[lace] Re IOLI

[Shirley MEIER]

I agree with you Janice , I prefer to hold it in my hand and read it at my
leisure.
Shirl in Corio , Oz.

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[lace] RE: IOLI convention

[Elizabeth Ligeti]

Elizabeth Correa  -- I look forward to meeting you at the IOLI convention.
We will be there a couple of days beforehand.   What class will you be in?
I am in the morning Tatting class - making the necklace shown on the IOLI
convention list of classes. ( class 514 I think).

It is always fun to meet up with others on this list, and I have made many
friends though the list, and meeting them at Convention.
 
I will have a husband tacking on!!  I hope there will be some other husbands
there, so he can find someone to talk to while I am busy learning tatting!!
The Husband he has made friens with for the last 2 conventions we have been
to, is unable to come this time, - so I hope he finds someone else to
befriend! Saves me worrying about him getting bored. :)

Regards from Liz in Melbourne, Oz.
lizl...@bigpond.com

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Re: Re: [lace] Re: IOLI Convention

[Louise in Central Virginia]

 As I said. being creative and thinking outside the box is characteristic of 
most lacemakers !
 
 
 Louise in Central Virginia

On 05/07/16, Clay Blackwell wrote:

Hi, Louise! LOL at your travel solution! I never heard that story before!

Fast forward (or backward) to 2010 when I went to Belgium. I was working a 
round mat, and wanted to use my German felt block pillow along with the round 
block that can be used in place of one 6" block. And of course the back (frame) 
of the German pillow did not fit in my luggage! 

So... Terry made me another base for the block pillow, and this had a piano 
hinge down the middle. It folded so that the base of the pillow was inside the 
fold, but the hinge allowed the pillow to sag in the middle. So... A few 
judiciously placed felt feet kept the middle on even keel, and a miniature 
brass latch on each end of the fold kept the sides even. 

To make life easier, I made a zip-up case for it. I would put the half and 
whole pillows on one side, cover with one half of the case, and then turn the 
whole thing over. Then I would put the remaining blocks (including the round 
one) on the other side, zip it up, and everything was tight. If security wanted 
to scan the case separately, no harm done.

On the return trip when the round block was filled with pins and attached to 
200+ Binche bobbins, I first took a picture of the block with bobbins, and 
printed it out. Then I carefully bundled the bobbins and used another block of 
shipping foam with a hole in the middle to surround the pins. This kept them 
safe, and then the whole bundle was wrapped to keep the bobbins stable. The 
picture, and an explanation, was attached with pins to the bundle.

Not a thread was broken! Not a bobbin disturbed! As a lacemaker, it pays to be 
OCD, because security knows we are some "special" individuals!!! LOL!

I have traveled with this pillow several times now, and it works like a charm!

I have flown to several IOLI conventions, and the organizers have always been 
careful to keep Airport Security aware of the impending influx of crazy ladies 
with massive supplies of pins and sticks! That is usually the best recourse!

Clay
Clay Blackwell
Lymchburg, VA


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> On May 7, 2016, at 4:04 PM, Louise in Central Virginia  
> wrote:
 > Being creative and thinking outside the box is character of most lacemakers

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[lace] Re: IOLI Convention

[Louise in Central Virginia]

 That is a great idea to provide cheep pillows for members who fly.


The one time I had to fly to IOLI Convention, I was taking 2 classes and needed 
20 inch pillows for both.  So I got creative and made a 20 inch foam block 
pillow, but instead of backing it with plyboard, I used artist's foam board 
which made it much lighter.  But my luggage was only 18 inches wide!  My 
solution was to make a cut about 8 inches from one edge of the pillow and then 
make a hinge with Duck Tape so I could fold the edge back and fit it into my 
luggage. To lock it into place when in use, I used a flat strip of wood (ie 
tongue depresser) between foam and board.  With an extra block  and extra cover 
cloth for 2nd class I was all set.


Being creative and thinking outside the box is character of most lacemakers!


Louise in Central Virginia

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[lace] Re: IOLI Convention

[Susan Reishus]

From a PR/mktg standpoint - a priority for many attending is vendors/shopping,
and socializing/camaraderie.  Of course people want to learn something, but
may not get into a class that they want to.  The lull that sustains is the
first two mentioned, and one has to consider if you will also lose vendors
traveling to two distant places (with increasing travel costs).  Some may feel
they have to choose, and that cuts into whatever slim profits they already
have.  We can't lose more lace suppliers who get over-stretched.  


Then if
you have 300 ct. attendees at one national event, there is a likelihood to get
less than half per when the venue is split, and it is twice the work.  It is
more economical to fly one person to teach 20 people, than to have 20 people
travel to the instructor, but if the passion is there, they will do it.

It
seems like it is dividing up the pieces of the pie a bit too scantly.  Then
again it could create competition so each tries to have better offerings.  I
think some get bored with attending in their own area over time, and prefer a
new place and sites to see.  With costs going up for transportation, people
likely are more focused on visiting a new place while there as more 'bang for
their buck,' as Alice shared.

Best,
Susan Reishus   

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Re: [lace] RE: IOLI Convention

[Dmt11home]

Alice has done a good job in answering your questions. One  aspect of the 
organization of the Lace conventions is that a local group hosts  the 
convention. This is a very charming thing, as the host group is always very  
gracious and eager to share the special things about their area with the  
attendees. One hears about lace history or enterprises that are known only  
locally, 
and one has the chance to experience local teachers. There was one case  
where a group that lived in Texas, but in a small town, hosted a convention in 
 San Antonio on the theory that more people would like to visit there than 
in  their town. 
You mention that in the Science Fiction community sometimes a  group is 
willing to organize an event in a different city. How does this work?  For our 
purposes, it seems like it would be very hard for a group to organize a  
convention in a city where they don't live, although actually, it is often the  
case that a group is so spread out that some of the members who take an 
active  role in the convention are rather far from its location. But 
presumably, members  of the group are visiting the hotel, counting and timing 
the 
elevators  :-) setting up tours, doing dry runs of tours, auditioning 
entertainment  and porting large quantities of items into the hotel from home, 
including slide  projectors, easels, items for sale, exhibit items that have 
been 
sent to them,  items for the competitions, etc. 
How did the Sci Fi group organize something in another  location? How far 
away would the location be? 
 
Devon

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[lace] RE: IOLI Convention

[lackam]

Meant to send this to the group but my computer was not co-operating so I am
sending it again:
?
I thing what everyone is ignoring here is that for those of us in the US, or
others near by, is the distance issue. As travel becomes more expensive it is
just not easy for someone to pick up and travel long distances. For me to go
to the convention this year would mean traveling almost two thousand miles
with all of its expenses before I even figure in the hotel and convention
costs. Maybe what we need here is to split the convention into two
conventions. With one for the eastern side and one for the western side you
could rotate classes and vendors every other year so everyone has a chance to
attend more often. They would end up being smaller conventions maybe but that
might make it easier also.

My other problem with the convention is the timing. For those of us
(admittedly not many) with children still in school it does present a problem
of timing. As our schools begin earlier and earlier, with the sports teams
starting even earlier, it makes it impossible to attend. Younger lacemakers do
have to take such things into consideration when planning to attend a lace
event. If you want to attact new, younger lacemakers you need to consider
this. Any high school/college age lacemaker would most likely not be able to
attend if they could afford it due to timing restrains from school. Everyone
wants to attract the new lacemakers so they can carry on the art but most of
your accomidations are centered on the older lace makers. How about we do both
when planning the next convention? Both groups could learn from each other.

Amber
Forest, VA

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Re: [lace] RE: IOLI Convention

[lynrbailey]

Amber wrote:
I thing what everyone is ignoring here is that for those of us in the US, or
others near by, is the distance issue. ... Maybe what we need here is to split 
the convention into two
conventions. .

My other problem with the convention is the timing. For those of us
(admittedly not many) with children still in school it does present a problem
of timing.    If you want to attract new, younger lacemakers you need to 
consider
this. Any high school/college age lacemaker would most likely not be able to
attend if they could afford it due to timing restrains from school. Everyone
wants to attract the new lacemakers so they can carry on the art but most of
your accommodations are centered on the older lace makers. How about we do both
when planning the next convention? Both groups could learn from each other.

Dear Amber, et al,
I don't think there are that many people who attend IOLI every year.  The 
convention travels around the country, depending on the lace group presenting 
it.  I suspect, although I have no evidence, that those on either coast have 
more attendance because they are closer to more people, who would be more 
likely to come, but wherever it is, it draws the 'local' people.  

Would late July work better?  It may be that moving the date a bit in the 
summer would entice some who don't come to IOLI.  

One nice thing is that there is little complaint about the cost of the 
teachers.  They work very hard for not a whole lot of money.  Thank you 
teachers, you are a dedicated bunch, much more interested in passing on your 
knowledge than making money.

At issue is the cost of the other aspects of the IOLI convention. It would be 
very interesting to see if a change in venue, perhaps to a school, would result 
in more or different people coming.  Expensive conventions have had classes in 
bedrooms.  Even fancy hotel food will not please everyone.  Reduce the cost, 
and people have said they would be more likely to come.  What criteria can be 
dispensed with in order to reduce the price, and will this reduction increase 
attendance?  No one has the answer yet.  Let us always remember that nothing 
that is done will please everyone.  

Lyn in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, USA where I want spring to warm up.  

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Re: [lace] RE: IOLI Convention

[John Mead]

I'm not familiar with how IOLI rotates the annual conference. In the
science fiction fan community, Worldcon rotates between East
Coast/Midwest/West Coast, with bids from elsewhere in the world acceptable
at any time; Canada being considered part and parcel for the standard
rotation. Anyway, every three years Worldcon will be at
least theoretically close by, for certain values of close by [West Coast
tends to be in southern California, or so it seems, definitely not in
OR/WA/BC]. Next level down, at least for my part of the country, is
Westercon, which perambulates around the West Coast, and has made it to
Seattle, Portland, and other parts North, as well as Reno, Las Vegas, and
Phoenix. I've been to one worldcon, I was working in Chicago when it was
last held there, I've been to several Westercons, because they happened in
Portland while I was living there.

I guess what I'm wondering is if IOLI has any type of regional rotation on
where the convention occurs? I gather it's happened in Portland, OR, so it
can be hosted by upper mid-sized cities.  Are there areas that just will
never have a chance to see IOLI unless they travel mega miles? I'd guess
the upper mountain states are on their own, but is Minneapolis possible?
Calgary? Of course, this presumes a lace presence in the area, unless a
group formed which was willing to organize from afar, which has happened in
the science fiction community.

How bad is it, in regard to certain areas never being within daytrip range
of IOLI? What is the average attendance? I'm hearing the figures of 12 and
24 hours for classes, which I'm presuming are spread out over several days,
because I'm not up to 12 hour days any longer, and I'm only 52, so how many
hours/day are we looking at? Do people sign up for multiple classes, or
just one?  And are there smaller, regional conventions? What's the break
even point, in regard to attendance staying at the venue? And the
accessibility needs?

I guess, what are the differences from the SF fan conventions I attended
for many years, and also the SCA things I've been involved with, although
the latter aren't good comparisons, although more of them are happening in
hotels these days as certain events just get so big.

Yours,

John Mead
Tacoma, WA, but formerly Portland, OR, and Chicago, IL

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[lace] RE: IOLI convention registration

[Janice Blair]

Hi Rebecca,
No-one has been informed that they have the class of their choice yet.  If 
someone has been contacted by the Registrar, it is usually to ask what their 
second choice may be because their first choice class is full.  If they then 
assume they will get their second choice, they are probably correct.  Some 
members in the host group of Beehive Lacers may have been told by their 
committee that their registration is okay, but that is not official yet.  No 
decisions will be made about final placements until the end of May. 
 Registrations are still coming in, although slower than in the initial period 
and we are hoping to be able to provide as many classes as we offered in the 
Bulletin.

Please do not assume that classes are full or cancelled, take a chance and send 
in your registration and come and join us in Salt Lake City where we hope to 
provide everyone with great classes and another wonderful convention 
experience, 
plus the chance to see and hear the Tabernacle Choir rehearsal in the 
Tabernacle.

Janice

I was speaking to a fellow lacemaker a few days ago and she said she and her
sister already know what classes they are taking.  I sent in my registration
before Feb 1 and my check was cashed in February, but I have yet to hear about
the classes I will be taking.  When can I expect to find out?

Rebecca in Utah
 Janice Blair
Crystal Lake, 50 miles northwest of Chicago, Illinois, USA
www.jblace.com
http://www.lacemakersofillinois.org

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[lace] RE: IOLI convention registration

[Rebecca Mikkelsen]

I was speaking to a fellow lacemaker a few days ago and she said she and her
sister already know what classes they are taking.  I sent in my registration
before Feb 1 and my check was cashed in February, but I have yet to hear about
the classes I will be taking.  When can I expect to find out?

Rebecca in Utah

 I also want to take this opportunity to mention the upcoming IOLI
convention,
 and I hope I don't offend anyone by this.  Some classes are already filled
to
 capacity, such as those taught by Louise Colgan, Ulrike Voelker, and Allie
 Marguccio but we still have some spaces with Anny Noben Slegers, Jean
Leader,
 Holly van Sciver and many other teachers.  Don't think you are too late in
 registering as I am sure Brenda Glenn, Registrar, will be able to place you
in a
 class, and maybe one that you might have thought was already filled.

 For those of you who are waiting anxiously to know what your classes are, we
are
 still working hard on placements.  If your check has been cashed, you know
that
 it was received by Brenda.

 Janice Blair
 IOLI Teacher Coordinator

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[lace] Re: IOLI Bulletin - Devon does it again!!!

[Tamara P Duvall]

On Jan 7, 2010, at 19:27, Janice Blair wrote:

I got my Winter IOLI Bulletin this afternoon and as this usually is 
the Bulletin that has the details about convention in, I tend to go to 
the center pages.  Not this time.  Devon Thein has written a long, 
long (9 pages) article, several without pictures, that is a 
fascinating read.  DH kept asking me questions and my reply was I'm 
reading!!


I usually start real reading (as opposed to flipping through) with 
Devon's contributions. Not this time :) Came back from my stint at the 
Free Clinic so bushed, I didn't think I could give it full justice, 
seing that it was not a litle bon-bon but a boxfull of them. Tomorrow. 
Today, all I was able to notice are the little -- and lovely -- changes 
to the layout and the new How do I...? column which, as a dedicated 
lace techie (rude mechanical), I find of particular interest. We're 
growing; if not in size, then in poise.


--
Tamara P Duvallhttp://t-n-lace.net/
Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland)

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[lace] Re: IOLI Convention

[Susan Reishus]

From: Francis Busschaert francis.busscha...@telenet.be
Subject: [lace] our USA ioli adventure part 1
I hope you don't think that Los Angeles, is representative of the US!  No
disrespect to LA, but just like Europe, there are cities and farm fields,
friendly and lots of not-so-friendly,  I used to travel to NYC all the time
for business, and am always stymied at how rude people are.  I have been to LA
several times and though not as bad, there is a similar big city feeling and
all that that brings (though I live in a city elsewhere).  
The same when I have been to Europe.  How I am treated in a large city is
completely different than a smaller town.  People vary from not even answering
you when you speak their language, to asking you home for dinner in Nice or
Monaco, for instance.    

The only non-sugar that I can think of is stevia, (sorgum, and one other which
escapes my mind).  All supermarkets have stevia, but you have to know to look
or just ask.  Now Cargill and Coca Cola have come out with their own brand
name version, but again, stevia is available most anywhere except the most
rural situations, and they probably have the branded version.
Did you go to Rodeo Drive?  LOL
I hope you found a plethora of wonderful people at the convention, at least
all pre-bonded by their passion for creating beautiful things, and the
beautiful people who do it.
Best,Susan Reishus
 
hallo to all

So we went to the USA
I finaly did not take knitting needles on the plane
because i all to well remember that custums and airportsecurity peolpe 
lac any kind of polite and frindly comprehensive caracter
i beleve they are specialy trained in beeing a  in the . it is 
at your own imagination to fill in the .
when i finaly was on that plane,
I a was happy not to have my knittigneedles
there is no place to move around my arms and elbows to knit..
not whitout hurting the co-passengers anyway
so no knitting

i fly a lot evry year in europe short cityhoppers  so in and out the plane
and it is always out of holliday periods
so i forgot how it is when you do travel in holidayperiods
what it is like to have very small, small and even bigger children on 
the plane
or the nonstop blond narative waterfall
or big dinosoruslike persons next to you or behind you
whom just fit in the chair and even beyond that chair
and were you have to dwell and survive for 8 painfully long hours evry 
airbreeding movement and other fysical  movements
were you feel the knees of that person al to we in your back
where you see and mostly hear the children of parents whom lost the 
parental battle against there own monsters a veryyy long time ago
boy o boy i still want children but that are the moments were you realy 
think twice
somehow you seem to not feel the dinosaur anymore
somehow you seem to not notice the little gremlins  anymore
somehow you seem to be able to dwell in a state of sleeping and not 
noticing all the rest

we survived the trip

and suddenly you are in Los Angeles
it was the first time we were in the USA
it realy is DIFFEREND
not in big ways but in small remarcable thinghs
the first thing we noticed was the imens amounts of traffic
and all those small busses for the hotels, and carparks etcetc
sooo many traffic
and soo big cars, driving monsters on 4 or more wheels
big bigger bigest shining metal monsters
we did not see any old cars
it was like a new presenting carshow

we took the ride to the hotel
settled down and asked at the concierge were we could find a supermarket
BIG MISTAKE..
he said only 10 minutes around the corner a bit further
welll those 10 minutes became 45 minutes of walking  real walking
in skin burning SUN and hot air
i felt like a vampire in the sun and  i was smimming in my own underware...
that was the first time we noticed the small distinct  other way of 
seeing distances
at that point were were awake for 28 hours, to give you a bit the 
feelling we had in our remainders of brain

we espacily go first to see supermarkets when we arrive in other countrys
for us it is like a contempary museum of the living culture or like 
the ambasy of lifestyl
what you see there is what you will get for the rest of the time beeing

so my remarks are
were do you find non sugar containing yogurt and when i say non sugar i 
do not want some kind of fake/synthetic sugar in it
like aspartaan or what ever   we could not find any natural non 
sugartasty yogurt  IMPOSSIBLE
and the more you see other products the more you notice that vertualy 
all is sugary, sweetend, honny.

where are those lovly hard baked cookies biscuits and other delights?
it seems to be mostly half baked whatevers
i like them crunchy

what the HELL happend whit chocolate in the USA
why does all chocolate products taste like ... well i can not decribe it
must be some recycled wasteproduct of the pertochem industry
my god that is in the eys of us belgiums (and swiss) like  blasfamy
you shall not rape or violate the 

Re: [lace] Re: IOLI Convention

[Clay Blackwell]

Wow, Susan - in defending LA, you surely slammed NYC!  I've been to the 
city many times, and I don't share your view of New Yorkers.


Clay


Susan Reishus wrote:

From: Francis Busschaert francis.busscha...@telenet.be
Subject: [lace] our USA ioli adventure part 1
I hope you don't think that Los Angeles, is representative of the US!  No
disrespect to LA, but just like Europe, there are cities and farm fields,
friendly and lots of not-so-friendly,  I used to travel to NYC all the time
for business, and am always stymied at how rude people are.  I have been to LA
several times and though not as bad, there is a similar big city feeling and
all that that brings (though I live in a city elsewhere).  
The same when I have been to Europe.  How I am treated in a large city is

completely different than a smaller town.  People vary from not even answering
you when you speak their language, to asking you home for dinner in Nice or
Monaco, for instance.


The only non-sugar that I can think of is stevia, (sorgum, and one other which
escapes my mind).  All supermarkets have stevia, but you have to know to look
or just ask.  Now Cargill and Coca Cola have come out with their own brand
name version, but again, stevia is available most anywhere except the most
rural situations, and they probably have the branded version.
Did you go to Rodeo Drive?  LOL
I hope you found a plethora of wonderful people at the convention, at least
all pre-bonded by their passion for creating beautiful things, and the
beautiful people who do it.
Best,Susan Reishus
 
hallo to all


So we went to the USA
I finaly did not take knitting needles on the plane
because i all to well remember that custums and airportsecurity peolpe 
lac any kind of polite and frindly comprehensive caracter
i beleve they are specialy trained in beeing a  in the . it is 
at your own imagination to fill in the .

when i finaly was on that plane,
I a was happy not to have my knittigneedles
there is no place to move around my arms and elbows to knit..
not whitout hurting the co-passengers anyway
so no knitting

i fly a lot evry year in europe short cityhoppers  so in and out the plane
and it is always out of holliday periods
so i forgot how it is when you do travel in holidayperiods
what it is like to have very small, small and even bigger children on 
the plane

or the nonstop blond narative waterfall
or big dinosoruslike persons next to you or behind you
whom just fit in the chair and even beyond that chair
and were you have to dwell and survive for 8 painfully long hours evry 
airbreeding movement and other fysical  movements

were you feel the knees of that person al to we in your back
where you see and mostly hear the children of parents whom lost the 
parental battle against there own monsters a veryyy long time ago
boy o boy i still want children but that are the moments were you realy 
think twice

somehow you seem to not feel the dinosaur anymore
somehow you seem to not notice the little gremlins  anymore
somehow you seem to be able to dwell in a state of sleeping and not 
noticing all the rest


we survived the trip

and suddenly you are in Los Angeles
it was the first time we were in the USA
it realy is DIFFEREND
not in big ways but in small remarcable thinghs
the first thing we noticed was the imens amounts of traffic
and all those small busses for the hotels, and carparks etcetc
sooo many traffic
and soo big cars, driving monsters on 4 or more wheels
big bigger bigest shining metal monsters
we did not see any old cars
it was like a new presenting carshow

we took the ride to the hotel
settled down and asked at the concierge were we could find a supermarket
BIG MISTAKE..
he said only 10 minutes around the corner a bit further
welll those 10 minutes became 45 minutes of walking  real walking
in skin burning SUN and hot air
i felt like a vampire in the sun and  i was smimming in my own underware...
that was the first time we noticed the small distinct  other way of 
seeing distances
at that point were were awake for 28 hours, to give you a bit the 
feelling we had in our remainders of brain


we espacily go first to see supermarkets when we arrive in other countrys
for us it is like a contempary museum of the living culture or like 
the ambasy of lifestyl

what you see there is what you will get for the rest of the time beeing

so my remarks are
were do you find non sugar containing yogurt and when i say non sugar i 
do not want some kind of fake/synthetic sugar in it
like aspartaan or what ever   we could not find any natural non 
sugartasty yogurt  IMPOSSIBLE
and the more you see other products the more you notice that vertualy 
all is sugary, sweetend, honny.


where are those lovly hard baked cookies biscuits and other delights?
it seems to be mostly half baked whatevers
i like them crunchy

what the HELL happend whit chocolate in the USA
why does all chocolate products taste like ... well i can 

[lace] Re: IOLI Convention

[Susan Reishus]

Oh, I slammed it?  Not my intention, just comparisons.  I just think New
Yorkers can be very cool and rude, but I still like the city.  My ex was born
and raised in Manhattan, one of those prep school boys so biases me toward
even more endearment, but I have never been treated so badly (other than one
European city), and I went regularly  Perhaps some things have changed since
9/11.  
LA people aren't the same at all, compared to the former.  Of course if you
are near an airport or convention center that will attract a whole 'nother
attitude altogether, often non-reflective of a cities inhabitants.  I didn't
define some European cities, which can be extremely rude, even with  local
friends hosting me and as a buffer.
Oh well.  Odd how people read words differently than intended, but I was
frank, but not nearly as much so as Francis was.  smile 
Oddly, I don't find it funny as per other comments, as it is sad that Francis
had such a bad time and was so disappointed. There can be rotten apples in any
bunch, but there are patterns or tones that areas have.
Plain yogurt can be found in any supermarket I have been in, but is not
obvious as there are perhaps one or two brands, compared to dozens of sugared
or fake-sugared ones.
Best,Susan Reishus  
--- On Sun, 8/9/09, Clay Blackwell clayblackw...@comcast.net wrote:

From: Clay Blackwell clayblackw...@comcast.net
Subject: Re: [lace] Re: IOLI Convention
To: Susan Reishus elationrelat...@yahoo.com
Cc: post to Arachne lace@arachne.com
Date: Sunday, August 9, 2009, 2:07 PM

Wow, Susan - in defending LA, you surely slammed NYC!  I've been to the city
many times, and I don't share your view of New Yorkers.

Clay


Susan Reishus wrote:
 From: Francis Busschaert francis.busscha...@telenet.be
 Subject: [lace] our USA ioli adventure part 1
 I hope you don't think that Los Angeles, is representative of the US!  No
 disrespect to LA, but just like Europe, there are cities and farm fields,
 friendly and lots of not-so-friendly,  I used to travel to NYC all the time
 for business, and am always stymied at how rude people are.  I have been to
LA
 several times and though not as bad, there is a similar big city feeling
and
 all that that brings (though I live in a city elsewhere).  The same when I
have been to Europe.  How I am treated in a large city is
 completely different than a smaller town.  People vary from not even
answering
 you when you speak their language, to asking you home for dinner in Nice or
 Monaco, for instance.    
 The only non-sugar that I can think of is stevia, (sorgum, and one other
which
 escapes my mind).  All supermarkets have stevia, but you have to know to
look
 or just ask.  Now Cargill and Coca Cola have come out with their own brand
 name version, but again, stevia is available most anywhere except the most
 rural situations, and they probably have the branded version.
 Did you go to Rodeo Drive?  LOL
 I hope you found a plethora of wonderful people at the convention, at least
 all pre-bonded by their passion for creating beautiful things, and the
 beautiful people who do it.
 Best,Susan Reishus

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Re: [lace] re: IOLI Bulletin

[Malvary J Cole]

Having just come back from UK after attending the Lace Guild Convention in 
Worcester and the Lace Society AGM in Alcester, my 'stopped' mail has now 
been delivered and I don't have my IOLI Bulletin either.


Malvary in Ottawa, where it was 30c when we touched down on Monday, but has 
cooled off a bit since.


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Re: [lace] re: IOLI Bulletin-address to contact when not received

[Dmt11home]

I have forwarded your message to Bulletin editor, Cynthia Tiger. For  
future reference, her email address for Bulletin related problems is 
_ioli.bulle...@gmail.com_ (mailto:ioli.bulle...@gmail.com) 
I think it would be best if people contacted her directly when they do not  
receive their bulletin.
Devon
 
 
In a message dated 4/29/2009 12:38:33 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
malva...@sympatico.ca writes:

Having  just come back from UK after attending the Lace Guild Convention in 
 
Worcester and the Lace Society AGM in Alcester, my 'stopped' mail has now  
been delivered and I don't have my IOLI Bulletin either.

Malvary in  Ottawa, where it was 30c when we touched down on Monday, but 
has 
cooled  off a bit since.

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Re: [lace] re: IOLI Bulletin-address to contact when notreceived

[Beth Mccasland]

I would also humbly add to check a previous issue and see when your
membership expired.  It isn't IOLI's fault I didn't get my Spring
issue.  Frankly I don't remember getting a reminder notice, but at least I
figured out WHY I haven't received a Bulletin.  The check's in the mail.  

And this weekend I take on a new BL student, who found me through a friend
of a friend who got my name through the IOLI Directory.  (I do wish the
IOLI person contacted me directly, so I wasn't completely thrown for a
loop.)  Here's hoping all goes well.

Beth McCasland
in the suburbs of New Orleans
where it's a beautifully warm spring day



 [Original Message]
 From: dmt11h...@aol.com
 To: malva...@sympatico.ca
 Cc: lace@arachne.com; ioli.bulle...@gmail.com
 Date: 4/29/2009 11:49:13 AM
 Subject: Re: [lace] re: IOLI Bulletin-address to contact when not received

 I have forwarded your message to Bulletin editor, Cynthia Tiger. For  
 future reference, her email address for Bulletin related problems is 
 _ioli.bulle...@gmail.com_ (mailto:ioli.bulle...@gmail.com) 
 I think it would be best if people contacted her directly when they do
not  
 receive their bulletin.
 Devon
  
  
 In a message dated 4/29/2009 12:38:33 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
 malva...@sympatico.ca writes:

 Having  just come back from UK after attending the Lace Guild Convention
in 
  
 Worcester and the Lace Society AGM in Alcester, my 'stopped' mail has now

 been delivered and I don't have my IOLI Bulletin either.

 Malvary in  Ottawa, where it was 30c when we touched down on Monday, but 
 has 
 cooled  off a bit since.

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Re: [lace] re: IOLI Bulletin

[Diane Williams]

I haven't gotten mine yet either.
 Diane Williams 
drswilli...@yahoo.com
Galena Illinois USA 
My blog - http://dianelaces.wordpress.com/

From: Janice Blair jbl...@sbcglobal.net
To:
lace lace@arachne.com
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 12:34:06 PM
Subject:
[lace] re: IOLI Bulletin

Hi Sue,
I got mine last week, I think it came on
Monday.  I know that 3 members in
Cherry Valley have not received theirs yet
but another in Rockford got hers
last week.  Maybe all your copies are held up
in Chicago, which was a
suggestion by the post office at CV.
Janice

Date:
Thu, 16 Apr 2009 08:04:01 -0500
From: Sue Babbs sueba...@comcast.net
Subject: Re: [lace] IOLI bulletin

I have seen hints that the latest IOLI
bulletin came out over a week ago. Is
this really the case? or is it only
those that write articles for it that
have already received it? Just wondering
as there is no sign of mine yet

Sue

Janice Blair

Crystal Lake, 50 miles
northwest of Chicago, Illinois, USA

www.jblace.com
http://www.lacemakersofillinois.org

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[lace] Re: IOLI Bulletin

[pene piip]

I received my copy of the IOLI Bulletin early this week.
I enjoyed reading Devon's story about her Knotwork Knot.
Pene
in Tartu, southern Estonia

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[lace] re: IOLI Bulletin

[Janice Blair]

Hi Sue,
I got mine last week, I think it came on Monday.  I know that 3 members in
Cherry Valley have not received theirs yet but another in Rockford got hers
last week.  Maybe all your copies are held up in Chicago, which was a
suggestion by the post office at CV.
Janice

Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 08:04:01 -0500
From: Sue Babbs sueba...@comcast.net
Subject: Re: [lace] IOLI bulletin

I have seen hints that the latest IOLI bulletin came out over a week ago. Is
this really the case? or is it only those that write articles for it that
have already received it? Just wondering as there is no sign of mine yet

Sue

Janice Blair

Crystal Lake, 50 miles northwest of Chicago, Illinois, USA

www.jblace.com

http://www.lacemakersofillinois.org

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[lace] Re: IOLI website

[Mark, aka Tatman]

Thank you.  The ES Koon Lace page is one that still needs to be worked on.
I am collecting the necessary files.  So I will announce when it is up.
Thanks for revisiting the IOLI website!

Mark, aka Tatman
IOLI webmaster


On 11/11/08 8:47 PM, Elizabeth Ligeti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Welcome back!!
  I just went there to see if it has changed, and it looks the same.  Well done
 Webmaster/s  and thank you.
 
 However, I went to the Eunice Sein Koon Lace but only got a mostly blank
 space. there was a tiny box with a red X, but it did not do anything.   Pity,
 I was hoping to see some photos of lace!! :))
 
 Regards from Liz in Melbourne, Oz
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[lace] Re: IOLI web back

[Mark, aka Tatman]

On 11/11/08 1:57 PM, Jo Falkink [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 But www.tat-man.net not yet?

Unfortunately not yet. :(  I still own tat-man.net.  Just need to get a
server to put it on.  Still looking at my options.  I will let the entire
online lace communities know when my website is back up, you can be sure of
that! ;)

-- 
Mark, aka Tatman
Temporary website: http://my.att.net/p/PWP-tatmanlace
Temporary blog: http://tatmantats.wordpress.com/
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[lace] Re: IOLI Membership Renewals

[Tamara P Duvall]

Still catching up, after a week in the kitchen...

On Oct 3, 2007, at 4:16, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I may be wrong but I had a feeling that some while ago IOLI 'asked
permission' and did anyone mind if they put the reminders onto Arachne,


You aren't wrong :)

Like you, I don't see what the big deal is about having a 
moderate-length subscription renewal reminder *once every 3 months*. 
I'm not sure how effective it might be, since I have no idea how much 
crossover there is between Arachne and IOLI but I don't see much harm 
in it. Or in any other group, doing the same thing -- quarterly or oce 
a year -- if it seems worth their time and effort.


Personally, I don't see much difference between Laurie's (quarterly) 
reminder about IOLI subscription and the various groups' (irregular) 
announcements and reports about lace days and workshops, or the Lace 
Guild's (quarterly) announcements about their website update.  Every 
one of those announcements serves one and the same purpose -- keeping 
lacemaking alive and healthy; something we all want. I must admit to 
reading -- and vicariously enjoying -- all of those announcements and 
reports even when the events are taking place across the world from me 
and there's no chance of my participating in them.


This said, I also like Bev's idea of sticking a permanent reminder 
(check your coming IOLI Bulletin for subscription expiration date!) 
into someone's signature. But what I'd like even better is having 
regular, quarterly, updates of the IOLI *website* performed and 
announced on Arachne. Each with a reminder to subscribe or re-subscribe 
:)


--
Tamara P Duvallhttp://t-n-lace.net/
Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland)

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[lace] Re: IOLI Membership

[Tamara P Duvall]

On Oct 3, 2007, at 23:30, Sue Fink wrote:


I realise that IOLI is a big organisation, but in my view
that doesn't mean it has a prior right to conduct its business on 
Arachne,

which is made up of individuals from all over the world.


It doesn't have a *right*; that's why Laurie asked for *permission*.

Sorry, I just don't see Arachne as the place for any of the lace 
groups/guilds/societies

to conduction their business!!


What about a group -- or even an individual -- telling us that 
they/she's won a prize at a lace competition? Do you find it equally 
objectionable as the suitable subject matter for Arachne? Notices of 
upcoming lace days and workshops? Reports of same? Lace-related trips? 
Updates of websites? Someone spotting a new lace-related website or an 
item on E-Bay? Someone liking an article/pattern in a lace pulication? 
Someone reporting a good new lace book?


Are there *any* community notices you'd feel comfortable with? Or would 
you rather have us stick to the CTC business at all times, answering 
*only* the technical-help needs?



This is Sue's last word on the matter as she is off for a lace weekend
tomorrow and so looking forward to it!!


Hope you have a great time. I'd suggest you post a report on it when 
you come back, but it might clutter someone's inbox with irrelevant, 
non-tech, stuff. So, better not.


--
Tamara P Duvallhttp://t-n-lace.net/
Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland)

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Fwd: [lace] Re: IOLI Membership Message/e-mail list

[bevw]

Hi Janice and everyone

A e-forum within IOLI is one way that would encourage discussion among
members outside the AGM. I'm thinking (respectfully) that the public arachne
e-mail list  isn't the place for an organization's own business, y'know? I
think announcements about joining and special events that any lacemaker
might be interested in is appropriate though.


On 7/27/07, Janice Blair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Bev suggested that the discussion should take place on an IOLI
 forum.  Isn't that what the AGM is for at the convention.  This matter could
 be discussed by the Board on Sunday at their pre-meeting and brought up
 under Any Other Matters at the AGM.  No doubt it will need a change in the
 byelaws to get it done and that


-- 
Bev in Sooke BC (on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada)

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[lace] Re: IOLI Bulletin

[Tamara P Duvall]

On Jul 6, 2007, at 21:32, Beth Mccasland wrote:


Mine came in today's mail,


Mine's still somewhere in the outer space (possibly rerouted through 
Scotland g). OTOH, my OIDFA Bulletin came a long time ago (maybe 
Monday?); I just finished reading it today. So, I suppose, I shouldn't 
be complaining. The only reason I'm impatient to get the IOLI Bulletin 
is that I have an article and a pattern in it and, as usual, am anxious 
to see what possible oopsies I may have comitted, while my brain 
short-circuited (happens so often, I hardly notice it anymore g). I'm 
especially on pins and needles this time, because Jacquie (laceandbits) 
wrote:

Your bit on the plaited laces is very interesting, you should read it!
Given that most Brits have a warped sense of humour (why I love them!), 
that sounds rather ominous :)



I have to ask, was the worked corner in the book?


Nope. That's my contribution/distortion; the original woodcut (Le 
Pompe, book II) is as straight as an arrow -- an insertion (or, more 
likely, lace which would have been applied on top of the fabric). You 
can see it on the Professor's site, ie at Arizona U:

http://www.cs.arizona.edu/patterns/weaving/books.html
Somewhere. Can't find it at the moment... But it's p.12


That may answer the question of - Did they do worked corners in BL?


Not in this case, no.

But, I've been looking at a lot of pictures (photos of paintings, 
greatly enlarged) and my belief that corners were absent in lace till 
mid-late 19thc (common wisdom) is beginning to shake in its 
underpinnings a bit. Some of those -- deeply-scalloped -- edgings, on 
those large 17thc flat collars, look suspect. They don't look as if a 
straight piece was was mitered through the scallop, making a new 
scallop out of two halves (or whatever). They look more as if an 
entirely new scallop had been fitted into a gap between the two 
straight, right-angled, pieces.


Reason I think that, is that those corner scallops are slightly 
different in design from all other scallops. Yet, they're *consistent* 
with the rest of the design as well as being perfect as to where the 
joins would have been. And they don't look as if they'd been pieced, 
either, though it's hard to be certain. IOW, it's the same thing I do, 
when I try to design a corner: carry on with the (straight) lace 
pattern for as long as possible, and then improvise a bit to fill in 
whatever gap there is, while trying to stay true to the pattern as much 
as possible.


To me, the question now is not so much *did* they make corners?, but 
more *how* did they make corners? Did they make them on the go, 
same as we do -- ie adding/removing just a few corner pairs? Or did 
they make two straight pieces, position them at right angles, then 
add/remove *all the pairs* needed to fill in the triangular gap and 
make the corner-scallop?


I'd need more than looking at paintings to answer that one; I'd need to 
look at the actual *collars* and under a microscope, too (or photos of 
the wrong side of the lace, taken under a microscope. The hugely 
enlarged photos of various laces that Devon'd sent me to chew on were 
*priceless* in decoding the woodcut)...



Beth McCasland
in the suburbs of New Orleans, Louisiana, USA
where it's hot and muggy with afternoon thundershower


Hot an muggy here too, though no rain for the past few days. As someone 
on my lefty blogs said: you go outside, and you sweat like a 
Republican testifying on oath in Congress

--
Tamara P Duvallhttp://t-n-lace.net/
Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland)

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[lace] RE: IOLI contest entries pics

[Helen Bell]

I don't think it's a case of whipping up the anticipation of readership
to a fever pitch.  I think prohibiting pics of the entries is perhaps a
case of Copyright.  

Entrants also give sole permission to IOLI to publish the contest
entries.

Debra Jenny's probably the best one to answer this question.

By the by, that one ribbon is lovely.  Sigh... wish I'd gotten my Plan A
piece done in time.

Cheers,
Helen, in Denver, where it's boiling hot again.  Bring on the cool
change!

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[lace] RE: IOLI table ribbons

[Helen Bell]

I put my money where my mouth is, and my table ribbon is there too.
Having seen my mother's efforts (and I know which one I would be voting
for if I were attending Montreal), I know I need the luck of the Lace
Gods to beat her (please excuse the Mother daughter rivalry here).

Hope the Convention Hostesses have a successful convention, and
Convention goers have a wonderful time.  Wish I could be there.
Sigh

Cheers,
Helen, Aussie in Denver

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RE: [lace] Re: IOLI?Montreal Book Translation

[Jay Ekers]

As Tamara P Duvall, said Monday, 12 June 2006 10:56 AM

The Nobecourt/Potin book, OTOH... I think it might be, essentially, the

same one which came out in 1990 as Bayeux Lace; Yesterday's Lace For 
today 

In my copy of this 1990 book (English translation by Kate Riley and
Geneviève Minet), there is on page 42 a photo of a handkerchief and the
original prickings. They will be published in a separate edition.

Does any one know if they have been published, or if the recent 'La
Dentelle de Bayeux' by Potin and Nobecourt (in French) includes these
prickings?

Jay in Sydney
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Re: [lace] Re: IOLI /Montreal

[romdom]

le 11/06/06 6:55, Tamara P Duvall à [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit :

 I do know that all it means is true silk, or
 something like that. It also seems to be a name of the producer -- I
 have some other thicknesses etc made by them. The logo is a leaf with a
 silk worm. Quite disgusting g).
 

er .. ver à soie does mean silkworm  so au ver a soie should translate
something like silkworm's  ... which explains the logo . their thread is
expensive and my friends usually buy  silk at Piper's .

dominique from Paris , France where heat has taken over .. and i hate every
minute of it . i 'll have to spend the summer in my fridge   lol .. 

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Re: [lace] Re: IOLI /Montreal

[sof]

romdom a écrit :

er .. ver à soie does mean silkworm  so au ver a soie should translate
something like silkworm's  ... which explains the logo . their thread is
expensive and my friends usually buy  silk at Piper's .

dominique from Paris , France where heat has taken over .. and i hate every
minute of it . i 'll have to spend the summer in my fridge   lol .. 



  

Hello,
Silk from au ver a soie is expensive but very good to work. I use 
sometime it.


Sof from France who make lace in the garden with the sun.

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Re: [lace] Re: IOLI /Montreal

[Steph Peters]

On Sun, 11 Jun 2006 00:55:46 -0400, Tamara wrote:
And I've been told that, in US, Kreinik is the distributor. The last I 
checked, Kreinik was quite snotty about selling piddling amounts to 
individuals -- they prefer to deal with wholesalers -- so that's not an 
option for me. 
If memory serves correctly Kreinik were distributors for Au Vers a Soie, but
are no longer, since Kreinik now do their own lines of silk threads.
--
Money can't buy everything. That's what credit cards are for.
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[lace] Re: IOLI/Montreal

[Tamara P Duvall]

On Jun 11, 2006, at 15:25, Janice Blair wrote:

There are 3 prickings enclosed marked level 1, level 2 and level 3, 
depending on your expertise.  None are named on the sheets but in the 
written instructions is says if you work Fuschia or Arum you need 
picot pins size 0,85mm-1mm. I looked on the vanSciver website and did 
not see this size listed, any idea where I might find them?


A couple of years ago, I got a box of pins, called La Couronne d'Or; 
Epingles en laiton from Susan Wenzel:

http://www.lacysusan.com/
She may still carry them. If not, I'll lend you mine; just remind me 
closer to the time I need to pack for the trip.


I use the pins sparingly -- mostly to anchor the pricking to the pillow 
-- but sometimes they get mixed in with my middle-sized ones (used for 
wire work and thick threads). Cathy Belleville once grabbed one by 
mistake and said she never knew people made lace with nails g They're 
very thick; probably close to the 1mm diameter Ulrike requires.


The other pins are Insect pins and fine pins 0,5mm-0,55mm.  Do you 
think my brass buckspoint pins will be okay?


I don't think so; not with Ulrike :) She doesn't like for people to 
second-guess her, once she's gone to the trouble of figuring things out 
just so. Either get them from Cleoptera, as someone else has 
suggested, or see if Holly carries them. She used to, only she called 
them Mechlin pins.


I think level 3 is Fuschia but I do not see any obvious places for 
picots.


No picots, but it does have honecombs a-plenty. And that's where Ulrike 
uses the fatties.


I also wonder whether the other pricking, level 2, is Arum, it looks 
like a paisley shape with petals.


Nicole says no, but I wonder. The Arum lily in the book, does look, 
sort-of, like a paisley, bisected by a hot-dog on a leash, and growing 
out of a couple of tulip-like petals. And, on the scale of difficulty, 
it does come before the Fuchsia.


The level 1 pricking is an edging with a four petal flower which does 
have picots.


I bet that's the Myosotis, which, in the book, is listed as the second 
easiest (the first is Colchium)


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[lace] Re: IOLI?Montreal Book Translation

[Tamara P Duvall]

On Jun 11, 2006, at 17:39, Delores Miller wrote:

Has anyone translated La Dentelle de Bayeux by Potin and Nobecourt or 
La
Dentelle de Bayeux by Fouriscot  Salvador into English?  Bablefish 
and my

French dictionary aren't doing a good job.


VBG When it comes to translating lace terms, even native speakers, if 
they're not lacemakers themselves, can make us hate those Babylonians 
and their d...d tower :)


As far as I know, neither of the two books has been translated into 
English. I think all of the Fouriscot's books (irrespective of 
technique) are French only (but the diagrams are _excellent_, and make 
the language barrier that much less).


The Nobecourt/Potin book, OTOH... I think it might be, essentially, the 
same one which came out in 1990 as Bayeux Lace; Yesterday's Lace For 
today (sorry, that's how it is capitalized; not my fault). It has been 
translated by Kate Riley of the English Lace Guild and OIDFA, so the 
English -- lacemaking and otherwise -- is very good. The IOLI library 
has it -- B 281 -- so you might want to borrow it for study. Not that 
there's allthat much in either of the books to study vis-avis 
_grounds_; the tricks of Bayeux lie in other areas (mostly the motifs), 
and those you'll be learning in class.

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[lace] Re: IOLI /Montreal

[Tamara P Duvall]

On Jun 11, 2006, at 8:05, Jean Leader wrote:

Cluny de Brioude was my first choice for Montreal too and that's what 
I got


That's _super_ news; I'm getting really hyper, hearing that so many 
Arachneans will be in that class (but I promise to behave once there; 
honest Injun g)!


I've also been  wondering where to get the silk so if anyone finds a 
good source please let me know.


While Jacquie (Laceandbits) still hasn't heard whether she's got that 
class (I'm keeping all my toes crossed for the intention), if she gets 
it, she'll be another Brit looking for the thread and having to get it 
from France directly. So you could pool resources, maybe.


And Margot Walker wrote:


[...] I must say that I think the pendant is very ugly,


I wasn't gonna say that in public g And, anyway, I don't think it's 
very ugly. Just undistinguished :) If loaded with beads (to keep 
those plaits leading to the final ring straight), it might make a 
nice Christmas ornament.


I decided that it didn't matter that I didn't like the design - I just 
wanted to learn the techniques.


I signed up not knowing what the project was like, for the same 
reasons; I want to learn (and I like working with colour). But now I 
have the added excitement of looking forward to connecting with new, 
and re-connecting with old, friends and acquanitances, in class and 
out...


I was so afraid that Montreal would not be well attended once I heard 
that the major US suppliers were not going; I'm glad to hear that's not 
so (corroborative evidence: I've heard of at least one person who 
_didn't_ get her first choice, suggesting that the classes which had 
survived are well-subscribed).


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[lace] Re: IOLI /Montreal

[Tamara P Duvall]

On Jun 10, 2006, at 23:29, Beth Mccasland wrote:


Tamara,
Looks like we'll be in class together!


Yipeee! Margot (Walker), you, me... We're waiting for Jacquie Tinch (in 
UK) to hear about her assignment but, with luck, it'll be at least 4 
Arachneans! With a normal class size being 12 students, that's a 
third of the population! It's a good thing the teacher's young (at 
least, she _looks_ young in the photo) and sturdy, 'cause we're gonna 
have a Spider Riot in that workshop :)


I've managed to figure out that Alger's silk is a french brand of silk 
embroidery floss.


Yeah, both (Alger and Ovale) are, I think, made by the same firm: Au 
ver a soie (yeah, I do know that all it means is true silk, or 
something like that. It also seems to be a name of the producer -- I 
have some other thicknesses etc made by them. The logo is a leaf with a 
silk worm. Quite disgusting g).



As to availability in this country, I have feelers out for it.


Apparently, the basic thread (Alger) is available in the US via the 
Nordic Needle:

http://www.nordicneedle.com/
I haven't checked my hard-copy catalogue (preferable to all things 
web) to see if they carry Ovale also.


And I've been told that, in US, Kreinik is the distributor. The last I 
checked, Kreinik was quite snotty about selling piddling amounts to 
individuals -- they prefer to deal with wholesalers -- so that's not an 
option for me. But, if you have any needle stores up-and-running in the 
New Orleans area (how *is* the area recovery doing, BTW? the papers 
aren't worth much when not covering politics), you might actually be 
able to buy the stuff *directly*, sight seen



As to your other questions, I had the same ones, but since I'm
pretty much a self-taught lacer, I was too embarrassed to ask.


Ah, bah (almost the extent of my French, BTW g); you don't ask, you 
remain in the dark. I'm self-taught too, and full of knowledge holes 
but, luckily, I not only know that, I also have a rhinoceros-thick skin 
:)



I figured once I had the skeins of floss in
hand, split the thread out to singles, I'd take a stab as to how much 
to

wind on the bobbins.


Looks to me as if the basic thread (Algers) is what does the plaits 
and picots; 2-3 times the length of the project should, probably, be 
enough. I'll probably wind 10 per bobbin, just to be on the safest 
side (belt and suspenders principle). And, if I run out, I'll practice 
my patch up techniques :) The Ovale -- which I assume will act as the 
workers for the tallies -- we're to wind in class, so we'll be told how 
much to wind (and whether it's gonna be plied/doubled before winding).


I know nothing of the teacher, but am wondering if she doesn't realize 
that
materials that are easy for her to get in France, doesn't mean the 
same for

us.


If that's what works best for that lace, that's what we need to use, I 
think, no matter how easy/hard it might be to get. The Polychrome 
Blonde courses taught (in this country) by Pompi Parry and Ulrike 
Voelcker (nee Löhr) require Pipers silk, sold in England only (Holly 
Van Sciver carries a bit of the line, but mostly in kit format -- the 
sizes and colours chosen by the teacher), and nobody complains (or not 
much g), even though it takes *weeks* to get here.



  Second thought, my french lessons will be put to the test.


I'll count on you (and everyone else) to help me out :)

My second year at the U, my French teacher said on the third day: 
iiifff yourrr thing yourrr hoible gerrrMAN acCENT will help you 
make a carrreer in Frrrench, yourrr MIStaken. Yourr neVERRR learrrn 
Frrrench as it should be. The course was compulsory, not my choice, 
and I felt that _both of us_ were equally aggrieved by the situation. 
So, after that class, we came to a private agreement (I'm always 
willing to come to a bi-partisan solution if the opposite side shows 
any sign of reason g): I wouldn't show up for any more classes (and 
get his dander up) and he, on his part, would overlook my loong cheat 
sheet, when I showed up for the final exam...


Thus, my French is limited to a few recently-acquired lace-related 
words (in the written format; no idea how they're pronounced) and a few 
(learnt in my mis-spent teens) everyday ones. An Arachne friend in 
Paris assures me that one of the everyday ones -- merde -- ought to 
cover most situations I'm likely to encounter. Provided, of course, 
that I pronounce it coectly :)


Yours, getting veRRRI excited about the Montreal adventure and 
practicing my heaviest Southern American (the better to pull your leg, 
m'dear) accent...


in cloudy and muggy (but still no rain) Virginia,

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[lace] Re: IOLI Montreal

[Tamara P Duvall]

On Jun 8, 2006, at 13:31, Margot Walker wrote:

I just got my confirmation for the IOLI Convention in Montreal and I'm 
really happy.  I got my first choice course (Cluny de Brioude) and 
tour (Quebec City).  Has anyone else heard yet?


At first, I thought mail to US would take a bit longer, but since Patsy 
(in California) got her confirmation today also, I'm hoping mine will 
come tomorrow or Saturday... I signed up for Cluny also, but as my only 
choice. So, I'll either see you -- daily -- in Montreal... or not :)

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[lace] Re: IOLI Bulletin - question

[Tamara P Duvall]

On Jan 12, 2006, at 11:57, Joy Beeson wrote:

The often wrongly called is your clue:  certain embroiders want to 
use blanket stitch for all forms of buttonhole, in order to reserve 
buttonhole for what we've always called tailor's buttonhole  
(buttonhole stitch with an extra twist,


Buttonhole with an extra twist? Does it mean you go into the loop 
(the part of the thread that's parallel to the edge) twice? I've never 
heard of it, but it sounds interesting also as a visual effect...


It's more plausible to refer to blanket stitch as Spaced Buttonhole 
than to call buttonhole a closely-worked blanket stitch.


VBG First, thanks to everyone who wrote -- on list and privately -- 
to offer explanations. One correspondent (thanks, Jane) referred me to 
a book which I hapened to have: Reader's Digest Complete Guide to 
Needlework. And there, on p 25, there's a section on blanket 
stitches. First, the construction of a basic blanket stitch is 
illustrated. Then (next page), we have buttonhole stitch:


Basic buttonhole stitch is worked like basic blanket stitch, except 
that the stitches are placed very close together to form a firm edge.


So, it appears I was right: the stitch shown in the Bulletin's pattern, 
being spaced _very_ closely together is not wrongly called 
buttonhole; it _is_ buttonhole...


Just for the heck of it, I checked my English/Polish dictionary. Both 
blanket st and buttonhole st translate as scieg dziergany. 
Apparently, Poles are disinclined to split hairs over terminology, 
which might account for my never hearing of the distinction until I 
came to this country, even though I had practiced both... :)


Although I've never done any NL (nor intend to), buttonhole st is of 
great interest to me in BL. It can be handy for a firm (and relatively 
unobtrusive) way of getting rid of pairs. But, even more, it's a lovely 
way to make those fat central rings in Rosalibre...



Joy Beeson
west of Fort Wayne, Indiana, U.S.A.
where it's sunny and the high is FIFTY-THREE F!
(It's *supposed* to be bitter cold in January.)


After yesterday's dismals (it rained almost all day), today was 
gloriously sunny, with the temps reaching past 60 (Farenheit)


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Re: [lace] Re: IOLI Bulletin

[lucieduf]

 By which time, the Canadian elections -- which seem to be riding,
 mostly, on anti-US sentiments -- will be  long over, and we might know
 how easy/difficult it will be for us to enter the country (will the new
 government give us tit for tat?)...


Tamara,
As a Canadian and one living in the country's federal capital (where most
of the hot air is being generated), I can assure you that the borders will
not be closed not will Americans be other wise targeted in any other way.
Our border guards don't wear sidearms (though they wish they could, but
not because of Americans or Al-Qaida, but because some of our Native
people can get uppity, grin). That's a good 500 miles away from Montreal
(this time) and not likely to affect any of you.

As for the horrendous rates, you're right. They're awful but actually
quite reasonable for downtown Montreal in the middle of festival season.
The organisers got a good discount. But then, we Canadians are used to
paying higher prices for things like hotel rooms... Why not share with
someone? That's what some of us from Ottawa are doing.

Don't take what seems like anti-american spouting too seriously. Its
de-rigueur for a federal election. We pay it little mind, except when its
not there, grin. And there are other issues, like soft wood lumber, but
that's not likely to make it onto american news.

Lucie DuFresne
Ottawa, Canada

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[lace] Re: IOLI Bulletin

[Tamara P Duvall]

On Jan 10, 2006, at 20:23, Elizabeth Ligeti wrote:


Well, the Bulletin has reached Oz today!!
Just had a very quick glance through it, and see a piece of my Radical 
Reticella is shown inside the front cover.  Unfortunately, the caption 
mentions that it is an adaptation of a Carol Williamson design from 
Lace - but this is wrong.  The neckband I made is the adaptation, Not 
this piece!
This piece, the Aquilegia -or Blue Columbine was made especially for a 
challenge from my Colorado lace Friends. The Blue Columbine being the 
State Flower.


5 sided Reticella came straight out of my own head!!! (for better or 
worse!)


Definitely for better; it's a lovely piece. I've forwarded your message 
to Debra (the Editor) who may or may not have enough time to read all 
of the Arachne postings. Hopefully, there'll be a correction in the 
next Bulletin and, perhaps, one on the IOLI website, earlier.

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[lace] Re: IOLI Bulletin

[Tamara P Duvall]

On Jan 9, 2006, at 16:26, Patricia Ann Fisher wrote:

Has anyone else gotten their IOLI Bulletin yet? Just got mine today. 
Studying
the convention info, wishing I could find some way to justify going to 
it!


Mine came today also; haven't yet had much time to look at it, as I've 
been trying to catch up with the 2-day backlog created by some glitch 
at my provider's (I think that's what it was; it came un-announced, and 
it went away without my doing anything, like 24hr flu g). There are 
some _super_ 24 hr classes on offer (the only ones I'm willing to 
contemplate, since I'll have to fly with the equipment) to use as an 
excuse, if you're looking for one (as I am)... :)


I chickened out of the math for the time being (I'll think about it 
tomorrow, like Scarlett g), once I saw the numbers for the 
registration and for the hotel room (15.2% in tax? On top of U$150? 
Ouch g)


At least one doesn't have to send in the application till March 1... :) 
By which time, the Canadian elections -- which seem to be riding, 
mostly, on anti-US sentiments -- will be  long over, and we might know 
how easy/difficult it will be for us to enter the country (will the new 
government give us tit for tat?)...


Yours, in unseasonably balmy (62F in daytime) Lexington, VA, enjoying 
the (relative) silence of the heater; every penny not spent on keeping 
warm through the winter might get applied to the Montreal trip :)

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[lace] Re: ioli contest/stencils

[Tamara P Duvall]

On Nov 11, 2005, at 11:37, suzy wrote:


would anyone know if it is legal to get some of your ideas from
stencils?


As Bev has said, it is certainly legal to get your inspiration from 
various sources (including stencils), especially if you're going to use 
only a part of one.


If you're asking - as I suspect, judging by the subject line - whether 
a stencil-inspired piece of lace can be labeled original design then, 
again, I think the answer is yes.


A stencil, or a postcard, or a drawing in a book... They're just lines, 
with no relationship to lace. Translating them into lace stitches is 
what makes the design your own (though I know Susan Lambiris doesn't 
agree with me; for her, if it doesn't start with a blank sheet of 
paper, it's not her own)


I can't draw well, so I'm always looking for sources where someone with 
a surer hand had already done at least some spade-work for me. With 
This Ring started with a picture of a brooch; Birth Announcement 
started with a photo of a stork, as did the Large Butterfly. Etc, 
etc... I never throw away a gift catalogue without checking for images 
and ideas first, have a nice supply of cheap-o stencils and rubber 
stamps and had Robin (Panza) photograph the carpet for me when we were 
in Harrisburg for the Liers workshop and I'd left my camera at home. If 
a lace pattern ever emerges from that, I'll certainly consider it my 
own, though it'll be thanks to her - never did an un-artistic klutz 
have a better friend (you should have seen her, nose to the ground and 
ignoring all the  strange looks she received from passers-by g)


So go for it; Debra and the organizers of the Montreal Convention are 
hoping for a lot of entries.

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Re: [lace] Re: ioli contest/stencils

[suzy]

i found some really nice ideas i can alter very easily without
offending anyone.  it definitely has never been a lace pattern in any
way that i know of, and its made from a few differnt sources, so it
should be some where near all original design.  i'll make sure i keep
a note with the lace citing where i got any design i use, but these
designs are so common i don't think they would be considered something
that would violate any patent laws.  it is still wrong to duplicate
anyones work, so i wouldn't do that.

as far as being a clutz with the pencil and paper, i can draw, but i'm
the least creative person i know. i can only draw what i see, not
something out of my head.  i'm giving myself until january to finish a
pattern before i start to worry.  i'm sure by then i'll have it on
paper, and so long as i don't decide to change everything in the
middle, i'll be fine. 

 

--- Tamara P Duvall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 If you're asking - as I suspect, judging by the subject line -
 whether a stencil-inspired piece of lace can be labeled original
design then, again, I think the answer is yes.
 
 A stencil, or a postcard, or a drawing in a book... They're just
 lines, with no relationship to lace. Translating them into lace
stitches is what makes the design your own (though I know Susan
Lambiris doesn't agree with me; for her, if it doesn't start with a
blank sheet of paper, it's not her own)
 -- 
 Tamara P Duvallhttp://t-n-lace.net/
 Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland)


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RE: [lace] Re: IOLI contest entries

[Laurie J. Hughes]

Since I'm not high enough on the totem pole, I can't *swear* they don't 
*any* reimbursment; they may get *some*, and I just wouldn't know. 

IOLI Officers aren't paid for their time, that's why they call us
volunteers.  *big grin*  

Seriously, the money simply isn't there to pay us.  Close to 80% of the
money from dues goes directly to pay for the production and mailing of the
Bulletin and Handbook. A good portion of the rest goes to mailing expenses
and software for Membership. (Which is why, Tamara, you got your renewal
email, and since you dutifully sent in your form, I didn't send you a
snail-mail follow-up like I do to people with email addresses who I don't
hear from by close to the deadline.)

I guess you just have to be dedicated to advancing the cause of lace making.

Lace in Peace, 
Laurie, who is, incidentally, the Membership Chair of IOLI

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Re: [lace] Re: IOLI contest entries

[Laceandbits]

In a message dated 23/09/2005 11:03:57 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

 IOLI Officers aren't paid for their time, that's why they call us 
 volunteers.  *big grin*  

I think I am right in saying that the officers for the UK lace societies 
aren't paid for their *time*, that's the bit they volunteer to give.  However, 
there is no reason why they should be out of pocket for legitimate expenses.  
For 
instance, I can decide if I can afford to go to AGMs or not and decide how 
important it is to me.  For a committee there is not that option.  

If all their expenses were to come out of their own pocket I am not surprised 
that at times it is hard to get new volunteers.  This would surely also mean 
that there must be occasions where someone's financial situation changes 
during their term of office - does this mean they be in the situation where 
they 
feel they have to resign from the committee, even if they still have the time 
to 
offer?

I take on board the comments about the distances involved but still feel that 
any event that it is essential for an officer to attend, their expenses 
should be paid.  This might mean that the IOLI consider fewer events are 
essential 
than the Lace Guild do, for example, but I still don't think that the people 
keeping IOLI running for my benefit should be out of pocket - even if this 
means my subscription goes up.

Jacquie in England

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Re: [lace] Re: IOLI contest entries

[Malvary J Cole]

Jacquie wrote:   I still don't think that the people keeping IOLI running 
for my benefit should be out of pocket - even if this means my subscription 
goes up.


Of course, Jacquie can say that - I pay her IOLI subscription VVBG

(To be honest she pays my Lace Guild AND Lace Circle subscriptions and I pay 
her Cdn Gazette - makes life easier for paying).


Malvary in Ottawa.  Off to play our last lawn bowls game for this year.

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RE: [lace] Re: IOLI contest entries

[Elizabeth Pass]

Hello everyone,
How different things are here in UK!  

Tamara P Duvall wrote, 

England *alone* is able to sustain 2 nation-wide organisations (Lace Guild
and Lacemakers Circle). 

Actually, there are three.  The Lace Society predates the Lace Guild, and
many lacemakers belong to all three.

We are so lucky to have many, many lacemakers here in UK, but this has taken
35 years or more for the numbers to build up.  In the past we had lots of
encouragement and support from local authorities many of which supported and
provided  and subsidised hobby classes.  That no longer being  the case,
classes are becoming more difficult for the man or woman in the street to
find out about.


You're more likely to pack your car full of gas-sharing friends 

This may or may not happen.  For committee meetings and conventions, the
organisers and committee members come from all across the country and so the
possibility of car sharing doesn't always arise.  Last week, petrol prices
here were nearly £2 PER LITRE.   At 4.56 litres to the gallon, the cost
today works out to be £9.12 for a gallon.  Today's rate of exchange is
$1.81USD. I'll let you work out the maths for that one! Yes, we would love
to car share whenever possible, especially as government regulations no
longer permit giving the driver a proportion of the cost.


IOLI collects demonstration hours - to maintain its charity status - 

As far as I know, this concession doesn't apply to bona fide organisations
with charity status, such as the Lace Guild.

Best wishes to everyone.  I'll let you know how much lace I accomplished
during the summer when I get a few more free moments.

Liz Pass
(in Poole, Dorset)

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[lace] Re: IOLI contest entries

[Tamara P Duvall]

On Sep 21, 2005, at 10:37, Elizabeth Pass wrote:

We are so lucky to have many, many lacemakers here in UK, but this has 
taken

35 years or more for the numbers to build up.


IOLI celebrated its 50th birthday a couple of years ago (in Hasbrouck 
Heights, NY); Montreal's Convention will be 53rd. So, longevity is no 
guarantee of fruitfulness :)


In the past we had lots of encouragement and support from local 
authorities


I don't think we ever did. I think, in general, the atittude is along 
the lines of the famous (Kennedy?) statement: Ask not what the country 
can do for you, but what you can do for the country. So we all 
scramble the best we can, and knock on wood daily, when we get not only 
dependable but efficient people as our officers and other working 
ants.



£2 PER LITRE.   At 4.56 litres to the gallon,


Not the gallon as I know it, which is just a tad under 4 litres (3.76 
l, to be precise) :) Nevertheless, you're paying *per litre*, what I'm 
paying per gallon (ie almost 4 times as much), and I was paying about 
2/3rds of what I'm paying now 3 short weeks ago. A lot, of course, 
depends on locality; gas (petrol, not the heating and cooking stuff) in 
our area is relatively cheap and has always been compared to, say, San 
Francisco area.



IOLI collects demonstration hours - to maintain its charity status -


As far as I know, this concession doesn't apply to bona fide 
organisations

with charity status, such as the Lace Guild.


A charity gets a tax exemption on some basis; in IOLI's case, and in 
the case of all individual lace groups also registered as charities or 
chartered to IOLI, it's education. I suspect the Lace Guild gets its 
exemption on similiar grounds. Demonstrations (lacemaking ones, not 
political g) fit into that category, as do exhibitions. The Lace 
Guild, which actually owns a building (probably also tax-exempt; it 
would be in US) can stage exhibitions. We don't have central 
headquarters - even maintaining a central Post Office Box is a problem 
- so we can't fullfill that obligation to the public in general in the 
same way (except, perhaps, opening the display room during the 
Convention to the public). So, basically, demonstrating lacemaking at 
different venues is our best bet.


Individual groups *do* organise/ cooperate in organising exhibitions in 
existing museums (Chicago a couple of years ago, more recently 
Baltmore) but I really do not know how much of that counts towards 
keeping *IOLI* afloat; mostly, we're happy just to bring lace and 
lacemaking into general attention. I think The Lace Museum (which rents 
its buliding) and its Lace Guild gets some tax break on the basis of 
its - often changing - exhibitions, even though it's located a bit off 
the beaten tourist track.


But there's a distinct difference between getting a tax break and 
getting active support, and I don't think we've ever got the second... 
Nobody lives in Paradise, this side of the grave :)


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Re: [lace] Re: IOLI contest entries

[Carol Adkinson]

Hi All,

Again sorry for the delay in replying, but after five weeks away, no doubt
you can all tot up how many messages I am enjoying reading ...

But - the expenses!I am surprised that the 'officials' of the IOLI - and
any other guild/organisation/group of whatever persuasion for that matter -
don't get their expenses for attending the convention/meeting/whatever
reimbursed, as the Convention wouldn't take place without their being there!
When I was Chairman - and before that, on the Committee of the Circle, and
local guilds too! - of the Lacemakers' Circle, our legitimate expenses were
repaid.   If said Committee member doesn't want to accept the reimbursement,
then he/she always has the option of donating the sumn back to the
organisation, but it would reflect badly on the organisation, I think, if
people with great potential to help and work for the guild, group or
oprganisation was deterred because they just couldn't afford the expenses
incurred.

I know - also from experience! - that raising funds is always difficult, but
most of the groups I have been involved with - not just lace - work very
hard with all sorts of activities, to be able to help any and all Committee
members to do the work properly, and if that means re-imbursing the
expenses, then so be it!

Carol - in Suffolk UK - and also *not* - yet! - a member of IOLI!

From: Tamara P Duvall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
.
 Are you willing to pay an extra night at the hotel to arrive in
 time for that?


 Even as things are, Debra (and other Board Members/Officers) are
 already shelling out past reason; they're required to be there, but
 they don't get reimbursed for any expenses. How many of you would be
 willing to - or even could afford to - do this? I don't think asking
 them to show up 24-48 hrs ahead of time is reasonable, unless we're
 willing to finance that extension, and I can't see how that could be
 done fairly (divide the cost by the  Convetion attendees? Divide the
 costs by all IOLI members? I can see cons in either case)...


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[lace] Re: IOLI contest entries

[Tamara P Duvall]

On Sep 20, 2005, at 6:44, Carol Adkinson wrote:

But - the expenses!I am surprised that the 'officials' of the IOLI 
- and
any other guild/organisation/group of whatever persuasion for that 
matter -

don't get their expenses for attending the convention/meeting/whatever
reimbursed, as the Convention wouldn't take place without their being 
there!


Since I'm not high enough on the totem pole, I can't *swear* they don't 
*any* reimbursment; they may get *some*, and I just wouldn't know. What 
I do know is what comes out sideways in private conversations  (e- 
and direct). Things like: if you teach at a Convention you expect to 
get 'hosed'  ('hosed' - American equivalent of 'soaked'). Things like: 
I had to get a whole new set of software (spell? looks peculiar) to do 
this, which required getting new hardware as well. Things like: it's 
a hard decision to make; can't afford to bring DH with me, but we get 
little enough time together as is, so I hate to miss the time Etc...


When I was Chairman - and before that, on the Committee of the Circle, 
and
local guilds too! - of the Lacemakers' Circle, our legitimate expenses 
were

repaid.


Yes, well... I doubt many of you (in UK) have to *fly* 4-8hrs ( 
allowing for transfers and add 2hrs for security check-in) to get to 
your meeting place in a depressed economy. You're more likely to pack 
your car full of gas-sharing friends and go, which is what as many of 
us (as can) do also.


Europe is *small*; when my son went a-chasing his circus girlfriend on 
her tour, he was domiciled in Amsterdam and *biked* one weekend to see 
her perform in Utrecht (did come back on a train like a civilised 
person, though g); there's no comparison of distance and therefore of 
the size of reimbursments that would be necessary. I dare say Canadians 
and Ozzies are more in tune with that concept :)


I know - also from experience! - that raising funds is always 
difficult, but
most of the groups I have been involved with - not just lace - work 
very
hard with all sorts of activities, to be able to help any and all 
Committee

members to do the work properly,


*Two* things that are different here.

1) the density of lacemakers. US is (more or less) as big as Europe 
(area-wise), but England *alone* is able to sustain 2 nation-wide 
organisations (Lace Guild and Lacemakers Circle). For us, if IOLI were 
to splinter, it would be a Katrina-sized disaster; we're under 2000 
membership as is (under no other circumstances would I have agreed to 
live deadline-to-deadline, being a lazy person, basically g)


2) Although indepenent - both chartered to IOLI and not - groups *do* 
engage in fundraising, it's done only for the benefit of the individual 
group (to support its library, to offset the costs of workshop 
teachers, etc). IOLI collects demonstration hours - to maintain its 
charity status - and that's about it. They *have* started to accept 
tax-deductible deductions, but that's very recent. And they do sell 
IOLI-related items (bookplates, badges etc) but, judging by the prices, 
they can't be making much profit  (if any) on them. With about a 
quarter of the membership that the LaceGuild sports, we don't have 
enough talent to produce inexpensive books (like those of Jean Leader) 
or calendars, or kits either.


That's how things *are*. Bitching helps, but only if one has a 
potential solution in one's quiver to offer; otherwise it's sere and 
unproductive. Looking to others for solutions is also useful, but only 
insofar as *one* of the many charting tools; as the (potential) new 
Chief Justice said (if in a totally different context g), we need to 
*look* at all other options, but we cannot take foreign experience as 
*our* precedent - it's not likely to apply to our realities.


I expect IOLI could start a designated get an executive to the 
Convention fund... :)



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[lace] RE: IOLI contest entries

[Laceandbits]

In a message dated 14/09/2005 00:52:32 GMT Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 We set a date of entries being in my hands by July 1st, so that all
 paperwork could be checked (don't ask, you'd be surprised what can be
 missed from forms), and also so that labels and judging sheets could be
 prepared in advance

Well an *entry* could be made because that could even be e-mailed, and
that's where possibly a photo in addition could be useful to give the
organisers
an idea of what the entry is to be, to be able to start planning the display;
obviously this year they know the shape and size but will want to consider
which goes next to which for the most pleasing visual impact. 

It's trusting my lace to international mail, and the time I will have to
allow for the same, that is my problem.  My renewal reminder from Laurie got
here
in 4 days, but that is exceptional. 

Jacquie in Lincolnshire

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[lace] Re: IOLI contest entries

[Tamara P Duvall]

On Sep 14, 2005, at 2:52, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jacquie) wrote:

Well an *entry* could be made because that could even be e-mailed, 
and

that's where possibly a photo in addition could be useful to give the
organisers an idea of what the entry is to be, to be able to start 
planning the display;


I agree entirely. A *registration* of an entry - via a form and a photo 
should be sufficient, in the early stages of planning for the 
exhibition. But it still requires that the piece is *finished* before 
you submit the mock-entry... :)


It's trusting my lace to international mail, and the time I will have 
to

allow for the same, that is my problem.


Trusting to the international mails, I cannot help; I've been doing it 
for 32 yrs, and the only bits that ever went astray were *cash* sent to 
Poland (which I wasn't supposed to send in the first place), in the 
bleakest days of the transition from the red to the black regime, when 
the entire country was hungry and looting... Of course, once bitten, 
twice shy... :)


My renewal reminder from Laurie got here in 4 days, but that is 
exceptional.


VBG It isn't, you know, or only by a day g While I'm surprised she 
sent yours s-mail (I got mine via e-), I have been - over the past 10 
yrs of Arachne - *timing* the s-mail mailings... An air-mail letter 
sent from Lexington, VA to UK takes 5-7 days. A letter sent first class 
(and presumably by air) from Lexington, VA to California takes 4-6. 
Peculiarly, it also takes 4-6 days to reach *Boston* (Massachussetts), 
even though both are on the East Coast...


And, anyway, I think that problem could be taken care of by specifying 
that the *postmark*, not the arrival time is what'll be considered when 
disqualifying late entries.


Besides which... :) If your entry - coming from UK - is disqualified 
because it arrives a week late, I'll not only *buy* a red hat, I'll eat 
it too, ribbon an' all, at the Convention banquet :)


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[lace] RE: ioli contest entries

[Helen Bell]

I cannot speak as a Contest Chairman, only as the Host group's liaison
person with the IOLI Contest Chairman (this year, Anne Moore and
Sylvie).

We set a date of entries being in my hands by July 1st, so that all
paperwork could be checked (don't ask, you'd be surprised what can be
missed from forms), and also so that labels and judging sheets could be
prepared in advance.  As it was I had some emails and phone calls to
make to people regarding their entries, and it takes time to get them
answered.  I would imagine that it could be difficult to expect 10
entries to show up, and then you get oodles more.  I was still sending
out entry forms into mid-June.

The other reason, is that the host committee needs to know how many
tables will be required to display the contest entries in the exhibition
room, and then in the banquet room.  As it was, I originally figured
we'd get perhaps 10 entries, so allowed for 1 or 2 tables at most, but
the entries just kept coming in. :-) I was up at 1am one night when I
suddenly realized that 2 tables weren't going to be enough to display
all the entries and that I'd need 4 tables.  

Table and linen needs need to be communicated to the hotel with plenty
of notice, so that they can be prepared.  I sent my room arrangement and
needs to our hotel in early July, and they made sure that the tables
were arranged as I wanted (although I let them know that if they had a
more efficient arrangement, I would happily defer to their expertise).

Cheers,
Helen

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Re: [lace] RE: IOLI contest submission rules

[mimi23boyz]

Thanks to everyone who responded to my question about whether someone could 
take an entry to the competition.  I wasn't trying to be difficult, but really 
didn't know the logistics of staging such an event!!  In my ignorance, I 
imagined the judges doing their job during the convention, not beforehand, and 
I also thought that photographs were taken then as well.  So obviously, those 
assumptions are wrong - for very good reasons.

Thanks again!

Clay

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Subject: [lace] RE: IOLI contest submission rules

I have to agree with Barbara, regarding the judging of lace from a
photograph.  You simply cannot see from a photograph, how lace is
mounted, especially if framed (eg, is it stitched or glued or just laid
in, whatever), and some of the finer points of the lace regarding it's
construction, finishing, etc at lost in a photograph.  You can only see
that under magnification of the piece itself.

Cheers,
Helen, Aussie in Denver

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Re: [lace] RE: IOLI contest submission rules

[Malvary J Cole]

Clay wrote: Thanks to everyone who responded to my question about whether 
someone could take an entry to the competition.


Is this actually the case?  Can entries only be made if they are sent to the 
US in advance?


I thought I had seen in earlier that Canadian entries could be sent to a 
Canadian address, and that entries from overseas could be brought to the 
event.


Advice please, it makes a difference to whether one wants to do all the work 
for an entry or not.


Thanks for your guidance.

Malvary in Ottawa 


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[lace] Re: IOLI contest submission rules

[Tamara P Duvall]

On Sep 12, 2005, at 14:20, Malvary J Cole wrote:

Is this actually the case?  Can entries only be made if they are sent 
to the US in advance?


I thought I had seen in earlier that Canadian entries could be sent to 
a Canadian address, and that entries from overseas could be brought to 
the event.


The issue of the Canadian and (other) foreign entries is being worked 
on and, hopefully *will be* resolved - more or less - as stated above. 
I think foreign entries will also be sent to the Canadian collecting 
point.


Debra (the Contest Chairman and the Bulletin Editor, who'll be doing 
the photography) is willing, since we assume that those entries will 
consititute less than half of the total, thus putting a bit less strain 
on her (of having to deal with all of them at the last moment), while, 
at the same time, making things a bit easier for the foreign entrants.


This seemed to be a compromise worth arguing for as being do-able. But 
Americans will still be expected to send their entries to Debra, and 
Debra will bring them to Montreal with her, having photographed them 
ahead of time.


The details are not yet ironed out (including who in Canada will 
collect the Canadian entries), so, please do not expect to see the 
change reflected in the Bulletin which will arrive (or should g) in 
your box in October; that issue had almost gone to print by the time 
the matter was raised, so there was no time to get it all straightened 
out. And, immediately after putting the Bulletin to bed, Debra had 
other commitments (including getting freshman twins settled at two 
different colleges; a logistical nightmare g), which has taken her 
out of Arachne circulation for a time. Give her another few days, and 
she might be able to say what has been done so far and what needs to be 
done; what can be done and what cannot.


Like Clay, I'd also thought that the judging was done just before the 
Convention. I find it difficult to imagine how it can be done 
otherwise... Are the entries being shipped all over the States to 
individual judges? Is that why they have to be in so early? I assumed 
that the idea behind collecting them all together (or in two batches) 
instead of being brought in individually was to have them all together 
early enough so that the judges could be assembled to view them, 
instead of having them trickle in as people arrived.


Barb? Helen? And anyone else who'd been a Contest Chairman in the past? 
What's the story?


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[lace] RE: IOLI contest submission rules

[Helen Bell]

I have to agree with Barbara, regarding the judging of lace from a
photograph.  You simply cannot see from a photograph, how lace is
mounted, especially if framed (eg, is it stitched or glued or just laid
in, whatever), and some of the finer points of the lace regarding it's
construction, finishing, etc at lost in a photograph.  You can only see
that under magnification of the piece itself.

Cheers,
Helen, Aussie in Denver

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[lace] RE: IOLI contest - entrant photos

[Helen Bell]

And following Steph's train of thought - some people have better
equipment or more skill, so they can better depict/photograph their lace
than some others, who may have an equally stunning entry, but be limited
by equipment or how to best photograph their entry.

At the library, when I worked, people/groups interested in displaying
art in the 2 galleries were required to submit slides of their work for
pre-selection (since there are 12 months in a year, and 2 galleries, the
most number of exhibitors in a given year could be 24), and there was
committee that met and selected who they wanted.  

In the latter case, it was an acceptable way to narrow the field, but in
the former (an IOLI contest) I'm not sure sending photos in first serves
a purpose (Steph put it eloquently).  It's not like the contest Chair is
going to refuse to accept a piece because it doesn't look any good in a
photo.  A piece might be disqualified for not meeting the specific
contest criteria.

I'll go back to making my cookies for bake sale at my kids school now
:-)

Cheers,
Helen, Aussie in Denver

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[lace] RE: IOLI contest submission query

[Helen Bell]

Sorry,  I forgot to add this part to my earlier message.

Clay, I can see where you are coming from, and I can honestly see what
you are asking (send a photo of the contest entry prior to Convention)
being applied at some point to the Exhibition Room.  

This year when I ran the exhibition room, by and large I had no
problems, but when I was working with the lovely Alice from Oregon and
seeing what I could do to get her panels and other things displayed, she
very kindly send me photos in advance, so that I had an idea of what to
expect.  One other person attached a photo of her antique piece to her
exhibit request form, with dimensions, so that I could see it.

I'm not sure I see why it would be pertinent to the contest to send
photos first, except to perhaps give the Contest Chair some idea of how
to display a finished item, if it were 3D (and 1 person did this, this
year).

I think the IOLI contest is kind of like entering the State Fair (or
Royal Show if you're in Oz), in terms of being less formal than some
competitions.  I've never had to send a photo in advance to the State
Fair.  The entry form goes in advance, and the lace a few weeks later,
whereby it's judged and then the winners (or all) are displayed.

Cheers,
Helen

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Re: [lace] RE: IOLI contest submission query

[RicTorr8]

In a message dated 9/7/2005 1:58:09 PM Mountain Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I'm not sure I see why it would be pertinent to the contest to send
photos first, except to perhaps give the Contest Chair some idea of how
to display a finished item, if it were 3D (and 1 person did this, this
year).

I gather the main concern is having entries get lost or damaged in shipping 
by carriers. 

I wonder if it would be possible for IOLI to allow persons to submit 
professional quality photographs in advance, as an alternative to shipping the 
actual 
piece for photographing by IOLI staff, for people who would rather not take 
that risk. Or is the judging done around the same time as the photographing? 

I am completely new to all this, so these are really just some questions for 
you all who know the ropes, from a curious bystander who does not intend to 
participate in this go-round

Regards,
Ricki
Utah

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Re: [lace] Re: IOLI Contest submission rules - another query

[Clay Blackwell]

Steph Peters asked, 

 What exactly is asking for non-professional photos in advance going to
 achieve? 

My thought was that the photo would give organizers information about how
the piece might be displayed among other pieces, and, with the information
submitted on the form, there would be enough information to determine how
much space would be needed.  Granted, a better photograph would be more
valuable than a poor one, but still, the person responsible for the final
IOLI photography could do a preliminary vetting, making sure to examine
certain pieces while determining that others would not be quite so
mandatory.  This last would only help in planning the time needed to
photograph the best of the bunch, and time would have to be allowed for
having missed a few based on inadequate photos.  And another point - if
someone had a wonderful piece of lace to submit, they might be willing to
ask around locally to find a competent photographer to take a photo to
submit.  To my mind, this would be an expense worth considering rather than
releasing a valuable one of a kind piece of handmade lace to the ravages
of the postal system!

Now, I grant you that this idea demands yet MORE investment on the part of
volunteer photographers/editors (and combined into one person a mammouth
undertaking!! - Thanks, Deb!)

Again - I'm not the photographer nor am I the exhibiting lacemaker (yet). 
But eliminating the uncertainty of shipping ahead of time would greatly
increase my inclination to participate in a competition or display.  I
suspect that I'm not the only one so inclined.

Clay

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[lace] Re: IOLI Contest submission rules - another query

[Tamara P Duvall]

On Sep 6, 2005, at 18:56, Clay Blackwell wrote:

And yet, I still have not heard a clear response to my question - why 
can't a person send their own picture, along with an entry form - for 
use of the committee?

(and then bring their piece with them to the convention).This would
certainly allow a photographer to allot time (on the open day -
Wednesday?) to photograph all of the entries which were likely to be
printed in the bulletin.


The original question (forget whose) was posed somewhat differently - 
why can't we supply our own photos *instead* of having someone else 
photograph the entries. And Aurelia's response was exactly to the point 
- because not all of them would be of publisheable quality.


Your question (send a preview picture, to be professionally 
re-photographed, *if* the piece merits publication) gives a *bit* more 
wiggle room. I think. Maybe g


Let's see... The entry *forms* (with the pics), would still need to be 
sent back ahead of time to the Contest Chairman. Probably by the same 
date - a month ahead of Convention - which doesn't do squat for those 
(like Jacquie), who're considering entering, but worrying not only 
about losing the entry in the mail, but about the extra *time*  lost. 
Unless, of course, we could be allowed to return the entry *form* with 
a photo of partially finished lace and full description... And that - 
on the basis of those - Debra would be able to determine which ones are 
the likely prospects for publishing.


I'm still not sure it would work... I think it would depend on the 
total number of entries and on the number of entries which Debra will 
want to publish patterns for (those need to be provided, in case of 
original design entry). Usually, the wining entries in the original 
design category get published (but she can't guesss which one those 
will be g), with the technical proficiency ones just getting a 
photo (usually, but if the adaptation is drastic...).


Beyond that (the winners), the patterns are published, I think, not so 
much according to how beautiful the lace, but according to how well the 
instructions have been written/diagrammed, and how prolific (or not) 
other contributors might have been during the year between 
Conventions...  So, I think, the Contest Chairman would like to have 
*all* the entries photographed against all possible contingencies, 
since she also happens to be The Editor of the Bulletin. Which would 
bring us back to square one - having to photograph all the entries 
during the Convention.


And I don't know about *Debra* vis-a-vis Wednesday, but... I'm 
perfectly happy to pass up a trip to a car race course, or chocolate 
factory or rodeo but, in Montreal, I'm about 99% certain the problem 
will be of *which of the choices to pass up* (just as was true of 
Hasbruck Heights and Bethesda Conventions)... :)  I've never been to 
Montreal and am not likely to visit again - anything they want to show 
me, I want to see. And, they're likely to have a lot of lace-related 
stuff to show.


An alternative would be that any entries would need to be recieved by 
a certain time on Saturday afternoon before convention opened.


That presupposes that not only Debra, but all the entrants unwilling to 
trust their lace to the mails would have to shell out for the hotel and 
meals for an extra 24 hrs...


Yours, wondering whether I could - possibly - make *three* mini-table 
ribbons (in wire) as prizes for 1st in Original Design, 1st in 
technical Proficiency *and* the Popular Choice, instead of just one 
(Popular Choice)... And whether I can do it by November 15 (next - 
January - issue deadline), so that it keeps the competition in the 
forefront, with still time enough to do something about it.


PS
This time, rather than forward all the pertinent messages to Debra (and 
clog up her inbox further), I alerted her to watch out for them; she's 
subscribed to Arachne, just too busy to dissect every dot and comma... 
:)

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[lace] Re: IOLI contest entries

[Tamara P Duvall]

On Sep 5, 2005, at 17:59, Helen Bell wrote:


The IOLI Editor knows what he/she (in this year's case, Debra Jenny)
wants for the Bulletin,


Debra has been the IOLI's Bulletin Editor for 3 (4?) yrs, and she's 
turned the publication around to the point where I dread the 
possibility of her burning out and quitting (Julie Hendrick was an 
excelent Editor also, if in harder times, and when she had not enough 
support, she left) so, with me, it's almost always what Debra wants, 
Debra gets g. Her being both the Editor and the Contest Chairman this 
year is unusual. But, as Helen says, she's *super* at photographing 
lace, which is why I always leave it to her to do the ugly bits of 
the publishing process.


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Re: [lace] Re: IOLI contest entries

[RicTorr8]

In a message dated 9/4/2005 12:12:31 AM Mountain Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The entries need to be photographed and ready for publication in the 
IOLI Bulletin *before* the Convention, so that the person designated to 
photograph them can have a shot at enjoying the Convention experience, 
instead of paying out oodles of hotel/food money for the priviledge 
of trying to photograph all the entries (possibly in bad light), oncce 
they'd been arranged on the display tables.


Could the IOLI hosts require the entrants to submit photographs for the 
Bulletin, instead of undertaking that photographing responsibility themselves? 
That 
would relieve the hosts from undertaking that additional task. Also, 
presumably, more people could bring their own lace with them, or send the 
pieces with 
someone else they trust. People who have photographs of their work would also 
better be able to substantiate any loss or damage under their homeowners' 
policy, if necessary. Furthermore, insurance companies recommend that pieces of 
value should be photographed for documentation under their property policy, as 
noted in my previous message

Just a thought.

Regards,

Ricki
Utah 

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[lace] Re: IOLI contest entries

[Helen Bell]

From what I recall from the form for the IOLI contest, you sign a
'waiver' that states that IOLI Board, officer, etc isn't held
responsible for any loss or damage or other incident.

Don't know if that applies to just at Convention or if it applies once
the item is in the hands of the Contest Chairperson or even if it's from
the time you ship/mail your entry to IOLI and it comes back to you (or
not as the case may be).

Cheers,
Helen, Aussie in Denver

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[lace] Re: IOLI contest entries

[Tamara P Duvall]

On Sep 2, 2005, at 19:25, Bev Walker wrote:

I do not think that pieces belonging to someone else that you cart 
across

the border into Canada would be taxable or dutiable


Probably not, with the appropriate paperwork done ahead of time; I was 
funning. But, what about the (individual) entries that - as things 
stand now - Canadians would have to mail to US? With, possibly, several 
months of work involved (given the size of the piece), how many will be 
willing to tick off gift, under $15, on the custom's form? And then 
some entries may have to be brought back to US and sent back to the 
entrants in Canada, *doubling* the problems... Would make much better 
sense (IMO), if Canadians could stay within their own postal system.


Back in my Polish childhood, we used to sing: a song knows no borders 
or barriers and it may be true of lace also, but I wouldn't trust the 
customs - either side of the border - to recognise the truth of it :)


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Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland)

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[lace] Re: IOLI contest entries

[Tamara P Duvall]

On Sep 2, 2005, at 22:19, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Might it be more sensible to arrange for a reliable person nearer 
Montreal,
who will be driving over the border, to take the American contest 
entries?   It

is something to think about.


The *optimal* solution would, I think, be for *everyone* (US and non) 
to send their entries directly to Montreal, with as little fuss as 
possible (I never mail my own lace via registered mail, for example, on 
the principle the less obtrusive, the smoother the road. But then I 
never value my lace so highly that I'm willing to spend extra money for 
insurance - useless, as several pople have told me - or any other bells 
and whistles like registered mail. Which only slows things down by a 
couple of weeks g)


But I don't think that's likely to happen... The reason entries are 
sent to the Contest Chairman (wherever the - willing - volunteer 
victim happens to be located) is so that they can be photographed 
well ahead of time. If they then hit the high spot (the prizes circle), 
everything's ready for the publication in the next Bulletin (because 
one's asked to send the *pattern and instructions* with the entry 
itself)... And there's no doubt that Debra (the Bulletin Editor *and* 
the Contest Chairman this year) is *superb* at photographing lace - I 
always leave it to her, and send pieces, rather than photos of them, 
when I submit a pattern for publication.


Trying to photograph *all* the entries (hopefully, very many g) in 
Montreal would have her running ragged (and we do not want to have her 
burn out prematurely - she's the best thing that's happened to the 
Bulletin in a long time). Sending the entries to someone in US who's 
closer to Montreal and who's likely to be driving rather than flying 
there is, IMO, neither here nor there (even if we were able to locate 
such a person); Debra arrives in Montreal and still has to photograph 
them all, and test the outcome on some (borrowed) computer, while 
there's no guarantee that a bored customs officer doesn't make things 
difficult for the person who's transporting them (and, probably, 3 
other lacemakers and their equipmnt, given the gas prices g)


Sending *Canadian* entries to Montreal may end up being the best and 
most sensible compronise.


Someone should be asking:  Does IOLI have an insurance policy that 
would cover such an international trip for valuable laces?


As far as I know, it doesn't. But, unlike the The Lace Guild/UK (which 
does have such insurance), while IOLI has a legal entity (enough to 
receive charitable status), it doesn't have permanent headquarters. It 
is staffed - entirely - by volunteers, so *all* locations (library, 
mebership, etc) change as the officers in charge change. The contact PO 
box (in Flanders NJ) is the only permanent factor in the whole jigsaw, 
and that only because someone - no longer the person who used to live 
in the vicinity - is willing to take a long trip every couple of weeks 
for the cause of lace...


I doubt any insurance company would be willing to take a bet on such an 
iffy proposition... OTOH...  If credit card companies were to pick up 
on the insurance business, who knows... :)  They seem to be willing to 
issue cards to dogs off the street, as long as they can dictate their 
terms, and balance their risks/losses by charging the reliable people 
more...


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Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland)

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[lace] RE: IOLI entries from afar

[Helen Bell]

Weronika,

Of course you can enter and not attend (there were several who did this,
this year).  

You must send with your entry enough money to cover your preferred
method of return of your entry (and I would also suggest a little extra
to cover the cost of a new mailer or box for return, since they are
sometimes not reusable).  

The entry form has 3 options for return of lace:  I will pick up at
Convention; my friend X will pick it up for me at convention; please
mail it back to me and I enclose the funds to cover its return via mail
(or a pre-filled out Fedex weighbill or something).  You select one of
the 3 options.

I hope you enter - it should be a fun contest.

Cheers,
Helen, Aussie in Denver

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Re: [lace] Re: IOLI competition rules revisited

[Ilske Thomsen]

Hello Tamara,
Haven't you read this:

  Beads, wire and raised tallies are permitted,

Greetings
Ilske

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Re: [lace] Re: IOLI competition rules revisited

[Dmt11home]

In a message dated 8/28/2005 12:44:17 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I just  can't believe that that's what the Montreal group had in mind 
(especially  since there's no earthly reason for it; as several people 
have said, the  narrowness of the table ribbon means that whatever 
else is placed on the  table, is placed *around* it, not *on* it). The 
rules would still be still  extremely restrictive, but, *that* 
restrictive??? It wouldn't make sense  at all, unless the results were 
*really* fixed already, and they were  positively discouraging 
interesting entries (which I don't really believe,  since Canada ain't 
US, and lace ain't politics  g)
I think it is more a matter that the contest chairman is anticipating  having 
to transport several of the entries in her suitcase and would prefer not  to 
have long narrow three dimensional structures which would be very difficult  
to transport.
 
Devon

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Re: [lace] Re: IOLI competition rules revisited

[Sue Babbs]

I think it is more a matter that the contest chairman is anticipating 
having
to transport several of the entries in her suitcase and would prefer not 
to
have long narrow three dimensional structures which would be very 
difficult

to transport.


Surely entries which are mailed in would be sent direct to someone who lives 
locally in Canada, not someone who would need to fly there (contest chair or 
otherwise)
Sue 


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[lace] Re: IOLI competition rules revisited - 3D

[Tamara P Duvall]

On Aug 28, 2005, at 8:10, Ilske Thomsen wrote:


Haven't you read this:

  Beads, wire and raised tallies are permitted,


I *have* :) Which is why, in response to Jacqui's warning about being 
careful with Gros Point (NL), I created a whole series of *rhetorical* 
situations where natural bumps, integral to the technique (BL, 
Crochet, Tatting), would disqualify those laces also, if one were to 
stick to the no 3-D rule too literally...


I still think that what's meant by 2-D only is pieces which had been 
constructed into pyramids and other such *afterwards* (once the basic 
lacemaking process is over).


And I still think that the whole issue could be settled - easily - by 
including the third dimension in the description, *as usual*... :) Just 
make it 35-45 inch, by 3.5-5 inch, by no more than an eighth of an 
inch (or whatever's the pleasure)...


What's difficult about that?

It would spare the organisers having to deal with - individual - 
panicked questions from potential entrants who're seeking to clarify 
the extent of the rules (truly, the organisers of the nearest event 
would as soon be spared the effort of replying to multiples of those 
questions at this point, since they'll be having other problems g) It 
would also stop turning off potential entrants who think dead-flat's 
not what I'm interested in and won't even ask.


Again: what's so difficult about that? *Add* the third dimension to the 
rules... Just make it *small*.


IM - NH -O

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[lace] Re: IOLI competition rules revisited

[Tamara P Duvall]

On Aug 26, 2005, at 3:11, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jacquie) wrote:


I wrote to Debra to ask how strictly the 2D aspect of it will be
enforced [...]
She confirmed that 3D will be disqualified.   Bear this in mind if you 
do

Point de Gaze as those flowers often/usually have an extra 3D part.


I can't imagine that the anti-3D restriction would go as far as 
*that*... It would disqualify not only Rosalibre, but pretty much every 
*bobbin* lace, as well as Point de Gaze :)


Proper gimp in PG should be 6-8 times as thick as the basic thread 
(I still take Ulrike Loehr-Voelcker as my guru on that g) - that's 
a 3rd dimension right there, and that's without considering laces like 
Polychrome, where even the *worker* is far thicker than the basic 
thread... All PG laces removed from the roster?


Piece laces, like Honiton and Duchesse (esp Withof) love their rolled 
edges (and Sandi Woods has been introducing those into Milanese, to an 
excellent effect).  All of those are taboo?


Can't imagine Russian tape (and similiar) with *nothing but* tape; it 
would be deadly boring... Yet, the tallies and gimp in relief add a 
3rd dimension to the lace. Tallies, verbotten?


Not to mention the guipure laces like Beds - the tallies there are 
often not only a big part of the lace, but they like to be laid on 
top (raised), and even rolled, as an integral part of the lace. Out, 
out, the damned spot?


For that matter, some of the cords in Rumanian Point lace are 3-D, as 
are some elements of tatting. And the best examples of crocheted lace - 
Irish and Koniakow - are 3-D here and there. *Hedebo* (suggested by 
someone, and more embroidery than lace) is not dead-flat, either... All 
of those, banned?


I don't think so. At least, I don't want to think so :)  I think (and 
hope) that the no-no,  3-D applies to pieces which are made to be 3-D 
by *post-process* (construction/assembly), not to the pieces where the 
3-D aspect is an integral part of a technique...


That is, I *assume* that that's what *is* meant by the no 3-D rule... 
You can have a table runner which is 5mm in places and and 2mm in 
places, *if that's an integral part of the technique*. What you *can't* 
have is a table structure, which is 2mm in one place and 50mm in 
another, because you'd sewn a beginning of a repeat to its end to make 
it bulge. Or have taken the thing off the pillow and made it into a 
flower, by coiling a length of lace.


By the same token, Rosalibre which is 3-D *by nature* (not by 
after-contrivance), and which is very colourful, should not be 
excluded, either... Not that I'm likely to make a piece that big (and 
that useless *to me*) in RL, even if it is allowed :)


We spend an inordinate amount of time to give our lace *texture*, which 
always makes the lace look *almost* 3-dimensional; if we were asked to 
go back to the uniform flatness of the very earliest laces (plaited and 
very early, gimpless, Torchon), it would be a form of rape and gag 
combined... :)


I just can't believe that that's what the Montreal group had in mind 
(especially since there's no earthly reason for it; as several people 
have said, the narrowness of the table ribbon means that whatever 
else is placed on the table, is placed *around* it, not *on* it). The 
rules would still be still extremely restrictive, but, *that* 
restrictive??? It wouldn't make sense at all, unless the results were 
*really* fixed already, and they were positively discouraging 
interesting entries (which I don't really believe, since Canada ain't 
US, and lace ain't politics g)


I'd appreciate a clarification - from those who'd set the rules - about 
this 2-D/3-D issue; if it were given soon, it could, perhaps, be 
included in the next IOLI Bulletin, with the contest rules that Debra 
intends to print there...


Yours, safely back from a trip to Charlottesville, where I attended a 
hen party (lots of fun) last night, and met Leona Farrell (Yvonne's 
daughter, at the U for the year from OZ. Lovely girl) for lunch today. 
The trip itself was the pits (intermittent rain on the way up, and 
unceasing rain as well as fog on the way back down. And a tank of gas - 
bought at the same place as always - is now a third up from what it 
used to be a couple of months ago), but such is life - a mixture of 
thick and thin... :)


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Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland)

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[lace] Re: IOLI competition rules revisited

[robinlace]

 Proper gimp in PG should be 6-8 times as thick as the basic 
thread 
 (I still take Ulrike Loehr-Voelcker as my guru on that g) - 
that's 
 a 3rd dimension right there, and that's without considering laces 
like 
 Polychrome, where even the *worker* is far thicker than the basic 
 thread... All PG laces removed from the roster?

Oh, come on, T, those are still flat laces!  Of course, all thread is 3-
D technically.  There's no such thing as a truly-2D thing in real 
life.  Even the finest paper is 3D.  They said beads were OK but to 
keep in mind the lace was 2D.  Rolled edged and rolled tallies are, I'm 
sure, within that restriction.  Just don't go making Rosemary 
Shepherd/Jana Novak flowers and calling them a table ribbon.  As for 
Rosa Libra, you'd have to contact the committee about that.

Robin P.
Los Angeles, California, USA

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[lace] RE: IOLI table ribbon contest

[Helen Bell]

I too understand that one of the rules is that it's to be symmetrical.
Can't find where in my stuff I saw that, but I've seen it there.

Cheers,
Helen, Aussie in Denver

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RE: [lace] Re: IOLI lace contest rules

[Carolyn Jeremy]

Well said.  When I first heard the theme, at IOLI Denver, I felt excited
(not for myself -- I couldn't design an exit out of a paper bag) because I
love table settings so much.  But the rules are so excessively restrictive,
I worry that a lot of people won't bother to try.  And if they do, surely
the format will unduely limit the scope for creativity.

I guess the answer will be something along the lines of, It's **their**
contest, they can do as they like but it won't be much of an answer.  I
would surely love to see what the rational is beyond that, if any.

Regards,
Carolyn

Carolyn Hastings
Stow, MA USA 


(most of Tamara's message removed for brevity -- refer to her original
message if the above isn't clear, please)

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 Subject: [lace] Re: IOLI lace contest rules
 
 
 Just to reassure everyone I'm still alive (if busy), and to vent my 
 Marplish suspicions...  :)

 
 But the other requirements struck me as funny, in how narrowly they 
 were set...

 

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[lace] Re: IOLI lace contest rules

[Tamara P Duvall]

Just to reassure everyone I'm still alive (if busy), and to vent my 
Marplish suspicions...  :)


This is, *strictly*, a mental exercise response; anything that's 35 
long is, to me, yardage, and, as such, of zero interest. When it's 35' 
by 3.5, it goes from zero to minus ten in no time flat. So I was going 
to just pass it up and not participate (the number of contests I have, 
quietly, not participated in is legion g), but then I thought some 
more and was struck by the requirements...


On Aug 16, 2005, at 15:09, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Debra, the Editor of the 
IOLI Bulletin) wrote:


I have received questions regarding the IOLI contest. For 
clarification  here

are the rules.
[...] the 2006 contest theme will be: Feast for the Eyes.
Flowered or geometric, traditional or modern, colorful or  subdued: 
[...]
The contest: Table ribbon 35 to 45 inches in length  (90-100cm) – 
3.5 to 5
inches in width (9-12cm), any technique, any size or type of thread, 
at least
two colors. The lace cannot be attached to fabric or framed.  All 
sides of the

lace should be finished.


OK. I'd have thought that the last requirement was a given; I can't 
imagine submitting - for a contest - an *un*-finished piece of lace 
(with whiskers flying all over the place) but, if we need to specify 
that, fine.


But the other requirements struck me as funny, in how narrowly they 
were set...


On the one hand, we have the Convention theme (Lace and the Art of the 
Table Dressing) and the contest theme (Feast for the Eyes)... Anything 
lacy to visually enhance a festive dinner table should be right, no? 
No. It has to be a piece 35-45 long, 3.5-5 wide, with no fabric in 
the middle (to put a flower arrangement or a candelabra on, for 
example, without obscuring or harming the lace).


On the one hand, we're told: traditional or modern, colorful or 
subdued... On the other hand we're told: at least two colors. Which, 
de facto, *eliminates* the traditional bit and puts a big dent into 
the subdued. This is the first time, *ever* that all white (or cream) 
lace is actually *forbidden* which, to me, is the weirdest thing. I 
work my lace in colour *most of the time* but, when I sit down to a 
festive table, with all the dishes in many colours (supplied by both 
the china and the food), the *very last* thing I want is a competition 
from a piece of cloth. I *do* use lace at the table - inherited from 
MIL or bought (cheply g) during my travels abroad, but none of it is 
bi-cloured. While I indulge in colour-play elsewhere, at the festive 
table I relax in the peace of a single colour...


None of the sizes/combination of sizes complement the size of my 
dining-room table, even before it's fully extended to seat 12. The 
shortest/widest (35x5) combination would still look like a child's 
shoe-lace, and totally out of place; any other combination would only 
look worse. I can't think of any reason to *have* such a piece on my 
Christmas table, much less think of a reason to *make* one (and I 
wouldn't want to make one - as an e-friend suggested - in 1:12 scale 
either. Wouldn't fit my dollhouse table any better g)


Possibly, I could contemplate making such a piece, according to the 
rules (size, and having at least two colours); I could swallow my 
preferences for fine and medium-sized threads and use Bockens linen 36 
which does come in colours... But, where does the size leave all the 
non-BL lacemakers?


I expect the tatters may be able to beef up something sufficiently, so 
as not to spend the next 10 yrs at it, as might the crocheters and the 
knitters. But, *any* of the needle and mixed lacemakers seem to me to 
be pretty much barred from participation, which previous IOLI 
competitions had never done; a 12 *maximum in any direction* allows 
for something small and delicate as well as something large and flashy. 
The current regimen does not. The specifications are just *too* 
restraining, every which way you look...


And, drat it, the size doesn't even round off nicely, in *either* the 
metric or the inch system... 3.5 is 9cm, barely acceptable. 35 is 89 
cm - doesn't make sense whichever way you look at it. 5 (OK, a nice 
number) is 12.75cm. 45 (another acceptable number) is 114.25cm (I do 
not know where the official 100cm comes from, but not from any book I'm 
familiar with g 100cm is 39 inches and change)


Which brings me to my Marplishness... Is it, could it be, possible that 
someone in the organising group *already has* a piece made, which 
*does* fit the specifications to a nicety? And has skewed the 
requirements to eliminate as much competition as possible?


Yours, growing super-sized right-hand deltoids while pureing tomatos 
via the Folley Food Mill and, as a result, feeling very FMK9-y

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Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland)

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Re: [lace] Re: IOLI convention (and competitions)

[Ilske Thomsen]

Dear lacefriends,
Just back from a wonderful lace class full of new ideas but missing the 
time to realize them I had a very short look over my 125 mails and will 
answer this one.
The congresses of Deutscher Klöppel Verband are a bit in another way as 
those from IOLI. We search our hotels or holiday appartements or what 
ever ourselves and aren't all together in one hotel all the time. Over 
the years the participants has become more and more. We have more than 
4.000 members but we don't have what you call, if I remeber right, 
Chapter groups. So the congress is the event and for lots of us it is 
a family event. there are little lacedays all over the country, I 
should say all over Europe meanwhile but the IOLI_meeting and our 
congress are comparable. I never took care how many members has taken 
part but I think the last years more than 400. What I can tell you for 
sure is that for the congress 2005 61 vendors has promised to come (I 
couldn't caunt them because I was in the US at that time). Our members 
aren't only Germans they come from all of Europe and there are some US 
people also. And as in your country some lacemakers are in several 
associations, i myself still in 4.
For our competitions we have more than 24 participants, the booklet 
with the works from 2005 has 88 pages, ok there are perhaps sometimes 
details taken and then one piece needs two pages but for sure not 
allways. For sure I can tell you that in 1999 there were 102 pieces 
three of them out of competition and 12 weren't in the correct way. So 
we had 90 from 13 countries.
Hope this clears a bit the differences, sorry that it has become so 
long.

Greetings

ilske

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Re: [lace] Re: IOLI convention (and competitions)

[Ilske Thomsen]

Oh, sorry Lacefriends,
I was too quick. I still found some other dates. In 2003 the theme was 
Spiegelungen/ reflections, can I say so?In that year were only 53 but 
 4 not for competition s o only 49 from 7 countries.

You see it is different from year to year.
Greetings

Ilske

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[lace] Re: IOLI convention (and competitions)

[Tamara P Duvall]

On Aug 7, 2005, at 15:35, Dagmar Machyckova wrote:

I couldn't possibly justify going to the entire convention and so I at 
least persuaded my newly-wed husband, that Colorado is the perfect 
place for Honeymoon.


Indeed! And congratulations on your powers of persuasion - the earlier 
you start training them, the better :)


We really enjoyed all the vendors, but were surprised at how few 
people there were. It seems that in Europe the lace days are much 
bigger.


Quite likely; there are more vendors in Europe than there are in 
Northern America (US and Canada). And for European vendors to come here 
and haul their stock is not especially profitable, especiallly with the 
dollar in the doldrums. Some of them do it if they can combine teaching 
and selling, but not many come just to sell.


Since this was my first IOLI convention I was wondering if this one 
was above or below average??. Is 25 pieces in the competition a lot? 
and how come if there is so many IOLI members there weren't more 
lacemakers willing to compete??


VBG 25 pieces in the competition is a very respectable number 
indeed... I remember submitting an entry in '91 and getting first in 
BL. Only after I stopped jumping up and down in glee (I had been making 
lace for 18 months when I submitted the piece) I looked at the number 
of competitors... I think I got first out of 4 or 5 entries, which 
neatly pricked my self-important balloon :) Though I never told DH that 
(like Carol and her won in the raffle g) - my ribbon was my 
passport to more time spent at the pillow without having to listen to 
the catalogue of un-done domestic chores... :)


And, speaking of competitions - now that y'all are homing back... I got 
an invitation to judge lace entries at the Virginia State Fair - again. 
And have accepted - again.


It's a 2.5-3hr trip (one way) for me, $20+ in gas, with a packed lunch 
gobbled hastily at a rest-stop... So, please, please send some entries? 
So that I don't have to spend 5-6 hours driving and 15 minutes judging? 
You don't even have to be a Virginia resident to participate...


details are available:
http://www.statefair.com/arts_and_crafts.asp

and entries are due Sept 2; just enough time to get your ducks in a row 
and finish that project which had been on your pillow for ages...



Hoping to be at the next convention for a whole week


Yeah, so was I, but I just heard that the hotel room is 180 Canadian 
dollars per night. At the current exchange rate it's (almost) 150 US 
bucks; much too rich for my blood...


--
Tamara P Duvallhttp://t-n-lace.net/
Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland)

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[lace] Re: IOLI convention update

[Tamara P Duvall]

On Aug 7, 2005, at 12:59, Alice Howell wrote:

Cathy had some of Tamara's variations to show us, and a picture of the 
techniques incorporated into a larger motif from South Africa.


The fish with the rose eye and roll scales was from Jeanette 
Fischer (also an Arachnean) and the most inventive way to use the 
Rosalibre technique I've seen so far. But, naturally, I'm more 
interested in my own stuff... :) Did y'all come up with a *name* for 
the 7? 'cause I'm almost ready to redo it as a 6-petalled one, which 
may not be as pretty (I agree with the Japanese that odd numbers are 
more pleasing visually), but is more likely to be biologically 
correct, as well as allowing for more colour play...


The Arachne luncheon drew many of us together.  I didn't count, but 
would guess we had  50-80  Arachnians present.


Since I didn't get that dizzy feeling while it was happening, I have to 
assume that not all of you lifted a glass for the absent friends, as 
requested :)


I too have used my convention time profitably (if unexpensively g) 
and the lace for the next IOLI Bulletin - earrings and pendant in wire, 
with earrings also made in metallic thread for comparison - is all 
done. Now to finish scribbling...

--
Tamara P Duvallhttp://t-n-lace.net/
Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland)

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[lace] Re: IOLI

[LACEELAIN]

In a message dated 19/06/2005 04:39:23 GMT Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


It  was because of my membership in IOLI, that I went to Denver for a 
workshop  (in '93, I think) and, for the first time, saw *other people* 
handling  bobbins :) The workshop itself proved not to be so great, but 
I made a  friend the first meeting of the minds I experienced in my 
20 yrs in the  US. My friend, in early June of '95, steered me to 
Arachne (then in it's  second month of existence g). The rest - as the 
saying goes - is  history...


Dear Tamara,
In this context,  I recall an early friendship blooming between us  which I 
have probably not 'watered'  properly.  I apologise for  this... it happens 
with me, I guess because of so much moving and a lot of  computer failures.  I 
hate to think now how may laptops have bit the dust  with laceelain 
correspondence dying on the vine. I really do value your  friendship. 
I put on a jacket from my 'London' wardrobe this morning that  is enhanced by 
a lovely initial in lace that you made for me quite  some time ago.. 
 
I'm sorry that I won't be able to come to Denver for IOLI; Ralph  and I both 
grew up there. and it would be interesting to see the city  again.  However. 
as usual, Ralph and I are in London now.  
I have seen two spectacular textile exhibitions here and will try to give  
some information about them on Arachne.  One was of the textile collection  
made 
by the Henri Matissethis was possibly the most exciting art  exhibition I 
have EVER seen, and the other, currently at the Victoria and  Albert Museum, 
is also wonderful.  It is beautifuly mounted and shows  part of the wardrobe 
of Queen Maud of Norway.  There isn't al lot of  lace in it, but where lace is 
used, it is used in a beautiful way.
 
Do havew a great time in Denver and think of me.
 
love,
Elaine .

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[lace] RE: IOLI Class

[purple lacer]

I received my letter on Wednesday.  I had been stalking the mailman waiting 
for it.  Wouldn't you know it came while I was away at our monthly lace 
guild meeting?  lol


I'm in the Binche class!  I'm looking forward to my first IOLI convention 
and meeting lots of you!


Anita Hansen
Cedar Rapids, Iowa

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[lace] Re: IOLI class

[Tamara P Duvall]

On Jun 10, 2005, at 9:06, Diane Williams wrote:


Got my class confirmation in the mail yesterday!  I'm
so excited, this is the first time I will be taking a
24-hour class.  Anyone else get theirs?

Now I need to order thread, pins, and maybe some more bobbins.


Mine came today. I'll be in Lenka Suchanek's wire class in the mornings 
and in Louise Colgan's advanced/3D Milanese in the afternoons.


Will need 20 more pairs of the little bobbins for wire-work - ouch! 
Wher, oh where am I gonna get them? Lenka had not been responding to 
e-mails for *ages*. I hope she'll have lots and lots of them for sale 
at the Convention :) Requirements for Louise's class are to come 
separately; I hope they'll be easier to fullfill :)


--
Tamara P Duvallhttp://t-n-lace.net/
Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland)

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[lace] RE: IOLI name

[Helen Bell]

You'd need to be careful with ALGI as it could easily be confused with
ALG - Australian Lace Guild.

Cheers,
Helen, Aussie in Denver

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[lace] Re: IOLI Convention/Denver

[Tamara P Duvall]

On Mar 23, 2005, at 11:47, Vasna Zago wrote:
That's a new - and very welcome - wrinkle; I can't remember 
receiving
one of those before (not that I've been to all that many Conventions
g), but I appreciate it.
Brilliant idea, Vasna, thanks! And thank the rest of the group; am
looking forward to be welcomed to Colorado in August :)
Actually, we stole the idea from the Keystone Lacers in Harrisburg 
from last
year.  Just want to give credit where credit is due.  :-
OK, I did not go there last year, so wouldn't have got the card. It was 
a hard choice... An IOLI Convention on the doorstep (or almost) was 
extremely tempting but, OIDFA in Prague (next door to Poland, allowing 
me to kill two birds with one transatlantic ticket g) was even more 
tempting. I've been to a couple of IOLI Conventions before and had 
hopes for attending more, but Prague was likely to be my one shot at 
attending an OIDFA Congress. And, needess to say, my purse wouldn't 
stretch far enough to cover both events...

And, we have about 65 registrations so far for the Arachne lunch, so 
all y'all
(western term meaning more than one you all)
y'all means more than one you Down South heah also. I think only 
the North  never got the idea, being so happy ridiculing/misusing it.

--
Tamara P Duvallhttp://t-n-lace.net/
Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland)
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Re: [lace] Re: IOLI Convention -location, location, location - and price

[Mary L. Tod]

At 9:46 PM -0700 3/16/05, Vasna Zago wrote:
Thirdly, I work at a university, and they don't do conferences anymore.
School runs year round.  Students are in the dorms all year. There 
are no extra
spaces, we barely have enough space for our own classes and staff, much less
renting precious classrooms out to conferences.  Universities are facing major
financial difficulties, and the times when one could rent a university for an
outside conference (at least here in the US) are long gone.  So, 
that option no
longer exists for IOLI convention planners.  It's a hotel or nothing.  And, to
get a hotel with any amount of classroom space means it's gonna cost the
convention go-ers.  Them's the facts.  BUT, in comparison to other 
professional
conferences, IOLI is still a terrific bargain.
The Embroiderers' Guild of America, Inc., has smaller regional 
seminars in some years, and in my area (Mid-Atlantic), we used to 
hold these seminars on university campuses until the late 1990s. But 
after that time, they changed to being held at hotels. Why? Because 
the organizers found that the universities had started charging as 
much as convention-style hotels for definitely not convention-style 
accommodations. It seems that the universities had caught on to the 
fact that they could make some real money renting out their space for 
these types of activities. This may not be true everywhere, but it is 
a factor in this part of the country.
As to when the tours happen (mid week, late week), the times and length of
classes, etc., it's all up to what the convention planners want to 
do.  And, as
we can tell from the messages, here, whatever one does, SOMEBODY is not going
to like the arrangement.  They/we do the best we can and hope the majority of
people will be happy.

Although it does mean one extra night in the hotel, I think it is 
nice to have a one-day break in the middle, especially for a newbie 
to lace-making, so that her head doesn't just overflow with all the 
learning crammed in there from intensive workshops. Even if you 
choose not to take a trip but instead work on your lace, it's at a 
more relaxed pace, with no time restrictions on when you're doing it, 
and so allows one to perhaps clear the brain a little for the next 2 
days of lessons.

--
Mary, in Baltimore, MD
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Re: [lace] Re: IOLI Convention -location,

[Sue Babbs]

Some colleges do conferences, and some don't.  The Pacific Northwest (USA) 
regional conferences have been held at colleges.
Many mid-western colleges / universities would not hold summer conferences 
because they are not air-conditioned (and I can tell you that most of us 
wouldn't enjoy that experience! Round Chicago is it hot and humid in the 
summer) The semesters are arranged so that the students aren't there in the 
summer months for a good reason!

Sue Babbs
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[lace] Re: IOLI convention at schools

[Jeff and Lee Daly]

Hi Arachnes,
I agree with Vasna about using schools for classes. Either school is in 
session (most of the year) or it is not (potentially the summer) but at that 
time, the staff is gone. They do not have food, or many services. Yes, there 
would be classroom space, but we would need maintenance staff to move the 
desks out of the way. There are rarely elevators and there are great 
distances between buildings so the class schedule would have to be modified 
to allow for time between classes too. (I HATED walking to class at my New 
Jersey alma mater!)
The school would not do any of the registration, room assignments, 
individual payments for rooms... my list could go on.  Basically, it becomes 
more of a do-it-yourself project on all counts. A convention committee does 
a tremendous amount of work as it is - usually with excellent results, I 
might add.
Lee Daly
in sunny New Jersey 

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Re: [lace] Re: IOLI Convention -location, location, location - and price

[Dmt11home]

In a message dated 3/16/2005 11:33:09 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

There's  but a *single* obstacle (as far as I've heard) to organising 
IOLI  Conferences on U campuses: the elder membership (the majority of  
attendees) is disinclined to *walk* from one building to the next  
(bedroom-food-class sequence)... And some object to student fare vis  
food on the been there, done that 40 yrs before, and don't want to do  
it again principle (but you send your precious child into the same  
environment, without a second thought, no?). Unstated but understood is  
also the problem that some of the elder attendes would not *fit* in  
(on?) a single bed...



Having spent some time among the mobility impaired while still youthful,  I 
would like to offer the observation that the IOLI Convention is a vacation  
that, generally speaking, is one that you can do with limited mobility,  
especially if the hotel is well supplied with elevators. (Funny how sedentary  
hobbies attract people who don't walk too well.) Last year's convention in  
Harrisburg demonstrated the importance of a handicapped friendly environment.  
Although in some ways the layout was good, only two floors to the hotel. In  
other 
ways it was bad since there was a set of stairs at the entrance that must  be 
traversed with suitcases etc. Worst of all was that many of the activities  
took place in a two story lobby with a stair case. The banquet/sales room was 
on  
the bottom floor below the two story lobby, and was equipped with a  
cumbersome wheel chair lift rather than an elevator. One day I was present  
when a 
group of perhaps fifteen, including hotel employees, friends and  supporters of 
a 
wheel chair bound individual and curiosity seekers gathered to  assist in 
transporting the person down the stairs to the sales room. Meanwhile a  steady 
stream of people using canes, some of them red in the face and breathing  
laboriously were working their way up the other side of the steps crying out,  
I'm 
OK, I'm OK, really I am.
Undoubtedly all these people would have to stay home if they had to walk to  
cafeterias and classrooms in other parts of the campus, or else there would 
have  to be cadres of people transporting them in vans, etc. 
And sometimes after a day of extremely exhausting and painful transporting  
yourself around, you might want to splash out for room service! It is often 
said  that being disabled is expensive and in a sense the entire convention is 
bearing  the expense of being available to people who are not terribly mobile, 
but that  is a lot of our group. (Some of this impairment is invisible in the 
form of  heart problems.)
How did they handle handicapped people in Prague? When I visited Germany  
which is as far east in Europe as I have dared to go since becoming mobility  
impaired, I was amazed at the number of people I saw dragging themselves  
around 
on two canes, until I realized that they were building brand new  buildings 
with no elevators there, so wheel chairs were not very useful.  It was two 
canes, or stay home. It really weeded out the weaklings! (I  began to take my 
cane 
everywhere because, while in the US you can just operate  as a normal person 
using elevators and escalators, in Germany when you arrive  with a cane, 
sometimes, if you are lucky, word is sent to the back office and in  about ten 
minutes someone arrives with a key and unlocks a freight elevator for  you and 
conducts you up to the fourth floor. Of course, when it is time to  leave, that 
person is nowhere to be found.)
However this points out a basic problem that the accommodations very much  
determine who goes to conventions. The needs of younger people and the needs of 
 
older people are somewhat in conflict. Pity the poor organizers of  
conventions.
Devon

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Re: [lace] Re: IOLI convention at schools

[robinlace]

Some universities have stopped renting to conventions and some never did.  
However, there are still many that have a reduced enrollment during summer and 
use conventions to make the summer school more cost-effective.  I've been to 
many scientific meetings at universities, as recently as 2003 (didn't get to go 
last year).  The accomodations were a whole lot less expensive than when the 
same organization met at a hotel.  However, it was a case of getting what you 
paid for.  

When the meetings were too big for a university (they may have lecture halls, 
but not necessarily banquet rooms and rooms for sales), they met in good (but 
not 5-star) hotels.  The convention was contained in one building, so walking 
to class was easy and cool, the room was cleaned daily, and there was a 
restaurant on-site.  

At universities, the dorm rooms were smaller, less comfortable (a student desk, 
hard chair, and twin bed instead of a table and upholstered chairs), one 
bathroom shared with the whole wing of rooms, and often a long ways from the 
meeting rooms.  One meeting had shuttles because the dorms and meetings were 
almost a mile apart, but at least that one was flat--I've also attended 
meetings where the dorms were atop one mountain and the meetings were atop 
another.  And 25 or more people sharing one bathroom, even though there are 
multiple sinks/showers/toilets, can mean serious delay in getting through one's 
morning routine.  Some dorms had cafeterias, a nice thing for a 
quick-but-filling breakfast, but crowded, noisy, and mediocre food.  

All of these incoveniences are fine for college-aged kids, but as they get 
older, many people become less willing to put up with that sort of living 
condition.  Some local committees may be worried they'd lose a lot of patrons 
if they held their convention at a uni.  A lot of older scientists didn't go to 
those meetings that didn't have a nearby hotel (and shuttle) in addition to 
dorms.

As for elevators, most universities have had to install some for ADA compliance 
(Americans with Disabilities Act).  And, in my experience, the university dorm 
administration handled room assignments.  Granted, not all lace groups willing 
to organize an IOLI convention will have a uni nearby that meets all their 
needs, but that doesn't mean we couldn't have some of the conventions at a uni. 
 Not that I'm volunteering to put one on, mind you! G

Robin P.
Los Angeles, California, USA
(formerly  Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania)
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 I agree with Vasna about using schools for classes. Either school 
 is in session (most of the year) or it is not (potentially the summer) 
 but at that time, the staff is gone. They do not have food, or many services. 

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Re: [lace] Re: IOLI Convention -location x 3 - and price

[Bev Walker]

Hi everyone
Yes, this is a most interesting thread - one should certainly never take
for granted the volunteer effort behind the lace
conventions/conferences/seminars/gathering-things.

The first task for any organizer is to identify the choices of 'where'
then eliminate by 'too' - such as too far from airport (or somesuch), too
small, too expensive, cheap but too uncomfortable, etc., and a biggy -
good but too booked :(

Most public places in NA have to be wheelchair accessible, ergo the less
ambulatory should be able to get around as well. If walking distance could
pose problems, it would do for the lace gathering organizer to keep in
mind a shuttle service from accommodation to classes, such as presented
itself for our PNWL conference at UVic last year (by the courtesy of one
very kind lacemaker and her husband).

Campus conference facilities can be very good - see if 'conferences
services' is listed in the links at a particular campus website. They will
list capacities, and services available and you'll know very soon if it
'too' is or isn't a possibility.

 --
bye for now
Bev in Sooke, BC (on Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada)
Cdn. floral bobbins
www.woodhavenbobbins.com

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Re: [lace] Re: IOLI convention

[Carol Adkinson]

Added to which, there are some husbands who don't play golf, and wouldn't
dream of spending that amount of money just on themselves, over however long
a period.   I know - I have one!But he has never begrudged me my
hobbies, and was always very supportive of me taking off for a weekend or
two every year, at a residential college, to indulge my hobbies!

Carol - in Suffolk UK.

  Does your husband play golf?  What's the difference between spending
$1000
  for a lace conference and spending $100 a week for at least 10 weeks
  playing golf?
  Same goes for any other spouse hobbies.

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Fwd: re: [lace] Re: IOLI convention

[Diane Williams]

Spiders,

I meant to send the response below to the list, but
only sent it to Bev!

Diane

 Bev,
 
 I'll be the first to answer your survey.  I am
 attending my 3rd convention.  I'm 39, married, one
 7-year son, work full-time and burn one week of
 vacation for the convention.  Last year we took a
 family vacation to Gettysburg (historic battleground
 near Harrisburg) prior to the convention, the boys
 dropped me off and came home and I followed after
 the
 convention was over.  This year they are planning a
 fishing trip to coincide with the time that I am
 gone.
  Next year I may not go to convention because we are
 planning a family vacation to Disneyworld.
 
 Diane Williams
 Galena, Illinois USA
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[lace] Re: IOLI Convention -location, location, location - and price

[Tamara P Duvall]

On Mar 16, 2005, at 19:50, Janice Blair wrote:
I have been to all conventions, except Puerto Rico, since the one held 
in Ann Arbor.  I have no recollection of staying at a 5 star hotel and 
some of them would be lucky to receive 3 stars!
$100 per night is sky-high for some of us, no matter how lousy the 
hotel really is. I agree with Weronika - and have been beating this 
same drum for years, like Cato and his Cartagina obsession - the lace 
get togethers ought to be set in (on?) a University campus environment; 
the last OIDFA, in Prague, was a *model* in that respect... And every 
city large enough to have a convention-friendly hotel is likely to 
have a U campus as well, so that's not an issue.

1) You have an option to share the - dorm - room (and are likely to 
share the bathroom with more than one person), or you can have a room 
to yourself if you're willing to pay extra. But, even if you share a 
*room*, you don't have to share a *bed* (something I personally dislike 
to the point of abhorrence; the more so, the older I grow) - the beds 
are singles, being aimed at students, not families.

2) You never run out of *proper* classroom space - something that 
happened both in Hasbrouck Heights and in Ithaca, where some people had 
to have classes in bedrooms or in suites, which were not really 
suitable as classrooms. Even if there *are* enough conference rooms 
in a hotel to accomodate 35 separate courses (I counted the Denver 
ones), the needs for quality light of businessmen on the one hand and 
stitchers on the other are not likely to be the same. Classrooms, 
unlike conference rooms are likely to be both large and well lit.

3) Universities may not have ballrooms, but they do have large halls - 
they need them for functions (graduations, etc)

4) The U cafeteria food may be unimaginative and a tad heavy on the 
starches, but it offers *some* choice and is *still* cheaper than the 
special of the day at *any* hotel large enough to have its own 
restaurant. And, in US, at least, fast-food places if not actually *on* 
campus (some universities have food courts on campus) are within less 
then spitting distance - students migh riot, if deprived of theit pizza 
:)

There's but a *single* obstacle (as far as I've heard) to organising 
IOLI Conferences on U campuses: the elder membership (the majority of 
attendees) is disinclined to *walk* from one building to the next 
(bedroom-food-class sequence)... And some object to student fare vis 
food on the been there, done that 40 yrs before, and don't want to do 
it again principle (but you send your precious child into the same 
environment, without a second thought, no?). Unstated but understood is 
also the problem that some of the elder attendes would not *fit* in 
(on?) a single bed...

The OIDFA/Prague organisers did - IMO - a brilliant job of marrying 
the divergent needs of have's and have not's... They booked places 
in surrounding (and superiour g) *little* hotels for those who 
couldn't stomach the U hoi-polloi as their daily fare. Those hotels 
were all within a short taxi-ride (1-3 bus stops) from the campus and 
the events. To be sure, it was a pain to collect them (and their 
complaints) on a trip day, but better than having them bitch abut low 
standards 24/7... And since all U meals were by choice, they could have 
theirs - better - elsewhere. Perfect.

When I attend IOLI (and other US) events, I try to stay at the hub. But 
I *do* resent -whether I'm flush or skint - having to spend a load of 
moolah (on top of a load of moolah spent on the air ticket), on hotel 
do-dads like environmentally-incorrect one-use shampoo bottles etc, 
only to be faced with having to work in a make-shift classroom...

Finding a hotel to have the convention
*Why* does it have to be a *hotel*???
Weronika, you will not be alone on Wednesday if you miss out on the 
trips.  I plan on working on my lace that day
So do I. But, like Weronika, I'd prefer to be able to opt-out of a trip 
at one *end* of the event, not in the middle of it. With the trip in 
the middle, whether I take it or not, I still have to pay for the hotel 
room for that night...

We can walk to the Super Walmart to stock up on cheap food.
Their advertisements don't always live up to their delivery - you have 
to watch your step carefully.

Wonder if they sell cheap plonk as well.
Ours does. *Very* cheap... barely a step above denatured alcohol, at 
least in 1liter bottles. The gallons might offer something drinkable :)

Weronika, plonk is Brit for cheap wine
--
Tamara P Duvallhttp://t-n-lace.net/
Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland)
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Re: [lace] Re: IOLI Convention -location, location, location - and price

[Vasna Zago]

 On Mar 16, 2005, at 19:50, Janice Blair wrote:

  I have been to all conventions, except Puerto Rico, since the one held
  in Ann Arbor.  I have no recollection of staying at a 5 star hotel and
  some of them would be lucky to receive 3 stars!

Tamara wrote:

 $100 per night is sky-high for some of us, no matter how lousy the
 hotel really is. I agree with Weronika - and have been beating this
 same drum for years, like Cato and his Cartagina obsession - the lace
 get togethers ought to be set in (on?) a University campus environment;
 the last OIDFA, in Prague, was a *model* in that respect... And every
 city large enough to have a convention-friendly hotel is likely to
 have a U campus as well, so that's not an issue.

(rest snipped.)

Geesh, Tamara, sometimes there's no making you happy, eh?  ;-

Anyway, I have a few comments.  One, is that it's impossible to find a decent
hotel room under $100/night these days.  Lots of my faculty go to conferences
all over and room rates are running about $150-$180 per night.  Secondly,
conference fees normally run in the $350 range, so IOLI convention registration
fees currently are dirt cheap.

Thirdly, I work at a university, and they don't do conferences anymore.
School runs year round.  Students are in the dorms all year. There are no extra
spaces, we barely have enough space for our own classes and staff, much less
renting precious classrooms out to conferences.  Universities are facing major
financial difficulties, and the times when one could rent a university for an
outside conference (at least here in the US) are long gone.  So, that option no
longer exists for IOLI convention planners.  It's a hotel or nothing.  And, to
get a hotel with any amount of classroom space means it's gonna cost the
convention go-ers.  Them's the facts.  BUT, in comparison to other professional
conferences, IOLI is still a terrific bargain.

As to when the tours happen (mid week, late week), the times and length of
classes, etc., it's all up to what the convention planners want to do.  And, as
we can tell from the messages, here, whatever one does, SOMEBODY is not going
to like the arrangement.  They/we do the best we can and hope the majority of
people will be happy.

Just my two cents, ma'am.

Vasna
In sunny Boulder, Colorado, where the crocuses got buried in the snow this week.

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Re: [lace] Re: IOLI Convention -location, location, location - and price

[Lorri Ferguson]

  Thirdly, I work at a university, and they don't do conferences anymore.
  School runs year round.  Students are in the dorms all year. There are no
extra
  spaces, we barely have enough space for our own classes and staff, much
less
  renting precious classrooms out to conferences.  Universities are facing
major
  financial difficulties, and the times when one could rent a university for
an
  outside conference (at least here in the US) are long gone.  So, that option
no
  longer exists for IOLI convention planners.  It's a hotel or nothing.  And,
to
  get a hotel with any amount of classroom space means it's gonna cost the
  convention go-ers.  Them's the facts.  BUT, in comparison to other
professional
  conferences, IOLI is still a terrific bargain.


  Your university may not 'do' conferences but others do.  We held a
conference at a local U in 2001 and had great service.
  'Doing Conferences' is their summer business.  We plan to use it or another
one in 2-3 years when we host again.
  Lorri
  Washington State

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[lace] Re: IOLI Convention -location, location, location - and price

[Tamara P Duvall]

On Mar 16, 2005, at 23:46, Vasna Zago wrote:
Geesh, Tamara, sometimes there's no making you happy, eh?  ;-
On the contrary... I'm easy to please, as long as my pocket-snake 
(which bites whenever I dip im my pocket for cash) remains sleepy... :) 
Mild as milk and twice as bland - that's me :)

Anyway, I have a few comments.  One, is that it's impossible to find a 
decent
hotel room under $100/night these days.
Granted.
Lots of my faculty go to conferences all over and room rates are 
running about $150-$180 per night.
Some of those conference rooms are not paid by attendees, but by their 
firm. Less so in the case of teachers (who are less and less likely 
to go, even though the conferences might be vital to them), but for 
certain sure in the case of the big cheeses (currently on trials for 
fraud)... The hotels have beenn trimming their rates to people on 
business accounts for years, as have the airlines.

Secondly, conference fees normally run in the $350 range, so IOLI 
convention registration fees currently are dirt cheap.
I didn't even think of questioning the registration fee - I feel we get 
a heck of a lot for it (though I'd happily drop the goodie bag for a 
$25 discount) - but now that you mention it... :) The normal 
conferences you're talking about are for *professionals*; IOLI 
conference, in contrast, is for people pursuing a hobby. We are not 
attending a conference and the workshops because - armed with all we 
learn there - we hope to make big bucks in the future... We go for 
personal enrichment, yes, but it has a different face :)

Thirdly, I work at a university, and they don't do conferences 
anymore.
Like some other people have said - depends on the school. Washington 
and Lee (the local U, *mostly* undergraduate) started to promote 
summer activities some 20+ yrs ago, as a means of getting money; 
parts of the U *had* to be open all year round but most of the paying 
students (undergraduates) went home for 3 months.

I've never known them to do *business* conferences, but they do all 
sorts of stuff - Alumni College (older people - alumni and spouses - 
coming back for some mental reinvigoration) , Summer Scholars (kids in 
junior year of highschool thinking of going to college getting a taste 
of it), various sports camps (one to three week long), and Arts Fair 
(4 weeks of art classes for kids between 6 and 18; 4 hrs a day, no 
food, no lodging, just classroom space). Given an early-enough booking, 
they *might* be willing to put up a lace conference. It wouldn't be as 
good for them as the other enterprises - I don't think any of the 
faculty could be employed as teachers, for example. But lace is still 
culture, and qualifies as adding to the cachet :) And there ar other 
colleges (junior) around, with fewer resources and, therefore, fewer 
scruples...

BUT, in comparison to other professional conferences, IOLI is still a 
terrific bargain.
In comparison to (other) *professional* conferences, yes... But we *are 
not* professionals; we are housewives, dabbbling at a hobby... We are 
not sponsored - in any part - by our place of employment (if we're 
employed at all); we have to shell out of our own pocket, no taxpayer 
money involved...

As to when the tours happen (mid week, late week), the times and 
length of
classes, etc., it's all up to what the convention planners want to do. 
 And, as
we can tell from the messages, here, whatever one does, SOMEBODY is 
not going
to like the arrangement.
You can please some of the people all of the time, or all of the people 
some of the time, but not both; sure. But the profile of workshops 
offered at the Conferences has changed over the 16 yrs I've been a 
member of IOLI; the 3hr and the 6hr workshops seem to have 
disappeared (RIP g), and the 12hr and the 24hr ones have become 
prominent. Presumably, because *intensive* was what most people wanted. 
So, who knows... If enough people object to paying for a night in a 
hotel room so that others can attend something totally unrelated to 
lace (a horse-shoe toss or whatever), then the attraction will also 
be moved in such a way as to accomodate the tourists but without 
putting the onus on the lacemakers.

Just my two cents, ma'am.
Heck, with the dollar in the dumps, I never bother with less than a 
quarter... Ma'am :)

--
Tamara P Duvallhttp://t-n-lace.net/
Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland)
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[lace] Re: IOLI convention

[Barbara Bulgarelli]

How do you Explaining to my husband why I want to spend $1000 on a lace 
conference... ?
Does your husband play golf?  What's the difference between spending $1000 for 
a lace conference and spending $100 a week for at least 10 weeks playing golf?
Same goes for any other spouse hobbies.
Barb B


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