Migration to RMM from Zara

2005-08-23 Thread Mark Wilson
Hi,
 
I am in the process of migrating a system from Zara to DFSMSrmm on a zOS 1.4
system.
 
I have a question re HSM and ARCTVEXT.
 
We are currently running the Zara version of ARCTVEXT and understand that
when we go to RMM in Production I will no longer need the exit as the
interface is now handled by the EDGTVEXT interface.
 
What I need to understand is what do I do whilst I am running Zara  RMM in
parallel?
 
Do I need a:
 
*   ARCTVEXT router exit to call the Zara ARCTVEXT and then RMM
ARCTEVEXT; if required I would only need the RMM version whilst in parallel?
*   Just the Zara ARCTVEXT and RMM will be updated via the EDGTVEXT
interface?
*   Or something completely different?
 
Any help gratefully received.
 
Kind Regards
Mark Wilson
 
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Re: Need RACF help defining lowercase ID

2005-08-23 Thread Paul Gilmartin
In a recent note R.S. said:

 Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 21:52:00 +0200
 ...   Remember: the
 goal is to install ControlM, not to create lowercase userid. However
 thread author asked about lowercase useid, but he really needed help to
 install ControlM. He didn't express it, maybe even didn't realised it,
 nevermind.

 Remember supervisor state and CICS application program thread ? It was
 very similar situation. Supervisor state was not needed and didn't
 solved the real problem.

 IMHO we should pay attention to the real nature of the problem, not
 literally the question asked.

And z/OS itself frequently loses sight of the real problem.  An example:

Background:  Our test systems share some DASD with our production system.
However, not all migration tape drives are connected to all test systems.
Therefore we run HSM only on the production system.

The problem:  I submit a batch job to one test system.  Shortly, I
notice that one step is stalled:

B00474 *0041 ARC0055A REPLY 'GO' OR 'CANCEL'

This oughtn't be a problem.  I log on to the production system and do
DSLIST Info on the data set.  It swiftly recalls, and I return to the
test system:

/0041,GO

Alas, Conway's Law asserts its pernicious influence:

 IEE600I REPLY TO 0041 IS;GO
 ARC0050A DFSMSHSM IS NOT ACTIVE - START DFSMSHSM
*0042 ARC0055A REPLY 'GO' OR 'CANCEL'

To what purpose?!  The real problem is to allocate the data set; starting
HSM is a subordinate task; irrelevant once the data set has been otherwise
recalled.  As I envision the current logic:

if migrated then

Retry:
if HSM inactive then
WTOR ARC0050A
if reply=='GO' then goto Retry
else fail
endif
endif

endif

... continue with allocation ...

The logic could be made right simply by moving the Retry: label from
if HSM inactive to if migrated, allowing detecting that the data
set is no longer migrated.  But z/OS has focused too literally on the
question of activating HSM, and forgotten the goal of allocating the
data set.

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Re: Negative implications to performance due to scratch files pro cess

2005-08-23 Thread Vernooy, C.P. - SPLXM
Hello,

Maybe the problem is (partially) caused by converting the SYSVTOC Reserve. 
According to MVS Planning: Global Resource Serialization: SA22-7600, 
...  SYSVTOC is generally not a good candidate for reserve conversion
because reserves are of short duration and I/O intensive


Kees.


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news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
 Hello Bruce,
 
 this ASM module uses following macros: NAME (to locate), UCATDX (to
 descatlg) and SCRATCH (to delete).
 
 This 'long process' (12hour) is a batch that executes thousands of file
 deletes and it loads this module and it passes differents parameters.
 
 This module is prepared to execute different function with every paramater
 passed (delete scratch, hdelete, delete noscratch).
 
 We are converting SYSVTOC to global ENQ and we have an active VTOCIX on
the
 disk volume.
 
 Perhaps the 'bug' is at architecture of this module. We will revise it.
 
 
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Re: Negative implications to performance due to scratch files process

2005-08-23 Thread DMR-Qualitas Outsourcing
Hello Bruce,

this ASM module uses following macros: NAME (to locate), UCATDX (to
descatlg) and SCRATCH (to delete).

This 'long process' (12hour) is a batch that executes thousands of file
deletes and it loads this module and it passes differents parameters.

This module is prepared to execute different function with every paramater
passed (delete scratch, hdelete, delete noscratch).

We are converting SYSVTOC to global ENQ and we have an active VTOCIX on the
disk volume.

Perhaps the 'bug' is at architecture of this module. We will revise it.


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Re: Negative implications to performance due to scratch files pro cess

2005-08-23 Thread DMR-Qualitas Outsourcing
Hello,

yes but we can't have any reserve due to Hyperswap (GDPS feature) and
therefore all reserves must be converted to ENQ.

Tks for your help

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DFHSTUP abend

2005-08-23 Thread Mehrdad Rastegar
Hi all,

While running DUMPXY procedure to format SMF records,sometimes i encounter 
these abends in module DFHSTUP and i lose all outputs:


N 400 CPAC 05234 22:29:33.55 STC01564 0090  $HASP373 DUMPXY   
STARTED
 N 000 CPAC 05234 22:29:33.56 STC01564 0090  IEF403I DUMPXY - 
STARTED - TIME=22.29.33
 
 M 002 CPAC 05234 22:30:16.96 STC01564 0090  IEA995I SYMPTOM DUMP 
OUTPUT 361
 D 361 0090USER COMPLETION 
CODE=0001 REASON CODE=00D5
 D 361 0090   TIME=22.30.14  
SEQ=13787  CPU=  ASID=0069
 D 361 0090   PSW AT TIME OF ERROR  
078D1000   800217AC  ILC 2  INTC 0D
 D 361 0090 ACTIVE LOAD MODULE  
 ADDRESS=60E8  OFFSET=0001B6C4
 D 361 0090 NAME=DFHSTUP
 D 361 0090 DATA AT PSW  
000217A6 - 00181610  0A0D947F  42FC58E0
 D 361 0090 GPR  0-3  8400  
8401  00D5  800205C8
 D 361 0090 GPR  4-7  00094020  
000215C7  000225C6  8002180A
 D 361 0090 GPR  8-11 000217F4  
    00096C20
 D 361 0090 GPR 12-15   
00094020  8002178A  00D5
 E 361 0090   END OF SYMPTOM DUMP
 M 000 CPAC 05234 22:30:16.97 STC01564 0090  IEF450I DUMPXY DUMPXY 
- ABEND=S000 U0001 REASON=00D5 362
 E 362 0090  TIME=22.30.16
 
N 000 CPAC 05234 22:30:17.05 STC01564 0090  IEF404I DUMPXY - ENDED 
- TIME=22.30.17
 N 400 CPAC 05234 22:30:17.05 STC01564 0090  $HASP395 DUMPXY   ENDED


Could you please tell me why these abends happen?

this is our DUMPXY procedure:

//DUMPXY  PROC DSNAME=NULLFILE  0001
//**00012000
//*  STEP 1: UNLOAD DATA FROM THE SMF DATA SETS 00013000
//**00014000
//SMFDUMP  EXEC PGM=IFASMFDP00015000
//INDD1 DD DSN=SYS1.MAN1,DISP=SHR,AMP=('BUFSP=65536')   00016000
//INDD2 DD DSN=SYS1.MAN2,DISP=SHR   00017000
//INDD3 DD DSN=SYS1.MAN3,DISP=SHR   00018000
//OUTDD1DD DSN=USER.SMF.DATA,DISP=(SHR,CATLG),  00019000
// SPACE=(CYL,(50,10)),UNIT=SYSDA   00019100
//SYSPRINT  DD SYSOUT=A 00019200
//SYSIN DD DSN=BSISYS.SYSTEM.JOBS(CICSTAT),DISP=SHR 00019300
//**00033100
//JUP  EXEC PGM=DFHJUP  00033200
//STEPLIB   DD DSN=CICS410.SDFHLOAD,DISP=SHR00033300
//SYSUT1DD DSN=USER.SMF.DATA,DISP=SHR   00033400
//SYSUT4DD DSN=SMFSTATS,DISP=(NEW,PASS),UNIT=SYSDA,   00033500
// SPACE=(CYL,(30,10))  00033600
//SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=A  00033700
//SYSIN DD DSN=BSISYS.SYSTEM.JOBS(CICSTAT2),DISP=SHR00033900
//**00035000
//STUP1EXEC PGM=DFHSTUP,REGION=32M  00035100
//STEPLIB  DD DSN=CICS410.SDFHLOAD,DISP=SHR 00035300
// DD DSN=CICS410.SDFHAUTH,DISP=SHR 00035400
//DFHSTATS  DD DSN=USER.SMF.DATA,DISP=SHR   00035600
//DFHSTWRK  DD UNIT=SYSDA,SPACE=(CYL,(8,4)) 00035700
//SORTWK01  DD UNIT=SYSDA,SPACE=(CYL,(4))   00035800
//SORTWK02  DD UNIT=SYSDA,SPACE=(CYL,(4))   00035900
//SORTWK03  DD UNIT=SYSDA,SPACE=(CYL,(4))   00036000
//SORTWK04  DD UNIT=SYSDA,SPACE=(CYL,(4))   00036100
//SORTWK05  DD UNIT=SYSDA,SPACE=(CYL,(4))   00036200
//DFHPRINT  DD SYSOUT=* 00036300
//SYSPRINT  DD SYSOUT=* 00036400
//SYSUDUMP  DD SYSOUT=* 00036500
//SYSABEND  DD SYSOUT=* 00036600
//SYSOUTDD SYSOUT=* 00036700
//SYSIN DD 

Re: Dead Beef

2005-08-23 Thread Chase, John
 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Ed Gould
 
 On Aug 22, 2005, at 10:38 PM, Steve Samson wrote:
 
  Kinda hard to create with hex digits...
 
 So convert madcow to hex.

Then it won't fit in a doubleword.

-jc-

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Re: Is this CICS (or are we having fun yet?)

2005-08-23 Thread Chase, John
 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Capomaestro
 
 [ snip ]
 
 No magic involved. The 'stump' is passed control with 
 appropriate R1 and R13 addresses once CICS determines it is 
 command level.
 
 Not trying to teach Granny to suck eggs but as previously 
 reported here, CICS 'inspects' the beginning of the load 
 module to determine if it is command level.

Why, then, do COBOL (e.g.) programs later than OS/VS COBOL run correctly
without having the DFH stub at the front of the load module?

-jc-

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Re: Dead Beef

2005-08-23 Thread Ed Finnell
 
In a message dated 8/23/2005 6:44:43 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Then it won't fit in a doubleword.






x'C2E4E3E340E2E3E4D7C9C4'

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Re: Dead Beef

2005-08-23 Thread McKown, John
 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Hanrahan
 Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 9:42 PM
 To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
 Subject: Re: Dead Beef
 
 
 FREEBEEF sounds good to me. Dead or alive doesn't matter to me. Dave
 Potter's dad owned balogna factory. Dave new all about dead 
 beef. Anyway
 thanks for being patient with my off topic posts.
 
 Gotta go. - Paul Hanrahan

Sorry, but no FREEBEEF. That is not a four byte hexadecimal value. Why
0xDEADBEEF? I think it is cute. But it might be even more interesting
to create an 8 byte hex value to load into a zSeries PSW. Also,
0xDEADBEEF is obvious junk because the instruction address is odd (as in
has the low order bit on, not strange, although it is strange as well).

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Re: DFHSTUP abend

2005-08-23 Thread Debbie Mitchell
M 002 CPAC 05234 22:30:16.96 STC01564 0090  IEA995I SYMPTOM 
DUMP OUTPUT 361
 D 361 0090USER COMPLETION 
CODE=0001 REASON CODE=00D5

The user abend is probably coming from your sort program.  Are there any 
messages from the sort that would indicate what the underlying error is?

Debbie Mitchell
Lead Systems Engineer
Utica National Insurance Group
New Hartford, NY

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Re: DFHSTUP abend

2005-08-23 Thread Lizette Koehler
Hi,

Just a couple of thoughts.

This is a user abend, so you probably need to look at the source for DFHSTUP
to see what will generate this failure.  My initial guess would be a field
it cannot handle.  If that were the case, then you could remove the
offending record.

Second, you are running  DFHSTUP against a set of SMF data. For details on
DFHSTUP and its control parameters see the CICS Operations and Utilities
Guide (SC34-5991 for CICS TS V2.2, SC33-1685 for CICS TS V1.3).

If you cannot find the source for DFHSTUP, you may need to go to the IBM
support center for CICS and ask them what a U0001 indicates.  Or go to the
CICS list server and check with them or scan their archives. 
 CICS List [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Lizette Koehler

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Do not reply to test msg please

2005-08-23 Thread Darren Evans-Young
Thank you.

Darren

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Re: Test

2005-08-23 Thread Ed Finnell
 
In a message dated 8/23/2005 9:02:23 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Got your  EMAIL, Robert..




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Re: Test

2005-08-23 Thread McGee, Cletus
I see you out there


Cletus McGee
Technical Sevices
  

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Subject: Test

Our LAN department has messed with the firewall and IBM List was not
working for a while. Can someone please confirm they got this e-mail?
Thanks all.


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Connecticut Student Loan Foundation
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Test

2005-08-23 Thread Robert Pelletier
Our LAN department has messed with the firewall and IBM List was not working 
for a while. Can someone please confirm they got this e-mail? Thanks all.


Bob Pelletier
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Re: Test

2005-08-23 Thread Foster, Leonard
Got your EMAIL, Robert..

Lenny Foster
Kemper Auto and Home
Jacksonville, Fl.
Office:  904.596.8476 
Cell: 904.338.7529 
Email:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 -Original Message-
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 Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 9:56
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 Subject: Test
 
 Our LAN department has messed with the firewall and IBM List was not
 working for a while. Can someone please confirm they got this e-mail?
 Thanks all.
 
 
 Bob Pelletier
 Connecticut Student Loan Foundation
 Rocky Hill, Connecticut
 
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Re: Test

2005-08-23 Thread Robert Pelletier
Thanks All. 


Bob 


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Re: Need RACF help defining lowercase ID

2005-08-23 Thread Pommier, Rex R.
The document is called INCONTROL for OS/390 and z/OS Installation
Guide and is dated October 11, 2004.  Page 156 under step 21.5 states
This user ID must be gcserv, specified with lowercase letters.  

That was the sentence that started this whole thread.  

Rex

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Pommier, Rex R. wrote:
 Thanks to all who responded - especially those who responded that I 
 can use an upper case userid.  The initial problem came from BMC's 
 documentation that stated this userid must be defined in lower case 
 and the contractor working for us confirming the (apparently 
 incorrect) documentation from BMC.  We went ahead and defined the 
 userid as uppercase and it is working fine.

 Rex


What book was this documented in?  We have been running Control-M for
years and have had no problems.

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Fileaid

2005-08-23 Thread Gerry Anstey
Hi Listers,

How do you get Fileaid to create and delete records in place for a VSAM
KSDS? I have RTFM'd but it is well hidden.

thanks
Gerry

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Fileaid

2005-08-23 Thread Gerry Anstey
I'm talking about batch of course!

Gerry
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Hi Listers,

How do you get Fileaid to create and delete records in place for a VSAM
KSDS? I have RTFM'd but it is well hidden.

thanks
Gerry

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Re: Fileaid

2005-08-23 Thread Kirk Talman
Not sure what you mean by in place?

We use SORT for that purpose, which requires a file with REUSE attribute 
and a work file.  When SORTs are used to update a file in place without 
using a work file, we call them suicide sorts.

One could also use IDCAMS for the record creation.

pup

Gerry Anstey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote 08/23/2005 10:41 AM

I'm talking about batch of course!

Gerry

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Hi Listers,

How do you get Fileaid to create and delete records in place for a VSAM 
KSDS? I have RTFM'd but it is well hidden.

thanks
Gerry



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PIF generated by OPC

2005-08-23 Thread cdmaslo
Hi,

I am trying to open PIF (Picture Interchange Format) generated by gddm
from OPC.

It contains all my jobs, but I am not able to view it on windows. I
tried many of viewers available, but no sucess.

Can some advice any viewer or convertor?

Thanks a lot,

Ales

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Re: Dead Beef

2005-08-23 Thread Bruce Black
Which brings up a question. I can only remember once in (20?) years 
that a ptf became available for ipl text.. can anyone remember more 
than one? 


Lots.  IEAIPL00 is the IPL text.  A quick search of IBMLINK finds 50 
hits, about 35 are APARs.  I only reviewed a few, but there are a number 
of changs to the IPL text.  The most recent was OA09050 from last 
December.  Some are very old.  IPL text can also be changed between z/OS 
versions (not a PTF). 


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Re: Negative implications to performance due to scratch files pro cess

2005-08-23 Thread Bruce Black



...  SYSVTOC is generally not a good candidate for reserve conversion
because reserves are of short duration and I/O intensive


That is true if you are using GRS Ring configuration (CTCs) but not if 
you are using GRS Star (CFs in a parallel sysplex)


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Re: Fileaid

2005-08-23 Thread Gerry Anstey
I want to open a new VSAM KSDS and write a record to it then delete the
record so that the file is empty but had it's Initial Load. I thought
that fileaid could do this as it does it in the online version fine, but I
want to set up a batch job. The initial load is easy enough but how can I
delete a record?

Looks like I'll have to knowck up a quick program to do it, it just had the
ring of something that can be done by fileaid or the like.

Gerry



   
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Not sure what you mean by in place?

We use SORT for that purpose, which requires a file with REUSE attribute
and a work file.  When SORTs are used to update a file in place without
using a work file, we call them suicide sorts.

One could also use IDCAMS for the record creation.

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I'm talking about batch of course!

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Hi Listers,

How do you get Fileaid to create and delete records in place for a VSAM
KSDS? I have RTFM'd but it is well hidden.

thanks
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Re: Dead Beef

2005-08-23 Thread Bruce Black
It has been a while but I seem to remember that if you use the DSN of 
FORMAT4.DSCB as your target it will ask permission of the operator and 
if granted, you will have access to the full volume (at which point 
you can use TTR control cards to get at the needed record to zap). 


I am pretty sure that FORMAT4.DSCB only allows AMASPZAP to zap the 
VTOC.  Likewise pointing SYSLIB to a dataset allows you to zap that 
dataset.  I don't recall any functoin that grants privileges to zap 
anywhere on the volume


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Free Balogna

2005-08-23 Thread Paul Hanrahan
Well no news on Dave Potter and his free balogna. 

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Re: auto reIPL

2005-08-23 Thread Richard Pinion
If would be even more useful if that function could be anonymously called from 
a non-authorized COBOL program!!!

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 8/23/2005 11:54:02 AM 
On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 17:40:31 -0400, Bruce Black [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

did anyone notice that the z9-109 announcement includes a function to
programatically reIPL the system (ala Windows/Intel RESTART).  No
indication that zOS will make use of this support.

Would a reIPL function/system command be a useful thing for z/OS?  Perhaps:

V XCF,SYSNAME,sysname,OFF,REIPL

...would do the standard VARY XCF OFF thing and then direct LPAR to reIPL
the same load parms as last time?

Thoughts?

Scott Fagen
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Re: auto reIPL

2005-08-23 Thread Scott Fagen
On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 17:40:31 -0400, Bruce Black [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

did anyone notice that the z9-109 announcement includes a function to
programatically reIPL the system (ala Windows/Intel RESTART).  No
indication that zOS will make use of this support.

Would a reIPL function/system command be a useful thing for z/OS?  Perhaps:

V XCF,SYSNAME,sysname,OFF,REIPL

...would do the standard VARY XCF OFF thing and then direct LPAR to reIPL
the same load parms as last time?

Thoughts?

Scott Fagen
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Re: Dead Beef

2005-08-23 Thread David Andrews
On Tue, 2005-08-23 at 11:53 -0400, Bruce Black wrote:
 I am pretty sure that FORMAT4.DSCB only allows AMASPZAP to zap the 
 VTOC.

I always assumed that SPZAP did RDJFCB, and when it noticed that you
specified FORMAT4.DSCB it did an OPENJ for X'040404...' (which is hard
to specify in JCL).

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Re: Dead Beef

2005-08-23 Thread Bob Halpern
DSN=X'0404

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On Tue, 2005-08-23 at 11:53 -0400, Bruce Black wrote:
 I am pretty sure that FORMAT4.DSCB only allows AMASPZAP to zap the 
 VTOC.

I always assumed that SPZAP did RDJFCB, and when it noticed that you
specified FORMAT4.DSCB it did an OPENJ for X'040404...' (which is hard
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Re: auto reIPL

2005-08-23 Thread Mark Zelden
On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 10:54:02 -0500, Scott Fagen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 17:40:31 -0400, Bruce Black [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

did anyone notice that the z9-109 announcement includes a function to
programatically reIPL the system (ala Windows/Intel RESTART).  No
indication that zOS will make use of this support.

Would a reIPL function/system command be a useful thing for z/OS?  Perhaps:

V XCF,SYSNAME,sysname,OFF,REIPL

...would do the standard VARY XCF OFF thing and then direct LPAR to reIPL
the same load parms as last time?

Thoughts?

Scott Fagen
z/OS Core Technology Design
IBM Poughkeepsie


I like it!
  ... except without the sysname twice ;-)

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Re: Dead Beef

2005-08-23 Thread Bruce Black



I always assumed that SPZAP did RDJFCB, and when it noticed that you
specified FORMAT4.DSCB it did an OPENJ for X'040404...' (which is hard
to specify in JCL).

absolutely correct.  X'0404' is the dataset name of the VTOC, so 
opening that sets the DEB extents to the extents of the VTOC.  An 
authorized program can change the DEB extents to access other tracks on 
the volume, but AMASPZAP does not so so.


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Re: Free Balogna

2005-08-23 Thread Ed Finnell
 
In a message dated 8/23/2005 11:12:39 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Well no  news on Dave Potter and his free balogna. 




whois.ibm.com only listed one David Potter in US. He might know
or know of. Don't eat bologna or SPAM!
 

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Re: PIF generated by OPC

2005-08-23 Thread Ed Finnell
 
In a message dated 8/23/2005 10:43:48 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

am  trying to open PIF (Picture Interchange Format) generated by gddm
from  OPC.




It's been a long while, but _www.irfanview.com_ (http://www.irfanview.com)  
is a freebe that
does pretty good on most formats. I looked for pif but couldn't
find it. Is .img, .tif, .jpg  or .bmp an optional  output? 

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Re: Dead Beef

2005-08-23 Thread Ed Gould

On Aug 23, 2005, at 11:28 AM, David Andrews wrote:


On Tue, 2005-08-23 at 11:53 -0400, Bruce Black wrote:

I am pretty sure that FORMAT4.DSCB only allows AMASPZAP to zap the
VTOC.


I always assumed that SPZAP did RDJFCB, and when it noticed that you
specified FORMAT4.DSCB it did an OPENJ for X'040404...' (which is 
hard

to specify in JCL).



David,

A *LONG* time ago it was done and IBM Accepted an APAR on it.

Ed

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Re: Is this CICS (or are we having fun yet?)

2005-08-23 Thread Capomaestro
On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 06:47:33 -0500, Chase, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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 [ snip ]

 No magic involved. The 'stump' is passed control with
 appropriate R1 and R13 addresses once CICS determines it is
 command level.

 Not trying to teach Granny to suck eggs but as previously
 reported here, CICS 'inspects' the beginning of the load
 module to determine if it is command level.

Why, then, do COBOL (e.g.) programs later than OS/VS COBOL run correctly
without having the DFH stub at the front of the load module?

-jc-

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Uhh, 'friendly' RTLs (and their descendent, LE)?

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LOAD BLDL

2005-08-23 Thread Richard Verville
I am attempting to LOAD a program which resides in a concatenation of a
ddname. I coded the DCB paramater to route the load accordingly. For
some reason, if the library is first on the concatenation it works fine,
underwise I can a not found condition, and the same happens with the
BLDL macro. Is this problem related to my DCB coding ? Richard

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Re: Dead Beef

2005-08-23 Thread Ed Gould

On Aug 23, 2005, at 10:46 AM, Bruce Black wrote:

Which brings up a question. I can only remember once in (20?) years 
that a ptf became available for ipl text.. can anyone remember more 
than one?


Lots.  IEAIPL00 is the IPL text.  A quick search of IBMLINK finds 50 
hits, about 35 are APARs.  I only reviewed a few, but there are a 
number of changs to the IPL text.  The most recent was OA09050 from 
last December.  Some are very old.  IPL text can also be changed 
between z/OS versions (not a PTF).

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Thanks for correcting my poor memory. I guess I have forgotten how many 
bypass I have put on SMP control cards over the years. And I have more 
than a fair share of finger checks.


Ed

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Re: PIF generated by OPC

2005-08-23 Thread Patrick . Falcone
You may want to dowload  irfanview and try to create/new the pif extension 
and associate it with jpeg. 

My computer/pictures/tools/folder options/file types/new/(in box file 
extention put) PIF/advanced/associated file type (jpeg)





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In a message dated 8/23/2005 10:43:48 A.M. Central Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

am  trying to open PIF (Picture Interchange Format) generated by gddm
from  OPC.




It's been a long while, but _www.irfanview.com_ (http://www.irfanview.com) 
 
is a freebe that
does pretty good on most formats. I looked for pif but couldn't
find it. Is .img, .tif, .jpg  or .bmp an optional  output? 

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Re: LOAD BLDL

2005-08-23 Thread Charles Mills
Sounds unlikely to me to be the DCB.

Are you sure the JCL is correct? Are you sure the load module is there?
g

Perhaps someone else knows for sure: there are or were some issues with
concatenations (for regular QSAM GET) if the subsequent concatenations
had BLKSIZEs greater than the first. You could try coding
BLKSIZE=longest BLKSIZE of any library in the concatenation on the
first DD.

Charles

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Subject: LOAD  BLDL

I am attempting to LOAD a program which resides in a concatenation of a
ddname. I coded the DCB paramater to route the load accordingly. For
some reason, if the library is first on the concatenation it works fine,
underwise I can a not found condition, and the same happens with the
BLDL macro. Is this problem related to my DCB coding ? Richard

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Re: Negative implications to performance due to scratch files pro cess

2005-08-23 Thread DMR-Qualitas Outsourcing
On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 11:51:48 -0400, Bruce Black [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:



...  SYSVTOC is generally not a good candidate for reserve conversion
because reserves are of short duration and I/O intensive


That is true if you are using GRS Ring configuration (CTCs) but not if
you are using GRS Star (CFs in a parallel sysplex)

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Is There a Way to Dynamically Add PUBLIC/STORAGE Volumes

2005-08-23 Thread Robert Pelletier
I have been asked to add 6 volumes to our PUB### storage pool which is used for 
temporary work files etc.
This is what VATLST00 has:
PUB003,0,1,3390,Y 

Do I have to schedule an IPL to have the system recognize them? Thanks once 
again to a great group.

   

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Re: Is There a Way to Dynamically Add PUBLIC/STORAGE Volumes

2005-08-23 Thread David Andrews
On Tue, 2005-08-23 at 14:34 -0400, Robert Pelletier wrote:
 This is what VATLST00 has:
 PUB003,0,1,3390,Y 
 Do I have to schedule an IPL to have the system recognize them?

No, just clip 'em and mount 'em public:

M ddd,VOL=(SL,PUB003),USE=PUBLIC

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ICKSADSF

2005-08-23 Thread Kluth.Chris
Does anyone put ICKSADSF, Standalone ICKDSF, to DASD (either exclusively
or in addition to tape)?  [Analogous to putting FDR's SA Restore program
on both Tape and DASD.]

I would imagine that putting ICKSADSF on DASD is 'do-able', but I don't
find any documentation for it.

If someone does put ICKSADSF on DASD, could that someone please provide
some sample JCL or cite the documentation?

By the way, if putting ICKSADSF on DASD is just not done, what would be
the reason/downside?

Thank you!

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Re: Is There a Way to Dynamically Add PUBLIC/STORAGE Volumes

2005-08-23 Thread McKown, John
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 Subject: Is There a Way to Dynamically Add PUBLIC/STORAGE Volumes
 
 
 I have been asked to add 6 volumes to our PUB### storage pool 
 which is used for temporary work files etc.
 This is what VATLST00 has:
 PUB003,0,1,3390,Y 
 
 Do I have to schedule an IPL to have the system recognize 
 them? Thanks once again to a great group.
 

 
 Bob Pelletier
 Connecticut Student Loan Foundation
 Rocky Hill, Connecticut

It depends

Are your public (work) volumes SMS managed? If so, then you must
initialize the volumes and put the new volsers in the appropriate
storage group (look to see if there are any extras in there already - we
tend to put non-existant volsers in our storage groups just for this
case).

If the work volumes are not SMS managed, then simply initialize them to
the appropriate volser, then issue a mount command for each of them
similar to:

MOUNT ,VOL=(SL,volser),USE=PUBLIC

where  is the device number and volser is the new volser, and
you're done. Oh, update the VATLSTnn member to include the new volsers
also.


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Re: LOAD BLDL

2005-08-23 Thread Richard Verville
The jcl is correct. I caused an 0C1 dump and see in the output the concat
addresses. If I direct the load towards the steplib (I moved the libraries
there) it works fine. Richard

Charles Mills wrote:

 Sounds unlikely to me to be the DCB.

 Are you sure the JCL is correct? Are you sure the load module is there?
 g

 Perhaps someone else knows for sure: there are or were some issues with
 concatenations (for regular QSAM GET) if the subsequent concatenations
 had BLKSIZEs greater than the first. You could try coding
 BLKSIZE=longest BLKSIZE of any library in the concatenation on the
 first DD.

 Charles

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 Subject: LOAD  BLDL

 I am attempting to LOAD a program which resides in a concatenation of a
 ddname. I coded the DCB paramater to route the load accordingly. For
 some reason, if the library is first on the concatenation it works fine,
 underwise I can a not found condition, and the same happens with the
 BLDL macro. Is this problem related to my DCB coding ? Richard

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Re: Fileaid

2005-08-23 Thread John Mycroft
If you're talking of fielaid or the like, Fantom Systems's DataMiner will
create a record in a KSDS and delete it.  In fact, it comes with a VSAM
interface that lets you load an empty KSDS without having to muck about
creating and deleting empty records - you just write to it.

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Re: ICKSADSF

2005-08-23 Thread McKown, John
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 Subject: ICKSADSF
 
 
 Does anyone put ICKSADSF, Standalone ICKDSF, to DASD (either 
 exclusively
 or in addition to tape)?  [Analogous to putting FDR's SA 
 Restore program
 on both Tape and DASD.]
 
 I would imagine that putting ICKSADSF on DASD is 'do-able', 
 but I don't
 find any documentation for it.
 
 If someone does put ICKSADSF on DASD, could that someone 
 please provide
 some sample JCL or cite the documentation?
 
 By the way, if putting ICKSADSF on DASD is just not done, 
 what would be
 the reason/downside?
 
 Thank you!
 

IIRC, the following JCL should create an IPLable DASD volume for
ICKSADSF. I have not tried it, but I think it is correct. Uh, change the
volser, OK? grin

//STEP001  EXEC  PGM=ICKDSF,
// REGION=2M
//SYSPRINT DD  SYSOUT=*
//IPLDDDD  DSN=SYS1.SAMPLIB(ICKSADSF),
// DISP=SHR
//SYSINDD  *
 REFORMAT DDNAME(IC2RS1) -
VERIFY(IC2RS1) -
IPLDD(IPLDD) BOOTSTRAP
/*
//IC2RS1   DD  DISP=OLD,
// UNIT=3390,
// VOL=SER=IC2RS1


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Re: LOAD BLDL

2005-08-23 Thread Binyamin Dissen
On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 14:13:32 -0400 Richard Verville
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:I am attempting to LOAD a program which resides in a concatenation of a
:ddname. I coded the DCB paramater to route the load accordingly. For
:some reason, if the library is first on the concatenation it works fine,
:underwise I can a not found condition, and the same happens with the
:BLDL macro. Is this problem related to my DCB coding ?

Unlikely.

What return codes are you getting from the load and BLDL?

Try with EXEC PGM= and the libraries as a steplib.

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Re: auto reIPL

2005-08-23 Thread Binyamin Dissen
On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 14:02:29 -0500 Bruno Sugliani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

:On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 10:54:02 -0500, Scott Fagen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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:Would a reIPL function/system command be a useful thing for z/OS?  Perhaps:

:V XCF,SYSNAME,sysname,OFF,REIPL

:...would do the standard VARY XCF OFF thing and then direct LPAR to reIPL
:the same load parms as last time?

:Thoughts?

:OH YEAH ! I love it

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Re: auto reIPL

2005-08-23 Thread Bruno Sugliani
On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 10:54:02 -0500, Scott Fagen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

Would a reIPL function/system command be a useful thing for z/OS?  Perhaps:

V XCF,SYSNAME,sysname,OFF,REIPL

...would do the standard VARY XCF OFF thing and then direct LPAR to reIPL
the same load parms as last time?

Thoughts?

OH YEAH ! I love it
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New ZOS redbook

2005-08-23 Thread Matthew Stitt
It's officially two days away from publication, but I found it.

z/OS Diagnostic Data Collection and Analysis -- SG24-7110

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Re: ICKSADSF

2005-08-23 Thread Bruce Black



Does anyone put ICKSADSF, Standalone ICKDSF, to DASD (either exclusively
or in addition to tape)?  [Analogous to putting FDR's SA Restore program
on both Tape and DASD.]

I would imagine that putting ICKSADSF on DASD is 'do-able', but I don't
find any documentation for it.


The ICKDSF 1.7 manual says:

Stand-Alone ICKDSF requires the following conditions or preparation when
you IPL (from tape, card reader, or via OMA on the ICKDSF CD-ROM): 

The latter refers to IPLing from the CD drive in the HMC.  This is a 
special type of IPL Process (you can't address the drive as an I/O 
device).  Apparently IBM provides a CD version of ICKDSF. 


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Re: LOAD BLDL

2005-08-23 Thread Richard Verville
The BLDL returns retcode=4,reason=0... If the libraries are in the steplib ...
it works ... It's when they are not in the steplib but pointed to another
ddname (pgmlist in my case) and the DCB parm is coded in the LOAD macro and
the BLDL points to the PGMLIST DCB it does not get the programs if they reside
in the 2nd, 3rd dsname  Richard

Binyamin Dissen wrote:

 On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 14:13:32 -0400 Richard Verville
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 :I am attempting to LOAD a program which resides in a concatenation of a
 :ddname. I coded the DCB paramater to route the load accordingly. For
 :some reason, if the library is first on the concatenation it works fine,
 :underwise I can a not found condition, and the same happens with the
 :BLDL macro. Is this problem related to my DCB coding ?

 Unlikely.

 What return codes are you getting from the load and BLDL?

 Try with EXEC PGM= and the libraries as a steplib.

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Re: LOAD BLDL

2005-08-23 Thread Tom Schmidt
Richard,

The file was open before the LOAD, right?  Was the concatenation a mix of
PDS and PDS/Es?  Or was it pure PDS (or pure PDSE)?

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On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 14:41:42 -0400, Richard Verville wrote:
The jcl is correct. I caused an 0C1 dump and see in the output the concat
addresses. If I direct the load towards the steplib (I moved the libraries
there) it works fine. Richard

Charles Mills wrote:

 Sounds unlikely to me to be the DCB.

 Are you sure the JCL is correct? Are you sure the load module is there?
 g

 Perhaps someone else knows for sure: there are or were some issues with
 concatenations (for regular QSAM GET) if the subsequent concatenations
 had BLKSIZEs greater than the first. You could try coding
 BLKSIZE=longest BLKSIZE of any library in the concatenation on the
 first DD.

 Charles

 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Richard Verville

 I am attempting to LOAD a program which resides in a concatenation of a
 ddname. I coded the DCB paramater to route the load accordingly. For
 some reason, if the library is first on the concatenation it works fine,
 underwise I can a not found condition, and the same happens with the
 BLDL macro. Is this problem related to my DCB coding ? Richard

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Re: ICKSADSF

2005-08-23 Thread Bruce Black



Check SAMPLIB. I always put ICKSADSF on MCAT vol and SAR on
TEMP volumes.

In my SAMPLIB I only find procedures for putting it on tape.  What 
member are you referring to.


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Re: ICKSADSF

2005-08-23 Thread Bruce Black



REFORMAT DDNAME(IC2RS1) -
   VERIFY(IC2RS1) -
   IPLDD(IPLDD) BOOTSTRAP

Sorry, no.  The ICKSADSF member does not contain bootstrap info in the 
format required by the BOOTSTRAP parameter.  The member does contain 
bootstrap data, but in a format suitable only for loading from a tape or 
card reader (80-byte records).  If you omit BOOTSTRAP, ICKDSF provides 
standard disk bootstrap info, but it would then try to load the ICKSADSF 
file and choke on the real bootstrap data. 


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Re: ICKSADSF

2005-08-23 Thread Ed Finnell
 
In a message dated 8/23/2005 1:41:37 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I would  imagine that putting ICKSADSF on DASD is 'do-able', but I don't
find any  documentation for it.

If someone does put ICKSADSF on DASD, could that  someone please provide
some sample JCL or cite the  documentation?




Check SAMPLIB. I always put ICKSADSF on MCAT vol and SAR on
TEMP volumes.

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Questions on ECB status when task abends

2005-08-23 Thread Vic Petrone
Hi,

I have a main task and subtask running. The main task has an ESTAE
established and the subtask has an ESTAI established. The subtask runs
asynchronously with the main task.

The main task is waiting on an ECB to be posted by an external event.
During this wait the subtask abends, the abend is trapped by the ESTAI
exit which then cleans up and percolates.

1) Will the main task's ESTAE exit now receives control even if it's still
waiting on the ECB?

2) If so, what is the status of the ECB that was being waited upon?

3) Can the main task's ESTAE exit retry and then re-issue the wait on this
ECB if it hasn't been posted yet?

Thanks very much,
Vic

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Re: LOAD BLDL

2005-08-23 Thread Richard Verville
The ddname is opened ... I can get the load  bldl to work if the pgm resides
in the first library on the ddname... I don't know if they are pds/pdse, there
are a lot of them, until I can verify that I would it's a mix... Richard

Tom Schmidt wrote:

 Richard,

 The file was open before the LOAD, right?  Was the concatenation a mix of
 PDS and PDS/Es?  Or was it pure PDS (or pure PDSE)?

 --
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 On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 14:41:42 -0400, Richard Verville wrote:
 The jcl is correct. I caused an 0C1 dump and see in the output the concat
 addresses. If I direct the load towards the steplib (I moved the libraries
 there) it works fine. Richard
 
 Charles Mills wrote:
 
  Sounds unlikely to me to be the DCB.
 
  Are you sure the JCL is correct? Are you sure the load module is there?
  g
 
  Perhaps someone else knows for sure: there are or were some issues with
  concatenations (for regular QSAM GET) if the subsequent concatenations
  had BLKSIZEs greater than the first. You could try coding
  BLKSIZE=longest BLKSIZE of any library in the concatenation on the
  first DD.
 
  Charles
 
  -Original Message-
  From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Richard Verville
 
  I am attempting to LOAD a program which resides in a concatenation of a
  ddname. I coded the DCB paramater to route the load accordingly. For
  some reason, if the library is first on the concatenation it works fine,
  underwise I can a not found condition, and the same happens with the
  BLDL macro. Is this problem related to my DCB coding ? Richard

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ESQA Storage leak.

2005-08-23 Thread Hal Merritt
Esteemed gurus:

 

We are a basic sysplex running z/os and z/os.e 1.4 on a z890-350. We
shifted most all of our work to z/os.e about a month ago and have
observed no ill effects.

 

But we are seeing a slow loss of ESQA on the z/os.e LPAR. The SHOWZOS
tool shows thousands of 'owner gone' entries. About half showing 112
bytes, the other 224 bytes. All that I can see are batch jobs.  Again,
there is nothing like this on the z/os LPAR. 

 

The jobs do not seem to have anything in common. Of the 3,800, there are
seven jobs that are unusual (only 32 bytes) include RMM reports, DB2
image copies, and DFDSS backup jobs. There are about two dozen entries
that have more then 224 bytes. 

 

I used TASID to view ESQA storage. I saw a few AQAT eye catchers, but
mostly hex zeros. 

 

The only common denominator I suspect so far is OW57231 and our job
scheduler. The job scheduler is a 'slave' or 'proxy' for the 'master'
running on the z/os LPAR. I have a query in to that vendor. 

 

Does this ring any bells with anyone? Any suggestions on how to isolate
the offending code? Anything to be added to my top ten suspects list?
Is there an RMF report that might be helpful? 

 

Thanks!! 

 

 


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Re: LOAD BLDL

2005-08-23 Thread Richard Verville
Oups, it has PS not PO Richard

Binyamin Dissen wrote:

 On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 15:19:34 -0400 Richard Verville
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 :The BLDL returns retcode=4,reason=0... If the libraries are in the steplib 
 ...
 :it works ... It's when they are not in the steplib but pointed to another
 :ddname (pgmlist in my case) and the DCB parm is coded in the LOAD macro and
 :the BLDL points to the PGMLIST DCB it does not get the programs if they 
 reside
 :in the 2nd, 3rd dsname  Richard

 Very interesting.

 What does the DCB macro look like?

 DSORG=PO?

 :Binyamin Dissen wrote:

 : On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 14:13:32 -0400 Richard Verville
 : [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 : :I am attempting to LOAD a program which resides in a concatenation of a
 : :ddname. I coded the DCB paramater to route the load accordingly. For
 : :some reason, if the library is first on the concatenation it works fine,
 : :underwise I can a not found condition, and the same happens with the
 : :BLDL macro. Is this problem related to my DCB coding ?

 : Unlikely.

 : What return codes are you getting from the load and BLDL?

 : Try with EXEC PGM= and the libraries as a steplib.

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Re: LOAD BLDL

2005-08-23 Thread Paul Gilmartin
In a recent note, Charles Mills said:

 Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 11:32:28 -0700
 
 Perhaps someone else knows for sure: there are or were some issues with
 concatenations (for regular QSAM GET) if the subsequent concatenations
 had BLKSIZEs greater than the first. You could try coding
 BLKSIZE=longest BLKSIZE of any library in the concatenation on the
 first DD.
 
Interestingly enough, IBM fixed that several years ago: BPAM
now uses the longest BLKSIZE, rather than the first.  (But does
CS use BPAM?)  Of course, there's always the possibility that
someone later wrote to the library, overriding with a BLKSIZE
less than the size of some block actually present in the
library.  But even that should result in an I/O error.  (Unless
the library is VIO.)

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Re: auto reIPL

2005-08-23 Thread Greg Saccomanno
I like it.  My shop could make use of a function like that if it worked in
a basic sysplex (no CF,  no need or $$ for one). Also, no unauthorized
program interface desired  :)

Greg

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Re: LOAD BLDL

2005-08-23 Thread Richard Verville
DSORG=PO did the job. Thanks everyone for your time on this one. Richard

Paul Gilmartin wrote:

 In a recent note, Charles Mills said:

  Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 11:32:28 -0700
 
  Perhaps someone else knows for sure: there are or were some issues with
  concatenations (for regular QSAM GET) if the subsequent concatenations
  had BLKSIZEs greater than the first. You could try coding
  BLKSIZE=longest BLKSIZE of any library in the concatenation on the
  first DD.
 
 Interestingly enough, IBM fixed that several years ago: BPAM
 now uses the longest BLKSIZE, rather than the first.  (But does
 CS use BPAM?)  Of course, there's always the possibility that
 someone later wrote to the library, overriding with a BLKSIZE
 less than the size of some block actually present in the
 library.  But even that should result in an I/O error.  (Unless
 the library is VIO.)

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Re: LOAD BLDL

2005-08-23 Thread Ted MacNEIL
if the subsequent concatenations
had BLKSIZEs greater than the first. You could try coding
BLKSIZE=longest BLKSIZE of any library in the concatenation on the
first DD.
...

That has NOT been required since ESA 3.1.0e


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Re: Is There a Way to Dynamically Add PUBLIC/STORAGE Volumes

2005-08-23 Thread Ted MacNEIL
I have been asked to add 6 volumes to our PUB### storage pool which is used 
for temporary work files etc.
This is what VATLST00 has:
PUB003,0,1,3390,Y 
...

Even non-SMS the answer is YES.
SMS makes the DASD go 'round!


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Re: Questions on ECB status when task abends

2005-08-23 Thread Jim Mulder
IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU wrote on 08/23/2005 
03:32:34 PM:

 Hi,
 
 I have a main task and subtask running. The main task has an ESTAE
 established and the subtask has an ESTAI established. The subtask runs
 asynchronously with the main task.
 
 The main task is waiting on an ECB to be posted by an external event.
 During this wait the subtask abends, the abend is trapped by the ESTAI
 exit which then cleans up and percolates.
 
 1) Will the main task's ESTAE exit now receives control even if it's 
still
 waiting on the ECB?
 
 2) If so, what is the status of the ECB that was being waited upon?
 
 3) Can the main task's ESTAE exit retry and then re-issue the wait on 
this
 ECB if it hasn't been posted yet?

  Abends are not percolated to the parent task under any circumstances,
so the answer to 1) is no.

  On the other hand, if you meant to ask about the main task's 
ETXR exit, the answer to 1) would be yes.  The ETXR runs as an IRB
which interrupts the waiting RB, and when the ETXR completed, the main
task would still be waiting on the ECB. 

Jim Mulder   z/OS System Test   IBM Corp.  Poughkeepsie,  NY

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Re: LOAD BLDL

2005-08-23 Thread Charles Mills
Thanks. I missed that. I knew it had not burned me in about 10 years.
That must be why. g

Charles

-Original Message-
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if the subsequent concatenations
had BLKSIZEs greater than the first. You could try coding
BLKSIZE=longest BLKSIZE of any library in the concatenation on the
first DD. ...

That has NOT been required since ESA 3.1.0e

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Re: auto reIPL

2005-08-23 Thread Jim Mulder
IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU wrote on 08/22/2005 
06:55:02 PM:

 On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 17:40:31 -0400, Bruce Black 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
 did anyone notice that the z9-109 announcement includes a function to
 programatically reIPL the system (ala Windows/Intel RESTART).  No
 indication that zOS will make use of this support.  Perhaps it is
 intended for Linux.
 
 I recall making that request of IBM (for MVS/ESA v5 at the time) around 
9-
 10 years ago, as an option of post-SADUMP processing.  The idea was that
 standalone dump could capture the information and then jump right into 
the
 IPL parms specified on the HMC to get things recovered more quickly.  I
 also suggested that SADUMP could perhaps detect (and dump) some 
conditions,
 presumably pre-selected and initiate SADUMP then reIPL to capture 
failures
 and get back up.

  And we did write a programming spec for that function around that time,
but never implemented it.  The idea was that the customer would specify 
a list of disabled wait state code/reason code combinations, and SADUMP
would be automatically initiated when those occurred.  And there would
be an option to have SADUMP start the MVS IPL when SADUMP completed.

  The has been some interest expressed in this item recently, and the
old spec has been located, but it remains to see whether the interest
is high enough to drive development funding.

Jim Mulder   z/OS System Test   IBM Corp.  Poughkeepsie,  NY 

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Re: Fileaid

2005-08-23 Thread Janek Jakubek

I want to open a new VSAM KSDS and write a record to it then delete the
record so that the file is empty but had it's Initial Load. I thought
that fileaid could do this as it does it in the online version fine, but I
want to set up a batch job. The initial load is easy enough but how can I
delete a record?


There is a utility KSDSINIT on CBT file 394 ...

hth ... Janek
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Re: Fileaid

2005-08-23 Thread Galambos, Robert
 
Hi

Gerry

To answer your question. You should be able to use UPDATE function on the
empty file. What this will do is open and then close the file. There should
be no need to actually create a record and delete as the only thing you need
is an open and close on the file.

Just as a side note. If you have any question like this feel free in
contacting our Hotline at 1-800-538-7822 (the call is free to clients who
are paying maintenance).

 


 
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I want to open a new VSAM KSDS and write a record to it then delete the
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fileaid could do this as it does it in the online version fine, but I want
to set up a batch job. The initial load is easy enough but how can I delete
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Not sure what you mean by in place?

We use SORT for that purpose, which requires a file with REUSE attribute and
a work file.  When SORTs are used to update a file in place without using
a work file, we call them suicide sorts.

One could also use IDCAMS for the record creation.

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I'm talking about batch of course!

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Hi Listers,

How do you get Fileaid to create and delete records in place for a VSAM
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Re: ICKSADSF

2005-08-23 Thread Ed Finnell
 
In a message dated 8/23/2005 2:09:23 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
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In my  SAMPLIB I only find procedures for putting it on tape.  What 
member  are you referring to.




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Re: Questions on ECB status when task abends

2005-08-23 Thread Binyamin Dissen
On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 14:32:34 -0500 Vic Petrone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

:I have a main task and subtask running. The main task has an ESTAE
:established and the subtask has an ESTAI established. The subtask runs
:asynchronously with the main task.

:The main task is waiting on an ECB to be posted by an external event.
:During this wait the subtask abends, the abend is trapped by the ESTAI
:exit which then cleans up and percolates.

:1) Will the main task's ESTAE exit now receives control even if it's still
:waiting on the ECB?

Only if STEP was specified.

:2) If so, what is the status of the ECB that was being waited upon?

Unchanged.

:3) Can the main task's ESTAE exit retry and then re-issue the wait on this
:ECB if it hasn't been posted yet?

Yes, but unless STEP was specified on the ABEND the ESTAE will not get
control.

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Re: ESQA Storage leak.

2005-08-23 Thread Rob Scott
Hal,

Have you seen the 'return' address from the GQE control block that
describes the chunk of ESQA? This is the return address of the module
that performed the GETMAIN - this may or may not be helpful.

plug
You can probably see this using the VSMDATA IPCS command - but a very
easy way to see it is using the GQE command from the freeware MXI
product. You can download MXI from www.rs.com.
/plug

HTH 

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Enterprise PL/I SYSDEFSD SYSXMLSD characteristics?

2005-08-23 Thread Charles Mills
Does anyone know the characteristics (lrecl and recfm) of the SYSDEFSD
and SYSXMLSD datasets that may be produced by the Enterprise PL/I
compiler? The documentation is apparently lacking.
 
Thanks,

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Auto re-IPL

2005-08-23 Thread Raymond Noal
OK, I would like to add my $0.02 to this thread.
 
soapbox
 
You may want to consider the old adage of be careful what you ask for, you
may get it may apply to this topic.
 
Consider if you will, something happened to z/OS that was sever enough to
cause a wait state and/or stand-alone dump to occur, what are the chances
that the system can be safely restarted without some investigation into the
matter.
My personal opinion is that z/OS is fairly bullet-proof and if something has
caused z/OS to throw its hands up in the air, maybe someone should look into
it first before trying to re-IPL.
 
There is a similar option in z/VM-land on the SHUTDOWN command to REIPL the
system automatically once the SHUTDOWN processing has completed. I have used
this REIPL option on the SHUTDOWN command several times when I wanted to
make some configuration change(s) only to discover that I caused a problem
for myself by overlooking one thing or another. The software did what I told
it to, but it was not smart enough to recover from my error. I have lost
spool files and named saved systems by doing this only because another copy
of a z/VM system volume was discovered during the IPL and this system's IPL
was not using the correct set of volumes. Like I said, this was my error and
not z/VM's. 

What if z/OS and JES2 decided to do a cold start on your auto re-IPL or
found the wrong copy of a system volume, PARMLIB, etc.?
 
/soapbox


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Re: ESQA Storage leak.

2005-08-23 Thread Bob Rutledge

Hal,

I too use MXI for this, but I start with the CSR command as that shows only 
orphaned CSA/SQA.  Rob not only does great work but he's a good guy to boot!


You can, however, use IPCS to look at your running system by specifying ACTIVE 
in option 0.


Then enter
ip verbx vsmdata 'owncomm detail all sortby(time)'
and scroll down to the bottom of the report.  Grab a coffee at this point.

Do a f ' og ' prev and look for something like

   Date   Time
ASID Job Name Id   St T Address  Length   Ret Addr MM/DD/ HH:MM:SS

0098 MMSQUITF S0888511 OG S 02A5F128 0048 0E0D9C80 08/23/2005 11:19:10
 Data -- E2D4C3D4 E3D6D2D5 0048 F5000B70  *SMCMTOKN5...*

The OG is owner gone and the S is SQA.  The Ret Addr is the address 
after the GETMAIN/STORAGE and that's your culprit.  Browse storage before the 
shown address until you see an eyecatcher and then call the vendor.


(In the sample, it's STK's silo software and it's a known issue we're getting 
ready to address.)


Bob

Rob Scott wrote:

Hal,

Have you seen the 'return' address from the GQE control block that
describes the chunk of ESQA? This is the return address of the module
that performed the GETMAIN - this may or may not be helpful.

plug
You can probably see this using the VSMDATA IPCS command - but a very
easy way to see it is using the GQE command from the freeware MXI
product. You can download MXI from www.rs.com.
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Re: auto reIPL

2005-08-23 Thread Bruno Sugliani
On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 22:05:46 +0300, Binyamin Dissen
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:OH YEAH ! I love it

How will the shutdown procedures, i.e., stopping CICS and DB2, flushing SMF
buffers and the SYSLOG, etc. be invoked?

Well today we do that through SAO and we need a not anymore supported
AOM on a soon not anymore supported OS/2 on a very old PC to handle the IPL .
( very difficult to get a new PC that can run OS/2 + AOM  and run properly )
IBM did not come with a replacement for AOM , and the other way is to write
some code and use the HMC/SAO API ( but so far we have been failing to make
the SAO / HMC thing work consistently ) .
Having no operators since years , I definitely prefer a V XCF,xyz,reipl
command  that we  would put in our SAO procs .
Now i am also looking for any software running on a PC and able to talk to
the HMC and IPL ... I could then get rid of my old AOM  .
Bruno
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Re: Enterprise PL/I SYSDEFSD SYSXMLSD characteristics?

2005-08-23 Thread john gilmore

Charles,

Look at Chapter 15, Using the SAX Parser, in Enterprise PL/I for z/OS  
Programming Guide Version 3 Release 4, SC27-1457-04.


There are no interestinbg restrictions on 'DCB' characteristics.  I have 
even invoked the parser from a CICS AP.


You will also perhaps do better with this and similar questions by 
addressinbg them to the PL/I list.


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Re: Enterprise PL/I SYSDEFSD SYSXMLSD characteristics?

2005-08-23 Thread Charles Mills
Thanks, John. There's nothing in the SAX parser section. The remainder
of the books repeats the information I have in the 3.2 books.

I would like something more definitive than assuming that the absence of
documented restrictions means the absence of restrictions (absence of
evidence and evidence of absence and all that).

I know there's a PL/I list somewhere. I hope not to have very many (any
more?) questions like this.

Charles

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Charles,

Look at Chapter 15, Using the SAX Parser, in Enterprise PL/I for z/OS  
Programming Guide Version 3 Release 4, SC27-1457-04.

There are no interestinbg restrictions on 'DCB' characteristics.  I have

even invoked the parser from a CICS AP.

You will also perhaps do better with this and similar questions by 
addressinbg them to the PL/I list.

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Fw: Enterprise PL/I SYSDEFSD SYSXMLSD characteristics?

2005-08-23 Thread Bill Klein
Sounds to me as if you should do an RCF against:

 http://publibfp.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr/BOOKS/ibm3pg30/1.4.2.2 

I certainly can't find the required information here (or anywhere else in
the Enterprise Pl/I V3R4 documentation)

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 Does anyone know the characteristics (lrecl and recfm) of the SYSDEFSD
 and SYSXMLSD datasets that may be produced by the Enterprise PL/I
 compiler? The documentation is apparently lacking.
  
 Thanks,
 
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Re: auto reIPL

2005-08-23 Thread Shane Ginnane
Scott wrote on 24/08/2005 01:54:02 AM:

 Would a reIPL function/system command be a useful thing for z/OS?
Perhaps:

 V XCF,SYSNAME,sysname,OFF,REIPL

 ...would do the standard VARY XCF OFF thing and then direct LPAR to reIPL
 the same load parms as last time?

 Thoughts?

We have a shutdown task, but it's home-grown and things tend to need some
input to get the system down.
As such, the proposed command would have limited application here, but it
would have application elsewhere (see Brunos post), so there should be no
downside. So long as it queried the operator for confirmation similar to
the V XCF,xyz,OFF.

Bruno, I saw a flyer for a product called iPLeasy a while back; ran
shutdown/IPL from a web client.
Don't know about automating/scripting it. Couldn't find a hit on google -
maybe it was just vapourware.

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Re: Is There a Way to Dynamically Add PUBLIC/STORAGE Volumes

2005-08-23 Thread Ed Gould

On Aug 23, 2005, at 1:34 PM, Robert Pelletier wrote:

I have been asked to add 6 volumes to our PUB### storage pool which is 
used for temporary work files etc.

This is what VATLST00 has:
PUB003,0,1,3390,Y

Do I have to schedule an IPL to have the system recognize them? Thanks 
once again to a great group.





Just issue the m cuaddr,vol=(PUB###),use=public
or update your acs routines:)

Ed

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auto reIPL

2005-08-23 Thread Keith E. Moe
Would a reIPL function/system command be a useful thing for z/OS?  Perhaps:

V XCF,SYSNAME,sysname,OFF,REIPL

would do the standard VARY XCF OFF thing and then direct LPAR to reIPL
the same load parms as last time?

Thoughts?

Scott Fagen
z/OS Core Technology Design
IBM Poughkeepsie

What I've always disliked about V XFC,sysname,OFFLINE is that a System cannot 
take itself out of the Sysplex.  I've always wanted a 
command like: V XFC,*,OFFLINE, followed by the confirmation WTOR.  Then it 
would tell all the other systems in the Sysplex it was going away 
and would wait state itself.




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Re: auto reIPL

2005-08-23 Thread Gabriel Tully
On 8/23/05, Keith E. Moe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 What I've always disliked about V XFC,sysname,OFFLINE is that a System 
 cannot take itself out of the Sysplex.

Last time I tried it could.  Although, I didn't think it was good form
if you have other systems up in the plex from which the XCF command
could be issued.

Gabe

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Re: Dead Beef

2005-08-23 Thread Robert A. Rosenberg

At 11:53 -0400 on 08/23/2005, Bruce Black wrote about Re: Dead Beef:


I am pretty sure that FORMAT4.DSCB only allows AMASPZAP to zap the
VTOC.  Likewise pointing SYSLIB to a dataset allows you to zap that
dataset.  I don't recall any functoin that grants privileges to zap
anywhere on the volume


OOPS - You're right. I DID say my memory might be faulty. That 
FORMAT4.DSCB trick was for ZAPPING the VTOC not getting access to the 
full Volume.


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TCPIP abend.

2005-08-23 Thread CNARAYAN
Hi



We are using ZOS 1.4 OS with CS V1R4. We are getting frequently TCPIP
abend and due to this we have to recycle TCPIP or reIPL the system to
connect to the network. Can any one help us to resolve this issue
permanently? If any PTFs required, please inform us the same.



TCPIP abend which we are getting.

-

EZZ4215I TCP/IP ABEND - DUMPING

IEA794I SVC DUMP HAS CAPTURED:  643

DUMPID=009 REQUESTED BY JOB (TCPIP   )

DUMP TITLE=TCPIPV1R4 : Job(TCPIP   ) EZBITSCU(UQ75661 03.

   2)+001876 S4C5/74BF0402 TCB P=0040,S=0040,H=0040

IEA995I SYMPTOM DUMP OUTPUT  644

SYSTEM COMPLETION CODE=4C5  REASON CODE=74BF0402

 TIME=08.39.00  SEQ=00336  CPU=  ASID=0040

 PSW AT TIME OF ERROR  076C1000   887C4BB6  ILC 2  INTC 0D

   ACTIVE LOAD MODULE   ADDRESS=087AC448  OFFSET=0001

   NAME=EZBTIINI

   DATA AT PSW  087C4BB0 - 58F0B048  0A0D5880  701C5080

   AR/GR 0: /0866B000   1: /844C5000

 2: /   3: 0A001918/0866B430

 4: 087AF545/0984D650   5: 087AE546/098493C8

 6: 087AD547/0863B000   7: 8A0051C4/0866DFF8

 8: 6DB8/0905A018   9: 8A0051FA/0863B564

 A: /   B: /087C57DC

 C: /0866DFF8   D: /0863B650

 E: /08668000   F: /74BF0402

 END OF SYMPTOM DUMP



Thanks and regards,



C Narayan







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Re: Migration to RMM from Zara

2005-08-23 Thread Michael W. Moss
You're correct that EDGTVEXT replaces ARCTVEXT and that is the way forward
for the target DFSMSrmm environment.

To maintain DFSMShsm consistency when running DFSMSrmm and Zara in
parallel you will need to call the respective exits in turn.  Therefore as
Zara is in control, this ARCTVEXT exit will need to run as per normal to
maintain DFSMShsm and Zara consistency, but a straightforward stub/link
will be required to then call the EDGTVEXT exit to pass the same
parameters to DFSMSrmm, maintaining DFSMShsm and DFSMSrmm consistency.

BTW, this has worked for me on previous DFSMSrmm migrations, as most Tape
Management Subsystems have their own iterations of ARCTVEXT to maintain
DFSMShsm consistency.

Regards, MWM.

On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 08:33:47 +0100, Mark Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi,

I am in the process of migrating a system from Zara to DFSMSrmm on a zOS
1.4
system.

I have a question re HSM and ARCTVEXT.

We are currently running the Zara version of ARCTVEXT and understand that
when we go to RMM in Production I will no longer need the exit as the
interface is now handled by the EDGTVEXT interface.

What I need to understand is what do I do whilst I am running Zara  RMM
in
parallel?

Do I need a:

* ARCTVEXT router exit to call the Zara ARCTVEXT and then RMM
ARCTEVEXT; if required I would only need the RMM version whilst in
parallel?
* Just the Zara ARCTVEXT and RMM will be updated via the EDGTVEXT
interface?
* Or something completely different?

Any help gratefully received.

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Re: Dead Beef

2005-08-23 Thread mark . van-der-eynden
On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 22:59:43 -0400, Robert A. Rosenberg
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At 11:53 -0400 on 08/23/2005, Bruce Black wrote about Re: Dead Beef:


OOPS - You're right. I DID say my memory might be faulty. That
FORMAT4.DSCB trick was for ZAPPING the VTOC not getting access to the
full Volume.

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But no real problem, all you need to do is create your own IPL text and
write it.

And while you are there, why just create a wait state, why not write
something more meaningful to all NIPcons? Like Dead Beef Jerky? (sorry)

And every greybeard knows how to do that. (and I never understood Dos's
x'FFF' until one day someone told me it stood for 'Fun Fun Fun'.)

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