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Wow, tyvm, Alan, great to hear from you again.

Have not spoken to you since last year.

Then you were at ib...@vm.marist.edu.

But it looks like ibmvm has been taken over by uark.edu since then.

tyvm for the great zBx info.

It is very helpful

Nice to see Chuckie is still alive and well.




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On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Alan Altmark alan_altm...@us.ibm.comwrote:

 On Fri, 4 May 2012 22:19:07 -0700, Edward Jaffe 
 edja...@phoenixsoftware.com wrote:

 On 5/4/2012 6:11 PM, George Henke wrote:
  When you say You can couple up to eight nodes, do you mean 8 CECs to a
  zBx, that 8 CECs can share a zBx?
 
 Each node has its own zBX.

 Each zBX consists of 1 to 4 frames, each with one or two BladeCenter
 chassis, and a set of ethernet switches.   The zBX is owned by a single
 z196 or z114 CPC.  Up to 8 CPCs, each with its attached zBX can join
 together into an ensemble.  The virtual servers (guests or LPARs) on any of
 the CPCs can connect to the virtual servers on any blade, subject only to
 IEDN configuration.

 There is also a zero zBX ensemble configuration that has a single z196
 or z114 CPC, with no zBX attachment.

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Re: It's feeding time in Jurassic Park . . .

Timothy,

The links you sent are great, especially the Redbook for Solaris to Linux
migration.

I will read it word4word.

You recommended doing the easy things first which is probably the Windows
x86 moves.

But after that is it best to migrate by:

 Application
 Server: Application, Data
 Language: JAVA, .NET, C/C++

Also, we have CITRIX.

Can that be moved the the zBx?

I was thinking of using the 80/20 rule.

Probably 80% of the processing is done by 20% of the mid-range (MR) servers
be it by: application, server type (application, data), or language (JAVA,
.NET, C/C++).

IOW:

20% of the applications do 80% of the processing.
20% of the servers do 80% of the processing.
20% of the languages do 80% of the processing.

So which would be the best approach?


   ByPros  Cons

   Application Subsystem isolation C/C++ dependencies
   ServerBusiest workload  Fragment the appl cross
platform
   Language   Target zVM or zBxFragment the appl cross
platform

I would think critical systems like AD should probably be handled last.



On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 10:30 PM, Timothy Sipples timothy.sipp...@us.ibm.com
 wrote:

 Migration isn't really the word I'd use for moving Microsoft
 Windows-based applications to the zBX. (Moving is a better word.) It's
 fundamentally the same process as replacing an X86 server with another,
 because that's what it is. Note that the new X86 environment on zBX is
 virtualized, and it's also based on today's X86 cores rather than
 yesterday's (or before yesterday's), so it's extremely likely you'll be
 reducing core counts in making that move. You'll want to plan accordingly.
 It's also a managed environment, so that could be new (in a good way).

 As for Solaris to Linux on z, that too is a very well traveled path. Some
 sample documentation:

 http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redbooks/pdfs/sg247186.pdf
 http://www.ibm.com/systems/migratetoibm/oracle/solaristolinuxtoolkit.html

 If you're moving some standard piece(s) of middleware -- WebSphere
 Application Server, Oracle Database, etc. -- then it's unlikely to be a
 challenging exercise for the workload itself. You'll mainly be focused on
 the operational aspects, which are a bit different but only a bit. The
 toolkit (above) gets more relevant if you're moving custom C/C++
 applications -- and those would need to be recompiled. Note that a phased
 approach is generally possible and a good idea. Or, in other words, do the
 easy things first since that'll demonstrate you've got the environment set
 up correctly and the operational aspects ironed out.

 Note that OpenSolaris for System z is still available as is:

 http://distribution.sinenomine.net/opensolaris

 If you've got something particularly tricky to migrate then that could be
 part of your strategy as a stopgap.

 Yes, you can upgrade either a z114 or a z196 to include a zBX (one to four
 frames).

 I'm not sure I understand the SYSPLEXed question. Could you rephrase
 that?

 If you're asking what happens to the zBX in the extremely rare event its
 parent z114 (or z196) is offline (when does that ever happen?), the answer
 is not much. It continues to run.

 As for the other major scenario, what most people do with zBX-based
 applications -- Microsoft Windows, in your case -- is they still use
 software-based clustering as/if available across two or more different
 physical blades in different chassis. That sort of availability engineering
 doesn't fundamentally change, although you do pick up some management and
 server/network pre-fabrication benefits that can contribute to better
 availability. But if you're running a single instance of an application and
 it falls over, there will be a service interruption as it is restarted --
 no great surprise.


 
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Re: It's feeding time in Jurassic Park . . .

Alan,

You mentioned ethernet switches.

Does that mean I can eliminate my external switches?

Is there any effort to include firewalls also in the future?

Right now we have a maze of firewalls and switches and it would really be
nice if we could port them all up to the zBx along with the servers.

Also can you point me to a doc source the provides the info you gave about
the IEDN and the sharing of zBxes across CPCs?

ty

On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 4:49 PM, George Henke gahe...@gmail.com wrote:

 Wow, tyvm, Alan, great to hear from you again.

 Have not spoken to you since last year.

 Then you were at ib...@vm.marist.edu.

 But it looks like ibmvm has been taken over by uark.edu since then.

 tyvm for the great zBx info.

 It is very helpful

 Nice to see Chuckie is still alive and well.




 It has been a while since I had the privilege have , but it's great to see
 you over here from the IBMVM Marist LIstserv with your usual amazing
 technical prowess.


 On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Alan Altmark alan_altm...@us.ibm.comwrote:

 On Fri, 4 May 2012 22:19:07 -0700, Edward Jaffe 
 edja...@phoenixsoftware.com wrote:

 On 5/4/2012 6:11 PM, George Henke wrote:
  When you say You can couple up to eight nodes, do you mean 8 CECs to
 a
  zBx, that 8 CECs can share a zBx?
 
 Each node has its own zBX.

 Each zBX consists of 1 to 4 frames, each with one or two BladeCenter
 chassis, and a set of ethernet switches.   The zBX is owned by a single
 z196 or z114 CPC.  Up to 8 CPCs, each with its attached zBX can join
 together into an ensemble.  The virtual servers (guests or LPARs) on any of
 the CPCs can connect to the virtual servers on any blade, subject only to
 IEDN configuration.

 There is also a zero zBX ensemble configuration that has a single z196
 or z114 CPC, with no zBX attachment.

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Re: It's feeding time in Jurassic Park . . .

John,

Thank you for the tip about MONO.

It appears that with MONO, .NET applications can be run under zLinux, zVM.

This would be preferable to x86 zBx, because the CHPID, not the IFL, does
the I/O, more bang for the buck.

Why would I NOT port all .NET to zLinux instead of x86 zBx?

If so, what does that leave to run on zBx x86, other than some C/C++ code?



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  Subject: It's feeding time in Jurassic Park . . .
 
  and the dinosaurs are very hungry.
 
  I need to migrate 50 Solaris servers to zLinux under z/VM on
  a z114 and
  about the same number of Windows servers to zBx.

 Congrats!

 
  Does anyone have experience with this, some ideas?

 Experience, no. Ideas, sure! Why not? grin

 
  Need a migration path.
 
  Some questions:
 
  Can z114 be upgraded to include zBx or must I upgrade to a
  z196 for that?

 I am not sure.

  Can zBx be SYSPLEXed between 2 CECs?

 No. a zBx can be attached to at most 1 CEC.

  If not, how do I eliminate the SPF, how do I do failover for the blade
  servers?

 SPF? Single point of failure? You need to have multiple z114s with and
 associated zBX.
 I think you'd do failover just like you would with any other racked
 mounted servers.
 If the rack fails, all the servers fail. So you need the same techniques
 with a zBX rack.
 I'm not a PC person, but I think this involves TCP connections between a
 server and it's failover
 twin.

  How do I convert Solaris to zLInux under z/VM?  Solaris is
  not supported by
  zBx.
  Must I recompile the applications running under Solaris to
  run them under
  zLinux?

 Yes, you must recompile. z/Linux runs on the z/Architecture instruction
 set. Solaris runs on
 Intel or SPARC(?). You can't run Intel or SPARC instructions on a z.
 However there are two exceptions
 that I can think of which __may__ not need recompilation. The first is
 Java code. The .jar and .class
 files should run on any compatible JVM, regardless of the underlying
 hardware architecture. Another
 possibility is .NET applications. They __might__ run on a z/Linux using
 Mono. Again, because they
 don't run native, but on an instruction emulator. Shell scripts may need
 some changing. Perl, Python, Ruby
 and other intepreted language may need some changing, depending on the
 levels of the intepreter
 on z/Linux versus the one on Solaris.

 
 
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Re: It's feeding time in Jurassic Park . . .

2012-05-08 Thread Mohammad Khan

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Re: It's feeding time in Jurassic Park . . .

2012-05-08 Thread David Crayford


On 5/05/2012 2:55 AM, George Henke wrote:

tyvm, John, Mark, Edward.

Mark,

Do I need an Enterprise Class z114 box or will a Business Class one suffice?

John,

A compelling reason for server consolidation on zBx as IBM pointed out in
their z Summit is that zMIPS GCPs are totally dedicated to regular workload
processing, no I/O - that is done by the channels, CHPIDs.

Whereas all other servers use the GCPs for both normal processing and I/O.
So all MIPS are not equal.


What IBM didn't mention in the Z Summit was that offloading I/O to 
peripheral hardware hasn't been
exclusive to mainframes for a very long time.  Let's take the platform 
you want to replace (SPARC)  as an example.


http://developers.sun.com/solaris/developer/support/driver/wps/pci/html/Sun_SPARC.doc.html

The terminology may be different but it sure looks like all the I/O, 
including interrupts,  is offloaded to peripheral processors.
Even the much maligned (on this forum) Intel x86 has DMA and the new E5 
range even has integrated 10GBe and PCIe-3 on the board.
Mainframe didn't get PCIe-2 until last year, which it re-branded FICON 
Express8S.


Years ago when my wife was working for HDS and I had a lively discussion 
at a Christmas lunch with some of her colleagues about the the mainframes
superior I/O. They scoffed at me like I had been living in a cave for 
the last decade. I was respectfully informed that the high-end UNIX boxes
easily kept pace with the mainframes wrt I/O performance. Most 
embarrassing was the fact that mainframes were still huffing and puffing
away on half-duplex ESCON when the competition was racing away on super 
fast fibre channel. That was a very humbling experience for me.



Since most commerical workloads are I/O, not CPU, bound this amounts to
substantial CPU savings.

Also, it is the IBM operating system architecture, FLIH, that enables this
to happen and there is no other server in the world that is configured
thus.


Maybe I'm missing the point but what does a z/OS FLIH have to do with 
porting workloads to zLinux?



On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 2:39 PM, McKown, John
john.mck...@healthmarkets.comwrote:


-Original Message-
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Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 1:02 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: It's feeding time in Jurassic Park . . .

and the dinosaurs are very hungry.

I need to migrate 50 Solaris servers to zLinux under z/VM on
a z114 and
about the same number of Windows servers to zBx.

Congrats!


Does anyone have experience with this, some ideas?

Experience, no. Ideas, sure! Why not?grin


Need a migration path.

Some questions:

Can z114 be upgraded to include zBx or must I upgrade to a
z196 for that?

I am not sure.


Can zBx be SYSPLEXed between 2 CECs?

No. a zBx can be attached to at most 1 CEC.


If not, how do I eliminate the SPF, how do I do failover for the blade
servers?

SPF? Single point of failure? You need to have multiple z114s with and
associated zBX.
I think you'd do failover just like you would with any other racked
mounted servers.
If the rack fails, all the servers fail. So you need the same techniques
with a zBX rack.
I'm not a PC person, but I think this involves TCP connections between a
server and it's failover
twin.


How do I convert Solaris to zLInux under z/VM?  Solaris is
not supported by
zBx.
Must I recompile the applications running under Solaris to
run them under
zLinux?

Yes, you must recompile. z/Linux runs on the z/Architecture instruction
set. Solaris runs on
Intel or SPARC(?). You can't run Intel or SPARC instructions on a z.
However there are two exceptions
that I can think of which __may__ not need recompilation. The first is
Java code. The .jar and .class
files should run on any compatible JVM, regardless of the underlying
hardware architecture. Another
possibility is .NET applications. They __might__ run on a z/Linux using
Mono. Again, because they
don't run native, but on an instruction emulator. Shell scripts may need
some changing. Perl, Python, Ruby
and other intepreted language may need some changing, depending on the
levels of the intepreter
on z/Linux versus the one on Solaris.



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Re: It's feeding time in Jurassic Park . . .

2012-05-08 Thread Timothy Sipples

George Henke writes:
Also, we have CITRIX.
Can that be moved the the zBx?

Sure. It's the same IBM HX5 blade running the same Microsoft Windows
operating system.


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Re: It's feeding time in Jurassic Park . . .

2012-05-08 Thread R.S.

Microsoft Windows sounds very generic.
zBX can run only ONE version of Windows: 64-bit edition of 2008
Enterprise (or so). g
If your application require 32-bit edition, or other version - then you
...can still use blade, for example IBM HX5 outside of zBX.
You'd loose legendary Enssemble capabilities, you won't be able to
manage it from HMC (what management? Why would you need it???) and the
most secure piece of 10G Ethernet (you can set up your own in a similar
manner).

--
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P.S. I'm not zBX enemy. I'm not biased - I don't sell neither Dell
blades, nor zBX. I only say the king is naked (hope you know The
Emperor's New Clothes by Andersen).

W dniu 2012-05-09 06:54, Timothy Sipples pisze:

George Henke writes:

Also, we have CITRIX.
Can that be moved the the zBx?

Sure. It's the same IBM HX5 blade running the same Microsoft Windows
operating system.

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Re: It's feeding time in Jurassic Park . . .

2012-05-07 Thread Tom Ambros

It depends on your definition of 'share'. 

The HMC is the seat of zManager, which has domain over all the nodes in 
the ensemble.  There are the two network types - INMN, the intra-node 
management network and the IEDN intra-ensemble data network.  The IEDN has 
the whole ensemble as its scope so here's where the idea of 'sharing' the 
zBX comes in, to my thinking.   The zBX may sit in another node from a 
given CEC but the units of work are classified through the whole ensemble. 
 

As I say, all I know about it is from an Expo session or two, some reading 
and the Wildfire session.   No real hands-on. 

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From:   George Henke gahe...@gmail.com
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Date:   05/04/2012 21:11
Subject:Re: It's feeding time in Jurassic Park . . .
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Thomas,

This is very helpful.

When you say You can couple up to eight nodes, do you mean 8 CECs to a
zBx, that 8 CECs can share a zBx?

If so, does zManager serialize the I/O?

On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 4:18 PM, Tom Ambros 
thomas_amb...@keybank.comwrote:

 To be pedantic

 You have a zEnterprise node, which is a z196/z114 with zero or one
 attached zBX.   A zBX may have one to four frames.  You can couple up to
 eight nodes.  This comprises the domain of a single zManager.

 I suppose you could get clever and set up some sort of recovery and
 failover system for your blades within the scope of this zManager, but
 with little to no hands on experience with one of these things I am not
 totally sure how.  I am very confident that it can be done, however, I 
do
 believe that there are APIs at the customer's disposal.

 Thomas Ambros
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 I think the way it works is that you have a 'zEnterprise CEC' which is
 composed of a z114/z196 and optionally a zBX .

 The zBX is not standalone


 
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 I do not suppose there is any way of sharing a zBx between 2 CECs.

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   On 5/4/2012 at 02:55 PM, George Henke gahe...@gmail.com wrote:
   Do I need an Enterprise Class z114 box or will a Business Class one
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  There are no such things.  IBM marketing confusing things again.  A
  z114 could be considered the equivalent of a BC model and the z196 and
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Re: It's feeding time in Jurassic Park . . .

2012-05-07 Thread Tom Marchant

On Fri, 4 May 2012 14:12:48 -0500, Kerneels de Wet wrote:

No disrespect but this looks a little like

I disagree.  This post and your later one are quite disrespectful. 
This is a technical forum with which you may be unfamiliar. 
AFAICT, you have posted exactly twice to IBM-MAIN, both of
them in this thread with no apparent purpose than to attack 
George.

George is a familiar name here.  While I do not recall any of 
the previous threads with which he was involved or the level 
of his involvement, he has started an interesting and 
worthwhile discussion.  You, on the other hand have 
contributed nothing.  Rather, you have detracted from this 
forum.

b) You use a nameless email account

PKB.  You use a nameless email account with no identifying 
information.  Of course, to do so is your right, but why do 
you make an issue of it?  ABSOFTWARECONSULTANTS.COM 
is an empty web site, apparently registered with ICANN 
anonymously four years ago.

c) The SHARE grease monkeys immediately respond

More insults.  Apparently you don't have a clue what SHARE 
is.  I would suggest that you refrain from posting until you 
learn some basic netiquette.

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Re: It's feeding time in Jurassic Park . . .

2012-05-07 Thread Jousma, David

Anton Britt software consultants perhaps?

-Original Message-
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Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 9:20 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: It's feeding time in Jurassic Park . . .

On Fri, 4 May 2012 14:12:48 -0500, Kerneels de Wet wrote:

No disrespect but this looks a little like

I disagree.  This post and your later one are quite disrespectful. 
This is a technical forum with which you may be unfamiliar. 
AFAICT, you have posted exactly twice to IBM-MAIN, both of them in this thread 
with no apparent purpose than to attack George.

George is a familiar name here.  While I do not recall any of the previous 
threads with which he was involved or the level of his involvement, he has 
started an interesting and worthwhile discussion.  You, on the other hand have 
contributed nothing.  Rather, you have detracted from this forum.

b) You use a nameless email account

PKB.  You use a nameless email account with no identifying information.  Of 
course, to do so is your right, but why do you make an issue of it?  
ABSOFTWARECONSULTANTS.COM is an empty web site, apparently registered with 
ICANN anonymously four years ago.

c) The SHARE grease monkeys immediately respond

More insults.  Apparently you don't have a clue what SHARE is.  I would suggest 
that you refrain from posting until you learn some basic netiquette.

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Re: It's feeding time in Jurassic Park . . .

2012-05-07 Thread R.S.

Several dozens aswered, so it's my turn ;-)

1. Yes.

2. No.
From application point of view think about zBX as regular blade cabinet
connected to the mainframe. You simply connect to mainframe a bunch of
Intel-based (and other) servers using Ethernet/IP.
My not so humbly opinion: zBX is regular bunch of blades plus management
network (for what?) + some management (for what?) plus a lot of sales
pitch and black magic.
Conclusion: sysplex capabilities of zBX are almost the same as regular
PC connected to the mainframe. Means: it depend on the application.

3. Solaris is kind of Unix. Linux is also kind of Unix, but with no
certification. You have to port your applications. Usually vendors do
offer their applications of various platforms, so maybe it's a matter of
quite simple reinstallation + backup/restore.
You could have similar problems to solve when moving from HP-UX to
Solaris, or from AIX to zLinux.

4. Yes, you have to recompile binary machine code. Java is another issue.

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W dniu 2012-05-04 20:01, George Henke pisze:

and the dinosaurs are very hungry.

I need to migrate 50 Solaris servers to zLinux under z/VM on a z114 and
about the same number of Windows servers to zBx.

Does anyone have experience with this, some ideas?

Need a migration path.

Some questions:

Can z114 be upgraded to include zBx or must I upgrade to a z196 for that?
Can zBx be SYSPLEXed between 2 CECs?
If not, how do I eliminate the SPF, how do I do failover for the blade
servers?
How do I convert Solaris to zLInux under z/VM? Solaris is not supported by
zBx.
Must I recompile the applications running under Solaris to run them under
zLinux?

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Kerneels ( was RE: It's feeding time in Jurassic Park . . .)

2012-05-07 Thread Pommier, Rex R.

David,

I think you hit the nail squarely on the head here.  Kerneels De Wet sure looks 
like, sounds like, smells like, and walks like the duck that used to go by the 
name Anton Britz.  And they both hated Fox channel with a passion, and both 
bring their hatred into completely unrelated topics (like IBM-main discussions 
on zBX).

Looks like another outlook rule to send e-mails directly to the trash...

Rex


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Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 8:30 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: It's feeding time in Jurassic Park . . .

Anton Britt software consultants perhaps?


-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of 
Tom Marchant
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 9:20 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: It's feeding time in Jurassic Park . . .

On Fri, 4 May 2012 14:12:48 -0500, Kerneels de Wet wrote:

No disrespect but this looks a little like

I disagree.  This post and your later one are quite disrespectful.
This is a technical forum with which you may be unfamiliar.
AFAICT, you have posted exactly twice to IBM-MAIN, both of them in this thread 
with no apparent purpose than to attack George.

George is a familiar name here.  While I do not recall any of the previous 
threads with which he was involved or the level of his involvement, he has 
started an interesting and worthwhile discussion.  You, on the other hand have 
contributed nothing.  Rather, you have detracted from this forum.

b) You use a nameless email account

PKB.  You use a nameless email account with no identifying information.  Of 
course, to do so is your right, but why do you make an issue of it?  
ABSOFTWARECONSULTANTS.COM is an empty web site, apparently registered with 
ICANN anonymously four years ago.

c) The SHARE grease monkeys immediately respond

More insults.  Apparently you don't have a clue what SHARE is.  I would suggest 
that you refrain from posting until you learn some basic netiquette.

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Re: Kerneels ( was RE: It's feeding time in Jurassic Park . . .)

2012-05-07 Thread Mark Pace

That rule has already been created.  ;)

On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 10:50 AM, Pommier, Rex R.
rex.pomm...@cnasurety.comwrote:

 David,

 I think you hit the nail squarely on the head here.  Kerneels De Wet sure
 looks like, sounds like, smells like, and walks like the duck that used to
 go by the name Anton Britz.  And they both hated Fox channel with a
 passion, and both bring their hatred into completely unrelated topics (like
 IBM-main discussions on zBX).

 Looks like another outlook rule to send e-mails directly to the trash...

 Rex


 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On
 Behalf Of Jousma, David
 Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 8:30 AM
 To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
 Subject: Re: It's feeding time in Jurassic Park . . .

 Anton Britt software consultants perhaps?


 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On
 Behalf Of Tom Marchant
 Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 9:20 AM
 To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
 Subject: Re: It's feeding time in Jurassic Park . . .

 On Fri, 4 May 2012 14:12:48 -0500, Kerneels de Wet wrote:

 No disrespect but this looks a little like

 I disagree.  This post and your later one are quite disrespectful.
 This is a technical forum with which you may be unfamiliar.
 AFAICT, you have posted exactly twice to IBM-MAIN, both of them in this
 thread with no apparent purpose than to attack George.

 George is a familiar name here.  While I do not recall any of the previous
 threads with which he was involved or the level of his involvement, he has
 started an interesting and worthwhile discussion.  You, on the other hand
 have contributed nothing.  Rather, you have detracted from this forum.

 b) You use a nameless email account

 PKB.  You use a nameless email account with no identifying information.
  Of course, to do so is your right, but why do you make an issue of it?
 ABSOFTWARECONSULTANTS.COM is an empty web site, apparently registered
 with ICANN anonymously four years ago.

 c) The SHARE grease monkeys immediately respond

 More insults.  Apparently you don't have a clue what SHARE is.  I would
 suggest that you refrain from posting until you learn some basic netiquette.

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Re: It's feeding time in Jurassic Park . . .

2012-05-07 Thread Mohammad Khan

Oh ... where is Anton Britz ? I already miss him. He used to send me links 
related to Pakistani cricket (in which I have no interest). Such are these nice 
ABS folks. I'd rather listen to a discussion about migration of Solaris to 
z/Linux but they insist that we learn about Fox. I don't know what their beef 
is with Fox. May be they live in a hen house :)
Continue the good technical discussion please.
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Re: Kerneels ( was RE: It's feeding time in Jurassic Park . . .)

2012-05-07 Thread Scott Ford

Rex,
 
Amen brothers and sisters of the Mainframe Church .hes sounds like quack 
quack to me

Scott J Ford
Software Engineer
http://www.identityforge.com
 
 


 From: Pommier, Rex R. rex.pomm...@cnasurety.com
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu 
Sent: Monday, May 7, 2012 10:50 AM
Subject: Kerneels ( was RE: It's feeding time in Jurassic Park . . .)
  
David,

I think you hit the nail squarely on the head here.  Kerneels De Wet sure looks 
like, sounds like, smells like, and walks like the duck that used to go by the 
name Anton Britz.  And they both hated Fox channel with a passion, and both 
bring their hatred into completely unrelated topics (like IBM-main discussions 
on zBX).

Looks like another outlook rule to send e-mails directly to the trash...

Rex


-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of 
Jousma, David
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 8:30 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: It's feeding time in Jurassic Park . . .

Anton Britt software consultants perhaps?


-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of 
Tom Marchant
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 9:20 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: It's feeding time in Jurassic Park . . .

On Fri, 4 May 2012 14:12:48 -0500, Kerneels de Wet wrote:

No disrespect but this looks a little like

I disagree.  This post and your later one are quite disrespectful.
This is a technical forum with which you may be unfamiliar.
AFAICT, you have posted exactly twice to IBM-MAIN, both of them in this thread 
with no apparent purpose than to attack George.

George is a familiar name here.  While I do not recall any of the previous 
threads with which he was involved or the level of his involvement, he has 
started an interesting and worthwhile discussion.  You, on the other hand have 
contributed nothing.  Rather, you have detracted from this forum.

b) You use a nameless email account

PKB.  You use a nameless email account with no identifying information.  Of 
course, to do so is your right, but why do you make an issue of it?  
ABSOFTWARECONSULTANTS.COM is an empty web site, apparently registered with 
ICANN anonymously four years ago.

c) The SHARE grease monkeys immediately respond

More insults.  Apparently you don't have a clue what SHARE is.  I would suggest 
that you refrain from posting until you learn some basic netiquette.

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Re: Kerneels ( was RE: It's feeding time in Jurassic Park . . .)

2012-05-07 Thread Mitch


Everyone:

It is one and the same. He also goes by Helpdesk. Just ignore him. I 
have him (and all his email addresses) as SPAM, so I no longer have to 
listen to his drivel.


Mitch


-Original Message-
From: Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com
To: IBM-MAIN IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Sent: Mon, May 7, 2012 1:10 pm
Subject: Re: Kerneels ( was RE: It's feeding time in Jurassic Park . . 
.)



Rex,
 
Amen brothers and sisters of the Mainframe Church .hes sounds like 
quack

quack to me

Scott J Ford
Software Engineer
http://www.identityforge.com
 



From: Pommier, Rex R. rex.pomm...@cnasurety.com
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Sent: Monday, May 7, 2012 10:50 AM
Subject: Kerneels ( was RE: It's feeding time in Jurassic Park . . .)

David,

I think you hit the nail squarely on the head here.  Kerneels De Wet 
sure looks
like, sounds like, smells like, and walks like the duck that used to go 
by the
name Anton Britz.  And they both hated Fox channel with a passion, and 
both
bring their hatred into completely unrelated topics (like IBM-main 
discussions

on zBX).

Looks like another outlook rule to send e-mails directly to the trash...

Rex


-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On 
Behalf Of

Jousma, David
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 8:30 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: It's feeding time in Jurassic Park . . .

Anton Britt software consultants perhaps?


-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On 
Behalf Of

Tom Marchant
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 9:20 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: It's feeding time in Jurassic Park . . .

On Fri, 4 May 2012 14:12:48 -0500, Kerneels de Wet wrote:


No disrespect but this looks a little like


I disagree.  This post and your later one are quite disrespectful.
This is a technical forum with which you may be unfamiliar.
AFAICT, you have posted exactly twice to IBM-MAIN, both of them in this 
thread

with no apparent purpose than to attack George.

George is a familiar name here.  While I do not recall any of the 
previous
threads with which he was involved or the level of his involvement, he 
has
started an interesting and worthwhile discussion.  You, on the other 
hand have

contributed nothing.  Rather, you have detracted from this forum.


b) You use a nameless email account


PKB.  You use a nameless email account with no identifying 
information.  Of

course, to do so is your right, but why do you make an issue of it? 
ABSOFTWARECONSULTANTS.COM is an empty web site, apparently registered 
with ICANN

anonymously four years ago.


c) The SHARE grease monkeys immediately respond


More insults.  Apparently you don't have a clue what SHARE is.  I would 
suggest

that you refrain from posting until you learn some basic netiquette.

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Re: It's feeding time in Jurassic Park . . .

2012-05-07 Thread George Henke

Radoslaw,

ty for your interesting and helpful comments.

But, I was hoping that the whole was more than just the sum of the parts,
what with the zBx hipervisor and the speed and security of hipersockets.

Our 100 or more mid-range servers are layered and seeded with a vast array
of internal firewalls, switches, routers, IDPs/IDSes, load balancers all of
which I was hoping could be potentially eliminated by zBx along with the
server standup time and the organic labor to support it.

The unwieldly complexity of this conglomeration makes just opening a new
OSA path very labor-intensive, fraught with unforeseen obstacles.


On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 9:43 AM, R.S. r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl wrote:

 Several dozens aswered, so it's my turn ;-) 1. Yes. 2. No.  From
 application point of view think about zBX as regular blade cabinet
  connected to the mainframe. You simply connect to mainframe a bunch of
  Intel-based (and other) servers using Ethernet/IP. My not so humbly
 opinion: zBX is regular bunch of blades plus management  network (for
 what?) + some management (for what?) plus a lot of sales  pitch and black
 magic. Conclusion: sysplex capabilities of zBX are almost the same as
 regular  PC connected to the mainframe. Means: it depend on the
 application. 3. Solaris is kind of Unix. Linux is also kind of Unix, but
 with no  certification. You have to port your applications. Usually vendors
 do  offer their applications of various platforms, so maybe it's a matter
 of  quite simple reinstallation + backup/restore. You could have similar
 problems to solve when moving from HP-UX to  Solaris, or from AIX to
 zLinux. 4. Yes, you have to recompile binary machine code. Java is
 another issue. Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland W dniu 2012-05-04 20:01,
 George Henke pisze:  and the dinosaurs are very hungry.  I need to
 migrate 50 Solaris servers to zLinux under z/VM on a z114 and  about the
 same number of Windows servers to zBx.  Does anyone have experience with
 this, some ideas?  Need a migration path.  Some questions:  Can z114 be
 upgraded to include zBx or must I upgrade to a z196 for that?  Can zBx be
 SYSPLEXed between 2 CECs?  If not, how do I eliminate the SPF, how do I do
 failover for the blade  servers?  How do I convert Solaris to zLInux
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Re: It's feeding time in Jurassic Park . . .

2012-05-07 Thread George Henke

Thank you very much, Timothy.

This is very helpful and will be very useful.

By SYSPLEX, I was thinking of running zBx applications from other CECs
(any2any), and also *takeover*, like SFM and ARM.

But this is probably way to much to ask for at this time.


On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 10:30 PM, Timothy Sipples timothy.sipp...@us.ibm.com
 wrote:

 Migration isn't really the word I'd use for moving Microsoft
 Windows-based applications to the zBX. (Moving is a better word.) It's
 fundamentally the same process as replacing an X86 server with another,
 because that's what it is. Note that the new X86 environment on zBX is
 virtualized, and it's also based on today's X86 cores rather than
 yesterday's (or before yesterday's), so it's extremely likely you'll be
 reducing core counts in making that move. You'll want to plan accordingly.
 It's also a managed environment, so that could be new (in a good way).

 As for Solaris to Linux on z, that too is a very well traveled path. Some
 sample documentation:

 http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redbooks/pdfs/sg247186.pdf
 http://www.ibm.com/systems/migratetoibm/oracle/solaristolinuxtoolkit.html

 If you're moving some standard piece(s) of middleware -- WebSphere
 Application Server, Oracle Database, etc. -- then it's unlikely to be a
 challenging exercise for the workload itself. You'll mainly be focused on
 the operational aspects, which are a bit different but only a bit. The
 toolkit (above) gets more relevant if you're moving custom C/C++
 applications -- and those would need to be recompiled. Note that a phased
 approach is generally possible and a good idea. Or, in other words, do the
 easy things first since that'll demonstrate you've got the environment set
 up correctly and the operational aspects ironed out.

 Note that OpenSolaris for System z is still available as is:

 http://distribution.sinenomine.net/opensolaris

 If you've got something particularly tricky to migrate then that could be
 part of your strategy as a stopgap.

 Yes, you can upgrade either a z114 or a z196 to include a zBX (one to four
 frames).

 I'm not sure I understand the SYSPLEXed question. Could you rephrase
 that?

 If you're asking what happens to the zBX in the extremely rare event its
 parent z114 (or z196) is offline (when does that ever happen?), the answer
 is not much. It continues to run.

 As for the other major scenario, what most people do with zBX-based
 applications -- Microsoft Windows, in your case -- is they still use
 software-based clustering as/if available across two or more different
 physical blades in different chassis. That sort of availability engineering
 doesn't fundamentally change, although you do pick up some management and
 server/network pre-fabrication benefits that can contribute to better
 availability. But if you're running a single instance of an application and
 it falls over, there will be a service interruption as it is restarted --
 no great surprise.


 
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Re: It's feeding time in Jurassic Park . . .

2012-05-07 Thread R.S.

W dniu 2012-05-07 23:19, George Henke pisze:

Radoslaw,

ty for your interesting and helpful comments.

But, I was hoping that the whole was more than just the sum of the parts,
what with the zBx hipervisor and the speed and security of hipersockets.

Our 100 or more mid-range servers are layered and seeded with a vast array
of internal firewalls, switches, routers, IDPs/IDSes, load balancers all of
which I was hoping could be potentially eliminated by zBx along with the
server standup time and the organic labor to support it.

The unwieldly complexity of this conglomeration makes just opening a new
OSA path very labor-intensive, fraught with unforeseen obstacles.

I dare to disagree.
Windows or Linux will have all the advantages and disadvantages on both
regular blade and zBX blade.
I think (no offence intended), that part of the advantages you mentioned
are fictitious.

1. LAN security. Assuming your server room is a safe place there is not
problem to establish secure LAN without zBX facilities. More: none of
the facilities is exclusive to zBX, all of them are available outside.
2. Firewalls, etc. Assuming some of your servers need to be in DMZ you
still need a firewall between those servers and your internal LAN. zBX
network will not replace it.
3. Complexity. No difference between regular blades and zBX. Yes, you
can have mess in distributed systems area, but you can have also mess in
zBX or even z/OS realm.

4. Labor. As above, no difference between regular blades and zBX.
5. Speed of hipersockets. zBX data network is regular 10G Ethernet. What
is the advantage over 10G Ethernet available outside zBX?
6. Power save. It wasn't mentioned here, but it can be found in sales
pitches. Another piece of bullsh*t, especially when compared with
regular blades.

Last, but not least: you have 100 or more severs? You are happy guy. So
simple environment... I'm serious...

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Re: Kerneels ( was RE: It's feeding time in Jurassic Park . . .)

2012-05-07 Thread Ron Hawkins

Yeah, he confirmed he is Anton in an off-list response to me.

He signed off  Kerneels/Anton/GrandMa/Helpdesk but he has also used Mohammed. 
Seems some people take offense at his posts and pass them on to people he would 
prefer never see them. Ipso facto the name changes.

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 .
 . .)
 
 Everyone:
 
 It is one and the same. He also goes by Helpdesk. Just ignore him. I have
 him (and all his email addresses) as SPAM, so I no longer have to listen to 
 his
 drivel.
 
 Mitch
 
 
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 Sent: Mon, May 7, 2012 1:10 pm
 Subject: Re: Kerneels ( was RE: It's feeding time in Jurassic Park . .
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 Rex,
 
 Amen brothers and sisters of the Mainframe Church .hes sounds like
 quack quack to me
 
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 Software Engineer
 http://www.identityforge.com
 
 
 
 
 From: Pommier, Rex R. rex.pomm...@cnasurety.com
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 Sent: Monday, May 7, 2012 10:50 AM
 Subject: Kerneels ( was RE: It's feeding time in Jurassic Park . . .)
 
 David,
 
 I think you hit the nail squarely on the head here.  Kerneels De Wet sure
 looks like, sounds like, smells like, and walks like the duck that used to go 
 by
 the name Anton Britz.  And they both hated Fox channel with a passion, and
 both bring their hatred into completely unrelated topics (like IBM-main
 discussions on zBX).
 
 Looks like another outlook rule to send e-mails directly to the trash...
 
 Rex
 
 
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 Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 8:30 AM
 To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
 Subject: Re: It's feeding time in Jurassic Park . . .
 
 Anton Britt software consultants perhaps?
 
 
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 Behalf Of Tom Marchant
 Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 9:20 AM
 To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
 Subject: Re: It's feeding time in Jurassic Park . . .
 
 On Fri, 4 May 2012 14:12:48 -0500, Kerneels de Wet wrote:
 
 No disrespect but this looks a little like
 
 I disagree.  This post and your later one are quite disrespectful.
 This is a technical forum with which you may be unfamiliar.
 AFAICT, you have posted exactly twice to IBM-MAIN, both of them in this
 thread with no apparent purpose than to attack George.
 
 George is a familiar name here.  While I do not recall any of the previous
 threads with which he was involved or the level of his involvement, he has
 started an interesting and worthwhile discussion.  You, on the other hand
 have contributed nothing.  Rather, you have detracted from this forum.
 
 b) You use a nameless email account
 
 PKB.  You use a nameless email account with no identifying information.  Of
 course, to do so is your right, but why do you make an issue of it?
 ABSOFTWARECONSULTANTS.COM is an empty web site, apparently
 registered with ICANN anonymously four years ago.
 
 c) The SHARE grease monkeys immediately respond
 
 More insults.  Apparently you don't have a clue what SHARE is.  I would
 suggest that you refrain from posting until you learn some basic netiquette.
 
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Re: Kerneels ( was RE: It's feeding time in Jurassic Park . . .)

2012-05-07 Thread Scott Ford

Ty Ron, sorry dont get this guy

Scott ford
www.identityforge.com

On May 7, 2012, at 10:16 PM, Ron Hawkins ronjhawk...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

 Yeah, he confirmed he is Anton in an off-list response to me.
 
 He signed off  Kerneels/Anton/GrandMa/Helpdesk but he has also used 
 Mohammed. Seems some people take offense at his posts and pass them on to 
 people he would prefer never see them. Ipso facto the name changes.
 
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 Park .
 . .)
 
 Everyone:
 
 It is one and the same. He also goes by Helpdesk. Just ignore him. I have
 him (and all his email addresses) as SPAM, so I no longer have to listen to 
 his
 drivel.
 
 Mitch
 
 
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 Sent: Mon, May 7, 2012 1:10 pm
 Subject: Re: Kerneels ( was RE: It's feeding time in Jurassic Park . .
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 Rex,
 
 Amen brothers and sisters of the Mainframe Church .hes sounds like
 quack quack to me
 
 Scott J Ford
 Software Engineer
 http://www.identityforge.com
 
 
 
 
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 To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
 Sent: Monday, May 7, 2012 10:50 AM
 Subject: Kerneels ( was RE: It's feeding time in Jurassic Park . . .)
 
 David,
 
 I think you hit the nail squarely on the head here.  Kerneels De Wet sure
 looks like, sounds like, smells like, and walks like the duck that used to 
 go by
 the name Anton Britz.  And they both hated Fox channel with a passion, and
 both bring their hatred into completely unrelated topics (like IBM-main
 discussions on zBX).
 
 Looks like another outlook rule to send e-mails directly to the trash...
 
 Rex
 
 
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 Subject: Re: It's feeding time in Jurassic Park . . .
 
 Anton Britt software consultants perhaps?
 
 
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 Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 9:20 AM
 To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
 Subject: Re: It's feeding time in Jurassic Park . . .
 
 On Fri, 4 May 2012 14:12:48 -0500, Kerneels de Wet wrote:
 
 No disrespect but this looks a little like
 
 I disagree.  This post and your later one are quite disrespectful.
 This is a technical forum with which you may be unfamiliar.
 AFAICT, you have posted exactly twice to IBM-MAIN, both of them in this
 thread with no apparent purpose than to attack George.
 
 George is a familiar name here.  While I do not recall any of the previous
 threads with which he was involved or the level of his involvement, he has
 started an interesting and worthwhile discussion.  You, on the other hand
 have contributed nothing.  Rather, you have detracted from this forum.
 
 b) You use a nameless email account
 
 PKB.  You use a nameless email account with no identifying information.  Of
 course, to do so is your right, but why do you make an issue of it?
 ABSOFTWARECONSULTANTS.COM is an empty web site, apparently
 registered with ICANN anonymously four years ago.
 
 c) The SHARE grease monkeys immediately respond
 
 More insults.  Apparently you don't have a clue what SHARE is.  I would
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Re: It's feeding time in Jurassic Park . . .

2012-05-07 Thread Timothy Sipples

One point I'd like to highlight is that a zBX is *not* simply another blade
server chassis. One of the key reasons it's not the same is the zEnterprise
Unified Resource Manager (URM). For example, URM is able to coordinate
resource allocations and provisioning dynamically across multiple operating
systems, in effect extending some of z/OS's Workload Manager (WLM)
capabilities out into the blades. That's unique. More information available
here:

http://www.ibm.com/systems/z/hardware/zenterprise/unifiedresourcemanager.html

Another point... Yes, you *could* replicate some of the functions of a zBX
by building something else out of various parts. In practice, that's hard.
(George highlighted a common problem among many: networking run amok.) In
principle you could also write and maintain your own operating systems,
relational databases, transaction managers, service management tools, etc.,
but in practice you'd probably do it rather badly, and it would necessarily
require more labor than buying something complete and ready-to-go.


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2012-05-06 Thread Jousma, David

George, you might join the IBM-ENS forums just setup on Marist for ZBX type 
issues.   Not a lot of traffic on it yet, but people are watching it.

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Re: It's feeding time in Jurassic Park . . .

2012-05-05 Thread Mark Post

 On 5/4/2012 at 09:24 PM, George Henke gahe...@gmail.com wrote: 
 Thank you very much, Mark, for the very helpful info.
 
 Right now, we are running RHEL and it looks like the Solaris migration will
 be to that.  Does SLES have better support?

Obviously I am biased in this regard.  :)  All I will say is that if you wish 
to run an HA implementation on System z (as opposed to on Intel blades in the 
zBX), SUSE has that option, whereas Red Hat does not.  Their Clustering Suite 
with GFS is not supported on System z.  There are other differentiators between 
RHEL and SLES, but I won't go into them here.  If you'd like more info, please 
contact me off list.  In any case, good luck with your migration.  I'm always 
happy to see Linux on System z win at the expense of Solaris.  :)


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Re: It's feeding time in Jurassic Park . . .

2012-05-05 Thread George Henke

Kerneels,

I am really sorry you do not believe me.

I am not trying to tell anyone anything.

The IBM zEnterprise Summit which I attended a few months ago in Manhattan
did highlight the dramatic cost-savings that can be realized with server
consolidation on a zSeries box and cited a number of successful conversions
like Bank of India and Bank of China.

To me this is the beginning an industry-wide seismic shift much like the
one that occurred with PCs a generation ago, only in the opposite direction
now.

I am sure I would not have been told to do anything had my management not
also learned that the competition was actively pursuing it.


On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 10:47 PM, Kerneels de Wet 
kerne...@absoftwareconsultants.com wrote:

 George,

 Are you sure you are not working for the Fox channel because you just said:

 a) you HAVE TO  do this project because your opposition is doing it
 b) but based on your questions,  you are not sure how, what and when all
 this has to work together
 c) and now, you are trying to tell us, we should all do it because of
 cost savings  and
 d) you even want to tell us, what is happening in the market place...
 Server consolidation is the rage

 Note: People on the Fox channel does this all day but they take money to
 do it and you are doing it because the opposition is doing it ?  Amazing
 stuff this..

 Kerneels

 John,

 At IBM's z Summit Road Show they cite Bank of India and Bank of China and
 numerous others with cost savings of 1/3 or more.

 Server consolidation vis-a-vis virtualization is the rage these days.

 And this one is real too.

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Re: It's feeding time in Jurassic Park . . .

2012-05-05 Thread Timothy Sipples

Migration isn't really the word I'd use for moving Microsoft
Windows-based applications to the zBX. (Moving is a better word.) It's
fundamentally the same process as replacing an X86 server with another,
because that's what it is. Note that the new X86 environment on zBX is
virtualized, and it's also based on today's X86 cores rather than
yesterday's (or before yesterday's), so it's extremely likely you'll be
reducing core counts in making that move. You'll want to plan accordingly.
It's also a managed environment, so that could be new (in a good way).

As for Solaris to Linux on z, that too is a very well traveled path. Some
sample documentation:

http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redbooks/pdfs/sg247186.pdf
http://www.ibm.com/systems/migratetoibm/oracle/solaristolinuxtoolkit.html

If you're moving some standard piece(s) of middleware -- WebSphere
Application Server, Oracle Database, etc. -- then it's unlikely to be a
challenging exercise for the workload itself. You'll mainly be focused on
the operational aspects, which are a bit different but only a bit. The
toolkit (above) gets more relevant if you're moving custom C/C++
applications -- and those would need to be recompiled. Note that a phased
approach is generally possible and a good idea. Or, in other words, do the
easy things first since that'll demonstrate you've got the environment set
up correctly and the operational aspects ironed out.

Note that OpenSolaris for System z is still available as is:

http://distribution.sinenomine.net/opensolaris

If you've got something particularly tricky to migrate then that could be
part of your strategy as a stopgap.

Yes, you can upgrade either a z114 or a z196 to include a zBX (one to four
frames).

I'm not sure I understand the SYSPLEXed question. Could you rephrase
that?

If you're asking what happens to the zBX in the extremely rare event its
parent z114 (or z196) is offline (when does that ever happen?), the answer
is not much. It continues to run.

As for the other major scenario, what most people do with zBX-based
applications -- Microsoft Windows, in your case -- is they still use
software-based clustering as/if available across two or more different
physical blades in different chassis. That sort of availability engineering
doesn't fundamentally change, although you do pick up some management and
server/network pre-fabrication benefits that can contribute to better
availability. But if you're running a single instance of an application and
it falls over, there will be a service interruption as it is restarted --
no great surprise.


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Re: It's feeding time in Jurassic Park . . .


On 5/4/2012 11:01 AM, George Henke wrote:

I need to migrate 50 Solaris servers to zLinux under z/VM on a z114 and
about the same number of Windows servers to zBx.


Congratulations! You wanna come share your experience at SHARE in Anaheim in 
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Re: It's feeding time in Jurassic Park . . .

ty.  I would, but I doubt it will have been completed by then.

On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 2:06 PM, Edward Jaffe edja...@phoenixsoftware.comwrote:

 On 5/4/2012 11:01 AM, George Henke wrote:

 I need to migrate 50 Solaris servers to zLinux under z/VM on a z114 and
 about the same number of Windows servers to zBx.


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On 5/4/2012 11:10 AM, George Henke wrote:

ty.  I would, but I doubt it will have been completed by then.


OK. We'll 'pencil' you in for San Francisco in February... :-)

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I will remind you

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 On 5/4/2012 11:10 AM, George Henke wrote:

 ty.  I would, but I doubt it will have been completed by then.


 OK. We'll 'pencil' you in for San Francisco in February... :-)


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Re: It's feeding time in Jurassic Park . . .

2012-05-04 Thread Mark Pace

I can answer one question.  Yes you can connect a zBX to a z114, it does
not require a z196.

On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 2:15 PM, George Henke gahe...@gmail.com wrote:

 I will remind you

 On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 2:14 PM, Edward Jaffe edja...@phoenixsoftware.com
 wrote:

  On 5/4/2012 11:10 AM, George Henke wrote:
 
  ty.  I would, but I doubt it will have been completed by then.
 
 
  OK. We'll 'pencil' you in for San Francisco in February... :-)
 
 
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Re: It's feeding time in Jurassic Park . . .

2012-05-04 Thread McKown, John

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 Subject: It's feeding time in Jurassic Park . . .

 and the dinosaurs are very hungry.

 I need to migrate 50 Solaris servers to zLinux under z/VM on 
 a z114 and
 about the same number of Windows servers to zBx.

Congrats!

 Does anyone have experience with this, some ideas?

Experience, no. Ideas, sure! Why not? grin

 Need a migration path.

 Some questions:

 Can z114 be upgraded to include zBx or must I upgrade to a 
 z196 for that?

I am not sure.

 Can zBx be SYSPLEXed between 2 CECs?

No. a zBx can be attached to at most 1 CEC.

 If not, how do I eliminate the SPF, how do I do failover for the blade
 servers?

SPF? Single point of failure? You need to have multiple z114s with and 
associated zBX.
I think you'd do failover just like you would with any other racked mounted 
servers. 
If the rack fails, all the servers fail. So you need the same techniques with a 
zBX rack.
I'm not a PC person, but I think this involves TCP connections between a server 
and it's failover
twin.

 How do I convert Solaris to zLInux under z/VM?  Solaris is 
 not supported by
 zBx.
 Must I recompile the applications running under Solaris to 
 run them under
 zLinux?

Yes, you must recompile. z/Linux runs on the z/Architecture instruction set. 
Solaris runs on
Intel or SPARC(?). You can't run Intel or SPARC instructions on a z. However 
there are two exceptions
that I can think of which __may__ not need recompilation. The first is Java 
code. The .jar and .class
files should run on any compatible JVM, regardless of the underlying hardware 
architecture. Another
possibility is .NET applications. They __might__ run on a z/Linux using Mono. 
Again, because they
don't run native, but on an instruction emulator. Shell scripts may need some 
changing. Perl, Python, Ruby 
and other intepreted language may need some changing, depending on the levels 
of the intepreter
on z/Linux versus the one on Solaris.

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Re: It's feeding time in Jurassic Park . . .

tyvm, John, Mark, Edward.

Mark,

Do I need an Enterprise Class z114 box or will a Business Class one suffice?

John,

A compelling reason for server consolidation on zBx as IBM pointed out in
their z Summit is that zMIPS GCPs are totally dedicated to regular workload
processing, no I/O - that is done by the channels, CHPIDs.

Whereas all other servers use the GCPs for both normal processing and I/O.
So all MIPS are not equal.

Since most commerical workloads are I/O, not CPU, bound this amounts to
substantial CPU savings.

Also, it is the IBM operating system architecture, FLIH, that enables this
to happen and there is no other server in the world that is configured
thus.

On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 2:39 PM, McKown, John
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  Subject: It's feeding time in Jurassic Park . . .
 
  and the dinosaurs are very hungry.
 
  I need to migrate 50 Solaris servers to zLinux under z/VM on
  a z114 and
  about the same number of Windows servers to zBx.

 Congrats!

 
  Does anyone have experience with this, some ideas?

 Experience, no. Ideas, sure! Why not? grin

 
  Need a migration path.
 
  Some questions:
 
  Can z114 be upgraded to include zBx or must I upgrade to a
  z196 for that?

 I am not sure.

  Can zBx be SYSPLEXed between 2 CECs?

 No. a zBx can be attached to at most 1 CEC.

  If not, how do I eliminate the SPF, how do I do failover for the blade
  servers?

 SPF? Single point of failure? You need to have multiple z114s with and
 associated zBX.
 I think you'd do failover just like you would with any other racked
 mounted servers.
 If the rack fails, all the servers fail. So you need the same techniques
 with a zBX rack.
 I'm not a PC person, but I think this involves TCP connections between a
 server and it's failover
 twin.

  How do I convert Solaris to zLInux under z/VM?  Solaris is
  not supported by
  zBx.
  Must I recompile the applications running under Solaris to
  run them under
  zLinux?

 Yes, you must recompile. z/Linux runs on the z/Architecture instruction
 set. Solaris runs on
 Intel or SPARC(?). You can't run Intel or SPARC instructions on a z.
 However there are two exceptions
 that I can think of which __may__ not need recompilation. The first is
 Java code. The .jar and .class
 files should run on any compatible JVM, regardless of the underlying
 hardware architecture. Another
 possibility is .NET applications. They __might__ run on a z/Linux using
 Mono. Again, because they
 don't run native, but on an instruction emulator. Shell scripts may need
 some changing. Perl, Python, Ruby
 and other intepreted language may need some changing, depending on the
 levels of the intepreter
 on z/Linux versus the one on Solaris.

 
 
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Re: It's feeding time in Jurassic Park . . .

2012-05-04 Thread Mark Post

 On 5/4/2012 at 02:01 PM, George Henke gahe...@gmail.com wrote: 
 I need to migrate 50 Solaris servers to zLinux under z/VM on a z114 and
 about the same number of Windows servers to zBx.
 
 Does anyone have experience with this, some ideas?

Some.  If you've decided to use SLES on System z, then we might be able to 
provide some technical assistance.  Contact me off list if that is the case.

 Need a migration path.
 
 Some questions:
 
 Can z114 be upgraded to include zBx or must I upgrade to a z196 for that?
 Can zBx be SYSPLEXed between 2 CECs?
 If not, how do I eliminate the SPF, how do I do failover for the blade
 servers?

If you have highly available applications running on Solaris, then you must be 
running some form of an HA cluster, or the applications themselves provide the 
HA.  In either case, HA clustering is available on Linux, or the applications 
themselves will still be providing it.

 How do I convert Solaris to zLInux under z/VM?  Solaris is not supported by
 zBx.

The zBX has nothing to do with z/VM anyway.  You would be running the Linux 
systems on the System z itself, most likely on IFLs.  There is a version of 
OpenSolaris that runs on System z, and was approved by IBM for use on IFLs.  
I'm only aware of one company that provides any support for it (they did all 
the porting work), and I'm not sure if the project survived the acquisition of 
Sun by Oracle.

 Must I recompile the applications running under Solaris to run them under
 zLinux?

If they're written in a compiled language, then yes.  IBM has a source code 
analyzer for C that will warn you about any Solaris-specific usages in the 
source code.  The tool was developed specifically with the intent of helping 
customers migrate from Solaris to Linux.  If you can't find it via Google, let 
me know and I'll see if I can track it down.


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Re: It's feeding time in Jurassic Park . . .

2012-05-04 Thread Mark Post

 On 5/4/2012 at 02:55 PM, George Henke gahe...@gmail.com wrote: 
 Do I need an Enterprise Class z114 box or will a Business Class one suffice?

There are no such things.  IBM marketing confusing things again.  A z114 could 
be considered the equivalent of a BC model and the z196 and EC model.


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Re: It's feeding time in Jurassic Park . . .

2012-05-04 Thread Kerneels de Wet

No disrespect but this looks a little like what the Fox channel dishes up for 
us on a daily basis:

a) You post a message on IBMMAIN stating that you are starting a project but 
have no idea how to do it
b) You use a nameless email account with a cellphone number listed as 
Poughkeepsie , NY
c) The SHARE grease monkeys immediately respond with YOU are doing what ? You 
need to come talk to us 
d) The Health Care BIG spender responds with My management wants to go the 
other way

Note: If it smells like a duck, quacks like a duck, looks like a duck, and 
walks like a duck...it should be on the FOX channel

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Re: It's feeding time in Jurassic Park . . .

I do not suppose there is any way of sharing a zBx between 2 CECs.

On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Mark Post mp...@suse.com wrote:

  On 5/4/2012 at 02:55 PM, George Henke gahe...@gmail.com wrote:
  Do I need an Enterprise Class z114 box or will a Business Class one
 suffice?

 There are no such things.  IBM marketing confusing things again.  A z114
 could be considered the equivalent of a BC model and the z196 and EC model.


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Re: It's feeding time in Jurassic Park . . .

2012-05-04 Thread Ken Porowski

I think the way it works is that you have a 'zEnterprise CEC' which is
composed of a z114/z196 and optionally a zBX .

The zBX is not standalone 


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I do not suppose there is any way of sharing a zBx between 2 CECs.

On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Mark Post mp...@suse.com wrote:

  On 5/4/2012 at 02:55 PM, George Henke gahe...@gmail.com wrote:
  Do I need an Enterprise Class z114 box or will a Business Class one
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 There are no such things.  IBM marketing confusing things again.  A 
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Re: It's feeding time in Jurassic Park . . .

2012-05-04 Thread Tom Ambros

To be pedantic 

You have a zEnterprise node, which is a z196/z114 with zero or one 
attached zBX.   A zBX may have one to four frames.  You can couple up to 
eight nodes.  This comprises the domain of a single zManager. 

I suppose you could get clever and set up some sort of recovery and 
failover system for your blades within the scope of this zManager, but 
with little to no hands on experience with one of these things I am not 
totally sure how.  I am very confident that it can be done, however, I do 
believe that there are APIs at the customer's disposal. 

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I think the way it works is that you have a 'zEnterprise CEC' which is
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The zBX is not standalone 


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I do not suppose there is any way of sharing a zBx between 2 CECs.

On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Mark Post mp...@suse.com wrote:

  On 5/4/2012 at 02:55 PM, George Henke gahe...@gmail.com wrote:
  Do I need an Enterprise Class z114 box or will a Business Class one
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 There are no such things.  IBM marketing confusing things again.  A 
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Re: It's feeding time in Jurassic Park . . .

2012-05-04 Thread Scott Ford

George,
Done a lot of migrations never Solaris to Z/vm and z/Linux...amen..we Dino's 
are now smiling, victory...one thought, anyone done disk or cycle benchmarks ? 
Or is this a slam dunk, been there too, but one needs to plan..not sure what 
the total picture of your situation is...


But congrats on the victory


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On May 4, 2012, at 3:46 PM, George Henke gahe...@gmail.com wrote:

 I do not suppose there is any way of sharing a zBx between 2 CECs.
 
 On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Mark Post mp...@suse.com wrote:
 
 On 5/4/2012 at 02:55 PM, George Henke gahe...@gmail.com wrote:
 Do I need an Enterprise Class z114 box or will a Business Class one
 suffice?
 
 There are no such things.  IBM marketing confusing things again.  A z114
 could be considered the equivalent of a BC model and the z196 and EC model.
 
 
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Re: It's feeding time in Jurassic Park . . .

2012-05-04 Thread Mark Pace

Yeah and?

A) - happens all the time.  management buys into a sales pitch and next
thing you know your plowing new ground.
B) - Yeah, so?
C) - They are trying to find information just like everyone else.
D) - ??

I just don't the FOX channel reference.

On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 3:12 PM, Kerneels de Wet 
kerne...@absoftwareconsultants.com wrote:

 No disrespect but this looks a little like what the Fox channel dishes
 up for us on a daily basis:

 a) You post a message on IBMMAIN stating that you are starting a project
 but have no idea how to do it
 b) You use a nameless email account with a cellphone number listed as
 Poughkeepsie , NY
 c) The SHARE grease monkeys immediately respond with YOU are doing what ?
 You need to come talk to us 
 d) The Health Care BIG spender responds with My management wants to go
 the other way

 Note: If it smells like a duck, quacks like a duck, looks like a duck, and
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Re: It's feeding time in Jurassic Park . . .

2012-05-04 Thread Bernd Oppolzer


We have some experience here regarding developing portable
C applications targetting z/OS mainframes (which should be little or
no difference to z/VM and z/Linux) and Solaris on Sparc.

Our experience is: the Sparc hardware is more critical than the z hardware,
for example, a pointer to int or long that contains an address that is 
not properly
aligned leads to abends on Sparc (like at the days of S/360), but of 
course not
at z/Arch. So if your C programs do some casts of - for example - char 
pointers

to int or long pointers, your application will fail on Sparc.

That said, the migration from Sparc to z/Arch should be less problematic.

Another source of problems might be the different character set; the Sparc
machine uses ASCII. But the endianness of the integers is the same (big 
endian).


Kind regards

Bernd



Am 04.05.2012 22:06, schrieb Scott Ford:

George,
Done a lot of migrations never Solaris to Z/vm and z/Linux...amen..we Dino's 
are now smiling, victory...one thought, anyone done disk or cycle benchmarks ? 
Or is this a slam dunk, been there too, but one needs to plan..not sure what 
the total picture of your situation is...


But congrats on the victory


Scott Ford
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On 5/4/2012 1:22 PM, Mark Pace wrote:

I just don't the FOX channel reference.


I assumed this was a reference to Hell's Kitchen since they serve duck on that 
show and it is on FOX. Otherwise, I'm stumped...


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Another source of problems might be the different character set; the Sparc
machine uses ASCII.


Linux on z also uses ASCII.

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Re: It's feeding time in Jurassic Park . . .

2012-05-04 Thread Scott Ford

Aren't we here to help colleagues who need the help and assistance ?
I understand there's a fine line between eloping and be used bad abused ..been 
there done that haver numerous tshirts


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On May 4, 2012, at 3:12 PM, Kerneels de Wet 
kerne...@absoftwareconsultants.com wrote:

 No disrespect but this looks a little like what the Fox channel dishes up 
 for us on a daily basis:
 
 a) You post a message on IBMMAIN stating that you are starting a project but 
 have no idea how to do it
 b) You use a nameless email account with a cellphone number listed as 
 Poughkeepsie , NY
 c) The SHARE grease monkeys immediately respond with YOU are doing what ? 
 You need to come talk to us 
 d) The Health Care BIG spender responds with My management wants to go the 
 other way
 
 Note: If it smells like a duck, quacks like a duck, looks like a duck, and 
 walks like a duck...it should be on the FOX channel
 
 Kerneels
 
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Re: It's feeding time in Jurassic Park . . .

2012-05-04 Thread Mark Post

 On 5/4/2012 at 04:31 PM, Bernd Oppolzer bernd.oppol...@t-online.de wrote: 
 Another source of problems might be the different character set; the Sparc
 machine uses ASCII. But the endianness of the integers is the same (big 
 endian).

Linux on System z is also ASCII, so no character set / code page translations 
are needed.


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Re: It's feeding time in Jurassic Park . . .

2012-05-04 Thread Gibney, Dave

The wisdom of Anton (Kerneels here) is generally well mixed in with much that 
is superfluous to the actual conversation.

Dave Gibney
Information Technology Services
Washington State University


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 Subject: Re: It's feeding time in Jurassic Park . . .
 
 Aren't we here to help colleagues who need the help and assistance ?
 I understand there's a fine line between eloping and be used bad abused
 ..been there done that haver numerous tshirts
 
 
 Scott Ford
 Senior Systems Engineer
 www.identityforge.com
 
 
 
 On May 4, 2012, at 3:12 PM, Kerneels de Wet
 kerne...@absoftwareconsultants.com wrote:
 
  No disrespect but this looks a little like what the Fox channel dishes up
 for us on a daily basis:
 
  a) You post a message on IBMMAIN stating that you are starting a project
 but have no idea how to do it
  b) You use a nameless email account with a cellphone number listed as
 Poughkeepsie , NY
  c) The SHARE grease monkeys immediately respond with YOU are doing
 what ? You need to come talk to us 
  d) The Health Care BIG spender responds with My management wants to
 go the other way
 
  Note: If it smells like a duck, quacks like a duck, looks like a duck, and 
  walks
 like a duck...it should be on the FOX channel
 
  Kerneels
 
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Re: It's feeding time in Jurassic Park . . .

2012-05-04 Thread Rich Greenberg

In article 4fa41a98.9020...@phoenixsoftware.com you write:

Congratulations! You wanna come share your experience at SHARE in
Anaheim in August?

Which August?  2013, 2014, 20.

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Re: It's feeding time in Jurassic Park . . .

2012-05-04 Thread Scott Ford

Yeah Dave,

I also think a lot of managers , who lack technical expertise get sold ideas, 
like someone else said. Been there also...about 100 Advil headache ...I was 
told by a very wise Irish woman, my mom, don't use your head for a hat rack...


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 The wisdom of Anton (Kerneels here) is generally well mixed in with much 
 that is superfluous to the actual conversation.
 
 Dave Gibney
 Information Technology Services
 Washington State University
 
 
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 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On
 Behalf Of Scott Ford
 Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 1:35 PM
 To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
 Subject: Re: It's feeding time in Jurassic Park . . .
 
 Aren't we here to help colleagues who need the help and assistance ?
 I understand there's a fine line between eloping and be used bad abused
 ..been there done that haver numerous tshirts
 
 
 Scott Ford
 Senior Systems Engineer
 www.identityforge.com
 
 
 
 On May 4, 2012, at 3:12 PM, Kerneels de Wet
 kerne...@absoftwareconsultants.com wrote:
 
 No disrespect but this looks a little like what the Fox channel dishes up
 for us on a daily basis:
 
 a) You post a message on IBMMAIN stating that you are starting a project
 but have no idea how to do it
 b) You use a nameless email account with a cellphone number listed as
 Poughkeepsie , NY
 c) The SHARE grease monkeys immediately respond with YOU are doing
 what ? You need to come talk to us 
 d) The Health Care BIG spender responds with My management wants to
 go the other way
 
 Note: If it smells like a duck, quacks like a duck, looks like a duck, and 
 walks
 like a duck...it should be on the FOX channel
 
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Re: It's feeding time in Jurassic Park . . .


On 5/4/2012 3:01 PM, Rich Greenberg wrote:

In article4fa41a98.9020...@phoenixsoftware.com  you write:


Congratulations! You wanna come share your experience at SHARE in
Anaheim in August?

Which August?  2013, 2014, 20.


Lol! August 2012 is Anaheim. August 2013 is Boston. August 2014 and beyond are 
not yet announced.


See http://www.share.org/p/cm/ld/fid=58

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Re: It's feeding time in Jurassic Park . . .

2012-05-04 Thread John Gilmore

I have firsthand, personal knowledge of just one successful
Scandinavian project in which even more ambitious
server-virtualization goals were set and met; but one successful
project---conducted by serious, highly competent people---does
establish the feasibility of such an undertaking.

It is thus premature and perhaps worse to label this query a joke or
scam of some sort.  If it is one, that will emerge; but let's defer
judgment for now.

John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA

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Re: It's feeding time in Jurassic Park . . .

With all due respect Kerneels, I may indeed smell like a duck, quack like a
duck, look like a duck, and walk like a duck, but I am not a duck.

I represent a real entity which does not wish to telegraph its moves to the
competition, so I use my personal email.

That entity currently owns a z196 and a z114 and management requested me
today to develop a strategy asap to migrate our 50 some odd Solaris servers
and an equal number of Windows and Linux servers to zBx.

I have never done this before.

When confronted with such *showstoppers* I have always come here and never
been disappointed by the wonderful support, generosity, and unselfish
sharing of vital technical information by the listers.

I regret it sounds like a fishing expedition, but it is for real.

And I thank everyone here very much for the helpful guidance you have all
already given me.  It has jumped started the work.

And I thank also very much all who have responded to me off list.

The hints and tips, heads-up, and experienced technical advice is
invaluable.

Thank you all very much.



Once again thank you all very much as always. . .

On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 3:12 PM, Kerneels de Wet 
kerne...@absoftwareconsultants.com wrote:

 No disrespect but this looks a little like what the Fox channel dishes
 up for us on a daily basis:

 a) You post a message on IBMMAIN stating that you are starting a project
 but have no idea how to do it
 b) You use a nameless email account with a cellphone number listed as
 Poughkeepsie , NY
 c) The SHARE grease monkeys immediately respond with YOU are doing what ?
 You need to come talk to us 
 d) The Health Care BIG spender responds with My management wants to go
 the other way

 Note: If it smells like a duck, quacks like a duck, looks like a duck, and
 walks like a duck...it should be on the FOX channel

 Kerneels

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Re: It's feeding time in Jurassic Park . . .

John,

At IBM's z Summit Road Show they cite Bank of India and Bank of China and
numerous others with cost savings of 1/3 or more.

Server consolidation vis-a-vis virtualization is the rage these days.

And this one is real too.

I do live in the vicinity of IBM, and even worked there in the distant
past, but this is not for IBM.

And thank you everyone who has responded on and off list.


On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 6:58 PM, John Gilmore johnwgilmore0...@gmail.comwrote:

 I have firsthand, personal knowledge of just one successful
 Scandinavian project in which even more ambitious
 server-virtualization goals were set and met; but one successful
 project---conducted by serious, highly competent people---does
 establish the feasibility of such an undertaking.

 It is thus premature and perhaps worse to label this query a joke or
 scam of some sort.  If it is one, that will emerge; but let's defer
 judgment for now.

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Re: It's feeding time in Jurassic Park . . .

2012-05-04 Thread Frank Swarbrick

I know little about nothing in this regard, but given a zBx with an Intel 
processor (that, along with POWER7, is available right?), I can't see why you'd 
have to recompile anything.  And in fact, could you not run Windows, Linux for 
Intel, and Solaris for Intel on zBx?  Wouldn't you just be moving from 
standalone servers to zBx blades?

I think there is some confusion where some have mis-interpreted this as moving 
to Linux for z, but it looks to me like this is not your intent.

Frank





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Subject: Re: It's feeding time in Jurassic Park . . .
 
With all due respect Kerneels, I may indeed smell like a duck, quack like a
duck, look like a duck, and walk like a duck, but I am not a duck.

I represent a real entity which does not wish to telegraph its moves to the
competition, so I use my personal email.

That entity currently owns a z196 and a z114 and management requested me
today to develop a strategy asap to migrate our 50 some odd Solaris servers
and an equal number of Windows and Linux servers to zBx.

I have never done this before.

When confronted with such *showstoppers* I have always come here and never
been disappointed by the wonderful support, generosity, and unselfish
sharing of vital technical information by the listers.

I regret it sounds like a fishing expedition, but it is for real.

And I thank everyone here very much for the helpful guidance you have all
already given me.  It has jumped started the work.

And I thank also very much all who have responded to me off list.

The hints and tips, heads-up, and experienced technical advice is
invaluable.

Thank you all very much.



Once again thank you all very much as always. . .

On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 3:12 PM, Kerneels de Wet 
kerne...@absoftwareconsultants.com wrote:

 No disrespect but this looks a little like what the Fox channel dishes
 up for us on a daily basis:

 a) You post a message on IBMMAIN stating that you are starting a project
 but have no idea how to do it
 b) You use a nameless email account with a cellphone number listed as
 Poughkeepsie , NY
 c) The SHARE grease monkeys immediately respond with YOU are doing what ?
 You need to come talk to us 
 d) The Health Care BIG spender responds with My management wants to go
 the other way

 Note: If it smells like a duck, quacks like a duck, looks like a duck, and
 walks like a duck...it should be on the FOX channel

 Kerneels

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Re: It's feeding time in Jurassic Park . . .

Right :-)

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 In article 4fa41a98.9020...@phoenixsoftware.com you write:

 Congratulations! You wanna come share your experience at SHARE in
 Anaheim in August?

 Which August?  2013, 2014, 20.

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Re: It's feeding time in Jurassic Park . . .

Frank,

Solaris is not supported under zBX.

So the workaround is to move it to zLinux under z/VM which is even better
because it will be running on the MF not the zBX side.

There it will have much more efficient use of the GCP, no GCP cycles used
for I/O.

This is especially nice when you consider most commericial workloads are
I/O, not CPU, bound.

On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 8:06 PM, Frank Swarbrick
frank.swarbr...@yahoo.comwrote:

 I know little about nothing in this regard, but given a zBx with an Intel
 processor (that, along with POWER7, is available right?), I can't see why
 you'd have to recompile anything.  And in fact, could you not run Windows,
 Linux for Intel, and Solaris for Intel on zBx?  Wouldn't you just be moving
 from standalone servers to zBx blades?

 I think there is some confusion where some have mis-interpreted this as
 moving to Linux for z, but it looks to me like this is not your intent.

 Frank




 
  From: George Henke gahe...@gmail.com
 To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
 Sent: Friday, May 4, 2012 5:46 PM
 Subject: Re: It's feeding time in Jurassic Park . . .
 
 With all due respect Kerneels, I may indeed smell like a duck, quack like
 a
 duck, look like a duck, and walk like a duck, but I am not a duck.
 
 I represent a real entity which does not wish to telegraph its moves to
 the
 competition, so I use my personal email.
 
 That entity currently owns a z196 and a z114 and management requested me
 today to develop a strategy asap to migrate our 50 some odd Solaris
 servers
 and an equal number of Windows and Linux servers to zBx.
 
 I have never done this before.
 
 When confronted with such *showstoppers* I have always come here and never
 been disappointed by the wonderful support, generosity, and unselfish
 sharing of vital technical information by the listers.
 
 I regret it sounds like a fishing expedition, but it is for real.
 
 And I thank everyone here very much for the helpful guidance you have all
 already given me.  It has jumped started the work.
 
 And I thank also very much all who have responded to me off list.
 
 The hints and tips, heads-up, and experienced technical advice is
 invaluable.
 
 Thank you all very much.
 
 
 
 Once again thank you all very much as always. . .
 
 On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 3:12 PM, Kerneels de Wet 
 kerne...@absoftwareconsultants.com wrote:
 
  No disrespect but this looks a little like what the Fox channel dishes
  up for us on a daily basis:
 
  a) You post a message on IBMMAIN stating that you are starting a project
  but have no idea how to do it
  b) You use a nameless email account with a cellphone number listed as
  Poughkeepsie , NY
  c) The SHARE grease monkeys immediately respond with YOU are doing
 what ?
  You need to come talk to us 
  d) The Health Care BIG spender responds with My management wants to go
  the other way
 
  Note: If it smells like a duck, quacks like a duck, looks like a duck,
 and
  walks like a duck...it should be on the FOX channel
 
  Kerneels
 
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Re: It's feeding time in Jurassic Park . . .

Mark,

This one is real.

Management has no choice or they would not be doing it, the competition is
doing it.

It's an idea whose time has come.

Thank you very much also for your earlier technical advice.



On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 4:22 PM, Mark Pace pacemainl...@gmail.com wrote:

 Yeah and?

 A) - happens all the time.  management buys into a sales pitch and next
 thing you know your plowing new ground.
 B) - Yeah, so?
 C) - They are trying to find information just like everyone else.
 D) - ??

 I just don't the FOX channel reference.

 On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 3:12 PM, Kerneels de Wet 
 kerne...@absoftwareconsultants.com wrote:

  No disrespect but this looks a little like what the Fox channel dishes
  up for us on a daily basis:
 
  a) You post a message on IBMMAIN stating that you are starting a project
  but have no idea how to do it
  b) You use a nameless email account with a cellphone number listed as
  Poughkeepsie , NY
  c) The SHARE grease monkeys immediately respond with YOU are doing what
 ?
  You need to come talk to us 
  d) The Health Care BIG spender responds with My management wants to go
  the other way
 
  Note: If it smells like a duck, quacks like a duck, looks like a duck,
 and
  walks like a duck...it should be on the FOX channel
 
  Kerneels
 
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Re: It's feeding time in Jurassic Park . . .

Thomas,

This is very helpful.

When you say You can couple up to eight nodes, do you mean 8 CECs to a
zBx, that 8 CECs can share a zBx?

If so, does zManager serialize the I/O?

On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 4:18 PM, Tom Ambros thomas_amb...@keybank.comwrote:

 To be pedantic

 You have a zEnterprise node, which is a z196/z114 with zero or one
 attached zBX.   A zBX may have one to four frames.  You can couple up to
 eight nodes.  This comprises the domain of a single zManager.

 I suppose you could get clever and set up some sort of recovery and
 failover system for your blades within the scope of this zManager, but
 with little to no hands on experience with one of these things I am not
 totally sure how.  I am very confident that it can be done, however, I do
 believe that there are APIs at the customer's disposal.

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 I think the way it works is that you have a 'zEnterprise CEC' which is
 composed of a z114/z196 and optionally a zBX .

 The zBX is not standalone


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 I do not suppose there is any way of sharing a zBx between 2 CECs.

 On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Mark Post mp...@suse.com wrote:

   On 5/4/2012 at 02:55 PM, George Henke gahe...@gmail.com wrote:
   Do I need an Enterprise Class z114 box or will a Business Class one
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  There are no such things.  IBM marketing confusing things again.  A
  z114 could be considered the equivalent of a BC model and the z196 and
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Re: It's feeding time in Jurassic Park . . .

Thank you very much, Mark, for the very helpful info.

Right now, we are running RHEL and it looks like the Solaris migration will
be to that.  Does SLES have better support?


On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 2:57 PM, Mark Post mp...@suse.com wrote:

  On 5/4/2012 at 02:01 PM, George Henke gahe...@gmail.com wrote:
  I need to migrate 50 Solaris servers to zLinux under z/VM on a z114 and
  about the same number of Windows servers to zBx.
 
  Does anyone have experience with this, some ideas?

 Some.  If you've decided to use SLES on System z, then we might be able to
 provide some technical assistance.  Contact me off list if that is the case.

  Need a migration path.
 
  Some questions:
 
  Can z114 be upgraded to include zBx or must I upgrade to a z196 for that?
  Can zBx be SYSPLEXed between 2 CECs?
  If not, how do I eliminate the SPF, how do I do failover for the blade
  servers?

 If you have highly available applications running on Solaris, then you
 must be running some form of an HA cluster, or the applications themselves
 provide the HA.  In either case, HA clustering is available on Linux, or
 the applications themselves will still be providing it.

  How do I convert Solaris to zLInux under z/VM?  Solaris is not supported
 by
  zBx.

 The zBX has nothing to do with z/VM anyway.  You would be running the
 Linux systems on the System z itself, most likely on IFLs.  There is a
 version of OpenSolaris that runs on System z, and was approved by IBM for
 use on IFLs.  I'm only aware of one company that provides any support for
 it (they did all the porting work), and I'm not sure if the project
 survived the acquisition of Sun by Oracle.

  Must I recompile the applications running under Solaris to run them under
  zLinux?

 If they're written in a compiled language, then yes.  IBM has a source
 code analyzer for C that will warn you about any Solaris-specific usages in
 the source code.  The tool was developed specifically with the intent of
 helping customers migrate from Solaris to Linux.  If you can't find it via
 Google, let me know and I'll see if I can track it down.


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2012-05-04 Thread Kerneels de Wet

George,

Are you sure you are not working for the Fox channel because you just said:

a) you HAVE TO  do this project because your opposition is doing it
b) but based on your questions,  you are not sure how, what and when all this 
has to work together
c) and now, you are trying to tell us, we should all do it because of cost 
savings  and
d) you even want to tell us, what is happening in the market place... Server 
consolidation is the rage

Note: People on the Fox channel does this all day but they take money to do it 
and you are doing it because the opposition is doing it ?  Amazing stuff this..

Kerneels

John,

At IBM's z Summit Road Show they cite Bank of India and Bank of China and
numerous others with cost savings of 1/3 or more.

Server consolidation vis-a-vis virtualization is the rage these days.

And this one is real too.

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