Re: VTAM not connecting to ISTMNPS - VTAM recycle required ?

2006-09-01 Thread Chris Mason
Anuradha

Well, I'm happy to see that you now can now connect to ISTMNPS.

What you originally described appeared as if it could be an invalid
environment as far as VTAM was concerned and so this End Node requirement,
very firmly stated in the VTAM V4R4 for MVS/ESA Implementation Guide (June
1997) redbook, seemed most likely. This redbook was the only one I
remembered which addressed this topic. However, the SNA in a Parallel
Sysplex Environment (December 1998) which you have been using is eighteen
months later and has the most recent changes at that time. Among the changes
in the meantime had been the relaxation to allow the use of a VTAM Network
Node. Interestingly enough - I've been refreshing my memory of how MNPS
works - the change exposes the customer to the possibility that sessions are
launched into an invalid configuration which was prevented when the End Node
restriction existed.

Turning to this post, it seems that the problem was explained when VTAM
started but I expect you just hadn't seen it. It would appear that when you
try the
V NET,CFS,ACTION=CONNECT,STRNAME=ISTMNPS command, VTAM doesn't respond
because it somehow has recorded that it has already tried and failed and so
isn't going to try again. VTAM perhaps should issue a message to remind you
that it has already tried and failed with an unrecoverable error.

I'm sure you looked up the explanation of the IXL013I and IXL015I messages
and then found your way to the information required to set the correct
structure size. I'm surprised that your system wasn't built with an
appropriate size as default. I'm glad you managed to work that out for
yourself because I have no experience actually fiddling with these coupling
facility structures.

Incidentally I notice you have - perhaps in desperation - at some time
issued MODIFY NET,MSGMOD=YES so that you get the 5-character module
identification in your VTAM (IST) messages.

Finally to answer your question, the reason you had to re-IPL in order to
have the changed sizes come into effect is almost certainly because this is
a major change to the coupling facility structures.

I glanced through the MNPS chapter in the SNA in a Parallel Sysplex
Environment redbook but I cannot find any text which suggests that this
sort of a change would not need a re-IPL. The command you mention is only to
cause the connect to take place. I don't know all that much about coupling
facility structures but it seems logical that a change involving the size of
the structure would need, firstly, that the change is made in all systems in
the parallel sysplex which are going to connect to the structure, secondly,
all disconnect and, thirdly, all connect (again). This is because the
structure is built when the first connect is made. Perhaps the Parallel
Sysplex Operational Scenarios redbook has more to say on this subject
somewhere.

Chris Mason

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 Hi All,

 Is VTAM recycle required when the ISTMNPS structure is changed?

 I understand from the Redbooks that its is not.
 VTAM is supposed to automatically detect the changes.
 If needed we could do 'V NET,CFS,ACTION=CONNECT,STRNAME=ISTMNPS'.

 While VTAM started for the first time it had the following error:
 IXL013I IXLCONN REQUEST FOR STRUCTURE ISTMNPS FAILED.
 IST1365I FSNCN CONNECTION ATTEMPT TO STRUCTURE ISTMNPS FAILED
 IST1366I FSNCN MVS MACRO IXLCONN FAILED - RTN CODE= 0C - REAS
 IXLCONN RETURN CODE: 000C,  REASON CODE: 02010C08
 CONADIAG0:   0002
 CONADIAG1:   0008
 CONADIAG2:   0C08
 IXL015I STRUCTURE ALLOCATION INFORMATION FOR
 STRUCTURE ISTMNPS, CONNECTOR NAME NETB_CDRMDOS
 CFNAME ALLOCATION STATUS/FAILURE REASON
    -
 ICF11  INVALID STRUCTURE SIZE
 ICF21  INVALID STRUCTURE SIZE

 I then increased the INITSIZE and SIZE.

 In my environment a VTAM recycle(IPL) alone made VTAM aware of the ISTMNPS
 structure change.

 Regards,
 Anu

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Re: 27x132?

2006-09-01 Thread Chris Mason
Shmuel

Perhaps my memory is failing me in my dotage so I tried Googling. I found
many references to the 2260 being monochrome but no author had the wit to
mention what the chrome might be.

I did receive conformation that the 2260 is closely related to the 2250
which appears to have come first, 2250: 1964, 2260: 1965. I actually saw a
2250-like display being used as a system console at the IBM Santa Teresa
labs. I'm pretty sure the characters were orange - and were somewhat
distorted because - I believe I recall - they had to be rendered from short
straight lines.

I thought I'd hit the jackpot with the page referenced below. I saw colour
pictures emerge on the right but the 2260 only shows a black and white
image. The text claims that the 2260 was white on black - which I know is
wrong!

http://www.smartcomputing.com/articles/2003/s1401/36s01/36s01.pdf?guid=#search=%22%22IBM%202260%20display%22%22

Chris Mason

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 What colour were the characters? If they were green I expect it was a
 3277 Model 1. If they were orange it was a 2260.

 My recollection is that the 2260 and every monochrome 3270 before the
 3290 was green.

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Re: 27x132?

2006-09-01 Thread Chris Mason
Shmuel

You have objected to something I wrote by taking it out of context. The
quoted text is taken from a review of the NextGen 3270 material referenced
by Edward Jaffe in the post to which I was responding. This is all about
having the dimensions configured using 3270 emulator (or simulator as you
prefer) functions.

What you are telling us is very interesting but concerns the use of the
dimension fields in the BIND request.

Chris Mason

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at 05:37 AM, Chris Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

 Thus the default presentation space dimensions need *not* necessarily
 always be 24 rows and 80 columns. It may only be a convention that
 they are so limited, a convention established by the choice taken by
 devices which follow the initial design choice of the models 3, 4 and
 5 3278 displays.

 The 3180 and 3192 displays could be configured to look like standard
 3278 models 2-5 or like extended models 2-5, indicated by model
 numbers 2+, 3+, 4+, 5+ or 6-9, depending on which of the two is under
 discussion. The extended model numbers allowed a BIND in which the
 primary size was *not* 24x80. This functionality was also available on
 later 3270 devices. The extended modes were fully supported by CMS, by
 TPX, by TSO and by ISPF, at least when the primary size was 43x80 and
 the secondary 27x132, which was what I used.

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Re: 27x132?

2006-09-01 Thread Chris Mason
Shmuel

Well, I had difficulty finding how best to describe the non-SNA
channel-attached mode of 3270 connection. It actually doesn't seem correct
always to be calling it non-SNA when it predates SNA. It differs from
fully fledged SNA in that the SNA protocols are terminated in VTAM logic
and VTAM is obliged to drive the device with channel programming which owes
nothing to SNA protocols - or what one may call SNA-approved data link
control protocols, such as
- the channel programming used for communications controllers or the 3x74 A
models
- the LAN protocol connection-oriented 802.2 or
- SDLC
The latter two being in recognition that VTAM has also has (had) to deal
with integrated adapters.

It's the constant anticipation of enfilading fire from a quarter within
rifle range that prompts the need to try to be comprehensive ...

Incidentally, talking of this particular pre-SNA 3270 CCW programming, there
is, by and large, a correspondence between the CCW command codes and the
3270 data stream commands codes.

Regarding changing the dimensions on the fly from the device/emulator, I
reflected on this further as you may have noticed following a comment from
Gerhard Postpischil. I imagine it may actually be possible to have a
controlled environment given that mechanisms exist for the application to be
told that the dimensions have changed and so the application can query the
dimensions in order to be in synchronization once again.

Chris Mason

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at 04:42 AM, Chris Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

 If you check my earlier post where I try to cover all of this, you
 will see that VTAM is not involved.

 See below.

 There is, of course, the possibility you are running a 3270 device
 or emulator which is non-SNA channel-attached. In this case VTAM
 is involved because it provides another layer of emulation, mapping
 CCW-driven data exchanges to the SNA session that the application
 sees.

 VTAM also must do CCW chain management for SNA channel attached
 controllers.

 I tried to work out what might happen if you played fast and loose
 with presentation space dimension specifications while VTAM was
 trying to maintain the SNA session.

 Chaos. The safe way is to let the application control size changes via
 explicit partitions. Possibly there should be an asynchronous request
 for the application to change the screen size, but the secondary LU
 should maintain the old screen size if the request is declined

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Re: 27x132?

2006-09-01 Thread Chris Mason
Shmuel

Context again. Take a look at the Wikipedia page
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_3270
copied regrettably in a number of other places such as the your reference
which was
http://www.answers.com/topic/3270

Here's the copy and paste of the first three items listed:

3277 model 1 : 16×40 terminal
3277 model 2 : 24×80 terminal, the biggest success of all
3277 model 3 : 32×80 terminal

This shows the original error, the model 1, the cause of the original post
in this sub-thread. The certainty that it is an error is supported by the
presence of the fictitious model 3. This is too much typo to be credible
as such.

If you have documentation to hand you may be able to work out what the
special Model 3 is I remember associated with the 3275 somehow also
associated with having a printer (a 3284 ?) attached. The more I try to
recall what this Model 3 was, the more I think it must have been a special
model of 3284 printer.

Chris Mason

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 Your reference mentions a 3277-3 shortly after the line you quoted.

 Typo. Are you talking about text in the 3277 documentation, and, if
 so, what page?

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Re: 27x132?

2006-09-01 Thread Chris Mason
Shmuel

Once again you are commenting critically on what I have written without
having bothered to check the context. Because of this we are going round in
circles because we have been this way before very recently.

The context is the following question from Tom Marchant: Does anyone know
how to set the primary screen size in IBM Personal Communications?

In case I have to spell it out, I am pretty certain that Tom, being aware
that the alternate dimensions could be specified by PCOMM customization, was
asking how the default (primary) dimensions could be specified, also by
PCOMM customization. I'm sure Tom will explain if I - and Alan - have
misunderstood him.

Chris Mason

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 In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 08/29/2006
at 04:39 AM, Chris Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

 As confirmed by Alan Altmark, PCOMM follows microcode 3270
 implementations such as are described in 3174 Establishment
 Controller, Functional Description, GA23-0218-11:

 http://publibfp.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr/BOOKS/cn7a7003

 Thus 24 rows and 80 columns are always returned in the default fields
 of the Query Reply and so they are not configured anywhere.

 That is *not* the behavior of a real 3270 attached to a real 3174. In
 particular, it is not the behavior of a 3180 or 3192 attached to a
 3174. The contents of the Query Reply is affected by the contents of
 the BIND. BTDTGTTS.

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Re: 27x132?

2006-09-01 Thread Chris Mason
Shmuel

I think you may have me - finally. But you should have said that the clever
machines which allowed customization - using customization of the device,
let's be clear about that - of the default (primary) dimensions, namely,
using your input, the 3180 and 3179[1], are a newer, not older,
generation of 3270s, given that my example was a 3278.

... at least I think that's what you are claiming. This is interesting since
using such devices - if anyone still has them - or, I would expect, later
generations of 3270 displays which had a fancy name I can't remember - was
it something weird like InfoTerminal or InfoSystem? - it would be possible
to exercise Edward Jaffe's enhancement using these devices. It's
interesting that he didn't consider 3270 display devices in the NextGen
3270 document, only 3270 emulators.

You're also right that the Query Reply is not relevant when considering
how the 7F option may be used. Nevertheless, I believe with some 3270
applications (probably not TSO given the hammering it gets from savvy users)
you had better allow Erase Write to cause the presentation space to assume
dimensions of 24 rows and 80 columns, mainly because older
subapplications, perhaps customer-written and lacking ongoing support, will
assume the Model 2 dimensions.

On the other hand I can't make sense of No, I was talking about the
dimensions on the 3275 and 3277, which didn't have EWA or Read Partition
Query.

[1] My presentation notes say that the 3179, specifically the 3179G, does
not support the use of the unspecified screen size BIND. This is the sort
of point I would have made only having tested it.

Chris Mason

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 You took the quote for your second point out of context.

 No. You forgot that there was an older generation of 3270's.

 typically was added because the Query Reply

 There didn't use to be a Query Reply; that came later.

 I believe you are talking about dimensions you set using the X'7F'
 code in the penultimate byte of the PSERVIC operand.

 No, I was talking about the dimensions on the 3275 and 3277, which
 didn't have EWA or Read Partition Query.

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Re: 27x132?

2006-09-01 Thread Chris Mason
Ed

I seem to recall in the late '80s hearing about an IBM Human Factors lab
also in Rome.

Chris Mason

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 In a message dated 8/29/2006 10:48:56 A.M. Central Standard Time,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 My  recollection is that the 2260 and every monochrome 3270 before the
 3290 was  green.




 
 Part of SHARE and IT in general is Human Factors. Ergonomics, color, tilt,
 tactile feel, neutral hand and eye position, abbreviated command structure
are
 analyzed for cause and effect. For many years IBM had a Human factors lab
in
 Almaden, but don't know if they still do. PARC and Alan Kay analyzed in
 detail  the 'modern office' and laid the ground work for much how we work
today.

 Joan Winters from SLAC head the Human Factors projects at SHARE for many
 years and usually took home the prize for best session. IIRC the green
screen
 was for IBM monitors. Other vendors, Memorex, GRID, and a few others
extended
 the research into more efficient phosphors(persistence) and had other
colors
 available.

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Re: 27x132?

2006-09-01 Thread Chris Mason
Pat

Knowing what the presentation space dimensions are determines where the
presentation logic starts a new row when the 3270 data stream gets to the
end (last column) of the current row and where to start again from the
beginning when the data stream gets to the end of the last row.

This needs to be agreed before the first 3270-compressed data stream makes
its way outbound prefixed with an Erase Write command for the default
(also called by some primary) dimensions - or -  an Erase Write Altenate
command for the alternate dimensions.

You may be familiar with fields being positioned using row and column
numbers using some higher-level technique for designing 3270 layouts but,
on the wire, the address data is just a single number which starts at 0
(top left) and logically ought to stop at the row count multiplied by the
column count (bottom right) but can wrap.

Actually I'm not 100% sure what you are saying here.

In response to a post by Gerhard Postpischil I imagined a possible scenario
where an end-user used local customization to adjust the presentation
space dimensions and how an application program, having been alerted that
there had been a change, could query the new dimensions and continue.

What is established with the BIND depends on that penultimate byte in
PSERVIC as follows - sorry for repeating all this stuff but it may serve a
purpose:

The diagram below need a non-proportional font to be read clearly.

 Presentation Space Dimensions
 Default   Alternate

02 | 24/80   | 24/80
7F | 7/8 bytes in PSERVIC| 9/10 bytes in PSERVIC
7E | 7/8 bytes in PSERVIC| 7/8 bytes in PSERVIC
03 | default in Query Reply[1] | alternate in Query Reply

[1] It may be legitimate for the application to assume 24 by 80

I may as well include Edward Jaffe's addition which enhanvcement within the
same table:

00 | default in Query Reply| alternate in Query Reply

You can see this is identical to the 03 option - except that the caution
over what the application may assume for the default dimensions no longer
applies.

Note that the dimensions returned in the Query Reply are what tells the
application what has been customized - or assumed - for the presentation
space dimensions by the 3270 display device or 3270 emulator. For options
other than the 03 option, what are specified in the PSERVIC bytes (although
the application could make changes, adjust the dimensions, for example,
between CINIT and BIND) necessarily become the presentation space dimensions
used by the the device or emulator, assuming the BIND is not rejected.

Note that all those options apply equally to sessions bound as LU type 0
(understood privately to be using a 3270 data stream, an example of
collusion). I worried that there may be a possibility of ambiguiy in using
X'00' in the penultimate byte. I wrestled for some time with the possibility
of problems with the application but now I see problems with the emulator.
The conclusion is that the emulator should assume 24 rows and 80 columns -
for the Erase Write only (since, for the purposes of the issue under
discussion[1], it will not ever receive an Erase Write Alternate) if there
is no X'80' in the second byte of the equivalent PSERVIC operand and *not*
whatever may have been customized for the default dimensions - or - probably
better, if the emulator has not had to respond to a Read Partition Query
and hence knows that the application knows - or should know - what the
applicable dimensions are - that is, there is a reasonable chance that there
has been no need for collusion.

[1] I have to be so careful with a certain somebody waiting in the wings.
g

Chris Mason

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 On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 04:42:59 +0200, Chris Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

 In the past (in other venues like the old TalkLink) I've joked about the
 length and complexity of Chris's append to threads on various fora.  Well,
 he's now shown that isn't always the case.  Sometimes they are short.  But
 you get 47 of them. :-)

 ...
 Once within the SNA session, you are stuck with the dimensions determined
 when the session was started. If, somehow, the device or emulator detects
 that there has been a change of dimensions, a sense code is available to
 warn the application that all is not as it should be, one of 082A, 082B
or
 084A.
 ...

 I was thinking about that.  Nothing forces LUs to abide by characteristics
 specified in the BIND.  If the LUs were in collusion they could agree on a
 technique for redefining the presentation space dimensions at will.  This
 would take them out of the standard 3270 datastream, though, so they
 would be able to communicate with with LUs designed around the 3270
 datastream.  In general, flexable but pretty useless.

 Pat O'Keefe


Re: S.M.S. Question

2006-09-01 Thread Douglas Shupe

Willie,
John has you looking in the right places.
I would first find out what the allocation request was. Was it something
'wrong' like 4000 Cylinders? z/OS 1.6 gives the KB of the request.
Did the volumes enabled have the space available? Suspect not if you are
allocating into the overflow pool.

I keep the status of the overflow pool in QUIALL on each system. I recall
hounding IBM about this some time ago, the IBMLINK item might be one I
caused but like John, it is not at my finger tips this minute.
The Allocation/migration Threshold  plays a big part in how and when
allocations will occur in the overflow storage group.  By keeping the
overflow Storage Group set to QUIALL, allocations will only go there when 
the primary Storage Group
is truly full.  Trial and error is your friend.  IBM 'should have' created 
a

new field for the allocation threshold when they introduced the overflow
pool concept, would make it much simpler to understand and control.

This Storage Group is like your PRIMARY storage group.
STORGRP  EXTEND
NAME OVERFLOW  SG NAME
--(2)---  --(41)-- --(42)-- 
SGDB3X   NO SGDBPRDO


This is like your SPARE.
STORGRP  EXTEND
NAME OVERFLOW  SG NAME
--(2)---   --(41)--   --(42)--
SGDBPRDO YES  

In my SMS storage group routine I assign both--
SET STORGRP = 'SGDB3X','SGDBPRDO'

Storage Group Name  : SGDBPRDO
To ALTER Storage Group, Specify:
Description == DB2 PRODUCTION OVERFLOW AND EXTEND POOL
==
Auto Migrate . . N  (Y, N, I or P)   Migrate Sys/Sys Group Name . .
Auto Backup  . . N  (Y or N) Backup Sys/Sys Group Name  . .
Auto Dump  . . . N  (Y or N) Dump Sys/Sys Group Name  . . .
Overflow . . . . Y  (Y or N) Extend SG Name . . . . . . . .
 Copy Pool Backup SG Name . . .
Dump Class . . . (1 to 8 characters)
Dump Class . . . Dump Class . . .
Dump Class . . . Dump Class . . .
Allocation/migration Threshold: High . . 99  (1-99)  Low  . .
(0-99)
Guaranteed Backup Frequency  . . . . . .   (1 to  or NOLIMIT)


Storage Group Name : SGDBPRDO
Storage Group Type : POOL
To ALTER Storage Group System/   ( Poss
Sys Group Status, Specify: for
  - Po
System/Sys  SMS SG   System/Sys  SMS SG
Group Name  Status   Group Name  Status
--  --   --  --   - Ta
WD00   === QUIALL   WD01   === QUIALL
WD02   === QUIALL   WD03   === QUIALL
WD04   === QUIALL   WD10   === QUIALL   - Co
WD11   === QUIALL  ===
   === ===  * SY
Regards,
Doug Shupe

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Re: outbound TCP/IP question

2006-09-01 Thread Chris Mason
Bret

I'm glad John remembered to mention this function to you - I'd forgotten -
and I had to describe it in a report so you'd think I'd remember.

The function is however very well described in the OSA-Express
Implementation Guide redbook, Appendix G, ARP Takeover. A good knowledge
of the ARP protocol helps in understanding how this function works.

John

As boys will be boys, bigots will be bigots.

Chris Mason

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  Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 9:49 AM
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  Subject: outbound TCP/IP question
 
 
  Hello,
 
  We have 3 OSA ports (IP's) defined in our TCP/IP stack on our
  z890.  We
  recently converted our print center to TCP/IP printing.  What we have
  noticed is only the first port (IP) defined in the stack is being
  utilized for outbound TCP/IP traffic.  Is there a setting
  within TCP/IP
  that we are not aware of that is limiting the use to the one
  port (IP)?
  We really expected to see all 3 being utilized.

 Look at IPCONFIG MULTIPATH. The default is NOMULTIPATH

 
  Our main concern is if the first port has a hardware problem
  will TCPIP
  use one of the other 2 ports (IP's) or will we have an outage to deal
  with?

 Yes, you will automatically use one of the other OSA cards. In fact, we
 had this happen. We have two active OSA cards, only using one port on
 each card. When one of the OSA cards failed, the other OSA card
 automatically did an ARP takeover (or something like that). That is,
 every session that was going to the failed card transparently went over
 to the other OSA card. Neat! The surviving OSA card even responded to
 the other OSA card's IP address for pings and session establishment.

 When the first OSA card was fixed, we just did a VARY command to get the
 I/O addresses back ONLINE to z/OS, then a TCPIP START command to restart
 the device. At this point, the second OSA stopped doing the ARP
 takeover and traffic again, transparently without any outage, went back
 to the first OSA card.

 This was truly wonderful and surprised the holy elided out of the
 Windows networking people. They thought the entire z/OS system would
 fail or at least TCPIP. When everything just kept working, they were
 stunned and disbelieving. Even so, they still thing Windows is superior
 to z/OS in every way, manner, and form. sigh You can't even rub their
 noses in it to any effect.

 
  Any help with this would be greatly appreciated.
 
  Thank you,
  Bret Hoesly


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Re: IBM announces Encrypting tape drives

2006-09-01 Thread R.S.

Russell Witt wrote:


Too bad that they still leave all their virtual-tape clients hanging in the
wind however. 


Tape drive encryption is really cool, why some many of us complain on 
it? Nobody said it solve all our problems.

One has a choice:
- use necryption at the drive level: fast, secure, convenient
- use software tools like Encryption Facility: slower, but secure and 
could be convenient (DSS plug)

- use RYO application with or without ICSF
- do nothing. Stay unencrypted, like 10 years ago.
- do nothing and complain.
- wait for virtual drives with encryption (optionally still complain and 
do nothing)



For a large shop that is used to 50-100 virtual-drives online
doing work in parallel with 8 physical drives in the back-ground stacking
all the data together they now have the choice (?) of going out and buying
50-100 physical drives (which would also mean an additional number of
robot's or additional operator head-count). Or they could just slow-down the
batch work and not run so much in parallel. What a choice. 


It is also possible to change the application. Get rid of old stinking 
tape DDnames with 50MB datasets. Use DASD instead. Exploit TMM, HSM, 
ML12. The need for virtual tapes will also decrease.

It's time to wake up and refresh the mainframe dino a little bit.
Tapes are for backup (and partially DR), remote copy is for DR, DASD is 
for data processing (batch), communication links are for data interchange.


My $0.02


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Re: IBM announces Encrypting tape drives

2006-09-01 Thread Shane
On Fri, 2006-09-01 at 13:13 +0200, R.S. wrote:
...
 It is also possible to change the application. Get rid of old stinking 
 tape DDnames with 50MB datasets. Use DASD instead. Exploit TMM, HSM, 
 ML12. The need for virtual tapes will also decrease.

Nope. Not even close.
The MIP/MSU/M-thingy cost of HSM in a decent sized TMM environment is
bloody horrendous. Outrageous even.
Not to mention the (mainframe) DASD cost.
The ML1 occupancy is way too expensive. And it gets in the way of all
the other HSM housekeeping - *and* it's all charged at mainframe MIPs
rates. Just a non-optimal solution.

TMM for *SMALL* usage works. Once it grows, virtual tape wins hands
down.

Shane ...

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PHYSICAL info missing in RMF type 70

2006-09-01 Thread Nick Varley
Apologies if this is old hat, I couldn't find any matches from searching 
the archives.

Has anyone run into RMF type 70 records where the PHYSICAL partition 
detail is missing.  Specifically, the entry is there in the Partition Data 
section of the record, but the number of CPUs is 0 in field SMF70BDN, and 
despite there being a valid-looking offset into the Logical Processor 
section in SMF70BDS, there is no data present.

This is a z/OS V1.4 system running on a 2096-P04. It was OK when it was 
running on a 9672-RD6.

Any pointers greatly appreciated..

Nick

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Re: PHYSICAL info missing in RMF type 70

2006-09-01 Thread Shane
On Fri, 2006-09-01 at 06:21 -0500, Nick Varley wrote:
 Apologies if this is old hat, I couldn't find any matches from searching 
 the archives.
 
 Has anyone run into RMF type 70 records where the PHYSICAL partition 
 detail is missing.  Specifically, the entry is there in the Partition Data 
 section of the record, but the number of CPUs is 0 in field SMF70BDN, and 
 despite there being a valid-looking offset into the Logical Processor 
 section in SMF70BDS, there is no data present.
 
 This is a z/OS V1.4 system running on a 2096-P04. It was OK when it was 
 running on a 9672-RD6.

Mmmm - the RMF shipped with z/OS 1.4 needed a bit of work to even
recognise the z890. ECMB maybe ...
z9 would be stretching the friendship a bit I'd reckon.
Do an z/OS upgrade.
Pronto.

Shane ...

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Re: 27x132?

2006-09-01 Thread Gerhard Postpischil

Chris Mason wrote:

Perhaps my memory is failing me in my dotage so I tried Googling. I found
many references to the 2260 being monochrome but no author had the wit to
mention what the chrome might be.


At ADR we got four 2260s circa 1968, and I definitely remember those as 
having green letters [a colleague and I wrote a Battleship game, and as 
a result of our demonstrated expertise (!) with the hardware won a CIA 
contract to convert a text processing and search program from 709x 
assembler) . I do remember visiting PRC, and noting their Sanders 
terminals with blue phosphors. I also remember Hazeltines being orange, 
but believe those were asynchronous, rather than 327x.


Gerhard Postpischil
Bradford, VT

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Re: Define and build alternative index path error under SMS-managed volume

2006-09-01 Thread John Kington
Tommy,
The key is to pass a volser to the following step. You can just change the
DSN= to
use a temporary name.
As someone else mentioned, you can omit IDCUT* DDs if you add DFSORT to
the BLDINDEX command. That may be worth a test. We use a third party
product
to build alternate indices and the IDCUT* DDs may never actually be used in
our
shop.
Good luck.
John

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Re: 27x132?

2006-09-01 Thread Gerhard Postpischil

Chris Mason wrote:

If you have documentation to hand you may be able to work out what the
special Model 3 is I remember associated with the 3275 somehow also
associated with having a printer (a 3284 ?) attached. The more I try to
recall what this Model 3 was, the more I think it must have been a special
model of 3284 printer.


We never had a model 3 328x printer, but I did own a 3279, which had a 
32*80 screen size, that being the model 3. I currently have a 3179, 
which unfortunately isn't as good, and a 3180 that can be configured as 
any of 1 through 5 (fixed size, 12*80, ..., 43*80, and 27*132), or 6-9 
(24*80 primary, with alternate of 2-5).


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Re: 27x132?

2006-09-01 Thread Chris Mason
Gerhard

Sometimes I do the obvious, namely use the right Google search words.

I tried again with  3275 3284 IBM Model 3  and the first hit gave this
as the sample text:

Printadapter: For the 3275: specifies whether the printer adapter feature
and corresponding 3284 Printer Model 3 are present on the 3275 Display
Station. ...

When I pulled up the page itself, nary a search word to be found!

It was the same with the second hit but the third hit was some sort of
reference manual with the following text: Specifies whether or not the IBM
3275 terminal being defined has an IBM 3284 model 3 printer attached.

Sure we all know about 3278 Model 3, and following machines with Models 3,
but in the days of the original 327x range, I remembered only one Model 3
and that 3284 printer is it.

Chris Mason

P.S. I'm at home with the TV on in the background and someone just said Get
a life - right!

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 Chris Mason wrote:
  If you have documentation to hand you may be able to work out what the
  special Model 3 is I remember associated with the 3275 somehow also
  associated with having a printer (a 3284 ?) attached. The more I try to
  recall what this Model 3 was, the more I think it must have been a
special
  model of 3284 printer.

 We never had a model 3 328x printer, but I did own a 3279, which had a
 32*80 screen size, that being the model 3. I currently have a 3179,
 which unfortunately isn't as good, and a 3180 that can be configured as
 any of 1 through 5 (fixed size, 12*80, ..., 43*80, and 27*132), or 6-9
 (24*80 primary, with alternate of 2-5).

 Gerhard Postpischil
 Bradford, VT

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Re: 27x132?

2006-09-01 Thread Chris Mason
Gerhard

Maybe I've discovered a new medical condition retrospective colour
blindness.

Incidentally, the 2260 was start-stop.

Chris Mason

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 Chris Mason wrote:
  Perhaps my memory is failing me in my dotage so I tried Googling. I
found
  many references to the 2260 being monochrome but no author had the wit
to
  mention what the chrome might be.

 At ADR we got four 2260s circa 1968, and I definitely remember those as
 having green letters [a colleague and I wrote a Battleship game, and as
 a result of our demonstrated expertise (!) with the hardware won a CIA
 contract to convert a text processing and search program from 709x
 assembler) . I do remember visiting PRC, and noting their Sanders
 terminals with blue phosphors. I also remember Hazeltines being orange,
 but believe those were asynchronous, rather than 327x.

 Gerhard Postpischil
 Bradford, VT

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ordering 1.7 before cutoff

2006-09-01 Thread Eric Weil

I would like to order 1.7 soon as it is getting too close to cutoff for
comfort.

What are the penalties and timeframes  for ordering a new release  and not
putting it into  production within a few months?

eric weil, sysprog

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Re: ordering 1.7 before cutoff

2006-09-01 Thread Bob Shannon
What are the penalties and timeframes  for ordering a new release  and
not
putting it into  production within a few months?

None. Oredr 1.7 and then order a PDO when you're ready to install.

Bob Shannon
Rocket Software

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Re: ordering 1.7 before cutoff

2006-09-01 Thread Mark Jacobs
On Friday 01 September 2006 10:09, Eric Weil wrote:
 I would like to order 1.7 soon as it is getting too close to cutoff for
 comfort.

 What are the penalties and timeframes  for ordering a new release  and not
 putting it into  production within a few months?

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No penalties, but it is best to order as close as possible to install so IBM 
can build it at a later service level than if you ordered it six months prior 
to instation.

In the case of zOS 1.7, I would order it asap. This way if something goes 
wrong with the order you still have time to reorder prior to end of 
availability.
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Re: ordering 1.7 before cutoff

2006-09-01 Thread Daniel A. McLaughlin
Just got my 1.7 in. I asked for 3590 tapes..they came in J, or 
compressed.

Be aware of that if you have older 3590 drives in house.

Admittedly, I may have asked for compressedYMMV




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Re: 27x132?

2006-09-01 Thread Ed Finnell
 
In a message dated 9/1/2006 7:17:48 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I do  remember visiting PRC, and noting their Sanders 
terminals with blue  phosphors. I also remember Hazeltines being orange, 
but believe those were  asynchronous, rather than 327x.




Few of the labs had the TI/Orange graphics terminals and they had a few  
'games' but nothing more advanced than  'Asteroids'.  

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Re: IPL intervals

2006-09-01 Thread Ted MacNEIL
I was thinking the same thing.  I have managed to avoid doing this (to date), 
but we have had more than one operator activate/deactivate the wrong image by 
mistake. 

Before PRSM/HPLF/MDF, I had occasion to go to the wrong service console and 
stop the wrong machine.

Also, I remember when MDF came out, there was no prompt to ask the operator if 
they were sure that they want to take down the Domain they were trying take 
down.
So, sometimes Production Faw down and go boom!
Amdahl put a prompt in and the Operator's behavior became:
Yes! Oh, sh*t!, and Production still fell down.
Amdahl took the prompt back out, because it didn't protect anything making it 
needless coding.

The only protection is perfection!

When in doubt.
PANIC!!

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Re: IPL intervals

2006-09-01 Thread McKown, John
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 Subject: Re: IPL intervals
 
 
 I was thinking the same thing.  I have managed to avoid 
 doing this (to date), but we have had more than one operator 
 activate/deactivate the wrong image by mistake. 
 
 Before PRSM/HPLF/MDF, I had occasion to go to the wrong 
 service console and stop the wrong machine.
 
 Also, I remember when MDF came out, there was no prompt to 
 ask the operator if they were sure that they want to take 
 down the Domain they were trying take down.
 So, sometimes Production Faw down and go boom!
 Amdahl put a prompt in and the Operator's behavior became:
 Yes! Oh, sh*t!, and Production still fell down.
 Amdahl took the prompt back out, because it didn't protect 
 anything making it needless coding.
 
 The only protection is perfection!

What I would like is for an option so that the HMC would __refuse__ to
IPL or deactivate , or do any disruptive operation on an LPAR which
had one or more virtual CPUs not in a wait state. It would be even nicer
if I could pick the wait state code so that an IPL could not occur
unless: (1) the W bit is on in every CPU assigned to the LPAR and (2)
the code in the PSW is x'CCC', which is the code that a QUIESCE commands
puts the CPU. Something similar could be done for z/VSE, z/VM, and
z/Linux as well. Of course, if a crash occurred, there needs to be a
way to override this. But I think most operators could be taught to not
do the override without authorization. After all, the operator should
not IPL if a system does a hard wait as SOP. This isn't Windows, after
all.

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Re: IPL intervals

2006-09-01 Thread Daniel A. McLaughlin
I was thinking the same thing.  I have managed to avoid doing this (to 
date), but we have had more than one operator activate/deactivate the 
wrong image by mistake.   

  We keep the DISRUPIVE TASKS lock on to avoid an accidental IPL. 




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APAR OA16111, BlueZone, and Vista (Was: 27x132?)

2006-09-01 Thread Edward Jaffe

Chris Mason wrote:

It is APAR OA16111 which offers the flexibility Edward invites you to
appreciate. You need this APAR in order for the presentation space
dimensions to be set by specifications within a suitable 3270 emulator - not
currently PCOMM, you'll need BlueZone or Vista - rather than the mode table
entry with the X'7F' specification in the penultimate byte of the PSERVIC
operand as given in the referenced post.
  


BlueZone and Vista are the only emulators so far (that I know of -- 
someone correct me if I'm wrong) in which the primary (default) screen 
size may be configured by the end user and passed back to the host via RPQ.


Configuring this in BlueZone is easy. You go to Session - Configure... 
and click the 3270 Emulation tab. There is a pull-down for Default 
Screen Model Type. If you select Custom Size (the last choice), the 
resulting dialog box allows you to configure both primary and alternate 
sizes.


You might be a bit confused with Vista because it's not readily apparent 
where you're supposed to specify the primary size. Tom Brennan thought 
the new parameters would be confusing to normal users (his 
apprehension was understandable given that he implemented this 
functionality before anyone other than Phoenix Software was prepared to 
exploit it) and so he hid them a bit. You need to find the VISTA.INI 
file (wherever Windows stores that) and add the following line at the 
bottom and restart Vista. The Options Misc tab is where you can 
configure the primary size.


AllowDefaultSizeChange=1

With one of these emulators and APAR OA16111 (or the ANCAS24 usermod), you can 
use TSO/E with fully-customizable primary and alternate screen sizes using one 
of the D4x32XX0 logmodes shown at 
ftp://ftp.phoenixsoftware.com/pub/demo/logmodes.txt. Keep in mind that most 
3270-based applications (TSO included) prefer 80-column primary screen sizes; 
it's highly recommended.

What I was trying to say earlier was that you can get similar functionality 
_right now_ using other emulators, including PCOMM, without OA16111 by using 
one of the Pxxx logmodes shown (or your own similar one). Of course, this 
is highly problematic as a general solution because you need a logmode on the 
host for every possible size combination a user might desire and user-friendly 
mechanisms for communicating the names of those logmodes and for actually 
specifying which of them is to be used when establishing a session with TSO/E. 
This alternative *can* be made to work. It's just not ever going to be a 
mainstream solution.

Allowing the end user to configure both sizes in their emulator's GUI configuration 
dialog is the only solution with any real potential for mainstream acceptance and 
pervasive implementation. It's an iterative process. Once *all* of the TSO/E support is 
generally-available out-of-the-box, getting additional emulators (including 
PCOMM) to support this concept should be easy.


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Re: Converting data into Unicode

2006-09-01 Thread Charles Mills
I'm not really an expert but seeing as how you haven't gotten any other
answers, and I have one or two z/OS Unicode scars, I'll take a stab at this.

Your second question first - sure there are lots of other ways to convert to
Unicode. One obvious way - Enterprise COBOL has extensive Unicode support
now.

I don't *know* if FTP uses the z/OS Unicode translation facilities but I am
going to guess it does. Do you have the proper Unicode tables built and
installed? What does a D UNI,ALL console command show?

Your input dataset is named '...UNLOAD'. If it is an IEBCOPY or TSO TRANSMIT
unload dataset I don't think it will survive translation to Unicode because
it would include non-character data, and non-character data suffers badly
during any character set conversion. Perhaps I am reading too much into the
name and your source dataset is pure EBCDIC character data.

Charles

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Hello,

   I've been tasked with creating Unicode files from a z/OS 1.4 machine
and
FTPing them to a Unix server.  I have tried issuing a FTP with UCs2
subcommand
and I keep getting a 40500 return code.  This is the FTP commands I'm
issuing:

[ip address] 
[user id]
[password]
PWD
UCs2   
PUT 'DBXP.SDB2P.PARTTAB.UNLOAD'   test.part.unicode.txt
CLOSE  
QUIT   

Can anyone see what I might be doing wrong?  Is there another was to
convert
the data into Unicode?

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unable to Allocate Space on User Volume

2006-09-01 Thread Robert Pelletier
Once again I come to the group for help. I have no cut and paste so I will 
briefly describe what I did
1. Iinitiallzyed two new volumes with STGR on it.
2. I did a delete and define and always get create failed RC92 -iec614i
.
3. And i then get unable to allocate space but volume is empty.
I looked in quik Ref and SMS IND is on. Any help is appreciated.
Bob Pelletier
Connecticut Student loan
Rocky hill, Ct

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Re: APAR OA16111, BlueZone, and Vista (Was: 27x132?)

2006-09-01 Thread Dave Salt

From: Edward Jaffe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
BlueZone and Vista are the only emulators so far in which the primary 
(default) screen size may be configured by the end user and passed back to 
the host via RPQ.
Configuring this in BlueZone is easy. You might be a bit confused with 
Vista because it's not readily apparent where you're supposed to specify 
the primary size.


I'm using Vista 1.24, and it's extremely easy to set a user-defined primary 
screen size. Click 'File', 'Reconnect Ask', and under 'Terminal Model' check 
'User'. The Height and Width boxes then become unprotected so you can enter 
any values you want.


If only I could enter user values for a *secondary* screen size, now THAT 
would be really nice!


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Re: IBM announces Encrypting tape drives

2006-09-01 Thread Tom Marchant
On Fri, 1 Sep 2006 21:26:49 +1000, Shane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Fri, 2006-09-01 at 13:13 +0200, R.S. wrote:
  Get rid of old stinking
 tape DDnames with 50MB datasets. Use DASD instead

Nope. Not even close.
 ...
Not to mention the (mainframe) DASD cost.

How much do *you* think 50 MB of DASD costs?

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Re: unable to Allocate Space on User Volume

2006-09-01 Thread Richards.Bob
Bob,

Did you add them to the applicable Storage group and activate through
ISMF?

Bob Richards 



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Once again I come to the group for help. I have no cut and paste so I
will briefly describe what I did
1. Iinitiallzyed two new volumes with STGR on it.
2. I did a delete and define and always get create failed RC92 -iec614i
.
3. And i then get unable to allocate space but volume is empty.
I looked in quik Ref and SMS IND is on. Any help is appreciated. 
  
  
  
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Re: unable to Allocate Space on User Volume

2006-09-01 Thread John Kington
Robert,
Verify that the volume is in CONVERT status in ISMF or the vtoc (IEHLIST)
shows that
it is a SMS managed volume. QF just indicates that the volser is defined to
SMS.
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Re: Converting data into Unicode

2006-09-01 Thread Mike Bell

If the source of the data is DB2 and the DB2 is version 8 you can convert
the data to unicode in the unload.

It does require that you modify the SQL and replace every character column
as

CAST (STMT AS CHAR (16) CCSID UNICODE)

You have to set the length field correctly

If you want to convert your numeric fields to unicode characters, it would
be
CAST (CHAR(NUMBER ) AS CHAR (10) CCSID UNICODE)

modify the length field again

Mike



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Re: IBM announces Encrypting tape drives

2006-09-01 Thread Tom Schmidt
On Fri, 1 Sep 2006 21:26:49 +1000, Shane wrote:

On Fri, 2006-09-01 at 13:13 +0200, R.S. wrote:
...
 It is also possible to change the application. Get rid of old stinking
 tape DDnames with 50MB datasets. Use DASD instead. Exploit TMM, HSM,
 ML12. The need for virtual tapes will also decrease.

Nope. Not even close.
The MIP/MSU/M-thingy cost of HSM in a decent sized TMM environment is
bloody horrendous. Outrageous even.
Not to mention the (mainframe) DASD cost.
The ML1 occupancy is way too expensive. And it gets in the way of all
the other HSM housekeeping - *and* it's all charged at mainframe MIPs
rates. Just a non-optimal solution.

TMM for *SMALL* usage works. Once it grows, virtual tape wins hands
down.
 
 
The voice of reason downunder (Shane) points out that I got it wrong 
yesterday.  We don't need a zEEP (encryption processor) anywhere near as 
badly as we need a zOOP (Optimized Offload processor) to push DFHSM onto 
and buy back a WHOLE lot of general CP MIPS/MSUs/thingies.  Certainly at my 
present employer's shop we'd see more benefit if HSM had a new style CP to 
devour.  (Although we're embarking on an unbelievable amount of encryption 
very soon, which will eat up our encryption co-processors in a heartbeat.)  
 
I might even suggest that some more of what DFHSM does should be pushed 
into the disk and tape controllers themselves except (a) I want to see how 
reliable the tape drive encryption runs first and (b) IBM would apparently 
not retrofit that into the controllers in the field.  
 
I really would have liked the tape encryption announcement much better if 
IBM would have retrofitted it into existing (or even new model) 3490s.  I 
wonder how many lost tape incidents with banks have happened with 3590 
tapes vs. 3490 tapes?  
 
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Re: unable to Allocate Space on User Volume

2006-09-01 Thread Robert Pelletier
Defined the volumes to CSLFGRP2 but same messages. Even did a reactivate.

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Robert,
Verify that the volume is in CONVERT status in ISMF or the vtoc 
(IEHLIST)
shows that
it is a SMS managed volume. QF just indicates that the volser is 
defined to
SMS.
Regards,
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FW: IBM announces Encrypting tape drives

2006-09-01 Thread Veilleux, Jon L
 

From: Veilleux, Jon L 
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 12:30 PM
To: 'IBM Mainframe Discussion List'
Subject: FW: IBM announces Encrypting tape drives

I would like to see a pOOP (Performance monitoring Offload Optimizer)
for running RMF, OMEGAMON, etc. That would save a TON of CPU cycles. The
performance monitoring suite seems to take more cycles than all of the
applications they are monitoring. 


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The voice of reason downunder (Shane) points out that I got it wrong
yesterday.  We don't need a zEEP (encryption processor) anywhere near
as badly as we need a zOOP (Optimized Offload processor) to push DFHSM
onto and buy back a WHOLE lot of general CP MIPS/MSUs/thingies.
Certainly at my present employer's shop we'd see more benefit if HSM had
a new style CP to devour.  (Although we're embarking on an unbelievable
amount of encryption very soon, which will eat up our encryption
co-processors in a heartbeat.)  
 
I might even suggest that some more of what DFHSM does should be pushed
into the disk and tape controllers themselves except (a) I want to see
how reliable the tape drive encryption runs first and (b) IBM would
apparently not retrofit that into the controllers in the field.  
 
I really would have liked the tape encryption announcement much better
if IBM would have retrofitted it into existing (or even new model)
3490s.  I wonder how many lost tape incidents with banks have happened
with 3590 tapes vs. 3490 tapes?  
 
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Re: APAR OA16111, BlueZone, and Vista (Was: 27x132?)

2006-09-01 Thread Edward Jaffe

Dave Salt wrote:

From: Edward Jaffe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
BlueZone and Vista are the only emulators so far in which the primary 
(default) screen size may be configured by the end user and passed 
back to the host via RPQ.
Configuring this in BlueZone is easy. You might be a bit confused 
with Vista because it's not readily apparent where you're supposed 
to specify the primary size.


I'm using Vista 1.24, and it's extremely easy to set a user-defined 
primary screen size. Click 'File', 'Reconnect Ask', and under 
'Terminal Model' check 'User'. The Height and Width boxes then become 
unprotected so you can enter any values you want.


You've misunderstood the meanings of those entry fields in Vista. They 
set the _alternate_ screen size, not the primary screen size.




If only I could enter user values for a *secondary* screen size, now 
THAT would be really nice!


You want to have two 3270 screen sizes? Have you read any of my posts to 
the 27x132 thread??


As I said in the post you quoted, the way you set the primary size in 
Vista is to add 'AllowDefaultSizeChange=1' to your VISTA.INI file, 
restart Vista, go to Options - Options (Alt+Z) and on the Misc tab, 
specify the desired primary (default mode) screen size.


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Re: unable to Allocate Space on User Volume

2006-09-01 Thread Richards.Bob
Bob,

Go into ISMF Option 6, and list CSLFGRP2 you added the volumes to. When
the display appears, type LISTVOL next to CSLFGRP2 and scroll over to
columns 24-26 and tell me what they show for the two volumes you added.

Also have you given us *all* the error messages?


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Defined the volumes to CSLFGRP2 but same messages. Even did a
reactivate. 
  
  
  
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Re: IBM announces Encrypting tape drives

2006-09-01 Thread Jeffrey D. Smith
Greetings,

An interesting thread that seems to be based on offloading
CPU cycles from the main processor onto the device controller.
I remember similar discussions many years ago regarding data
compression when the CMPSC instruction was introduced.

Why didn't IBM put the compression into the DASD/TAPE/whatever
controller thing?

Controller-based compression/encryption may be reasonable in
some situations. I prefer CPU-based compression/encryption mostly
for the extreme flexibility in exploiting the feature.

I must admit that I am prejudiced towards CPU machine instructions.
I would much rather have compression and encryption available on
the CPU instead of outside the CPU. I would rather see faster I/O
devices without compression/encryption.

I have several (admittedly self-serving) reasons:

1. CPU-based compression and encryption means a market niche for
software products that can utilize those features, wrap a nice
user interface around it, and provide flexibility for future
enhancements. Ciphering the data in main storage gives me the
choice of when and where to cipher. Encrypted data in main storage
can be delivered to/from DASD or TAPE or TCP/IP or whatever. A
Tape only encryption solution greatly limits my choices.

2. I am not at all happy with exporting software development jobs
overseas. Delivering features like compression/encryption in hardware
outside of the CPU doesn't help the situation.

3. External compression/encryption may lock-in a customer to a
proprietary hardware scheme that may be difficult to reverse engineer
for migrating to another vendor's hardware.

4. CPU-based compression/encryption is an opportunity to decide
where to apply CPU cycles. Should I encrypt all of my data bases
or just mission-critical? How do I integrate a software security
product, like IBM RACF, with this hardware thing?

5. Off-loading CPU cycles to an external compression/encryption
thing can be attractive when the site is cycle-constrained, but
it's attacking a symptom instead of the cause. The CPACF encryption
instructions are extremely fast; they won't be the bottleneck in a
large application.

6. I would rather see eligible data encrypted on the mainframe,
instead of just at the tape I/O level. If sensitive data is only
encrypted on tape, then that means sensitive data is NOT encrypted
on the mainframe and is vulnerable to exposure. If the data is always
encrypted on the mainframe, then archiving to tape is a simple copy
job and it is less vulnerable to exposure.

7. An upside to external encryption is that it minimizes impact to
legacy applications. A CPU-based encryption solution requires some
kind of change to an application I/O to perform the ciphering. This
can be a direct change to the application or maybe through a front-end
of OPEN SVC and the GET/PUT/READ/WRITE routines. Changing a perfectly
good application is a serious matter to many shops. So, a behind-the-scenes
solution is preferable. However, sometimes external forces, like Sarbanes-
Oxley, may require shops to change their applications anyway to include
auditing and logging required by regulations or other policy decisions.
That is a good time to also add compression/encryption.

2 cents worth. Your mileage may vary.

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Re: 27x132?

2006-09-01 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 09/01/2006
   at 10:15 AM, Chris Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

I did receive conformation that the 2260 is closely related to the
2250 which appears to have come first, 2250: 1964, 2260: 1965. I
actually saw a 2250-like display being used as a system console at
the IBM Santa Teresa labs.

The high end S/360 processors used a 2250, except for the 360/85. I'm
not as familar with the 2250 as I am with the 2260, and I couldn't
find a reference to color in the Functional specifcations manuals, but
my recollection is that it was green.
 
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Re: 27x132?

2006-09-01 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 09/01/2006
   at 10:23 AM, Chris Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

... at least I think that's what you are claiming. This is
interesting since using such devices - if anyone still has them - or,
I would expect, later generations of 3270 displays which had a fancy
name I can't remember - was it something weird like InfoTerminal or
InfoSystem? - it would be possible to exercise Edward Jaffe's
enhancement using these devices.

No, because the sizes were fixed during the BIND process. You'd need
to enhance the data stream beyond what those devices supported. I
believe that they term you are looking for is InfoWindow and, yes,
they could be configured to support a BIND with primary other than
24x80.

You're also right that the Query Reply is not relevant when
considering how the 7F option may be used. Nevertheless, I believe
with some 3270 applications (probably not TSO given the hammering it
gets from savvy users) you had better allow Erase Write to cause
the presentation space to assume dimensions of 24 rows and 80
columns, mainly because older subapplications, perhaps
customer-written and lacking ongoing support, will assume the Model
2 dimensions.

I know of applications that will only run with 24x80, but ISPF and TSO
SM are quite happy with 43x80. Note, however, the reference to 14-bit
addressing; you can't run an application that uses 12-bit addressing
if the screen size exceeds 4KiB.

On the other hand I can't make sense of No, I was talking about the
dimensions on the 3275 and 3277, which didn't have EWA or Read
Partition Query.

You made a general statement about EWA on the 3270, and it was only
valid for the 3278 and later.

[1] My presentation notes say that the 3179, specifically the 3179G,
does not support the use of the unspecified screen size BIND.

The 3179 and the 3179G are very different beasts. My recollection is
that the 3179 was intended strictly as a 3278-2 equivalent and
supported only 24x80 for both primary and alternate. The 3179G was an
APA graphics terminal.

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Re: 27x132?

2006-09-01 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 09/01/2006
   at 03:03 PM, Chris Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

Incidentally, the 2260 was start-stop.

The 2845/2265 was start-stop; the 2848/2260 could be either channel
attached or remote, and I never saw one running remote.
 
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Re: 27x132?

2006-09-01 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 09/01/2006
   at 10:18 AM, Chris Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

Well, I had difficulty finding how best to describe the non-SNA
channel-attached mode of 3270 connection. It actually doesn't seem
correct always to be calling it non-SNA when it predates SNA.

The IBM documentation uses the term local non-SNA.

The latter two being in recognition that VTAM has also has (had) to
deal with integrated adapters.

AFAIK those were never supported in MVS.


Incidentally, talking of this particular pre-SNA 3270 CCW
programming, there is, by and large, a correspondence between the
CCW command codes and the 3270 data stream commands codes.

There's a CCW opcode for each data stream command, but not vice versa.

Regarding changing the dimensions on the fly from the
device/emulator, I reflected on this further as you may have noticed
following a comment from Gerhard Postpischil. I imagine it may
actually be possible to have a controlled environment given that
mechanisms exist for the application to be told that the dimensions
have changed and so the application can query the dimensions in
order to be in synchronization once again.
 
That would work only if the mechanism was disabled by default, so that
only applications capable of dealing with it would have to deal with
it.

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Re: IBM announces Encrypting tape drives

2006-09-01 Thread Pommier, Rex R.
Just brought in 3 TB of z-series disk and if I did my math correct, 50
MB cost me about $2.22 US.  OK, I know that doesn't count the cost of
backups and all the incidental costs associated with it, but that needs
to be compared against the cost of tape handling, making and keeping
track of duplicates for D/R scenarios, etc.  

Powered off an ancient RVA yesterday.  Anybody want it?

Rex 

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On Fri, 1 Sep 2006 21:26:49 +1000, Shane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Fri, 2006-09-01 at 13:13 +0200, R.S. wrote:
  Get rid of old stinking
 tape DDnames with 50MB datasets. Use DASD instead

Nope. Not even close.
 ...
Not to mention the (mainframe) DASD cost.

How much do *you* think 50 MB of DASD costs?

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Re: 27x132?

2006-09-01 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 09/01/2006
   at 10:16 AM, Chris Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

You have objected to something I wrote by taking it out of context.
The quoted text is taken from a review of the NextGen 3270 material
referenced by Edward Jaffe in the post to which I was responding.
This is all about having the dimensions configured using 3270
emulator (or simulator as you prefer) functions.

How is configuring the program to accept other than 24x80 not
configuring the program?

What you are telling us is very interesting but concerns the use of
the dimension fields in the BIND request.

Values that the simulator will reject if it is not configured to
accept them, just like a real 3270.

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Re: IBM announces Encrypting tape drives

2006-09-01 Thread McKown, John
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 Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 12:57 PM
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 Subject: Re: IBM announces Encrypting tape drives
 
 

snip

Very good points. I agree with them.

 
 7. An upside to external encryption is that it minimizes impact to
 legacy applications. A CPU-based encryption solution requires some
 kind of change to an application I/O to perform the ciphering. This
 can be a direct change to the application or maybe through a front-end
 of OPEN SVC and the GET/PUT/READ/WRITE routines. Changing a perfectly
snip

This case can be addressed as well. Writing a subsystem is not that
difficult anymore. Many vendors know how to do it. So the JCL might need
to be changed something like:

//SYSUT2 DD SUBSYS=(ENCR,'DD:SYSUT2A')
//SYSUT2A DD DSN=encrypted.dataset.name, 
// ... all the rest of the stuff

The program still opens SYSUT2. The ENCR subsystem gets control, creates
appropriate control blocks, opens SYSUT2A. For each record written to
SYSUT2, the ENCR's write subroutine gets control, encrypts the record
(or something), then eventually writes it to SYSUT2A. It might even be
possible for ENCR to buffer up a number of logical records, then
encrypt and write a block.

I would prefer this to front ending OPEN et al. I don't really like
front ending things any more. 

This should not require rewriting the program. In fact, we use a
product, SYSB, which does this. It redirects VSAM I/O to the specified
CICS region. It allows our batch jobs to do updates to VSAM files via
the owning CICS region, thus allowing updates in batch while it is open
to CICS.


 
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Free RVA? (was:RE: IBM announces Encrypting tape drives)

2006-09-01 Thread McKown, John
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 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pommier, Rex R.
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 Just brought in 3 TB of z-series disk and if I did my math correct, 50
 MB cost me about $2.22 US.  OK, I know that doesn't count the cost of
 backups and all the incidental costs associated with it, but 
 that needs
 to be compared against the cost of tape handling, making and keeping
 track of duplicates for D/R scenarios, etc.  
 
 Powered off an ancient RVA yesterday.  Anybody want it?
 
 Rex 

Rex,

I cannot afford it, but if we were to want to dispose of any of our
DASD, I'd likely try to salvage the drives. If SCSI, then you could use
them on a PC with the simple addition of a SCSI card. I am not aware of
how expensive a Fibre Channel HBA card is, so if the disks are FC or SSA
(is there an SSA card for a PC?), then this would likely not be cost
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Re: Converting data into Unicode

2006-09-01 Thread Dave Schaeffer
Hi Charles,

   Thank you for writing.  I issued the command, here are the results:

ENVIRONMENT: CREATED   04/22/2006 AT 23.04.55   
 MODIFIED  04/22/2006 AT 23.09.38   
 IMAGE CREATED 08/05/2003 AT 10.03.23   
SERVICE: CHARACTER  NORMALIZATION  CASE 
STORAGE: ACTIVE 9862 PAGES  
 LIMIT 25600 PAGES  
   CASECONV: NONE   
   NORMSERV: DISABLED   
 CONVERSION: 00037-01200-ER  01200-00037-ER 
 00037-01208-ER  01208-00037-ER 
 00037-00367-ER  00367-00037-ER 
 00256-01200-ER  01200-00256-ER 
 00256-01208-ER  01208-00256-ER 
 00256-00367-ER  00367-00256-ER 

The conversion table went on for quite a while

The datafile is created using SQL query, DSNTIAUL unload program, and I
have the
data in a display format, no decimal data.  I am able to use the DB2
UNLOAD utility 
but I was hoping that I didn't have to run the results of the query
(multiple tables)
back in to a DB2 table to unload it in unicode format.

Dave

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I'm not really an expert but seeing as how you haven't gotten any other
answers, and I have one or two z/OS Unicode scars, I'll take a stab at
this.

Your second question first - sure there are lots of other ways to
convert to Unicode. One obvious way - Enterprise COBOL has extensive
Unicode support now.

I don't *know* if FTP uses the z/OS Unicode translation facilities but I
am going to guess it does. Do you have the proper Unicode tables built
and installed? What does a D UNI,ALL console command show?

Your input dataset is named '...UNLOAD'. If it is an IEBCOPY or TSO
TRANSMIT unload dataset I don't think it will survive translation to
Unicode because it would include non-character data, and non-character
data suffers badly during any character set conversion. Perhaps I am
reading too much into the name and your source dataset is pure EBCDIC
character data.

Charles

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Subject: Converting data into Unicode


Hello,

   I've been tasked with creating Unicode files from a z/OS 1.4 machine
and FTPing them to a Unix server.  I have tried issuing a FTP with UCs2
subcommand and I keep getting a 40500 return code.  This is the FTP
commands I'm
issuing:

[ip address] 
[user id]
[password]
PWD
UCs2   
PUT 'DBXP.SDB2P.PARTTAB.UNLOAD'   test.part.unicode.txt
CLOSE  
QUIT   

Can anyone see what I might be doing wrong?  Is there another was to
convert the data into Unicode?

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Re: Converting data into Unicode

2006-09-01 Thread John S. Giltner, Jr.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hello,

   I've been tasked with creating Unicode files from a z/OS 1.4 machine
and
FTPing them to a Unix server.  I have tried issuing a FTP with UCs2
subcommand
and I keep getting a 40500 return code.  This is the FTP commands I'm
issuing:

[ip address] 
[user id]

[password]
PWD
UCs2   
PUT 'DBXP.SDB2P.PARTTAB.UNLOAD'   test.part.unicode.txt
CLOSE  
QUIT   


Can anyone see what I might be doing wrong?  Is there another was to
convert
the data into Unicode?  Thank you for any help!!

Dave Schaeffer



Not sure but I beleive that the Unix based ftp server may not support 
Unicode.  After you enter the UCs2 command what do you get?  Do you know 
for sure that the Unix ftp server supports Unicode on file transfers?



The code 40500 means that the ftp server is issuing the FTP return code 
500.  Generally a code 500 means that something is wrong with the 
command.  Are you getting the 500 after the UCs2 or after the PUT.


I just ftp'ed from z/OS to z/OS using the UCs2 option and it worked fine.

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Re: 27x132?

2006-09-01 Thread Patrick O'Keefe
On Fri, 1 Sep 2006 10:15:19 +0200, Chris Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

...
I did receive conformation that the 2260 is closely related to the 2250
which appears to have come first, 2250: 1964, 2260: 1965. I actually saw a
2250-like display being used as a system console at the IBM Santa Teresa
labs. I'm pretty sure the characters were orange - and were somewhat
distorted because - I believe I recall - they had to be rendered from 
short
straight lines.
...

Chris, are you sure about the 2260 / 2250 relationship?  I vaguely remember
the 2260 looking pretty much like a 3270-ish device.  I definitely
remember it had a fixed character generation capability.  The control unit
had core plains as part of the character generation mechanism where each 
pixel was a core. (You could see the character shapes by looking at the 
core plain uin the control unit.)

The 2250 was a vectored display device where characters were drawn.  It 
had a pretty interesting high-level geometry-based programming language
for drawing.  I think it's main intended purpose was for CAD/CAM stuff 
but there was a console emulator in it.  Part of that console support
had a last-gasp routine for processor checks in the CPU.  It would
display RUN SEREP in big block letters.

Pat O'Keefe 

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Re: Free RVA? (was:RE: IBM announces Encrypting tape drives)

2006-09-01 Thread Pommier, Rex R.
Unfortunately the physical drives in the box are only 4.5 GB.  Not
exactly state of the art...

Rex 

 
 
 Just brought in 3 TB of z-series disk and if I did my math correct, 50

 MB cost me about $2.22 US.  OK, I know that doesn't count the cost of 
 backups and all the incidental costs associated with it, but that 
 needs to be compared against the cost of tape handling, making and 
 keeping track of duplicates for D/R scenarios, etc.
 
 Powered off an ancient RVA yesterday.  Anybody want it?
 
 Rex

Rex,

I cannot afford it, but if we were to want to dispose of any of our
DASD, I'd likely try to salvage the drives. If SCSI, then you could use
them on a PC with the simple addition of a SCSI card. I am not aware of
how expensive a Fibre Channel HBA card is, so if the disks are FC or SSA
(is there an SSA card for a PC?), then this would likely not be cost
effective.

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Re: Converting data into Unicode

2006-09-01 Thread McKown, John
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snip

 
 Not sure but I beleive that the Unix based ftp server may not support 
 Unicode.  After you enter the UCs2 command what do you get?  
 Do you know 
 for sure that the Unix ftp server supports Unicode on file transfers?
 
 
 The code 40500 means that the ftp server is issuing the FTP 
 return code 
 500.  Generally a code 500 means that something is wrong with the 
 command.  Are you getting the 500 after the UCs2 or after the PUT.
 
 I just ftp'ed from z/OS to z/OS using the UCs2 option and it 
 worked fine.

I also ran the Windows/XP client ftp to z/OS 1.6 server ftp and did a

QUOTE TYPE U 2

and got Unicode UTF-16 on the PC. With that 0xFFFE marker (0xFEFF on
Windows).

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Re: PHYSICAL info missing in RMF type 70

2006-09-01 Thread Barry Merrill
If you are using BMC's CMF instead of IBM's RMF, you may be missing
this correction:


Change 23.288  BMC CMF Product SMF 70 records for z9 have SMF70BND=0,
VMAC7072   MXG variable LPARCPUX, in the LPARNAME='PHYSICAL' segment
Nov 10, 2005   which processor counts, especially for NRIFACPU, NRIFLCPU
Jun  6, 2006   and NRICFCPU will always be zero; investigation with BMC
   is in progress.
   Jun 8, 2006 update: The error was only in the first level
   of CMF support for the z9, and was corrected by CMF APAR
   BAM9572, PTF BPM9543.

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Re: 27x132?

2006-09-01 Thread Alan Altmark
On Friday, 09/01/2006 at 10:50 ZW3, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 09/01/2006
 at 10:18 AM, Chris Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
 
 Well, I had difficulty finding how best to describe the non-SNA
 channel-attached mode of 3270 connection. It actually doesn't seem
 correct always to be calling it non-SNA when it predates SNA.
 
 The IBM documentation uses the term local non-SNA.

If memory serves, BSC and SDLC terminal controllers existed long before 
you could assign a CUU to a 3270.  And in MVS those were handled by the 
SNA implementation of the day (VM had native BSC support).  Enter the 
non-SNA solution for 3270s.  And to differentiate it from remote 
controllers (R models), it is local (L models).

Alan Altmark
z/VM Development
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Re: Converting data into Unicode

2006-09-01 Thread Dave Schaeffer
After talking with our Unix admin. I'm thinking that my problem
isn't with the mainframe but with Unix (HP-UX 11.0) not being able
to support unicode.

Dave Schaeffer



-Original Message-
Not sure but I beleive that the Unix based ftp server may not support 
Unicode.  After you enter the UCs2 command what do you get?  Do you know

for sure that the Unix ftp server supports Unicode on file transfers?


The code 40500 means that the ftp server is issuing the FTP return code 
500.  Generally a code 500 means that something is wrong with the 
command.  Are you getting the 500 after the UCs2 or after the PUT.

I just ftp'ed from z/OS to z/OS using the UCs2 option and it worked
fine.

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measure cpu totals

2006-09-01 Thread Joel Ivey
We have a request to report on how many mips are consumed by a certain
application.   We should be able to count total cpu seconds for a particular
application, but is it even possible to convert that into mips?Or how
about MSUs?  How would we convert total cpu seconds into MSUs?   How do we
go about reporting the percentage of our current cpu capacity that is being
used by a certain application?

Thanks,
Joel Ivey
SC Employment Security Commission

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Re: APAR OA16111, BlueZone, and Vista (Was: 27x132?)

2006-09-01 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 09/01/2006
   at 08:37 AM, Edward Jaffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

What I was trying to say earlier was that you can get similar
functionality _right now_ using other emulators, including PCOMM,
without OA16111 by using one of the Pxxx logmodes shown (or your
own similar one).

Doesn't that APAR include support for 14-bit addressing, which is
needed for screens larger than 4 KiB?
 
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Re: PHYSICAL info missing in RMF type 70

2006-09-01 Thread Glenn Miller
Nick,

Maybe APAR: II13056.  From the APAR:

1.) SMF record type 70, CPU activity..
-  PR/SM Partition Data Section, SMF70BDN:
   Starting with z900 processors, SMF70BDN has a
   different meaning if the SMF70DGE flag is on -
   '08'x bit in SMF70INB.
   It contains the max defined logical processors as shown
   at the HMC console.
   There is a PR/SM Logical Processor Data Section for each
   defined logical processor. For active logical processors,
   the online time SMF70ONT is not zero.


Since you mentioned that the information was correct on your 9672, maybe
this applies.



Glenn Miller

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Re: IBM announces Encrypting tape drives

2006-09-01 Thread Tom Marchant
On Fri, 1 Sep 2006 11:56:32 -0600, Jeffrey D. Smith 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Greetings,

An interesting thread that seems to be based on offloading
CPU cycles from the main processor onto the device controller.
I remember similar discussions many years ago regarding data
compression when the CMPSC instruction was introduced.

Why didn't IBM put the compression into the DASD/TAPE/whatever
controller thing?

They did.  IIRC, an option on 3480, standard on 3490 and all since.
IBM never did it in DASD, but STK did it on Iceberg and IBM shipped them as 
RVA.

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Re: APAR OA16111, BlueZone, and Vista (Was: 27x132?)

2006-09-01 Thread Dave Salt

From: Edward Jaffe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
You've misunderstood the meanings of those entry fields in Vista. They set 
the _alternate_ screen size, not the primary screen size.
As I said in the post you quoted, the way you set the primary size in Vista 
is to add 'AllowDefaultSizeChange=1' to your VISTA.INI file, restart Vista, 
go to Options - Options (Alt+Z) and on the Misc tab, specify the desired 
primary (default mode) screen size.




Hi Ed,

My apologies for two things. First, I haven't been following the '27x132' 
thread very closely because until now I was under the mistaken belief that 
Vista would not allow me to enter user-specified values for both the primary 
and alternate screen sizes. In other words, I wasn't aware that 
'AllowDefaultSizeChange=1' could be added to the VISTA.INI file.


Second, you are correct that when a user-specified screen size is entered in 
Vista it actually relates to the alternate screen size and not the primary 
screen size. I had tried a user-specified size a while back, but because 
Vista would only display 24 lines as the primary screen size I quickly gave 
up on it and went back to using Mod-4. Meanwhile, I had forgotten that when 
a user-specified size is entered in Vista, the numbers being entered are 
actually specifying a secondary size and that the primary size defaults to 
24x80.


Now that I know an option can be added to the VISTA.INI file I'm suddenly 
very interested in the topic of this thread! So, I updated my INI file and 
as you said was delighted to discover that I can now enter user-specified 
values for both the primary and secondary screen sizes!


After logging on I confirmed that the Vista window does indeed toggle 
between the two screen sizes. The secondary size (which I specified as 
43x132) behaves exactly the way I want. However, the primary window (which 
is displayed as 43x80) only contains 24 lines. In other words, although 
Vista is displaying a window that is 43 lines deep, the bottom half of the 
window is empty.


I realize that this has almost certainly been covered in the many (many) 
posts I've seen going back and forth about 27x132, and that if I go and look 
through them all I'll probably find the solution on how to fix this problem. 
I'm guessing I either have to apply one or more APAR's (such as the one 
mentioned in this subject line), and/or logon with a particular logmode. And 
if it wasn't for the fact that I'm sending this email to you to apologise 
for my earlier incorrect statement regarding Vista, I'd be going through all 
the earlier posts right now. But as I'm sending you this email anyway, would 
you mind just telling me which APAR(s) I need to apply and/or which logmode 
I need to use so my primary screen size will be 'filled' with the full 43 
lines?   ;-)


Many thanks in advance,

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Re: APAR OA16111, BlueZone, and Vista (Was: 27x132?)

2006-09-01 Thread Richards.Bob
Dave,

Haven't you heard of Darren's rule of not mixing apologies with BEGGING?
And besides, that was more than two things. big grin

No responses necessary, please! Just trying to give those still working
a little levity in advance of this long weekend! And Darren will kill me
if this turns into a thread.

Bob  



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Hi Ed,

My apologies for two things. 

Snippage

And if it wasn't for the fact that I'm sending this email to you to
apologise for my earlier incorrect statement regarding Vista, I'd be
going through all the earlier posts right now. But as I'm sending you
this email anyway, would you mind just telling me which APAR(s) I need
to apply and/or which logmode I need to use so my primary screen size
will be 'filled' with the full 43 lines?   ;-) 
  
  
  
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Re: 27x132?

2006-09-01 Thread Patrick O'Keefe
On Fri, 1 Sep 2006 10:28:12 +0200, Chris Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

Pat

Knowing what the presentation space dimensions are determines where the
presentation logic starts a new row when the 3270 data stream gets to the
end (last column) of the current row and where to start again from the
beginning when the data stream gets to the end of the last row.
...
Actually I'm not 100% sure what you are saying here.
..

Chris, I was leaving reality far behind - imagining something that surely
was never implemented. I was thinking of the old brand-x printers that
supported bar-codes, etc.  They were supported as 3270 printers but had 
an escape sequence data stream that would put them a diferent mode.  In
that mode data still met 3270 datastream requirements but had nothing to
do with EBCDIC or ASCII characters.  It was some proprietary graphics
datastream.

In like fashon a 3270 emulator could look for some escape sequence that
would tell the emulator to change its presentation space size.  This 
support would, of course, be completely outside standard 3270 behavior. 
The application talking with the emulator would not be able to 
work with any other emulator or device emulator would, of course.

This might have been clearer if I had not let the word not out of mt
last paragraph.  (An if I'd left out an exta with.  It should have
read:  

 would take them out of the standard 3270 datastream, though, so they
 would NOT be able to communicate with LUs designed around the 3270
 datastream.  In general, flexable but pretty useless.
 
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Re: IBM announces Encrypting tape drives

2006-09-01 Thread John Eells

Jeffrey D. Smith wrote:


Greetings,

An interesting thread that seems to be based on offloading
CPU cycles from the main processor onto the device controller.
I remember similar discussions many years ago regarding data
compression when the CMPSC instruction was introduced.

Why didn't IBM put the compression into the DASD/TAPE/whatever
controller thing?


We did, as I'm sure you know, some time ago.  In my opinion the 
market reacted as it did, by buying lots and lots of drives with 
compression, because offloading that work is economical and 
offers better performance than not offloading it.



Controller-based compression/encryption may be reasonable in
some situations. I prefer CPU-based compression/encryption mostly
for the extreme flexibility in exploiting the feature.


We have both now; use whichever you'd like.  But there are some 
tradeoffs...



I must admit that I am prejudiced towards CPU machine instructions.
I would much rather have compression and encryption available on
the CPU instead of outside the CPU. I would rather see faster I/O
devices without compression/encryption.


How about faster I/O devices *with* compression/encryption? 
(Sorry, couldn't resist.)



I have several (admittedly self-serving) reasons:

1. CPU-based compression and encryption means a market niche for
software products that can utilize those features, wrap a nice
user interface around it, and provide flexibility for future
enhancements. Ciphering the data in main storage gives me the
choice of when and where to cipher. Encrypted data in main storage
can be delivered to/from DASD or TAPE or TCP/IP or whatever. A
Tape only encryption solution greatly limits my choices.


Well, we have both.  But consider that in-controller compression 
speeds up the effective tape I/O rates considerably (typically 2X 
or more).  I recall that it was once true that multiplying the 
tape transport speed by the recording density exceeded the 
channel data rate (3420-8s ran 800 ips at 6250 bpi when channel 
data rates were 1.5 MB/sec).  Those days are gone.  The 
electronics are now much, much faster than the native transport 
R/W speed.  Encrypting in storage and writing to tape basically 
disables compression, and cripples the effective I/O rate.


2. 


snip


3. External compression/encryption may lock-in a customer to a
proprietary hardware scheme that may be difficult to reverse engineer
for migrating to another vendor's hardware.


How does this differ from tape hardware in general?  New tape 
formats are *always* incompatible with prior hardware generations.



4. CPU-based compression/encryption is an opportunity to decide
where to apply CPU cycles. Should I encrypt all of my data bases
or just mission-critical? How do I integrate a software security
product, like IBM RACF, with this hardware thing?


You have that opportunity whether you use CPU-based encryption or 
controller-based encryption, so I'm not sure I understand why you 
see this as a differentiator.



5. Off-loading CPU cycles to an external compression/encryption
thing can be attractive when the site is cycle-constrained, but
it's attacking a symptom instead of the cause. The CPACF encryption
instructions are extremely fast; they won't be the bottleneck in a
large application.


Peformance aside, what does it do to your 4-hour rolling average 
MSUs when you have some CPs running 100% busy for a few hours at 
a stretch to write large tape files?


From a performance standpoint, you can sustain much higher data 
rates with encrypting drives than with a CPACF.  (167 MB/sec per 
CP at best for AES without compression, and 67 MB/sec per CP with 
compression vs. the worst-case 104 MB/sec native transport speed 
on the TS1120 with both compression and encryption.)  Think about 
running ten drives at a time vs. tying up 10 CPs at a time.  The 
CPACF numbers are similar [but not identical] for TDES.  See the 
Encryption Facility for z/OS Performance and Sizing paper from 
WSC at (watch for the wrap):


http://www-03.ibm.com/support/techdocs/atsmastr.nsf/5cb5ed706d254a8186256c71006d2e0a/12bac1d600d52b85862570dc0073b002/$FILE/EF%20Sizing_V2.pdf


6. I would rather see eligible data encrypted on the mainframe,
instead of just at the tape I/O level. If sensitive data is only
encrypted on tape, then that means sensitive data is NOT encrypted
on the mainframe and is vulnerable to exposure. If the data is always
encrypted on the mainframe, then archiving to tape is a simple copy
job and it is less vulnerable to exposure.


True.  But there are certain overheads, and you need to have the 
data in the clear to process it.



7. An upside to external encryption is that it minimizes impact to
legacy applications. A CPU-based encryption solution requires some
kind of change to an application I/O to perform the ciphering. This
can be a direct change to the application or maybe through a front-end
of OPEN SVC and the GET/PUT/READ/WRITE routines. Changing a perfectly
good 

Re: APAR OA16111, BlueZone, and Vista (Was: 27x132?)

2006-09-01 Thread Edward Jaffe

Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote:

In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 09/01/2006
   at 08:37 AM, Edward Jaffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

  

What I was trying to say earlier was that you can get similar
functionality _right now_ using other emulators, including PCOMM,
without OA16111 by using one of the Pxxx logmodes shown (or your
own similar one).



Doesn't that APAR include support for 14-bit addressing, which is
needed for screens larger than 4 KiB?
  


No. TSO/E has supported 14-bit (and 16-bit) addressing for eons. As 
always, you can review the OA16111 APAR text here:


http://www.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=isg1OA16111

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Re: IBM announces Encrypting tape drives

2006-09-01 Thread Bruce Black


Now with encrypted tape drives, how many DR vendors will have them before our
next disaster or should we bring our own spare drives with us?
  
If you depend on the DR vendor, you must be sure that they have the 
encryption drives not only at the primary DR site, but also at any 
secondary site that you might be diverted to if someone is already using 
the primary site.


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Re: APAR OA16111, BlueZone, and Vista (Was: 27x132?)

2006-09-01 Thread Edward Jaffe

Dave Salt wrote:
After logging on I confirmed that the Vista window does indeed toggle 
between the two screen sizes. The secondary size (which I specified as 
43x132) behaves exactly the way I want. However, the primary window 
(which is displayed as 43x80) only contains 24 lines. In other words, 
although Vista is displaying a window that is 43 lines deep, the 
bottom half of the window is empty.


I realize that this has almost certainly been covered in the many 
(many) posts I've seen going back and forth about 27x132, and that if 
I go and look through them all I'll probably find the solution on how 
to fix this problem. I'm guessing I either have to apply one or more 
APAR's (such as the one mentioned in this subject line), and/or logon 
with a particular logmode. And if it wasn't for the fact that I'm 
sending this email to you to apologise for my earlier incorrect 
statement regarding Vista, I'd be going through all the earlier posts 
right now. But as I'm sending you this email anyway, would you mind 
just telling me which APAR(s) I need to apply and/or which logmode I 
need to use so my primary screen size will be 'filled' with the full 
43 lines?   ;-)


Maybe a perusal of the NextGen 3270 portion of this SHARE presentation 
will help explain things:


http://shareew.prod.web.sba.com/client_files/callpapers/attach/SHARE_in_Baltimore/S2817EJ064923.pdf

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Re: IBM announces Encrypting tape drives

2006-09-01 Thread McKown, John
From all the talk, I take it that there is no way to decrypt the tape on
the host if a decrypting drive is not available? That sounds like a
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Re: APAR OA16111, BlueZone, and Vista (Was: 27x132?)

2006-09-01 Thread Dave Salt

From: Richards.Bob [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Haven't you heard of Darren's rule of not mixing apologies with BEGGING?
And besides, that was more than two things. big grin


I've never heard Darren say that, so I beg to differ. But if I'm wrong and 
he did say that, then I apologise.


   ;-)

Have a great weekend!

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Re: measure cpu totals

2006-09-01 Thread Tom Marchant
On Fri, 1 Sep 2006 14:03:40 -0500, Joel Ivey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

We have a request to report on how many mips are consumed by a certain
application.   We should be able to count total cpu seconds for a 
particular
application, but is it even possible to convert that into mips?Or how
about MSUs?  How would we convert total cpu seconds into MSUs?   How do we
go about reporting the percentage of our current cpu capacity that is being
used by a certain application?

Well, if you had a four CPU box that was rated at 1000 MIPS and your 
application totalled 7 CPU days per week, I'd call it a 250 MIPS 
application.  It used .25 of the total CPU seconds, therefore .25 of the 
MIPS.

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Re: 27x132?

2006-09-01 Thread Alan Altmark
On Friday, 09/01/2006 at 02:38 EST, Patrick O'Keefe 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 In like fashon a 3270 emulator could look for some escape sequence that
 would tell the emulator to change its presentation space size.  This
 support would, of course, be completely outside standard 3270 behavior.
 The application talking with the emulator would not be able to
 work with any other emulator or device emulator would, of course.

What you describe is already possible and architected as Create Parition. 
(What you call an escape sequence is called a Structured Field in the 
3270 lexicon.)  It just takes an application with knowledge of partitions. 
 :-)  They're as rare as hen's teeth.  With SNA, the BIND lets you set the 
initial size of parition 0 (the implicit partition).  Non-SNA has no 
bind and so no way to set the size to something other than 24x80.  A 
partition's primary and secondary size is fixed for its lifetime.

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Re: IBM announces Encrypting tape drives

2006-09-01 Thread Alan Altmark
On Friday, 09/01/2006 at 03:05 EST, McKown, John 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 From all the talk, I take it that there is no way to decrypt the tape on
 the host if a decrypting drive is not available? That sounds like a
 hole to me.

You are correct that you need a new drive to read tapes created on the new 
drive.  This isn't a particularly new concept, either.  We've been through 
that with the 3480/3490/3590.

And having a decrypting drive is necessary, but not sufficient.  The drive 
must be able to access a key manager who can get the keys.  The same ones 
used to encrypt the tape in the first place.

Alan Altmark
z/VM Development
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Re: IBM announces Encrypting tape drives

2006-09-01 Thread Bruce Black

From all the talk, I take it that there is no way to decrypt the tape on

the host if a decrypting drive is not available? That sounds like a
hole to me.

True.  I believe that the encypted data is written in such a way that a non-encryption tape drive cannot even read it.  So even if you knew the encryption data format and keys, you can't get the data to decrypt it.  

Even with encrypted drives at a DR site, the proper keys must be entered or imported into the key store of the DR system.  


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Re: IBM announces Encrypting tape drives

2006-09-01 Thread Ed Finnell
 
In a message dated 9/1/2006 3:30:01 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Even  with encrypted drives at a DR site, the proper keys must be entered or  
imported into the key store of the DR system



So you can't SAR an Encrypted tape?

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Re: Converting data into Unicode

2006-09-01 Thread Charles Mills
Ah! Can you initiate the FTP from HP-UX and get the z/OS server to do the
translation? Like the respondent who got it to work from Windows?

Charles

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After talking with our Unix admin. I'm thinking that my problem
isn't with the mainframe but with Unix (HP-UX 11.0) not being able
to support unicode.

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Re: measure cpu totals

2006-09-01 Thread Ted MacNEIL
Well, if you had a four CPU box that was rated at 1000 MIPS and your 
application totalled 7 CPU days per week, I'd call it a 250 MIPS application.  
It used .25 of the total CPU seconds, therefore .25 of the MIPS.

An average!

Tsk! Tsk.

What if those 7 days happened in two days?
Then the application used 7/8 of your thousand MIPS.
87.5% or 875 MIPS.

And, how do you know that the machine is 1000 MIPS?

(Don't be mislead by MIPS -- http://tinyurl.com/7rogu)


When in doubt.
PANIC!!

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Re: measure cpu totals

2006-09-01 Thread Tom Marchant
On Fri, 1 Sep 2006 21:07:04 +, Ted MacNEIL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Well, if you had a four CPU box that was rated at 1000 MIPS and your 
application totalled 7 CPU days per week, I'd call it a 250 MIPS 
application.  It used .25 of the total CPU seconds, therefore .25 of the 
MIPS.

An average!

Tsk! Tsk.

What if those 7 days happened in two days?
Then the application used 7/8 of your thousand MIPS.
87.5% or 875 MIPS.

Good point.

And, how do you know that the machine is 1000 MIPS?

Ahhh  now there's the question.  Fact is, you don't.  But I would 
expect that the OP would get that figure from the same manager who wants to 
know.  GIGO.

(Don't be mislead by MIPS -- http://tinyurl.com/7rogu)

Certainly, anyone asking such a question is already misled.  How tall is a 
tree?

Tom Marchant

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Re: Converting data into Unicode

2006-09-01 Thread John S. Giltner, Jr.
Does not matter.  If the ftp software (either the client or the server) 
on the HP-UX box does not support it, it won't work.


Both the client and server must support the data stream that is being 
transfered.  When you an ASCII file transfer this tells both the server 
and client that the data will be in virtual telnet ASCII.  When you do 
binary, this tells both sides that the data will be in a 'stream of bits'.


If you say UCs2 then both sides know that the data will be un Unicode 
format.  If the boths sides don't support this, it won't work.


Charles Mills wrote:

Ah! Can you initiate the FTP from HP-UX and get the z/OS server to do the
translation? Like the respondent who got it to work from Windows?

Charles

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After talking with our Unix admin. I'm thinking that my problem
isn't with the mainframe but with Unix (HP-UX 11.0) not being able
to support unicode.

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Re: 27x132?

2006-09-01 Thread Gerhard Postpischil

Alan Altmark wrote:
What you describe is already possible and architected as Create Parition. 
(What you call an escape sequence is called a Structured Field in the 
3270 lexicon.)  It just takes an application with knowledge of partitions. 
 :-)  They're as rare as hen's teeth.  With SNA, the BIND lets you set the 
initial size of parition 0 (the implicit partition).  Non-SNA has no 
bind and so no way to set the size to something other than 24x80.  A 
partition's primary and secondary size is fixed for its lifetime.


Perhaps I'm misinterpreting what you meant, but I have software that 
allows the user to change alternate size on the fly (user issues SET 
MODEL n (1-5) or SET mm*nn) providing the device supports at least one 
partition (I decided not to change primary size because I'm lazy, and 
didn't really see a need for it). It functions as expected on local 
non-SNA as well as SNA (theoretically it should also work on BTAM, but I 
never tried it).


Gerhard Postpischil
Bradford, VT

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Re: IBM announces Encrypting tape drives

2006-09-01 Thread Thompson, Steve (SCI TW)
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 Now with encrypted tape drives, how many DR vendors will have them
before our
 next disaster or should we bring our own spare drives with us?
   
If you depend on the DR vendor, you must be sure that they have the 
encryption drives not only at the primary DR site, but also at any 
secondary site that you might be diverted to if someone is already using

the primary site.
snip

This brings up a question or two of a security nature. 

Where do you keep the keys for decrypt of your tapes? Should they (the
keys) be sent off site with the DR tapes? Should they be kept separately
but also off-site with a third vendor?

If you have the keys on a diskette or CD, and they are with the tapes,
and the truck carrying them has a problem...

If the diskette or CD is damaged in some fashion, what backup for them
do you have (don't laugh, I've seen DR tests where the printed reports
for doing a restore got destroyed, and one of the two backup copies that
were sent to the site didn't make it).

Granted, there is only so much you can do, but how often do you generate
keys? And if you change keys, how do you get to the old data to get it
(assuming archival for whatever some taxing agency requires (double
entendre intended))?

Enquiring minds and all that.

Later,
Steve Thompson

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Re: Converting data into Unicode

2006-09-01 Thread Charles Mills
Can't you fool FTP? I'm sure I have done this trick (although not in the
OP's specific situation).

Tell both sides it's a binary transfer.

Then tell the server only (with QUOTE UCS2) to translate to the desired
character set.

Charles



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Does not matter.  If the ftp software (either the client or the server) 
on the HP-UX box does not support it, it won't work.

Both the client and server must support the data stream that is being 
transfered.  When you an ASCII file transfer this tells both the server 
and client that the data will be in virtual telnet ASCII.  When you do 
binary, this tells both sides that the data will be in a 'stream of bits'.

If you say UCs2 then both sides know that the data will be un Unicode 
format.  If the boths sides don't support this, it won't work.

Charles Mills wrote:
 Ah! Can you initiate the FTP from HP-UX and get the z/OS server to do the
 translation? Like the respondent who got it to work from Windows?

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Re: VSAM CLOSE failure problem

2006-09-01 Thread Mark

Binyamin Dissen wrote:

On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 09:15:53 -0500 Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

:Charles Mills wrote:
: I had two thoughts in the middle of the night last night - forgive me if
: these have been covered - I haven't read every reply you've gotten (I've
: read most).

: 1. Does the problem occur if you close the files WITHOUT the error that
: drives your recovery routine? If you just set a branch that pretends the
: error occurred?

: 2. What is the error that drives the recovery routine? You're not out of
: space for the file, are you? Is CLOSE trying to write a last block and
: hitting the same space problem?
   
:Lets see if I can cover everything...


:The ACB should be unique for that task.  I have not found any logic that 
:suggests we setup more than one ACB for the task for this file.  Short 
:answer - this should be the only way to access this file.


:Yes the TIOT offset is large. There are quite a few DD cards for the region.

:As for question 1 above...   I would have to say no it does not.  A 
:different program task can start and use the files, then close them 
:without errors.  Of course,  in those instances the recovery hasn't been 
:triggered.


:For question 2 above...  The error that drives recovery is a S0C4 abend 
:(its an addressing problem in a module that I need to fix eventually 
:too).   I have had other abends S33E, etc,. that have exhibited the same 
:problem as I am having.


I missed that this was in a recovery routine.

Might recovery be running in a different task?

Is this in a ESTAI routine?

See if the DEB is chained off of the TCBDEB of the task that is attempting the
close.

See if DEBTCBAD is pointing to the task attempting the close. 

:I have a PMR open with IBM.  I hope to have this cleared up soon.  It 
:would appear that some other IBM customers have noted a similar 
:problem.  It appears that I'm not alone in this.


  

The DEB does belong to the abending task.

This is a ESTAE that is setup after the task starts.

-Mark

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Re: Converting data into Unicode

2006-09-01 Thread Charles Mills
Specifically, take a look in the archives at a thread from July, 2004 called
FTP doings under the covers.

Charles

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Can't you fool FTP? I'm sure I have done this trick (although not in the
OP's specific situation).

Tell both sides it's a binary transfer.

Then tell the server only (with QUOTE UCS2) to translate to the desired
character set.

Charles



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Does not matter.  If the ftp software (either the client or the server) 
on the HP-UX box does not support it, it won't work.

Both the client and server must support the data stream that is being 
transfered.  When you an ASCII file transfer this tells both the server 
and client that the data will be in virtual telnet ASCII.  When you do 
binary, this tells both sides that the data will be in a 'stream of bits'.

If you say UCs2 then both sides know that the data will be un Unicode 
format.  If the boths sides don't support this, it won't work.

Charles Mills wrote:
 Ah! Can you initiate the FTP from HP-UX and get the z/OS server to do the
 translation? Like the respondent who got it to work from Windows?

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Re: 27x132?

2006-09-01 Thread Patrick O'Keefe
On Fri, 1 Sep 2006 16:21:48 -0400, Alan Altmark [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

...
What you describe is already possible and architected as Create Parition.
(What you call an escape sequence is called a Structured Field in the
3270 lexicon.)  It just takes an application with knowledge of partitions.
 :-)  They're as rare as hen's teeth.  ...

I was aware of Create Partition, but (because I never looked into it) I 
didn't know it could be done other that at the beginning of the session.

Rare?  Huh-uh.  Maybe not very many, but very wide-spread.  NetView does
it (or did it until fairly recently).  I'm not sure why since the single
partition uses the whole presentation space.  (I may have the terms 
wrong.  I haven't looked at that since about 1990.)

Pat O'Keefe

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Re: Converting data into Unicode

2006-09-01 Thread Paul Gilmartin
In a recent note, Charles Mills said:

 Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 18:39:06 -0400
 
 Specifically, take a look in the archives at a thread from July, 2004 called
 FTP doings under the covers.
 
Thank you.

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 Can't you fool FTP? I'm sure I have done this trick (although not in the
 OP's specific situation).
 
 Tell both sides it's a binary transfer.
 
 Then tell the server only (with QUOTE UCS2) to translate to the desired
 character set.
 
A couple limitations:

o This works best in the smart server/dumb client configuration.
  If you have a smart client, there's likely no way to tell it
  to use UCS2 without it's attempting to validate the protocol
  with the dumb server, getting a command rejected, and abandoning
  the attempt.

  Switching ends to make the dumb host the client and the smart
  host the server is often not an option because the dumb host
  is an anonymous FTP server, and the programmer has no authority
  to log on to it.

o To my knowledge, there's no way to make either asymmetric
  configuration work for load modules because either the z/OS
  server or client enters into a confirmation dialog with the
  dumb counterpart such that it's impossible to spoof the
  necessary responses from the command line.

  I'd be delighted to be shown wrong on the latter point (or
  either) if anyone knows how to choreograph the spoof.

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Re: unable to Allocate Space on User Volume

2006-09-01 Thread Ed Gould

Did you create a VVDS (and a VTOCIX) ?

Ed

On Sep 1, 2006, at 10:55 AM, Robert Pelletier wrote:

Once again I come to the group for help. I have no cut and paste so  
I will briefly describe what I did

1. Iinitiallzyed two new volumes with STGR on it.
2. I did a delete and define and always get create failed RC92 - 
iec614i

.
3. And i then get unable to allocate space but volume is empty.
I looked in quik Ref and SMS IND is on. Any help is appreciated.
Bob Pelletier
Connecticut Student loan
Rocky hill, Ct

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Re: unable to Allocate Space on User Volume

2006-09-01 Thread Ted MacNEIL
Did you create a VVDS (and a VTOCIX) ?

Ed, VVDS is automatic. Lousy defaults, but auto!


IX is pro forma.
When in doubt.
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Re: Converting data into Unicode

2006-09-01 Thread John S. Giltner, Jr.
Forgot about that.  It depends.  I tried with windows being the client 
and it did work, that is I got the file transfered down and it was in 
Unicode, big endian.  However write/wordpad had a problem reading the 
file with the file, it seem to know that it was Unicode, but I think it 
assumed little endian.  Surprisingly notepad (and notepad++) read it 
fine and correctly identified it as Unicode big endian.  So I guess it 
depends on what application is reading the file and how it may handle it 
unicode big endian.  I used:


bin
quote type U 2
quote site notrailingblanks

When I did the get before issuing the notrailingblanks I got an error 
telling me that I had to issue this command.


Charles Mills wrote:

Specifically, take a look in the archives at a thread from July, 2004 called
FTP doings under the covers.

Charles

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Can't you fool FTP? I'm sure I have done this trick (although not in the
OP's specific situation).

Tell both sides it's a binary transfer.

Then tell the server only (with QUOTE UCS2) to translate to the desired
character set.

Charles



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Does not matter.  If the ftp software (either the client or the server) 
on the HP-UX box does not support it, it won't work.


Both the client and server must support the data stream that is being 
transfered.  When you an ASCII file transfer this tells both the server 
and client that the data will be in virtual telnet ASCII.  When you do 
binary, this tells both sides that the data will be in a 'stream of bits'.


If you say UCs2 then both sides know that the data will be un Unicode 
format.  If the boths sides don't support this, it won't work.


Charles Mills wrote:


Ah! Can you initiate the FTP from HP-UX and get the z/OS server to do the
translation? Like the respondent who got it to work from Windows?




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Offload wishlist (was: encryp ...)

2006-09-01 Thread Shane
On Fri, 2006-09-01 at 12:37 -0400, Veilleux, Jon L wrote:

 I would like to see a pOOP (Performance monitoring Offload Optimizer)
 for running RMF, OMEGAMON, etc. That would save a TON of CPU cycles. The
 performance monitoring suite seems to take more cycles than all of the
 applications they are monitoring. 

Is this really still an issue Jon ???.
Monitoring options of course can affect this markedly - especially
things like traces being left on.
Since RMF offered services that do a lot of the grunt work seems the
vendors re-wrote a lot of their stuff to use that, and cut down the SUs
their address spaces were charged.
Don't know about Omegamon, as I haven't looked at their numbers, but
certainly TMON dropped quite a bit. I believe the same applies to the
R11 (and later presumably) CA offerings.

Certainly it used to be the case that the monitors were subject to being
terminated on small LPARs if their consumption got too high.
Seems less of an issue for me these days - subject to the Omegamon
caveat above.

Where I get queries is on LPARs where there is predominantly enclave
workloads - SAP R3 say. People watching SDSF see a distorted view of the
world, and it looks like the monitors are out of whack re CPU
consumption.

Shane ...

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Re: migrating mainframe z/VM Rexx to linux ooRexx

2006-09-01 Thread Arthur T.
On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 07:57:22 GMT, in comp.lang.rexx 
(Message-ID:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) Bob 
Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


OK, but you replied to my experience of porting Rexx from 
CMS to OS/2.

So, is there an EXECIO for Linux ?  ;-)


 (I accidentally replied directly to the Usenet 
newsgroup.  This repost is for all of you who read via 
e-mail.  Sorry for the duplication for the others.)


 If you're not limited to ooREXX, Regina runs on 
Linux.  There

is an add-on package (also ported to Linux, I think) called
Regutil.  Regutil has a functions similar to EXECIO called
RegStemRead and RegStemWrite.

7.9 RegStemRead

RegStemRead(filename, stem)

RegStemRead reads the contents of file filename into stem stem
using the numeric index convention (number of lines in the 0
element, data in numbered elements starting at 1). When possible,
it uses memory-mapped I/O to read the values, which should be the
most efficient method possible. As a result, RegStemRead is
expected to be measurably faster than, eg, using linein, as well
as being more convenient.

 Regina Home Page at: http://regina-rexx.sourceforge.net

 Google for Regutil.  It is written by Patrick TJ 
McPhee, and

that should help your Googling.


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Re: IBM announces Encrypting tape drives

2006-09-01 Thread Arthur T.
On 31 Aug 2006 08:28:04 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main 
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alan Altmark) wrote:


They drives encrypt/decrypt data *in the drive itself tape 
speed*.  The performance penalty of host-based encryption 
is no longer necessary.  ICSF on z/OS can even act as the 
encrypted key store for the drive!


Learn more at 
http://www.ibm.com/servers/storage/enewscast/data_encryption/


 The one thing I wanted to learn wasn't there (or at 
the learn more site pointe from the site.  Did the 
designers do the right thing and compress *before* 
encryption?  That increases tape capacity; just as 
important important, it makes cryptanalysis more difficult



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