 00 dev f9
> ICH2: chipset revision 2
> ICH2: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later
> ide0: BM-DMA at 0xff00-0xff07, BIOS settings: hda:DMA, hdb:pio
> ide1: BM-DMA at 0xff08-0xff0f, BIOS settings: hdc:DMA, hdd:DMA
> hda: 39102336 sectors (20020 MB) w/512KiB Cache, CHS=2434/255/63, UDMA(100)
> 
> Using `hdparm -t /dev/hda5` I get ~27MB/s.
> Does it mean that my bus holds back my HD.
> Shouldn't I get 100MB/s?
> Can I do something to improve performance.
> 

What a 'hdparm' day ;-)

Just read the manual page of hdparm and you will see that the '-t' flag
only gives your _Hard Drive_ speed. And a 27MB/s data rate is quite
corect for an IDE Hard Drive.
My latest Seagate Barracuda is given at 55MB/s, and my old Baracuda IV
80GB is given at 30MB/s.
In fact, i do not think that hdparm can easily reach the theorical IDE
bus speed, as the '-T' flag ( the second of the only two bench flags I
know ) gives system mem-buffer I/O speed.

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Re: [gentoo-user] IDE bus speed

2003-08-19 Thread Scharf Yuval
Hello,

I don't understand your answer Nicolas.
Because My bus is 33MHz I get 27MB/s. I understand that.
What I'm asking is if the UDMA(100) means that the HD is capable of
100MB/s and the bus holds it back. Does it mean that with a newer
motherboard my HD will work much faster?

Yuval Scharf


On Tue, 19 Aug 2003, Nicolas STURMEL wrote:

> Scharf Yuval wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > Can someone explain to me the following log messages from the kernel:
> >
> > ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with idebus=xx
> > ICH2: IDE controller on PCI bus 00 dev f9
> > ICH2: chipset revision 2
> > ICH2: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later
> >   ide0: BM-DMA at 0xff00-0xff07, BIOS settings: hda:DMA, hdb:pio
> >   ide1: BM-DMA at 0xff08-0xff0f, BIOS settings: hdc:DMA, hdd:DMA
> > hda: 39102336 sectors (20020 MB) w/512KiB Cache, CHS=2434/255/63, UDMA(100)
> >
> > Using `hdparm -t /dev/hda5` I get ~27MB/s.
> > Does it mean that my bus holds back my HD.
> > Shouldn't I get 100MB/s?
> > Can I do something to improve performance.
> >
>
> What a 'hdparm' day ;-)
>
> Just read the manual pageof hdparm and you will see that the '-t' flag
> only gives your _Hard Drive_ speed. And a 27MB/s data rate is quite
> corect for an IDE Hard Drive.
> My latest Seagate Barracuda is given at 55MB/s, and my old Baracuda IV
> 80GB is given at 30MB/s.
> In fact, i do not think that hdparm can easily reach the theorical IDE
> bus speed, as the '-T' flag ( the second of the only two bench flags I
> know ) gives system mem-buffer I/O speed.
>
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Re: [gentoo-user] IDE bus speed

2003-08-19 Thread Nicolas STURMEL
Scharf Yuval wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I don't understand your answer Nicolas.
> Because My bus is 33MHz I get 27MB/s. I understand that.
> What I'm asking is if the UDMA(100) means that the HD is capable of
> 100MB/s and the bus holds it back. Does it mean that with a newer
> motherboard my HD will work much faster?
> 

You are wrong, UDMA 100 only means that Data can travel as fast as
100MB/s on the bus, but your hard drvie is mechanic, it is physicaly
limited far beyond the bus speed, and a newer motherboard will never
afect that.

If you get 27MB/s with an Intel chipset, you will probably never get
more, but maybe less ( with VIA or SIS chipsets maybe... )

English is not my mother tongue, so sorry if there are some
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Re: [gentoo-user] IDE bus speed

2003-08-19 Thread nmeyers
On Wed, Aug 20, 2003 at 12:19:23AM +0300, Scharf Yuval wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I don't understand your answer Nicolas.
> Because My bus is 33MHz I get 27MB/s. I understand that.

He's saying you get 27MB/s because your drive is capable of that
data rate. It doesn't matter how fast your bus is if that's the
limit for the drive.

Nathan Meyers
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> What I'm asking is if the UDMA(100) means that the HD is capable of
> 100MB/s and the bus holds it back. Does it mean that with a newer
> motherboard my HD will work much faster?
> 
> Yuval Scharf
> 
> 
> On Tue, 19 Aug 2003, Nicolas STURMEL wrote:
> 
> > Scharf Yuval wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > Can someone explain to me the following log messages from the kernel:
> > >
> > > ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with idebus=xx
> > > ICH2: IDE controller on PCI bus 00 dev f9
> > > ICH2: chipset revision 2
> > > ICH2: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later
> > >   ide0: BM-DMA at 0xff00-0xff07, BIOS settings: hda:DMA, hdb:pio
> > >   ide1: BM-DMA at 0xff08-0xff0f, BIOS settings: hdc:DMA, hdd:DMA
> > > hda: 39102336 sectors (20020 MB) w/512KiB Cache, CHS=2434/255/63, UDMA(100)
> > >
> > > Using `hdparm -t /dev/hda5` I get ~27MB/s.
> > > Does it mean that my bus holds back my HD.
> > > Shouldn't I get 100MB/s?
> > > Can I do something to improve performance.
> > >
> >
> > What a 'hdparm' day ;-)
> >
> > Just read the manual pageof hdparm and you will see that the '-t' flag
> > only gives your _Hard Drive_ speed. And a 27MB/s data rate is quite
> > corect for an IDE Hard Drive.
> > My latest Seagate Barracuda is given at 55MB/s, and my old Baracuda IV
> > 80GB is given at 30MB/s.
> > In fact, i do not think that hdparm can easily reach the theorical IDE
> > bus speed, as the '-T' flag ( the second of the only two bench flags I
> > know ) gives system mem-buffer I/O speed.
> >
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RE: [gentoo-user] IDE bus speed

2003-08-19 Thread Rex Young
>Hello,
>
>I don't understand your answer Nicolas.
>Because My bus is 33MHz I get 27MB/s. I understand that.
>What I'm asking is if the UDMA(100) means that the HD is capable of
>100MB/s and the bus holds it back. Does it mean that with a newer
>motherboard my HD will work much faster?
>
>Yuval Scharf
>
I think that you're stuck on the 33MHz.  Don't be.  I believe that they all
operate
at 33MHz where they are UDMA 100, UDMA 133, etc.  33MHz is the speed that
this bus
operates at.


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RE: [gentoo-user] IDE bus speed

2003-08-19 Thread Jason . Santos
> Hello,
> 
> I don't understand your answer Nicolas.
> Because My bus is 33MHz I get 27MB/s. I understand that.
> What I'm asking is if the UDMA(100) means that the HD is 
> capable of 100MB/s and the bus holds it back. Does it mean 
> that with a newer motherboard my HD will work much faster?
> 
> Yuval Scharf

That's not what it means. Read the Kernel message carefully:

> > > ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with 

That only applies to PIO modes, not DMA modes.  Your hard drive had is
operating in DMA mode:
> > >   ide0: BM-DMA at 0xff00-0xff07, BIOS settings: hda:DMA, hdb:pio

If you turn on all the "safe" optimizations for your drive as such:

hdparm -c1 -d1 -m16 -u1 -A1 -a64

and then test it, what do you get?  That's about the most you'll squeeze
out of it.  And there's no way you are ever going to see 100MB/s out of
a single IDE drive, it's just a sales tool.  If you get even 50MB/sec
off of UDMA100, you're doing quite well...

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Donation disclosure

2003-08-19 Thread Louis C. Candell
Kurt Lieber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> On Fri, Aug 15, 2003 at 07:31:44PM + or thereabouts, Louis C. Candell wrote:
>> I wouldnt expect monetary compensation from Debian (GNU/Linux),
>> because they are non-profit, but Gentoo, on the other hand, is
>> trying to make a buck not only from it's users, but from the people
>> who are pouring sweat and blood into the outcome of this project.
>
> This is so patently false and misleading as to be offensive.  Please kindly
> get your facts straight before posting complete and total FUD to the
> mailing list.

How am I posting FUD into [EMAIL PROTECTED], when my posts were
showing nothing other than concern and were full of questions trying
to get facts concerning gentoo's financials from a reliable source?

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FUD stands for Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt.

It is a marketing technique used when a competitor launches a product that is
both better than yours and costs less, i.e. your product is no longer
competitive. Unable to respond with hard facts, scare-mongering is used via
'gossip channels' to cast a shadow of doubt over the competitors offerings and
make people think twice before using it.

Location: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Hills/9267/fuddef.html

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My posts, Kurt, ask questions which should be answered in a
professional manner, and you shouldnt try and discredit my 700+ lines
of text, by using *four* lines from my posts and ignoring the rest of
the 700+ lines asking specific questions to clear up any 'FUD' which
many users, including myself (tax man), might have of Gentoo
Technologies, Inc. 

In case you did not notice, I even *stated* a few times that I hope
these are misconceptions on my part, and wish them to be cleared up by
someone with internal knowledge of GTI, and my want of nothing other
than success to GTI, as well as nothing other than concern for Gentoo
Developers and Users alike. In case you didnt notice, I stated how I
stopped using FreeBSD and use Gentoo exclusively. I even stated I
would be > *MORE THAN HAPPY* < to give GTI money, if GTI had a
means of showing how our $ is being used towards the Gentoo
Community. If that isn't a sign of support towards GTI and their
continuing efforts, then I dont know what is.

In case you missed my questions, you can reference the following:

   * Location: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.user/43186/match=
   * Location: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.user/43237/match=

Here is a snippet from a post by Daniel Robbins in response to a
developer named John Davis:

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>> I am very sorry if I have offended you Daniel, but I am not on the
>> offensive against you or Gentoo. If you wish to take disciplinary action
>> against me, so be it, just realize that you are setting a precedent for 
>> Gentoo, a precedent that is loathed by all. 
>> I'm not taking disciplinary action against you, I'm trying to
>> users don't get treated as second-class citizens by
>> developers. 

Honestly,I have a real problem with our developers telling users what
they should think, or chewing them out just because they have a strong
opinion that do not happen to be the one you were hoping they would
have. 

For the future of Gentoo, users should tell *us* what they want to
see, and we should at least listen politely. If you don't agree, you
should make an effort to express the disagreement professionally
without labeling them as flamers or their opinions as invalid. 

That's not constructive conversation. And developers should actively
participate in the process that already exists. If you're going to be
interacting with users, you should be asking them what they think.

   * Location: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.devel/10189/match= 

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Did you notice my posts were wishing and wanting Gentoo success, and
*NOT* a put down of GTI in any way, shape or form? Did you not notice
me asking genuine questions, which I'm sure I'm not the only one
asking?

We, the Users are telling you what we want to see, and should *never*
carry a response of, "Your post is full of FUD" when posts show
nothing other than concern over Gentoo's future and point out a lack
of knowledge with questions to clear up any misconceptions by our
part. Not to mention point out Gentoo's strong user / developer base
and money making potential.

Your 'FUD' response trying to discredit my posts is irresponsible
behavior as a lead and *very* important developer in our community,
considering you completely ignored the rest of my posts 700+ lines to
get the last word in, without answering questions which were asked to
END THE DRAMA of people continually asking where donations go, and how
they are used within the business.

But I'm sure you scanned through my posts and soaked in what you
wanted to soak in, so maybe you can take the time out of your busy
schedule to reread what I posted and answer the questions, so there is
a clear record for future gentoo users asking the same questions to

Re: [gentoo-user] IDE bus speed

2003-08-19 Thread Nicolas STURMEL
Rex Young wrote:
> I think that you're stuck on the 33MHz.  Don't be.  I believe that they all
> operate
> at 33MHz where they are UDMA 100, UDMA 133, etc.  33MHz is the speed that
> this bus
> operates at.

I think you are wrong too :-P

The size of the IDE bus ( 16 bits ) didn't change since quitte a while,
the only trick they found to increase data rate is to increase the bus
frequecy as well.

but something interessant is that on Yuval's system hda is on the same
bus as a pio interface ( CDROM, Tape... ). And that _must be the reason_
of a slighty slower hard drive. In that way, this bus is maybe blocked
at UDMA33 becaus e of the presence of an ATAPI interface.

I have a single advice : *never mix HD ans ATAPI devices on a same bus*

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RE: [gentoo-user] IDE bus speed

2003-08-19 Thread Scharf Yuval
I get between 27MB/s and 30MB/s

Yuval Scharf


On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> > Hello,
> >
> > I don't understand your answer Nicolas.
> > Because My bus is 33MHz I get 27MB/s. I understand that.
> > What I'm asking is if the UDMA(100) means that the HD is
> > capable of 100MB/s and the bus holds it back. Does it mean
> > that with anewer motherboard my HD will work much faster?
> >
> > Yuval Scharf
>
> That's not what it means. Read the Kernel message carefully:
>
> > > > ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with
>
> That only applies to PIO modes, not DMA modes.Your hard drive had is
> operating in DMA mode:
> > > > ide0: BM-DMA at 0xff00-0xff07, BIOS settings: hda:DMA, hdb:pio
>
> If you turn on all the "safe" optimizations for your drive as such:
>
> hdparm -c1 -d1 -m16 -u1 -A1 -a64
>
> and then test it, whatdo you get?That's about the most you'll squeeze
> out of it.And there's no way you are ever going to see 100MB/s out of
> a single IDE drive, it's just a sales tool.If you get even 50MB/sec
> off of UDMA100, you're doing quite well...
>
> HTH,
>
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Re: [gentoo-user] IDE bus speed

2003-08-19 Thread Scharf Yuval
Nicolas, If you are reffering to hdb you are wrong because there is no
device there.

So, If I sum up your answers then my HD is capable of 30MB/s.
The UDMA(100) is a sales persons trick.
My bus is 33Mhz and it is not holding back my HD.

So, If I like to buy a new motherboard and a new HD, what should I buy?
Assume that I would like to get the best a person might expect from a home
computer.

Yuval Scharf


On Tue, 19 Aug 2003, Nicolas STURMEL wrote:

> Rex Young wrote:
> > I think that you're stuck on the 33MHz.Don't be.  I believe that they all
> > operate
> > at 33MHz where they are UDMA 100, UDMA 133, etc.33MHz is the speed that
> > this bus
> > operates at.
>
> I think you are wrong too :-P
>
> The size of the IDE bus ( 16 bits ) didn't change since quitte a while,
> the only trick they found to increase data rate is to increase the bus
> frequecy as well.
>
> but something interessant is that on Yuval's system hda is on the same
> bus as a pio interface ( CDROM, Tape... ). And that _must be the reason_
> of a slighty slower hard drive. In that way, this bus is maybe blocked
> at UDMA33 becaus e of the presence of an ATAPI interface.
>
> I have a single advice : *never mix HD ans ATAPI devices on a same bus*
>
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Re: [gentoo-user] IDE bus speed

2003-08-19 Thread Hemmann, Volker Armin
On Tuesday 19 August 2003 21:05, Scharf Yuval wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Can someone explain to me the following log messages from the kernel:
>
> ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with idebus=xx
> ICH2: IDE controller on PCI bus 00 dev f9
> ICH2: chipset revision 2
> ICH2: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later
> ide0: BM-DMA at 0xff00-0xff07, BIOS settings: hda:DMA, hdb:pio
> ide1: BM-DMA at 0xff08-0xff0f, BIOS settings: hdc:DMA, hdd:DMA
> hda: 39102336 sectors (20020 MB) w/512KiB Cache, CHS=2434/255/63, UDMA(100)
>
> Using `hdparm -t /dev/hda5` I get ~27MB/s.
> Does it mean that my bus holds back my HD.
> Shouldn't I get 100MB/s?
> Can I do something to improve performance.

because I read some stupid answers so this could not be worse but maybe 
better:

IMHO
> ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with idebus=xx

means ' I detected that the bus, that hosts my ide controller is working at 33 
MHZ (speak: PCI-bus).
If you would have a isa-ide controller or a vl-bus controller, you would see 
different MHz.

DMA/UDMA33/66/100/133 is something completly different.

A harddisk delivering 27mb/sec is reasonable fast, NO harddisk out there is 
delivering 133/100/66 mb/sec. Only exception: a cachehit, but that is not 
measured by hdparm.. and cache is very nonsignificant...

Glück Auf
Volker
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RE: [gentoo-user] IDE bus speed

2003-08-19 Thread Rex Young
>Rex Young wrote:
>> I think that you're stuck on the 33MHz.  Don't be.  I 
>believe that they all
>> operate
>> at 33MHz where they are UDMA 100, UDMA 133, etc.  33MHz is 
>the speed that
>> this bus
>> operates at.
>
>I think you are wrong too :-P
>
>The size of the IDE bus ( 16 bits ) didn't change since quitte a while,
>the only trick they found to increase data rate is to increase the bus
>frequecy as well.
>
You're right.  The IDE bus speed varies, while the PCI interface of that
bus operates at 33MHz.

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Re: [gentoo-user] IDE bus speed

2003-08-19 Thread Ian Truelsen
On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 00:52:01 +0300 (IDT)
Scharf Yuval <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Nicolas, If you are reffering to hdb you are wrong because there is no
> device there.
> 
> So, If I sum up your answers then my HD is capable of 30MB/s.
> The UDMA(100) is a sales persons trick.
> My bus is 33Mhz and it is not holding back my HD.
> 
> So, If I like to buy a new motherboard and a new HD, what should I
> buy? Assume that I would like to get the best a person might expect
> from a home computer.
> 
Probably the only way to get significantly better performance is by
going to SCSI. 

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Re: [gentoo-user] IDE bus speed

2003-08-19 Thread Nicolas STURMEL
Ian Truelsen wrote:
> 
> Probably the only way to get significantly better performance is by
> going to SCSI. 
> 

IDE RAID could also be a ( cheaper ) solution.

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Re: [gentoo-user] shoot the bullet in your foot :)

2003-08-19 Thread Zack Gilburd
On Tuesday 19 August 2003 11:56 am, Spundun Bhatt wrote:
> heh
> I have a "small" question. I have removed a lot of files using rm -R, Is
> there any mecahnism in reiserfs to recover the removed files?
> Thanx
> Spundun

`reiserfsck --rebuild-tree` MIGHT do it for you.  I am guessing here.

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[gentoo-user] pcmcia-cs install

2003-08-19 Thread Lionel Laratte
Title: pcmcia-cs install






Hi all,

I am on the home stretch in completing my first Gentoo install on my PII-266 Compaq Presario 1655 laptop.  Unfortunately, when I go to emerge the pcmcia-cs package as the instructions say, I get a "404 not found" error from airsnort.schmoo.com which, I suppose, it was supposed to be downloaded from.  Is there any way to install this package otherwise? Or am I stuck waiting till this Web site gets back up?  I would appreciate any suggestions.  Thanks.

Lionel





Re: [gentoo-user] pcmcia-cs install

2003-08-19 Thread adam mcmaster
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| Hi all,
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| I am on the home stretch in completing my first Gentoo install on my
| PII-266 Compaq Presario 1655 laptop.  Unfortunately, when I go to emerge
| the pcmcia-cs package as the instructions say, I get a "404 not found"
| error from airsnort.schmoo.com which, I suppose, it was supposed to be
| downloaded from.  Is there any way to install this package otherwise? Or
| am I stuck waiting till this Web site gets back up?  I would appreciate
| any suggestions.  Thanks.
|
| Lionel
|
|
shouldn't it try a whole bunch of different mirrors in that case?  just
a guess, but maybe emerge sync then trying again would help...
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RE: [gentoo-user] IDE bus speed

2003-08-19 Thread Bjorn Sodergren
> So, If I like to buy a new motherboard and a new HD, what 
> should I buy? Assume that I would like to get the best a 
> person might expect from a home computer.


Another issue holding back IDE performance is that the IDE bus is sometimes
tied into the PCI bus which is limited to 128mb/sec (give or take).

Everything that's on that bus will fight for that limited bandwidth (i.e.
USB, sound, NIC cards, whatever)

Some of the newer motherboard have the IDE channels on their own bus path.
Even though it isnt THAT linux friendly, the new nForce 2 chips use AMD's
hypertransport technology to provide the IDE bus with FAR greater bandwidth
that the PCI bus can obtain (~800mb/sec).

Some benchmarks from my...
AMD 2500XP,
2x512 PC3200 in Dual Channel mode,
Asus A7N8X Deluxe,
http://www.asus.com/products/mb/socketa/a7n8x-d/overview.htm
Windows XP :) 

WD1200JB on IDE channel
(the lower read speeds on the 512 and 1024mb where due to me accidently
starting Quake3 )
http://underthemain.net/~sweede/bench/bench_1.jpg

Dual WD800JBs on SATA, RAID-0
(small file)
http://underthemain.net/~sweede/bench/bench3.JPG
(large file)
http://underthemain.net/~sweede/bench/bench2.JPG


The Western Digital drives are amazing. Newer Intel motherboards have build
in, native SATA channels (meaning you can boot a dos floppy and see the
harddrive). I would look into those and other modern equipment. Research at
www.firingsquad.com , they usually have great hardware reviews.

Just keep a watch out for linux compat. :)

A good site for nForce 2 on linux,
http://www.nforcershq.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=29
Don't know of one for the newer intel-based motherboards, sorry.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Donation disclosure

2003-08-19 Thread Brian Downey
> http://news.gmane.org/onethread.php?group=gmane.linux.gentoo.user&root=%3C2
> 00308142213.35578.tawesley%40yahoo.com%3E
>
> But it seems to be conveniently missing from the web version:
>
> * Location: http://www.gentoo.org/news/en/gwn/20030818-newsletter.xml
>
> Why is it missing from the web version? Why is it available in the
> email format, but not through the web version which *everyone* can
> read and digest in a more appropriate fashion?
>

Hey Louis,

I can answer for that.  I'm the GWN contributor for that section (i.e. I
wrote that)  and I can vouch for Yugi (the Editor).   He lives in Japan,
and pushed out this issue of the GWN in a pinch, as he had a flight the
same day heading to the US for college.  I'm sure it was an honest
mistake.  The "draft" he sent out missed all kinds of sections.

Kurt's actually subbing for the next issue, until Yuji can get reliable
internet access again.

There is no conspiracy going on :)

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