Re: Mackeeper Info Thread
On Jan 23, 2012, at 1:07 PM, Dan wrote: Cap'n Bob McBurney wrote: What I want to do is have a reliable and stable updater for 3rd party software that Apple Software does not update. No such reliable beast. (see below). I want software that will fully uninstall software I no longer use. No such reliable beast. Debian GNU/Linux and and its derivatives (e.g. Ubuntu) have this feature. Apple is free to use dpkg and APT, but they opted not to on account of the GPL. (ObQuibble: To support said uninstalls, the developer must hack into those apps to see what's what. Unless they have permission from the app's author, that's illegal!). What do you mean by hack into, and how is it illegal? Could I have been sued because I used ResEdit to hack into the Finder and modify the Trash icons and change Empty Trash to Flush Toilet? Is using the 'strings' program illegal? Last I checked, reverse-engineering for the purpose of interoperability was fair use. I agree that no Mac application claiming to be a universal updater/uninstaller should be trusted, but its goal is certainly one of interoperability. Authors don't get automatic dictatorial control over everyone who comes into contact with their works. Josh P.S.: If you reply, consider changing the Subject field. -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Help! What to do with iMac Bondi G3 Tray Loading 233mhx cpu 256 mb ram
On Jan 14, 2012, at 7:16 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Jan 10, 2012, at 8:41 PM, Peter Haller wrote: Oh and it run OS 8.6 although I could upgrade it to one of the OS X, but I dont know if it would help. Thanks, please reply. Definitely get it up to 10.2 at least, this will eliminate a host of weird issues that could cause this in 8.6 On a machine with 256 MB of RAM? It's just not enough for OS X. Expect to spend a lot of time waiting while memory pages get juggled between RAM and disk. I'd try 9.2.2 first. Josh -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: System file not repaired???
On Dec 14, 2011, at 8:18 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: That said, I still don't run AV on any of my personal macs, haven't since the demise of the late, great Disinfectant. Which, not coincidentally, about the last time an actual Mac virus was widespread in the wild. http://www.autsys.com/sti/tech/ autostart9805.html Still have the MacAddict disk they shipped infected with that one... Is there any interest in resurrecting Disinfectant? It might be useful to have support for removing the AutoStart worm or the ability to run it in OS X. Josh -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: No cord at start up.
On Nov 3, 2011, at 10:30 PM, Tina K. wrote: On 2011/11/03 13:03, W.Adrian D'Alessio so eloquently wrote: No cord ? I think that was meant to be No chord. No card at startup might also be a serious issue if the critical electronics weren't integrated into the motherboard. On the other hand, no cordite at startup is a good thing, as it prevents bombs. Then there's no curd at startup... but I think I've already milked this for all it's worth. :-) Josh -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: g3 OS 9 - Default Desktop
On Oct 13, 2011, at 6:38 AM, Bob Archambault wrote: The other day, I picked up an old iMac G3 266 Grape. The seller of the machine showed me that it worked on premises, and particularly noted how the color of the desktop (Mac OS 9.2.2) matched the case color. He then proceeded to tell me that OS 9, upon installation, reads the codes of the computer (from ROM, I presume) and automatically sets the desktop to the matching color. NewWorld Macs use a Mac OS ROM file, but the parameter RAM (PRAM) could store a 'flavor' ID. Can anyone actually confirm this to be true? Or was this guy just BSing me? Someone made a hack that customized the colors of Jasik's Debugger based on which flavor Mac it was running on, so I'm pretty sure this is real, if poorly documented. However, it's possible that the behavior described only works with the Mac OS installer that shipped with the iMac/iBook, and that retail versions don't do this. Josh -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Credit Card Security Not Visible
On Oct 6, 2011, at 5:36 PM, Al Poulin wrote: Is there technology whereby vendors provide security on credit card checkout transactions with no https or padlock appearing on the browser window, whether Safari or Firefox? Would they be negotiating digital certificates behind the scenes with no visible evidence of that? Example is cell phone vendor TracFone. http://www.tracfone.com/ In answer to my query about their policy, TracFone claims they go to great lengths to implement technology and security features to safeguard the privacy of your customer identifiable information from unauthorized access or improper use…. I don't know about that, but they sure went to great lengths to avoid answering your question. I strongly recommend not submitting sensitive information over insecure HTTP, and avoiding doing business with those who require or expect you to do so. Josh -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Yet another fuse.net message error
On Jun 25, 2011, at 1:35 PM, Christopher Satterfield wrote: So, come back to find 201 e-mails from the system saying that the message was undeliverable to a fuse.net e-mail address. Out of the 201, 15 were from the system saying undeliverable. Sorry to anyone who has a fuse.net e-mail but I'm creating a filter to block any e- mails from fuse.net. I'm only blocking postmas...@fuse.net. Josh -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: You all have probably figured it out by now
On Jun 11, 2011, at 2:18 PM, Dennis Swaney wrote: Matt, I just marked it as spam. Bad idea, since the messages all contain posts that you wrote, and marking them as spam will reduce the accuracy of your filter. Just delete them. On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 1:45 PM, Matt Rhinesmith platni...@gmail.com wrote: I've gotten approximately 50... This is getting annoying. I got 60. :-P Josh -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: LEM nanny note: trim posts please
On Dec 13, 2010, at 9:19 AM, Steven wrote: On Dec 13, 2010, at 11:00 AM, Joshua Juran wrote: That's a result of Reply-To pointing to the list, which is inadvisable (for exactly this reason, i.e. accidentally sending private replies to the list) and (as of RFC 2822 (April 2001)) not standards-compliant. That's fine for something like the swap list, where almost all replies are sent off-list, but here 99.9% of the replies go to the list. I think in this case it makes a lot more sense to have the reply link point to the group rather than the individual. Reply link? Doesn't your webmail app have Reply All? Frankly, I don't care if the list server sets a field suggesting that replies go to the list or if your mail client honors that suggestion, as long as (a) the field isn't Reply-To, and (b) you don't let private mail intended for me be sent to the list and archived. Josh -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: LEM nanny note: trim posts please
On Dec 8, 2010, at 7:43 PM, Beverly Woods wrote: Sorry. Meant to send that offlist. That's a result of Reply-To pointing to the list, which is inadvisable (for exactly this reason, i.e. accidentally sending private replies to the list) and (as of RFC 2822 (April 2001)) not standards-compliant. Reply-To Munging Considered Harmful http://marc.merlins.org/netrants/reply-to-harmful.html “Reply-To” Munging Still Considered Harmful. Really. http://woozle.org/~neale/papers/reply-to-still-harmful.html Josh -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Moving an eMac from 10.2.8 to 10.4.11
On Nov 11, 2010, at 8:16 AM, Tina K. wrote: On 2010/11/10 18:42, Mystic Prowler so eloquently wrote: Tiger is a little dated, are you SURE you want to stick with tiger? If Apple still provided security updates to Tiger I'd go back in a heartbeat. But they don't. And soon enough they'll drop support for Leopard as well. What then? Josh -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Web Mail
On Nov 1, 2010, at 3:20 AM, Sven Aluoor wrote: On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 10:03 PM, Tina K. penguir...@gmail.com wrote: On 2010/10/31 14:59, Joshua Juran so eloquently wrote: Not everybody uses GMail, and not every GMail user uses the Web interface. I use GMail through an IMAP client. Seconded. Some people love gmail's web interface, I find it, and every web email interface I've tried, horrific. There's a reason mobile apps are so popular versus the equivalent Web apps: Given the limited bandwidth, processing power, and interface expressiveness, the inefficiency of Web apps that desktop users are able to afford becomes too expensive, and using the phone becomes annoying. But if native apps are so much better on the phone, why not use them on the desktop too? Additionally an POP/IMAP client is more privacy friendly and has no ads. It wouldn't even have occurred to me to cite lack of ads as a feature; it's something I take for granted. Other advantages of native mail clients are offline reading and composing, and not requiring a Web browser. Josh -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Web Mail
On Nov 1, 2010, at 11:43 AM, Dennis B. Swaney wrote: On 01/11/10 10:49PDT, Bruce Johnson arrogantly wrote: On Nov 1, 2010, at 7:44 AM, Dennis B. Swaney wrote: Not everybody uses GMail, and not every GMail user uses the Web interface. I use GMail through an IMAP client. My ISP has contracted with GMail to handle email. So it is available as normal mail (POP3 or IMAP). ANY Gmail account is available that way. I was just making a comment; no need to to be so AR. But you weren't just making a comment. You made a *false* comment, which (in my circles, at least) invites correction. Specifically, the word so above means that your ISP's contract is the cause of POP/ IMAP availability. Pointing out others' falsehoods is not arrogant; expecting that one's own errors are above correction is. And so is calling people arrogant for saying something you don't like. Josh P.S. Is AR supposed to mean arrogant? -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Mac OS X Lion 10.7 is no longer a rumor!
On Oct 29, 2010, at 9:19 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 2:42 AM, Joshua Juran jju...@gmail.com wrote: On Oct 29, 2010, at 3:09 PM, Mystic Prowler wrote: I understand that. I have no idea what you're replying to, since you didn't quote anything. Josh __ The prior post. Obviously, any reply refers to some prior post. I was referring to the *content* of the post. Gmail keeps posts in an easy to reference thread. And easy to delete when the thread runs out. ( or any time as needed) I'm familiar with GMail's Web interface. Not everybody uses GMail, and not every GMail user uses the Web interface. I use GMail through an IMAP client. Josh -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Mac OS X Lion 10.7 is no longer a rumor!
On Oct 30, 2010, at 9:41 PM, Malcolm O'Brien wrote: [Malcolm's original comment about the transition from OS 9 to OS X being a breeze for all users omitted in his reply] Oh, was it? Because that's not how I remember it. I knew someone would say that. What's that supposed to mean? You knew in advance someone would provide a counterexample, and you went ahead and said it anyway? If you're not inclined to say I stand corrected or the like you *do* have the option of just not replying. Josh -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Strange Glitch in Activity Monitor
On Oct 30, 2010, at 9:04 AM, Tina K. wrote: On 2010/10/29 23:14, krys weaver so eloquently wrote: it's calling home read my tag lines -- The only things that government “makes” are criminals out of innocent people, and corpses out of living human beings. - If the First Amendment fails, use the Second one. - *We're all Arizonans now. Sara**h Palin* -- *earth turns to gold in the hands of the wise* - Rum -- (The Life Buffet: take what you want, leave what you don't.) --- The two enemies of the people are criminals and government, so let us tie the second down with the chains of the Constitution so the second will not become the legalized version of the first. Thomas Jefferson - WARNING: Due to Presidential Executive Orders, the National Security Agency (NSA) may have read this email without warning, warrant, or notice. They may do this without any judicial or legislative oversight. You have no recourse, nor protection.. IF anyone other than the addressee of this e-mail is reading it, you are in violation of the 1st 4th Amendments to the Constitution of the United States. Yes, the NSA installed 16 million terrabytes of memory on Mystic Prowler's Mac so that it can call home. That has to be the cause. They're also reading your mind remotely through this email, so be sure to secure delete it after reading. Hey, you're going to need that much space if you're selling plutonium implosion triggers to jihadis in Sudan. Josh P.S. The oranges are ripe in Valencia. -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: New Mac platform
On Oct 29, 2010, at 11:47 AM, Dennis B. Swaney wrote: On 29/10/10 11:30PDT, Mystic Prowler wrote: I agree, but at the same time I suggest doing this: The Apple A4 chip should be standardized for all mobile platforms (except laptops), while Apple should go back to the PowerPC, but have a different name and a new generation, like the PowerPC G5 v2, or the PowerPC G6, or the Core G6... I love the PowerPC platform and will never give it up. I sorta refuse to buy an intel mac too. Unfortunately, Motorola jettisoned their chip division. It was going by the name Freescale but I haven't heard much recently. Also, at the same time, the older employees were terminated (I have a friend who was one of them) so who knows if the PPC could be updated. Maybe Apple should buy Freescale, produce the 68080, and use that for OS X. :-) It is Apple's A chips or AMD's chips that have the best bet of supplanting Intel in Macs. On a more serious note, why is replacing Intel chips important? Josh -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Mac OS X Lion 10.7 is no longer a rumor!
On Oct 28, 2010, at 9:08 PM, Steven wrote: On Oct 28, 2010, at 6:16 PM, Mystic Prowler wrote: The iMac G5 is perfectly useful... but no new version of Mac OS X supports it anymore. It is a powerful, 64-bit computer that will last until 128-bit computers start peeking through the markets I'm not going to defend the way Apple has gone from extremely long product support to extremely short over the past few years, but your logic isn't quite right. The 1984 Macintosh was technically a 32 bit computer, and while I would love to have one for my collection, it is in no way useful for 90% of the things you could do with the newest 32 bit computers (except, of course, word processing, where the lack of internet and multimedia capabilities give it a huge advantage). The G5 series is still a very useful line of machines, but they are getting older, and just because they are 64 bit doesn't mean they will never be obsolete. Secondly, according to what I understand about 8/16/32/64/128 bit computing technologies, there won't be 128 bit home computers for a very very long time, since they don't offer much improvement over 64 bit for most purposes. Also, you can clearly see the trend in the history of home computing: 8 bit was common in the late 1970s before it was replaced by 16 bit PC compatibles in the early 1980s, then 32 bit became common in the late 1980s and early 1990s, and it wasn't until the past few years that 64 bit became really common. based on that, 128 bit home computers probably won't show up for another 20 or 30 years. Of course, lately companies have been jumping at any chance to purposely obsolete a device or technology, so I could be wrong. That's why I'm not going to bother with 128-bit computers. I'll just wait until 256-bit comes out. Josh -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Mac OS X Lion 10.7 is no longer a rumor!
On Oct 29, 2010, at 3:09 PM, Mystic Prowler wrote: I understand that. I have no idea what you're replying to, since you didn't quote anything. Josh -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: iMac noise
On Oct 28, 2010, at 2:29 PM, Mystic Prowler wrote: The PowerPC 970-970fx CPU is inefficient COMPARED to today's processors, but this processor even today provides effective computing power. Don't forget, this processor has different instruction sets and architecture code than the intel processors, so different things may result in different reactions. Maybe it's just the G5 working overtime to beat today's intel processors. The iMac G5 will always be the fastest, to me. The PowerPC 970-970fx processors, although despite their heat, are still by far my most favorite processors of all time. My favorite is the 68000 series, but that doesn't mean it's faster. Knowing what you like is a virtue, but insisting it's better (against evidence to the contrary) is not a tenable position. Josh -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Best System monitor
On Oct 8, 2010, at 11:27 AM, Jonathan wrote: As a Systems Engineer, I kinda have to call things by their name, dodads or thingamy wont cut it in the industry lol! Perhaps such haphazard namings could be called 'neologisms'. :-) My colleague seems to think that now my main computer is a mac, I should know it inside out in 2 months. Not a chance. Prior experience with Unix, Mac OS, and/or NeXTStep are all helpful. On 8 Oct, 18:59, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: On Oct 8, 2010, at 8:44 AM, Jonathan wrote: I think 'system monitor' is a fairly acceptable term for a erm... system monitor, lol! Only if you're a *nix geek, mainly, which this list is NOT full of... Hey, I think it's sad too, but there's no need to hold it against anyone. ;-) I use `top -s 15`, or -s 30 on my laptop, which might help extend battery life if I weren't running emulators and bloated Web browsers. Josh -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Wondering about issues with this particular iMac
On Sep 26, 2010, at 5:45 PM, Jack Suggs wrote: If there was a Like button for all the above, I'd click it. I have no idea what you're referring to, since you didn't quote anything above. Josh -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Wondering about issues with this particular iMac
On Sep 26, 2010, at 1:23 PM, Steven wrote: I only used the term imaginary as a sort of insult to digital files. Yes, they may technically exist, but only in the same way that a song on the radio exists, not in an immediately available physical form (I can't very well remove my hard disk and play it in a CD player). This is a red herring, unless you actually plan to spin records yourself and drop a pine needle + styrofoam cup into the groove. In real life, you're using an electronic playing machine, and if it breaks, then your music too is imaginary until you fix or replace it, so you're no better off than with CDs. On the contrary: CDs are smaller, hold more content at higher resolution, can automatically seek to track boundaries (or arbitrary locations), can pause reliably, may contain additional non-audio content, are more durable, and can be losslessly copied, either disc-to-disc or via rip and burn (if you avoid lossy compression like MP3, of course). There is a big difference between analog and digital technologies. Both vinyl records and compact disc do use plastic circles with information stored on the surface, but analog information doesn't need to be decoded like digital does. The very minimum you need to play back a CD is a CD player, with complex mechanics and computer chips, while you can play a record with nothing more than a paper cone and a spinning surface that can be moved by hand. Sure, it won't sound nearly as good as playing the record on a stereo, but you can still retrieve the data with almost no technology whatsoever. This is because the scratches on the disc are an imprint of the actual sound wave, and while they may be recorded and read electrically (or in the case of some releases since the 1970s, even mastered digitally), the only real process that goes into recording and playing most records is electrical amplification and manipulation. With a CD or any other digital recording, you only get complex instructions on how to reproduce the file. Perhaps the simplest way to examine the differences would be to compare the most primitive versions of analog and digital recordings, player piano rolls and wax cylinders. The wax cylinder can reproduce the sound of a full orchestra with nothing more than a motor, lathe, needle, and horn, while the piano roll needs an actual piano and is incapable of performing other voices or even simple stylistic accents like volume and intensity. Both technologies have come a very long way, but there still remains the fact that an analog recording contains an imprint of an actual sound wave while digital recordings are instructions that tell the computer how to go about reconstructing the sound. Audio CD contents are data, not instructions. The data are just as much a waveform as are the scratches on a vinyl record or wax cylinder. By the way, have you actually *heard* a wax cylinder? Listen to this 1910 recording of the Major General's song by C. H. Workman, or the 1888 recording of Sir Arthur Sullivan addressing Thomas Edison. The song is enjoyable despite the heavy scratching distortion, but perhaps more as a historical record than for its entertainment value -- in the same way that you might place an ancient pot on display in a museum for viewers to appreciate, though you're not going to cook in it. The speech however, is barely discernible and considerably less pleasant to listen to. Maybe encoding the sound wave directly onto a physical medium is not the best way to go. Or maybe it just deteriorates over time, which would be another great reason to avoid it. http://www.metamage.com/savoyard/ Now rather than actually trying to compose a shot and take one good picture, people have become accustomed to pointing the camera in the general direction and clicking the shutter as many times as it takes before they accidentally get a good picture. Computer-assisted photography is related to but distinct from the issue of analog vs. digital storage. Storage can be another problem, because while physical photos do take up room, digital pictures take up a lot of storage as well, and a shoebox is quite a bit cheaper than a new hard drive. One hard drive (which I needed anyway to use the computer at all) is enough to store every photo I've ever taken at a resolution appropriate to the camera I used. One hard drive is smaller than many shoeboxes. In the end, most people switch to digital and never look back or care about the problems, but I want a physical master and total control of the picture, so I'm sticking with film until no one makes it anymore. I'd rather have the ability to make lossless backups of my photos than be stuck with having to guard the unique master copy. Josh -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The
Re: Wondering about issues with this particular iMac
On Sep 26, 2010, at 2:23 PM, Tina K. wrote: The issue I have with digital files is that regardless of the media you store them on, be it a HDD or flash drive, both of which are subject to magnetic damage; or writable optical media, which seem to degrade simply by existing; they are subject to deterioration over time. A bit gets flipped here and there eventually resulting in discernible damage to the file. Enough bits get flipped and the file becomes useless. It's too bad MO (magneto-optical) drives didn't take off. Unfortunately, Zip and Jaz were more popular in the US. But regardless of medium, the solution is to keep multiple copies. In nine years of computing I've had several files, mostly text and image files, that have mysteriously become unreadable. Given time it's likely that I will encounter a video file that has become corrupt and is no longer usable. If I originally purchased the data on a pressed, not burned, optical disk I can make another copy. If I purchased the data as a download then I have to hope that the vendor will let me re-download it. However I don't trust the vendors to do what I consider to be the right thing and pass on a perceived opportunity to make additional profit. As well you shouldn't. I suggest avoiding all forms of DRM (that haven't been cracked) to whatever extent possible. That is why I prefer pressed CDs and DVDs. Yes they are subject to damage but they don't spontaneously degrade, at least they shouldn't in my lifetime. I originally avoided the iTunes store due to DRM. After that ceased to be an issue, I realized I'd rather pay extra for full CD quality. Sorry Steve (Jobs), I think you are wrong. For many, it will be good enough. Josh -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: ITunes 10
On Sep 27, 2010, at 7:02 AM, Dennis B. Swaney wrote: What everyone seems to be missing is the fact that the iTunes 10 UI VIOLATES Apple's own guidelines in that ALL applications have to present the same UI as the Mac OS. What you seem to be missing is that Apple has been doing this for decades, so it's hardly shocking news these days. Josh -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Wondering about issues with this particular iMac
On Sep 27, 2010, at 7:43 AM, Malcolm O'Brien wrote: I'd rather have the ability to make lossless backups of my photos They likely come out of the camera lossy (jpg). That only happens once. There's no *generational* loss as with analog copies. Josh -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: ITunes 10
On Sep 27, 2010, at 8:09 AM, Tina K. wrote: On 2010/09/27 02:00, Joshua Juran wrote: I originally objected to the traffic light colors because the functions in question have nothing to do with traffic signals I can see a correlation. Green = Go (big, continue working in the window) Yellow = Pause (minimize, continue working in the window later) Red = Stop (close, no further work in that window) But then I have my own way of seeing things. If I was required to invent a rationalization I might use that one. But in actuality, red is a temporary condition until the light turns green, at which point you leave the signalled area and that traffic light is no longer part of your environment. With Apple's widgets, green just moves and resizes the window, whereas red removes it from your environment. Also, there's only two possible actions: stop and go. Yellow/amber is just a warning that red is approaching -- you're still going to stop or go, though now it's your call. Another point is that the title bar widgets are controls, whereas the traffic lights are signals. Controls are the (GUI) means by which you pass instructions to the computer; traffic signals give *you* instructions. I agree that the colors are aesthetically pleasing, but they don't function similarly to the traffic light on which they're presumably based. Josh -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Leopard?
On Sep 26, 2010, at 6:18 PM, Midnight rider wrote: Not to be a snitch or anything but i am pretty sure you aren't allowed to use rich text like those Apple logos and the Apple buttons. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed No rich text here. Mac OS has supported Unicode since 8.5. Josh -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Wondering about issues with this particular iMac
On Sep 25, 2010, at 10:34 AM, Ashgrove wrote: This is the first generation Core 2 Duo iMac. I have the 17 model. They are great machines. They are prone to display/video card problems, which apparently has been silently acknowledged by Apple, since mine broke last year and was repaired for free by them (that was before I got it but the previous owner gave me the paperwork). That said, it's anyway a great machine, it's at a great price, and chances are it'll never give you a headache. So I'd say go for it. I have a late 2006 24-inch iMac (white, Core 2 Duo). The graphics card was glitching, and I had it replaced under AppleCare. The new card exhibits similar glitches when Quartz is under heavy stress (so far, only when I hit trigger Exposé by accident). The hard drive died shortly after AppleCare ended, and the optical drive died some time after that. It seems Apple uses shoddy components to lower the up-front cost, while raising the total cost of ownership. Should I pay the Apple Store to replace the dead optical drive with the same model, pay a third party to install a better device, buy an external DVD drive (that doesn't require opening the iMac), or just punt the whole issue and watch films on my 15-inch MacBook Pro? Josh -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Second-party* system extensions
[Cross-posting to macos9] On Sep 24, 2010, at 4:05 PM, Walter Sheluk wrote: On 10-09-24 2:31 PM, Joshua Juran wrote: I write my own OS 9 extensions. such as ? and to do what ? The most useful so far is Josh's Keys. It enables Shift-, Option-, and Command- modifiers on text input in dialogs and the Finder (and any other users of the system-provided text editing routines, called TextEdit, not to be confused with TextEdit.app). It also understands Forward Delete, and Option-modified delete in both directions. Another is TESyncScrap. Typical non-Carbon apps synchronize the system clipboard with the TextEdit clipboard when you switch layers, i.e. bring another app forward. If in between copying text and switching layers the app crashes, or quits without synchronizing, or you're running it in an emulator and you try to paste in another app in the host OS, you'll get stale data. A similar issue pertains to pasting into the emulator. TESyncScrap synchronizes the clipboard just after Cut/Copy and just before Paste (like Carbon apps do), avoiding these issues. Other hacks include one that moves the Quit menu item from the File menu to the application menu (as in OS X), a proof-of-concept Services menu, and TECalc, which replaces the text selection (e.g. 3 + 4) with the result of evaluating it (i.e 7) when you hit = on the keypad. Josh * First party is the vendor, second parties are the users, and third parties are any supplier who isn't you or the vendor. -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: ITunes 10
On Sep 25, 2010, at 2:13 PM, Tina K. wrote: On 2010/09/24 08:11, Walter Sheluk wrote: Excellent suggestion: could you please give the url for the download: i can't find it at apple. Tanks. iTunes 9.2.1 DL: http://appldnld.apple.com/iTunes9/061-8725.20100722.Bhnyt/iTunes9.2.1.dmg 'Downgrade' instructions: http://appletoolbox.com/2010/09/how-to-downgrade-itunes-10-to-itunes-9-2-1/ Recreate iTunes Library file: http://appldnld.apple.com/iTunes9/061-8725.20100722.Bhnyt/iTunes9.2.1.dmg The last link duplicates the first. Josh -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Wondering about issues with this particular iMac
On Sep 25, 2010, at 8:24 PM, Steven wrote: I'm considering getting a Blu-Ray drive when I finally get fed up with my SuperDrive and can afford to do something about it. The cheapest route would of course be an external DVD drive, but when I took my PowerBook G4 in for some repairs they said that they charge a standard price for repairs regardless of parts, something like $250-300 (which was a big plus at the time since I needed to replace a logic board that can cost $500+ from third parties), and I have seen some BD-ROM/DVD-RW/CD-RW drives compatible with Mac for around that price. If I were going to pay that much anyways I would want increased functionality, and, being the cinephile I am, eventually I will need to start upgrading my collection of post-2000 DVDs to Blu- Ray (all films made before 2000 I only buy and watch on LaserDisc) and since I don't have an HDTV and don't plan on buying one in the near future the Mac would be the only way to watch HD. My reasoning is that although I don't have any problem with the video quality of DVD and I don't even have a TV that could make use of the increased definition, eventually Blu-Ray will eclipse DVD just like DVD eclipsed VHS, and it would be more cost effective to switch sooner and start buying movies on Blu-Ray so I have fewer DVDs to replace later on. But I'm not planning on doing that very soon, and for people who don't have a large number of videos and don't care about HD that solution wouldn't make much sense. Good idea. DVDs have noticeably chunky pixels on a 24-inch screen, which is just large enough (1920x1200) for Blu-ray's 1080p[1]. And external is a good idea so I can use it on any machine -- such as a new iMac, were I to buy one. The only problem is the iMac is running Tiger, for which VLC (at least) has dropped support. Perhaps it's time to install a newer OS X. [2] And yeah, I have no interest in buying a TV. Josh [1] Assuming a 16:9 aspect ratio, this means a width of 1920 pixels. [2] I hesitate to say 'upgrade', since I consider differently code- named OS X versions to be separate and incompatible products. Hence 'newer'. -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Leopard?
On Sep 24, 2010, at 9:30 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Sep 23, 2010, at 10:25 PM, Walter Sheluk wrote: On Sep 23, 9:28 pm, Midnight ridercoolmar...@gmail.com wrote: Is there any system app i can download that i can use to change the system theme in Mac OS X? Unsanity haxies have ShapeShifter but will not work reliably in SnowLeopard. Unsanity haxies will not work reliably There, fixed that for yah. :-) I've had more hassles with Unsanity stuff than I care to think about. I switched to OS X BECAUSE OS9 Extensions Hell was driving me insane. I write my own OS 9 extensions. :-) Josh -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Leopard?
On Sep 23, 2010, at 3:46 PM, Ashgrove wrote: On Sep 23, 6:27 pm, Joshua Juran jju...@gmail.com wrote: I don't want a space for each app; I want a space for each *project*. You need a different user per project. With fast switching on, that should work for you. Um, no. First of all, dialup connections are per-user, not system- wide, so if you switch users the connection drops. My current phone allows tethering over Bluetooth by providing a modem interface, so on the road I'd have to configure it for each user and reconnect on every switch. Oh, and the phone side is a bit flaky so I have to reboot the phone in between connections. This is a dealbreaker. But even assuming wired use only, switching users still breaks network connections, like chat and IRC. And now I'm paying to run two copies of all the apps. My MacBook Pro's 4 GB isn't enough for that, and my iMac's 2 GB surely isn't. Plus, having to enter a password on each switch? What if I need to copy and paste between projects? Sorry, but this is totally wrong. Another issue is that the current application is a global state, not a property of the current space. If I switch from space Foo to space Bar and back, I expect the same application to be current, but that's not how Spaces works. I am not sure what you mean. You can assign apps to specific spaces, though, and some to open in all spaces. It takes some trial and error, but it works great one you have it fine-tuned. (1) Go to a space with windows for apps A and B and activate app A. (2) Switch to a space with windows for app B but not app A. App B activates (assuming it owns the front window). (3) Switch back to the other space. App B remains frontmost. (When app B is the Finder, this happens even if the second screen has no windows at all.) See, 'current application' is a system-global property. I want it to be maintained per-space. You might find John Siracusa's article on the 'Spatial Finder' illuminating: About the Finder... By John Siracusa http://arstechnica.com/apple/reviews/2003/04/finder.ars Speaking of which, can't I at least name my spaces to help me remember how I'm using them? Hyperspaces. It's a paid app, but it does what you need. Hmmm, that might be a worthwhile add-on. Josh -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Leopard?
On Sep 23, 2010, at 5:25 PM, Ashgrove wrote: On Sep 23, 7:34 pm, Joshua Juran jju...@gmail.com wrote: Um, no. First of all, dialup connections are per-user, not system- wide, so if you switch users the connection drops. My current phone allows tethering over Bluetooth by providing a modem interface, so on the road I'd have to configure it for each user and reconnect on every switch. Oh, and the phone side is a bit flaky so I have to reboot the phone in between connections. This is a dealbreaker. I have been fortunate enough to have DLS for years now, so I am not familiar with that issue. Sobering, though, the fact that almost in the second decade of the 21st century, and in the country with the greatest economy in the world, communications technologies are still lagging behind in many places. LEM columnist Charles Moore just got broadband in Nova Scotia, and it's still flaky. so *on the road* I'd have to configure it for each user... Emphasis added. I have pretty good cable Internet at home. But occasionally I use my laptop away from home and outside of a wireless hotspot. (1) Go to a space with windows for apps A and B and activate app A. (2) Switch to a space with windows for app B but not app A. App B activates (assuming it owns the front window). (3) Switch back to the other space. App B remains frontmost. (When app B is the Finder, this happens even if the second screen has no windows at all.) See, 'current application' is a system-global property. I want it to be maintained per-space. I finally see what you mean. But if you assign several apps to different spaces and keep them open, that's a moot point. To switch spaces, I just click on the app icon in my Dock, and that simultaneously takes me to its space and makes that application the current one. Two birds with one stone. That would be great if my workflow divided neatly into separate applications. Sure, I have a space for chat and a space for mail, and those apps are assigned to those spaces. But each of them is also littered with Web windows from clicking on links (or because I searched for something relevant to a conversation). And most of my spaces have a Terminal window so I can quickly do Web searches. (Yes, clicking the Terminal window and typing 'goTABspatial finder' is faster than sending the query through the Web browser UI, even if Google is your home page. The Tab keystroke completes the command 'google', which is a Perl script that constructs the search query URL and calls open(1) to load it in a Web browser. Other commands include 'lucky', 'image', and 'wp' (Wikipedia).) Josh -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Leopard?
On Sep 23, 2010, at 6:28 PM, Ashgrove wrote: On Sep 23, 8:45 pm, Joshua Juran jju...@gmail.com wrote: That would be great if my workflow divided neatly into separate applications. Sure, I have a space for chat and a space for mail, and those apps are assigned to those spaces. But each of them is also littered with Web windows from clicking on links (or because I searched for something relevant to a conversation). And most of my spaces have a Terminal window so I can quickly do Web searches. Your workflow is a complicated affair (to put it mildly), so I guess Yeah, well I prefer to shape my computing environment to the way I think rather than vice versa. The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw (My apologies for the gender-loaded language.) you would need to write a particularly versatile utility to help you with it, or a completely different operating system. You seem more Indeed. I'm currently working on a cross-platform, scriptable GUI toolkit. It allows you to create things like scrolling documents or an OK/Cancel dialog box -- in a shell script. than capable to do both, so any advice I can give you is severely limited by my layman status. (I shudder to think of what one could see on your computer screen using Exposé.) So do I. I try to avoid hitting F9 on my iMac -- more often than not the GPU chokes and I have to put the machine to sleep before the graphics will draw correctly again. However, you could do some workarounds, like assigning different browsers to different Spaces, and making Terminal available in all spaces. Another possibility: make your browser available in all Spaces, and minimize windows to the Dock before switching spaces. Ooh, don't get me started on the Dock. :-) Thanks for your suggestions, though. Josh -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Leopard?
On Sep 23, 2010, at 10:08 PM, Steven wrote: Exposé is much more powerful than you think. Exposé is fine, but sometimes either Quartz or the GPU blows up. 90 text files is nothing compared to 112 QuickTime movies (and that's on a three year old iMac with just a gig of ram): Don't be so sure. At the compositor level, I suspect only the size of the pixel data matters. Bit depth is fixed at 32, so it's down to the window bounds. Text windows are generally full-page size, maybe three or four times the size of a YouTube video. You should go ahead and try Exposé with all those windows open, I just hit F9, and it took 7 seconds before the clock resumed. though just to be safe you should probably try it when you have saved everything and finished for the day (if my computer crashes while I am playing with QuickTime I can just restart it. When you are doing real work, however, you can't take any chances). The worst I've seen was teh GPU asplode, fixed after wake from sleep. Josh -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: considering a used iMac
On Sep 21, 2010, at 10:43 PM, Ashgrove wrote: On Sep 21, 11:22 pm, Bill Chapman pagew...@interlog.com wrote: Good idea for another reality show. You guys should post those numbers on PCWorld... and watch the Mac-bashers have a field day. Any topic with the word 'Apple' in it draws PC fanboiz and Fandroids like bees to honey. Bill, I just LOVE it! That's pure genius. Imagine THAT. The funny thing is, the joke is really on them. Show me one PC that old that's still standing and that is worth ANY money at all... ;-) ... and it's probably running Linux. :-) Josh -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Leopard?
On Sep 22, 2010, at 2:40 PM, Midnight rider wrote: Well, i can understand your point of view, because i used to be like that when Leo first came out. After a while i liked the transparent menu bar. Although I did like the tiger theme the best since it looked all brushed metal-ish. The UI elements should be pleasant-looking so that they *don't* draw the user's attention. Josh -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Leopard?
On Sep 22, 2010, at 4:47 PM, Steven wrote: I thought I liked the brushed metal better when Leopard came out, but now when I use Tiger the Finder, iTunes, and Safari all look pretty outdated compared to the sleek look of Leopard and Snow Leopard. And while I do like the translucent menu bar of Leopard and Snow Leopard, I always use a utility called Displaperture to add the rounded corners to the top, and my favorite OS X menu bar might have to be the glossy blue and white design of the original pre- release version of Tiger. I've always liked Apple Platinum (and the System 7 appearance before it), but I can understand why Apple couldn't use it for OS X -- the stripes in the window title bar don't mix with live window dragging and flat-panel displays. You can see the noise in System 7 window title bars if you look for it, but the flickering in Platinum is just garish. (Hint: Drag an emulator window or screenshot to simulate the effect.) My favorite OS X appearance is iTunes 9. It's a beautiful-looking app -- too bad its usability doesn't meet the same standard. Leopard largely adopted the iTunes 9 appearance but kept the Aqua scroll bars (which are ostentatious in comparison). Josh -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Leopard?
On Sep 22, 2010, at 7:25 PM, Steven wrote: (unless it is just an optical illusion, I'm pretty sure the menu bar and window title bars are much larger in OS X. A 1024x768 screen in OS 9 feels like it has the same amount of room as a 1280x960 screen in OS X). It's no illusion. My first OS X installation was Panther on my clamshell iBook with a twelve-inch screen at 800x600. After running OS X, OS 9 felt not only snappy but *spacious*. Some of the GUI modifications I have seen for OS X do a very good job of modernizing the Platinum theme, with smooth, 3D style gradients and even a Panther-style glossy transparent rainbow Apple logo. After a long time of trying out these various patches, however, I finally gave up, because there aren't really any that fully recreate the look. When I became a Mac owner (circa System 6), I believed that more INITs equaled more awesome. During my Mac OS 8.1 days I bought Conflict Catcher, and on OS 9 I've simply been picky about what goes in my System Folder. I haven't used any OS X hacks at all since I'm practically paranoid about stability. It may just be that I started with Mac OS X in 2004 and never got to use the older operating systems when they were new, but there is a certain charm to the sharp, clean look of Platinum. System 7 was an extremely tasteful color upgrade to the original black- and-white Macintosh appearance -- in contrast to pretty much every other color windowing system out there -- (Windows 3.1 shipped with a dozen alternate coloring schemes that all looked worse than the default) -- I like it for being simple but not austere. Platinum trades some of that simplicity for a more sophisticated look. It's not just a case of 'looks nicer than it is' -- I enjoyed it at the time and had no interest in switching to Aqua. I also got to use NeXTStep on the original 68K black hardware, and that was pretty elegant too. And also, though apparently many people hated them, I really love the operating system sounds of OS 8 and OS 9. I don't know about usability, but they're certainly entertaining. I just turned them on for my G4 iMac, and it reminds me a bit of Deckard's photo enhancing device in Blade Runner. Or maybe a parrot imitating that. :-) After using one of my old laptops for a while, using Snow Leopard seems startlingly quiet, Well, you can a few sounds in the Finder (e.g. copying items, emptying the trash). though there is no way that system sounds could have been transferred to Aqua; all the system sounds would be drips and splashes, I still get a chuckle out of seeing NeXTStep and System 7 sounds in the same list. Josh -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Leopard?
On Sep 22, 2010, at 8:18 PM, Midnight rider wrote:
I have been using Macs since the OS 7.5.5 days, and ever since, i
can't stop exploring this ever expanding realm of macs. I have since
grown my collection to 16 Macs, most of them G4 machines and most of
them bought in this year. I do miss the old days when System 7 was
the flagship, so I keep my Power Mac 6100 downstairs along with some
other macs that run OS 7.6, some run OS 7.5.3, others run tiger or
OS 9.1. I use mostly Leopard machines nowadays, but i do keep one
System 7 machine in reach just in case i need to take a trip down
memory lane. I never messed around with NeXTstep too much back in
those days, i stuck with Mac OS and Systems until I ran into
Rhapsody. I installed it on my Power Mac G3 Gossamer, and was
surprised that what used to be NeXTstep all looks like mac os
platinum That was the first time i ever thought that this would
be the base for Mac OS 9.0 or OS 10.
NeXTstep was bought out by Apple in the late OS 6 days... if i am
correct. If Apple was already undergoing plans for OS X in those
days, can imagine Apple making plans already for Mac OS XI 11.0 or
Mac OS 11.
The acquisition of Apple by NeXT occurred in 1997, for the price of
roughly negative $400 million.
or maybe even better,
System 11.
Apple's 'next-generation' operating system was originally supposed to
be Mac OS 8, code-name 'Copland', followed by Mac OS 9 ('Gershwin').
Copland wasn't working out, so they bought NeXT and in the meantime
rebranded Mac OS 7.7 ('Tempo') as Mac OS 8 shipped it with the
Appearance Manager from Copland.
The name 'Rhapsody' is quite possibly a pun. The Classic environment
in developer-speak was called the Blue box (as 'Blue' was the code
name for System 7 and refers to that system through OS 9). The
specific version of Blue that the box would run was OS 9, so you had
Gershwin's Blue in Rhapsody.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhapsody_in_Blue
Josh
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OS X on iMac G3 (Re: Several G3 iMac DV 400 MHz questions)
On Sep 8, 2010, at 3:01 AM, Walter Sheluk wrote: Excuse me for dropping into this discussion. In general, please start a new thread for a new question (e.g. by using New Message in Apple Mail) instead of replying. I have a iMac G3 that has OS 9.2.2 installed by the guy that sold this blue bean. It is my understanding that i can install OS X on top, right ? OS X 10.3 Panther, sure. Maybe 10.4 Tiger. Definitely not 10.5 Leopard or 10.6 Snow Leopard. However, the said iMac G3's optical drive can only read CD's not DVD's. It rudely spits out the DVD with no explanation. How rude is that? It beats crashing. Don't try plugging in a modern iPod. And also the iMac G3 hard drive is only 10 GB. Don't bother. What kind of hardware you need depends of course on what you intend to do with it, but even so, what you have is really not suitable for running OS X in any scenario. What now ? Run OS 9 or get a newer machine? For OS X, I suggest getting a Mac with at least an Intel processor. Beyond this it would help to know what you're seeking to do with it. Josh -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: Several G3 iMac DV 400 MHz questions
On Sep 11, 2010, at 8:11 AM, Dennis B. Swaney wrote: On 11/09/10 02:12PDT, gifutiger wrote: Any PPC that is not HEADLESS and has a keyboard attached will startup from any drive as long as it has a valid operating system installed. What does that mean? I've never heard that term in the 26 years I've had computers. 'Headless' means not having a display. Josh -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
Re: How do you know if there is a virus in your mac and how to treat it ? Please help !
On Sep 8, 2010, at 11:24 AM, Ashgrove wrote: On Sep 8, 2:09 pm, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: I keep getting told by authoritative folks in the IT industry that there will be a flood of OS X malware any day now; I've been hearing that for ten years. Note that classic Mac OS users should (a) install the Disinfectant INIT, (b) disable auto-start in the QuickTime control panel, and (c) find some way to avoid the spread of Word macro viruses (such as not running versions of Word later than 5.1). Fortunately, these are all free. Amen to that. As a late switcher, it took me nearly a year to finally get rid of ClamXav, and a full three years till I finally tuned out all those apocalyptic pundits. Now, if I could stop people from sneezing on my Macs... Isn't there an app for that? ;-) Josh -- You received this message because you are a member of the iMac Group, a group for those using Apple iMacs and eMacs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/imac/list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to imaclist@googlegroups.com To leave this group, send email to imaclist+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/imaclist
