Re: [h-cost] What is a Whip? My Take on it..
My take on reading the script mentioned seems like it is refering to an outing perhaps like a caravan to a destination,organised by a Host. That Host would be the Whip, keeping all the guests from getting lost or seperated ,and on the right bus or touring car and any independent cars from getting lost. It is taken from Fox Hunting, The Whip originates from Fox hunting terms. The Whip(s) are members of the hunting staff who are responsible for keeping hounds in order and focused together. If hounds attemptto split off from pack or pack becomes disorganised, Whip(per-ins) redirect hounds back under the direction of the hunt leader. Whips keep partys focused and on task. As 1914 probably didn't have alot os road signs ,good roads or good drivers...someone leading the pack may have been a real necessity. My 2 cents for what its worth. Melody From: penn...@costumegallery.com penn...@costumegallery.com To: h-costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 9:41 PM Subject: [h-cost] What is a Whip? I am working with a 1914 etiquette book and a person titled Whip is used in the section about Dress When Driving. What / Who is a Whip in this context? Men who are guests on a coach wear morning or afternoon dress according to the hour of the day on which the vehicle makes its start. The whip, if the host of the occasion, is usually arrayed in distinctive costume. A gray suit is the usual selection for spring and summer, brown is a frequent choice for the autumn.. In the country, and in summer, a gentleman whip wears a light colored and light-weight suit, with brown shoes and gloves and a straw or panama hat. For touring, or driving an automobile.No ceremonious costume for men has yet been evolved to approximate, in style and completeness, the formal dress an amateur whip wears. Penny Ladnier, owner The Costume Gallery Websites http://www.costumegallery.com/ http://www.costumegallery.com/ 15 websites of fashion, costume, and textile history FaceBook: http://www.facebook.com/TheCostumeGallery http://www.facebook.com/TheCostumeGallery ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Civil War Frock Coat Pattern? my fav...
Since no one has answered this, I will get the ball rolling (so everyone who didn't answer can tell me what crap these patterns are,cause they are Big 3 patterns ) but I have used this one with success, McCalls M6143. It is a multi size pattern for kids and adults,has 4 American Heros in it Uncle Sam,Statue of Liberty, Tom Jefferson and Abe Lincoln The Abe Lincoln pattern is a simple to put together Frock type coat ,that turns out quite well. I used this to make my then Teenage son a Black Frock coat as featured on the main characters in the 1990's movie Tombstone. I used a havy canvas /slubby linen for a more Cowboy ,less Townie look. He still has it ,and he's 35. You can use better material,line it and add fancy buttons, It is simple and not compliccated to use. McCalls's also offeres a mens Civil war Officers Jacket M4745. Has 2 vaariations. Now, let the opionions begin... melody From: aqua...@patriot.net aqua...@patriot.net To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 11:57 AM Subject: [h-cost] Civil War Frock Coat Pattern? Hello, A friend just asked me, can anyone recommend a pattern for an American Civil War era frock coat? Thank you! -Carol ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Re: [h-cost] [spam posted Sorry just found out I got jacked
Just found out I got jack evenwith Nortons' all 3 of my addresses. Soorry will try to figure oout how to get rid of it From: Marjorie Wilser the3t...@gmail.com To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 3:57 PM Subject: [h-cost] the spam message just posted I clicked on it because it seemed like a valid list post. However, it opens a web page in your browser. When you try to close the page, it creates a popup message asking you why you want to close it, with only ONE choice-- an OK to continue loading it. To get rid of it, I had to quit Firefox. Now, when Firefox reboots, that (*(* page is still there, demanding that I OK it. Which, naturally, I will not do. I am not blaming the sender, who seems to be a Listmember, but the insidious cookie she must have on her machine, which is determined to captivate all our clicks. However, I am very, very bummed. I hope none of you are taken in by it. Bleh. ==Marjorie Wilser @..@ @..@ @..@ Three Toad Press http://3toad.blogspot.com/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] OT: corset and breast augmentation surgery
What time period? The only thing I can't do comfortably is lay on my chest. The upward compression of a corset doesn't hurt.Mine are located under the pecs . But have had both.Is the surgery going thru the nipple area or the armpit? If she is going way bigger then her natural size she will be tender for 3-4 months in the breast area and maybe longer at the incision scar. I'd wait about 6 months to fit her. M --- On Fri, 5/20/11, Kay Shelton dela...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Kay Shelton dela...@yahoo.com Subject: [h-cost] OT: corset and breast augmentation surgery To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Date: Friday, May 20, 2011, 5:57 AM I'm hoping someone here will know. A friend to whom I've promised a corset is having breast augmentation surgery: a boob job. How will this affect her wearing a corset? Is it a matter of days, weeks, years? Can I fit her if she doesn't wear it long? She's planning on asking the doctor, but I fear the doctor may not have experience with costuming. Thank you for any advice you can give. Kay ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1620s jacket/waistcoat.Website help,
Hi Kimiko, You could bop over toKass McGann's website Reconstructing History.. Kass makes,researches and sell Historic patters,(much like Margo) she and her husband also portray people of this time period at one of the local historical villages near her. She answers email questions on all periods she does. Hope that helps Melody (waving to you from Margo's Patterns Group) --- On Thu, 1/6/11, Kimiko Small sstormwa...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Kimiko Small sstormwa...@yahoo.com Subject: [h-cost] 1620s jacket vs waistcoat To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 1:09 PM Hi all, I've been reading through the old Plymouth Plantation embroidery blog for their reproduction embroidered jacket, and they were talking about waistcoats and jackets, but in a way that made them seem interchangeable. I've tried googling their blog directly to see if they explain anywhere what the differences or similarities are, but all I found was one article that mention jackets, while the links themselves mention 3 waistcoats and 1 jacket. http://thistle-threads.com.mytempweb.com/blog/index.php/2009/01/new-jackets-to-view/ There was an earlier article where they said that the women would wear their smocks, petticoats and stays while indoors, but would not leave their homes without wearing a waistcoat or a jacket. I had thought waistcoats were like vests, but this is a time period that is new to me so I am not sure what they meant by waistcoat. Would anyone here be able to explain what the differences are, if any? Thank you, Kimiko Kimiko Small http://www.kimiko1.com Be the change you want to see in the world. ~ Ghandi The Tudor Lady's Wardrobe pattern http://www.margospatterns.com/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Masonic aprons .. a bit of info..
The aprons have different symbols on it to designate the position of the member in the Temple (meeting room) The top Guy is called the Worshipful Master, then there is the Templar., the Tiler, etc,etc.. The Aprons are easy to read like rank insignia in the Armed forcesso the are different. They also have a Dress Apron for formal occasion,more lux fabric. This site : http://www.masonicformasons.com/Apron.html Shows you the symbols close up and the title with it. Mozarts would reflect his position in the Lodge. and his degree (numerical designation ,as tohow far you tested and passed the rites) Did you see if there is any art workof him wearing his Apron? Hope this helps. Melody --- On Tue, 7/20/10, Kathryn Pinner pinn...@mccc.edu wrote: From: Kathryn Pinner pinn...@mccc.edu Subject: [h-cost] Masonic aprons To: h-cost...@net.indra.com Date: Tuesday, July 20, 2010, 12:01 PM The frst time I sent this, I'm not sure it went thru, so I'm trying again. Kate Pinner In the 18th cent., would all the aprons in a Masonic Lodge be the same? Or would the individuals have different ones? I ask because I'm doing Amadeus next year and the play calls for three of them. There is a portrait of George Washington in an apron and it is different from what is supposed to be his Masononic apron, so he had at least two different ones. Should make all the aprons the same of should they be different? I don't want to cause great offence to any Masons in the audience, but I kind of like the idea of them being different. Any symbols I really shoudn't use? Does anyone know what Mozart's apron really looked like? Kate Pinner Technical Coordinator Kelsey Theatre Mercer County College 609-570-3584 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] where has all the velvet gone? (rant) Where I got mine..
I gave up too and shop online, for the cotton velvet. I got some super soft rose color cotton velvet at Fabric.com and also some nice black cotton velvet on sale for $5.75 a yd. Might see what they have up. melody --- On Mon, 1/18/10, Dawn d...@reddawn.net wrote: From: Dawn d...@reddawn.net Subject: [h-cost] where has all the velvet gone? (rant) To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 4:39 PM I had a most disappointing shopping trip today. I was searching for a nice blue-green cotton velvet and was surprised at the lack of options. I went to Hancock's first, they had NO fashion velvet of any kind. They had 3 rolls of upholstery velvet, nice stuff, in black, brown and red. Hobby Lobby had no upholstery velvet, and cheap acrylic fashion velvet in black, navy and red. I found some medium turquoise on the clearance rack and bought that. It might work, and it was cheap enough. Joann's had the requisite cheap acrylic velvet in red and black, and no upholstery velvet. Lots of chenille, no velvet. So what is it with velvet these days? The acrylic stuff just gets crappier and crappier and I can't find simple cotton anywhere. Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] lining for panne velvet// Quesstion on ironing it...
Dawn, Did ironing on the interfacing flatten the pile to any degree ? I have seen Panne velvet really cheap but was put off by the stretch factor, I wondered if fusable interfacing would cure this., but worried about the pressing making more problems then it cured. melody --- On Fri, 12/4/09, Dawn d...@reddawn.net wrote: From: Dawn d...@reddawn.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] lining for panne velvet To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Date: Friday, December 4, 2009, 9:42 PM Cascio Michael wrote: Will lining the bodice stabilize the stretch? Would I cut the lining on the bias or the straight. I'm considering tacking snowflake buttons at intervals to decorate the bodice and keep the layers together. Any thoughts or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. I have used iron-on interfacing to stabilize panne, with pretty good results. I ironed big sheets of it right onto the back of the fabric before cutting out my bodice pieces. Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Victorian-era civilian events in the Washington, DC area?
I live in Los Angeles area,in Calif. We have a group that does Victorian dances here They have 4 annual events consisting of Grand Victorian Balls and have a series of smaller events also.Have him google Historic dance groupsor Victorian Dance groups We also have an annual event ,1 county over, commorating the birth of Charles Dickens. Its a 3 day event, a Pub Night, and 2 day street fest,all done with a Victorian theme. Visitors are encouraged to dress in Victorian garb, as are all the participants.. This same county has a Xmas event that is a progressive dinner served at restored Victorian homes,as a fund raiser for the Historic Preservation Society He may want to google Victorian Events in his area,and see what he comes up with. He can also contact any historical Societys in town,they may have leads for him. Melody --- On Wed, 9/30/09, Mara Riley corbieg...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Mara Riley corbieg...@yahoo.com Subject: [h-cost] Victorian-era civilian events in the Washington, DC area? To: H-Costume h-costume@mail.indra.com Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 5:05 AM A friend at work who is interested in Victorian literature asks whether there are Victorian-era civilian events that he could go observe in the Washington, DC area (he's not a reenactor). Any suggestions? It's out of the timeframe I usually do. Thanks, Mara - http://www.marariley.net - 18th century research and knitting patterns Ravelry: corbiegirl Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd. - Voltaire ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 30s flight attendant uniforms ....a site for you
Here's Pan Am's photo history bit on uniforms: http://www.panamair.org/History/uniforms.htm looks like someof the BW are early. Will post more as I find them. melody --- On Wed, 9/2/09, Cin cinbar...@gmail.com wrote: From: Cin cinbar...@gmail.com Subject: [h-cost] 30s flight attendant uniforms To: h-cost h-cost...@indra.com Date: Wednesday, September 2, 2009, 1:06 PM My cousin is president of the China National Aviation Corporation (CNAC ) she has what I think is a fun idea for the reunion this year. She thinks we should dress as stewardesses for the reunion. http://www.cnac.org/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_National_Aviation_Corporation She I typically tend bar as the pilots, navigators, ground team (now in their 80s 90s) swap lies do a little hangar flying. Does anyone know of sources for pictures, patches, pins, patterns accessories for the ladies' uniforms? At this point we'd start with most any 30s stews' uniforms improve them later. This is a fun, historical organization consisting of people who worked the Hump route in the late 30s early 40s, their family members aviation history buffs. CNAC was a supported China by flying supplies into Yunnan before the US actively joined the allies WWII. Thanks all, --cin Cynthia Barnes cinbar...@gmail.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 30s flight attendant uniforms found a bunch of photos
Ok here's a bonanza of info, scroll all the way down to the bottom. they go alphabetically the United States is on the bottom, has some from 1930s'. Interesting, one shows gals in uniforms that look like Nurses uni's ,as being an RN was a requirement early on to be a stew. Sounds like a kind of party... melody --- On Wed, 9/2/09, Cin cinbar...@gmail.com wrote: From: Cin cinbar...@gmail.com Subject: [h-cost] 30s flight attendant uniforms To: h-cost h-cost...@indra.com Date: Wednesday, September 2, 2009, 1:06 PM My cousin is president of the China National Aviation Corporation (CNAC ) she has what I think is a fun idea for the reunion this year. She thinks we should dress as stewardesses for the reunion. http://www.cnac.org/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_National_Aviation_Corporation She I typically tend bar as the pilots, navigators, ground team (now in their 80s 90s) swap lies do a little hangar flying. Does anyone know of sources for pictures, patches, pins, patterns accessories for the ladies' uniforms? At this point we'd start with most any 30s stews' uniforms improve them later. This is a fun, historical organization consisting of people who worked the Hump route in the late 30s early 40s, their family members aviation history buffs. CNAC was a supported China by flying supplies into Yunnan before the US actively joined the allies WWII. Thanks all, --cin Cynthia Barnes cinbar...@gmail.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] HELP! Hann,is this your system method?
Hi Hanna, Is the method of drafting your describing called the lutterloh-system?. I've seen this demo ed and it looks really easy. Here's a web address to get you to their instructional video, it explains how to use the system. http://www.lutterloh-system.com/shop/pi1150199578.htm?categoryId=7 I'd like to try this someday. Melody --- On Tue, 8/25/09, Hanna Zickermann h.zickerm...@gmx.de wrote: From: Hanna Zickermann h.zickerm...@gmx.de Subject: Re: [h-cost] HELP! To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Date: Tuesday, August 25, 2009, 2:16 PM Hi, there´s a method called radial projection or something like that. Get a rather large copy of the pattern you want to make and have the scale on the copy. Glue the copy on a large sheet of paper. Choose one point in a corner of the pattern piece and draw long lines from there through the important points. One after another, multiply these distances with the factor you need to get the full-size scale and mark this new distance on the line. Connect all important points and you will get a full scale pattern. I find it hard to explain without a drawing how to do it, and my English is quite tired right now, but I hope you understand what I mean. It´s really easy and a lot faster than using a grid - which is a method where usually can´t count the boxes and end up with a really strange pattern piece... Hanna At 10:42 25.08.2009, you wrote: Hello all, I am in need of some help from an experienced pattern enlarging bustle dress maker! I woud like to throw together my first bustle dress, or make for myself a bustle since my budget is not allowing any new acquirements. At one point before I got very enthusiastic about doing this, as I have many times, but got so overwhelmed before even starting due to facing the dred task of grading that it never came into fruition. I would try ordering a pattern from one of the many good sellers of period patterns, but I want something very specific, I don't have time to wait for one to arrive, and I can't afford to spend on one (especially since I spent so much for the three books new which have hundreds of patterns). The pieces given scare me in each scaled down pattern, because I know quite often, to acheive from the basic pieces the glorious ensemble presented in the illustrations, there is usually a good deal of improvising and use of skill the handy seamstress must utilize to do so! Here are my main questions. 1: How do I enlarge the tiny pieces in the book the simplest, quickest, or least math saavy way? 2: Once I have the pieces enlarged and they are adjusted to my size and I'm ready to cut, how do I assemble a bustle skirt?? These are NOT simple one or two sentence answers I know, but any guidance would be greatly appreciated right about now. I've used period patterns that I bought multi-sized and kinda had to play with those until they fit me the right away and could figure out basic construction but this seems so daunting having never done it before. Thank you so very much for the kind person who can help, and to all others for your patience:) Regards, Justine. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Proper Skirt Length ??? ....some info on skirts lengths
Her's a description of fashions from the 50's, re: ladies skirts from a person who lived thru it the WWII years. Clothing coupons had been abolished in 1948 so that by 1952 clothes were at last liberated. Hemlines which had plunged rapidly with the new look, finally settled at mid calf length, eleven and a quarter inches off the ground. Dolman sleeves, swing back coats and stand away collars were popular. Skirts could be pencil slim or a mass of sun ray pleats. Lots of these looks were achieved by using 1950's fashion sewing patterns. --- On Fri, 8/21/09, Jodi Nelson faerieglenstud...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Jodi Nelson faerieglenstud...@yahoo.com Subject: [h-cost] Proper Skirt Length ??? To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Date: Friday, August 21, 2009, 7:54 PM I just saw _Julie Julia_ ans thought I saw something wrong. Could the ladies and gents on thelist correct me if I am wrong. The woman who is given the origional manuscritp for Julia Childs book is wearing a plaid skirt. It appears to be either a full or 3/4 circle skirt that has some of the fulness pleated in the back and then hemmed to the bottom on the knee. I thought they were fuller all around and midcalf length. This is circa 1958-1961. Thanks for your help in advance. Jodi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1913? Yes....Plus Italian tranlation from Pinky the Brain
Hi Chiara, I agree, look very early teens,the high waist and the lacey over dress,very My Fair Lady or The Music Man type of design melody. Oh and your tag line:. Ehi Prof.! Che cosa facciamo stasera?» « Quello che facciamo tutte le sere, Mignolo: tentare di conquistare il mondo! » I had it a week ago,that's sorta the tag line from Pinky and the Brain Cartoon. English translation: Pinky : So what are we going to do today,Brain?(Professor) Brain: Same thing we always do Pinky, plan to take over the world It was one of my kids fav cartoon. My mom was Italian and my daughter leaves for Florence in 16 days,Sept 1, 2009 for a years study. That was fun,though it didn't translate exactly as said into English... --- On Sat, 8/15/09, Chiara Francesca chiara.france...@gmail.com wrote: From: Chiara Francesca chiara.france...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1913? To: 'Historical Costume' h-cost...@indra.com Date: Saturday, August 15, 2009, 10:19 PM Thank look kinda similar to the dresses worn in the Movie Titanic. Browse through those photo albums and see if anything matches up. ♫ Chiara Francesca « Ehi Prof.! Che cosa facciamo stasera?» « Quello che facciamo tutte le sere, Mignolo: tentare di conquistare il mondo! » (hint: italian) -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Maggie Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 9:15 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] 1913? I would look so good in this dress. http://rdwf.org.uk/doctors/images/29/hum12.jpg It's an episode of Doctor Who (series 3) set in 1913. Is there a pattern for something similar that anyone can recommend? I'm sorry, it's the best still picture of it I can find. MaggiRos Maggie Secara ~A Compendium of Common Knowledge 1558-1603 Available at your favorite online bookseller See our gallery at http://www.zazzle.com/popinjaypress ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1913? some bases to use,maybe..
MaggiRos, Hi, here are a few numbersof patterns you could use as a base.Simplicity 4055, Butterick 6630 and 4890. The net and lace over gown/top looks like a triangle shawl shape with the front ends cut off level with the high waist, from what I see. I did not watch the show so I don't know what the total gown looks like. The Gown on the left looks a bit like it. I just googled Images, fashions 1913 and got a bunch of hits Love this era. melody --- On Sat, 8/15/09, Maggie maggi...@gmail.com wrote: From: Maggie maggi...@gmail.com Subject: [h-cost] 1913? To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Date: Saturday, August 15, 2009, 9:14 PM I would look so good in this dress. http://rdwf.org.uk/doctors/images/29/hum12.jpg It's an episode of Doctor Who (series 3) set in 1913. Is there a pattern for something similar that anyone can recommend? I'm sorry, it's the best still picture of it I can find. MaggiRos Maggie Secara ~A Compendium of Common Knowledge 1558-1603 Available at your favorite online bookseller See our gallery at http://www.zazzle.com/popinjaypress ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] What period is this Butterick from?...... 1940....totally agree
Agree with that call. My mom's weddding dress was a Rettingcoat / Rettingote (sp) style dress with the under dress styled exactly like theirs.It's heavy satin and lace insertion. The overcoat is cathedreal length and the sleeves cut a little smaller with lace inserts. She was married in 1940. I have the dress I didn't wear it,but I did prevent it from becoming my sisters kid's dress up toy. melody --- On Tue, 8/4/09, Käthe Barrows kay...@gmail.com wrote: From: Käthe Barrows kay...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] What period is this Butterick from? To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Date: Tuesday, August 4, 2009, 8:17 PM If you had to assign a time period what date would you give for this: http://www.butterick.com/item/B5405.htm?tab=costumespage=1 1940s? -- Carolyn Kayta Barrows -- “The future is already here, it is just unevenly distributed.” -William Gibson -- ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] What period is this Butterick from?
so what do we do now ,Brain'? Same thing we do everyday day Pinkie, plot to take over the world Si? melody --- On Tue, 8/4/09, Chiara Francesca chiara.france...@gmail.com wrote: From: Chiara Francesca chiara.france...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] What period is this Butterick from? To: 'Historical Costume' h-cost...@indra.com Date: Tuesday, August 4, 2009, 10:06 PM I agree, 30's, raglan sleeve era and those nip tucks under the boobage. But really now, velvet? Sigh. This would hang so much better with bias cut bridal silk. Think: end of WWII, Big Bands, Hollywood glamour. ♫ Chiara Francesca « Ehi Prof.! Che cosa facciamo stasera?» « Quello che facciamo tutte le sere, Mignolo: tentare di conquistare il mondo! » (hint: italian) -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of otsisto Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 9:19 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What period is this Butterick from? You are looking at probably mid to late 1930s. Possibly a transition dress. May or may not have shoulder pads. Kind of the style http://www.antiquedress.com/item4548.htm http://www.antiquedress.com/item4295.htm http://tinyurl.com/moabph This gives styles of the early `30s to give an idea of what I mean by it possibly being transitional. http://www.agelesspatterns.com/1930s.htm Think Faye Wray movies. :) Then again, the style somewhat repeated in the `80s so maybe it is 1980. :) De -Original Message- Hi, This is slightly off-topic but I'm curious and I figured this list would probably be best to answer. The latest fall Buttericks are out and there is one Making History pattern. Usually I can guess where they have drawn their inspiration from and what period that they are imitating but this is one is puzzling me. If you had to assign a time period what date would you give for this: http://www.butterick.com/item/B5405.htm?tab=costumespage=1 Sharon Nevin ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Temporary facial hair ...few ideas...fish-y smelling glue
Back in the day when I wore fake eyelashes ,i remember them using surgical glue, smelled a little fishy was white and opaque. Spirit gum is usually amber colored,like tree sap. Yah the neckline tape sounds the same as the toupee tape. melody --- On Wed, 7/1/09, Hanna Zickermann h.zickerm...@gmx.de wrote: From: Hanna Zickermann h.zickerm...@gmx.de Subject: Re: [h-cost] Temporary facial hair ...few ideas... To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Date: Wednesday, July 1, 2009, 11:33 PM Is spirit gum the same stuff that comes with fake eyelashes? The double-sided, translucent tape is available in the notion section of German department stores. They sell it to those who want to keep a deep neckline in place. It might work for mustaches as well. Hanna At 09:39 01.07.2009, you wrote: Spirit gum glues are usually resin based, think tree sap.. and need special spirit gum remover or you will be very sorry if you try to just rip the hair off. hair pieces are available at The Halloween Club stores all year round, if you have one in your area. Most online wig companies also carry facial hair attachments,chest pelts, too the least real looking ones are online Halloween stores. They also make a thin, double- ided, toupee tape, that may be usable too melody --- On Tue, 6/30/09, Cin cinbar...@gmail.com wrote: From: Cin cinbar...@gmail.com Subject: [h-cost] Temporary facial hair To: h-cost h-cost...@indra.com Date: Tuesday, June 30, 2009, 4:48 PM Dear h-costume, Once again I need your gracious help. I've been invited to a bachelor party -- no girls allowed. I have to have a mustache or a beard. Where does one acquire such a thing? (Human Biology has failed me in this.) I know where to get the classic Groucho glasses may settle with that or an eyeliner mustache. (There's no requirement that it be a credible effort.) Also, are spirit gum glues latex-free? Thanks so much! --cin Cynthia Barnes cinbar...@gmail.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Temporary facial hair ...few ideas...
Spirit gum glues are usually resin based, think tree sap.. and need special spirit gum remover or you will be very sorry if you try to just rip the hair off. hair pieces are available at The Halloween Club stores all year round, if you have one in your area. Most online wig companies also carry facial hair attachments,chest pelts, too the least real looking ones are online Halloween stores. They also make a thin, double- ided, toupee tape, that may be usable too melody --- On Tue, 6/30/09, Cin cinbar...@gmail.com wrote: From: Cin cinbar...@gmail.com Subject: [h-cost] Temporary facial hair To: h-cost h-cost...@indra.com Date: Tuesday, June 30, 2009, 4:48 PM Dear h-costume, Once again I need your gracious help. I've been invited to a bachelor party -- no girls allowed. I have to have a mustache or a beard. Where does one acquire such a thing? (Human Biology has failed me in this.) I know where to get the classic Groucho glasses may settle with that or an eyeliner mustache. (There's no requirement that it be a credible effort.) Also, are spirit gum glues latex-free? Thanks so much! --cin Cynthia Barnes cinbar...@gmail.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Peacock Wedding Dress ....yes there are white peacocks
In Mansfield ,Oh. they have a large Mansion, that has become a public museum. Around the massive acerage they have a flock of pure ,white peacocks. They are very beautiful and their feathers are impressive. So,yes Virginia ,there is a white peacock melody --- On Mon, 4/13/09, Carol Kocian aqua...@patriot.net wrote: From: Carol Kocian aqua...@patriot.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] Peacock Wedding Dress To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Date: Monday, April 13, 2009, 7:12 PM I had some white peacock feathers at one time. I suspect they were bleached. The gold section was still metallic looking and another part was pinkish, with the rest being a cream color. They would have made quite an impressive dress, too. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1169646/Strut-aisle-1-5m-wedding-dress-2009-peacock-feathers.html ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] stitching on ruffs [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] Need author of book PLease....
HI Suzi, May I butt in ? I havae been going crazy seeking info on the Austro-Hungarian Empire dress for people of middle and noble class, for the early and later Elizabethan era. If you do find that reference book ,could you PLEASE post the title author for me? I'd really like to portray a part of my heritage at our Faires by dressing as a noble Hungarian lady. I just do a generic lower noble English lady and I'd like a change. Melody --- On Tue, 4/14/09, Suzi Clarke s...@suziclarke.co.uk wrote: From: Suzi Clarke s...@suziclarke.co.uk Subject: Re: [h-cost] stitching on ruffs [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Date: Tuesday, April 14, 2009, 12:24 AM At 00:29 14/04/2009, you wrote: Until recently I had thought that the figure-of-eight ruffs were never stitched to hold the shape, but last week I found a portrait in a current Sotherby's catalogue for a sale of Old Master and early British paintings. This is the link to the catalogue: http://www.sothebys.com/app/paddleReg/paddlereg.do?dispatch=eventDetails event_id=29138 and the particular painting is: http://www.sothebys.com/app/live/lot/LotDetail.jsp?lot_id=159527660 The ruff is formed with a lattice effect, intersecting 4 times, and there is a pearl at every intersection, with a group of 3 pearls at the top and bottom edge. I think the pearls are stitched on, rather than representing pin-heads, especially given the groups of pearls at top and bottom. It would be a nightmare to reset after washing. I have never seen anything similar - has anyone else? Suzi, is this similar to the one you referred to. Needless to say I have downloaded it for future reference. Annette Wilson At the moment that particular book is AWOL in the mess that is my workroom, but the idea was similar as far as I can remember. The book is about costume in, I think, the Austro-Hungarian Empire, which was heavily influenced by Spanish fashions. I'll have another look later - I'm away today. Suzi - Message: 2 Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 20:39:41 +0200 From: Hanna Zickermann h.zickerm...@gmx.de Subject: [h-cost] Stitching on ruffs To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Message-ID: 200904091839.n39iduov018...@net.indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Hello, has anyone ever seen a ruff that really had the stitching along the outer edge to keep the 8s in shape? Period Costume for Stage and Screen even suggests embellishing the ruff with beads on top of these stitches, but I feel they are just a theatrical neccessity as the ruffs are not properly starched and must keep their shapes in nylon material. Or is there evidence that these stitches would have been used as a decorative feature as well and that they are documentable? Thank you, Hanna -- Message: 3 Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 19:55:26 +0100 From: Suzi Clarke s...@suziclarke.co.uk Subject: Re: [h-cost] Stitching on ruffs To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Message-ID: 7.0.1.0.2.20090409195249.03cb2...@suziclarke.co.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed At 19:39 09/04/2009, you wrote: Hello, has anyone ever seen a ruff that really had the stitching along the outer edge to keep the 8s in shape? Period Costume for Stage and Screen even suggests embellishing the ruff with beads on top of these stitches, but I feel they are just a theatrical neccessity as the ruffs are not properly starched and must keep their shapes in nylon material. Or is there evidence that these stitches would have been used as a decorative feature as well and that they are documentable? I have seen pictures of ruffs where the 8s are apparently held together, probably with wax (see Janet Arnold). I am sure I also have a photo of a ruff held with red beads - I'll have to go and look for that though - my library is not next to the computer! Suzi -- If you have received this transmission in error please notify us immediately by return e-mail and delete all copies. If this e-mail or any attachments have been sent to you in error, that error does not constitute waiver of any confidentiality, privilege or copyright in respect of information in the e-mail or attachments. Please consider the environment before printing this email. -- ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 18th century Tricorn hats ....round heads ...not! ..maybe...
Weren't the majority of the hats for the era, merely carried under the arm or in the hand,as a sort of fashion accessory? So if not actually worn,it wouldn't matter on the shape of the headpiece. Perhaps they had Dresshats,with the rounded crown and everyday/working mans hats,shaped for a head, that were worn, the Accessory hats,not actually being worn and subject to sweat,weather and wear and tear will have survived.The actual everyday worn on your head hat will have worn out and been discarded eventually. just a muse. melody --- On Tue, 4/7/09, Ron Carnegie r.carne...@verizon.net wrote: From: Ron Carnegie r.carne...@verizon.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th century Tricorn hats round heads ...not! To: 'Historical Costume' h-cost...@indra.com Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 5:32 AM Of course the originals have seen are round and not oval. The leaves (flaps) are held up in period by a stitched tacks, hook and eyes, or tapes, usually two for each leave. The arrangement of the leaves depends upon style. They are properly referred to as cocked hats, tricorn being a modern term for them. I'm your huckleberry Ron Carnegie r.carne...@verizon.net -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Melody Watts Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 10:53 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th century Tricorn hats round heads ...not! You know what the worse part of using a ball or bowl,is the shap is indeed round. Most peoples heads are actually oval, so if you set it to dry on a ball the fit is off and really hard to keep on your head. I had this happen with a very nice 1900 era straw boater, I set it to dry on a gallon paint can and when it was dry it looked like a cheap party hat,a round hat trying to sit on my oval head. If I had to do it over again, I would don a plastic shower cap and wear the darn hat til it dried.Those wig head stands usually have a very small circumference,too melody --- On Mon, 4/6/09, stils...@netspace.net.au stils...@netspace.net.au wrote: From: stils...@netspace.net.au stils...@netspace.net.au Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th century Tricorn hats To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 5:38 PM The tricorn origin was just pinning up wide-brim hats until the floppy bits were out of the way. The most common of what we call a tricorn had a dome crown (cylindrical is not unheard of but the dome is the most common). So: Grab a hat that matches your size requirements. If you have a larger one, pin it up and cut the brim; Wet the thing with felt stiffener (there are several brands, all stink to high heaven so do it outdoors or in a ventilated area), set the shape that you want and leave it to dry; As a tip, if you do not have a reliably heavy hatblock or mannequin head to leave it dry upon, use a ball of the right size; Add decoration and edging when dry, -C. This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 18th century Tricorn hats ....round heads ...not!
You know what the worse part of using a ball or bowl,is the shap is indeed round. Most peoples heads are actually oval, so if you set it to dry on a ball the fit is off and really hard to keep on your head. I had this happen with a very nice 1900 era straw boater, I set it to dry on a gallon paint can and when it was dry it looked like a cheap party hat,a round hat trying to sit on my oval head. If I had to do it over again, I would don a plastic shower cap and wear the darn hat til it dried.Those wig head stands usually have a very small circumference,too melody --- On Mon, 4/6/09, stils...@netspace.net.au stils...@netspace.net.au wrote: From: stils...@netspace.net.au stils...@netspace.net.au Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th century Tricorn hats To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 5:38 PM The tricorn origin was just pinning up wide-brim hats until the floppy bits were out of the way. The most common of what we call a tricorn had a dome crown (cylindrical is not unheard of but the dome is the most common). So: Grab a hat that matches your size requirements. If you have a larger one, pin it up and cut the brim; Wet the thing with felt stiffener (there are several brands, all stink to high heaven so do it outdoors or in a ventilated area), set the shape that you want and leave it to dry; As a tip, if you do not have a reliably heavy hatblock or mannequin head to leave it dry upon, use a ball of the right size; Add decoration and edging when dry, -C. This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Rabbit - was: What kind of fur would you use for this?** NOT BUN!
wear a rabbit coat and it will look like a snow storm when you take it off.God help you if you shake it. In fact Miss Manners in the 1950/60 had a reminder bulliten out at prom time telling young ladies NOT to wear bunny fur wraps to prom or Cotillion,as they would shed all over the dark ROTC boys dress uniforms and make a terrible mess. Right now I'm all for very nice,expensive faux furjust NO DRYERS please.(Had a very soft,shineymink spread ,which after a trip thru the hot dryer,now resembles Buffalo hide.) Melody --- On Mon, 3/2/09, Saragrace Knauf wickedf...@msn.com wrote: From: Saragrace Knauf wickedf...@msn.com Subject: [h-cost] Rabbit - was: What kind of fur would you use for this? To: h-cost...@indra.com Date: Monday, March 2, 2009, 4:20 PM Someone told me that rabbit (and cat) are one of the few furs that sheds and is a terrible mess? Anyone have that experience? Sg From: be...@softwareinnovation.com To: h-cost...@indra.com Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 18:17:56 -0600 Subject: Re: [h-cost] What kind of fur would you use for this? I had a look with the zoom feature- you can almost see the links in the necklace and the stitches in that 4-layer head veil, but the fur is curiously fuzzy- I would think a pale type of beaver? Or if you could lay your hands on actual german angora bunny pelts, that might be a close approximation without the expense of winter weasel fur(with or without tails) Just my .02 Lira, Betsy ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Feather wings...frame work and feathers
HI, Here is a page on white, feather, articulated wings http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-make-a-pair-of-Angel-Wings/ And an articulated frame you could cover withleather or feathers. http://www.instructables.com/id/Articulated-Wing-Framework/ Hope this is what you wanted, melody --- On Sat, 2/28/09, Kate Pinner pinn...@mccc.edu wrote: From: Kate Pinner pinn...@mccc.edu Subject: [h-cost] Feather wings To: 'Historical Costume' h-cost...@indra.com Date: Saturday, February 28, 2009, 9:10 AM Years ago (5-10?) someone on this list built a gorgeous pair of wings (even articulated, if I remember correctly) and posted a link -- which I no longer can find. Does this ring a bell with anyone? Failing that, does anyone have any suggestions for how to make some? Kate ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] source for heavyweight 100% linen *Look here for some you may like
HI just got this message: linen on sale handkercheif linen. http://www.fabrics-store.com/first.php?goto=showarticlesmenu=farticle=3sa=1printed= all the weights and colors you can imagine melody --- On Fri, 2/27/09, snsp...@aol.com snsp...@aol.com wrote: From: snsp...@aol.com snsp...@aol.com Subject: [h-cost] sources for heavy-weight 100% linen To: h-cost...@indra.com Date: Friday, February 27, 2009, 2:36 PM Any recommendations for sources for heavy-weight 100% linen fabric? JoAnn's has some really nice ones (good colors, even!) for $10.49 a yard, and I'm wondering if I could get it cheaper elsewhere. Thanks. Nancy **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1218822736x1201267884/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Yellowed silk..... you could try this......
Have you tried old fashioned Blueing? Its supposed to cancel out the yellow in clothes(like fro persperation stains and I remember my mom using it on slips that yellowed from chlorine bleach. The termBlue Hair denoting an aged lady was coined from the use of this same laundry blueing as a hair rinse to negate the yellow tinge grey,silver or white hair gets from age and enviorment. I would not,unfortunately, expect those tippets to last very long, theytend to shatter under stress after a bleaching. melody --- On Sun, 1/4/09, Hanna Zickermann h.zickerm...@gmx.de wrote: From: Hanna Zickermann h.zickerm...@gmx.de Subject: [h-cost] Yellowed silk To: h-cost...@indra.com Date: Sunday, January 4, 2009, 7:13 AM Hello, I have a pair of pongé silk tippets, which turned from white to yellow (like unbleached muslin) after I put them in chlorine bleach. Yes, I know, I shouldn´t have done that, but it was my last try to remove a nasty linnseed-oil-spot... Anyway, does anybody know any trick how to get them white again? I wear them with a blue dress, so they still look like white, but it would be so nice to have them really white again. Any ideas? Hanna ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Titania 1935 costume construction?
Looks like long Rayon fringe. --- On Mon, 11/17/08, Cynthia Virtue [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Cynthia Virtue [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [h-cost] Titania 1935 costume construction? To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, November 17, 2008, 5:49 PM Hi Folks, Friends and I recently watched the 1935 Midsummer Night's Dream, and have been puzzling over the construction of Titania's costume. Does anyone have ideas? Photos: http://bp1.blogger.com/_zyFOBNA4Tys/RpF329zH5rI/ARg/hbYpRYFNvdo/s1600-h/Anita+Louise+Fair+Titania.jpg http://images.ulib.csuohio.edu/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/shakespeareCISOPTR=65CISOBOX=1REC=1 The shiny drape-y parts seem too light to be bugle beads strung to hang down and drape, yet not light enough to be cellophane strips. I've been wondering if they might be strips of cut metal foil, like my parents' old real-metal Christmas Tree icicles: heavy, shiny, soft. Google searches have not turned up any details, alas. -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent Such virtue hath my pen -Shakespeare, Sonnet 81 I knew this wasn't _my_ pen! --Cynthia Virtue ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing?
I can tell you what _Should_ be on my mini me, the same darn Refaire dress that I've worn for the last 10 years,being torn apart and set to right. Must confess to the skirt being on an elastic band waist.I was too pressed for time when I bought it off ebay, to convert it to a proper waist band. The bodice is a generic cut, soft point at bottom ,semi rounded neckline. Laces up both sides. Sleeves were set in,but I'm getting a bit claustriphobic in my old age and couldn't pull the bodice over my head and not freak out. so i removed the sleeves ,sewed up the arm seams and made them tie ons. It really a lovely red and gold brocade and so non descript it can go Elizabethan or Italian depending on the accessories. If I don't actually cut anything I can convert back and forth with a seam here or there. So, I guess it just a waistband for now.or maybe a slight Italian flavorAHHH! I'm wishy- washy-er then Charlie Brown melody Suzi Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 19:09 29/09/2008, you wrote: It's that time of year: holiday parties, winter balls, theater season, company dinners, Diskens Fair, New Years Eve, cocktail parties,12th Night. You might even be planning a sojourn to a balmy tropical locale. Whatever the reason, h-costumers are probably making something. So, what's your dressmaker's dummy wearing today? --cin Cynthia Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] PS. It's ok to run into the sewing room, toss something marvelous on the dummy and *then* tell us about it. It's also ok to tell what's on your design sketchbook, worktable, at the sewing machine or in the embroidery hoop. On my worktable - fabric and pattern for three sets of 1776 stays (Diderot), and three sets of pocket hoops to go with. In a bag 2 linen and one cotton shift (Costume Closeup pattern). Hanging on a hook a bag full of sample fabrics that I have to bully persuade the ladies to like. Hanging on a rail, the first dress I ever made as a freelance (1983 thanks for asking) which I am fiddling with to make into a 1780's dress. And waiting to be torn into three petticoats, a bolt of calico - muslin to you. I should be working, shouldn't I, not sitting at the computer? Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Help with OT Costume try this idea..go a little .......Mongol........
This may work looks simple, it's in the Discontinued Patterns Section :under costumes , http://www.simplicity.com/index.cfm?page=athumbnail_OOP.cfmStartRow=1category=4 goes up to size 52... or if you haave a good eyes you can just steal teh line art and figure it out yourself...it looks pretty much rectanlges and triangles hope that helps. melody Stephen Bergdahl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Help! I have been invited to a Halloween party, and I am trying to figure out what to wear. I have 10 yards of BRIGHT green/yellow silk brocade with a small Chinese letter on it, that I have been wanting to use for year, but it is not period, unless you consisted the 1980's a period. I love this stuff it flows, and where I am going is going to be very low light, so the bright will work in my favor. The other trouble is I am a tall ex-jock in shape. Wide shoulders and a waist to match, most of it up front. So I don't have any ideas, it does not have to be historical, but I don't mind if it is. Help My brain hurts from trying to come up with ideas. Stephen ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Wal-Mart fabrics ........1 reason why their going out..(imho)
Could it be the fact that they carry crap fabric in all the Walmarts perhaps be the reason, _why_ they are not profitable? Also that the people employed in the dept.are not fabric savvy? My local Walmart (la habra,Calif) has a woman who works there ,Rosetta,who literally layed across the cutting table because she was tired of cutting my order.I was making it very easy by purchasing the entire bolt,of most of the fabrics, and ordering 10 yrd increments of the ones I didn't purchase in toto. With employees like this who state Aren't you done yet? when you're trying to buy cloth, can run it into the ground. Plus buying only 1970 reject neon print polyester knits, doesn't make for a core of saleable merchandise. that is not even fit for the $1 table. Too bad,better fabric, more savvy people could give JoAnns a run for their money, as my JoAnn's has turned into a craft store with fabric as a side line. Melody otsisto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The fabric department issue has been around long before Martha. Wal-Mart goes by the bottom line, their reasoning is that for the amount of time that it takes for a sales person to cut and measure the fabric, in the electronics department would have sold three items. Besides, Martha doesn't seem to be the kind of person to make such a request. Wally just picked their least profitable department (in their eyes) De -Original Message- Anyone see the ad on tv that Martha Stewart is now selling her wares in Walmart? Wonder if that was part of her deal, to get rid of the fabric department to make room for her merchandise. Just speculating, don't shoot me! :) Cactus Mercy sakes, I hope not - already have to fight with Himself to go to Kmart for something, just because he despises Martha so much. If we can't go to Walmart either, that means a 300+mile round trip to a mall Liadain ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] A question of height....
Hi All, I don't know if this question has been asked in the past and answered, but I'd like to know, if not. Is there any definitive answer on how tall Elizabeth (the first) was? Are there any tailor's notes on her physical dimensions ? I know her cousin was quite tall of a woman in her age, how did Lizzy measure up? Thanks , Melody - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] fabric storage ...those darn Zipper -vaccuum bags.....
I have used the 1 st generation vaccuum bags with mixed success, I packed away a large bag with sweaters in them ,all nice and flat, under my bed. About sweater time rolling around ,I tried to remove said bag. Unhappily, the seal failed along the way and my sweaters expanded .I had to have 2 people jack up the foot of the bed so I could extradite them. All the while I thought they were safe and sealed up they were open and gathering dust,smells and moisture. The bags I bought were from the original designer, not a Pic n save knock off, they had the zip lock bag trac along the top and I figured failed at the very edges of the trac. Maybe a strip of duct tape might have aleveated the problem,but they never mention that in the info-mercials. The very small sized bags seem to do better in not cutting loose the seal.,maybe size is a factor.Or if you don't smoosh the all the way down to the krinkley stage, the may work ok My experience on the matter, Melody Susan Data-Samtak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My 2 cebts worth: I have used the Space Bags. They are great to keep stuff dry and clean. Also reduces bulk, somewhat, because they suck the excess air out. Susan On Feb 22, 2008, at 7:43 PM, Natalie wrote: I'm sorry, I can't help give an opinion about those vacuum pack bags as I haven't used them. I do know that they have those types of bags for garments, and I'm sure they could be adapted to fabric. I've seen them advertised on TV with the people packing away sweaters, I hope that helps! Natalie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I'm moving and having to put a bunch of my fabric into a storage locker (climate controlled). I might take a bug or two with me. Has anyone used the vacuum pack thingies that are for food to pack fabric for storage? I Tia, Susan (moving to Seattle from the eastside) - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Cape May/Morris Co ........... Barding or heraldric items..., spelling is the key
The spelling may be throwing people off. According to Mirriam Websters its; Caparison no M . Main Entry: 1ca·par·i·son Pronunciation: \k#601;-#712;per-#601;-s#601;n, -#712;pa-r#601;-\ Function: noun Etymology: Middle French caparaçon, from Old Spanish caparazón Date: 1579 1 a: an ornamental covering for a horse b: decorative trappings and harness 2: rich clothing : adornment Melody otsisto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Though I have heard it refered to as barding, I have been informed by many a horse person that it is comparisons. Supposedly, barding is in reference to horse armour and camparison is the fabric heraldic garments. But online I find horse people calling it barding. http://ilaria.veltri.tripod.com/ http://www.bayrose.org/Poppy_Run/horse_barding_web.pdf -Original Message- On Saturday 16 February 2008, Rickard, Patty wrote: Do they make costumes for horses? Medieval reeenactors make costumes for horses - it gets called barding (if it isn't armour). Some vendors who market to medieval reenactors make them too. Consider this item from Historic Enterprises: http://www.historicenterprises.com/cart.php?m=product_detailp=598c=131 -- Cathy Raymond You affect the world by what you browse.-- Tim Berners-Lee ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: OT: quick fabric washing question , ...........my 2 pence
I wonder if the dye has anything to do with shrinkability, I bought, from the same mfg, 2 hawaiian print shirts - same size,cut and pattern.One was a red background, one was blue-washed both in cold water, the red one stayed the same size, the blue one shrunk a full size. In my realm, if fabric does not survive washing, I don't use it for good garb. I just work around what left of the yardage and get on with it. I figure ,people in the old days didn't have dry cleaning, (which I personally detest,sitting and perspiring in a soup of toxic chemicals next to your skin- the largest organ in your body, is not my idea of healthy) silk and wool were not dry cleaned in the past, it was washed ,if only daubbed with water. for what its worth. Melody Pierre Sandy Pettinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd dry clean it also. However, do you have a cleaners that uses the CO-2 cleaning method? Sandy At 08:34 PM 2/8/2008, you wrote: I just bought a nice dress that is 75% rayon, 25% polyester. -Liz ___ - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 60s source material available ***** Still Got The Beatles?????*******
Hi Maggie, I you still have the Beatles stuff left, I'll gladly take it. please tell me the how and how much. Melody MaggiRos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sure you don't want the Beatles stuff? :-) Maggie - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Bamboo fabric .... Bamboo fiber socks... i have trees on my feet
If you have a Target store near you, go to the ladies sock dept. Target carries a line of Eco-friendly items,among these items are socks made from bamboo fiber. They are incrediably soft and comfortable, i use them with my Ren faire outfit and have been pleased with the fabric and fit. It is softer then cotton, almost silky in feel. melody Catherine Olanich Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 15 January 2008, Andrew T Trembley wrote: On Jan 15, 2008, at 3:32 PM, Lavolta Press wrote: Fabric.com has some bamboo fabric among their new arrivals for fashion fabric. Dpes anyone know what the hand/drape of bamboo fabric is like? Bamboo cloth is technically a rayon. I'd generalize and say it's a bit softer than cotton in the same weave or knit. It really varies, though. That's interesting. I went to fabric.com and looked at the enlarged image of the stuff and thought, looks like rayon. :-) -- Cathy Raymond It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.-- Mark Twain ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Speaking of Uniquely You.... what I frequently use......
I have replaced the bases of my forms with clearence iron patio umbrella stands, they usually have an adjustment screw built in and nothing can tip them over. You may have to cut a short closet rod dowel about 1 1/2 /2 wide drill out a hole to fit the original metal rod of the form,and slide in. I can't see my UU at the moment, my sewing room has become the xmas gift hiding place and my brain is too fried to remember what the stand looks liker ight now. )thoses iron pato sands are really usuful, when my lazy husband did not replace the pole mounted mail box into the front lawn position, and the mailperson got tired of putting the mail in a laying on the ground mailbox, i whipped out the old patio umbrella stand and mounted the mail box in it.) Melody Galadriel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone found a way to rig or replace the stands so they're not so wimpy and wobbly? --Rachel Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] difference between douppioni and shantung. .......memories of stinky silk
ahh stinky silksbrings back lovely memories of wearing a beautiful silk fiber sweater to jr high, having it rain, then suffering the rest of the day with gaggles of 14 yr olds commenting on the terrible fishy smell in the room. melody Kimiko Small [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think our dupioni has more sizing or something, cause when I buy it is hangs pretty stiffly similar to taffeta (but definitely not the same), but when washed and pressed it goes limp like nothing. And taffeta has a nasty chemical smell when washed, and the wrinkles in taffeta never goes away (yeah, I washed it once) even with lots of high steam, but becomes fairly crisp upon drying. I prefer shantung over dupioni, but dupioni is so much easier to find in lots of colors, including metallics. Shantung does seem to be a nicer, finer silk to work with. I also like taffeta, but not so happy with how to work with it. I like working with washed silks that don't stink. Kimiko --- Suzi Clarke wrote: This may well be so in the U.S. but, like Bjarne, I have always understood shantung to be the finer fabric. In England, most dupion is not stiff like taffeta, but more inclined to be floppy. Shantung is a fabric used for shirts, blouses etc., like a finer dupion. They do both ravel like mad though. Like I say, that is what I understand to be the U.K. comparisons. Suzi Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: Wedding traditions (was Tango in a Hoop ) blue garter seller
Hi, I remember seeing a totally blue garter at the chain store Party City ,they have a bridal section with decorations,favors,memory books bride's and groom's garters, also had the sixpence for your shoe. Melody Barbara -_- M aren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi De, 2007/12/8, otsisto : Actually, the blue comes from the saying wear something old, something new, something borrowed, something blue. Which was originally: Something old, something new, something borrowed, something blue and a silver sixpence in her shoe. English bridal tradition from the Victorian era. ... Whose telling you have to have a blue garter? A friend of us who will be MC at the reception. He has apparently been to 6 (German) weddings already this year. The color blue is alleged to be a symbol of love, modesty and fidelity. I read about the tradition to wear etwas Altes, etwas Neues, etwas Geliehenes, etwas Blaues in a German booklet with marriage tips. But it was quoted to me again by a friend of us who will be MC at our reception and has apparently been at 6 (German) weddings this year already. It just occurred to me the other day that it actually rhymes in English something old, something new, something borrowed, something blue. The booklet said the color blue was to symbolise the hope for a son. I think that prior to the Edwardian era, that blue was a popular color for wedding dresses but I can't remember where I read that. Hm, at the costume museum in Bath, I remember seeing pre-1900 bridal dresses which weren't white, and many could probably just count as Sunday best , but couldn't spot a trend to a particular color like blue. In fact, I think even then light, pastel or cream colors dominated. Carol, I will try a bridal shop for a blue garter. I will ask them if they haven't heard of the tradition :-) B M ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Source needed
Hi rebecca, I bough this dagger at the Ren Store. It is very nice for the money, I got the bone handle one, also comes in ebony colored handle made of antler. Service is fast, their web page (that follows) also has 2 other daggers that may be ok for your needs. http://www.renstore.com/items.asp?Cc=ES%2DKNIVESiTpStatus=0Tp=Bc= hope that helps, happy holidays, Melody REBECCA BURCH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anybody have a good source for an inexpensive eating dagger? We want to get something garb related for Ansel's stocking and a dagger would be about the right size. Thanks for any input. Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA The only twelve steps I'm interested in are the ones between the flat folds and the brocades. --Anonymous Costumer-- ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] wedding in historical costumes .... A video of hooped women waltzing here.....
here's a website that hold Victorian Ball about 4 x's a yr. http://www.lahacal.org/film/waltz.html there is a video on the addy of the Merry Widow Waltz showing women waltzing with hoops of all sizes, this is my favorite web video to watch, it's like being transported in time... Melody Ann Catelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Not one of those huge hoop skirts. Impossible to dance a waltz in that. Well, they waltzed quite a lot in hoops in the period. In the 1860s, when hoops were worn, waltzes and polkas and schottisches were all danced, vigorously. I, myself, while wearing my hoopskirts, have lead other women in a full-turning waltz more than once. :) So even a modern person, who does not wear hoops very often, can waltz with little to no trouble in hoops. Hoops are a bit like lampshades, though--if you move one side down, the other is very likely to fly up. Ann in CT Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume - Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Fringe source? Ltl OT
It doesn't loook like fringe per say to me, it looks more like a weft of wig hair, like if you took apart a halloween wig, i.e: an old lady or white witch wig. I'd say try that. Melody Saragrace Knauf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I am making the monkey costume for a nephew from this pattern. http://img.sewingtoday.com/cat/4/itm_img/M8938.jpg I have no idea where to get the fringe for the face. Have any of you seen anything like it? Worse comes to worse, I'll get horsehair and make my own, but. Thanks, Sg ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume - Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Slashed skirts (was 1620 dress images?) a new question about th is...
After looking at the drawings, I began to wonder, were the sleeves possibly made seperate from the bodice and perhaps pinned onto the chemise,level with the bodice top , to look like they were connected? I'd like to try an Italian but so many things about them I find confusing, melody Bella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's the earliest example I've seen of a slashed skirt, since the subject's come up! :-) Venice, Giacomo Franco, 1609: Dress of Dogaressa and Ladies [from Habiti d'huomeni et donne venetiane]. Beinecke Rare Book and Manuscript Library, Yale University. http://realmofvenus.renaissanceitaly.net/wardrobe/FrancoF1.jpg Bella The Realm of Venus http://realmofvenus.net Yahoo!7 Mail has just got even bigger and better with unlimited storage on all webmail accounts. http://au.docs.yahoo.com/mail/unlimitedstorage.html ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume - Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Turkish knots aka frogs? An interesting page for you....
Here's an interesting websit on Chinese knot tying, this is for a clothing frog. http://co.middlesex.nj.us/culturalheritage/chineseknotting/button.html very pretty and decorative. Also try searching for knot tying in your search feature or the macrame pages for something more in line with the knot you want. Best, Melody (snip) Kimiko Small [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I will be working on a new Elizabethan loose gown (16th c.), and I wanted to close them with Turkish knots. But I am having problems finding info on them, or how to make period Turkish knots/frogs, and my googling has only gotten a couple of leads. Any hints, links, mailing lists, or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Kimiko Small - Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Anyone remember this dress? Maybe it was a Star Trek Original???
This kinda sounds like the costumes that were so prevalent on the original STAR TREK series femme fatales there were lots of breast cup/halter top things on the show to look futuristic ...maybe the magazine was a TV guide of the show. Melody (an original trekkie) --- Robin Netherton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Snippped Once -- probably in the late 70s but maybe the early 80s -- I saw a picture of a really over-the-top outrageous gown. For lack of a better term, I'd have to call it a variation on a halter design. The midriff and torso were mostly bare except for a extension of fabric coming up from the skirt, over one breast, around the back of the neck, and down to reach the other breast, which it cupped in a pocket at the end of the extension. I don't remember anything about the skirt, so perhaps it was pants (and thus a jumpsuit, not a dress). Color *might* have been white or gold. Not really urgent, just it's been bothering me. --Robin __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Casanova on PBS........ I was wonder too about the clothes......
Interesting observation about the similarities of this show and A Knight's Tale... Funny fact is the girl playing the romantic lead Henriette was the female Blacksmith _IN_ A Knight's Tale... MaggiRos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Before it was over, I decided that it is meant to be looked at in the same frame of mind as, say A Knight's Tale. The script was fantastic--both in the sence of wonderful/funny and off-beat. The color pallette, like the dance music and the hair, just a little peculiar. This was clearly Venice in a not-entirely-parallel dimension. But I loved it anyway. MaggiRos ~who has not been out of love with Peter O'Toole, ever. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yikes, I caught bits and pieces of Casanova while I was taping. It's atrocious! Casanova was wearing a red shirt that buttoned down the front (not in 1740!), as well as a black neckcloth. I've seen black stocks, but not black jabots. Ladies had aqua lace engagentes (sleeve lace). I've seen many an 18th century gown and I've never seen colored lace on sleeves like that. And don't get me started on the women's hair! Awful. Kathleen Norvell -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 4:01 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Casanova on PBS I was wonder too about the clothes.. I was wondering about the ladies clothes, it was supposed to be 1740 ,Venice Italy and all the gowns look like French court dresses.is any of the dress or hairstyles correct?...anyone? Lauren Walker wrote: I'm just watching the Casanova with Peter O'Toole on Masterpiece Theatre, and I must ask -- any chance that the women's hairstyle of curls or curled-up tiny braids interspersed with many little ribbons is an authentic 18th C one? (Henriette wears it, at least throughout Part I, which is all I've seen so far.) It's so much more fun than the French court towers of powdered hair... Lauren Lauren M. Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume - How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messengers low PC-to-Phone call rates. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Bad historical costume movies -----the Duke with a eye job
oh yeah, they did some weird make-up on John Waynes eyes (It looks like they stuck a rubberband across his eyelids) to make him look Mongolianwhat a film! too funny now--very serious then... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/24/2006 8:56:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Conqueror, with John Wayne? ( Said conqueror is Genghis Khan, right? Ann Wass ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume - Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Bad historical costume movies
hmmm. what about The Vikings with Kirk Douglas,Tony (yonda lies da castle of my Fadda) Curtis and Janet Leigh, all leather and fur and quasi med-evil looking dresses,made of some gawd awful shiny fabric,and chiffon headgear on Janet Leigh. Sylvia Rognstad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since we always rant so much about how bad Hollywood does historical costumes in movies, here's a question that ought to get a lot of replies. I am teaching a class in the costume and fashion industries and thought it would be fun to show some clips of costumes from movies, and not just good examples but some really bad ones. For instance, I happened to see on tv a bit of an old movie from the 1950s a couple weeks ago called Princess of the Nile which took place in the Middle East and the costumes were so bad they were really laughable. The women were wearing high spiked heels for instance. So I'm wondering if you all can name some other old movies with really anachronistic or just plain wrong historical costumes. Sylrog ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume - Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] help for removing creases in silk?
Another costumer and board mod is/was a costumer for the theater and movies. Pleated silk was recently discussed ,and the secret reveled...since silk is a protien -like hair- the material is prepleated ,secured with rubber bands and dipped in ...permanent wave solution! it sets the pleats---permanetely when I did hair ages ago we air neutralized the solution by just letting it air dry on the rollers,so no peroxide was involved to bleach out the hair. Don't see why this can't be done for silk. Sometimes, people would come in with a really tight perm the wanted relaxed a bit or totally removed. We would saturate the hair with wave solution, comb the hair straight,process and rinse,volia! ...straight hair again. This could work for the material,may require you using a long flat water proof surface,some inexpensive perm solution, and a bit of patience wetting and smoothing those wrinkles. I'd chop off a small piece and try.nothing to loose. Melody Sharon at Collierfam.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I remember my costume prof in college showing us a Fortuny silk dress. It was permanantly pleated and you could ball it up and it would still be in pleats ages later. When it first came out, it was a big deal and the process was a closely guarded secret (according to my teacher). -Original Message- To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] help for removing creases in silk? snip I believe that for a good crinkle silk a chemical process is involved, but don't know the details. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com Dawn wrote: I bought some of that pleated silk that was popular a few years ago, and I'd like to remove the creases. Does anyone know how this can be done? Dawn __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] help for removing creases in silk?
yeah,if you dampen the fabric make sure you squeeze almost all the moisture out, copious amounts of water in the fabric won't help the solution to work.At ye Olde beauty College we just let it convert in the air, perm solution has a shelf life of only so many hrs, then the chemicals break down and stop processing . So I'd say let it go, then rinse if you wish... the crinkleswon't come back, if washed. you don't need the super fancy perm solution, you can buy it by the gallon (we did) for a few bucks, or just get the cheapest one out there,I'd go to the beauty supply store. Cut a square ,try it outsee if you like the results before commiting to the whole shebang. Sharon at Collierfam.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So if you wanted to pleat silk, you would saturate with permanent wave solution, then rinse with plain water? Or would you let it air dry? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Melody Watts Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 11:56 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] help for removing creases in silk? Another costumer and board mod is/was a costumer for the theater and movies. Pleated silk was recently discussed ,and the secret reveled...since silk is a protien -like hair- the material is prepleated ,secured with rubber bands and dipped in ...permanent wave solution! it sets the pleats---permanetely when I did hair ages ago we air neutralized the solution by just letting it air dry on the rollers,so no peroxide was involved to bleach out the hair. Don't see why this can't be done for silk. Sometimes, people would come in with a really tight perm the wanted relaxed a bit or totally removed. We would saturate the hair with wave solution, comb the hair straight,process and rinse,volia! ...straight hair again. This could work for the material,may require you using a long flat water proof surface,some inexpensive perm solution, and a bit of patience wetting and smoothing those wrinkles. I'd chop off a small piece and try.nothing to loose. Melody Sharon at Collierfam.com wrote: I remember my costume prof in college showing us a Fortuny silk dress. It was permanantly pleated and you could ball it up and it would still be in pleats ages later. When it first came out, it was a big deal and the process was a closely guarded secret (according to my teacher). -Original Message- To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] help for removing creases in silk? snip I believe that for a good crinkle silk a chemical process is involved, but don't know the details. Fran Dawn wrote: I bought some of that pleated silk that was popular a few years ago, and I'd like to remove the creases. Does anyone know how this can be done? Dawn __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Tudor/Elizabethan Jewelery
HI, Can anyone reccomend a book ,with drawings or photos , of Tudor and Elizabethan jewelery? Or even leads to good paintings would help... I 'm trying to reproduce Elizabethan earrings and I don't know wether they had pierced ears ,for ladies and gents, at that time period,or wether piercing was consider Crude or lower class? If it was acceptable, how were pearls or jewels suspended from the wires? I'm assuming they were wires- not post/studs-, if they were wires what shape were they? Any and all info greatly appreciated. melody __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] New Topic: drawstring necklines on chemises
Very interesting, when you click it up to 200% you can see the string end entering the channel/casing, but I was wondering if it was only 2 pieces of string involved 1 very long one for the channel across the back of the shoulders to the area above the collar bones and a shorter run directly across the front of the bust? The agilets would prevent the cord from slipping in the channel and getting lost Are the black bows with aglets functional or purely decorative? When you say the 4 laces make stop points, do you mean there are 4 laces total involved or 4 ends,2 tying ends for each bows ? Have never seen this type of neck treatment and it opens alot of options Melody SNIP --- Jennifer Geard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...another take on gathered chemise necklines, have a look at Raphael's La Donna Velata (http://gallery.euroweb.hu/html/r/raphael/5roma/3/03velata.html - click image for larger version). [*] The four laces mean there are stop-points at the front and back of the armpits, controlling any tendency for the fullness to gravity-feed to the centre front and back. Discussion welcome. grin JLG -- Jennifer Geard ___ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Stomacher --a photo demo
Hi, Did you check out this? http://www.ninyamikhaila.com/Princesselizabeth.html this shows the bodice part without the stomacher/placard pinned on. The visual helps alot, I know I had a hard time wrapping my brain around how the gowns went on, as I kept thinking they laced up the back. This photo group made it all clear to me. melody --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was recently made aware of the stomacher from some previous posts. I make Elizabethan costumes and though it isn't strictly period I am interested in learning more about them. I don't have the luxury of a ladies maid and this invention would definitely make getting dressed by oneself easier. Can anyone explain the workings of these, or possibly have a good picture of how they're attached and how they cover the laces? Thank-you Tania ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
