Re: [gentoo-user] linux desktop search engines are ugly!
On Monday 27 August 2007, Shaochun Wang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote about '[gentoo-user] linux desktop search engines are ugly!': >Can you imagine what makes a software > consumes five hundrend Megabits of memory? 1. Unused memory is wasted. 2. 64MiB (> 512Mb) is not that much in the modern era. Or did you mean 500MiB instead of 500Mb? Memory is generally measured in bytes, and generally uses the "binary SI" prefixes; bandwidth is usually the opposite (bits and "decimal SI"). 3. http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=148385 4. Have you used an application based of the Strigi indexer? That's what's going to be used for KDE 4.0, and I really haven't heard many complaints about it. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Default group for users
On Monday 27 August 2007, Mick wrote: > > There's two ways of doing this, either new users all have the same > > inital primary group, or they get one based on their user name. The > > second is preferred as homw dirs are then not open by default like > > they would be if they were all owned by the users groups, and the > > user sets a umask of 0002 > > From what you're saying the current default Gentoo set up is to have > a separate primary group, based on the user's name. Was this the > case 3-4 years ago? Dunno :-) I haven't been a gentooite for that many years yet > > You can actually do it any way you want and that suits your needs, > > but the current gentoo default is a sane default. CHange it if you > > want with the usual tools to manipulate > > /etc/passwd|group|shadow|gshadow > > I am aware of these files, but what tools are the "usual tools"? ch* and other user/group related commands out of sys-apps/coreutils -- Optimists say the glass is half full, Pessimists say the glass is half empty, Developers say wtf is the glass twice as big as it needs to be? Alan McKinnon alan at linuxholdings dot co dot za +27 82, double three seven, one nine three five -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] linux desktop search engines are ugly!
On Tuesday 28 August 2007, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > > In one word, there is no useable desktop search engine for linux. > > > they are called 'locate', 'find' and 'grep'. good tools, fast tools. Feel the love, people > If you know how to use them, you'll have a lot of fun. What is this desktop search engine thingy whereof the OP speaks? I do not know of such a thing... alan -- Optimists say the glass is half full, Pessimists say the glass is half empty, Developers say wtf is the glass twice as big as it needs to be? Alan McKinnon alan at linuxholdings dot co dot za +27 82, double three seven, one nine three five -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] The big clean up
Thank you all, This seems to work pretty good. I reemerged and unmerged most things using emerge --depclean and rebuild it with revdep-rebuild. Ran prelink, but I thought it didn't show up some forgotten links. Looks like this system is pretty clean again. Thank you! Noud -- <:3 )~ -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] linux desktop search engines are ugly!
On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 02:20:46 -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: > 4. Have you used an application based of the Strigi indexer? That's > what's going to be used for KDE 4.0, and I really haven't heard many > complaints about it. There's also Recoll, which I found to use a lot of disk space for its data but didn't slow the system down like Beagle. I then end I went back to using the tried and tested system of find/locate/grep combined with giving files sensible names. -- Neil Bothwick Conclusion: the place where you got tired of thinking. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] linux desktop search engines are ugly!
On 28 August 2007, Alan McKinnon wrote: > On Tuesday 28 August 2007, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > > > In one word, there is no useable desktop search engine for linux. > > > > they are called 'locate', 'find' and 'grep'. > > good tools, fast tools. Feel the love, people Yup but not so suitable for users that aren't computer freaks but want their work done. > > > If you know how to use them, you'll have a lot of fun. > > What is this desktop search engine thingy whereof the OP speaks? I do > not know of such a thing... Something where you can tell the computer: I want granny's photo that came in with an email from uncle George. It's about using lots of metadata for finding objects. Quite honestly, why should a secretary be concerned about the exact name and location of a file that contains a quotation of product A for customer B? She should be able to ask the computer for "quotation, product A, customer B" and get it. With cheap storage space available, we tend to keep more and more data on our harddisks. Last time I did a file count in my home directory, it came up with 170,000 files (including sub-directories). It's a pain to keep that amount of data organised in a hierarchical filesystem. Better let the computer do the hard work. It might not be the right tool for you and me, but there are lots of users out there for whom it is the right thing - if it doesn't use too much of system resources. KDE4 will hopefully get it right. Uwe -- Jack Nicholson: My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son of a bitch. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Shutting down WLAN and network
On Tuesday 28 August 2007, Michael Gisbers wrote: > Am Montag 27 August 2007 schrieb Noud Aldenhoven: > > On 8/27/07, Michael Gisbers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Am Montag 27 August 2007 schrieb Florian Philipp: > > > > Hi! > > > > > > > > I've already tried my luck on gentoo-laptop but that list seems to be > > > > dead. > > > > > > > > Is there a neat and easy way to shut down the ethernet and WLAN > > > > adapters of my notebook when I don't need them? > > > > > > Hi, it's me again ;-) > > > > > > Do you want to shut them down completely (rmmod etc.) or do you only > > > want them to standby until it is needed (network plug)? > > > > > > If you are thinking about the second have a look on sys-apps/netplug > > > and sys-apps/ifplugd. I'm using netplug for my eth0 and my > > > hardware-switch for wlan0. ;-) > > > > > > -- > > > Michael Gisbers > > > http://www.lugor.de > > > > Perhaps a stupid remark, but most laptops are supported with a > > wireless hardware on/off button. > > Your wireless adapter will be shut down for sure then. > > Like you say: most laptops. > > Even newer laptops don't support keyboard shortcuts running with linux. And > some laptops even don't start with wireless enabled. Isn't it a matter of mapping a couple of keys to /etc/init.d/ath0, or whatever your wireless script is? Alternatively, you could run it from a terminal. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Default group for users
On Tuesday 28 August 2007, Alan McKinnon wrote: > On Monday 27 August 2007, Mick wrote: > > > There's two ways of doing this, either new users all have the same > > > inital primary group, or they get one based on their user name. The > > > second is preferred as homw dirs are then not open by default like > > > they would be if they were all owned by the users groups, and the > > > user sets a umask of 0002 > > > > From what you're saying the current default Gentoo set up is to have > > a separate primary group, based on the user's name. Was this the > > case 3-4 years ago? > > Dunno :-) I haven't been a gentooite for that many years yet > > > > You can actually do it any way you want and that suits your needs, > > > but the current gentoo default is a sane default. CHange it if you > > > want with the usual tools to manipulate > > > /etc/passwd|group|shadow|gshadow > > > > I am aware of these files, but what tools are the "usual tools"? > > ch* and other user/group related commands out of sys-apps/coreutils There you go! I learn something new every day. I used to modify these files by hand and now I find out that there's a batch command available too. Thanks! -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] linux desktop search engines are ugly!
On Tuesday 28 August 2007, Uwe Thiem <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] linux desktop search engines are ugly!': >Last time I did a file count in my home directory, it > came up with 170,000 files (including sub-directories). It's a pain to > keep that amount of data organised in a hierarchical filesystem. Better > let the computer do the hard work. $ find /home/bss | wc -l 158254 $ du -sh /home/bss 2.6T/home/bss $ du -s /home/bss 2695039198 /home/bss Desktop search would be a useless waste of resources for me. I don't spend much time organizing files, but I do think about where to put them when I create/save them. I know where all my data is already. >It might not be the right tool for you and me, but there are lots of > users out there for whom it is the right thing - if it doesn't use too > much of system resources. KDE4 will hopefully get it right. As long as I can turn it off, I think providing a feature many users want (3 of the 4 Linux users in my house) is a good use of developer resources. Heck, I might even like it once I try it. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Default group for users
On Tuesday 28 August 2007, Mick wrote: > > ch* and other user/group related commands out of sys-apps/coreutils > > There you go! I learn something new every day. I used to modify > these files by hand and now I find out that there's a batch command > available too. heh, I know the feeling. My day job is delivering red hat courses, and when I tell dudes in the classroom to just do what we've done on *nix for years and hand edit /etc/group (usermod -G and gpasswd -a are just too painful to use...) they all look at me like I just stepped off a flying saucer fresh from Mars alan -- Optimists say the glass is half full, Pessimists say the glass is half empty, Developers say wtf is the glass twice as big as it needs to be? Alan McKinnon alan at linuxholdings dot co dot za +27 82, double three seven, one nine three five -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Java Version
On 28 Aug 2007, at 07:06, Abraham Marín Pérez wrote:
...
Your eix commands do not work, but here is the output of java -
version
Merge gentoolkit and repeat those commands, they are the absolute
key ;-).
eix isn't in gentoolkit.
$ eix eix
[I] app-portage/eix
Available versions: 0.8.8 ~0.9.1 ~0.9.4 ~0.9.8 0.9.9 ~0.9.10
{sqlite}
Installed versions: 0.9.9(10:23:48 08/01/07)(-sqlite)
Homepage:http://eix.sourceforge.net
Description: Small utility for searching ebuilds with
indexing for fast results
$
`emerge eix` is how you get eix.
Stroller.
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Re: [gentoo-user] linux desktop search engines are ugly!
On 28 Aug 2007, at 08:11, Alan McKinnon wrote: If you know how to use them, you'll have a lot of fun. What is this desktop search engine thingy whereof the OP speaks? I do not know of such a thing... It's like locate, except it indexes the contents of files (rather than just the names) and it does so immediately the file is saved, rather than as a cron job. Stroller. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] linux desktop search engines are ugly!
I have used glimpse for indexing my email archive. It works pretty well, but requires indexing runs and also the index files are quite large. Good, though. And for a bonus, it comes with agrep, if I recall correctly, a fantastic "almost grep" tool for somewhat fuzzy searches. Recently, on my system, glimpse was in conflict with some other package. As an emacs user, my computing experience was recently improved exponentially by the utility "global-ff.el" that incrementally searches for files on the entire system by reference to the indexes of "locate": http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/GlobalFF. It does not search contents, but does globbing including partial directory / subdirectory names, quite niftily and speedily. I have to remember to thank that guy. Emacs also does a pretty nice "grep-find" that searches a tree for content of files. Alan Davis -- Alan Davis, Kagman High School, Saipan [EMAIL PROTECTED] "An inviscid theory of flow renders the screw useless, but the need for one non-existent." ---Lord Raleigh (aka John William Strutt), or else his son,
Re: [gentoo-user] linux desktop search engines are ugly!
On Tuesday 28 August 2007, Stroller wrote: > On 28 Aug 2007, at 08:11, Alan McKinnon wrote: > >> If you know how to use them, you'll have a lot of fun. > > > > What is this desktop search engine thingy whereof the OP speaks? I > > do not know of such a thing... > > It's like locate, except it indexes the contents of files (rather > than just the names) and it does so immediately the file is saved, > rather than as a cron job. Seems like a lot of folks are being very helpful and want to assist me in understanding what these Beagle-esque apps do :-) I do know what they are, I just never use them - I prefer grep find locate etc. I was being slightly sarcastic with my comment, with my tongue very firmly planted in both cheeks :-) But hey, maybe some other user who would use such things now know more about them and maybe emerge them alan -- Optimists say the glass is half full, Pessimists say the glass is half empty, Developers say wtf is the glass twice as big as it needs to be? Alan McKinnon alan at linuxholdings dot co dot za +27 82, double three seven, one nine three five -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] openvpn and nfsmount
Hello! I am having difficulties in setting up nfs with my laptop. I have an openvpn server running at home that can be reached via dynamic dns from the "outside world". Now i would like to mount my nfs exports from everywhere I am. These exports are only available in the vpn subnet (10.8.0.*). There are basically three scenarios (all via net.wlan0): 1. Home: - Direct connection to the openvpn server with a static private IP adress (192.168.1.xxx) - ESSID is fixed (e.g. "home") - The openvpn service can be started via "/etc/init.d/openvpn.home start" (it is properly configured via /etc/openvpn/home.conf - After that net.tap0 can be started and gets an ip adress inside the vpn (e.g. 10.8.0.100) if i have the following in /etc/conf.d/net: > config_tap0=( "dhcp" ) > mac_tap0="00:FF:22:33:44:55" > RC_NEED_tap0="openvpn.home" 2. Remote: - Connection via internet - This time the openvpn service has to be started via "/etc/init.d/openvpn.remote start" (because the config for that resides in /etc/openvpn/remote.conf) - You see that i have to change a line in /etc/conf.d/net to get things to work: > config_tap0=( "dhcp" ) > mac_tap0="00:FF:22:33:44:55" > RC_NEED_tap0="openvpn.remote" Question is: Can I avoid changing these lines everytime I travel around? 3. Remote via vpnc: - Connection via internet (so openvpn.remote has to be used) - ESSID fixed (e.g. "unibi") - Additionally: The vpnc service (/etc/init.d/vpnc.uni) has to be active Second question: Can I start the vpnc service by knowing the ESSID of my wireless network, and if I can: how? Thanks for your time Patrick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] linux desktop search engines are ugly!
On Tuesday 28 August 2007 08:00:17 Alan McKinnon wrote: > On Tuesday 28 August 2007, Stroller wrote: > > On 28 Aug 2007, at 08:11, Alan McKinnon wrote: > > >> If you know how to use them, you'll have a lot of fun. > > > > > > What is this desktop search engine thingy whereof the OP speaks? I > > > do not know of such a thing... > > > > It's like locate, except it indexes the contents of files (rather > > than just the names) and it does so immediately the file is saved, > > rather than as a cron job. > > Seems like a lot of folks are being very helpful and want to assist me > in understanding what these Beagle-esque apps do :-) > > I do know what they are, I just never use them - I prefer grep find > locate etc. I was being slightly sarcastic with my comment, with my > tongue very firmly planted in both cheeks :-) > > But hey, maybe some other user who would use such things now know more > about them and maybe emerge them A place for everything and everything in its place. If you are as anally retentive about it as me you don't need a desktop search engine. I had beagle for a while but I never used it so I decided to take the space back. Also for specific types of files there are specific types of database programs. So all my music is in amarok, all my research papers (pdfs) are in tellico, as are all my videos/dvds, all my photos are in digikam. That's the majority of my files. The rest is mostly work which is in a folder called "work" with a sub-folder for each experiment/project. It's not hard. It's only a big job if you've got thousands of files with random file names scattered across your file system. Saludos Matt -- %%% Dr. Matthew R. Lee CASEB & ECIM Departamento de Ecologia, P. Universidad Catolica de Chile, Alameda 340, Santiago. CP 6513677 CHILE [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: meiochile.matthewlee.org %%% -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Shorewall & ip_forwarding
Hi, I have problem visiting web-sites like [1] from my computers in the local net. I have Gentoo Hardened powered server. From server I can open it, but from windows & linux machines on the local net I can't. I have simple masq shorewall configuration and ip_forwarding=1: enigma alex # cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward 1 enigma alex # grep IP_FORWARDING /etc/shorewall/shorewall.conf IP_FORWARDING=Keep Where is the problem? Thanks for any suggestions [1] http://www.sysresccd.org/ -- best regards, Aleksey V. Kunitskiy my public GPG/PGP key: http://www.alexey-kv.org.ua/pubkey.asc signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] linux desktop search engines are ugly!
On 28 Aug 2007, at 13:00, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Tuesday 28 August 2007, Stroller wrote: On 28 Aug 2007, at 08:11, Alan McKinnon wrote: If you know how to use them, you'll have a lot of fun. What is this desktop search engine thingy whereof the OP speaks? I do not know of such a thing... It's like locate, except it indexes the contents of files (rather than just the names) and it does so immediately the file is saved, rather than as a cron job. Seems like a lot of folks are being very helpful and want to assist me in understanding what these Beagle-esque apps do :-) I do know what they are, I just never use them - I prefer grep find locate etc. I was being slightly sarcastic with my comment, with my tongue very firmly planted in both cheeks :-) My reply was because I see no such need for such "tongue-in-cheek" replies (and because I thought that another explanation was longer than necessary). If you accept locate as well as find as useful then it is only one more step to accept Beagle or other "desktop search" utilities. Find & `grep -R` find files by name & content - locate indexes filenames for quicker searching and runs once per day. Desktop search indexes contents and addresses the shortcomings of updating locate's database. Each is a logical step from the next. Personally I use none of those mentioned in this thread because Spotlight is quite (in)adequate enough for me. However I'm sure that desktop search will improve much in the forseeable future and that many of us will soon wossisname to be without it. Already, when I get an empty voicemail because someone has declined to leave a message I can identify the caller by copy & pasting their phone number into the search box. I felt the original poster - Shaochun Wang - to be a troll because he posted only complaints. Was it a request for help? He didn't ask "can anyone suggest an alternative, better, desktop search for me?" and this is not an advocacy group. He also made performance observations yet failed to state that he waited for the initial index to be built before doing so. We all know that files are not instantly indexed the moment the application is installed - perhaps he had not accounted for this? I know that when my email alone takes several hours to index - this constitutes thousands of small files totalling 3gig, but I suspect that is not an exceptional amount by the standards of those on this list. Stroller -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] linux desktop search engines are ugly!
Alan McKinnon skrev: > What is this desktop search engine thingy whereof the OP speaks? I do > not know of such a thing... Desktop search engines is this centuries wheel invention. It's simply put a major breakthrough in how we work with our desktop. Now the wheel didn't start out all that nice either and so will Desktop Search Engines evolve with time, but the thread starter is just ignorant if he expects DSE systems to come with a free lunch and 3 beers, this advance in technology is costly in computer power. I use Google Desktop Search and trackerd and for what they can do it works well, the technology is young, so there is limitations and a lot of technology needs updating to support it. Like NFS with extended attributes, client/server technology as indexing your remote files is a resource hog, but even then we are at the point where the technology is useful. Beagle does seem a bit broken with Gentoo at the moment, I had to give up on using it a little while ago. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [gentoo-user] ALSA hell : master channel permanently at zero volume, no sound
On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 12:54:23 +0200 Hans-Werner Hilse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 19:03:55 +0200 "b.n." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > What concerns me is that alsamixer nevers shows a volume control on > > Master anymore, and amixer says: > > > > Simple mixer control 'Master',0 > > Capabilities: pswitch pswitch-joined *<--- no volume/pvolume* > > Playback channels: Mono > > Mono: Playback [on] > > > > Also in alsamixer the IEC958 controls show no volume bar. > > Because they are no volume controls. Did you really modify them using > amixer? It will output the new settings after successfully applying > them. > > No master volume *does* make some sense for digital out... > > -hwh If you change the alsa driver source ,you may want to uninstall, then reinstall alsa-utils after clearing /etc/asound.state. But i do think Hans is onto something here... -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] linux desktop search engines are ugly!
As far as I'm concerned the structure of directories and links (hard or symbolic) were invented to eliminate the _need_ of having such searching engines. I've got every file in directory that it belongs to, and I do have "tmp" directory where I put files that does not belong to any category on my ~/ . Using those search engines is like reinventing the wheel or programing embedded devices with java... ;) -- Morpheus: "No, what happened, happened and couldn't have happened any other way." On Tue, 28 Aug 2007, Shaochun Wang wrote: Hi guys: I wouldn't like, but i have to say that all current available linux desktop search engines are rubbish. Keep reading, and you'll know why. 1. Beagle is full of buggy. Can you imagine what makes a software consumes five hundrend Megabits of memory? On my system, this beast consumes almost all of memory and makes my swap half full. Besides, it also monopolizes CPU and makes my system unusable. When you search something, beagle gives you some hints which is not good enough. Beagle can search chm, pdf etc. files. 2. Tracker is boasting itself of consuming little system resource and quick responding speed. It's true when compared with beagle and google desktop search. It consumes about twenty five megabits on idle state and gives you something in an acceptable time. But what can be called a search engine when it returns nothing you want? In other hand, tracker can't index chm file. 3. Google desktop search is heavy like beagle. It makes my system so slow that I wonder whether it is the product of google. It is source closed and only binary distributed. But this is unimportant, and who will be interested in the source of such ugly software :-) In one word, there is no useable desktop search engine for linux. -- Shaochun Wang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] linux desktop search engines are ugly!
Shaochun Wang ha scritto: > Hi guys: > > I wouldn't like, but i have to say that all current available linux > desktop search engines are rubbish. Keep reading, and you'll know why. > > 1. Beagle is full of buggy. Can you imagine what makes a software consumes > five hundrend Megabits of memory? On my system, this beast consumes > almost all of memory and makes my swap half full. Besides, it also > monopolizes CPU and makes my system unusable. When you search something, > beagle gives you some hints which is not good enough. Beagle can search > chm, pdf etc. files. > > 2. Tracker is boasting itself of consuming little system resource and > quick responding speed. It's true when compared with beagle and google > desktop search. It consumes about twenty five megabits on idle state and > gives you something in an acceptable time. But what can be called a > search engine when it returns nothing you want? In other hand, tracker > can't index chm file. > > 3. Google desktop search is heavy like beagle. It makes my system so > slow that I wonder whether it is the product of google. It is source > closed and only binary distributed. But this is unimportant, and who > will be interested in the source of such ugly software :-) > > In one word, there is no useable desktop search engine for linux. > > Thanks for your opinion. Next time write it on your own blog instead of wasting our time. m. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] linux desktop search engines are ugly!
On 28 August 2007, Cipher van Byte wrote: > As far as I'm concerned the structure of directories and links (hard or > symbolic) were invented to eliminate the _need_ of having such searching > engines. > > I've got every file in directory that it belongs to, and I do have "tmp" > directory where I put files that does not belong to any category on my ~/ . Think of secretaries who aren't interested in computers but need to use them. Think of musicians who want to use computers for composing without really under them. Think of any person who just uses computers without actually knowing what a file or a directory is. Computers aren't for geeks only. > > Using those search engines is like reinventing the wheel or programing > embedded devices with java... ;) Or like inventing the next generation wheel. Think of people using a microwave for heating up food. They know they can do that. They don't need to know that only water, fat and sugar actually heat up in a microwave as long as they stick to food. If they start to experiment with other things ... well, they have to understand how microwaves work. Different tools are for different users. That you don't need a certain tool, doesn't mean other people don't. Desktop search engines, or the semantic desktop as some call it, might well be the way of the crisis experienced by users dealing with huge amount of data without knowing what data actually is. BTW, desktop searching is way more than just indexing. How did the data come in? Where did it came from? Who produced it. All that kind of stuff. Metadata in short. ;-) I better stop here. Uwe -- Jack Nicholson: My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son of a bitch. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] ALSA hell : master channel permanently at zero volume, no sound
Dan Farrell ha scritto: > If you change the alsa driver source ,you may want to uninstall, then > reinstall alsa-utils after clearing /etc/asound.state. > > But i do think Hans is onto something here... Solved. It was actually a very mundane hardware issue (cables). And yes, Hans is right. At least I learned something... m. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] linux desktop search engines are ugly!
On Tue, Aug 28, 2007 at 07:54:27PM +0200, Cipher van Byte wrote: > As far as I'm concerned the structure of directories and links (hard or > symbolic) were invented to eliminate the _need_ of having such searching > engines. > > I've got every file in directory that it belongs to, and I do have "tmp" > directory where I put files that does not belong to any category on my ~/ . Then there are files which have multiple uses. Suppose I get an email which has pictures from someone's vacation, including parks, famous buildings, Aunt Josephine's garden ... how do I file that? It is easy to think of any number of files which have multiple uses. I shoot black powder guns. When I try a different powder load, or different size ball, or different patch or lube or primer, and write everything up for later comparison, how do I file that data? I don't think 1861_Springfield_Goex_2f_CCI_winged_wonderlube_577_45gr even begins to cover all the bases. I suppose I could have one file named 1861_Springfield and make links to it such as Goex_2f, CCI_winged, and so on, but that assumes I know ahead of time exactly how I will want to find it later. What if I decide that the time of day was useful, or the location, or the friends I was with? The poitn is to index it by EVERYTHING in the contents so you can find things later you would never have thought of. What if I want to find every file which mentions a friend and did not create a link to him when I created the file? How many frigging links am I supposed to create anyway? What if I want to find every file which mentions Massachusetts or thunderstorms or potted petunias? I have tried several desktop search engines and been disappointed with them all. I would love to find a good one. -- ... _._. ._ ._. . _._. ._. ___ .__ ._. . .__. ._ .. ._. Felix Finch: scarecrow repairman & rocket surgeon / [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG = E987 4493 C860 246C 3B1E 6477 7838 76E9 182E 8151 ITAR license #4933 I've found a solution to Fermat's Last Theorem but I see I've run out of room o -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] linux desktop search engines are ugly!
On Tuesday 28 August 2007, Steen Eugen Poulsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] linux desktop search engines are ugly!': >Desktop search engines is this centuries wheel invention. > >It's simply put a major breakthrough in how we work with our desktop. LOL Wow, I've got my dose of hype for the next month (or more). -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] linux desktop search engines are ugly!
On Tuesday 28 August 2007, Uwe Thiem <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] linux desktop search engines are ugly!': >Think of secretaries who aren't interested in computers but need to use > them. Think of musicians who want to use computers for composing without > really under them. Think of any person who just uses computers without > actually knowing what a file or a directory is. Computers aren't for > geeks only. Computers are tools, and thus, have some required knowledge to use them. If you don't know what a file or (directory/folder) is, you should stay away from them -- you might hurt yourself. You don't use power tools or even cars without training for the same reason. >> Using those search engines is like reinventing the wheel or programing >> embedded devices with java... ;) > >Or like inventing the next generation wheel. Think of people using a >microwave for heating up food. They know they can do that. They don't > need to know that only water, fat and sugar actually heat up in a > microwave as long as they stick to food. If they start to experiment > with other things ... well, they have to understand how microwaves work. I don't expect my users to be able to write a filesystem in C, design an IC, or understand the OSI 7 layer model. I do expect them to be able to use files and folders (a.k.a. directories). Especially since most office workers, and quite a few non-office workers use files and folders to mange their paperwork every day. I'm sure DSE will be a feature many users will like and probably even become dependent on. It's NOT the "next generation wheel", it's not even something I'll use, but it has it's place. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] linux desktop search engines are ugly!
On 8/28/07, b.n. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Shaochun Wang ha scritto: > > Hi guys: > > > > I wouldn't like, but i have to say that all current available linux > > desktop search engines are rubbish. Keep reading, and you'll know why. > > > > 1. Beagle is full of buggy. Can you imagine what makes a software > consumes > > five hundrend Megabits of memory? On my system, this beast consumes > > almost all of memory and makes my swap half full. Besides, it also > > monopolizes CPU and makes my system unusable. When you search something, > > beagle gives you some hints which is not good enough. Beagle can search > > chm, pdf etc. files. > > > > 2. Tracker is boasting itself of consuming little system resource and > > quick responding speed. It's true when compared with beagle and google > > desktop search. It consumes about twenty five megabits on idle state and > > gives you something in an acceptable time. But what can be called a > > search engine when it returns nothing you want? In other hand, tracker > > can't index chm file. > > > > 3. Google desktop search is heavy like beagle. It makes my system so > > slow that I wonder whether it is the product of google. It is source > > closed and only binary distributed. But this is unimportant, and who > > will be interested in the source of such ugly software :-) > > > > In one word, there is no useable desktop search engine for linux. > > > > > > Thanks for your opinion. Next time write it on your own blog instead of > wasting our time. > > m. > -- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list > > That was a bit harsh, don't you think? Judging by his grammar and spelling errors, English doesn't look like his first language, so cut him some slack. He was trying to convey why he didn't like the current search offerings, and if someone could point him in the direction of another one. And the answer, from these posts, seems nothing will suit him. I do however, say to you, OP, both Windows and OSX have better search features. That said, it looks like the newest version of Beagle, 0.2.18, was released yesterday. Looks like there are a lot of bug fixes in this release [1]. Looks like the newest version isn't in Portage yet (not surprising), but you can always file a bug [2] to get a version bump -- although I would wait about a week or longer before you bother the maintainer. [1] Release Notes: http://svn.gnome.org/viewcvs/beagle/trunk/beagle/NEWS?view=markup [2] BugZilla for Gentoo: http://bugs.gentoo.org/ -- - Mark Shields
Re: [gentoo-user] linux desktop search engines are ugly!
On 8/28/07, Mark Shields <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 8/28/07, b.n. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Shaochun Wang ha scritto: > > > Hi guys: > > > > > > I wouldn't like, but i have to say that all current available linux > > > desktop search engines are rubbish. Keep reading, and you'll know why. > > > > > > 1. Beagle is full of buggy. Can you imagine what makes a software > > consumes > > > five hundrend Megabits of memory? On my system, this beast consumes > > > almost all of memory and makes my swap half full. Besides, it also > > > monopolizes CPU and makes my system unusable. When you search > > something, > > > beagle gives you some hints which is not good enough. Beagle can > > search > > > chm, pdf etc. files. > > > > > > 2. Tracker is boasting itself of consuming little system resource and > > > quick responding speed. It's true when compared with beagle and google > > > desktop search. It consumes about twenty five megabits on idle state > > and > > > gives you something in an acceptable time. But what can be called a > > > search engine when it returns nothing you want? In other hand, tracker > > > can't index chm file. > > > > > > 3. Google desktop search is heavy like beagle. It makes my system so > > > slow that I wonder whether it is the product of google. It is source > > > closed and only binary distributed. But this is unimportant, and who > > > will be interested in the source of such ugly software :-) > > > > > > In one word, there is no useable desktop search engine for linux. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your opinion. Next time write it on your own blog instead of > > wasting our time. > > > > m. > > -- > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list > > > > > That was a bit harsh, don't you think? Judging by his grammar and spelling > errors, English doesn't look like his first language, so cut him some > slack. He was trying to convey why he didn't like the current search > offerings, and if someone could point him in the direction of another one. > > And the answer, from these posts, seems nothing will suit him. I do > however, say to you, OP, both Windows and OSX have better search features. > That said, it looks like the newest version of Beagle, 0.2.18, was > released yesterday. Looks like there are a lot of bug fixes in this release > [1]. Looks like the newest version isn't in Portage yet (not surprising), > but you can always file a bug [2] to get a version bump -- although I would > wait about a week or longer before you bother the maintainer. > > [1] Release Notes: > http://svn.gnome.org/viewcvs/beagle/trunk/beagle/NEWS?view=markup > [2] BugZilla for Gentoo: http://bugs.gentoo.org/ > > -- > - Mark Shields Just to note, my opinion of Windows and OSX having better search features are entirely subjective and in some cases, anecdotal. There's no point in justifying such a stance, in this case, for me. -- - Mark Shields
Re: [gentoo-user] linux desktop search engines are ugly!
There's another advantage to a desktop search engine: it can know about different file formats. Suppose you want to find everything which references New York City. If you want to use "traditional" find + grep + locate, you will have to throw "file" in the mix plus specialized "grep" to deal with pdfs, jpegs, mp3s, and all sorts of other files which plain text grep is no use on. That's not to say that the DSE isn't doing the same, but it's all part of one package. With the "traditional" tools, you have to handle all the typing yourself. -- ... _._. ._ ._. . _._. ._. ___ .__ ._. . .__. ._ .. ._. Felix Finch: scarecrow repairman & rocket surgeon / [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG = E987 4493 C860 246C 3B1E 6477 7838 76E9 182E 8151 ITAR license #4933 I've found a solution to Fermat's Last Theorem but I see I've run out of room o -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] linux desktop search engines are ugly!
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Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] advices about motherboard+cpu+fan(+soundcard) combo?
On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 13:41:39 +0200 "brullo nulla" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > IIRC, Intel onboard videocards were well > supported open source... They do a really nice job on 2D in my experience. But if you are accelerating 3d opengl in hardware, like glxgears for example, expect artifacts to the point of obscurity. for onboard, I recommend the nvidia 6150 strongly. If you aren't playing games, and even if you are playing older games, the 6150 does a really nice job. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] advices about motherboard+cpu+fan(+soundcard) combo?
On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 23:23:23 +0100 Neil Bothwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 00:05:24 +0200, b.n. wrote: > > > The onboard Intels were a good lifesaver. I'm considering an Intel > > Core Duo... what's wrong with them that AMD does right? :) > > Nothing AFAICT. I have a Core2Duo E6600, having always used AMD in the > past, and I'm very happy with it. > In fact, I _think_ core 2 duos are considered superior, generally, but expensive. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] advices about motherboard+cpu+fan(+soundcard) combo?
On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 11:36:38 +0200 Florian Philipp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'd say if you stick with AMD, try the boxed cooler and test it. > Since it's not a dedicated silent system, it might be good enough. If > you switch to Intel, buy a good cooler from the beginning. > Furthermore, be sure that your mainboard can control the fan speeds. > > I've found that the case fans are often the biggest problem, > especially the one in the front. I have an AMD64 at home (older, it's true, and single core Opteron, but overclocked about 10%) under a stock heatsink/fan, and Fan Control on the system. After fan control kicks in, it's nearly silent. I simply unplugged the case fan; it did nothing but redistribute dust from what I can tell. The system sits at 50 deg. C. The only thing that really makes any noise is the power supply. I wish I would have had the sense to get a quieter p/s, one that had better onboard fan control maybe. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] linux desktop search engines are ugly!
On Tue, Aug 28, 2007 at 11:39:44PM +0200, b.n. wrote: > His knowledge of English grammar and vocabulary has nothing to do with > the actual *contents* of his mail, it has to do with just the errors of > spelling and grammar. I'm sure he would have done the same in his mother > language. ... > Let's end it here. No, let's not. What do you know of his native language and culture? I traveled a bit in my misspent youth, learned a bit of different languages and cultures, and was constantly amazed at how some of my most basic assumptions about language and culture were upset in different countries. It may well be that in his native language and culture, his was a well reasoned (allowing for poor grammer and spelling) opening remark in a discussion. Just because it did not come across as a "proper" English question does not mean it wasn't meant to start a reasonable discussion in his own language and culture. It is incredibly arrogant to think that you know all about his background just because the only thing you know you have in common is that Engish is not your native language. -- ... _._. ._ ._. . _._. ._. ___ .__ ._. . .__. ._ .. ._. Felix Finch: scarecrow repairman & rocket surgeon / [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG = E987 4493 C860 246C 3B1E 6477 7838 76E9 182E 8151 ITAR license #4933 I've found a solution to Fermat's Last Theorem but I see I've run out of room o -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] "Treason uncloaked!" solution?
On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 20:17:17 +0200 Hans-Werner Hilse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 12:55:06 -0500 > Dan Farrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > It usually means that the other side of the TCP > > > connection reduced the window to zero size, thus leading stupid > > > TCP stacks to save information on a basically starved connection. > > > The kernel just sends an information to the log, so in case if you > > > recognize the IP and are in charge of the sender, you'll know > > > that it has a very broken TCP stack. Essentially: Just ignore > > > it, if the sender IP doesn't belong to one of your own networks. > > > > > I found a line in my Treason-related output that pointed to an > > internal IP on a distcc port. Should I be worried about this > > computer? It's running a brand new gentoo install and is solely > > for the purpose of distcc. > > Hm. I don't think so, but I'm not that deep into TCP that I could > easily tell some circumstances when such things can happen and if it > indicates a bug by all means. > > There might be a slight possibility that the packet sender was forged. > Additionally, when inside a potentially hostile LAN, you can't trust > any IP adresses. > > If it's just a single line, I'd ignore it, I think. But there's no > good reason I could give for that proposal, except of some absent > feeling that anything would be wrong. > > -hwh OK, Thanks. I am going to put | iptables -I INPUT -s 192.168.0.0/16 -i eth1 -j DROP into my firewall and see if any packets hit it I guess. It would be good to know > It depends on your uplink whether such packets can get through. whether or not that applies to mine (comcast); I thought I tested it but I suppose it probably depends on the other side of the connection as well. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: i586 install
On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 20:53:28 +0200 Volker Armin Hemmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > journaling is just a waste of space > and time. not to mention breaking compatibility with older bootloaders. not that it's likely to matter, but yet another con. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] linux desktop search engines are ugly!
Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. skrev: > LOL > > Wow, I've got my dose of hype for the next month (or more). > Sometimes it's not that hard to see the future if you have a clue, some things is just darn good. Fire, Wheel, Internet, The Web, Desktop Search Engines. People all laughed at them, but they where all break throughs, that redefined the world ever since we got them and keeps having an impact. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Server Network Configuration
On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 09:49:51 -0700 (PDT) BRM <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'll have to check into iproute2. Seems interesting...won't be able to > try until tonight (after I get home), but will certainly share the > results. > > Thanks, > > Ben. Ben, iproute2 is the latest and greatest (and i've never used it), but this is nothing you can't do easily with the old version of route. the net initscripts will set up sensible routes for an interface by default (for example, one to the subnet and, if one doesn't exist, a default gw) if these routes were getting established twice, that might have been your problem. >Routing table on the new server: >Kernel IP routing table Destination GatewayGenmask Flags Metric RefUse Iface 192.168.7.0 0.0.0.0255.255.255.0 U 0 00 eth1 192.168.6.0 0.0.0.0255.255.255.0 U 0 00 eth1 192.168.5.0 0.0.0.0255.255.255.0 U 0 00 eth1 192.168.4.0 0.0.0.0255.255.255.0 U 0 00 eth1 192.168.2.0 0.0.0.0255.255.255.0 U 0 00 eth1 192.168.8.0 0.0.0.0255.255.255.0 U 0 00 eth1 subnets 2-8 go through eth1 ... 192.168.9.0 0.0.0.0255.255.255.0 U 0 00 eth1 192.168.9.0 0.0.0.0255.255.255.0 U 0 00 eth2 wait, this is here twice; perhaps the correct one is second and never used? 192.168.0.0 0.0.0.0255.255.0.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 hey wait a minute, how can you route to 192.168/16 _and_ 192.168.x/24 at the same time? you've designated a subnet that contains many other subnets, but now you're routing to the containing subnet differently. Of am I confused? 127.0.0.0 0.0.0.0255.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 lo 0.0.0.0 x.x.x.x x.x.x.x UG0 0 0 eth0 and this looks fine. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] linux desktop search engines are ugly!
Hi, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: > On Tue, Aug 28, 2007 at 11:39:44PM +0200, b.n. wrote: > >> His knowledge of English grammar and vocabulary has nothing to do with >> the actual *contents* of his mail, it has to do with just the errors of >> spelling and grammar. I'm sure he would have done the same in his mother >> language. > ... >> Let's end it here. > > No, let's not. What do you know of his native language and culture? > I traveled a bit in my misspent youth, learned a bit of different > languages and cultures, and was constantly amazed at how some of my > most basic assumptions about language and culture were upset in > different countries. It may well be that in his native language and > culture, his was a well reasoned (allowing for poor grammer and > spelling) opening remark in a discussion. Well, it may well be and I agree with you it is a sensible possibility. But that's not my problem, it's his problem. Rude? Non-politically correct? Uncaring? Maybe -but who cares of such moral judgements (that are BTW culture-dependent too, as you of course know and I fully agree). The problem is a technical one -see later. > Just because it did not > come across as a "proper" English question does not mean it wasn't > meant to start a reasonable discussion in his own language and > culture. Possible. But he's addressing an English language mailing list, speaking in English, in a mailing list of -mostly- Western or Western-like culture (being it native or brought by the West throughout history, it doesn't matter). It's not that Western culture or the Western languages have something better than others by themselves, of course. But -like it or not- they are the standard here on this ML. It's up to him adopting the standard -not me using his own, otherwise the whole purpose of a (linguistic, cultural, netiquette) standard falls down. For example, I actually like top-posting sometimes (I think it has its place in netiquette if properly used). But the Gentoo ML doesn't like it because the standard is another and mixing standards would make reading the ML a mess. Well, it costs me nothing to adopt that standard, and (most importantly) it has practical reasons. So I follow it. The years I was a punk, rebeling for rebellion's sake, are gone with my adolescence (unfortunately :) I hate rules when they have no practical meaning, but when they make sense, well, they make sense. There are highly practical reasons for the "do not post rants to ask for help" unwritten rule: it pollutes the ML, creates useless discussions (like this one, even if I actually like it) and more often than not it doesn't help the OP (if he really wanted to be helped). I understand "tolerance". It's one of my favourite words, actually. But tolerance doesn't mean bowing down (as it is sadly often understood today). Tolerance means to get along with -but sometimes this get along requires an effort on some part. So I didn't attacked him with meaningless insults: I told him exactly what should have he done (write the rant on a blog -legit and even advisable) and why should have he done it (here his post is a waste of time, pure and simple). > It is incredibly arrogant to think that you know all about his > background just because the only thing you know you have in common is > that Engish is not your native language. No, I don't know anything about his background: but most importantly, *I shouldn't have to know anything*. I do not care about his background, nor I do want to, nor I do have to. We're on a technical mailing list that follows some conventions, and it's up to the new user of the ML understanding that. Following your line of reasoning, we're going to get along with people to post mails in Chinese or Italian or Finnish by just saying "oh well, it's up to us learning Chinese/Italian/Finnish, it's their culture, poor sons". We're going to get along with spammers and trolls because "it's their culture": where is the fine line between tolerance for your culture and non-tolerance of questionable behaviour? Technically if I'm a GNAA troll, it's a part of my own personal subculture. So you should deal with it patiently and with deep understanding? You remember maybe that months ago there was a fellow that posted something about an initiative about the mass killing of dolphins. I personally love dolphins and I hate when animals are killed without a reason. Still, I was among the many asking him to spam his s**t away. Why? Because if we begin to allow absurdly OT content, the whole purpose of a topical ML falls down. It's necessary for the survival and meaning of the ML tool itself. So, we have to find an algorithm to deal with it. There are a number of conventions that are better being followed, in this ML, on the Net, in life (there are also other that are IMHO better NOT being followed, or that are practically neutral, but that's another problem). He broke that in a disruptive manner. He is advised to change that or go awa
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] advices about motherboard+cpu+fan(+soundcard) combo?
Dan Farrell ha scritto: > On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 13:41:39 +0200 > "brullo nulla" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> IIRC, Intel onboard videocards were well >> supported open source... > > They do a really nice job on 2D in my experience. > > But if you are accelerating 3d opengl in hardware, like glxgears for > example, expect artifacts to the point of obscurity. > > for onboard, I recommend the nvidia 6150 strongly. If you aren't > playing games, and even if you are playing older games, the 6150 does a > really nice job. Good advice! m. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] where is liblapack.so.3 ?
Hi all, I am using a program doing scientific calculations, it requires liblapack.so.3. But where is it ? I have installed lapack-atlas 3.7.1, no this lib found. Thanks. Best regards, Lingyun
Re: [gentoo-user] linux desktop search engines are ugly!
On Wed, Aug 29, 2007 at 01:50:49AM +0200, b.n. wrote: > No, I don't know anything about his background: but most importantly, *I > shouldn't have to know anything*. I see. Cultural monotheism, decided by you. It couldn't possibly work the other way 'round, could it, that maybe he shouldn't have to know jack about your background? No? I thought not. Bye. Have fun with your rigidity. -- ... _._. ._ ._. . _._. ._. ___ .__ ._. . .__. ._ .. ._. Felix Finch: scarecrow repairman & rocket surgeon / [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG = E987 4493 C860 246C 3B1E 6477 7838 76E9 182E 8151 ITAR license #4933 I've found a solution to Fermat's Last Theorem but I see I've run out of room o -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] linux desktop search engines are ugly!
I see only one question (the one about memory hungry Beagle) at the OP post, and the answer is: It may be loading the whole index in memory, thus allowing faster searches. Unhappy, get more memory, or change software. Oh no, but he already concluded that all DSE for linux are bad. Strange, I used Google Desktop Search and fitted me well, maybe you just have a machine that's too slow, or haven't configured it right. Isn't CHM the default Windows help file extension? This is Linux. As for the rest of the OP mail. Its a troll, has no question, no useful comments, no suggestions, neither a request for opinions, and he ends it like a pure troll, nonsense conclusions based on personal experience. But he must be laughing out loud that you both, felix and b.n. have completely lost it, going totally off topic and starting a private discussion that should take place between you both, and only you, and most of all, outside of this mailing list. Just to follow some of the replies, I also found no good substitute for old locate, find and grep. -- Daniel da Veiga Computer Operator - RS - Brazil -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.1 GCM/IT/P/O d-? s:- a? C++$ UBLA++ P+ L++ E--- W+++$ N o+ K- w O M- V- PS PE Y PGP- t+ 5 X+++ R+* tv b+ DI+++ D+ G+ e h+ r+ y++ --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] where is liblapack.so.3 ?
On (28/08/07 22:31) Lingyun Yang wrote: > Hi all, > >I am using a program doing scientific calculations, > it requires liblapack.so.3. But where is it ? > >I have installed lapack-atlas 3.7.1, > no this lib found. > > > Thanks. > > > Best regards, > Lingyun Hi, Checked on Google - there're different package-names depending on the distribution: liblapack, lapack etc.. Debian had a virtual/lapack package which provides:liblapack.so.3 So, try making a symlink from liblapack.so.X which comes with lapack-atlas to liblapack.so.3 #qlist lapack-atlas | grep liblapack If there's no ABI change this should work. HTH. Rumen -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] linux desktop search engines are ugly!
Daniel da Veiga ha scritto: > As for the rest of the OP mail. Its a troll, has no question, no > useful comments, no suggestions, neither a request for opinions, and > he ends it like a pure troll, nonsense conclusions based on personal > experience. But he must be laughing out loud that you both, felix and > b.n. have completely lost it, going totally off topic and starting a > private discussion that should take place between you both, and only > you, and most of all, outside of this mailing list. You are absolutely right. Sorry. m. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] linux desktop search engines are ugly!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: > On Wed, Aug 29, 2007 at 01:50:49AM +0200, b.n. wrote: > >> No, I don't know anything about his background: but most importantly, *I >> shouldn't have to know anything*. > > I see. Cultural monotheism, decided by you. It couldn't possibly > work the other way 'round, could it, that maybe he shouldn't have to > know jack about your background? > > No? I thought not. I answer you in private. m. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Java Version
Stroller escribió:
On 28 Aug 2007, at 07:06, Abraham Marín Pérez wrote:
...
Your eix commands do not work, but here is the output of java -version
Merge gentoolkit and repeat those commands, they are the absolute key
;-).
eix isn't in gentoolkit.
$ eix eix
[I] app-portage/eix
Available versions: 0.8.8 ~0.9.1 ~0.9.4 ~0.9.8 0.9.9 ~0.9.10
{sqlite}
Installed versions: 0.9.9(10:23:48 08/01/07)(-sqlite)
Homepage:http://eix.sourceforge.net
Description: Small utility for searching ebuilds with
indexing for fast results
$
`emerge eix` is how you get eix.
Stroller.
My mistake... It's such a useful tool I had associated it to standard
Gentoo tools :-P.
Abraham
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