[lace] Re: Advent Calendar

[Annette Gill]

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Hear, hear!

I love your Advent Calendar.  I don't have one of my own any more :), but I 
love going to the Lace Guild website every day to open the latest window.

And thank you Jean, for your "Introduction to Buck Point" booklet.  I have 
several Bucks Point books, but this is the one I'm learning from.  It's clearer 
and more helpful than the others for a beginner like me, and I was very 
grateful to find it.  I've also bought your Beds booklet, even though I don't 
plan to try Beds for quite a while.  

Regards,
Annette, London

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[lace] Royal Mail

[Annette Gill]

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I think the 21 days being quoted by Pipers includes the possible delay in
sending out the threads.  Standard post in Britain, whether first or
second class, doesn't take anywhere near that long.  There have been
well-publicised problems with the Royal Mail in the last year or two, but
it usually means that first class post might not get there the next day
(as it's supposed to) and second class post could take several days. 
(Don't get me started on things going missing completely...)

Pipers don't guarantee to send orders out immediately, though in practice
I've found they usually do.  I think that's why they won't commit
themselves to anything faster than 21 days.

Regards,
Annette, London (where the post is particularly bad these days)






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[lace] Re: lBusy Lists

[Annette Gill]

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Devon>>

How enterprising to celebrate Saturnalia!  Did you also include the 
drunkenness that seems to have been part of Saturnalia?

I'm always amazed when I read about the customs of Christmas as to how 
many of them pre-date Christmas.  Yule logs, evergreen decorations, 
gift-giving, holly, mistletoe, carol-singing, candles and so on were all 
pagan.

At least the ancient pagans can't claim to have invented lace Christmas 
decorations :)

Regards,
Annette, London
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[lace] Re Busy lists

[Annette Gill]

Claire Allen wrote:
I'm not quite sure how Father Christmas can offend people from other 
faiths when he is not exactly a religious symbol himself.

I too am an Atheist and I celebrate Christmas as the winter solstice 
festival that was hijacked when Christianity came to this country. And 
if people are not prepared to respect the main religion of the country 
they are living in maybe they should rethink where they live. (That is 
not intended as racist by the way).

Claire
Kent, UK 
I quite agree.  Anyway, I can't see that many British Muslims or Sikhs 
or Hindus are going to be offended by Christians celebrating Christmas.  
I'm certainly not!

Regards,
Annette, London
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[lace] Re: Busy lists?

[Annette Gill]

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Me too.  Last year, while writing a Christmas card to my neighbours, I did
stop to wonder why an atheist was sending a Christmas card to a Muslim
family!

When I was a Catholic, a long, long time ago, I used to think that
non-Christians who celebrated Christmas were trying to have their cake and
eat it.  Then I realised that there's been a mid-winter festival here long
before the Christians co-opted it for Christmas, so I have a perfect right
to celebrate that :)  At least it gives me an excuse to make lace
Christmas decorations.

I was amused last week when some of the big shops along Oxford St in
London said they wouldn't be having a Father Christmas this year, because
it might offend people of other faiths.  And yet they seem happy enough to
profit from and promote the orgy of Christmas present-buying that's going
on now!

I don't have a DH, so I have to write all my Christmas cards myself... 

Regards,
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[lace] Swedish woven hearts

[Annette Gill]

>

Thanks so much for this link - the hearts are lovely!  I was getting fed
up about the fact that a shoulder injury means I won't be able to get a
Christmas tree this year (too heavy to maneouvre into place, and I don't
much like artifical ones).  I thought I might be able to make some unusual
Christmas decorations to compensate - and these are perfect!

Straight down to Hobbycraft to get some fancy paper to make them with...

(Sorry for bringing up the H word, but they are useful for some things)

Regards,
Annette, London





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[lace] Political comments

[Annette Gill]

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Isn't this just a statement of fact?  I'm not American, but I understood that the 
richest Americans have benefited from tax cuts over the last 4 years, and poorer 
Americans haven't.
<<... "I even gave up going to the U film club (to see Farenheit 9/11) tonihgt; 
"...>>
I'm completely lost as to why a reference to going to see this film is political.
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I would have thought that any American citizen has the right to disagree with the 
policies of the American government, without being told to leave the country...
Annette,
London
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[lace] Pipers 90/2

[Annette Gill]

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I haven't checked Piper's web site recently, but their price list from
Jan 2004 still lists 90/2 Twisted gloss silk - I'm actually using it at
the moment to make a fan.  I hope they haven't discontinued it!

Regards,
Annette, London

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[lace] Re: Lace in London

[Annette Gill]

Not in London, but easily accessible...  The weekend of December 4/5th 
is the country's largest lace fair, at the National Exhibition Centre in 
Birmingham.  You can get to Birmingham in 90 minutes by train from 
London Euston, and the NEC has its own station.

Regards,
Annette
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[lace] Re: Fan Pillows

[Annette Gill]

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I'd forgotten about CSLS.  I now see they actually have a fan pillow,
though it looks a bit flat.  The reason I don't like flat pillows is that
I don't like working with the pillow horizontal (which I have to do with
Continental bobbins).  I know that's what they do in Europe, but it's the
lack of tension on the bobbins that bothers me - I've got used to the
weight of the bobbins hanging down providing tension.  Maybe I should
just try and get used to working flat.

Regards,
Annette, London

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[lace] Re: Fan Pillows

[Annette Gill]

 <>From what I've heard, the Newnham pillows were superb - it's a shame
they're not still available. The disc pillow you mention sounds a bit
like the collar pillow that Central Scotland Lace Supplies do.  They also
have a fan pillow that sounds like the Newnham one.  I've already been
referred to Rosemarie Robertson, so I'll contact her and see what she
has.  If the pillow has a domed apron, it might be what I'm looking for.

Thanks,
Annette, London

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Subject: Re: [lace] Fan pillows

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[lace] Re: Fan Pillows

[Annette Gill]

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22 inch round pillow.>>
 

That sounds like a good idea.  I can't make that kind of thing myself, 
but I might be able to find someone who can.

Thanks!
Annette, London
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Re: [lace] Fan pillows

[Annette Gill]

The fan I'm making at the moment is fairly small, and fits across the 
flattish top of an 18" cookie pillow.  I can't get a pillow much larger 
than that, because it would strain my shoulders to reach it (I have 
short arms and injured shoulders!).   The Kleinhout pillow has two 
pie-shaped movable suggestions, as you suggest,  which would be ideal, 
but I suppose I'm thinking about flat, pie-shaped sections in the centre 
of a cookie pillow (with sloping sides).

A cone-shaped roller sounds intriguing, but I can't work out how you 
would make one, or how it would fit into an existing roller pillow.  I 
don't suppose any supplier makes such a thing?

Regards,
Annette, London
PS I heard about Mt St Helens on the news - I hope if it does erupt it 
isn't too serious. Are you very near?

Alice Howell wrote:
This brought two thoughts to my mind.  First -- the recent discussion 
on patterns lifting from the pillow.  One reason was the conflict of 
putting a flat pattern on a curved pillow.  A fan is a flat item.  For 
the lace to fit best, it seems like it should be made flat.

While I haven't (yet) made a fan (that class is coming next spring), I 
would think that the pattern would need to be worked on a flat surface 
as big as the fan.  The bobbin area could be shaped to suit the 
bobbins and lacemaker.  A small fan would fit easily on a cookie 
pillow.  A larger fan may need a special pillow design.  The cookie 
with the two or more pie-shaped movable sections is one solution.

The second area of thought was the cone shaped roller.  Curved items 
can be made on a cone that has been fitted to the shape of the 
pattern.  The cone can be inserted into a roller pillow, or a cut out 
section of a cookie pillow.  The working surface stays at the optimum 
center of the pillow, and the bobbin surface would stay consistent.

A used roller pillow I acquired had a cone roller with it that the 
previous lacemaker had devised.

If a person plans to make only one fan, a usable pillow could be 
constructed out of builders foam.  It doesn't last for extensive use, 
but works well for a short time.

When you all figure it out, let me know.  I'll have to have a fan 
pillow next spring.


Alice in Oregon -- where we are waiting for the second eruption of Mt 
St Helens in a week.  They think the next one will be bigger than last 
week.


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[lace] Fan pillows

[Annette Gill]

I'm looking for a pillow I can eventually make  full-size fans on.  The 
only one I've seen is from Kleinhout, but it's flat - I find flat 
pillows difficult to work with when using Bruges bobbins.  I prefer a 
cookie pillow  - does anyone know of a pillow suitable for working fans 
that is at least slightly domed? 

Regards,
Annette, London
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[lace] Tonbridge

[Annette Gill]

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Tonbridge, actually - please don't go to Tunbridge Wells for the fair! :)
I was once sent on a training course at a company I'd visited before. I 
bought my train ticket to Bracknell, got into a taxi at Bracknell 
station and gave the driver the address.  He looked blank, insisting 
there was no such place in the town.  I fished out my letter with the 
details of the course on it to show him - and he pointed out that the 
address was actually in Basingstoke!  I had to pay him £30 to drive me 
to Basingstoke.  I'd only just started a new job - it didn't make a very 
good impression on my boss that her new employee couldn't even find her 
way to the correct town!

Regards,
Annette in London
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[lace] Elwyn Kenn's books

[Annette Gill]

Thank you for all your comments about Elwynn Kenn's books.  I bought 
"Australian Wildflowers in Point Ground"  yesterday from Jacqui 
(Larkholme Lace) at Swanley Lacemaker's lace day.  The patterns look 
lovely , though it'll be a while before I can try them.  It sounds as if 
I will have to look out for the third book second-hand.

Jacqui, when my teacher saw just how many books I'd bought from you, she 
was gob-smacked.  Later in the day, when she saw me looking through a 
beading book on the Spangles stand, she came up behind me and said, 
"No!  NO!" very firmly in my ear...  But you had a super selection of 
books, several of which I've waiting to buy for a while.  It was a 
lovely day - I haven't been to one before.

Regards,
Annette, London
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Re: [lace] Elwyn Kenn's books

[Annette Gill]

Thanks - I now have an excuse to spend yet more money!
Regards,
Annette
Clay Blackwell wrote:
Hello Annette -
I have Kenn's "Point Ground Patterns...", and also her
"Lace: Australian Wildflowers in Point Ground".  I believe
there is at least one more.  But in answer to your question,
yes, it would definitely be worthwhile to have the
wildflower book.  The patterns are all different, and you
will not be disappointed.
Clay
 

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[lace] Re: Pronunciation

[Annette Gill]

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You're lucky - I'm often called Anita!   My aunt is called Sylvia, 
but in the family she's often called Sylvie as an affectionate nick-name.

<>
Mine is often pronounced with a soft G - even after I've said it to the 
person concerned with a hard G, they still think they know better than 
me how it should be pronounced.

Regards,
Annette Gill, London
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[lace] Elwyn Kenn's books

[Annette Gill]

I have a copy of Elwynn Kenn's "Point Gound Patterns from Australia" and 
am wondering how different her other books are, ie is it worth getting 
the other  books as well?  Are the patterns all different?  I'm not 
ready to do her patterns yet, but after hearing  of the problems people 
have getting lace books, I now buy anything I like the look of as soon 
as I see it, and I do like her patterns.

Jacqui, will Larkholme Lace be at Swanley Lace day on Saturday (you're 
listed on the tickets as being there)?  If so, will you be bringing 
"Australian Wildflowers in Point Ground Lace" with you? 

Regards,
Annette, London
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[lace] Pronunciation of lace names

[Annette Gill]

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If they are lacemakers I'd suggest using the French pronunciation for 
things like Point de Neige, because it's French.  However, I'd probably 
pronounce Chantilly in the English/American way, for understanding, 
since you want them to connect the lace with the town that they will 
have heard of, even if they haven't heard the French pronunication of 
its name.

On the other hand, if you normally pronounce the words in the English 
way when you "think" them, then perhaps it would be more natural for you 
to say them that way too.

What a sad comment on a society that someone pronouncing foreign words 
correctly may be accused of being a snob...

Regards,
Annette, London
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[lace] Pattern copyright

[Annette Gill]

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It can still harm the designer though, even if the items are being sold
for charity.  I know of an author of lacemaking books who found someone
was making up her designs and selling them very cheaply.  They were made
with coarse thread and were very poorly worked (I think they were being
made in Asia).  The point was that the author works and sells items based
on those designs, and because the quality of her workmanship is very high,
they are priced accordingly.  This other person was not only undercutting
her, but also damaging her reputation.  This would be the case even if the
items were being sold for charity.  The person concerned has now agreed to
stop selling items based on this author's designs.

Regards,
Annette, London





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[lace] Working hands-up

[Annette Gill]

Thanks very much for all the notes and suggestions about working 
hands-up.  I've had a go (I had already looked at the picture on Jo 
Falkink's website, after Tamara mentioned it in a message about Prague, 
so I tried tilting up my cookie pillow as in the picture), and it's not 
as good as I thought it might be.  I have what is called diffuse RSI, 
which means not that there is any obvious damage to tendons or 
ligaments, but that my nerves now seem to over-react to what I do with 
my hands and forearms, and signal pain where it probably isn't 
warranted.  So what I'm finding is that hands-up requires more muscle 
movement in my forearms, to hold the bobbins and twist and cross them in 
my hands, and also to keep pinning, so it may be more of a strain than 
hands-down.  But I may be able to work out a method of handling the 
bobbins that suits my hands - a kind of combination of both methods.  I 
was so concerned with doing it right it didn't really occur to me I 
could do anything that works for me.  So thanks for all the suggestions 
and tips - I now know what the possibilities are.

Regards,
Annette, London
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[lace] Dorset Arts and Crafts show

[Annette Gill]

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It turns out my mother went to the show on Friday morning, not Saturday after all.  I 
went last year because I happened to be in Dorset that week, but unfortunately I 
couldn't go this year.  I'd arranged to go down to Dorset next week instead - for 
Weymouth Carnival (which I used to love as a child, but haven't been to for years).  I 
must try and remember about the DAC next year, and plan my visits to Dorset 
accordingly!

Regards,
Annette 

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Re: [lace] Working hands-up

[Annette Gill]

Gabriele,
Thank you very much, this is all helpful.  I'm trying this on a cookie 
pillow tilted up to see if it's something my hands can cope with before 
I spend money on a bolster pillow!

Regards,
Annette, London
G.Kister-Schuler wrote:
Hello Annette,
I think you are asking for the *german way* of lacemaking: hanging 
bobbins and holding them in the palm of your hands. So I try to give 
an answer from here. I am used to work on flat and on bolster pillows.

Annette Gill schrieb:
I'm thinking of trying to work hands-up, either by making a pillow 
from a pool noodle, or buying  a bolster pillow from the Honiton Lace 
shop.  (I may be visiting Honiton in a couple of weeks). 'But I'm 
still a bit confused as to how you actually do this.  I'm vaguely 
aware that if you work this way you make some of the stitches 
differently.  For example, do you do half stitch as TC, instead of 
CT?  How would you do other stitches like cloth, cloth stitch and 
twist, point gound, and so on? 

First of all, it is not necessary to change from CT to TC. It is 
absolutely possible to work the same way you are used to.  Linen 
stitch is linen stitch wherever you make it. We do not really know 
where the differences in handling come from. There is only one logical 
thing: when you work hanging bobbins you have to hang the inactive 
bobbins over pins and when you work CT, the last thing you do when you 
hang them on, is a twist. But when you go on working and take them 
from the pin, you willhave to untwist them to see if there is a twist 
or is none. So it doesn't make sense to hang them twisted, because you 
undo the twist.  It saves time to work TC but in the beginning you 
better work what you are used to.

Do you hold all four bobbins you're working with in your hands as you 
do the stitch?

Yes, we do, because we do not move them on the pillow but in our 
hands. You cross and twist them in your hands and let them hang down 
(or over longer pins) when the stitch is finished.
An additional hint: have a look for the height of your pillow. You 
should not lift your shoulders while working.
If I can tell you anything else, you are welcome to ask.

Gabriele from Chemnitz, Germany
<http://www.kloeppelkiste.de>


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[lace] Dorset Arts and Crafts

[Annette Gill]

My mother went to see the Dorset Arts and Crafts show yesterday and 
mentioned there was someone there demonstrating lace.  Was this one of you?

She said the lace the demonstrator had on show was lovely, that there 
was some Bucks Point there (I didn't even know she could recognise Bucks 
Point - she must have remembered the samples of it that I've worked and 
showed her) and also some lace mounted on a CD.

Regards,
Annette, London
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[lace] Working hands-up

[Annette Gill]

I'm thinking of trying to work hands-up, either by making a pillow from 
a pool noodle, or buying  a bolster pillow from the Honiton Lace shop.  
(I may be visiting Honiton in a couple of weeks). 'But I'm still a bit 
confused as to how you actually do this.  I'm vaguely aware that if you 
work this way you make some of the stitches differently.  For example, 
do you do half stitch as TC, instead of CT?  How would you do other 
stitches like cloth, cloth stitch and twist, point gound, and so on?  Do 
you hold all four bobbins you're working with in your hands as you do 
the stitch?

I'd be grateful for any advice before I decide to try this.  It sounds 
like it's a difficult method of working to get used to, but it might be 
better for me since I have RSI.

Regards,
Annette, London
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Re: [lace] When does a book become rare?

[Annette Gill]

I'd agree - if a book is still in print, you can order it from any 
bookshop, so I don't think the seller can describe it as rare.

Jean Nathan wrote:
So that will apply also to every book on weaving, embroidery, tennis, horse
riding, and any other hobby, but it doesn't make them rare, especially if
they're still in print.
Jean in Poole
 

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Re: [lace] Two-Pair Inventions - distribution

[Annette Gill]

Tamara,

What about an electronic version that we foreigners could buy and print
off ourselves?  That would get round the prohibitive postal costs.

I'm sure we're all honest enough not to share out an electronic copy to
others who haven't paid for it!

Regards,
Annette

--- "Tamara P. Duvall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> The projects included in the booklet - Snowflakes - have been on my 
> website for quite a while; I've now added the photo of the front cover 
> and all the basic info about the booklet, as a separate entry. Both can 
> be reached from the same URL (in the signature), so you can see what it 
> is you'd be getting.
> 
> On advice from several friends, I've upped the price to a round $10 
> (easier to remember, and a better profit to The Lace Museum). I think 
> it's still reasonable; the sting - scorpion like - is in the tail, or 
> the shipping costs...






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[lace] Muslin

[Annette Gill]

<>

That's interesting.  The "cheap gauzy stuff" sounds like what we call 
muslin in the UK - really loosely woven fabric, sometimes used in 
cooking to strain things.  Since what we call calico, you call muslin, 
I've been wondering for years what you call the fabric we call muslin!

But then we also use the word muslin to refer to light-weight white 
cotton of a normal weave (as per the Regency-era dresses mentioned by 
Jane Austen)...

Regards,
Annette, London
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[lace] Stiffy

[Annette Gill]

<>

Do you mean it yellows in time, or when you first put it on?  I used 
some last year on some Christmas ornaments, and it did make them a 
little less white than they were before.  Will they yellow further over 
time?

I also want to use it on miniature dolls clothes, so I'd be interested 
to know what the long-term consequences are.

Regards,
Annette, London
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[lace] Pool Noodles in Poole

[Annette Gill]

Jean,
Thanks for the info about the pool noodles.  I'll try and see if there's 
a supplier locally, and if not I'll  try the shop in Poole.  My mother 
often goes up to Poole on the train to shop (from Weymouth) but she 
walks with a stick, so I don't think she could manage to carry a 5ft 
pool noodle back to the station!

Regards,
Annette, London
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[lace] Pool noodles in Poole

[Annette Gill]

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foam in a shop in Poole, and thought how useful one would be for the centre
of a small roller. Then the penny dropped that they must be pool noodles.
Never seen one before. 

Jean in Poole>>
Do you mind me asking which shop they were in?  Rose-Marie told me last year I could 
make a bolster pillow from a pool noodle, but I hadn't the faintest idea where to get 
them.  I'm coming down to Weymouth for a few days for the carnival in August, and 
might well drive up to Bournemouth or Poole while I'm there, so I could get one.  What 
diameter are they?
Regards,
Annette
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[lace] Holders for Bucks Thumpers

[Annette Gill]

<> 

I can't get on with those at all -I find the bobbins don't always stay 
in the right order.  I use crocheted holders for both Thumpers and 
Bruges bobbins.

Crochet a long chain, and then on the next row do a treble stitch into 
every other stitch in the chain. At the end of that second row, you've 
got a long ladder - push a bobbin through each hole (or every other 
hole) in the ladder and bundle the whole lot out of the way.  The 
bobbins HAVE to stay in the right order. 

I know treble stitch is called something else in North America, but I 
can't remember what it is.  You may need to use a different stitch 
anyway to get the size of the holes right, depending on which wool you 
use.  My holders were done in double knitting wool using trebles, and 
the holes suit both the Thumpers and the Bruges bobbins.

Regards,
Annette, London
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[lace] Threads untwisting

[Annette Gill]

<< I note that the original problem was not really *breaking* so much as the
thread pulling apart which happens when it becomes untwisted.  I have had
students with this problem with the white Madeira and I feel it is maybe
something to do with the way they handle the thread when winding or how they
move their bobbins, but I have never been able to analyse quite what.   They
all use spangled bobbins, but as one student will have the problem and
another not even though they are using the same spool of thread..
>>

Does anyone have any opinion on which cotton threads best resist untwisting?
As I use Bucks Thumpers or Bruges bobbins (not together!) I have this
problem.  Although I'm controlling the bobbins' rolling to some extent, I
still often get threads untwisting after a while.  Twisting them up again
never seems very satisfactory, as they're never as tightly twisted as they
were when they came off the reel.

At the moment I'm tending to use more and more silk (often Piper's twisted
Silk) because it seems to resist untwisting.  Can anyone recommend any other
threads?

Regards,
Annette in London

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[lace] Ornery

[Annette Gill]

Thank you all for your definitions of ornery - I think I have the flavour of
it now!  I realise this subject was straying into Chat territory, but I've
had to unsubscribe from Lace-Chat - wading through the digests of two lists
is too much for my RSI at the moment.

Thanks also for the tip on the pronunication, Clay - I should have realised
the E was silent.  (It reminds me of when I met an American family at a
German youth hostel, many years ago.  I asked where they came from and was
told, "Mrln".  I had absolutely no idea what they were talking about.  They
told me twice more, and I still couldn't get it.  Then the penny finally
dropped - putting the vowels back in gave me "Maryland"!)

Regards,
Annette, London

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[lace] Ornery?

[Annette Gill]

<>

Just what does "ornery" mean?  I've seen it used by Americans many times and
never been quite sure...

Regards,
Annette in London

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[lace] Magentic pin-pusher

[Annette Gill]

Margot and Lorri,

Many thanks for your suggestions - I'll follow them both up.  I'm going to the
Chelmsford lace fair today - perhaps I should take a magnet and look for
magnetic pins! ;)

Regards,
Annette, London

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[lace] Magnetic pin-pusher?

[Annette Gill]

Is there such a thing as a magnetic pin pusher?  I'm thinking of something
like the magnetic screwdrivers that loosely "hold on to" the screw so all
you have to do is guide it into the hole and then screw it in.  

Holding a fine pin, locating the pinhole with it and then pushing it in is
causing me problems with RSI, and I thought if there was a pin pusher that
could "hold" the pin so all I had to do was push it in, it would help a
lot.

Regards,
Annette, London





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[lace] Lace events in UK in May

[Annette Gill]

<>

Great Escapes have a course running on 21st-23rd May with Sandi Woods in
Derbyshire.  The URL I have for them doesn't seem to be working, but the
email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Phone (0) 1825 733422.

Regards,
Annette, London

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[lace] Re: Translation

[Annette Gill]

<<"Der Kloppelbrief wurde um eine DIN-Stufe verkleinert!">>

DIN is a German standards body.  So I think what this is saying is that the
pattern has been reduced by one DIN size - I assume that means by one size
on the photocopier.  That probably means the A and B paper sizes that we use
in Europe.  Sorry to be rather vague, but that's my best guess.

Regards,
Annette, London

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[lace] Threads

[Annette Gill]

> If you like making lace, you might as well bite the bullet and make the
> best investment of your life; buy Brenda Paternoster's booklet "Threads
> for Lace; edition 2"  :)
> Tamara P Duvall

Sandy,
I'd second this.  I'm a beginner too (I started lacemaking this summer), and
this book was recommended to me a couple of months ago.  I've found it
invaluable when trying to work out what thread to use for a pattern, if I
don't have the one specified.  The booklet also has a very useful
introduction to threads, eg their thickness and composition, how the
different materials behave (silk, linen, cotton etc) and so on.  Well worth
the money!

Regards,
Annette, London

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[lace] Re: Starting a torchon bookmark

[Annette Gill]

> Dear Annette,
> ...She also says, on page 48, that the two pairs of bobbins hung on 
> a temporary pin are actually used double - i.e., although you have 
> two pairs, treat them as one.  If it was me, I think I'd be tying
> each pair together after I'd worked the first pin, to remind me 
> to use them double.   You'll end up with a double-thread working 
> down each side of the top spider - it'll give a more solid edge 
> to the start of the bookmark.

> Does this help at all??  Or only confuse you more?   (BG)
> Regards, Ruth Budge (Sydney, Australia)

Thank you.  I'd got the point about using the first four pairs of bobbins
as a single thread each, but my mistake was to assume I had to keep doing
this for each pair that I added in.  Now I've got that sorted out, I think
I can do the rest of it.

Thanks also to Eva, Tamara and Barbara!

Regards,
Annette, London



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[lace] Starting a Torchon bookmark

[Annette Gill]

Can anyone shed any light on Geraldine Stott's method of staring a Torchon
bookmark, as described in The Bobbin Lace Manual?  The description is a
bit vague, and I've tried a couple of different interpretations, but
they're clearly both wrong.

If anyone can clarify what she means, I'd be very grateful!

Regards,
Annette, London


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[lace] Square bobbins in UK

[Annette Gill]

Sorry, I forgot to mention that Winslow also do square bobbins, a couple
of types.

Regards,
Annette, London



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[lace] Square bobbins in UK

[Annette Gill]

> I love square bobbins, and have asked all the UK lace suppliers I know
about
> them . . . . there doesn't seem any demand for them in the UK , so no
supply
> . .:-(
>
> Sulochona

Chris Parsons does them.  They're not on his website or in his catalogue,
but if you phone him, he'll send them. (
http://www.lace-bobbins.co.uk/index.html,  phone  01373 812023)

Regards,
Annette, London

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[lace] Lace Magazine

[Annette Gill]

Is anyone else in London still waiting for their copy of the latest Lace
magazine?  I seem to have received everything else that got caught up in the
post strike, but not this.

Regards,
Annette, London

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[lace] Tonder book

[Annette Gill]

Does anyone know if there really is an English translation for the
"Tonderkniplinger 2" book by Inge Skovgaard?  I'm getting contradictory
answers from UK suppliers.

Regards,
Annette, London

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[lace] Spam and scams

[Annette Gill]

> ... Don't unsubscribe from spam emails - just delete
> them and ignore them. Responses let them know that your email address is
> live and could generate more scams/spam.
>
> Jean in Poole

And don't even open messages you suspect are spam.  I didn't realise until
recently that some emails contain Web Beacons, which means that when you
open the message, the beacon sends back a message to let the sender know
that you've opened it.  This confirms to them that your address is valid.

It seems that Hotmail offers a defence against Web Beacons (see
http://www.internetnews.com/IAR/article.php/2203251 ).  Outlook 2003 can
protect against them too.  I don't know about other ISPs and email clients.

As to not knowing who to trust, I think the advice is never to follow any of
the links in these emails, but always to go to the site manually using the
address that you normally use.  That means you can't be redirected to a
look-alike site run by the scammer.

Regards,
Annette in London

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[lace] Colour blindness

[Annette Gill]

> From: "Lorri Ferguson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>  1.  By and large it is men who are color blind, (women rarely are).
> However women are the carriers, and sons of a woman who is color blind
have
> a genetic predisposition to be color blind also, CBness skips a
generation.

You got me thinking about this, and I'm not sure it necessarily skips a
generation.  If a colour-blind male married a female carrier, I think the
daughters would have a 50% chance of being colour blind (inheriting their
father's recessive colour blind gene, and the one recessive colour blind
gene their mother carries).  I think...

I find this whole subject of genetics fascinating.  I wish I'd been born a
couple of centuries later, by which time we'll probably have worked out what
all the genes are, how they interact with each other and with the
environment, and how and when they are switched on.  At the moment there's
so much we don't know.

I was about to say that genetics is like lace - cross/twist,
dominant/recessive gene.  But then I remembered that many genes have more
than two forms and don't do the simple dominant/recessive thing (eg blood
groups).  Mind you, what about cross/twist/turn? 

Regards,
Annette, London

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[lace] Colour

[Annette Gill]

<>

Yes, like haemophilia, it's determind by a gene on the X chromosome, so
although women can get it, it's much rarer for us than for men.  So you're
right, it's probably rare among lacemakers.

Regards,
Annette in London

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[lace] Cross and Twist

[Annette Gill]

>>I too learnt to the chant of ' 2 over 3 and 2 & 4 back, 2 over 3' and
still teach it that way.

>Never thought of it that way -- never heard it said just that way.  When
manning the 'try it' pillow and talking >someone through the stitches, I
found myself saying, "middle (two threads) cross to the right, then both
>pairs to the left", then,  "middle right, both left".  It shortens down to,
"middle, both, middle".  If they persisted past >a dozen stitches, then I
would start inserting the correct terms of cross and twist.

I wasn't taught to say anything, but I usually just count - "1 2 3"
(movements) if I'm doing cloth stitch, "1 2 3 4" for cloth stitch and twist,
and "1 2" for half stitch.  The reason is that I would keep forgetting how
many movements I'd done, and end up doing a cloth stitch and twist when I
was supposed to be doing a cloth stitch.  (I think my short term memory is
going!)  Maybe I should start breaking the different stitches down into C
and T as I do more complex patterns from diagrams, rather than thinking of
them as stitches.

Regards,
Annette in London

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[lace] Colour codes

[Annette Gill]

<<...The sooner you can get comfortable with the diagrams, the sooner the
whole world of bobbin lace opens to you.  Then you will graduate to the
patterns with nothing but a pricking and there will be nothing to stop you!
Robin P.>>

I'm not sure I need to hear that.   I'm already neglecting other things
to make lace.  Several months ago I promised my niece I'd make her a dolls'
house doll dressed in Tudor costume for her birthday in July.  The poor doll
is still sitting on my table, bald and naked from the waist up, surrounded
by bobbins and all the other detritus of lacemaking!

Regards,
Annette in London

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[lace] Colour codes

[Annette Gill]

Thanks for the explanations of the colour codes.  I think I stand a chance now
of working out how to do some of these French, Finnish and Danish patterns!
I'm still inexperienced, so my kind of level at the moment is the detailed
instructions Christine Springett and Roz Snowden give for their patterns.  But
I'm getting better at interpreting diagrams.

I mainly bought these books because I've heard so many of you lament not
buying books when you saw them, and then having them go out of print. 

Regards,
Annette, London

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[lace] Colour codes

[Annette Gill]

< ) *is*
lovely but, once it had been "sprung" on lacemakers, it began to
evolve, so it is no longer "pure"; every country has its own "Middle
Ages Latin" version of it, with *sub*-"philosophies" within the overall
pattern/rule... :)>>

Where can I find out what these codes are?  I recently bought  Danish,
Finnish and French books and they all seem to be using a different code.
Only the French book gives *some* indication as to what some of the colours
mean, and the other two don't give any key at all.

Regards,
Annette in London

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[lace] Strikes, fireworks and copes

[Annette Gill]

> the UK is just being hit by a postal strike. It's not in all
> areas of the country at the moment, but it is spreading. The problem is
with
> post going through an area where the postal workers are already on strike,
> like London.

I ordered some lace supplies from Makit on Monday, and am impatiently
awaiting them... but no chance of getting them until the strike is over.

>
> Then of course there's another risk - some of the local morons in
> Bournemouth blew up a post box and its contents with a firework
November
> 5th's still nearly a week away. Time the sale of fireworks to the public
was
> banned, but that's another story.
>
> Jean in Poole

And Bournemouth used to be such a genteel town!  I totally agree about the
fireworks - they've been going off around here every night this month, it
seems.  What with exploding fireworks, a police car siren wailing past a few
minutes ago (probably some moron has blown himself up with a firework) and
trick-or-treaters ringing the doorbell every few minutes, it's not a
peaceful evening - I've given up trying to make lace tonight!

There were some copes on display at Alexandra Palace at the Knitting and
Stitching Show - no lace, just a lot of ornate embroidery.

Regards,

Annette, London

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[lace] Roller pillows in the UK

[Annette Gill]

I want to buy a round roller pillow (I can't get on with continental bobbins
rolling around on my flat block pillow).  I know SMP have one, but does anyone
know of any other supplier who does them in the UK?

Regards,
Annette, London

PS I dreamed last night that torrential rain was falling on London and the
Thames was about to burst its banks.  Even in my dream, I was wishing the rain
was falling on California, on the fires...  Is the situation there improving?

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[lace] Bucks Thumpers

[Annette Gill]

Thank you very much for the various explanations about Springetts and
Fountains.  I see both Springetts and Fountains are at the NEC.

I have another question though.   I've just started experimenting with Bucks
Thumpers and I think they'll be ideal for me - nice and big.  I've so far
found that they are sold by Winslow Bobbins, Campbells, Kenn Van-Dieren, and
Beeutahful Bobbins.  Are there any other suppliers that sell them?

Regards,
Annette, London

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[lace] Springetts and Fountains etc

[Annette Gill]

Can anyone explain who/what Springetts and Fountains are?  I was told that
Fountains used to be called Springetts, and I notice they still sell kits
labelled Springetts.  Yet the leaflets for Havant and the NEC list "C & D
Springett", not Fountains.  I assume this is Christine and David Springett who
have written several lace books.  Are they the same as Fountains?

And if it isn't too indiscreet, can I ask why SMP and Tim Parker are at
daggers drawn?  (I'm not normally a gossipy person, honestly - I never read OK
or Hello - but I'm intrigued by this one!)

Regards,
Annette in London

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[lace] Words and silk

[Annette Gill]

<>

I think we often pair words with the single syllable word first and the
multi-syllable word second.  Bread and water, horse and carriage, wool and
embroidery (the shop I worked in as a teenager was always described as a
wool and embroidery shop), pins and needles.  I know there are many
counter-examples, but I remember once reading that "single then multi
syllable" was more common.

I'm looking forward to seeing the Pipers Silks range at the NEC next month.
I hope I don't get too carried away with their colours - even on screen they
look gorgeous.

Regards,
Annette in London

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[lace] Re: lace-digest V1 #3817

[Annette Gill]

<>

I'm glad you enjoyed your visit to London!  When I last went to the Fan
Museum a couple of months ago, the exhibition on the upper floor wasn't very
interesting (to me) - mostly painted fans from the time of Louis, the Sun
King.  It sounds as if the exhibition there now is much more interesting.

<< On Tursday I make my travel to Luton and Bedford. First I was fascinated
from the nice and quick train.>>

Ilske, I couldn't help smiling at this!  We don't think our trains are nice
and quick - we hate them!  I remember meeting an American couple at the
Royal Opera House one evening, many years ago, and they too thought our
trains were good.  We just think they're late and dirty and overcrowded -
but to be fair, if you travel on short journeys during the quieter part of
the day, they're OK.  I'd still rather travel on Deutsche Bahn though!

I haven't been to the two museums you visited in Luton and Bedford, but I
think I will now.  After all, they're only a train ride away 

Regards,
Annette, in London

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[lace] Sorry

[Annette Gill]

I just wanted to say sorry to those who are kind enough to help me with my
various questions if I don't reply for several days.  I'm really struggling
these days with RSI, and both typing and lacemaking make it worse.  Often it's
not possible to answer email promptly.  As a novice, I'm very grateful for all
the help I've received on this list, since I only go to classes every month or
two.  In over 10 years on the Net, this is the friendliest, politest, most
helpful, and most erudite discussion forum I've ever taken part in. 

I've been given an old copy of some voice recognition software, which would
take away the strain of typing, but I haven't tried setting it up yet.  I'm
dreading having to teach it to recognise my speech, especially all the lace
terms I'm likely to use!

Regards,
Annette in London

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[lace] Lace Chat digest

[Annette Gill]

<>

There must be something wrong - I've received lace chat digests on 16th,
12th, 9th, 5th and 1st of October.

Regards,
Annette, London

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[lace] Ally Pally and Globe

[Annette Gill]

> From: "Jean Peach" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [lace] Ally Pally & Globe
>
> What is nice about Ally Pally
> is all the other crafts that are there.  I loved the machine made
> dresses from Australia, oh the copes that were made for the
> Archbishop of Canterbury for the Millennium.  I often think that you
> can get ideas for lace from other crafts.

I saw the dresses from Australia briefly, but there were too many people
around them, so I decided to come later and have a proper look.  And then I
forgot!  The embroidery on those copes was stunning.  There was so much to
see that I didn't have much time left to look around the Grand Hall - I just
rushed past most of the stalls.   I spent nearly seven hours there, and it
wasn't nearly enough.  It's a much better show than it used to be.  10 years
ago I remember mainly a lot of cross stitch kits and knitting - not nearly
so much creative stuff as there is now.

Regards,
Annette, London

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[lace] PG lace

[Annette Gill]

> Dear Annette,
> ...
> I've also done some Downton lace - again, not difficult, although
> traditionally, like Chantilly, the headside is worked on the opposite side
to
> Bucks.  But watch the Downton patterns carefully, as they occasionally
have a
> little Torchon technique or two thrown in!!
>
> Regards, Ruth Budge (Sydney, Australia)

I'm intrigued to hear of an English lace being worked with the headside on
the right, as on the Continent.  I suppose there wouldn't be a problem with
reversing the pricking and doing it the way I'm used to?  (the photocopier
at work can reverse images)  Or would that make life difficult in some
obscure way I'm not aware of?  Would the lace police come in the middle of
the night to take me away? :)

Regards,
Annette, London

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[lace] Re: Ally Pally

[Annette Gill]

I'm glad I'm not the only who can't control my credit card when I'm at Ally
Pally!  The Textile Gallery alone is worth the price of admission - there
are always so many gorgeous things there, to look at and to buyand to get
ideas from.  I was fascinated by the display of dolls, and inevitably bought
a book and pattern to try cloth-doll making myself.

I walked straight past the hemp stall, not realising there might be
possibilities for lacemaking with it.  I did get some silk thread from
Jacqui Carey which I will try lacing with.  Thanks for the tip about not
using crochet/tatting thread for PG - I wouldn't have known it wouldn't look
right.  Incidentally, I've found your book very useful for learning about
threads.  When I joined the Lace Guild on Saturday, I was given a free back
issue of the magazine and found a review of your book in it.  I was
astonished to read that the reviewer thought it would only be of interest to
teachers - I'm a near beginner and have already found it very useful in
selecting thread equivalents, and working out how thick and thread and gimp
to use for the pricking I had, based on distance between footside holes.
And the information about the different types of threads at the beginning
was mostly new to me.  So, thanks for a very useful book!

See you at Tonbridge,

Regards,
Annette in London


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> ...I haven't tried using any of them yet, but the one I'm most interested
in
> using is the hemp which I guess will work up similar to linen and I've got
> ideas beginning to go around my head for a project mixing it with Vuorelma
> linen which is of a very similar size.
>
> I also ordered a sample folder of Japanese threads.  When it arrives I
will
> think about ordering some of the silk wrapped stainless steel thread.
> There were a couple of knitted garments on display and they didn't feel as
> stiff as I expected, but I've no idea how it would handle for BL, or any
> other technique.
>
> >   Are there any other point
> > ground laces that aren't too difficult?
>
> All point ground laces are of a similar type based on the net ground and
> working angle of more than 45 degrees.  They all have a similar level of
> difficulty, with regular/geometric/simpler patterns through to elaborate
> floral designs.  IMO the thing which makes PG 'harder' than, say, torchon
> is the fact that PG is usually worked at a small scale with fine thread.
> Try enlarging the pattern a bit so that you can more easily see what you
> are doing, and adjust the thread accordingly, but don't use
crochet/tatting
> cotton as the double spinning means that it won't look right with all the
> twists that PG lace requires.  10 wraps of thread should equal the
distance
> between two footedge pinholes
>
> > Having spent a fortune at Ally Pally, I dread to think what I'll spend
next
> > Sunday at the Tonbridge lace fair.
> >
> I'll be at Tonbridge too - manning the Lace Guild stand, so please come
and
> say hello to me.
>
> Brenda
>
> http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/paternoster/
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[lace] Ally Pally

[Annette Gill]

Did anyone go to The Knitting and Stitching Show at Ally Pally this weekend?
I came away loaded down with lace books - it was my first chance since I
started lacemaking this summer to see a decent range of lace books.  I got the
first of the Tonderknipplinger pattern books but I haven't worked out yet
whether it's more difficult than Bucks Point.  I've just started Bucks and am
already on the lookout for other point ground laces I can attempt - that's the
style I really love.  (I wish I could say I like Honiton, since I'm from the
West Country, but the motif-type laces don't appeal.)  I found a second-hand
book on Downton lace - has anyone tried that?  Are there any other point
ground laces that aren't too difficult?

Having spent a fortune at Ally Pally, I dread to think what I'll spend next
Sunday at the Tonbridge lace fair.  And then Birmingham next month...

Regards,
Annette, London

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[lace] Exhibit/exhibition

[Annette Gill]

I hadn't realised that "exhibition" was used at all in the US, let alone
that there was such a fine distinction between "exhibition" and "exhibit".
Thanks for all the comments on this.  Now I know!

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And yet Frasier and Niles Crane always talk about going to an "exhibit" and
who's more pretentious than they are? 

Regards,
Annette,
London

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[lace] Exhibit/exhibition

[Annette Gill]

<>

I've been meaning to ask this for ages - maybe one of the Americans here can
enlighten me...

What you in the US call an exhibit, we in the UK call an exhibition.  We use
the word exhibit to mean a single item on display within the exhibition.  So,
if the National Gallery had an exhibition of Van Gogh paintings, one of the
exhibits in that exhibition might be his "Wheat Field with Cypresses"
painting.

My question is simply this - what word do you use for what we call an
exhibit?

Regards,
Annette, London

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[lace] Bruges lace shop

[Annette Gill]

Do you have any further details about the shop?

I remember going to Bruges about 25 years ago and seeing some lacemakers,
but I wasn't really interested in lacemaking then.  Now that I am, I'd
like to hop on the Eurostar one weekend and look at lace museums and lace
shops in Bruges.  Can anyone suggest where I could get further details
about lace museums and shops there?

Regards,
Annette, London


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Re: [lace] Re: Working with silk thread

[Annette Gill]

Thanks - I'll bear that in mind.  I wasn't really aware of the different
twists on thread until I read Brenda Paternoster's book.  A very useful
book - but I never realised thread was so complicated!

Regards,
Annette, London


> Hi Annette -
>
> I have found that the silk I work with (Tire) likes to lose
> it's twist when I work with it.  It also had a lot of
> trouble with the hitch jumping off the neck of the bobbin.
> So for this latest project (a Milanese piece started during
> a workshop with Louise Colgan!) I took a closer look and my
> suspicions were confirmed...  Tire silk has a Z-twist
> instead of the S-twist I'm accustomed to.  While many
> knowledgeable people say that that makes no difference, I
> can tell you that reversing the direction I wound my bobbins
> made a huge difference in how the thread behaved.  So be
> sure you know which way your silk is twisted, and wind
> accordingly.
>
> Clay

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[lace] Sewing-in hook

[Annette Gill]

>Couldn't find a picture of this on Tim's website - it this like a latch
hook?
>Regards
>Liz Beecher

Further to what Clay has said, it has quite a deep, sharp hook, which holds
the thread more easily than a crochet hook does.  Other than that, it's like a
crochet hook with the tip bent back, at about the same angle as a Lazy Susan.

Regards,

Annette, London

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[lace] Rolling bobbins etc

[Annette Gill]

I use a piece of fabric that's made from cotton and has a small pile - I don't
know what it's called.  I bought it to use when beading.  I'm not very
experienced with continentals yet, but I think it does make a difference.  The
bobbins still rolled pretty badly the first time I tried them and the thread
untwisted.  I'm now trying a piece of Bucks Point with the larger, Bruges
bobbins, and they seem a bit better. I'd like to try Ultra-suede.

I'm intrigued by the idea of square bobbins.  I have been told that they're
slower to use because they're less "slick" to move around - they don't "slide"
under each other well.  And Tim Parker told me that they often land on an edge
when you drop them back onto the pillow - I suppose this would be a problem if
you have a lot of bobbins crammed closely together on the pillow.  But are
they worth trying if you're prepared to sacrifice speed?  (which I am - my RSI
problem means that working slowly is usually better for my hands.)

Thanks for the info about insect pins.  If they're so long, I can see they
might be a problem if you have to push them right in, say to do sewings.  I've
just bought some Duchesse pins to try - I'll see how I get on.

When I started lacemaking a few months ago, Roz Snowden told me that it was a
fairly inexpensive hobby, since once you've got a pillow and bobbins and some
other bits and pieces, there's nothing much more to buy - the thread is quite
cheap.  I was almost dispappointed, since I love going to fairs to buy new
things for whatever craft I'm doing.  But now I see there are different
bobbins to try, (and when you've settled on a style you have to buy lots of
them so that one day you can do Miss C's mat ) and different sewing in
tools to try, and different pins, and different pillow shapes, and then there
are the books... !

Regards,
Annette, London

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[lace] Lazy Susan

[Annette Gill]

Thank you to the people who described a couple of weeks ago how to do sewings
with a Lazy Susan (sorry, I can't remember who it was).  My first attempt at
sewings, a couple of months ago, was deeply traumatic, as I was using a fine
crochet hook. I swore I'd never do sewings again.  But after reading your
advice, I got a Lazy Susan from Tim Parker, and tried it last night - success!
I haven't finished it yet, so I can't tell until I take the lace off the
pillow how neat it is, but at least I managed to get the blasted bobbin
threads through the loops without too much trauma!

I also bought a sewing-in hook from Tim Parker - has anyone tried this?  The
hook was much better at catching the thread than the crochet hook, but I
couldn't pull it back through the pinhole loop - it kept catching on the
pinhole thread.

Regards,
Annette in London

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[lace] Re: Working with silk thread

[Annette Gill]

Patty,

Thank very much for your notes about the silk threads, and the tips about
wetting the knots.  I know I can get Pipers Silks in the UK from their web
site, but I will look out for the other threads you mention.

What are insect pins?  I've never heard of them!

Regards,
Annette,
London

> Dear Annette,
>
> I have used just about every kind of silk and I finally worked a miniature
parasol from Ann Collier's book of miniature lace for dollhouses (can't
remember the exact title.)  From my experience with the miniature parasol
which I first tried to work in 140 or 160 cotton and it just disintegrated.
So I got serious and pulled out some unboiled 3 ply silk in pale blue with
boiled silk, doubled, in white for the gimp.  I was very happy with the
results

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[lace] Re: Working with silk thread

[Annette Gill]

Robin,

Thanks very much for your suggestions about silk threads.  I think I've seen
YLI threads in local quilt shops, but I don't know whether that included
their silks.  (Or maybe it was in Hobbycraft - sorry for mentioning the H
word, Jean and Liz!)  Thanks also for the tip about the thread untwisting -
I have problems with that when I use continental bobbins, so I'd better
stick to Midlands bobbins when I use silk.

Regards,
Annette, London

> In my opinion, silk is no harder to use than linen and cotton.  Gutermann
> silk is the most like cotton in look and feel, so I don't think you want
> that if you're trying silk for its difference.
>
> Tire and YLI (and a third brand I can't think of right now) silk come on
> spools that look like sewing machine thread, and that's the stuff I'd
> recommend.  It comes in size 50 and 100, and I've used both sizes for
Bucks
> and torchon patterns...

> You do have to watch the rolling bobbins.  The thread is very strong while
> it's properly twisted, but when bobbins roll around it can come untwisted
> and then it breaks easily...

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Re: [lace] Working with silk thread

[Annette Gill]

Adele,

Thank you very much for all this!  I had been looking at Piper's Silks' web
site and was confused as to which thread to use, but it sounds as if spun
silk is the one to start with.

The patterns I've been trying so far are mainly from Roz Snowden's books (I
go to her for classes).  Although they're small, I can see most of what I've
done, with the help of a magnifying glass.  But then I'm only using the
simpler, Torchon patterns at the moment, where there are decent gaps between
the pins.  I've just tried my first Bucks Point pattern, and chose a full
size one, for exactly the reason you mentioned.

Annette

> The softness of thread produced from any fibre depends so much on how
> it is spun. Think of silk organdy fabric, which is very stiff - not
> because it is starched but because of the way the thread is spun and
> how the organdy is woven. Then think of the finest soft silks and how
> soft they are. Both silk, but very different

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[lace] Working with silk thread

[Annette Gill]

I've read that lace made with silk is softer and drapes better than cotton
lace.  Since I want to make lace for dolls house dolls' costumes, a softer
lace would be better.  Can anyone tell me if silk is difficult to work with?
I'm a beginner and was wondering if it's slippery or difficult to control.
Which type of silk works best - spun, floss, filament?

Regards,
Annette in London

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[lace] Intelligent lacemakers?

[Annette Gill]

<>

I've certainly been struck by the long and literate posts to this list. 
Most other craft lists I've subscribed to are full of people who can
scarcely string a coherent sentence together.  I'd already deduced that
lacemakers as a group must be more intelligent than other crafts-people!

Regards,
Annette, London





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[lace] Dolphins

[Annette Gill]

<>

I've always wondered why Poole's emblem is the dolphin.  Have they been
known to swim in Poole Harbour?  And is the Dolphin Shopping Centre what
used to be the Arndale Centre?  (I used to love sliding through the middle
of the wooden turtle in the Arndale - I wasn't popular with my mother when I
did it in white trousers!)

Regarding the Poole Bobbin Lace Circle's lace day in the summer - is it open
to non-members?  Are there suppliers there?

Regards,
Annette,
(in London, but born and brought up in Weymouth)

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[lace] Lace stamps

[Annette Gill]

>

Lori, I notice you've described one of the 2 British stamps as "British
Explorer".  That's not just any British Explorer, that's Sir Walter Raleigh!
I hope he wasn't wearing that nice lace ruff when his head was cut off...

Regards,
Annette,
London

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[lace] Pricking

[Annette Gill]

<>

I also find it helps with putting the pins in.  If I can't see the place I'm
supposed to be putting in the pin very well (eg if it's in a tight spot
surrounded by other pins) I can sort of feel where to put it by feeling for
the pre-pricked hole with the pin tip.

Regards,
Annette, in London

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Re: [lace] Wedding lace finished!

[Annette Gill]

The lace looks really pretty!  I hope the whole hanky turned out well. 
Enjoy the wedding.

Regards,
Annette, London

PS Nice Borg quote - don't remember that one!

--- "C. Morse" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm mostly a lurker on
this group, but I just finished a piece
> of lace to attach to a hanky, for a wedding this coming
> Saturday. I think I've been working on this piece forever,
> but it's finally done!
> 
> Pics are up on my blog:
> 
> http://morseworld.blogspot.com
> 
> The pattern, btw, is from the Pamela Nottingham book,
> "Techniques of Bobbin Lace."
> 
> Caroline in NH
> http://www.atwistonwood.com
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> "The Borg wouldn't know fun if they assimilated an amusement park."
> B'Elanna Torres, USS Voyager



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Re: [lace] Thread stores/Hobbycraft

[Annette Gill]

Trust me, that Bournemouth Hobbycraft is a model of helpfulness compared to
my local one at Crayford.  Their displays are a mess, there are gaps in
their stock, and the staff don't seem to know anything much.

Regards,
Annette in London

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To: "Lace" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 6:52 PM
Subject: [lace] Thread stores/Hobbycraft


> There's a Hobbycraft quite close to me (about a 15-20 minute drive). I
call
> it the craft superstore that doesn't sell much. OK for cross stitch,
> tapestry, rubber stamping, painting, making jewellery with plastic beads
or
> making plastic models of aircraft but not much else. I went there a few
> weeks ago to get some 30 sewing cotton. Firstly I was offered polyester,
> then rayon, and finally "We've got 30 crochet cotton"

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Re: [lace] was London shopping / fabric stores

[Annette Gill]

 --- Beth McCasland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> Wtih the talk about Liberty of London (I have an apple pincushion), and
> stores in New York...  If you're ever in San Francisco, may I suggest
> Britex Fabric store?  Wonderful 4 story fabric store with lots of fabric
> for couture sewing ...

Sounds like heaven on earth!  Any chance they might be persuaded to open a
branch in London?!

Annette, London


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Re: [lace] Re: Thead stores in Tamworth

[Annette Gill]

 --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
> Apologies for raw nerves.  I hate it when good shops go under because of
> the biggies but the answer was true that Hobbycraft is one the main
> suppliers in the area.

I know how you feel. Hobbycraft are OK if you want to start a new craft -
they've got a wide range of things. But it's no good if you want much
beyond beginner's level stuff.  I go there for embroidery threads,
particularly Kreinik metal threads that aren't easy to get, and I've been
able to get some other bits and pieces there that I wouldn't have found on
the high street.

I hate the way the small needlework shops have been going out of business
in recent years - there were 3 in central London that I used to frequent
and they've all gone.   And does anyone remember "The Needlewoman", that
used to be in Regent St about 30 years ago? I never went there, but heard
about it.

Regards,
Annette, in London


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[lace] Re: London fabric shops

[Annette Gill]

 --- Leonard Bazar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 
> If you visit John Lewis, Oxford Street, and/or
> Liberty's (both not as good as they were, but still
> marvellous) don't miss Mccullough & Wallace, 

etc etc

Thanks for all these recommendations.  I wasn't aware of these, and have
been looking for good shops in which to buy fabric - mainly silk - for
dolls-house doll costumes. JL and Liberty's had nothing suitable, and they
were the best shops I knew of. Many years ago there used to be a lovely
shop called Theatreland, off Oxford St, where my mther used to get fabrics
for our ballet costumes, but I think it's gone.  I hadn't realised there
were so many other good shops tucked away in that area.

Regards,
Annette,
London


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Re: [lace] Expense of London Shopping

[Annette Gill]

Hear, hear.  When I visited Manahattan, those were exactly the shops I
wanted to see and I loved them.  I only bought a mug in Saks, and a small
keyring in Tiffanys, but I had a lot of fun looking around.  That area is
wonderful to wander around, even though most of my money was spent in
humbler surroundings (Strand and Gothams bookstores - I bought 50 books
while I was there!)

Regards,
Annette,
London

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> Dear Lacemakers,
>
> I've been receiving a bit of private criticism for my London
recommendations,
> and think the subject deserves some reasoned thought.  Kenn can send this
on
> to the lady in California.
>
> I have big city experience, having lived 13 years in Greenwich Village
(NYC)
> and worked in Manhattan for 15 years.
>
> My sport was figure skating, which I took as seriously as lace, and did
> better than walking.  That means I skated at least once a week at
Rockefeller
> Center.
>
> It was my experience that vast numbers of tourists visited Rockefeller
> Center, which has some of the most expensive shopping in New York around
it - Saks,
> Tiffany's, Cartier's and other fancy retail shops along Fifth Avenue.  On
> American TV early each morning, we see throngs of tourists outside of NBC
at
> Rockefeller Center.  Once the stores open, they must be going to see
those.  It
> does not mean people feel they must buy in these stores.  It is that they
want to
> snap a picture, experience a place, and go home and say they have been
there.
>
> I know of no store in the English-speaking world quite like the House of
> Liberty.  The inquirer is a dressmaker, knitter, tatter and crocheter.
This could
> be the highlight of her trip, if she has never been to London.  Kenn will
> forward our comments, and she will decide for herself.  But, I'd feel
guilty not
> telling her about such a source of creative ideas.  There is no admission
fee
> to stand in the light well of Liberty's and look up at the beautiful
shopping
> spaces above.  Perhaps you've forgotten that the first time you gaze
around
> this building means to catch your breath.  It is a place of living
history,
> where women still come to buy fabrics, ribbons, laces, buttons, etc.  some
125+
> years after it opened for business.  If anyone knows of any American
shopping
> space like this landmark emporium I recommended in London, please share
with me!
>
>
> Kind regards to all,
> Jeri Ames in Maine USA  (To shop does not mean to buy.)
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Re: [lace] Expense of London Shopping

[Annette Gill]

I know what you mean about not wanting to waste time stopping to eat when
you're in the new city.  I just want to experience as much as I can while
I'm there.  London IS expensive - that's why we don't have enough nurses or
doctors in London - we don't pay them enough to afford to live here.
Incidentally, books aren't always the same price everywhere now - bookshops
are now allowed to offer them at lower prices, though that only happens to
the most popular titles.  I like Hatchards, though I don't go there very
often.  Just along Piccadilly (where Simpsons used to be) is a very large
Waterstones.  Maybe either of those would have a selection of lace books.

<>

Ditto, the other way round!  If I wake up at 6am, instead of going back to
sleep, I turn on the computer and see if there are any new messages from
lacemakers on YOUR side of the Pond.

Regards,
Annette, in London

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Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 5:34 PM
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> In a message dated 8/19/03 11:34:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> << Jeri, you forgot to tell her that if she's going to follow your
itinerary
>  in London, she needs to bring a LOT of money! I could spend a fortune in
>  the shops you mention :)
>
>  Regards,
>  Annette in London
> 
> Dear Annette,
>
> Yes, these London shops are expensive.  A day in London doing almost
anything
> is expensive.  Perhaps Loy has never been to London.  I took that
possibility
> into consideration, and gave her an area where she will cover a lot of
> tourist shopping and looking and not have to take a cab or bus.  The
needlework kits
> at Liberty of London (top quality) and new books at Hatchard's (widely
> available) are priced the same everywhere.  The memories of the atmosphere
in these
> fine shops are unique and different from what we have in the U.S.  Maybe
that
> is what Loy would enjoy; her economic situation was not given.  As I think
> about it - it is not inexpensive to shop in the state of California!
>
> There is a reason I put in the suggestion of a snack for the tote bag.  I
am
> able to skip meals, but I have traveled with people who cannot do it and
> sustain energy.  When I'm engrossed in new sights and learning
opportunities, food
> is the last thing on my mind.  I don't want to stop mid-day for two hours.
> Faced with a long line for a meal, a snack at hand can be a blessing.
>
> It is noon here, and I've forgotten breakfast (again).  Always too eager
to
> read what lacemakers across the Big Pond have written while Americans were
> sleeping.
>
> Jeri in Maine
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Re: [lace] Thead stores in the UK (long reply)

[Annette Gill]

Yes, the V&A opens on Mondays now.  The costume department itself is super
- well worth visiting.  The V&A shop also has books on crafts that she
might like.

Jeri, you forgot to tell her that if she's going to follow your itinerary
in London, she needs to bring a LOT of money! I could spend a fortune in
the shops you mention :)

Regards,
Annette in London

PS It doesn't ALWAYS rain in London - I think it's only rained once here
this month!  I haven't taken my umbrella out for weeks...

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> ...Another whole day could be spent at the Victoria and Albert Museum
> (devoted 
> to the decorative arts), but you've indicated you are visiting on
> September 1, 
> which is a Monday.  I recommend verifying the museum would be open on a 
> Monday.  The British Galleries (1500-1900)  have just been refurbished
> at enormous 
> cost, and the needlework and costumes are divine.  I carry a small
> flashlight 
> (called a "torch" by the British) in my purse, so I can discretely light
> up 
> details of lace and embroidery.  Don't make a big issue of the light and
> turn it 
> off between items you wish to see better, and you will probably be OK
> with 
> using it.  Upstairs is the public collection of embroideries and laces. 
> There 
> are wooden cabinets with what looks like trays in an open room to the
> side.  If 
> you pull them out, you can view many more laces and embroideries than
> can be 
> shown in the galleries.  You can read about the new exhibit facilities
> in the 
> January/February 2003 issue of "PieceWork" magazine, which is probably 
> available at your public library.  Or - do a search on the internet.



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Re: [lace] Thead stores in the UK

[Annette Gill]

I don't know about Nuneaton, but if she is coming to London, Liberty's in
Regent St (near Oxford Circus) might be worth a visit.  Its fabric
department is smaller than it was, but it does still have some unusual
fabrics she might be interested in.  It also has knitting and (I think)
crochet and embroidery (an awful lot of needlepoint!)

John Lewis in Oxford St used to have a huge fabric department,  but it's
now a shadow of its former self.  It's still worth looking into if she's
in the area, since it also has knitting.

I don't know what Harrods is like these days - I stopped going there a few
years ago after getting sickened by the antics and posturings of Mohammed
Fayed, who owns it.  But I assume they still have reasonable farbic and
knitting departments.

That's about all I can think of in Central London - the few specialist
knitting/embroidery shops have long gone.  As to lace - practically
nothing.  If she's looking for lace books, the bookshop with the biggest
selection is Foyles, in Charing Cross Rd.  Not a bad selection for a
general bookshop (15-20 titles), but you can probably do better at the
average lace fair.

Acorn Bobbins are in Coventry, which isn't too far from Nuneaton, is it?
(I'm not good at Geography north of Watford!)  I can't get to their
website to check whether they accept personal callers
(www.acornbobbins.co.uk), tel no 024 76442890.

There's a lace supplier called SMP lace in Buckinghamshire who welcome
personal callers on two days a week.  They have bobbins, but just standard
ones, nothing special. http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/smplace/

And maybe she'd be within reach of Chris Parsons near Bath at
http://www.lace-bobbins.co.uk 

Regards,
Annette in London

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> 
> I received this posting tonight from a lady looking for help. 
> Attempting to
> look like am really a nice person (no matter what people say) I am
> asking
> for help.
> 
> Kenn,
> I am in California, USA, and am coming to London on Aug 23 for about 10
> days.  We are staying in Nuneaton, so I was wondering what was there. 
> My
> web search under Nuneaton, UK brought up your web site, but I don't see
> a
> bobbin maker listed in Nuneaton.  I am a dressmaker who likes to tat,
> crochet, and knit so would be interested in visiting a shop of this
> type.
> Can you make a suggestion or two?  I will also have Sept 1 for shopping
> in London.
> Thank you for any help in this area.
> Loy
> 
> ***
> Kenn Van-Dieren
> Bobbins by Van-Dieren
> 2304 Clifford Avenue
> Rochester, NY 14609-3825
> Tel: 585.654.5711
> Cell: 585.750.8842
> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Web Site: www.bobbinmaker.com
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Re: [lace] OIDFA UK Website

[Annette Gill]

The site is definitely up and running.  Have you tried again?  Maybe you
hit a momentary glitch.

Regards,
Annette,
London 

--- "nicky.h-townsend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> Hi Jean
> I tried to access the new site but it came back as page unobtainable,
> any ideas please?
> 
> Nicky in sunny Suffolk
> 
> > For some time the OIDFA UK group has had its own websiteThe address
is:
> >
> > http://www.q7design.demon.co.uk/oidfaUK/



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[lace] Malmesbury Lace

[Annette Gill]

There's a picture of some Malmesbury lace here -
http://www.purtonmuseum.com/index.htm - but it's not a good quality picture,
unfortunately.

Regards,
Annette, in London

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From: "Clay Blackwell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "alice howell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "W & N Lafferty"
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Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 2:31 AM
Subject: Re: [lace] Malmesbury Lace


> Thanks, Alice and others, for your comments on this book -
> which I see that Noelene has bid on!! It seems to be a very
> pretty English "hybrid" lace!  We'll keep our fingers
> crossed for you, Noelene!
>
> I also noticed, when I searched on "Malmesbury" in ebay,
> that there is a book on the history of this town, just in
> case anyone is interested in that as well.
>
> Clay
>
> > The book "Malmesbury Lace" concentrates on the lace that
> was made in the
> > town of Malmesbury, England, for three centuries.
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Re: [lace] Prickings

[Annette Gill]

I tried a cork mat at my lace class, and it seemed tougher to push the
pricker in
to than the polystyrene.  The waxed paper sounds like a good idea - is it
called
baking parchment?  If so, I already have some, though I can't remember why
I bought it since I hardly ever bake.  (I love baking, but since I live
alone, I have to eat the whole lot myself.  I could freeze it, but nothing
beats the taste of cakes and biscuits fresh out of the oven!)

Regards,
Annette, in London


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> When I first started making lace I used an odd bit of polystyrene tile as
a
> pricking board.  After about a year someone persuaded me to blow an entire
> GBP1.50 on a cork pricking board.  This is so much better to use than the
> tile, that you should order one Annette.  Then go to Sainsburys and look
for
> wax coated paper for baking and wrap the cork tile in the wax paper.
Every
> time you prick the needle picks up a tiny bit of wax from the paper,
making
> it slide more easily through the card.  One wrapping of the paper lasts
> ages, so one roll is a lifetime's worth (well unless you use it for
cooking
> as well).

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[lace] Prickings

[Annette Gill]

Linda,

Laminating - what a brilliant idea!  My office has a photocopier, a lot of
blue paper and a small laminator - I'm all set!

Thanks for the idea.

Annette,
London

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[lace] FAQ

[Annette Gill]

Is the FAQ for the Arachne list still available?  I've tried several times to
get it, both by ftp and by requesting it from Majordomo, but always get an
error.

Regards,
Annette,
London

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[lace] Prickings

[Annette Gill]

<>

I was told to do it this way and haven't had any problem with getting the pins
in.  As to accuracy, I'm not sure how it would be worse with this method - I
just try hard to prick dead vertically.

I don't have anything to prick onto yet, so I use the bottom of my polystyrene
mushroom pillow.  I've just bought a block pillow, and intend to use the side
of the blocks to prick.  I suppose I ought to go and get a polystyrene ceiling
tile from B&Q!

Regards,
Annette,
London

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[lace] Pictures on Arachne

[Annette Gill]

A few weeks ago, someone was talking about the fact that you can't post
pictures to this list, and mentioned that this had been discussed a lot in the
past.  As a newcomer, I don't know what solututions were proposed and
rejected, but wondered whether anyone had suggested setting up a Yahoo Group
just for the pictures?

I belong to a Yahoo Group for Miniature Dollmaking, and although you can't
post pictures to messages in that Group, they have also set up a second Group
where you can post pictures.  If someone wants to post a picture for everyone
else to see, they send a message to the main list to say they have put the
picture on the MiniDolls Picture Group. If you want to see it, you can go to
the Yahoo Groups web site and take a look.

Would that work for Arachne?  Yahoo Groups are very simple to set up and to
join.

Regards,
Annette,
London

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[lace] Dorset Arts and Crafts show

[Annette Gill]

Elizabeth,

Congratulations to your mother on her Highly Commended!  I remember the
Crinoline Lady, and it was very good.  I hope the seahorse goes well too.  I'm
impressed at the way people can make lace in spite of various physical
problems - I always assumed you had to have dextrous hands and very good
eyesight, but apparently not.  I'm grateful for that myself.

I was quite inspired by the pieces on display, and considered joining DACA
myself as an out-of-county member and trying to produce something to enter.
My mother has entered embroidery before but couldn't this year as she was in
hospital on the day you were supposed to take the entries to be judged. I was
born and brought up in Dorset (in Weymouth), and am interested in Dorset
crafts.  I bought some materials from one of the traders there to make Dorset
buttons.  Many of them are fascinating.  And I remember being taught Dorset
Feather Stitchery at school - I made an apron for my mother that she still
has.  (I know it doesn't really count as a traditional Dorset craft.)

Regards,
Annette,
London

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[lace] Continental bobbins

[Annette Gill]

Can anyone who has experience of using Continental bobbins tell me whether
they are easier to pick up and handle than Midlands bobbins?

I'm struggling with RSI at the moment, and find that the muscle movements
required to pick up the slender Midlands bobbins is causing problems.  I
thought that with, say, a Brugges bobbin, I could put the first and second
fingers on either side of the bobbin, and then "pull" down against the bulb of
the bobbin and pick it up without having to "grip" the bobbin much.  Is that
how you pick up a Brugges bobbin?

At the moment I try to do something similar by pulling down on the spangles
(of my Midlands bobbins), but as they lie flat on the pillow, they're not
always easy to pick up.

Regards,
Annette
(in London)

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[lace] Bolsters etc

[Annette Gill]

Thank you Ann, Jean and Linda for the information about bolster pillows.  I
don't know whether I could use a straw-filled pillow though - doesn't it take
more force to push the pins in?  Ann's instructions for making one sound a bit
violent - my arms and shoulders wouldn't be up to that at the moment!

It sounds as if a bolster might be a good shape for me.  I tried some
continentals for the first time last night, on a fairly flat block pillow, and
they drove me nuts.  Even with a velvet-type fabric underneath, they rolled
around a lot, and they're so light I couldn't get much tension.  But they are
easier to handle.  I'll have to keep experimenting.

May I add my congratulations to Janice - the mask is exquisite!

Re the insects; I have a polystyrene pillow, but last night was just about to
start a Torchon spider when a large spider crawled out from underneath the
cloth.  Pillow and bobbins went flying, but neither that nor my shrieks
dislodged him.  So I whacked him with a roll of blue Coverseal... no freezer
required!

Regards,
Annette

PS I'm sorry if I'm not responding promptly to those who've emailed me
privately - the RSI is bad at the moment and I have to limit the amount of
typing I do each day.  I have some voice-recognition software which would help
- I really must get around to installing it...

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