[Google Wave APIs] Re: Google Wave Inbox Notification tool for the Windows Desktop

[Sres]

I assume this project is dead?

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[Google Wave APIs] Re: Google Wave Inbox Notification tool for the Windows Desktop

[Oliver Baker]

Hi All,

The link in the quoted text above me for the Wave Post is wrong, the link
is
https://wave.google.com/wave/#restored:wave:googlewave.com!w%252BbTKibG6gA

Please
be aware that the program is being redesigned completely (the user
interface), and new messages received will be displayed in a quick popup
like in Microsoft Outlook, as Windows 7 is effectively phasing out the
Notify Section and Notify Icons are now being hidden a lot more. The link
above will explain some of my ideas for this project.

As I have said before, the version of this program that currently checks
Waves does not use Google's API, as far as I am aware Google Wave does not
have an API for what this program does, however, as soon as an API is
released this program will use the API provided and the current method used
will not be used.

I love suggestions people make, I am more likely though to have suggestions
kept if they are posted on the Google Wave (the link provided), as with more
replies suggestions can be quickly lost in the discussion.

Other Notes:

I am well aware many people would love me to code this application in many
different languages, however I will be creating this application in VB.net.
When the application is finished I may consider re-writing this application
in a different language. However, any of you are welcome to re-write my
application in any language you desire, the code is available on The Google
Code Project.

We are currently playing around with the design of the user interface, and I
will be uploading some sketches of design ideas onto this projects wave. If
the Google Wave API needed is released before the design is finished an
application will be written up to use the API while the User Interface part
is finished.

IMPORTANT NOTES ABOUT THE CURRENT RELEASE:

The current release does not accept proxies, I will not be including proxy
support until the API is released by Google. (Sorry).

Sometimes the Application decides it will not connect to a Wave server,
Please make sure that Google Chrome Frame is installed onto Internet
Explorer. If you do have Google Chrome Frame installed and the app still
doesn't work you can always try adding wave.google.com to internet explorers
Safe Sites list (I do not recommend this though). ALSO, don't forget to
right click on the Notify Icon, go to your waves list and click the login
button if it is available, If this button is not available and you can't
view your waves your out of luck sorry until the API is released.

Regards,
Oliver Baker

On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 9:45 AM, Tobias  wrote:

>
> I thought it was a public wave, which you could join by following the
> link.
> But if I underderstand you correct, Sam, one need to be af participant
> already.
>
> Is there a way which one easily can join these waves?
> Just wondering, because i've seen these links several places, where it
> seems to have the funktion of a forum-like wave.
>
> On Oct 27, 10:08 am, Sam Osborne  wrote:
> > May be if you're not a participant...
> >
> > 2009/10/26 Tobias 
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > Nice one.
> >
> > > A desktop notifier is essential for any messaging system.
> > > Some small sugestions of further development:
> > > Highlighting of the deskbar icon when there're new waves would be
> > > really nice.
> > > A possibility to force a recheck of the wave account.
> >
> > > An other thing:
> > > How do one opens a google wave link: eg:
> >
> > >https://wave.google.com/wave/#restored:wave:googlewave.com!w%252BbTKi..
> . .>
> > > When I open it, I just go to my wave inbox, with no new wave added.-
> Hide quoted text -
> >
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> >
>

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[Google Wave APIs] Re: Google Wave Inbox Notification tool for the Windows Desktop

[Tobias]

I thought it was a public wave, which you could join by following the
link.
But if I underderstand you correct, Sam, one need to be af participant
already.

Is there a way which one easily can join these waves?
Just wondering, because i've seen these links several places, where it
seems to have the funktion of a forum-like wave.

On Oct 27, 10:08 am, Sam Osborne  wrote:
> May be if you're not a participant...
>
> 2009/10/26 Tobias 
>
>
>
>
>
> > Nice one.
>
> > A desktop notifier is essential for any messaging system.
> > Some small sugestions of further development:
> > Highlighting of the deskbar icon when there're new waves would be
> > really nice.
> > A possibility to force a recheck of the wave account.
>
> > An other thing:
> > How do one opens a google wave link: eg:
>
> >https://wave.google.com/wave/#restored:wave:googlewave.com!w%252BbTKi...
> > When I open it, I just go to my wave inbox, with no new wave added.- Hide 
> > quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

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[Google Wave APIs] Re: Google Wave Inbox Notification tool for the Windows Desktop

[pamela (Google Employee)]

The AIR technology can be used with JavaScript or ActionScript3. It is
commonly used with the latter because of it's association with Flex
development, however. The most popular app written using AIR is TweetDeck.
AIR lets you create desktop-like apps which can do offline storage,
notification, etc. One could also use the Gears plugin or HTML5 to
accomplish desktop-like functionality within a webapp.

- pamela

On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 7:23 AM, Sam Osborne wrote:

> That's not a bad idea.. Though I'm not sure what language AIR is...
>
> 2009/10/27 Felipe Fernandes 
>
> It is possible build an adobe air application for do this?
>>
>> abs
>>
>> Felipe Fernandes | WebDesigner
>> www.happyfish.com.br
>> @felipefernandes (twitter)
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 07:08, Sam Osborne 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> May be if you're not a participant...
>>>
>>> 2009/10/26 Tobias 
>>>
>>>
 Nice one.

 A desktop notifier is essential for any messaging system.
 Some small sugestions of further development:
 Highlighting of the deskbar icon when there're new waves would be
 really nice.
 A possibility to force a recheck of the wave account.


 An other thing:
 How do one opens a google wave link: eg:

 https://wave.google.com/wave/#restored:wave:googlewave.com!w%252BbTKibG6gA.1
 When I open it, I just go to my wave inbox, with no new wave added.



>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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> >
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[Google Wave APIs] Re: Google Wave Inbox Notification tool for the Windows Desktop

[Sam Osborne]

That's not a bad idea.. Though I'm not sure what language AIR is...

2009/10/27 Felipe Fernandes 

> It is possible build an adobe air application for do this?
>
> abs
>
> Felipe Fernandes | WebDesigner
> www.happyfish.com.br
> @felipefernandes (twitter)
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>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 07:08, Sam Osborne wrote:
>
>> May be if you're not a participant...
>>
>> 2009/10/26 Tobias 
>>
>>
>>> Nice one.
>>>
>>> A desktop notifier is essential for any messaging system.
>>> Some small sugestions of further development:
>>> Highlighting of the deskbar icon when there're new waves would be
>>> really nice.
>>> A possibility to force a recheck of the wave account.
>>>
>>>
>>> An other thing:
>>> How do one opens a google wave link: eg:
>>>
>>> https://wave.google.com/wave/#restored:wave:googlewave.com!w%252BbTKibG6gA.1
>>> When I open it, I just go to my wave inbox, with no new wave added.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> >
>

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[Google Wave APIs] Re: Google Wave Inbox Notification tool for the Windows Desktop

[Felipe Fernandes]

It is possible build an adobe air application for do this?

abs

Felipe Fernandes | WebDesigner
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On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 07:08, Sam Osborne wrote:

> May be if you're not a participant...
>
> 2009/10/26 Tobias 
>
>
>> Nice one.
>>
>> A desktop notifier is essential for any messaging system.
>> Some small sugestions of further development:
>> Highlighting of the deskbar icon when there're new waves would be
>> really nice.
>> A possibility to force a recheck of the wave account.
>>
>>
>> An other thing:
>> How do one opens a google wave link: eg:
>>
>> https://wave.google.com/wave/#restored:wave:googlewave.com!w%252BbTKibG6gA.1
>> When I open it, I just go to my wave inbox, with no new wave added.
>>
>>
>>
>
> >
>

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[Google Wave APIs] Re: Google Wave Inbox Notification tool for the Windows Desktop

[Sam Osborne]

May be if you're not a participant...

2009/10/26 Tobias 

>
> Nice one.
>
> A desktop notifier is essential for any messaging system.
> Some small sugestions of further development:
> Highlighting of the deskbar icon when there're new waves would be
> really nice.
> A possibility to force a recheck of the wave account.
>
>
> An other thing:
> How do one opens a google wave link: eg:
>
> https://wave.google.com/wave/#restored:wave:googlewave.com!w%252BbTKibG6gA.1
> When I open it, I just go to my wave inbox, with no new wave added.
>
> >
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[Google Wave APIs] Re: Google Wave Inbox Notification tool for the Windows Desktop

[Tobias]

Nice one.

A desktop notifier is essential for any messaging system.
Some small sugestions of further development:
Highlighting of the deskbar icon when there're new waves would be
really nice.
A possibility to force a recheck of the wave account.


An other thing:
How do one opens a google wave link: eg:
https://wave.google.com/wave/#restored:wave:googlewave.com!w%252BbTKibG6gA.1
When I open it, I just go to my wave inbox, with no new wave added.

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[Google Wave APIs] Re: Google Wave Inbox Notification tool for the Windows Desktop

[Sam Osborne]

Afternoon! Just thought I'd jump in and say the following:

I opened the app up for the first time this evening.. Not sure what's
actually supposed to be happening, but I like the native feel of the bubble
that says signed in. I cleared up my wave inbox earlier today (read
EVERYTHING new) and, to my understanding, the app will update once I get a
new message? Until then, it looks pretty good.. the systray icon may need
some changing, maybe make it transparent? Looks a bit odd on my taskbar..
Just my thoughts..

So far, it seems to be doing the job rather well! Though maybe an icon on
the executable... Just a thought, I like the look of things (which is why I
lurve Ubuntu).

2009/10/23 olemis 

>
>
> On Oct 15, 1:56 pm, Sam Osborne  wrote:
> > Ok.. I can interpret VB.net... Ish.. Now I want to know two things:
> >
> >- How did you manage to get the APIs from whatever language they're in
> >(Java/Python I think) to VB?
> >- Where's the source? I wanna see if I can get the source, translate
> it
> >into C++, and then get it to run in Linux..
> >
> > 2009/10/15 Oliver Baker 
> >
> > > Hi Sam,
> > > The Application is made in Visual Basic .net 3.5 (Yes, I am only 17,
> still
> > > studying for a Bachelors and VB is easier than C# and obviously C/C++).
> >
>
> Did anybody mentioned Python ? It's multi-platform, powerful, easy
> and ... you're gonna love it !
>
> ;o)
>
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>
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[Google Wave APIs] Re: Google Wave Inbox Notification tool for the Windows Desktop

[olemis]

On Oct 15, 1:56 pm, Sam Osborne  wrote:
> Ok.. I can interpret VB.net... Ish.. Now I want to know two things:
>
>    - How did you manage to get the APIs from whatever language they're in
>    (Java/Python I think) to VB?
>    - Where's the source? I wanna see if I can get the source, translate it
>    into C++, and then get it to run in Linux..
>
> 2009/10/15 Oliver Baker 
>
> > Hi Sam,
> > The Application is made in Visual Basic .net 3.5 (Yes, I am only 17, still
> > studying for a Bachelors and VB is easier than C# and obviously C/C++).
>

Did anybody mentioned Python ? It's multi-platform, powerful, easy
and ... you're gonna love it !

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[Google Wave APIs] Re: Google Wave Inbox Notification tool for the Windows Desktop

[Karim Yaghmour]

Not sure if it had been suggested, but FWIW C# would be a good
candidate.
It's not too far from VB and Mono works on Mac and Linux alike.

HTH,

Karim Yaghmour

On Oct 15, 4:16 pm, Oliver Baker  wrote:
> Hi Again,
> I see your point Sam.
>
> The only problem is I can't code in C++, and the plans that I have for this
> application would go well beyond the capability of me learning within a few
> days.
>
> Also it would mean I would not be able to Bug Fix my own application for a
> while and would have to rely on others doing it for me which could be pretty
> dangerous.
>
> I don't mind you creating a C++ version of my App, at the moment I am
> creating a new GUI interface for the Application.
> I will not be able to help you create the C++ version, since I am going to
> have to start learning C++ real fast.
>
> I am going to put up some Future designs for the application including an
> example Preview of the applications dialog window in the wave 
> :https://wave.google.com/wave/?pli=1#restored:wave:googlewave.com!w%25...
>  .
>
> Anyway, I will put up the current source of the application within the
> next couple of hours.
>
> I wouldn't mind this all being done in C++, but I have to be careful I start
> going into something I can't do. I don't want to ruin myself.
>
> Regards,
> Oliver Baker
>
> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 8:49 AM, Sam Osborne 
> wrote:
>
> > 1: Ok.
>
> > 2: No, not make my own project based on yours, help you to translate it. If
> > you turn it into C++ (which, if you can't do, I'll try to do) it'll be able
> > to run on Windows, Mac AND Linux.
> > I'd be having a look at the VB code, learn how the parts I'm not sure about
> > work and what their C++ equivalents are.
> > It's simply because of the fact that .net programs cannot be run on Mac or
> > Linux, where some Wave users are. You could TRY getting it to run on AIR,
> > but I'm not sure how that works :S
> > You may want to look at C++ For 
> > Dummies
>
> > 2009/10/15 Oliver Baker 
>
> >> Hi Sam,
> >> *Answer to your First Question:*
>
> >> If you read the whole post you will know I have been given permission by
> >> Google to (For This Application only) Breach Condition L of  the Google 
> >> Wave
> >> Program Policy until the relative API is released by Google.
>
> >> Which means that there is no current API for what I have done.
>
> >> *Answer to your second question.*
>
> >> I am assuming that you want to create your own project based on my source
> >> code Seems pretty harsh Sam.
>
> >> The Main part of my application that you probably want to obtain is the
> >> part which obtains the information. When the API comes out, my applications
> >> source to you that you currently want would be near pointless
>
> >> The source will be put up on Google Code soon (Within 2-3 days) since
> >> parts of it have to be re-written. I don't mind you using my source code.
> >> But I am trusting people not to pull a fast one on me.
>
> >> Hope that answers your questions.
>
> >> Regards,
> >> Oliver Baker
>
> >> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 7:56 AM, Sam Osborne  >> > wrote:
>
> >>> Ok.. I can interpret VB.net... Ish.. Now I want to know two things:
>
> >>>    - How did you manage to get the APIs from whatever language they're
> >>>    in (Java/Python I think) to VB?
> >>>    - Where's the source? I wanna see if I can get the source, translate
> >>>    it into C++, and then get it to run in Linux..
>
> >>> 2009/10/15 Oliver Baker 
>
>  Hi Sam,
>  The Application is made in Visual Basic .net 3.5 (Yes, I am only 17,
>  still studying for a Bachelors and VB is easier than C# and obviously
>  C/C++).
>
>  On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 7:23 AM, Sam Osborne <
>  sam.tosbo...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> > What language is it made in?
>
> > 2009/10/15 Oliver Baker 
>
> > Hi All,
> >> I have good news!!!
>
> >> Pamela has allowed me to continue developing and displaying my
> >> application using its current "Scrapping" method until the API comes 
> >> out.
>
> >> I have put the Application back on Google Code and will shortly be
> >> releasing an update which fixes the Proxy Authentication issue.
>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Oliver Baker
>
> >> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:38 AM, kim3er  wrote:
>
> >>> Thanks for clearing that up, I was a bit taken back by the use of the
> >>> word illegal for scraping websites. I suspect that we will start to
> >>> see the nature of scraping change in the near future as websites
> >>> become the API. Pages written in valid XHTML/HTML 5 with meaningful
> >>> naming conventions (like micro formats). I don't think scraping can
> >>> be
> >>> a dirty word anymore. But I can understand the need for a company
> >>> like
> >>> Google to control where and how the bandwidth is used.
>
> >>> Rich
>
> >>> On Oct 14, 4:11 am, "pamela (Google Employee)" 
> >>> wrote:
> >>

[Google Wave APIs] Re: Google Wave Inbox Notification tool for the Windows Desktop

[Sam Osborne]

I'm on Windows so shall be trying it out over the weekend..

2009/10/23 Eric Dorman 

>
> Hey Oliver,
>
> Did you use the Embed API to make this with it?
>
> This is a great idea.
>
> Thanks & God Bless,
> Eric
>
> On Oct 15, 3:49 pm, Sam Osborne  wrote:
> > 1: Ok.
> >
> > 2: No, not make my own project based on yours, help you to translate it.
> If
> > you turn it into C++ (which, if you can't do, I'll try to do) it'll be
> able
> > to run on Windows, Mac AND Linux.
> > I'd be having a look at the VB code, learn how the parts I'm not sure
> about
> > work and what their C++ equivalents are.
> > It's simply because of the fact that .net programs cannot be run on Mac
> or
> > Linux, where some Wave users are. You could TRY getting it to run on AIR,
> > but I'm not sure how that works :S
> > You may want to look at C++ For
> > Dummies
> >
> > 2009/10/15 Oliver Baker 
> >
> > > Hi Sam,
> > > *Answer to your First Question:*
> >
> > > If you read the whole post you will know I have been given permission
> by
> > > Google to (For This Application only) Breach Condition L of  the Google
> Wave
> > > Program Policy until the relative API is released by Google.
> >
> > > Which means that there is no current API for what I have done.
> >
> > > *Answer to your second question.*
> >
> > > I am assuming that you want to create your own project based on my
> source
> > > code Seems pretty harsh Sam.
> >
> > > The Main part of my application that you probably want to obtain is the
> > > part which obtains the information. When the API comes out, my
> applications
> > > source to you that you currently want would be near pointless
> >
> > > The source will be put up on Google Code soon (Within 2-3 days) since
> parts
> > > of it have to be re-written. I don't mind you using my source code. But
> I am
> > > trusting people not to pull a fast one on me.
> >
> > > Hope that answers your questions.
> >
> > > Regards,
> > > Oliver Baker
> >
> > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 7:56 AM, Sam Osborne <
> sam.tosbo...@googlemail.com>wrote:
> >
> > >> Ok.. I can interpret VB.net... Ish.. Now I want to know two things:
> >
> > >>- How did you manage to get the APIs from whatever language they're
> in
> > >>(Java/Python I think) to VB?
> > >>- Where's the source? I wanna see if I can get the source,
> translate
> > >>it into C++, and then get it to run in Linux..
> >
> > >> 2009/10/15 Oliver Baker 
> >
> > >>> Hi Sam,
> > >>> The Application is made in Visual Basic .net 3.5 (Yes, I am only 17,
> > >>> still studying for a Bachelors and VB is easier than C# and obviously
> > >>> C/C++).
> >
> > >>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 7:23 AM, Sam Osborne <
> > >>> sam.tosbo...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >
> >  What language is it made in?
> >
> >  2009/10/15 Oliver Baker 
> >
> >  Hi All,
> > > I have good news!!!
> >
> > > Pamela has allowed me to continue developing and displaying my
> > > application using its current "Scrapping" method until the API
> comes out.
> >
> > > I have put the Application back on Google Code and will shortly be
> > > releasing an update which fixes the Proxy Authentication issue.
> >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Oliver Baker
> >
> > > On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:38 AM, kim3er 
> wrote:
> >
> > >> Thanks for clearing that up, I was a bit taken back by the use of
> the
> > >> word illegal for scraping websites. I suspect that we will start
> to
> > >> see the nature of scraping change in the near future as websites
> > >> become the API. Pages written in valid XHTML/HTML 5 with
> meaningful
> > >> naming conventions (like micro formats). I don't think scraping
> can be
> > >> a dirty word anymore. But I can understand the need for a company
> like
> > >> Google to control where and how the bandwidth is used.
> >
> > >> Rich
> >
> > >> On Oct 14, 4:11 am, "pamela (Google Employee)" <
> pamela...@gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >> > Sure, good point, let me clarify, though please keep in mind
> that
> > >> I'm not a
> > >> > lawyer...
> >
> > >> > According to the Google Wave terms of use, it is not permitted
> to
> > >> "modify,
> > >> > adapt, translate, or reverse engineer any portion of the Service
> > >> unless
> > >> > expressly authorized". In Oliver's prototype, he essentially
> reverse
> > >> > engineered the client display mechanism to extract the content.
> You
> > >> can read
> > >> > more of the policies at:
> > >>http://wave.google.com/help/wave/program_policies.html
> >
> > >> > Once we have an API to let you programmatically extract the
> content
> > >> -- which
> > >> > is something we're working on -- then that API could be used to
> > >> build this
> > >> > prototype without having to reverse engineer. Another thing to
> > >> consider,
> > >> > more in the wave protocol effort, would b

[Google Wave APIs] Re: Google Wave Inbox Notification tool for the Windows Desktop

[Eric Dorman]

Hey Oliver,

Did you use the Embed API to make this with it?

This is a great idea.

Thanks & God Bless,
Eric

On Oct 15, 3:49 pm, Sam Osborne  wrote:
> 1: Ok.
>
> 2: No, not make my own project based on yours, help you to translate it. If
> you turn it into C++ (which, if you can't do, I'll try to do) it'll be able
> to run on Windows, Mac AND Linux.
> I'd be having a look at the VB code, learn how the parts I'm not sure about
> work and what their C++ equivalents are.
> It's simply because of the fact that .net programs cannot be run on Mac or
> Linux, where some Wave users are. You could TRY getting it to run on AIR,
> but I'm not sure how that works :S
> You may want to look at C++ For
> Dummies
>
> 2009/10/15 Oliver Baker 
>
> > Hi Sam,
> > *Answer to your First Question:*
>
> > If you read the whole post you will know I have been given permission by
> > Google to (For This Application only) Breach Condition L of  the Google Wave
> > Program Policy until the relative API is released by Google.
>
> > Which means that there is no current API for what I have done.
>
> > *Answer to your second question.*
>
> > I am assuming that you want to create your own project based on my source
> > code Seems pretty harsh Sam.
>
> > The Main part of my application that you probably want to obtain is the
> > part which obtains the information. When the API comes out, my applications
> > source to you that you currently want would be near pointless
>
> > The source will be put up on Google Code soon (Within 2-3 days) since parts
> > of it have to be re-written. I don't mind you using my source code. But I am
> > trusting people not to pull a fast one on me.
>
> > Hope that answers your questions.
>
> > Regards,
> > Oliver Baker
>
> > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 7:56 AM, Sam Osborne 
> > wrote:
>
> >> Ok.. I can interpret VB.net... Ish.. Now I want to know two things:
>
> >>    - How did you manage to get the APIs from whatever language they're in
> >>    (Java/Python I think) to VB?
> >>    - Where's the source? I wanna see if I can get the source, translate
> >>    it into C++, and then get it to run in Linux..
>
> >> 2009/10/15 Oliver Baker 
>
> >>> Hi Sam,
> >>> The Application is made in Visual Basic .net 3.5 (Yes, I am only 17,
> >>> still studying for a Bachelors and VB is easier than C# and obviously
> >>> C/C++).
>
> >>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 7:23 AM, Sam Osborne <
> >>> sam.tosbo...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>  What language is it made in?
>
>  2009/10/15 Oliver Baker 
>
>  Hi All,
> > I have good news!!!
>
> > Pamela has allowed me to continue developing and displaying my
> > application using its current "Scrapping" method until the API comes 
> > out.
>
> > I have put the Application back on Google Code and will shortly be
> > releasing an update which fixes the Proxy Authentication issue.
>
> > Thanks,
> > Oliver Baker
>
> > On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:38 AM, kim3er  wrote:
>
> >> Thanks for clearing that up, I was a bit taken back by the use of the
> >> word illegal for scraping websites. I suspect that we will start to
> >> see the nature of scraping change in the near future as websites
> >> become the API. Pages written in valid XHTML/HTML 5 with meaningful
> >> naming conventions (like micro formats). I don't think scraping can be
> >> a dirty word anymore. But I can understand the need for a company like
> >> Google to control where and how the bandwidth is used.
>
> >> Rich
>
> >> On Oct 14, 4:11 am, "pamela (Google Employee)" 
> >> wrote:
> >> > Sure, good point, let me clarify, though please keep in mind that
> >> I'm not a
> >> > lawyer...
>
> >> > According to the Google Wave terms of use, it is not permitted to
> >> "modify,
> >> > adapt, translate, or reverse engineer any portion of the Service
> >> unless
> >> > expressly authorized". In Oliver's prototype, he essentially reverse
> >> > engineered the client display mechanism to extract the content. You
> >> can read
> >> > more of the policies at:
> >>http://wave.google.com/help/wave/program_policies.html
>
> >> > Once we have an API to let you programmatically extract the content
> >> -- which
> >> > is something we're working on -- then that API could be used to
> >> build this
> >> > prototype without having to reverse engineer. Another thing to
> >> consider,
> >> > more in the wave protocol effort, would be a client/server protocol
> >> -- but
> >> > things are early there at the moment.
>
> >> > - pamela
>
> >> > On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Joe Developer <
> >> joe.d.develo...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> >> > > On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 7:42 AM, pamela (Google Employee) <
> >> > > pamela...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> > >> Hey Oliver-
> >> > >> I responded to you offline, but will also

[Google Wave APIs] Re: Google Wave Inbox Notification tool for the Windows Desktop

[Sascha]

To put my two cents in,

I would recommend eclipse + java + swt
for a portable and good performing gui.

Enjoy!


On Oct 15, 10:16 pm, Oliver Baker  wrote:
> Hi Again,
> I see your point Sam.
>
> The only problem is I can't code in C++, and the plans that I have for this
> application would go well beyond the capability of me learning within a few
> days.
>
> Also it would mean I would not be able to Bug Fix my own application for a
> while and would have to rely on others doing it for me which could be pretty
> dangerous.
>
> I don't mind you creating a C++ version of my App, at the moment I am
> creating a new GUI interface for the Application.
> I will not be able to help you create the C++ version, since I am going to
> have to start learning C++ real fast.
>
> I am going to put up some Future designs for the application including an
> example Preview of the applications dialog window in the wave 
> :https://wave.google.com/wave/?pli=1#restored:wave:googlewave.com!w%25...
>  .
>
> Anyway, I will put up the current source of the application within the
> next couple of hours.
>
> I wouldn't mind this all being done in C++, but I have to be careful I start
> going into something I can't do. I don't want to ruin myself.
>
> Regards,
> Oliver Baker
>
> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 8:49 AM, Sam Osborne 
> wrote:
>
> > 1: Ok.
>
> > 2: No, not make my own project based on yours, help you to translate it. If
> > you turn it into C++ (which, if you can't do, I'll try to do) it'll be able
> > to run on Windows, Mac AND Linux.
> > I'd be having a look at the VB code, learn how the parts I'm not sure about
> > work and what their C++ equivalents are.
> > It's simply because of the fact that .net programs cannot be run on Mac or
> > Linux, where some Wave users are. You could TRY getting it to run on AIR,
> > but I'm not sure how that works :S
> > You may want to look at C++ For 
> > Dummies
>
> > 2009/10/15 Oliver Baker 
>
> >> Hi Sam,
> >> *Answer to your First Question:*
>
> >> If you read the whole post you will know I have been given permission by
> >> Google to (For This Application only) Breach Condition L of  the Google 
> >> Wave
> >> Program Policy until the relative API is released by Google.
>
> >> Which means that there is no current API for what I have done.
>
> >> *Answer to your second question.*
>
> >> I am assuming that you want to create your own project based on my source
> >> code Seems pretty harsh Sam.
>
> >> The Main part of my application that you probably want to obtain is the
> >> part which obtains the information. When the API comes out, my applications
> >> source to you that you currently want would be near pointless
>
> >> The source will be put up on Google Code soon (Within 2-3 days) since
> >> parts of it have to be re-written. I don't mind you using my source code.
> >> But I am trusting people not to pull a fast one on me.
>
> >> Hope that answers your questions.
>
> >> Regards,
> >> Oliver Baker
>
> >> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 7:56 AM, Sam Osborne  >> > wrote:
>
> >>> Ok.. I can interpret VB.net... Ish.. Now I want to know two things:
>
> >>>    - How did you manage to get the APIs from whatever language they're
> >>>    in (Java/Python I think) to VB?
> >>>    - Where's the source? I wanna see if I can get the source, translate
> >>>    it into C++, and then get it to run in Linux..
>
> >>> 2009/10/15 Oliver Baker 
>
>  Hi Sam,
>  The Application is made in Visual Basic .net 3.5 (Yes, I am only 17,
>  still studying for a Bachelors and VB is easier than C# and obviously
>  C/C++).
>
>  On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 7:23 AM, Sam Osborne <
>  sam.tosbo...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> > What language is it made in?
>
> > 2009/10/15 Oliver Baker 
>
> > Hi All,
> >> I have good news!!!
>
> >> Pamela has allowed me to continue developing and displaying my
> >> application using its current "Scrapping" method until the API comes 
> >> out.
>
> >> I have put the Application back on Google Code and will shortly be
> >> releasing an update which fixes the Proxy Authentication issue.
>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Oliver Baker
>
> >> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:38 AM, kim3er  wrote:
>
> >>> Thanks for clearing that up, I was a bit taken back by the use of the
> >>> word illegal for scraping websites. I suspect that we will start to
> >>> see the nature of scraping change in the near future as websites
> >>> become the API. Pages written in valid XHTML/HTML 5 with meaningful
> >>> naming conventions (like micro formats). I don't think scraping can
> >>> be
> >>> a dirty word anymore. But I can understand the need for a company
> >>> like
> >>> Google to control where and how the bandwidth is used.
>
> >>> Rich
>
> >>> On Oct 14, 4:11 am, "pamela (Google Employee)" 
> >>> wrote:
> >>> > Sure, good point, let me clarify, though pl

[Google Wave APIs] Re: Google Wave Inbox Notification tool for the Windows Desktop

[Oliver Baker]

Hi All,
PROGRESS UPDATE!

In case you all haven't noticed yet I have uploaded the source of the
project to the Google code Project.
I have also been working on this project with a friend and he has been
helping me sort out bugs and make improvements.

I have redone the Dialog Base, it looks much much better. I still haven't
finished refining it for use in the application, but I will be releasing a
download on Google Code called Dialog Base rebuild preview.

All of the controls I have created have now been moved into a Control
Library and will be made available for use by the public.

The Context menu is still under development and will hopefully be made
available for use within the next week or two (I have a long weekend since
its Labour Day Weekend over here so I should be able to get it done soon.

I would love comments and feedback on this project. I do read all the
feedback I get. I do take action on almost all the feedback I get (If you
start saying my projects crap etc... and I shouldn't do this blah blah
blah. I will not take much notice.). I do like negative comments though as
long as they are constructive.

I an still waiting on the API to be released. When the API is released I
will put the project into overdrive if it is not already finished.

When the API does come out, if the design of the project is not finished I
will try to quickly release an app which will let you use the API with a
basic interface (this is if somebody doesn't beat me to it).

Hope people are still interested.

Regards,
Oliver Baker

On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 6:57 PM, Oliver Baker  wrote:

> Hi Andrew,
> Yes, I saw that.
>
> I haven't tried it yet though.
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 4:11 PM, Andrew Red  wrote:
>
>> Hi Oliver,
>> I'm sorry, but I got board, so I wrote some code to launch a window from
>> the notifaction area.
>>
>> I posted the code on your wave (
>> https://wave.google.com/a/wavesandbox.com/#restored:wave:wavesandbox.com!w%252BG0TCUy7kA.1
>> )
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 12:05 PM, Andrew Red wrote:
>>
>>> Nice. are you going to add the AnimateWindow function? This allows
>>> sliding windows (like gtalk) and it is easy (ish) to use.
>>> I got my sandbox on October 14th, and the previews were sent out on
>>> October 1st (i think)...
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Oliver Baker wrote:
>>>
 Hi Andrew,
 Here is the link to the WaveSandbox one.

 (You really should consult with the Google Team about why you don't have
 a preview account if you have a sandbox account) unless of course you are
 cheating the system.


 https://wave.google.com/a/wavesandbox.com/#restored:wave:wavesandbox.com!w%252BG0TCUy7kA


 Have
 fun,
 Oliver Baker


 On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 6:34 PM, Andrew Red wrote:

> @Oliver,
> Could you (or someone else) post the design photos on the wavesandbox?
> (I don't have a preview account :(  )
>
> Thx
> Andrew
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 9:49 AM, Oliver Baker wrote:
>
>> Hi Smloa,
>> I could debug a C++ app right now even though I don't know how to code
>> in C++. I am currently studying a Bachelor of Information Systems in New
>> Zealand, and it is my intentions to come and work for Google as a 
>> Programmer
>> when I leave MIT (New Zealand). I am only 17 so I have a little while to 
>> go
>> yet, however I still need to have 3 years experience programming and one 
>> of
>> the languages you need to know for Google is C++ (or C, forgot which). 
>> And
>> since people want me to code in C++ I think that it would be in my best
>> interests to do so as well, it would give me my best opportunity given my
>> learning style to learn C++.
>>
>> I don't disagree with you, I think I will continue to code in VB.NETand 
>> then maybe work on the C++ with Sam in my spare time. But I don't think
>> I would ignore Sam though.
>>
>> At the moment I can Code VB.net, some C#, HTML, Javascript, JAVA. but
>> I need to know a whole heap more. and I don't learn from books, I learn 
>> from
>> doing it. So Sam has unknowingly given me the best opportunity to learn 
>> how
>> to code in C++.
>>
>> I will continue to code in VB.NET.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Oliver
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 11:36 AM, Smola wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> Oliver, I don't see how Sam's translating has anything to do with
>>> your
>>> progress developing your app.  You go on your merry way developing
>>> your Windows app as your original intent implies.  And if Sam chooses
>>> to try and translate, then way to go for him.  Whether he finishes it
>>> or not or has a different GUI has no bearing on your own personal
>>> progress on the app.  If

[Google Wave APIs] Re: Google Wave Inbox Notification tool for the Windows Desktop

[Oliver Baker]

Hi Andrew,
Yes, I saw that.

I haven't tried it yet though.

On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 4:11 PM, Andrew Red  wrote:

> Hi Oliver,
> I'm sorry, but I got board, so I wrote some code to launch a window from
> the notifaction area.
>
> I posted the code on your wave (
> https://wave.google.com/a/wavesandbox.com/#restored:wave:wavesandbox.com!w%252BG0TCUy7kA.1
> )
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 12:05 PM, Andrew Red  wrote:
>
>> Nice. are you going to add the AnimateWindow function? This allows sliding
>> windows (like gtalk) and it is easy (ish) to use.
>> I got my sandbox on October 14th, and the previews were sent out on
>> October 1st (i think)...
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Oliver Baker  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Andrew,
>>> Here is the link to the WaveSandbox one.
>>>
>>> (You really should consult with the Google Team about why you don't have
>>> a preview account if you have a sandbox account) unless of course you are
>>> cheating the system.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://wave.google.com/a/wavesandbox.com/#restored:wave:wavesandbox.com!w%252BG0TCUy7kA
>>>
>>>
>>> Have
>>> fun,
>>> Oliver Baker
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 6:34 PM, Andrew Red wrote:
>>>
 @Oliver,
 Could you (or someone else) post the design photos on the wavesandbox?
 (I don't have a preview account :(  )

 Thx
 Andrew


 On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 9:49 AM, Oliver Baker wrote:

> Hi Smloa,
> I could debug a C++ app right now even though I don't know how to code
> in C++. I am currently studying a Bachelor of Information Systems in New
> Zealand, and it is my intentions to come and work for Google as a 
> Programmer
> when I leave MIT (New Zealand). I am only 17 so I have a little while to 
> go
> yet, however I still need to have 3 years experience programming and one 
> of
> the languages you need to know for Google is C++ (or C, forgot which). And
> since people want me to code in C++ I think that it would be in my best
> interests to do so as well, it would give me my best opportunity given my
> learning style to learn C++.
>
> I don't disagree with you, I think I will continue to code in VB.NETand 
> then maybe work on the C++ with Sam in my spare time. But I don't think
> I would ignore Sam though.
>
> At the moment I can Code VB.net, some C#, HTML, Javascript, JAVA. but I
> need to know a whole heap more. and I don't learn from books, I learn from
> doing it. So Sam has unknowingly given me the best opportunity to learn 
> how
> to code in C++.
>
> I will continue to code in VB.NET.
>
> Thanks,
> Oliver
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 11:36 AM, Smola  wrote:
>
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> Oliver, I don't see how Sam's translating has anything to do with your
>> progress developing your app.  You go on your merry way developing
>> your Windows app as your original intent implies.  And if Sam chooses
>> to try and translate, then way to go for him.  Whether he finishes it
>> or not or has a different GUI has no bearing on your own personal
>> progress on the app.  If I were you I'd continue as if you'd never
>> heard Sam's original message and if he comes up with a translation you
>> can make decisions then.
>>
>> VB was one of my first languages too! ;D  I know it's pretty easy, but
>> if you know basic logic it's not a HUGE leap to go from language to
>> language.  As you expand your curiosities I think you'll find that you
>> may even prefer a different language.  I started out in software
>> design but found that I preferred web development instead.
>>
>> Good luck on your app!
>>
>>
>> On Oct 16, 7:57 am, Chris Bailey  wrote:
>> > sorry for not being able to reply before. <_< not sure why it
>> wouldn't let
>> > me. but Oliver if you focus on just making a GUI even if it's in a
>> different
>> > language and make the actual getting of Wave data into it's own
>> "core" that
>> > can be replaced in the future you should be fine with leaving it as
>> is until
>> > Google releases an API
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 7:22 AM, Oliver Baker 
>> wrote:
>> > > Hi,
>> > > yes its an embedded webbrowser since I have found no other method
>> that
>> > > works with MIT's Proxy (New Zealand MIT).
>> >
>> > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 7:57 PM, Joe Developer <
>> joe.d.develo...@gmail.com>wrote:
>> >
>> > >> rar x file.rar works fine here(Debian), you may want to install
>> `unrar`
>> > >> from your package management system.
>> > >> Have a look at 'Form1.vb' :
>> > >> wbLogin.ReadyState = WebBrowserReadyState.Complete
>> >
>> > >> I wanted to attach the source in tar.gz format, but intrigu

[Google Wave APIs] Re: Google Wave Inbox Notification tool for the Windows Desktop

[Andrew Red]

Hi Oliver,
I'm sorry, but I got board, so I wrote some code to launch a window from the
notifaction area.

I posted the code on your wave (
https://wave.google.com/a/wavesandbox.com/#restored:wave:wavesandbox.com!w%252BG0TCUy7kA.1
)

On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 12:05 PM, Andrew Red  wrote:

> Nice. are you going to add the AnimateWindow function? This allows sliding
> windows (like gtalk) and it is easy (ish) to use.
> I got my sandbox on October 14th, and the previews were sent out on October
> 1st (i think)...
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Oliver Baker  wrote:
>
>> Hi Andrew,
>> Here is the link to the WaveSandbox one.
>>
>> (You really should consult with the Google Team about why you don't have a
>> preview account if you have a sandbox account) unless of course you are
>> cheating the system.
>>
>>
>> https://wave.google.com/a/wavesandbox.com/#restored:wave:wavesandbox.com!w%252BG0TCUy7kA
>>
>>
>> Have
>> fun,
>> Oliver Baker
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 6:34 PM, Andrew Red  wrote:
>>
>>> @Oliver,
>>> Could you (or someone else) post the design photos on the wavesandbox? (I
>>> don't have a preview account :(  )
>>>
>>> Thx
>>> Andrew
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 9:49 AM, Oliver Baker  wrote:
>>>
 Hi Smloa,
 I could debug a C++ app right now even though I don't know how to code
 in C++. I am currently studying a Bachelor of Information Systems in New
 Zealand, and it is my intentions to come and work for Google as a 
 Programmer
 when I leave MIT (New Zealand). I am only 17 so I have a little while to go
 yet, however I still need to have 3 years experience programming and one of
 the languages you need to know for Google is C++ (or C, forgot which). And
 since people want me to code in C++ I think that it would be in my best
 interests to do so as well, it would give me my best opportunity given my
 learning style to learn C++.

 I don't disagree with you, I think I will continue to code in VB.NETand 
 then maybe work on the C++ with Sam in my spare time. But I don't think
 I would ignore Sam though.

 At the moment I can Code VB.net, some C#, HTML, Javascript, JAVA. but I
 need to know a whole heap more. and I don't learn from books, I learn from
 doing it. So Sam has unknowingly given me the best opportunity to learn how
 to code in C++.

 I will continue to code in VB.NET.

 Thanks,
 Oliver


 On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 11:36 AM, Smola  wrote:

>
> Hello all,
>
> Oliver, I don't see how Sam's translating has anything to do with your
> progress developing your app.  You go on your merry way developing
> your Windows app as your original intent implies.  And if Sam chooses
> to try and translate, then way to go for him.  Whether he finishes it
> or not or has a different GUI has no bearing on your own personal
> progress on the app.  If I were you I'd continue as if you'd never
> heard Sam's original message and if he comes up with a translation you
> can make decisions then.
>
> VB was one of my first languages too! ;D  I know it's pretty easy, but
> if you know basic logic it's not a HUGE leap to go from language to
> language.  As you expand your curiosities I think you'll find that you
> may even prefer a different language.  I started out in software
> design but found that I preferred web development instead.
>
> Good luck on your app!
>
>
> On Oct 16, 7:57 am, Chris Bailey  wrote:
> > sorry for not being able to reply before. <_< not sure why it
> wouldn't let
> > me. but Oliver if you focus on just making a GUI even if it's in a
> different
> > language and make the actual getting of Wave data into it's own
> "core" that
> > can be replaced in the future you should be fine with leaving it as
> is until
> > Google releases an API
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 7:22 AM, Oliver Baker 
> wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > > yes its an embedded webbrowser since I have found no other method
> that
> > > works with MIT's Proxy (New Zealand MIT).
> >
> > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 7:57 PM, Joe Developer <
> joe.d.develo...@gmail.com>wrote:
> >
> > >> rar x file.rar works fine here(Debian), you may want to install
> `unrar`
> > >> from your package management system.
> > >> Have a look at 'Form1.vb' :
> > >> wbLogin.ReadyState = WebBrowserReadyState.Complete
> >
> > >> I wanted to attach the source in tar.gz format, but intriguingly
> gmail
> > >> tells me that it cannot be sent as it contains an executable.
> >
> > >> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Sam Osborne <
> sam.tosbo...@googlemail.com
> > >> > wrote:
> >
> > >>> Oh and can you put the source on ther

[Google Wave APIs] Re: Google Wave Inbox Notification tool for the Windows Desktop

[Andrew Red]

@joe, was 12 a typo?
I think you meant 21...

18 is the age where the maths in your brain is a maxmin, and it is around 21
for computing and programming.

@Oliver, WHAT!!! at the age of 10 I knew 4 langues well (Quick Basic,
Liberty Basic, HTML/javascript and robolab) and I still have a life. Knowing
a langue is the easy part of programming. To know how to manipulate logic
is something that you can't learn off a book. I like Liberty Basic alot, not
because it is a compiler and is slow, but because it is robust and very hard
to crash. I am like you, I am 17, very young. I wouldn't recommend you to
learn a langue (yet) because of portabilty, or speed, but rather to continue
working on a langue that you are familer with, and take that langue to
it's limits.

What I am meaning is, last year, I entered a comption called "Robocup Junior
Australia (http://www.robocupjunior.org.au/) Preimer Rescue devision". I
entered a robot running Liberty Basic to fowlow a line. Now, there are many
ways to fowlow a line, Most people you the Lego NXT. I used a webcam, a
nural network, wii motes and hand made motor driver assembly. From that I
have realy learnt two thins... 1. NEVER ever under any cirstames think that
MSDN has the answer to your api calls, 2. Computing is boring and you will
never achive something unless you chalange yourself.

Sry everyone for boring you with my past, but I think it needs to be said. I
now need to get back to studding for my end of school exams :(

Thx
Andrew

ps. I can't beleave how much time I have wasted on studying for English
pps. Sry for my spelling... It gets bad sometimes.

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[Google Wave APIs] Re: Google Wave Inbox Notification tool for the Windows Desktop

[Andrew Red]

Nice. are you going to add the AnimateWindow function? This allows sliding
windows (like gtalk) and it is easy (ish) to use.
I got my sandbox on October 14th, and the previews were sent out on October
1st (i think)...

On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Oliver Baker  wrote:

> Hi Andrew,
> Here is the link to the WaveSandbox one.
>
> (You really should consult with the Google Team about why you don't have a
> preview account if you have a sandbox account) unless of course you are
> cheating the system.
>
>
> https://wave.google.com/a/wavesandbox.com/#restored:wave:wavesandbox.com!w%252BG0TCUy7kA
>
>
> Have
> fun,
> Oliver Baker
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 6:34 PM, Andrew Red  wrote:
>
>> @Oliver,
>> Could you (or someone else) post the design photos on the wavesandbox? (I
>> don't have a preview account :(  )
>>
>> Thx
>> Andrew
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 9:49 AM, Oliver Baker  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Smloa,
>>> I could debug a C++ app right now even though I don't know how to code in
>>> C++. I am currently studying a Bachelor of Information Systems in New
>>> Zealand, and it is my intentions to come and work for Google as a Programmer
>>> when I leave MIT (New Zealand). I am only 17 so I have a little while to go
>>> yet, however I still need to have 3 years experience programming and one of
>>> the languages you need to know for Google is C++ (or C, forgot which). And
>>> since people want me to code in C++ I think that it would be in my best
>>> interests to do so as well, it would give me my best opportunity given my
>>> learning style to learn C++.
>>>
>>> I don't disagree with you, I think I will continue to code in VB.NET and
>>> then maybe work on the C++ with Sam in my spare time. But I don't think I
>>> would ignore Sam though.
>>>
>>> At the moment I can Code VB.net, some C#, HTML, Javascript, JAVA. but I
>>> need to know a whole heap more. and I don't learn from books, I learn from
>>> doing it. So Sam has unknowingly given me the best opportunity to learn how
>>> to code in C++.
>>>
>>> I will continue to code in VB.NET.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Oliver
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 11:36 AM, Smola  wrote:
>>>

 Hello all,

 Oliver, I don't see how Sam's translating has anything to do with your
 progress developing your app.  You go on your merry way developing
 your Windows app as your original intent implies.  And if Sam chooses
 to try and translate, then way to go for him.  Whether he finishes it
 or not or has a different GUI has no bearing on your own personal
 progress on the app.  If I were you I'd continue as if you'd never
 heard Sam's original message and if he comes up with a translation you
 can make decisions then.

 VB was one of my first languages too! ;D  I know it's pretty easy, but
 if you know basic logic it's not a HUGE leap to go from language to
 language.  As you expand your curiosities I think you'll find that you
 may even prefer a different language.  I started out in software
 design but found that I preferred web development instead.

 Good luck on your app!


 On Oct 16, 7:57 am, Chris Bailey  wrote:
 > sorry for not being able to reply before. <_< not sure why it wouldn't
 let
 > me. but Oliver if you focus on just making a GUI even if it's in a
 different
 > language and make the actual getting of Wave data into it's own "core"
 that
 > can be replaced in the future you should be fine with leaving it as is
 until
 > Google releases an API
 >
 >
 >
 > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 7:22 AM, Oliver Baker 
 wrote:
 > > Hi,
 > > yes its an embedded webbrowser since I have found no other method
 that
 > > works with MIT's Proxy (New Zealand MIT).
 >
 > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 7:57 PM, Joe Developer <
 joe.d.develo...@gmail.com>wrote:
 >
 > >> rar x file.rar works fine here(Debian), you may want to install
 `unrar`
 > >> from your package management system.
 > >> Have a look at 'Form1.vb' :
 > >> wbLogin.ReadyState = WebBrowserReadyState.Complete
 >
 > >> I wanted to attach the source in tar.gz format, but intriguingly
 gmail
 > >> tells me that it cannot be sent as it contains an executable.
 >
 > >> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Sam Osborne <
 sam.tosbo...@googlemail.com
 > >> > wrote:
 >
 > >>> Oh and can you put the source on there in a different format?
 Linux
 > >>> (which I'm primarily on) can't read rars
 >
 > >>> 2009/10/16 Sam Osborne 
 >
 > >>> Ouch. Wait, if it IS an embedded browser, and if it was made
 (which is
 >  likely) in Visual Studio, it's an embedded IE Which is very
 bad...
 >
 >  2009/10/16 Joe Developer 
 >
 >  From browsing the code it seems like a stra

[Google Wave APIs] Re: Google Wave Inbox Notification tool for the Windows Desktop

[Oliver Baker]

Hi All,
The Context menu preview has been uploaded to Google Code:
Here

Please Note a few things first:

   - The Black borders around the context menu is just a place holder for
   the actual border which will be added later
   - This preview is only to show you some of the basic functionality
   - Any of the looks may change, any suggestions can be posted here, On
   Google Wave or on Google Code.
   - The folder in the zip must stay in-tact for everything to work, the
   Context menu app is the one with the context menu in, Windows Application 2
   is the most recent build of the custom dialog
   - At the moment the context menu is a control in a form which inherits my
   custom dialog, the real thing will look like it is expected to, it is in a
   form in the preview because its a preview.
   - NO CODE HAS BEEN PROVIDED YET: Its not finished, I am trialling some
   stuff and I don't want people yappin in my ear about why the code here, here
   and here should be done like, this or like that. when the context menu is
   near completion I will then upload the code for you guys to scold me about.
   - Once again, suggestions are welcome, the menu is not finished remember.

Other than that, have fun.

I am considering creating a Google Group just for this Project if enough
support for the project is provided (suggestions, interested people, stuff
like that) which would then be used to create discussion specifically on
areas of the project, to lay it out neater.

Regards,
Oliver Baker

On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 1:22 PM, Oliver Baker  wrote:

> Hi Andrew,
> Here is the link to the WaveSandbox one.
>
> (You really should consult with the Google Team about why you don't have a
> preview account if you have a sandbox account) unless of course you are
> cheating the system.
>
>
> https://wave.google.com/a/wavesandbox.com/#restored:wave:wavesandbox.com!w%252BG0TCUy7kA
>
>
> Have
> fun,
> Oliver Baker
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 6:34 PM, Andrew Red  wrote:
>
>> @Oliver,
>> Could you (or someone else) post the design photos on the wavesandbox? (I
>> don't have a preview account :(  )
>>
>> Thx
>> Andrew
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 9:49 AM, Oliver Baker  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Smloa,
>>> I could debug a C++ app right now even though I don't know how to code in
>>> C++. I am currently studying a Bachelor of Information Systems in New
>>> Zealand, and it is my intentions to come and work for Google as a Programmer
>>> when I leave MIT (New Zealand). I am only 17 so I have a little while to go
>>> yet, however I still need to have 3 years experience programming and one of
>>> the languages you need to know for Google is C++ (or C, forgot which). And
>>> since people want me to code in C++ I think that it would be in my best
>>> interests to do so as well, it would give me my best opportunity given my
>>> learning style to learn C++.
>>>
>>> I don't disagree with you, I think I will continue to code in VB.NET and
>>> then maybe work on the C++ with Sam in my spare time. But I don't think I
>>> would ignore Sam though.
>>>
>>> At the moment I can Code VB.net, some C#, HTML, Javascript, JAVA. but I
>>> need to know a whole heap more. and I don't learn from books, I learn from
>>> doing it. So Sam has unknowingly given me the best opportunity to learn how
>>> to code in C++.
>>>
>>> I will continue to code in VB.NET.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Oliver
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 11:36 AM, Smola  wrote:
>>>

 Hello all,

 Oliver, I don't see how Sam's translating has anything to do with your
 progress developing your app.  You go on your merry way developing
 your Windows app as your original intent implies.  And if Sam chooses
 to try and translate, then way to go for him.  Whether he finishes it
 or not or has a different GUI has no bearing on your own personal
 progress on the app.  If I were you I'd continue as if you'd never
 heard Sam's original message and if he comes up with a translation you
 can make decisions then.

 VB was one of my first languages too! ;D  I know it's pretty easy, but
 if you know basic logic it's not a HUGE leap to go from language to
 language.  As you expand your curiosities I think you'll find that you
 may even prefer a different language.  I started out in software
 design but found that I preferred web development instead.

 Good luck on your app!


 On Oct 16, 7:57 am, Chris Bailey  wrote:
 > sorry for not being able to reply before. <_< not sure why it wouldn't
 let
 > me. but Oliver if you focus on just making a GUI even if it's in a
 different
 > language and make the actual getting of Wave data into it's own "core"
 that
 > can be replaced in the future you should be fine with leaving it as is
 until
 > Google releases a

[Google Wave APIs] Re: Google Wave Inbox Notification tool for the Windows Desktop

[Oliver Baker]

Hi Andrew,
Here is the link to the WaveSandbox one.

(You really should consult with the Google Team about why you don't have a
preview account if you have a sandbox account) unless of course you are
cheating the system.

https://wave.google.com/a/wavesandbox.com/#restored:wave:wavesandbox.com!w%252BG0TCUy7kA

Have
fun,
Oliver Baker

On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 6:34 PM, Andrew Red  wrote:

> @Oliver,
> Could you (or someone else) post the design photos on the wavesandbox? (I
> don't have a preview account :(  )
>
> Thx
> Andrew
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 9:49 AM, Oliver Baker  wrote:
>
>> Hi Smloa,
>> I could debug a C++ app right now even though I don't know how to code in
>> C++. I am currently studying a Bachelor of Information Systems in New
>> Zealand, and it is my intentions to come and work for Google as a Programmer
>> when I leave MIT (New Zealand). I am only 17 so I have a little while to go
>> yet, however I still need to have 3 years experience programming and one of
>> the languages you need to know for Google is C++ (or C, forgot which). And
>> since people want me to code in C++ I think that it would be in my best
>> interests to do so as well, it would give me my best opportunity given my
>> learning style to learn C++.
>>
>> I don't disagree with you, I think I will continue to code in VB.NET and
>> then maybe work on the C++ with Sam in my spare time. But I don't think I
>> would ignore Sam though.
>>
>> At the moment I can Code VB.net, some C#, HTML, Javascript, JAVA. but I
>> need to know a whole heap more. and I don't learn from books, I learn from
>> doing it. So Sam has unknowingly given me the best opportunity to learn how
>> to code in C++.
>>
>> I will continue to code in VB.NET.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Oliver
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 11:36 AM, Smola  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> Oliver, I don't see how Sam's translating has anything to do with your
>>> progress developing your app.  You go on your merry way developing
>>> your Windows app as your original intent implies.  And if Sam chooses
>>> to try and translate, then way to go for him.  Whether he finishes it
>>> or not or has a different GUI has no bearing on your own personal
>>> progress on the app.  If I were you I'd continue as if you'd never
>>> heard Sam's original message and if he comes up with a translation you
>>> can make decisions then.
>>>
>>> VB was one of my first languages too! ;D  I know it's pretty easy, but
>>> if you know basic logic it's not a HUGE leap to go from language to
>>> language.  As you expand your curiosities I think you'll find that you
>>> may even prefer a different language.  I started out in software
>>> design but found that I preferred web development instead.
>>>
>>> Good luck on your app!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 16, 7:57 am, Chris Bailey  wrote:
>>> > sorry for not being able to reply before. <_< not sure why it wouldn't
>>> let
>>> > me. but Oliver if you focus on just making a GUI even if it's in a
>>> different
>>> > language and make the actual getting of Wave data into it's own "core"
>>> that
>>> > can be replaced in the future you should be fine with leaving it as is
>>> until
>>> > Google releases an API
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 7:22 AM, Oliver Baker 
>>> wrote:
>>> > > Hi,
>>> > > yes its an embedded webbrowser since I have found no other method
>>> that
>>> > > works with MIT's Proxy (New Zealand MIT).
>>> >
>>> > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 7:57 PM, Joe Developer <
>>> joe.d.develo...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>> >
>>> > >> rar x file.rar works fine here(Debian), you may want to install
>>> `unrar`
>>> > >> from your package management system.
>>> > >> Have a look at 'Form1.vb' :
>>> > >> wbLogin.ReadyState = WebBrowserReadyState.Complete
>>> >
>>> > >> I wanted to attach the source in tar.gz format, but intriguingly
>>> gmail
>>> > >> tells me that it cannot be sent as it contains an executable.
>>> >
>>> > >> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Sam Osborne <
>>> sam.tosbo...@googlemail.com
>>> > >> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > >>> Oh and can you put the source on there in a different format? Linux
>>> > >>> (which I'm primarily on) can't read rars
>>> >
>>> > >>> 2009/10/16 Sam Osborne 
>>> >
>>> > >>> Ouch. Wait, if it IS an embedded browser, and if it was made (which
>>> is
>>> >  likely) in Visual Studio, it's an embedded IE Which is very
>>> bad...
>>> >
>>> >  2009/10/16 Joe Developer 
>>> >
>>> >  From browsing the code it seems like a straight translation is
>>> unlikely
>>> > > to work all that well.. It seems like the vb code uses an
>>> embedded
>>> > > webbrowser to handle the handshaking with the wave site.
>>> >
>>> > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Sam Osborne <
>>> > > sam.tosbo...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > >> Ok... Well you could use wxWidgets to do the GUI for C++,
>>> instead of
>>> > >> something like GT

[Google Wave APIs] Re: Google Wave Inbox Notification tool for the Windows Desktop

[Andrew Red]

@Oliver,
Could you (or someone else) post the design photos on the wavesandbox? (I
don't have a preview account :(  )

Thx
Andrew

On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 9:49 AM, Oliver Baker  wrote:

> Hi Smloa,
> I could debug a C++ app right now even though I don't know how to code in
> C++. I am currently studying a Bachelor of Information Systems in New
> Zealand, and it is my intentions to come and work for Google as a Programmer
> when I leave MIT (New Zealand). I am only 17 so I have a little while to go
> yet, however I still need to have 3 years experience programming and one of
> the languages you need to know for Google is C++ (or C, forgot which). And
> since people want me to code in C++ I think that it would be in my best
> interests to do so as well, it would give me my best opportunity given my
> learning style to learn C++.
>
> I don't disagree with you, I think I will continue to code in VB.NET and
> then maybe work on the C++ with Sam in my spare time. But I don't think I
> would ignore Sam though.
>
> At the moment I can Code VB.net, some C#, HTML, Javascript, JAVA. but I
> need to know a whole heap more. and I don't learn from books, I learn from
> doing it. So Sam has unknowingly given me the best opportunity to learn how
> to code in C++.
>
> I will continue to code in VB.NET.
>
> Thanks,
> Oliver
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 11:36 AM, Smola  wrote:
>
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> Oliver, I don't see how Sam's translating has anything to do with your
>> progress developing your app.  You go on your merry way developing
>> your Windows app as your original intent implies.  And if Sam chooses
>> to try and translate, then way to go for him.  Whether he finishes it
>> or not or has a different GUI has no bearing on your own personal
>> progress on the app.  If I were you I'd continue as if you'd never
>> heard Sam's original message and if he comes up with a translation you
>> can make decisions then.
>>
>> VB was one of my first languages too! ;D  I know it's pretty easy, but
>> if you know basic logic it's not a HUGE leap to go from language to
>> language.  As you expand your curiosities I think you'll find that you
>> may even prefer a different language.  I started out in software
>> design but found that I preferred web development instead.
>>
>> Good luck on your app!
>>
>>
>> On Oct 16, 7:57 am, Chris Bailey  wrote:
>> > sorry for not being able to reply before. <_< not sure why it wouldn't
>> let
>> > me. but Oliver if you focus on just making a GUI even if it's in a
>> different
>> > language and make the actual getting of Wave data into it's own "core"
>> that
>> > can be replaced in the future you should be fine with leaving it as is
>> until
>> > Google releases an API
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 7:22 AM, Oliver Baker 
>> wrote:
>> > > Hi,
>> > > yes its an embedded webbrowser since I have found no other method that
>> > > works with MIT's Proxy (New Zealand MIT).
>> >
>> > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 7:57 PM, Joe Developer <
>> joe.d.develo...@gmail.com>wrote:
>> >
>> > >> rar x file.rar works fine here(Debian), you may want to install
>> `unrar`
>> > >> from your package management system.
>> > >> Have a look at 'Form1.vb' :
>> > >> wbLogin.ReadyState = WebBrowserReadyState.Complete
>> >
>> > >> I wanted to attach the source in tar.gz format, but intriguingly
>> gmail
>> > >> tells me that it cannot be sent as it contains an executable.
>> >
>> > >> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Sam Osborne <
>> sam.tosbo...@googlemail.com
>> > >> > wrote:
>> >
>> > >>> Oh and can you put the source on there in a different format? Linux
>> > >>> (which I'm primarily on) can't read rars
>> >
>> > >>> 2009/10/16 Sam Osborne 
>> >
>> > >>> Ouch. Wait, if it IS an embedded browser, and if it was made (which
>> is
>> >  likely) in Visual Studio, it's an embedded IE Which is very
>> bad...
>> >
>> >  2009/10/16 Joe Developer 
>> >
>> >  From browsing the code it seems like a straight translation is
>> unlikely
>> > > to work all that well.. It seems like the vb code uses an embedded
>> > > webbrowser to handle the handshaking with the wave site.
>> >
>> > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Sam Osborne <
>> > > sam.tosbo...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > >> Ok... Well you could use wxWidgets to do the GUI for C++, instead
>> of
>> > >> something like GTK.. It may mean learning a new thing on top of
>> C++, but
>> > >> then you won't need some GUI maker thingy for every OS.. Linux
>> just needs to
>> > >> install wxWidgets, not sure about Mac, but Windows works fine.
>> >
>> > >> Ok.. I'll have a look at the code.. Same link as before?
>> >
>> > >> All my code was (and some still is) pretty scruffy.. It can't be
>> that
>> > >> bad!
>> >
>> > >> Seeing as I'm TRYING (I may fail :( ) to translate the code
>> almost
>> > >> directly, it may be pretty simple to find out which code means
>> what,
>> > >> espcecially if (once I

[Google Wave APIs] Re: Google Wave Inbox Notification tool for the Windows Desktop

[Oliver Baker]

If I was 12, and knew what I knew. I would be dead from having such a
non-existent life. I already need to get one as it is, I am either
programming or playing Xbox online with friends.

Thanks for the tips and I will defiantly look into all those programming
languages (My most important ones at the moment though are ones that will
get me a job at the one company bigger than microsoft (its Google).

Thanks,
Oliver

On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 8:40 PM, Joe Developer wrote:

> Hi Oliver,its great to hear how keen you are.
>
> There are a lot of languages out there and finding out which ones are right
> for a given task is half the battle :)
>
> While there is a propensity for knee-jerk scoffing at VB, the reason that I
> personally thought it inappropriate is that it is inexorably bound to the
> Windows platform(mono and wine notwithstanding).
> You will probably find that a good percentage of people here are either on
> variants of BSD or Linux. It would be interesting to have a show of hands
> just for kicks.
>
> If I were you I would exploit your relative neuronal plasticity and apply
> it to picking up some different languages. Check out a functional
> programming language like fx Erlang. Some 'rapid development' languages like
> say python or ruby. Perhaps even a multiparadigm language like Ada (which
> could use a json lib btw ;) )
> You will have plenty of time later to apply the paradigms and inspiration
> you pick up at making the killer services of the future. 17 isn't exactly 12
> ;) Spend your time wisely.
>
> While learning by doing is a great way to keep the energy and enthusiasm
> up, it also tends to lock you in, if nothing else, do read about software
> patterns. Reinventing the wheel may lead to better wheels, but in all
> likelihood we would benefit more from improved drive-trains.
>
> Anyway, good going with the Inbox Notification tool :) Happy Hacking.
> .
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 5:49 AM, Oliver Baker  wrote:
>
>> Hi Smloa,
>> I could debug a C++ app right now even though I don't know how to code in
>> C++. I am currently studying a Bachelor of Information Systems in New
>> Zealand, and it is my intentions to come and work for Google as a Programmer
>> when I leave MIT (New Zealand). I am only 17 so I have a little while to go
>> yet, however I still need to have 3 years experience programming and one of
>> the languages you need to know for Google is C++ (or C, forgot which). And
>> since people want me to code in C++ I think that it would be in my best
>> interests to do so as well, it would give me my best opportunity given my
>> learning style to learn C++.
>>
>> I don't disagree with you, I think I will continue to code in VB.NET and
>> then maybe work on the C++ with Sam in my spare time. But I don't think I
>> would ignore Sam though.
>>
>> At the moment I can Code VB.net, some C#, HTML, Javascript, JAVA. but I
>> need to know a whole heap more. and I don't learn from books, I learn from
>> doing it. So Sam has unknowingly given me the best opportunity to learn how
>> to code in C++.
>>
>> I will continue to code in VB.NET.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Oliver
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 11:36 AM, Smola  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> Oliver, I don't see how Sam's translating has anything to do with your
>>> progress developing your app.  You go on your merry way developing
>>> your Windows app as your original intent implies.  And if Sam chooses
>>> to try and translate, then way to go for him.  Whether he finishes it
>>> or not or has a different GUI has no bearing on your own personal
>>> progress on the app.  If I were you I'd continue as if you'd never
>>> heard Sam's original message and if he comes up with a translation you
>>> can make decisions then.
>>>
>>> VB was one of my first languages too! ;D  I know it's pretty easy, but
>>> if you know basic logic it's not a HUGE leap to go from language to
>>> language.  As you expand your curiosities I think you'll find that you
>>> may even prefer a different language.  I started out in software
>>> design but found that I preferred web development instead.
>>>
>>> Good luck on your app!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 16, 7:57 am, Chris Bailey  wrote:
>>> > sorry for not being able to reply before. <_< not sure why it wouldn't
>>> let
>>> > me. but Oliver if you focus on just making a GUI even if it's in a
>>> different
>>> > language and make the actual getting of Wave data into it's own "core"
>>> that
>>> > can be replaced in the future you should be fine with leaving it as is
>>> until
>>> > Google releases an API
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 7:22 AM, Oliver Baker 
>>> wrote:
>>> > > Hi,
>>> > > yes its an embedded webbrowser since I have found no other method
>>> that
>>> > > works with MIT's Proxy (New Zealand MIT).
>>> >
>>> > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 7:57 PM, Joe Developer <
>>> joe.d.develo...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>> >
>>> > >> rar x file.rar works fine here(Debian), you may want to install
>>> `unrar`
>>> > >> fr

[Google Wave APIs] Re: Google Wave Inbox Notification tool for the Windows Desktop

[Joe Developer]

Hi Oliver,its great to hear how keen you are.

There are a lot of languages out there and finding out which ones are right
for a given task is half the battle :)

While there is a propensity for knee-jerk scoffing at VB, the reason that I
personally thought it inappropriate is that it is inexorably bound to the
Windows platform(mono and wine notwithstanding).
You will probably find that a good percentage of people here are either on
variants of BSD or Linux. It would be interesting to have a show of hands
just for kicks.

If I were you I would exploit your relative neuronal plasticity and apply it
to picking up some different languages. Check out a functional programming
language like fx Erlang. Some 'rapid development' languages like say python
or ruby. Perhaps even a multiparadigm language like Ada (which could use a
json lib btw ;) )
You will have plenty of time later to apply the paradigms and inspiration
you pick up at making the killer services of the future. 17 isn't exactly 12
;) Spend your time wisely.

While learning by doing is a great way to keep the energy and enthusiasm up,
it also tends to lock you in, if nothing else, do read about software
patterns. Reinventing the wheel may lead to better wheels, but in all
likelihood we would benefit more from improved drive-trains.

Anyway, good going with the Inbox Notification tool :) Happy Hacking.
.


On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 5:49 AM, Oliver Baker  wrote:

> Hi Smloa,
> I could debug a C++ app right now even though I don't know how to code in
> C++. I am currently studying a Bachelor of Information Systems in New
> Zealand, and it is my intentions to come and work for Google as a Programmer
> when I leave MIT (New Zealand). I am only 17 so I have a little while to go
> yet, however I still need to have 3 years experience programming and one of
> the languages you need to know for Google is C++ (or C, forgot which). And
> since people want me to code in C++ I think that it would be in my best
> interests to do so as well, it would give me my best opportunity given my
> learning style to learn C++.
>
> I don't disagree with you, I think I will continue to code in VB.NET and
> then maybe work on the C++ with Sam in my spare time. But I don't think I
> would ignore Sam though.
>
> At the moment I can Code VB.net, some C#, HTML, Javascript, JAVA. but I
> need to know a whole heap more. and I don't learn from books, I learn from
> doing it. So Sam has unknowingly given me the best opportunity to learn how
> to code in C++.
>
> I will continue to code in VB.NET.
>
> Thanks,
> Oliver
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 11:36 AM, Smola  wrote:
>
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> Oliver, I don't see how Sam's translating has anything to do with your
>> progress developing your app.  You go on your merry way developing
>> your Windows app as your original intent implies.  And if Sam chooses
>> to try and translate, then way to go for him.  Whether he finishes it
>> or not or has a different GUI has no bearing on your own personal
>> progress on the app.  If I were you I'd continue as if you'd never
>> heard Sam's original message and if he comes up with a translation you
>> can make decisions then.
>>
>> VB was one of my first languages too! ;D  I know it's pretty easy, but
>> if you know basic logic it's not a HUGE leap to go from language to
>> language.  As you expand your curiosities I think you'll find that you
>> may even prefer a different language.  I started out in software
>> design but found that I preferred web development instead.
>>
>> Good luck on your app!
>>
>>
>> On Oct 16, 7:57 am, Chris Bailey  wrote:
>> > sorry for not being able to reply before. <_< not sure why it wouldn't
>> let
>> > me. but Oliver if you focus on just making a GUI even if it's in a
>> different
>> > language and make the actual getting of Wave data into it's own "core"
>> that
>> > can be replaced in the future you should be fine with leaving it as is
>> until
>> > Google releases an API
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 7:22 AM, Oliver Baker 
>> wrote:
>> > > Hi,
>> > > yes its an embedded webbrowser since I have found no other method that
>> > > works with MIT's Proxy (New Zealand MIT).
>> >
>> > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 7:57 PM, Joe Developer <
>> joe.d.develo...@gmail.com>wrote:
>> >
>> > >> rar x file.rar works fine here(Debian), you may want to install
>> `unrar`
>> > >> from your package management system.
>> > >> Have a look at 'Form1.vb' :
>> > >> wbLogin.ReadyState = WebBrowserReadyState.Complete
>> >
>> > >> I wanted to attach the source in tar.gz format, but intriguingly
>> gmail
>> > >> tells me that it cannot be sent as it contains an executable.
>> >
>> > >> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Sam Osborne <
>> sam.tosbo...@googlemail.com
>> > >> > wrote:
>> >
>> > >>> Oh and can you put the source on there in a different format? Linux
>> > >>> (which I'm primarily on) can't read rars
>> >
>> > >>> 2009/10/16 Sam Osborne 
>> >
>> > >>> Ouch. Wait, if it IS an e

[Google Wave APIs] Re: Google Wave Inbox Notification tool for the Windows Desktop

[Sam Osborne]

Oh thank you :P
VB was my first language too, until I installed Linux on a dual boot, and
then I tried to run my app, with WINE (a program you put on Linux to allow
it to launch .exe files) and I couldn't. Then, I asked a friend to try it on
his Mac, same result. This and a few other things made me switch to C++
(which was popular a year ago with a load of my friends).

I've only got 3 languages under my belt, C++, VB.net and HTML, so you're
doing pretty well for yourself!

2009/10/16 Oliver Baker 

> Hi Smloa,
> I could debug a C++ app right now even though I don't know how to code in
> C++. I am currently studying a Bachelor of Information Systems in New
> Zealand, and it is my intentions to come and work for Google as a Programmer
> when I leave MIT (New Zealand). I am only 17 so I have a little while to go
> yet, however I still need to have 3 years experience programming and one of
> the languages you need to know for Google is C++ (or C, forgot which). And
> since people want me to code in C++ I think that it would be in my best
> interests to do so as well, it would give me my best opportunity given my
> learning style to learn C++.
>
> I don't disagree with you, I think I will continue to code in VB.NET and
> then maybe work on the C++ with Sam in my spare time. But I don't think I
> would ignore Sam though.
>
> At the moment I can Code VB.net, some C#, HTML, Javascript, JAVA. but I
> need to know a whole heap more. and I don't learn from books, I learn from
> doing it. So Sam has unknowingly given me the best opportunity to learn how
> to code in C++.
>
> I will continue to code in VB.NET.
>
> Thanks,
> Oliver
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 11:36 AM, Smola  wrote:
>
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> Oliver, I don't see how Sam's translating has anything to do with your
>> progress developing your app.  You go on your merry way developing
>> your Windows app as your original intent implies.  And if Sam chooses
>> to try and translate, then way to go for him.  Whether he finishes it
>> or not or has a different GUI has no bearing on your own personal
>> progress on the app.  If I were you I'd continue as if you'd never
>> heard Sam's original message and if he comes up with a translation you
>> can make decisions then.
>>
>> VB was one of my first languages too! ;D  I know it's pretty easy, but
>> if you know basic logic it's not a HUGE leap to go from language to
>> language.  As you expand your curiosities I think you'll find that you
>> may even prefer a different language.  I started out in software
>> design but found that I preferred web development instead.
>>
>> Good luck on your app!
>>
>>
>> On Oct 16, 7:57 am, Chris Bailey  wrote:
>> > sorry for not being able to reply before. <_< not sure why it wouldn't
>> let
>> > me. but Oliver if you focus on just making a GUI even if it's in a
>> different
>> > language and make the actual getting of Wave data into it's own "core"
>> that
>> > can be replaced in the future you should be fine with leaving it as is
>> until
>> > Google releases an API
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 7:22 AM, Oliver Baker 
>> wrote:
>> > > Hi,
>> > > yes its an embedded webbrowser since I have found no other method that
>> > > works with MIT's Proxy (New Zealand MIT).
>> >
>> > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 7:57 PM, Joe Developer <
>> joe.d.develo...@gmail.com>wrote:
>> >
>> > >> rar x file.rar works fine here(Debian), you may want to install
>> `unrar`
>> > >> from your package management system.
>> > >> Have a look at 'Form1.vb' :
>> > >> wbLogin.ReadyState = WebBrowserReadyState.Complete
>> >
>> > >> I wanted to attach the source in tar.gz format, but intriguingly
>> gmail
>> > >> tells me that it cannot be sent as it contains an executable.
>> >
>> > >> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Sam Osborne <
>> sam.tosbo...@googlemail.com
>> > >> > wrote:
>> >
>> > >>> Oh and can you put the source on there in a different format? Linux
>> > >>> (which I'm primarily on) can't read rars
>> >
>> > >>> 2009/10/16 Sam Osborne 
>> >
>> > >>> Ouch. Wait, if it IS an embedded browser, and if it was made (which
>> is
>> >  likely) in Visual Studio, it's an embedded IE Which is very
>> bad...
>> >
>> >  2009/10/16 Joe Developer 
>> >
>> >  From browsing the code it seems like a straight translation is
>> unlikely
>> > > to work all that well.. It seems like the vb code uses an embedded
>> > > webbrowser to handle the handshaking with the wave site.
>> >
>> > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Sam Osborne <
>> > > sam.tosbo...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > >> Ok... Well you could use wxWidgets to do the GUI for C++, instead
>> of
>> > >> something like GTK.. It may mean learning a new thing on top of
>> C++, but
>> > >> then you won't need some GUI maker thingy for every OS.. Linux
>> just needs to
>> > >> install wxWidgets, not sure about Mac, but Windows works fine.
>> >
>> > >> Ok.. I'll have a look at the code.. Same link as b

[Google Wave APIs] Re: Google Wave Inbox Notification tool for the Windows Desktop

[Oliver Baker]

Hi Smloa,
I could debug a C++ app right now even though I don't know how to code in
C++. I am currently studying a Bachelor of Information Systems in New
Zealand, and it is my intentions to come and work for Google as a Programmer
when I leave MIT (New Zealand). I am only 17 so I have a little while to go
yet, however I still need to have 3 years experience programming and one of
the languages you need to know for Google is C++ (or C, forgot which). And
since people want me to code in C++ I think that it would be in my best
interests to do so as well, it would give me my best opportunity given my
learning style to learn C++.

I don't disagree with you, I think I will continue to code in VB.NET and
then maybe work on the C++ with Sam in my spare time. But I don't think I
would ignore Sam though.

At the moment I can Code VB.net, some C#, HTML, Javascript, JAVA. but I need
to know a whole heap more. and I don't learn from books, I learn from doing
it. So Sam has unknowingly given me the best opportunity to learn how to
code in C++.

I will continue to code in VB.NET.

Thanks,
Oliver

On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 11:36 AM, Smola  wrote:

>
> Hello all,
>
> Oliver, I don't see how Sam's translating has anything to do with your
> progress developing your app.  You go on your merry way developing
> your Windows app as your original intent implies.  And if Sam chooses
> to try and translate, then way to go for him.  Whether he finishes it
> or not or has a different GUI has no bearing on your own personal
> progress on the app.  If I were you I'd continue as if you'd never
> heard Sam's original message and if he comes up with a translation you
> can make decisions then.
>
> VB was one of my first languages too! ;D  I know it's pretty easy, but
> if you know basic logic it's not a HUGE leap to go from language to
> language.  As you expand your curiosities I think you'll find that you
> may even prefer a different language.  I started out in software
> design but found that I preferred web development instead.
>
> Good luck on your app!
>
>
> On Oct 16, 7:57 am, Chris Bailey  wrote:
> > sorry for not being able to reply before. <_< not sure why it wouldn't
> let
> > me. but Oliver if you focus on just making a GUI even if it's in a
> different
> > language and make the actual getting of Wave data into it's own "core"
> that
> > can be replaced in the future you should be fine with leaving it as is
> until
> > Google releases an API
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 7:22 AM, Oliver Baker  wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > > yes its an embedded webbrowser since I have found no other method that
> > > works with MIT's Proxy (New Zealand MIT).
> >
> > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 7:57 PM, Joe Developer <
> joe.d.develo...@gmail.com>wrote:
> >
> > >> rar x file.rar works fine here(Debian), you may want to install
> `unrar`
> > >> from your package management system.
> > >> Have a look at 'Form1.vb' :
> > >> wbLogin.ReadyState = WebBrowserReadyState.Complete
> >
> > >> I wanted to attach the source in tar.gz format, but intriguingly gmail
> > >> tells me that it cannot be sent as it contains an executable.
> >
> > >> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Sam Osborne <
> sam.tosbo...@googlemail.com
> > >> > wrote:
> >
> > >>> Oh and can you put the source on there in a different format? Linux
> > >>> (which I'm primarily on) can't read rars
> >
> > >>> 2009/10/16 Sam Osborne 
> >
> > >>> Ouch. Wait, if it IS an embedded browser, and if it was made (which
> is
> >  likely) in Visual Studio, it's an embedded IE Which is very
> bad...
> >
> >  2009/10/16 Joe Developer 
> >
> >  From browsing the code it seems like a straight translation is
> unlikely
> > > to work all that well.. It seems like the vb code uses an embedded
> > > webbrowser to handle the handshaking with the wave site.
> >
> > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Sam Osborne <
> > > sam.tosbo...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >> Ok... Well you could use wxWidgets to do the GUI for C++, instead
> of
> > >> something like GTK.. It may mean learning a new thing on top of
> C++, but
> > >> then you won't need some GUI maker thingy for every OS.. Linux
> just needs to
> > >> install wxWidgets, not sure about Mac, but Windows works fine.
> >
> > >> Ok.. I'll have a look at the code.. Same link as before?
> >
> > >> All my code was (and some still is) pretty scruffy.. It can't be
> that
> > >> bad!
> >
> > >> Seeing as I'm TRYING (I may fail :( ) to translate the code almost
> > >> directly, it may be pretty simple to find out which code means
> what,
> > >> espcecially if (once I've translated it all) if I match the line
> numbers up.
> >
> > >> For example:
> > >> VB.net code:
> > >> Line 1: msgbox("Hello")
> > >> C++ code:
> > >> Line 1: cout << "Hello";
> > >> Alternate C++ Code (there's another bit of code that does exactly
> the
> > >> same thing
> > >> Line 1: printf("Hello

[Google Wave APIs] Re: Google Wave Inbox Notification tool for the Windows Desktop

[Smola]

Hello all,

Oliver, I don't see how Sam's translating has anything to do with your
progress developing your app.  You go on your merry way developing
your Windows app as your original intent implies.  And if Sam chooses
to try and translate, then way to go for him.  Whether he finishes it
or not or has a different GUI has no bearing on your own personal
progress on the app.  If I were you I'd continue as if you'd never
heard Sam's original message and if he comes up with a translation you
can make decisions then.

VB was one of my first languages too! ;D  I know it's pretty easy, but
if you know basic logic it's not a HUGE leap to go from language to
language.  As you expand your curiosities I think you'll find that you
may even prefer a different language.  I started out in software
design but found that I preferred web development instead.

Good luck on your app!


On Oct 16, 7:57 am, Chris Bailey  wrote:
> sorry for not being able to reply before. <_< not sure why it wouldn't let
> me. but Oliver if you focus on just making a GUI even if it's in a different
> language and make the actual getting of Wave data into it's own "core" that
> can be replaced in the future you should be fine with leaving it as is until
> Google releases an API
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 7:22 AM, Oliver Baker  wrote:
> > Hi,
> > yes its an embedded webbrowser since I have found no other method that
> > works with MIT's Proxy (New Zealand MIT).
>
> > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 7:57 PM, Joe Developer 
> > wrote:
>
> >> rar x file.rar works fine here(Debian), you may want to install `unrar`
> >> from your package management system.
> >> Have a look at 'Form1.vb' :
> >> wbLogin.ReadyState = WebBrowserReadyState.Complete
>
> >> I wanted to attach the source in tar.gz format, but intriguingly gmail
> >> tells me that it cannot be sent as it contains an executable.
>
> >> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Sam Osborne  >> > wrote:
>
> >>> Oh and can you put the source on there in a different format? Linux
> >>> (which I'm primarily on) can't read rars
>
> >>> 2009/10/16 Sam Osborne 
>
> >>> Ouch. Wait, if it IS an embedded browser, and if it was made (which is
>  likely) in Visual Studio, it's an embedded IE Which is very bad...
>
>  2009/10/16 Joe Developer 
>
>  From browsing the code it seems like a straight translation is unlikely
> > to work all that well.. It seems like the vb code uses an embedded
> > webbrowser to handle the handshaking with the wave site.
>
> > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Sam Osborne <
> > sam.tosbo...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> >> Ok... Well you could use wxWidgets to do the GUI for C++, instead of
> >> something like GTK.. It may mean learning a new thing on top of C++, 
> >> but
> >> then you won't need some GUI maker thingy for every OS.. Linux just 
> >> needs to
> >> install wxWidgets, not sure about Mac, but Windows works fine.
>
> >> Ok.. I'll have a look at the code.. Same link as before?
>
> >> All my code was (and some still is) pretty scruffy.. It can't be that
> >> bad!
>
> >> Seeing as I'm TRYING (I may fail :( ) to translate the code almost
> >> directly, it may be pretty simple to find out which code means what,
> >> espcecially if (once I've translated it all) if I match the line 
> >> numbers up.
>
> >> For example:
> >> VB.net code:
> >> Line 1: msgbox("Hello")
> >> C++ code:
> >> Line 1: cout << "Hello";
> >> Alternate C++ Code (there's another bit of code that does exactly the
> >> same thing
> >> Line 1: printf("Hello");
>
> >> Although you may not be able to compile it, you can sure Test For
> >> Bugs, rather than Bug Fix, and then just tell us some bugs.. If you're
> >> working your way through the simple stuff in that pdf, you may even be 
> >> able
> >> to fix some of them..
>
> >> 2009/10/15 Oliver Baker 
>
> >> The Source of Version 2 has been uploaded to Google Code, remember
> >>> that I rushed this a little and the code is very scruffy (readable) 
> >>> since I
> >>> really wasn't expecting to get this much support for the project.
> >>> If this is going to be coded now in C++ this has been put on hold.
>
> >>> (There is a slightly more cleaner version of the code with less bugs
> >>> but I wanted to put up the code used in the latest version thats been
> >>> released.)
>
> >>> Don't complain about this programs source, If I was to release this
> >>> in vb.net with the API when it comes out this would be re - written
> >>> to proper standards.
>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Oliver Baker
>
> >>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 9:34 AM, Joe Developer <
> >>> joe.d.develo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>   On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 3:20 AM, Oliver Baker 
>  wrote:
>
> > Thats all very good, however I have to make sure I find people that
> > I know will not suddenly ditch 

[Google Wave APIs] Re: Google Wave Inbox Notification tool for the Windows Desktop

[Oliver Baker]

Hi Chris,
I Know, but you guys want me to stop doing it in VB.net.

If you go to
https://wave.google.com/wave/#restored:wave:googlewave.com!w%252BbTKibG6gA and
look at the Dialog design Picture I am already designing a User Interface in
VB.NET. I am actually going to put up all my sketches there as well.

Regards,
Oliver Baker

On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 12:57 AM, Chris Bailey  wrote:

> sorry for not being able to reply before. <_< not sure why it wouldn't let
> me. but Oliver if you focus on just making a GUI even if it's in a different
> language and make the actual getting of Wave data into it's own "core" that
> can be replaced in the future you should be fine with leaving it as is until
> Google releases an API
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 7:22 AM, Oliver Baker  wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> yes its an embedded webbrowser since I have found no other method that
>> works with MIT's Proxy (New Zealand MIT).
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 7:57 PM, Joe Developer > > wrote:
>>
>>> rar x file.rar works fine here(Debian), you may want to install `unrar`
>>> from your package management system.
>>> Have a look at 'Form1.vb' :
>>> wbLogin.ReadyState = WebBrowserReadyState.Complete
>>>
>>> I wanted to attach the source in tar.gz format, but intriguingly gmail
>>> tells me that it cannot be sent as it contains an executable.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Sam Osborne <
>>> sam.tosbo...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Oh and can you put the source on there in a different format? Linux
 (which I'm primarily on) can't read rars

 2009/10/16 Sam Osborne 

 Ouch. Wait, if it IS an embedded browser, and if it was made (which is
> likely) in Visual Studio, it's an embedded IE Which is very bad...
>
> 2009/10/16 Joe Developer 
>
> From browsing the code it seems like a straight translation is unlikely
>> to work all that well.. It seems like the vb code uses an embedded
>> webbrowser to handle the handshaking with the wave site.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Sam Osborne <
>> sam.tosbo...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Ok... Well you could use wxWidgets to do the GUI for C++, instead of
>>> something like GTK.. It may mean learning a new thing on top of C++, but
>>> then you won't need some GUI maker thingy for every OS.. Linux just 
>>> needs to
>>> install wxWidgets, not sure about Mac, but Windows works fine.
>>>
>>> Ok.. I'll have a look at the code.. Same link as before?
>>>
>>> All my code was (and some still is) pretty scruffy.. It can't be that
>>> bad!
>>>
>>> Seeing as I'm TRYING (I may fail :( ) to translate the code almost
>>> directly, it may be pretty simple to find out which code means what,
>>> espcecially if (once I've translated it all) if I match the line 
>>> numbers up.
>>>
>>> For example:
>>> VB.net code:
>>> Line 1: msgbox("Hello")
>>> C++ code:
>>> Line 1: cout << "Hello";
>>> Alternate C++ Code (there's another bit of code that does exactly the
>>> same thing
>>> Line 1: printf("Hello");
>>>
>>> Although you may not be able to compile it, you can sure Test For
>>> Bugs, rather than Bug Fix, and then just tell us some bugs.. If you're
>>> working your way through the simple stuff in that pdf, you may even be 
>>> able
>>> to fix some of them..
>>>
>>> 2009/10/15 Oliver Baker 
>>>
>>> The Source of Version 2 has been uploaded to Google Code, remember
 that I rushed this a little and the code is very scruffy (readable) 
 since I
 really wasn't expecting to get this much support for the project.
 If this is going to be coded now in C++ this has been put on hold.

 (There is a slightly more cleaner version of the code with less bugs
 but I wanted to put up the code used in the latest version thats been
 released.)

 Don't complain about this programs source, If I was to release this
 in vb.net with the API when it comes out this would be re - written
 to proper standards.

 Thanks,
 Oliver Baker


 On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 9:34 AM, Joe Developer <
 joe.d.develo...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
>  On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 3:20 AM, Oliver Baker 
> wrote:
>
>> Thats all very good, however I have to make sure I find people
>> that I know will not suddenly ditch the application halfway through, 
>> leaving
>> me dead in the water. (I am not saying that you would do it, its 
>> happened to
>> me before)
>
>  Experience can never be taken from you.
>
>>
>> I suppose we can move into C++, but we are going to have to find
>> somebody who can program the GUI's for C++ Applications.
>>
> I d

[Google Wave APIs] Re: Google Wave Inbox Notification tool for the Windows Desktop

[Chris Bailey]

sorry for not being able to reply before. <_< not sure why it wouldn't let
me. but Oliver if you focus on just making a GUI even if it's in a different
language and make the actual getting of Wave data into it's own "core" that
can be replaced in the future you should be fine with leaving it as is until
Google releases an API

On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 7:22 AM, Oliver Baker  wrote:

> Hi,
> yes its an embedded webbrowser since I have found no other method that
> works with MIT's Proxy (New Zealand MIT).
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 7:57 PM, Joe Developer 
> wrote:
>
>> rar x file.rar works fine here(Debian), you may want to install `unrar`
>> from your package management system.
>> Have a look at 'Form1.vb' :
>> wbLogin.ReadyState = WebBrowserReadyState.Complete
>>
>> I wanted to attach the source in tar.gz format, but intriguingly gmail
>> tells me that it cannot be sent as it contains an executable.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Sam Osborne > > wrote:
>>
>>> Oh and can you put the source on there in a different format? Linux
>>> (which I'm primarily on) can't read rars
>>>
>>> 2009/10/16 Sam Osborne 
>>>
>>> Ouch. Wait, if it IS an embedded browser, and if it was made (which is
 likely) in Visual Studio, it's an embedded IE Which is very bad...

 2009/10/16 Joe Developer 

 From browsing the code it seems like a straight translation is unlikely
> to work all that well.. It seems like the vb code uses an embedded
> webbrowser to handle the handshaking with the wave site.
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Sam Osborne <
> sam.tosbo...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> Ok... Well you could use wxWidgets to do the GUI for C++, instead of
>> something like GTK.. It may mean learning a new thing on top of C++, but
>> then you won't need some GUI maker thingy for every OS.. Linux just 
>> needs to
>> install wxWidgets, not sure about Mac, but Windows works fine.
>>
>> Ok.. I'll have a look at the code.. Same link as before?
>>
>> All my code was (and some still is) pretty scruffy.. It can't be that
>> bad!
>>
>> Seeing as I'm TRYING (I may fail :( ) to translate the code almost
>> directly, it may be pretty simple to find out which code means what,
>> espcecially if (once I've translated it all) if I match the line numbers 
>> up.
>>
>> For example:
>> VB.net code:
>> Line 1: msgbox("Hello")
>> C++ code:
>> Line 1: cout << "Hello";
>> Alternate C++ Code (there's another bit of code that does exactly the
>> same thing
>> Line 1: printf("Hello");
>>
>> Although you may not be able to compile it, you can sure Test For
>> Bugs, rather than Bug Fix, and then just tell us some bugs.. If you're
>> working your way through the simple stuff in that pdf, you may even be 
>> able
>> to fix some of them..
>>
>> 2009/10/15 Oliver Baker 
>>
>> The Source of Version 2 has been uploaded to Google Code, remember
>>> that I rushed this a little and the code is very scruffy (readable) 
>>> since I
>>> really wasn't expecting to get this much support for the project.
>>> If this is going to be coded now in C++ this has been put on hold.
>>>
>>> (There is a slightly more cleaner version of the code with less bugs
>>> but I wanted to put up the code used in the latest version thats been
>>> released.)
>>>
>>> Don't complain about this programs source, If I was to release this
>>> in vb.net with the API when it comes out this would be re - written
>>> to proper standards.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Oliver Baker
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 9:34 AM, Joe Developer <
>>> joe.d.develo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>


  On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 3:20 AM, Oliver Baker 
 wrote:

> Thats all very good, however I have to make sure I find people that
> I know will not suddenly ditch the application halfway through, 
> leaving me
> dead in the water. (I am not saying that you would do it, its 
> happened to me
> before)

  Experience can never be taken from you.

>
> I suppose we can move into C++, but we are going to have to find
> somebody who can program the GUI's for C++ Applications.
>
 I don't know why anyone would code the gui in C++ I think you would
 find the gui more portable and easier to manage using something like 
 gtk+
 and whatever makes sense for the 'backend' be it c++ or python or *
 http://www.gtk.org/screenshots.html


> I will put up all the current plans for this application on
> the Specified Wave and we can start figuring out who's gonna do what.
>
> It strikes me as very likely that the linux/mac version will be a
 

[Google Wave APIs] Re: Google Wave Inbox Notification tool for the Windows Desktop

[Sam Osborne]

Ok.. Embedded web browser.. I like the idea, though it's almost definitely
IE... Which I don't like..

I'll have a look at finding unrar.. I'm on ubuntu :)

2009/10/16 Oliver Baker 

> Hi,
> yes its an embedded webbrowser since I have found no other method that
> works with MIT's Proxy (New Zealand MIT).
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 7:57 PM, Joe Developer 
> wrote:
>
>> rar x file.rar works fine here(Debian), you may want to install `unrar`
>> from your package management system.
>> Have a look at 'Form1.vb' :
>> wbLogin.ReadyState = WebBrowserReadyState.Complete
>>
>> I wanted to attach the source in tar.gz format, but intriguingly gmail
>> tells me that it cannot be sent as it contains an executable.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Sam Osborne > > wrote:
>>
>>> Oh and can you put the source on there in a different format? Linux
>>> (which I'm primarily on) can't read rars
>>>
>>> 2009/10/16 Sam Osborne 
>>>
>>> Ouch. Wait, if it IS an embedded browser, and if it was made (which is
 likely) in Visual Studio, it's an embedded IE Which is very bad...

 2009/10/16 Joe Developer 

 From browsing the code it seems like a straight translation is unlikely
> to work all that well.. It seems like the vb code uses an embedded
> webbrowser to handle the handshaking with the wave site.
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Sam Osborne <
> sam.tosbo...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> Ok... Well you could use wxWidgets to do the GUI for C++, instead of
>> something like GTK.. It may mean learning a new thing on top of C++, but
>> then you won't need some GUI maker thingy for every OS.. Linux just 
>> needs to
>> install wxWidgets, not sure about Mac, but Windows works fine.
>>
>> Ok.. I'll have a look at the code.. Same link as before?
>>
>> All my code was (and some still is) pretty scruffy.. It can't be that
>> bad!
>>
>> Seeing as I'm TRYING (I may fail :( ) to translate the code almost
>> directly, it may be pretty simple to find out which code means what,
>> espcecially if (once I've translated it all) if I match the line numbers 
>> up.
>>
>> For example:
>> VB.net code:
>> Line 1: msgbox("Hello")
>> C++ code:
>> Line 1: cout << "Hello";
>> Alternate C++ Code (there's another bit of code that does exactly the
>> same thing
>> Line 1: printf("Hello");
>>
>> Although you may not be able to compile it, you can sure Test For
>> Bugs, rather than Bug Fix, and then just tell us some bugs.. If you're
>> working your way through the simple stuff in that pdf, you may even be 
>> able
>> to fix some of them..
>>
>> 2009/10/15 Oliver Baker 
>>
>> The Source of Version 2 has been uploaded to Google Code, remember
>>> that I rushed this a little and the code is very scruffy (readable) 
>>> since I
>>> really wasn't expecting to get this much support for the project.
>>>  If this is going to be coded now in C++ this has been put on hold.
>>>
>>> (There is a slightly more cleaner version of the code with less bugs
>>> but I wanted to put up the code used in the latest version thats been
>>> released.)
>>>
>>> Don't complain about this programs source, If I was to release this
>>> in vb.net with the API when it comes out this would be re - written
>>> to proper standards.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Oliver Baker
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 9:34 AM, Joe Developer <
>>> joe.d.develo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>


 On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 3:20 AM, Oliver Baker wrote:

> Thats all very good, however I have to make sure I find people that
> I know will not suddenly ditch the application halfway through, 
> leaving me
> dead in the water. (I am not saying that you would do it, its 
> happened to me
> before)

 Experience can never be taken from you.

>
> I suppose we can move into C++, but we are going to have to find
> somebody who can program the GUI's for C++ Applications.
>
 I don't know why anyone would code the gui in C++ I think you would
 find the gui more portable and easier to manage using something like 
 gtk+
 and whatever makes sense for the 'backend' be it c++ or python or *
 http://www.gtk.org/screenshots.html


> I will put up all the current plans for this application on
> the Specified Wave and we can start figuring out who's gonna do what.
>
> It strikes me as very likely that the linux/mac version will be a
 small shell script that gets called from something like conky now and 
 then.


> It will be interesting to see how this all progresses.
>
> Regards,
> Oliv

[Google Wave APIs] Re: Google Wave Inbox Notification tool for the Windows Desktop

[Oliver Baker]

Hi,
yes its an embedded webbrowser since I have found no other method that works
with MIT's Proxy (New Zealand MIT).


On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 7:57 PM, Joe Developer wrote:

> rar x file.rar works fine here(Debian), you may want to install `unrar`
> from your package management system.
> Have a look at 'Form1.vb' :
> wbLogin.ReadyState = WebBrowserReadyState.Complete
>
> I wanted to attach the source in tar.gz format, but intriguingly gmail
> tells me that it cannot be sent as it contains an executable.
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Sam Osborne 
> wrote:
>
>> Oh and can you put the source on there in a different format? Linux (which
>> I'm primarily on) can't read rars
>>
>> 2009/10/16 Sam Osborne 
>>
>> Ouch. Wait, if it IS an embedded browser, and if it was made (which is
>>> likely) in Visual Studio, it's an embedded IE Which is very bad...
>>>
>>> 2009/10/16 Joe Developer 
>>>
>>> From browsing the code it seems like a straight translation is unlikely
 to work all that well.. It seems like the vb code uses an embedded
 webbrowser to handle the handshaking with the wave site.


 On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Sam Osborne <
 sam.tosbo...@googlemail.com> wrote:

> Ok... Well you could use wxWidgets to do the GUI for C++, instead of
> something like GTK.. It may mean learning a new thing on top of C++, but
> then you won't need some GUI maker thingy for every OS.. Linux just needs 
> to
> install wxWidgets, not sure about Mac, but Windows works fine.
>
> Ok.. I'll have a look at the code.. Same link as before?
>
> All my code was (and some still is) pretty scruffy.. It can't be that
> bad!
>
> Seeing as I'm TRYING (I may fail :( ) to translate the code almost
> directly, it may be pretty simple to find out which code means what,
> espcecially if (once I've translated it all) if I match the line numbers 
> up.
>
> For example:
> VB.net code:
> Line 1: msgbox("Hello")
> C++ code:
> Line 1: cout << "Hello";
> Alternate C++ Code (there's another bit of code that does exactly the
> same thing
> Line 1: printf("Hello");
>
> Although you may not be able to compile it, you can sure Test For Bugs,
> rather than Bug Fix, and then just tell us some bugs.. If you're working
> your way through the simple stuff in that pdf, you may even be able to fix
> some of them..
>
> 2009/10/15 Oliver Baker 
>
> The Source of Version 2 has been uploaded to Google Code, remember that
>> I rushed this a little and the code is very scruffy (readable) since I
>> really wasn't expecting to get this much support for the project.
>>  If this is going to be coded now in C++ this has been put on hold.
>>
>> (There is a slightly more cleaner version of the code with less bugs
>> but I wanted to put up the code used in the latest version thats been
>> released.)
>>
>> Don't complain about this programs source, If I was to release this in
>> vb.net with the API when it comes out this would be re - written to
>> proper standards.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Oliver Baker
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 9:34 AM, Joe Developer <
>> joe.d.develo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 3:20 AM, Oliver Baker wrote:
>>>
 Thats all very good, however I have to make sure I find people that
 I know will not suddenly ditch the application halfway through, 
 leaving me
 dead in the water. (I am not saying that you would do it, its happened 
 to me
 before)
>>>
>>> Experience can never be taken from you.
>>>

 I suppose we can move into C++, but we are going to have to find
 somebody who can program the GUI's for C++ Applications.

>>> I don't know why anyone would code the gui in C++ I think you would
>>> find the gui more portable and easier to manage using something like 
>>> gtk+
>>> and whatever makes sense for the 'backend' be it c++ or python or *
>>> http://www.gtk.org/screenshots.html
>>>
>>>
 I will put up all the current plans for this application on
 the Specified Wave and we can start figuring out who's gonna do what.

 It strikes me as very likely that the linux/mac version will be a
>>> small shell script that gets called from something like conky now and 
>>> then.
>>>
>>>
 It will be interesting to see how this all progresses.

 Regards,
 Oliver Baker



>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>



>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> >
>

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[Google Wave APIs] Re: Google Wave Inbox Notification tool for the Windows Desktop

[Joe Developer]

rar x file.rar works fine here(Debian), you may want to install `unrar` from
your package management system.
Have a look at 'Form1.vb' :
wbLogin.ReadyState = WebBrowserReadyState.Complete

I wanted to attach the source in tar.gz format, but intriguingly gmail tells
me that it cannot be sent as it contains an executable.


On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Sam Osborne wrote:

> Oh and can you put the source on there in a different format? Linux (which
> I'm primarily on) can't read rars
>
> 2009/10/16 Sam Osborne 
>
> Ouch. Wait, if it IS an embedded browser, and if it was made (which is
>> likely) in Visual Studio, it's an embedded IE Which is very bad...
>>
>> 2009/10/16 Joe Developer 
>>
>> From browsing the code it seems like a straight translation is unlikely to
>>> work all that well.. It seems like the vb code uses an embedded webbrowser
>>> to handle the handshaking with the wave site.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Sam Osborne <
>>> sam.tosbo...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Ok... Well you could use wxWidgets to do the GUI for C++, instead of
 something like GTK.. It may mean learning a new thing on top of C++, but
 then you won't need some GUI maker thingy for every OS.. Linux just needs 
 to
 install wxWidgets, not sure about Mac, but Windows works fine.

 Ok.. I'll have a look at the code.. Same link as before?

 All my code was (and some still is) pretty scruffy.. It can't be that
 bad!

 Seeing as I'm TRYING (I may fail :( ) to translate the code almost
 directly, it may be pretty simple to find out which code means what,
 espcecially if (once I've translated it all) if I match the line numbers 
 up.

 For example:
 VB.net code:
 Line 1: msgbox("Hello")
 C++ code:
 Line 1: cout << "Hello";
 Alternate C++ Code (there's another bit of code that does exactly the
 same thing
 Line 1: printf("Hello");

 Although you may not be able to compile it, you can sure Test For Bugs,
 rather than Bug Fix, and then just tell us some bugs.. If you're working
 your way through the simple stuff in that pdf, you may even be able to fix
 some of them..

 2009/10/15 Oliver Baker 

 The Source of Version 2 has been uploaded to Google Code, remember that
> I rushed this a little and the code is very scruffy (readable) since I
> really wasn't expecting to get this much support for the project.
>  If this is going to be coded now in C++ this has been put on hold.
>
> (There is a slightly more cleaner version of the code with less bugs
> but I wanted to put up the code used in the latest version thats been
> released.)
>
> Don't complain about this programs source, If I was to release this in
> vb.net with the API when it comes out this would be re - written to
> proper standards.
>
> Thanks,
> Oliver Baker
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 9:34 AM, Joe Developer <
> joe.d.develo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 3:20 AM, Oliver Baker wrote:
>>
>>> Thats all very good, however I have to make sure I find people that I
>>> know will not suddenly ditch the application halfway through, leaving me
>>> dead in the water. (I am not saying that you would do it, its happened 
>>> to me
>>> before)
>>
>> Experience can never be taken from you.
>>
>>>
>>> I suppose we can move into C++, but we are going to have to find
>>> somebody who can program the GUI's for C++ Applications.
>>>
>> I don't know why anyone would code the gui in C++ I think you would
>> find the gui more portable and easier to manage using something like gtk+
>> and whatever makes sense for the 'backend' be it c++ or python or *
>> http://www.gtk.org/screenshots.html
>>
>>
>>> I will put up all the current plans for this application on
>>> the Specified Wave and we can start figuring out who's gonna do what.
>>>
>>> It strikes me as very likely that the linux/mac version will be a
>> small shell script that gets called from something like conky now and 
>> then.
>>
>>
>>> It will be interesting to see how this all progresses.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Oliver Baker
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>



>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
> >
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[Google Wave APIs] Re: Google Wave Inbox Notification tool for the Windows Desktop

[Sam Osborne]

Oh and can you put the source on there in a different format? Linux (which
I'm primarily on) can't read rars

2009/10/16 Sam Osborne 

> Ouch. Wait, if it IS an embedded browser, and if it was made (which is
> likely) in Visual Studio, it's an embedded IE Which is very bad...
>
> 2009/10/16 Joe Developer 
>
> From browsing the code it seems like a straight translation is unlikely to
>> work all that well.. It seems like the vb code uses an embedded webbrowser
>> to handle the handshaking with the wave site.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Sam Osborne > > wrote:
>>
>>> Ok... Well you could use wxWidgets to do the GUI for C++, instead of
>>> something like GTK.. It may mean learning a new thing on top of C++, but
>>> then you won't need some GUI maker thingy for every OS.. Linux just needs to
>>> install wxWidgets, not sure about Mac, but Windows works fine.
>>>
>>> Ok.. I'll have a look at the code.. Same link as before?
>>>
>>> All my code was (and some still is) pretty scruffy.. It can't be that
>>> bad!
>>>
>>> Seeing as I'm TRYING (I may fail :( ) to translate the code almost
>>> directly, it may be pretty simple to find out which code means what,
>>> espcecially if (once I've translated it all) if I match the line numbers up.
>>>
>>> For example:
>>> VB.net code:
>>> Line 1: msgbox("Hello")
>>> C++ code:
>>> Line 1: cout << "Hello";
>>> Alternate C++ Code (there's another bit of code that does exactly the
>>> same thing
>>> Line 1: printf("Hello");
>>>
>>> Although you may not be able to compile it, you can sure Test For Bugs,
>>> rather than Bug Fix, and then just tell us some bugs.. If you're working
>>> your way through the simple stuff in that pdf, you may even be able to fix
>>> some of them..
>>>
>>> 2009/10/15 Oliver Baker 
>>>
>>> The Source of Version 2 has been uploaded to Google Code, remember that I
 rushed this a little and the code is very scruffy (readable) since I really
 wasn't expecting to get this much support for the project.
  If this is going to be coded now in C++ this has been put on hold.

 (There is a slightly more cleaner version of the code with less bugs but
 I wanted to put up the code used in the latest version thats been 
 released.)

 Don't complain about this programs source, If I was to release this in
 vb.net with the API when it comes out this would be re - written to
 proper standards.

 Thanks,
 Oliver Baker


 On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 9:34 AM, Joe Developer <
 joe.d.develo...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 3:20 AM, Oliver Baker wrote:
>
>> Thats all very good, however I have to make sure I find people that I
>> know will not suddenly ditch the application halfway through, leaving me
>> dead in the water. (I am not saying that you would do it, its happened 
>> to me
>> before)
>
> Experience can never be taken from you.
>
>>
>> I suppose we can move into C++, but we are going to have to find
>> somebody who can program the GUI's for C++ Applications.
>>
> I don't know why anyone would code the gui in C++ I think you would
> find the gui more portable and easier to manage using something like gtk+
> and whatever makes sense for the 'backend' be it c++ or python or *
> http://www.gtk.org/screenshots.html
>
>
>> I will put up all the current plans for this application on
>> the Specified Wave and we can start figuring out who's gonna do what.
>>
>> It strikes me as very likely that the linux/mac version will be a
> small shell script that gets called from something like conky now and 
> then.
>
>
>> It will be interesting to see how this all progresses.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Oliver Baker
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>



>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> >>
>>
>

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[Google Wave APIs] Re: Google Wave Inbox Notification tool for the Windows Desktop

[Sam Osborne]

Ouch. Wait, if it IS an embedded browser, and if it was made (which is
likely) in Visual Studio, it's an embedded IE Which is very bad...

2009/10/16 Joe Developer 

> From browsing the code it seems like a straight translation is unlikely to
> work all that well.. It seems like the vb code uses an embedded webbrowser
> to handle the handshaking with the wave site.
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Sam Osborne 
> wrote:
>
>> Ok... Well you could use wxWidgets to do the GUI for C++, instead of
>> something like GTK.. It may mean learning a new thing on top of C++, but
>> then you won't need some GUI maker thingy for every OS.. Linux just needs to
>> install wxWidgets, not sure about Mac, but Windows works fine.
>>
>> Ok.. I'll have a look at the code.. Same link as before?
>>
>> All my code was (and some still is) pretty scruffy.. It can't be that bad!
>>
>> Seeing as I'm TRYING (I may fail :( ) to translate the code almost
>> directly, it may be pretty simple to find out which code means what,
>> espcecially if (once I've translated it all) if I match the line numbers up.
>>
>> For example:
>> VB.net code:
>> Line 1: msgbox("Hello")
>> C++ code:
>> Line 1: cout << "Hello";
>> Alternate C++ Code (there's another bit of code that does exactly the same
>> thing
>> Line 1: printf("Hello");
>>
>> Although you may not be able to compile it, you can sure Test For Bugs,
>> rather than Bug Fix, and then just tell us some bugs.. If you're working
>> your way through the simple stuff in that pdf, you may even be able to fix
>> some of them..
>>
>> 2009/10/15 Oliver Baker 
>>
>> The Source of Version 2 has been uploaded to Google Code, remember that I
>>> rushed this a little and the code is very scruffy (readable) since I really
>>> wasn't expecting to get this much support for the project.
>>>  If this is going to be coded now in C++ this has been put on hold.
>>>
>>> (There is a slightly more cleaner version of the code with less bugs but
>>> I wanted to put up the code used in the latest version thats been released.)
>>>
>>> Don't complain about this programs source, If I was to release this in
>>> vb.net with the API when it comes out this would be re - written to
>>> proper standards.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Oliver Baker
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 9:34 AM, Joe Developer <
>>> joe.d.develo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>


 On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 3:20 AM, Oliver Baker wrote:

> Thats all very good, however I have to make sure I find people that I
> know will not suddenly ditch the application halfway through, leaving me
> dead in the water. (I am not saying that you would do it, its happened to 
> me
> before)

 Experience can never be taken from you.

>
> I suppose we can move into C++, but we are going to have to find
> somebody who can program the GUI's for C++ Applications.
>
 I don't know why anyone would code the gui in C++ I think you would find
 the gui more portable and easier to manage using something like gtk+ and
 whatever makes sense for the 'backend' be it c++ or python or *
 http://www.gtk.org/screenshots.html


> I will put up all the current plans for this application on
> the Specified Wave and we can start figuring out who's gonna do what.
>
> It strikes me as very likely that the linux/mac version will be a small
 shell script that gets called from something like conky now and then.


> It will be interesting to see how this all progresses.
>
> Regards,
> Oliver Baker
>
>
>



>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> >
>

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[Google Wave APIs] Re: Google Wave Inbox Notification tool for the Windows Desktop

[Joe Developer]

>From browsing the code it seems like a straight translation is unlikely to
work all that well.. It seems like the vb code uses an embedded webbrowser
to handle the handshaking with the wave site.

On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Sam Osborne wrote:

> Ok... Well you could use wxWidgets to do the GUI for C++, instead of
> something like GTK.. It may mean learning a new thing on top of C++, but
> then you won't need some GUI maker thingy for every OS.. Linux just needs to
> install wxWidgets, not sure about Mac, but Windows works fine.
>
> Ok.. I'll have a look at the code.. Same link as before?
>
> All my code was (and some still is) pretty scruffy.. It can't be that bad!
>
> Seeing as I'm TRYING (I may fail :( ) to translate the code almost
> directly, it may be pretty simple to find out which code means what,
> espcecially if (once I've translated it all) if I match the line numbers up.
>
> For example:
> VB.net code:
> Line 1: msgbox("Hello")
> C++ code:
> Line 1: cout << "Hello";
> Alternate C++ Code (there's another bit of code that does exactly the same
> thing
> Line 1: printf("Hello");
>
> Although you may not be able to compile it, you can sure Test For Bugs,
> rather than Bug Fix, and then just tell us some bugs.. If you're working
> your way through the simple stuff in that pdf, you may even be able to fix
> some of them..
>
> 2009/10/15 Oliver Baker 
>
> The Source of Version 2 has been uploaded to Google Code, remember that I
>> rushed this a little and the code is very scruffy (readable) since I really
>> wasn't expecting to get this much support for the project.
>>  If this is going to be coded now in C++ this has been put on hold.
>>
>> (There is a slightly more cleaner version of the code with less bugs but I
>> wanted to put up the code used in the latest version thats been released.)
>>
>> Don't complain about this programs source, If I was to release this in
>> vb.net with the API when it comes out this would be re - written to
>> proper standards.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Oliver Baker
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 9:34 AM, Joe Developer > > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 3:20 AM, Oliver Baker  wrote:
>>>
 Thats all very good, however I have to make sure I find people that I
 know will not suddenly ditch the application halfway through, leaving me
 dead in the water. (I am not saying that you would do it, its happened to 
 me
 before)
>>>
>>> Experience can never be taken from you.
>>>

 I suppose we can move into C++, but we are going to have to find
 somebody who can program the GUI's for C++ Applications.

>>> I don't know why anyone would code the gui in C++ I think you would find
>>> the gui more portable and easier to manage using something like gtk+ and
>>> whatever makes sense for the 'backend' be it c++ or python or *
>>> http://www.gtk.org/screenshots.html
>>>
>>>
 I will put up all the current plans for this application on
 the Specified Wave and we can start figuring out who's gonna do what.

 It strikes me as very likely that the linux/mac version will be a small
>>> shell script that gets called from something like conky now and then.
>>>
>>>
 It will be interesting to see how this all progresses.

 Regards,
 Oliver Baker



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[Google Wave APIs] Re: Google Wave Inbox Notification tool for the Windows Desktop

[Sam Osborne]

Ok... Well you could use wxWidgets to do the GUI for C++, instead of
something like GTK.. It may mean learning a new thing on top of C++, but
then you won't need some GUI maker thingy for every OS.. Linux just needs to
install wxWidgets, not sure about Mac, but Windows works fine.

Ok.. I'll have a look at the code.. Same link as before?

All my code was (and some still is) pretty scruffy.. It can't be that bad!

Seeing as I'm TRYING (I may fail :( ) to translate the code almost directly,
it may be pretty simple to find out which code means what, espcecially if
(once I've translated it all) if I match the line numbers up.
For example:
VB.net code:
Line 1: msgbox("Hello")
C++ code:
Line 1: cout << "Hello";
Alternate C++ Code (there's another bit of code that does exactly the same
thing
Line 1: printf("Hello");

Although you may not be able to compile it, you can sure Test For Bugs,
rather than Bug Fix, and then just tell us some bugs.. If you're working
your way through the simple stuff in that pdf, you may even be able to fix
some of them..

2009/10/15 Oliver Baker 

> The Source of Version 2 has been uploaded to Google Code, remember that I
> rushed this a little and the code is very scruffy (readable) since I really
> wasn't expecting to get this much support for the project.
> If this is going to be coded now in C++ this has been put on hold.
>
> (There is a slightly more cleaner version of the code with less bugs but I
> wanted to put up the code used in the latest version thats been released.)
>
> Don't complain about this programs source, If I was to release this in
> vb.net with the API when it comes out this would be re - written to proper
> standards.
>
> Thanks,
> Oliver Baker
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 9:34 AM, Joe Developer 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 3:20 AM, Oliver Baker  wrote:
>>
>>> Thats all very good, however I have to make sure I find people that I
>>> know will not suddenly ditch the application halfway through, leaving me
>>> dead in the water. (I am not saying that you would do it, its happened to me
>>> before)
>>
>> Experience can never be taken from you.
>>
>>>
>>> I suppose we can move into C++, but we are going to have to find somebody
>>> who can program the GUI's for C++ Applications.
>>>
>> I don't know why anyone would code the gui in C++ I think you would find
>> the gui more portable and easier to manage using something like gtk+ and
>> whatever makes sense for the 'backend' be it c++ or python or *
>> http://www.gtk.org/screenshots.html
>>
>>
>>> I will put up all the current plans for this application on
>>> the Specified Wave and we can start figuring out who's gonna do what.
>>>
>>> It strikes me as very likely that the linux/mac version will be a small
>> shell script that gets called from something like conky now and then.
>>
>>
>>> It will be interesting to see how this all progresses.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Oliver Baker
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> >
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[Google Wave APIs] Re: Google Wave Inbox Notification tool for the Windows Desktop

[Oliver Baker]

The Source of Version 2 has been uploaded to Google Code, remember that I
rushed this a little and the code is very scruffy (readable) since I really
wasn't expecting to get this much support for the project.
If this is going to be coded now in C++ this has been put on hold.

(There is a slightly more cleaner version of the code with less bugs but I
wanted to put up the code used in the latest version thats been released.)

Don't complain about this programs source, If I was to release this in
vb.net with the API when it comes out this would be re - written to proper
standards.

Thanks,
Oliver Baker

On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 9:34 AM, Joe Developer wrote:

>
>
> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 3:20 AM, Oliver Baker  wrote:
>
>> Thats all very good, however I have to make sure I find people that I know
>> will not suddenly ditch the application halfway through, leaving me dead in
>> the water. (I am not saying that you would do it, its happened to me before)
>
> Experience can never be taken from you.
>
>>
>> I suppose we can move into C++, but we are going to have to find somebody
>> who can program the GUI's for C++ Applications.
>>
> I don't know why anyone would code the gui in C++ I think you would find
> the gui more portable and easier to manage using something like gtk+ and
> whatever makes sense for the 'backend' be it c++ or python or *
> http://www.gtk.org/screenshots.html
>
>
>> I will put up all the current plans for this application on
>> the Specified Wave and we can start figuring out who's gonna do what.
>>
>> It strikes me as very likely that the linux/mac version will be a small
> shell script that gets called from something like conky now and then.
>
>
>> It will be interesting to see how this all progresses.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Oliver Baker
>>
>>
>>
>
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[Google Wave APIs] Re: Google Wave Inbox Notification tool for the Windows Desktop

[Joe Developer]

On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 3:20 AM, Oliver Baker  wrote:

> Thats all very good, however I have to make sure I find people that I know
> will not suddenly ditch the application halfway through, leaving me dead in
> the water. (I am not saying that you would do it, its happened to me before)

Experience can never be taken from you.

>
> I suppose we can move into C++, but we are going to have to find somebody
> who can program the GUI's for C++ Applications.
>
I don't know why anyone would code the gui in C++ I think you would find the
gui more portable and easier to manage using something like gtk+ and
whatever makes sense for the 'backend' be it c++ or python or *
http://www.gtk.org/screenshots.html


> I will put up all the current plans for this application on
> the Specified Wave and we can start figuring out who's gonna do what.
>
> It strikes me as very likely that the linux/mac version will be a small
shell script that gets called from something like conky now and then.


> It will be interesting to see how this all progresses.
>
> Regards,
> Oliver Baker
>
>
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[Google Wave APIs] Re: Google Wave Inbox Notification tool for the Windows Desktop

[Oliver Baker]

Thats all very good, however I have to make sure I find people that I know
will not suddenly ditch the application halfway through, leaving me dead in
the water. (I am not saying that you would do it, its happened to me before)
I suppose we can move into C++, but we are going to have to find somebody
who can program the GUI's for C++ Applications.
I will put up all the current plans for this application on
the Specified Wave and we can start figuring out who's gonna do what.

It will be interesting to see how this all progresses.

Regards,
Oliver Baker

On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 9:05 AM, Sam Osborne wrote:

> People prefer to just be able to run/install something, without having to
> go around installing other things as well... Getting away from VB is always
> a good call.. I did VB for the past 2 years, now I'm C++-ing.
> Seeing as I'm not even half way through that pdf, I can't do GUI's yet
> (:(), though, if I can translate the http scraping and whatnot code, then
> someone else could do that bit..
> Open Source means other people can take the code and do what they like with
> it, and it's also a community effort, so many people can contribute.. For
> example, Oliver can go for the main code, the Windows bits, and then I can
> translate some code into C++, and some other person could go in and get my
> adaptation of Oliver's code into a GUI.
>
> 2009/10/15 Joe Developer 
>
>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 2:49 AM, Sam Osborne > > wrote:
>>
>>> 1: Ok.
>>>
>>> 2: No, not make my own project based on yours, help you to translate it.
>>> If you turn it into C++ (which, if you can't do, I'll try to do) it'll be
>>> able to run on Windows, Mac AND Linux.
>>> I'd be having a look at the VB code, learn how the parts I'm not sure
>>> about work and what their C++ equivalents are.
>>>
>>
>> I think you will find that the bulk of it is tied to the windows gui
>> interface, the interfacing with Wave is done via http and scraping,
>> basically just doing the steps that your browser does while logging you in
>> (passing cookies and auth).
>>
>>
>>> It's simply because of the fact that .net programs cannot be run on Mac
>>> or Linux, where some Wave users are.
>>
>> Well, there is Mono.
>>
>>
>>> You could TRY getting it to run on AIR, but I'm not sure how that works
>>> :S
>>> You may want to look at C++ For 
>>> Dummies
>>>
>>> Getting weaned off VB sounds like a good call.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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[Google Wave APIs] Re: Google Wave Inbox Notification tool for the Windows Desktop

[Oliver Baker]

Hi Again,
I see your point Sam.

The only problem is I can't code in C++, and the plans that I have for this
application would go well beyond the capability of me learning within a few
days.

Also it would mean I would not be able to Bug Fix my own application for a
while and would have to rely on others doing it for me which could be pretty
dangerous.

I don't mind you creating a C++ version of my App, at the moment I am
creating a new GUI interface for the Application.
I will not be able to help you create the C++ version, since I am going to
have to start learning C++ real fast.

I am going to put up some Future designs for the application including an
example Preview of the applications dialog window in the wave :
https://wave.google.com/wave/?pli=1#restored:wave:googlewave.com!w%252BbTKibG6gA.2
 .

Anyway, I will put up the current source of the application within the
next couple of hours.

I wouldn't mind this all being done in C++, but I have to be careful I start
going into something I can't do. I don't want to ruin myself.

Regards,
Oliver Baker

On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 8:49 AM, Sam Osborne wrote:

> 1: Ok.
>
> 2: No, not make my own project based on yours, help you to translate it. If
> you turn it into C++ (which, if you can't do, I'll try to do) it'll be able
> to run on Windows, Mac AND Linux.
> I'd be having a look at the VB code, learn how the parts I'm not sure about
> work and what their C++ equivalents are.
> It's simply because of the fact that .net programs cannot be run on Mac or
> Linux, where some Wave users are. You could TRY getting it to run on AIR,
> but I'm not sure how that works :S
> You may want to look at C++ For 
> Dummies
>
>
> 2009/10/15 Oliver Baker 
>
>> Hi Sam,
>> *Answer to your First Question:*
>>
>> If you read the whole post you will know I have been given permission by
>> Google to (For This Application only) Breach Condition L of  the Google Wave
>> Program Policy until the relative API is released by Google.
>>
>> Which means that there is no current API for what I have done.
>>
>> *Answer to your second question.*
>>
>> I am assuming that you want to create your own project based on my source
>> code Seems pretty harsh Sam.
>>
>> The Main part of my application that you probably want to obtain is the
>> part which obtains the information. When the API comes out, my applications
>> source to you that you currently want would be near pointless
>>
>> The source will be put up on Google Code soon (Within 2-3 days) since
>> parts of it have to be re-written. I don't mind you using my source code.
>> But I am trusting people not to pull a fast one on me.
>>
>> Hope that answers your questions.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Oliver Baker
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 7:56 AM, Sam Osborne > > wrote:
>>
>>> Ok.. I can interpret VB.net... Ish.. Now I want to know two things:
>>>
>>>- How did you manage to get the APIs from whatever language they're
>>>in (Java/Python I think) to VB?
>>>- Where's the source? I wanna see if I can get the source, translate
>>>it into C++, and then get it to run in Linux..
>>>
>>>
>>> 2009/10/15 Oliver Baker 
>>>
 Hi Sam,
 The Application is made in Visual Basic .net 3.5 (Yes, I am only 17,
 still studying for a Bachelors and VB is easier than C# and obviously
 C/C++).


 On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 7:23 AM, Sam Osborne <
 sam.tosbo...@googlemail.com> wrote:

> What language is it made in?
>
> 2009/10/15 Oliver Baker 
>
> Hi All,
>> I have good news!!!
>>
>> Pamela has allowed me to continue developing and displaying my
>> application using its current "Scrapping" method until the API comes out.
>>
>> I have put the Application back on Google Code and will shortly be
>> releasing an update which fixes the Proxy Authentication issue.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Oliver Baker
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:38 AM, kim3er  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for clearing that up, I was a bit taken back by the use of the
>>> word illegal for scraping websites. I suspect that we will start to
>>> see the nature of scraping change in the near future as websites
>>> become the API. Pages written in valid XHTML/HTML 5 with meaningful
>>> naming conventions (like micro formats). I don't think scraping can
>>> be
>>> a dirty word anymore. But I can understand the need for a company
>>> like
>>> Google to control where and how the bandwidth is used.
>>>
>>> Rich
>>>
>>> On Oct 14, 4:11 am, "pamela (Google Employee)" 
>>> wrote:
>>> > Sure, good point, let me clarify, though please keep in mind that
>>> I'm not a
>>> > lawyer...
>>> >
>>> > According to the Google Wave terms of use, it is not permitted to
>>> "modify,
>>> > adapt, translate, or reverse engineer any portion of the Service
>>> unless
>>> > express

[Google Wave APIs] Re: Google Wave Inbox Notification tool for the Windows Desktop

[Sam Osborne]

People prefer to just be able to run/install something, without having to go
around installing other things as well... Getting away from VB is always a
good call.. I did VB for the past 2 years, now I'm C++-ing.
Seeing as I'm not even half way through that pdf, I can't do GUI's yet (:(),
though, if I can translate the http scraping and whatnot code, then someone
else could do that bit..
Open Source means other people can take the code and do what they like with
it, and it's also a community effort, so many people can contribute.. For
example, Oliver can go for the main code, the Windows bits, and then I can
translate some code into C++, and some other person could go in and get my
adaptation of Oliver's code into a GUI.

2009/10/15 Joe Developer 

>
>
> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 2:49 AM, Sam Osborne 
> wrote:
>
>> 1: Ok.
>>
>> 2: No, not make my own project based on yours, help you to translate it.
>> If you turn it into C++ (which, if you can't do, I'll try to do) it'll be
>> able to run on Windows, Mac AND Linux.
>> I'd be having a look at the VB code, learn how the parts I'm not sure
>> about work and what their C++ equivalents are.
>>
>
> I think you will find that the bulk of it is tied to the windows gui
> interface, the interfacing with Wave is done via http and scraping,
> basically just doing the steps that your browser does while logging you in
> (passing cookies and auth).
>
>
>> It's simply because of the fact that .net programs cannot be run on Mac or
>> Linux, where some Wave users are.
>
> Well, there is Mono.
>
>
>> You could TRY getting it to run on AIR, but I'm not sure how that works :S
>> You may want to look at C++ For 
>> Dummies
>>
>> Getting weaned off VB sounds like a good call.
>
>
>
> >
>

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[Google Wave APIs] Re: Google Wave Inbox Notification tool for the Windows Desktop

[Joe Developer]

On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 2:49 AM, Sam Osborne wrote:

> 1: Ok.
>
> 2: No, not make my own project based on yours, help you to translate it. If
> you turn it into C++ (which, if you can't do, I'll try to do) it'll be able
> to run on Windows, Mac AND Linux.
> I'd be having a look at the VB code, learn how the parts I'm not sure about
> work and what their C++ equivalents are.
>

I think you will find that the bulk of it is tied to the windows gui
interface, the interfacing with Wave is done via http and scraping,
basically just doing the steps that your browser does while logging you in
(passing cookies and auth).


> It's simply because of the fact that .net programs cannot be run on Mac or
> Linux, where some Wave users are.

Well, there is Mono.


> You could TRY getting it to run on AIR, but I'm not sure how that works :S
> You may want to look at C++ For 
> Dummies
>
> Getting weaned off VB sounds like a good call.

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[Google Wave APIs] Re: Google Wave Inbox Notification tool for the Windows Desktop

[Sam Osborne]

1: Ok.

2: No, not make my own project based on yours, help you to translate it. If
you turn it into C++ (which, if you can't do, I'll try to do) it'll be able
to run on Windows, Mac AND Linux.
I'd be having a look at the VB code, learn how the parts I'm not sure about
work and what their C++ equivalents are.
It's simply because of the fact that .net programs cannot be run on Mac or
Linux, where some Wave users are. You could TRY getting it to run on AIR,
but I'm not sure how that works :S
You may want to look at C++ For
Dummies

2009/10/15 Oliver Baker 

> Hi Sam,
> *Answer to your First Question:*
>
> If you read the whole post you will know I have been given permission by
> Google to (For This Application only) Breach Condition L of  the Google Wave
> Program Policy until the relative API is released by Google.
>
> Which means that there is no current API for what I have done.
>
> *Answer to your second question.*
>
> I am assuming that you want to create your own project based on my source
> code Seems pretty harsh Sam.
>
> The Main part of my application that you probably want to obtain is the
> part which obtains the information. When the API comes out, my applications
> source to you that you currently want would be near pointless
>
> The source will be put up on Google Code soon (Within 2-3 days) since parts
> of it have to be re-written. I don't mind you using my source code. But I am
> trusting people not to pull a fast one on me.
>
> Hope that answers your questions.
>
> Regards,
> Oliver Baker
>
> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 7:56 AM, Sam Osborne 
> wrote:
>
>> Ok.. I can interpret VB.net... Ish.. Now I want to know two things:
>>
>>- How did you manage to get the APIs from whatever language they're in
>>(Java/Python I think) to VB?
>>- Where's the source? I wanna see if I can get the source, translate
>>it into C++, and then get it to run in Linux..
>>
>>
>> 2009/10/15 Oliver Baker 
>>
>>> Hi Sam,
>>> The Application is made in Visual Basic .net 3.5 (Yes, I am only 17,
>>> still studying for a Bachelors and VB is easier than C# and obviously
>>> C/C++).
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 7:23 AM, Sam Osborne <
>>> sam.tosbo...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>
 What language is it made in?

 2009/10/15 Oliver Baker 

 Hi All,
> I have good news!!!
>
> Pamela has allowed me to continue developing and displaying my
> application using its current "Scrapping" method until the API comes out.
>
> I have put the Application back on Google Code and will shortly be
> releasing an update which fixes the Proxy Authentication issue.
>
> Thanks,
> Oliver Baker
>
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:38 AM, kim3er  wrote:
>
>>
>> Thanks for clearing that up, I was a bit taken back by the use of the
>> word illegal for scraping websites. I suspect that we will start to
>> see the nature of scraping change in the near future as websites
>> become the API. Pages written in valid XHTML/HTML 5 with meaningful
>> naming conventions (like micro formats). I don't think scraping can be
>> a dirty word anymore. But I can understand the need for a company like
>> Google to control where and how the bandwidth is used.
>>
>> Rich
>>
>> On Oct 14, 4:11 am, "pamela (Google Employee)" 
>> wrote:
>> > Sure, good point, let me clarify, though please keep in mind that
>> I'm not a
>> > lawyer...
>> >
>> > According to the Google Wave terms of use, it is not permitted to
>> "modify,
>> > adapt, translate, or reverse engineer any portion of the Service
>> unless
>> > expressly authorized". In Oliver's prototype, he essentially reverse
>> > engineered the client display mechanism to extract the content. You
>> can read
>> > more of the policies at:
>> http://wave.google.com/help/wave/program_policies.html
>> >
>> > Once we have an API to let you programmatically extract the content
>> -- which
>> > is something we're working on -- then that API could be used to
>> build this
>> > prototype without having to reverse engineer. Another thing to
>> consider,
>> > more in the wave protocol effort, would be a client/server protocol
>> -- but
>> > things are early there at the moment.
>> >
>> > - pamela
>> >
>> > On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Joe Developer <
>> joe.d.develo...@gmail.com>wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > > On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 7:42 AM, pamela (Google Employee) <
>> > > pamela...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > >> Hey Oliver-
>> > >> I responded to you offline, but will also respond here to keep
>> the thread
>> > >> in the forum.
>> >
>> > >> I assumed that was how you were doing this, but wanted to give
>> you a
>> > >> chance to explain. It is generally considered illegal to 

[Google Wave APIs] Re: Google Wave Inbox Notification tool for the Windows Desktop

[Oliver Baker]

Hi Sam,
*Answer to your First Question:*

If you read the whole post you will know I have been given permission by
Google to (For This Application only) Breach Condition L of  the Google Wave
Program Policy until the relative API is released by Google.

Which means that there is no current API for what I have done.

*Answer to your second question.*

I am assuming that you want to create your own project based on my source
code Seems pretty harsh Sam.

The Main part of my application that you probably want to obtain is the part
which obtains the information. When the API comes out, my applications
source to you that you currently want would be near pointless

The source will be put up on Google Code soon (Within 2-3 days) since parts
of it have to be re-written. I don't mind you using my source code. But I am
trusting people not to pull a fast one on me.

Hope that answers your questions.

Regards,
Oliver Baker

On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 7:56 AM, Sam Osborne wrote:

> Ok.. I can interpret VB.net... Ish.. Now I want to know two things:
>
>- How did you manage to get the APIs from whatever language they're in
>(Java/Python I think) to VB?
>- Where's the source? I wanna see if I can get the source, translate it
>into C++, and then get it to run in Linux..
>
>
> 2009/10/15 Oliver Baker 
>
>> Hi Sam,
>> The Application is made in Visual Basic .net 3.5 (Yes, I am only 17, still
>> studying for a Bachelors and VB is easier than C# and obviously C/C++).
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 7:23 AM, Sam Osborne > > wrote:
>>
>>> What language is it made in?
>>>
>>> 2009/10/15 Oliver Baker 
>>>
>>> Hi All,
 I have good news!!!

 Pamela has allowed me to continue developing and displaying my
 application using its current "Scrapping" method until the API comes out.

 I have put the Application back on Google Code and will shortly be
 releasing an update which fixes the Proxy Authentication issue.

 Thanks,
 Oliver Baker

 On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:38 AM, kim3er  wrote:

>
> Thanks for clearing that up, I was a bit taken back by the use of the
> word illegal for scraping websites. I suspect that we will start to
> see the nature of scraping change in the near future as websites
> become the API. Pages written in valid XHTML/HTML 5 with meaningful
> naming conventions (like micro formats). I don't think scraping can be
> a dirty word anymore. But I can understand the need for a company like
> Google to control where and how the bandwidth is used.
>
> Rich
>
> On Oct 14, 4:11 am, "pamela (Google Employee)" 
> wrote:
> > Sure, good point, let me clarify, though please keep in mind that I'm
> not a
> > lawyer...
> >
> > According to the Google Wave terms of use, it is not permitted to
> "modify,
> > adapt, translate, or reverse engineer any portion of the Service
> unless
> > expressly authorized". In Oliver's prototype, he essentially reverse
> > engineered the client display mechanism to extract the content. You
> can read
> > more of the policies at:
> http://wave.google.com/help/wave/program_policies.html
> >
> > Once we have an API to let you programmatically extract the content
> -- which
> > is something we're working on -- then that API could be used to build
> this
> > prototype without having to reverse engineer. Another thing to
> consider,
> > more in the wave protocol effort, would be a client/server protocol
> -- but
> > things are early there at the moment.
> >
> > - pamela
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Joe Developer <
> joe.d.develo...@gmail.com>wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 7:42 AM, pamela (Google Employee) <
> > > pamela...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >> Hey Oliver-
> > >> I responded to you offline, but will also respond here to keep the
> thread
> > >> in the forum.
> >
> > >> I assumed that was how you were doing this, but wanted to give you
> a
> > >> chance to explain. It is generally considered illegal to "scrape"
> the HTML
> > >> of webpages that do not grant explicit permission for that. That
> is why
> > >> webpages provide APIs- so that developers can legally use content.
> >
> > >> Really? Generally considered illegal? I would appreciate a link
> that
> > > documents such a finding. I would imagine that google search
> results would
> > > be fairly sparsely populated if they could only include those pages
> that
> > > include explicit permission for google to scrape.
> >
> > > I would advise on waiting until we offer some sort of Google data
> API to
> > >> distribute a program like this.
> >
> > >> - pamela
> >
> > >> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 8:27 AM, Oliver Baker 
> wrote:
> >
> > >>> How dar

[Google Wave APIs] Re: Google Wave Inbox Notification tool for the Windows Desktop

[Sam Osborne]

Ok.. I can interpret VB.net... Ish.. Now I want to know two things:

   - How did you manage to get the APIs from whatever language they're in
   (Java/Python I think) to VB?
   - Where's the source? I wanna see if I can get the source, translate it
   into C++, and then get it to run in Linux..


2009/10/15 Oliver Baker 

> Hi Sam,
> The Application is made in Visual Basic .net 3.5 (Yes, I am only 17, still
> studying for a Bachelors and VB is easier than C# and obviously C/C++).
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 7:23 AM, Sam Osborne 
> wrote:
>
>> What language is it made in?
>>
>> 2009/10/15 Oliver Baker 
>>
>> Hi All,
>>> I have good news!!!
>>>
>>> Pamela has allowed me to continue developing and displaying my
>>> application using its current "Scrapping" method until the API comes out.
>>>
>>> I have put the Application back on Google Code and will shortly be
>>> releasing an update which fixes the Proxy Authentication issue.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Oliver Baker
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:38 AM, kim3er  wrote:
>>>

 Thanks for clearing that up, I was a bit taken back by the use of the
 word illegal for scraping websites. I suspect that we will start to
 see the nature of scraping change in the near future as websites
 become the API. Pages written in valid XHTML/HTML 5 with meaningful
 naming conventions (like micro formats). I don't think scraping can be
 a dirty word anymore. But I can understand the need for a company like
 Google to control where and how the bandwidth is used.

 Rich

 On Oct 14, 4:11 am, "pamela (Google Employee)" 
 wrote:
 > Sure, good point, let me clarify, though please keep in mind that I'm
 not a
 > lawyer...
 >
 > According to the Google Wave terms of use, it is not permitted to
 "modify,
 > adapt, translate, or reverse engineer any portion of the Service
 unless
 > expressly authorized". In Oliver's prototype, he essentially reverse
 > engineered the client display mechanism to extract the content. You
 can read
 > more of the policies at:
 http://wave.google.com/help/wave/program_policies.html
 >
 > Once we have an API to let you programmatically extract the content --
 which
 > is something we're working on -- then that API could be used to build
 this
 > prototype without having to reverse engineer. Another thing to
 consider,
 > more in the wave protocol effort, would be a client/server protocol --
 but
 > things are early there at the moment.
 >
 > - pamela
 >
 > On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Joe Developer <
 joe.d.develo...@gmail.com>wrote:
 >
 >
 >
 > > On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 7:42 AM, pamela (Google Employee) <
 > > pamela...@gmail.com> wrote:
 >
 > >> Hey Oliver-
 > >> I responded to you offline, but will also respond here to keep the
 thread
 > >> in the forum.
 >
 > >> I assumed that was how you were doing this, but wanted to give you
 a
 > >> chance to explain. It is generally considered illegal to "scrape"
 the HTML
 > >> of webpages that do not grant explicit permission for that. That is
 why
 > >> webpages provide APIs- so that developers can legally use content.
 >
 > >> Really? Generally considered illegal? I would appreciate a link
 that
 > > documents such a finding. I would imagine that google search results
 would
 > > be fairly sparsely populated if they could only include those pages
 that
 > > include explicit permission for google to scrape.
 >
 > > I would advise on waiting until we offer some sort of Google data
 API to
 > >> distribute a program like this.
 >
 > >> - pamela
 >
 > >> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 8:27 AM, Oliver Baker 
 wrote:
 >
 > >>> How dare you Andrey!
 >
 > >>> I do not store any of your information what so ever excluding the
 last
 > >>> Wave server you selected.
 >
 > >>> Any Login information you enter is immediatly put into the Google
 Wave
 > >>> Login page to log the application into the Google Wave login page.
 >
 > >>> To enter your login details on Version 2 (Sorry I made this a
 little
 > >>> stupidly) you will need to left click on the Notify Icon or right
 > >>> click the icon, go into the Waves item, then click the login to
 see
 > >>> your waves button.
 >
 > >>> Also, make sure you have Google Chrome Frame installed on your
 > >>> computer for this to work. I am still working out the bugs.
 >
 > >>> On Oct 14, 10:07 am, Andrey Fedorov  wrote:
 > >>> > Uhoh, I hope you guys are at least running antivirus as you run
 exe's
 > >>> you
 > >>> > downloaded online?
 > >>> > - Andrey
 >
 > >>> > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 2:15 PM, Scott Breakall <
 break...@gmail.com>
 > >>> wrote:
 >
 > >>> >

[Google Wave APIs] Re: Google Wave Inbox Notification tool for the Windows Desktop

[Oliver Baker]

Hi Sam,
The Application is made in Visual Basic .net 3.5 (Yes, I am only 17, still
studying for a Bachelors and VB is easier than C# and obviously C/C++).


On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 7:23 AM, Sam Osborne wrote:

> What language is it made in?
>
> 2009/10/15 Oliver Baker 
>
> Hi All,
>> I have good news!!!
>>
>> Pamela has allowed me to continue developing and displaying my application
>> using its current "Scrapping" method until the API comes out.
>>
>> I have put the Application back on Google Code and will shortly be
>> releasing an update which fixes the Proxy Authentication issue.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Oliver Baker
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:38 AM, kim3er  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for clearing that up, I was a bit taken back by the use of the
>>> word illegal for scraping websites. I suspect that we will start to
>>> see the nature of scraping change in the near future as websites
>>> become the API. Pages written in valid XHTML/HTML 5 with meaningful
>>> naming conventions (like micro formats). I don't think scraping can be
>>> a dirty word anymore. But I can understand the need for a company like
>>> Google to control where and how the bandwidth is used.
>>>
>>> Rich
>>>
>>> On Oct 14, 4:11 am, "pamela (Google Employee)" 
>>> wrote:
>>> > Sure, good point, let me clarify, though please keep in mind that I'm
>>> not a
>>> > lawyer...
>>> >
>>> > According to the Google Wave terms of use, it is not permitted to
>>> "modify,
>>> > adapt, translate, or reverse engineer any portion of the Service unless
>>> > expressly authorized". In Oliver's prototype, he essentially reverse
>>> > engineered the client display mechanism to extract the content. You can
>>> read
>>> > more of the policies at:
>>> http://wave.google.com/help/wave/program_policies.html
>>> >
>>> > Once we have an API to let you programmatically extract the content --
>>> which
>>> > is something we're working on -- then that API could be used to build
>>> this
>>> > prototype without having to reverse engineer. Another thing to
>>> consider,
>>> > more in the wave protocol effort, would be a client/server protocol --
>>> but
>>> > things are early there at the moment.
>>> >
>>> > - pamela
>>> >
>>> > On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Joe Developer <
>>> joe.d.develo...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > > On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 7:42 AM, pamela (Google Employee) <
>>> > > pamela...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > >> Hey Oliver-
>>> > >> I responded to you offline, but will also respond here to keep the
>>> thread
>>> > >> in the forum.
>>> >
>>> > >> I assumed that was how you were doing this, but wanted to give you a
>>> > >> chance to explain. It is generally considered illegal to "scrape"
>>> the HTML
>>> > >> of webpages that do not grant explicit permission for that. That is
>>> why
>>> > >> webpages provide APIs- so that developers can legally use content.
>>> >
>>> > >> Really? Generally considered illegal? I would appreciate a link that
>>> > > documents such a finding. I would imagine that google search results
>>> would
>>> > > be fairly sparsely populated if they could only include those pages
>>> that
>>> > > include explicit permission for google to scrape.
>>> >
>>> > > I would advise on waiting until we offer some sort of Google data API
>>> to
>>> > >> distribute a program like this.
>>> >
>>> > >> - pamela
>>> >
>>> > >> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 8:27 AM, Oliver Baker 
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > >>> How dare you Andrey!
>>> >
>>> > >>> I do not store any of your information what so ever excluding the
>>> last
>>> > >>> Wave server you selected.
>>> >
>>> > >>> Any Login information you enter is immediatly put into the Google
>>> Wave
>>> > >>> Login page to log the application into the Google Wave login page.
>>> >
>>> > >>> To enter your login details on Version 2 (Sorry I made this a
>>> little
>>> > >>> stupidly) you will need to left click on the Notify Icon or right
>>> > >>> click the icon, go into the Waves item, then click the login to see
>>> > >>> your waves button.
>>> >
>>> > >>> Also, make sure you have Google Chrome Frame installed on your
>>> > >>> computer for this to work. I am still working out the bugs.
>>> >
>>> > >>> On Oct 14, 10:07 am, Andrey Fedorov  wrote:
>>> > >>> > Uhoh, I hope you guys are at least running antivirus as you run
>>> exe's
>>> > >>> you
>>> > >>> > downloaded online?
>>> > >>> > - Andrey
>>> >
>>> > >>> > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 2:15 PM, Scott Breakall <
>>> break...@gmail.com>
>>> > >>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > >>> > > I've downloaded the exe, but am I missing something? There's
>>> nowhere
>>> > >>> > > for me to enter my wave credentials?
>>> >
>>> > >>> > > ~Scott~
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> >
>

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[Google Wave APIs] Re: Google Wave Inbox Notification tool for the Windows Desktop

[Sam Osborne]

What language is it made in?

2009/10/15 Oliver Baker 

> Hi All,
> I have good news!!!
>
> Pamela has allowed me to continue developing and displaying my application
> using its current "Scrapping" method until the API comes out.
>
> I have put the Application back on Google Code and will shortly be
> releasing an update which fixes the Proxy Authentication issue.
>
> Thanks,
> Oliver Baker
>
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:38 AM, kim3er  wrote:
>
>>
>> Thanks for clearing that up, I was a bit taken back by the use of the
>> word illegal for scraping websites. I suspect that we will start to
>> see the nature of scraping change in the near future as websites
>> become the API. Pages written in valid XHTML/HTML 5 with meaningful
>> naming conventions (like micro formats). I don't think scraping can be
>> a dirty word anymore. But I can understand the need for a company like
>> Google to control where and how the bandwidth is used.
>>
>> Rich
>>
>> On Oct 14, 4:11 am, "pamela (Google Employee)" 
>> wrote:
>> > Sure, good point, let me clarify, though please keep in mind that I'm
>> not a
>> > lawyer...
>> >
>> > According to the Google Wave terms of use, it is not permitted to
>> "modify,
>> > adapt, translate, or reverse engineer any portion of the Service unless
>> > expressly authorized". In Oliver's prototype, he essentially reverse
>> > engineered the client display mechanism to extract the content. You can
>> read
>> > more of the policies at:
>> http://wave.google.com/help/wave/program_policies.html
>> >
>> > Once we have an API to let you programmatically extract the content --
>> which
>> > is something we're working on -- then that API could be used to build
>> this
>> > prototype without having to reverse engineer. Another thing to consider,
>> > more in the wave protocol effort, would be a client/server protocol --
>> but
>> > things are early there at the moment.
>> >
>> > - pamela
>> >
>> > On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Joe Developer <
>> joe.d.develo...@gmail.com>wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > > On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 7:42 AM, pamela (Google Employee) <
>> > > pamela...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > >> Hey Oliver-
>> > >> I responded to you offline, but will also respond here to keep the
>> thread
>> > >> in the forum.
>> >
>> > >> I assumed that was how you were doing this, but wanted to give you a
>> > >> chance to explain. It is generally considered illegal to "scrape" the
>> HTML
>> > >> of webpages that do not grant explicit permission for that. That is
>> why
>> > >> webpages provide APIs- so that developers can legally use content.
>> >
>> > >> Really? Generally considered illegal? I would appreciate a link that
>> > > documents such a finding. I would imagine that google search results
>> would
>> > > be fairly sparsely populated if they could only include those pages
>> that
>> > > include explicit permission for google to scrape.
>> >
>> > > I would advise on waiting until we offer some sort of Google data API
>> to
>> > >> distribute a program like this.
>> >
>> > >> - pamela
>> >
>> > >> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 8:27 AM, Oliver Baker 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > >>> How dare you Andrey!
>> >
>> > >>> I do not store any of your information what so ever excluding the
>> last
>> > >>> Wave server you selected.
>> >
>> > >>> Any Login information you enter is immediatly put into the Google
>> Wave
>> > >>> Login page to log the application into the Google Wave login page.
>> >
>> > >>> To enter your login details on Version 2 (Sorry I made this a little
>> > >>> stupidly) you will need to left click on the Notify Icon or right
>> > >>> click the icon, go into the Waves item, then click the login to see
>> > >>> your waves button.
>> >
>> > >>> Also, make sure you have Google Chrome Frame installed on your
>> > >>> computer for this to work. I am still working out the bugs.
>> >
>> > >>> On Oct 14, 10:07 am, Andrey Fedorov  wrote:
>> > >>> > Uhoh, I hope you guys are at least running antivirus as you run
>> exe's
>> > >>> you
>> > >>> > downloaded online?
>> > >>> > - Andrey
>> >
>> > >>> > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 2:15 PM, Scott Breakall <
>> break...@gmail.com>
>> > >>> wrote:
>> >
>> > >>> > > I've downloaded the exe, but am I missing something? There's
>> nowhere
>> > >>> > > for me to enter my wave credentials?
>> >
>> > >>> > > ~Scott~
>>
>>
>>
>
> >
>

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[Google Wave APIs] Re: Google Wave Inbox Notification tool for the Windows Desktop

[Oliver Baker]

Hi All,
I have good news!!!

Pamela has allowed me to continue developing and displaying my application
using its current "Scrapping" method until the API comes out.

I have put the Application back on Google Code and will shortly be releasing
an update which fixes the Proxy Authentication issue.

Thanks,
Oliver Baker

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:38 AM, kim3er  wrote:

>
> Thanks for clearing that up, I was a bit taken back by the use of the
> word illegal for scraping websites. I suspect that we will start to
> see the nature of scraping change in the near future as websites
> become the API. Pages written in valid XHTML/HTML 5 with meaningful
> naming conventions (like micro formats). I don't think scraping can be
> a dirty word anymore. But I can understand the need for a company like
> Google to control where and how the bandwidth is used.
>
> Rich
>
> On Oct 14, 4:11 am, "pamela (Google Employee)" 
> wrote:
> > Sure, good point, let me clarify, though please keep in mind that I'm not
> a
> > lawyer...
> >
> > According to the Google Wave terms of use, it is not permitted to
> "modify,
> > adapt, translate, or reverse engineer any portion of the Service unless
> > expressly authorized". In Oliver's prototype, he essentially reverse
> > engineered the client display mechanism to extract the content. You can
> read
> > more of the policies at:
> http://wave.google.com/help/wave/program_policies.html
> >
> > Once we have an API to let you programmatically extract the content --
> which
> > is something we're working on -- then that API could be used to build
> this
> > prototype without having to reverse engineer. Another thing to consider,
> > more in the wave protocol effort, would be a client/server protocol --
> but
> > things are early there at the moment.
> >
> > - pamela
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Joe Developer <
> joe.d.develo...@gmail.com>wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 7:42 AM, pamela (Google Employee) <
> > > pamela...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >> Hey Oliver-
> > >> I responded to you offline, but will also respond here to keep the
> thread
> > >> in the forum.
> >
> > >> I assumed that was how you were doing this, but wanted to give you a
> > >> chance to explain. It is generally considered illegal to "scrape" the
> HTML
> > >> of webpages that do not grant explicit permission for that. That is
> why
> > >> webpages provide APIs- so that developers can legally use content.
> >
> > >> Really? Generally considered illegal? I would appreciate a link that
> > > documents such a finding. I would imagine that google search results
> would
> > > be fairly sparsely populated if they could only include those pages
> that
> > > include explicit permission for google to scrape.
> >
> > > I would advise on waiting until we offer some sort of Google data API
> to
> > >> distribute a program like this.
> >
> > >> - pamela
> >
> > >> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 8:27 AM, Oliver Baker 
> wrote:
> >
> > >>> How dare you Andrey!
> >
> > >>> I do not store any of your information what so ever excluding the
> last
> > >>> Wave server you selected.
> >
> > >>> Any Login information you enter is immediatly put into the Google
> Wave
> > >>> Login page to log the application into the Google Wave login page.
> >
> > >>> To enter your login details on Version 2 (Sorry I made this a little
> > >>> stupidly) you will need to left click on the Notify Icon or right
> > >>> click the icon, go into the Waves item, then click the login to see
> > >>> your waves button.
> >
> > >>> Also, make sure you have Google Chrome Frame installed on your
> > >>> computer for this to work. I am still working out the bugs.
> >
> > >>> On Oct 14, 10:07 am, Andrey Fedorov  wrote:
> > >>> > Uhoh, I hope you guys are at least running antivirus as you run
> exe's
> > >>> you
> > >>> > downloaded online?
> > >>> > - Andrey
> >
> > >>> > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 2:15 PM, Scott Breakall <
> break...@gmail.com>
> > >>> wrote:
> >
> > >>> > > I've downloaded the exe, but am I missing something? There's
> nowhere
> > >>> > > for me to enter my wave credentials?
> >
> > >>> > > ~Scott~
>
> >
>

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[Google Wave APIs] Re: Google Wave Inbox Notification tool for the Windows Desktop

[kim3er]

Thanks for clearing that up, I was a bit taken back by the use of the
word illegal for scraping websites. I suspect that we will start to
see the nature of scraping change in the near future as websites
become the API. Pages written in valid XHTML/HTML 5 with meaningful
naming conventions (like micro formats). I don't think scraping can be
a dirty word anymore. But I can understand the need for a company like
Google to control where and how the bandwidth is used.

Rich

On Oct 14, 4:11 am, "pamela (Google Employee)" 
wrote:
> Sure, good point, let me clarify, though please keep in mind that I'm not a
> lawyer...
>
> According to the Google Wave terms of use, it is not permitted to "modify,
> adapt, translate, or reverse engineer any portion of the Service unless
> expressly authorized". In Oliver's prototype, he essentially reverse
> engineered the client display mechanism to extract the content. You can read
> more of the policies at:http://wave.google.com/help/wave/program_policies.html
>
> Once we have an API to let you programmatically extract the content -- which
> is something we're working on -- then that API could be used to build this
> prototype without having to reverse engineer. Another thing to consider,
> more in the wave protocol effort, would be a client/server protocol -- but
> things are early there at the moment.
>
> - pamela
>
> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Joe Developer 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 7:42 AM, pamela (Google Employee) <
> > pamela...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> Hey Oliver-
> >> I responded to you offline, but will also respond here to keep the thread
> >> in the forum.
>
> >> I assumed that was how you were doing this, but wanted to give you a
> >> chance to explain. It is generally considered illegal to "scrape" the HTML
> >> of webpages that do not grant explicit permission for that. That is why
> >> webpages provide APIs- so that developers can legally use content.
>
> >> Really? Generally considered illegal? I would appreciate a link that
> > documents such a finding. I would imagine that google search results would
> > be fairly sparsely populated if they could only include those pages that
> > include explicit permission for google to scrape.
>
> > I would advise on waiting until we offer some sort of Google data API to
> >> distribute a program like this.
>
> >> - pamela
>
> >> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 8:27 AM, Oliver Baker  wrote:
>
> >>> How dare you Andrey!
>
> >>> I do not store any of your information what so ever excluding the last
> >>> Wave server you selected.
>
> >>> Any Login information you enter is immediatly put into the Google Wave
> >>> Login page to log the application into the Google Wave login page.
>
> >>> To enter your login details on Version 2 (Sorry I made this a little
> >>> stupidly) you will need to left click on the Notify Icon or right
> >>> click the icon, go into the Waves item, then click the login to see
> >>> your waves button.
>
> >>> Also, make sure you have Google Chrome Frame installed on your
> >>> computer for this to work. I am still working out the bugs.
>
> >>> On Oct 14, 10:07 am, Andrey Fedorov  wrote:
> >>> > Uhoh, I hope you guys are at least running antivirus as you run exe's
> >>> you
> >>> > downloaded online?
> >>> > - Andrey
>
> >>> > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 2:15 PM, Scott Breakall 
> >>> wrote:
>
> >>> > > I've downloaded the exe, but am I missing something? There's nowhere
> >>> > > for me to enter my wave credentials?
>
> >>> > > ~Scott~

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[Google Wave APIs] Re: Google Wave Inbox Notification tool for the Windows Desktop

[Oliver Baker]

Hi Guys,
Although I have pulled the program out of the project for the time being. I
am still pressing on with its development (of course leaving out
information retrieval for when the API is released) so I am still going to
need people to help test out the program to get rid of bugs.

For those of you who have used the program before I removed it, no, it will
certainly not look like that to the user when the API is released, it will
look much better.

for those of you who are still interested in bug testing, you can reply to
this topic and if you feel like it send me a Wave on either the Dev or the
Preview (Username is ocbaker) showing your interest.

Once I have redesigned the interface enough I will start to release preview
versions of the application on Google Code with temporary preview
information in the place of where the real information will go when the API
is released. Just so you guys can get a feel for the application and let me
know what your opinion of it is.

Once again I apologize for my little mistake.

Regards,
Oliver Baker

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 5:10 PM, Dan Peterson  wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 2:11 PM, pamela (Google Employee) <
> pamela...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Once we have an API to let you programmatically extract the content --
>> which is something we're working on -- then that API could be used to build
>> this prototype without having to reverse engineer. Another thing to
>> consider, more in the wave protocol effort, would be a client/server
>> protocol -- but things are early there at the moment.
>>
>>
> I'm looking forward to a day when we have such APIs exposed :)
>
>
>> - pamela
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Joe Developer > > wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 7:42 AM, pamela (Google Employee) <
>>> pamela...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Hey Oliver-
 I responded to you offline, but will also respond here to keep the
 thread in the forum.

 I assumed that was how you were doing this, but wanted to give you a
 chance to explain. It is generally considered illegal to "scrape" the HTML
 of webpages that do not grant explicit permission for that. That is why
 webpages provide APIs- so that developers can legally use content.

 Really? Generally considered illegal? I would appreciate a link that
>>> documents such a finding. I would imagine that google search results would
>>> be fairly sparsely populated if they could only include those pages that
>>> include explicit permission for google to scrape.
>>>
>>> I would advise on waiting until we offer some sort of Google data API to
 distribute a program like this.

 - pamela


 On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 8:27 AM, Oliver Baker wrote:

>
> How dare you Andrey!
>
> I do not store any of your information what so ever excluding the last
> Wave server you selected.
>
> Any Login information you enter is immediatly put into the Google Wave
> Login page to log the application into the Google Wave login page.
>
> To enter your login details on Version 2 (Sorry I made this a little
> stupidly) you will need to left click on the Notify Icon or right
> click the icon, go into the Waves item, then click the login to see
> your waves button.
>
> Also, make sure you have Google Chrome Frame installed on your
> computer for this to work. I am still working out the bugs.
>
> On Oct 14, 10:07 am, Andrey Fedorov  wrote:
> > Uhoh, I hope you guys are at least running antivirus as you run exe's
> you
> > downloaded online?
> > - Andrey
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 2:15 PM, Scott Breakall 
> wrote:
> >
> > > I've downloaded the exe, but am I missing something? There's
> nowhere
> > > for me to enter my wave credentials?
> >
> > > ~Scott~
>
>
>



>>>
>>>
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[Google Wave APIs] Re: Google Wave Inbox Notification tool for the Windows Desktop

[Dan Peterson]

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 2:11 PM, pamela (Google Employee) <
pamela...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Once we have an API to let you programmatically extract the content --
> which is something we're working on -- then that API could be used to build
> this prototype without having to reverse engineer. Another thing to
> consider, more in the wave protocol effort, would be a client/server
> protocol -- but things are early there at the moment.
>
>
I'm looking forward to a day when we have such APIs exposed :)


> - pamela
>
> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Joe Developer 
> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 7:42 AM, pamela (Google Employee) <
>> pamela...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Oliver-
>>> I responded to you offline, but will also respond here to keep the thread
>>> in the forum.
>>>
>>> I assumed that was how you were doing this, but wanted to give you a
>>> chance to explain. It is generally considered illegal to "scrape" the HTML
>>> of webpages that do not grant explicit permission for that. That is why
>>> webpages provide APIs- so that developers can legally use content.
>>>
>>> Really? Generally considered illegal? I would appreciate a link that
>> documents such a finding. I would imagine that google search results would
>> be fairly sparsely populated if they could only include those pages that
>> include explicit permission for google to scrape.
>>
>> I would advise on waiting until we offer some sort of Google data API to
>>> distribute a program like this.
>>>
>>> - pamela
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 8:27 AM, Oliver Baker  wrote:
>>>

 How dare you Andrey!

 I do not store any of your information what so ever excluding the last
 Wave server you selected.

 Any Login information you enter is immediatly put into the Google Wave
 Login page to log the application into the Google Wave login page.

 To enter your login details on Version 2 (Sorry I made this a little
 stupidly) you will need to left click on the Notify Icon or right
 click the icon, go into the Waves item, then click the login to see
 your waves button.

 Also, make sure you have Google Chrome Frame installed on your
 computer for this to work. I am still working out the bugs.

 On Oct 14, 10:07 am, Andrey Fedorov  wrote:
 > Uhoh, I hope you guys are at least running antivirus as you run exe's
 you
 > downloaded online?
 > - Andrey
 >
 >
 >
 > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 2:15 PM, Scott Breakall 
 wrote:
 >
 > > I've downloaded the exe, but am I missing something? There's nowhere
 > > for me to enter my wave credentials?
 >
 > > ~Scott~



>>>
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[Google Wave APIs] Re: Google Wave Inbox Notification tool for the Windows Desktop

[Joe Developer]

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 10:11 AM, pamela (Google Employee) <
pamela...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Sure, good point, let me clarify, though please keep in mind that I'm not a
> lawyer...
>
> According to the Google Wave terms of use, it is not permitted to "modify,
> adapt, translate, or reverse engineer any portion of the Service unless
> expressly authorized". In Oliver's prototype, he essentially reverse
> engineered the client display mechanism to extract the content. You can read
> more of the policies at:
> http://wave.google.com/help/wave/program_policies.html
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> Thank you for spelling that out Pamela :)

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[Google Wave APIs] Re: Google Wave Inbox Notification tool for the Windows Desktop

[pamela (Google Employee)]

Sure, good point, let me clarify, though please keep in mind that I'm not a
lawyer...

According to the Google Wave terms of use, it is not permitted to "modify,
adapt, translate, or reverse engineer any portion of the Service unless
expressly authorized". In Oliver's prototype, he essentially reverse
engineered the client display mechanism to extract the content. You can read
more of the policies at:
http://wave.google.com/help/wave/program_policies.html

Once we have an API to let you programmatically extract the content -- which
is something we're working on -- then that API could be used to build this
prototype without having to reverse engineer. Another thing to consider,
more in the wave protocol effort, would be a client/server protocol -- but
things are early there at the moment.

- pamela

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Joe Developer wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 7:42 AM, pamela (Google Employee) <
> pamela...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hey Oliver-
>> I responded to you offline, but will also respond here to keep the thread
>> in the forum.
>>
>> I assumed that was how you were doing this, but wanted to give you a
>> chance to explain. It is generally considered illegal to "scrape" the HTML
>> of webpages that do not grant explicit permission for that. That is why
>> webpages provide APIs- so that developers can legally use content.
>>
>> Really? Generally considered illegal? I would appreciate a link that
> documents such a finding. I would imagine that google search results would
> be fairly sparsely populated if they could only include those pages that
> include explicit permission for google to scrape.
>
> I would advise on waiting until we offer some sort of Google data API to
>> distribute a program like this.
>>
>> - pamela
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 8:27 AM, Oliver Baker  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> How dare you Andrey!
>>>
>>> I do not store any of your information what so ever excluding the last
>>> Wave server you selected.
>>>
>>> Any Login information you enter is immediatly put into the Google Wave
>>> Login page to log the application into the Google Wave login page.
>>>
>>> To enter your login details on Version 2 (Sorry I made this a little
>>> stupidly) you will need to left click on the Notify Icon or right
>>> click the icon, go into the Waves item, then click the login to see
>>> your waves button.
>>>
>>> Also, make sure you have Google Chrome Frame installed on your
>>> computer for this to work. I am still working out the bugs.
>>>
>>> On Oct 14, 10:07 am, Andrey Fedorov  wrote:
>>> > Uhoh, I hope you guys are at least running antivirus as you run exe's
>>> you
>>> > downloaded online?
>>> > - Andrey
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 2:15 PM, Scott Breakall 
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > I've downloaded the exe, but am I missing something? There's nowhere
>>> > > for me to enter my wave credentials?
>>> >
>>> > > ~Scott~
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> >
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[Google Wave APIs] Re: Google Wave Inbox Notification tool for the Windows Desktop

[Joe Developer]

>
>
> However scrapping is really ugly, error prone, and needs frequent updating.
> I
> would consider these issues more important then the legal issue. Especially
> as it seems likely that Google will develop a proper API in the future.
>

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[Google Wave APIs] Re: Google Wave Inbox Notification tool for the Windows Desktop

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On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 09:48:02AM +0700, Joe Developer wrote:
> Really? Generally considered illegal? I would appreciate a link that
> documents such a finding. I would imagine that google search results would
> be fairly sparsely populated if they could only include those pages that
> include explicit permission for google to scrape.

My understanding is that it is a grey area of law, and you are likely to get
different answers depending on country, what you are scrapping, what you are
using it for, who holds the copyright on the data you are scrapping, who you
ask, etc.

However scrapping is really ugly, error prone, and needs frequent updating. I
would consider these issues more important then the legal issue. Especially
as it seems likely that Google will develop a proper API in the future.
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[Google Wave APIs] Re: Google Wave Inbox Notification tool for the Windows Desktop

[Joe Developer]

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 7:42 AM, pamela (Google Employee) <
pamela...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey Oliver-
> I responded to you offline, but will also respond here to keep the thread
> in the forum.
>
> I assumed that was how you were doing this, but wanted to give you a chance
> to explain. It is generally considered illegal to "scrape" the HTML of
> webpages that do not grant explicit permission for that. That is why
> webpages provide APIs- so that developers can legally use content.
>
> Really? Generally considered illegal? I would appreciate a link that
documents such a finding. I would imagine that google search results would
be fairly sparsely populated if they could only include those pages that
include explicit permission for google to scrape.

I would advise on waiting until we offer some sort of Google data API to
> distribute a program like this.
>
> - pamela
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 8:27 AM, Oliver Baker  wrote:
>
>>
>> How dare you Andrey!
>>
>> I do not store any of your information what so ever excluding the last
>> Wave server you selected.
>>
>> Any Login information you enter is immediatly put into the Google Wave
>> Login page to log the application into the Google Wave login page.
>>
>> To enter your login details on Version 2 (Sorry I made this a little
>> stupidly) you will need to left click on the Notify Icon or right
>> click the icon, go into the Waves item, then click the login to see
>> your waves button.
>>
>> Also, make sure you have Google Chrome Frame installed on your
>> computer for this to work. I am still working out the bugs.
>>
>> On Oct 14, 10:07 am, Andrey Fedorov  wrote:
>> > Uhoh, I hope you guys are at least running antivirus as you run exe's
>> you
>> > downloaded online?
>> > - Andrey
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 2:15 PM, Scott Breakall 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > > I've downloaded the exe, but am I missing something? There's nowhere
>> > > for me to enter my wave credentials?
>> >
>> > > ~Scott~
>>
>>
>>
>
> >
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[Google Wave APIs] Re: Google Wave Inbox Notification tool for the Windows Desktop

[Oliver Baker]

Hi All,

At Pamela's request I have removed this Application from its Google
Code Project until the release of the required API pack.

Regards,
Oliver Baker

On Oct 14, 1:42 pm, "pamela (Google Employee)" 
wrote:
> Hey Oliver-
> I responded to you offline, but will also respond here to keep the thread in
> the forum.
>
> I assumed that was how you were doing this, but wanted to give you a chance
> to explain. It is generally considered illegal to "scrape" the HTML of
> webpages that do not grant explicit permission for that. That is why
> webpages provide APIs- so that developers can legally use content.
>
> I would advise on waiting until we offer some sort of Google data API to
> distribute a program like this.
>
> - pamela
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 8:27 AM, Oliver Baker  wrote:
>
> > How dare you Andrey!
>
> > I do not store any of your information what so ever excluding the last
> > Wave server you selected.
>
> > Any Login information you enter is immediatly put into the Google Wave
> > Login page to log the application into the Google Wave login page.
>
> > To enter your login details on Version 2 (Sorry I made this a little
> > stupidly) you will need to left click on the Notify Icon or right
> > click the icon, go into the Waves item, then click the login to see
> > your waves button.
>
> > Also, make sure you have Google Chrome Frame installed on your
> > computer for this to work. I am still working out the bugs.
>
> > On Oct 14, 10:07 am, Andrey Fedorov  wrote:
> > > Uhoh, I hope you guys are at least running antivirus as you run exe's you
> > > downloaded online?
> > > - Andrey
>
> > > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 2:15 PM, Scott Breakall 
> > wrote:
>
> > > > I've downloaded the exe, but am I missing something? There's nowhere
> > > > for me to enter my wave credentials?
>
> > > > ~Scott~

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[Google Wave APIs] Re: Google Wave Inbox Notification tool for the Windows Desktop

[pamela (Google Employee)]

Hey Oliver-
I responded to you offline, but will also respond here to keep the thread in
the forum.

I assumed that was how you were doing this, but wanted to give you a chance
to explain. It is generally considered illegal to "scrape" the HTML of
webpages that do not grant explicit permission for that. That is why
webpages provide APIs- so that developers can legally use content.

I would advise on waiting until we offer some sort of Google data API to
distribute a program like this.

- pamela


On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 8:27 AM, Oliver Baker  wrote:

>
> How dare you Andrey!
>
> I do not store any of your information what so ever excluding the last
> Wave server you selected.
>
> Any Login information you enter is immediatly put into the Google Wave
> Login page to log the application into the Google Wave login page.
>
> To enter your login details on Version 2 (Sorry I made this a little
> stupidly) you will need to left click on the Notify Icon or right
> click the icon, go into the Waves item, then click the login to see
> your waves button.
>
> Also, make sure you have Google Chrome Frame installed on your
> computer for this to work. I am still working out the bugs.
>
> On Oct 14, 10:07 am, Andrey Fedorov  wrote:
> > Uhoh, I hope you guys are at least running antivirus as you run exe's you
> > downloaded online?
> > - Andrey
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 2:15 PM, Scott Breakall 
> wrote:
> >
> > > I've downloaded the exe, but am I missing something? There's nowhere
> > > for me to enter my wave credentials?
> >
> > > ~Scott~
>
> >
>

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[Google Wave APIs] Re: Google Wave Inbox Notification tool for the Windows Desktop

[Oliver Baker]

How dare you Andrey!

I do not store any of your information what so ever excluding the last
Wave server you selected.

Any Login information you enter is immediatly put into the Google Wave
Login page to log the application into the Google Wave login page.

To enter your login details on Version 2 (Sorry I made this a little
stupidly) you will need to left click on the Notify Icon or right
click the icon, go into the Waves item, then click the login to see
your waves button.

Also, make sure you have Google Chrome Frame installed on your
computer for this to work. I am still working out the bugs.

On Oct 14, 10:07 am, Andrey Fedorov  wrote:
> Uhoh, I hope you guys are at least running antivirus as you run exe's you
> downloaded online?
> - Andrey
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 2:15 PM, Scott Breakall  wrote:
>
> > I've downloaded the exe, but am I missing something? There's nowhere
> > for me to enter my wave credentials?
>
> > ~Scott~

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[Google Wave APIs] Re: Google Wave Inbox Notification tool for the Windows Desktop

[Oliver Baker]

Hi Pamela,

Like I said, the first release (Version 1.0) was coded pretty slack,
which is why it isn't in the repository yet. I am currently cleaning
it up and soon (next 1-2 days) it will be put into the repository.

And I am surprised that you don't know how I did this, its a
relatively simple Idea in principal, however I found was much harder
to do in code.

My application is relatively basic. On any web browser open up Google
Wave and then view its source, Google Wave builds the User Interface
after it loads the main page, which is why you can't see the User
Interface Code (Unless you are using Google Chrome and use the
Inspector on the User Interface). However, when Google Wave Finishes
loading the page before creating the GUI the source of the page
contains an Array of your Waves (Not in 100% entirety, like not all
the Blips will have all of their text written in the source of the
page) but there is an extremely sufficient amount there to Gather your
Waves, their ID's, Title, Creator etc...
After Gathering that information (Which I have not entirely perfected
yet) I display the Waves for the user in the Programs Notify Icon Menu
along with each ones Total Messages and Unread Messages.

This is pretty slack and was just a simple innovative way of doing
what nobody else (and to my surprise eluded the Google Staff) could
do.

I am going to continually release newer, more effective versions of
this application. And if the Google Wave team does release an API for
what I have done then I will update my application to use that API.

-

I realized this solution at the beginning of August when I gained
access to the Developers Sandbox. My original plan was to create a
Google Chrome extension which used this method to display Unread
messages. (I have made an extension like this for Hotmail). I had
started but unfortunately I had not completely mastered reading the
HTML Source and then when my laptop got stolen that project got
scrapped.

I have to say, being 17 and to out smart people much smarter than me
and people who work for Google and deal with making Google Wave I am
pretty surprised.

If I lived close the the Wave Hackathon instead of living in New
Zealand I probably would have made this there and then.

--

I hope this enlightens you. And is explained well.

The Source for the project should be put up on Google Code within 24
hrs of this message.

Regards,
Oliver Baker

On Oct 14, 9:49 am, "pamela (Google Employee)" 
wrote:
> Hi Oliver -
> There is no source code in the repository. Where is the source code
> available at?
> We do not offer an API that gives access to inbox information, so I'm
> curious as to how you managed to do this. Can you explain further?
>
> - pamela
>
> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 2:30 AM, Sam Osborne 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Sure I'll grab it.. Gimme about half an hour and I'll come in and start
> > testing it.
>
> > 2009/10/13 Chris Bailey 
>
> >> I'd be willing to help test. Also my wave ID is Xcom923
>
> >> On Oct 13, 12:30 am, Oliver Baker  wrote:
> >> > Hi all,
>
> >> > It was my intention from the beginning to make a Tool for your Desktop
> >> > which would tell you when you have new Waves. And I was surprised that
> >> > nobody had made one before me, so, I have made it!
>
> >> > This is currently only for Windows. It has a few bugs but nothing that
> >> > should make it crash, and, unlike Google I only employ myself, and
> >> > thats for free.
>
> >> > This will be in Beta until the Official release of Google Wave as
> >> > anything could happen in the preview.
>
> >> > This has been coded pretty slack (release as of this message) since
> >> > the Wave team will probably end up creating much better method of
> >> > access for external applications than the method I am using, and so it
> >> > will be re-coded for those methods. (I am still improving this one)
>
> >> > The link to the Project home:http://code.google.com/p/gwave-tools/
>
> >> > It would be much appreciated if bugs could be reported on the Project
> >> > site, I will read them, and take note of them.
>
> >> > Enjoy,
> >> > Oliver

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[Google Wave APIs] Re: Google Wave Inbox Notification tool for the Windows Desktop

[James Purser]

Even without the code it is possible to do basic checks. I ran the
strings took across the exe this morning and couldn't see anything out
of the ordinary. However while it is a .net app it doesn't work under
mono.

On 14/10/2009, Brian May  wrote:
>
> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 05:07:18PM -0400, Andrey Fedorov wrote:
>> Uhoh, I hope you guys are at least running antivirus as you run exe's you
>> downloaded online?
>
> Even a good antivirus program won't help if the downloaded exe grabs your
> Google Wave username and password and automatically sends it to the author.
>
> Not that I am suggesting that is what this program does, but since we don't
> have the source code available (yet), who knows?
>
> Even if this project is legitimate, other similar projects may not be.
>
> (similar concerns also apply when typing in username & password information
> in
> waves that have untrusted robots)
> --
> Brian May 
>
> >
>

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[Google Wave APIs] Re: Google Wave Inbox Notification tool for the Windows Desktop

[Brian May]

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 05:07:18PM -0400, Andrey Fedorov wrote:
> Uhoh, I hope you guys are at least running antivirus as you run exe's you
> downloaded online?

Even a good antivirus program won't help if the downloaded exe grabs your
Google Wave username and password and automatically sends it to the author.

Not that I am suggesting that is what this program does, but since we don't
have the source code available (yet), who knows?

Even if this project is legitimate, other similar projects may not be.

(similar concerns also apply when typing in username & password information in
waves that have untrusted robots)
-- 
Brian May 

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[Google Wave APIs] Re: Google Wave Inbox Notification tool for the Windows Desktop

[Andrey Fedorov]

Uhoh, I hope you guys are at least running antivirus as you run exe's you
downloaded online?
- Andrey

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 2:15 PM, Scott Breakall  wrote:

>
> I've downloaded the exe, but am I missing something? There's nowhere
> for me to enter my wave credentials?
>
> ~Scott~
>
> >
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[Google Wave APIs] Re: Google Wave Inbox Notification tool for the Windows Desktop

[Scott Breakall]

I've downloaded the exe, but am I missing something? There's nowhere
for me to enter my wave credentials?

~Scott~

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[Google Wave APIs] Re: Google Wave Inbox Notification tool for the Windows Desktop

[pamela (Google Employee)]

Hi Oliver -
There is no source code in the repository. Where is the source code
available at?
We do not offer an API that gives access to inbox information, so I'm
curious as to how you managed to do this. Can you explain further?

- pamela

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 2:30 AM, Sam Osborne wrote:

> Sure I'll grab it.. Gimme about half an hour and I'll come in and start
> testing it.
>
> 2009/10/13 Chris Bailey 
>
>
>> I'd be willing to help test. Also my wave ID is Xcom923
>>
>> On Oct 13, 12:30 am, Oliver Baker  wrote:
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > It was my intention from the beginning to make a Tool for your Desktop
>> > which would tell you when you have new Waves. And I was surprised that
>> > nobody had made one before me, so, I have made it!
>> >
>> > This is currently only for Windows. It has a few bugs but nothing that
>> > should make it crash, and, unlike Google I only employ myself, and
>> > thats for free.
>> >
>> > This will be in Beta until the Official release of Google Wave as
>> > anything could happen in the preview.
>> >
>> > This has been coded pretty slack (release as of this message) since
>> > the Wave team will probably end up creating much better method of
>> > access for external applications than the method I am using, and so it
>> > will be re-coded for those methods. (I am still improving this one)
>> >
>> > The link to the Project home:http://code.google.com/p/gwave-tools/
>> >
>> > It would be much appreciated if bugs could be reported on the Project
>> > site, I will read them, and take note of them.
>> >
>> > Enjoy,
>> > Oliver
>>
>>
>>
>
> >
>

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[Google Wave APIs] Re: Google Wave Inbox Notification tool for the Windows Desktop

[Sam Osborne]

Sure I'll grab it.. Gimme about half an hour and I'll come in and start
testing it.

2009/10/13 Chris Bailey 

>
> I'd be willing to help test. Also my wave ID is Xcom923
>
> On Oct 13, 12:30 am, Oliver Baker  wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > It was my intention from the beginning to make a Tool for your Desktop
> > which would tell you when you have new Waves. And I was surprised that
> > nobody had made one before me, so, I have made it!
> >
> > This is currently only for Windows. It has a few bugs but nothing that
> > should make it crash, and, unlike Google I only employ myself, and
> > thats for free.
> >
> > This will be in Beta until the Official release of Google Wave as
> > anything could happen in the preview.
> >
> > This has been coded pretty slack (release as of this message) since
> > the Wave team will probably end up creating much better method of
> > access for external applications than the method I am using, and so it
> > will be re-coded for those methods. (I am still improving this one)
> >
> > The link to the Project home:http://code.google.com/p/gwave-tools/
> >
> > It would be much appreciated if bugs could be reported on the Project
> > site, I will read them, and take note of them.
> >
> > Enjoy,
> > Oliver
>
> >
>

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[Google Wave APIs] Re: Google Wave Inbox Notification tool for the Windows Desktop

[Chris Bailey]

I'd be willing to help test. Also my wave ID is Xcom923

On Oct 13, 12:30 am, Oliver Baker  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> It was my intention from the beginning to make a Tool for your Desktop
> which would tell you when you have new Waves. And I was surprised that
> nobody had made one before me, so, I have made it!
>
> This is currently only for Windows. It has a few bugs but nothing that
> should make it crash, and, unlike Google I only employ myself, and
> thats for free.
>
> This will be in Beta until the Official release of Google Wave as
> anything could happen in the preview.
>
> This has been coded pretty slack (release as of this message) since
> the Wave team will probably end up creating much better method of
> access for external applications than the method I am using, and so it
> will be re-coded for those methods. (I am still improving this one)
>
> The link to the Project home:http://code.google.com/p/gwave-tools/
>
> It would be much appreciated if bugs could be reported on the Project
> site, I will read them, and take note of them.
>
> Enjoy,
> Oliver

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