[lace-chat] arachne lunch 2014
This may be a minority opinion, but for myself, my purpose in attending the arachne lunch is to meet fellow arachnids, and talk to them in a calm and quiet setting. This was something that was accomplished at the arachne lunch in Salt Lake City where we were in a room by ourselves with no other restaurant goers and we were able to go around the tables introducing ourselves and to engage in rather fascinating table conversation about years past on arachne. For me, a minimum of extraneous hassle is the criterion, and it doesn't bother me that much to pay $25 for a hassle free lunch even if it is mostly inedible. When one descends on a restaurant- table for 24, separate checks- you all have to look at the menu and order. Some people are served before others and are finishing up while others are nervously checking their watches and wondering if they will receive their food before the next convention activity. Although $25 may seem high to some, by the time you pay tips and tax, it doesn't seem to me that there is all that much upside to be gained for the sacrifice of maximizing the only hour of the year that you have to meet other arachnids. Devon To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace-chat] birthday wishes
When can one become a pensioner in the Netherlands? I didn't think the US Social Security system was more generous than that of the Netherlands. Devon In a message dated 3/1/2013 10:57:49 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, ag...@weatherwax.karoo.co.uk writes: Many thanks to everyone for the "happy birthday" wishes. looks like I am going to have a long wait for my present from husband, as the publication date for Ulrike's Torchon folder part 3 appears not to be anywhere near the 4th of March. Chocolate - the darkest possible - is a good substitute. I can just sit and eat and ponder that I am pensioner in the UK at 42 (according to my calculatuions), will be a USA pensioner on Monday, but not yet in my home country for several years to come and by then the Netherlands may be bankrupt anyway. Agnes Boddington - Elloughton UK To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/ To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace-chat] Richard III burial
Actually, it would be good for tourists not to limit their visits to London (or Edinburgh or Cardiff, the three capitals) and see more of the country. The entire country is rich with history I guess I had better put little smiley faces whenever I am speaking facetiously... A lot of people don't seem to get my humor. Speaking from the standpoint of a person who has actually laid a white rose on the ruins of Barnard Castle, and visited Fontevraud Abbey, twice, I don't think I can be accused of taking the easy way out when it comes to English historical tourism :-) Devon who has actually walked over a thousand year old clapper bridge to pet a Dartmoor Pony in the county after which I was named To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace-chat] Richard III burial
And, I think you can assume that most of them were built on "sacred springs" that pre-dated Christian worship. Just sayin... >From what it says about Westminster Abbey, it was built by Henry III, who was himself a Catholic and a Plantagenet! He's buried in Westminster Abbey. So, I am still a little confused about why the logical place for Richard III would not be Westminster Abbey. I am inclined to think that the Queen should step in and make a decision. It is totally unreasonable for tourists to have to travel all over England looking for Royal tombs. This must be resolved before they dig up King Alfred! Devon Actually all old churches and cathedrals in the UK were Catholic in pre Reformation days - /sets/ To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace-chat] Richard III burial
Jill wrote: One of the major considerations is that all the proposed burial places are Anglican, and Richard was a pre-reformation Catholic. Â Therein lies a dilemma But Westminster Abbey was also Catholic prior to the Reformation, so where is the problem? >From the website: Westminster Abbey is steeped in more than a thousand years of history. Benedictine monks first came to this site in the middle of the tenth century, establishing a tradition of daily worship which continues to this day. The Abbey has been the coronation church since 1066 and is the final resting place of seventeen monarchs. The present church, begun by Henry III in 1245, is one of the most important Gothic buildings in the country, with the medieval shrine of an Anglo-Saxon saint still at its heart. Devon To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace-chat] Richard III's remains identified
<> Could an ignorant colonial ask, "Why not Westminster?" Devon To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace-chat] Richard III's remains identified!!
OK, so am I the only person who wants to see an analysis of the DNA of the bodies found in the Tower a few years ago, thought to be the Little Princes? Devon To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace-chat] Good old days
Interestingly, it seems as though the Queen's coronation was the defining moment in the UK where the presence or absence of a TV was noted. In the US, the broadcasting of the manned space flights in 1961 and 1962 were probably the defining moment when many people without televisions realized that they would have to get them or be left out of modern communications. My mother actually worked in TV in the early 1950s, so my parents already had one before I was born, but I don't remember anyone other than high-brow types not having them by the time of the space flights. They actually wheeled a TV into the gymnasium of my elementary school and assembled us there so that we could watch one of these launches. I think it struck me as more amazing to see a TV in the school, an institution seemingly implacably opposed to TV, than to see a manned space flight. I am still reeling from the discovery that Donald Duck had a weekly magazine in the 1963. This week it was announced that New Orleans major newspaper, the Times-Picayune is going to stop publishing daily, and go to 3 times a week, making New Orleans the first major US city without a daily paper. So, now New Orleans in 2012 will be approaching the publication status of Donald Duck in 1963. Whither print media? Devon To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent
Re: [lace-chat] concentrated OJ
I am rather intrigued with this conversation, especially as I know absolutely nothing about diabetes. It has always been my impression that sugar is sugar, whether it be added (sucrose) or whether it be contained within a fruit (fructose). Is a sugar in a concentrated orange juice not as harmful to the diabetic as sugar added to Tang or marmalade? Devon To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
[lace-chat] Valentine's Day
As a follow up to our discussion vis a vis Valentine's Day as a holiday for children, I thought I would share with you the information that the Livingston Senior, Youth and Leisure Services Department, the recreation department of my local town, has just sent me an email to alert me to the fact that they are holding a Valentine's Dance for all Livingston children in grades K-5 and their parents. Kids get to bring mom or dad as their date. There will be DJ entertainment, a hot buffet dinner, cold refreshments, party favors and "many special moments for you to share with your loved ones", even special couples dances. Also present will be a professional photographer who will be available to take family portraits at an additional fee. I think this is an interesting illumination of how a holiday that is traditionally associated with romantic love has become a holiday for children. But still with romantic overtones! Mom or Dad as date, special couples dances? Devon To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace-chat] Valentine customs
In the US it is customary for children to exchange penny Valentines, tiny minimal Valentine greetings in tiny envelopes, especially in school. My grade school classroom had a box to put all the Valentines in. My mother insisted on enclosing tiny valentine candies with each penny Valentine, causing quite a stir. Once it again it was quite obvious that my mother was the best mother ever. I even recall a year when she equipped us with red, silver and gold papers and paper doilies and we went at it with the glue and scissors, crafting an individual Valentine for each child in my class. (In retrospect this doily episode seems like it might have had more impact on my development than anyone may have suspected at the time.) Also, I always received Valentines from my parents and even from my pets and stuffed animals. My daughter was similarly gifted. However, Valentine treats were usually candy, or a paper greeting, not money. When I lived in France in 1983 I made a Valentine for the child of a French friend and the mother stared at it querulously and asked me if I "prepared them every year", leaving me to wonder if the French didn't have this Valentine custom. Perhaps it was simply a comment on the quality of the homemade Valentine. Now that my daughter is an adult, my husband buys the most inexpensive box of Godiva chocolates available at a kiosk in a department store in the mall, for each of us, to be presented on Valentine's Day. But he does not buy roses, which appear on every street corner on that day, at hugely inflated prices. From Wikipedia, I note that there is a move on by the diamond indu stry to make Valentine's Day a jewelry giving occasion, but that has not caught on at our house. Devon To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com.
[lace-chat] Re: [lace] Re: Edwardian Farm
<> I checked out Amazon US and not only is a DVD of Edwardian Farm not listed, but Victorian Farm and Tales from the Green Valley are available only in "Non-USA" format. 1900 House is available on US format, but it was actually shown here, as was Larkrise. Neither Victorian Farm, nor Tales from the Green Valley seem to be on Netflix, either, possibly because there is no US format version. I wonder if it isn't the case that if our PBS stations don't buy the show, that means that it will not be put in USA format. I have moved this to "chat" because it is beginning to be a discussion about international broadcast policy. Devon To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com.
[lace-chat] Re: [lace] Re: Edwardian Farm
I personally think that there is a good chance that the show will come to one of several PBS channels in my area, through which I have enjoyed Eastenders for years. I just loved the Victorian House, and Edwardian House shows, and the Regency one where all the young people were supposed to pair up, despite being constantly chaperoned. The one set during WWII was a blast, what with the father building a bomb shelter, and the mother and grandmother having to give up smoking because cigarettes were rationed, and also being made to learn to cook. The most endearing moment was when the little boy described how his mum had made a blancmange and how incredibly tasty it was. I don't believe he had ever had a home cooked meal before. However, I can tell that probably only 50% of these ever come to a region even as well served as mine which has numerous PBS stations, and also BBC America. I would never, ever, condone copyright infringement, even when an entire continent is denied the opportunity to see Pat Perryman instructing a would be Edwardian lacemaker. Heck, if we can't make a good historical recreation show which includes lacemaking on this side of the Atlantic, we don't deserve one. And if our public stations decide that Edwardian Farm may be a little too rarefied for an American audience, that is a decision I am prepared to live with. But, speaking theoretically, and purely from a technical standpoint, I would think that if there was some black-hearted fiend so devoid of a moral compass that they could live with themselves after doing such a thing, they could set up a camera that takes moving pictures on a tripod in front of the TV or computer and switch it on when the lacemaking begins. Any malefactor who would commit such an offense would probably be cagey enough to practice first on a less interesting show, just to make sure the settings on the camera were right. This illegal and universally condemned practice is called "Bootleg" on this side of the pond, and practiced only by the dregs of humanity. Devon To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com.
[lace-chat] Dishwashers
Vis a vis dishwashers, although possibly not other appliances, Whirlpool now makes Maytag and Kitchenaid. Maytag is supposed to be a lower order of dishwasher whereas Kitchenaid is supposed to be co-equal to Whirlpool. I think that Whirlpool also makes Amana now. GE makes Hotpoint which is considered a lower priced line, although my repairman claims they need fewer repairs than other brands, possibly because they have fewer features to malfunction. It seems that Sears uses different manufacturers for different appliances, so I don't think they are all made by Bosch, although some are. I would like a dishwasher that I don't have to manually clean out the filter on because of both the ick factor and the bad back factor (Bosch seems to require this.). However, many of the better, or at least more expensive ones do not have an automatic disposer in them, thus requiring manual clean-out. This is counter intuitive, but there it is. The GE Profile, which is very highly rated by Consumer Reports, has practically all the features I would like, but GE has recently recalled many of these models and the Consumer Affairs website (which I like to check along with Consumer Reports) is replete with reports of the GE Profile dishwashers spontaneously catching on fire when the machine is not on, and frequently in the middle of the night. It is claimed that water condensation dripping on the electronic control board results in an over heated connector. Although one would hope that GE has rectified this glitch, they recalled as of a week ago, 174,000 dishwashers sold between July 2003 and December 2006. My human dishwasher of 30 years tells me that he refuses to buy a mechanical dishwasher with even a remote chance of burning down the house, regardless of other endearing features. One thing that you can deduce from the Consumer Affairs complaint bureau is that there is no misery greater than an appliance that is a lemon from the day you get it, and that if you are unlucky enough to get one of these, you will be shunned by the manufacturer and lied to by repairmen who tell you you have misused the appliance by having your water too hot. too cold, or too hard, the wrong kind of detergent, or dishes that are not sufficiently dirty. All repairs will cost as much as a new dishwasher. Meanwhile, other people will be deliriously happy with the same appliance. I am paralyzed with indecision. Devon To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com.
[lace-chat] Has anyone bought a good dishwasher lately
We seem to have offended the appliance gods, since all our appliances are dying at once. I have been poring over consumer reports, and internet reviews of dishwashers and I am now terrified of buying one that either bursts into flames or does not clean the dishes. It would appear that recent advances in energy and water savings in the US have rendered dishwashers less effective in their primary purpose. Also, there is a micro-processor in every appliance made in the US, and the micro-processors break when they get hot, which seems to be quite likely and quite common in a dishwasher or oven, leading to expensive repairs. I have just replaced my oven with a GE Profile model, and I almost had a coronary when I was told by the installer that I could expect 5-8 years of service from it. The appliances that are being replaced are thirty years old, and it was not my intention to have to replace all major appliances twice a decade. Since many of the people who are reporting their appliance experiences on the internet are people who are having the worst possible experiences, which skews the information, I thought I should ask the list if there is anyone who has had a good or bad experience with a dishwasher purchased in the last 5 years or so. How I long for my old style appliances that lasted forever, but that is now a bygone era. What is the best dishwasher brand now, I wonder. Devon To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com.
Re: [lace-chat] Cell phones
The cable company can install a broadband connection without there being a landline. My daughter has both cable TV and broadband, but no landline phone. Devon In a message dated 10/22/2010 3:21:55 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, j...@nathan54.freeserve.co.uk writes: There are many areas, such as motorway service stations and our local park where a wireless service is available, probably in the universities as well, but I don't know of anyone who has a broadband connection at home who hasn't got a landline. To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com.
Re: [lace-chat] Re: Cell phones
In a message dated 10/21/2010 4:29:37 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, tat...@tat-man.net writes: <> She could call you on the phone :-) Actually, I am a hard wired girl, but among the young these days, they only have the Iphone. They do not get a hard wired phone at all. So, people are deciding it is the home phone they can do without. Neither my daughter or her boyfriend have a hard wired phone in their apartments. Instead they have their Iphones with them always. Since I am on a "family plan" with my daughter, in which the second phone only costs $10 more a month, the cost is split over the two phones. (Although I bear 100% of the cost, because that is what mom's do.) The only fly in the ointment is that she has to have an additional monthly texting plan. I am not sophisticated enough to understand why, when you can send an email on your phone, you also need to text, unless it is to communicate with people who don't have email on their phones. Dare I dream that we could drop this in the next contract negotiation? Interestingly, my daughter usually calls me while she is walking from work to her next destination. The phone allows her to take this otherwise unproductive time and use it to keep in touch with Mom. Devon To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com.
Re: [lace-chat] Cell phones
Oh, yes, I forgot to mention that I can read the NY Times when I am on a train on the Iphone. I got the Iphone just at about the time that the Times went to $2 a copy. I used to buy a copy to read whenever I got on the train to go to NY, but now I read it on the iphone. If you figure I might ride the train 40 times a year, that works out to an $80 savings. And no trees are killed and the paper doesn't have to be recycled. And I don't have to carry it. Devon To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com.
Re: [lace-chat] Cell phones
I guess I am the only person who really likes my Iphone. If we are out shopping for instance, and we have just gone to every store we know of that has a double oven (recent shopping event) I can search the internet to find out if there are any other appliance stores out there that we don't know about, and my phone will tell me exactly how to get to them. Or say we remember some place we have been to, but don't recall exactly where it is, we can search from the iphone. There is no need to return home and search the internet or consult the increasingly unuseful Yellow Pages phone directory. Also, if we have just decided to go to restaurant that we are going to be driving near, we can get the number from the Iphone and call for reservations, easily. Vis a vis the camera function. It is great. My husband and I have had many cameras over the years that we take with us to places. Inevitably when we get to these places, my husband, who doesn't like to carry things, says, we can leave the camera in the car, right? Then supposedly if there is something we would like a photo of, we intend to go get it, but that never seems to work out. Now, with the Iphone, I can take a picture instantly and not carry any extra weight. I can, for instance, suddenly decide to take a picture of my daughter and her boyfriend at dinner, and I can send it instantly to his mother so that she can enjoy the moment, too. When my daughter travels, she usually sends me a picture every day so that I can see what she is doing. I can even take a picture of an interesting lace if one appears, without having to have anticipated this. I was in Ithaca for the lace weekend this year and was walking by a closed store with a beautiful wire woven sculpture in the window. I thought one of my lace friends who works in wire would be interested, so I took a picture of it, and dispatched it instantly. I actually find there are many times when my expensive camera takes a worse picture than the Iphone, especially when I am shooting a picture of lace through a glass barrier. I have no idea why this is. But after taking a few with my expensive camera that don't work out, I take one with the Iphone and it is usually better. As for the utility of messages, it is always nice when you are standing on a street corner waiting for someone to meet you, to be able to check for messages in case the person has left you one saying she isn't coming, or is running late and will meet you somewhere else. I can also read my email on it when we are traveling, thus saving me from having to take a computer and pay for an internet connection. And then there are those moments in the car or when you are out, when you suddenly want to know some item of trivia like the state bird, let's say, or when gun powder was invented, or when the Erie Canal opened. Sometimes this is very important for settling disputes among family members. Voila, wikipedia to the rescue. Actually, the first time I saw an Iphone, it was at Sweet Briar and another attendee wanted to know how she could get the desirable flat pillows from Germany. She had me search the internet for the provider on her Iphone during lunch, and I found her. It was then that I perceived that the Iphone had real possibilities. Devon To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com.
Re: [lace-chat] Re: Truths for mature adults
In a message dated 10/19/2010 2:13:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, joybee...@comcast.net writes: <> Then your husband won't be able to locate you when you get separated in the mall, one of the most important advantages of cell phone use. Devon To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com.
Re: [lace-chat] Fiber Familarity again
Sherry writes << also think that when people are demonstrating lace it would be good to be working on something that isn't so complicating to look at. The fewer the bobbins, the few the pins set up the less intimadating it looks. There are things that can be laced up with minimal about of bobbins. Example would be snakes, or some simple Christmas ornaments like stars. This also makes me think of Tamara Duval's two pair evention books. Making flowers can be done too that don't look complicating or simple butterflies. Something simple looking to do is key I think. >> I also think that working something that allows you to move the bobbins very fast is a good idea. I worked a gold thread, all linen stitch modern ornament resulting in the bobbins moving very fast and the entire ornament finished within a 3 hour period. The fast movement of the bobbins seemed to attract people, also the prospect of seeing visible progress. Perhaps this is a form of deception Devon To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com.
Re: [lace-chat] Spam?
Is there some way you can forward the email to some help entity at aol, which is outside of the links within the email to inquire about it? Devon In a message dated 3/7/2010 9:41:30 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, scotl...@aol.com writes: Advice is needed - or confirmation. I have received a message from aol which I think is spam. I have been told that my aol account needs to be updated if I want to continue with my aol account. The details requested - full name and address, date of birth, mother's maiden name, card number, bank details, pin number - suggest strongly to me that this is a con. There is no way I would ever give out my pin number, not to mention my banking details. As I write this I become more and more convinced this is the type of message I have constantly heard warnings about but I would like this feeling to be confirmed by someone with more savvy than I am.. Thank you. Patricia in Wales _scotl...@aol.com_ (mailto:scotl...@aol.com) To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com. To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com.
[lace-chat] Unicorn in Captivity
Not to beat a poor unicorn to death, but The Unicorn in Captivity is thought to not be part of the series, but rather a "one off" tapestry, even though it is displayed with the others. It doesn't follow logically that the unicorn would end up tranquil and happy in a pen after the savagery of the hunt. Here is the link to the catalogue entry for that tapestry. _http://www.metmuseum.org/works_of_art/collection_database/the_cloisters/the _unicorn_in_captivity/objectview.aspx?page=2&sort=5&sortdir=asc&keyword=&fp= 1&dd1=7&dd2=28&vw=1&collID=28&OID=70007568&vT=1_ (http://www.metmuseum.org/works_of_art/collection_database/the_cloisters/the_unicorn_in_captivity/objec tview.aspx?page=2&sort=5&sortdir=asc&keyword=&fp=1&dd1=7&dd2=28&vw=1&collID= 28&OID=70007568&vT=1) _http://www.metmuseum.org/explore/Unicorn/unicorn_inside.htm_ (http://www.metmuseum.org/explore/Unicorn/unicorn_inside.htm) is a website for people who can't get enough of the Hunt of the Unicorn. It even has features in which you can run the cursor over animals in the tapestry and they light up and tell you what the animal meant in the era that the tapestry was woven. Devon To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com.
Re: [lace-chat] American Decorations help
I am a Yankee myself, but I believe that C.S.A is often used to denote Confederate States of America. So your relatives may have been members of the Confederate Army which fought for the Southern States that had succeeded from the Union. Devon In a message dated 2/3/2010 9:16:20 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, dccoll...@ncable.net.au writes: Dear Friends, In recent family history work I've unearthed a lot of American cousins, quite a number of whom have the initials "C.S.A." after their name. Could SKS please tell me for what that stands? They may have all be men killed in the Civil War - not sure. Many thanks David in Ballarat To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com. To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com.
Re: [lace-chat] Lady with Unicorn cross-stitch
In a message dated 2/2/2010 11:39:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, spind...@gmail.com writes: I've seen the ones in the Cloisters, too. I'd forgotten about that, probably because it was part of a disastrous weekend when I broke up with my boyfriend while I was in grad school. The ones in the Cloisters are "The Hunt of the Unicorn" and depict the savage slaying of a unicorn. We took my daughter when she was about 6 years old, and quite interested in unicorns to see them. Instead of enjoying them, she became hysterical and began to cry in front of the tapestry in which people were stabbing the unicorn. We had to carry her out of the room. The Cluny Museum series is much more pleasurable and sedate, since it depicts the five senses, not unicornicide. Devon To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com.
Re: [lace-chat] True or false
I was totally taken off guard by the end of the modern ant and grasshopper story. I thought the grasshopper was going to lose all the ant's money, savings, value in his home, due to a very hard to understand derivatives trading operation, receive funds from the government because he is too big to fail, and pay himself a big bonus. Then, the ant, facing the reality that he will have to work to his dying day to make up for the loss of his carefully husbanded savings, and "underwater" on his mortgage due to a grasshopper induced housing bubble, loses his job which has been exported to a country without safety and health regulations, dying finally of a sinus infection which he cannot afford to have treated, due to lack of health insurance, because he doesn't have a job. Meanwhile Congress calls a special session to debate how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. Boy was I wrong! What a relief. I much prefer your version. Devon >From Agnes, the modern version of the Ant and the Grasshopper story MODERN VERSION: The ant works hard in the withering heat all summer long, building his house and laying up supplies for the winter. The grasshopper thinks the ant is a fool and laughs and dances and plays the summer away. Come winter, the shivering grasshopper calls a press conference and demands to know why the ant should be allowed to be warm and well fed while others are cold and starving. CBS, NBC , PBS, CNN, and ABC show up to provide pictures of the shivering grasshopper next to a video of the ant in his comfortable home with a table filled with food. America is stunned by the sharp contrast. How can this be, that in a country of such wealth, this poor grasshopper is allowed to suffer so? Kermit the Frog appears on Oprah with the grasshopper and everybody cries when they sing, 'It's Not Easy Being Green.' Acorn stages a demonstration in front of the ant's house where the news stations film the group singing, 'We shall overcome.' Rev. Jeremiah Wright then has the group kneel down to pray to God for the grasshopper's sake. Nancy Pelosi & Harry Reid exclaim in an interview with Larry King that the ant has gotten rich off the back of the grasshopper, and both call for an immediate tax hike on the ant to make him pay his fair share. Finally, the EEOC drafts the Economic Equity & Anti-Grasshopper Act retroactive to the beginning of the summer. The ant is fined for failing to hire a proportionate number of green bugs and, having nothing left to pay his retroactive taxes, his home is confiscated by the Government Green Czar. The story ends as we see the grasshopper finishing up the last bits of the ants food while the government house he is in, which just happens to be the ant's old house, crumbles around him because he doesn't maintain it. The ant has disappeared in the snow. The grasshopper is found dead in a drug related incident and the house, now abandoned, is taken over by a gang of spiders who terrorize the once peaceful neighborhood. Agnes Boddington - Elloughton UK To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com. To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com.
Re: [lace-chat] Aussie lifestyle
In a message dated 12/3/2009 1:59:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, ag...@weatherwax.karoo.co.uk writes: OK David, just one question and a remark: What is a wharfie? Oooh, Oooh, can I guess this one? I think it is someone who works on a wharf unloading ships comparable to our "longshoreman" which forms part of the popular simile at least in the US, "Swearing like a longshoreman", or the less direct, "using language that would make a longshoreman blush". But the more interesting question is whether your tomato sauce is our ketchup? Devon To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com.
Re: [lace-chat] Penguin facts
Yes, actually, it is very interesting to hear an eye witness account of the antarctic. I don't think I will ever be there myself, although I would love to see it. Thank you Marion. Devon In a message dated 11/17/2009 8:52:50 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, clayblackw...@comcast.net writes: I do appreciate the "real" answer to the question of the fate of penguin bodies... It's not so different than in any other part of the world. Food chain, pure and simple. I did understand that the message from Jean was an elaborate pun, which I enjoyed. Clay To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com.
Re: [lace-chat] Penguin facts
But do they sing "Freeze a Jolly Good Fellow"? Perhaps they favor Auld Lang Syne, or The Parting Song? I guess Jean had better label her jokes more obviously :-) Devon In a message dated 11/17/2009 4:54:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mfgo...@bigpond.com writes: Jean this is so untrue having visited Antartica l know that the scavengers there especialy the squers, very agressive birds clean up any sick or dead penquins and thepenguins are also hunted by whales seals and walruses. Marion Goard. mfgo...@bigpond.com - Original Message - From: "Jean Nathan" > Your fact for the day > > Did you ever wonder why you never see dead penguins on the ice in > Antarctica > ? > To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com.
[lace-chat] French Onion Soup
<> Hmm. Water, not stock. From an actual French person. Where is the outrage? Devon shivering in the snow, eating bouillon To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com.
Re: [lace-chat] French onion soup
With the quantity of butter, wine, olive oil impregnated toasted croutes and grated cheese in Julia Child's version of Onion soup. I remain unrepentant on the subject of bouillon cubes. I say, "Make lace, not stock". Incidentally, while my 1968 copy of The French Chef cookbook seems to open naturally to the oil stained page with the onion soup recipe, it also seems to open invitingly to the Poatage Parmentier page which yields a leek and potato soup recipe that makes the most divine Vichyssoise. I think I have owned the book for 40 years for just these two recipes. Devon In a message dated 10/28/2009 11:54:11 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, he...@access-experts.com writes: Devon, Can I come and huddle with you in the street too? :-) I have a decent recipe for French onion soup - and it'll make me even more of a heretic since it's from an Australian Woman's Weekly cookbook, so it's an Australian version of a French classic. But it has some sherry in it and I think it calls for gruyere cheese and not cheddar, so it's not a total abomination. :-) French onion soup sounds really good today. Might have to go and get some onions and bacon and make some for dinner one night. My 2 child units don't care for it, but DH enjoys it occasionally. And don't ask me how I make my gumbo, coz it'll make me even worse of a heretic :-) Helen, Aussie in Duvall, WA To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com. To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com.
Re: [lace-chat] Re: dom in paris/french onion soup
The second recipe, that of Julia Child is one that I used to make a lot before I became calorie conscious. It is very good, exquisitely tasty, and using a beef soup made from a bouillon cube works just fine, in fact, I doubt it could be much better if you used the homemade stock. You can make the soup ahead and then reheat it, put it in a bowl with the toasted bread and cheese on top and put it under the broiler for a quick Saturday lunch on a cold day. I did make it in individual French soup bowls which I think tends to help the toasted bread float and hold up the cheese up so that it becomes nicely toasted under the broiler. Yum. Devon In a message dated 10/23/2009 11:40:34 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, tat...@tat-man.net writes: I have had authentic French cousine here in the states near our little town. The chef was trained in France for that purpose and set up her restaurant in a town just down from where I live. It was a big to-do! This was back in the 70s and 80s. She since has moved on and went back to France I believe. But I do recall her French onion soup and is as you describe, David. I did find these links to supposedly authentic French onion soup that might be similar and worth a try. The sound yummy and already I am drooling!! http://www.theheartofnewengland.com/food-FrenchOnionSoup.html http://www.recipezaar.com/Authentic-French-Onion-Soup-Courtesy-of-Julia-Chil d-356428 Enjoy! Mark, aka Tatman website: http://www.tat-man.net blog: http://tatmantats.wordpress.com etsy shop: http://tatman.etsy.com To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com.
Re: [lace-chat] Re: poodle skirts - moved from Lace
Tamara writes: > Poodle Skirt -- made of a full circle of felt and decorated with a > large felt poodle. <> Because it was cool! Gawd! You sound like my parents! I never had any cool stuff. Everyone else had cool stuff. **Check all of your email inboxes from anywhere on the web. Try the new Email Toolbar now! (http://toolbar.aol.com/mail/download.html?ncid=txtlnkusdown0027) To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com.
Re: [lace-chat] Deer: was: A Little Canadian Humor
I would think it would be hard enough to kill a deer with a bow at all, let alone to kill them in any particular order. How do they keep from impaling children and old people in an urban hunting zone? Devon In a message dated 3/1/2009 2:02:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, joybee...@comcast.net writes: where hunters are allowed an extra deer each, and have to shoot a deer without antlers before they are allowed to shoot at one with a good rack. (I got the impression that it's an official rule that an urban-zone hunter who takes a deer with small antlers is presumed to have mistaken it for a doe.) **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1218822736x1201267884/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com.
Re: [lace-chat] Re: store closings- check Snopes
In a message dated 11/26/2008 10:54:15 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A gift card limits the recipient to a particular place, which may or may not be to his/her taste. If you don't know what to get a person, best send a check; greenbacks can be spent *anywhere*. I agree entirely. A gift card is a gift to a specific store, not so much the recipient. I believe they also gave the statistic that 27% of gift cards are not redeemed. I don't consider cash crass, but another alternative, especially, say for other adults, is a Visa gift card which gives you a wide range of stores to spend it in. We bought some for the young people in the family and some of the administrative people at my husband's work who extended themselves to help him organize a recent conference. We bought them at our bank. Devon **Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom0002) To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] store closings- check Snopes
Well, I nearly had a thrombo at the thought of Talbots closing all stores. I would have to go around in a barrel if this happened. Who else carries Women's Petite sizes suitable for the short fat woman? Fortunately, it is not true. As Janet mentioned, Snopes gives a more accurate report at _http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/storeclosings.asp_ (http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/storeclosings.asp) Yes, Talbots is closing some stores, but not all. Very relieved, Devon **One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social networks, and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir=http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp %26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom0001) To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Something slightly different-recession strategy
<> Beautiful, but who are you going to sell them to? I understand that the first thing people cut down on in a recession is handmade greeting cards. An interesting question would be, is a recession good or bad for lacemaking. One of my correspondents thinks it is bad for lacemaking because people won't start expensive new hobbies, and lacemaking can cost a bit up front, always a problem. On the other hand, once you have the bobbins and pillows the cost of the thread is negligible. Books are expensive, but not essential. Some economists are saying that people will stay home more, not dining out or going to Operas, say. So, if they are at home more, they could make more lace. Lace provides hours of entertainment rather cheaply. In fact, actually, a book can provide many hours of entertainment for its cost, even if an expensive book. I probably already have enough books that if I were suddenly disabled and could do nothing but read for the rest of my life, I would never need to buy another book.. The Nov. 17th Times has an article proposing that people will be doing a lot of knitting during the down turn. _http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/11/17/knitting-through-a-downturn/?scp =1&sq=knitting&st=cse_ (http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/11/17/knitting-through-a-downturn/?scp=1&sq=knitting&st=cse) Of course, if people don't go to lace days and conventions in order to save money, then groups won't put them on anymore. One year of putting on a lace event no one goes to can kill the desire of anyone to put on such an event. Yet, in the family economy, a lace weekend for Mom is usually the thing that people feel can be dispensed with in favor of dentistry for the children. I hope it doesn't kill all the lace events. Devon noticing the malls are strangely empty in New Jersey **One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social networks, and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir=http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp %26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom0001) To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Missed messages
For some reason, all the messages from David Collyer go into my spam filter. I have no idea why. According to my computer, his messages are in my spam filter because they have been identified by AOL's advanced spam filters. Sometimes it seems that things have gone into spam because they have automatic signatures or something like that, but it is not the case with David. I have just gone through all 6 recent David Collyer messages and told the advanced AOL spam filter, "this is not spam", so we will see if it has any impact. So check your spam box. Devon **It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv000547) To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] European Telephone Calling Cards
For what its worth, my phone is one from AT&T wireless and they have been more than happy to sell me European compatible phones and to reap profit from international calls. If I did not put on the international package, my phone would simply not be able to call the US, so there is no need to threaten a loss of service by my provider if I try to call from Europe. I have found that when setting up the service, it is sometimes necessary to speak to different people at AT&T since some of them may hide their ignorance by denying that what you want is possible. Also, different descriptions of the billing by different persons is not unusual. Sometimes, too, there seems to be a prejudice on the part of the persons with whom you are speaking, to the effect that they think you are trying to "rip them off", rather than legitimately buy a service, and it may take some patience to get to someone sophisticated enough on their side to set up the service. Most of the people I spoke to at AT&T admitted they had never traveled outside the country, and never considered the question before, and were quick to tell me that my phone wouldn't work there, as though the conversation could be terminated with that bit of information. But, a long patient talk with them would bring out a supervisor or someone who handled overseas communication. . I never had any trouble with the rental phone acquired in the US and designed specifically to provide service for Americans traveling abroad. Maybe there is a reason why they run it through England, unlike the Italian rental phone. As for the phone cards, I don' t know. I have never had particularly good luck with them, myself, because, even if not fraudulent, you are trying to follow instructions on a foreign phone written in another language. Typically, I come home with virtually all my minutes on the card and it is then useless. Meanwhile, I have had to have the hotel place my calls which is especially expensive. I know we used to have a telephone calling card through our home phone which allowed you to call into a particular number and then place calls that way, but this is going back about 20 years. Good luck with the phone card, hopefully someone more clever than myself can give you the answer you seek. Devon **Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut000507) To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] European Telephone Calling Cards
When I travel now, I call the provider for my cell phone, which is compatible with European technology, and have them put on a "international package" for the duration of the visit. As I recall it was quite cheap, $5 or $10 dollars. The calls were more expensive, possibly $1.99/minute to the US, less within Europe. (Memory is poor for the exact details.) But actually, you don't tend to make many phone calls because you don't have to keep calling home to find out if something bad is happening, since they can call you when something bad is happening. Before I had this phone, when I rented a car overseas from Auto Europe, they offered cell phone rental as well. The rental of the phone itself was negligible, as I recall, practically a give away. The calls were priced similarly to the cost of calls that I am now able to make and receive on my own cell phone. The odd thing was that the phone was sent to you in the mail before you left, then you sent it back when you returned, and its pricing was conducted as though in England. So, if you were in Germany and calling with in Germany, it was priced as though you were calling England to Germany. At the time, I had investigated some other companies that provided cell phones for rent and they all operated as though out of England, and mailed the phone. My theory that you could rent a phone at the airport when you arrived in Europe did not pan out. There seemed to be no alternative to having it sent to you before the trip. This was a few years ago, of course. The advantages I see from renting a phone, or getting the international package, is that people in the US can call you easily. (In fact I received a phone call, while touring the Beguinage in Bruges from my hamster's veternarian, who was boarding her, to tell me that the hamster had developed "persistant head tilt" and that they had changed her medication.) Also, when you are circling a walled city with no idea how to find your hotel within the walled city, you can call the hotel and they can direct you. If you are traveling with other people, you can use it to meet up, after separating. I got the international package on my phone and my daughter's phone, which is actually one service plan, and then she was able to go off to flea markets while her father and I toured museums, knowing we would be able to contact each other. Don't know if any of this is helpful. Devon **Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut000507) To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Re: origin of a word
In a message dated 6/12/2008 9:27:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But "Palliative" is mostly followed by "Care" - > perhaps always so, although I'm always reluctant to use an absolute I don't know about Australia, but in this US you can be given a palliative to relieve your pain. My dictionary, The American College Dictionary, cites the noun form second and defines it as "something that palliates". My choice for a palliative might be the aperitive (or aperitif) that Tamara was referring to. But don't tell those primitives, my relatives, or their agent operatives since it is none of their business what I use for a restorative. Devon **Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg0005000102) To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Re: [lace] Admin P.S.
My impression is that everyone, or virtually everyone, who is on "lace-chat" is also on "lace". Many people are on lace who are not on lace-chat, but lace-chat is a subset of those on lace. So when there is an announcement of something important, an event, let's say, posting on "lace" will catch 100% of the people who need to know this bit of news and posting on both lists will not expose the message to more people. Would you say this is correct, Avital? Devon **Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg0005000102) To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Fwd: gas saving tips
For a full discussion of the post about the gas saving tips see the _www.snopes.com_ (http://www.snopes.com) urban legends site _http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/household/gastips.asp_ (http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/household/gastips.asp) where the message, which apparently fused with the message about which oil companies not to deal with in March 2008, is discussed. It would seem that trying to buy gas early in the morning is probably not going to save you anything much for your effort. Especially worthy of note is the treatment of the suggestion that you not fill up if the tanks are being refilled. My husband used to work for an oil company and was highly skeptical of all the advice, so I ran it through Snopes and his opinions were very much in accord with those in Snopes. Devon. **Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod000302) To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Re: speakers at convention
Actually, the knowledge that Lucie was going to speak, which I had received by informal channels was one of the major reasons I went to the Montreal convention. I was extremely eager to hear her speech. The majority of speeches and events at the convention are very good, and quite memorable. I recall there was at one convention a woman who dressed herself from the inside out in Elizabethan attire, explaining each garment, that was just fascinating. Many people missed this because it was not described in detail. I think the description was "fashion show" or something. Also, by the time people arrive at the convention and receive their materials, they are in a state of high excitement, seeing old friends, planning meals with them, etc, and only later realize that they have missed something that they would have enjoyed, if they had had the complete calendar in front of them months ahead of time. Devon **Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp0030002489 To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Re: [lace] convention classes
I think it is splendid that the website is being used to expand on the information for the convention, since the space issue in the Bulletin, had formerly, put us in the position of having to make a rather expensive decision based on a very short description of a class. Along the same lines, I would find it interesting, and possibly a tie-breaker when planning how to spend my discretionary money and time, to know who the speakers were going to be at Convention and what they were going to speak about. For some reason it seems to be traditional to never announce this. Similarly, the entertainment at the banquet seems to be something in the nature of a "national secret" or special surprise, whereas if people knew in advance what it was going to be, they could be anticipating it, studying up on it, and even deciding to attend the convention on the basis of it. Now that we have the internet, why not let people know about the speakers? I often find the speakers to be the most interesting part of the convention. Devon **Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp0030002489 To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] what kind of mattress do you like?
I am suffering from aches and pains and think that buying a new mattress might help. I need one oriented toward the aging body, and in my case, the "heavy sleeper" by which I mean not a deep sleeper but a sleeper who weighs a lot. My leg has been very sore and cramping due to other orthopedic/health issues and I think a new mattress might help. What mattresses do people like? One friend highly recommends the Tempurpedic, saying it has helped her and her husband, in their seventies and eighties to sleep very well. There is the sleep number bed, which seems a little gimmicky to me. There is the Hampton Inn bed which I have found very comfortable and which Hilton Hotels is kindly offering for sale. Then there is the alternative of going to the chain store Sleepy's where we bought my daughter a Simmons Beautyrest Shakespeare Collection mattress and box spring which seems quite comfortable, but I might treat myself to the next one up in the heirarchy, which seems to have an actual pillow/comforter attached to the top of it for added softness. Then there is the question of whether mattresses with "memory foam" are good or not. The friend with the Tempurpedic with memory foam recommends it. I am still grateful for all the cooking pot advice I received. My daughter is cooking up a storm and saving money by not eating out. Now she brings me cookies and cupcakes all the time. Devon in New Jersey **Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop000301) To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] cookware for daughter
Thanks to everyone for their sage advice! Devon ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] cookware for daughter
Fellow spiders, Many years ago I abandoned my original dime store set of cookware and bought a 1 qt, a three quart and a double boiler of Revereware. It was stainless steel clad and I am inclined to think it wasn't copper that was in the middle of the cladding, but possibly something else. They were sort of middle of the line, but received good consumer reports. The number seems to be 89A and it was made in Korea. These are great pots with very heavy bottoms and easy to take care of exteriors. I was hoping to buy something similar for my daughter who is getting her own apartment. But it would appear that Revereware has been bought by Corning and they are selling sets that all have glass tops, which seems to me like an unnecessarily fragile way to cover a pot. For a casserole and frying pan I use Le Creuset, cast iron, enamel, since I have never been a big fan of teflon type cookware, although I hear they have changed a lot since my last experience with them. We are debating whether a girl with a third floor walk up should be burdened with such a heavy casserole pot and fryign pan, though. I was wondering what others on the list have found to be good quality cookware at a medium price available now. The fact that so much of it seems to be sold as 10 piece sets is rather off-putting when you think you may not like about half the items, so it would be nice to buy it in single pans. Any thoughts? Devon ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Re: IOLI Membership Message/e-mail list
Tamara is correct that older members will undoubtedly rise from the grave to renew in August, having learned the hard way that failing to read the August issue, cover to cover, will result in a nagging feeling in October that something is missing. Most of the people on arachne probably fall into this category. Personally, I really would like to make things as easy as possible on Laurie, but I am a little concerned that we will lose newer members. Over the years, I have had the experience several times where people joined and then after a year or two said to me, "They just stopped coming, but I never got a renewal notice." People in the US are trained to expect to receive postcards in the mail to tell them when things are expiring. My preference, for the group at large, as long as I am not doing the work :-), would be for a brightly colored postcard to arrive in the mail and sit among the bills where it will be processed with the "things to be done". The magazine itself tends to migrate to the living room or bedroom for leisure time reading and does not reside with the "things to be done". My concern is that we are currently at a very low membership. I used to license photos for a bulletin to be sent to 1634 people. Now I seem to be licensing them for 1320. I also find myself busy and forgetful, so that it becomes increasingly the case that only those items that are banging me over the head get done. As it so happens, there are a lot of other organizations banging me over the head with ever greater effectiveness and I imagine this is the case with new members who are not so intimately bound to the IOLI. (There are, for instance, three bird watching organizations that write us weekly to beg us to rejoin.) My preference would be for it to be as hard as possible to fall off the IOLI membership rolls through inattention. Singing renewal telegrams, perhaps? (I suppose I will have to do the singing for Northern New Jersey, now :-).) As usual, the volunteer duties expected of volunteers at the IOLI far exceed the amount of time most people have excess to the requirements of living. We all owe Laurie a big thank you for taking on this task. I know Laurie is working very, very hard, already. Of late, she has been personally trying to straighten out a membership gone astray of one of my friends, with admirable fortitude and even the skills of a detective. She is a superb membership chairman, and we are very lucky to have her. The idea of a helper for Laurie sounds like a good one to me, as it is really unreasonable to ask her to take on any more work. It is already a miracle that we can get anyone to volunteer for these jobs, without making them harder. Is there any way that computerization could be used to send postcards? I know that postcards represent an added expense, but as the membership declines, the expense of producing each individual bulletin goes up, since the rule in the printing world is that the more you print, the less each one costs. Also, the more members we have, the greater the volunteer pool to help run the organization, so as not to kill the volunteers we already have. Devon ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] lap pillow .... Not
Hi Alice, Actually, when I took Venetian needlelace with Irma Osterman, she suggested we use a Dritz tailor's ham to attach the pattern to and as a working surface. Personally, my tastes run to beautiful and elaborate equipment, and it seemed a little common place to me. But it did work and I didn't have to make a needlelace pillow, which was fine with me. Whether this use actually converted a Dritz pressing ham to a lace pillow, I don't know. It certainly didn't convert it to a bobbin lace pillow, though. Perhaps someone should notify Dritz that it is a multi-use ham and they could arrange an advertising campaign around that idea. Devon ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Re: [lace] Lace Guild Convention - Bowes Museum
I am quite interested to hear that there is a collection of a lace at the Bowes Museum that is called the Blackborne collection. The Metropolitan Museum of Art in New York also has a collection of lace called the Blackborne Collection. The catalogue of the auction at which it was bought said that the collecton was made by Arthur Blackborne and his father starting in about 1850. I think there may have been more than one "Blackborne Collection" in that I have seen pieces and references to it that don't seem to relate to our collection. I am consumed with curiosity about whether some of the pieces in thie Bowes collection may relate to the pieces in the collection here in New York. Would it be too much to hope that there will be a publication or a generous photography policy? Devon To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Perception of Katrina
In a message dated 9/11/2005 10:09:31 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This, coupled with an interview I saw with the head of the Red Cross, bothered me -- when asked directly how much of the donations they receive go directly to assist the victims, he sidestepped the question, and merely said they don't have enough funds to accomplish what needs to be done. That I can believe -- BUT? One reason for this waffling may have to do with the fact that the money the Red Cross raises now may actually be used to replenish their supplies of blankets, meals ready to eat, etc. so that they can be ready for the next emergency. The meals that people in New Orleans ate during this emergency were bought with money from a former emergency. They don't explain this for the obvious reason that it is easier for people to be moved to send money by scenes of suffering and devastation that actually exist than to prepare for an specified disaster yet to happen. Devon To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Katrina-unbelievable
Far be it from me to defend the US in the face of this disaster. I too, am appalled. But, in defense of the soldiers, police, rescue workers and paramedics who said it was not their job to remove bodies, I think they are correct. I would imagine that after a body has been lying in water and in the hot Louisiana sun for a week, removing it is something that should only be attempted by people in special protective clothing, equipped with a supply of body bags and appropriate transport and who know where and if a temporary morgue has been set up. It might also be desirable to keep some records about where the body was found in order to help in identification. At the time of 9/11 NY City had one forensic anthropologist who worked part time. Very quickly she became the boss of a department of a hundred and thirty forensic anthropologists who arrived in teams from all over the country and stayed for months as they tried to identify the 2000 plus victims from their body parts in a large temporary trailer that was set up outside the Morgue in New York. The Morgue in New York is already a rather large and formidable multi-story building with no other purpose than the storage and identification of bodies. Even New York, which was left relatively intact was hard pressed to handle such a large number of bodies at one time. I would imagine that it takes some time to gear up for this, although fortunately they think that the original estimate of 10,000 was high. Alexis de Tocqueville, not withstanding, processing thousands of dead bodies in an advanced state of decay is not really a "do it yourself" project. The decision to rescue living people before recovering bodies is not one that I disagree with. It is unfortunate that the slow initial response, plagued by bureaucratic confusion, has resulted in the rescue part of the operation lasting so long delaying the body recovery. Devon To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] sewing machine for artist daughter
We want to buy a sewing machine for my daughter to take to college which she will have to transport between her studio and her room fairly frequently. I own a Lady Kenmore sewing machine from the 1960s with cams ( a dreadful technology that never worked well) and the daughter bought herself a Singer machine from the 1950s at a garage sale, but both of these are very heavy and it is impossible to carry them around. We have been investigating the Singer Featherweight which is very light, but yesterday, we saw another Singer machine, which calls itself Quantum Decor which is a machine that is on sale reduced in price from almost twice the price of the Featherweight to about the same amount. It is heavier, but she thinks she could transport it. It has more stitches and a larger amount of space under the arm to manipulate fabric. One issue is whether a machine that is heavier and originally more expensive might be a better constructed machine. The daughter likes to get clothes at flea markets and alter them. She has also been taking plush stuffed animals and taking them apart and resewing them to be plush taxidermy mutants. This she mostly does by hand, though. She is taking puppet making in college this year and has some plan to construct costumes to put on "human" puppets. It is hard to say with certainty what features of the sewing machine will prove to be important since she is beginning to say things like, "I don't want to limit myself". Has anybody bought a Singer machine lately? Are they still any good? Does anyone have any experience with the Featherweight or the other lower cost machines? What about plastic machines generally? It seems to be fairly impossible in this part of the country to get anyone at a store to spend much time demonstrating a sewing machine. Devon To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Photo archive boxes
I can't help you with sources in England, but Talas, which has a wide selection of archival things at pretty good prices, in my opinion, does international shipping. _http://www.talasonline.com_ (http://www.talasonline.com) Devon in New Jersey, although Talas is in New York To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Re: [lace] Lenka/foreign currency
In a message dated 6/17/2005 4:23:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: DH and I had to really think hard of what we had bought to get to that sum, as we did not have time to buy anything in the duty free shops in London due to being delayed from France by the go-slow with the security guys. For years I was counting the money spent on books in Europe in my total until I realized that the form says that you don't have to include books, postcards or educational materials. After excluding printed material there wasn't much left. Devon To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Re: credit cards and banks
Another reason for having more than one credit card is that the card company has a tendency to panic when it sees charges from different countries on the same day and then it quietly, without making any attempt to inform you, stops accepting the charges. This often happens while you are on vacation when you need your credit card the most. Once I bought a book over the internet from a British book dealer and the credit card company refused to honor the charge because of its profound feeling that I should spend money only in New Jersey. Now I always call first to tell them if I am traveling out of my usual realm, however, even a trip from New Jersey to Boston can result in credit company panic. And then there was the memorable time that my husband began a new job with a 6 week stay in a hotel in Texas. Although the company was going to pay the hotel directly, the hotel took an imprint of my husband's card and apparently put through "holds" every week on the card for the amount of the hotel bill accruing. Then one day he tried to use the card and it was rejected because it had exceeded our credit limit, although no charges were put through, only holds. Unaware of this practice he called me and accused me of spending unprecedented amounts of money in his absence, a bum rap, in this case. Devon To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] re: tax freedom Day
Alberta sounds like a bargain. Devon To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Tax Freedom Day in Canada
My condolences! Is the cost of the socialized medicine rolled into the taxes? I wonder what our tax freedom day would be if what we spend on medical insurance was calculated into the figure. Devon To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Tax Freedom Day-New Jersey
They calculate Tax Freedom day in the US, too, by state. Last year New Jersey was April 19. But in the year 2000, it was May 12. Devon To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Modern Art/The Campaign for Modern Lace
My husband's engineering school boasts Alexander Calder the maker of the whimisical mobiles among their alumnae. Add him to the pantheon of engineer artists. <> But some people would say that is art because it is a statement about art and the human condition. I wonder if you have to be intending to make art to make art? Right now Christo is putting the finishing touches on The Gates in Central Park and if I can shake this loathesome illness I seem to have, I would like to go there and have my picture taken wearing modern lace jewelry with the Gates in the background! Devon To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Charles and Camilla/Dukes of Norfolk
The marriage of Charles and Camilla was not a total surprise to me since my friend who loves the British royals had already told me that the Duke of Norfolk had been negotiating how it might happen. "Why would the country's foremost Catholic family be involved in these negotiations," I asked. But it seems that the Duke of Norfolk is in charge of coronations for some reason. Of course the Dukes of Norfolk have been weaving in an out of the marital concerns of the British Royal Family for a long time, providing wives for Henry the VIII, trying to marry Mary Queen of Scots, etc. Does anyone have any thoughts to offer this American about why the Dukes of Norfolk seem to play such a central role in Royal marriages? Devon interested to hear about any research leads since I think my friend would like to write a book about this family To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Modern Art
I was rather amused by the incidents that Jean and Jacquie describe in which engineers make art. Is there some principle that says that engineers can't make art? It is generally agreed that one of the things that separate humans from animals is that they make art. If cave people could make art, why not engineers? After all, as my husband, the engineer points out, he designs things for a living. The metal sculpture is very attractive as Jacquie points out. However, I find the creation of the Engineering department that Jean describes even more fascinating from a conceptual standpoint since it is actually a work that explores the nature of art. It would benefit from an artists' statement though. "Members of an engineering department apply paint randomly to a board in an ironic commentary on contemporary art" perhaps. Devon To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Charles and Camilla
Actually, I think the problem may be that Camilla's first husband is alive. After all, that was the Duke of Windsor's problem. I thought it was clever of Charles a few years ago when he went about saying that the Church of England came into existence because of a divorce, Henry VIII's. Devon To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Bungalow (2)
In a message dated 2/2/2005 11:36:06 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Maybe, but if Philippa Gregory's books about John Tradescant are reasonably accurate, the early settlers were given large plots and were quite a distance from their neighbours - and the liking for spaciousness sticks through generations? I took a class which covered a 17th century English settlement in New England. The first generation built their houses all together in rows along a street with the fields surrounding and divided among the people. By the second generation the people had moved out to the fields. Devon To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Bungalow (2)
In a message dated 2/2/2005 4:42:18 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The sad thing is that because we're so short of housing in the UK (some of the causes are single people buying homes and staying single, one parent families and people living longer and therefore not freeing up homes), more homes have to be crammed on to less and less space, and land previously considered unsuitable for housing is being used. I am finding this thread very interesting. One complaint that is often made about the US is that it is being transformed by "urban sprawl". In the suburban area that I live in, there were once distinct little towns, but now most of the open space is filled with housing developments. Urban planners tell us that the system in Britain which, I guess, calls for open land between the towns and strictly regulates where housing can be built is much better. Modern urban planners in the US feel that we should have smaller houses, closer together that will allow us to walk or use pubic transportation to get to shopping. Instead of each house having its own yard, people should enjoy public parks. (A corollary might be that we shouldn't all be buying houses that are big enough to hold lace classes, but instead the community should hold lace classes in public places.) I lived in a community developed in the early 20th century that actually conformed to many of these ideals and my observation was that people moved away as soon as they could. Americans seem to want lots of living space, land for children to play on, distance from their neighbors and lots of big powerful appliances. (I love my washer and dryer and I have two really big refrigerators.) Of course we all deplore urban sprawl and mourn the loss of quaint farms that used to be where the housing developments are. So, like others, I rejected the older, but more correctly designed community and took off for a town that exemplifies urban sprawl. The phenomenon that I observe now in my suburban town which has excellent schools is that people will buy two adjacent houses built in the 1950's and then tear them down and erect one larger home on the two lots. The houses of the 1950's which many of our parents bought with great delight in the post war building boom are now not terribly desirable because the new ideal is to have at least one bathroom for every bedroom and a one car garage doesn't cut it anymore. Three car garages are not uncommon. Now, typically both spouses and probably any teenagers work and thus need cars because we all live so far away from work and public transportation because our houses take up so much space. Of course we have put a lot of money into our highways to get us places faster. I know people will now write to say that my area of New Jersey is highly atypical of the US. But I like to think it displays the American psyche at its most excessive which can be very illuminating. Devon To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] snow for X-mas
In a message dated 12/23/2004 3:11:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Just what is it about everybody wanting snow for Christmas? :) It's horrible stuff. It's cold, it makes travel difficult and sometimes dangerous, it has to be shovelled which is strenuous. Let us not forget the potential for snowing in unpleasant relatives. Relatives who one can barely tolerate for Christmas dinner can become unwelcome overnight guests during one of those pretty snow storms. Devon To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] German Christmas tree connection?
>From Amish Country News, which is not necessarily a scholarly site: It is claimed that the first known written mention of a Christmas tree in America is found in the 1821 diary of Matthew Zahn, a Lancastrian! Undoubtedly, the Christmas tree tradition was brought to America by the German settlers, and trees were fairly common by the 1820’s. It may very well be that Lancaster is the home of the Christmas tree in America! However, from the Library of Congress site: 1821 - The Germanic custom of having a specially decorated tree at Christmas time was introduced to America by Pennsylvania Dutch in Lancaster, Pennsylvania. Later in the century, the Pennsylvania Dutch version of St. Nicholas, Sinterklaas, evolved into America's Santa Claus, popularized by a German immigrant and influential political cartoonist, Thomas Nast. The Easter bunny and Easter eggs were also brought to this country by German immigrants. To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Christmas-German immigration
>From the Library of Congress website 1790 - By this date as many as 100,000 Germans may have immigrated to America; they and their descendants made up an estimated 8.6 percent of the population of the United States; in Pennsylvania they accounted for 33 percent of the population; in Maryland for 12 percent. Many of them were religious objectors, ie Mennonites, Amish offered refuge by William Penn. Devon To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Re: US Christmas "of old"?
In a message dated 11/24/2004 11:05:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But they didn't do their own plowing and dung-clearing, did they? Younger sons they might have been, but they still had some standards of what was fitting for their "station in life" and what wasn't, and back-breaking labour wasn't "it"... Nor was getting involved in trade. They got in America what they couldn't get in England (because of primogeniture laws) and that's *land*. That doesn't mean they tilled *vast* acres, in their silks and high heels, totally unaided by their acres themselves, or even knew how to. The labour was provided by the courts, a lot of the time. <> Colony life changes quickly. Dafoe is correct that there were convicts being transported to the New World. When they couldn't transport them here anymore, they had to transport them to Australia. But I was speaking of the first group of men to arrive in Jamestown. They were adventurers and the fact that they were totally unsuited to doing manual labor was the major problem. I was made to read John Smith's account of the settlement in college. At the time it struck me that it was sort of like sending a college Fraternity off to bring riches back from the New World. However, refreshing my memory with the aid of the encyclopedia, it says, "They came to America mostly to search for treasure and also to spread Christianity among the Indians. Few of the men were able or willing to do manual labor or to raises farm products that could not be grown in England." "Captain John Smith held the group together when he took control from mid 1608 to mid 1609. He forced the adventurers to stop searching for gold and silver and to start working for their survival, and he bought corn from the Indians." So, Captain John Smith finds himself on a foreign shore with a bunch of young men bent on finding gold and silver, which actually was the original plan. The concept of doing backbreaking farm work was never the intention. The adventure was sold on the basis of "get rich quick." However, situations change, and he now discovers that no one is going to survive unless he forces a bunch of aristocrats to do back breaking farm labor. As I recall, he had to do it at the butt of a gun and even then they weren't much good at it. I guess this information is too late for you to use to redeem your husband with your mother. But I think that there is room to hope that he might be descended from English aristocracy who were so useless at manual labor that they couldn't keep themselves alive. However, not all that many of the original settlers in Jamestown survived long enough to have children, for obvious reasons. His ancestors may have been from the hardier agriculturalists, yeoman farmers, that were brought in on subsequent trips when the sad realization that it was to be an agricultural colony set in. I have no idea what they did on Christmas in Jamestown. But my guess is that after the inital settlement, the transplanted artistocracy were the trend setters in these things, and most of them had no quarrel with England. Devon To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Re: US Christmas "of old"?
In a message dated 11/24/2004 8:35:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Being dumped here as criminals (early Virginia) My impression is that the settlers in Jamestown were the younger sons of the aristocracy who had to seek their fortunes due to the English law of primogentiture. I don't think New York is an example of religious persecution. My understanding is that New Amsterdam was always a commercial venture settled by the Dutch West India Company. This is why, then and now, people bow down to Mammon in New York. Devon To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] US Christmas "of old"-repressed memory
Modern psychology no doubt has the answer to why I had in my previous reply completely blocked memories of the colonial Christmas traditions of the area I grew up in, just outside New York. New York was a Dutch Colony and it followed Dutch traditions. When I was a child, my father was the vice-president of the Tappan Zee Historical Society and for some years ran their annual Saint Nicholas Day celebration, wherein St. Nicholas arrived on a horse, with Black Peter, spoke about Dutch Christmas traditions and told a few Dutch stories. Traditionally, bad children received coal in their shoes and good children received candy. All this took place at the Historical Society's little museum, a 17th century Dutch house with bayonet marks in the rafters from some stay by revolutionary war soldiers. How well I recall my father on the phone hiring a horse for the Bishop (St. Nicholas was a Bishop) to ride in on. What a wonderful idea that was to me, to pick up the phone and hire a horse. Why didn't we do it more often. My mother when called upon to bake gingerbread to go with the mulled cider for the celebration substituted "mix" gingerbread for the traditional recipe and swore no one could tell the difference. (I think they just chose not to call her on it.) And I... I was in charge of putting the candy in the children's shoes that they had left outside while they were listening to the stories. How would my life have been different if I had not spent my childhood completely immersed in the culture of the Tappan Zee Historical Society and in fact, found myself "behind the scenes" in a museum setting even before graduating from elementary school? Devon To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] US Christmas "of old"?
I went to a Colonial Christmas presentation once in which, if memory serves, they said it was actually illegal to celebrate Christmas in Puritan New England. It was all the wassail and Yule logs, etc. that the Puritans objected to. Christmas in the Virginia settlements was reputed to be much merrier, no doubt including lots of "Punch". Devon grappling with the difficult holiday decision, do I stack the lace books in the living room neatly and vacumn around them, or should I temporarily relocate them to another room. We may have to buy more bookshelves for Christmas. To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] digital cameras-vis slide shows
As some people know, I recently did a slide show at Ithaca. When I began to prepare for the show, my initial thought was that I should go digital. Then I looked at the price of a digital projector, the cheapest about $1000 and thought again. I didn't want to rent a projector, also not cheap. I figured I needed to practice with the equipment and that the day of the talk was not a good day to learn about digital projectors. My camera guru at the camera shop also pointed out to me that most digital projectors only project an image of about 2300x 2300 pixels and that if my projected image were going to be large, ie. 3 or 4 feet, it would be badly pixelated. He seemed to feel that the kind of resolution required for close up lace photography would not be possible with this pixelation, which incidentally is about the maximum I get on the "super high quality" setting of my camera. "You may never switch to digital", he said. And he is a graduate of the photography department of the Rochester Institute of Technology. I know for a fact that on the super high quality setting of my camera the image is rarely clear enough to be printed at the size of 8" x 10" which caused me to think he might be right. As a result, I ended up buying an expensive new lense for my SLR and spending a small fortune processing slides at exactly the same moment in our history when slide processing went from a day long process to one taking 2 weeks, due to lack of demand and the closure of the Kodak slide processing center in Fairlawn, NJ. The expensive custom lab that I found during this hair raising process asked me curiously why I was using slides since apparently his entire clientele, such as it is, is artists making slides of their work. Have others tried to do digital slide shows and were the dire predictions of my camera guru correct? Devon To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Re: New IOLI Bulletin
In a message dated 10/6/2004 8:01:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: but giggled through most of the (unconventional) Convention report :) I think this may be the first time the toxic effect of combining alcohol and lace collecting has been addressed in print. Remember readers, you won't get such sensationalism in any other lace magazine! Devon hoping increased circulation will lead to more pages for wordy writers To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] New IOLI Bulletin
In a message dated 10/4/2004 8:32:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Haven't had the time to do more than leaf through the issue, so won't spoil everyone else's pleasure, by revealing any more secrets. This gag order on discussion of the IOLI Bulletin has certainly spoiled my pleasure. I used to get the occasional day-brightening pat on the back when it came out. Yesterday, a friend called me to discuss an article appearing in the newspaper. Far from finding that it spoiled my pleasure in reading the newspaper, I found the article twice as enjoyable for being able to discuss it with a friend. Perhaps those people who find a publication ruined by discussion of it could refrain from reading e-mails titled New IOLI Bulletin and those of us who enjoy discussing publications and expressing gratitude to those who put them out could discuss it with wild abandon. Good Work, Debra! Lovely issue. Thank you for putting so much time and effort into it. I think the additional eight pages is a positive development. I am sorry I sent you the background of the cover in bit-map format. I see you surmounted that obstacle heroically. Tamara, nice Windrose 2. The color reproduction of it on the inside back cover is breathtaking, and how do you think of these intricate thread paths? What a nice Goldfinch/Distlefink on the cover. The design process of the Little Point de Gaze fan described by Paula Harten is very informative. There is a photograph of Arachne member Alice Howell at the exhibit she put on in Oregon. Good work, Alice. Oregon is the richer for your efforts and now I know what you look like. Good heavens, Christine and David Springett's antique bobbin collection is going to be sold at auction. l better book my ticket to London... Devon To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] American Convention
Similarly, I did not hear Ruth Budge say the things that it sounds as though someone has said she said. I think I was paying as close attention as anyone, since I was quite enthusiastic about having the opportunity to meet Liz Barlett, having traveled through England using her Lace Villages as a guide. I did have the opportunity to meet Liz at the Convention and was quite thrilled. I am incredulous and intriqued to hear that Americans are sufficiently interested and aware to be trying to cause trouble between people on other continents. It flies in the face of the principle that Americans are so insular that they are pretty much unaware of what is going on across the oceans. Frankly, I spent a lot of time talking to people at the convention and at no time did I hear anyone wasting their breaths blackening the reputations of people who were so far away :-) But, who knows, perhaps we are becoming more cosmopolitan than I thought. I prefer to think it was a misunderstanding. Devon To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Capsicum/Arthritis
In a message dated 7/22/2004 6:17:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But neither knew of any connection between the salts and the lack of pain. And it keeps DH from nagging me to take it. Mercifully, I don't suffer from this, yet. However, I seem to recall someone my parents knew who had arthritis being treated with gold salts. I wonder if there is a salt connection. Devon To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] IOLI Bulletin-contents
I haven't finished reading the Bulletin yet. It seems to be taking longer to read these days as Debra packs it full of meaty articles. Hooray for Debra! (I think I will dive into the Pamela Nottingham article on the evening train ride today...something to look forward to.) I was quite enthralled to see on p.20 a picture of the machine used to make knotted filet. This is surely a journalistic break-through! I had always heard that knotted filet could only be made by hand. Many thanks to Marie-Jo Quinault for bringing this information to light. Devon To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Genealogy
I have actually joined the New York Biographical and Genealogical Society to use their resources, most particularly the on-line New York Times dating to 1853, to try to trace famous American lace collections. The lace collections tend to travel in the female line. Often these collections have been donated to museums, but the name of the donor is totally different than the name of the collector. Since I am researching through marriage announcements and birth announcements, etc. in other families than my own, my daughter considers me a "stalker". I really think this concept of tackling the "tradition" of lace makers migrating from the continent to England through genealogy is very interesting. Esther uses the example of France. Of course, the tradition of Flemish migration to Honiton is one that one often reads about. Yallop supposedly put this theory to rest with an examination of church records in which he claims that names that sound Flemish were already in the church records before the supposed Flemish migration. On the other hand, I think that people were very much more mobile in the past than is generally understood and there could have been immigration feeding back and forth over a long period. After all, no one disputes the story of Colbert luring the Flemish and Italian lacemakers to France while their native countries passed threatening laws to outlaw it. There has been some research regarding flemish Tapestry weavers and their migration focused on individuals. It would certainly be interesting for someone who likes genealogy to try to do the same for a sample or samples of lace makers. Devon To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Bastardy Order - was Sisters
In a message dated 7/5/2004 9:37:25 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: but now having found the proof that John Bowles was not his biological father I had to chop off the longest branch of the tree, and now I'm looking for my Roots! Good one, Brenda! It is interesting to me that while John Bowles may have been a wonderful person who gave a home to little George, his name and probably a great deal of affection, his background is something of a non-starter in genealogy. Genealogy seems to be a science where one is looking for biological relatives, not legal relatives. Of course, given the imperfect nature of the paternity process you describe, George Root may not actually have been the father either. Our former president Clinton, whose autobiography has just been published, took the name of his mother's second husband out of feelings of family solidarity. Meanwhile, after he was president, it was discovered that his biological father had been named as the father on the birth certificate of another child, possibly Clinton's biological half brother. On the other hand, it was explained that the father of the other child might actually have been a married man, and that Clinton's father, then a single man, might have admitted paternity (falsely) to save the reputation/marriage of another relative. This was apparently common at the time in that area, although it seemed strange to me, given the not unsubstantial financial obligations that go with admitting paternity. But maybe that was different then, too. They say that even now, about 10% of children born within a marriage are not biologically the husband's. Won't it be interesting when the day comes and one can have one's DNA tested in a way that will reveal who one's actual ancestors are? Devon To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] lace collar on ebay
I think I am enough of a lace expert to say, without fear of contradiction, that this is definitely not "chutney." Devon To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Estonia
I visited the website of the place in Estonia that Pene directed us to. It is a house originally belonging to the Piip family, returned to them after the last half century of communist rule during which time it was state owned. What an interesting story. Pene, do you and your husband speak Estonian? What work is he planning to do there? Will he enter politics? Will you run the house as a guest house or use it only as a private residence? Devon To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] customs (lace-chat)
In a message dated 6/3/2004 4:01:13 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think there is a whole education programme that needs to be undertaken there by nations who tip! You pay people decent wages, you don't rely on them begging, because that's what it is, really. I'm not the biggest proponent of the tipping culture, but I think that American Restauranteurs make the argument that the customer receives better service in a tipping situation. In the US the pay structure for waiters and waitresses assumes 15% tipping. In fact, since tips are often in cash and easily hidden, I believe the government taxes waiters as though they have received 15% tips on all their tables. So, when you fail to leave a tip you are not only depriving the staff of their gratuity, but they have to pay tax as though you had left a gratuity. I have to say that this makes you very disinclined not to leave a tip even when the service is poor because you don't necessarily hate the waiter so much that you want to pick his pocket, but some people do. People who like to entertain and want their guests to have a good time tip lavishly, go to the restaurants where they are known for tipping lavishly, and always get excellent service there, from what I understand. I don't think I would characterize it as begging, because some people are excellent waiters and make very good tips and some people are very indifferent waiters and get poor tips. When I had a young child with me I often found the waiter had to spend more than the ordinary amount of time with us, cleaning up spills, etc. Most of them were very pleasant and accomodating and got very good tips as a result. Devon To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Re: Egg shells
I would assume that people who know elaborate codes for frustrating witches who might use egg shells to go to sea and sink ships have not wasted a lot of their brain power learning the arcane rules regarding sanitation and microbes. Would they be offended by having egg shells littering the landscape? I thought refuse all over the ground was part of the charm of pre-19th century life. Devon To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Re: [lace] Lace in the V & A book/Vienna
My colleague Gunnel Teitel was kind enough to give to me an article from The Artist of April 1901 about the Vienna Kunst Gewerbe Schule (Arts and Crafts School). At first headed by a man named Hofrath Storck, the students designed patterns which were not modern. "..they avoided copying the French and Belgian patterns, turning to Italian as affording more change in treatment; and they had a particular liking for Venetian relief forms, and occupied much of their time in copying the Renaissance style." Hrdlicka succeeded Storck as head of the school and his wife Mathilde Hrdlicka and Fraulein Hotmanniger composed designs for the "new school". These were the very distinctive art nouveau type designs in the book that Tamara is referring to. I believe I saw some of the Venetian Gros Point in the basement display of the school's work at the Kunst Gewerbe Museum in Vienna. I have often wondered if the beautiful piece of 19th century three-dimensionally petaled Gros Point on display in the Met's 19th cent. Decorative Arts Gallery wasn't made there. (But I have never met another person who shared my belief.) Devon To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] map of netherlands
I don't think this is actually the answer to your question, but I have been planning a trip to Belgium and it seems that the equivalent of our map quest is www.mappy.com Devon To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] button box search
I called around to the thrift shops yesterday. One thrift shop proprietor said, "we used to get things like that 10 years ago, but no more." I asked my husband whether he thought that meant people didn't keep button boxes and he said he thought that when someone died or went into a nursing home the button box was thrown out as worthless rather than being taken to a thrift shop. In addition to the telephone survey I actually visited about 3 thrift shops yesterday and didn't find any buttons or button boxes although two of them had areas with sewing and craft items. It made me very sad to see someone's stash of cloth and patterns there in the thrift shop. I shipped out the entire contents of my button box to my daughter. I noticed that there was a pink fabric covered button from an Easter coat I had as a child and white shirt buttons on a card that my mother undoubtedly brought from Iowa when she came to New York in the late 1940's. Many of my adult aquisitions seemed to fall into the rhinestone and jewelled category since I spent some time making elaborate Halloween costumes of princesses and such. Also there seemed to be quite a few buttons that looked like animal eyes from toys I made for my daughter and some duck and rabbit shaped buttons from outfits I knitted her when she was young. I thought you could really tell a lot about a person from their button collection, sort of a portrait in buttons. When I got home from the thrift shop tour, though, there was a message from my daugther on the phone and she was saying she wanted 20 buttons from each Area Code. So this seems to be a different kind of art work than what I would have done with the buttons. This is probably just as well. My contacts with friends who I knew to have button boxes had revealed to me that they were very protective of their buttons, willing to part with some, but not all. I had been thinking about the concept of the "edited button box" with sentimental and monetarily valuble buttons removed and whether that would yield a real portrait of a person on buttons. Fortunately she is going for something else. I was beginning to feel like I was asking people to give me their souls when I asked for their button boxes. And yet of course, once you are dead, it would seem that your buttons are worthless! Devon PS I suspect that the "valuble" buttons are mother of pearl and such, but I have never studied the issue. To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Button Boxes
Does anyone keep a button box anymore? My daughter called yesterday from college and asked me to send her my button box. She found a button box in a thrift shop in Vermont, where the college is, and has decided to do a project for her Mixed Media Class in which she constructs trees made out of buttons. Each tree will be composed of buttons from a single button box and will be labeled with the geographical area where the box was found. She wants me to drive around to thrift stores looking for button boxes and noting down where they were found.Needless to say, my daughter doesn't want to go to a store and buy new buttons, because that will not be as colorful as the mixture of styles and fashions that a true button box contains. I am not at all sure that I will find button boxes in thrift shops here in New Jersey. In fact, I find myself wondering if people keep button boxes anymore. I have an excellent box containing buttons going back to my mother's button box, probably cut off clothing in the 1950's and 1960's. But, the premise that one will go to the button box and find a suitable button to replace a missing one has never panned out. Usually, after a futile search of the button box, I go to the sewing store and buy new buttons. Of course the extras are added to the box, expanding the wealth of buttons from every era. But I don't think my button box is really serving any practical purpose. It is sort of a sentimental thing. Any suggestions about how I could find genuine button boxes easily and in a short time frame would be appreciated. Also, anyone who has a selection of buttons they would like to contribute to art, please contact me. Devon To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Re: Crewel World
My copy of Framed in Lace cost $5.99 US. It is a small paperback. How much is Amazon asking for this little book? I am not willing to give up my copy, but while a pleasant read, they aren't necessarily something that people want on their bookshelves forever. Maybe some kind of trade could be arranged among people. It can be very hard for people in the US to buy things from abroad. I once spent $35 for a check in Sterling to buy the $5 guide to lace collections in the UK. So a $5 book cost me $40. I think this presents an opportunity for friendly exchange. Devon To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Re: plague/was ewwww
Yes, I saw this program as well. I really should not have mentioned "urban legend" in regard to the plague survivor/AIDs resistant connection, because it is based on solid scientific evidence, or at least so it appeared in this program. The village of Eyam realized that they had been infected by plague as a result of some infected clothing that had arrived from London, or some such thing. Rather atruistically, they cut themselves off from the rest of the area, having a neighboring village leave food at some place outside the village for them. After plague had gone through the entire village and killed the majority of the population, those who survived were, per se, the survivors. Some had been ill and recovered. Some had not gotten the plague at all, even though they nursed family members who had it. They then married and had children, all of which appeared in the church records. A scientist tracked down some people in the village who were the descendents of the survivors and examined them. It appeared that many of them had a gene or two genes with mutations (defects- mind you, not superiorities) that somehow made it hard for the plague virus to latch on to the cells. Somehow they were able to tell that people who had two defective genes didn't get the plague or AIDs at all. People with one defective gene would get the plague or AIDS but would not be killed by it. Apparently, in them, the disease could latch on, but progressed slowly enough that the person's immunilogical defenses could defeat it. Excuse my non-scientific explanation of this. I am sure I haven't really stated the study very well, or the disease mechanism. But I found it fascinating, partially because we too have a genetic problem in the family that I am hoping we will someday see a solution to. The study was intended to discover why some people don't get AIDS or live with it for many years and why this is not true for others. The purpose of the scientist was to discover why this was so in the hope that the benefit might be extended to everyone. It was not intended to denigrate any groups. Devon To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] plague/was ewwww
Interestingly too, there seems to be some indication that those people whose ancestors were among the survivors in a plague hit country have less likelihood of contracting AIDs. Or perhaps that is another Urban Legend. In any case, I am not putting it to the test. Devon To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Dalai Lama's PERSONALITY TEST
I am not very familiar with the teachings of the Dalai Lama and I don't claim to "get" eastern philosophy. So, perhaps someone could enlighten me as to whether this sort of thing is typical of the Dalai Lama. Devon To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] IOLI Bulletin-my husband
Although I have not received my Bulletin yet, I have received so many comments on my husband's appearence in it that I am beginning to wonder if Debra has put him in the centerfold. Some people have asked me how I induced him to pose. Let me remind you that my husband's contributions to lace journalism, though not on a par with Aurelia's or Debra's, go back some years. He was the winner and only entrant in the contest to name the newsletter of the Metro Chapter of the IOL. Of the dozen or so entries he submitted the one that was selected and still adorns the masthead was "The Pinhole Press". He was the foil in my account of our trip to the Island of Lace, Burano. He appears in a yet unpublished article about the Isabella Stewart Gardiner museum as "driver and photographer". Although it will probably not result in an article, he was my chauffer and pillow bearer recently when I was asked to go into New York City and set up a lace pillow for a production of Spanish surrealist Frederico Garcia Lorca's play, Dona Rosita. Fortunately for me, he is not only a "saint" as my friends say, but he seems to enjoy eccentric little lace adventures. Devon who is planning to drag the poor man off to the Pier Show this weekend to survey the lace dealer's wares To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Ghost at Hampton Court :-)
Since many are skeptical as to the actual existence of ghosts, I had no idea that the science of ghost behavior was so well-known. Whether a ghost would walk through a wall or open a fire door might depend on the mood of the ghost at the moment, mighten it? I am not sure that I feel that a ghost would not open a door that hadn't existed during its life time. Don't ghosts sometimes frequent buildings built in the same location of other buildings they once frequented? The question of whether ghosts can learn to operate a panic bar is one I have never seen addressed, but I am not a student of paranormal psychology. Perhaps if a ghost were haunting someone and saw them use the panic bar, the ghost could pick up the knack from that. We have a squirrel feeder. If one squirrel figures out the feeder the others all copy what he is doing. That Australian tourists saw such a figure in the costume in question certainly provides a non-supernatural explanation for the apparition. However, the fact that the costume is one more likely to be associated with Christopher Wren is confusing. Does Hampton Court typically host events where people dress up like Christopher Wren? Does the inappropriateness of the era of the costume again throw us into the supernatural explanation. And what is the supernatural explanation of why Christopher Wren would haunt Hampton Court? Did he forget his slide rule there? I was happy to see the Hampton Court phenomenom prompted a review of other notable hauntings of the place, included among them that of my distant relative Catherine Howard. Her cousin Ann Bolyn is a well-known haunter as well. I always like to take any opportunity to remind people that in my family our ability to make you miserable doesn't necessarily end with death. Devon To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Found this and thought it would make you laugh
I'd say the fire department in Austin, is doing very well if it can arrive at the homes of people who use the terms "rubbish" and "petrol" within 5 minutes. Devon confined to her New Jersey home by the expected arrival of Pres. Bush at a fundraiser less than a mile away. To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Christmas on the Cheap
My cousin has come up with a cheap but I hope, desirable gift idea. I mentioned to him at one point that I had been reading my mother's diary that she kept in 1936 when she was in high school. It is quite a delightful account of movies and parties attended, and teenage concerns during the 30's. It also describes the activities of her sisters and parents. Now that generation is all gone, except for one member whose memory is ureliable. He decided he would like to have a photocopy of the diary and give copies to his sisters for Christmas. Devon To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Bush's visit
Presidential visits are nothing to cheer about even here. It cost my tiny town $20,000 in security just to have a president travel through it on his way from the airport to a fundraiser in another town. During the period he was here all the roads leading between him and the hospital had to be kept completely clear leaving me to wonder what would happen if I had to go to the hospital. When the President comes to New York the traffic snarl is unbearable, but they don't actually close the city. As for riding in open coaches, this has not been a popular presidential activity since JFK rode in an open car in Dallas. Devon To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Re: Hurricane
It has been quiet. I guess everyone is moving their lace to higher ground! Seriously, I spoke to my co-volunteer at the museum- decided not to brave it tomorrow. She was actually moving things out of her ground level lace room because she lives right on the ocean and they had been predicting storm tides, as well as a possible loss of electricity on Long Island lasting in the vicinity of 48 hours. Devon To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] :-) Hope this doesn't offend anyone
Perhaps our regional experts including Tamara and Betty Ann could comment on whether the author of this piece doesn't go a little too far when he implies that members of a red neck church wouldn't know the difference between being raptured and being ruptured. I think this is more likely a mistake that would occur in a mainstream church in the Northeast of the US. But I'm no expert on them either. Devon To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
