Re: [H] Weird keyboard problem on LG Gram laptop...

[Bino Gopal]

Heh yeah-I mean I was thinking the same thing...but pretty sure it's out of 
warranty at this pint...guess I should look into that...

Though I have seen people complaining about having issues with failing 
keyboards on these LG Grams and not being able to get them easily fixed-which 
is weird as that's not something I've had much failure with on any of my other 
laptops-lots of other things have failed like the screen hinge on my MSI 
(multiple times) and the power and USB ports, but not keys randomly working/not 
working like that...

And of course since I sent this it's both worked and stopped working, back and 
forth completely randomly...and currently it's back to working since I can type 
9(9(9(9( like this just fine... 😝

And the 7 key on the number pad started working again for the first time in a 
while!  777!  Cool!

Wish it was just consistent tho... :/

BINO


-Original Message-
From: Hardware  On Behalf Of _ 
Winterlight
Sent: Wednesday, March 6, 2024 1:04 PM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Weird keyboard problem on LG Gram laptop...

I think it would be a lot easier just to replace the keyboard on the laptop 
...if you can get oneor use a Bluetooth keyboard or even a USB keyboard. 
Logitech sells wireless keyboards with track pads. I use one with my TV 


From: Hardware  on behalf of Bino 
Gopal 
Sent: Monday, March 4, 2024 4:39 PM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com 
Subject: Re: [H] Weird keyboard problem on LG Gram laptop...

Ok this is SUPER WEIRD-the 9 key (and thus the left parentheses) started 
working randomly today during the day for about 10 mins-I used both for like 10 
mins today (tested it multiple times to make sure I wasn’t hallucinating) and 
it was working fine!

Then a few mins after I tried it again and it wasn’t working again!  So this 
indicates that it’s likely some sort of weird software problem right?  …or I 
suppose it could be a weird random sticky hardware key problem…

Any idea here??

BINO


> On Feb 26, 2024, at 14:53, Bino Gopal  wrote:
>
> Bueller...?  The list didn't die since New Year's Day (the last thread that 
> I saw), did it...?! 😝
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Hardware  On Behalf Of Bino 
> Gopal
> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2024 10:36 AM
> To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
> Subject: [H] Weird keyboard problem on LG Gram laptop...
>
> So this seems like a perfect HWG list question...
>
> I have a weird problem that just started happening a few weeks ago on the 
> keyboard of my LG Gram laptop from 2021...
>
> The 9 key across the top stopped working completely (I have to use the one on 
> the numeric keypad to type 9).
>
> I also can't use the left parentheses, and AFAIK there's no way to get that 
> symbol without using the ASCII key codes for it, ALT-0028-X, but that 
> apparently doesn't work everywhere like in Google Chat as I tried it to no 
> avail (unless some knows some trick to make it work) and I had to paste this 
> one in from the Character Map, which looks like it was the wrong font/size 
> now... :P
>
> Weirdly enough the 7 key on the numeric keypad also stopped working too.  
> Those are the only two keys that aren't working AFAIK...
>
> So I was wondering...I usually have taken my much older IBM Thinkpads apart 
> in the past, and esp my last laptop, an MSI gaming laptop which had a lot of 
> issues with the cover hinge breaking-but I stopped needing to do that back in 
> 2020 or so and I'm not sure this LG Gram is as forgiving at being opened...
>
> Is my only hope to take this sucker apart and see if there's something stuck 
> in those keys and it's some sort of physical issue causing the keys not to 
> work, or is this possibly some sort of software short circuit as the keys 
> feel fine and it's weird that those two just randomly stopped working no...?
>
> Any help/advice appreciated!  TIA!
>
>   
>  BINO
>
> P.S.  In the past I've had issues with some of the keys, maybe even the 9 key 
> itself not working or sticking and repeating, but banging on it a few times 
> usually got it working...
>

Re: [H] Weird keyboard problem on LG Gram laptop...

[_ Winterlight]

I think it would be a lot easier just to replace the keyboard on the laptop 
...if you can get oneor use a Bluetooth keyboard or even a USB keyboard. 
Logitech sells wireless keyboards with track pads. I use one with my TV 


From: Hardware  on behalf of Bino 
Gopal 
Sent: Monday, March 4, 2024 4:39 PM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com 
Subject: Re: [H] Weird keyboard problem on LG Gram laptop...

Ok this is SUPER WEIRD-the 9 key (and thus the left parentheses) started 
working randomly today during the day for about 10 mins-I used both for like 10 
mins today (tested it multiple times to make sure I wasn’t hallucinating) and 
it was working fine!

Then a few mins after I tried it again and it wasn’t working again!  So this 
indicates that it’s likely some sort of weird software problem right?  …or I 
suppose it could be a weird random sticky hardware key problem…

Any idea here??

BINO


> On Feb 26, 2024, at 14:53, Bino Gopal  wrote:
>
> Bueller...?  The list didn't die since New Year's Day (the last thread that 
> I saw), did it...?! 😝
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Hardware  On Behalf Of Bino 
> Gopal
> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2024 10:36 AM
> To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
> Subject: [H] Weird keyboard problem on LG Gram laptop...
>
> So this seems like a perfect HWG list question...
>
> I have a weird problem that just started happening a few weeks ago on the 
> keyboard of my LG Gram laptop from 2021...
>
> The 9 key across the top stopped working completely (I have to use the one on 
> the numeric keypad to type 9).
>
> I also can't use the left parentheses, and AFAIK there's no way to get that 
> symbol without using the ASCII key codes for it, ALT-0028-X, but that 
> apparently doesn't work everywhere like in Google Chat as I tried it to no 
> avail (unless some knows some trick to make it work) and I had to paste this 
> one in from the Character Map, which looks like it was the wrong font/size 
> now... :P
>
> Weirdly enough the 7 key on the numeric keypad also stopped working too.  
> Those are the only two keys that aren't working AFAIK...
>
> So I was wondering...I usually have taken my much older IBM Thinkpads apart 
> in the past, and esp my last laptop, an MSI gaming laptop which had a lot of 
> issues with the cover hinge breaking-but I stopped needing to do that back in 
> 2020 or so and I'm not sure this LG Gram is as forgiving at being opened...
>
> Is my only hope to take this sucker apart and see if there's something stuck 
> in those keys and it's some sort of physical issue causing the keys not to 
> work, or is this possibly some sort of software short circuit as the keys 
> feel fine and it's weird that those two just randomly stopped working no...?
>
> Any help/advice appreciated!  TIA!
>
>   
>  BINO
>
> P.S.  In the past I've had issues with some of the keys, maybe even the 9 key 
> itself not working or sticking and repeating, but banging on it a few times 
> usually got it working...
>

Re: [H] Weird keyboard problem on LG Gram laptop...

[Bino Gopal]

Ok this is SUPER WEIRD-the 9 key (and thus the left parentheses) started 
working randomly today during the day for about 10 mins-I used both for like 10 
mins today (tested it multiple times to make sure I wasn’t hallucinating) and 
it was working fine!

Then a few mins after I tried it again and it wasn’t working again!  So this 
indicates that it’s likely some sort of weird software problem right?  …or I 
suppose it could be a weird random sticky hardware key problem…

Any idea here??

BINO


> On Feb 26, 2024, at 14:53, Bino Gopal  wrote:
> 
> Bueller...?  The list didn't die since New Year's Day (the last thread that 
> I saw), did it...?! 😝
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Hardware  On Behalf Of Bino 
> Gopal
> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2024 10:36 AM
> To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
> Subject: [H] Weird keyboard problem on LG Gram laptop...
> 
> So this seems like a perfect HWG list question...
> 
> I have a weird problem that just started happening a few weeks ago on the 
> keyboard of my LG Gram laptop from 2021...
> 
> The 9 key across the top stopped working completely (I have to use the one on 
> the numeric keypad to type 9).
> 
> I also can't use the left parentheses, and AFAIK there's no way to get that 
> symbol without using the ASCII key codes for it, ALT-0028-X, but that 
> apparently doesn't work everywhere like in Google Chat as I tried it to no 
> avail (unless some knows some trick to make it work) and I had to paste this 
> one in from the Character Map, which looks like it was the wrong font/size 
> now... :P
> 
> Weirdly enough the 7 key on the numeric keypad also stopped working too.  
> Those are the only two keys that aren't working AFAIK...
> 
> So I was wondering...I usually have taken my much older IBM Thinkpads apart 
> in the past, and esp my last laptop, an MSI gaming laptop which had a lot of 
> issues with the cover hinge breaking-but I stopped needing to do that back in 
> 2020 or so and I'm not sure this LG Gram is as forgiving at being opened...
> 
> Is my only hope to take this sucker apart and see if there's something stuck 
> in those keys and it's some sort of physical issue causing the keys not to 
> work, or is this possibly some sort of software short circuit as the keys 
> feel fine and it's weird that those two just randomly stopped working no...?
> 
> Any help/advice appreciated!  TIA!
> 
>   
>  BINO
> 
> P.S.  In the past I've had issues with some of the keys, maybe even the 9 key 
> itself not working or sticking and repeating, but banging on it a few times 
> usually got it working...
> 

Re: [H] Weird keyboard problem on LG Gram laptop...

[Bino Gopal]

Bueller...?  The list didn't die since New Year's Day (the last thread that I 
saw), did it...?! 😝


-Original Message-
From: Hardware  On Behalf Of Bino 
Gopal
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2024 10:36 AM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: [H] Weird keyboard problem on LG Gram laptop...

So this seems like a perfect HWG list question...

I have a weird problem that just started happening a few weeks ago on the 
keyboard of my LG Gram laptop from 2021...

The 9 key across the top stopped working completely (I have to use the one on 
the numeric keypad to type 9).

I also can't use the left parentheses, and AFAIK there's no way to get that 
symbol without using the ASCII key codes for it, ALT-0028-X, but that 
apparently doesn't work everywhere like in Google Chat as I tried it to no 
avail (unless some knows some trick to make it work) and I had to paste this 
one in from the Character Map, which looks like it was the wrong font/size 
now... :P

Weirdly enough the 7 key on the numeric keypad also stopped working too.  Those 
are the only two keys that aren't working AFAIK...

So I was wondering...I usually have taken my much older IBM Thinkpads apart in 
the past, and esp my last laptop, an MSI gaming laptop which had a lot of 
issues with the cover hinge breaking-but I stopped needing to do that back in 
2020 or so and I'm not sure this LG Gram is as forgiving at being opened...

Is my only hope to take this sucker apart and see if there's something stuck in 
those keys and it's some sort of physical issue causing the keys not to work, 
or is this possibly some sort of software short circuit as the keys feel fine 
and it's weird that those two just randomly stopped working no...?

Any help/advice appreciated!  TIA!


BINO

P.S.  In the past I've had issues with some of the keys, maybe even the 9 key 
itself not working or sticking and repeating, but banging on it a few times 
usually got it working...

[H] Weird keyboard problem on LG Gram laptop...

[Bino Gopal]

So this seems like a perfect HWG list question...

I have a weird problem that just started happening a few weeks ago on the 
keyboard of my LG Gram laptop from 2021...

The 9 key across the top stopped working completely (I have to use the one on 
the numeric keypad to type 9).

I also can't use the left parentheses, and AFAIK there's no way to get that 
symbol without using the ASCII key codes for it, ALT-0028-X, but that 
apparently doesn't work everywhere like in Google Chat as I tried it to no 
avail (unless some knows some trick to make it work) and I had to paste this 
one in from the Character Map, which looks like it was the wrong font/size 
now... :P

Weirdly enough the 7 key on the numeric keypad also stopped working too.  Those 
are the only two keys that aren't working AFAIK...

So I was wondering...I usually have taken my much older IBM Thinkpads apart in 
the past, and esp my last laptop, an MSI gaming laptop which had a lot of 
issues with the cover hinge breaking-but I stopped needing to do that back in 
2020 or so and I'm not sure this LG Gram is as forgiving at being opened...

Is my only hope to take this sucker apart and see if there's something stuck in 
those keys and it's some sort of physical issue causing the keys not to work, 
or is this possibly some sort of software short circuit as the keys feel fine 
and it's weird that those two just randomly stopped working no...?

Any help/advice appreciated!  TIA!


BINO

P.S.  In the past I've had issues with some of the keys, maybe even the 9 key 
itself not working or sticking and repeating, but banging on it a few times 
usually got it working...

Re: [H] Weird PC issue

[Bobby Heid]

I just cloned the M.2.  

I did not try to wipe and reinstall on the old one.  That would be a long term 
task to get everything back the way that I wanted it.  But, It may be something 
I try in the future.

But, as of today, there have been no lockups.  

-Original Message-
From: Hardware  On Behalf Of Bino 
Gopal
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2020 2:32 PM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Weird PC issue

So when you replaced the M.2 did you clone the install, or start fresh?

Wonder if it's not the physical M.2 SSD, but maybe the install of the OS/files 
on it...

Did you try wiping the old M.2 SSD before replacing it?

Curious if it turns out to be a SW or HW issue-I think you isolated it down to 
the M.2 clearly, but not sure it's been identified as either SW or HW on the 
M.2 as a result, right?

BINO


-Original Message-
From: Hardware  On Behalf Of Bobby 
Heid
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2020 12:58 PM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Weird PC issue

Latest update.

I replaced the M.2 SSD on 11/20 and it appears to have solved the issue with my 
PC locking up.  I have not had it lock up since I replaced the drive.  I know, 
it  could still not be resolved.

But, I want to thank each and everyone of you that tried to help me with my 
issue.  I really appreciate you taking the time to assist me!  And, I ended up 
with an extra HDD.  Who can't use the extra space.  😊

Thanks,
Bobby

-Original Message-
From: Hardware  On Behalf Of lopaka 
polena
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 7:25 PM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Weird PC issue

It could be the M.2 SSD. I've only had 1 of those fail before but I'm sure it 
can happen just as easily as failure in SATA SSD (1 have 5 dead ones)

lopaka

On Tue, Nov 17, 2020 at 3:27 PM Bobby Heid  wrote:

> And now, I have been using VideoRedo for about 30 minutes now and the 
> common dialog window opens very fast.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Hardware  On Behalf Of 
> Bobby Heid
> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 5:37 PM
> To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
> Subject: Re: [H] Weird PC issue
>
> Thanks Lubomir.  Were you able to fix the issue?
>
> So, I replaced my non-boot SSD with a HDD.  At first, all went well.  
> From within VideoRedo, the common dialog windows opened very fast.  
> And, it did not lock up for over 12 hours.  But when I got up this 
> morning, it was locked up.
>
> The only drive I have not disabled/replaced is the M2 boot SSD.  Do 
> you think this may be causing the issue?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Hardware  On Behalf Of 
> Lubomír Cabla
> Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2020 3:31 PM
> To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
> Subject: Re: [H] Weird PC issue
>
> I have the same issue with VLC player.
>
> First time the delay is about 15 seconds, next run is without delay.
>
> After checking in the task manager (Details) I found out the cause:
>
> MsMpEngCP.exe and MsMpEng.exe
>
> They perform full control of the running program but only the first time.
>
> Maybe it will help you.
>
> Lubomir Cabla
>
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 3:22 PM Bobby Heid  wrote:
>
> > Yes, it was good info.
> >
> > Latest update.  I swapped the 5TB HDD out for a new 6TB HDD.  No changes.
> > I guess now I have lots more storage.  😊
> >
> > Could this issue be with one of the SSDs?  The Samsung Magician 
> > software says those are ok.
> >
> > Here is an odd thing that I noticed.  Sometimes, when using my video 
> > editing software (VideoReDo TVSuite V6), I noticed when I do 
> > something that causes the app to open up the standard open file 
> > dialog, there can be a delay of between 5 and 20 seconds before the 
> > dialog window opens.  Other times, it opens almost instantly.  This 
> > kind of led me to believe that it may have been the HDD causing my 
> > issues.  I would open a file from the HDD and set its output to the 
> > non-NVME SSD.
> >
> > Any other suggestions?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Bobby
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Hardware  On Behalf 
> > Of lopaka polena
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 5:05 PM
> > To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
> > Subject: Re: [H] Weird PC issue
> >
> > Those were good recommendations from Joshua, never seen that info before.
> > The drive I pulled passed every test, but had long pauses during 
> > some of them. I basically swapped everything that could be swapped 
> > during testing except my m2 SSD's, and when I swapped the 4TB 
> > seagate drive all the problems went away. Hopefully you luck ou

Re: [H] Weird PC issue

[Bino Gopal]

So when you replaced the M.2 did you clone the install, or start fresh?

Wonder if it's not the physical M.2 SSD, but maybe the install of the OS/files 
on it...

Did you try wiping the old M.2 SSD before replacing it?

Curious if it turns out to be a SW or HW issue-I think you isolated it down to 
the M.2 clearly, but not sure it's been identified as either SW or HW on the 
M.2 as a result, right?

BINO


-Original Message-
From: Hardware  On Behalf Of Bobby 
Heid
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2020 12:58 PM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Weird PC issue

Latest update.

I replaced the M.2 SSD on 11/20 and it appears to have solved the issue with my 
PC locking up.  I have not had it lock up since I replaced the drive.  I know, 
it  could still not be resolved.

But, I want to thank each and everyone of you that tried to help me with my 
issue.  I really appreciate you taking the time to assist me!  And, I ended up 
with an extra HDD.  Who can't use the extra space.  😊

Thanks,
Bobby

-Original Message-
From: Hardware  On Behalf Of lopaka 
polena
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 7:25 PM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Weird PC issue

It could be the M.2 SSD. I've only had 1 of those fail before but I'm sure it 
can happen just as easily as failure in SATA SSD (1 have 5 dead ones)

lopaka

On Tue, Nov 17, 2020 at 3:27 PM Bobby Heid  wrote:

> And now, I have been using VideoRedo for about 30 minutes now and the 
> common dialog window opens very fast.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Hardware  On Behalf Of 
> Bobby Heid
> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 5:37 PM
> To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
> Subject: Re: [H] Weird PC issue
>
> Thanks Lubomir.  Were you able to fix the issue?
>
> So, I replaced my non-boot SSD with a HDD.  At first, all went well.  
> From within VideoRedo, the common dialog windows opened very fast.  
> And, it did not lock up for over 12 hours.  But when I got up this 
> morning, it was locked up.
>
> The only drive I have not disabled/replaced is the M2 boot SSD.  Do 
> you think this may be causing the issue?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Hardware  On Behalf Of 
> Lubomír Cabla
> Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2020 3:31 PM
> To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
> Subject: Re: [H] Weird PC issue
>
> I have the same issue with VLC player.
>
> First time the delay is about 15 seconds, next run is without delay.
>
> After checking in the task manager (Details) I found out the cause:
>
> MsMpEngCP.exe and MsMpEng.exe
>
> They perform full control of the running program but only the first time.
>
> Maybe it will help you.
>
> Lubomir Cabla
>
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 3:22 PM Bobby Heid  wrote:
>
> > Yes, it was good info.
> >
> > Latest update.  I swapped the 5TB HDD out for a new 6TB HDD.  No changes.
> > I guess now I have lots more storage.  😊
> >
> > Could this issue be with one of the SSDs?  The Samsung Magician 
> > software says those are ok.
> >
> > Here is an odd thing that I noticed.  Sometimes, when using my video 
> > editing software (VideoReDo TVSuite V6), I noticed when I do 
> > something that causes the app to open up the standard open file 
> > dialog, there can be a delay of between 5 and 20 seconds before the 
> > dialog window opens.  Other times, it opens almost instantly.  This 
> > kind of led me to believe that it may have been the HDD causing my 
> > issues.  I would open a file from the HDD and set its output to the 
> > non-NVME SSD.
> >
> > Any other suggestions?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Bobby
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Hardware  On Behalf 
> > Of lopaka polena
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 5:05 PM
> > To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
> > Subject: Re: [H] Weird PC issue
> >
> > Those were good recommendations from Joshua, never seen that info before.
> > The drive I pulled passed every test, but had long pauses during 
> > some of them. I basically swapped everything that could be swapped 
> > during testing except my m2 SSD's, and when I swapped the 4TB 
> > seagate drive all the problems went away. Hopefully you luck out and 
> > find the culprit
> too.
> >
> > lopaka
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 1:39 PM Bobby Heid  wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks Joshua.
> > >
> > > I ran all of those except for the performance monitoring one and 
> > > all said OK.  An interesting note - some of those tests do not 
> > > show the NVME SSD (Samsung 960 Pro SSD).
> > >
&g

Re: [H] Weird PC issue

[Bobby Heid]

Latest update.

I replaced the M.2 SSD on 11/20 and it appears to have solved the issue with my 
PC locking up.  I have not had it lock up since I replaced the drive.  I know, 
it  could still not be resolved.

But, I want to thank each and everyone of you that tried to help me with my 
issue.  I really appreciate you taking the time to assist me!  And, I ended up 
with an extra HDD.  Who can't use the extra space.  😊

Thanks,
Bobby

-Original Message-
From: Hardware  On Behalf Of lopaka 
polena
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 7:25 PM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Weird PC issue

It could be the M.2 SSD. I've only had 1 of those fail before but I'm sure it 
can happen just as easily as failure in SATA SSD (1 have 5 dead ones)

lopaka

On Tue, Nov 17, 2020 at 3:27 PM Bobby Heid  wrote:

> And now, I have been using VideoRedo for about 30 minutes now and the 
> common dialog window opens very fast.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Hardware  On Behalf Of 
> Bobby Heid
> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 5:37 PM
> To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
> Subject: Re: [H] Weird PC issue
>
> Thanks Lubomir.  Were you able to fix the issue?
>
> So, I replaced my non-boot SSD with a HDD.  At first, all went well.  
> From within VideoRedo, the common dialog windows opened very fast.  
> And, it did not lock up for over 12 hours.  But when I got up this 
> morning, it was locked up.
>
> The only drive I have not disabled/replaced is the M2 boot SSD.  Do 
> you think this may be causing the issue?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Hardware  On Behalf Of 
> Lubomír Cabla
> Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2020 3:31 PM
> To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
> Subject: Re: [H] Weird PC issue
>
> I have the same issue with VLC player.
>
> First time the delay is about 15 seconds, next run is without delay.
>
> After checking in the task manager (Details) I found out the cause:
>
> MsMpEngCP.exe and MsMpEng.exe
>
> They perform full control of the running program but only the first time.
>
> Maybe it will help you.
>
> Lubomir Cabla
>
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 3:22 PM Bobby Heid  wrote:
>
> > Yes, it was good info.
> >
> > Latest update.  I swapped the 5TB HDD out for a new 6TB HDD.  No changes.
> > I guess now I have lots more storage.  😊
> >
> > Could this issue be with one of the SSDs?  The Samsung Magician 
> > software says those are ok.
> >
> > Here is an odd thing that I noticed.  Sometimes, when using my video 
> > editing software (VideoReDo TVSuite V6), I noticed when I do 
> > something that causes the app to open up the standard open file 
> > dialog, there can be a delay of between 5 and 20 seconds before the 
> > dialog window opens.  Other times, it opens almost instantly.  This 
> > kind of led me to believe that it may have been the HDD causing my 
> > issues.  I would open a file from the HDD and set its output to the 
> > non-NVME SSD.
> >
> > Any other suggestions?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Bobby
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Hardware  On Behalf 
> > Of lopaka polena
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 5:05 PM
> > To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
> > Subject: Re: [H] Weird PC issue
> >
> > Those were good recommendations from Joshua, never seen that info before.
> > The drive I pulled passed every test, but had long pauses during 
> > some of them. I basically swapped everything that could be swapped 
> > during testing except my m2 SSD's, and when I swapped the 4TB 
> > seagate drive all the problems went away. Hopefully you luck out and 
> > find the culprit
> too.
> >
> > lopaka
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 1:39 PM Bobby Heid  wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks Joshua.
> > >
> > > I ran all of those except for the performance monitoring one and 
> > > all said OK.  An interesting note - some of those tests do not 
> > > show the NVME SSD (Samsung 960 Pro SSD).
> > >
> > > I did buy a new 6TB HD to swap out for the 5TB one to see if that 
> > > may
> > help.
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Hardware  On 
> > > Behalf Of Joshua MacCraw
> > > Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2020 12:27 PM
> > > To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
> > > Subject: Re: [H] Weird PC issue
> > >
> > > SMART testing comes to mind as well as checking the log for disk 
> > > related events. Found this tip, didn't know win10 did this 
> > > directly
> > > -
> > >
> > > https:/

Re: [H] Weird PC issue

[Lubomír Čabla]

To Bobby:

Unfortunately not.

I use normal HDD, no SSD or M2 SSD/NVME.

I only noticed this slowdown in the launch of the application in the
version Windows 2004 20H2/64 bit.

In previous versions, everything was fine, normal.

On Tue, Nov 17, 2020 at 11:36 PM Bobby Heid  wrote:

> Thanks Lubomir.  Were you able to fix the issue?
>
> So, I replaced my non-boot SSD with a HDD.  At first, all went well.  From
> within VideoRedo, the common dialog windows opened very fast.  And, it did
> not lock up for over 12 hours.  But when I got up this morning, it was
> locked up.
>
> The only drive I have not disabled/replaced is the M2 boot SSD.  Do you
> think this may be causing the issue?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Hardware  On Behalf Of
> Lubomír Cabla
> Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2020 3:31 PM
> To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
> Subject: Re: [H] Weird PC issue
>
> I have the same issue with VLC player.
>
> First time the delay is about 15 seconds, next run is without delay.
>
> After checking in the task manager (Details) I found out the cause:
>
> MsMpEngCP.exe and MsMpEng.exe
>
> They perform full control of the running program but only the first time.
>
> Maybe it will help you.
>
> Lubomir Cabla
>
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 3:22 PM Bobby Heid  wrote:
>
> > Yes, it was good info.
> >
> > Latest update.  I swapped the 5TB HDD out for a new 6TB HDD.  No changes.
> > I guess now I have lots more storage.  😊
> >
> > Could this issue be with one of the SSDs?  The Samsung Magician
> > software says those are ok.
> >
> > Here is an odd thing that I noticed.  Sometimes, when using my video
> > editing software (VideoReDo TVSuite V6), I noticed when I do something
> > that causes the app to open up the standard open file dialog, there
> > can be a delay of between 5 and 20 seconds before the dialog window
> > opens.  Other times, it opens almost instantly.  This kind of led me
> > to believe that it may have been the HDD causing my issues.  I would
> > open a file from the HDD and set its output to the non-NVME SSD.
> >
> > Any other suggestions?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Bobby
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Hardware  On Behalf Of
> > lopaka polena
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 5:05 PM
> > To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
> > Subject: Re: [H] Weird PC issue
> >
> > Those were good recommendations from Joshua, never seen that info before.
> > The drive I pulled passed every test, but had long pauses during some
> > of them. I basically swapped everything that could be swapped during
> > testing except my m2 SSD's, and when I swapped the 4TB seagate drive
> > all the problems went away. Hopefully you luck out and find the culprit
> too.
> >
> > lopaka
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 1:39 PM Bobby Heid  wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks Joshua.
> > >
> > > I ran all of those except for the performance monitoring one and all
> > > said OK.  An interesting note - some of those tests do not show the
> > > NVME SSD (Samsung 960 Pro SSD).
> > >
> > > I did buy a new 6TB HD to swap out for the 5TB one to see if that
> > > may
> > help.
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Hardware  On Behalf
> > > Of Joshua MacCraw
> > > Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2020 12:27 PM
> > > To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
> > > Subject: Re: [H] Weird PC issue
> > >
> > > SMART testing comes to mind as well as checking the log for disk
> > > related events. Found this tip, didn't know win10 did this directly
> > > -
> > >
> > > https://www.windowscentral.com/how-check-if-hard-drive-failing-smart
> > > -w
> > > indows-10
> > >
> > > On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 2:24 PM Bobby Heid  wrote:
> > >
> > > > Thanks.  Could be on to something there.  I will pursue looking at
> > > > testing the drive.
> > > >
> > > > The locking up can happen whether it is recording or not.  I was
> > > > trying to demonstrate that I did not think processes were
> > > > executing while it appeared locked up.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Bobby
> > > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: Hardware  On
> > > > Behalf Of lopaka polena
> > > > Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 4:53 PM
> > > > To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
> > > > Subject: Re: [H] Weird PC issue
>

Re: [H] Weird PC issue

[lopaka polena]

It could be the M.2 SSD. I've only had 1 of those fail before but I'm sure
it can happen just as easily as failure in SATA SSD (1 have 5 dead ones)

lopaka

On Tue, Nov 17, 2020 at 3:27 PM Bobby Heid  wrote:

> And now, I have been using VideoRedo for about 30 minutes now and the
> common dialog window opens very fast.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Hardware  On Behalf Of
> Bobby Heid
> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 5:37 PM
> To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
> Subject: Re: [H] Weird PC issue
>
> Thanks Lubomir.  Were you able to fix the issue?
>
> So, I replaced my non-boot SSD with a HDD.  At first, all went well.  From
> within VideoRedo, the common dialog windows opened very fast.  And, it did
> not lock up for over 12 hours.  But when I got up this morning, it was
> locked up.
>
> The only drive I have not disabled/replaced is the M2 boot SSD.  Do you
> think this may be causing the issue?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Hardware  On Behalf Of
> Lubomír Cabla
> Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2020 3:31 PM
> To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
> Subject: Re: [H] Weird PC issue
>
> I have the same issue with VLC player.
>
> First time the delay is about 15 seconds, next run is without delay.
>
> After checking in the task manager (Details) I found out the cause:
>
> MsMpEngCP.exe and MsMpEng.exe
>
> They perform full control of the running program but only the first time.
>
> Maybe it will help you.
>
> Lubomir Cabla
>
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 3:22 PM Bobby Heid  wrote:
>
> > Yes, it was good info.
> >
> > Latest update.  I swapped the 5TB HDD out for a new 6TB HDD.  No changes.
> > I guess now I have lots more storage.  😊
> >
> > Could this issue be with one of the SSDs?  The Samsung Magician
> > software says those are ok.
> >
> > Here is an odd thing that I noticed.  Sometimes, when using my video
> > editing software (VideoReDo TVSuite V6), I noticed when I do something
> > that causes the app to open up the standard open file dialog, there
> > can be a delay of between 5 and 20 seconds before the dialog window
> > opens.  Other times, it opens almost instantly.  This kind of led me
> > to believe that it may have been the HDD causing my issues.  I would
> > open a file from the HDD and set its output to the non-NVME SSD.
> >
> > Any other suggestions?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Bobby
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Hardware  On Behalf Of
> > lopaka polena
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 5:05 PM
> > To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
> > Subject: Re: [H] Weird PC issue
> >
> > Those were good recommendations from Joshua, never seen that info before.
> > The drive I pulled passed every test, but had long pauses during some
> > of them. I basically swapped everything that could be swapped during
> > testing except my m2 SSD's, and when I swapped the 4TB seagate drive
> > all the problems went away. Hopefully you luck out and find the culprit
> too.
> >
> > lopaka
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 1:39 PM Bobby Heid  wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks Joshua.
> > >
> > > I ran all of those except for the performance monitoring one and all
> > > said OK.  An interesting note - some of those tests do not show the
> > > NVME SSD (Samsung 960 Pro SSD).
> > >
> > > I did buy a new 6TB HD to swap out for the 5TB one to see if that
> > > may
> > help.
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Hardware  On Behalf
> > > Of Joshua MacCraw
> > > Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2020 12:27 PM
> > > To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
> > > Subject: Re: [H] Weird PC issue
> > >
> > > SMART testing comes to mind as well as checking the log for disk
> > > related events. Found this tip, didn't know win10 did this directly
> > > -
> > >
> > > https://www.windowscentral.com/how-check-if-hard-drive-failing-smart
> > > -w
> > > indows-10
> > >
> > > On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 2:24 PM Bobby Heid  wrote:
> > >
> > > > Thanks.  Could be on to something there.  I will pursue looking at
> > > > testing the drive.
> > > >
> > > > The locking up can happen whether it is recording or not.  I was
> > > > trying to demonstrate that I did not think processes were
> > > > executing while it appeared locked up.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Bobby
> > > >
> > > > -Origina

Re: [H] Weird PC issue

[Bobby Heid]

And now, I have been using VideoRedo for about 30 minutes now and the common 
dialog window opens very fast.

-Original Message-
From: Hardware  On Behalf Of Bobby 
Heid
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 5:37 PM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Weird PC issue

Thanks Lubomir.  Were you able to fix the issue?

So, I replaced my non-boot SSD with a HDD.  At first, all went well.  >From 
within VideoRedo, the common dialog windows opened very fast.  And, it did not 
lock up for over 12 hours.  But when I got up this morning, it was locked up.

The only drive I have not disabled/replaced is the M2 boot SSD.  Do you think 
this may be causing the issue?

-Original Message-
From: Hardware  On Behalf Of Lubomír 
Cabla
Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2020 3:31 PM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Weird PC issue

I have the same issue with VLC player.

First time the delay is about 15 seconds, next run is without delay.

After checking in the task manager (Details) I found out the cause:

MsMpEngCP.exe and MsMpEng.exe

They perform full control of the running program but only the first time.

Maybe it will help you.

Lubomir Cabla

On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 3:22 PM Bobby Heid  wrote:

> Yes, it was good info.
>
> Latest update.  I swapped the 5TB HDD out for a new 6TB HDD.  No changes.
> I guess now I have lots more storage.  😊
>
> Could this issue be with one of the SSDs?  The Samsung Magician 
> software says those are ok.
>
> Here is an odd thing that I noticed.  Sometimes, when using my video 
> editing software (VideoReDo TVSuite V6), I noticed when I do something 
> that causes the app to open up the standard open file dialog, there 
> can be a delay of between 5 and 20 seconds before the dialog window 
> opens.  Other times, it opens almost instantly.  This kind of led me 
> to believe that it may have been the HDD causing my issues.  I would 
> open a file from the HDD and set its output to the non-NVME SSD.
>
> Any other suggestions?
>
> Thanks,
> Bobby
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Hardware  On Behalf Of 
> lopaka polena
> Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 5:05 PM
> To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
> Subject: Re: [H] Weird PC issue
>
> Those were good recommendations from Joshua, never seen that info before.
> The drive I pulled passed every test, but had long pauses during some 
> of them. I basically swapped everything that could be swapped during 
> testing except my m2 SSD's, and when I swapped the 4TB seagate drive 
> all the problems went away. Hopefully you luck out and find the culprit too.
>
> lopaka
>
> On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 1:39 PM Bobby Heid  wrote:
>
> > Thanks Joshua.
> >
> > I ran all of those except for the performance monitoring one and all 
> > said OK.  An interesting note - some of those tests do not show the 
> > NVME SSD (Samsung 960 Pro SSD).
> >
> > I did buy a new 6TB HD to swap out for the 5TB one to see if that 
> > may
> help.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Hardware  On Behalf 
> > Of Joshua MacCraw
> > Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2020 12:27 PM
> > To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
> > Subject: Re: [H] Weird PC issue
> >
> > SMART testing comes to mind as well as checking the log for disk 
> > related events. Found this tip, didn't know win10 did this directly
> > -
> >
> > https://www.windowscentral.com/how-check-if-hard-drive-failing-smart
> > -w
> > indows-10
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 2:24 PM Bobby Heid  wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks.  Could be on to something there.  I will pursue looking at 
> > > testing the drive.
> > >
> > > The locking up can happen whether it is recording or not.  I was 
> > > trying to demonstrate that I did not think processes were 
> > > executing while it appeared locked up.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Bobby
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Hardware  On 
> > > Behalf Of lopaka polena
> > > Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 4:53 PM
> > > To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
> > > Subject: Re: [H] Weird PC issue
> > >
> > > Strangely enough my bad drive passed chkdsk multiple times without 
> > > one fail, so pulling it was a last ditch effect since I'd already 
> > > swapped video card, RAM and power supply.
> > >
> > > lopaka
> > >
> > > <
> > > https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&u
> > > tm _c ampaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon
> > > >
> > > Virus-free.
>

Re: [H] Weird PC issue

[Bobby Heid]

Thanks Lubomir.  Were you able to fix the issue?

So, I replaced my non-boot SSD with a HDD.  At first, all went well.  >From 
within VideoRedo, the common dialog windows opened very fast.  And, it did not 
lock up for over 12 hours.  But when I got up this morning, it was locked up.

The only drive I have not disabled/replaced is the M2 boot SSD.  Do you think 
this may be causing the issue?

-Original Message-
From: Hardware  On Behalf Of Lubomír 
Cabla
Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2020 3:31 PM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Weird PC issue

I have the same issue with VLC player.

First time the delay is about 15 seconds, next run is without delay.

After checking in the task manager (Details) I found out the cause:

MsMpEngCP.exe and MsMpEng.exe

They perform full control of the running program but only the first time.

Maybe it will help you.

Lubomir Cabla

On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 3:22 PM Bobby Heid  wrote:

> Yes, it was good info.
>
> Latest update.  I swapped the 5TB HDD out for a new 6TB HDD.  No changes.
> I guess now I have lots more storage.  😊
>
> Could this issue be with one of the SSDs?  The Samsung Magician 
> software says those are ok.
>
> Here is an odd thing that I noticed.  Sometimes, when using my video 
> editing software (VideoReDo TVSuite V6), I noticed when I do something 
> that causes the app to open up the standard open file dialog, there 
> can be a delay of between 5 and 20 seconds before the dialog window 
> opens.  Other times, it opens almost instantly.  This kind of led me 
> to believe that it may have been the HDD causing my issues.  I would 
> open a file from the HDD and set its output to the non-NVME SSD.
>
> Any other suggestions?
>
> Thanks,
> Bobby
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Hardware  On Behalf Of 
> lopaka polena
> Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 5:05 PM
> To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
> Subject: Re: [H] Weird PC issue
>
> Those were good recommendations from Joshua, never seen that info before.
> The drive I pulled passed every test, but had long pauses during some 
> of them. I basically swapped everything that could be swapped during 
> testing except my m2 SSD's, and when I swapped the 4TB seagate drive 
> all the problems went away. Hopefully you luck out and find the culprit too.
>
> lopaka
>
> On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 1:39 PM Bobby Heid  wrote:
>
> > Thanks Joshua.
> >
> > I ran all of those except for the performance monitoring one and all 
> > said OK.  An interesting note - some of those tests do not show the 
> > NVME SSD (Samsung 960 Pro SSD).
> >
> > I did buy a new 6TB HD to swap out for the 5TB one to see if that 
> > may
> help.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Hardware  On Behalf 
> > Of Joshua MacCraw
> > Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2020 12:27 PM
> > To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
> > Subject: Re: [H] Weird PC issue
> >
> > SMART testing comes to mind as well as checking the log for disk 
> > related events. Found this tip, didn't know win10 did this directly 
> > -
> >
> > https://www.windowscentral.com/how-check-if-hard-drive-failing-smart
> > -w
> > indows-10
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 2:24 PM Bobby Heid  wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks.  Could be on to something there.  I will pursue looking at 
> > > testing the drive.
> > >
> > > The locking up can happen whether it is recording or not.  I was 
> > > trying to demonstrate that I did not think processes were 
> > > executing while it appeared locked up.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Bobby
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Hardware  On 
> > > Behalf Of lopaka polena
> > > Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 4:53 PM
> > > To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
> > > Subject: Re: [H] Weird PC issue
> > >
> > > Strangely enough my bad drive passed chkdsk multiple times without 
> > > one fail, so pulling it was a last ditch effect since I'd already 
> > > swapped video card, RAM and power supply.
> > >
> > > lopaka
> > >
> > > <
> > > https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&u
> > > tm _c ampaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon
> > > >
> > > Virus-free.
> > > www.avast.com
> > > <
> > > https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&u
> > > tm _c ampaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link
> > > >
> > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2A

Re: [H] Weird PC issue

[Bobby Heid]

Thanks.  I will check it out.  

-Original Message-
From: Hardware  On Behalf Of Lubomír 
Cabla
Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2020 3:31 PM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Weird PC issue

I have the same issue with VLC player.

First time the delay is about 15 seconds, next run is without delay.

After checking in the task manager (Details) I found out the cause:

MsMpEngCP.exe and MsMpEng.exe

They perform full control of the running program but only the first time.

Maybe it will help you.

Lubomir Cabla

On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 3:22 PM Bobby Heid  wrote:

> Yes, it was good info.
>
> Latest update.  I swapped the 5TB HDD out for a new 6TB HDD.  No changes.
> I guess now I have lots more storage.  😊
>
> Could this issue be with one of the SSDs?  The Samsung Magician 
> software says those are ok.
>
> Here is an odd thing that I noticed.  Sometimes, when using my video 
> editing software (VideoReDo TVSuite V6), I noticed when I do something 
> that causes the app to open up the standard open file dialog, there 
> can be a delay of between 5 and 20 seconds before the dialog window 
> opens.  Other times, it opens almost instantly.  This kind of led me 
> to believe that it may have been the HDD causing my issues.  I would 
> open a file from the HDD and set its output to the non-NVME SSD.
>
> Any other suggestions?
>
> Thanks,
> Bobby
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Hardware  On Behalf Of 
> lopaka polena
> Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 5:05 PM
> To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
> Subject: Re: [H] Weird PC issue
>
> Those were good recommendations from Joshua, never seen that info before.
> The drive I pulled passed every test, but had long pauses during some 
> of them. I basically swapped everything that could be swapped during 
> testing except my m2 SSD's, and when I swapped the 4TB seagate drive 
> all the problems went away. Hopefully you luck out and find the culprit too.
>
> lopaka
>
> On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 1:39 PM Bobby Heid  wrote:
>
> > Thanks Joshua.
> >
> > I ran all of those except for the performance monitoring one and all 
> > said OK.  An interesting note - some of those tests do not show the 
> > NVME SSD (Samsung 960 Pro SSD).
> >
> > I did buy a new 6TB HD to swap out for the 5TB one to see if that 
> > may
> help.
> >
> > -----Original Message-
> > From: Hardware  On Behalf 
> > Of Joshua MacCraw
> > Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2020 12:27 PM
> > To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
> > Subject: Re: [H] Weird PC issue
> >
> > SMART testing comes to mind as well as checking the log for disk 
> > related events. Found this tip, didn't know win10 did this directly 
> > -
> >
> > https://www.windowscentral.com/how-check-if-hard-drive-failing-smart
> > -w
> > indows-10
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 2:24 PM Bobby Heid  wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks.  Could be on to something there.  I will pursue looking at 
> > > testing the drive.
> > >
> > > The locking up can happen whether it is recording or not.  I was 
> > > trying to demonstrate that I did not think processes were 
> > > executing while it appeared locked up.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Bobby
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Hardware  On 
> > > Behalf Of lopaka polena
> > > Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 4:53 PM
> > > To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
> > > Subject: Re: [H] Weird PC issue
> > >
> > > Strangely enough my bad drive passed chkdsk multiple times without 
> > > one fail, so pulling it was a last ditch effect since I'd already 
> > > swapped video card, RAM and power supply.
> > >
> > > lopaka
> > >
> > > <
> > > https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&u
> > > tm _c ampaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon
> > > >
> > > Virus-free.
> > > www.avast.com
> > > <
> > > https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&u
> > > tm _c ampaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link
> > > >
> > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
> > >
> > > On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 1:45 PM Beave <619be...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Try chkdsk on the drive the recording is going to. Could be an 
> > > > issue
> > > there.
> > > >
> > > > Good luck,
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Oct 9, 2020,

Re: [H] Weird PC issue

[Lubomír Čabla]

I have the same issue with VLC player.

First time the delay is about 15 seconds, next run is without delay.

After checking in the task manager (Details) I found out the cause:

MsMpEngCP.exe and MsMpEng.exe

They perform full control of the running program but only the first time.

Maybe it will help you.

Lubomir Cabla

On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 3:22 PM Bobby Heid  wrote:

> Yes, it was good info.
>
> Latest update.  I swapped the 5TB HDD out for a new 6TB HDD.  No changes.
> I guess now I have lots more storage.  😊
>
> Could this issue be with one of the SSDs?  The Samsung Magician software
> says those are ok.
>
> Here is an odd thing that I noticed.  Sometimes, when using my video
> editing software (VideoReDo TVSuite V6), I noticed when I do something that
> causes the app to open up the standard open file dialog, there can be a
> delay of between 5 and 20 seconds before the dialog window opens.  Other
> times, it opens almost instantly.  This kind of led me to believe that it
> may have been the HDD causing my issues.  I would open a file from the HDD
> and set its output to the non-NVME SSD.
>
> Any other suggestions?
>
> Thanks,
> Bobby
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Hardware  On Behalf Of
> lopaka polena
> Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 5:05 PM
> To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
> Subject: Re: [H] Weird PC issue
>
> Those were good recommendations from Joshua, never seen that info before.
> The drive I pulled passed every test, but had long pauses during some of
> them. I basically swapped everything that could be swapped during testing
> except my m2 SSD's, and when I swapped the 4TB seagate drive all the
> problems went away. Hopefully you luck out and find the culprit too.
>
> lopaka
>
> On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 1:39 PM Bobby Heid  wrote:
>
> > Thanks Joshua.
> >
> > I ran all of those except for the performance monitoring one and all
> > said OK.  An interesting note - some of those tests do not show the
> > NVME SSD (Samsung 960 Pro SSD).
> >
> > I did buy a new 6TB HD to swap out for the 5TB one to see if that may
> help.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Hardware  On Behalf Of
> > Joshua MacCraw
> > Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2020 12:27 PM
> > To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
> > Subject: Re: [H] Weird PC issue
> >
> > SMART testing comes to mind as well as checking the log for disk
> > related events. Found this tip, didn't know win10 did this directly -
> >
> > https://www.windowscentral.com/how-check-if-hard-drive-failing-smart-w
> > indows-10
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 2:24 PM Bobby Heid  wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks.  Could be on to something there.  I will pursue looking at
> > > testing the drive.
> > >
> > > The locking up can happen whether it is recording or not.  I was
> > > trying to demonstrate that I did not think processes were executing
> > > while it appeared locked up.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Bobby
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Hardware  On Behalf
> > > Of lopaka polena
> > > Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 4:53 PM
> > > To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
> > > Subject: Re: [H] Weird PC issue
> > >
> > > Strangely enough my bad drive passed chkdsk multiple times without
> > > one fail, so pulling it was a last ditch effect since I'd already
> > > swapped video card, RAM and power supply.
> > >
> > > lopaka
> > >
> > > <
> > > https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm
> > > _c ampaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon
> > > >
> > > Virus-free.
> > > www.avast.com
> > > <
> > > https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm
> > > _c ampaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link
> > > >
> > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
> > >
> > > On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 1:45 PM Beave <619be...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Try chkdsk on the drive the recording is going to. Could be an
> > > > issue
> > > there.
> > > >
> > > > Good luck,
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Oct 9, 2020, 1:12 PM Bobby Heid  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I have had some issues going on with my pc for several months now.
> > > > >

Re: [H] Weird PC issue

[Bobby Heid]

Yes, it was good info.

Latest update.  I swapped the 5TB HDD out for a new 6TB HDD.  No changes.  I 
guess now I have lots more storage.  😊

Could this issue be with one of the SSDs?  The Samsung Magician software says 
those are ok.

Here is an odd thing that I noticed.  Sometimes, when using my video editing 
software (VideoReDo TVSuite V6), I noticed when I do something that causes the 
app to open up the standard open file dialog, there can be a delay of between 5 
and 20 seconds before the dialog window opens.  Other times, it opens almost 
instantly.  This kind of led me to believe that it may have been the HDD 
causing my issues.  I would open a file from the HDD and set its output to the 
non-NVME SSD.

Any other suggestions?

Thanks,
Bobby

-Original Message-
From: Hardware  On Behalf Of lopaka 
polena
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 5:05 PM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Weird PC issue

Those were good recommendations from Joshua, never seen that info before.
The drive I pulled passed every test, but had long pauses during some of them. 
I basically swapped everything that could be swapped during testing except my 
m2 SSD's, and when I swapped the 4TB seagate drive all the problems went away. 
Hopefully you luck out and find the culprit too.

lopaka

On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 1:39 PM Bobby Heid  wrote:

> Thanks Joshua.
>
> I ran all of those except for the performance monitoring one and all 
> said OK.  An interesting note - some of those tests do not show the 
> NVME SSD (Samsung 960 Pro SSD).
>
> I did buy a new 6TB HD to swap out for the 5TB one to see if that may help.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Hardware  On Behalf Of 
> Joshua MacCraw
> Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2020 12:27 PM
> To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
> Subject: Re: [H] Weird PC issue
>
> SMART testing comes to mind as well as checking the log for disk 
> related events. Found this tip, didn't know win10 did this directly -
>
> https://www.windowscentral.com/how-check-if-hard-drive-failing-smart-w
> indows-10
>
> On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 2:24 PM Bobby Heid  wrote:
>
> > Thanks.  Could be on to something there.  I will pursue looking at 
> > testing the drive.
> >
> > The locking up can happen whether it is recording or not.  I was 
> > trying to demonstrate that I did not think processes were executing 
> > while it appeared locked up.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Bobby
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Hardware  On Behalf 
> > Of lopaka polena
> > Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 4:53 PM
> > To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
> > Subject: Re: [H] Weird PC issue
> >
> > Strangely enough my bad drive passed chkdsk multiple times without 
> > one fail, so pulling it was a last ditch effect since I'd already 
> > swapped video card, RAM and power supply.
> >
> > lopaka
> >
> > <
> > https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm
> > _c ampaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon
> > >
> > Virus-free.
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> > <
> > https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm
> > _c ampaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link
> > >
> > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 1:45 PM Beave <619be...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Try chkdsk on the drive the recording is going to. Could be an 
> > > issue
> > there.
> > >
> > > Good luck,
> > >
> > > On Fri, Oct 9, 2020, 1:12 PM Bobby Heid  wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I have had some issues going on with my pc for several months now.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > There are two issues.
> > > >
> > > > 1.  Once every several weeks or so, I get a bluescreen -
> > > > IPI_WATCHDOG_TIMEOUT.  I can live with this one.  Things that I 
> > > > have
> > > tried
> > > > to fix this do not seem to have helped.
> > > > 2.  The big issue is that my PC keeps locking up.  This happens
> > from
> > > > 0-5
> > > > times per day.  I may go 3 days without it happening and then 
> > > > have it happen
> > > > 3 times in one day.  Here are some details:
> > > >
> > > > a.  When it locks up, the HD activity light is doing a very fast,
> > > > steady
> > > > flash.
> > > > b.  There is no warning when it wi

Re: [H] Weird PC issue

[lopaka polena]

Those were good recommendations from Joshua, never seen that info before.
The drive I pulled passed every test, but had long pauses during some of
them. I basically swapped everything that could be swapped during testing
except my m2 SSD's, and when I swapped the 4TB seagate drive all the
problems went away. Hopefully you luck out and find the culprit too.

lopaka

On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 1:39 PM Bobby Heid  wrote:

> Thanks Joshua.
>
> I ran all of those except for the performance monitoring one and all said
> OK.  An interesting note - some of those tests do not show the NVME SSD
> (Samsung 960 Pro SSD).
>
> I did buy a new 6TB HD to swap out for the 5TB one to see if that may help.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Hardware  On Behalf Of
> Joshua MacCraw
> Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2020 12:27 PM
> To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
> Subject: Re: [H] Weird PC issue
>
> SMART testing comes to mind as well as checking the log for disk related
> events. Found this tip, didn't know win10 did this directly -
>
> https://www.windowscentral.com/how-check-if-hard-drive-failing-smart-windows-10
>
> On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 2:24 PM Bobby Heid  wrote:
>
> > Thanks.  Could be on to something there.  I will pursue looking at
> > testing the drive.
> >
> > The locking up can happen whether it is recording or not.  I was
> > trying to demonstrate that I did not think processes were executing
> > while it appeared locked up.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Bobby
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Hardware  On Behalf Of
> > lopaka polena
> > Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 4:53 PM
> > To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
> > Subject: Re: [H] Weird PC issue
> >
> > Strangely enough my bad drive passed chkdsk multiple times without one
> > fail, so pulling it was a last ditch effect since I'd already swapped
> > video card, RAM and power supply.
> >
> > lopaka
> >
> > <
> > https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_c
> > ampaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon
> > >
> > Virus-free.
> > www.avast.com
> > <
> > https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_c
> > ampaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link
> > >
> > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 1:45 PM Beave <619be...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Try chkdsk on the drive the recording is going to. Could be an issue
> > there.
> > >
> > > Good luck,
> > >
> > > On Fri, Oct 9, 2020, 1:12 PM Bobby Heid  wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I have had some issues going on with my pc for several months now.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > There are two issues.
> > > >
> > > > 1.  Once every several weeks or so, I get a bluescreen -
> > > > IPI_WATCHDOG_TIMEOUT.  I can live with this one.  Things that I
> > > > have
> > > tried
> > > > to fix this do not seem to have helped.
> > > > 2.  The big issue is that my PC keeps locking up.  This happens
> > from
> > > > 0-5
> > > > times per day.  I may go 3 days without it happening and then have
> > > > it happen
> > > > 3 times in one day.  Here are some details:
> > > >
> > > > a.  When it locks up, the HD activity light is doing a very fast,
> > > > steady
> > > > flash.
> > > > b.  There is no warning when it will happen.
> > > > c.  It happens whether I am using the PC or not.
> > > > d.  Seems to happen more often overnight than during the day. But
> > not
> > > > always.
> > > > e.  When it locks up, I can still move the mouse cursor and move
> > > > windows.  I cannot close a window or start another program.
> > > > f.  When it locks up when not using PC, sometimes the login
> screen
> > > > image
> > > > will show, sometimes not.
> > > > g.  CTL-Alt-Delete does nothing when locked.
> > > > h.  PC stays up 24/7.  No sleep or hibernation.
> > > > i.  When it locks up, if the system is recording a show (from a
> > > > networked TV Tuner), the recording stops, so I assume that most
> > > > apps are not still running when it locks up.
> > > > j.  If a r

Re: [H] Weird PC issue

[Bobby Heid]

Thanks Joshua.

I ran all of those except for the performance monitoring one and all said OK.  
An interesting note - some of those tests do not show the NVME SSD (Samsung 960 
Pro SSD).

I did buy a new 6TB HD to swap out for the 5TB one to see if that may help.

-Original Message-
From: Hardware  On Behalf Of Joshua 
MacCraw
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2020 12:27 PM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Weird PC issue

SMART testing comes to mind as well as checking the log for disk related 
events. Found this tip, didn't know win10 did this directly -
https://www.windowscentral.com/how-check-if-hard-drive-failing-smart-windows-10

On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 2:24 PM Bobby Heid  wrote:

> Thanks.  Could be on to something there.  I will pursue looking at 
> testing the drive.
>
> The locking up can happen whether it is recording or not.  I was 
> trying to demonstrate that I did not think processes were executing 
> while it appeared locked up.
>
> Thanks,
> Bobby
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Hardware  On Behalf Of 
> lopaka polena
> Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 4:53 PM
> To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
> Subject: Re: [H] Weird PC issue
>
> Strangely enough my bad drive passed chkdsk multiple times without one 
> fail, so pulling it was a last ditch effect since I'd already swapped 
> video card, RAM and power supply.
>
> lopaka
>
> <
> https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_c
> ampaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon
> >
> Virus-free.
> www.avast.com
> <
> https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_c
> ampaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link
> >
> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
>
> On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 1:45 PM Beave <619be...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Try chkdsk on the drive the recording is going to. Could be an issue
> there.
> >
> > Good luck,
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 9, 2020, 1:12 PM Bobby Heid  wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I have had some issues going on with my pc for several months now.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > There are two issues.
> > >
> > > 1.  Once every several weeks or so, I get a bluescreen -
> > > IPI_WATCHDOG_TIMEOUT.  I can live with this one.  Things that I 
> > > have
> > tried
> > > to fix this do not seem to have helped.
> > > 2.  The big issue is that my PC keeps locking up.  This happens
> from
> > > 0-5
> > > times per day.  I may go 3 days without it happening and then have 
> > > it happen
> > > 3 times in one day.  Here are some details:
> > >
> > > a.  When it locks up, the HD activity light is doing a very fast,
> > > steady
> > > flash.
> > > b.  There is no warning when it will happen.
> > > c.  It happens whether I am using the PC or not.
> > > d.  Seems to happen more often overnight than during the day. But
> not
> > > always.
> > > e.  When it locks up, I can still move the mouse cursor and move
> > > windows.  I cannot close a window or start another program.
> > > f.  When it locks up when not using PC, sometimes the login screen
> > > image
> > > will show, sometimes not.
> > > g.  CTL-Alt-Delete does nothing when locked.
> > > h.  PC stays up 24/7.  No sleep or hibernation.
> > > i.  When it locks up, if the system is recording a show (from a
> > > networked TV Tuner), the recording stops, so I assume that most 
> > > apps are not still running when it locks up.
> > > j.  If a recording was scheduled while it is locked up, nothing is
> > > created.
> > > k.  To reset, I have to press and hold the power button until the
> > > system
> > > turns off.
> > > l.  Through trial and error, it seems that turning off letting the
> > > monitors going to sleep seems to have lessened the frequency of 
> > > the lock ups.  I am not sure if this was not just a coincidence.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Here are my system specs:
> > >
> > > *   Asus X99 Deluxe-II MB
> > > *   Intel i7-6850k CPU (not overclocked)
> > > *   Asus GeForce GTX 1070
> > > *   Corsair water cooler
> > > *   Corsair 32GB RAM
> > > *   Samsung 960 Pro SSD (512GB) - OS
> > > *   Samsung 860 EVO SSD 1TB
> > > *   WD 5TB Black
> > > *   Pioneer Blu Ray drive
> > > *   Dual monitors
> > > *   Corsair HX-850 PSU
> > > *   Corsair K70 LUX keyboard
> > > *   Logitech MX Master mouse
> > > *   Windows 10 Pro - 2004 - 19041.508
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I am not too keen on a nuke and install.  It would take me forever 
> > > to get everything back the way it was.  But I am not ruling that out.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Anyone have any ideas?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Bobby
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>

Re: [H] Weird PC issue

[Joshua MacCraw]

SMART testing comes to mind as well as checking the log for disk related
events. Found this tip, didn't know win10 did this directly -
https://www.windowscentral.com/how-check-if-hard-drive-failing-smart-windows-10

On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 2:24 PM Bobby Heid  wrote:

> Thanks.  Could be on to something there.  I will pursue looking at testing
> the drive.
>
> The locking up can happen whether it is recording or not.  I was trying to
> demonstrate that I did not think processes were executing while it appeared
> locked up.
>
> Thanks,
> Bobby
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Hardware  On Behalf Of
> lopaka polena
> Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 4:53 PM
> To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
> Subject: Re: [H] Weird PC issue
>
> Strangely enough my bad drive passed chkdsk multiple times without one
> fail, so pulling it was a last ditch effect since I'd already swapped video
> card, RAM and power supply.
>
> lopaka
>
> <
> https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon
> >
> Virus-free.
> www.avast.com
> <
> https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link
> >
> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
>
> On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 1:45 PM Beave <619be...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Try chkdsk on the drive the recording is going to. Could be an issue
> there.
> >
> > Good luck,
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 9, 2020, 1:12 PM Bobby Heid  wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I have had some issues going on with my pc for several months now.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > There are two issues.
> > >
> > > 1.  Once every several weeks or so, I get a bluescreen -
> > > IPI_WATCHDOG_TIMEOUT.  I can live with this one.  Things that I have
> > tried
> > > to fix this do not seem to have helped.
> > > 2.  The big issue is that my PC keeps locking up.  This happens
> from
> > > 0-5
> > > times per day.  I may go 3 days without it happening and then have
> > > it happen
> > > 3 times in one day.  Here are some details:
> > >
> > > a.  When it locks up, the HD activity light is doing a very fast,
> > > steady
> > > flash.
> > > b.  There is no warning when it will happen.
> > > c.  It happens whether I am using the PC or not.
> > > d.  Seems to happen more often overnight than during the day. But
> not
> > > always.
> > > e.  When it locks up, I can still move the mouse cursor and move
> > > windows.  I cannot close a window or start another program.
> > > f.  When it locks up when not using PC, sometimes the login screen
> > > image
> > > will show, sometimes not.
> > > g.  CTL-Alt-Delete does nothing when locked.
> > > h.  PC stays up 24/7.  No sleep or hibernation.
> > > i.  When it locks up, if the system is recording a show (from a
> > > networked TV Tuner), the recording stops, so I assume that most apps
> > > are not still running when it locks up.
> > > j.  If a recording was scheduled while it is locked up, nothing is
> > > created.
> > > k.  To reset, I have to press and hold the power button until the
> > > system
> > > turns off.
> > > l.  Through trial and error, it seems that turning off letting the
> > > monitors going to sleep seems to have lessened the frequency of the
> > > lock ups.  I am not sure if this was not just a coincidence.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Here are my system specs:
> > >
> > > *   Asus X99 Deluxe-II MB
> > > *   Intel i7-6850k CPU (not overclocked)
> > > *   Asus GeForce GTX 1070
> > > *   Corsair water cooler
> > > *   Corsair 32GB RAM
> > > *   Samsung 960 Pro SSD (512GB) - OS
> > > *   Samsung 860 EVO SSD 1TB
> > > *   WD 5TB Black
> > > *   Pioneer Blu Ray drive
> > > *   Dual monitors
> > > *   Corsair HX-850 PSU
> > > *   Corsair K70 LUX keyboard
> > > *   Logitech MX Master mouse
> > > *   Windows 10 Pro - 2004 - 19041.508
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I am not too keen on a nuke and install.  It would take me forever
> > > to get everything back the way it was.  But I am not ruling that out.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Anyone have any ideas?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Bobby
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>

Re: [H] Weird PC issue

[Bobby Heid]

Thanks.  Could be on to something there.  I will pursue looking at testing the 
drive.

The locking up can happen whether it is recording or not.  I was trying to 
demonstrate that I did not think processes were executing while it appeared 
locked up.

Thanks,
Bobby

-Original Message-
From: Hardware  On Behalf Of lopaka 
polena
Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 4:53 PM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Weird PC issue

Strangely enough my bad drive passed chkdsk multiple times without one fail, so 
pulling it was a last ditch effect since I'd already swapped video card, RAM 
and power supply.

lopaka

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On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 1:45 PM Beave <619be...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Try chkdsk on the drive the recording is going to. Could be an issue there.
>
> Good luck,
>
> On Fri, Oct 9, 2020, 1:12 PM Bobby Heid  wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> >
> >
> > I have had some issues going on with my pc for several months now.
> >
> >
> >
> > There are two issues.
> >
> > 1.  Once every several weeks or so, I get a bluescreen -
> > IPI_WATCHDOG_TIMEOUT.  I can live with this one.  Things that I have
> tried
> > to fix this do not seem to have helped.
> > 2.  The big issue is that my PC keeps locking up.  This happens from
> > 0-5
> > times per day.  I may go 3 days without it happening and then have 
> > it happen
> > 3 times in one day.  Here are some details:
> >
> > a.  When it locks up, the HD activity light is doing a very fast,
> > steady
> > flash.
> > b.  There is no warning when it will happen.
> > c.  It happens whether I am using the PC or not.
> > d.  Seems to happen more often overnight than during the day. But not
> > always.
> > e.  When it locks up, I can still move the mouse cursor and move
> > windows.  I cannot close a window or start another program.
> > f.  When it locks up when not using PC, sometimes the login screen
> > image
> > will show, sometimes not.
> > g.  CTL-Alt-Delete does nothing when locked.
> > h.  PC stays up 24/7.  No sleep or hibernation.
> > i.  When it locks up, if the system is recording a show (from a
> > networked TV Tuner), the recording stops, so I assume that most apps 
> > are not still running when it locks up.
> > j.  If a recording was scheduled while it is locked up, nothing is
> > created.
> > k.  To reset, I have to press and hold the power button until the
> > system
> > turns off.
> > l.  Through trial and error, it seems that turning off letting the
> > monitors going to sleep seems to have lessened the frequency of the 
> > lock ups.  I am not sure if this was not just a coincidence.
> >
> >
> >
> > Here are my system specs:
> >
> > *   Asus X99 Deluxe-II MB
> > *   Intel i7-6850k CPU (not overclocked)
> > *   Asus GeForce GTX 1070
> > *   Corsair water cooler
> > *   Corsair 32GB RAM
> > *   Samsung 960 Pro SSD (512GB) - OS
> > *   Samsung 860 EVO SSD 1TB
> > *   WD 5TB Black
> > *   Pioneer Blu Ray drive
> > *   Dual monitors
> > *   Corsair HX-850 PSU
> > *   Corsair K70 LUX keyboard
> > *   Logitech MX Master mouse
> > *   Windows 10 Pro - 2004 - 19041.508
> >
> >
> >
> > I am not too keen on a nuke and install.  It would take me forever 
> > to get everything back the way it was.  But I am not ruling that out.
> >
> >
> >
> > Anyone have any ideas?
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Bobby
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

Re: [H] Weird PC issue

[Bobby Heid]

Thanks.  Ran ChkDsk and it found nothing wrong.  I even ran the WD quick tests 
and it said it was ok.

-Original Message-
From: Hardware  On Behalf Of Beave
Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 4:45 PM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Weird PC issue

Try chkdsk on the drive the recording is going to. Could be an issue there.

Good luck,

On Fri, Oct 9, 2020, 1:12 PM Bobby Heid  wrote:

> Hi,
>
>
>
> I have had some issues going on with my pc for several months now.
>
>
>
> There are two issues.
>
> 1.  Once every several weeks or so, I get a bluescreen -
> IPI_WATCHDOG_TIMEOUT.  I can live with this one.  Things that I have 
> tried to fix this do not seem to have helped.
> 2.  The big issue is that my PC keeps locking up.  This happens from
> 0-5
> times per day.  I may go 3 days without it happening and then have it 
> happen
> 3 times in one day.  Here are some details:
>
> a.  When it locks up, the HD activity light is doing a very fast,
> steady
> flash.
> b.  There is no warning when it will happen.
> c.  It happens whether I am using the PC or not.
> d.  Seems to happen more often overnight than during the day. But not
> always.
> e.  When it locks up, I can still move the mouse cursor and move
> windows.  I cannot close a window or start another program.
> f.  When it locks up when not using PC, sometimes the login screen
> image
> will show, sometimes not.
> g.  CTL-Alt-Delete does nothing when locked.
> h.  PC stays up 24/7.  No sleep or hibernation.
> i.  When it locks up, if the system is recording a show (from a
> networked TV Tuner), the recording stops, so I assume that most apps 
> are not still running when it locks up.
> j.  If a recording was scheduled while it is locked up, nothing is
> created.
> k.  To reset, I have to press and hold the power button until the
> system
> turns off.
> l.  Through trial and error, it seems that turning off letting the
> monitors going to sleep seems to have lessened the frequency of the 
> lock ups.  I am not sure if this was not just a coincidence.
>
>
>
> Here are my system specs:
>
> *   Asus X99 Deluxe-II MB
> *   Intel i7-6850k CPU (not overclocked)
> *   Asus GeForce GTX 1070
> *   Corsair water cooler
> *   Corsair 32GB RAM
> *   Samsung 960 Pro SSD (512GB) - OS
> *   Samsung 860 EVO SSD 1TB
> *   WD 5TB Black
> *   Pioneer Blu Ray drive
> *   Dual monitors
> *   Corsair HX-850 PSU
> *   Corsair K70 LUX keyboard
> *   Logitech MX Master mouse
> *   Windows 10 Pro - 2004 - 19041.508
>
>
>
> I am not too keen on a nuke and install.  It would take me forever to 
> get everything back the way it was.  But I am not ruling that out.
>
>
>
> Anyone have any ideas?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bobby
>
>
>
>

Re: [H] Weird PC issue

[lopaka polena]

Strangely enough my bad drive passed chkdsk multiple times without one
fail, so pulling it was a last ditch effect since I'd already swapped video
card, RAM and power supply.

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On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 1:45 PM Beave <619be...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Try chkdsk on the drive the recording is going to. Could be an issue there.
>
> Good luck,
>
> On Fri, Oct 9, 2020, 1:12 PM Bobby Heid  wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> >
> >
> > I have had some issues going on with my pc for several months now.
> >
> >
> >
> > There are two issues.
> >
> > 1.  Once every several weeks or so, I get a bluescreen -
> > IPI_WATCHDOG_TIMEOUT.  I can live with this one.  Things that I have
> tried
> > to fix this do not seem to have helped.
> > 2.  The big issue is that my PC keeps locking up.  This happens from
> > 0-5
> > times per day.  I may go 3 days without it happening and then have it
> > happen
> > 3 times in one day.  Here are some details:
> >
> > a.  When it locks up, the HD activity light is doing a very fast,
> > steady
> > flash.
> > b.  There is no warning when it will happen.
> > c.  It happens whether I am using the PC or not.
> > d.  Seems to happen more often overnight than during the day. But not
> > always.
> > e.  When it locks up, I can still move the mouse cursor and move
> > windows.  I cannot close a window or start another program.
> > f.  When it locks up when not using PC, sometimes the login screen
> > image
> > will show, sometimes not.
> > g.  CTL-Alt-Delete does nothing when locked.
> > h.  PC stays up 24/7.  No sleep or hibernation.
> > i.  When it locks up, if the system is recording a show (from a
> > networked TV Tuner), the recording stops, so I assume that most apps are
> > not
> > still running when it locks up.
> > j.  If a recording was scheduled while it is locked up, nothing is
> > created.
> > k.  To reset, I have to press and hold the power button until the
> > system
> > turns off.
> > l.  Through trial and error, it seems that turning off letting the
> > monitors going to sleep seems to have lessened the frequency of the lock
> > ups.  I am not sure if this was not just a coincidence.
> >
> >
> >
> > Here are my system specs:
> >
> > *   Asus X99 Deluxe-II MB
> > *   Intel i7-6850k CPU (not overclocked)
> > *   Asus GeForce GTX 1070
> > *   Corsair water cooler
> > *   Corsair 32GB RAM
> > *   Samsung 960 Pro SSD (512GB) - OS
> > *   Samsung 860 EVO SSD 1TB
> > *   WD 5TB Black
> > *   Pioneer Blu Ray drive
> > *   Dual monitors
> > *   Corsair HX-850 PSU
> > *   Corsair K70 LUX keyboard
> > *   Logitech MX Master mouse
> > *   Windows 10 Pro - 2004 - 19041.508
> >
> >
> >
> > I am not too keen on a nuke and install.  It would take me forever to get
> > everything back the way it was.  But I am not ruling that out.
> >
> >
> >
> > Anyone have any ideas?
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Bobby
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

Re: [H] Weird PC issue

[Beave]

Try chkdsk on the drive the recording is going to. Could be an issue there.

Good luck,

On Fri, Oct 9, 2020, 1:12 PM Bobby Heid  wrote:

> Hi,
>
>
>
> I have had some issues going on with my pc for several months now.
>
>
>
> There are two issues.
>
> 1.  Once every several weeks or so, I get a bluescreen -
> IPI_WATCHDOG_TIMEOUT.  I can live with this one.  Things that I have tried
> to fix this do not seem to have helped.
> 2.  The big issue is that my PC keeps locking up.  This happens from
> 0-5
> times per day.  I may go 3 days without it happening and then have it
> happen
> 3 times in one day.  Here are some details:
>
> a.  When it locks up, the HD activity light is doing a very fast,
> steady
> flash.
> b.  There is no warning when it will happen.
> c.  It happens whether I am using the PC or not.
> d.  Seems to happen more often overnight than during the day. But not
> always.
> e.  When it locks up, I can still move the mouse cursor and move
> windows.  I cannot close a window or start another program.
> f.  When it locks up when not using PC, sometimes the login screen
> image
> will show, sometimes not.
> g.  CTL-Alt-Delete does nothing when locked.
> h.  PC stays up 24/7.  No sleep or hibernation.
> i.  When it locks up, if the system is recording a show (from a
> networked TV Tuner), the recording stops, so I assume that most apps are
> not
> still running when it locks up.
> j.  If a recording was scheduled while it is locked up, nothing is
> created.
> k.  To reset, I have to press and hold the power button until the
> system
> turns off.
> l.  Through trial and error, it seems that turning off letting the
> monitors going to sleep seems to have lessened the frequency of the lock
> ups.  I am not sure if this was not just a coincidence.
>
>
>
> Here are my system specs:
>
> *   Asus X99 Deluxe-II MB
> *   Intel i7-6850k CPU (not overclocked)
> *   Asus GeForce GTX 1070
> *   Corsair water cooler
> *   Corsair 32GB RAM
> *   Samsung 960 Pro SSD (512GB) - OS
> *   Samsung 860 EVO SSD 1TB
> *   WD 5TB Black
> *   Pioneer Blu Ray drive
> *   Dual monitors
> *   Corsair HX-850 PSU
> *   Corsair K70 LUX keyboard
> *   Logitech MX Master mouse
> *   Windows 10 Pro - 2004 - 19041.508
>
>
>
> I am not too keen on a nuke and install.  It would take me forever to get
> everything back the way it was.  But I am not ruling that out.
>
>
>
> Anyone have any ideas?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bobby
>
>
>
>

Re: [H] Weird PC issue

[lopaka polena]

I was getting that same error a while back. It was happening for about a
month every day or two, and sometimes all through the day I'd have hard
lockups. I stress tested the hardware and everything passed but I would
notice long pauses at times that seemed to be related to accessing an older
HDD. Turned out it was a failing seagate HDD, although that drive passed
every test I ran on it. For the hell of it I copied all the data from the
drive that seemed to be pausing too often, to another 4TB HDD and pulled
the original HDD and haven't had a problem since. It seemed weird because
the error is generic and doesn't point to any specific hardware issue.

lopaka


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On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 1:12 PM Bobby Heid  wrote:

> Hi,
>
>
>
> I have had some issues going on with my pc for several months now.
>
>
>
> There are two issues.
>
> 1.  Once every several weeks or so, I get a bluescreen -
> IPI_WATCHDOG_TIMEOUT.  I can live with this one.  Things that I have tried
> to fix this do not seem to have helped.
> 2.  The big issue is that my PC keeps locking up.  This happens from
> 0-5
> times per day.  I may go 3 days without it happening and then have it
> happen
> 3 times in one day.  Here are some details:
>
> a.  When it locks up, the HD activity light is doing a very fast,
> steady
> flash.
> b.  There is no warning when it will happen.
> c.  It happens whether I am using the PC or not.
> d.  Seems to happen more often overnight than during the day. But not
> always.
> e.  When it locks up, I can still move the mouse cursor and move
> windows.  I cannot close a window or start another program.
> f.  When it locks up when not using PC, sometimes the login screen
> image
> will show, sometimes not.
> g.  CTL-Alt-Delete does nothing when locked.
> h.  PC stays up 24/7.  No sleep or hibernation.
> i.  When it locks up, if the system is recording a show (from a
> networked TV Tuner), the recording stops, so I assume that most apps are
> not
> still running when it locks up.
> j.  If a recording was scheduled while it is locked up, nothing is
> created.
> k.  To reset, I have to press and hold the power button until the
> system
> turns off.
> l.  Through trial and error, it seems that turning off letting the
> monitors going to sleep seems to have lessened the frequency of the lock
> ups.  I am not sure if this was not just a coincidence.
>
>
>
> Here are my system specs:
>
> *   Asus X99 Deluxe-II MB
> *   Intel i7-6850k CPU (not overclocked)
> *   Asus GeForce GTX 1070
> *   Corsair water cooler
> *   Corsair 32GB RAM
> *   Samsung 960 Pro SSD (512GB) - OS
> *   Samsung 860 EVO SSD 1TB
> *   WD 5TB Black
> *   Pioneer Blu Ray drive
> *   Dual monitors
> *   Corsair HX-850 PSU
> *   Corsair K70 LUX keyboard
> *   Logitech MX Master mouse
> *   Windows 10 Pro - 2004 - 19041.508
>
>
>
> I am not too keen on a nuke and install.  It would take me forever to get
> everything back the way it was.  But I am not ruling that out.
>
>
>
> Anyone have any ideas?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bobby
>
>
>
>

[H] Weird PC issue

[Bobby Heid]

Hi,

 

I have had some issues going on with my pc for several months now.  

 

There are two issues. 

1.  Once every several weeks or so, I get a bluescreen -
IPI_WATCHDOG_TIMEOUT.  I can live with this one.  Things that I have tried
to fix this do not seem to have helped.
2.  The big issue is that my PC keeps locking up.  This happens from 0-5
times per day.  I may go 3 days without it happening and then have it happen
3 times in one day.  Here are some details:

a.  When it locks up, the HD activity light is doing a very fast, steady
flash.  
b.  There is no warning when it will happen.
c.  It happens whether I am using the PC or not.
d.  Seems to happen more often overnight than during the day. But not
always.
e.  When it locks up, I can still move the mouse cursor and move
windows.  I cannot close a window or start another program.
f.  When it locks up when not using PC, sometimes the login screen image
will show, sometimes not.
g.  CTL-Alt-Delete does nothing when locked.
h.  PC stays up 24/7.  No sleep or hibernation.
i.  When it locks up, if the system is recording a show (from a
networked TV Tuner), the recording stops, so I assume that most apps are not
still running when it locks up.  
j.  If a recording was scheduled while it is locked up, nothing is
created.
k.  To reset, I have to press and hold the power button until the system
turns off.
l.  Through trial and error, it seems that turning off letting the
monitors going to sleep seems to have lessened the frequency of the lock
ups.  I am not sure if this was not just a coincidence.

 

Here are my system specs:

*   Asus X99 Deluxe-II MB
*   Intel i7-6850k CPU (not overclocked)
*   Asus GeForce GTX 1070
*   Corsair water cooler
*   Corsair 32GB RAM
*   Samsung 960 Pro SSD (512GB) - OS
*   Samsung 860 EVO SSD 1TB
*   WD 5TB Black 
*   Pioneer Blu Ray drive
*   Dual monitors
*   Corsair HX-850 PSU
*   Corsair K70 LUX keyboard
*   Logitech MX Master mouse
*   Windows 10 Pro - 2004 - 19041.508

 

I am not too keen on a nuke and install.  It would take me forever to get
everything back the way it was.  But I am not ruling that out.

 

Anyone have any ideas?

 

Thanks,

Bobby

 

Re: [H] Weird sticky/not working keys on MSI laptop

[Christopher Fisk]

Have them fix that, that's defective.

On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 2:19 PM Bino Gopal  wrote:

> Yeah just as an update to this I did a lot more googling and it seemed
> like some people were hoping it was some software issue (as I was too
> really)-but I realized that if I plugged in an external KB that would show
> if it was software or not-and lo and behold an external KB didn't have any
> problems!
>
> So looks like it was def some sort of HW issue-the one I saw mentioned
> most was that the KB ribbon cable gets worn/bent b/c of how tight it's in
> there and the way it's bent and thus it eventually starts having issues and
> just needs to be replaced...and I've had it almost 3 years now so I guess
> it's about time...
>
> So I was going to just replace the cable but then they're like we have to
> open the whole thing up so in case there's any issue with the KB do you
> really want to chance it so I decided to just have them replace the KB
> too...
>
> BUT in my model it turns out that you can't just replace the KB itself-it
> doesn't exist on its own as it's attached to the top cover/part of it so
> the whole thing has to replaced!  So I went in to the local repair center
> and they replaced the whole top cover and KB as one piece for $90 and the
> keys work fine...
>
> BUT now the key travel and some of the key don't feel quite right-and a
> couple of the keys keep popping off and I have to keep popping them back
> on, and some others are sticking so it seems like this replacement KB is
> not as good, so...yeah... 😝
>
> Thanks for your input/help tho Lopaka!  Much appreciated!
>
> BINO
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Hardware  On Behalf Of
> lopaka polena
> Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 11:19 AM
> To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
> Subject: Re: [H] Weird sticky/not working keys on MSI laptop
>
> Some laptops are really easy to replace the keyboard. Look it up on
> youtube and check it out. I put a new one in a Dell laptop a while back and
> it only took about 10-15 mins. Some are not easy though
>
> lopaka
>
> On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 10:34 AM Bino Gopal  wrote:
>
> > So I thought it might be this and turned it all off (anything with any
> > toggle under Settings, Interaction, Keyboard).
> >
> > Still no dice.  None of the keys listed below (backspace, semicolon
> > comma and right arrow and number pad slash) don't all work-well I
> > apparently got it to type one comma as you can see after the backspace
> > earlier in this sentence but not after that...
> >
> > Any further ideas...?!  This is driving me crazy!  It's still a fine
> > laptop except for this one minor but super annoying issue...!  Thanks
> man.
> >
> > BINO
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Hardware  On Behalf Of
> > lopaka polena
> > Sent: Thursday, January 2, 2020 1:12 PM
> > To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
> > Subject: Re: [H] Weird sticky/not working keys on MSI laptop
> >
> > Did you disable sticky keys and filter keys settings ? I had a box
> > that did this all the time and that is what was causing it.
> >
> > lopaka
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 12:49 PM Bino Gopal 
> wrote:
> >
> > > Hey guys, this has been going on for a while now and I'm at a loss...
> > >
> > > Certain keys on my keyboard have stopped working properly...but it's
> > > not as if the physical key itself is not working b/c I can get the
> > > character to type fine if I use the SHIFT key on it for most of them
> > > (that have that option).
> > >
> > > For example, my backspace key def stopped working right so I have to
> > > use delete.  If I slam it hard a bunch of times sometimes it
> > > registers but most of the time it doesn't.
> > >
> > > But the semicolon key stopped working, but as soon as I hit SHIFT I
> > > can get a colon to type pretty easily.  But never a semicolon (on
> > > occasion it's hard to get the colon to type too, but it eventually
> > > works-but the semicolon never does...)
> > >
> > > The comma never works, but the lesser than sign works fine with SHIFT.
> > >
> > > Oh and the right arrow key stopped working which is super
> > > annoying...the slash on the number pad doesn't work...ok this is
> > > weird-it does work if I hold down SHIFT...so strange...!!  Ok I just
> > > figur

Re: [H] Weird sticky/not working keys on MSI laptop

[Bino Gopal]

Yeah just as an update to this I did a lot more googling and it seemed like 
some people were hoping it was some software issue (as I was too really)-but I 
realized that if I plugged in an external KB that would show if it was software 
or not-and lo and behold an external KB didn't have any problems!

So looks like it was def some sort of HW issue-the one I saw mentioned most was 
that the KB ribbon cable gets worn/bent b/c of how tight it's in there and the 
way it's bent and thus it eventually starts having issues and just needs to be 
replaced...and I've had it almost 3 years now so I guess it's about time...

So I was going to just replace the cable but then they're like we have to open 
the whole thing up so in case there's any issue with the KB do you really want 
to chance it so I decided to just have them replace the KB too...

BUT in my model it turns out that you can't just replace the KB itself-it 
doesn't exist on its own as it's attached to the top cover/part of it so the 
whole thing has to replaced!  So I went in to the local repair center and they 
replaced the whole top cover and KB as one piece for $90 and the keys work 
fine...

BUT now the key travel and some of the key don't feel quite right-and a couple 
of the keys keep popping off and I have to keep popping them back on, and some 
others are sticking so it seems like this replacement KB is not as good, 
so...yeah... 😝

Thanks for your input/help tho Lopaka!  Much appreciated!

BINO


-Original Message-
From: Hardware  On Behalf Of lopaka 
polena
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 11:19 AM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Weird sticky/not working keys on MSI laptop

Some laptops are really easy to replace the keyboard. Look it up on youtube and 
check it out. I put a new one in a Dell laptop a while back and it only took 
about 10-15 mins. Some are not easy though

lopaka

On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 10:34 AM Bino Gopal  wrote:

> So I thought it might be this and turned it all off (anything with any 
> toggle under Settings, Interaction, Keyboard).
>
> Still no dice.  None of the keys listed below (backspace, semicolon 
> comma and right arrow and number pad slash) don't all work-well I 
> apparently got it to type one comma as you can see after the backspace 
> earlier in this sentence but not after that...
>
> Any further ideas...?!  This is driving me crazy!  It's still a fine 
> laptop except for this one minor but super annoying issue...!  Thanks man.
>
> BINO
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Hardware  On Behalf Of 
> lopaka polena
> Sent: Thursday, January 2, 2020 1:12 PM
> To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
> Subject: Re: [H] Weird sticky/not working keys on MSI laptop
>
> Did you disable sticky keys and filter keys settings ? I had a box 
> that did this all the time and that is what was causing it.
>
> lopaka
>
> On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 12:49 PM Bino Gopal  wrote:
>
> > Hey guys, this has been going on for a while now and I'm at a loss...
> >
> > Certain keys on my keyboard have stopped working properly...but it's 
> > not as if the physical key itself is not working b/c I can get the 
> > character to type fine if I use the SHIFT key on it for most of them 
> > (that have that option).
> >
> > For example, my backspace key def stopped working right so I have to 
> > use delete.  If I slam it hard a bunch of times sometimes it 
> > registers but most of the time it doesn't.
> >
> > But the semicolon key stopped working, but as soon as I hit SHIFT I 
> > can get a colon to type pretty easily.  But never a semicolon (on 
> > occasion it's hard to get the colon to type too, but it eventually 
> > works-but the semicolon never does...)
> >
> > The comma never works, but the lesser than sign works fine with SHIFT.
> >
> > Oh and the right arrow key stopped working which is super 
> > annoying...the slash on the number pad doesn't work...ok this is 
> > weird-it does work if I hold down SHIFT...so strange...!!  Ok I just 
> > figured out that I can get backspace to work if I hold down the 
> > SHIFT key!  The right arrow key also starts working that way, but it 
> > does select text when used with SHIFT, which is what it's supposed 
> > to do in that case-but I mean it moves the cursor right while doing 
> > so, which I can't get it to do otherwise!  Oh though holding down 
> > CTRL and right arrow does advance it by each word (which is also how 
> > that's supposed to work...)
> >
> > So the key is physically working but not being registered by the 
> > system...it's an MSI GS73VR 7RF Stealth Pro from 2017 fully loaded 
> > running the latest Win10 updates...
> >
> >
> > So this seems like some sort of driver/OS/software issue right?  Any 
> > ideas?  Googling didn't uncover anything...any help desperately 
> > appreciated guys!
> >
> >
> >   BINO
> >
> >
>

Re: [H] Weird sticky/not working keys on MSI laptop

[lopaka polena]

Some laptops are really easy to replace the keyboard. Look it up on youtube
and check it out. I put a new one in a Dell laptop a while back and it only
took about 10-15 mins. Some are not easy though

lopaka

On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 10:34 AM Bino Gopal  wrote:

> So I thought it might be this and turned it all off (anything with any
> toggle under Settings, Interaction, Keyboard).
>
> Still no dice.  None of the keys listed below (backspace, semicolon comma
> and right arrow and number pad slash) don't all work-well I apparently got
> it to type one comma as you can see after the backspace earlier in this
> sentence but not after that...
>
> Any further ideas...?!  This is driving me crazy!  It's still a fine
> laptop except for this one minor but super annoying issue...!  Thanks man.
>
> BINO
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Hardware  On Behalf Of
> lopaka polena
> Sent: Thursday, January 2, 2020 1:12 PM
> To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
> Subject: Re: [H] Weird sticky/not working keys on MSI laptop
>
> Did you disable sticky keys and filter keys settings ? I had a box that
> did this all the time and that is what was causing it.
>
> lopaka
>
> On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 12:49 PM Bino Gopal  wrote:
>
> > Hey guys, this has been going on for a while now and I'm at a loss...
> >
> > Certain keys on my keyboard have stopped working properly...but it's
> > not as if the physical key itself is not working b/c I can get the
> > character to type fine if I use the SHIFT key on it for most of them
> > (that have that option).
> >
> > For example, my backspace key def stopped working right so I have to
> > use delete.  If I slam it hard a bunch of times sometimes it registers
> > but most of the time it doesn't.
> >
> > But the semicolon key stopped working, but as soon as I hit SHIFT I
> > can get a colon to type pretty easily.  But never a semicolon (on
> > occasion it's hard to get the colon to type too, but it eventually
> > works-but the semicolon never does...)
> >
> > The comma never works, but the lesser than sign works fine with SHIFT.
> >
> > Oh and the right arrow key stopped working which is super
> > annoying...the slash on the number pad doesn't work...ok this is
> > weird-it does work if I hold down SHIFT...so strange...!!  Ok I just
> > figured out that I can get backspace to work if I hold down the SHIFT
> > key!  The right arrow key also starts working that way, but it does
> > select text when used with SHIFT, which is what it's supposed to do in
> > that case-but I mean it moves the cursor right while doing so, which I
> > can't get it to do otherwise!  Oh though holding down CTRL and right
> > arrow does advance it by each word (which is also how that's supposed
> > to work...)
> >
> > So the key is physically working but not being registered by the
> > system...it's an MSI GS73VR 7RF Stealth Pro from 2017 fully loaded
> > running the latest Win10 updates...
> >
> >
> > So this seems like some sort of driver/OS/software issue right?  Any
> > ideas?  Googling didn't uncover anything...any help desperately
> > appreciated guys!
> >
> >
> >   BINO
> >
> >
>

Re: [H] Weird sticky/not working keys on MSI laptop

[Bino Gopal]

So I thought it might be this and turned it all off (anything with any toggle 
under Settings, Interaction, Keyboard).  

Still no dice.  None of the keys listed below (backspace, semicolon comma and 
right arrow and number pad slash) don't all work-well I apparently got it to 
type one comma as you can see after the backspace earlier in this sentence but 
not after that... 

Any further ideas...?!  This is driving me crazy!  It's still a fine laptop 
except for this one minor but super annoying issue...!  Thanks man.

BINO


-Original Message-
From: Hardware  On Behalf Of lopaka 
polena
Sent: Thursday, January 2, 2020 1:12 PM
To: hardw...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Weird sticky/not working keys on MSI laptop

Did you disable sticky keys and filter keys settings ? I had a box that did 
this all the time and that is what was causing it.

lopaka

On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 12:49 PM Bino Gopal  wrote:

> Hey guys, this has been going on for a while now and I'm at a loss...
>
> Certain keys on my keyboard have stopped working properly...but it's 
> not as if the physical key itself is not working b/c I can get the 
> character to type fine if I use the SHIFT key on it for most of them 
> (that have that option).
>
> For example, my backspace key def stopped working right so I have to 
> use delete.  If I slam it hard a bunch of times sometimes it registers 
> but most of the time it doesn't.
>
> But the semicolon key stopped working, but as soon as I hit SHIFT I 
> can get a colon to type pretty easily.  But never a semicolon (on 
> occasion it's hard to get the colon to type too, but it eventually 
> works-but the semicolon never does...)
>
> The comma never works, but the lesser than sign works fine with SHIFT.
>
> Oh and the right arrow key stopped working which is super 
> annoying...the slash on the number pad doesn't work...ok this is 
> weird-it does work if I hold down SHIFT...so strange...!!  Ok I just 
> figured out that I can get backspace to work if I hold down the SHIFT 
> key!  The right arrow key also starts working that way, but it does 
> select text when used with SHIFT, which is what it's supposed to do in 
> that case-but I mean it moves the cursor right while doing so, which I 
> can't get it to do otherwise!  Oh though holding down CTRL and right 
> arrow does advance it by each word (which is also how that's supposed 
> to work...)
>
> So the key is physically working but not being registered by the 
> system...it's an MSI GS73VR 7RF Stealth Pro from 2017 fully loaded 
> running the latest Win10 updates...
>
>
> So this seems like some sort of driver/OS/software issue right?  Any 
> ideas?  Googling didn't uncover anything...any help desperately 
> appreciated guys!
>
>
>   BINO
>
>

Re: [H] Weird sticky/not working keys on MSI laptop

[lopaka polena]

Did you disable sticky keys and filter keys settings ? I had a box that did
this all the time and that is what was causing it.

lopaka

On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 12:49 PM Bino Gopal  wrote:

> Hey guys, this has been going on for a while now and I'm at a loss...
>
> Certain keys on my keyboard have stopped working properly...but it's not
> as if the physical key itself is not working b/c I can get the character to
> type fine if I use the SHIFT key on it for most of them (that have that
> option).
>
> For example, my backspace key def stopped working right so I have to use
> delete.  If I slam it hard a bunch of times sometimes it registers but most
> of the time it doesn't.
>
> But the semicolon key stopped working, but as soon as I hit SHIFT I can
> get a colon to type pretty easily.  But never a semicolon (on occasion it's
> hard to get the colon to type too, but it eventually works-but the
> semicolon never does...)
>
> The comma never works, but the lesser than sign works fine with SHIFT.
>
> Oh and the right arrow key stopped working which is super annoying...the
> slash on the number pad doesn't work...ok this is weird-it does work if I
> hold down SHIFT...so strange...!!  Ok I just figured out that I can get
> backspace to work if I hold down the SHIFT key!  The right arrow key also
> starts working that way, but it does select text when used with SHIFT,
> which is what it's supposed to do in that case-but I mean it moves the
> cursor right while doing so, which I can't get it to do otherwise!  Oh
> though holding down CTRL and right arrow does advance it by each word
> (which is also how that's supposed to work...)
>
> So the key is physically working but not being registered by the
> system...it's an MSI GS73VR 7RF Stealth Pro from 2017 fully loaded running
> the latest Win10 updates...
>
>
> So this seems like some sort of driver/OS/software issue right?  Any
> ideas?  Googling didn't uncover anything...any help desperately appreciated
> guys!
>
>
>   BINO
>
>

[H] Weird sticky/not working keys on MSI laptop

[Bino Gopal]

Hey guys, this has been going on for a while now and I'm at a loss...

Certain keys on my keyboard have stopped working properly...but it's not as if 
the physical key itself is not working b/c I can get the character to type fine 
if I use the SHIFT key on it for most of them (that have that option).

For example, my backspace key def stopped working right so I have to use 
delete.  If I slam it hard a bunch of times sometimes it registers but most of 
the time it doesn't.

But the semicolon key stopped working, but as soon as I hit SHIFT I can get a 
colon to type pretty easily.  But never a semicolon (on occasion it's hard to 
get the colon to type too, but it eventually works-but the semicolon never 
does...)

The comma never works, but the lesser than sign works fine with SHIFT.

Oh and the right arrow key stopped working which is super annoying...the slash 
on the number pad doesn't work...ok this is weird-it does work if I hold down 
SHIFT...so strange...!!  Ok I just figured out that I can get backspace to work 
if I hold down the SHIFT key!  The right arrow key also starts working that 
way, but it does select text when used with SHIFT, which is what it's supposed 
to do in that case-but I mean it moves the cursor right while doing so, which I 
can't get it to do otherwise!  Oh though holding down CTRL and right arrow does 
advance it by each word (which is also how that's supposed to work...)

So the key is physically working but not being registered by the system...it's 
an MSI GS73VR 7RF Stealth Pro from 2017 fully loaded running the latest Win10 
updates...


So this seems like some sort of driver/OS/software issue right?  Any ideas?  
Googling didn't uncover anything...any help desperately appreciated guys!


BINO

Re: [H] Weird mouse problem

[DSinc]

OK. Sorry. I just tried to share, not get into a 'what I spent.' issue.
I have never used a current kbd or mouse. I have been using really 'old'
stuff for yearsI suppose.
I use plain old MS mice, ~$20 each'
I'm getting ready to shop some new kbds.
Kbds are special. I'll pay extra for what I choose. Last time it worked. 
This time I

do not knowyet.
Yes, YMMV. I get it. Have you researched the Logitech drivers lately?
Best,
Duncan

On 01/09/2014 16:13, Winterlight wrote:

At 12:37 PM 1/9/2014, you wrote:
I really do not wish to share that I buy keyboards and mice 3at a 
time; but I do.


Ok, but my Logitech G15 keyboard retailed at close to 2 bills and my 
G9X mouse still sells for around 70... but I do have backups for each





 Have been surviving this way since 2009.
Keyboard and mouse quality seems to be in the tank. The sign of 
'commodity' hardware I fear.

Best,
Duncan

On 01/09/2014 15:28, Winterlight wrote:


could it be grime internally blocking the buttons... this eventually 
happens to me... the buttons stop working well or the wheel gets 
hung up, and I have to take the mouse apart to clean it. Also 
sometimes the silicon pads get dirty and I have to clean them with a 
scrub sponge. The screws to take a Logitech mouse apart are always 
under the labeling so you have to feel around for the cavity and 
then cut it open to access the screw.



At 04:16 PM 1/8/2014, you wrote:
I've got a mouse problem that is driving me nuts. It doesn't click 
and drag
properly, like say to select a rectangular area for cropping a 
photo. Each

time I do it, there's about a 95% chance that it will somehow lose the
signal partway through the motion and make the box smaller than a 
want or
will somehow continue past and clear the box before I can click or 
hit any

keyboard commands.

I'm currently using a Logitech wireless mouse and I've tried 
replacing the
batteries as well as reinstalling the drivers to no avail. It works 
fine
otherwise. Haven't had any issues in gaming or anything. But when 
it comes
to dragging selection boxes (like in Photoshop or Google Earth or 
whatever)

it is an incredibly frustrating experience.

Any thoughts on what's going on?

-
Brian

Re: [H] Weird mouse problem

[Winterlight]

At 12:37 PM 1/9/2014, you wrote:
I really do not wish to share that I buy keyboards and mice 3at a 
time; but I do.


Ok, but my Logitech G15 keyboard retailed at close to 2 bills and my 
G9X mouse still sells for around 70... but I do have backups for each





 Have been surviving this way since 2009.
Keyboard and mouse quality seems to be in the tank. The sign of 
'commodity' hardware I fear.

Best,
Duncan

On 01/09/2014 15:28, Winterlight wrote:


could it be grime internally blocking the buttons... this 
eventually happens to me... the buttons stop working well or the 
wheel gets hung up, and I have to take the mouse apart to clean it. 
Also sometimes the silicon pads get dirty and I have to clean them 
with a scrub sponge. The screws to take a Logitech mouse apart are 
always under the labeling so you have to feel around for the cavity 
and then cut it open to access the screw.



At 04:16 PM 1/8/2014, you wrote:

I've got a mouse problem that is driving me nuts. It doesn't click and drag
properly, like say to select a rectangular area for cropping a photo. Each
time I do it, there's about a 95% chance that it will somehow lose the
signal partway through the motion and make the box smaller than a want or
will somehow continue past and clear the box before I can click or hit any
keyboard commands.

I'm currently using a Logitech wireless mouse and I've tried replacing the
batteries as well as reinstalling the drivers to no avail. It works fine
otherwise. Haven't had any issues in gaming or anything. But when it comes
to dragging selection boxes (like in Photoshop or Google Earth or whatever)
it is an incredibly frustrating experience.

Any thoughts on what's going on?

-
Brian

Re: [H] Weird mouse problem

[DSinc]

I really do not wish to share that I buy keyboards and mice 3at a time; 
but I do. Have been surviving this way since 2009.
Keyboard and mouse quality seems to be in the tank. The sign of 
'commodity' hardware I fear.

Best,
Duncan

On 01/09/2014 15:28, Winterlight wrote:


could it be grime internally blocking the buttons... this eventually 
happens to me... the buttons stop working well or the wheel gets hung 
up, and I have to take the mouse apart to clean it. Also sometimes the 
silicon pads get dirty and I have to clean them with a scrub sponge. 
The screws to take a Logitech mouse apart are always under the 
labeling so you have to feel around for the cavity and then cut it 
open to access the screw.



At 04:16 PM 1/8/2014, you wrote:
I've got a mouse problem that is driving me nuts. It doesn't click 
and drag
properly, like say to select a rectangular area for cropping a photo. 
Each

time I do it, there's about a 95% chance that it will somehow lose the
signal partway through the motion and make the box smaller than a 
want or
will somehow continue past and clear the box before I can click or 
hit any

keyboard commands.

I'm currently using a Logitech wireless mouse and I've tried 
replacing the

batteries as well as reinstalling the drivers to no avail. It works fine
otherwise. Haven't had any issues in gaming or anything. But when it 
comes
to dragging selection boxes (like in Photoshop or Google Earth or 
whatever)

it is an incredibly frustrating experience.

Any thoughts on what's going on?

-
Brian

Re: [H] Weird mouse problem

[Winterlight]

could it be grime internally blocking the buttons... this eventually 
happens to me... the buttons stop working well or the wheel gets hung 
up, and I have to take the mouse apart to clean it. Also sometimes 
the silicon pads get dirty and I have to clean them with a scrub 
sponge. The screws to take a Logitech mouse apart are always under 
the labeling so you have to feel around for the cavity and then cut 
it open to access the screw.



At 04:16 PM 1/8/2014, you wrote:

I've got a mouse problem that is driving me nuts. It doesn't click and drag
properly, like say to select a rectangular area for cropping a photo. Each
time I do it, there's about a 95% chance that it will somehow lose the
signal partway through the motion and make the box smaller than a want or
will somehow continue past and clear the box before I can click or hit any
keyboard commands.

I'm currently using a Logitech wireless mouse and I've tried replacing the
batteries as well as reinstalling the drivers to no avail. It works fine
otherwise. Haven't had any issues in gaming or anything. But when it comes
to dragging selection boxes (like in Photoshop or Google Earth or whatever)
it is an incredibly frustrating experience.

Any thoughts on what's going on?

-
Brian

[H] Weird mouse problem

[Brian Weeden]

I've got a mouse problem that is driving me nuts. It doesn't click and drag
properly, like say to select a rectangular area for cropping a photo. Each
time I do it, there's about a 95% chance that it will somehow lose the
signal partway through the motion and make the box smaller than a want or
will somehow continue past and clear the box before I can click or hit any
keyboard commands.

I'm currently using a Logitech wireless mouse and I've tried replacing the
batteries as well as reinstalling the drivers to no avail. It works fine
otherwise. Haven't had any issues in gaming or anything. But when it comes
to dragging selection boxes (like in Photoshop or Google Earth or whatever)
it is an incredibly frustrating experience.

Any thoughts on what's going on?

-
Brian

Re: [H] weird monitor bug

[FORC5]

Thanks
chalk it up to a undocumented feature :'(
I will try the other cable though, just for grins.
Fp

At 08:53 AM 3/16/2013, Greg Sevart Poked the stick with:

Unfortunately, I think this just happens sometimes. I've had it happen with
multiple models of Dell, Auria and Asus monitors, with multiple generations
of AMD and nvidia GPUs, on multiple motherboards/platforms, across multiple
OS versions, and over multiple interfaces (DP and DVI). In my case, power
cycling the monitor (by way of the switch) usually resolves. I run multiple
monitors, and when it happens, it usually affects only one display. I've
given up trying to resolve and have just accepted it as an (infrequent)
side-effect of using power saving.

-Original Message-
From: hardware-boun...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
[mailto:hardware-boun...@lists.hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of FORC5
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 12:24 AM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: [H] weird monitor bug

Recently bought a Samsung 3D monitor, not using 3D so I have no idea
why I did that but the bug is sometimes the monitor will not wake up
with the computer. Can be set for screen saver only or monitor sleep,
no difference.
cable is display port. I have to pull the power off the monitor and
plug it back in and it comes back so is not the computer not waking.

Anyone seen this bug ? was thinking of going back to the HDMI cable
and see if that helps.

Any ideas appreciated. Video card is a GTX 680. DM just shows generic
display driver installed.
Thanks
fp

Date:  Friday, March 15th, 2013

***Caution, Tagline Below ***
 **Tallyho**
**
  Each of us contains an element of
  insanity.
**


Date:  Saturday, March 16th, 2013

   ***Caution, Tagline Below ***
**Tallyho**
**
  Serfs up  -- Spartacus.
**

Re: [H] weird monitor bug

[FORC5]

yes, blank and comes back after a power off/on without a reboot.
may be a defect but I am going to try the HDMI cable and see if that helps

Very minor irritant but with age comes no patience :-!
Thanks

At 07:16 AM 3/16/2013, Anthony Q. Martin Poked the stick with:
Are you saying the monitor goes blank (off) even if the computer is 
not sleep?  If that is not a feature of the monitor, I'd view it as 
a defect of the monitor.


On 3/16/2013 1:24 AM, FORC5 wrote:
Recently bought a Samsung 3D monitor, not using 3D so I have no 
idea why I did that but the bug is sometimes the monitor will not 
wake up with the computer. Can be set for screen saver only or 
monitor sleep, no difference.
cable is display port. I have to pull the power off the monitor and 
plug it back in and it comes back so is not the computer not waking.


Anyone seen this bug ? was thinking of going back to the HDMI cable 
and see if that helps.


Any ideas appreciated. Video card is a GTX 680. DM just shows 
generic display driver installed.

Thanks
fp

Date:  Friday, March 15th, 2013

   ***Caution, Tagline Below ***
**Tallyho**
**
 Each of us contains an element of
 insanity.
**












Date:  Saturday, March 16th, 2013

   ***Caution, Tagline Below ***
**Tallyho**
**
  Serfs up  -- Spartacus.
**

Re: [H] weird monitor bug

[Greg Sevart]

Unfortunately, I think this just happens sometimes. I've had it happen with
multiple models of Dell, Auria and Asus monitors, with multiple generations
of AMD and nvidia GPUs, on multiple motherboards/platforms, across multiple
OS versions, and over multiple interfaces (DP and DVI). In my case, power
cycling the monitor (by way of the switch) usually resolves. I run multiple
monitors, and when it happens, it usually affects only one display. I've
given up trying to resolve and have just accepted it as an (infrequent)
side-effect of using power saving.

-Original Message-
From: hardware-boun...@lists.hardwaregroup.com
[mailto:hardware-boun...@lists.hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of FORC5
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 12:24 AM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: [H] weird monitor bug

Recently bought a Samsung 3D monitor, not using 3D so I have no idea 
why I did that but the bug is sometimes the monitor will not wake up 
with the computer. Can be set for screen saver only or monitor sleep, 
no difference.
cable is display port. I have to pull the power off the monitor and 
plug it back in and it comes back so is not the computer not waking.

Anyone seen this bug ? was thinking of going back to the HDMI cable 
and see if that helps.

Any ideas appreciated. Video card is a GTX 680. DM just shows generic 
display driver installed.
Thanks
fp

Date:  Friday, March 15th, 2013

***Caution, Tagline Below ***
 **Tallyho**
**
  Each of us contains an element of
  insanity.
**

Re: [H] weird monitor bug

[Anthony Q. Martin]

Are you saying the monitor goes blank (off) even if the computer is not 
sleep?  If that is not a feature of the monitor, I'd view it as a defect 
of the monitor.


On 3/16/2013 1:24 AM, FORC5 wrote:
Recently bought a Samsung 3D monitor, not using 3D so I have no idea 
why I did that but the bug is sometimes the monitor will not wake up 
with the computer. Can be set for screen saver only or monitor sleep, 
no difference.
cable is display port. I have to pull the power off the monitor and 
plug it back in and it comes back so is not the computer not waking.


Anyone seen this bug ? was thinking of going back to the HDMI cable 
and see if that helps.


Any ideas appreciated. Video card is a GTX 680. DM just shows generic 
display driver installed.

Thanks
fp

Date:  Friday, March 15th, 2013

   ***Caution, Tagline Below ***
**Tallyho**
**
 Each of us contains an element of
 insanity.
**

[H] weird monitor bug

[FORC5]

Recently bought a Samsung 3D monitor, not using 3D so I have no idea 
why I did that but the bug is sometimes the monitor will not wake up 
with the computer. Can be set for screen saver only or monitor sleep, 
no difference.
cable is display port. I have to pull the power off the monitor and 
plug it back in and it comes back so is not the computer not waking.


Anyone seen this bug ? was thinking of going back to the HDMI cable 
and see if that helps.


Any ideas appreciated. Video card is a GTX 680. DM just shows generic 
display driver installed.

Thanks
fp

Date:  Friday, March 15th, 2013

   ***Caution, Tagline Below ***
**Tallyho**
**
 Each of us contains an element of
 insanity.
**

Re: [H] Weird PC problem. - update

[David L. Gabler]

At 09:25 PM 1/17/2010, you wrote:

Me again.  I just got the system from the woman tonight.  One thing, it was
DUSTY!  After blowing out the system, I powered it up.  What happens is that
when going in to non-safe mode, after the loading XP window, the screen
blanks for about 10 seconds, then the signal to the monitor cuts off.  After
another 10-15 seconds, the system reboots.

It will boot into safe mode ok.  In safe mode, I modified it so that it will
not reboot on a blue screen.  When I am in safe mode, I cannot view any
events in the event viewer and the device manager shows nothing.  Any ideas?

It does blue screen now with a message something like: "error seems to be
caused by the following file: nv4_disp".  I am researching this error now.
Seems to be sort of common.

The stop code in case anyone is interested is:
0x00EA (0x870F8908, 0x86DCA108, 0xF7AD0CBC, 0x0001)

I have yet to scan the drive, but that is in the works.

Any help appreciated.

Thanks,
Bobby


Check 
here: 
http://www.christopherjason.com/personal-computing/nvidia-nv4disp-problem/




David L. Gabler
1719 Lindy Lane
Conroe, Texas 77301-4019
Home: 936-756-4614  Mobil: 936-537-5574
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Re: [H] Weird PC problem. - update

[Richard Quilhot]

Uninstall the video driver while safe mode. Reboot, reinstall with
fresh copy of video driver.

On 1/17/10, Bobby Heid  wrote:
> Me again.  I just got the system from the woman tonight.  One thing, it was
> DUSTY!  After blowing out the system, I powered it up.  What happens is that
> when going in to non-safe mode, after the loading XP window, the screen
> blanks for about 10 seconds, then the signal to the monitor cuts off.  After
> another 10-15 seconds, the system reboots.
>
> It will boot into safe mode ok.  In safe mode, I modified it so that it will
> not reboot on a blue screen.  When I am in safe mode, I cannot view any
> events in the event viewer and the device manager shows nothing.  Any ideas?
>
> It does blue screen now with a message something like: "error seems to be
> caused by the following file: nv4_disp".  I am researching this error now.
> Seems to be sort of common.
>
> The stop code in case anyone is interested is:
> 0x00EA (0x870F8908, 0x86DCA108, 0xF7AD0CBC, 0x0001)
>
> I have yet to scan the drive, but that is in the works.
>
> Any help appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Bobby
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com
> [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
> Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 5:59 PM
> To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
> Subject: Re: [H] Weird PC problem.
>
> Thanks for the reply.  I will probably scan the system and check the video
> settings and drivers.
>
> I'll let everyone know what I found.
>
> Thanks,
> Bobby
>
> -Original Message-
> From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com
> [mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Joe User
> Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 10:09 AM
> To: Bobby Heid
> Subject: Re: [H] Weird PC problem.
>
> Hello Bobby,
>
> Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 9:06:41 PM, you wrote:
>
>> Anyway, when booting up and it is showing the XP loading screen, the
> screen
>> starts blinking on and off.  She says that it might stay off 2-3 seconds
> at
>> a go.  Even after logging in, when moving the mouse, it causes the screen
> to
>> blink off.  She says that it does not blink on and off when she goes into
>> safe mode.
>
>> So, could it be some sort of infection?  Maybe the PS or video card?  She
>> replaced the monitor and it still does the same thing.  Or maybe a driver
>> issue of some sort since it works in safe mode?
>
>
> I doubt that's an infection nor a result of a password bypass unless
> it wasn't obtained from a credible source.
>
> I would think this is a driver issue esp where everything is fine in
> safe mode. Have you tried having them reload the drivers for the video
> card? See if there are any gamma tweaks going on also. Report
> findings.
>
>
> --
> Regards,
>  joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...
>
> "...now these points of data make a beautiful line..."
>
>
>
>
>
>

-- 
Sent from my mobile device

Richard E. Quilhot C.N.A.
quilh...@gmail.com

Re: [H] Weird PC problem. - update

[Bobby Heid]

Me again.  I just got the system from the woman tonight.  One thing, it was
DUSTY!  After blowing out the system, I powered it up.  What happens is that
when going in to non-safe mode, after the loading XP window, the screen
blanks for about 10 seconds, then the signal to the monitor cuts off.  After
another 10-15 seconds, the system reboots.  

It will boot into safe mode ok.  In safe mode, I modified it so that it will
not reboot on a blue screen.  When I am in safe mode, I cannot view any
events in the event viewer and the device manager shows nothing.  Any ideas?

It does blue screen now with a message something like: "error seems to be
caused by the following file: nv4_disp".  I am researching this error now.
Seems to be sort of common.

The stop code in case anyone is interested is:
0x00EA (0x870F8908, 0x86DCA108, 0xF7AD0CBC, 0x0001)

I have yet to scan the drive, but that is in the works.

Any help appreciated.

Thanks,
Bobby



-Original Message-
From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com
[mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 5:59 PM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Weird PC problem.

Thanks for the reply.  I will probably scan the system and check the video
settings and drivers.

I'll let everyone know what I found.

Thanks,
Bobby

-Original Message-
From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com
[mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Joe User
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 10:09 AM
To: Bobby Heid
Subject: Re: [H] Weird PC problem.

Hello Bobby,

Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 9:06:41 PM, you wrote:

> Anyway, when booting up and it is showing the XP loading screen, the
screen
> starts blinking on and off.  She says that it might stay off 2-3 seconds
at
> a go.  Even after logging in, when moving the mouse, it causes the screen
to
> blink off.  She says that it does not blink on and off when she goes into
> safe mode.

> So, could it be some sort of infection?  Maybe the PS or video card?  She
> replaced the monitor and it still does the same thing.  Or maybe a driver
> issue of some sort since it works in safe mode?


I doubt that's an infection nor a result of a password bypass unless
it wasn't obtained from a credible source.

I would think this is a driver issue esp where everything is fine in
safe mode. Have you tried having them reload the drivers for the video
card? See if there are any gamma tweaks going on also. Report
findings.


-- 
Regards,
 joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...

"...now these points of data make a beautiful line..."

Re: [H] Weird PC problem.

[Bobby Heid]

Thanks for the reply.  I will probably scan the system and check the video
settings and drivers.

I'll let everyone know what I found.

Thanks,
Bobby

-Original Message-
From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com
[mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Joe User
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 10:09 AM
To: Bobby Heid
Subject: Re: [H] Weird PC problem.

Hello Bobby,

Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 9:06:41 PM, you wrote:

> Anyway, when booting up and it is showing the XP loading screen, the
screen
> starts blinking on and off.  She says that it might stay off 2-3 seconds
at
> a go.  Even after logging in, when moving the mouse, it causes the screen
to
> blink off.  She says that it does not blink on and off when she goes into
> safe mode.

> So, could it be some sort of infection?  Maybe the PS or video card?  She
> replaced the monitor and it still does the same thing.  Or maybe a driver
> issue of some sort since it works in safe mode?


I doubt that's an infection nor a result of a password bypass unless
it wasn't obtained from a credible source.

I would think this is a driver issue esp where everything is fine in
safe mode. Have you tried having them reload the drivers for the video
card? See if there are any gamma tweaks going on also. Report
findings.


-- 
Regards,
 joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...

"...now these points of data make a beautiful line..."

Re: [H] Weird PC problem.

[Bobby Heid]

Thanks Tim.  I will have her bring her PC by and scan it and check the video
drivers.

Thanks,
Bobby

-Original Message-
From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com
[mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Tim Lider
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 10:00 AM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Weird PC problem.

I would first try to see if it could be some sort of
virus/Trojan/spyware/etc first.  Scan the system for them. I'd do this as an
external drive on another working known system.

If nothing is found then look at the Video Drivers. Reinstall the video
drivers. If this does not work it could be the video card is giving up the
ghost at high resolutions. 

I've seen this before and it was the Video Drivers in my situation. But,
Virus Scan first.

Good luck,

Tim Lider
Sr. Data Recovery Specialist
Advanced Data Solutions, LLC
http://www.adv-data.com

> -Original Message-
> From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-
> boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 7:07 PM
> To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
> Subject: [H] Weird PC problem.
> 
> Hey,
> 
> 
> 
> One of my wife's friends called tonight with a problem that I have
> never
> heard of.
> 
> 
> 
> This PC (that I have not seen yet) is pretty old (she thinks it could
> be
> over 10 years old).  She told me that it had been in the shop about 3
> years
> ago and had been upgraded to XP, so it must have had new hardware put
> in it.
> 
> 
> 
> Anyway, when booting up and it is showing the XP loading screen, the
> screen
> starts blinking on and off.  She says that it might stay off 2-3
> seconds at
> a go.  Even after logging in, when moving the mouse, it causes the
> screen to
> blink off.  She says that it does not blink on and off when she goes
> into
> safe mode.
> 
> 
> 
> One other possibly key piece of information is that apparently, her son
> had
> tried to get around her XP password with some sort of utility (she did
> not
> know what he tried).  She thinks that this stuff did not start
> happening
> until after he tried that stuff.
> 
> 
> 
> So, could it be some sort of infection?  Maybe the PS or video card?
> She
> replaced the monitor and it still does the same thing.  Or maybe a
> driver
> issue of some sort since it works in safe mode?
> 
> 
> 
> Any help would be appreciated.
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Bobby
> 

Re: [H] Weird PC problem.

[Joe User]

Hello Bobby,

Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 9:06:41 PM, you wrote:

> Anyway, when booting up and it is showing the XP loading screen, the screen
> starts blinking on and off.  She says that it might stay off 2-3 seconds at
> a go.  Even after logging in, when moving the mouse, it causes the screen to
> blink off.  She says that it does not blink on and off when she goes into
> safe mode.

> So, could it be some sort of infection?  Maybe the PS or video card?  She
> replaced the monitor and it still does the same thing.  Or maybe a driver
> issue of some sort since it works in safe mode?


I doubt that's an infection nor a result of a password bypass unless
it wasn't obtained from a credible source.

I would think this is a driver issue esp where everything is fine in
safe mode. Have you tried having them reload the drivers for the video
card? See if there are any gamma tweaks going on also. Report
findings.


-- 
Regards,
 joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...

"...now these points of data make a beautiful line..."

Re: [H] Weird PC problem.

[Tim Lider]

I would first try to see if it could be some sort of
virus/Trojan/spyware/etc first.  Scan the system for them. I'd do this as an
external drive on another working known system.

If nothing is found then look at the Video Drivers. Reinstall the video
drivers. If this does not work it could be the video card is giving up the
ghost at high resolutions. 

I've seen this before and it was the Video Drivers in my situation. But,
Virus Scan first.

Good luck,

Tim Lider
Sr. Data Recovery Specialist
Advanced Data Solutions, LLC
http://www.adv-data.com

> -Original Message-
> From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-
> boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 7:07 PM
> To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
> Subject: [H] Weird PC problem.
> 
> Hey,
> 
> 
> 
> One of my wife's friends called tonight with a problem that I have
> never
> heard of.
> 
> 
> 
> This PC (that I have not seen yet) is pretty old (she thinks it could
> be
> over 10 years old).  She told me that it had been in the shop about 3
> years
> ago and had been upgraded to XP, so it must have had new hardware put
> in it.
> 
> 
> 
> Anyway, when booting up and it is showing the XP loading screen, the
> screen
> starts blinking on and off.  She says that it might stay off 2-3
> seconds at
> a go.  Even after logging in, when moving the mouse, it causes the
> screen to
> blink off.  She says that it does not blink on and off when she goes
> into
> safe mode.
> 
> 
> 
> One other possibly key piece of information is that apparently, her son
> had
> tried to get around her XP password with some sort of utility (she did
> not
> know what he tried).  She thinks that this stuff did not start
> happening
> until after he tried that stuff.
> 
> 
> 
> So, could it be some sort of infection?  Maybe the PS or video card?
> She
> replaced the monitor and it still does the same thing.  Or maybe a
> driver
> issue of some sort since it works in safe mode?
> 
> 
> 
> Any help would be appreciated.
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Bobby
> 

[H] Weird PC problem.

[Bobby Heid]

Hey,

 

One of my wife's friends called tonight with a problem that I have never
heard of.

 

This PC (that I have not seen yet) is pretty old (she thinks it could be
over 10 years old).  She told me that it had been in the shop about 3 years
ago and had been upgraded to XP, so it must have had new hardware put in it.

 

Anyway, when booting up and it is showing the XP loading screen, the screen
starts blinking on and off.  She says that it might stay off 2-3 seconds at
a go.  Even after logging in, when moving the mouse, it causes the screen to
blink off.  She says that it does not blink on and off when she goes into
safe mode.

 

One other possibly key piece of information is that apparently, her son had
tried to get around her XP password with some sort of utility (she did not
know what he tried).  She thinks that this stuff did not start happening
until after he tried that stuff.

 

So, could it be some sort of infection?  Maybe the PS or video card?  She
replaced the monitor and it still does the same thing.  Or maybe a driver
issue of some sort since it works in safe mode?

 

Any help would be appreciated.

 

Thanks,

Bobby

Re: [H] weird mouse bug

[FORC5]

removed ie8 and setpoint, still have the bug. Looking for some advanced search 
feature. 

ie8 seemed OK, auto fill worked pretty good and all the search suggestions 
freaked my wife a little

this is a minor bug, and may even be a malfunction in the mouse hw ( doubtful) 
but this litle irritants drive me nuts.

fp
thanks


At 10:11 AM 5/12/2009, Joe User Poked the stick with:
>Hello FORC5,
>
>Tuesday, May 12, 2009, 11:37:28 AM, you wrote:
>
>> removed setpoint sw, still does this. I suspect some MS search
>> update. Possible IE8, next thing to remove, wife complains about
>> anything that comes up different. 
>
>Even when software is removed? Weird, curious what do you think of IE
>8? Maybe check mouse properties in settings?
>
>-- 
>Regards,
> joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...
>
>"...now these points of data make a beautiful line..."

-- 
Tallyho ! ]:8)
Taglines below !
--
If at first you don't succeed, you can always emulate me.

Re: [H] weird mouse bug

[Joe User]

Hello FORC5,

Tuesday, May 12, 2009, 11:37:28 AM, you wrote:

> removed setpoint sw, still does this. I suspect some MS search
> update. Possible IE8, next thing to remove, wife complains about
> anything that comes up different. 

Even when software is removed? Weird, curious what do you think of IE
8? Maybe check mouse properties in settings?

-- 
Regards,
 joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...

"...now these points of data make a beautiful line..."

Re: [H] weird mouse bug

[FORC5]

removed setpoint sw, still does this. I suspect some MS search update. Possible 
IE8, next thing to remove, wife complains about anything that comes up 
different. 

game afoot
thanks

At 09:37 AM 5/12/2009, Joe User Poked the stick with:
>Hello FORC5,
>
>Tuesday, May 12, 2009, 11:08:19 AM, you wrote:
>
>> have one of the side buttons that I have always had set for double
>> click keeps reverting back to default setting ( search) even though
>> the sw says it is set for double click. On reboot double click works
>> for a short time and sometimes if I change the settings to something
>> else and back it works for awhile. No sw updates b4 bug. updated sw
>> still have bug. very annoying, use that button a lot. even if I set
>> it to do nothing it comes back and works at default setting. Almost
>> ready to look for another mouse or maybe even try removing the sw completely 
>> and see what shakes.
>
>Sounds like a software bug to me...
>
>-- 
>Regards,
> joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...
>
>"...now these points of data make a beautiful line..."

-- 
Tallyho ! ]:8)
Taglines below !
--
Dancing with a grass widow brings on hay fever.

Re: [H] weird mouse bug

[Joe User]

Hello FORC5,

Tuesday, May 12, 2009, 11:08:19 AM, you wrote:

> have one of the side buttons that I have always had set for double
> click keeps reverting back to default setting ( search) even though
> the sw says it is set for double click. On reboot double click works
> for a short time and sometimes if I change the settings to something
> else and back it works for awhile. No sw updates b4 bug. updated sw
> still have bug. very annoying, use that button a lot. even if I set
> it to do nothing it comes back and works at default setting. Almost
> ready to look for another mouse or maybe even try removing the sw completely 
> and see what shakes.

Sounds like a software bug to me...

-- 
Regards,
 joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...

"...now these points of data make a beautiful line..."

[H] weird mouse bug

[FORC5]

Have a Logitech laser mouse, been a very good mousy with exceptional battery 
life ( why I bought it)

have one of the side buttons that I have always had set for double click keeps 
reverting back to default setting ( search) even though the sw says it is set 
for double click. On reboot double click works for a short time and sometimes 
if I change the settings to something else and back it works for awhile. No sw 
updates b4 bug. updated sw still have bug. very annoying, use that button a 
lot. even if I set it to do nothing it comes back and works at default setting. 
Almost ready to look for another mouse or maybe even try removing the sw 
completely and see what shakes.

anyone else seen a bug like this ?  mouse is a mx620 FWIW
thanks
fp


-- 
Tallyho ! ]:8)
Taglines below !
--
That was definitely the LAST bug, take my word for it.

Re: [H] Weird file explorer error

[Brian Weeden]

I think it's some sort of bug with Live Mesh.  Seems to only affect the
folders that are shared in the mesh.

On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 10:58 AM, Rick Glazier wrote:

> Sounds like some sort of "window shade prank".
>
>Rick Glazier
>
> From: "Brian Weeden"
>
>  Here's a brain stumper for ya.  Just in the last couple of weeks I've
>> started seeing some weird stuff with my file explorer windows in XP.
>> Sometimes when I click on them, they slowly shrink in height from the top
>> down until they are sitting on the task bar.  Can't click on them or do
>> anything to stop the process.  Once they are all the way down, I can close
>> them.  The only thing I can think of is that it has something to do with
>> Live Mesh which I'm playing around with (and love).  But it doesn't seem
>> to
>> be happening on the other machines I have Meshed.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>

Re: [H] Weird file explorer error

[Rick Glazier]

Sounds like some sort of "window shade prank".

Rick Glazier

From: "Brian Weeden"

Here's a brain stumper for ya.  Just in the last couple of weeks I've
started seeing some weird stuff with my file explorer windows in XP.
Sometimes when I click on them, they slowly shrink in height from the top
down until they are sitting on the task bar.  Can't click on them or do
anything to stop the process.  Once they are all the way down, I can close
them.  The only thing I can think of is that it has something to do with
Live Mesh which I'm playing around with (and love).  But it doesn't seem to
be happening on the other machines I have Meshed.

Thoughts?

[H] Weird file explorer error

[Brian Weeden]

Here's a brain stumper for ya.  Just in the last couple of weeks I've
started seeing some weird stuff with my file explorer windows in XP.
Sometimes when I click on them, they slowly shrink in height from the top
down until they are sitting on the task bar.  Can't click on them or do
anything to stop the process.  Once they are all the way down, I can close
them.  The only thing I can think of is that it has something to do with
Live Mesh which I'm playing around with (and love).  But it doesn't seem to
be happening on the other machines I have Meshed.

Thoughts?


Brian

Re: [H] weird email problem

[Harvey Best]

All I can get is view page source. I will keep looking,



> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
> Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 21:34:25 -0700
> Subject: Re: [H] weird email problem
> 
> Try this: right-click on the message, select "View Source".
> Select the headers, copy, then paste into a reply here.
> 
> Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)
> 
> 
> --
> From: "Harvey Best" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> > Well, I use a Hotmail address and I log in to Hotmail, but, the title of 
> > the progam I am using says Windows Live.
> >
> >
> >> >> --
> >> >> From: "Harvey Best" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I know I have done this in W98, but how do you display the full 
> >> >> > headers in Vista? I will do it once I figure it out or
> >> >> > someone
> >> >> > tells me.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Thanks, Harvey
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> If you want to rule out the possibility that it is coming from
> >> >> >> your own machine, post the full headers of one of those weird
> >> >> >> emails. I can analyze it for the actual origin.
>  
> 

_
Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live.
http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/

Re: [H] weird email problem

[Brian Weeden]

Microsoft is redranding Hotmail as part of it's windows live strategy,  
which is aimed at competing with the google Internet suite (mail,  
maps, calendar, docs, etc)


---
Brian Weeden
Technical Consultant
Secure World Foundation

Sent from my iPhone

On 6-Sep-08, at 10:34 PM, "Gary VanderMolen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:



Try this: right-click on the message, select "View Source".
Select the headers, copy, then paste into a reply here.

Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)


--
From: "Harvey Best" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


Well, I use a Hotmail address and I log in to Hotmail, but, the  
title of the progam I am using says Windows Live.




>> --
>> From: "Harvey Best" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >
>> > I know I have done this in W98, but how do you display the  
full headers in Vista? I will do it once I figure it out or

>> > someone
>> > tells me.
>> >
>> > Thanks, Harvey
>> >
>> >
>> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >>
>> >> If you want to rule out the possibility that it is coming from
>> >> your own machine, post the full headers of one of those weird
>> >> emails. I can analyze it for the actual origin.

Re: [H] weird email problem

[Gary VanderMolen]

Try this: right-click on the message, select "View Source".
Select the headers, copy, then paste into a reply here.

Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)


--
From: "Harvey Best" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


Well, I use a Hotmail address and I log in to Hotmail, but, the title of the 
progam I am using says Windows Live.



>> --
>> From: "Harvey Best" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >
>> > I know I have done this in W98, but how do you display the full headers in 
Vista? I will do it once I figure it out or
>> > someone
>> > tells me.
>> >
>> > Thanks, Harvey
>> >
>> >
>> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >>
>> >> If you want to rule out the possibility that it is coming from
>> >> your own machine, post the full headers of one of those weird
>> >> emails. I can analyze it for the actual origin.

Re: [H] weird email problem

[Harvey Best]

Well, I use a Hotmail address and I log in to Hotmail, but, the title of the 
progam I am using says Windows Live.



> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
> Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 16:54:05 -0700
> Subject: Re: [H] weird email problem
> 
> "Windows Live" is a group name for a large collection of
> programs, see http://get.live.com.
> 
> Perhaps you meant Windows Live Hotmail or Windows Live Mail.
> I can help you with the latter, but someone else will have to
> jump in for Hotmail since I'm not familiar with it.
> 
> Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)
> 
> 
> --
> From: "Harvey Best" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> > Thats right, wasn't thinking.
> >
> > I am using Windows Live, basically a souped up Hotmail.
> >
> > Harvey
> >
> >
> >
> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
> >> Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 16:13:49 -0700
> >> Subject: Re: [H] weird email problem
> >>
> >> The OS doesn't matter. What matters is which email program
> >> you are using.
> >>
> >> Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> From: "Harvey Best" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> >
> >> > I know I have done this in W98, but how do you display the full headers 
> >> > in Vista? I will do it once I figure it out or 
> >> > someone
> >> > tells me.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks, Harvey
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> >> To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
> >> >> Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 11:41:05 -0700
> >> >> Subject: Re: [H] weird email problem
> >> >>
> >> >> If you want to rule out the possibility that it is coming from
> >> >> your own machine, post the full headers of one of those weird
> >> >> emails. I can analyze it for the actual origin.
> >> >>
> >> >> Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP
> >>
> >
> > _
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> >  
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Re: [H] weird email problem

[Gary VanderMolen]

"Windows Live" is a group name for a large collection of
programs, see http://get.live.com.

Perhaps you meant Windows Live Hotmail or Windows Live Mail.
I can help you with the latter, but someone else will have to
jump in for Hotmail since I'm not familiar with it.

Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)


--
From: "Harvey Best" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


Thats right, wasn't thinking.

I am using Windows Live, basically a souped up Hotmail.

Harvey




From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 16:13:49 -0700
Subject: Re: [H] weird email problem

The OS doesn't matter. What matters is which email program
you are using.

Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)


--
From: "Harvey Best" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> I know I have done this in W98, but how do you display the full headers in Vista? I will do it once I figure it out or 
> someone

> tells me.
>
> Thanks, Harvey
>
>
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
>> Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 11:41:05 -0700
>> Subject: Re: [H] weird email problem
>>
>> If you want to rule out the possibility that it is coming from
>> your own machine, post the full headers of one of those weird
>> emails. I can analyze it for the actual origin.
>>
>> Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP



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Re: [H] weird email problem

[Harvey Best]

Weil, I am glad it is not coming from my computer. That's what I was worried 
about.

Harvey



> Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 12:54:49 -0700
> To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [H] weird email problem
> 
> At 02:25 AM 9/6/2008, you wrote:
> >How can I track this down and stop it? Best I can tell its 
> >originating from my system
> >Any help appreciated.
> 
> If you were posting 500 emails from your system your ISP would shut 
> you down pretty quickly. So it sounds like a spamer is spoofing your 
> email address to send out spam, and then the bad addresses are 
> bouncing back to you.
> 
> Once this happens there is nothing you can do except live with it or 
> get another email address.
> 
> m 
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Re: [H] weird email problem

[Harvey Best]

Thats right, wasn't thinking.

I am using Windows Live, basically a souped up Hotmail.

Harvey



> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
> Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 16:13:49 -0700
> Subject: Re: [H] weird email problem
> 
> The OS doesn't matter. What matters is which email program
> you are using.
> 
> Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)
> 
> 
> --
> From: "Harvey Best" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> > I know I have done this in W98, but how do you display the full headers in 
> > Vista? I will do it once I figure it out or someone 
> > tells me.
> >
> > Thanks, Harvey
> >
> >
> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
> >> Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 11:41:05 -0700
> >> Subject: Re: [H] weird email problem
> >>
> >> If you want to rule out the possibility that it is coming from
> >> your own machine, post the full headers of one of those weird
> >> emails. I can analyze it for the actual origin.
> >>
> >> Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP 
> 

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Re: [H] weird email problem

[Gary VanderMolen]

The OS doesn't matter. What matters is which email program
you are using.

Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP (Mail)


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I know I have done this in W98, but how do you display the full headers in Vista? I will do it once I figure it out or someone 
tells me.


Thanks, Harvey



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 11:41:05 -0700
Subject: Re: [H] weird email problem

If you want to rule out the possibility that it is coming from
your own machine, post the full headers of one of those weird
emails. I can analyze it for the actual origin.

Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP 

Re: [H] weird email problem

[Winterlight]

At 02:25 AM 9/6/2008, you wrote:
How can I track this down and stop it? Best I can tell its 
originating from my system

Any help appreciated.


If you were posting 500 emails from your system your ISP would shut 
you down pretty quickly. So it sounds like a spamer is spoofing your 
email address to send out spam, and then the bad addresses are 
bouncing back to you.


Once this happens there is nothing you can do except live with it or 
get another email address.


m 

Re: [H] weird email problem

[Harvey Best]

I know I have done this in W98, but how do you display the full headers in 
Vista? I will do it once I figure it out or someone tells me.

Thanks, Harvey


> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
> Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 11:41:05 -0700
> Subject: Re: [H] weird email problem
> 
> If you want to rule out the possibility that it is coming from
> your own machine, post the full headers of one of those weird
> emails. I can analyze it for the actual origin.
> 
> Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP
> 
> 
> --
> From: "Harvey Best" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> > Hi Bobby,
> >
> > Thanks for the info. Is there any thing I can do about it?
> >
> > Harvey
> >
> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>
> >> It's possible that it is not coming from your machine but are being sent
> >> from another computer where they are spoofing your email address.  Then 
> >> when
> >> it bounces, it comes back to you.
>  
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Re: [H] weird email problem

[Gary VanderMolen]

If you want to rule out the possibility that it is coming from
your own machine, post the full headers of one of those weird
emails. I can analyze it for the actual origin.

Gary VanderMolen, MS-MVP


--
From: "Harvey Best" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


Hi Bobby,

Thanks for the info. Is there any thing I can do about it?

Harvey


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

It's possible that it is not coming from your machine but are being sent
from another computer where they are spoofing your email address.  Then when
it bounces, it comes back to you.

Re: [H] weird email problem

[Bobby Heid]

Not that I know of, other than changing your email address.

It is still possible that it is your machine.  Are you running a firewall
that can check outgoing connections?  If so, you might try locking
everything down and re-allowing stuff you know is ok.

I'm sure there are many others on this list that will have better info.

Bobby

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Harvey Best
Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 12:25 PM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] weird email problem

Hi Bobby,

Thanks for the info. Is there any thing I can do about it?

Harvey



> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
> Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 11:51:15 -0400
> Subject: Re: [H] weird email problem
> 
> Harvey,
> 
> It's possible that it is not coming from your machine but are being sent
> from another computer where they are spoofing your email address.  Then
when
> it bounces, it comes back to you.
> 
> Bobby
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Harvey Best
> Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 5:26 AM
> To: Alt Cpu
> Subject: [H] weird email problem
> 
> Hey Gang,
> 
> An having a weird email problem. Every few days I get 40-500 bounced
emails
> in my mail folders. AS best I can tell they have been sent by my system
and
> then bounce back. The writing in the emails is Russian I believe. My virus
> checker shows no problems. (Norton and yes its signatures are up to date)
> Spybot doesn't show any thing.
> 
> I can go several days to several weeks with this not happening ad then
bang,
> I have 400 to 500 of them.
> 
> Some of the emails show a file attached.
> 
> How can I track this down and stop it? Best I can tell its originating
from
> my system
> 
> Any help appreciated.
> 
> Harvey
> 
> hbest 
> 
> 

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Re: [H] weird email problem

[Harvey Best]

Hi Bobby,

Thanks for the info. Is there any thing I can do about it?

Harvey



> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
> Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 11:51:15 -0400
> Subject: Re: [H] weird email problem
> 
> Harvey,
> 
> It's possible that it is not coming from your machine but are being sent
> from another computer where they are spoofing your email address.  Then when
> it bounces, it comes back to you.
> 
> Bobby
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Harvey Best
> Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 5:26 AM
> To: Alt Cpu
> Subject: [H] weird email problem
> 
> Hey Gang,
> 
> An having a weird email problem. Every few days I get 40-500 bounced emails
> in my mail folders. AS best I can tell they have been sent by my system and
> then bounce back. The writing in the emails is Russian I believe. My virus
> checker shows no problems. (Norton and yes its signatures are up to date)
> Spybot doesn't show any thing.
> 
> I can go several days to several weeks with this not happening ad then bang,
> I have 400 to 500 of them.
> 
> Some of the emails show a file attached.
> 
> How can I track this down and stop it? Best I can tell its originating from
> my system
> 
> Any help appreciated.
> 
> Harvey
> 
> hbest 
> 
> 

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Re: [H] weird email problem

[Bobby Heid]

Harvey,

It's possible that it is not coming from your machine but are being sent
from another computer where they are spoofing your email address.  Then when
it bounces, it comes back to you.

Bobby

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Harvey Best
Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 5:26 AM
To: Alt Cpu
Subject: [H] weird email problem

Hey Gang,

An having a weird email problem. Every few days I get 40-500 bounced emails
in my mail folders. AS best I can tell they have been sent by my system and
then bounce back. The writing in the emails is Russian I believe. My virus
checker shows no problems. (Norton and yes its signatures are up to date)
Spybot doesn't show any thing.

I can go several days to several weeks with this not happening ad then bang,
I have 400 to 500 of them.

Some of the emails show a file attached.

How can I track this down and stop it? Best I can tell its originating from
my system

Any help appreciated.

Harvey

hbest 

[H] weird email problem

[Harvey Best]

Hey Gang,

An having a weird email problem. Every few days I get 40-500 bounced emails in 
my mail folders. AS best I can tell they have been sent by my system and then 
bounce back. The writing in the emails is Russian I believe. My virus checker 
shows no problems. (Norton and yes its signatures are up to date) Spybot 
doesn't show any thing.

I can go several days to several weeks with this not happening ad then bang, I 
have 400 to 500 of them.

Some of the emails show a file attached.

How can I track this down and stop it? Best I can tell its originating from my 
system

Any help appreciated.

Harvey

hbest 

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RE: [H] Weird computer freezing problem

[Hayes Elkins]

A short in the hd connection can do this. The pause is the time it takes for 
the drive to spin back up. But you probably would notice that noise 
already...




From: "Bobby Heid" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], The Hardware List 
To: "'The Hardware List'" 
Subject: RE: [H] Weird computer freezing problem
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 13:02:36 -0400

Brian,

A pc I had at work doing something similar (but only pausing for about 2-5
seconds at a time).  It would come and go.  When it happened, it might
happen 10 times/minute, then not happen for a few days.  I finally traced 
it

down to problems with the HD.  I replaced the HD and all was well.  Now, I
am not sure that your issue is the same, but you never know.

Bobby

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Weeden
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 12:53 PM
To: hwg
Subject: [H] Weird computer freezing problem

Ok here's a stumper.  Built a box a couple years ago that I have been
using ever since with a few component upgrades (Athlon 64 3000+, X800
GTO2, 9NPA Ultra mobo, 2GB of PC3200).  Runs great except for a very
annoying problem.  Every couple hours, the machine completely freezes
up - mouse, video output, sound, everything.  It stays that way for
20-30 seconds and then goes back to normal.  If music was playing it
resumes right where it left off.  In the middle of a game no problem.
If I was playing a game online it would time out and drop.  And if I
was burning a CD/DVD it would fail.

Last week I upgraded my video card to a X1950 and the problem has
gotten worse in that it is now happening every 15-20 minutes.  But
other than this problem the machine is rock solid and doesn't crash or
anything.

Any thoughts on what could be causing it?  I don't think it is a
software problem as I have reinstalled a few times from scratch and
the problem has never gone away.  I believe my CPU is running at stock
speed (Venice core 3000+ running at 1.8 Ghz at 9x200Mhz and 1.56V).
Temps are fine too (CPU is 41C and video is 52C).

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Re: [H] Weird computer freezing problem

[Brian Weeden]

I have a single 80GB SATA drive on this system.

On 3/11/07, dex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On 3/11/07, Brian Weeden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I can try but don't think it will help - there is no warning then it
> happens and the entire machine locks up, including video, mouse, and
> keyboard.  However it will buffer inputs provided during the freeze.
> So if I move the mouse during the freeze it will not show any change
> until after it comes out of the freeze.

I agree, it could be the HD(s), especially if you are using an
on-board RAID.  Check the HD light when it happens to see if it's on
solid.  Even if not and you are running multiple HD's, try just one,
or try changing from SATA to IDE.




--
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Re: [H] Weird computer freezing problem

[dex]

On 3/11/07, Brian Weeden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I can try but don't think it will help - there is no warning then it
happens and the entire machine locks up, including video, mouse, and
keyboard.  However it will buffer inputs provided during the freeze.
So if I move the mouse during the freeze it will not show any change
until after it comes out of the freeze.


I agree, it could be the HD(s), especially if you are using an
on-board RAID.  Check the HD light when it happens to see if it's on
solid.  Even if not and you are running multiple HD's, try just one,
or try changing from SATA to IDE.

Re: [H] Weird computer freezing problem

[FORC5]

try turning on the swap file, some programs look for it regardless of how much 
ram.
other then that I would suspect i/o ( hard drive ) spinrite is not always 100% 
conclusive.
Fp

At 10:50 AM 3/11/2007, Brian Weeden Poked the stick with:
>I could understand that - if you didn't have a lot of ram and needed
>to swap a lot I could see a HD causing that problem.  But with mine I
>don't even have a swap file active and as far as I can tell using
>SpinRite my HD is just fine.

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Re: [H] Weird computer freezing problem

[Brian Weeden]

I can try but don't think it will help - there is no warning then it
happens and the entire machine locks up, including video, mouse, and
keyboard.  However it will buffer inputs provided during the freeze.
So if I move the mouse during the freeze it will not show any change
until after it comes out of the freeze.

On 3/11/07, Thane Sherrington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Can you use somethink like process explorer to see if there is an app
that is suddenly using up all the CPU time?

T





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Re: [H] Weird computer freezing problem

[Rick Glazier]

No problem, get a faster burner and finish in 16 minutes or less, 

From: "Brian Weeden"

Of course when I try and burn a DVD it seems to happen every 20 min  :(

Re: [H] Weird computer freezing problem

[Thane Sherrington]

At 02:51 PM 11/03/2007, Brian Weeden wrote:

As far as diagnostic software I have the app that checks ram,
SpinRite, and System Info.  It probably is the hardware but I can't
think of anything that could cause it to freeze up like that but not
crash.


Can you use somethink like process explorer to see if there is an app 
that is suddenly using up all the CPU time?


T 

Re[2]: [H] Weird computer freezing problem

[Joe User]

Hello Brian,

Sunday, March 11, 2007, 1:07:14 PM, you wrote:

> The symptoms are like clockwork but I cannot reproduce the error and
> it does not occur at regular intervals.  It used to happen once every
> few hours and since the video card install it is now happening once or
> twice an hour.  Of course when I try and burn a DVD it seems to happen
> every 20 min  :(

Might want to check fans and swap the PSU... Funky PSU's can cause
things like that to happen. Although - they usually don't recover.

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Re[2]: [H] Weird computer freezing problem

[Joe User]

Hello Brian,

Sunday, March 11, 2007, 12:51:52 PM, you wrote:

> As far as diagnostic software I have the app that checks ram,
> SpinRite, and System Info.  It probably is the hardware but I can't
> think of anything that could cause it to freeze up like that but not
> crash.

Yeah I was thinking maybe a driver quirk - which you would have to
install after the windows reload...

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Re: [H] Weird computer freezing problem

[Brian Weeden]

The symptoms are like clockwork but I cannot reproduce the error and
it does not occur at regular intervals.  It used to happen once every
few hours and since the video card install it is now happening once or
twice an hour.  Of course when I try and burn a DVD it seems to happen
every 20 min  :(

On 3/11/07, Rick Glazier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

If it is like clockwork, it might be a non-maskable interrupt...
Try to see what you are running, and kill off some stuff as a test...

You might be "carrying along" the problem by always running a
"bad" (as in poorly written) program in install after install...
(I think I have some of those myself... ..)
Just a thought...
   Rick Glazier

From: "Brian Weeden"
> It probably is the hardware but I can't think of anything that
> could cause it to freeze up like that but not crash.





--
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Re: [H] Weird computer freezing problem

[Rick Glazier]

If it is like clockwork, it might be a non-maskable interrupt...
Try to see what you are running, and kill off some stuff as a test...

You might be "carrying along" the problem by always running a
"bad" (as in poorly written) program in install after install...
(I think I have some of those myself... ..)
Just a thought...
  Rick Glazier

From: "Brian Weeden"

It probably is the hardware but I can't think of anything that
could cause it to freeze up like that but not crash.

Re: [H] Weird computer freezing problem

[Brian Weeden]

As far as diagnostic software I have the app that checks ram,
SpinRite, and System Info.  It probably is the hardware but I can't
think of anything that could cause it to freeze up like that but not
crash.

On 3/11/07, Joe User <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

If you did a few clean installs and it continues it's probably
hardware. I would start swapping parts out.
Do you have any diagnostic
software?


--
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Re: [H] Weird computer freezing problem

[Brian Weeden]

I could understand that - if you didn't have a lot of ram and needed
to swap a lot I could see a HD causing that problem.  But with mine I
don't even have a swap file active and as far as I can tell using
SpinRite my HD is just fine.


On 3/11/07, Bobby Heid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Brian,

A pc I had at work doing something similar (but only pausing for about 2-5
seconds at a time).  It would come and go.  When it happened, it might
happen 10 times/minute, then not happen for a few days.  I finally traced it
down to problems with the HD.  I replaced the HD and all was well.  Now, I
am not sure that your issue is the same, but you never know.

Bobby

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Weeden
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 12:53 PM
To: hwg
Subject: [H] Weird computer freezing problem

Ok here's a stumper.  Built a box a couple years ago that I have been
using ever since with a few component upgrades (Athlon 64 3000+, X800
GTO2, 9NPA Ultra mobo, 2GB of PC3200).  Runs great except for a very
annoying problem.  Every couple hours, the machine completely freezes
up - mouse, video output, sound, everything.  It stays that way for
20-30 seconds and then goes back to normal.  If music was playing it
resumes right where it left off.  In the middle of a game no problem.
If I was playing a game online it would time out and drop.  And if I
was burning a CD/DVD it would fail.

Last week I upgraded my video card to a X1950 and the problem has
gotten worse in that it is now happening every 15-20 minutes.  But
other than this problem the machine is rock solid and doesn't crash or
anything.

Any thoughts on what could be causing it?  I don't think it is a
software problem as I have reinstalled a few times from scratch and
the problem has never gone away.  I believe my CPU is running at stock
speed (Venice core 3000+ running at 1.8 Ghz at 9x200Mhz and 1.56V).
Temps are fine too (CPU is 41C and video is 52C).

--
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Re: [H] Weird computer freezing problem

[Joe User]

Hello Brian,

Sunday, March 11, 2007, 11:52:54 AM, you wrote:

> Any thoughts on what could be causing it?  I don't think it is a
> software problem as I have reinstalled a few times from scratch and
> the problem has never gone away.  I believe my CPU is running at stock
> speed (Venice core 3000+ running at 1.8 Ghz at 9x200Mhz and 1.56V).
> Temps are fine too (CPU is 41C and video is 52C).

If you did a few clean installs and it continues it's probably
hardware. I would start swapping parts out.
Do you have any diagnostic
software?

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RE: [H] Weird computer freezing problem

[Bobby Heid]

Brian,

A pc I had at work doing something similar (but only pausing for about 2-5
seconds at a time).  It would come and go.  When it happened, it might
happen 10 times/minute, then not happen for a few days.  I finally traced it
down to problems with the HD.  I replaced the HD and all was well.  Now, I
am not sure that your issue is the same, but you never know.

Bobby

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Weeden
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 12:53 PM
To: hwg
Subject: [H] Weird computer freezing problem

Ok here's a stumper.  Built a box a couple years ago that I have been
using ever since with a few component upgrades (Athlon 64 3000+, X800
GTO2, 9NPA Ultra mobo, 2GB of PC3200).  Runs great except for a very
annoying problem.  Every couple hours, the machine completely freezes
up - mouse, video output, sound, everything.  It stays that way for
20-30 seconds and then goes back to normal.  If music was playing it
resumes right where it left off.  In the middle of a game no problem.
If I was playing a game online it would time out and drop.  And if I
was burning a CD/DVD it would fail.

Last week I upgraded my video card to a X1950 and the problem has
gotten worse in that it is now happening every 15-20 minutes.  But
other than this problem the machine is rock solid and doesn't crash or
anything.

Any thoughts on what could be causing it?  I don't think it is a
software problem as I have reinstalled a few times from scratch and
the problem has never gone away.  I believe my CPU is running at stock
speed (Venice core 3000+ running at 1.8 Ghz at 9x200Mhz and 1.56V).
Temps are fine too (CPU is 41C and video is 52C).

-- 
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[H] Weird computer freezing problem

[Brian Weeden]

Ok here's a stumper.  Built a box a couple years ago that I have been
using ever since with a few component upgrades (Athlon 64 3000+, X800
GTO2, 9NPA Ultra mobo, 2GB of PC3200).  Runs great except for a very
annoying problem.  Every couple hours, the machine completely freezes
up - mouse, video output, sound, everything.  It stays that way for
20-30 seconds and then goes back to normal.  If music was playing it
resumes right where it left off.  In the middle of a game no problem.
If I was playing a game online it would time out and drop.  And if I
was burning a CD/DVD it would fail.

Last week I upgraded my video card to a X1950 and the problem has
gotten worse in that it is now happening every 15-20 minutes.  But
other than this problem the machine is rock solid and doesn't crash or
anything.

Any thoughts on what could be causing it?  I don't think it is a
software problem as I have reinstalled a few times from scratch and
the problem has never gone away.  I believe my CPU is running at stock
speed (Venice core 3000+ running at 1.8 Ghz at 9x200Mhz and 1.56V).
Temps are fine too (CPU is 41C and video is 52C).

--
Brian

RE: [H] Weird MSN messenger problem

[Thane Sherrington]

Try fixing it with this:

Uninstall
Rename the MSN Messenger/Live Messenger folder to *.old
Reinstall
If that doesn't fix it, go out to the command problem and run the 
following commands:

regsvr32 softpub.dll
regsvr32 wintrust.dll
regsvr32 initpki.dll
regsvr32 MSXML3.dll

Then reboot.

T

RE: [H] Weird MSN messenger problem

[Thane Sherrington]

At 12:48 PM 08/12/2006, Harvey Best wrote:
I am having almost the exact same problems. I haven't uninstalled 
reinstalled, I just figured it was my luck. I have sent a couple of 
support requests, but not much forthcoming. They are aware of the 
problem, but not sure what is causing it.


Harvey

Sorry no help, just confirming someone else is indeed seeing the problem.


No problem.  I'll keep working on it and if I figure it out, I'll 
post the solution.


T 

RE: [H] Weird MSN messenger problem

[Harvey Best]

I am having almost the exact same problems. I haven't uninstalled reinstalled, 
I just figured it was my luck. I have sent a couple of support requests, but 
not much forthcoming. They are aware of the problem, but not sure what is 
causing it.
 
Harvey
 
Sorry no help, just confirming someone else is indeed seeing the problem.



> Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 11:54:19 -0400> To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com> From: 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [H] Weird MSN messenger problem> > I've seen this 
> problem now on three machines, with both MSN Messenger > 7.5 and Live 
> Messenger (current version.) The login screen comes up, > but when you type 
> in the username box, nothing appears for about six > seconds, during which 
> time, the mouse pointer won't appear inside the > login box - in other words, 
> if yo move the mouse pointer across the > screen, it dissappears "behind" the 
> login box, and then reappears on > the other side. If you do get the username 
> and password typed in, > then it says it can't connect because the service 
> isn't > available. Anyone see this and have a solution? Uninstalling and > 
> reinstalling seems to work some of the time.> > T> 
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[H] Weird MSN messenger problem

[Thane Sherrington]

I've seen this problem now on three machines, with both MSN Messenger 
7.5 and Live Messenger (current version.)  The login screen comes up, 
but when you type in the username box, nothing appears for about six 
seconds, during which time, the mouse pointer won't appear inside the 
login box - in other words, if yo move the mouse pointer across the 
screen, it dissappears "behind" the login box, and then reappears on 
the other side.  If you do get the username and password typed in, 
then it says it can't connect because the service isn't 
available.  Anyone see this and have a solution?  Uninstalling and 
reinstalling seems to work some of the time.


T

Re: [H] Weird Thumb Drive Problem

[chuck]

- Original Message - 
From: "Wayne Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "The Hardware List" 
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 12:29 AM
Subject: Re: [H] Weird Thumb Drive Problem




I've never seen this before & you would think I would with C, D being 
local HDs, E, F, & G being optical drives, H, I are mapped drives


Starting back in the Windows 95 days where the only drive other than the 
hard drive was a CD ROM and possibly a Zip Drive, I assigned the Drive 
Letter R to all CD ROMS and when there were two optical drives I assigned Q 
to the writer. I did this for all computers I worked on and for all new 
computers I built. I explaned to my customers that the future would bring 
additional drives and there should be plenty of space between the group, 
A,B,C,D etc. and R for those additional drives. This would ensure that the 
optical drives never got reassigned due to adding other drives in the 
future.


That decision was badly needed and the timing on it was perfect. Now we have 
jump drives, external hard drives and card readers, just to name a few. So 
far I have not seen any computer I assigned optical drive letters of Q 
and/or R run out of lower letters and the optical drive have to be bumped up 
in the alphabet.


Most of the Windows 95 computers I assigned the CD ROM drive to R did not 
remain in use so long that they needed that space between D and Q. The 
customers got use to the arrangement and the transition to a new computer 
was easy, if they had me build their next new computer. This is just one of 
the many things I have done over the years to keep things simple and require 
less changes to adapt to new drives and technologies.


Now to the subject at hand. Is it easier for a thumb drive to simply take an 
open Letter Assignment if it does not have to bump an optical drive up a 
letter?


Chuck 

Re: [H] Weird Thumb Drive Problem

[Winterlight]

Could it be possible that I have something else mapped to L and it doesn't 
show up in explorer? I remember once trying to map a web drive or some 
crap that some student had me fooling with. It never worked.


Typically what happens is you have local drives C D and E. You also have a 
mapped drive F. Then you put your thumb drive in and nothing happens, but 
if you look in device manager it is there... but not in explorer. The 
solution is to assign it a drive ..Y.


Do do you see it in Device Manager?

Re: [H] Weird Thumb Drive Problem

[Anthony Q. Martin]

HmmI have one mapped drive as z:and I have a 5-in-1 card reader 
which takes up several drive letters.
So the two opticals are D and E, then I have 4 removables (media card 
reader) which takes up F, G, H, and I.  Then my back up firewire HD is K, so 
this guy should come in a L.  The mapped drive is z.  I can actually have to 
it as L, too.  But I can't get Explorer to see it.


Could it be possible that I have something else mapped to L and it doesn't 
show up in explorer? I remember once trying to map a web drive or some crap 
that some student had me fooling with. It never worked.


Winterlight wrote:
:: Do you have any mapped drives? If you are using a mapped drive where
:: your next local drive should be then the portable drive won't appear
:: in explorer because the drive letter is being used. It's a bug they
:: have never fixed in windows.
::
::
:: At 12:55 PM 9/26/2006, you wrote:
::: OkayI plug in a thumb drive into a USB port.  I hear the
::: characteristic sound that lets you know the system recognizes it.
::: Yet, if I open My Computer or Explorer I don't find the drive,
::: hence I can't copy to it. If I open an app, and do a File | Save
::: operation, I can usually find it. But that won't work if I want to
::: copy an either folder to the thumb drive.  Even a Right Click |
::: Send To won't work.
:::
::: What gives? 

Re: [H] Weird Thumb Drive Problem

[Anthony Q. Martin]

Thane Sherrington wrote:
:: At 04:55 PM 26/09/2006, Anthony Q. Martin wrote:
::: OkayI plug in a thumb drive into a USB port.  I hear the
::: characteristic sound that lets you know the system recognizes
::: it.  Yet, if I open My Computer or Explorer I don't find the drive,
::: hence I can't copy to it. If I open an app, and do a File | Save
::: operation, I can usually find it. But that won't work if I want to
::: copy an either folder to the thumb drive.  Even a Right Click | Send
::: To won't work.
::: 
::: What gives?
:: 
:: Did you check Drive Management and see if it's formatted?
:: 
:: T


Oh, yes.  I have been using it for a while now.

RE: [SPAM SUSPECT] Re: [H] Weird Thumb Drive Problem

[Bobby Heid]

Also, you might be able to set a drive letter in the disk manager.

Bobby

-Original Message-
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thane Sherrington
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 4:11 PM
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At 04:55 PM 26/09/2006, Anthony Q. Martin wrote:
>OkayI plug in a thumb drive into a USB port.  I hear the 
>characteristic sound that lets you know the system recognizes 
>it.  Yet, if I open My Computer or Explorer I don't find the drive, 
>hence I can't copy to it. If I open an app, and do a File | Save 
>operation, I can usually find it. But that won't work if I want to 
>copy an either folder to the thumb drive.  Even a Right Click | Send 
>To won't work.
>
>What gives?

Did you check Drive Management and see if it's formatted?

T 

Re: [H] Weird Thumb Drive Problem

[Thane Sherrington]

At 04:55 PM 26/09/2006, Anthony Q. Martin wrote:
OkayI plug in a thumb drive into a USB port.  I hear the 
characteristic sound that lets you know the system recognizes 
it.  Yet, if I open My Computer or Explorer I don't find the drive, 
hence I can't copy to it. If I open an app, and do a File | Save 
operation, I can usually find it. But that won't work if I want to 
copy an either folder to the thumb drive.  Even a Right Click | Send 
To won't work.


What gives?


Did you check Drive Management and see if it's formatted?

T 

Re: [H] Weird Thumb Drive Problem

[Winterlight]

Do you have any mapped drives? If you are using a mapped drive where your 
next local drive should be then the portable drive won't appear in explorer 
because the drive letter is being used. It's a bug they have never fixed in 
windows.



At 12:55 PM 9/26/2006, you wrote:
OkayI plug in a thumb drive into a USB port.  I hear the 
characteristic sound that lets you know the system recognizes it.  Yet, if 
I open My Computer or Explorer I don't find the drive, hence I can't copy 
to it. If I open an app, and do a File | Save operation, I can usually 
find it. But that won't work if I want to copy an either folder to the 
thumb drive.  Even a Right Click | Send To won't work.


What gives?

[H] Weird Thumb Drive Problem

[Anthony Q. Martin]

OkayI plug in a thumb drive into a USB port.  I hear the characteristic 
sound that lets you know the system recognizes it.  Yet, if I open My 
Computer or Explorer I don't find the drive, hence I can't copy to it. If I 
open an app, and do a File | Save operation, I can usually find it. But that 
won't work if I want to copy an either folder to the thumb drive.  Even a 
Right Click | Send To won't work.


What gives? 

Re: [H] Weird Mouse Problem

[chuck]

- Original Message - 
From: "Harvey Best" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Alt Cpu" 
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 9:39 PM
Subject: [H] Weird Mouse Problem


On my home desktop. Windows Xp Pro everything updated just suddenly 
started acting asif the mouse had gone bad. When you open a window, any


Very seldom is the problem hardware related, such as a bad PS/2 keyboard or 
mouse port. When it is, you can circumvent it (patch job) by using a USB 
keyboard or mouse.


As a technician I have found a very valuable diagnostic tool to be Windows 
98 installed on a small IDE hard drive. Windows 98 will load in Safe Mode on 
most any IBM compatible computer. Just unhook your hard drive and hook up 
the hard drive containing Windows 98. If you are using a SATA hard drive, 
there is no need to unhook it. Most computers try first to boot to an IDE 
hard drive if one is hooked up.


Hit F8 and select Safe Mode. Once Windows 98 is loaded in Safe Mode you will 
have use of your mouse and keyboard. If your mouse and keyboard work here 
(but did not work in Windows XP) there is nothing wrong that a format and 
reinstall job will not fix. I just fixed a keyboard problem yesterday by 
formatting and reinstalling. I tried the built in Windows XP Restore thingy 
but that did not solve the problem.


So here we go again, the patch 'em up team who loves to "fix" Windows 
screaming, "Do not format! Fix it!" And we on the format and reinstall team, 
"Don't tune it up, just replace the engine! (Windows XP). This sounds like 
the Democrats and Republicans, doesn't it?


The only thing I kick myself for is fooling around trying to fix it for a 
few minutes before going ahead with the format and reinstall job. When the 
internal Restore thingy works, it goes home and comes back a week later with 
the same problem. The results of most patch jobs are the same.


Chuck