KR> Re: KRnet Digest, Vol 353, Issue 257

[Ron Eason]

Mark L.
Can you please give me a call when you have a minute.

Best,
Ron Eason JR.
B+L Surgical Equipment Specialist
816-806-0911

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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 19:32:38 +1200
> From: "Vaughan Thomas" <v...@xtra.co.nz>
> Subject: Re: KR> Gathering
> To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
> Message-ID: <C0BB37A9380844688E8307B756A0E752@your8abc512da0>
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> 
> just reading about the extended take off & landing distances as compared to 
> the claims made on the original sales blurb, how do the Corvair powered KR's 
> compare?
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Mark Langford" <m...@n56ml.com>
> To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 9:49 AM
> Subject: Re: KR> Gathering
> 
> 
> Yep, another great Gathering.  Joe, Mark Jones, Brad Stone, and I all left
> the Gathering yesterday to beat a weather system that will likely continue
> to dump rain on MVN through today and some of tonight..  It turns out I
> could have waited until early this morning and still made it fine, but that
> wasn't the recommendation of the weather briefer I talked to yesterday
> afternoon.  Sorry we missed the banquet.
> 
> I noticed yesterday there are some folks in attendance who didn't do much
> mingling or talking, just stayed on the periphery at a distance.  At the
> same time, the pilots and some of the "in" crowd spent a lot of time
> standing around joking and carrying on with each other, and I'm as guilty as
> anybody.  On the flight back, it occurred to me that next year we should try
> to be better about mixing it up with folks who we don't recognize, and even
> some we recognize but don't know their names, what they're building, or what
> we can do  to help them get their KRs in the air.  That's one of the main
> reasons we hold the Gathering, right?
> 
> I talked to Joe last night and he mentioned that we really should do more to
> promote the Gathering, such as publish it in Sport Aviation and other
> magazines and internet sites and lists, as well as  local airport flyers,
> etc, with sufficient advance notice to let builders and pilots plan on
> attending.  Mark Jones remarked at breakfast yesterday that next year was
> the fortieth anniversary of the KR, and we should strive for 40 KRs to fly
> in.  There are a lot of KR builders and pilots out there somewhere... we
> need to find them and talk them into showing up next year.
> 
> I was not surprised to hear that MVN was voted to host the Gathering again
> next year, and you have to admit it's difficult to imagine a place that's
> better set up to host it.  Thanks again to Larry Flesner for doing a lot of
> the legwork, and Chris Collins providing the airport facilities and
> continuous support as well.
> 
> Mark Langford
> ML at N56ML.com
> website at http://www.N56ML.com
>  
> 
> 
> ___
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KR> Thanks

[Ron Eason]

This comments can not be stated any better. 
Thank you all, for serving and protecting us all, for or against. 
Americans do not take war lightly.
The only option [ever] is win.

KRron 
P.S. Hope to see you at the gathering.


- Original Message - 
From: "pole shed" 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: KR> Thanks 


>I was priviledged to serve with the Marines for 27
> years. I am a Nam vet, and my son lost his eye in Iraq
> last year. We both know several Marines who gave the
> ultimate sacrifice.  After you face death and escape,
> the rest is rather paltry and tame by comparason. I am
> a combat vet, but I still feel like I owe these young
> professionals a lot of respect.
> 
> Larry Lipe, MSgt, USMC (Ret)
> Carbondale, IL
> 75 miles from the gathering...
> 
> 
> --- Ray Fuenzalida  wrote:
> 
> 
>> That kind of almost casual bravery is
>> incomprehensible
>> to most of us.  It is amazing the way this young man
>> changed throughout that time from a large boy to a
>> full fledged Marine.  When we think of professional
>> soldiers we always think of grown men and women.  In
>> reality they are mostly kids.  If anything we should
>> be even prouder of them.
>> 
>> Ray
>> New Orleans

KR> Procedure to cover glass cloth on foam.

[Ron Eason]

Make a test piece with the material you have.

KRRon
- Original Message - 
From: "Steve Jacobs" 
To: "'KRnet'" 
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 12:10 AM
Subject: RE: KR> Procedure to cover glass cloth on foam.


> Please correct me if you have experienced different
> 
> +++
> 
> Stand corrected - very effective peel ply (synthetic material) is
> available from the drapery store at a fraction the cost and I doubt that
> any release agent is involved.
> 
> I wish I could be more specific, but my wife found it and she is not
> sure what the technical name is.  She did mention dress lining and other
> similar things.  I got two 80m rolls while the going was good so it has
> been a while.
> 
> It resembles a 3 ounce regular weave cloth, but acts like a synthetic
> (nylon?) when exposed to a flame.  (Black smoke an makes a little black
> ball) 
> 
> I have even has success with an "ester" resin.
> 
> Steve J 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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>

KR> engine CHT temps

[Ron Eason]

If anyone out there has access to a IR Scope it could be used to find the 
temperature quadrants on the heads of engines types[ VW Corv. Cont. and 
etc.]. The info would indicate where to place sensors.
I have worked with these scopes at GM, but the scope is GM's not mine.

KRRon

- Original Message - 
From: "Oscar Zuniga" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 4:40 PM
Subject: KR> engine CHT temps


> In response to the exchange on location of the temp probe for CHT, I'll
> repost this from Dec. of 2003 for your consideration:
> ==
> Howdy, Netters-
>
> I got my "Beetle Flyer" (from Great Plains Aircraft Supply) over the 
> weekend
> and took notice of a tech tip on locating your CHT sensor on the VW engine
> ( down the page, at http://www.greatplainsas.com/bf20032.html ).  Standard
> practice is to install it under a spark plug, but Steve Bennett points out
> that your CHT temps will read high if you do this... by as much as 150F. 
> He
> recommends installing it under a head stud (location is given in the text 
> in
> the Flyer, but not as clear as it could be).  Long and short of it is that
> if you're running a VW and have your CHT sensor under a spark plug, you 
> may
> not be getting readings that reflect what you're really interested in.
>
> If Bob Hoover is still monitoring this list, maybe he would care to chime
> in?  If Steve is monitoring this list, maybe he would care to elaborate 
> more
> clearly on the preferred location?  The picture in the Flyer identifies a
> boss that is used for fuel injection temp. probe, but doesn't say this is
> the recommended spot (and doesn't seem to be a good spot anyway).  The 
> idea
> is to respect the metallurgy of the head castings by not allowing the CHT 
> to
> exceed recommended temperature... bad and irreversible damage can result 
> if
> the metal gets too hot.
>
> Oh, and somewhat timely and related to Mark Jones and Mark Langford's two
> different approaches to cooling plenum on the Corvair, the Beetle Flyer 
> also
> addresses cooling plenum design for the VW on the above-referenced 
> webpage.
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildr...@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
>
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> 

KR> engine CHT temps

[Ron Eason]

An IR scope is not a laser temp indicator.  A scope gives you a picture of 
the object being monitored and shows the temp gradients of the part, where 
it's the coldest and where it's the hottest and what the temp's. are.

KRRon

- Original Message - 
From: "James Jernigan" <jim_...@sbcglobal.net>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 8:28 AM
Subject: RE: KR> engine CHT temps


> These laser thermometers, which I think is what you are referring to, are 
> getting cheaper and cheaper.  And better.  I just bought one , a Raytek 
> MT6, on Ebay for the "buy it now" price of 56.00.  This thing is great! 
> It will measure up to 900 deg F and is useful not only for head temps, but 
> for identifying dead cylinders in a flash, measuring the efficiency of 
> your home A/C system, determining if your car thermostat is opening- the 
> possibilities are endless!  So far I have managed to keep it secret from 
> my thirteen year old son, who no doubt would measure the temp of every 
> square inch of everything in his world, but I know he will get hip to it 
> sooner or later.  Then I will be able to issue a report for how resilient 
> it is.
>
> Cheers, Jim Jernigan
>
> Brian Kraut <brian.kr...@engalt.com> wrote:
> I would love to give it a shot on my plane to make sure that I have the 
> CHT
> probe on the hottest cylinder if I could talk you into bringing it again.
>
> Brian Kraut
> Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
> www.engalt.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt@mylist.net
> [mailto:krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt@mylist.net]On Behalf Of
> Mark Jones
> Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 8:20 PM
> To: Ron Eason; KRnet
> Subject: Re: KR> engine CHT temps
>
>
> Last year, I brought an IR temp sensor to the gathering for anyone who
> wished to test their head temps. Jim Faughn was the only one interested in
> doing it. I still have the tester and have found it very useful when test
> running my engine to locate the hot areas in the cylinder heads.
>
> Mark Jones (N886MJ)
> Wales, WI USA
> E-mail me at flyk...@wi.rr.com
> Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at
> http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Ron Eason"
> To: "KRnet"
> Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 4:51 PM
> Subject: Re: KR> engine CHT temps
>
>
>> If anyone out there has access to a IR Scope it could be used to find the
>> temperature quadrants on the heads of engines types[ VW Corv. Cont. and
>> etc.]. The info would indicate where to place sensors.
>> I have worked with these scopes at GM, but the scope is GM's not mine.
>>
>> KRRon
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Oscar Zuniga"
>> To:
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 4:40 PM
>> Subject: KR> engine CHT temps
>>
>>
>> > In response to the exchange on location of the temp probe for CHT, I'll
>> > repost this from Dec. of 2003 for your consideration:
>> > ==
>> > Howdy, Netters-
>> >
>> > I got my "Beetle Flyer" (from Great Plains Aircraft Supply) over the
>> > weekend
>> > and took notice of a tech tip on locating your CHT sensor on the VW
> engine
>> > ( down the page, at http://www.greatplainsas.com/bf20032.html ).
> Standard
>> > practice is to install it under a spark plug, but Steve Bennett points
> out
>> > that your CHT temps will read high if you do this... by as much as 
>> > 150F.
>> > He
>> > recommends installing it under a head stud (location is given in the
> text
>> > in
>> > the Flyer, but not as clear as it could be). Long and short of it is
> that
>> > if you're running a VW and have your CHT sensor under a spark plug, you
>> > may
>> > not be getting readings that reflect what you're really interested in.
>> >
>> > If Bob Hoover is still monitoring this list, maybe he would care to
> chime
>> > in? If Steve is monitoring this list, maybe he would care to elaborate
>> > more
>> > clearly on the preferred location? The picture in the Flyer identifies
> a
>> > boss that is used for fuel injection temp. probe, but doesn't say this
> is
>> > the recommended spot (and doesn't seem to be a good spot anyway). The
>> > idea
>> > is to respect the metallurgy of the head castings by not allowing the
> CHT
>> > to
>> > exceed recommended temperature... bad and irreversible damage can 
>> > result
>> > if
>>

KR> Procedure to cover glass cloth on foam.

[Ron Eason]

Here is how the process works.
1. Resin is less dense that fiberglass or any other cloth.
2. Therefore the cloth floats on top of the resin layer,
[W/O peel ply] and forms a thick layer of cure resin just below the cloth 
making a heavier lay-up that is less strong because of the layer of 
resin.[as you add more resin the under-layer gets thicker]
3. By using the peel ply, capillary action draws the resin from under the 
cloth up to the layer between the peel ply and cloth, forcing the cloth 
closer to the structure being covered. You should add just enough resin to 
wet the cloth and peel ply.
When you remove the peel ply you see the thin layer of resin.[ If the cloth 
wave is present, you didn't add enough resin].

KRRon

- Original Message - 
From: "wilder_jeff Wilder" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 9:42 PM
Subject: Re: KR> Procedure to cover glass cloth on foam.


>
> Does the peel ply actualy soak up the resin or does the resin work through
> the cloth to sit ontop of the peel ply. Can you use the cloth more then
> once?
>
> The problem I have had is that after I work the resin into the cloth and
> squeege of the extra resin, the, I get a few voids on the cloth... I have 
> to
> cut it out.. flox it over and then sand.
>
> Those of you that have worked with large pieces of carbon,  does it really
> save that much weight over the standard cloth. 5.9 oz fiberglass vs 3.9 oz
> carbon.. the difference in the entire piece is about 10-15 oz, is it 
> really
> worth the extra money?
>
> -Jeff
>
>>From: "Mike Turner" 
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>>   - Original Message -
>>   From: patrusso
>>   To: KRnet
>>   Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 5:26 PM
>>   Subject: Re: KR> Procedure to cover glass cloth on foam.
>>   Dubi
>>   One other aspect of peel ply is that it helps to save over all weight 
>> as
>>you pull it off it removes some of the excess epoxy that you would not
>>other wise get just by squeege process.
>>
>>   Mike Turner
>>   Jackson, Missouri
>>
>>   Dubi
>>   You are correct on all counts. Other hints are: A-Using peel ply will
>>leave
>>   a smoother finish with less sanding later on. B-If you are using
>>urethane
>>   foam, wipe down the cured glass with a lightly dampened (with denatured
>>   alcohol) cloth to remove the waxy residue that epoxy generates in the
>>   curing process. This will make sanding easier and faster. Omit this if
>>you
>>   are using styrene foams. Alcohol will attack/melt  the foam if not
>>totally
>>   protected. Not all foams require slurry. Some urethanes are dense 
>> enough
>>to
>>   simply apply wet epoxy to, then lay your cloth on and stiple and
>>squeegee
>>   off the excess. Good luck.
>>   - Original Message -
>>   From: "Dubi Gefen" >
>>   To: 

KR> Procedure to cover glass cloth on foam.

[Ron Eason]

OK it's the reverse.  You got the Idea.

Ron
- Original Message - 
From: "Joachim Saupe" <jsaupe6...@earthlink.net>
To: "Ron Eason <r...@jrl-engineering.com>, KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 3:39 PM
Subject: Re: KR> Procedure to cover glass cloth on foam.


> 
> 1. Resin is less dense that fiberglass or any other cloth.
> 2. Therefore the cloth floats on top of the resin layer,
> 
> That does not make sense, the less dense material should be what floats!
> 
> i.e.: wood is less dense than water so it floats. Steel is denser than
> water so it sinks.
> 
> Joachim
> 
> 
> 
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KR> A Riddle, a Plea, and a Thank You

[Ron Eason]

I think everyone can agree to this statement.

KRRon

- Original Message - 
From: 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 9:01 AM
Subject: KR> A Riddle, a Plea, and a Thank You


> What's the difference between a KR that goes 140, 160, or 180?   None... 
> Aerocrafter says they all go 200!
>
> Kidding aside, powerplant, prop, and airfoil (ok, and weight and drag 
> and...). In the end, aren't we each building unique aircraft derived from 
> the same heritage?
>
> Is a KR with a new airfoil, or an enlarged stab still a KR? Probably not 
> in the strictest sense, but in spirit absolutely! Almost all of us who are 
> building, are building custom aircraft with widely varying performance.
>
> I'm probably the newest newbie here. I sense there's a "go fast" crowd 
> here and a much smaller "speed limit" crowd. We've all chosen to build 
> planes based on the same KR heritage, because they're beautiful and 
> efficient and economical. My opinion, we should all continue to learn from 
> each other even if our design goals are different.
>
> So anyway, many thanks to everyone who jumped in to beat my dead LSA 
> horse. I learned a lot more than I had from reading the archives. Looking 
> forward to meeting you all in ** 20 DAYS ** !!
>
> 
> Richard Rankin
> EAA 688891
> N328FT (reserved)
> richardanddonya (at) cox (dot) net
> Tulsa, OK
> 
>
>
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KR> Procedure to cover glass cloth on foam.

[Ron Eason]

Their is some variations to the following procedure but basically it's 
standard.
I have added the following steps in my practice.
2a. I allow the slurry to cure.
2b. Sand and fill voids, sand and smooth out surfaces to near final finish.
4a.Add peal-ply cloth over the fiberglass.
If you want to have a superior finish these my help.
You will eventually find what is best for your taste after a few tries.
KRRon

- Original Message - 
From: "Dubi Gefen" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 1:01 PM
Subject: KR> Procedure to cover glass cloth on foam.


> Hello Krnet members!
>
> I would like to understanding the glassing procedure on foam.
>
> Follow the procedure as I understanding.
>
> 1. Sending the foam.
> 2. Cover/squeegee over the foam with slurry (Micro + epoxy)
> 3. Cover the wet slurry with glass cloth.
> 4. Cover over the glass cloth with pure epoxy and squeegee off any
> excess epoxy.
> 5. Wait two day, when all the slurry/epoxy is dry.
> 6. Sending the surface area.
> 7. Use macro slurry to fill in unsmooth area.
>
> My question:
>  A. This process is correct? If not please correct me.
>  B. This process suitable to all area with foam like:
> Wings, Horizontal stabilizer, Elevator, Vertical stab and so on?
>  C. Within the "Book Plan" of the KR-2 mentioned, Micro beads is
> totally non structural.
>   How this instruction related to the cover of the wings foam
> with Micro beads and then covers with glass cloth?
>
> Waiting to confirmation or correction.
>
> Regards
> Dubi Gefen.

KR> Procedure to cover glass cloth on foam.

[Ron Eason]

Polyester garment coat lining will do the same thing for about 1/2 or less 
cost of peel ply from Aircraft Spruce and others.  Get it from a fabric 
shop.

KRRon


- Original Message - 
From: "Mark Jones" 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 6:01 AM
Subject: Re: KR> Procedure to cover glass cloth on foam.


> Simply put Peel Ply is a Dacron type of cloth which has been treated
> with a release agent which prevents it from permanently adhering to epoxy.
> Immediately after you have done a fiberglass lay up and the epoxy is still
> very wet, lay a sheet of Peel Ply over the fiberglass and allow it to soak
> up excess resin. Use a squeegee to completely wet out the Peel Ply. Only 
> add
> more epoxy if the Peel Ply does not completely wet out. Allow this to dry
> (cure) overnight or until it is not sticky to the touch. Once cured, grab
> the edge of the peel ply and pull it off the fiberglass lay up. The result
> is an almost perfectly smooth finish which will require minimal sanding.
> Here is a link which shows Peel Ply in use:
> http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/turtle.html
>
> Mark Jones (N886MJ)
> Wales, WI  USA
> E-mail me at flyk...@wi.rr.com
> Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at
> http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Dan Heath" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 3:48 AM
> Subject: Re: KR> Procedure to cover glass cloth on foam.
>
>
>> RELEASE FABRIC BLB1
>>
>> Ply B peel ply coated with a release agent that releases all aircraft
> resins
>> up to 400 degrees F. Use with R300 sensitive tape as all coated peel 
>> plies
>> have the potential to transfer. 60" wide, 2 oz. nylon peel ply is .004 -
>> 005 thickness. Grab tensile: warp - 110 LBS. filling - 140 LBS. minimum.
>>
>> >From Wicks on line catalog.
>>
>>
>>
>> See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering
>>
>> See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics
>>
>> There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for
> building
>> has expired.
>>
>> Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC
>>
>> ---Original Message---
>>
>> I have seen "peel-ply" mentioned several times. What is it?
>>
>>
>>
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KR> Epoxy

[Ron Eason]

I've use it on all my none epoxy bonding, Wood also.  Use epoxy where 
required though.  I fills spaces between foam. It actually reinforces the 
joint compression wise.  Use it with microballoons to make it more sandable.

Ron
- Original Message - 
From: 
To: 
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 12:45 PM
Subject: Re: KR> Epoxy


>I used "Elmer's" ultimate glue. It's polyurethane. It's water activated and
> easy to work with. Like all products in this category it does have some 
> draw
> backs though as the bonding seam is a little hard to sand as compared to
> sanding  the bonded foam. Overall though I have been very pleased with the 
> results.
> The  best thing about it is that you can find it at any good lumber and
> building  supply store for about $13.00 to $14.00 dollars U.S.(16 fl oz.) 
> I found
> it  here in Louisiana at "Home Depot".
>
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KR> Epoxy

[Ron Eason]

Gorilla is another manufacture of this product. Any product that says it's 
Urethane.
Ron
- Original Message - 
From: 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 8:28 AM
Subject: Re: KR> Epoxy


> Peter, I've contacted Elmer's and was only able to leave a message on 
> their
> phone answering machine. They have a terrible web site in regards to their
> information about distribution. I think as big a product that Elmer's has 
> been
> here it surely should have an outlet there. If I get a response from them 
> I
> will  pass it on to you. This glue has great gapping qualities and holding 
> power
> for  foam to foam and foam to wood or even foam and wood to metals. It is
> however  considered non structural.
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KR> dual controls

[Ron Eason]

Thank you, I would like to see the drawings.  I can read ACAD and Solidworks 
format files. Attached email files are OK.

Ron


- Original Message - 
From: "Jaco Swanepoel" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 12:36 AM
Subject: KR> dual controls


> Hi Ron,
> If you are interrested, I have some CAD drawings of the assembly. If you 
> would like me to send them to you, please let me know. There are 10 in 
> total, complete with material spec and dimensions. Regarding the bolts and 
> nut, I am one of those people who will hold up his trousers with a belt, 
> suspenders and a rope, JUST IN CASE OF EMERGENCY!!
> Regards,
> Jaco Swanepoel
> KR2S  -  ZU-DVP
> South Africa
>
>
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KR> New VW resource for engine and hardware parts

[Ron Eason]

http://www.bugsandbuggies.com/, 

Check out the Nexius electronic - programmable gauges and multi-info gauges, 
engine parts and etc. COOOL stuff.

Ron

KR> motivation

[Ron Eason]

I wish Al Brown could of seen mine when I finish his.
KRron


-- Original Message --
From: "Jeff Scott" 
Reply-To: KRnet 
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date:  Tue, 28 Jun 2005 14:02:52 GMT


I had a similar experience last year at the Copperstate Fly-In.  Steve Glover 
had a guy talking to him about his KR.  They guy said he had started building a 
KR once, but had sold the project to a guy in NM named Scott.  Steve pointed 
back about three rows behind where he was parked and suggested that he come 
check out my KR.  Yep, it was the gentleman that had started the project that I 
had bought and finished.  He was like a proud papa as he crawled all over the 
plane showing his friends the plane and snapping photos of it.  It was a very 
enjoyable experience meeting up with him again and him getting to see his dream 
finished and flying.

Jeff Scott
Los Alamos, NM

-- "Brian Kraut"  wrote:
Thanks for sharing that.  Amazing how a plane can touch you.

I just got this email yesterday from the daughter of the man I bought the
Stang from and it nearly brought a tear to my eyes.  I knew when I bought
the plane that he just wanted to see it finished and in the air.  Inspiring
people to finish and fly their planes before they just give up or loose
their medical is a noble cause and you are certainly doing your part.  There
is nothing more satisfying than flying something that you created.


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KR> Turtle deck

[Ron Eason]

I have a KR2 deck and will sell it for $50.00 plus shipping. I made mine fron 
3/32 plywood.
KRron


-- Original Message --
From: "wilder_jeff Wilder" 
Reply-To: KRnet 
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date:  Tue, 21 Jun 2005 14:37:44 -0600

Can someone provide me with a bit of guidance as to the turtle deck.

Should I build it... or buy it from KR?

I like the shape of the deck that KR sells... but I was hoping to save a few 
$$ if I built it myself.

So my question is.. am I really going to save that much $$ if I build rather 
then buying one aready finished?

-Jeff



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KR> To foam or not to foam.. that is my question

[Ron Eason]

I just finished my turtle deck. I used 3/32" plywood by wetting it and forming 
the roll with string letting it dry then trimming it to fit.  [no foam] I will 
place one layer of light fiberglass for finishing purposes.  It's plenty strong 
for the application.

KRron


-- Original Message --
From: "Dan Heath" 
Reply-To: KRnet 
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date:  Fri, 10 Jun 2005 11:54:44 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)

There is a good example of building a turtle deck at:

http://kr-builder.org/ScottCable/index.html 

Remember, carbon will block radio signals.

See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering
See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics 
There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building
has expired.
Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC
---Original Message---
However, I do plan on using foam to create a roll bar over the cockpit and
lay that up with a few layers of carbon too.

Any advice would be appreicated.
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KR> OSHKOSH 05

[Ron Eason]

I plan to drive up and camp out. I don't know my schedule as of this time.

KRron
- Original Message - 
From: 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 5:29 PM
Subject: Re: KR> OSHKOSH 05


> I BEEN THERE EACH YR SINCE 89.  PLAN TO DRIVE THERE THIS YR, AGAIN ... 
> KEN JENKINS, KR2S, N49GE, STILL IN PROGRESS...PRATTVILLE, ALABAMAKRJ
>>
>> From: ifly...@aol.com
>> Date: 2005/06/05 Sun AM 09:00:06 EDT
>> To: kr...@mylist.net
>> Subject: KR> OSHKOSH 05
>>
>> ALRIGHTY THEN... who is planning to fly their KR to Oshkosh this year? 
>> and
>> who is planning to just show up?   I PLAN to be there the entire week 
>> with
>> N41769 and WW will be there with the Corvair 601, Dave with his Corvair 
>> Colt,
>> hopefully Mark Jones will fly in and Im egging my dad to fly his 
>> restored
>> Cessna 180 (rescued from the mission field in Mexico).   Ive  heard that 
>> the KR
>> population has decreased in Oshkosh as of late but I would  like to see 
>> it grow
>> again.  I know it is overcrowded there at times but the  KR is where the 
>> true
>> EAAer can be found - plans built - not erector set.   Hope to see as many 
>> of
>> you there as possible.
>> Another beautilful day to fly - but I may have to catch up on work... OH
>> WELL
>> FLY SAFE YALL..Bill and N41768  180.0  hours
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KR> Aircraft Stripper

[Ron Eason]

I would try compressed air blasting with baking soda their is some auto here 
in the KC area that do it that way we/of damage to the fiberglass.
I seen it done.

KRron
- Original Message - 
From: 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 11:05 PM
Subject: KR> Aircraft Stripper


>
> Is it safe to use aircraft stripper on a KR to remove old paint or will it 
> damage the T-88 or make the epoxy break loose from the wood? It would 
> really save me some time if I could use it.
>
> Steve Henderson
> St. Louis, MO
> KR1
> sp...@sbcglobal.net
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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KR> Resource

[Ron Eason]

Another Resource, http://www.speedwaymotors.com

KRron

KR> EFI contrast to Ron Slender remarks

[Ron Eason]

Why batch fire injectors? Why not sequence fire injectors? Batch fire seems 
a little waste full.

KRron
- Original Message - 
From: "Phillip Matheson" 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2005 7:10 PM
Subject: Re: KR> EFI contrast to Ron Slender remarks


> - Original Message - 
> From: "VW Engines" 
> To: "Phillip Matheson" 
> Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2005 10:32 AM
> Subject: Re: KR> EFI contrast to Ron Slender remarks
>
>
>>
>> --Philip/ Colin
>>
>> Just wondering where Colin will buy a computer off a car that will work
> off
>> the shelf with a 2200 vw air cooled engine.
>>
>> Sure car engines have computers and work well with the engine they came
> out
>> of.
>> They cannot work out multi coil set up ( unless they were one originally)
> and
>> I would say difficult to work a dual ignition type arrangement.
>>
>> The problem it that there isn't a car you could take an EFI system out of
> to
>> retro fit to a VW engine.
>> That is why anyone who tries cannot afford the development and the time
>> involved.
>>
>> That is why we have created a system that does produce excellent fuel
> burn,
>> compensates in altitude and you can actually buy one of these engines 
>> from
>> us both as 2000 and 2200 EFI.
>> We have batch fire injectors and we run off MAP sensor Colin.
>> We use block temp to monitor start enrichment. That is all we need. We
> have
>> incoming air temperature too.
>> And a good design planum.
>>
>> If for say you picked on any late model engine and left it as it was and
>> fitted it to an aircraft subject prop rpm the engine as an efi engine
> would
>> most likely work fine. The problem is as I said there aren't any air
> cooled
>> ones and small liquid ones are heavy so what are the options?Although, 
>> the
>> computer may still keep asking for sensors that are no longer needed.
>> This is ok as a 1 off but with our experience with electronics new looms
> are
>> essential and fitted and tested  so that minimal expertise is required by
>> the aircraft builder in respect off installing an EFI engine.
>> Our computers are the latest in aftermarket EFI management fully
> programmable
>> with multi coils.
>> You can even buy a card and data log your flight.
>>
>> I don't know where I can buy  an aircooled, EFI engine, that produces a
> 100
>> hp +  at efficient prop rpm that can data log flight engine operation.
>> Choices start to get pretty narrow when you include all that.
>>
>> VW Engine Centre makes a 2000 and 2200 EFI gear drive experimental 
>> engine.
>>
>> Very soon there will be an RG TT 2200 EFI in an XL in the USA and he is
>> surrounded by some carb engine Jabiru 6`s so all the armchair talk will 
>> be
>> out the window with strong comparisons available on a level playing 
>> field.
>> Whatever the outcome, I think you would have to get in the que to see 
>> this
>> engine in the aircraft.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ron  Slender
>>
>>
>>
>>
> Phillip Matheson
> mathe...@dodo.com.au
> Australia
> VH PKR
> See our engines  and kits at.
> http://www.vw-engines.com/
> http://www.homebuilt-aviation.com/
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KR> Is it really a RAF 48

[Ron Eason]

I believe the RAF 48 in the plans are plotted from published coordinates, the 
model RAF 48 may have been plotted by some curve fitting analog program.
I wanted to add more sq. Ft. to my KR w/o extending the wings so I plotted a 
54" cord that is installed tight to the fus, the outer stub [48"] transitions 
to a 54" at the fus.
the coordinate method work for me.  I used autocad to plot the profile.

Ronald R. Eason Sr.
Pres. & CEO, KCMO Office
J.R.L. Engineering Consortium Ltd.
816-468-4091, Kansas City, MO. 
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-- Original Message --
From: Serge VIDAL 
Reply-To: KRnet 
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date:  Wed, 4 May 2005 13:24:23 +0200

Something puzzles me. I found by chance, over the Internet, a 'ribs 
generator' program, designed for radio-controlled models, wih more than a 
thousand profiles available. You just enter the profile type, the chord of 
the first rib, the chord of the last rib, and the number of ribs, and 
voila! You get a PDF file that goes to your printer, with "assembly marks" 
to help you glue the paper sheets together.

I used it to make a RAF 48 profile, with a 48" chord, as per KR2 specs. 
The trouble is, what I get is different from the KR2 Scale 1 drawing. The 
KR2 profile is slightly thicker.

What the hell is wrong here?

Serge Vidal
KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud"
Paris, France
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KR> Fill in the details

[Ron Eason]

Some good advice for KR builders. I have fill in some details and have more to 
yet to do. Allot of detail to fill in.

KRron

Accomplishment is largely a matter of creating a vision and then filling in the 
details. With time, effort and commitment, you can accomplish whatever you make 
it a priority to accomplish.
First, create the vision. Make it something with real, meaningful value, 
something that brings you true fulfillment or solves a vexing problem.

Then, begin to fill in all the details. Many of the details will lead to other 
details, so be sure to fill in all those, too.

Filling in the details is more than just thinking of what they will be. You 
also must bring those details to life with your actions.

Depending on the scope of your accomplishment, that could take anywhere from a 
few minutes to several years. Stick with it for whatever amount of time it 
takes, and the accomplishment you envision will surely come to be.

Dare to create a vision that's the very best you can imagine. Then use your 
time and effort to fill in all the details, and bring your dream to life.

-- Ralph Marston

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816-468-4091, Kansas City, MO. 

KR> Modifications

[Ron Eason]

Very good response and very well thought-out aerodynamically. Very seldom is a 
modification a one subject matter. 
I don't normally respond to the experts on the net, I just do my own thing.

Best Regards,

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Pres. & CEO, KCMO Office
J.R.L. Engineering Consortium Ltd.
816-468-4091, Kansas City, MO. 
Jim Eason V.P, 770-446-1291, Atlanta, Georgia
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-- Original Message --
From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" 
Reply-To: KRnet 
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date:  Thu, 21 Apr 2005 05:29:39 -0400

Netters
Jeff and I have both presented 2 different ways of modifying a KR, specifically 
in my case a KR2, to correct some of the complaints other pilots have had with 
the original design. The internal changes I spoke of make corrections that do 
not require any airframe re-construction, but only require the actuation 
methods and ratios to be adjusted.  This is very simple and have been used by 
MANY builders in one form or fashion for years. One right way of doing things.

Other builders have added to the horizontal and vertical stabilizer areas 
without adding to the control surface, increasing the stabilizer effectiveness. 
Based on pilot reports this works well also to tame the KR down some.  However, 
so that builders know they have choices and choose what is best for their 
application, by increasing the size of these surfaces it has an effect on how 
rapid the response is from the elevator or rudder.  Increasing the size of 
these surfaces has the effect of making it harder to move the tail around which 
adds to stability but also slows the response from the elevator and rudder, 
which is how it "corrects" the pitch sensitivity.  At speed this is good.  When 
slow, I prefer the fabulous elevator authority that I have with the original 
KR.  Since in my opinion pitch control is the single most important control 
that you have, having authority literally all the way through the point of a 
stalled wing gives me a great deal of comfort.  I chose not to change the 
effectiveness of these controls, simply their actuation ratios, mainly decrease 
the elevator, and increase the aileron, no change to rudder, to make the 
airplane more fun to fly. All surfaces still deflect the same amount as 
designed and have the same authority.

Each builder will have to decide for himself what is best for himself.  As in 
each plane style and design, there is more than one right way to do it.

crain...@cfl.rr.com
http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.html
KR2(td) N96TA
Sanford, FL
Apex Lending, Inc.
407-323-6960 (p)
407-557-3260 (f)
crai...@apexlending.com
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KR> FLY SAFE VS RISK MANAGEMENT

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- Original Message - 
From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 11:24 AM
Subject: KR> FLY SAFE VS RISK MANAGEMENT


 No flame war necessary or considered

 As some of you may know, I am building a modified KR2 with a supercharge, 
fuel injected 1915 cc VW engine, step by step.  I would say VW but it not 
any longer a VW it's got all American performance and experimental aircraft 
after market components.
I will have a full electronics  fuel and ignition computerized management 
system using a PC, which will allow me to make on the fly engine 
tuning.[intact the software  has a feature called auto-tune].  My backup 
system will be a magneto fixed timing and a gravity fad fuel induction with 
manual controls, this will get me home.  The timing devices are a crank 
shaft position sensor and a distributor, that tells the computer which 
cylinder is firing. The system is a off the shelf after market system for 
racing applications.[not auto manufacture related]  The Crank Shaft and 
Connecting Rods are balanced to within 1/2 gram tolerance. A lot of other 
details are incorporated,  but to numerous to itemize. That's my plans, it's 
not finished yet because I am receiving my last shipment of ceramic coated 
combustion chamber components and polycoated bearings from Polydyn this 
week. In fact all the hot and cold manifolds are ceramic coated. The casing 
is going out for powder-coating next week [it's pay as you go for me].  Over 
the past 3 years or so I've researched and invested some money in the little 
joule.  Right or wrong this is where I am going, and it going to be fun.
I've taken photos but don't have time to upload them.

KRRon 

KR> Fuel injection in planes./ EFI VW (Mark L)

[Ron Eason]

Go to www.lnengineering.com for another local American resource.
It's where I brought mine.
Ronald R. Eason Sr.
Pres. & CEO, KCMO Office
J.R.L. Engineering Consortium Ltd.

-- Original Message --
From: William Jeffries 
Reply-To: KRnet 
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date:  Wed, 13 Apr 2005 06:56:20 -0700 (PDT)

Mark,
I went to this website and seen the aluminum cylinders
for the corvair.  Have you done any research on these
and what would be your thoughts on this.

Bill Jeffries

> He even has a PSRU for your Corvair Engine.
> 
> 
> http://www.vw-engines.com



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KR> west system

[Ron Eason]

It's my experience that they are all the same.  They are the same basic 
chemicals. Some of the solvents differ slightly but they are basically the 
same solvents.  Temperature has everything to do with how fast the solvents 
evaporate as far as fume density is concerned. *0% of the time I use vinyl 
gloves because of the mess.

I've been working with epoxy , vinyl, polyester and urethanes for 35 years 
building planes and repairing cars.  I work in a basement that has some 
ventilation and I don't ware respirators while fiberglassing and filling. I 
have never had any skin reactions.
I always practice hygienic procedures as explained in Gorden Brothers 
guides[ wash your hands and exposed areas. [I use lacquer thinner and soap] 
I have used safetypoxy and aeropoxy and west resins and hardeners. I believe 
saftypoxy is the strongest of the three according to lab tests.  I don't 
panic because some chemicals are called hazardous by the EPA just use common 
sense and read the manufactures procedures for the applications.  [ some 
manufactures directions are in the CYA vain however] Just use common sense. 
Be aware and careful of the individual chemicals, after they react [cure] 
they are neutral. If the fumes are to much turn on a fan.
Urethanes are a different matter when painting but not as a adhesive.

KRron

KR> Tweety update

[Ron Eason]

I am glad to hear the good news and about how the turbo plumbed with the 
dual pump. Thanks for the update.
Keep us informed as to how thing are progressing.

Ron

- Original Message - 
From: "Orma" 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 11:31 PM
Subject: Re: KR> Tweety update


> Hello Ron
>
> First of all, type2 and type 4 parts are mostly interchangeable.  The
> Vanagon automatic, utilizes a piggy back dual oil pump to provide pressure
> to the transmission.  It is this pump that I am using for the turbo 
> scavenge
> pump.  The suction side of the pump is connected to the turbo oil return,
> and the pressure side of the pump is connected to the side of the engine
> case at the oil sump.  Please see
> http://kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com/Turbo%20Oil%20Leak.htm   The pump sucks
> hot frothy turbo return oil and passes it under pressure back into the
> engine case.  The turbo oil supply is taken from the top of the original 
> oil
> cooler boss and is routed directly to the top of the turbo.  The Ford 
> engine
> that this turbo is applicable for has a requirement for 50 psi.  That 
> being
> said, the turbo is getting what ford required.   The pump is two pumps
> driven by a common shaft that is turned by a slot in the cam gear.  Both
> pumps are completely separate, each with it's own inlet and outlets.
>
> Was it worth it?  Even though the dust has not settled yet, I can tell 
> that
> I have a lo more power.  The difference is like night and day.  My
> pervious top speed was 129 kts.  I have exceeded that in the pattern at 
> PTK,
> seeing 135 kts.   My climb was always around 500 fpm ( my KR was over 615
> lbs).  On a calm day I can now do over 1000 fpm.  Your short answer is 
> YES.
> It brings back that YeH feeling.   It takes the Hum out of
> Hum Drum and leaves the Drum with a quickened beat.
>
> Orma
>
>
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KR> LEDs

[Ron Eason]

Try this web address http://www.led.com


Ronald R. Eason Sr.
Pres. & CEO, KCMO Office
J.R.L. Engineering Consortium Ltd.
Web Page: www.jrl-engineering.com


-- Original Message --
From: Serge VIDAL 
Reply-To: KRnet 
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date:  Mon, 21 Mar 2005 17:16:15 +0100

As a matter of interest, I am currently looking for an ultrabright LED 
solution for a powerful light. I am busy making an underwater torch for 
scuba diving, and if I am happy with the solution, I would like to make my 
KR2 landing light the same way.

I just called the main LED supplier in France; their best offer is  a 3x1W 
dichroic bulb, 150 Lumen  (direct replacement for a halogen spotlight); it 
comes complete with a converter / filter to protect the LEDs against 
transients.

Trouble is, they want $ 130 for each unit, and that's way beyond my 
budget. Is that a true market prices, or are they trying to rip me off?


Serge Vidal
KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud"
Paris, France

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KR> Alum Angle

[Ron Eason]

Try this location it's where you can buy almost anything you need for airplane 
building.

http://www.metalbythefoot.com

KRron
Ronald R. Eason Sr.
Pres. & CEO, KCMO Office
J.R.L. Engineering Consortium Ltd.
816-468-4091, Kansas City, MO. 

-- Original Message --
From: Matthew Elder 
Reply-To: KRnet 
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date:  Mon, 21 Feb 2005 21:33:43 -0800 (PST)

Hello all,

Just wondering if anyone has a peice of 2024-T3 Alum
Angle (1.5" x 1.5", or 1.25" x 1.25") that's 1/8"
thick laying around... Oh about a foot or so should
do.

I need a small section to make a part, and it's the
only peice I need (so i think).

I don't feel like buying a 6 or 12ft minimum from
AS/Wicks... when I only need a foot.  Anyone have a
scrap they want to give/sell me?

Reply OFFLIST please...

TIA,
Matt


=
-
Matthew Elder
Orangeburg, SC 
http://www.infinigral.com/melder

My Airplane Project:
http://kr1.infinigral.com

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KR> Perfect Valentines present

[Ron Eason]

Boy! What a relationship  --  you luck guy--  Have a good Valentines day, and 
you will.

Ronald R. Eason Sr.
Pres. & CEO, KCMO Office
J.R.L. Engineering Consortium Ltd.
816-468-4091, Kansas City, MO. 
Jim Eason V.P, 770-446-1291, Atlanta, Georgia
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-- Original Message --
From: "Jeff Scott" 
Reply-To: KRnet 
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date:  Fri, 11 Feb 2005 14:23:59 GMT


Wives have got to have a sense of humor too.  My wife has a combined birthday 
as it falls on Valentines day.  That combination would strike fear in the 
hearts of most men and stir the pangs of greed in the hearts of women.  My wife 
is a bit different.  Last year I bought her a lovely stainless steel upper and 
lower tool chest that I allow her to store at the hanger.  She thought it was 
riotously funny.  Her friends were horrified and advised her to set me straight 
or maybe it's about time for me to go.  This year she's getting a nice new 
color GPS.  Was looking at buying her a Cub, but couldn't get it arranged in 
time.  Maybe she'll get the Cub next year. ;o)

Now you can tell your wife how good she's got it compared to mine. :oD

-Jeff 


Born2 said:
FELA's IM in a bad spot. My wife and I were talking today about her 
valentines present, and what she thought she deserved was a nice pare of 
earrings. 
Well, I couldn't resist the temptation of telling her that she would look much 
better with a nice pair of wheel pants and a prop. Well, Ill be sleeping 
tonight 
with my true love the KR2. Isn't life grand! Little dose she know I got her a 
nice sander.



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KR> High Performance Coaxial Cable Resource

[Ron Eason]

http://www.rfparts.com/

LMR 240 is better than 50 ohm RG-58  handles more power with less 
attenuation.
Good for long runs and bends.

KRron 

KR> Ellison EFS2 carb

[Ron Eason]

This link has some really good pictures of Space Ship One operations
http://sd-mirror.dumitru.com/scaled/.

KR> 54 inch chord

[Ron Eason]

Yes, My Kr has a 54" cord at the fus. Tapers from 48 at end of stub to 54 at 
fus.[Allows larger flaps and conventional retracts.]

KRron

- Original Message - 
From: 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 3:19 PM
Subject: KR> 54 inch chord


> Does anyone know of a KR wing built with a 54 inch chord?
> Dick H.
>
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KR> Help For EAA Chapter Newsletter Editors

[Ron Eason]

FYI for those who want a PDF writer.

KRron

Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 4:23 PM
Subject: FW: Help For EAA Chapter Newsletter Editors


>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Troy Toelle [mailto:ttoe...@eaa.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 1:16 PM
> Subject: Help For EAA Chapter Newsletter Editors
>
>
> Are you looking for some more articles for your Chapter Newsletter?  Check
> out the Aircraft Building Articles in the Homebuilders Headquarters area 
> of
> the EAA Web Site:
> http://members.eaa.org/home/homebuilders/building/list.html
> Feel free to use these articles in your Chapter Newsletters.  You can 
> simply
> copy and paste these articles into your Chapter Newsletter, we do ask that
> you include the author's info as well as the publication that it was
> originally posted in.
>
> More help...
>
> Paul Ray, Newsletter Editor, EAA Chapter 768 (Apple Valley, CA), has 
> shared
> some info about a useful tool that may be of interest to you (see below).
>
> Creating Electronic Newsletters using the Adobe PDF Format
>
> Attention all Chapter Newsletter Editors! If you use a text editor
> (WordPad), Word, PowerPoint, or Excel to create your newsletter, a PDF 
> file
> can be created to send an electronic version to your membership. PDF 
> writers
> can be expensive but there is a free version that I've been using for over
> one year without any problems.
>
> Actually, there is no such thing as "free software" but if you're willing 
> to
> put up with a pop-up advertisement when creating a PDF file, then you will
> save a lot of money using this free product. If you want to eliminate the
> pop-up ads, paying a one-time fee of $9.95 to the authors will get you a
> special "key" to turn off all advertising.
>
> Why use PDF files? An informal poll during the Chapter Newsletter Editor
> Forum during AirVenture showed that most Chapter Newsletter Editors want 
> to
> send their newsletter electronically as an attachment to email. If done
> correctly it saves a lot of time (printing copies) and expense (paper and
> postage). If a portable format is used then any recipient can read and/or
> print copies without any special or expensive software. Adobe designed the
> PDF - Portable Data Format - for anyone to quickly and easily print
> documents. All PDF files can be read and printed on PCs or Macs using free
> software from Adobe.
>
> Some Editors use Microsoft Word but I have found this to be problematic. 
> If
> the recipient does not have Microsoft Word the document cannot be opened 
> for
> reading and printing. If the recipient does have Word but does not have 
> the
> exact same fonts used in the newsletter, the received document may look 
> very
> different than the original created by the Editor. The reason is simple: 
> the
> font information is stored with the DOC file and depends on the receiving 
> PC
> or Mac to have the same fonts (and a copy of Microsoft Word). When a PDF
> file is generated, the complete font information along with margins,
> graphics, and pictures, are included in the PDF file so the receiving PC 
> or
> Mac requires nothing except the PDF reader. And, it's free from Adobe!
>
> The free PDF writer is available from www.pdf995.com. It requires a PC
> running Windows 95, 98, 2000, ME, NT 4.0, or XP. The steps to download and
> install the free version of the PDF writer are very simple and require two
> major steps - download the two required files and save them on your 
> Desktop,
> and install the software. Each section, below, covers these two major 
> steps.
> For those familiar with accessing the Internet, downloading, saving, and
> installing files, you can skip all the steps, below, and go www.pdf995.com
> and follow the directions.
>
> Downloading the free PDF writer:
>
> 1. After booting up your PC use a modem or broadband device and connect to
> the Internet.
> 2. Using Explorer or Netscape enter the URL address: 
> http://www.pdf995.com.
> If Explorer or Netscape is not obvious on the desktop (main PC screen) 
> click
> on Start and then look at the Programs list. Click on the web browser your
> PC has installed.
> 3. There are three products offered for download. Click on Download Now at
> the end of the Pdf995 paragraph. This is the first paragraph.
> 4. The new screen will display several boxes with options. In the top box
> labeled Pdf995 2-Step click on Download after Pdf995 Printer Driver. This
> creates a communication link between your system and the PDF995 web site 
> to
> download and save a file on your PC. This file is the printer driver.
>
> What is a printer driver? Simply stated a printer driver is the software
> contained in your PC that "talks" to your printer and converts the
> information on the screen into the various electronic commands that cause
> ink to appear on paper showing exactly what is on your screen. PDF files 
> are
> created by "printing" your document to a file that ends in the PDF file 
> name
> (i.e., 

KR> Free PDF Writer

[Ron Eason]

Thanks,

Ron

- Original Message - 
From: "Dean Cooper" 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 5:14 PM
Subject: KR> Free PDF Writer


> Ron wrote:
>> FYI for those who want a PDF writer.
>
>
> Ron, et al:
>
> If you want one without the pop-ups, check this one out.  It downloads to
> your PC and is not connected to a website.  It installs as a printer 
> option,
> so you just "print" the document to the "CutePDF printer" and it prompts 
> you
> where to save it.  Very easy to use.  I've been using it for over a year
> with no problems, pop-ups, etc.   Hope it helps.
>
> http://www.cutepdf.com/Products/CutePDF/writer.asp
>
>
> Dean Cooper
> Jacksonville, FL
> Email me at dean_coo...@bellsouth.net
> See my KR project at www.geocities.com/djramccoop1/KR2_Home.html
>
>
>
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KR> Fuel $

[Ron Eason]

I think I remember reading about a revolution some 200 years ago or so 
because of high taxes.

KRron


- Original Message - 
From: "Randy Smith " 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 6:11 PM
Subject: Re: KR> Fuel $


> Taxes are how the Government pays the bills and you all have more 
> government
> support
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "terry jones" 
> To: "KRnet" 
> Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 4:17 PM
> Subject: Re: KR> Fuel $
>
>
>>( All amounts in US dollars as converted at today's rate)
>>
>> Well, I've just done a check here in the UK, and the average price for
>> Avgas is $2.10 per LITRE... ordinary unleaded auto petrol (sorry, gas)
>> cost me today at our local supermarket  $1.58 a litre. It cost me $92.20
>> to fill my car this afternoon.
>> yep, we pay through the nose in tax for almost everything here.
>> 20 cigarettes will take about $8.50 out of the flying fund for every 20
>> you buy.
>> A reasonable bottle of Scotch Whisky well set you back over $22.00.(And
>> we make it here)
>>
>> With taxes like this it's not surprising to see people moaning about the
>> prices of everything, and I mean EVERYTHING over here.
>> At the flying club I visit, albeit not as often as I would wish now I am
>> retired, an hour in a Cessna 152 will cost  over $180.
>>
>> A belated happy new year to one and all, and all that you wish for
>> yourselves in 2005
>>
>> Terry Jones, disgruntled of the UK.
>>
>>>
>>>
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KR> Exhaust Coatings?

[Ron Eason]

I just had my intake and exhaust systems coated for $470.00 and I used 
Polydyne in Houston TX. my system included the turbo housing and custom 
fabricated injected manifold and fuel rails.  www.polydyn.com or 
www.jethot.com are the places I got quotes from.  Ploydyne has coatings for 
everything -- bearings, combustion chambers, pistons and etc.

KRron

- Original Message - 
From: "Brian Kraut" 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 6:43 PM
Subject: RE: KR> Exhaust Coatings?


> 20% maybe, not 80%.  The other advantage is a few percent increased HP 
> from
> improved exhaust scavengeing because the exhaust gasses stay hotter, hence
> less dense.
>
> I think you will still get plenty of heat for the carb and cabin heat.
>
> Plenty of other companies do ceramic coating.  Make sure they do both the
> outside and inside of the pipes.  The increased heat of the exhaust gasses
> will eat your pipes in no time if only the outside is done.  Call your 
> local
> speed shop and see if there is anywhere local that does it.
>
> Brian Kraut
> Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
> www.engalt.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net]On
> Behalf Of Dan Heath
> Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 5:18 PM
> To: kr...@mylist.net
> Subject: KR> Exhaust Coatings?
>
>
> Jerry and I want to coat our exhaust manifold, like the Jet Hot process. I
> understand that it will reduce the under-cowling temperature by 80%. If 
> that
> is so, what has to be done to insure that you can get heat for cabin and
> carb?
>
> Are there other companies that are preferred, that do the same thing?
>
> Working on Firewall Forward while the wing painting is on hold.
>
> See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics
>
> There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for 
> building
> has expired.
>
> Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC
>
> See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering
>
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KR> Merry Christmas (Feliz Navidad) and Happy New Year (Feliz Nueva Anno)

[Ron Eason]

I want to wish you and your family and friends a very Merry Christmas and Happy 
New Year. I hope that during the coming year, all of you are blessed with good 
health, bountiful wealth and much progress on your KR's. 
I enjoy your friendship, even though it may be through the internet and email 
and hope that we can meet again and enjoy a delicious dinner and drinks and 
reminisce the good times at the next year KR fly-in.

Merry Christmas & Happy New Year,

KRron

KR>fuel tank

[Ron Eason]

HDPE [high density polyethylene] can be welded [fused together] using a hot 
air gun. Plastic fab shops have the equipment and skills to do the work. 
The hot air welding gun cost about $500.00.
You can find these tanks at http://www.jegs.com/ and other performance 
sites.  I have a 7 1/2 gallon for my header tank.  They come complete with 
fuel cap, vents, and 1/2 and 3/8" fittings and foam to prevent sloshing. 
They are used in dragsters.  Just think 7 1/2 gal burn in a 1/4 mile run --  
wow.

PS I am still looking for some carbon fiber cloth scraps.

KRRon


- Original Message - 
From: "Russ Fenlason" 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 9:15 AM
Subject: Re: KR>fuel tank


>I just came across a HDPE tank that is about 16 gallons it is roughly
> square.  It seems rather large for a header tank. Does any one know what 
> can
> be done with HDPE.  Can it be cut and glued? can it be heated and 
> reshaped?
> Any Ideas would be appreciated.   Thanks Russ  (High density Polyethylene)
>
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KR>fuel tank

[Ron Eason]

My 7 1/2 gallon HDPE tank is lighter than the stock tank.

KRRon

- Original Message - 
From: "Ron Freiberger" 
To: "'KRnet'" 
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 11:21 AM
Subject: RE: KR>fuel tank


> Best plan is to scrap it.
> 
> Ron Freiberger
> mail to rfreiberger at swfla.rr.com  <- substitute an @ sign ;o)
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On
> Behalf Of Russ Fenlason
> Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 10:15 AM
> To: KRnet
> Subject: Re: KR>fuel tank
> 
> I just came across a HDPE tank that is about 16 gallons it is roughly
> square.  It seems rather large for a header tank. Does any one know what
> can
> be done with HDPE.  Can it be cut and glued? can it be heated and
> reshaped?
> Any Ideas would be appreciated.   Thanks Russ  (High density
> Polyethylene)
> 
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KR> (no subject)

[Ron Eason]

Thank you for this, you have talent.  Marry Christmas and a Prosperous New 
Year to all that read this.
PS do you want any contract work?

KRon

- Original Message - 
From: "Al Friesen" 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 4:20 PM
Subject: Re: KR> (no subject)


> All,
>MERRY CHRISTMAS AND A HAPPY, HEALTHY NEW YEAR TO YOU AND YOURS. Go
> to this site and view my daughters animation.  It took 2 days of work on 
> her
> computer. Left click and hold to shake the ball.Al
> Friesen
> Here is a little something to SHAKE up your holidays:
> www.sandrafriesen.com/snowcone. Have a wonderful holiday and a very happy
> new year.
>
>
>
> -- 
> No virus found in this outgoing message.
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KR> Prolong engine life and durability

[Ron Eason]

Check out this resource.  www.polydyn.com  I just sent them my exhaust 
headers and intake manifold for ceramic coating.

KRron 

KR> The future of flight...?

[Ron Eason]

I received this interesting email.

KRron

 From: "Jon Sieffert" 
 Subject: The future of flight...?


 Ok guys heads up!!
 I just saw an interesting phenomenom that one of the
 guys were experimenting at school.  He rigged up a lightweight frame and
 fashioned a crude assymetrical capacitor.  He hooked it up to the
 high-voltage coil of a monitor for power.  The darn thing lifted off the
 table like it was using antigravity drive!  Of course  the wire that was
 used to channel high voltage was used to ionized the air and the foil
 beneath it acted like an accelerator ring.  The smell of ozone was quite
 strong.  From what Chris said the aerodynamic effect would be only 1/3 the
 needed force to lift the device.  My theory would be that in conjunction
 with the air being excited and moving down.  I think the kinetic and
 electrostatic energy is imparted to the ionized air added to the thrust to
 lift up the frame.  If you ever seen those sharper image infomercials
 about the ionic breeze air fresheners, it's the same principle only much
 stronger in this case!

I've had a long-standing vision of using electrostatic force and using
ionized air as a source for propulsive force.  Since these guys are only
sophomores and not familiar with electronic technology;  I can safely say
 I have most of the expertise in building high powered power supplies.  It's
definately exciting to see something that was discovered back in the early
70's come back to the forefront and seriously considered for research!  I
just thought I'd noise around what I saw first hand.  We'll shoot a video
of it in action so I'll be badgering to get a copy of it.

Bug y'all later!

Jon :D

KR> Trims

[Ron Eason]

Yes, I am using it on my elevator and rudder.

KRron

- Original Message - 
From: "Phillip Matheson" 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 9:41 PM
Subject: Re: KR> Trims


> Could this trim unit be used on elevator trim
> http://www.globalav.com.au/productInfo.asp?productInfoID=30
> 
> 
> Phillip Matheson
> mathe...@dodo.com.au
> Australia
> VH PKR
> See our engines  and kits at.
> http://www.vw-engines.com/
> http://www.homebuilt-aviation.com/
> See my KR Construction web page at
> http://mywebpage.netscape.com/FlyingKRPhil/VHPKR.html
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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KR> Jim Irwin Sign On To Kr Net

[Ron Eason]

I second that statement.

KRron

-- Original Message --
From: "jscott.pi...@juno.com" 
Reply-To: KRnet 
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date:  Fri, 5 Nov 2004 15:05:47 GMT


Jim Irwin and his father before him have been responsible businessmen supplying 
parts for experimental and sport aircraft for as long as I've been around 
aircraft (30+ years).  

Jim simply stated the facts and may have kept some people from committing their 
funds to a deal that may not have been on the up and up.  As is typical of this 
forum, the messenger was berated rather than thanked for supplying the facts.

Most of the parts for my KR came from Aircraft Spruce because they had a better 
selection of parts and better prices on their parts.  With the volume sales 
that Aircraft Spruce can do, if they were allowed to legally discount the 
Garmin units, they would.  As a business man, it's got to be tough to lose 
sales to someone that is clearly in violation of the same contract you are 
abiding by.  It may not have been politically astute to inform the 500+ members 
of the KRNet that he had complained to Garmin about another dealer violating 
their sales contract, but as a member of the buying public, I would rather know 
that the other dealer is being underhanded.  I'd rather pay more to deal with 
an honest businessman than save a few dollars and deal with a crook.

Jeff Scott


Juno Platinum $9.95. Juno SpeedBand $14.95.
Sign up for Juno Today at http://www.juno.com!
Look for special offers at Best Buy stores.

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KR> ideas to monitor fuel transfer from wing tanks?

[Ron Eason]

I us a programmed relay switch to control my header tank level.  It's shown 
at my web site www.jrl-engineering.com I have a little $ investment in the 
componets and its made for my plane configuration.[ a right and left wing 
tank and a header tank with a float switch to signal the pumping sequence] 
I demoed the unit some years ago at a KR flyin. It's automatic and manual 
operated.

KRron 

KR> Mylar Gap Seals

[Ron Eason]

I am using heavy weight drawing Mylar that I purchased from a drafting 
supply house, frosted on one side.  I am cutting it in strips and epoxying 
the strips in place after fiberglassing the parts [ rudder, horz. stabilizer 
and etc.]  I then used a little epoxy filler to dress the seams flush and 
sand smooth.  Mylar will take painting just fine.

KRron

- Original Message - 
From: "Ron Butterfield" 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 9:47 AM
Subject: Re: KR> Mylar Gap Seals


> Mark Jones wrote:
>>  If anyone else knows where we can buy this in
>>lesser quantities or even in 4" wide rolls please speak up.
>
> This is untried, and I don't know if the cost per person is advantageous 
> or
> not, but in the interest of diseminating information, here goes:
>
> McMaster-Carr has an ultra high molecular weight polyethylene tape
> (hereafter known as UHMW) available that might well work in this
> application. It is available in .0045", .0065", and .0115" thicknesses, of
> which .0015" is adhesive. This is a very tough, slippery material, and the
> adhesive appears to be durable. It is available in widths of 1/2", 3/4",
> 1", 2", 3" and 6" (not 4", unfortunately).
>
> http://www.mcmaster.com/nav/enter.asp?pagenum=3197
>
> I've used it for a bearing surface here at work, where we have a very 
> heavy
> sliding door; I put it on the guide rail and it doesn't show any wear or
> signs of coming off after 7 years.
>
> Will this work on a plane? I don't know. One hassle is that it has 
> adhesive
> all the way across, and some way will have to be devised to keep it from
> binding on the aileron. If the thinner size is used, it could possibly be
> doubled on the half that is not meant to be stuck (kind of like a sideways 
> J).
>
>
> Regards,
> RonB
>
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KR> Gathering photos, finally...

[Ron Eason]

Tom Gleaser from Dawn Patrol fame brought the plane.  He already has a KR2 
but he like this copy also, so he has it now in the Dawn Patrol hanger.

KRron

- Original Message - 
From: "Brian Kraut" 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 10:16 PM
Subject: RE: KR> Gathering photos, finally...


>I noticed that the KR I sold to Brett from Hog Air made it to the gathering
> after I left and was sold.  Did anyone catch the name of the buyer?
>
> Brian Kraut
> Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
> www.engalt.com
>
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KR> Retracts

[Ron Eason]

They add a year or to the normal build time, but they look soo clean 
in flight w/o all that stuff hanging out there.
John's is a perfect example, his is reliable and relatively light.
I weighted mine after fabrication and the assy weighed the same as stock 
gears with my compressor and plastic air tubing and controls it's about 7 
lbs heavier. They deploy by gravity.
Allot of work to fit them up is required.

KRron

- Original Message - 
From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 7:35 PM
Subject: KR> Retracts


> Netters
>
> I am going to say something here that I hope doesn't offend. There is NO 
> WAY you can get a retract gear system that is safe and relaible to weigh 
> as little as my Dan Diehl fixed gear system.  Common sense tells you that 
> you have to have just as strong main gear legs so that is nearly the same, 
> wheels and tires and brakes, so that is the same.  Then, the part count 
> goes up on the retract because now we have to have the linkages or jack 
> screws, electric motor if that style, & wiring, hydraulic system if that 
> style, and indicator system for gear position.  The shear increase in part 
> count makes it obvious that the retract will weigh more, the question is 
> just how much more.  The coolness factor is not worth the added weight and 
> drop in performance.  Look at the Loehle P5151R vs the P5151. Same max 
> speed, 10 mph cruise speed increase.  For the KR1 no big deal, but for the 
> KR2, the added weight surely means lower payload.  Remember, added weight 
> in empty weight reduces payload because you still have the same gross 
> weight!  If Troy Pettiway, one of the fastest KRs flying, and Marty 
> Roberts, another fast one, and Steve Alderman, another fast one, felt that 
> they would get significant enough speed gains to make it worth the added 
> weight and time on this plane, trust me they would have put them on!  You 
> can install a Flight Director too in your KR and it will work, BUT does it 
> make sense and is it necessary to match the mission of the plane, or is it 
> just the latest greatest toy available and money is burning a hole in your 
> pocket.   If so, so be it.  But do not believe that you can make a retract 
> system come close to the same weight as a well designed fixed gear system. 
> That defies common sense.  Comparing a car's heavy duty leaf spring to my 
> light weight fiberglass gear legs is truly apples to oranges.
>
> Not trying to talk anyone out of doing it, just want you to see both sides 
> BEFORE you buy parts and change your install and begin cutting
>
> Colin & Bev Rainey
> KR2(td) N96TA
> Sanford, FL
> crain...@cfl.rr.com
> http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.html
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KR> Retracts - but they look soooooooooo clean in flight

[Ron Eason]

You only build it once, build it the way you want it.

KRron
- Original Message - 
From: "Dan Heath" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 8:59 PM
Subject: Re: KR> Retracts - but they look soo clean in flight 


> Yes, but when do you see them and which way does it look better at that
> time? Is it worth 2 years of sweat and time that you can't fly it? 
> 
> "There is a time for building and a time for FLYING, and the time for
> building has long since expired."
> 
> See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering http://KRGathering.org
> 
> See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics
> 
> Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC
> 
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KR> Thinning epoxy in the winter

[Ron Eason]

Some people ask me about this subject.  Here is something's to think about.

Thinning EpoxyThinning Epoxy
Thinning epoxy means lowering its viscosity. Low viscosity epoxy flows 
better,
is easier to roll or brush, and saturates fiberglass fabric quickly. There 
are
two methods of temporarily thinning epoxy. One is to heat the mixture and 
the
other is to add solvent to the mix. The goal of both methods is to reduce 
the
epoxy's viscosity.

Laboratory showed that adhesion to lower density wood species like Sitka 
spruce
or Douglas fir, the weak link is the cross grain strength of the wood. It 
does
not matter if the epoxy penetrates 1/4" into the wood or 5/1000". The 
strength
of the wood, the amount of surface area and the adhesive ability of the glue
determine the strength of a glue joint.

Thinning epoxy with heat
Heating the resin/ hardener components and then mixing them together results 
in
a thinned epoxy mixture that, when cured, retains all the characteristics of
epoxy cured at room temperature. The viscosity of epoxy is very sensitive to
changes in temperature, and warming the components (resin and hardener) 
and/or
the substrate substantially lowers its viscosity.

Potential Problems
Thinning epoxy with heat can create problems, warm epoxy cures much more 
quickly
than you may be accustomed to. Have things organized before you mix the 
resin
and hardener and move quickly. Use one of the slower hardeners to increase 
the
working time.   How warm is warm?

You should be able to comfortably touch the substrate or the component
containers when they are appropriately warmed, about 115°F maximum. 
Excessive
heat will cause the epoxy to harden too fast, especially in thick 
applications.

Thinning epoxy with solvent
Adding solvent is a simple method of thinning epoxy, but unlike heat, the
strength and moisture resistance of the cured epoxy are drastically 
affected.
There are a large number of chemicals available to thin epoxy - acetone, 
lacquer
thinner and denatured alcohol are the most commonly available and do a good 
job
of reducing viscosity. For a variety of reasons, "fast evaporating" lacquer
thinner appears to be more appropriate for thinning purposes than acetone or
alcohol.

·Adding 5% lacquer thinner makes about a 60% reduction in viscosity.
·Adding 5% lacquer thinner to epoxy reduces the epoxy's compressive
strength by 35%.
·The addition of more than 5% solvent results in an excessively 
flexible
cured material.
·Solvent thinned epoxy cannot be used as structural adhesive.
·Adding solvent extends the pot life and cure time and jeopardizes 
the
reliability and predictability of cure.
·Adding volatile solvent may cause shrinkage of the cured epoxy.
·Applying thinned epoxy in large, confined areas is likely to trap 
some
of the solvent.
·Adding solvents alters the color of the cured epoxy.
·The solvent used to thin epoxy may damage the substrate.
·Solvents may be hazardous to your health and proper ventilation is
mandatory.
·Adding solvent to epoxy to enhance fiberglass wet-out will result 
in
more "drain out" of the resin on a vertical surface. The fabric will wet-out
quickly but it may become resin starved when too much epoxy runs out of the
fabric.

Does thinning epoxy make sense?
In some situations, thinning is appropriate. In most circumstances using 
heat to
thin epoxy is preferred to using solvents. As long as the epoxy does not
overheat during cure, the full physical characteristics of the cured epoxy
remain.

Adding solvent is a quick, simple method of thinning epoxy, but the strength 
and
moisture resistance of the cured epoxy are significantly reduced.
So use this method on non-structural applications[such a epoxy microbloon 
fill]

© Gougeon Brothers, Inc. 

KR> IR Temp sensor

[Ron Eason]

http://www.jcwhitney.com/autoparts/ProductDisplay/s-10101/storeId-10101/p-7565/c-10101/catalogId-10101/TID-190003866GN1004

Check this out! The price is reasonable. [IR temp sensor]

KRron






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KR> heat shielding

[Ron Eason]

http://www.mmrusa.com/heatshield.htm

KR> Gathering expenses

[Ron Eason]

As if you haven't been told,  GOOD JOB and thanks.

KRron

- Original Message - 
From: "larry flesner" 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 7:12 AM
Subject: KR> Gathering expenses


>
>
> Gathering Attendees,
>
> I will be posting the final Gathering income/expense sheet to the
> Gathering web page in the next few days.  Thanks to the generous
> donations and good attendance at the banquet, the finances
> are in great shape.  The Gathering funds balance will have grown
> from $1864 going into this years Gathering to right at $2900
> for next year.  Awesome !!!  I think we may have reached the
> point that we can consider eliminating the "begging for funds"
> at the banquet.
>
> Most people attending the Gathering assumed I live locally. The
> fact is I live about 50 miles south of Mt.Vernon.  That made it
> rather expensive for me personally to host the Gathering.
> Eight to ten trips to airport board meetings, EAA chapter meetings,
> meeting with hotel people, caterer, airport manager, etc. were
> 100 mile round trips each.  Throw in the motel bill, an ink
> cartridge and phone calls and you can see where this is headed.
>
> I'm satisfied and I hope everyone is comfortable with me reimbursing
> myself $100 for expenses ( primarily the mileage, ink cartridge, and phone
> calls).  I'll cover my own motel bill as everyone else did.
>
> We didn't set a date for next years Gathering.  Most people assumed
> it will be the same time of year but we also have those that want an
> earlier date.  How do we resolve the issue?  Take a vote on the
> Gathering web page?  I don't want 20 e-mails a day on the net
> saying I want this date or I want that date.  I'll work something out
> with Bob Lee, the web page creator, and let everyone know.
>
> Thanks again to everyone that helped make the Gathering a huge
> success.  It certainly isn't a one man show.  YEE HA
>
>
> Larry Flesner
>
>
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KR> 1835 For Sale

[Ron Eason]

2nd Annual Liberty Landing Airport Flyin Oct. 16, 2004. Saturday 8 AM - till 
?.
Home of the world famous Dawn Patrol!!

Come on out and see what shows up.
There will be Kitfox's, Avids, Nieuports, Lolb's, Piper Vagabond, Colt, 
Cessnas, RV's just to mention a few.

Food Drink and Airplane talk.

Directions:

>From Independance 291 horth to old 210 Hwy. East 4 miles to Liberty Landing.

>From Up north south on 291 to old 2120 Hwy. east 4 mile to Liberty Landing.

Follow the signs GPS: N39-12 W094-28
Radio 122.75

Questions ro...@direcway.com or plr...@comcast.net...

KRron 

KR> Adjustable Rudder Pedals

[Ron Eason]

Loop the rudder cable back to the minor spar and put a turnbuckle in it, using 
rudder cable pullies. Tie the left rudder cable from the rudder to the left 
side of the loop and the right to the righe side.  By adjusting the trunbuckle 
you can adjust the peddle height.

KRron
-- Original Message --
From: "Mark Youkey" 
Reply-To: KRnet 
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date:  Sat, 25 Sep 2004 13:22:30 -0500

Has anyone built independantly adjustable rudder pedals, and if so how?

My wife and I have legs that are 4" different, so I'd like to make my pedals 
adjust at least that amount.  I've thought up many devices that could possibly 
make this happen, but in this stage of my thinking, they all seem fairly heavy 
and complex.

Thanks.

Mark Youkey
myou...@cox.net
Oklahoma City

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KR> strobes

[Ron Eason]

J.C. Whitney has 1,000,000, cpm strobe available and Great Planes also.  
Personnely I like Steves units.

KRron

-- Original Message --
From: "patrusso" 
Reply-To: KRnet 
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date:  Mon, 27 Sep 2004 12:31:13 -0400

The hotel business uses strobes in the hearing impaired rooms connected to
the fire alarm, They are hardwired (110 Volts) AND have 9 or 12 volt back
up. They are compact, light and fairley inexpensive but all have milk white
lense covers. Use your imagination on that. Check your local hotel Maintence
mgr for a source.
Pat
- Original Message -
From: "F Ross" 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 10:54 AM
Subject: Re: KR> strobes


> John,
> Joe Weber had his really nice, just completed KR at
> the Gathering and he has some good strobes which, I
> think, he said were easy to get and fairly
> inexpensive. Maybe he'll put in a word or so when he
> gets home and throws a log or two on his computer.
> Good to see you on the net again.
> Hope everything's well with you and yours.
> Frank
> --- John Esch  wrote:
>
> > All
> > Of the majority of KR builders, which strobe system
> > are people using?
> > I have found on Ebay a ground vehicle strobe system
> > and was wondering if it could be used for aircraft.
> >
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem=3931804307=
true
> >
> > Would this be a system worth looking into or at
> > least for the strobes?
> >
> > John Esch
> > KR-2SSW
> > Independence, OR (7S5)
>
>
> =
> Frank Ross,
> EAA Chapter 35,
> San Geronimo, TX
> RAF Lakenheath, Suffolk, England, UK
> Visit my photo album at:
> http://photos.yahoo.com/alamokr2
>
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KR> Pilots to control towers

[Ron Eason]

This is funny.

Pilots to control towers 

Here are some conversations that airline 
passengers normally will never hear. The following 
are accounts of actual exchanges between airline 
pilots and control towers from around the world. 
You may have read some of these before, but 
they're worth repeating. 

Exchange # 1 

Tower : "Delta 351,  you have traffic 
at 10 o'clock, 6 miles!" 

Delta 351: "Give us another hint! 
We have digital watches!" 

Exchange # 2 

"TWA 2341, for noise abatement turn 
right 45 Degrees." 

"Centre, we are at 35,000 feet. How much 
noise can we make up here?"

"Sir, have you ever heard the noise a 747 
makes when it hits a 727?" 

Exchange # 3 

>From an unknown aircraft waiting in a very 
long takeoff queue:  "I'm f...ing  bored!" 

Ground Traffic Control:  "Last aircraft transmitting, 
identify yourself immediately!" 

Unknown aircraft:  "I said I was f..king bored, not 
f..king stupid!" 

Exchange # 4 

O'Hare Approach  
Control to a 747: "United 329 heavy, your traffic is 
a Fokker, one o'clock,  three miles, Eastbound." 

United 239: "Approach, I've always  wanted to say 
this... I've got the little Fokker in sight." 

Exchange # 5 

A student became  lost during a solo cross-country flight. 
While attempting to locate the  aircraft on radar, ATC asked, 
"What was your last known position?" 
Student: "When I was number one for takeoff." 

Exchange # 6 

A DC-10 had come in a little hot and thus had an exceedingly 
long roll out after touching down.

San JoseTower Noted: "American 751, make a hard right turn 
at the end of the runway, if you are able. If you are not able, 
take the Guadalupe exit off Highway 101, make a right at the 
lights and return to the airport." 

Exchange # 7

There's a story about the military pilot calling for a priority 
landing because his  single-engine jet fighter was running 
"a bit peaked." 
Air Traffic Control told the fighter jock that he was number 
two, behind a B-52  that had one engine shut down. 
"Ah," the fighter pilot remarked, "The dreaded seven-engine 
approach" 

Exchange  # 8 

Taxiing down the tarmac, a DC-10 abruptly stopped, turned 
around and returned to the gate.  After an hour-long wait, it 
finally took off.  

A concerned passenger asked the flight attendant, "What, 
exactly, was the problem?" 

"The pilot was bothered by a noise he heard in the engine,"  
explained the flight attendant. "It took us a while to find a 
new pilot." 

Exchange # 9 

A Pan Am 727 flight  waiting for start clearance in Munich 
overheard the following: Lufthansa (in German) : "Ground, 
what is our start clearance time?" 

Ground (in English)  : "If you want an answer you must 
speak in English." 

Lufthansa (in English): "I am a German, flying a German 
airplane, in Germany.  Why must I speak English?" 

Unknown voice from another plane (in a beautiful British 
accent): "Because you lost the bloody war" 

Exchange # 10 

Tower: "Eastern 702,  cleared for takeoff, contact 
Departure on frequency 124.7" 

Eastern 702: "Tower,  Eastern 702 switching to 
Departure. By the way, after we lifted off we  saw 
some kind of dead animal on the far end of the runway." 

Tower: "Continental  635, cleared for takeoff behind 
Eastern 702, contact Departure on frequency  124.7. Did 
you copy that report from Eastern 702?" 

Continental 635:  "Continental 635, cleared for takeoff, roger; 
and yes, we copied Eastern...  we've already notified our 
caterers." 

Exchange # 11 

One day the pilot of  a Cherokee 180 was told by the 
tower to hold short of the active runway while  a DC-8 
landed. The DC-8 landed, rolled out, turned around, and 
taxied  back past the Cherokee. Some quick-witted 
comedian in the DC-8 crew got on the radio and said, 
"What a cute little plane.  Did you make it all by yourself?" 

The Cherokee pilot, not about to let the insult go by, came 
back with a real zinger: "I made it out of DC-8 parts. 
Another landing like yours and I'll have enough parts to build 
another one." 

Exchange # 12 

The German air controllers at Frankfurt Airport are renowned 
as a short-tempered lot.  They not only expect one to know 
one's gate parking location, but how to get  there without any 
assistance from them. So it was with some amusement that 
we (a Pan Am 747 crew) listened to the following exchange 
between Frankfurt ground control and a British Airways 747, 
call sign Speedbird 206. 

Speedbird 206: "Frankfurt, Speedbird 206 clear of active  
runway." 

Ground : "Speedbird 206. Taxi to gate Alpha One-Seven." 

The BA 747 pulled onto the main taxiway and slowed to a stop.

Ground : "Speedbird,  do you not know where you are going?" 

Speedbird 206:  "Stand by, Ground, I'm looking up our gate 
location now." 

Ground (with quite arrogant impatience): "Speedbird 206, have 
you not been to Frankfurt before?" 

Speedbird 206  (coolly): "Yes, twice in 1944, but it was dark, 
and I didn't land." 

Exchange # 13 

While taxiing at  London's Gatwick 

KR> Cylinder cooling problens

[Ron Eason]

Air entering a enclosure tends to cling to the surfaces that define the 
enclosure [it's called the corona effect].  By placing a screen that has a 
large free area [say 90% or 85%] in the lower velocity sections of the 
enclosure duct; will force the air to flow in the center or distribute the flow 
more envenly inside the duct.  It will add pressure drop though.  After the 
screen, add turning vanes to direct the flow down through the cylinders. This 
my solve the air distribution problems over the cylinders.  

We use this method of design in air duct design.

KRron


-- Original Message --
From: "Doug Rupert" 
Reply-To: KRnet 
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date:  Thu, 16 Sep 2004 10:11:18 -0400

Same type of setup used in many of the newer type turbo induction systems
for racing applications. They are used to help insure a more complete
mixture of gas and air.
Doug Rupert

Mike,

I think the purpose of vortex generators is to "create" turblent air,
hence the name.  If anything, you might want some baffles that
smooth out and direct the airflow.

Vortex generators on the wing creates a turbulent flow that helps
to keep the airflow "stuck" to the wing at higher angles of attach.

Larry Flesner



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KR> Gathering/spouse/get-together

[Ron Eason]

Larry,
Do you think anyone would be interested in taking a look at some new aluminum 
cylinders I am using on my VW?  I will bring them to the Gathering if anyone is 
interested. They are truly a work of art, CNC machined with a nickal fused 
lining.  Haven't started my engine assembly yet because I am sending parts out 
to be ceramic coated.

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KR> FYI from EAA

[Ron Eason]

Senator,

Please strongly oppose a newly introduced bill by Rep. Anthony Weiner 
(D-N.Y.)  Bill (H.R. 5035) would require the Department of Homeland Security 
to create a method of screening all passengers and property on each flight 
of all passenger aircraft in the U.S., including general aviation aircraft 
of all types. It would also prohibit any non-airline aircraft from flying 
within 1,500 feet of any structure or building, and prohibit non-airline 
aircraft from flying over any U.S. city with a population of 1 million or 
more. It would further require that pilots of all aircraft in U.S. airspace 
remain in contact with the Federal Aviation Administration, presumably by 
radio, regardless of altitude or location.

I am a GA pilot and believe this is un-nesessary, over-reactive  and be very 
expensive, in the name of Home Land Security.  We GA pilots are reponsible 
and follow the FAR's. We can do our own policing, and we do.

Sincerely,

Ron Eason
714KZ 

KR> New Mystery Navy jet

[Ron Eason]

This is exciting!

Ron

-- Original Message --
From: "rparker" 
Reply-To: rparker , KRnet 
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date:  Mon, 13 Sep 2004 08:13:24 -0500

FYI, 

I just received 2 picture of what could be the Aurora aircraft. 

I have a couple of friends looking into it. I posted them to one of my 
websites. thought you guys might be interested in seeing it if you havent 
already.


http://www.vsoep.com/Aurora1.jpg

http://www.vsoep.com/Aurora2.jpg

Anybody think they can make their KR look like it?

Rich Parker
Peterborough, NH




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KR> More on U.S. Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-N.Y.

[Ron Eason]

Shortsighted ... ridiculous ... outrageous ... lunacy ... these are just a few 
of the terms that quickly filled the air after U.S. Rep. Anthony Weiner 
(D-N.Y.) introduced a bill into the House last week that would impose onerous 
security procedures on general aviation. The bill (H.R. 5035) would require the 
Department of Homeland Security to ensure the screening of all passengers and 
property on each flight of every passenger aircraft in the U.S. -- including 
general aviation aircraft of all types. It would also prohibit any non-airline 
aircraft from flying within 1,500 feet of any structure or building and 
prohibit non-airline aircraft from flying over any U.S. city with a population 
of 1 million or more. Land of the free, home of the brave. It would further 
require that pilots of all aircraft in U.S. airspace remain in contact with the 
FAA, presumably by radio, regardless of altitude or location. "It's sad that 
the solemn anniversary of the 9/11 terrorist attacks is being used to introduce 
this bill, which does nothing to enhance security and smacks of election-year 
grandstanding," said EAA's Doug Macnair, vice president of government 
relations. "Preposterous, unrealistic, and unnecessary," were the choice words 
from AOPA President Phil Boyer. "General aviation is not a threat. The TSA has 
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KR> Urethane Foam

[Ron Eason]

Yes, be careful of the foam not being 100% cured. Watch out for the proper 
density.  If you install "green" [uncured] foam it will out gas under the 
fiberglass and form a gas bubble under the skin.  The same goes for uncured 
resin.  Make sure the density is right.
The foam can be post cured by heating it to about 140 deg F for 4 to 6 
hours.
I have tested foam years ago for insulation quality and dimension stability, 
adhesion and strength for construction building panels and roof insulation. 
GM installed some green uncured foam on a large plant and 2 acres of foam 
had to be removed and replaced because the contractor brought cheep foam. 
The foam went on nice and even but when the hot sun worked on it for a few 
days, gas bubbles were all over the roof.

Be aware or be square.

KRron


- Original Message - 
From: "Dean Cooper" 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 4:37 PM
Subject: KR> Urethane Foam


> Netters,
>
> I just got off the phone with an old friend of mine (who I haven't talk to
> in several years) who is in the insulation business here in Jax.  I was
> looking for urethane foam in bulk thicknesses.  He said he gets it in bun
> sizes 41"x 29"x 96" long and can cut it to any specifications I need.  His
> price is $0.50 (US) per board foot (12x12x1) or $6 per cubic foot.  That
> appears to be about 40% cheaper than Wicks with no shipping since I would
> pick it up.  It would also be great to have one soild piece of foam for 
> the
> leading and trailing edges for the wings.
>
> Is there anything I should be looking for or cautious of when buying this
> from a non-aviation parts company?  I looked through the archives and
> couldn't find anything specific to this question.  Thoughts?
>
> See you in Mt. Vernon!
>
> Dean Cooper
> Jacksonville, FL
> Email me at dean_coo...@bellsouth.net
> See my KR project at www.geocities.com/djramccoop1/KR2_Home.html
>
>
>
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KR> Type 4 Engine Buildup

[Ron Eason]

I believe you can buy a silicon insulation jacket for the hot side of the 
turbo.  They come in colors.  Try Jaggs.

KRron










Sent via the WebMail system at jrl-engineering.com

KR> Re: KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 95

[Ron Eason]

I am ceramic coating my headers and buying a hot side silicon insulation for 
the turbo.  Try Jet Hot or PolyDyn both are .com web sites.

KRron

- Original Message - 
From: 
To: 
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 12:41 AM
Subject: KR> Re: KRnet Digest, Vol 346, Issue 95


> In a message dated 8/29/2004 3:54:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> krnet-requ...@mylist.net writes:
> "cooling the turbo reduces its efficiency."
>
>
> Orma
>
>Yes, you want to keep to turbo and the exhaust pipes hot as you will 
> lose
> velocity in the moving exhaust gas as it cools. Remember hot air is big 
> and
> will shrink as it cools (not the thing you want when using exhaust 
> pressure
> spin a turbo) A trick it to use header wrap on the housing and pipes this 
> will
> reduce the temps out side the wrap while keeping the exhaust gas hot.
> I have used this wrap many times in auto applications and it is amazing 
> how
> much heat it reflects back in to the exhaust. On one Honda civic B16 
> conversion
> I did the header is 1/2 inch from the radiator fan and after wrapping the
> header you can touch it without burning your hand. Tip soak the wrap first 
> before
> you wrap your pipes it conforms much better wet.
> Then hose clamp the ends and soak with hi temp paint and you will have a 
> nice
> insulated pipe that will hold up to the elements better.
>
> "People who say it cannot be done should not interrupt those who are doing
> it." George Bernard Shaw, (1856-1950) Irish playwight and winner of the 
> Nobel
> Prize for Literature 1925 Yours Bill White Alexandria VA
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KR> Turbo KR operators

[Ron Eason]

I am using a Blowoff valve on the inlet manifold [compressor side] and a
manual wastegate on the turbo side. Most modern turbo engines use protection
like this for over when the load on the engine changes rapidly. [prop
unloads, throttle changes and etc.]. I will have some photo when I finish
the assembly.

KRron

- Original Message - 
From: "Orma" 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 7:36 PM
Subject: KR> Turbo KR operators


> Hello Net
>
> As I requested yesterday, I would also like to hear from all operators
that have a homebuilt plane with a Volkswagen with a turbo.  I want to know
how you use and or control the boost in your plane.
>
> Orma
> Southfield, MI
> N110LR celebrating 20 years
> To the gathering or bust
>
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KR> Turbo KR operators

[Ron Eason]

- Original Message - 
From: "Ron Eason" <r...@jrl-engineering.com>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 8:18 PM
Subject: Re: KR> Turbo KR operators


> I am using a Blowoff valve on the inlet manifold [compressor side] and a
> manual wastegate on the turbo side. Most modern turbo engines use
protection
> like this for overboost  when the load on the engine changes rapidly.
[prop
> unloads, throttle changes and etc.]. I will have some photo when I finish
> the assembly.
>
> KRron
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Orma" <o...@aviation-mechanics.com>
> To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 7:36 PM
> Subject: KR> Turbo KR operators
>
>
> > Hello Net
> >
> > As I requested yesterday, I would also like to hear from all operators
> that have a homebuilt plane with a Volkswagen with a turbo.  I want to
know
> how you use and or control the boost in your plane.
> >
> > Orma
> > Southfield, MI
> > N110LR celebrating 20 years
> > To the gathering or bust
> >
> >
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> >
>
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KR> Turbo KR operators

[Ron Eason]

Blowoff systems are commonly used on fuel injected systems.  Some blowoff 
valves recycle the discharge to the intake however.

KRron

- Original Message - 
From: "Rich Seifert" 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 10:19 PM
Subject: Re: KR> Turbo KR operators


> Orma
>I've only seen a few Turb installations besides my own and they have 
> all
> been the same as mine.  I use a draw through system and control boost by
> throttle alone.  The turbo must be properly sized to be effective.  I have
> 560 hours on my installation and would not bother with other methods 
> unless
> you plan to let a lot of inexperianced pilots fly your machine.  Blowoff
> systems would be my last choice because of the danger of fire.
> It works for me!
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Orma" 
> To: "KRnet" 
> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 5:36 PM
> Subject: KR> Turbo KR operators
>
>
> Hello Net
>
> As I requested yesterday, I would also like to hear from all operators 
> that
> have a homebuilt plane with a Volkswagen with a turbo.  I want to know how
> you use and or control the boost in your plane.
>
> Orma
> Southfield, MI
> N110LR celebrating 20 years
> To the gathering or bust
>
>
>
>
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KR> sport aviation magazines on the kr

[Ron Eason]

Where did you get this list? Are these articles available from Sport 
Aviation?

KRron

- Original Message - 
From: 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 5:36 PM
Subject: KR> sport aviation magazines on the kr


> HI all this is the complete list on the Kr.   some are posted on don
> reids site but just a couple I have some but I love to read  Kr stuff 
> maybe we can
> find out who's got what and send it to don to up date his site. some are
> pretty cool i have tom crawfords 7 pages  just a thought what do you 
> guys
> think thats alot of good reading mac n1055a
> 20010771Sport AviationVirtual Creation: A new airfoil for the KR-2S (5 
> pgs)
> 20010767Sport AviationOne in a Two: Pete Rafferty makes more room in his 
> KR-2
> (4 pgs)
> 20010798Sport AviationBill Gaudlip's KR-2 (photo & caption)
> 20001294Sport AviationDavid Feiger's KR-2 (photo & caption)
> 20001137ExperimenterEngine Q & A: Considering VW motor for KR-2
> 990242Sport AviationTom Crawford's KR-2 (7 pages w/ color photos)
> 9902122Sport AviationBryson KR-2S, nose wheel, 2180 VW (photo & caption)
> 950922Sport AviationA Couple of KR's - Fixed Gears Are Now The Choice Of 
> KR
> Builders
> 950631Sport AviationTaildragger and tri-gear at Sun `n Fun `95 (Photo and
> Caption only)
> 940766Sport AviationMarsh stretched fuselage on 2S
> 940478Sport AviationGear door prevents lowering gear
> 9403108Sport AviationDaniel KR-2 w/trigear
> 9401100Sport AviationKewley KR-2 w/fixed trigear, VW
> 931036Sport AviationSubaru 1800cc with Ross planetary reduction
> 930738Sport AviationKR-2S stretched, tri-gear
> 930395Sport AviationRutan KR-2 with fixed gear, sliding canopy
> 930235ExperimenterBeware of fuel valve location
> 930110Sport AviationDiehl KR fixed gear recall
> 930128Sport AviationCarroll KR-2, "Dumbo" with full electric, VW
> 9210118Sport AviationVan Deen Heuval S. Africa KR, fixed gear
> 920992Sport AviationRosenau Firebird - modified KR-2
> 920795Sport AviationHunter KR-2 w/Revmaster 2100
> 920493Sport AviationToth KR-2 w/tri-gear
> 910906Sport AviationMiller fixed gear KR-2
> 910938ExperimenterSvarre/Jensen Danish modified KR-2
> 910714Sport AviationAircraft Spruce exclusive distributor
> 910310Sport AviationKR computer bulletin board
> 910180Sport AviationGoudeau KR-2 with fixed gear, Glasair canopy, etc
> 9011102Sport AviationVaughn KR-2 with Limbach 2000U, 80hp
> 9007102Sport AviationToth KR-2 w/Revmaster 2100-D
> 900657Sport AviationLam KR-2 - Full Span Flaps & Spoilers
> 900359Sport AviationChase KR-2 - VW 2 Liter Engine & Fixed Gear
> 891131Sport AviationSummary of KR-2 Accidents - Canadian
> 891056Sport AviationLouie Brochetti Fixed Gear KR-2
> 881196Sport AviationSteeves KR-2 - Good Performer with 2180 cc VW
> 880748Sport AviationDolph Overtons KR-21
> 880709Sport AviationKR-100 (100 hp, Fixed Gear Verson of KR2)
> 880496Sport AviationSkiles KR-2, With T18 Canopy
> 880338ExperimenterDisconnected Trim Tab Causes Crash
> 880138Sport AviationDesign Analysis - KR-2
> 8710104Sport AviationRoberts Highly Modified KR-2 with 0290
> 870911Sport AviationKR Fixed Gear and Hydraulic Brake Kit
> 870543Sport AviationIrish KR-2 Stretched 11-1/4"
> 870546Sport AviationSpeed Brake for KR-2
> 870297Sport AviationVan Tassel KR-2 Fixed, Spatted Gear, Lyc. 65 HP
> 870196Sport AviationEd Fernandez KR-2
> 861239Sport AviationEffect of Weight on Aircraft Performance
> 861197Sport AviationJones KR-2 with 1600cc VW
> 860939Light Plane WorldGear Collapses on KR-2
> 860808Sport AviationRand Robinson Moves (NOTE)
> 860439Light Plane WorldFlight Inexperience Causes KR-2 Crash
> 860354Sport AviationInstalling Limbach Engine in KR-2
> 860390Sport AviationMike Lamb's Tri-Gear KR-2
> 860306Sport AviationNew KR Coming - Larger, with 100 HP
> 860245Sport AviationEldridge KR-2, Elliptical Wing Tips, HAPI VW
> 850968Sport AviationForming a Windshield
> 850967Sport AviationMaking a Laminated Windshow Bow (or any other bow);
> Laying up a Fiberglass Turtledeck
> 850808Sport AviationFixed Gear Version
> 850654Sport AviationJohn Stoltz Tri-Gear
> 850654Sport AviationJohn Shaffer's Tri-Gear
> 850543Sport AviationMcClain KR-2 With Many Changes
> 850307Sport AviationKR-2 Wing and Tail Surface Skins Developed
> 841226Sport AviationPaul Scoville's Turbo Revmaster KR-2
> 840954Sport AviationDonald Moore's KR-2 built for easy maintenance
> 831220Sport AviationLarry Montgomery's KR-2 with Duty 1834 VW
> 831082Sport AviationFuel Dissolves Epoxy Fuel Tank
> 830854Sport AviationGarveriek KR-2 with 1800cc VW
> 830534Sport AviationRiibe KR-2 with Sliding Canopy and 1835 HAPI engine
> 830318Sport AviationJohanson KR-2 with Raised Turtle Deck and Gull-Wing 
> Doors
> 830319Sport AviationBalfour KR-2 Two-Place Tandem Version
> 820826Sport AviationBrian Henneman's KR-2
> 820536Sport AviationSmith KR-2 with A-75 and Winglets
> 820357Sport AviationPrice KR-2 with Long Wings, 64 gallon fuel
> 820107Sport AviationTri-gear, Retract, 

KR> EAA Next Century of Flight update

[Ron Eason]

Although total estimated attendance figures show a 10- to 12-percent
decrease from the enormous 770,000 figure from 2003, due to weather,
economic factors and other reasons, EAA President Tom Poberezny found little
over which to be disappointed following this year's event.
"Everyone associated with this year's EAA AirVenture, be it members,
visitors, exhibitors or sponsors, was very pleased with the enthusiasm and
activity throughout the grounds," Poberezny said. "A near-record number of
vendors throughout the grounds reported brisk sales and interest, while
visitor surveys show their experiences were overwhelmingly positive. EAA
again brought together the world of flight for a celebration that is
unmatched anywhere else in the world for its size and scope."

EAA AirVenture's activities attracted such luminaries as Harrison Ford, Burt
Rutan, Mike Melvill and Paul Tibbets to the event, while more than 10,000
airplanes (including nearly 2,500 showplanes) made the trek to the annual
fly-in. In addition, EAA members enjoyed more focused activities than ever,
primarily based around the new EAA Member Village in the center of the
grounds.

Among the final figures for the event were:

  a.. More than 10,000 airplanes from North America, Europe, South America,
Africa and Australia;
  b.. Among those airplanes were nearly 2,500 showplanes that were eligible
for judging in one of 11 different categories;
  c.. A near-record 802 commercial exhibitors (record: 807 in 2003);
  d.. More than 30,000 campers housed along the EAA AirVenture flight line
in aircraft camping areas or in the drive-in
  e.. Camp Scholler facility adjacent to the flight line;
  f.. Approximately 700 reporters from five continents, sending coverage
worldwide;
  g.. In excess of 4,000 volunteers who contributed more than 250,000 hours
of service
  h.. A total of 1,429 international aviation enthusiasts from 61 nations
who registered at the International Visitors Tent (top three nations: Canada
438, Germany 144, Australia 117).
"Along with the basic facts and figures, EAA AirVenture is a remarkable
event because it truly does bring together all of aviation, including every
facet of recreational flight," Poberezny said. "In addition, the nation's
top policymakers such as the top officials from FAA, NASA and NTSB, as well
as leading Congressional representatives, came to Oshkosh. Those
relationships built and strengthened by EAA here pay dividends for all of
aviation throughout the year."

A special highlight of this year's event was the introduction of the new
sport pilot/light-sport aircraft rule, a much-anticipated set of regulations
that will open the world of recreational flight to many more people by
reducing time and cost barriers. FAA Administrator Marion Blakey spent two
days at Oshkosh, emphasizing the new opportunities available through sport
pilot.

Additional details of individual events and highlights from this year's
event are available at the EAA AirVenture web site (www.airventure.org).
Currently, EAA AirVenture 2005 is scheduled for July 26-August 1, although
finalized dates and theme will be announced later this year.

  Rutan and Melvill Tell SpaceShipOne Story
  By Jack Hodgson


Burt Rutan, right, watches as Mike Melvill presents Tom Poberezny
with one of the two $20 bills he took into suborbital space in SpaceShipOne
on June 21. Photo by Dan Luft


  Groundbreaking aeronautics designer, popular EAA AirVenture forum
presenter, and EAA member, Burt Rutan, made his first public appearance at
EAA AirVenture Oshkosh 2004 Thursday night at a packed Theater in the Woods
session.
  After an evening of award presentations, Rutan took the stage at 9 p.m. to
a standing ovation. With the help of his friend, and the world's newest
astronaut, Mike Melvill, he kept the overflow crowd, which had people
standing 5-10 deep all around the perimeter of the theater, enthralled for
the next two hours.

  He spent the first 10 minutes reporting on the GlobalFlyer project, which
he described as "this decade's Voyager." His company, Scaled Composites, is
building the aircraft for aviation adventurer Steve Fossett.

  Fossett plans to use GlobalFlyer, which is being sponsored by Richard
Branson's Virgin Atlantic, to attempt a first-ever solo, unrefueled flight
around the world.

  The plane is still in flight testing, but they hope to attempt the flight
next winter.

  Burt played a short video of the GlobalFlyer roll-out, which showed the
aircraft in the Scaled hangar surrounded by special effects fog and flashing
blue lights.

  Rutan described the flashy production as having been produced in
"Mojavewood."

  Then Rutan came to the part of the evening that the crowd was waiting for.
He introduced Melvill, who came onstage to the second standing ovation of
the evening, and they spent the next hour and three-quarters in a
fascinating description of the project's goals, philosophies, activities,
and future plans.

  Melvill kicked off the 

KR> Not a KR, but pretty amazing

[Ron Eason]

Fantastic!!! I saw these engines at the Oshkosh 2004, one was as large as
150 lb. thrust engine. That may work of a experimental [$28,000.00 ea.]
KRron
- Original Message - 
From: "Dan Heath" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 5:39 PM
Subject: KR> Not a KR, but pretty amazing


> If you have a high speed connection and want to see something real cool,
> click on this link. I have played it and saw no problem with the file. It
> did not load anything on my machine and I think you can use the IE browser
> (if new enough) to play it. It is a B52 RC plane with real jet engines.
> Maybe they could power a KR.
>
> http://www.mcgirt.net/RC/VIDEOS/Giant_B52/B52_flight2.wmv
>
> "There is a time for building and a time for GOING TO THE GATHERING, and
the
> time for building has long since expired."
>
> See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering http://KRGathering.org
>
> See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics
>
> Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC
>
>
>
>
>
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@WL KR> tortional loads +early friday

[Ron Eason]

I have a retractable Tri-gear under construction at www.jrl-engineering.com
on the hanger page.  Photos are old now the plane is on the gears now, I am
working on the canopy and instrument panel.  I will update them when I have
enough time, it's not a priority for me at this time.

KRron

- Original Message - 
From: "gleone" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 4:15 PM
Subject: Re: @WL KR> tortional loads +early friday


> I remember seeing a picture of a KR-2 with retractable tricycle gear.  The
> problem is, I don't remember where.  Anyway, if anyone else remembers
seeing
> that picture and (hopefully when and where), you might want to track down
> the builder of that plane and ask how he/she did it.  All I remember is it
> was within the last year or two.
>
> Gene Leone, Worland, Wyoming
>
> When you give a lesson in meanness to a critter or a person, don't be
> surprised if they learn their lesson.
> ---Original Message---
>
> From: KRnet
> Date: 08/05/04 14:52:51
> To: krnet
> Subject: @WL KR> tortional loads +early friday
>
> Hi KR heads
> As some of you know, I am working on a full retract tricycle gear on my
> rendition of a KR2S. Tonight I went to look at some wood for the forward
> outer spars at a friend of mine who is a very respected person in the
> experimental world over here.
> I was discussing the retract system with him and he brought up a point
that
> I had not considdered at all. As my retract system requires that the
bottom
> wing skin of the stubwings be split basically from root to outboard end in
> order for the gear to retract into the wing. This means that the bottom
skin
> will no linger be continuous between the spars.
>
> My question is: What, if any, tortional loads does the skin carry under
> normal conditions due to forces applied by ailerons, etc. and what effect
> will the splitting of the skin in order to accomodate the gear have on
wing
> strength.
>
> As a bit of background, my gear will consist of a 1.5" 4130 tube between
the
> spars supported each end by a bearing mounted in a piece of aluminuim that
> bolts onto the spars by picking up the W.A.F bolts. To this tube will be
> another 1.5" tube welded at 90* to it forming the gear leg. At the bottom
of
> this will be a trailing link arrangement with a damper. The tube between
> the spars will be mounted almost at the outboard end of the stubwings and
> the gear will retract towards the fuselage just clearing it to sit
> completely inside the wing.
>
> Any thoughts from those in the know will be greatly appreciated.
> Thank you
> next day:
> On a less serious note, I was fortunate enough to have had the "WHISPER"
> experience today. After work I was invited to go on a "test" flight for
> about half an hour down the coast here. This plane is remarkable. I was
> amased when Russell (the designer,builder ) let go of the stick
> immediately as the tail came off the groung and the plane just took off
and
> flew straight ahead in a steady climb all by itself! Takeoff roll was less
> than 80metres with a 13 knot headwind! Deploying the spoilers on final
> brings the glide slope from 28:1 down to 8:1, feels like the seat has
fallen
> out of the bottom of the plane.
> For more info see my signature line.
> Dene Collett
> KR2S-RT builder
> Port Elizabeth
> South Africa
> mailto: dene.coll...@telkomsa.net
> P.S: checkout www.whisperaircraft.com
>
>
>
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KR> KR inspections

[Ron Eason]

The EAA  Tech Counselor I had did not sign-off anything but suggested
improvements, additions and corrections to what I was doing.  I have a
tendency to over build, make super strong and add to much weight.  He made
constructive suggestions and I took his advice.

KRron

- Original Message - 
From: "Bernard McLean Sr" 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 1:25 PM
Subject: Re: KR> KR inspections


> I have kept fairly meticulous photo and written logs of all the
> construction steps to date but have been unsuccessful in locating an EAA
> Tech Counselor willing to inspect/sign off on any work done on my KR 2.
> I guess I'll keep plugging away doing the best I can and keeping the
> best records I can and wait for the "shoes to drop"
> See you at Mount Vernon.
> Bernie McLean
> Poplar Grove IL
>
>
>
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>

KR> Tech Counselors

[Ron Eason]

Very good Scott.  I did not want to go into all that detail.  It is the way
I understand the program also.

KRron

- Original Message - 
From: 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 4:18 PM
Subject: Re: KR> Tech Counselors


>
> Let's clear up a few misconceptions about the Tech Counselor program.
>
> Tech counselors don't sign off anything.  They fill out a nice little
piece of paper that gets filed with the EAA.  You also get a copy to keep
with your logs and the tech counselor gets a copy to keep in his files.
That piece of paper will have the tech counselors comments and
recommendations, as well as the builders signature.
>
> There is absolutely no requirement for any inspections other than the
final airworthiness inspection.  Three or more inspections by a Tech
counselor will help you get an initial discount on your insurance, or may
help you to obtain hull coverage on your aircraft if it is insured with the
EAA's underwriter, currently Falcon Insurance.  The Tech Counselor
inspections are meaningless to most other insurance underwriters as well as
the FAA.
>
> The Tech Counselors are only there as a technical resource based on their
experience with various types of construction.  It's too bad that many of
you have problems getting them to come look over your projects.  As a Tech
Counselor, I always view an inspection as an opportunity to learn.  I've
never come away from an inspection without learning something new.
>
> It is far more important to have someone knowledgeable lay their eyes on
your project than it is to have a blessed "EAA Technical Counselor" look at
your future flying machine.  The jist of the program is to assist you in
building a safer aircraft with the advice of an experienced builder.  If you
get that advice from someone that lacks the EAA's blessing, it matters not
to the FAA.  Only to Falcon Insurance.
>
> One last comment based on my experience with the program.  Invariably,
those that ask for inspections are usually doing impeccable work.  Those
planes in the area that I know are under construction but have never
contacted a Tech counselor are usually poor quality.  Then there are a few
in between that are genuinely interested in learning to build a better
plane, but realize that they are short on some critical pieces of knowledge.
Sometimes I don't have the answers they are looking for, but I can almost
always find them a very knowledgeable resource.
>
> Jeff Scott
> Los Alamos, NM
>
>
>
> 
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KR> Engine Gage resource

[Ron Eason]

Go to www.curtisinst.com and have a look at these industrial gages. I
brought one for inspection and find the of good quality.

I am off to Oschosh tonignt and returning Sunday.  Hope to see some guys
wearing KR garb.

KRron

KR> Oshkosh Attendance

[Ron Eason]

I attended and it was a great event. For those who did not go because of the
reason below, you missed one of the best events ever.  Don't let you pride
get in the way of making a good decision.  You can pickup good buys on
equipment new and used.
Allot of you have questions about building and this is where you can get
real good advice.  The forums are an example.

Just my observation,

KRron

- Original Message - 
From: "Dan Heath" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 4:46 AM
Subject: Re: KR> Oshkosh Attendance


> As we have been telling you all along, if you want to see KRs, you have to
> come to the gathering.  The KR got shunned by the EAA at it's 20th
> anniversary and I do believe that a lot of the older guy who tried to
> participate that year remember it and really don't want to go back.
>
> Come to the gathering and you will see KRs.
>
> "There is a time for building and a time for GOING TO THE GATHERING, and
the
> time for building has long since expired."
> See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering  http://KRGathering.org
> See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics
> Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC
>
>
> ---Original Message---
>
> From: KRnet
> Date: 07/29/04 18:57:13
> To: kr...@mylist.net
> Subject: KR> Oshkosh Attendance
>
>   Hi, I just have to throw this out there.  I was just shy of making it to
> the meeting  Tues., very disappointed since I missed it last year also,
but
> mostly disappointed in the poor, or should I say no attendance of any
> aircraft AGAIN, I will make an effort however to be in Illinois
>
>
>
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KR> EAA, flybys, Gathering

[Ron Eason]

I attended Oshkosh, and went to the chapter officer meeting, and according
to what I heard Tom P say, the EAA is changing direction.  General Aviation
population is declining.. The Sport Plane class of planes are the future of
building the next generation of General Aviation people and our political
base.  I heard him say it is vitally important to encourage home building
and light plane innovation because of the out of control cost of certified
planes and conventional economics of the past 50 years.  I also believe if
future general aviation is to survive we must inspire the next generation
with affordable aircraft and skills to keep it flying. How better to do that
Oshkosh?

KRron

- Original Message - 
From: "Oscar Zuniga" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 5:33 PM
Subject: KR> EAA, flybys, Gathering


> Folks, don't expect EAA to be able to accommodate type clubs or group
> fly-bys at Oshkosh anymore.  They've gotten way beyond that point unless
> (like the Bonanza guys or the warbirds) it's extra impressive.  A
milestone
> anniversary for a design/type would be hard to get them to approve (unless
> you're a mass fly-by of RV's).  It's far better, and more rewarding, to
have
> type gatherings such as the KR Gathering at a more friendly venue among
> friends and aficionados of the type.
>
> The Pietenpol is celebrating its 75th anniversary this year, and had an
> overwhelming turnout at the Brodhead gathering (the "KR Gathering" of the
> Pietenpol world).  But can you imagine what would happen if the Piet guys
> staged a fly-by at Oshkosh?  At 60-65 MPH, it would take forever to get
them
> all together, and people would nod off to sleep as they droned by.  Don't
> get me wrong; I'm a Piet owner myself, but the big shows are just not
> interested in little stick airplanes anymore.  If it costs under $35K or
so,
> has no international marketing or presence, isn't sold in a blister-pack
kit
> with a complete instructional video and connect-the-dots construction
> manual, it won't get to first base.
>
> If you want attention for your KR, come fly over Crawford, TX and you'll
get
> it.  Try a low pass at treetop height, flat out at 200 MPH so you can see
> the earphones in the Secret Service guys' ears.  You will have instant,
> national recognition for your KR
>
> do not archive
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildr...@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
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KR> EAA groups/assistance

[Ron Eason]

Our chapter [Roosterville] is a good chapter now, how ever, it use to be
pretty boring.  We now have CFI's,A's, IA's, builders and they are active
with 50% or more at meetings they are serious about EAA's image.  It takes
involvement and you need to express your individual interest to promote
dialog in the group.  I agree, there is a lot of social activities to
promote aviation and that is good and necessary because that is the only way
the public has any contact with our interest.

KRron
- Original Message - 
From: "larry flesner" 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 8:09 AM
Subject: KR> EAA groups/assistance


>
>   Anyway, it has made my mind up that membership is for bragging rights
> only and I get 10 times the value for my money from AOPA than EAA.
> >Colin Rainey
> +++
>
> Colin,
>
> Sorry to hear you're not getting the assistance you're looking for.  Each
> EAA chapter will be as different as the people that make it up.  Each
> chapter however should have a Tech councilor(s) that can provide you
> with the guidance  or info you're looking for.  If they don't know they
> should know who knows.  Find out who they are and contact them
> directly with your request.
>
> We have three chapters here in southern Illinois and each one is as
> different as any three churches on the block.  One is a large group
> of mostly older members with a lot of expertise, another is a
> smaller group of mostly builders, and the third is group that is very
> active in local airport affairs as well as putting on several fly-ins,
> promoting Young Eagles and recognizing veterans.
>
> The help is out there, you just have to root it out.
>
> Larry Flesner
>
>
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KR> Cotronics Corp

[Ron Eason]

For those interested in high temperature materials [ I use some of these 
materials for my fire wall].

KRRon
  - Original Message - 
  From: Renee Bernstein 
  To: r...@jrl-engineering.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 2:06 PM
  Subject: Cotronics Corp


  Dear Ronald

  Please note the data that you requested is attached for your review
  you can also view our high temp catalog at 
www.cotronics.com/catalog/01index.htm

  Please advise if we can assist you further

  Renee Bernstein

KR> Aircraft Spruce

[Ron Eason]

I've never had any problems in the years I've been dealing with ACS.

KRron

- Original Message - 
From: "Aircraft Spruce" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 1:03 PM
Subject: KR> Aircraft Spruce


> From: Jim Irwin   
> To: kr...@mylist.net 
> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 9:30 AM
> Subject: Aircraft Spruce
> 
> Mark-
>  
> I saw the posting to the KR group about your recent
> order and want to extend my apology for the mistakes
> make in processing the order. Apparently you called
> back after placing the order to delete an item and add
> something else, and somehow the ball was dropped
> between our sales rep and the warehouse, resulting in
> the delay in shipment. I understand that you spoke
> with Carolyn a couple of times today and advised her
> that two items were not in the order(of course the
> items you needed most!) and she is shipping them UPS
> Red prepaid for delivery to you tomorrow.
>  
> I want to assure you that we value your business very
> much and that Aircraft Spruce is committed to l00%
> satisfaction and same day shipment of every order. We
> ship thousands of orders each week and we do meet our
> goals on almost all orders, but if a problem occurs,
> we will always resolve it as quickly as possible. Jeff
> Scott let us know of the problem he had in ordering
> Bracket air filters on-line, and we fixed that issue
> today. I trust that the shipment tomorrow will resolve
> the problems with your recent order, but let us know
> if there is anything that still needs to be addressed.
>  
> I do hope that we have the opportunity to serve you in
> the future so that we can perform according to our
> Mission Statement and earn some positive comments to
> the KR group. Thanks again for your patience on this
> one!
>  
> Regards,
>  
> Jim Irwin
> President, Aircraft Spruce
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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KR> Wing incidence with RAF-48?

[Ron Eason]

Make your choice wisely, because you will live with it for a long time.  A
plane flies at many different speeds.
What ever incidence you chose it will be wrong for other speeds / air
densities.

KRron

- Original Message - 
From: "Duncan" 
To: "krnet" 
Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 2:18 AM
Subject: KR> Wing incidence with RAF-48?


> Hi,
> I have been following the discussion occasioned by the AS-family or
> aerofoils and the 1 degree incidence recommendation, but does this also
> apply to aircraft fitted (or about to be fitted) with the RAF-48 airfoils
> (ie the Diehl wing skins)?
>
> Regards,
>
> Duncan of Devonport
> Auckland, New Zealand
>
>
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KR> Attending Oshkosh

[Ron Eason]

I will be on the same schedule and will be camping. I usually meet friends
at the donut shop around 7 or 8AM. We know one another by our hats usually
or T shirts.

KRron

- Original Message - 
From: 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 1:52 PM
Subject: Re: RE: KR> Attending Oshkosh


> How about those who cannot make it the whole week? I will be in Oshkosh
from Friday through Sunday (July 30 through August 1), and would really
welcome the opportunity to see one or two KR's as well as talk to some
builders. Any idea for on informal meeting during these days?
>
> Wolfgang
> >
> > From: Mark Jones 
> > Date: 2004/07/13 Tue PM 02:03:59 EDT
> > To: 'KRnet' 
> > Subject: RE: KR> Attending Oshkosh
> >
> > There is a KR forum (meeting) on Tuesday July 27 at 11:30am in tent #10.
> > This will be the biggest single gathering of KR builders, pilots and
> > those who want to be. This is your best chance to meet a lot of KR
family
> > members.
> >
> > Mark Jones
> > N886MJ
> > Wales, WI
> > flyk...@wi.rr.com
> >
>
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KR> KR structural analysis

[Ron Eason]

My Aeronautical training and education included structural [equal to
structural engineering degree - 1 semester], electronics [equal to
electronics degree - 1 semester], electrical degree [electrical degree - 1
semester],  mechanical degree [mechanical degree - 1 semester] and
Aeronautical courses. Aeronautical courses were the best all around degree
to have when I went to collage. I've worked as a mechanical, electrical,
structural, and mechanical engineering jobs in my in the last 35 years.  The
demand for Aeronautical engineers is very low and very high, depends mostly
on government [taxed money].
Stu Robinson should have had all the engineering knowledge tools to do the
job.

KRron

- Original Message - 
From: "Mark Langford" 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 10:16 PM
Subject: Re: KR> KR structural analysis


> Harold Wagenknecht wrote:
>
> >KR 2 S is different and beyond my experience.
>
> The KR2S is designed to accept the 100 hp 0-200, and I heard Bill Marcy
> (contracted structural engineer for RR) say that it could handle more at
the
> Oshkosh KR forum one year.  Maybe I'll see if he can drop by this year
too.
>
> > I also want to point out that Ken Rand was an aeronatical engineer and
was
> very capable of designing this aircraft.
>
> Ken Rand was an electrical engineer.  Stu Robinson IS an aeronautical
> engineer, but last time I talked to him, he was working as an electrician
at
> a dolomite mine.  Go figure...
>
> Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL
> N56ML "at"  hiwaay.net
> see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford
>
>
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KR> KR "design"

[Ron Eason]

And all designs are derived from previous knowledge it doesn't makes any of
the bad if fact that good.  The proof is in the flying.  Computers,  wind
tunnels and additional knowledge resources have given us a better methods to
guess what will happen in flight.  The only real pioneers were Orville and
Wilber types who did not have much of a knowledge base to adapt their ideas
to make something different.

KRron

- Original Message - 
From: "Mark Langford" 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 7:18 AM
Subject: KR> KR "design"


> NetHeads,
>
> One more thing I'd like to add about the KR "design".  Early in the
building
> process, as I was watching and learning from Larry French's "Lionheart"
> design effort, I called Stu to get more info on the RAF48 airfoil's
> characteristics.  He laughed and said "we never had that stuff".  One of
the
> early KRNewsletters alludes to this fact, as there was a request for the
> RAF48 data because "the factory can't find their copy".   You simply can't
> design an airplane without knowing the airfoil lift and drag
> characteristics.
>
>  It turns out that the KR borrowed heavily from the Taylor Monoplane, as
> well as the Jeanie's Teenie and other planes for which they'd purchased
> plans.  I'm not sure where the initial 5 degrees of wing incidence came
> from, but it was quickly discovered that it was too much, and it was
lowered
> to 3.5 after the prototype flew.  The truth of the matter is that these
> plans were not the result of a massive design effort, handed down on stone
> tablets from the mountaintop.  They were quickly drawn up after their
plane
> flew sucessfully, and a demand for plans arose.  The big contribution that
> Ken made was his composite construction method, brought from the RC model
> world and applied to man-carrying aircraft, for which he won the "Best
> Aircraft Application of Materials" award at Oshkosh in 1972.  Most of the
> other features for the KR came straight out of existing designs.
>
> There's more on this at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/khistory.html .
I
> think Ken would have done a lot more with this plane if he'd lived longer,
> improving it much as we have done over the years.  I think he would not
only
> approve, but would have led the effort...
>
> Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL
> N56ML at hiwaay.net
> see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford
>
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KR> KR "design"/Wright Bros.

[Ron Eason]

I think you hit on a idea!

KRron
- Original Message - 
From: "larry flesner" 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 5:59 PM
Subject: KR> KR "design"/Wright Bros.


> The only real pioneers were Orville and
> >Wilber types who did not have much of a knowledge base to adapt their
ideas
> >to make something different.
> >KRron
> ++
>
> Not to take away from their accomplishments but I think they studied
> and copied from the birds they watched.  Does that mean the great-
> great grandfather of my KR is a buzzard?  That might explain why
> it tries to circle every time I fly over some "road kill".  :-) :-)
>
> Larry Flesner
>
>
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KR> 1835 VW on ebay, from a KR

[Ron Eason]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem=2484173060=0=2#ebayphotohosting

$100.00 today.


KRron

KR> Type 1 VW Fuel Injector Fab

[Ron Eason]

Type 1 VW Fuel Injector Fab is at http://www.matronics.com/photoshare if
anyone is interested.

KRron

KR> Fiberglass Solvent

[Ron Eason]

MEK is ok but Lacquer thinner is ok also, it has MEK in it. It removes oils
and cleans the surface.

KRron

- Original Message - 
From: "Kenneth B. Jones" 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 9:53 PM
Subject: Re: KR> Fiberglass Solvent


> I use E-Z Poxy on my White Lightning.  I'm told to sand the surface and to
> wipe with MEK prior to applying epoxy.
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 9:32 PM
> Subject: KR> Fiberglass Solvent
>
>
> > Anyone know of a solvent that I could wash/wipe a cured fiberglass
surface
> > with to remove the sheen so epoxy would adhere?  I'm making a fiberglass
> gear
> > leg for my Challenger ultralight and need to epoxy 3 short tubes
together,
> one
> > inside the other.  I sanded the last set I made which worked well but
was
> a
> > real chore for the inside surfaces of the mating tubes.  Thanks
> >
> > Jim Hayward
> > Rapid City, SD
> >
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KR> forming plexiglass

[Ron Eason]

The following is true I've seen all phases. If you have an oven w/o a good
temp indicator, test small pieces before starting the final part. Be careful
of the 350 mark.

KRron

- Original Message - 
From: "Larry A Capps" 
To: "'KRnet'" 
Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 10:00 PM
Subject: KR> forming plexiglass


> The temps shown are accurate based on Oven and Candy Thermometer readings.
>
> Your ideal forming temps will be 320 to 340 indicated.
>
> 250?F - Plexiglas bends, but cools and bounces back to easily
>
> * 320?F - Plexiglas becomes workable and will not spring back - form your
> part
>
> 350?F - Plexiglas will start to "gas" with small bubbles forming inside
>
> Larry A Capps
> Naperville, IL
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
>
> What is a good temp to form plexiglass
> for my lens covers for my landing lights
>
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KR> canopy swap

[Ron Eason]

Anyone want to sell a KR2 std canopy?

KRron

- Original Message - 
From: "Mike Turner" 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 6:19 PM
Subject: Re: KR> canopy swap


>
> Brian, I have clear canopy that I got from a guy at our EAA chapter. It
still has the protective coating on it but I think it is for a kr2 not the
kr2s.
>
>  Mike Turner
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: Brian Kraut
>   To: KRnet
>   Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 5:46 PM
>   Subject: KR> canopy swap
>
>
>   I have a new tinted Rand 2S canopy that I would like to trade for a
untinted
>   one.  I realize it is a long shot, but if anyone has a clear one and
wants a
>   tinted one let me know.
>
>   Brian Kraut
>   Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
>   www.engalt.com
>
>
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KR> lost messages?

[Ron Eason]

Count me in also, I've sent messages w/o see them posted.

KRron

- Original Message - 
From: "StRaNgEdAyS" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 7:16 AM
Subject: RE: KR> lost messages?


> I appear to be loosing messages too,
> I think I have had four posts disappear in the last 2 days, one message
was
> sent twice and still no appearance.
> Cheers.
> Peter Bancks
> stranged...@dodo.com.au
> http://www.homebuiltairplanes.com
> http://canardaviationforum.dmt.net
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KR> Off subject - air compressor

[Ron Eason]

No it's not to old if it works. All you need is a dead leg moisture trap
with a drain valve or a air colessifier [chemical dryer/ filter].  Check the
bottom of your compressed air tank for a drain valve, it should have one,
drain the moisture from the tank.

KRron

- Original Message - 
From: "Jack Cooper" 
To: "Corvair engines for homebuilt aircraft" ; "KR
builders and pilots" 
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 1:13 PM
Subject: KR> Off subject - air compressor


> My air compressor is about 20 years old and seems to work fine except I'm
getting excessive amounts of moisture through the tools. Is there a good
system for removing the moisture from the air? Is my compressor just too
old? would a compressor overhall help the problem? I drain the tank and
separator often, but not every day.
>
>
> Jack Cooper
> kr2coo...@earthlink.net
> Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.
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KR> VW Guys

[Ron Eason]

Just a update for new technologies for all VW engine parts and pieces.
Http://www.LNengineering.com   Http://www.Aircooled.net
http://www.cbperformance.com/ Checkout the ceramic lifter article at LN
Engineering they have been dyno tested, interesting, I think I will purchase
them.

KRron

KR> VW fuel injection Type 1

[Ron Eason]

For anyone interested I just finished fabricating the Fuel Rails and Fuel
injection bungs to my intake manifold and have pics of what I fab'ed.  Fab'e
from steel  tube.  I think this is the first fuel injection attempt for a
Type 1 VW engine.  Email me and I will send you some pics.

KRron.

KR> seat belts and spar strength (dead horse alert!)

[Ron Eason]

Your dead in a 20 G crash any way so what dose it matter?
I fabricated a bulkhead behind the main spar and anchored a cable from the
middle of the bulkhead to the tailwheel reinforcement area.  The bulkhead
serves many purposes for my KR including a rear hinge reinforcement.
I will be dead if that breaks away.

KRron

- Original Message - 
From: "Mark Langford" 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 8:51 PM
Subject: KR> seat belts and spar strength (dead horse alert!)


> NetHeads,
>
> There has been a lot of talk about seat belt brackets, bolt diameters, etc
> lately.  I just ordered my seat belts today from Hooker Harness, and have
> been forced to think about attachment in order to come up with the proper
> belt lengths.  The thing that concerns me most is the strength of the aft
> spar itself.  If you think about laying the thing out flat between two
> sawhorses with a 32" space between them, I'll bet a lot of you would have
> second thoughts about merely STANDING on the middle of it, much less
jumping
> up and down on it.  I think the standard for seat belts is something like
> 20g's, so if you weigh 200 pounds, and have a 200 pound passenger with you
> (half of both would be 200 at the center), imagine 4000 pounds out there
in
> the middle of that spar (laid flat).  Do you think it would hold it?  I'll
> bet you big money it won't.
>
> I stopped by my stress guy's office today, and talked him into working out
> the details for me (I'm more than just a little rusty).  We assumed a 1" x
> 1" piece of spruce with 4000 pounds (pilot and passenger) of force out in
> the middle of that 32" span, neglecting the upper cap, and the vertical
> members and plywood connecting them to the "subject" lower cap (somewhat
> conservative).  The number we calculated was  192,000 psi applied to that
> spar cap's spruce material in a 20g crash.  The modulus of rupture in
static
> bending is 9600 psi for aircraft grade spruce.  So my apprehension of
> walking on that spar would be justified.   Theoretically, 200 pounds would
> break that 1x1, and that passes my "common sense" test.
>
> Larry's idea of spanning the two caps with a bracket is a good one, since
it
> calls both caps into play.  Using that bracket to span the caps, and if
> you're the optimistic type and assume that the shoulder belt and lap belt
> will play equal parts bearing the load, and you have no passenger, then
> there's only 25 pounds (200/8) acting out in the middle of each cap, so
the
> spar would handle something closer to an 8g crash.  But I seriously doubt
> the shoulder belts do as much work as the lap belts do, so we're probably
> back to 6g's again, and that's with no passenger.
>
> My point is that although bolt diameter and bracket material are important
> factors, you also need to make sure the spar itself can handle it.
> Obviously the load of the seat belts needs to be shared with something
other
> than the aft spar if you are preparing for a 20g crash.  The two best ways
I
> can think of are a compression member connecting the main spar to the aft
> spar (connected to both caps of each), or a cable connected to something
> like the tailwheel block.  I know the cable thing will stir up the usual
> arguments, but I think that's exactly what I'm going to do...run  cables
> from both center shoulder and center lap belt attachment points back to
the
> something substantial in the tail (like the tailwheel block).
>
> I know we've all heard of KR's torn to pieces in a crash, and the guy
walks
> away with the rear spar belted to his butt, but those are not the sort of
> full frontal crash that this 20g standard is based on.  You say you're not
> going to worry about 20g frontal impacts because the chance of one is
> unlikely?  I don't blame you.  They are.  But then why worry about bolt
> diameter or brace strength for a 20g crash if the spar's not going to take
> it anyway?  And I'm not saying the cable strap is a 20g solution either,
but
> that's what it'll take to make me comfortable, with minimal weight gain.
>
> Just thought I'd throw that out there.  There are lots of ways to work
this
> problem, and you're welcome to work it the way you want to.  I need to get
> back to work if I'm going to fly to the Gathering.  I just wanted to bring
> it up...
>
> Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama
> N56ML "at" hiwaay.net
> see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford
>
>
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KR> Foam type

[Ron Eason]

The foam you have is polyurethane. I am using the same foam in my project.
If the foam damage is beyond using epoxy filler; buy some two part foam from
ACS or Wicks.  Mix and apply liquid foam to repair the surface.  If you
haven't used this stuff before experiment with a few test pours to get a
feel for how is behaves.  Note: the longer you mix the foam the more dense
the results. Timing is a factor. Chilling the chemicals[i.e. refrigerate]
helps control the density also.
After the foam cures; cut and sand the surface.
KRron

- Original Message - 
From: 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 11:11 AM
Subject: Re: KR> Foam type


> While on subject of foam, maybe someone would consider my question.  I'm a
> new KR2 owner/builder having bought a KR2 about 80% finished, i.e. all of
> the fiberglass work is done except some miscellaneous.  This kit was
> started in 1974 or so and the foam at the end of the stub wings is pretty
> "boogered up" and, in a few areas, sort of crumbling. The fiberglass/resin
> job is really strong with a good bond.  I don't know know what type of
> foam was used, but the former builder did say that that this foam can not
> be cut with a hot wire device due to the toxic gas that it would emit.  As
> far as the ageing and crumbly state of the foam, do I have a problem?
>
> Thanks,
> Jim Foster
> Katy,TX
>
>
>
>
> > Gene said:
> > "One thing to consider about foam is Styrofoam will dissolve in
gasoline"
> >
> > While this is true, I would say that if you had areas where fuel would
be
> > coming into contact with the foam you have bigger problems. Having said
> > that
> >  the polyurethane foams are great stuff, they can have a much higher
> > compression resistance which lessens the likelyhood of pressure damage,
> > for
> > instance if someone steps on an unsupported wing area.
> > Cheers.
> > Peter Bancks.
> > stranged...@dodo.com.au
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KR> foam at the end of the stub wings is pretty "boogered up"

[Ron Eason]

You can solve the expanding foam problem by post curing the poured foam with
a heat gun [hair dryer].
I find about 5 minutes with a heat gun works. I would recommend a layer of
glass after finishing the foam.

KRron

- Original Message - 
From: "Dan Heath" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 3:43 PM
Subject: KR> foam at the end of the stub wings is pretty "boogered up"


> If I were fixing this kind of problem, I would sand the good area around
the
> offending area, very good, so there was a slight indention in the good
area.
> Then I would cut out the offending area with a saw. I would then glue in a
> good piece of foam with hot glue. I never use the mixable foam as I
> understand that it does not quit expanding for a very long time and when
the
> heat hits it, it starts expanding all over again.
>
> Now, just sand to shape and cover as you would normally, overlapping the
> good area you sanded down. A little super fil, primer, and paint and you
> will never know that it had been "boogered up".
>
>
>
> See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics
>
> "There is a time for building and a time for flying, and the time for
> building has long since expired."
>
> Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC
>
> See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering
>
> See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org
>
>
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KR> CNC Type 1 Heads now availble

[Ron Eason]

Go to http://www.cbperformance.com/default.asp
and check out the new CNC re-engineered VW heads.  CFM flow chart shown for
all 4 options.

KRron