Is there any XML parser available on z/OS ?

2005-09-26 Thread CAPRON Romain
Hello,

 

I would like to know if there is an XML parser available on z/OS?

Thanks a lot in advance for your help,

 

Romain

 


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Re: Is there any XML parser available on z/OS ?

2005-09-26 Thread Roger Lowe
On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 10:58:15 +0200, CAPRON Romain
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I would like to know if there is an XML parser available on z/OS?

Romain,
  Have a look at

http://www-03.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/software/xml/

Hope that helps.

Roger

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Re: Short term paging spike

2005-09-26 Thread Barbara Nitz
We see such spikes caused by the WMQI Broker (or what is called these
days). At startup, it allocates a huge amount of storage (0.6 GB) per
address space (4 or 5), which is paged out for 90% after some time.

Caused us an aux storage shortage. And a subsequent haggle with IBM, as
their LE defaults are a mess (HEAP, HEAPPOOLS). Ever noticed the amount of
FREF pages?

Regards, Barbara Nitz

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RMF PM Java Edition

2005-09-26 Thread Perryman, Brian
Hi folks

Anyone know where I can download the latest version of this, (which I believe 
has been updated during 2005 - I know it's in the RMF libs, but I want the 
latest version).

I can't get the web link to work, I get page not found. Is it on an FTP server 
somewhere?

Cheers

Brian
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Re: Chinese character code table.

2005-09-26 Thread Chris. Lee

In last two days, I got a lot of reply from you.

Charles' reply helps me to find the sample of IBM Simplified Chinese 
Graphic Character Set DBCS-Host and DBCS-PC for 1993 version from below 
link.  Now I need the IBM Simplified Chinese Graphic Character Set of 
DBCS-Host and DBCS-PC for 1997 version.


Does anyone know where can I find it?

Thanks in advance for all your helps.

Best regards,
Chris.




Date:Sat, 24 Sep 2005 10:24:33 -0700
From:Charles Mills [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Chinese character code table

There are many:
http://www-03.ibm.com/servers/eserver/iseries/software/globalization/codepag
es.html

Charles



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Does anyone know where can I find the IBM Z/OS Chinese character code table?

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Re: IPCS WHERE and OUTTRAP

2005-09-26 Thread Barbara Nitz
Go through a SYSTRACE and parse out the trace entries of interest,
then do IP WHERES on the PSW addresses to get the displacements in the
modules. Generate side by side listing of trace entry, psw address, r15,
r0, r1 and the module name and displacement.

That is one thing I had written a verbx for when I was IBM. It helped to
analyze loops and performance problems. It would have been nice to have an
IPCS command that does the IPCS WHEREs automatically, taking into account if
the psw is in private of an address space that is not dumped or for sadumps
use the correct settings for the xmem environment (for addresses in
private). That still leaves the task of manually doing the offset findings
in the huge lmods like iefw21sd or igdzilla or (heaven help) libnotes or
dsmc...

Some have suggested that we add an option to WHERE,
filtering based on data type. The most common filter that has been
proposed is a MODULE data type filter. It would be interesting to hear
opinions on this suggestion from regular IBM-MAIN contributers

I am not sure I understand what is proposed here. What would a module data
type filter do to WHERE (or systrace)?

As for GFS traces - in IBM Germany we had someone writing a COBOL program to
do that analysis for us (I had the dubious honour of fixing a bug in it - my
one and only forray into Cobol). I know that IBM P'keepsie has a similar
tool to do the analysis. It would be nice to get that (or something similar)
incorporated into IPCS - saves the ingenious editing via IPCS print file
that I usually do.)

Regards, Barbara Nitz

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Re: RMF PM Java Edition

2005-09-26 Thread Norbert Friemel
On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 11:59:58 +0100, Perryman, Brian wrote:


Anyone know where I can download the latest version of this, (which I
believe has been updated during 2005 - I know it's in the RMF libs, but I
want the latest version).

I can't get the web link to work, I get page not found. Is it on an FTP
server somewhere?


The l is missing. (pmweb.htm - pmweb.html)

Try:
http://www-03.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/zos/rmf/rmfhtmls/pmweb/pmweb.html#code

Last update: December 21, 2004 (RMF PM Version 2.4.20)

Norbert Friemel

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Re: Some questions about cross memory services

2005-09-26 Thread mary george
John can u pass   James Antognini article ?

John Krew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:After reading up on cross-memory services 
(Extended Addressability Guide and the James Antognini
article), I have the following questions:

1. Assuming I want to connect only selected address spaces to the service 
address space (via
non-system LX):

a. to execute the ATSET and ETCON macros in the user's address space (assuming 
the
user runs in problem
state) I will have to create an additional PC routine to check authorization and
issue those macros on behalf of
the user.

b. that additional PC routine will have to be based on a system LX, otherwise I 
will
enter a logical endless loop
()

c. in other words: I will need to reserve two LX's - one system, one non-system

My question is: is this worth it? Is this the customary way of doing things? Or 
for economy's sake
do people end up using a single system LX even for connection to selected 
address spaces (unless
those selected address spaces are in supervisor mode)?

2. When I getmain a global area in common storage to save the cross-memory info 
(PC numbers,
(dormant) system LX, etc.), in what key should I getmain it? What are the 
safe keys that people
are accustomed to using? (I gather from earlier discussions on this list that 
key 8 is a no-no.)

3. The notion and purpose of an EAX (as opposed to a simple AX) is not 
clearly elucidated in
either of the above papers
-- both more or less assume one already pretty much knows what it is and give 
it short shrift. Can
anyone point me to a more precise presentation of the EAX, or, alternatively, 
briefly explain in
this forum when and for what reason one would opt to reserve an EAX and specify 
it in the ETDEF
macro?

I am sure I will have some more questions but that's enough for now!

Thanks,
John Krew

p.s. also cross-posted to Assembler Discussion List

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Re: RMF PM Java Edition

2005-09-26 Thread Perryman, Brian
Well spotted Norbert!

That worked - many thanks!

Brian

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On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 11:59:58 +0100, Perryman, Brian wrote:


Anyone know where I can download the latest version of this, (which I
believe has been updated during 2005 - I know it's in the RMF libs, but I
want the latest version).

I can't get the web link to work, I get page not found. Is it on an FTP
server somewhere?


The l is missing. (pmweb.htm - pmweb.html)

Try:
http://www-03.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/zos/rmf/rmfhtmls/pmweb/pmweb.html#code

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Re: IPCS WHERE and OUTTRAP

2005-09-26 Thread Robert Wright
Barbara Nitz wrote on 09/26/2005 07:13:24 AM:


 Some have suggested that we add an option to WHERE,
 filtering based on data type. The most common filter that has been
 proposed is a MODULE data type filter. It would be interesting to hear
 opinions on this suggestion from regular IBM-MAIN contributers

 I am not sure I understand what is proposed here. What would a module
data
 type filter do to WHERE (or systrace)?


The key to understanding why a module filter has been proposed is that
WHERE produces a report describing multiple things containing a byte, but
it only returns a single best fit result via symbol X (or the WHERE
service parameter list).

A MODULE data type filter would tell WHERE that the invoker of the service
or the subcommand was only interested in modules containing the byte of
interest.  If you had the option in effect and pointed WHERE at offset 0 in
the CVT, the single piece of information returned via symbol X (or the
WHERE service parameter list) would name the nucleus CSECT containing the
byte instead of returning a description of STRUCTURE(CVT) whose origin
would yield a better fit.  The origin of the CSECT is a few bytes lower
than offeset 0 in the CVT to accomodate the CVT prefix.

In common parlance symbol X (and the WHERE service parameter list) do the
following:

1.  Unqualified questioners get the best available answer to What named
AREA, MODULE, or STRUCTURE contains that byte?

2.  Questioners asking about modules would only get  X set if a module
contained the byte.

As you and others have described what you'd like SYSTRACE to do, SYSTRACE
would use module filtering in its calls to the WHERE service routine
because it would want answers pertaining to modules and would not be
interested in answers pertaining to AREAs or STRUCTUREs.

Bob Wright - z/OS MVS Service Aids

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Re: IPCS WHERE and OUTTRAP

2005-09-26 Thread ibm-main
From: Robert Wright
 ...
 As you and others have described what you'd like SYSTRACE to do, SYSTRACE
 would use module filtering in its calls to the WHERE service routine
 because it would want answers pertaining to modules and would not be
 interested in answers pertaining to AREAs or STRUCTUREs.

This can only be described as a _mightily_ well timed response - I was
mid-way through composing a post myself when I got this. Mine has
subsequently been binned.

Now Bob, about some decent IPCS support for those GFS traces ...

Shane ...

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Re: another z9 question (retrofitted instructions)

2005-09-26 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 09/25/2005
   at 10:38 PM, Paul Gilmartin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

Ah!  The JFFO instruction which appeared on the decsystem KA-10 in
1968 (according to an unscientific Google search).  I suppose it's OK
for IBM to use it now, since any patent has presumably expired.

I'm sure that IBM could trot out prior art; CDC had such an
instruction before DEC. I suspect that IBM did as well, on the 7030,
but don't have a manual.
 
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Re: Chinese character code table

2005-09-26 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 09/26/2005
   at 11:51 AM, Hu Jun [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

And yet

   óGú¡   · °   ¼ ° º   ¼  

There's nothing wrong with sending non-ASCII data, but there is
something wrong with failing to indicate the proper charset and CTE.
Please fix your e-mail software, or complain to yahoo if the error is
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Re: IBMisms (was Re: HASP/ASP JES/JES2/JES3)

2005-09-26 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 09/25/2005
   at 03:07 PM, Leonard Woren [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

I was going to ask if someone could post the complete list, to avoid
50 followups with 1 each.

The standard way to handle that is to request private replies, then
post a summary. I doubt that there is a the complete list.
 
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Re: Suppress carriage-control characters in SYSOUT?

2005-09-26 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 09/25/2005
   at 07:32 PM, Paul Gilmartin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

I'm not sure that convention, widespread as it is rises to the status
of standard.

Nor did I say that it did; in fact, I've been at shops where B was a
print class, although that breaks some of the IBM cataloged
procedures.
 
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Re: HASP/ASP JES/JES2/JES3

2005-09-26 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 09/25/2005
   at 01:45 PM, Leonard Woren [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

(Of course you can support more users on Wylbur than on TSO ISPF --
it takes 5 times as long to get your work done using something as
primitive as Wylbur, so the machine doesn't get loaded up with all
those pesky jobs.)  (Don't bother flaming me for this, I'm immune.
Wylbur was a really advanced concept -- in 1965.)

Wylbur is in some respects still superior to TSO EDIT and ISPF/PDF
EDIT. That's true even for the old free versions, and it's even more
true for the newer versions, e.g., NIH and SuperWylbur. When I had
access to SuperWylbur I used it for functionality, not for performance
or because of local policy.
 
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Re: another z9 question (retrofitted instructions)

2005-09-26 Thread Paul Gilmartin
In a recent note, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) said:

 Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 08:18:47 -0300
 
 Ah!  The JFFO instruction which appeared on the decsystem KA-10 in
 1968 (according to an unscientific Google search).  I suppose it's OK
 for IBM to use it now, since any patent has presumably expired.
 
 I'm sure that IBM could trot out prior art; CDC had such an
 instruction before DEC. I suspect that IBM did as well, on the 7030,
 but don't have a manual.
 
Are you not thinking, rather, of the Cxi instruction, which counted
'1'b bits?  Of course, this be incorporated in a sequence of
decrement; xor; count.

How about using floating point instructions?  Normalize, then extract
the shift count from the exponent.  We'll need to see whether John G.
discloses his technique.

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Re: Another z9 question

2005-09-26 Thread Thomas H Puddicombe
snip
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Say what are you and Jaffe doing working on Sunday?

They're not working - they do this for the pure joy of it.  The fact that
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Re: Suppress carriage-control characters in SYSOUT?

2005-09-26 Thread Paul Gilmartin
In a recent note, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) said:

 Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 08:44:41 -0300
 In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 09/25/2005
at 07:32 PM, Paul Gilmartin [log in to unmask] said:
 
 I'm not sure that convention, widespread as it is rises to the status
 of standard.
 
 Nor did I say that it did; in fact, I've been at shops where B was a
 print class, although that breaks some of the IBM cataloged
 procedures.
 
I was referring to:

   Linkname: Re: Suppress carriage-control characters in SYSOUT?
URL: 
http://bama.ua.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0509L=ibm-mainD=1O=DP=160297

... in which you stated, and I quoted, but you snipped:

... The standard way to send binary files is with IDTF encoding,

using the XMIT command.  [Emphasis added.]

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Re: IPCS WHERE and OUTTRAP

2005-09-26 Thread Robert Wright
Shane wrote on 09/26/2005 08:39:00 AM:

 Now Bob, about some decent IPCS support for those GFS traces ...

Other than generic support in service aids components, I think that all GFS
trace data collection and formatting support is shipped via the VSM
component.  Did you have something in mind that the service aids components
could do to support such things better?  Or do you want Jim Mulder (who
know GFS traces a lot better than I do) and myself to relay requests for
better support to VSM developers?

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Re: IPCS WHERE and OUTTRAP

2005-09-26 Thread ibm-main
From: Robert Wright

 Other than generic support in service aids components, I think that all
GFS
 trace data collection and formatting support is shipped via the VSM
 component.  Did you have something in mind that the service aids
components
 could do to support such things better?  Or do you want Jim Mulder (who
 know GFS traces a lot better than I do) and myself to relay requests for
 better support to VSM developers?

The formatting is excellent - the filtering is non-existent.
As I alluded earlier, the prime (extra) functionality I  see as required in
the field is the ability to identify storage leaks. An option to
eliminate all matched get-free pairs would go a *LONG* way to achieving
this goal.
Any further post-processing I would happily accept as user responsibility.

Shane ...

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zOS 1.7 Available for Ordering on ShopZSeries

2005-09-26 Thread Mark Jacobs
I t looks like zOS 1.7 and SMPE 3.4 are available for ordering thru 
shopzseries a couple of days early. 

I just ordered SMPE 3.4 without any problems. 
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Re: Is there any XML parser available on z/OS ?

2005-09-26 Thread Andy Robertson
On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 04:28:09 -0500, Roger Lowe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 10:58:15 +0200, CAPRON Romain
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I would like to know if there is an XML parser available on z/OS?

Romain,
  Have a look at

http://www-03.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/software/xml/





Also be aware the latest Enterprise COBOL for z/OS (3.3.0) has an XML
PARSE statement built in

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Re: another z9 question (retrofitted instructions)

2005-09-26 Thread Paul Gilmartin
In a recent note, Edward E. Jaffe said:

 Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 22:02:44 -0700
 
 In a recent note John Gilmore said:
 Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 02:18:15 +
 
 provide an eponymous macro that does the same thing, albeit much more
 slowly, on platforms that do not make FLOGR available.
 
 STFLE.
 
Hmmm.  So: replace all uses of FLOGR with invocations of the macro
(using OPSYN?).  The macro uses STFLE to test availability and use
then native FLOGR, else falls through to the emulation code?  Some
degradation of the native FLOGR, but good compatibility.

I don't know where the z9 PoO is, and I'm curious: does the *LOG*
imbedded in FLOGR stand for LOGarithm, since the operation effectively
finds the integer part of the base 2 logarithm of the operand?

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Re: Is there any XML parser available on z/OS ?

2005-09-26 Thread Steve Comstock

Andy Robertson wrote:

On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 04:28:09 -0500, Roger Lowe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:



On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 10:58:15 +0200, CAPRON Romain
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



I would like to know if there is an XML parser available on z/OS?



Romain,
Have a look at

http://www-03.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/software/xml/







Also be aware the latest Enterprise COBOL for z/OS (3.3.0) has an XML
PARSE statement built in


Also be aware that Enterprise COBOL 3.3 has an XML GENERATE
statement.

Also be aware that the latetst Enterprise COBOL is 3.4, which
allows 128MiB elements and tables (previous limit: 16MiB).

Kind regards,

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Re: another z9 question (retrofitted instructions)

2005-09-26 Thread Steve Comstock

Paul Gilmartin wrote:

In a recent note, Edward E. Jaffe said:



Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 22:02:44 -0700



In a recent note John Gilmore said:


Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 02:18:15 +

provide an eponymous macro that does the same thing, albeit much more
slowly, on platforms that do not make FLOGR available.


STFLE.



Hmmm.  So: replace all uses of FLOGR with invocations of the macro
(using OPSYN?).  The macro uses STFLE to test availability and use
then native FLOGR, else falls through to the emulation code?  Some
degradation of the native FLOGR, but good compatibility.

I don't know where the z9 PoO is, and I'm curious: does the *LOG*
imbedded in FLOGR stand for LOGarithm, since the operation effectively
finds the integer part of the base 2 logarithm of the operand?

-- gil


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Re: another z9 question (retrofitted instructions)

2005-09-26 Thread ibm-main
From: Paul Gilmartin

 I don't know where the z9 PoO is,

Jim Mulder posted a (PDF) link a couple of days back to the latest PoPs. I
made an unsuccessful search for a .boo equivalent this afternoon.

Shane ...

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Re: Is a Hurricane about to hit IBM ?

2005-09-26 Thread Anton Britz
Hi guys,

Just a few corrections just morning:

a) My initially email was not an intent to flame IBM or BMC
b) I do not know Chris Craddock, Chris Blaicher or David Allen Gibbey Jnr.

What was my intention?

I did read the local news as explained in a previous email and I then
extracted some of this article and added my experiences or comments in
between these articles. My experiences are recent, even if some of the
articles are old.
Some of the information that I am aware of was with-held because of obvious
reasons.

Conclusion:

So none of it was intent to Flame anybody. The fact that somebody working
for BMC could not see that I added my comments in between extracts from the
article, does not justify a war on IBM-MAIN.

I do know that BMC laid of many people which could be the reason why BMC is
a little touchy about my posting stating that the software companies are
bleeding.

I also know that the educational intuitions in the USA are carrying lots
of dead wood that contributes to the exorbitant cost of education in the
USA but please do not blame me for this because I did not ask Washington
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David Jnr.: Search the archives and you will see that I have been active on
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RE : Is there any XML parser available on z/OS ?

2005-09-26 Thread CAPRON Romain
Thanks a lot for your answers!
I'll study the Enterprise Cobol Way...

Romain

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I would like to know if there is an XML parser available on z/OS?


Romain,
 Have a look at

http://www-03.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/software/xml/

 
 
 
 
 
 Also be aware the latest Enterprise COBOL for z/OS (3.3.0) has an XML
 PARSE statement built in

Also be aware that Enterprise COBOL 3.3 has an XML GENERATE
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Also be aware that the latetst Enterprise COBOL is 3.4, which
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Re: HSM Recycle help - F O L L O W U P

2005-09-26 Thread willie bunter
Marcin,
 
I caught your post.  Can you please tell me how to perform step 3 - recycle 
empty tape?
 
I am new at this and I am not sure how.

Marcin Blaszczyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
1. list datasets form volume(832303)
2. try to recall all valid datasets
3. recycle empty tape



Mohd Shahrifuddin wrote:

 Dear Listers,
 I try to recycle 1 tape with connected sets more than 40 tapes. If 
 anybody can help me to solve it. Below is the message:
 
 RECYCLE VOLUME(832303) 
 EXECUTE ARC0830I RECYCLE 
 COMMAND PROCESSING STARTING ARC0838I 
 VOLUME 832303 FULL=YES, PERCENT VALID=100, VOLUME TYPE=DAILY(06), FAILED 
 RECYCLE=NO, DISASTER ALTERNATE=NO, FAILED 
 CREATION=NO 
 ARC0838I VOLUME 590353 FULL=YES, PERCENT VALID=100, VOLUME 
 TYPE=DAILY(06), FAILED RECYCLE=NO, DISASTER ALTERNATE=NO, FAILED 
 CREATION=NO 
 ARC0838I VOLUME 590351 FULL=YES, PERCENT VALID=100, VOLUME 
 TYPE=DAILY(06), FAILED RECYCLE=NO, DISASTER ALTERNATE=NO, FAILED 
 CREATION=NO 
 ARC0838I VOLUME 590348 FULL=YES, PERCENT VALID=100, VOLUME 
 TYPE=DAILY(06), FAILED RECYCLE=NO, DISASTER ALTERNATE=NO, FAILED 
 CREATION=NO ;
 ;
 ;
 ARC0445I VOLUME 832303 CANNOT BE RECYCLED, REASON= 0028, EXPLANATION: 
 CONNECTED SET TOO LONG
 ARC0847I RECYCLE INPUT VOLUMES FREED=, OUTPUT VOLUMES 
 USED= ARC0831I RECYCLE COMMAND PROCESSING 
 ENDING 
 Explanation: During the processing of a recycle request for a specific 
 volume, the information requested is displayed. If a volume belongs to a
 connected set, there will be an ARC0838I message for each volume in the 
 set.
 
 28 CONNECTED SET TOO LONG: DFSMShsm will not recycle connected 
 sets exceeding 40 volumes. The volume specified belongs to a
 connected set exceeding this limit.
 
 

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Re: HASP/ASP JES/JES2/JES3

2005-09-26 Thread Howard Brazee
Just a couple of years ago, our shop went to TSO because it realized
that it could drop its CICS license by dropping SYSD.

I still like to call ISPF, PDF.   It works from the command line to
get it.

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[no subject]

2005-09-26 Thread john gilmore

The fundamental quantity for binary-search trees (BSTs) is Knuth's

q = floor[(log2(n + 1)],

where n is the number of internal nodes in some BST.

This value can be obtained perspicuously but vry slowly from a PL/I or C 
statement of the form


q = floor(log2(n + 1)) ;

the evaliuation of which requires in and out data-type conversions, much 
floating-point multiplication and addition to evaluate a Horner's-method 
Chebychev-Hastings polynomial approximation of ln(n + 1) and a final 
additional floating-point multiplication for the change of base from e to 2.


A much better way is to use greatest-lower-bound (glb) seeking binary search 
in a fullword or, conceivably, doubleword table of the powers of 2 [-- 1].  
Until the FLOGR instruction became available, this was indeed the best way 
to obtain values of q on a mainframe; but now this single instruction, 
suitably framed, does it all for n  0.


Moreover, all of this is serendipitous.  The FLOGR instruction was 
implemented for very different purposes.



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Re: Another z9 question

2005-09-26 Thread Chase, John
 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Steve Comstock
 
 Will the new instructions, and modifications to existing 
 instructions, introduced with the z9 series be retrofitted to 
 the earlier z800, z890, z900 and / or z990 series?

I don't know about that, but I do wonder what the next iteration of the
mainframe will be called.  Hope it's not Omega.  :-|

-jc-

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Re: Another z9 question

2005-09-26 Thread Chase, John
 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Edward E. Jaffe
 
 Steve Comstock wrote:
 
  Will the new instructions, and modifications to existing 
 instructions, 
  introduced with the z9 series be retrofitted to the earlier z800, 
  z890, z900 and / or z990 series?
 
 
 No. But you can use STFLE to determine which facilities are 
 present. The presence of STFLE is indicated by bit 7 of the 
 output from STFL in the PSA.

But STFL is a privileged instruction (STFLE is not).  Who issues the
original STFL? the operating system during IPL?

-jc-

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Re: Basic remote copy questions

2005-09-26 Thread Bruce Black
But seriously: You said existing closed datasets *should* have no 
problems. I believe so. However I was asked can you *assure* it ?.

That's why I asked the question.
Things get more complicated, when PPRC-XD (I don't like it) is used. 



100% assure?  I don't want to take that risk.  but I am 99% sure that 
after a PPRC failure, ony datasets which were open for output at the 
time of the failure are exposed to errors.  Existing closed datasets 
should not be affected.


As I understand PPRC-XD, it can be one or a few I/Os behind the primary 
volume.  A dataset which was JUST closed on the primary (and thus valid) 
may be exposed to problems on the secondary if the failure occurs before 
all its I/Os (and the VTOC/VVDS update I/Os from CLOSE) can be 
mirrored.   But datasets closed more than a few seconds before the 
failure should be OK (same 99%). 


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Re: Basic remote copy questions

2005-09-26 Thread Frank Krueger
Bruce , Radoslav

XD ist just asynchronous PPRC - and there is no guarantee when and what
will be copied .
It may take more then just a few seconds after the WRITE that the
data is copied - depending on the load and the link capacitiy.

The good thing is - you can switch easily from PPRC-XD to PPRC and vice
versa -
f.e. to have the data copied constantly , then goto SYNCH on a time with
less activity -
and then you may suspend and FLASH or take Backups from another system .
The switching process normally takes seconds only .

Basically it is used for migration or creation of some test data - not for
disaster recovery
cause the data is mostly almost fuzzy.


Frank Krueger

As I understand PPRC-XD, it can be one or a few I/Os behind the primary
volume.  A dataset which was JUST closed on the primary (and thus valid)
may be exposed to problems on the secondary if the failure occurs before
all its I/Os (and the VTOC/VVDS update I/Os from CLOSE) can be
mirrored.   But datasets closed more than a few seconds before the
failure should be OK (same 99%).

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Re: Another z9 question

2005-09-26 Thread Chase, John
 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Steve Comstock
 
 Craddock, Chris wrote:
 Will the new instructions, and modifications to existing instructions, 
 introduced with the z9 series be retrofitted to the earlier z800, 
 z890, z900 and / or z990 series?
  
  Almost certainly not.
 
 So at some point we'll have another ALS value, eh?
 
 Say what are you and Jaffe doing working on Sunday?

Chris is probably Waltzing Matilda with his laptop in his swag, while
Hurricane Rita is whacking Houston and environs with wind  rain.

:-)

-jc-

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Can't vary offline

2005-09-26 Thread Bob Henry
I'm trying to vary a dasd device offline. It originally had ucat on it but 
I moved (merged) and disconnected it. It has nothing on it any more but 
SYS1.VVDS  SYS1.VTOCIX (as well as USERCAT  USERCAT.INDEX space). There 
were also lnklst libs on it but I rebuilt lnklst, APF and LLA, etc. Now 
I'm trying to vary offline but get vary offline pending. A d u,,alloc 
of the device shows *MASTER* still has it allocated. Why would *MASTER* 
still have it? How can I unalloc it?
 
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Re: Another z9 question

2005-09-26 Thread Bruce Black
My first reaction to the STFLE instruction was Archie Bunker (All in the 
Family, Stifle yourself, Edith)


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Re: Another z9 question

2005-09-26 Thread Paul Gilmartin
In a recent note, Edward E. Jaffe said:

 Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 08:52:20 -0700
 
 But STFL is a privileged instruction (STFLE is not).  Who issues the
 original STFL? the operating system during IPL?
 
 Yes. All z/OS and some OS/390 releases issue STFL at IPL time.
 
Does the OS then make the result available to unprivileged programs
somewhere?  (CVT?)

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Re: Can't vary offline

2005-09-26 Thread William Ball
You might want to look at the catalog address space. It might still have 
it.

Bill

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were also lnklst libs on it but I rebuilt lnklst, APF and LLA, etc. Now
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still have it? How can I unalloc it?

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Re: Another z9 question

2005-09-26 Thread Bob Shannon
But STFL is a privileged instruction (STFLE is not).  Who issues the 
original STFL? the operating system during IPL?

 Yes. All z/OS and some OS/390 releases issue STFL at IPL time.
 

Does the OS then make the result available to unprivileged programs
somewhere?  (CVT?)

Yes. In PSA.

Bob Shannon 

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Re: Can't vary offline

2005-09-26 Thread Dean Montevago
Did you close and unallocate the catalog from the CAS ? Even if you
rebuild the linklist I think XCFAS will still have an allocation to the
datasets.

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I'm trying to vary a dasd device offline. It originally had ucat on it
but 
I moved (merged) and disconnected it. It has nothing on it any more but 
SYS1.VVDS  SYS1.VTOCIX (as well as USERCAT  USERCAT.INDEX space).
There 
were also lnklst libs on it but I rebuilt lnklst, APF and LLA, etc. Now 
I'm trying to vary offline but get vary offline pending. A d
u,,alloc 
of the device shows *MASTER* still has it allocated. Why would *MASTER* 
still have it? How can I unalloc it?
 


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Re: Suppress carriage-control characters in SYSOUT?

2005-09-26 Thread Gibbons, Mark
John,
  I used the following to copy a .pdf to the spool.  I don't think there are 
any added CC's.  When I pull the output off with an external writer I get the 
1000 byte records, no CC.  Are you using SDSF to look at the output?  Are you 
seeing SDSF's idea of how the data will be processed and fake CC's.  I don't 
have SDSF and can't check what it would show.  

//STEP020 EXEC PGM=IEBGENER,
// COND=(4,LT)
//*
//SYSUT1DD PATHOPTS=(ORDONLY),
// PATHDISP=(KEEP,KEEP),
// PATH='/u/webserv/doc/XMLTools/xmlpd1_6.pdf',
// LRECL=1000,RECFM=FB,BLKSIZE=1000,FILEDATA=BINARY
//*
//SYSUT2DD SYSOUT=*


Good luck,
  Mark


Date:Fri, 23 Sep 2005 09:20:28 -0500
From:Chase, John [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Suppress carriage-control characters in SYSOUT?

Hi, All,

We're trying to copy a .PDF document into the JES2 spool (SYSOUT dataset)
for later printing, but so far have been unable to suppress the insertion of
ANSI carriage-control characters as the first byte of each record.  We've
tried coding DD SYSOUT=A,DCB=RECFM=FB but that didn't work as expected.  We
can't seem to find the correct reference manual to tell us how to accomplish
this, either (would it be a JES2 manual? the JCL Reference sort of
suggested the DCB=RECFM=FB sub-parm on the DD statement).

Looking for ideas

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Re: Can't vary offline

2005-09-26 Thread Clark, Kevin D, HRC-Alexandria/EDS
F catalog,unallocate(catalog_name)



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Did you close and unallocate the catalog from the CAS ? Even if you rebuild
the linklist I think XCFAS will still have an allocation to the datasets.

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I'm trying to vary a dasd device offline. It originally had ucat on it but 
I moved (merged) and disconnected it. It has nothing on it any more but 
SYS1.VVDS  SYS1.VTOCIX (as well as USERCAT  USERCAT.INDEX space). There 
were also lnklst libs on it but I rebuilt lnklst, APF and LLA, etc. Now 
I'm trying to vary offline but get vary offline pending. A d u,,alloc 
of the device shows *MASTER* still has it allocated. Why would *MASTER* 
still have it? How can I unalloc it?
 


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Re: Another z9 question

2005-09-26 Thread Kirk Talman
STFL loads absolute location 200.  See PoPs for mapping.  Reply to me privately 
and I will send you code that displays the bits there using the 
descriptions from PoPs.

Paul Gilmartin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9/26/2005 12:21 PM wrote

Does the OS then make the result available to unprivileged programs 
somewhere?  (CVT?)




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Re: Can't vary offline

2005-09-26 Thread Tom Schmidt
Bob,

Issue SETPROG LNKLST,UNALLOCATE to have XCFAS remove its allocations from
all LINKLIST volumes and see if that clears it up for you.
If it does, then issue SETPROG LNKLST,ALLOCATE to put back the linklist
allocations that are presently in-use (for protection)... after you get the
offending volume offline.

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On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 12:34:29 -0400, Dean Montevago wrote:

Did you close and unallocate the catalog from the CAS ? Even if you
rebuild the linklist I think XCFAS will still have an allocation to the
datasets.

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Behalf Of Bob Henry

I'm trying to vary a dasd device offline. It originally had ucat on it
but
I moved (merged) and disconnected it. It has nothing on it any more but
SYS1.VVDS  SYS1.VTOCIX (as well as USERCAT  USERCAT.INDEX space).
There
were also lnklst libs on it but I rebuilt lnklst, APF and LLA, etc. Now
I'm trying to vary offline but get vary offline pending. A d
u,,alloc
of the device shows *MASTER* still has it allocated. Why would *MASTER*
still have it? How can I unalloc it?


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Re: Configuring PAVs and Base Volumes in an EMC(DMX) box.

2005-09-26 Thread Mark Zelden
On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 10:49:08 -0500, John Benik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Is there a good general rule for configuring PAVs and Base Volumes.  It
seems as though there are a number of ways that people have configured
this.  Some have done it one for one, others have chosen 2 or more base
volumes per PAV and others have chosen more PAVs then base volumes in some
cases we have seen 10 pavs to one base volume??  Any help or suggestions
would be greatly appreciated.


I don't know about any ROT but I can tell you what we did that seemed to
work out.   1 base + 1 alias for all 3390-3 and 1 base + 2 aliases for
all 3390-9.  This is for static PAVs. YMMV.

If you can use WLM assigned PAVs instead of static PAVs, do so.

We still run with the static PAVs in one environment that shares
DASD between two sysplexes (MII) to prevent any PAV alias thrashing.
The other environments now run with dynamically assigned aliases (WLM).
EMC didn't always support that but I'm pretty sure all the DMX boxes
do and probably the older EMC boxes do at the proper microcode levels.

Cheers,

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Re: Can't vary offline

2005-09-26 Thread Dean Montevago
If this system is active is it advisable to do this ?

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Bob,

Issue SETPROG LNKLST,UNALLOCATE to have XCFAS remove its allocations
from all LINKLIST volumes and see if that clears it up for you. If it
does, then issue SETPROG LNKLST,ALLOCATE to put back the linklist
allocations that are presently in-use (for protection)... after you get
the offending volume offline.

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On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 12:34:29 -0400, Dean Montevago wrote:

Did you close and unallocate the catalog from the CAS ? Even if you 
rebuild the linklist I think XCFAS will still have an allocation to the

datasets.

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Behalf Of Bob Henry

I'm trying to vary a dasd device offline. It originally had ucat on it 
but I moved (merged) and disconnected it. It has nothing on it any more

but SYS1.VVDS  SYS1.VTOCIX (as well as USERCAT  USERCAT.INDEX space).
There
were also lnklst libs on it but I rebuilt lnklst, APF and LLA, etc. Now
I'm trying to vary offline but get vary offline pending. A d
u,,alloc
of the device shows *MASTER* still has it allocated. Why would *MASTER*
still have it? How can I unalloc it?

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Re: Can't vary offline

2005-09-26 Thread Tom Schmidt
Yes.  We had to do that on a production system here on Sunday morning.


On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 13:19:59 -0400, Dean Montevago wrote:

If this system is active is it advisable to do this ?

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Bob,

Issue SETPROG LNKLST,UNALLOCATE to have XCFAS remove its allocations
from all LINKLIST volumes and see if that clears it up for you. If it
does, then issue SETPROG LNKLST,ALLOCATE to put back the linklist
allocations that are presently in-use (for protection)... after you get
the offending volume offline.

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zLinux Actual Costs

2005-09-26 Thread Jim Marshall
I would like to relay what is real concerning zLinux costs and what is
theory or conjecture. I run a z/900-101 with one IFL along with my z/900-
101 and z/900-102 in a Parallel Sysplex.

First it makes no sense to bring up just 1-2 zLinux instances on an
Enterprise Server. To make it cost effective, I figure it is around
20-30 and cheaper if there is more. So that lets out just using LPARs
without z/VM. With z/VM V5,it is cheap. Here is the breakdown:

1. z/VM - $19K one time  about $5K Support  Subscription (SS).
2. SuSe Linux - $16K one time.
3. SuSe Linux e-Maintenance - $13K yearly. this comes from Novell and
entitlesme to patches and upgrades all done from a web site. No phone
calls.
4. IBM zLinux Support - $20K yearly. I wanted the same support as I get from
IBM for z/OS and with this if I have a problem, IBM will create the
patch immediately and then go staff it through the OPEN Source Community.
5. z/VM Assembler - go it free off the Internet. Can buy one from Dignis
for about $5K I am told.
6. I wanted a z/VM  Linux monitor, bought ESALPS from Velocity Software
for $30K.
7. IBM tells you for z/VM's DFSMS/VM you need ISPF/VM for $25K (was
($50K) and it is not true for cheaper DIRMAINT ($1K SS) provides same
functions.
8. I needed to buy RACF/VM to satisfy Auditors even though I only have
three VM users (SYSPROG). It was around $12K  .($2K SS).
9. Firewalls can be done with free IPTABLES or multiple IPLTABLES (defense
in depth).
10.  WAS for zLINUX is $25K and then about $4K SS.
11.  DB2 was about $25K and SS is also about $4K.
12.  Tivoli/TAMS can be licensed by user so it depends, not that
outrageous.
13. The IFL engine for me was $120K but I am told it is now $80K and
I know sites where IBM gave you one for free.
14. zAAP engines are only for z/OS and not available for z/VM or zLinux.
15. I used to train MVS'ers and z/VM troops. Today IBM has a free class
for 3 days for z/VM  SuSe Linux install. My z/OS bigots attended and
in no time they are doing enough z/VM to maintain it.


Ok, I run a z/VM LPAR for Production with many Virtual Linux Servers.
I am up to about 32 Virtual Servers and to do web serving, DB2 with IFL
running about 10%. So it leaves me room to bring up more.

I am looking to transfer a Windows $40K Oracle license to the IFL. Oracle
charges $40K for an engine. So you can do porting for free on any platform
and only need the license when it goes production. So if we port the
application to zLinux, the production license comes too. Now once I have
the license, the next port means I can terminate a $40K license on
Windows. More likely I will just bring up more Oracle's on the zLinux
using the one (1) license I will have. What'a deal. The same goes for
DB2, I can run many at the same price.

Then there is nothing too shabby about running Virtual Routers and
Virtual Switches under z/VM (free). The network group casting a dim
eye wanting to see something physical.I can talk amongst them using
Hypersockets or a memory to memory transfer.

I run an LPAR Test  Development LPAR with all the zLinux virtual
machines.

My SYSPROGs wanted a SYSPROG LPAR for new z/VM's although the learned
about z/VM 2nd level. WOW.

Is it dirt-cheap, no.  Is it cheaper, yes.

Jim Marshall

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BUFND large GDGs

2005-09-26 Thread DMR-Qualitas Outsourcing
Good morning,
 we are working in catalog performance and we have read some post, zOS
DFSMS-Managing Catalogs and Cheryl Watson Tuning Letter 2001 - N1.
 About following paragraph:
BUFND Specifies the number of buffers for transmitting data between virtual
and auxiliary storage. The default, STRNO+1, is usually adequate. When a
catalog contains large GDGs or other spanned records, the number should be
increased accordingly to a minimum of MAXLRECL/CISIZE+STRNO.
 before to try and error, we would like to know experiences about
usercatalogs with large GDGs and which will be, orientative, the amount of
GDGs to consider 2nd suggested rule?
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Finding all NAME/TOKEN pairs defined to an Address Space

2005-09-26 Thread Wayne Driscoll
I searched the archives, and I can't find this, although I seem to remember
it being discussed.  Is there a way to find all the name/token pairs defined
in a dump?  I've looked at the IPCS guide, and I can't find anything
definitive.
Thanks in advance,
Wayne Driscoll
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Western Metal Supply
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Re: Finding all NAME/TOKEN pairs defined to an Address Space

2005-09-26 Thread Wayne Driscoll
Never mind, once I sat back and used common sense, I found it in the Showmvs
source (Thanks Roland), using ASCB-ASSB-NTTH-NTTE

Wayne Driscoll
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I searched the archives, and I can't find this, although I seem to remember
it being discussed.  Is there a way to find all the name/token pairs defined
in a dump?  I've looked at the IPCS guide, and I can't find anything
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Re: SCRT

2005-09-26 Thread Hal Merritt
As you may have seen on CNN, we here in Houston have been a little busy
starting with over 200,000 unexpected guests in August. We barely got
that under control when we looked up and found Rita on our door step. 

What can I do to get up to speed on the LMDS process?

X = SOAPBOX(ACTIVATE)

And how can we convince IBM that a manual process is hugely expensive?
Far more expensive than the occasional runaway task. 

We are fully automated, to include the draft spreadsheet being emailed
to several principals. Any of the principals can perform the final
checks/changes and submit the reports. (Can you say no single point of
failure? I knew you could.) We really have no way to know if the
reported numbers are 'accurate'. Only roughly reasonable. Anyone with
experience with SMF/RMF data knows what kind of accuracy can be
expected. 

Taking September as an example, there were only *four* working days
before the cutoff. And we a little busy. A detailed review was out of
the question. In fact, we *did* have a spike we would like to know more
about. We had to set priorities, and that did not make the cut.  

The IBM *demand* that the report be reviewed by a huge team of very
expensive people every month is naive at best. We have found that what
we consider fair and accurate is not acceptable to IBM anyway. Sorry, it
ain't gonna happen. 

IBM: kindly butt out of how we run our shop. A swing of a couple of
percent MSU is beyond meaningless to us. Even so, it would cost us much
more money to research the issue that to simply pay the bill.   

That said: I have nothing but praise for the SCRT team. Responsive,
helpful, a pleasure to work with. It is the IBM policies sticking in my
craw.  

If enough of us start squawking, IBM might listen to reason. C'mon
folks, all together now.

100% automated with a suitable review/change point. Then a single click
to submit the final report. Much like the current email process. 

If IBM insists on a human transcribing numbers, then that process *must*
allow for ordinary human keying errors and provide suitable
protest/correction processes for upwards of 180 days. 

X = SOAPBOX(DEACTIVATE)

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We are new to SubCapacity Reporting.
As of November, we were notified that we must submit our monthly reports
vaw LMDS (License Manager Data Submission). We currently use the email
submission method and have it mostly automated.
Does anyone know if we can automate the LMDS submission process, and how
to 
do this?

Thank you,
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Re: Can't vary offline

2005-09-26 Thread Bob Henry
I tried all the suggestions - uncatalog from CAS, remove from LLA, 
unallocate from XCFAS, displayed ASM, APF, etc. I even updated all asid's 
to use current lnklst and undefined all old lists (original list had pds's 
on volume I'm trying to vary). Nothing seems to remove it from *MASTER*. 
Any other ideas?

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Re: Can't vary offline

2005-09-26 Thread Larry Crilley
'uncatalog from CAS'.  Have you unallocated from CAS?  

F CATALOG,UNALLOCATE(catname)

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Re: Some questions about cross memory services

2005-09-26 Thread John Krew
Thanks Jonathan, Chris, and Rob for your very comprehensive anwers!
What a great list!

John Krew

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Re: Can't vary offline

2005-09-26 Thread Larry Crilley
One other item from Managing Catalogs:

 

Use VUNALLOCATE to unallocate all VVDSs. This might be necessary to
allow the VARY command to vary a volume offline. VVDSs remain
unallocated until you issue MODIFY CATALOG,NOVUNALLOCATE

 

 

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I think you will have to zap the UCB to get it varied offline.  If I

remember correctly volumes on which a link list data set is present at
IPL

have an early open done against them but never a close.  Mind you I
don't

advocate you do this just a memory that I did something similar on one
of my

development systems with TMONMVS. 

 

Peter can provide a more detailed  explanation I expect. 

 

The safe and sane way to free up that volume is to IPL when it is

convenient.  Ask yourself what is the consequence to you and to the
business

if you don't get it offline today but three weeks from now?  Is it worth

taking a risk even a small one (say for arguments sake that what I
suggest

would work but you make a mistake and zap the wrong piece of common
storage

and the system falls down).

 

Patience is an virtue when it comes to availability.  There are old
systems

programmers and bold systems programmers but very few old, bold systems

programmers:-)

 

Best Regards,

 

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I'm trying to vary a dasd device offline. It originally had ucat on it
but I

moved (merged) and disconnected it. It has nothing on it any more but

SYS1.VVDS  SYS1.VTOCIX (as well as USERCAT  USERCAT.INDEX space).

There

were also lnklst libs on it but I rebuilt lnklst, APF and LLA, etc. Now
I'm

trying to vary offline but get vary offline pending. A d u,,alloc 

of the device shows *MASTER* still has it allocated. Why would *MASTER*

still have it? How can I unalloc it?

 





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Re: Can't vary offline

2005-09-26 Thread McKown, John
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 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List 
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 Subject: Can't vary offline
 
 
 I'm trying to vary a dasd device offline. It originally had 
 ucat on it but 
 I moved (merged) and disconnected it. It has nothing on it 
 any more but 
 SYS1.VVDS  SYS1.VTOCIX (as well as USERCAT  USERCAT.INDEX 
 space). There 
 were also lnklst libs on it but I rebuilt lnklst, APF and 
 LLA, etc. Now 
 I'm trying to vary offline but get vary offline pending. A 
 d u,,alloc 
 of the device shows *MASTER* still has it allocated. Why 
 would *MASTER* 
 still have it? How can I unalloc it?
  

STOP! WAIT! HOLD ON! 

You had datasets on this volume which were on the LNKLST at IPL time?!?
As I understand it, you cannot remove the allocated condition without
an IPL. Period. When you updated the LNKLST, did you do something like:

SETPROG LNKLST,UPDATE,JOB=*

Did you notice that the manual said to only do this if you are trying to
avoid an IPL because its use could cause an S106 type abend?

If you did not do the UPDATE, then all the address spaces which were
active before the SETPROG was issued are still using the IPL (or
previous SETPROG) LNKLST and could possibly be trying to fetch modules
from the clean disk. How did you delete everything? Right now, if this
were my shop, I'd be in a mild panic about the possibility of an
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Re: Can't vary offline

2005-09-26 Thread DeFabritus, Peter [NCSUS Non-JJ]
On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 14:56:41 -0500, McKown, John
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 I'm trying to vary a dasd device offline. It originally had
 ucat on it but
 I moved (merged) and disconnected it. It has nothing on it
 any more but
 SYS1.VVDS  SYS1.VTOCIX (as well as USERCAT  USERCAT.INDEX
 space). There
 were also lnklst libs on it but I rebuilt lnklst, APF and
 LLA, etc. Now
 I'm trying to vary offline but get vary offline pending. A
 d u,,alloc
 of the device shows *MASTER* still has it allocated. Why
 would *MASTER*
 still have it? How can I unalloc it?


STOP! WAIT! HOLD ON!

You had datasets on this volume which were on the LNKLST at IPL time?!?
As I understand it, you cannot remove the allocated condition without
an IPL. Period. When you updated the LNKLST, did you do something like:

SETPROG LNKLST,UPDATE,JOB=*

Did you notice that the manual said to only do this if you are trying to
avoid an IPL because its use could cause an S106 type abend?

If you did not do the UPDATE, then all the address spaces which were
active before the SETPROG was issued are still using the IPL (or
previous SETPROG) LNKLST and could possibly be trying to fetch modules
from the clean disk. How did you delete everything? Right now, if this
were my shop, I'd be in a mild panic about the possibility of an
unplanned outage.

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Try recycling LLA:

P LLA
S LLA,SUB=MSTR

This should free any linklist data sets you are no loner using.

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Re: RACF Stop/Start?

2005-09-26 Thread Debbie Mitchell
Perhaps they mean the %STOP command (substitue your own command character 
for %) isn't protected?


Debbie

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Re: Can't vary offline

2005-09-26 Thread Knutson, Sam
My point is having done this (SETPROG LNKLST,UPDATE,JOB=* known to have
measurable risk but still widely practiced) still won't free up the volume.


The IPL link list is special.

LLA is not link list. Stopping LLA does not stop or free link list.  Link
List is older and deeper magic than LLA especially the IPL link list which
you cannot get rid of even with industrial strength scrubbing.  The
allocations in XCFAS were a valiant attempt by IBM to keep people from doing
dangerous things later enhancements allows those of us who sometimes need to
drive on the shoulder to manipulate those allocations.  You need to remember
that they are still just safety devices removing them does not remove the
risk if the data sets are still in use by a real (live) link list.

If I understand correctly the early form of open is used to open data sets
in the IPL link list (IPL link list set).  There is no early close so
volumes that had a link list library on them at IPL are going to have a bit
set in the UCB that will prevent them from being varied offline.  In ALLOCAS
they will be marked as allocated to system.  TMONMVS reflects this as 
*SYSTEM in the VOLUME USE UTILITY which plumbs the depths of ALLOCAS.  The
display unit command shows this as  *MASTER*.  I don't know of a way to
get these off-line without zapping the UCB.

If you don't mind the risk you should be able to use SETPROG
LNKLST,UPDATE,JOB=* and a little bit of storage zapping to get sticky
volumes off-line.  Again you have to ask what is the cost to the business if
you wait for the next IPL that can be scheduled compared to working in an
entirely unsupported space.

Best Regards,

Sam Knutson, GEICO
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The fire's almost out... You're 
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by your Battalion Chief, your Captain, 
by me, not to do anything up there 
until ordered. But now the itch 
starts, and all of a sudden comes 
the Glory Boy Flash: Hey, I'm a hero. 
Heroes don't just stand around. So 
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a window for ventilation. Was that 
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SETPROG LNKLST,UPDATE,JOB=*

Did you notice that the manual said to only do this if you are trying to
avoid an IPL because its use could cause an S106 type abend?

If you did not do the UPDATE, then all the address spaces which were active
before the SETPROG was issued are still using the IPL (or previous SETPROG)
LNKLST and could possibly be trying to fetch modules from the clean disk.
How did you delete everything? Right now, if this were my shop, I'd be in a
mild panic about the possibility of an unplanned outage.

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Re: Performance of PACK/UNPACK instructions

2005-09-26 Thread Staller, Allan
snip
I'm doing an analysis of one of our application programs.  As part of this, I'm 
seeing the COBOL code generate a lot of PACK/UNPACK instruction pairs.  

Does anyone have an idea on the performance impact of all these (potential 
millions of executions in a single run)?
/snip

A long time ago, on a processor far far away, I ran into this exact issue. To 
be specific, on a S370/138 I was responsible for correcting (not my code) a 
program that absolutely maxed the 370/138. Upon examining the program I found 
that all input, linkage section and working storage fields were defined in 
display format. 

The processing logic was read, process, call subprogram, process, return to 
main, clean-up, write. In essence, each numeric field used was packed/unpacked 
a minimum of 8 times. 

After modification only the working storage and linkage section variables to an 
apporpriate internal format (comp or comp-3), this same program was not noticed 
when processed. As a bonus, it ran about 20% faster that before the mods.

NOTE: I did not change one line of logic, only data descriptions. It turns out 
that there were also some logic changes that also sped up the program some 
more. ISTR that the total improvement was on the order of 40% elapsed time.

The impact of mutiple pack/unpack inctructions is significant. In the case of 
fixed point decimal operations, there are also CVD/CVB instructions associated 
with the PACK and UNPACK operations. (2X CVD/CVB for each PACK and UNPACK. As 
you can see, the amount of useless processing grows geometrically.

Before you change a line of code, change the data representations to the 
appropriate internal format and prepare to be astounded at the improvement.

HTH,

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Re: SCRT

2005-09-26 Thread Hal Merritt
Fair enough. We have manual management and technical review steps in our
otherwise fully automated process. 

If you are really serious about wanting to make the process easier, you
can make a good start by not making it more complicated. 

We are very grateful you have given us a way to manage our software
dollars.  We plan on putting those savings to very good use, and might
even wind up paying as much or even more than we do now. Satisfied
customers are very big here, and that tends to grow our customer base. A
good thing for you. 

With all due respect, sell us your software, but let us manage our data
centers. Please don't insist we adopt processes that are not cost
effective. Do you have any clue how much it costs to maintain one full
time employee? We would much rather use that money to buy your software.


Hal Merritt.  

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Because this manual review step is so crucial, IBM will not assist SCRT
customers in building automated solutions which do not contain a process
for human review of the reports.  We are always open to suggestions from
our customers about how we can help make processes such as these easier.

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Re: RACF Stop/Start?

2005-09-26 Thread Hal Merritt
I have found that it is generally a waste of time trying to guess what
an auditor really wants to know. That is, it is not a reasonable
assumption that the auditor has phrased the question correctly. It has
been productive to keep asking for more details. Work with the auditor
to develop a question that satisfies his/her objectives and helps you to
craft a high quality answer. 

For example, the root question might really be: Can RACF be disabled by
operator command?.  

HTH. 

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Perhaps they mean the %STOP command (substitue your own command
character 
for %) isn't protected?


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Re: Can't vary offline

2005-09-26 Thread McKown, John
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 Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 3:32 PM
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 Subject: Re: Can't vary offline
 
 
 Try this
 Do a UCB display
 In order to be varied offline the user count has to be zero ( 
 x'+26' ) if my memory is ok  I used to zap and put  
 and the device used to go offline with a vary xx,offline As 
 my memory is sometimes failing .
 with a IPCS active do a listucb    the field was called USER
 Bruno
 Bruno(dot)sugliani(at)groupemornay(dot)asso(dot)fr

You DO play with fire, don't you? grin. The IPL LNKLST cannot be
closed. Therefore the DEB will exist until IPL. Therefore, EVEN IF THE
VOLUME IS OFFLINE, it is *possible* for this system to try to do I/O to
the offline volume. As Shmuel says: It's not my dog.

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Re: SCRT

2005-09-26 Thread Greg Shirey
Eh?  At no point did Mr. Chase state that IBM would insist on any customer
adopting any process, merely that IBM would not assist in building an
automated solution that contained no human review.   I suspect you may do as
you please, it's your dog.

Greg Shirey
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With all due respect, sell us your software, but let us manage our data
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effective. Do you have any clue how much it costs to maintain one full
time employee? We would much rather use that money to buy your software.

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Re: Finding all NAME/TOKEN pairs defined to an Address Space

2005-09-26 Thread Schiradin,Roland HG-Dir itb-db/dc
Wayne, 

this is not the complete story but correct for an ASID.

EVCTNTTP NTTH for System Name/Token
ASSBNTTP NTTH for ASID Name/Token
STCBNTTP NTTH for TCB Name/Token

Showmvs doesn't deal with TCB token as it would almost report none because 
there isn't such an
animal while ShowMvs run. 

Roland


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Never mind, once I sat back and used common sense, I found it 
in the Showmvs source (Thanks Roland), using ASCB-ASSB-NTTH-NTTE

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Re: Can't vary offline

2005-09-26 Thread Bruno Sugliani
On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 15:48:10 -0500, McKown, John
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


You DO play with fire, don't you? grin. The IPL LNKLST cannot be
closed. Therefore the DEB will exist until IPL. Therefore, EVEN IF THE
VOLUME IS OFFLINE, it is *possible* for this system to try to do I/O to
the offline volume. As Shmuel says: It's not my dog.

Playing with fire ?
Yes and no :-)
Let's put it that way ...  i  helped doing this a good number of times and
always got lucky  .
What happens if an I/O is sent to a gone DASD/UCB' ? missing interrupts do not
necessarily kill a system . Thanks for that .
Bruno
Bruno(dot)sugliani(at)groupemornay(dot)asso(dot)fr

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Re: Can't vary offline

2005-09-26 Thread Bill Fairchild
 
On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 15:48:10 -0500, McKown, John
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED])   wrote:

You DO play with fire, don't you? grin. The IPL LNKLST  cannot be
closed. Therefore the DEB will exist until IPL. Therefore, EVEN  IF THE
VOLUME IS OFFLINE, it is *possible* for this system to try to do  I/O to
the offline volume.


Doing I/O to an offline volume is not the scary event it sounds  like.  It 
will work as long as there is at least one channel path still  available to 
reach the device AND as long as the data it is expecting to find is  still 
there, 
which it likely won't be if, as the original poster said (I think),  all the 
files have been removed from the volume except for the VTOC and the  VVDS.  If 
MVS is still looking for a linklist library on the volume after  it has been 
properly deleted, then something else is bad wrong.  Even if  MVS is only 
trying to search the missing library's directory but never accessing  any of 
the 
members, something is still wrong.
 
We are striving for greater and greater flexibility in dynamically  
rearranging DASD, but there are still limits beyond which it is not prudent to  
venture.
 
Bill Fairchild

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Re: SCRT

2005-09-26 Thread Hal Merritt
Point well taken. I should really have a look at the web process. It
may, in fact, be very satisfactory. 

Mr Chase: I apologize. I am in error prejudging the process. 

Hal Merritt.  

 

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Eh?  At no point did Mr. Chase state that IBM would insist on any
customer
adopting any process, merely that IBM would not assist in building an
automated solution that contained no human review.   I suspect you may
do as
you please, it's your dog.

Greg Shirey
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With all due respect, sell us your software, but let us manage our data
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effective. Do you have any clue how much it costs to maintain one full
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Re: HASP/ASP JES/JES2/JES3

2005-09-26 Thread Ed Gould

On Sep 26, 2005, at 6:30 AM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote:


In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 09/25/2005
   at 01:45 PM, Leonard Woren [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:


(Of course you can support more users on Wylbur than on TSO ISPF --
it takes 5 times as long to get your work done using something as
primitive as Wylbur, so the machine doesn't get loaded up with all
those pesky jobs.)  (Don't bother flaming me for this, I'm immune.
Wylbur was a really advanced concept -- in 1965.)


Wylbur is in some respects still superior to TSO EDIT and ISPF/PDF
EDIT. That's true even for the old free versions, and it's even more
true for the newer versions, e.g., NIH and SuperWylbur. When I had
access to SuperWylbur I used it for functionality, not for performance
or because of local policy.




I don't recall the name of the (I think a Swedish developed program) 
that was similar to Wylbur, but there is a large user of that still 
here in Chicago. They are really stuck in the 60's they love the 
product . They have some trouble try to recruit sysprogs to work on the 
beast. I ran from the interview room (not literally ) .. now I remember 
its called MUSIC . They have so much code (of their own) in it they 
really have a fun time with new DASD. Chuckle.


But I believe they have a full screen editor as well.

Ed

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Re: HASP/ASP JES/JES2/JES3

2005-09-26 Thread Bill Fairchild
 
In a message dated 9/26/2005 4:57:10 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

They have some trouble try to recruit sysprogs to work on the  
beast. I ran from the interview room (not literally ) .. now I  remember 
its called MUSIC . They have so much code (of their own) in  it they 
really have a fun time with new DASD. Chuckle.
I remember the name but no details.  I used Wylbur and Superwylbur  from 1975 
to 1978.  Superwylbur has many amazing functions.
 
Bad news about a place like the MUSIC shop - it's a nightmare to  support.
Good news - it's a nightmare to support, so there is job security if you  can 
get past the nightmare learning curve.
 
Bill Fairchild



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Re: Some questions about cross memory services

2005-09-26 Thread Craddock, Chris
 This technique is especially handy if the existence of one or more of
 the non-system LX routines can depend on parameter statements/options
 for the software. Lumping it all together in one large System-LX might
 not be the best option here.

True enough, unless you get creative with ESR-style vectored linkage on
the right hand side of the PC call. Once you've got that knocked, you
can add, subtract, multiply and divide one or more discrete PC calls
into as many functions as you need. Hence, one LX (and one entry table)
does perfectly well for all services and all address spaces. It's what
we do in our infrastructure and we never even have to take anything down
to add new functionality. Sweet.

Now if you need space-switching functionality -into- more than one
server space, you're going to need an LX and PC entry table for each
target server space. Them's the rules and there's no getting around
that, but even then you can use the ESR technique with the PC functions
in each server space and that gives you infinite flexibility. Nifty huh?

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Re: Can't vary offline

2005-09-26 Thread McKown, John
 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bruno Sugliani
 Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 4:07 PM
 To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
 Subject: Re: Can't vary offline
 
 
 On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 15:48:10 -0500, McKown, John 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
snip
 Playing with fire ?
 Yes and no :-)
 Let's put it that way ...  i  helped doing this a good number 
 of times and always got lucky  . What happens if an I/O is 
 sent to a gone DASD/UCB' ? missing interrupts do not 
 necessarily kill a system . Thanks for that . Bruno 
 Bruno(dot)sugliani(at)groupemornay(dot)asso(dot)fr
 

True. It depends on what was on the volume. In this case, being that
there is a non-zero probability of the IPL LNKLST being on this
offline volume, I am just too cowardly to try. Our main argument,
here, for the z/OS system and against Windows is that z/OS simply does
not fail the way that Windows does (local experience, YMMV on Windows
reliability). This is just too dangerous for me for an ex-IPL volume.
Now, for some test volume, sure. I wouldn't mind.

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Re: HASP/ASP JES/JES2/JES3

2005-09-26 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
Ed Gould wrote:
 I don't recall the name of the (I think a Swedish developed program)
 that was similar to Wylbur, but there is a large user of that still
 here in Chicago. They are really stuck in the 60's they love the
 product . They have some trouble try to recruit sysprogs to work on the
 beast. I ran from the interview room (not literally ) .. now I remember
 its called MUSIC . They have so much code (of their own) in it they
 really have a fun time with new DASD. Chuckle.

can you say mcgill university
http://www.answers.com/topic/music-sp

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Re: Some questions about cross memory services

2005-09-26 Thread Edward E. Jaffe

Farley, Peter x23353 wrote:


OK, I admit my ignorance and beg for enlightenment: What is ESR-style
vectored linkage, or where could I learn about it for myself?
 



http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/iea2a860/23.2.2

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Re: Some questions about cross memory services

2005-09-26 Thread Craddock, Chris
 What is ESR-style vectored linkage?

ESR just stands for Extended Service Router. It originated as a way to
map multiple SVC functions into a single SVC number. SVC 109 is an
example.

There is no deep magic involved. Your PC maintains a table, potentially
a table of tables of tables... etc. Your caller indicates which specific
function is needed via a parameter. The PC looks up the desired function
and calls it - typically while handling entry/exit management,
interface-level recovery etc. 

In other words, your single (hardware defined) PC routine serves as a
router to an arbitrarily large number of functions. And if you manage it
carefully you can even make the set of functions dynamically manageable
without having to mess with the entry table.

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Re: Converting MIM to GRS

2005-09-26 Thread Norman Hollander
I'd like to add a few other thoughts onto of Mark's comments.
Yes, I do work for CA, and have supported MIM.  Just a disclosure,
lest some people accuse me of hiding my true identity.  I'm sure there
are some with some negative impressions of MIM; but I did want to mention
what our very large customers have been doing (Mark's site would be
considered large).

MIM can use Control Files on Shared (FICON) DASD, XCF, XES, or CTCs (SCTCs
or 
FCTCs).  All provide excellent performance (when properly tuned).

MII (Multi-Image Manager Integrity) has been used in many shops primarily
for Volumes spanning Sysplexes, sometimes spanning Data Centers.  MII does
learn about how data 
sets are opened so a long list of Inclusions or Exclusions are not really
needed.  Recovery
of MII or restarting it is very easy to do.  No system outages required...

MIA (MIM Allocation) has been used in many shops for sharing Tape devices
(real/reel 
devices, ATLs, VTS, VTAPE) across Sysplexes.  Again, within the same site or
remote.
Remote Tape device usage has increased in many shops with D/R
considerations.  MIA
can also manage devices with z/VM and Linux Guests (something that is
increasing in 
need).

MIC (MIM Console) has been used in many shops for consolidating z/OS
consoles. Again,
consolidation is across Sysplexes and sites, and can be used to consolidate
z/VM and Linux 
Guests.  This is very useful in Server Consolidations on z/VM.

Support for all of the MIM functions has been very good over the years, and
support for 
new hardware and Operating Systems on day 1, has always been there.
 

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On Wed, 21 Sep 2005 00:00:00 GMT, Ted MacNEIL
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MIM in the CF performs just as well as GRS*.
But, I'd rather use the 'free' GRS.
And, I've had too many problems with a certain ISV.


Perhaps, but MII has been very solid code and bery good support over
the years.  Also more dynamic changes than GRS - especially
in past years.  I've had some issues with MIA (tape) in the
past, but no glearing problems with MII (integrity). No one
ever mentions MIC in these threads.  While sysplex will let
you consolodate your consoles within a sysplex, with MIC you
can issue commands and view console messages that span the
boundries of sysplex.

Most people miss the fact that MIM can run with a control file in
the CF and perform as well as GRS STAR, but many shops that run
MIM do so specifically because it can span sysplexes.  Also,
some recent threads (and past threads) talk about a DASD shared
control file.  While you can do that, the best option is CTCONLY
which uses 2 sets of CTCs (primary + backup) for communications
and has a virtual control file that lives on one of the active
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off than with ESCON CTCs. It's not GRS STAR (or MIM in a CF), but
performance is still good.

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Re: Is there any XML parser available on z/OS ?

2005-09-26 Thread Ed Gould

On Sep 26, 2005, at 9:08 AM, Steve Comstock wrote:


Andy Robertson wrote:
On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 04:28:09 -0500, Roger Lowe 
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On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 10:58:15 +0200, CAPRON Romain
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I would like to know if there is an XML parser available on z/OS?



Romain,
Have a look at

http://www-03.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/software/xml/


Also be aware the latest Enterprise COBOL for z/OS (3.3.0) has an XML
PARSE statement built in


Also be aware that Enterprise COBOL 3.3 has an XML GENERATE
statement.

Also be aware that the latetst Enterprise COBOL is 3.4, which
allows 128MiB elements and tables (previous limit: 16MiB).

Kind regards,

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And be aware that IBMs' cobol still doesn't support 64 bits.

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Re: HASP/ASP JES/JES2/JES3

2005-09-26 Thread Ed Gould

On Sep 26, 2005, at 6:19 PM, Anne  Lynn Wheeler wrote:


Ed Gould wrote:

I don't recall the name of the (I think a Swedish developed program)
that was similar to Wylbur, but there is a large user of that still
here in Chicago. They are really stuck in the 60's they love the
product . They have some trouble try to recruit sysprogs to work on 
the
beast. I ran from the interview room (not literally ) .. now I 
remember

its called MUSIC . They have so much code (of their own) in it they
really have a fun time with new DASD. Chuckle.


can you say mcgill university
http://www.answers.com/topic/music-sp

-Err thanks.. more than I ever wanted to know:)


I wonder what (please don't say wintel) that the universities converted 
to.


Ed

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Re: Is there any XML parser available on z/OS ?

2005-09-26 Thread Walter Rue

Also consider the PL/I functions: PLISAXA, PLISAXB.

Go to...
http://www-306.ibm.com/software/awdtools/pli/plizos/

then to the Library side-bar, finally to the Language Reference.

Walter Rue

Roger Lowe wrote:

On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 10:58:15 +0200, CAPRON Romain
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I would like to know if there is an XML parser available on z/OS?



Romain,
  Have a look at

http://www-03.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/software/xml/

Hope that helps.

Roger

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Re: WEBSPHERE: install on Z/OS USS or Z/OS LINUX ?

2005-09-26 Thread Knutson, Sam
It depends but for us Yes.  If 3 Linux images was to become 30 images for
production z/VM is mandatory since I don't have a z9 sitting around and we
run some other work.

What has not been mentioned is that if you don't have z/VM automation of
many images becomes much more complex.  What's the point of centralizing
many servers on one footprint if you don't have good virtualization.  LPAR
will share CPU but not memory.  $10K @ GB although if you spring for a z9 I
think it's discounted to $8K @ GB.  LPAR still falls short when compared to
VM in many respects.

Best Regards,

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Are You saying that from a management and/or operations view, z/VM is
mandatory to get full/enough value out of deploying Linux on zSeries ?
Thomas Berg

==  Knutson, Sam  ==  wrote2005-09-24 19:38:
 Some ramblings on free zLinux.  
 
 z/VM is inexpensive relative to z/OS.  I see z/VM as becoming more 
 strategic in large zSeries sites between Linux on zSeries and CCL as a 
 3745 alternative.

...

 Despite
 the fact we only used three guests during the proof of concept we ran 
 it under z/VM because we wanted to evaluate how bringing z/VM into our 
 shop would impact operations and support staff training needs and 
 operational procedures.  We knew that if we moved forward to 
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Re: IPCS WHERE and OUTTRAP

2005-09-26 Thread Greg Dyck
 The formatting is excellent - the filtering is non-existent.
 As I alluded earlier, the prime (extra) functionality I  see as required
in
 the field is the ability to identify storage leaks. An option to
 eliminate all matched get-free pairs would go a *LONG* way to achieving
 this goal.

I believe IBM researched has dabbled with this, but it is a non-trivial task
to do by IBM or by others.  Some of the complications that immediately come
to mind are being able to free 8 byte multiple of storage at a time
independent of the size of the original request, being able to free multiply
obtained adjacent areas with a single free request, free by subpool, and
region reset processing isn't traced.

Greg

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Re: IPCS WHERE and OUTTRAP

2005-09-26 Thread Tom Schmidt
On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 19:59:17 -0700, Greg Dyck wrote:

I believe IBM research[ed] has dabbled with this, but it is a non-trivial
task to do by IBM or by others.  Some of the complications that
immediately come to mind are being able to free 8 byte multiple of
storage at a time independent of the size of the original request, being
able to free multiply obtained adjacent areas with a single free request,
free by subpool, and region reset processing isn't traced.

Greg,

What does the term region reset processing mean in this context?

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Re: IPCS WHERE and OUTTRAP

2005-09-26 Thread Barbara Nitz
Several comments on this:
First to Bob - thanks for the explanation. That explains why I get three
responses when I ask ip w for the cvtexit address. (Or why IPCS tells me
that an ASCB address is an ASCB.)

Shane, I don't think that IBM is implementing this yet, it was just a
request and Bob alluded to what it would mean. Or am I mistaken?

I believe IBM researched has dabbled with this, but it is a non-trivial
task to do by IBM or by others. Some of the complications that
immediately come to mind are being able to free 8 byte multiple of
storage at a time independent of the size of the original request, being
able to free multiply obtained adjacent areas with a single free request,
free by subpool, and region reset processing isn't traced.

Greg, in this case I believe that just about everyone using GFS traces would
be greatful for an incomplete solution. If the amount of data could get
reduced to the non-trivial cases that you mentioned above, that would be a
great help already. Myself, I am perfectly willing to check the entries of a
GFS trace that are left when the fully matching pairs have been eliminated.
Any chance that this could be made available by IBM (similar to Jims verbx
dmpwrite before I nagged you enough to make it a full command :-) ?)

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Re: WEBSPHERE: install on Z/OS USS or Z/OS LINUX ?

2005-09-26 Thread Thomas Berg

Thanks.  I presumed this, but haven't had any closer view of Linux
used on zSeries so Your opinion give a valuable confirmation.

Thomas Berg

==  Knutson, Sam  ==  wrote2005-09-27 03:58:

It depends but for us Yes.  If 3 Linux images was to become 30 images for
production z/VM is mandatory since I don't have a z9 sitting around and we
run some other work.

What has not been mentioned is that if you don't have z/VM automation of
many images becomes much more complex.  What's the point of centralizing
many servers on one footprint if you don't have good virtualization.  LPAR
will share CPU but not memory.  $10K @ GB although if you spring for a z9 I
think it's discounted to $8K @ GB.  LPAR still falls short when compared to
VM in many respects.

Best Regards,

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msgIEE178I and automation

2005-09-26 Thread Barbara Nitz
We had an excessive disabled spin loop due to an RSM bug that we didn't have
the fix for yet. So far, so bad.
As the person also responsible for system automation, I have been asked to
'automate iee178i' to 1. appear red on the console and 2. send an email when
the spin occurs.

When I looked at routing and descriptor codes for this message, it shows
that it is issued synch=yes, and that rang the bell that this message will
not be presented the usual way and in fact will only be presented to
automation after the spin loop has been resolved. Right, Scott? (in which
case we don't need it red and we don't want an email anymore). 

Now my problem: About four sysprogs were in the room the consoles are, and
all of them swear that they haven't seen the message. 
All of our consoles are behind 2074s, and I have no idea how this spin loop
message would be presented on a 2074 screen or the PCOMM session behind the
2074. (I know that the wait state message after v xcf,offline) is seen for
about a second on such a screen before the 'initial screen' is shown again -
the one that tells us that we have an IP connection).

Yes, we do have a console group for synchdest messages that includes the HMC
and all consoles with master authority - in this case just one, it is a
monoplex. The sysprogs say that they haven't seen the HMC operating system
message icon flash blue (I am not really convinced of that, they were IPLing
another system and were expecting the wait state message for the other
system.)

Does anyone have an idea how iee178i is presented on a 2074 session? Will it
just appear at the top of the screen as long as the spin loop lasts and then
the console is restored to its former display?

We are running SA/390 but are not using any proc/ops functionality. How are
other shops dealing with notifications for synchdest messages when there is
no operator around?

Thanks for reading through this, best regards, Barbara Nitz

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