Re: Legacy 800

[M.W.Foscue]

Hello Dharma,

Sorry to hear that you are planning to sell your  Mill (vs using it - and 
continuing to read our posts).
In addition to you posting photos of the Mill and any/all accessories you may 
have - please let us know where the Mill is located.  That, in most cases will 
be helpful info for folks considering it; Tim Z excepted - he'll drive ANYWHERE 
to get a Mill if it is one he wants. LoL! 
(Rumor has it he drove to Patagonia (Yes - THAT Patagonia) to pick up a Mill!  
Musta been "Special"!)

Mac
-Original Message-
From: 
Sent: Jul 13, 2021 5:21 PM
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: Legacy 800

Hi folks,I've been on here for a couple years but haven't posted.  I enjoy 
seeing people's projects.  I'm considering selling my 800 model mill as I 
haven't been using it.  I'm wondering if there is interest here?  It's in 
excellent condition.  I also have a design kit and rotary table that I would 
consider selling separately.   I'll work on posting pictures.
Dharma

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Re: New project completed

[M.W.Foscue]

Bill,

WOW - VERY interesting video you sent - Thanks!  I liked the UFO method of 
pruning the "bushes". (Need to be LOTS taller for me to call them a tree.  
LoL!!)

Tim,
Yes - I agree.  Appears we are "talking apples & oranges" here.   Cherry 
tree raised to be a fruit bearer seems to be MUCH different than the one 
harvested for its lumber.

Thanks guys.
Mac
-Original Message-
From: 
Sent: Jul 12, 2021 4:00 PM
To: 
Subject: Re: New project completed

Yeah your appear to be more like a shrubbery type fruit bearer. Ours at least 
the ones I've seen have had 8" boards for sure but 4-6 more common. But for 
sure much bigger then your fruit bearers. Interesting little video though 
thanks for sharing that

On Mon, Jul 12, 2021, 2:46 PM  wrote:
This is the only way I have ever seen cherry trees in Australia ,see the video 
in this https://www.abc.net.au/gardening/factsheets/the-cherry-on-top/10395594 
what you guys have must be a lot bigger type of tree grown for the wood not the 
fruit.
 
Bill
 
From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Tuesday, 13 July 2021 4:27 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New project completed

 
Looks like the updated version of my book. 
Lots of useful info in there and looks like it has been updated several times, 
since I bought it. 


Kind Regards,
 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell




 


 
On Mon, Jul 12, 2021 at 1:10 PM  wrote:

There is this https://www.wood-database.com/ I found
It had this https://www.wood-database.com/?s=cherry
 
Bill
 
 
 
From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of bulke...@mmnet.com.au
Sent: Tuesday, 13 July 2021 4:04 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: New project completed


 
Thank you tim any cherry trees here are small and in orchards they harvest its 
fruit never the wood
 
Bill
 
From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Tuesday, 13 July 2021 1:09 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New project completed

 
 
On Mon, Jul 12, 2021, 9:37 AM  wrote:

Can someone please post a pic of a cherry tree that the wood is harvested from 
so I can see what they are like. No stupid stuff like a coke can please I 
genuinely want to see what the tree looks like to see if we have them here 
anywhere
 
Bill
 
From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Monday, 12 July 2021 11:29 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New project completed

 
lol I like Mountain Dew and my cherrys fresh from the store. stems, pits and 
all. 
Cherry pop has never been a favorite of mine.  Though Cherry 7up maybe. 


Kind Regards,
 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell




 


 
On Mon, Jul 12, 2021 at 7:24 AM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 wrote:

Cherry Coke! ;-p  I like that Mac. 

 

Thanks.

C.A.G.

 


On Sunday, July 11, 2021, 11:12:20 PM EDT,  wrote: 

 

 

I have tasted that so I guess I do know a little lol
 
Bill
 
From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of M.W.Foscue
Sent: Monday, 12 July 2021 11:49 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: RE: New project completed

 
Bill,
Cherry is really good in a Coke (flavor) they make. 
Now you know a little more about cherry.LoL!
Mac

-Original Message-
From: 
Sent: Jul 11, 2021 8:33 PM
To: 
Subject: RE: New project completed

 
Would slower rpm help? I don’t know anything about cherry
 
Bill
 
From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Monday, 12 July 2021 10:28 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New project completed

 
Very nice work. Yes cherry is a whole different animal. Sheer and back angle 
are important. Cherry has a pretty high resin content. Feed rate and chip load 
will also aid in this. I'll be honest the feed rate we run out legacy are a bit 
slow for our bits in cherry. Also our bits are not specie specific. When I 
worked at woodcraft industries as Tool tech, we ground specific for species and 
also had different hook angles to work with. But in our shops we have to work 
with what's out there. None the less this was a cool project and has my wheels 
turning. Keep up the great work. 
 

Kind regards Tim


 
On Sun, Jul 11, 2021, 4:12 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 wrote:

Hello Everyone.

 

this is a project that I did for a gentleman who I've been doing side jobs for, 
For a number of years.

 

The spindles are 14 7/8" tall,  1 1/2" dia. with a 4" pitch. Both right and 
left handed pitches.  The wood is Cherry,

I learned a lot

Re: New project completed

[M.W.Foscue]

Joe,

Thanks for the info - will have to look into downloading it.

Sort of ironic - having input on the topic from a guy with last name "Green 
leaf".  LoL!!

Do you live up in Maine? (Alagash)

Thanks again for your input - I don't recall seeing any posts from you prior to 
this one.
Please continue with the "participation".
Mac
-Original Message-
From: 
Sent: Jul 12, 2021 10:52 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 

Subject: Re: New project completed

I have an app on my iPhone (probably Android too). You take a picture with the 
app and it will tell you what kind of tree (or plant) it is. Take a picture of 
the bark, leaves, needles or even the rings. Free for 7 days, then $29.99 a 
year. Well worth it in my experience. Picture-This. Only drawback I have found 
is you have to be connected to cell service or WiFi when using it. No going out 
into the Alagash Forest to timber cruise. 
 
Joe Greenleaf 

 
Get Outlook for iOS

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 on behalf of bulke...@mmnet.com.au 

Sent: Monday, July 12, 2021 10:37:32 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 

Subject: RE: New project completed 

Can someone please post a pic of a cherry tree that the wood is harvested from 
so I can see what they are like. No stupid stuff like a coke can please I 
genuinely want to see what the tree looks like to see if we have them here 
anywhere
 
Bill
 
From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Monday, 12 July 2021 11:29 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New project completed


lol I like Mountain Dew and my cherrys fresh from the store. stems, pits and 
all. 
Cherry pop has never been a favorite of mine.  Though Cherry 7up maybe. 


Kind Regards,


Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330



320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell








On Mon, Jul 12, 2021 at 7:24 AM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 wrote:

Cherry Coke! ;-p  I like that Mac. 

 

Thanks.

C.A.G.

 


On Sunday, July 11, 2021, 11:12:20 PM EDT,  wrote: 

 

 

I have tasted that so I guess I do know a little lol
 
Bill
 
From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of M.W.Foscue
Sent: Monday, 12 July 2021 11:49 AM
To:  legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: RE: New project completed

 
Bill,
Cherry is really good in a Coke (flavor) they make. 
Now you know a little more about cherry.LoL!
Mac

-Original Message-
From: 
Sent: Jul 11, 2021 8:33 PM
To: 
Subject: RE: New project completed

 
Would slower rpm help? I don’t know anything about cherry
 
Bill
 
From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Monday, 12 July 2021 10:28 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New project completed

 
Very nice work. Yes cherry is a whole different animal. Sheer and back angle 
are important. Cherry has a pretty high resin content. Feed rate and chip load 
will also aid in this. I'll be honest the feed rate we run out legacy are a bit 
slow for our bits in cherry. Also our bits are not specie specific. When I 
worked at woodcraft industries as Tool tech, we ground specific for species and 
also had different hook angles to work with. But in our shops we have to work 
with what's out there. None the less this was a cool project and has my wheels 
turning. Keep up the great work. 
 

Kind regards Tim


 
On Sun, Jul 11, 2021, 4:12 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 wrote:

Hello Everyone.

 

this is a project that I did for a gentleman who I've been doing side jobs for, 
For a number of years.

 

The spindles are 14 7/8" tall,  1 1/2" dia. with a 4" pitch. Both right and 
left handed pitches.  The wood is Cherry,

I learned a lot on this project. (or re-learned things I though I already 
knew.)  Cherry burns easily. and when cutting across the grain, you not only 
need to keep a keen (sharp) edge, but the profile angle of the router bit must 
also be keep clean in order to stop burning. (Thanks Mike. helping me on this 
one.) 

When I cut the ropes I got a lot of burning,  no matter if I took light cuts or 
not, My problem ended up being pitch on the profile of the router bit, (I keep 
the cutting edge honed and sharp, but it didn't help much.) 

While sanding the burn marks out, the sanding changed the look of the roping 
slightly.  Something that add Charterer to the project, (I hope?)  "Any-How " 
since the ship and the lights are the focus points, my mess-ups don't look so 
bad? (but that just me talking, Mr. G. liked them, So I guess I did a good 
enough job on this, to get me by?)

The spindle's have a 1 1/8" tenon cut on the ends, they are glued and pined 
into place on the end boards. 

 

If you have any questions or comments on this, Please let me know.

 

Have a good 

Re: RE: New project completed

[M.W.Foscue]

Bill,
Cherry is really good in a Coke (flavor) they make. 
Now you know a little more about cherry.LoL!
Mac
-Original Message-
From: 
Sent: Jul 11, 2021 8:33 PM
To: 
Subject: RE: New project completed

Would slower rpm help? I don’t know anything about cherry
 
Bill
 
From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Monday, 12 July 2021 10:28 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New project completed


Very nice work. Yes cherry is a whole different animal. Sheer and back angle 
are important. Cherry has a pretty high resin content. Feed rate and chip load 
will also aid in this. I'll be honest the feed rate we run out legacy are a bit 
slow for our bits in cherry. Also our bits are not specie specific. When I 
worked at woodcraft industries as Tool tech, we ground specific for species and 
also had different hook angles to work with. But in our shops we have to work 
with what's out there. None the less this was a cool project and has my wheels 
turning. Keep up the great work. 


Kind regards Tim



On Sun, Jul 11, 2021, 4:12 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 wrote:

Hello Everyone.

 

this is a project that I did for a gentleman who I've been doing side jobs for, 
For a number of years.

 

The spindles are 14 7/8" tall,  1 1/2" dia. with a 4" pitch. Both right and 
left handed pitches.  The wood is Cherry,

I learned a lot on this project. (or re-learned things I though I already 
knew.)  Cherry burns easily. and when cutting across the grain, you not only 
need to keep a keen (sharp) edge, but the profile angle of the router bit must 
also be keep clean in order to stop burning. (Thanks Mike. helping me on this 
one.) 

When I cut the ropes I got a lot of burning,  no matter if I took light cuts or 
not, My problem ended up being pitch on the profile of the router bit, (I keep 
the cutting edge honed and sharp, but it didn't help much.) 

While sanding the burn marks out, the sanding changed the look of the roping 
slightly.  Something that add Charterer to the project, (I hope?)  "Any-How " 
since the ship and the lights are the focus points, my mess-ups don't look so 
bad? (but that just me talking, Mr. G. liked them, So I guess I did a good 
enough job on this, to get me by?)

The spindle's have a 1 1/8" tenon cut on the ends, they are glued and pined 
into place on the end boards. 

 

If you have any questions or comments on this, Please let me know.

 

Have a good day/ weekend everyone.

 

C.A.G.

 

 

 



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Re: the cold

[M.W.Foscue]

Bill,

That's only ~ 25°F. 
Heck, that's probably what Tim Z. keeps his thermostat set to in his home in 
the middle of their winter.
And that's  W-A-R-M when they come in from outside!  LoL!!

Write Tim back when you see -40°C/F (they are the same at that temp.).  

Thanks for the nice photo.  Looks like you don't have to put up with neighbors 
being "too close" - so when you run machines in the shop (or even outdoors) you 
don't have to worry about disturbing them.

That piece sticking out over the water in the pond at the far left - is that a 
diving board?  Or a sewer outfall pipe?

By the way - your photo helped me to cool down a bit - as it has been quite 
warm here - hitting high 80's and low 90's (°F) over the past ~10 days 
along the East coast.

Mac

-Original Message-
From: 
Sent: Jul 9, 2021 9:07 PM
To: 
Subject: the cold

Just cant bring my self to go out in my un heated shop yet,
Here is a pic 2 hours ago from my front gate looking at my house in the 
distance still frost on the ground -4C this morning br I know nothing like 
you guys get but to my old aussi bones it cold.
 
Bill


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Re: RE: Legacy 1200 for sale

[M.W.Foscue]

Agree. 

I noticed that too - but felt I'd already pointed out enuf to make the point 
that it is WAY overpriced; unless Tim K, Curtis, or Bill chime in that it was a 
"one off"/original prototype autographed by Andy Anderson, The Rolling Stones, 
and Charlton Heston - therefore a RARE Collector's piece worth the $2K!    LoL!


Mac

-Original Message-
From: 
Sent: Jul 3, 2021 6:44 AM
To: 
Subject: Re: RE: Legacy 1200 for sale



Also it does not look long enough to be a 1200 either


Kind Regards,


Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330


320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell




On Sat, Jul 3, 2021 at 2:02 AM M.W.Foscue  wrote:


Bill,




I completely agree.  Person posting it has not done a good job.  WAY TOO MANY 
unanswered questions:

How many Drive Gears? (Only one?)

Any router bits?

Owner's Manual?

Additional Gear Sets?  (.25, 2X, Reversing - Left and/or Right?)

Drive Dogs?

Vises? (Horiz. & Vert.?)

etc., etc., etc.




And I don't feel their photography helped them any.  Looking at all she has 
posted to FB Marketplace, it's obvious she has NO CLUE as to what she has when 
it comes to this Mill; much less what it can be expected to fetch on FBM of 
CraigsList/eBay! 

Looks to be a very early model of the Legacy Mill - as its legs are steel - vs 
aluminum.

Currently overpriced - by at least $600 - unless there's more included in the 
listing - that we don't see/know about.




We are Celebrating our Independence Day (4th) here in the USA this weekend.




Have a wonderful Weekend - Down Under!




Mac

-Original Message-
From: 
Sent: Jul 3, 2021 2:46 AM
To: 
Subject: RE: Legacy 1200 for sale




I cant see any gears and only a rotary table if all get is all you can see

Its worth more like 2 or 3 hundred dollars  dismantle and sell off for parts

Searching everywhere for all the rest of the mills parts would be a nightmare I 
think just my opinion. As I will always keep saying the more accessories and 
parts a mill has makes it more expensive.

 

Bill

 

 

From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 

Sent: Saturday, 3 July 2021 2:51 PM
To: Legacy ornamental mills 
Subject: Legacy 1200 for sale




Hello Everyone, Just saw this on Facebook Market place.

 

C.A.G.

 

 

 

 

 

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/4129302250481858/?ref=search&referral_code=marketplace_search&referral_story_type=post&tracking=browse_serp%3Aaaed1329-c370-45e5-bdba-e65c01f16070


Legacy ornamental 1200 wood working mill

$2,000




Home Goods


 

 › 




Christmas Decor


 

Listed a week ago in Glenview, IL


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Re: Who is going to be the first to try these on there Legacy?

[M.W.Foscue]

Aw - Come on Curtis!  $75?  Heck - you and Joe B. Need to be putting down the 
$150 - for the


Morphing Fractal™ Jaws for Titan Vise. 
Like Bill and Joe B. would say:  "Go BIG - or Go Home!"  LoL!
Thanks for the detailed info you posted - sounds like it will be a while (over 
52 weeks?) before we see these for sale.
I'll wager that Tim Z. will be the first in The Group to get one! Bill would be 
second - except Steve probably won't ship them Down Under - or if he will, it 
will probably be cheaper to buy it a discounted airline seat than to send it to 
Bill via USPS or FedEx!
Mac

-Original Message-
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To: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 

Subject: Re: Who is going to be the first to try these on there Legacy?





>From the web site.
https://www.engravingvises.com/fractal-vise.htm 



It look like $75.00 will hold a placemark on one. the price is not yet set.  We 
will have to wait to see what the price will be...? 
C.A.G.

PalmControl Vise with Morphing Fractal Jaws

-Note from Steve-

I have been on and off these Morphing Fractal jaws now for six years.   There 
have been various versions.   These photos are the most current.   There was an 
old (early 1900s) milling machine vise with similar jaws. The patent pending 
improvements with the new design will provide help for use of it with engraving 
vises and other vises.

The large version with 16 fingers fits the 90lbs Titan vise.   The 8 finger 
version will fit the 30lb Goliath, Low Profile Turntable vise and 12lb 
PalmControl vises. 

It will be a while yet before I have time to start production in quantities.   
However if you would like one you can order by placing a down payment.   The 
final price of them has not been determined.   You will be contacted when yours 
is ready if you make a down payment.  At that time we will know the price and 
you may pay the remaining balance or you may cancel and have your down payment 
returned.  Or if at any time you become tired while waiting you may cancel to 
have your down payment returned. 
Morphing Fractal™ Jaws for Goliath or PalmControl Vise - down payment $75  
 Morphing Fractal™ Jaws for Titan Vise  - down payment $150 
~ PLEASE NOTE ~ This is only a down payment on your order for the jaws. It is 
not the final price.   This is a new product and production has not begun.  It 
will be a wait (this wait is unknown how long) before the jaws are completed 
and ready.  When they are ready, the time in making and materials will be known 
and the final price can be determined then.

~ Frequently Asked Questions ~

Question: How much do they cost?
Answer: Price is not known yet. Production has not started and therefore not 
enough of them have been made to know what the cost will be.  You pre-order 
with a down payment toward the purchase, and be placed in line.  See above.

Question: When will one be ready for me?
Answer: It will be a while yet before production in quantities begins.

Question: I have another old brand or model of vise.  Will this work on it? 
Answer: If the vise has a pivot pin hole on the top center of the jaw then it 
should work.   The desired hole is 3/8" or 5/16".   If it is another size we 
can make a custom adapter pin for your vise.  
 

Vises home page link









On Thursday, July 1, 2021, 12:38:34 AM EDT, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental 
Mills  wrote:






Hello Everyone.
Nice find Mike. Awesome video, Wow! what  machine. there is a lot of little 
details that were used in making this. 
I'm sure the price will be higher due to all the Craftsmanship needed to make 
this.  
My normal statement of, I will buy that for a BUCK, May be adjusted slightly? 
Perhaps two or three Bucks will be needed ?  ;-p


Pretty Darn Cool !  Thanks Mike. and everyone.


Have a good night.


C.A.G.


On Thursday, July 1, 2021, 12:27:29 AM EDT, M.W.Foscue  
wrote:





Mike,

Thanks.  Like Tim - I have never seen one of those vises.

Very ingenious device - especially given that it might be as old as "Down Under 
Bill"! LoL!

In fact, he's such a resourceful guy - maybe he built the first one!  🤠

Mac

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To: 
Subject: Re: Who is going to be the first to try these on there Legacy?



Wow, and I had never saw one in my life. I'll have to ask my brother who's a 
machinist if he'd ever saw them. 
pretty cool and thanks for sharing.

Kind Regards,


Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330


320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell


On Wed, Jun 30, 2021 at 6:44 PM Okla Mike (Liltwisted)  
wrote:

Look at a video I found if you are interested in the guts and age of this vise 
style.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBeOgGt_oWU


Mike OK

On 6/27/2021 10:06 AM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills wrote:
Hello Everyone, these tools are Awesome! 
The

Re: Who is going to be the first to try these on there Legacy?

[M.W.Foscue]

Mike,


Thanks.  Like Tim - I have never seen one of those vises.

Very ingenious device - especially given that it might be as old as "Down Under 
Bill"! LoL!

In fact, he's such a resourceful guy - maybe he built the first one!  🤠


Mac

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From: 
Sent: Jun 30, 2021 10:51 PM
To: 
Subject: Re: Who is going to be the first to try these on there Legacy?



Wow, and I had never saw one in my life. I'll have to ask my brother who's a 
machinist if he'd ever saw them. 
pretty cool and thanks for sharing.

Kind Regards,


Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330


320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell




On Wed, Jun 30, 2021 at 6:44 PM Okla Mike (Liltwisted)  
wrote:


Look at a video I found if you are interested in the guts and age of this vise 
style.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBeOgGt_oWU


Mike OK


On 6/27/2021 10:06 AM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills wrote:

Hello Everyone, these tools are Awesome! 
They could be a very big help of holding and working with odd shaped objects, 
These might open up a hole new world of Legacy projects?


Watch these You Tube videos for your self, them lets hear what you think.




C.A.G.






https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tvnizh0XPOA&t=22s 



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Tfzp19wxs0

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Soap, Ballot, Jury and Ammo.
Please use in that order.

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Re: smile

[M.W.Foscue]

😃

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Subject: Re: smile



😉

Kind Regards,


Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
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Foreston MN 56330


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On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 3:34 AM  wrote:


Ok to whom I am about to offend I am truly sorry but to all the rest of the 
group its been a bit slow so I hope this brings a smile

 

Bill




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Re: Who is going to be the first to try these on there Legacy?

[M.W.Foscue]

In case anyone wants to check them out further or read more about the vises, I found their home page.
They appear to be made by a guy named Steve Lindsay.
Here's the link:

 Engraving Vise 

Enjoy.
Mac


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I suppose that if you cut a slot in the taper and
inserted a tab standing 1/16" proud, that would allow you the
ability to turn without slip.
Mike OK

On 6/27/2021 10:06 AM, 'Curt George'
  via Legacy Ornamental Mills wrote:


  
  
Hello Everyone, these tools
  are Awesome! 
They could be a very big help
  of holding and working with odd shaped objects, These might
  open up a hole new world of Legacy projects?


Watch these You Tube videos
  for your self, them lets hear what you think.




C.A.G.






https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tvnizh0XPOA&t=22s 



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Tfzp19wxs0

  
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Re: The Sound Of Silence & Roping

[M.W.Foscue]

Joe,
Wow!  Very nice.
Thanks.  That picture says a lot - vs describing it.
Mac



-Original Message-
From: 'finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental Mills legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Sent: Jun 8, 2021 12:49 PM
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The Sound Of Silence & Roping
  have done a lot of roping over the years, whether it be a flute or a reed... originally started with the cutter at top/center position, but that required a good amount of sanding... especially when doing a twisted reed... the plunge cutting, round over bit was not a well designed bit as the end of the bit was so small in diameter, and then that narrow point  was divided into two, that the point was cutting the wood very poorly.. it was practically burning its way through the cut at the tip of the bit... but cutting from the side with a different designed bit solved that problem... hence why Magnate came out with those extra long, side cutting router bits... for straight cutting flutes or reeds, they are excellent... but for spiral work, it is best to angle the router to suit the angle of the spiral pitch... especially when using the reeding bit... this is impossible on a Legacy without some modification of the router, but the results are much better, in my opinion... the profile of the bit is exactly what the cut will be when doing it this way... Joe B.On Tuesday, June 8, 2021 at 9:57:32 AM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:Yes template work is where the revo holds its own Bill From: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Tim ZieglerSent: Tuesday, 8 June 2021 11:42 PMTo: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: The Sound Of Silence & Roping Yeah I'll have to put my template follower  back on to try that. Kind Regards, Timothy J. ZieglerZiegler WoodWork & Specialty14171 160th Ave.Foreston MN 56330 320-294-5798 shop320-630-2243 cell  On Tue, Jun 8, 2021 at 8:36 AM  wrote:Thanks curt.I forgot to mention template turning, on the legacy without mods template work is all done from the side Bill From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills  Sent: Tuesday, 8 June 2021 11:07 PMTo: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: The Sound Of Silence & Roping Hello and Good morning. Nice Video Bill.Tim I have roped form the side on a few small turnings. the methods are very much the same as roping on the top.  with one BIG difference, the Y axis controls your depth of cut, when using a template, this is an Awesome method of turning. (even on a  tapper)As far as stabilizing the turning to stop vibration, The thin stock support brackets were made to do that, But???there are other ways to get the job done. There are a number of factors that all need to be looked at, direction of the cut, is something that is over  looked a lot when cutting. (before we go off topic to far. I think I will stop with this.) The way you cut on the wood will effect the quality of what you are making, being it Roping or just turning. Its something to think about. talk more latter. Have a good day. C.A.G.  On Tuesday, June 8, 2021, 06:46:02 AM EDT, Tim Ziegler  wrote:   Ok Guys so I've been doing most everything from top. What advantages are you seeing doing it from the side? I'd see needing the same supports but am I wrong? Curt, I'm going to post those posts I made heresoon in a separate post and would like to see if we get some feed back from others too but for now tell me more about milling from the side? By the way I have an 80/20 rep coming out tomorrow to see what they all have to offer. lolKind Regards, Timothy J. ZieglerZiegler WoodWork & Specialty14171 160th Ave.Foreston MN 56330 320-294-5798 shop320-630-2243 cell  On Tue, Jun 8, 2021 at 2:31 AM  wrote:I pretty much do all my rope this way eather from the side or down from the top as in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Kr5VFFwsAs&ab_channel=WATOPWATOP Bill From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills  Sent: Tuesday, 8 June 2021 2:18 PMTo: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: The Sound Of Silence & Roping Thanks guys. Bill I too have Tinnitus, as well as  High Frequency Nerve damage to my hearing. (for me the noise NEVER Stops. Just something that I have learned to live with.)But with this song, the silence  is not... ;-P Can either of you offer another method on Roping that you like to use? I have another method that I like to use, that I did not state earlier. but others in the group may not like this method, mainly due to it uses jigs that I made my self, that could be a bit tricky to explain and even harder to get people  to make them for them self's.Sorta like the Wave attachment. Its very cool, And a lot of fun to use, but most just don't want it. for some reason or another ? 

Re: Lisa’s LOM

[M.W.Foscue]

Lisa,I have the Circular "graphing" paper that comes in the Design Kit.I am currently out of town for the next several days.When I return home, I can try to scan it and send the scan to you.If I am unable to get a good scan (or one of the correct size) I can mail you a sheet.Mac-Original Message-
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To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Lisa’s LOM

Yeah, well i mean i have a large format 36” printer :)On Sat, May 29, 2021 at 8:51 PM  wrote:Do you have a A3 printer they are quite large  BillFrom: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of DarkdragonSent: Sunday, 30 May 2021 9:32 AMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Lisa’s LOM Does anyone have a scan of the circular template pad papers so I can print them out? I think that's the only piece from the design kit that wasn't included and I think it will also be my most used piece of the kit :)




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Re: new member

[M.W.Foscue]

Lisa,Wow!  VERY nice!  Thanks for sharing.I bet the Jolly Green Giant will place an order for you to make him one like that on you new LOM.You may be in luck.  One of the LOM "Wizards" (Gurus), lives in OK.  "Oklahoma Mike" Pung  (That's a link to his website.)Check him out.Mac-Original Message-
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Thanks Mac. I'm in NE Oklahoma.  I'll attach a pic of the latest pen I turned and ornamental turned and hand carved, I tend to go overboard when I have an idea, just ask my husband. Haha.On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 1:12 PM M.W.Foscue <mwfos...@earthlink.net> wrote:Hello Lisa,Like others have already said - Welcome.Just in case there are Group members within a reasonable "link up" distance - where do you live?No need for address - closest town/city should be good enough.Sounds like you are an "ace" pen turner.  Now, with your new Mill, you will be able to make one for the Jolly Green Giant!Have a respectful & SAFE Memorial Day Weekend.Mac-Original Message-
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To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
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Thanks everyone!  I already know I'll be addicted to it, I did one project on my Pen Wizard and loved the result so much that when the LOM popped up for sale, which I had never heard of before, I said "that looks like a gigantic version of my pen wizard. i must have it!".  So here I am :)   I will be trying to figure out what is there/missing/needed in the next week or so and start a thread about what do I have and what do I need.  It's all very exciting. Thank you all for the warm welcome, I can see there's unending knowledge on these machines here.LisaOn Thu, May 27, 2021 at 5:49 AM Tim Ziegler <timjzieg...@gmail.com> wrote:Welcome Lisa,Soon you'll be like the rest of us. Cant get enough of the Legacy. lolEnjoy and like I said welcome.Kind Regards,Timothy J. ZieglerOn Wed, May 26, 2021 at 10:58 PM Lisa <darkdragon1...@gmail.com> wrote:Hi Everyone.I was one of those new members waiting to join. I just got my mill from a local woodworker that needed to clear the space for something else.  I am super excited to learn how to use this beast, but one little issue is that it came with VHS tape and I have no way to play those anymore.  Is there somewhere to get a DVD of all the instructional videos? I did some searching but didn't find what I was after, just some promo videos from long ago.Attaching a photo of my new-to-me setup.On Tuesday, May 25, 2021 at 11:03:47 PM UTC-5 Curt George wrote:
Hi Joe.No problems... ;-)How are you doing? Its been a while since we last heard form you. I hope all is well?Hope to hear form you more soon. C.A.G.





On Tuesday, May 25, 2021, 08:59:31 AM EDT, 'finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> wrote:



Curt, I never implied that you were sent the request directly... I did not know you were an administrator of this group... thanks for following up on this, as I see that Robert has now posted his problem and is officially a member of the group... hopefully we will hear good things from him... and thanks for the work of administrating the groups page... it's all good stuff here... regards... Joe BiunnoOn Tuesday, May 25, 2021 at 12:20:25 AM UTC-4 Curt George wrote:
Hello EveryoneI was not SENT a notice of any request. There were three people requesting access to the group.I am sorry for anyone who was keep waiting. To those of you who I just granted access to, you still need to post at least two posting before the system knows who you are. I or Tim must grant access to any new member's so please be patient if your posting do not show up on the web page or e-mail as fast as you like  . Again I am sorry for any inconveniences, Google no longer supports Groups, I guess this is one of those things.I will try to keep a better look out for the web page/requests.Have  a good night.C.A.G.





On Monday, May 24, 2021, 11:07:40 AM EDT,  <bulk...@mmnet.com.au> wrote:



Hi JoeI forward this email to Tim K for you   Bill From: 'finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> Sent: Monday, 24 May 2021 11:06 PMTo: Legacy Ornamental Mills <legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com>Subject: new member  to the administrator of the group, I recently had a Robert Thomas Weaver reach out to me asking for some help with his Legacy 1200, with the CNC upgrade... I could not help him and suggeste

RE: Legacy adjustable glide system

[M.W.Foscue]

Bill,Can you explain?  It seemed to move so smoothly - as if it were on ball bearings.  If anyone has a close-up of what it looked like, someone may be able to figure out how it was made - modifying the design to, hopefully, get one that works and can replace the black top hats.Thanks.Mac-Original Message-
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I hate to burst your bubble those ball bearing glides have no ball bearings its just a slide used in conjunction with the already existing top hats to try and minimise movement in the saddle Bill From: 'finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental Mills  Sent: Thursday, 27 May 2021 11:27 PMTo: Legacy Ornamental Mills Subject: Re: Legacy adjustable glide system my interest in this is to see if this is an easy, inexpensive way for all those people who have the older, aluminum rail Legacy machines to add a ball bearing glide to their X and Y axis'... it's too late for me, as I have already retrofitted all three axis' on my machine with a different system, but I still find it interesting how Legacy solved this issue so easily and what seems to be so efficiently... their engineering into their earlier machines is impressive, in my opinion... regards... Joe B.On Thursday, May 27, 2021 at 8:58:01 AM UTC-4 Curt George wrote:Hey Joe.that adjustable glide system sorta fell away shortly after this video was made. Legacy went with linear rail shortly after...  I also know the R&P idea also had a few problems of gears striping out , and the hole R&P idea was latter replaced with what Legacy uses today.I'm not putting Legacy down, The CNC world is a very fast past, and growing field. Legacy has had a number of different methods and machines made in order to keep up (and some would say, Pass or Proceed) what you can find on the market today. (its all a matter of your prospective.)As far as what Legacy has for parts? My guess is Yes, but I would call Legacy to make sure. My Reasoning is twofold. One. They (Legacy) are making most of there machines and part in shop on there laser's them self's. Two. Legacy has always stated that they would replace any wearable parts form there machine that they made. C.A.G. On Thursday, May 27, 2021, 08:32:59 AM EDT, 'finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental Mills  wrote:   in viewing the Legacy video that Bill posted(thanks Bill!), it seems Legacy had what they called an "adjustable glide", which I interpret as a linear ball bearing rail glide... I don't remember ever hearing about this when the group's discussions revolved around linear glides for the Legacy... seems Legacy came up with a neat, compact, ball bearing glide that easily adapts to the current Legacy router carriages(either the simple carriage or the "Z" axis upgrade tower)Questions:1) does anyone in this group have one of these glides that they could take detailed                              photos of and post them to this discussion?2) was this a custom piece made by Legacy?(I would guess it was, but just putting that                       question out there)3) what are the chances that Legacy has any of these "leftover" in their stock and would                      they be willing to sell them?4) if no longer available, how difficult would it be to reproduce?... perhaps using a 3D                          printer?        it could eliminate the need for those black top hats, less wear on the acme lead screws and split nuts... and as mentioned in the video, it can reduce backlash... anyone out in Legacy Land care to chime in on this?... thanks... Joe B.b visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/legacy-ornamental-mills/003101d75312%24f36f3fb0%24da4dbf10%24%40mmnet.com.au.




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Re: new member

[M.W.Foscue]

Hello Lisa,Like others have already said - Welcome.Just in case there are Group members within a reasonable "link up" distance - where do you live?No need for address - closest town/city should be good enough.Sounds like you are an "ace" pen turner.  Now, with your new Mill, you will be able to make one for the Jolly Green Giant!Have a respectful & SAFE Memorial Day Weekend.Mac-Original Message-
From: Darkdragon 
Sent: May 27, 2021 12:21 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: new member

Thanks everyone!  I already know I'll be addicted to it, I did one project on my Pen Wizard and loved the result so much that when the LOM popped up for sale, which I had never heard of before, I said "that looks like a gigantic version of my pen wizard. i must have it!".  So here I am :)   I will be trying to figure out what is there/missing/needed in the next week or so and start a thread about what do I have and what do I need.  It's all very exciting. Thank you all for the warm welcome, I can see there's unending knowledge on these machines here.LisaOn Thu, May 27, 2021 at 5:49 AM Tim Ziegler  wrote:Welcome Lisa,Soon you'll be like the rest of us. Cant get enough of the Legacy. lolEnjoy and like I said welcome.Kind Regards,Timothy J. ZieglerOn Wed, May 26, 2021 at 10:58 PM Lisa  wrote:Hi Everyone.I was one of those new members waiting to join. I just got my mill from a local woodworker that needed to clear the space for something else.  I am super excited to learn how to use this beast, but one little issue is that it came with VHS tape and I have no way to play those anymore.  Is there somewhere to get a DVD of all the instructional videos? I did some searching but didn't find what I was after, just some promo videos from long ago.Attaching a photo of my new-to-me setup.On Tuesday, May 25, 2021 at 11:03:47 PM UTC-5 Curt George wrote:
Hi Joe.No problems... ;-)How are you doing? Its been a while since we last heard form you. I hope all is well?Hope to hear form you more soon. C.A.G.





On Tuesday, May 25, 2021, 08:59:31 AM EDT, 'finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental Mills  wrote:



Curt, I never implied that you were sent the request directly... I did not know you were an administrator of this group... thanks for following up on this, as I see that Robert has now posted his problem and is officially a member of the group... hopefully we will hear good things from him... and thanks for the work of administrating the groups page... it's all good stuff here... regards... Joe BiunnoOn Tuesday, May 25, 2021 at 12:20:25 AM UTC-4 Curt George wrote:
Hello EveryoneI was not SENT a notice of any request. There were three people requesting access to the group.I am sorry for anyone who was keep waiting. To those of you who I just granted access to, you still need to post at least two posting before the system knows who you are. I or Tim must grant access to any new member's so please be patient if your posting do not show up on the web page or e-mail as fast as you like  . Again I am sorry for any inconveniences, Google no longer supports Groups, I guess this is one of those things.I will try to keep a better look out for the web page/requests.Have  a good night.C.A.G.





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Hi JoeI forward this email to Tim K for you   Bill From: 'finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental Mills  Sent: Monday, 24 May 2021 11:06 PMTo: Legacy Ornamental Mills Subject: new member  to the administrator of the group, I recently had a Robert Thomas Weaver reach out to me asking for some help with his Legacy 1200, with the CNC upgrade... I could not help him and suggested he join this group... he said he tried but has yet to hear back if he has been accepted into the group... any chance someone can follow up on this?... thanks... Joe Biunno 



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RE: the Holy Grail of Legacy machines

[M.W.Foscue]

Bill,Thanks. The earlier link worked for me.Mac-Original Message-
From: bulke...@mmnet.com.au
Sent: May 27, 2021 12:27 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: the Holy Grail of Legacy machines

Ok lets try this again https://www.dropbox.com/s/doy454hicrvt155/native%20flute.mp4?dl=0 BillFrom: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of bulke...@mmnet.com.auSent: Thursday, 27 May 2021 2:06 PMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: the Holy Grail of Legacy machines https://www.dropbox.com/sh/c1l2rk3x7x8u8tp/AABDOUO18HBunlPyT1m7sQ1aa?dl=0 here is one working joe from the legacy videos that use to be online BillFrom: 'finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental Mills  Sent: Thursday, 27 May 2021 11:24 AMTo: Legacy Ornamental Mills Subject: Re: the Holy Grail of Legacy machines to Tom Weaver... Tom, does your CNC have the rack-and-pinion version of the CNC upgrade?... or do you have the stepper motors connected to the acme 5/8-4 threaded rods?... if it is the rack-and-pinion version, could you please post some photos of it... I have never seen the r and p setup on a machine... thanks... Joe B.On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 9:19:00 PM UTC-4 finu...@aol.com wrote:Bill... I would think that the more common gear sets are there... for my estimating purposes, and for what I see all that is there, I would think the original owner purchased all of the gear sets... of course it needs to be verified... and if it is found that they are not there, than a price adjustment is in order... but from the photos that I have seen, this original user ran through the catalog and purchased everything Legacy had to offer at the time... it is my understanding that there are more boxes the seller has to go through... so I am making some assumptions here... lets see where this goes... here are photos of those extra long router bits... its all good stuff here... part of what is interesting is everyone's opinions... Joe B.  router bitsOn Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 8:45:51 PM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:I just put out a price I thought was about right too much higher and a sale might be a longer time coming Lower and the seller would be giving the mill away it’s a starting estimate I didn’t see any horizontal or vertical vices or any .25 or 2x gears and other accessories apart from the rotary table, the 4x gears are good but they don’t cover all the smaller pitches. remembering what other mills I see for sale I thought it was a fair price what do you think is a better price? As with all things for sale it all depends on how bad the seller  wants a sale verses how bad a buyer wants the item. Just because new it all cost a fortune doesn’t mean you will get a fortune when you sell it this is all just my opinion im interested on what every one else’s is. Bill From: 'finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental Mills  Sent: Thursday, 27 May 2021 10:10 AMTo: Legacy Ornamental Mills Subject: Re: the Holy Grail of Legacy machines Hey Bill!... I might think it will be more than the $3,500 you are estimating... spoke to the seller and he mentioned that there are at least 12 of those 6" long Magnate bits that are made specifically for the Legacy machine and they are basically in brand new condition I just bought two of those(fluting, 1/2" diameter flute) from Magnate and they were $50 each!... and there are still boxes that the seller is going through... so it will be interesting to see where this all settles into... but the big key is who is willing to travel to that part of the country to seal the deal... as mentioned, there is no parting out of this stuff and there will be no crating/packing/shipping of this entire lot of stuff... the seller is seeing all of these comments now, and will soon be commenting himself once he is approved into the group, so everyone can then have contact with him directly... good luck to all and the seller as well... Joe B.On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 7:47:35 PM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:Anybody come up with a price yet I’m guessing around 3 ½ K as a package deal what do you all think or am I way off  BillFrom: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Tracy SmithSent: Wednesday, 26 May 2021 8:15 AMTo: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: the Holy Grail of Legacy machines Joe, Do you know the version of the CNC upgrade? It was either Standard or Performance. Tracy On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 3:13 PM 'finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental Mills  wrote:okay guys, time to separate the men from the boys!... I was recently contacted by someone who just obtained a Legacy 1500 and does not know anything about the machine or how it works... and they are in the market to sell this Legacy... here is a list of the "goodies"1) CNC legacy upgrade package, not installed... most 

Re: the Holy Grail of Legacy machines

[M.W.Foscue]

Hi Robert,Gotta ask:  Did you get your man onto the "3:10 to Yuma"?(Bill - for you:  That was a movie - in 2007.  From IMBd web:  "Russell Crowe, Christian Bale, Ben Foster, Logan Lerman. A small-time rancher agrees to hold a captured outlaw who's awaiting a train to go to court in Yuma. A battle of wills ensues as the outlaw tries to psych out the rancher." Have a respectful Memorial Day Weekend folks.Mac-Original Message-
From: Robert Coates 
Sent: May 26, 2021 4:20 PM
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: Re: the Holy Grail of Legacy machines

also the machine is located in Yuma Arizona.On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 12:53:29 PM UTC-7 cole wrote:And we thank you , that’s how community like this growsOn Wed, May 26, 2021 at 1:13 PM  wrote:You are so right curt lol but I believe it’s a package deal that’s why I didn’t jump already at the motor and controller and probably the Z axis some one else can have the 4x gears I already have 1 and a half sets of thoseAs package if I had the money I would buy it all and sell all the bits to all you guys but alas I am a poor man so.. someone will get it all in one big buy Bill From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills  Sent: Thursday, 27 May 2021 12:18 AMTo: 'finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental Mills Subject: Re: the Holy Grail of Legacy machines "HOLEY COW"!What kind of prices are you/he looking to get? Before Bill ask, (I think everyone know.) Bill have been looking for a motor and limit switches. If you are parting this out I know he will be wanting those. (6) original lead screw drive motor with the controls and limit switches)  Why would anyone want a CNC up-grade and the X4 gear sets???  (That's Crazy!) Please let US (the group) Know how you/he will want to sell this. Via. parting each line listed or as a package. It is a Very nice Machine, To bad YOUR friend dose not want to learn how to use what he has. His machine is a once in a life time find. Before things get hot and heavy on people asking for things, I will offer $1.00 for the set. (Or old school, One Buck! perhaps a buck and a half, but I keep the antlers.)  ;-p C.A.G.On Wednesday, May 26, 2021, 09:16:31 AM EDT, 'finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental Mills  wrote:   On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 9:04:28 AM UTC-4 finu...@aol.com wrote:some are asking for a more specific location of this piece... without putting you vultures(LOL!) on a direct path, Ill say southeast california, near the Mexico border... if you are willing to travel to get this unique machine and accessories, that should help you out for now... pictures being posted in a few minutes... Joe B.On Tuesday, May 25, 2021 at 7:51:12 PM UTC-4 finu...@aol.com wrote:Pictures tomorrow and it is a package deal Sent from the all new Aol app for iOSOn Tuesday, May 25, 2021, 6:58 PM, bulk...@mmnet.com.au  wrote:So he is selling as a whole package correct? Any way of getting pictures that always will help with selling Bill From: 'finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental Mills  Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2021 7:14 AMTo: Legacy Ornamental Mills Subject: the Holy Grail of Legacy machines okay guys, time to separate the men from the boys!... I was recently contacted by someone who just obtained a Legacy 1500 and does not know anything about the machine or how it works... and they are in the market to sell this Legacy... here is a list of the "goodies"1) CNC legacy upgrade package, not installed... most likely never installed... with the         software CDs!2) 4X gear package upgrade... yes, 4X!... verified myself and with the installation sheet3) "Z" axis upgrade4) rotary table with the flex piece to connect it to the head stock5) Legacy aluminum rail base with casters6) original lead screw drive motor with the controls and limit switches7) nice Porter Cable router on it8) practically every Legacy option you could ever imagine9) I am sure there are router bits, just haven't gotten that far into the inventory I am guiding this person through the process, so no low ballers!... LOL!... general location is the southwest United States... certainly photos will be available, most likely tomorrow's postings... could use some assistance in helping with a fair price for this person... for the record, I have no interest myself(that remark is mostly directed to Mac!)... anyone can email me at ... or call my cell anytime 516-606-6627... once a fair price has been offered I will give the contact info of the seller and I am then backing away... just trying to help someone who reached out to me... ok guys, let's see where this goes... regards... Joe Biunno-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an emai

RE: the Holy Grail of Legacy machines

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Joe & Bill - and others,Unfortunately for the seller (and the rest of us) he/she is tucked far away in one of the 4 corners of the continental United States!Too bad they don't have this housed in someplace like St Louis, MO or Atlanta, GA - smack in the middle of a LOT of people.  In one of those cities potential buyers are only having to drive "half way" across the country to get there.  As it is, most folks will have to drive that far and further to get there. Bill - You are correct in your comments about an item only being "worth" what someone is willing to pay.  And a sale is consummated only when the seller wants to part with it "bad enough" to let it go for what a buyer is willing to pay for it.A CRAZY example of the opposite of the above (it sometimes happens) took place on eBay on April 4, 2021.  Woodpeckers normally sells their Coping Sled for $150.   Right now - until June 1st - it is on sale for $120.   There were 6 bidders (with 10 total bids) for the eBay sled - which ended up selling for $202.50 PLUS $20 for S&H!!!  That's $202.50 for a sled that sells every day from Woodpeckers for $150! Like Joe intimated - you never know what an item will sell for until you put it out there "For Sale"!Best of luck to the Seller as well as to any Group member interested in buying it.Mac-Original Message-
From: bulke...@mmnet.com.au
Sent: May 26, 2021 8:45 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: the Holy Grail of Legacy machines

I just put out a price I thought was about right too much higher and a sale might be a longer time coming Lower and the seller would be giving the mill away it’s a starting estimate I didn’t see any horizontal or vertical vices or any .25 or 2x gears and other accessories apart from the rotary table, the 4x gears are good but they don’t cover all the smaller pitches. remembering what other mills I see for sale I thought it was a fair price what do you think is a better price? As with all things for sale it all depends on how bad the seller  wants a sale verses how bad a buyer wants the item. Just because new it all cost a fortune doesn’t mean you will get a fortune when you sell it this is all just my opinion im interested on what every one else’s is. Bill  From: 'finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental Mills  Sent: Thursday, 27 May 2021 10:10 AMTo: Legacy Ornamental Mills Subject: Re: the Holy Grail of Legacy machines Hey Bill!... I might think it will be more than the $3,500 you are estimating... spoke to the seller and he mentioned that there are at least 12 of those 6" long Magnate bits that are made specifically for the Legacy machine and they are basically in brand new condition I just bought two of those(fluting, 1/2" diameter flute) from Magnate and they were $50 each!... and there are still boxes that the seller is going through... so it will be interesting to see where this all settles into... but the big key is who is willing to travel to that part of the country to seal the deal... as mentioned, there is no parting out of this stuff and there will be no crating/packing/shipping of this entire lot of stuff... the seller is seeing all of these comments now, and will soon be commenting himself once he is approved into the group, so everyone can then have contact with him directly... good luck to all and the seller as well... Joe B.On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 7:47:35 PM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:Anybody come up with a price yet I’m guessing around 3 ½ K as a package deal what do you all think or am I way off  BillFrom: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Tracy SmithSent: Wednesday, 26 May 2021 8:15 AMTo: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: the Holy Grail of Legacy machines Joe, Do you know the version of the CNC upgrade? It was either Standard or Performance. Tracy On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 3:13 PM 'finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental Mills  wrote:okay guys, time to separate the men from the boys!... I was recently contacted by someone who just obtained a Legacy 1500 and does not know anything about the machine or how it works... and they are in the market to sell this Legacy... here is a list of the "goodies"1) CNC legacy upgrade package, not installed... most likely never installed... with the         software CDs!2) 4X gear package upgrade... yes, 4X!... verified myself and with the installation sheet3) "Z" axis upgrade4) rotary table with the flex piece to connect it to the head stock5) Legacy aluminum rail base with casters6) original lead screw drive motor with the controls and limit switches7) nice Porter Cable router on it8) practically every Legacy option you could ever imagine9) I am sure there are router bits, just haven't gotten that far into the inventory I am guiding this person through the process, so no low ballers!... LOL!... general location is the southwest United States... certainly photos will be available, most likely tomorrow's postings... 

Re: the Holy Grail of Legacy machines

[M.W.Foscue]

Joe,As I always suspected: You are a GREAT guy!We need more folks in the world that are as helpful as you are!(Luckily, a good number of The Group members are like you - VERY helpful to all that seek help.)You have done a GREAT job informing The Group about this upcoming availablity of the Mill.  I know there are a few "smacking their chops".  Surprised you are not one of them.  LoL!I am sure that "cowboy" living in the Southwest is VERY appreciative of your generosity.Have a Great day!Mac-Original Message-
From: "'finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental Mills" 
Sent: May 25, 2021 5:13 PM
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: the Holy Grail of Legacy machines

okay guys, time to separate the men from the boys!... I was recently contacted by someone who just obtained a Legacy 1500 and does not know anything about the machine or how it works... and they are in the market to sell this Legacy... here is a list of the "goodies"1) CNC legacy upgrade package, not installed... most likely never installed... with the         software CDs!2) 4X gear package upgrade... yes, 4X!... verified myself and with the installation sheet3) "Z" axis upgrade4) rotary table with the flex piece to connect it to the head stock5) Legacy aluminum rail base with casters6) original lead screw drive motor with the controls and limit switches7) nice Porter Cable router on it8) practically every Legacy option you could ever imagine9) I am sure there are router bits, just haven't gotten that far into the inventoryI am guiding this person through the process, so no low ballers!... LOL!... general location is the southwest United States... certainly photos will be available, most likely tomorrow's postings... could use some assistance in helping with a fair price for this person... for the record, I have no interest myself(that remark is mostly directed to Mac!)... anyone can email me at ... or call my cell anytime 516-606-6627... once a fair price has been offered I will give the contact info of the seller and I am then backing away... just trying to help someone who reached out to me... ok guys, let's see where this goes... regards... Joe Biunno



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RE: Pie Crust Table on the Legacy Ornamental mill

[M.W.Foscue]

Michael,Very nice - Thanks for sharing.   Is the top all one piece; or several pieces glued up?Yes, Charles Neil will be missed.  He was a "one of a kind woodworker" - and he loved to share his knowledge and skill with others.What a coincidence that you should mention Charles.  Almost a year and a half ago, I (and other members of our woodworkers' guild) had the opportunity to go to Charles' shop in the Shenandoah Valley and partake in the sale of the contents of his shop.  Consequently, several of us have tools and material (wood, jigs, etc.) that Charles used.  That makes them somewhat special to us.Again, thanks for sharing.Mac-Original Message-
From: Michael Kratky 
Sent: May 24, 2021 3:39 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Pie Crust Table on the Legacy Ornamental mill

Yep made this one some 12 years ago out of black walnut not on the LOM but with some fancy router, template and lathe work the way my late friend Charles Neil taught me, had intended to make more but never did and now I’m too old to remember the process and Charles belongs to the ages. Always thought that the Legacy or a CNC would dramatically speed up the process, the top is 30” in diameter. Michael From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ron TaylorSent: Monday, May 24, 2021 11:10 AMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Pie Crust Table on the Legacy Ornamental mill That was fun to watch, thanks for the heads up, stay safe, Ron T. On Sun, May 23, 2021 at 9:52 PM Tim Ziegler  wrote:Thanks CurtKind Regards, Timothy J. ZieglerZiegler WoodWork & Specialty14171 160th Ave.Foreston MN 56330 320-294-5798 shop320-630-2243 cell  On Sun, May 23, 2021 at 4:37 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills  wrote:Hello everyone. Just found this. It may not be the Legacy version, but it is fun to watch. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TNtaamaaf8 C.A.G. On Saturday, May 22, 2021, 09:38:59 PM EDT, Tim Ziegler  wrote:   Thanks CurtKind Regards, Timothy J. ZieglerZiegler WoodWork & Specialty14171 160th Ave.Foreston MN 56330 320-294-5798 shop320-630-2243 cell  On Sat, May 22, 2021 at 2:24 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills  wrote:Hello Everyone,I'm glad you all like this. Don and the Group talked about this idea for at least a month, before Don finely figured out all the little details needed to make this work.  Like Bill said, the circle cutting center, (home made version if I remember correctly.) was used, And he used a modified template to turn the edges.  I do also remember asking if a trapped template would be a better choice for a job like this?  I had a file on this table topic, but sadly the file is now something that I can not open, (change of format for my old 95 system.) If I can figure out how to pull up some of those photos I will send them your way.(Here is one file that I can still open on this topic.)As I know he made a 1/4 sized template of the tables profile. ( cut like a pie piece.) and used that template to cut appx. 1 quarter of the table at a time.  got'a run guys.talk to you all  more latter.Have a good day. C.A.G.On Saturday, May 22, 2021, 01:07:51 PM EDT, Tim Ziegler  wrote:   So true Bill So True. Kind Regards, Timothy J. ZieglerZiegler WoodWork & Specialty14171 160th Ave.Foreston MN 56330 320-294-5798 shop320-630-2243 cell  On Sat, May 22, 2021 at 9:15 AM  wrote:Always remember Tim the only thing stopping you doing anything on a legacy mill is a lack of imagination Bill From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Tim ZieglerSent: Saturday, 22 May 2021 8:55 PMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Pie Crust Table on the Legacy Ornamental mill Thanks Curt, I for one enjoy seeing the past projects as it reminds me of all the unexplored opportunities I have waiting for me. Thanks to you and all past posts from others I will get to enjoy them as well. This in particular is a very cool idea and I would not have dreamed doing this ever. Wow.I sure am honored to be of the LOM family.  Kind Regards, Timothy J. ZieglerZiegler WoodWork & Specialty14171 160th Ave.Foreston MN 56330 320-294-5798 shop320-630-2243 cell  On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 11:57 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills  wrote:Hello Everyone, this is an old project done by  Zeke.    (Don Pearce)A few years back. Since a lot of our members do not remember this, I though many would enjoy reading about his project.C.A.G.   https://ornamentalmills.com/turningaround/PieCrustTable.htm After all of your suggestions, especially Steve G. and Curt, and some of myown experiments, I have decided how I will proceed to make my pie-crust edgetable. It would have take

Re: Hello Everyone.

[M.W.Foscue]

Tim,Got it.  I understand.Thanks.Mac-Original Message-
From: Tim Ziegler 
Sent: May 10, 2021 9:09 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Hello Everyone.

and along came this sale:https://www.cookwoods.com/collections/pre-cut-sizesKind Regards,Timothy J. ZieglerZiegler WoodWork & Specialty14171 160th Ave.Foreston MN 56330320-294-5798 shop320-630-2243 cellOn Mon, May 10, 2021 at 7:49 AM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Hello MacThe biggest appeal to me about the Revo over the other Legacy modals, Is the visibility of having the router cutting out in the open, No rails in the way of view of the cut. Granted all the Legacy's do the same things, but when working with small turnings, I think this open feeling/ up close feeling, would allow greater precision just due to having the ability to see the smaller details before you start your cut.(At least that is how I see it now.)  Have a good day.C.A.G.





On Monday, May 10, 2021, 12:08:54 AM EDT, M.W.Foscue <mwfos...@earthlink.net> wrote:



Curtis,Like I said about 30 minutes ago - What is the "appeal" of the Revo?  Especially if you own a "regular" Legacy Ornamental Mill?Revo appears to be an emasculated LOM - very limited capability.Mac-Original Message-
From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Sent: May 9, 2021 9:28 PM
To: Legacy ornamental mills 
Subject: Hello Everyone.

For those of you who are Mom's, "Happy Mothers day". ;-)I was going through some old paperwork and found an ad for the REVO.The more I look at this little machine the more I like it.This is a good ad. If I remember correctly I cut it out of an American woodworker magazine, back in the early 2000's.I have been day dreaming about re-making the REVO and using linear rails instead of the slides that Legacy used.  Other than that I think Legacy did an Awesome job on this machine, Sadly I didn't buy one when I had the chance. (but honestly, at that time, I thought that the REVO was to small for my needs, and did not see the advantages of its design until year after.)Take care everyone.talk to you all more latter.C.A.G.



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RE: Hello Everyone.

[M.W.Foscue]

Kind of like when the "Beanie Babies" were in high demand.The more people were looking for a specific one, the harder that Beanie was to find.Mac-Original Message-
From: bulke...@mmnet.com.au
Sent: May 10, 2021 12:03 AM
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Subject: RE: Hello Everyone.

Not do more just some things a little better like template milling and being smaller does have a being a bit portable appeal its just a legacy fever thing I guess lol and of course back in the day it was cheaper to buy than the others Bill From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M.W.FoscueSent: Monday, 10 May 2021 1:32 PMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Hello Everyone. Curtis, Nice find.That magazine you copied it from is the March 2007 issue.Thanks for sharing it. I was going to ask if anyone knew if Geo Vondriska even had/owned the mill he reviewed - or was it only a "loaner" from Legacy for the purpose of reviewing it.Anyone know if Geo. ever posted or lurked here? Not sure I get the "appeal" that the Revo seems to have.  Is it simply the small size?  Sure does not seem capable of doing more that a regular LOM. Mac-Original Message- From: Tim Ziegler Sent: May 9, 2021 10:05 PM To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Hello Everyone. Wow and George is from Minnesota and I have his direct contact info. MAYBE I can get him to sell it to me lol. Kind Regards, Timothy J. ZieglerOn Sun, May 9, 2021 at 8:44 PM  wrote:Great find curt I didn’t even have this one BillFrom: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills  Sent: Monday, 10 May 2021 11:29 AMTo: Legacy ornamental mills Subject: Hello Everyone. For those of you who are Mom's, "Happy Mothers day". ;-) I was going through some old paperwork and found an ad for the REVO. The more I look at this little machine the more I like it.This is a good ad. If I remember correctly I cut it out of an American woodworker magazine, back in the early 2000's. I have been day dreaming about re-making the REVO and using linear rails instead of the slides that Legacy used.  Other than that I think Legacy did an Awesome job on this machine, Sadly I didn't buy one when I had the chance. (but honestly, at that time, I thought that the REVO was to small for my needs, and did not see the advantages of its design until year after.) Take care everyone.talk to you all more latter. C.A.G.-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/legacy-ornamental-mills/1048477532.3571.1620617496312%40wamui-bison.atl.sa.earthlink.net.



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Re: Hello Everyone.

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Curtis,Like I said about 30 minutes ago - What is the "appeal" of the Revo?  Especially if you own a "regular" Legacy Ornamental Mill?Revo appears to be an emasculated LOM - very limited capability.Mac-Original Message-
From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Sent: May 9, 2021 9:28 PM
To: Legacy ornamental mills 
Subject: Hello Everyone.

For those of you who are Mom's, "Happy Mothers day". ;-)I was going through some old paperwork and found an ad for the REVO.The more I look at this little machine the more I like it.This is a good ad. If I remember correctly I cut it out of an American woodworker magazine, back in the early 2000's.I have been day dreaming about re-making the REVO and using linear rails instead of the slides that Legacy used.  Other than that I think Legacy did an Awesome job on this machine, Sadly I didn't buy one when I had the chance. (but honestly, at that time, I thought that the REVO was to small for my needs, and did not see the advantages of its design until year after.)Take care everyone.talk to you all more latter.C.A.G.



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Re: Hello Everyone.

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Curtis,Nice find.That magazine you copied it from is the March 2007 issue.Thanks for sharing it.I was going to ask if anyone knew if Geo Vondriska even had/owned the mill he reviewed - or was it only a "loaner" from Legacy for the purpose of reviewing it.Anyone know if Geo. ever posted or lurked here?Not sure I get the "appeal" that the Revo seems to have.  Is it simply the small size?  Sure does not seem capable of doing more that a regular LOM.Mac-Original Message-
From: Tim Ziegler 
Sent: May 9, 2021 10:05 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Hello Everyone.

Wow and George is from Minnesota and I have his direct contact info. MAYBE I can get him to sell it to me lol. Kind Regards,Timothy J. ZieglerOn Sun, May 9, 2021 at 8:44 PM  wrote:Great find curt I didn’t even have this one BillFrom: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills  Sent: Monday, 10 May 2021 11:29 AMTo: Legacy ornamental mills Subject: Hello Everyone. For those of you who are Mom's, "Happy Mothers day". ;-) I was going through some old paperwork and found an ad for the REVO. The more I look at this little machine the more I like it.This is a good ad. If I remember correctly I cut it out of an American woodworker magazine, back in the early 2000's. I have been day dreaming about re-making the REVO and using linear rails instead of the slides that Legacy used.  Other than that I think Legacy did an Awesome job on this machine, Sadly I didn't buy one when I had the chance. (but honestly, at that time, I thought that the REVO was to small for my needs, and did not see the advantages of its design until year after.) Take care everyone.talk to you all more latter. C.A.G.



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Re: More parts

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Tracy,I'd like one of the "Double Locking Collars" and one of the "Single Locking Collars".All of the above are pictured in photo #:   IMG_20210508_151952416.jpg  of this email/Thanks.Mac-Original Message-
From: Tracy Smith 
Sent: May 8, 2021 5:56 PM
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: Re: More parts

Here is everything else.On Saturday, May 8, 2021 at 3:55:22 PM UTC-6 Tracy Smith wrote:Here are parts for raising and lowering the bed.On Saturday, May 8, 2021 at 3:53:51 PM UTC-6 Tracy Smith wrote:Here are some parts that were used for the structure of the machine.On Saturday, May 8, 2021 at 3:51:59 PM UTC-6 Tracy Smith wrote:Here are some parts for template work.On Saturday, May 8, 2021 at 3:50:43 PM UTC-6 Tracy Smith wrote:Hello everyone,Last night I took apart the 1500. Nearly all those parts are available to you if you need it to fix some bent or broken part on your current mill or even to strengthen part of your mill. It is a lot faster taking one of these apart than putting one together :).I'll post a bunch of pictures. Most of this stuff can fit in a Priority Mail box so that makes it very easy, inexpensive and reliable to ship. If you are interested, shoot me an offer. All I ask is the offer be fair to me and you.  Nearly everything left I will sell for $20 or less.The gear cover, red sled with plastic parts, and the two Standard gears, I will sell for $25 a piece. The two standard gears are both missing the indexing gear. The pictures for these parts are attached. I'll attach other pictures as a reply to this message.The box of parts, I had a ton of interest in. So let me know which parts you are interested in that box, please be specific. I'm selling the locking plates for either $1.50 or $1 each depending on the size. I know you can't get those now so I'd like to see a few people get them.I still have the 2x Gear for $100. I also have six 100" aluminum rails. I have no desire to ship them at that size but if you are in critical need, I'll do my best to help. I don't mind cutting them down to reasonable size. I will sell that for $5 a linear foot.If you have already talked to me about stuff, I have done my best to make sure the stuff you want has been set aside. Let me know if any of these new parts are something you also need. I'd love to see this all wrapped up in the next week. My wife is telling me I need to start building stuff and stop selling stuff :).Regards, It's been a pleasure meeting many of you virtually.Tracy



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RE: More parts

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Tracy,I haven't had a chance to look at all the emails & photos yet.If you have the headstock, I will probably be interested.  Is there a photo of it?If there is - in which email?Thanks.Mac-Original Message-
From: wm.o.he...@gmail.com
Sent: May 8, 2021 7:32 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: More parts

Again! Tracy, I would like to get the locking collars. Bill Henry From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Tracy SmithSent: Saturday, May 8, 2021 5:56 PMTo: Legacy Ornamental Mills Subject: Re: More parts Here is everything else.On Saturday, May 8, 2021 at 3:55:22 PM UTC-6 Tracy Smith wrote:Here are parts for raising and lowering the bed.On Saturday, May 8, 2021 at 3:53:51 PM UTC-6 Tracy Smith wrote:Here are some parts that were used for the structure of the machine.On Saturday, May 8, 2021 at 3:51:59 PM UTC-6 Tracy Smith wrote:Here are some parts for template work.On Saturday, May 8, 2021 at 3:50:43 PM UTC-6 Tracy Smith wrote:Hello everyone, Last night I took apart the 1500. Nearly all those parts are available to you if you need it to fix some bent or broken part on your current mill or even to strengthen part of your mill. It is a lot faster taking one of these apart than putting one together :). I'll post a bunch of pictures. Most of this stuff can fit in a Priority Mail box so that makes it very easy, inexpensive and reliable to ship. If you are interested, shoot me an offer. All I ask is the offer be fair to me and you.  Nearly everything left I will sell for $20 or less. The gear cover, red sled with plastic parts, and the two Standard gears, I will sell for $25 a piece. The two standard gears are both missing the indexing gear. The pictures for these parts are attached. I'll attach other pictures as a reply to this message. The box of parts, I had a ton of interest in. So let me know which parts you are interested in that box, please be specific. I'm selling the locking plates for either $1.50 or $1 each depending on the size. I know you can't get those now so I'd like to see a few people get them. I still have the 2x Gear for $100. I also have six 100" aluminum rails. I have no desire to ship them at that size but if you are in critical need, I'll do my best to help. I don't mind cutting them down to reasonable size. I will sell that for $5 a linear foot. If you have already talked to me about stuff, I have done my best to make sure the stuff you want has been set aside. Let me know if any of these new parts are something you also need.  I'd love to see this all wrapped up in the next week. My wife is telling me I need to start building stuff and stop selling stuff :). Regards, It's been a pleasure meeting many of you virtually.Tracy-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/legacy-ornamental-mills/e8969c8b-a8b3-4c6a-bc96-eb5d652d832bn%40googlegroups.com.



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RE: Kind of LOM related

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Tracy,I echo Bill's comments - I was thinking the same thing.  Especially if you use it to fill in open areas, pockets, checks, etc in a light color wood like maple or hickory.We all look forward to your follow-up photos.What's that huge vegetable plant on the other side of the fence in photo that ends w/5105.  Squash?  It sure has a head start on whatever you are planting in your Grow Boxes.Thanks for sharing.Mac-Original Message-
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Sent: May 3, 2021 12:55 AM
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Subject: RE: Kind of LOM related

Interesting I look forward to the color change perhaps you could use them with epoxy as a blood red inlay on a project . just a thought  BillFrom: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Tracy SmithSent: Monday, 3 May 2021 2:27 PMTo: Legacy Ornamental Mills Subject: Kind of LOM related Hello all, Over two years ago I was using my mill to do a lot of work with redwood.. I had a ton of chips and sawdust. I just couldn't throw it all away so I bagged it up and stored it away. I used some of it for mulch in a couple grow boxes I have. A few weeks after I put it in the box, the color changed to a beautiful blood red. The strawberry plants and raspberry plants grew up around the redwood mulch. It was unplanned but surprisingly beautiful. We are just getting ready to plant some stuff in our grow boxes and I broke out a few of the bags of the redwood chips and put it on the top of a couple boxes. I've attached a couple pictures. Hopefully, in a few weeks, I'll post a follow up with some cool pictures to show how the color has changed. Anyway, not really any tips about using the LOM but the chips came directly from using the LOM :). Tracy




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Re: quick wooden knob question

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Allan,Ok - I'll bite.  What's a "ball screw"?    (I was hoping Tim or someone else in The Group was like me and has no idea what a "ball screw" is.)  You mention it in your first sentence.Whatever it is, it appears to have brought you "joy"!  I'm happy for that - but still curious as to what one is.Thanks.Mac-Original Message-
From: Katherine Bruinooge 
Sent: May 1, 2021 1:01 AM
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: quick wooden knob question

hello everyone , second time postingI have been busy with other projects but the 1200 has a new ball screw for the x axis woohoo!my wife has secured a order for 1265 puzzles out of wood and they need 5 wooden 1 in high by 1.25 wide roundy knobs we are getting prices of 2.00cdn each. I was wondering if this is a suitable application of the legacy 1200 cnc - i never made a knob before would be out of select pine side grain was thinking after i program it i would use ripped 2 x 4 or 2x2 secured along length of x axis so i could produce as many as i could at a time.I guess if it could be done what type of profile bit would i use?thanks for all the great posts btw I will figure a way to post what i have made so far soon.Allan






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Re: Gears

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Curt (and Anthony),There are 7 "Drive Gears" in the "set" - identified as A (largest) through G (smallest).Have fun and operate SAFELY!Mac-Original Message-
From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Sent: Apr 29, 2021 12:38 AM
To: "legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com" 
Subject: Re: Gears


Hello AnthonyBefore we go to far into this, Just to make sure we are talking the same things here.The .25 reduction gear set is what you plan to make. Right?  The drive gears are the only gears with a square cut in them. Legacy gives these gears a letter classification on the Legacy gear chart. (A-F) The Reduction gear set is a Two gear set, made up of the Duplex gear (two gears combined together), and an indexing gear that has a rectangle cut into it for mating the gear up with the Legacy's headstock.Now If I read your question correctly.  the acme screw, square part, which the drive gears set on is ,310 on my machine.If you want I can take measurements of the gear set for you? but as I understand it, the pitch of the gears teeth have a lot to do with the diameters of the gear its self,  By just knowing the size will not help you out much. If I were your, I would call Legacy, and ask for Cindy. Or e-mail Tim Krause , I know he would be able to fully explain all the details to you.   As for my-self, I know how to use the gears, and a basic understanding of how they work, But the finer details of why they work, is beyond me at this time.  Perhaps one/some of our members could explain the details to you. I know Mike, and Joe, and perhaps Russ or Richard? could do a better job with this then what I can do.But I would try Tim first. and then perhaps you could try the others?I wish you luck on your project.And Please keep us up to date on how it turns out for you.Have a good night.C.A.G.





On Wednesday, April 28, 2021, 01:51:58 AM EDT, anthony  wrote:



I am in the process of finishing up a CAD drawing to make a 2.25" pitch gear of the type that goes with the right-hand side of the attached file.According to my calipers (Not battery driven.), that square hole in the middle of the gear reads as just less than 7/32" on a side.  I can't believe that something that odd was intended.So, the question is, what is the actual dimension of the shaft that the gear fits on?anthonyTo forgive is to set a prisoner free and discover that the prisoner was you.-Original Message- From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental MillsSent: Sunday, March 07, 2021 8:31 PMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: GearsHello ArkadyI will have to go out and take some pictures of it latter.These photos are the only ones that I have on file at this time.You can see there is a square nut wielded to washer, the gears go over and onto the square shaft making a small duplex gear that I can place in the Legacy's gear linkage. (My set-up goes into the gear set up where the directional gear set would normally go.)I also have fully photo's of Joe's set up.C.A.G.On Sunday, March 7, 2021, 04:15:34 PM EST, Arkady Paka  wrote:Thank you Curt. Can I see any blueprint and/or photo of your 234 gear set?вс, 7 мар. 2021 г., 15:52 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills :Hello ArkadyNO !  I'm pretty sure that they will not match up to the Legacy's gears.What I am suggesting is to make a duplex gear form one of the Legacy's gears and combine the two into one gear set that can be used on the Legacy.As a matter of fact. Legacy did this, when they switched making there gear, from machined to laser cut. (big teeth vs the small ones.)A few years ago I made my X-2,3,4 gear set. I made a square shaft ,and a mounting plate. on this, I used a 96 tooth gear as the large gear. and then I could put any one of three gears onto the square shaft it to make the gear ratio that I needed. (4x is 24/96, X3 is 32/96, X2 is 48/96) This gear set can be used in conjunction with the other Legacy gears, So if I need a gear setting, I can go to the graph, and look up the pitch, and then multiply that number X  what ever I need, to make the pitch I want.Now these gear I am suggesting here are not the same as I had cut. but they are also cheaper to buy. With a little work, (Most of what I did was made with the use of a file and a few tack wields), You could make your own gear sets, to make what ever pitches you want.A few year back we had a member make there own gear sets https://groups.google.com/g/legacy-ornamental-mills/c/NRI4-q17xz8/m/qz4wSch25-sJ Joe made his own sets, It looks a little crazy but it worked well. As a matter of Fact. Bill also used chain and gears to make different pitches on this same link.When there is a Will! there is always a Way to make the job get done."Legacy where the only limitation, is your imagination"C.A.G.On Sund

Re: Saturday's Small weekend project & LED Flashlights

[M.W.Foscue]

One that he has, if he's not careful, the beam can get so hot it could catch paper on fire!Mac-Original Message-
From: Tim Ziegler 
Sent: Apr 25, 2021 12:05 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Saturday's Small weekend project & LED Flashlights

Oh those yea I've passed those up a few times as they areso expensive. NICE lights wowKind Regards,Timothy J. ZieglerOn Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 10:18 PM M.W.Foscue <mwfos...@earthlink.net> wrote:Our son-in-law has a fair number of LED flashlights. (I don't think he's ever met a flashlight he didn't like. LoL!)One brand he seems to really like is Nebo.   Ace Hardware store also sell them.They have quite a variety - from very small to very big and BRIGHT!I have a non-Nebo flashlight that sort of looks like a Gar fish.  More than half of its ~16" length is what looks like the Gar's bill. The "bottom side" of the bill is an array of LEDs like your Mantis.  The tip is a single LED - like your Mantis.Both LED lights are variable intensity.A difference between yours & mine:  With the long slim "bill" I can probe into small openings to illuminate the inside.  VERY handy.Also, is is USB cable rechargeable - another good feature.Mac-Original Message-
From: Tim Ziegler 
Sent: Apr 24, 2021 10:47 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Saturday's Small weekend project

Best light I've ever owned. I carry everywhere. It a has a LED light on the end so you can pin point it or you can use the side light at2 different levels of brightness. It lasts for several hours. look it up Mac you'd have one in less then a week.Kind Regards,Timothy J. ZieglerOn Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 8:35 PM M.W.Foscue <mwfos...@earthlink.net> wrote:Probably made in China.And they named it "Mantis" - because when you need it the most, you have too pray that it works!I try to buy ones that allow you to adjust the intensity.  I find with LED lights sometimes "hi" (and even "medium") it too bright on the object of interest.Mac-Original Message-
From: Tim Ziegler 
Sent: Apr 24, 2021 7:44 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Saturday's Small weekend project

I have a small LED with a magnet on the bottom calledthe "Mantis" cob light. check it out as well. This light has a pivot and you can aim the beam in any direction.Very handy thanks for sharingCurt. Kind Regards,Timothy J. ZieglerOn Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 12:05 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:Hello everyoneThis is a cheap project that I think most will like.I went to Harbor Fright. and found this battery operated LED light for $5.00I know others in the group will have to make a different mounting for this light/magnified glass to mount ontothere Legacy's but that should be simple for anyone to do.  For $5.00 is worth the trouble, (at least that's how I see it.) ;-pHave a Great weekend everyone.C.A.G.



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RE: Saturday's Small weekend project and FLASHLIGHTS

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Interesting "title" for the tool.  In part it reads "... Tool skin only".Differences in our "English" language again - In America the term we would use here is "... bare tool only".So its "skin" vs "bare".  Funny!Mac-Original Message-
From: bulke...@mmnet.com.au
Sent: Apr 25, 2021 12:11 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Saturday's Small weekend project and FLASHLIGHTS

Looks like they are only available here https://www.ebay.com/itm/272723423487?epid=1951285764&hash=item3f7f9530ff:g:XAgAAOSwjk9ZRhZB BillFrom: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M.W.FoscueSent: Sunday, 25 April 2021 1:21 PMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: Saturday's Small weekend project and FLASHLIGHTS Very nice.  Never seen that one by Ryobi.Where do you get yours?  As far as I know, here in America, the only place selling Ryobi is Home Depot.Mac-Original Message- From: bulke...@mmnet.com.au Sent: Apr 24, 2021 10:48 PM To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Saturday's Small weekend project I sometimes use a ryobi light  on the mill but it has no magnet so it can be a pain to anchor  BillFrom: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Tim ZieglerSent: Sunday, 25 April 2021 9:45 AMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Saturday's Small weekend project I have a small LED with a magnet on the bottom calledthe "Mantis" cob light. check it out as well. This light has a pivot and you can aim the beam in any direction.Very handy thanks for sharingCurt. Kind Regards, Timothy J. ZieglerOn Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 12:05 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills  wrote:Hello everyone This is a cheap project that I think most will like.I went to Harbor Fright. and found this battery operated LED light for $5.00 I know others in the group will have to make a different mounting for this light/magnified glass to mount ontothere Legacy's but that should be simple for anyone to do.  For $5.00 is worth the trouble, (at least that's how I see it.) ;-p Have a Great weekend everyone. C.A.G.



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RE: Saturday's Small weekend project and FLASHLIGHTS

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I've been told that Ryobi, like Ridgid, is a "house brand" of Home Depot's here in America.Anybody else know anything about that?Mac-Original Message-
From: bulke...@mmnet.com.au
Sent: Apr 24, 2021 11:32 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Saturday's Small weekend project and FLASHLIGHTS

We have a hardware chain of shops here called bunnings warehouse  very much like your home depot they sell ryobi exclusive here maybe they are owned by home depot I don’t know https://www.bunnings.com.au/?gclid=CjwKCAjwg4-EBhBwEiwAzYAlsvw4PSgfCqtzHDpZDhb189TRqpyHzDZoXoohhWvodZv7oDbshpO6VxoC5UYQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds BillFrom: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M.W.FoscueSent: Sunday, 25 April 2021 1:21 PMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: Saturday's Small weekend project and FLASHLIGHTS Very nice.  Never seen that one by Ryobi.Where do you get yours?  As far as I know, here in America, the only place selling Ryobi is Home Depot.Mac-Original Message- From: bulke...@mmnet.com.au Sent: Apr 24, 2021 10:48 PM To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Saturday's Small weekend project I sometimes use a ryobi light  on the mill but it has no magnet so it can be a pain to anchor  BillFrom: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Tim ZieglerSent: Sunday, 25 April 2021 9:45 AMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Saturday's Small weekend project I have a small LED with a magnet on the bottom calledthe "Mantis" cob light. check it out as well. This light has a pivot and you can aim the beam in any direction.Very handy thanks for sharingCurt. Kind Regards, Timothy J. ZieglerOn Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 12:05 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills  wrote:Hello everyone This is a cheap project that I think most will like.I went to Harbor Fright. and found this battery operated LED light for $5.00 I know others in the group will have to make a different mounting for this light/magnified glass to mount ontothere Legacy's but that should be simple for anyone to do.  For $5.00 is worth the trouble, (at least that's how I see it.) ;-p Have a Great weekend everyone. C.A.G.




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RE: Saturday's Small weekend project and FLASHLIGHTS

[M.W.Foscue]

Very nice.  Never seen that one by Ryobi.Where do you get yours?  As far as I know, here in America, the only place selling Ryobi is Home Depot.Mac-Original Message-
From: bulke...@mmnet.com.au
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To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Saturday's Small weekend project

I sometimes use a ryobi light  on the mill but it has no magnet so it can be a pain to anchor  BillFrom: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Tim ZieglerSent: Sunday, 25 April 2021 9:45 AMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Saturday's Small weekend project I have a small LED with a magnet on the bottom calledthe "Mantis" cob light. check it out as well. This light has a pivot and you can aim the beam in any direction.Very handy thanks for sharingCurt. Kind Regards, Timothy J. ZieglerOn Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 12:05 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills  wrote:Hello everyone This is a cheap project that I think most will like.I went to Harbor Fright. and found this battery operated LED light for $5.00 I know others in the group will have to make a different mounting for this light/magnified glass to mount ontothere Legacy's but that should be simple for anyone to do.  For $5.00 is worth the trouble, (at least that's how I see it.) ;-p Have a Great weekend everyone. C.A.G.




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Re: Saturday's Small weekend project & LED Flashlights

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Our son-in-law has a fair number of LED flashlights. (I don't think he's ever met a flashlight he didn't like. LoL!)One brand he seems to really like is Nebo.   Ace Hardware store also sell them.They have quite a variety - from very small to very big and BRIGHT!I have a non-Nebo flashlight that sort of looks like a Gar fish.  More than half of its ~16" length is what looks like the Gar's bill. The "bottom side" of the bill is an array of LEDs like your Mantis.  The tip is a single LED - like your Mantis.Both LED lights are variable intensity.A difference between yours & mine:  With the long slim "bill" I can probe into small openings to illuminate the inside.  VERY handy.Also, is is USB cable rechargeable - another good feature.Mac-Original Message-
From: Tim Ziegler 
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To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
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Best light I've ever owned. I carry everywhere. It a has a LED light on the end so you can pin point it or you can use the side light at2 different levels of brightness. It lasts for several hours. look it up Mac you'd have one in less then a week.Kind Regards,Timothy J. ZieglerOn Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 8:35 PM M.W.Foscue <mwfos...@earthlink.net> wrote:Probably made in China.And they named it "Mantis" - because when you need it the most, you have too pray that it works!I try to buy ones that allow you to adjust the intensity.  I find with LED lights sometimes "hi" (and even "medium") it too bright on the object of interest.Mac-Original Message-
From: Tim Ziegler 
Sent: Apr 24, 2021 7:44 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Saturday's Small weekend project

I have a small LED with a magnet on the bottom calledthe "Mantis" cob light. check it out as well. This light has a pivot and you can aim the beam in any direction.Very handy thanks for sharingCurt. Kind Regards,Timothy J. ZieglerOn Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 12:05 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:Hello everyoneThis is a cheap project that I think most will like.I went to Harbor Fright. and found this battery operated LED light for $5.00I know others in the group will have to make a different mounting for this light/magnified glass to mount ontothere Legacy's but that should be simple for anyone to do.  For $5.00 is worth the trouble, (at least that's how I see it.) ;-pHave a Great weekend everyone.C.A.G.



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RE: mounted angle ease

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Yep!  Got that right!Mac-Original Message-
From: bulke...@mmnet.com.au
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I guess I could trowel some epoxy on it and paint it to look neat ha ha haNo stuff it is what it is just as well I’m thick skinned guys  its lumpy because I live down under and its dripping as I weld right Mac 😊 BillFrom: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills  Sent: Sunday, 25 April 2021 8:40 AMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: mounted angle ease I still think its a pretty fancy job.  THE Paint helps, hide the wields. ;-p C.A.G. On Saturday, April 24, 2021, 04:43:16 PM EDT,  wrote:  Yes I did preheat the aluminium BillFrom: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills  Sent: Sunday, 25 April 2021 1:29 AMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: mounted angle ease Good morning Bill for thicker alum. you will get better results if you use a torch and heat the alum. before you wield it. I do not like to wield alum. it dose not work like steel. when I have a choice, I will work with bolt, screws, or rivets before wielding on alum.  Having said that, I think you have done a pretty slick job. Thank you for showing us how you did it. C.A.G.On Saturday, April 24, 2021, 12:47:56 AM EDT,  wrote:  Lol yea you got me I’m no welder especially aluminium I only have a stick welder very difficult to weld aluminium with one of those. And I didn’t think when I made it I would be showing it 😊 BillFrom: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills  Sent: Saturday, 24 April 2021 2:19 PMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: mounted angle ease Very nice Bill ! Your designs are Awesome, (although your wielding is somewhat lacking.) ;-p  Thanks for sharing with us. that is some NEAT stuff ! Have a good night. C.A.G.On Friday, April 23, 2021, 09:09:47 AM EDT,  wrote:  https://www.dropbox.com/s/78oroz5plmvsxa1/video.mp4?dl=0 BillFrom: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of timjz...@gmail.comSent: Friday, 23 April 2021 12:56 PMTo: Legacy Ornamental Mills Subject: mounted angle ease




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RE: Saturday's Small weekend project

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Bill,So sorry.  Down Under you will have to pay $55 for it! (Gov't "taxes" & fees, you know!)Mac-Original Message-
From: bulke...@mmnet.com.au
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To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
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Hell yea for 5 bucks I would try anything on the mill BillFrom: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills  Sent: Sunday, 25 April 2021 8:37 AMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Saturday's Small weekend project At this point I do  not know? Bill.I've only used it once, so far it seems to be working, I can get a closer look at the set-up of the cut. I'm not sure if its the Magnification or the light that helps the most. but so far, I feel its worth the $5.00 I spent to buy it. ;-)     C.A.G.On Saturday, April 24, 2021, 04:48:09 PM EDT,  wrote:  Does it have the same problem my plexiglass shield does and cloud up with sawdust . BillFrom: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills  Sent: Sunday, 25 April 2021 3:05 AMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: Saturday's Small weekend project Hello everyone This is a cheap project that I think most will like.I went to Harbor Fright. and found this battery operated LED light for $5.00 I know others in the group will have to make a different mounting for this light/magnified glass to mount ontothere Legacy's but that should be simple for anyone to do.  For $5.00 is worth the trouble, (at least that's how I see it.) ;-p Have a Great weekend everyone. C.A.G.




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RE: Anzac day

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Bill,Get together with others & vote their asses (arses?) OUT!Unfortunately, here in The USA we are being bombarded with a bunch of "cancel culture" - aka "change history".  Sounds like it may have spread to "Down Under" as well.Mac-Original Message-
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Thank you Ray it is sad that it is not respected as much these days the service was banned in Melbourne because of so called covid but the football match across the road wasn’t were 30,000 people can attend without social distancing that did not make the government here very popular at all Bill From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ray LeamanSent: Sunday, 25 April 2021 6:24 AMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Anzac day When my wife and I were last in Melbourne visiting our daughter in 2018 we visited the Anzac memorial there.  We were able to watch the ceremony for Australia's fallen soldiers (I think it may have been a centennial event going back to WWI?). They passed out poppies (flowers) to all who attended. It was quite an impressive and solemn remembrance.  As an American it was an honor to attend such a ceremony for one of our strongest allies in their own homeland. We have not forgotten. Ray On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 3:58 PM  wrote:It is our Anzac day here today it is 5.55 AM here now dawn is just breaking and I am attending our dawn service even thou it is banned here in my stateLest we forget Bill-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/legacy-ornamental-mills/001101d73944%2420e3ac30%2462ab0490%24%40mmnet.com.au.-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/legacy-ornamental-mills/CAEnRCdLPNM2%2BA5ivk2UYLVmW4h9Mfr1k2fO3JjqzRH2PrD6nuQ%40mail.gmail.com.



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Re: Saturday's Small weekend project

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Probably made in China.And they named it "Mantis" - because when you need it the most, you have too pray that it works!I try to buy ones that allow you to adjust the intensity.  I find with LED lights sometimes "hi" (and even "medium") it too bright on the object of interest.Mac-Original Message-
From: Tim Ziegler 
Sent: Apr 24, 2021 7:44 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Saturday's Small weekend project

I have a small LED with a magnet on the bottom calledthe "Mantis" cob light. check it out as well. This light has a pivot and you can aim the beam in any direction.Very handy thanks for sharingCurt. Kind Regards,Timothy J. ZieglerOn Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 12:05 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills  wrote:Hello everyoneThis is a cheap project that I think most will like.I went to Harbor Fright. and found this battery operated LED light for $5.00I know others in the group will have to make a different mounting for this light/magnified glass to mount ontothere Legacy's but that should be simple for anyone to do.  For $5.00 is worth the trouble, (at least that's how I see it.) ;-pHave a Great weekend everyone.C.A.G.



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RE: milling fine pitches with sprockets and chain

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Bill,VERY Nice!Thanks for sharing.Is that second one an image of one of the "Down Under" marsupials you have roaming around on your property?!?!Excellent work on both!Mac-Original Message-
From: bulke...@mmnet.com.au
Sent: Apr 22, 2021 9:33 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: milling fine pitches with sprockets and chain

here is a couple from last year or the year before I can’t remember they are 2 ft long you will have to zoom them in to see properly, the pics don’t really do them justice and I’m no expert scroller either BillFrom: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Tim ZieglerSent: Thursday, 22 April 2021 10:55 PMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: milling fine pitches with sprockets and chain I'd love to see your scrolling work too. Yea depends on the day how fast I decide to go lol. Lot of customers right now do it gets nuts. In shop until 9:00 last night. Well including the rosette I made On Thu, Apr 22, 2021, 7:51 AM  wrote:Yep I’m just a big fat grizzy bear lol in spring and fall I do legacy in winter and summer I scroll saw I’m half way through scrolling a sailing ship I’m doing on that big oval  piece of timber I milled thinner on the legacy and of course I’m still trying to finish off the triple spiral I’m more busy now I’m not working than I ever was before the difference is I’m a dam sight slower now lol BillFrom: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Tim ZieglerSent: Thursday, 22 April 2021 9:01 PMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: milling fine pitches with sprockets and chain lol I wondered why you were so quiet. Didn't know you hibernated in the cold lolKind Regards, Timothy J. Ziegler On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 1:59 AM  wrote:Yes I remembered someone was asking about threads on the legacy this would be the way to cut those finer thread pitches. And no Tim I have not forgotten pics of my nut screwing set up I just haven’t been in the shop for a while we have had a few cold days nothing like you guys get but too cold for my bones. BillFrom: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills  Sent: Thursday, 22 April 2021 4:01 PMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: milling fine pitches with sprockets and chain I remember that.Even today that idea is impressive. When there is a will, there is always a way to get the job done. ;-) Perhaps I will try it, for my self?  Thanks for re-posting this Bill C.A.G. On Thursday, April 22, 2021, 12:45:35 AM EDT,  wrote:  opps there is a typo in the first one I had the word (gear) instead of (sprocket)written in the attachment fixed now Bill From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of bulke...@mmnet.com.auSent: Thursday, 22 April 2021 1:52 PMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: milling fine pitches with sprockets and chain Looking through my legacy stuff on my computer and I found this page of mine on using a chain and sprockets on the mill to cut fine pitches or threads if you use the 60 degree router bit. Now this was for me only so sorry if its not all that clear to follow but I thought I might share, one or 2 of you guys might like it I added a few pics to help. This was pre fire so no more info sorry. Bill




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Re: Legacy Mill Parts

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Tracy,I would like to buy the "Fulll Set of Drive Gears.Thanks.Mac-Original Message-
From: Tracy Smith 
Sent: Apr 19, 2021 10:55 PM
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: Legacy Mill Parts

Here is an update on the parts I have for sale:- Motor and limit switches [pending]- .25x gear set [pending]- Horizontal Vise [pending]- Thin Stock Support [pending]- Circle Cutting Center [pending]- Porter Cable Plunge Router [pending]- Eliminator Chuck [pending]- 1500 sliding tray [pending]I've reached out to those that expressed interest.I still have the following:- 2x gear set- full set of drive gears- Right hand directional assembly- Several odds and ends (pictures attached)- Box of Legacy parts (I will hold this one to the very end). The sale of the model 1200 with the CNC Performance Upgrade didn't work out. We are just too far apart. I'm going to hold on to the rotary table and rotary shaft in hopes it will find a good home with the model 1200. If you have any questions or interest in what I have left, feel free to email me directly at trlsmit...@gmail.com. Part of me is sad to break up a model 1500 but I'm very happy to see the parts get to people that love these machines.Best regards,Tracy



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RE: Material Prices explained

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Michael,Very interesting (and somewhat disturbing).Thanks for sharing your experience (and knowledge).Re: your lake house - You  got it right!  Go For It!!!Mac-Original Message-
From: Michael Kratky 
Sent: Apr 16, 2021 7:56 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Material Prices explained

I work in Code Enforcement the cost of framing lumber has more than doubled but the bigger issue is the quality as it twists, warps and splits so bad to the point that’s its unusable, put a moisture meter on a 2x6 stud yesterday on a construction site and it was 18%, they’re all cut from the very center of the tree. Having said that there a building and home buying boom going on here and I don’t understand where the folks are getting all that money from unless it’s those transitioning from the richer metropolitan areas.   I’m selling my Lake front home soon and plan to capitalize (sorry all you socialists) on the situation. MichaelFrom: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim ZieglerSent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 12:47 PMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Material Prices explained yes of course however he was packing a lot of information into a 10 minute video so I'm thinking he considered most woodworkers know wood has to be dried. Yes air dry average year per inch. pre-drying and Kiln drying approx. 30 days on average. Thanks for your input. Kind Regards, Timothy J. ZieglerOn Thu, Apr 15, 2021 at 8:54 AM Brigitte Graham  wrote:What the guy in the vid clip missed out on was the very necessary months lumber spends in a kiln or the (preferable) 1 year per inch thickness of timber to air dry.You would be asking for all sorts of problems buying timber from a store that had not been properly dried to somewhere around 15% moisture content. Just the same as you wouldn't burn fresh felled firewood.Legacy WidowOn Thu, 15 Apr 2021 at 13:13, timjz...@gmail.com  wrote:I found this video extremely good. short and full of good information.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ssa7yooX3k  Kind regards, Timothy J. Ziegler



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Re: Rotary Shaft

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Curt,Thank you for sharing that photo and info on the connecting shaft.Mac-Original Message-
From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Sent: Apr 13, 2021 9:38 AM
To: "legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com" 
Subject: Re: Rotary Shaft


Hello EveryoneHere is the one's that I made (two in the photo) 1/2" universal swivel joint, wielded onto a home made stop nut. the swivel joints only cost me $4.00 the stop nut was under $1.00, a few tack wields and this is what I've been using for some number of years now.C.A.G.





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Bill - in B'more,  ("Evermore Bill" vs "Down Under Bill")Thanks.  We''ll each need at least two.Let us know what they say.Mac-Original Message-
From: wm.o.he...@gmail.com
Sent: Apr 12, 2021 11:23 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Rotary Shaft

Universal joint - UJ-HD1000x500K | Belden Universal Joints (Requested pricing for 10 ea.)  Mt 2 to Blank End Arbor - Shank MT2 Morse Taper Soft Blank End Arbor -Lathe Mill Drill Teng Type 25 x 30mm - - Amazon.com  Bill in BaltimoreFrom: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M.W.FoscueSent: Monday, April 12, 2021 9:11 PMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Rotary Shaft  Tracy,  Thanks - exactly what I had in mind.Due to the shadow and parallax, I can't tell the diameter of the shaft.  Please let us know.It appears it might be 1/2" ?  For ALL Group members:  Does anyone recognize the U-joints?  Specifically where they may be bought?  And a source for the shaft and Morse Taper adapter too?  Thanks!Mac-Original Message- From: Tracy Smith Sent: Apr 12, 2021 8:27 PM To: Legacy Ornamental Mills Subject: Re: Rotary Shaft Here's a couple more.On Monday, April 12, 2021 at 6:27:21 PM UTC-6 Tracy Smith wrote:Here are the pictures with the shaft rolled slightly.On Monday, April 12, 2021 at 6:26:35 PM UTC-6 Tracy Smith wrote:I've had several people interested and ask questions about the rotary shaft. I know this accessory is very rare.  Mac suggested that I take some close ups.  I hope these are useful. I took a first group of pictures next to a measuring tape, and then rolled it slightly and took the similar pictures.  Tracy



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Re: finding DEAD center on Rotary Table

[M.W.Foscue]

Try "CCM".Heading out to grocery store.Have a quiet evening & stay warm.Mac-Original Message-
From: Tim Ziegler 
Sent: Apr 14, 2021 10:17 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: finding DEAD center on Rotary Table

I could not get that to pop up Was it from CC?Kind Regards,Timothy J. ZieglerOn Wed, Apr 14, 2021 at 8:55 PM M.W.Foscue <mwfos...@earthlink.net> wrote:Tim,Sorry - did not finish the question at end of my last to you:"BTW - Have you made arrangements with..."  I didn't finish it bc I went looking for his name on a comment he made; never found it; and forgot to complete the question.What I was going to ask was "If you had made arrangements with (name I could not find) who I believe lives in NY neat the CT or MA border."  He is the guy that commented your rosette could hold its own against the items he sees displayed in the nearby museum (I think that's the jist of his complement to you re: your most recent rosette you shared here.)Mac-Original Message-
From: Tim Ziegler 
Sent: Apr 14, 2021 9:29 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: finding DEAD center on Rotary Table

I can try and figure out the bit number. Bill was right on it being a round over. I think its a 1 wide so be 1/2 round over. #7501 I'd have to go out and measure it again to be sure. But pretty sure.Kind Regards,Timothy J. ZieglerOn Wed, Apr 14, 2021 at 10:32 AM M.W.Foscue <mwfos...@earthlink.net> wrote:Tim,Can you provide us with the Magnate bit number?  And, if you don't mind, another pic of the bit on a white/light-color background. That way we can more clearly see the profile - especially the tip.BTW - Have you made arrangements with Thanks.Mac-Original Message-
From: bulke...@mmnet.com.au
Sent: Apr 12, 2021 10:33 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: finding DEAD center on Rotary Table

Ok I see now and it looks like a round over bit to me see the pic BillFrom: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Tim ZieglerSent: Monday, 12 April 2021 8:51 PMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: finding DEAD center on Rotary Table yea actually i did use the indexing plate from standard gear set. Every 6 holes. Is that the round over or the rope moulding bit?Kind Regards,Timothy J. ZieglerOn Sun, Apr 11, 2021 at 10:53 PM <bulke...@mmnet.com.au> wrote:Great job tim yes I saw looks like a 1 inch round over bit what was the indexing ¼ turn of the handle ? it doesn’t look like it was done with a index plate  BillFrom: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Tim ZieglerSent: Monday, 12 April 2021 12:44 PMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: finding DEAD center on Rotary Table Ok so I had a huge achievement by using some of the applications suggested. I am still not perfect but I think a couple more tweeks and I can get it to fit withinmy expectations or very close. I cut a new piece found the center, drilled a 1/4 hole part way in. using a dowel pin and double back tape I just attached it to the table. Also recentered my table with rails which should not really affect it but did anyway.Then I drew cross marks on the face same as the back and centered the bit to that.it got very close but will make a center point with a 1/2 drill bit or something and bring it to a point for my dead center. So I believe with all the suggestions and me going out thinking like I was a tooling techI think I have reached or will have once I make the centering pin, I should be set to have great repeatability. I will add some of the pix. Bill one for you with the bit laying in the middle of the part.keep in mind only cedar again and little wood framentation. then when all profiled I went around it with a straight bit. Kind Regards,Timothy J. ZieglerOn Sun, Apr 11, 2021 at 5:22 PM <bulke...@mmnet.com.au> wrote:I don’t centre it I mill it centre even double tape a piece of aluminium to the rotary table to scratch with the pointer as it goes around the middle if you want to be really fussy finding centre but you can be 10 or 15 thou out and no one but you will notice lol 😊 BillFrom: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Tim ZieglerSent: Monday, 12 April 2021 7:57 AMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: finding DEAD center on Rotary Table yup but centering the block is the big issue i believe. Kind Regards, Timothy J. ZieglerOn Sun, Apr 11, 2021 at 4:33 AM <bulke...@mmnet.com.au> wrote:Rotating the table with a pointer in the router you will soon find centre BillFrom: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> Sent: Sunday, 11 April 2021 1:30 PMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: 

Re: finding DEAD center on Rotary Table

[M.W.Foscue]

Tim,Sorry - did not finish the question at end of my last to you:"BTW - Have you made arrangements with..."  I didn't finish it bc I went looking for his name on a comment he made; never found it; and forgot to complete the question.What I was going to ask was "If you had made arrangements with (name I could not find) who I believe lives in NY neat the CT or MA border."  He is the guy that commented your rosette could hold its own against the items he sees displayed in the nearby museum (I think that's the jist of his complement to you re: your most recent rosette you shared here.)Mac-Original Message-
From: Tim Ziegler 
Sent: Apr 14, 2021 9:29 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: finding DEAD center on Rotary Table

I can try and figure out the bit number. Bill was right on it being a round over. I think its a 1 wide so be 1/2 round over. #7501 I'd have to go out and measure it again to be sure. But pretty sure.Kind Regards,Timothy J. ZieglerOn Wed, Apr 14, 2021 at 10:32 AM M.W.Foscue <mwfos...@earthlink.net> wrote:Tim,Can you provide us with the Magnate bit number?  And, if you don't mind, another pic of the bit on a white/light-color background. That way we can more clearly see the profile - especially the tip.BTW - Have you made arrangements with Thanks.Mac-Original Message-
From: bulke...@mmnet.com.au
Sent: Apr 12, 2021 10:33 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: finding DEAD center on Rotary Table

Ok I see now and it looks like a round over bit to me see the pic BillFrom: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Tim ZieglerSent: Monday, 12 April 2021 8:51 PMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: finding DEAD center on Rotary Table yea actually i did use the indexing plate from standard gear set. Every 6 holes. Is that the round over or the rope moulding bit?Kind Regards,Timothy J. ZieglerOn Sun, Apr 11, 2021 at 10:53 PM <bulke...@mmnet.com.au> wrote:Great job tim yes I saw looks like a 1 inch round over bit what was the indexing ¼ turn of the handle ? it doesn’t look like it was done with a index plate  BillFrom: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Tim ZieglerSent: Monday, 12 April 2021 12:44 PMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: finding DEAD center on Rotary Table Ok so I had a huge achievement by using some of the applications suggested. I am still not perfect but I think a couple more tweeks and I can get it to fit withinmy expectations or very close. I cut a new piece found the center, drilled a 1/4 hole part way in. using a dowel pin and double back tape I just attached it to the table. Also recentered my table with rails which should not really affect it but did anyway.Then I drew cross marks on the face same as the back and centered the bit to that.it got very close but will make a center point with a 1/2 drill bit or something and bring it to a point for my dead center. So I believe with all the suggestions and me going out thinking like I was a tooling techI think I have reached or will have once I make the centering pin, I should be set to have great repeatability. I will add some of the pix. Bill one for you with the bit laying in the middle of the part.keep in mind only cedar again and little wood framentation. then when all profiled I went around it with a straight bit. Kind Regards,Timothy J. ZieglerOn Sun, Apr 11, 2021 at 5:22 PM <bulke...@mmnet.com.au> wrote:I don’t centre it I mill it centre even double tape a piece of aluminium to the rotary table to scratch with the pointer as it goes around the middle if you want to be really fussy finding centre but you can be 10 or 15 thou out and no one but you will notice lol 😊 BillFrom: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Tim ZieglerSent: Monday, 12 April 2021 7:57 AMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: finding DEAD center on Rotary Table yup but centering the block is the big issue i believe. Kind Regards, Timothy J. ZieglerOn Sun, Apr 11, 2021 at 4:33 AM <bulke...@mmnet.com.au> wrote:Rotating the table with a pointer in the router you will soon find centre BillFrom: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> Sent: Sunday, 11 April 2021 1:30 PMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: finding DEAD center on Rotary Table HI Tim I have found the easiest way for me, is to use the "drill center hole" idea.  Then use a pointer mounted in the router of the Legacy. and align the table and the router, then you can use that for your 0 mark/ reference point, Once this table and Router are aligned you can touch off any know point, to take you measurements from. C.A.G.On Saturday, April 10, 2

RE: finding DEAD center on Rotary Table

[M.W.Foscue]

Tim,Can you provide us with the Magnate bit number?  And, if you don't mind, another pic of the bit on a white/light-color background. That way we can more clearly see the profile - especially the tip.BTW - Have you made arrangements with Thanks.Mac-Original Message-
From: bulke...@mmnet.com.au
Sent: Apr 12, 2021 10:33 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: finding DEAD center on Rotary Table

Ok I see now and it looks like a round over bit to me see the pic Bill From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Tim ZieglerSent: Monday, 12 April 2021 8:51 PMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: finding DEAD center on Rotary Table yea actually i did use the indexing plate from standard gear set. Every 6 holes. Is that the round over or the rope moulding bit?Kind Regards, Timothy J. ZieglerZiegler WoodWork & Specialty14171 160th Ave.Foreston MN 56330 320-294-5798 shop320-630-2243 cell  On Sun, Apr 11, 2021 at 10:53 PM  wrote:Great job tim yes I saw looks like a 1 inch round over bit what was the indexing ¼ turn of the handle ? it doesn’t look like it was done with a index plate  Bill From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Tim ZieglerSent: Monday, 12 April 2021 12:44 PMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: finding DEAD center on Rotary Table Ok so I had a huge achievement by using some of the applications suggested. I am still not perfect but I think a couple more tweeks and I can get it to fit withinmy expectations or very close. I cut a new piece found the center, drilled a 1/4 hole part way in. using a dowel pin and double back tape I just attached it to the table. Also recentered my table with rails which should not really affect it but did anyway.Then I drew cross marks on the face same as the back and centered the bit to that.it got very close but will make a center point with a 1/2 drill bit or something and bring it to a point for my dead center. So I believe with all the suggestions and me going out thinking like I was a tooling techI think I have reached or will have once I make the centering pin, I should be set to have great repeatability. I will add some of the pix. Bill one for you with the bit laying in the middle of the part.keep in mind only cedar again and little wood framentation. then when all profiled I went around it with a straight bit. Kind Regards, Timothy J. ZieglerZiegler WoodWork & Specialty14171 160th Ave.Foreston MN 56330 320-294-5798 shop320-630-2243 cell  On Sun, Apr 11, 2021 at 5:22 PM  wrote:I don’t centre it I mill it centre even double tape a piece of aluminium to the rotary table to scratch with the pointer as it goes around the middle if you want to be really fussy finding centre but you can be 10 or 15 thou out and no one but you will notice lol 😊 Bill From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Tim ZieglerSent: Monday, 12 April 2021 7:57 AMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: finding DEAD center on Rotary Table yup but centering the block is the big issue i believe. Kind Regards, Timothy J. ZieglerZiegler WoodWork & Specialty14171 160th Ave.Foreston MN 56330 320-294-5798 shop320-630-2243 cell  On Sun, Apr 11, 2021 at 4:33 AM  wrote:Rotating the table with a pointer in the router you will soon find centre  Bill  From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills  Sent: Sunday, 11 April 2021 1:30 PMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: finding DEAD center on Rotary Table HI Tim I have found the easiest way for me, is to use the "drill center hole" idea.  Then use a pointer mounted in the router of the Legacy. and align the table and the router, then you can use that for your 0 mark/ reference point, Once this table and Router are aligned you can touch off any know point, to take you measurements from. C.A.G. On Saturday, April 10, 2021, 11:13:34 PM EDT, timjz...@gmail.com  wrote:   Ok all you rosette guru's or rotary table users,I have a question and I want some serious inputhere on my subject. My whole WoodCraft Ind. careerI worked in the tool room as a Tooling Tech, so withthat said I worked with 10/thousands and even tightertolerances much lick anyone out there that is a machinist.Ok so my point is even with cross marks on my table andlining up a perfectly square piece with corners to lines Its still hard to find dead center. Now I have consideredboring a centering hole in my work piece but should nothave too. I also find the center of my work piece and centerthe bit. So my point is I have a lot of skill centering butsome how I am not always hitting the center. Yes I have a square work piece. What are some of your secrets for finding DEAD center. Has anyone tried touching off the corners or?Usually y

RE: Rotary Shaft

[M.W.Foscue]

Bill - in B'more,  ("Evermore Bill" vs "Down Under Bill")Thanks.  We''ll each need at least two.Let us know what they say.Mac-Original Message-
From: wm.o.he...@gmail.com
Sent: Apr 12, 2021 11:23 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Rotary Shaft

Universal joint - UJ-HD1000x500K | Belden Universal Joints (Requested pricing for 10 ea.) Mt 2 to Blank End Arbor - Shank MT2 Morse Taper Soft Blank End Arbor -Lathe Mill Drill Teng Type 25 x 30mm - - Amazon.com Bill in Baltimore  From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M.W.FoscueSent: Monday, April 12, 2021 9:11 PMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Rotary Shaft Tracy, Thanks - exactly what I had in mind.Due to the shadow and parallax, I can't tell the diameter of the shaft.  Please let us know.It appears it might be 1/2" ? For ALL Group members:  Does anyone recognize the U-joints?  Specifically where they may be bought?  And a source for the shaft and Morse Taper adapter too? Thanks!Mac-Original Message- From: Tracy Smith Sent: Apr 12, 2021 8:27 PM To: Legacy Ornamental Mills Subject: Re: Rotary Shaft Here's a couple more.On Monday, April 12, 2021 at 6:27:21 PM UTC-6 Tracy Smith wrote:Here are the pictures with the shaft rolled slightly.On Monday, April 12, 2021 at 6:26:35 PM UTC-6 Tracy Smith wrote:I've had several people interested and ask questions about the rotary shaft. I know this accessory is very rare. Mac suggested that I take some close ups. I hope these are useful. I took a first group of pictures next to a measuring tape, and then rolled it slightly and took the similar pictures. Tracy-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/legacy-ornamental-mills/559439421.7705.1618276268078%40wamui-bison.atl.sa.earthlink.net.



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Re: Rotary Shaft

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Tracy,Thanks - exactly what I had in mind.Due to the shadow and parallax, I can't tell the diameter of the shaft.  Please let us know.It appears it might be 1/2" ?For ALL Group members:  Does anyone recognize the U-joints?  Specifically where they may be bought?  And a source for the shaft and Morse Taper adapter too?Thanks!Mac-Original Message-
From: Tracy Smith 
Sent: Apr 12, 2021 8:27 PM
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: Re: Rotary Shaft

Here's a couple more.On Monday, April 12, 2021 at 6:27:21 PM UTC-6 Tracy Smith wrote:Here are the pictures with the shaft rolled slightly.On Monday, April 12, 2021 at 6:26:35 PM UTC-6 Tracy Smith wrote:I've had several people interested and ask questions about the rotary shaft. I know this accessory is very rare.Mac suggested that I take some close ups.I hope these are useful. I took a first group of pictures next to a measuring tape, and then rolled it slightly and took the similar pictures.Tracy






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RE: ribbon wave

[M.W.Foscue]

Bill,It is "ART"!  NOT firewood!!What a BEAUTIFUL piece of wood!If you ever have a chance  round some me up,  I suggest that you jump on it!!!I can assure  - there IS a "buyer" for your "art" out there!You will find her/him - be patient.Mac-Original Message-
From: bulke...@mmnet.com.au
Sent: Apr 11, 2021 5:14 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: ribbon wave

It’s the other piece of the unknown wood I used on the ribbon twist spiral sorry. And the sheld no I need a 100 percent sheld I have a dust allergy without a mask on I coff and snezz really bad that’s why I don’t talk on my videos I can’t, after I have to sit by the air purifier for quiet a while. Bill From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills  Sent: Monday, 12 April 2021 12:30 AMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: ribbon wave Beautiful wood Bill, what kind is it? I think that Wavy Ribbon twist is pretty neat.I would Chalk it up as, ART and learning experience. I enjoyed watching your video. Thank you. One question.  You use a Plexiglas shield on your REVO, Have you though of trying window screen? I don't know how it would work for photographing but I have found it works better then I had expected, the air goes through but the chips just fall down. Have a good day. C.A.G. On Sunday, April 11, 2021, 04:57:22 AM EDT, bulke...@mmnet.com.au  wrote:   https://youtu.be/HTUtQKJQroo well I did what was suppose to be a ribbon wave I used the smallest g gear and the widest wave the attachment will do and it turned out terrible nothing at all like a wavy ribbon at all lol. so I either made art or firewood I’m going with firewood I don’t like it at all but even so I did a quick video to show what not to do to make a ribbon wave.  Bill-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/legacy-ornamental-mills/001801d72eb0%24a8e460a0%24faad21e0%24%40mmnet.com.au.-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/legacy-ornamental-mills/206572410.426692.1618151425847%40mail.yahoo.com.



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Re: finding DEAD center on Rotary Table

[M.W.Foscue]

Tim,I think what Curtis is pointing out is:You may have marked DEAD Center on the Rotary Table - BUT, if you don't have that point perfectly in line with the center line of the LOM, when you start milling (cutting rosettes), that slight misalignment will make itself known to you quickly.Be Safe & do Good!Mac-Original Message-
From: Tim Ziegler 
Sent: Apr 10, 2021 11:38 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: finding DEAD center on Rotary Table

Thanks Curt,Ok that all sounds good then finding the center to start your rosette is the challenge. I even started with center lines and set the bit in the exact dead center so I thought. h. better sleep on it. lol its getting late here. Kind Regards,Timothy J. ZieglerOn Sat, Apr 10, 2021 at 10:30 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills  wrote:
HI TimI have found the easiest way for me, is to use the "drill center hole" idea.  Then use a pointer mounted in the router of the Legacy. and align the table and the router, then you can use that for your 0 mark/ reference point, Once this table and Router are aligned you can touch off any know point, to take you measurements from.C.A.G.





On Saturday, April 10, 2021, 11:13:34 PM EDT, timjz...@gmail.com  wrote:



Ok all you rosette guru's or rotary table users,I have a question and I want some serious inputhere on my subject. My whole WoodCraft Ind. careerI worked in the tool room as a Tooling Tech, so withthat said I worked with 10/thousands and even tightertolerances much lick anyone out there that is a machinist.Ok so my point is even with cross marks on my table andlining up a perfectly square piece with corners to lines Its still hard to find dead center. Now I have consideredboring a centering hole in my work piece but should nothave too. I also find the center of my work piece and centerthe bit. So my point is I have a lot of skill centering butsome how I am not always hitting the center. Yes I have a square work piece. What are some of your secrets for finding DEAD center. Has anyone tried touching off the corners or?Usually you don't realize your out of center until you go around it with a bit especially if you are doing a sunburst or something. Lets dig up some good suggestions I need repeatability not hitand miss. Thanks



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RE: Cutting threads in wood w/router bit

[M.W.Foscue]

Ok - I got it.So - how did you get a nut ~6" deep threaded?   Go 3" in  - then turn the nut around and cut threads from the inside to the outside?Mac-Original Message-
From: bulke...@mmnet.com.au
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To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Cutting threads in wood w/router bit

No because the bolt is longer than the router bit, the internal threading bit can only do about 3 inches of thread where the bolt is like 16 inches long BillFrom: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M.W.FoscueSent: Saturday, 10 April 2021 11:23 AMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: Cutting threads in wood w/router bit Bill,Thanks.Wouldn't you use the same bit for both internal AND external threads (nut and "screw/bolt")?Mac-Original Message- From: bulke...@mmnet.com.au Sent: Apr 9, 2021 5:54 PM To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Cutting threads in wood w/router bit Yep that’s the cutter for internal wood threads 60 degrees for metal 90degrees for wood yes it’s the angle of the valley as you say. 90 is the traditional angle but some others do 60 BillFrom: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M.W.FoscueSent: Saturday, 10 April 2021 12:24 AMTo: LOM Group Subject: Cutting threads in wood w/router bit Hi ya'll, New Topic here: The below link is to a router bit sold by Magnate.It is described as one for cutting threads in wood - with a 90º angle.Bill, you (and maybe others) discussed the angle of the "the valley" the cutter makes - that it is different for metal vs wood.Is it also different for hard woods vs soft woods? Has anyone used the below Magnate bit to make threads? https://www.ebay.com/itm/153156308964?ul_noapp=true Have a Safe & Fun-filled weekend!Mac




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RE: Cutting threads in wood w/router bit

[M.W.Foscue]

Bill,Thanks.Wouldn't you use the same bit for both internal AND external threads (nut and "screw/bolt")?Mac-Original Message-
From: bulke...@mmnet.com.au
Sent: Apr 9, 2021 5:54 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Cutting threads in wood w/router bit

Yep that’s the cutter for internal wood threads 60 degrees for metal 90degrees for wood yes it’s the angle of the valley as you say. 90 is the traditional angle but some others do 60 BillFrom: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M.W.FoscueSent: Saturday, 10 April 2021 12:24 AMTo: LOM Group Subject: Cutting threads in wood w/router bit Hi ya'll, New Topic here: The below link is to a router bit sold by Magnate.It is described as one for cutting threads in wood - with a 90º angle.Bill, you (and maybe others) discussed the angle of the "the valley" the cutter makes - that it is different for metal vs wood.Is it also different for hard woods vs soft woods? Has anyone used the below Magnate bit to make threads? https://www.ebay.com/itm/153156308964?ul_noapp=true Have a Safe & Fun-filled weekend!Mac



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Re: Cutting threads in wood w/router bit

[M.W.Foscue]

Tim,I figured you are very ready to start turning boxes with lids that screw on/off - and have a rosette embellishing the top of the screw-on lid!!  LoL!!Have a Great weekend - and stay off the ice!   Spring WILL come to Min-e-soda; someday!!Mac-Original Message-
From: Tim Ziegler 
Sent: Apr 9, 2021 1:29 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Cutting threads in wood w/router bit

Dont' know if I'm ready for threads yet. I need to get the rosettes mastered. lolThanks for sharing that Mac.Kind Regards,Timothy J. ZieglerOn Fri, Apr 9, 2021 at 9:23 AM M.W.Foscue <mwfos...@earthlink.net> wrote:Hi ya'll,New Topic here:The below link is to a router bit sold by Magnate.It is described as one for cutting threads in wood - with a 90º angle.Bill, you (and maybe others) discussed the angle of the "the valley" the cutter makes - that it is different for metal vs wood.Is it also different for hard woods vs soft woods?Has anyone used the below Magnate bit to make threads?https://www.ebay.com/itm/153156308964?ul_noapp=trueHave a Safe & Fun-filled weekend!Mac



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Cutting threads in wood w/router bit

[M.W.Foscue]

Hi ya'll,New Topic here:The below link is to a router bit sold by Magnate.It is described as one for cutting threads in wood - with a 90º angle.Bill, you (and maybe others) discussed the angle of the "the valley" the cutter makes - that it is different for metal vs wood.Is it also different for hard woods vs soft woods?Has anyone used the below Magnate bit to make threads?https://www.ebay.com/itm/153156308964?ul_noapp=trueHave a Safe & Fun-filled weekend!Mac



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Re: Re:

[M.W.Foscue]

Curt (and Jim),I agree with you, Curt.Jim, please post some photos here of your "1-2-3-4-5-6-7 gears".Are the numbers (labels) "Factory originals"?  Or applied/written on them by a previous owner?Thanks.Mac-Original Message-
From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Sent: Apr 8, 2021 12:43 AM
To: "legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com" 
Subject: Re: Re:


Hello Jim1-7? On the Wood Chuck's gear chart, they counted the teeth of each gear. when Phantom become Legacy they used the A-F and picture matching of the gear size, on there gear charts.Phantom/Wood Chuck and early Legacy's gears were all fine cut small teeth on there gears. Later when Legacy bought there new building and there Laser, the gears teeth become larger (more beefy)Could you take a photo of what you have? this way we all can see it, Perhaps someone in the group will know exactly what you have if they saw, what you have.C.A.G.





On Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 12:47:57 PM EDT, 4 Jim Carpenter  wrote:



Question, the index (pitch) set I have are marked 1-2-3-4-5-6-7 , are there different teeth counts than the A-B-C's ?On Sat, Apr 3, 2021 at 11:34 PM  wrote:Maybe these pics will make it clearer now the numbers in the graph are gear pitches not the dia of the gear, always go by the number of teeth to know the size of the gear BillFrom: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of bulke...@mmnet.com.auSent: Sunday, 4 April 2021 2:22 PMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: I just hope legacy has them for you Brett, just make sure you say the A,B,C,D,E,F and G gears in your case you already have the B gear BillFrom: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Brett GigerSent: Sunday, 4 April 2021 11:38 AMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject:  Now I need to get the drive gear set,it's what I should if bought all along



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Re: Rosette w/wave

[M.W.Foscue]

Tim,Looks like a great start.  Quite intricate - the "opposite" of what you indicated your bride wants.  LoLI'd suggest you practice your "technique" and patterns using MDF.Should be less cost - and you don't get distracted by the "grain" issues.Allows you to "See the Forest(on) - without the trees!" Mac-Original Message-
From: "timjz...@gmail.com" 
Sent: Apr 7, 2021 2:26 PM
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: Rosette w/wave

Hey I know this is not perfect and has a lot of flaws but I went out last night with one thingon my mind make a Rosette using the CG style wave attachment and this is what I came up with.The outside is not complete as it was getting latebut look at the design. the options are endless. yes chipping ever were as the bit needs a little sharpening but Kind regards,Tim J. Ziegler




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Re: Interesting musical instrument - Made w/a LOM?

[M.W.Foscue]

Tim,Standby.  The info may (will?) appear here - hopefully.(Possibly a "regular"; possibly a "lurker"?) Mac-Original Message-
From: Tim Ziegler 
Sent: Apr 7, 2021 1:37 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Interesting musical instrument - Made w/a LOM?

Thats a pretty cool instrument thanks for sharing that Mac.What makes you think LOM on it Mac, I was checking it out.Kind Regards,Timothy J. ZieglerOn Wed, Apr 7, 2021 at 11:16 AM M.W.Foscue <mwfos...@earthlink.net> wrote:Hi ya'll,Starting this as a New Thread/ Topic.I came across this video while on eBay.It appears that someone may be making these - using a LOM!Any idea as to who it might be?Maybe Tim Krause knows them.Be sure to watch the video!   Beautiful music from a string instrument I have never seen nor heard of; and I'll be most in The Group have not either!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zs3aUCM8BX8Enjoy!Mac



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Interesting musical instrument - Made w/a LOM?

[M.W.Foscue]

Hi ya'll,Starting this as a New Thread/ Topic.I came across this video while on eBay.It appears that someone may be making these - using a LOM!Any idea as to who it might be?Maybe Tim Krause knows them.Be sure to watch the video!   Beautiful music from a string instrument I have never seen nor heard of; and I'll be most in The Group have not either!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zs3aUCM8BX8Enjoy!Mac



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Re: Ribbon twist spiral

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Tim,You are not alone.Bill,Thank you for doing the video - it is one of your best!I Really enjoyed it.And the "end result"? WOW - that's a BEAUTIFUL piece.  I'd really like to know what that piece of "whatever it is wood" is!  My luck will be it is some piece from "The Outback" (not the steakhouse Joe and Tim) - that cannot be exported.You have to incorporate it into one of your projects.Perhaps all it needs is a nice base and a "title".  After that - sell it on-line!(I can see it now.  Roger or Richard are thinking of "Titles" for it - like "Duke of Knottingham" or "Duchess of Warpingswood"!  LoL!!)Thanks again.Mac-Original Message-
From: Tim Ziegler 
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To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Ribbon twist spiral

Bill don't slight yourself. Its very interesting and I for one really appreciate detail. It was a very nicely done video. I pick up a lot and am a visual person so its a hugebenefit.  Thanks again for all your doing and sharing. I'm pretty sure others must enjoy it as well. Kind Regards,Timothy J. ZieglerZiegler WoodWork & Specialty14171 160th Ave.Foreston MN 56330320-294-5798 shop320-630-2243 cellOn Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 11:45 PM  wrote:I know it not very interesting but how it’s done I felt needed to be shown. Bill From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills  Sent: Wednesday, 7 April 2021 2:02 PMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Ribbon twist spiral Very Nice ! Thank you Bill. C.A.G. On Tuesday, April 6, 2021, 05:48:55 AM EDT, bulke...@mmnet.com.au  wrote:   Ok here we go a ribbon twist spiralhttps://youtu.be/YkGSMtixW1c made from a 2 inch square piece of whatever it is wood lol 11 ¼ long I didn’t have a long enough spiral router bit so I had to use what I had  Bill-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/legacy-ornamental-mills/001801d72aca%240ae5ed40%2420b1c7c0%24%40mmnet.com.au.-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/legacy-ornamental-mills/644320483.145942.1617768120153%40mail.yahoo.com.



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Re: Happy Easter

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Spot on, Mike!He is Risen - Indeed!Thanks - and Happy Easter back at you!Mac-Original Message-
From: "Okla Mike (Liltwisted)" 
Sent: Apr 4, 2021 1:24 PM
To: Mike Pung 
Subject: Happy Easter



  
  
Rejoice!
You fill in the rest.  
  
For me it be cause "He has risen!"
And for Cadbury eggs of course.  Spring is around
the corner in the northern and fall is coming for heat relief in
the southern hemisphere.  This should put us lega-maniacs in the
best temperatures for creativity.   Onward and upward and a
lil-twisted my fellow dust bunnies!
Mike OK

  







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Re:

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Hi Guys & Gals,Happy Easter!This "No Subject" thread has really gone squirrelly - all sorts of  "topics" popping up on it.In order to be able to easily (maybe I should say "possibly"?) find the discussion of the Topic later - we need to do our best to "Stay on Topic" based on the Subject line.If you have an "off topic" question or comment - PLEASE post it with a Subject line related to your question/topic.  And: a "no subject" Subject line should not be used either.  PLEASE remember to fill in the Subject line before you even type your question (so you don't forget to go back and add it later).Thanks!Mac-Original Message-
From: 'Denson Ingram' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
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Subject: Re:

Thanks Tim.I’ll check Bill outThanksSent from Denson's iPhoneOn Apr 4, 2021, at 10:46 AM, Tim Ziegler  wrote:Hey Denson, Bill should pick up on that question. You should see his big nut and bolt. Being its Easter not surewho might be on line today. But I know he has done a lot of it. Kind Regards,Timothy J. ZieglerZiegler WoodWork & Specialty14171 160th Ave.Foreston MN 56330320-294-5798 shop320-630-2243 cellOn Sun, Apr 4, 2021 at 10:39 AM 'Denson Ingram' via Legacy Ornamental Mills  wrote:Hi gentlemen,Has anyone turned threads on the legacy?I want to make some 2” diameter threaded wooden rods.Thanks in advance.Sent from Denson's iPhoneOn Apr 3, 2021, at 11:34 PM, bulke...@mmnet.com.au wrote:Maybe these pics will make it clearer now the numbers in the graph are gear pitches not the dia of the gear, always go by the number of teeth to know the size of the gear Bill From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of bulke...@mmnet.com.auSent: Sunday, 4 April 2021 2:22 PMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: I just hope legacy has them for you Brett, just make sure you say the A,B,C,D,E,F and G gears in your case you already have the B gear Bill From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Brett GigerSent: Sunday, 4 April 2021 11:38 AMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject:  Now I need to get the drive gear set,it's what I should if bought all along-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/legacy-ornamental-mills/CAHoUWTsCH-SP5j9utJfJ3wcT0ekPra%3D6GQ-gO7L0xfUnZ4gU4A%40mail.gmail.com.-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/legacy-ornamental-mills/003601d7290a%2406003e50%241200baf0%24%40mmnet.com.au.



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Re:

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Brett,Why don't you post photos of ALL the gears you have.I suggest you put a letter or number on each one in the photos.Also - specify which one(s) was/were the ones you got from Cindy.That way when one of us reply back, we can use the number on each gear we are telling you about. That is very simple and will avoid a LOT of confusion.Mac-Original Message-
From: Brett Giger 
Sent: Apr 3, 2021 12:08 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: 

Hey Bill I tryed to send you a pic of my gear set up I guess it didn't go thru, but it seems I can only use 1 if these 2x I need more small gears for the other one to wo



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Re:

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John,It has been my experience the Cindy ALWAYS knows what she is doing.  She probably knows more than Andy does when it comes to the LOM and Customer Service!  LoL!!Mac-Original Message-
From: John Hennen 
Sent: Apr 2, 2021 10:44 AM
To: "legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com" 
Subject: Re:

Usually Cindy does know what she is doing.  Glad you verified it before you called Legacy.On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 8:40 AM Brett Giger  wrote:Yeah once I got home I realized it is the two times gear set my bad I was just expecting all the small gears too for some reasonOn Thu, Apr 1, 2021, 11:38 PM   wrote:Next time ask specifically for the 2X multiplier gear set and the .25 reduction gear set and any of the A,B,C,D,E and F gears you don’t have that covers all the pitches accept for the ones the 4X set covers which is pretty much impossible to get anywhere. BillFrom: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Brett GigerSent: Friday, 2 April 2021 3:29 PMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: I said I needed all the pitches I could get and that I had the standard gear set upOn Thu, Apr 1, 2021, 8:34 PM  wrote:If it’s the same as you already have how is that good don’t you want gears you don’t have? BillFrom: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Brett GigerSent: Friday, 2 April 2021 1:36 PMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject:  Great day I finally got my gears and it's two of the same that I already have super 200 bucks worth nice



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Re: Re:

[M.W.Foscue]

Brett,What gears did you receive?Curtis is correct - there were the 3 "Gear Sets" like he said - and 7 "Drive Gears"usually referred to by their letter designations: "A" thru "G".Please take some pics of the gears you have - and in another photo, the gears youreceived in your recent order.I am sure someone here will be able to tell you what you have and also what you need.Once you have done that - THEN you can call Cindy - and like Curtis suggested - ask her nicely if there was some kind of mistake and if she could help you correct the issue you haveHave a memorable Good Friday and a Happy Easter to you and yours.Mac-Original Message-
From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Sent: Apr 2, 2021 12:48 AM
To: "legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com" 
Subject: Re: Re:


Woops! I am sorry to hear that there was a mess up.  Check your order, perhaps they sent you the wrong set? Legacy made three gear sets for most of there machines, the standard, the .25 reduction gear set, and the X 2 gear set. and I think that there were 8 drive gears?I would call Cindy and ask nicely if  there was some kind of mistake? and if she could help you correct the error.Wish you luck.C.A.G.





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I said I needed all the pitches I could get and that I had the standard gear set upOn Thu, Apr 1, 2021, 8:34 PM   wrote:If it’s the same as you already have how is that good don’t you want gears you don’t have? BillFrom: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Brett GigerSent: Friday, 2 April 2021 1:36 PMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject:  Great day I finally got my gears and it's two of the same that I already have super 200 bucks worth nice



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RE: Dust collection on the Legacy (by Brett)

[M.W.Foscue]

Bill,Got it.  Thanks.  I now understand.Mac-Original Message-
From: bulke...@mmnet.com.au
Sent: Mar 29, 2021 1:06 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Dust collection on the Legacy (by Brett)

Sorry mac that’s all I have its from herehttp://benchmark.20m.com/tools/LegacyMill/LegacyJigs/legacyjigs.html BillFrom: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M.W.FoscueSent: Monday, 29 March 2021 3:56 PMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: Dust collection on the Legacy (by Brett) Bill,Nice - thanks for sharing.The second "modification" you described on that attached sheet is a "movable four post raise mechanism".Unfortunately, you did not include a photo or drawing of it.  If possible, will you send out any photos or drawings you may have of that movable four post raise mechanism?Thanks.Mac-Original Message- From: bulke...@mmnet.com.au Sent: Mar 28, 2021 8:57 PM To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Dust collection on the Legacy (by Brett) Here is a homemade one BillFrom: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of bulke...@mmnet.com.auSent: Monday, 29 March 2021 11:19 AMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: Dust collection on the Legacy (by Brett) Here are some pics I grabbed oneday from the net showing the dust capturing shields they had note the red bag underneath and the plastic strips hanging over the router.BillFrom: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of bulke...@mmnet.com.auSent: Monday, 29 March 2021 10:43 AMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: Dust collection on the Legacy (by Brett) Well this one is out of my league I personally let the chips fly it helps slow down clogging the mill and making things tight I just sweep up and vacuum when the job is finished or after several jobs usually when I drop something and can’t find it lol. on my revo I use plexiglass shielding this keeps the dust off me and mainly on the floor under the mill where its easier to clean up that’s about it legacy did make plastic striping they hung around the router but I didn’t like it I like to see it cutting. BillFrom: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills  Sent: Monday, 29 March 2021 9:22 AMTo: Legacy ornamental mills Subject: Dust collection on the Legacy (by Brett) Hey Tim I hate bugging you guys with such fundamentals ,I need some advise with dust collection, my wife's about had it lol ,I can't decide which collector I want to buy and also I figured you guy have the bugs worked out, my machine didn't come with the stock intake port or anything like that any ideas??




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RE: Dust collection on the Legacy (by Brett)

[M.W.Foscue]

Bill,Nice - thanks for sharing.The second "modification" you described on that attached sheet is a "movable four post raise mechanism".Unfortunately, you did not include a photo or drawing of it.  If possible, will you send out any photos or drawings you may have of that movable four post raise mechanism?Thanks.Mac-Original Message-
From: bulke...@mmnet.com.au
Sent: Mar 28, 2021 8:57 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Dust collection on the Legacy (by Brett)

Here is a homemade one BillFrom: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of bulke...@mmnet.com.auSent: Monday, 29 March 2021 11:19 AMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: Dust collection on the Legacy (by Brett) Here are some pics I grabbed oneday from the net showing the dust capturing shields they had note the red bag underneath and the plastic strips hanging over the router.BillFrom: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of bulke...@mmnet.com.auSent: Monday, 29 March 2021 10:43 AMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: Dust collection on the Legacy (by Brett) Well this one is out of my league I personally let the chips fly it helps slow down clogging the mill and making things tight I just sweep up and vacuum when the job is finished or after several jobs usually when I drop something and can’t find it lol. on my revo I use plexiglass shielding this keeps the dust off me and mainly on the floor under the mill where its easier to clean up that’s about it legacy did make plastic striping they hung around the router but I didn’t like it I like to see it cutting. BillFrom: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills  Sent: Monday, 29 March 2021 9:22 AMTo: Legacy ornamental mills Subject: Dust collection on the Legacy (by Brett) Hey Tim I hate bugging you guys with such fundamentals ,I need some advise with dust collection, my wife's about had it lol ,I can't decide which collector I want to buy and also I figured you guy have the bugs worked out, my machine didn't come with the stock intake port or anything like that any ideas?? 




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RE: triple hollow spiral

[M.W.Foscue]

Wow - sorry to hear that that table was one of the many things you lost in the fire.Do you happen to have any photos of it that "survived"?Mac-Original Message-
From: bulke...@mmnet.com.au
Sent: Mar 24, 2021 12:40 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: triple hollow spiral

Wood types your guess would be better than mine I don’t know American woods accept for fame box elder I bought lots of it from AmericaBefore the fire now all I can say is it burns well ☹ I had a heart shaped one natural edge about 3 ½ foot dia and 2 inches thick so full of red it was beautiful it cost me $1000 with postage back when our dollar was the same as yours I had three 6inch dia spiral legs on it  it was my house coffee tableI was very sad to lose that I will never ever get another. And yes its really good shop weather here right now I love it. BillFrom: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M.W.FoscueSent: Wednesday, 24 March 2021 11:25 AMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: triple hollow spiral Bill, That's a nice one - not a style you see often (ever?)  Looks to be ambrosia maple inner and walnut(?) outer.Yours is certainly one all of us are looking forward to seeing in its final state. Like I said - I'm not at all certain that I've seen a triple - just had it vaguely in my mind that I might have.  Maybe it was my mind, thinking like you did - and "envisioned" it - with thoughts of one day seeing a real one (or worse yet - Making one!).  LoL.Since no one else has come out and said they have seen or made one - the triple must have been a figment of my imagination.  Has it cooled down enough for you to enjoy lots more time in your shop?  Hope so.Cheers!Mac-Original Message- From: bulke...@mmnet.com.au Sent: Mar 23, 2021 6:48 PM To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: triple hollow spiral That would be right mac totally stuff up my swelled head I’m hoping it was my original triplePic you saw lol do you think I give a shit if some one out does me I gave up penis measuring years ago when I found out everyone’s was bigger than mine ha ha ha  All I can tell you is years ago when I first saw a double and asked if any one has done 3 no one had heard of it so I made mine this is the one that got me started his out side spiral is thicker which makes it stronger I wanted to me more ornate if you like and see more of the inner ones my advice is to do his first and work up BillFrom: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M.W.FoscueSent: Wednesday, 24 March 2021 8:48 AMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: triple hollow spiral Bill,I believe I have seen one before - many years ago.  I'm trying to recall if it was on one of the Legacy promotional handouts or videos or if it was included in a CraigsList or eBay posting.   If in a CL or eB post, then it was where the LOM owner was selling their machine and included the photo as part of the post - showing what the Mill was capable of doing.  Am I "dreaming" - or does anyone else in The Group recall seeing a "triple spiral"?  Bill - I don't mean to take away from what you are doing.  You are a true craftsman - and a HUGE asset to The Group.  At this point I'm seeking a "sanity check" - as to whether I was dreaming or correct in my memory. LoL!Tim (and Bill?):  FOR SURE - I have NEVER seen a Quad Spiral - so whomever does one - will be The First I have seen!Thanks again for ALL you hard work that you share with us, Bill.Mac-Original Message- From: bulke...@mmnet.com.au Sent: Mar 23, 2021 5:26 PM To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: triple hollow spiral Yes mac, someone please beat me and video it so I can stop making these dam videos lolAnd yes as far as I know I’m the only one to mill a triple spiral others before me have done doubles but not triples. BillFrom: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M.W.FoscueSent: Wednesday, 24 March 2021 5:01 AMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: triple hollow spiral Tim, In a previous post - I sensed that Bill "threw down his gauntlet" when he said this would be the first "Triple Spiral" made on a LOM. It is now your "mission" (challenge from Bill?) to make a "Quad Spiral"!  LoL! Mac-Original Message- From: Tim Ziegler Sent: Mar 23, 2021 1:48 PM To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: triple hollow spiral Oh that will be cool. I still need to do one of those but I better get good at what I'm doing now first.Kind Regards, Timothy J. ZieglerOn Tue, Mar 23, 2021 at 9:37 AM  wrote:I still have the last spiral to make then I will post pics of each piece and the 3 put together After all that I will sand them and stain them and make tops and bottoms this triple is going to be a stand in my house to put my big nut and bolt on. BillFrom: 'Curt Geo

RE: triple hollow spiral

[M.W.Foscue]

Bill,That's a nice one - not a style you see often (ever?)  Looks to be ambrosia maple inner and walnut(?) outer.Yours is certainly one all of us are looking forward to seeing in its final state.Like I said - I'm not at all certain that I've seen a triple - just had it vaguely in my mind that I might have.  Maybe it was my mind, thinking like you did - and "envisioned" it - with thoughts of one day seeing a real one (or worse yet - Making one!).  LoL.Since no one else has come out and said they have seen or made one - the triple must have been a figment of my imagination. Has it cooled down enough for you to enjoy lots more time in your shop?  Hope so.Cheers!Mac-Original Message-
From: bulke...@mmnet.com.au
Sent: Mar 23, 2021 6:48 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: triple hollow spiral

That would be right mac totally stuff up my swelled head I’m hoping it was my original triplePic you saw lol do you think I give a shit if some one out does me I gave up penis measuring years ago when I found out everyone’s was bigger than mine ha ha ha  All I can tell you is years ago when I first saw a double and asked if any one has done 3 no one had heard of it so I made mine this is the one that got me started his out side spiral is thicker which makes it stronger I wanted to me more ornate if you like and see more of the inner ones my advice is to do his first and work up BillFrom: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M.W.FoscueSent: Wednesday, 24 March 2021 8:48 AMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: triple hollow spiral Bill,I believe I have seen one before - many years ago.  I'm trying to recall if it was on one of the Legacy promotional handouts or videos or if it was included in a CraigsList or eBay posting.   If in a CL or eB post, then it was where the LOM owner was selling their machine and included the photo as part of the post - showing what the Mill was capable of doing.  Am I "dreaming" - or does anyone else in The Group recall seeing a "triple spiral"?  Bill - I don't mean to take away from what you are doing.  You are a true craftsman - and a HUGE asset to The Group.  At this point I'm seeking a "sanity check" - as to whether I was dreaming or correct in my memory. LoL!Tim (and Bill?):  FOR SURE - I have NEVER seen a Quad Spiral - so whomever does one - will be The First I have seen!Thanks again for ALL you hard work that you share with us, Bill.Mac-Original Message- From: bulke...@mmnet.com.au Sent: Mar 23, 2021 5:26 PM To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: triple hollow spiral Yes mac, someone please beat me and video it so I can stop making these dam videos lolAnd yes as far as I know I’m the only one to mill a triple spiral others before me have done doubles but not triples. BillFrom: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M.W.FoscueSent: Wednesday, 24 March 2021 5:01 AMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: triple hollow spiral Tim, In a previous post - I sensed that Bill "threw down his gauntlet" when he said this would be the first "Triple Spiral" made on a LOM. It is now your "mission" (challenge from Bill?) to make a "Quad Spiral"!  LoL! Mac-Original Message- From: Tim Ziegler Sent: Mar 23, 2021 1:48 PM To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: triple hollow spiral Oh that will be cool. I still need to do one of those but I better get good at what I'm doing now first.Kind Regards, Timothy J. ZieglerOn Tue, Mar 23, 2021 at 9:37 AM  wrote:I still have the last spiral to make then I will post pics of each piece and the 3 put together After all that I will sand them and stain them and make tops and bottoms this triple is going to be a stand in my house to put my big nut and bolt on. BillFrom: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills  Sent: Wednesday, 24 March 2021 1:28 AMTo: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills Subject: Re: triple hollow spiral Can you post some pictures of the final product? C.A.G.On Tuesday, March 23, 2021, 10:21:39 AM EDT, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills  wrote:  Awesome job Bill ! C.A.G.On Tuesday, March 23, 2021, 09:48:13 AM EDT, bulke...@mmnet.com.au  wrote:  I just finished part 2 of the triple spiral https://youtu.be/Mxx1bhktUkI A very difficult spiral to make lots of patience needed here so flimsy very light cuts and lots of prevention against vibration. I had filming problems too I lost one part of the filming the removal of the 2 unwanted spirals but there is enough left to sill see how to do it. This is definitely not for beginners of the legacy mill Bill




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RE: triple hollow spiral

[M.W.Foscue]

Bill,I believe I have seen one before - many years ago.  I'm trying to recall if it was on one of the Legacy promotional handouts or videos or if it was included in a CraigsList or eBay posting.   If in a CL or eB post, then it was where the LOM owner was selling their machine and included the photo as part of the post - showing what the Mill was capable of doing.  Am I "dreaming" - or does anyone else in The Group recall seeing a "triple spiral"?  Bill - I don't mean to take away from what you are doing.  You are a true craftsman - and a HUGE asset to The Group.  At this point I'm seeking a "sanity check" - as to whether I was dreaming or correct in my memory. LoL!Tim (and Bill?):  FOR SURE - I have NEVER seen a Quad Spiral - so whomever does one - will be The First I have seen!Thanks again for ALL you hard work that you share with us, Bill.Mac-Original Message-
From: bulke...@mmnet.com.au
Sent: Mar 23, 2021 5:26 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: triple hollow spiral

Yes mac, someone please beat me and video it so I can stop making these dam videos lolAnd yes as far as I know I’m the only one to mill a triple spiral others before me have done doubles but not triples. Bill  From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M.W.FoscueSent: Wednesday, 24 March 2021 5:01 AMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: triple hollow spiral Tim, In a previous post - I sensed that Bill "threw down his gauntlet" when he said this would be the first "Triple Spiral" made on a LOM. It is now your "mission" (challenge from Bill?) to make a "Quad Spiral"!  LoL! Mac-Original Message- From: Tim Ziegler Sent: Mar 23, 2021 1:48 PM To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: triple hollow spiral Oh that will be cool. I still need to do one of those but I better get good at what I'm doing now first.Kind Regards, Timothy J. ZieglerOn Tue, Mar 23, 2021 at 9:37 AM  wrote:I still have the last spiral to make then I will post pics of each piece and the 3 put together After all that I will sand them and stain them and make tops and bottoms this triple is going to be a stand in my house to put my big nut and bolt on. BillFrom: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills  Sent: Wednesday, 24 March 2021 1:28 AMTo: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills Subject: Re: triple hollow spiral Can you post some pictures of the final product? C.A.G.On Tuesday, March 23, 2021, 10:21:39 AM EDT, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills  wrote:  Awesome job Bill ! C.A.G.On Tuesday, March 23, 2021, 09:48:13 AM EDT, bulke...@mmnet.com.au  wrote:  I just finished part 2 of the triple spiral https://youtu.be/Mxx1bhktUkI A very difficult spiral to make lots of patience needed here so flimsy very light cuts and lots of prevention against vibration. I had filming problems too I lost one part of the filming the removal of the 2 unwanted spirals but there is enough left to sill see how to do it. This is definitely not for beginners of the legacy mill Bill-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/legacy-ornamental-mills/1147128253.5504.1616522440128%40wamui-bison.atl.sa.earthlink.net.



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RE: triple hollow spiral

[M.W.Foscue]

Bill,Thanks.  Could you have moved the saddle 3" after cutting the first path (instead of the 1 1/2"?)?  That would have given you "cut #3" - then come back and do numbers 2 and 4 after that?   Seems like you could cut them in any "order" - so was just curious.Your filming is great - hard to believe you do all that all by yourself.  We REALLY appreciate it!Have a great evening.   Probably starting to cool down quite a bit "down there" isn't it?  Means more time in the shop for you!!Cheers!Mac-Original Message-
From: bulke...@mmnet.com.au
Sent: Mar 23, 2021 5:03 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: triple hollow spiral

Mac its all got to do with math you multiply the number of starts by the width of the cutter in this case 4 times 1 ½  which is 6 so that is the 6inch pitch so to get the next start you disconnect the leadscrew and move the saddle along 1½ inches the cutter width and reingauge the leadscrew that automatically puts the cutter one quarter turn round the circumference . removing the unwanted spirals was done pretty much the same as in the first video just drill holes in them and break them off in pieces all done very carefully its delicate work . The spiral has to be an up cut to get rid of the waste a down would build up the sawdust and possibly cause a tool brake and or worse a spiral break the wood was really a lousy piece I should have scraped it and started again it’s just that I was a long way into it and didn’t want to do all that work over again. The music I used a different tune each time I edited the filming the same tune gets a bit boring after listening to it for a while. BillFrom: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M.W.FoscueSent: Wednesday, 24 March 2021 2:18 AMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: triple hollow spiral Bill,Really nice video - EXCELLENT job!Thanks for sharing.A couple questions: 1.  When doing the 2nd "start" - did you go 25% (90º) around the circumference?   Or did you go 180º and begin the 2nd" start? Is there a good reson for doing it one way vs the other - or does it not matter? 2.  Pls explain how you removed the unwanted spirals?  I imagine it was simply a "destructive" method. 3.  The straight spiral cutter - was it an "up cut" version?  Would a down cut ave given you a bit less tear-out risk? Thanks again.  (PS - liked the "music" vs listening to either the router or nothing.) Mac-Original Message- From: bulke...@mmnet.com.au Sent: Mar 23, 2021 9:47 AM To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Subject: triple hollow spiral I just finished part 2 of the triple spiral https://youtu.be/Mxx1bhktUkI A very difficult spiral to make lots of patience needed here so flimsy very light cuts and lots of prevention against vibration. I had filming problems too I lost one part of the filming the removal of the 2 unwanted spirals but there is enough left to sill see how to do it. This is definitely not for beginners of the legacy mill Bill




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Re: triple hollow spiral

[M.W.Foscue]

Tim,In a previous post - I sensed that Bill "threw down his gauntlet" when he said this would be the first "Triple Spiral" made on a LOM.It is now your "mission" (challenge from Bill?) to make a "Quad Spiral"!  LoL!Mac-Original Message-
From: Tim Ziegler 
Sent: Mar 23, 2021 1:48 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: triple hollow spiral

Oh that will be cool. I still need to do one of those but I better get good at what I'm doing now first.Kind Regards,Timothy J. ZieglerOn Tue, Mar 23, 2021 at 9:37 AM  wrote:I still have the last spiral to make then I will post pics of each piece and the 3 put together After all that I will sand them and stain them and make tops and bottoms this triple is going to be a stand in my house to put my big nut and bolt on. BillFrom: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills  Sent: Wednesday, 24 March 2021 1:28 AMTo: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills Subject: Re: triple hollow spiral Can you post some pictures of the final product? C.A.G.On Tuesday, March 23, 2021, 10:21:39 AM EDT, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills  wrote:  Awesome job Bill ! C.A.G.On Tuesday, March 23, 2021, 09:48:13 AM EDT, bulke...@mmnet.com.au  wrote:  I just finished part 2 of the triple spiral https://youtu.be/Mxx1bhktUkI A very difficult spiral to make lots of patience needed here so flimsy very light cuts and lots of prevention against vibration. I had filming problems too I lost one part of the filming the removal of the 2 unwanted spirals but there is enough left to sill see how to do it. This is definitely not for beginners of the legacy mill Bill



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Re: triple hollow spiral

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Bill,Really nice video - EXCELLENT job!Thanks for sharing.A couple questions:1.  When doing the 2nd "start" - did you go 25% (90º) around the circumference?   Or did you go 180º and begin the 2nd" start? Is there a good reson for doing it one way vs the other - or does it not matter?2.  Pls explain how you removed the unwanted spirals?  I imagine it was simply a "destructive" method.3.  The straight spiral cutter - was it an "up cut" version?  Would a down cut ave given you a bit less tear-out risk?Thanks again.  (PS - liked the "music" vs listening to either the router or nothing.) Mac-Original Message-
From: bulke...@mmnet.com.au
Sent: Mar 23, 2021 9:47 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: triple hollow spiral

I just finished part 2 of the triple spiral https://youtu.be/Mxx1bhktUkI A very difficult spiral to make lots of patience needed here so flimsy very light cuts and lots of prevention against vibration. I had filming problems too I lost one part of the filming the removal of the 2 unwanted spirals but there is enough left to sill see how to do it. This is definitely not for beginners of the legacy mill Bill






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Re: Wave Machine - applied to Pilaster dog setup

[M.W.Foscue]

Subject: Re: Wave Machine -
  applied to Pilaster dog setup

  

  Cool idea, but heres what we have to
consider. The wave works on revolving
the spindle being turned partially. 
  
But I've been thinking about this too
  but have not had it come to my head
  but we need to had something similar
  that 
  
  
would move the router back and forth
  instead of the spindle turning if it's
  going to be square. Or are you
  thinking round?
  
  
Windshield wiper motors would make a
  very cool start to moving the router
  carriage???
  
  



  

  Kind Regards,
  
  
  
  
Timothy J. Ziegler
  

 
  
  
On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 5:06 PM
  M.W.Foscue <mwfos...@earthlink.net>
  wrote:
  
  

  

  To
  Group members with Wave
  Machines (Tim K, Tim Z, Bill,
  Curtis, and others?),


    


  The
  waves that ya'll have made are
  really nice - Thanks for
  sharing them.


  Curtis
  is always telling us to "Think
  outside of the box" - so here
  goes!:


    


  I got
  to thinking - I wonder if/how
  the Wave Machines (devices?)
  would perform on boards that
  are mounted to the various
  sizes of Pilaster "dogs(?)".


    


  Just
  a crazy thought - and since I
  do not own a Wave Machine -
  nor Pilaster Dogs - I figured
  I toss this out for your
  consideration.


  I
  plan to order a set of
  Pilaster Dogs from Legacy
  sometime in the next 3 to 6
  months.  If a Group Member has
  a set they don't need/want/ or
  that's extra - let me know. 
  

Re: Wave Machine - applied to Pilaster dog setup

[M.W.Foscue]

Not having Pilaster Dogs, I can only say try both - round and flat.See what that yields.Mac-Original Message-
From: Tim Ziegler 
Sent: Mar 21, 2021 6:13 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Wave Machine - applied to Pilaster dog setup

Cool idea, but heres what we have to consider. The wave works on revolving the spindle being turned partially. But I've been thinking about this too but have not had it come to my head but we need to had something similar that would move the router back and forth instead of the spindle turning if it's going to be square. Or are you thinking round?Windshield wiper motors would make a very cool start to moving the router carriage???Kind Regards,Timothy J. ZieglerOn Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 5:06 PM M.W.Foscue <mwfos...@earthlink.net> wrote:To Group members with Wave Machines (Tim K, Tim Z, Bill, Curtis, and others?),The waves that ya'll have made are really nice - Thanks for sharing them.Curtis is always telling us to "Think outside of the box" - so here goes!:I got to thinking - I wonder if/how the Wave Machines (devices?) would perform on boards that are mounted to the various sizes of Pilaster "dogs(?)".Just a crazy thought - and since I do not own a Wave Machine - nor Pilaster Dogs - I figured I toss this out for your consideration. I plan to order a set of Pilaster Dogs from Legacy sometime in the next 3 to 6 months.  If a Group Member has a set they don't need/want/ or that's extra - let me know.  We should be able to work something out instead of me ordering from Legacy.Thanks - for your time and consideration of my crazy thought.I hope to see some really nice results.Mac



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Wave Machine - applied to Pilaster dog setup

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To Group members with Wave Machines (Tim K, Tim Z, Bill, Curtis, and others?),The waves that ya'll have made are really nice - Thanks for sharing them.Curtis is always telling us to "Think outside of the box" - so here goes!:I got to thinking - I wonder if/how the Wave Machines (devices?) would perform on boards that are mounted to the various sizes of Pilaster "dogs(?)".Just a crazy thought - and since I do not own a Wave Machine - nor Pilaster Dogs - I figured I toss this out for your consideration. I plan to order a set of Pilaster Dogs from Legacy sometime in the next 3 to 6 months.  If a Group Member has a set they don't need/want/ or that's extra - let me know.  We should be able to work something out instead of me ordering from Legacy.Thanks - for your time and consideration of my crazy thought.I hope to see some really nice results.Mac



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Re: 2nd Wave went even better

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Curtis,I Like it!!Be sure to take a look at the new subject suggestion I will send out in a few minutes.Mac-Original Message-
From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Sent: Mar 21, 2021 3:03 PM
To: "legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com" 
Subject: Re: 2nd Wave went even better


Thanks Tim. Here is a wave that I turned today.C.A.G.





On Sunday, March 21, 2021, 08:37:38 AM EDT, Ccm Ccm  wrote:



nice workOn Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 7:01 PM Tim Ziegler  wrote:Well the 3rd one is even better. much more pronounedKind Regards,Timothy J. ZieglerOn Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 3:59 AM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills  wrote:
Very Nice Tim!What is the router bit 1/4" round over/core box bit, at 1/4" off-set?I think you will find, that this type of design will keep people wondering how you made it. Its simple, but you cant do this type of work on the Lathe. ;-)Please keep the waves coming! Have a great day.C.A.G.





On Saturday, March 20, 2021, 12:16:12 AM EDT,   wrote:



Fun aren’t they try changing pitch gears for different length waves then try moving wave width as well, endless possibility’s there, then at the end of the wave change from RH to LH and create helix patterns 😊  Bill From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of timjz...@gmail.comSent: Saturday, 20 March 2021 2:01 PMTo: Legacy Ornamental Mills Subject: 2nd Wave went even better  Well not the prettyest but certianly better then the first one?I'm going to figure this out. Anyone else beside Tim K, Curt and Bill done much of this?You've heard of the wave at games well lets get the WAVE goingon the forum.   Have a great night and for you night owls look forward to comments and pix.   Kind regards,  Tim J. Ziegler



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Re: The Mother Load

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Tim,Very nice!I have a suggestion that should be the "next up project" for you (and others with the "Wave Machines"). I will send it out via a new Subject line - so it will be easier to find & follow.Mac-Original Message-
From: Tim Ziegler 
Sent: Mar 21, 2021 5:23 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The Mother Load

Hey Mac,no ice fishing today if thats what you meant.. Sorry maybe still not thawed' lolIt stayed above 44 degree's last night and has been windy so may just wait a couple weeks and dig out the boat. In then mean time, my second oldest Son come up for dinner today and actually wanted to see what I'd been working on. So I had him help me turn a spindle round, Hes; never ran my lathe. Then we proceeded to goto the Legacy, which is what he wanted to see working so we did this spindlewith the wave. I used the small pen turning router bit Bill had suggested,and that I used on yesterdays. So I added a starting point and ending point and it just added that muchmore to it. Best thing is I asked him if he could see himself owning a LOMand his own shop some day and he said he would like it. Next gen LOM owner for sure. So tomorrow is back to reality and no more playing hee hee. maybe. Kind Regards,Timothy J. ZieglerOn Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 12:49 PM M.W.Foscue <mwfos...@earthlink.net> wrote:Tim,That was in response (reply) to this comment you made re: The Mother Load (Mother lode) and Mothership (for Legacy Inc)."OH it took a minute but it sunk in finally. "Did you also see the question re: "off the ice"?I like seeing your "wave" creations.Mac-Original Message-
From: Tim Ziegler 
Sent: Mar 21, 2021 10:49 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The Mother Load

?Kind Regards,Timothy J. ZieglerOn Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 12:19 AM M.W.Foscue <mwfos...@earthlink.net> wrote:Yep - Tracy & I were wondering if your brain had thawed out enough yet for you to make the connection/association there.Those with brain freeze take a bit longer.  Talking about brain freeze - did you know that that is one malady/condition that "blondes" do not get?Are you "off the ice" yet Tim?Mac-Original Message-
From: Tim Ziegler 
Sent: Mar 20, 2021 7:41 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The Mother Load

OH it took a minute but it sunk in finally. Kind Regards,Timothy J. ZieglerOn Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 4:39 PM M.W.Foscue <mwfos...@earthlink.net> wrote:Tracy lives VERY close to "The Mothership" - if I remember what he shared with The Group many months ago. Mac-Original Message-
From: Tim Ziegler 
Sent: Mar 20, 2021 3:31 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The Mother Load

So Tracy what state you from then?We drove to Texas for my first one, then 6 hours into Wisconsin for one so driving isn't a problem. Kind Regards,Timothy J. ZieglerOn Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 1:41 PM Tracy Smith <trlsmit...@gmail.com> wrote:Here is what I've collected with the model 1500 (thanks Kevin):- Rotary Indexing Table- Rotary Indexing Shaft - 2 Horizontal Vises- 1 Vertical Vise- Template Rail Mounting Kit- Porter Cable Router- Eliminator Chuck- Very nice template follower- Z-axis upgrade- Digital readout for z-axis upgrade- 2 Linear Milling Tables- Indexing Plates- Right Hand Directional AssemblyOn Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 12:36 PM Tracy Smith <trlsmit...@gmail.com> wrote:Here is what I've collected with the model 1200 with CNC upgrade:- Brand new Rotary Indexing Table- Rotary Indexing Shaft- Thin stock support- Circle cutting center- at least 1 Horizontal Vise- Dust shield- Eliminator chuck- Dust collection bag- Porter Cable router- New template follower- Tool and bit holder- Several odds and ends: extra gears, template follower, router base, adjustable feet, and several other small thingsOn Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 12:30 PM Tracy Smith <trlsmit...@gmail.com> wrote:Here is what I've collected with the Model 2000:- 4 Horizontal vices- 2 Thin Stock support- 2x gear set- .25 gear set- Template Rail Mounting Kit- Dust shield- Brand new gear cover- Design Kit- Right Hand Directional Assembly- All the drive gears- Porter Cable plunge router- Eliminator ChuckOn Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 12:25 PM Tracy Smith <trlsmit...@gmail.com> wrote:Here is a picture of everything I have spread out on a table. On Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 12:22 PM Tracy Smith <trlsmit...@gmail.com> wrote:Hi all,It is with a bit of sadness and excitement that I have decided to sell my LOMs. I love Legacy machines. I had the opportunity to upgrade to a Maverick for a great deal so I jumped on it.I'm mostly sharing this with this group because I know how much this group loves these machines - as I do. I've been able to acquire a ton of accessories for my machines as I never imaged I would sell my LOMs. I thought I would

RE: The Mother Load

[M.W.Foscue]

Bill,I was wondering if you had "blonde jokes" Down Under.I guess you do.Mac-Original Message-
From: bulke...@mmnet.com.au
Sent: Mar 21, 2021 6:00 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: The Mother Load

Im not touching that blond joke with a 10 foot pole lol BillFrom: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M.W.FoscueSent: Sunday, 21 March 2021 4:19 PMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: The Mother Load Yep - Tracy & I were wondering if your brain had thawed out enough yet for you to make the connection/association there.Those with brain freeze take a bit longer.  Talking about brain freeze - did you know that that is one malady/condition that "blondes" do not get?Are you "off the ice" yet Tim?Mac-Original Message- From: Tim Ziegler Sent: Mar 20, 2021 7:41 PM To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Mother Load OH it took a minute but it sunk in finally. Kind Regards, Timothy J. ZieglerOn Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 4:39 PM M.W.Foscue <mwfos...@earthlink.net> wrote:Tracy lives VERY close to "The Mothership" - if I remember what he shared with The Group many months ago. Mac-Original Message- From: Tim Ziegler Sent: Mar 20, 2021 3:31 PM To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Mother Load So Tracy what state you from then?We drove to Texas for my first one, then 6 hours into Wisconsin for one so driving isn't a problem. Kind Regards, Timothy J. ZieglerOn Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 1:41 PM Tracy Smith <trlsmit...@gmail.com> wrote:Here is what I've collected with the model 1500 (thanks Kevin):- Rotary Indexing Table- Rotary Indexing Shaft - 2 Horizontal Vises- 1 Vertical Vise- Template Rail Mounting Kit- Porter Cable Router- Eliminator Chuck- Very nice template follower- Z-axis upgrade- Digital readout for z-axis upgrade- 2 Linear Milling Tables- Indexing Plates- Right Hand Directional AssemblyOn Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 12:36 PM Tracy Smith <trlsmit...@gmail.com> wrote:Here is what I've collected with the model 1200 with CNC upgrade:- Brand new Rotary Indexing Table- Rotary Indexing Shaft- Thin stock support- Circle cutting center- at least 1 Horizontal Vise- Dust shield- Eliminator chuck- Dust collection bag- Porter Cable router- New template follower- Tool and bit holder- Several odds and ends: extra gears, template follower, router base, adjustable feet, and several other small thingsOn Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 12:30 PM Tracy Smith <trlsmit...@gmail.com> wrote:Here is what I've collected with the Model 2000:- 4 Horizontal vices- 2 Thin Stock support- 2x gear set- .25 gear set- Template Rail Mounting Kit- Dust shield- Brand new gear cover- Design Kit- Right Hand Directional Assembly- All the drive gears- Porter Cable plunge router- Eliminator ChuckOn Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 12:25 PM Tracy Smith <trlsmit...@gmail.com> wrote:Here is a picture of everything I have spread out on a table.  On Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 12:22 PM Tracy Smith <trlsmit...@gmail.com> wrote:Hi all, It is with a bit of sadness and excitement that I have decided to sell my LOMs. I love Legacy machines. I had the opportunity to upgrade to a Maverick for a great deal so I jumped on it. I'm mostly sharing this with this group because I know how much this group loves these machines - as I do. I've been able to acquire a ton of accessories for my machines as I never imaged I would sell my LOMs. I thought I would share with this group a few pictures of all the extras. I've already got one very interested person in my area that put money down so he could have his pick of everything I have. In the next week we expect to spend a few hours together making stuff on each machine machine. He will learn all the ins and out and then decide. I will make sure he knows about this group. The machines I am selling are:- Model 2000- Model 1500 w/Z-axis upgrade- Model 1200 with the Performance CNC upgrade I hope to find great owners for each machine. Even when I sell all the machines, I would be very surprised if I still didn't have several accessories, but we will see. Take a look, hopefully you will enjoy the pictures. I will divide the pictures between a few emails so none get lost. Regards,Tracy




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Re: The Mother Load

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Gotta have one - for it to freeze! -Original Message-
From: Tim Ziegler 
Sent: Mar 21, 2021 11:01 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The Mother Load

naw me either Kind Regards,Timothy J. ZieglerOn Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 5:00 AM <bulke...@mmnet.com.au> wrote:Im not touching that blond joke with a 10 foot pole lolBillFrom: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of M.W.FoscueSent: Sunday, 21 March 2021 4:19 PMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: The Mother Load Yep - Tracy & I were wondering if your brain had thawed out enough yet for you to make the connection/association there.Those with brain freeze take a bit longer.  Talking about brain freeze - did you know that that is one malady/condition that "blondes" do not get?Are you "off the ice" yet Tim?Mac-Original Message- From: Tim Ziegler Sent: Mar 20, 2021 7:41 PM To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Mother Load OH it took a minute but it sunk in finally. Kind Regards, Timothy J. ZieglerOn Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 4:39 PM M.W.Foscue <mwfos...@earthlink.net> wrote:Tracy lives VERY close to "The Mothership" - if I remember what he shared with The Group many months ago. Mac-Original Message- From: Tim Ziegler Sent: Mar 20, 2021 3:31 PM To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Mother Load So Tracy what state you from then?We drove to Texas for my first one, then 6 hours into Wisconsin for one so driving isn't a problem. Kind Regards, Timothy J. ZieglerOn Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 1:41 PM Tracy Smith <trlsmit...@gmail.com> wrote:Here is what I've collected with the model 1500 (thanks Kevin):- Rotary Indexing Table- Rotary Indexing Shaft - 2 Horizontal Vises- 1 Vertical Vise- Template Rail Mounting Kit- Porter Cable Router- Eliminator Chuck- Very nice template follower- Z-axis upgrade- Digital readout for z-axis upgrade- 2 Linear Milling Tables- Indexing Plates- Right Hand Directional AssemblyOn Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 12:36 PM Tracy Smith <trlsmit...@gmail.com> wrote:Here is what I've collected with the model 1200 with CNC upgrade:- Brand new Rotary Indexing Table- Rotary Indexing Shaft- Thin stock support- Circle cutting center- at least 1 Horizontal Vise- Dust shield- Eliminator chuck- Dust collection bag- Porter Cable router- New template follower- Tool and bit holder- Several odds and ends: extra gears, template follower, router base, adjustable feet, and several other small thingsOn Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 12:30 PM Tracy Smith <trlsmit...@gmail.com> wrote:Here is what I've collected with the Model 2000:- 4 Horizontal vices- 2 Thin Stock support- 2x gear set- .25 gear set- Template Rail Mounting Kit- Dust shield- Brand new gear cover- Design Kit- Right Hand Directional Assembly- All the drive gears- Porter Cable plunge router- Eliminator ChuckOn Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 12:25 PM Tracy Smith <trlsmit...@gmail.com> wrote:Here is a picture of everything I have spread out on a table.  On Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 12:22 PM Tracy Smith <trlsmit...@gmail.com> wrote:Hi all, It is with a bit of sadness and excitement that I have decided to sell my LOMs. I love Legacy machines. I had the opportunity to upgrade to a Maverick for a great deal so I jumped on it. I'm mostly sharing this with this group because I know how much this group loves these machines - as I do. I've been able to acquire a ton of accessories for my machines as I never imaged I would sell my LOMs. I thought I would share with this group a few pictures of all the extras. I've already got one very interested person in my area that put money down so he could have his pick of everything I have. In the next week we expect to spend a few hours together making stuff on each machine machine. He will learn all the ins and out and then decide. I will make sure he knows about this group. The machines I am selling are:- Model 2000- Model 1500 w/Z-axis upgrade- Model 1200 with the Performance CNC upgrade I hope to find great owners for each machine. Even when I sell all the machines, I would be very surprised if I still didn't have several accessories, but we will see. Take a look, hopefully you will enjoy the pictures. I will divide the pictures between a few emails so none get lost. Regards,Tracy



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Re: The Mother Load

[M.W.Foscue]

Tim,That was in response (reply) to this comment you made re: The Mother Load (Mother lode) and Mothership (for Legacy Inc)."OH it took a minute but it sunk in finally. "Did you also see the question re: "off the ice"?I like seeing your "wave" creations.Mac-Original Message-
From: Tim Ziegler 
Sent: Mar 21, 2021 10:49 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The Mother Load

?Kind Regards,Timothy J. ZieglerOn Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 12:19 AM M.W.Foscue <mwfos...@earthlink.net> wrote:Yep - Tracy & I were wondering if your brain had thawed out enough yet for you to make the connection/association there.Those with brain freeze take a bit longer.  Talking about brain freeze - did you know that that is one malady/condition that "blondes" do not get?Are you "off the ice" yet Tim?Mac-Original Message-
From: Tim Ziegler 
Sent: Mar 20, 2021 7:41 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The Mother Load

OH it took a minute but it sunk in finally. Kind Regards,Timothy J. ZieglerOn Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 4:39 PM M.W.Foscue <mwfos...@earthlink.net> wrote:Tracy lives VERY close to "The Mothership" - if I remember what he shared with The Group many months ago. Mac-Original Message-
From: Tim Ziegler 
Sent: Mar 20, 2021 3:31 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The Mother Load

So Tracy what state you from then?We drove to Texas for my first one, then 6 hours into Wisconsin for one so driving isn't a problem. Kind Regards,Timothy J. ZieglerOn Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 1:41 PM Tracy Smith <trlsmit...@gmail.com> wrote:Here is what I've collected with the model 1500 (thanks Kevin):- Rotary Indexing Table- Rotary Indexing Shaft - 2 Horizontal Vises- 1 Vertical Vise- Template Rail Mounting Kit- Porter Cable Router- Eliminator Chuck- Very nice template follower- Z-axis upgrade- Digital readout for z-axis upgrade- 2 Linear Milling Tables- Indexing Plates- Right Hand Directional AssemblyOn Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 12:36 PM Tracy Smith <trlsmit...@gmail.com> wrote:Here is what I've collected with the model 1200 with CNC upgrade:- Brand new Rotary Indexing Table- Rotary Indexing Shaft- Thin stock support- Circle cutting center- at least 1 Horizontal Vise- Dust shield- Eliminator chuck- Dust collection bag- Porter Cable router- New template follower- Tool and bit holder- Several odds and ends: extra gears, template follower, router base, adjustable feet, and several other small thingsOn Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 12:30 PM Tracy Smith <trlsmit...@gmail.com> wrote:Here is what I've collected with the Model 2000:- 4 Horizontal vices- 2 Thin Stock support- 2x gear set- .25 gear set- Template Rail Mounting Kit- Dust shield- Brand new gear cover- Design Kit- Right Hand Directional Assembly- All the drive gears- Porter Cable plunge router- Eliminator ChuckOn Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 12:25 PM Tracy Smith <trlsmit...@gmail.com> wrote:Here is a picture of everything I have spread out on a table. On Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 12:22 PM Tracy Smith <trlsmit...@gmail.com> wrote:Hi all,It is with a bit of sadness and excitement that I have decided to sell my LOMs. I love Legacy machines. I had the opportunity to upgrade to a Maverick for a great deal so I jumped on it.I'm mostly sharing this with this group because I know how much this group loves these machines - as I do. I've been able to acquire a ton of accessories for my machines as I never imaged I would sell my LOMs. I thought I would share with this group a few pictures of all the extras.I've already got one very interested person in my area that put money down so he could have his pick of everything I have. In the next week we expect to spend a few hours together making stuff on each machine machine. He will learn all the ins and out and then decide. I will make sure he knows about this group.The machines I am selling are:- Model 2000- Model 1500 w/Z-axis upgrade- Model 1200 with the Performance CNC upgradeI hope to find great owners for each machine.Even when I sell all the machines, I would be very surprised if I still didn't have several accessories, but we will see.Take a look, hopefully you will enjoy the pictures. I will divide the pictures between a few emails so none get lost.Regards,Tracy



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Re: 2nd Wave went even better

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Very nice, Tim.All done with one bit?Thanks for sharing.Mac-Original Message-
From: Tim Ziegler 
Sent: Mar 20, 2021 8:01 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: 2nd Wave went even better

Well the 3rd one is even better. much more pronounedKind Regards,Timothy J. ZieglerOn Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 3:59 AM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills  wrote:
Very Nice Tim!What is the router bit 1/4" round over/core box bit, at 1/4" off-set?I think you will find, that this type of design will keep people wondering how you made it. Its simple, but you cant do this type of work on the Lathe. ;-)Please keep the waves coming! Have a great day.C.A.G.





On Saturday, March 20, 2021, 12:16:12 AM EDT,   wrote:



Fun aren’t they try changing pitch gears for different length waves then try moving wave width as well, endless possibility’s there, then at the end of the wave change from RH to LH and create helix patterns 😊  Bill From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of timjz...@gmail.comSent: Saturday, 20 March 2021 2:01 PMTo: Legacy Ornamental Mills Subject: 2nd Wave went even better  Well not the prettyest but certianly better then the first one?I'm going to figure this out. Anyone else beside Tim K, Curt and Bill done much of this?You've heard of the wave at games well lets get the WAVE goingon the forum.   Have a great night and for you night owls look forward to comments and pix.    Kind regards,  Tim J. Ziegler



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Re: The Mother Load

[M.W.Foscue]

Yep - Tracy & I were wondering if your brain had thawed out enough yet for you to make the connection/association there.Those with brain freeze take a bit longer.  Talking about brain freeze - did you know that that is one malady/condition that "blondes" do not get?Are you "off the ice" yet Tim?Mac-Original Message-
From: Tim Ziegler 
Sent: Mar 20, 2021 7:41 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The Mother Load

OH it took a minute but it sunk in finally. Kind Regards,Timothy J. ZieglerOn Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 4:39 PM M.W.Foscue <mwfos...@earthlink.net> wrote:Tracy lives VERY close to "The Mothership" - if I remember what he shared with The Group many months ago. Mac-Original Message-
From: Tim Ziegler 
Sent: Mar 20, 2021 3:31 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The Mother Load

So Tracy what state you from then?We drove to Texas for my first one, then 6 hours into Wisconsin for one so driving isn't a problem. Kind Regards,Timothy J. ZieglerOn Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 1:41 PM Tracy Smith <trlsmit...@gmail.com> wrote:Here is what I've collected with the model 1500 (thanks Kevin):- Rotary Indexing Table- Rotary Indexing Shaft - 2 Horizontal Vises- 1 Vertical Vise- Template Rail Mounting Kit- Porter Cable Router- Eliminator Chuck- Very nice template follower- Z-axis upgrade- Digital readout for z-axis upgrade- 2 Linear Milling Tables- Indexing Plates- Right Hand Directional AssemblyOn Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 12:36 PM Tracy Smith <trlsmit...@gmail.com> wrote:Here is what I've collected with the model 1200 with CNC upgrade:- Brand new Rotary Indexing Table- Rotary Indexing Shaft- Thin stock support- Circle cutting center- at least 1 Horizontal Vise- Dust shield- Eliminator chuck- Dust collection bag- Porter Cable router- New template follower- Tool and bit holder- Several odds and ends: extra gears, template follower, router base, adjustable feet, and several other small thingsOn Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 12:30 PM Tracy Smith <trlsmit...@gmail.com> wrote:Here is what I've collected with the Model 2000:- 4 Horizontal vices- 2 Thin Stock support- 2x gear set- .25 gear set- Template Rail Mounting Kit- Dust shield- Brand new gear cover- Design Kit- Right Hand Directional Assembly- All the drive gears- Porter Cable plunge router- Eliminator ChuckOn Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 12:25 PM Tracy Smith <trlsmit...@gmail.com> wrote:Here is a picture of everything I have spread out on a table. On Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 12:22 PM Tracy Smith <trlsmit...@gmail.com> wrote:Hi all,It is with a bit of sadness and excitement that I have decided to sell my LOMs. I love Legacy machines. I had the opportunity to upgrade to a Maverick for a great deal so I jumped on it.I'm mostly sharing this with this group because I know how much this group loves these machines - as I do. I've been able to acquire a ton of accessories for my machines as I never imaged I would sell my LOMs. I thought I would share with this group a few pictures of all the extras.I've already got one very interested person in my area that put money down so he could have his pick of everything I have. In the next week we expect to spend a few hours together making stuff on each machine machine. He will learn all the ins and out and then decide. I will make sure he knows about this group.The machines I am selling are:- Model 2000- Model 1500 w/Z-axis upgrade- Model 1200 with the Performance CNC upgradeI hope to find great owners for each machine.Even when I sell all the machines, I would be very surprised if I still didn't have several accessories, but we will see.Take a look, hopefully you will enjoy the pictures. I will divide the pictures between a few emails so none get lost.Regards,Tracy



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Re: The Mother Load

[M.W.Foscue]

Tracy lives VERY close to "The Mothership" - if I remember what he shared with The Group many months ago. Mac-Original Message-
From: Tim Ziegler 
Sent: Mar 20, 2021 3:31 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The Mother Load

So Tracy what state you from then?We drove to Texas for my first one, then 6 hours into Wisconsin for one so driving isn't a problem. Kind Regards,Timothy J. ZieglerZiegler WoodWork & Specialty14171 160th Ave.Foreston MN 56330320-294-5798 shop320-630-2243 cellOn Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 1:41 PM Tracy Smith  wrote:Here is what I've collected with the model 1500 (thanks Kevin):- Rotary Indexing Table- Rotary Indexing Shaft - 2 Horizontal Vises- 1 Vertical Vise- Template Rail Mounting Kit- Porter Cable Router- Eliminator Chuck- Very nice template follower- Z-axis upgrade- Digital readout for z-axis upgrade- 2 Linear Milling Tables- Indexing Plates- Right Hand Directional AssemblyOn Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 12:36 PM Tracy Smith  wrote:Here is what I've collected with the model 1200 with CNC upgrade:- Brand new Rotary Indexing Table- Rotary Indexing Shaft- Thin stock support- Circle cutting center- at least 1 Horizontal Vise- Dust shield- Eliminator chuck- Dust collection bag- Porter Cable router- New template follower- Tool and bit holder- Several odds and ends: extra gears, template follower, router base, adjustable feet, and several other small thingsOn Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 12:30 PM Tracy Smith  wrote:Here is what I've collected with the Model 2000:- 4 Horizontal vices- 2 Thin Stock support- 2x gear set- .25 gear set- Template Rail Mounting Kit- Dust shield- Brand new gear cover- Design Kit- Right Hand Directional Assembly- All the drive gears- Porter Cable plunge router- Eliminator ChuckOn Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 12:25 PM Tracy Smith  wrote:Here is a picture of everything I have spread out on a table. On Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 12:22 PM Tracy Smith  wrote:Hi all,It is with a bit of sadness and excitement that I have decided to sell my LOMs. I love Legacy machines. I had the opportunity to upgrade to a Maverick for a great deal so I jumped on it.I'm mostly sharing this with this group because I know how much this group loves these machines - as I do. I've been able to acquire a ton of accessories for my machines as I never imaged I would sell my LOMs. I thought I would share with this group a few pictures of all the extras.I've already got one very interested person in my area that put money down so he could have his pick of everything I have. In the next week we expect to spend a few hours together making stuff on each machine machine. He will learn all the ins and out and then decide. I will make sure he knows about this group.The machines I am selling are:- Model 2000- Model 1500 w/Z-axis upgrade- Model 1200 with the Performance CNC upgradeI hope to find great owners for each machine.Even when I sell all the machines, I would be very surprised if I still didn't have several accessories, but we will see.Take a look, hopefully you will enjoy the pictures. I will divide the pictures between a few emails so none get lost.Regards,Tracy



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Re: The Mother Load

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Tracy,Thanks for thinking of our Group - and sharing with us the "opportunity".Just to forewarn you:  We have a Group member - who shall remain "nameless" - who is probably already on his way out to your place to scarf up that beautiful LOM 2000!   Hint:  He will be flying in to Utah from New York.  Some really nice Mills you have there.  I know there are several Group members (in addition to "Down Under Bill") that are salivating over the prospect of buying whatever you have left.Thanks for passing on the info re: our Group to the "new" owner.Best of luck.Mac-Original Message-
From: Tracy Smith 
Sent: Mar 20, 2021 2:22 PM
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: The Mother Load

Hi all,It is with a bit of sadness and excitement that I have decided to sell my LOMs. I love Legacy machines. I had the opportunity to upgrade to a Maverick for a great deal so I jumped on it.I'm mostly sharing this with this group because I know how much this group loves these machines - as I do. I've been able to acquire a ton of accessories for my machines as I never imaged I would sell my LOMs. I thought I would share with this group a few pictures of all the extras.I've already got one very interested person in my area that put money down so he could have his pick of everything I have. In the next week we expect to spend a few hours together making stuff on each machine machine. He will learn all the ins and out and then decide. I will make sure he knows about this group.The machines I am selling are:- Model 2000- Model 1500 w/Z-axis upgrade- Model 1200 with the Performance CNC upgradeI hope to find great owners for each machine.Even when I sell all the machines, I would be very surprised if I still didn't have several accessories, but we will see.Take a look, hopefully you will enjoy the pictures. I will divide the pictures between a few emails so none get lost.Regards,Tracy






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Re: Today's barley project re-post

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Roger,WOW!!!  You have created some AMAZING works of Craftsmanship down there in the "Tip of the Republic"!!We will LOVE to hear from you MUCH more often - and hope to see more of your creations!Thank you very much for responding to my inquiry.Again - I hope you will participate/post more here.  The talent you exhibit is something we all would love for you to share - here with our Group.Have a wonderful weekend.Mac-Original Message-
From: Ccm Ccm 
Sent: Mar 18, 2021 11:56 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Today's barley project re-post

Hi Mac, My name is Roger Lieser, I live at the southern tip of texas close to McallenI own a 1200 and 1800 legacy, i've been chopping up wood for many years, attached are a few pictures of some of what i do, all of these projects  i used the legacy one way or anotherOn Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at 8:49 PM M.W.Foscue <mwfos...@earthlink.net> wrote:Hello,I've seen posts by you on the Legacy Ornamental Mill (Google) User's Group (manual mill - not their CNC version).I know I have seen your "From" address of "Ccm Ccm" a number of times over the past few years - but do not recall ever seeing your name.More than likely you have been commenting on The Group's site longer than I have (which is probably on & off over the past 8-10 years).  Therefore when I signed up, you were probably aalredy aa "ember" so I never saw any info s to your name, where you live, type(s) of Legacy Mill(s) you have etc. If you don't mind, will you kindly share some of that info. either with me or to The Group?  I asked a long-time member if he knew who Ccm Ccm was - and he didn't know either.I even looked up "CCM Designs" and "CCM Design" - and found nothing related to woodworking or the Legacy Mill.I live in Northern Virginia (near Manassas) and have a Model 1000.  Bought it used.Thank you in advance for your time, consideration of my request, and your reply. Mac-Original Message-
From: Ccm Ccm 
Sent: Mar 15, 2021 12:55 AM
To: "legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com" 
Subject: Re: Today's barley project re-post

Nice work On Sunday, March 14, 2021, Okla Mike (Liltwisted) <legacym...@iglide.net> wrote:

  
  
I was going through some old emails and came
across this one.  I figured I would bring it back to the front
for the groups sake and to start talk about different techniques
I used.  
  
~~
  
Hello everyone.  I decided to take some pictures
today as I worked.  Just to give you an idea of the process I
use on a daily basis to make a living.  The two most important
tools in my shop are the ShopSmith with a duplicator as well as
the old WoodChuck AKA Legacy's Grand Pa.  
 
  Here is a picture of the pattern the customer gave me.
  


And the wood the Customer supplied 4.75 X 22 maple



I glued the pattern with spray glue onto a masonite board



Then did a rough cutout for the Radial Lathe to cut out



I got it mounted and started the saw.  You can see the template and
follower on the left under the spring clamp



This is the complete rough out with the saw



I cut the template to the final profile with a scroll saw



Next it was time for the Shopsmith you can see



This is what it looked like turned.  There will be a dowel cut on
the right and the left side will be the barley



This is the 2" barley on a 2" one start pitch.  Notice the untouched
barrel to the right?  It will be square next.



Here you will see the cut and uncut square section.  I locked the
shaft and used the drive dog to keep my 90º rotation true



Then I milled the dowel with a rabbiting bit.



Here are all 4 of them completed



I charged $100 a piece for these.  Just in case you all were
wondering.

Mike


  




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Re: Today's barley project re-post

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Hello,I've seen posts by you on the Legacy Ornamental Mill (Google) User's Group (manual mill - not their CNC version).I know I have seen your "From" address of "Ccm Ccm" a number of times over the past few years - but do not recall ever seeing your name.More than likely you have been commenting on The Group's site longer than I have (which is probably on & off over the past 8-10 years).  Therefore when I signed up, you were probably aalredy aa "ember" so I never saw any info s to your name, where you live, type(s) of Legacy Mill(s) you have etc. If you don't mind, will you kindly share some of that info. either with me or to The Group?  I asked a long-time member if he knew who Ccm Ccm was - and he didn't know either.I even looked up "CCM Designs" and "CCM Design" - and found nothing related to woodworking or the Legacy Mill.I live in Northern Virginia (near Manassas) and have a Model 1000.  Bought it used.Thank you in advance for your time, consideration of my request, and your reply. Mac-Original Message-
From: Ccm Ccm 
Sent: Mar 15, 2021 12:55 AM
To: "legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com" 
Subject: Re: Today's barley project re-post

Nice work On Sunday, March 14, 2021, Okla Mike (Liltwisted)  wrote:

  
  
I was going through some old emails and came
across this one.  I figured I would bring it back to the front
for the groups sake and to start talk about different techniques
I used.  
  
~~
  
Hello everyone.  I decided to take some pictures
today as I worked.  Just to give you an idea of the process I
use on a daily basis to make a living.  The two most important
tools in my shop are the ShopSmith with a duplicator as well as
the old WoodChuck AKA Legacy's Grand Pa.  
 
  Here is a picture of the pattern the customer gave me.
  


And the wood the Customer supplied 4.75 X 22 maple



I glued the pattern with spray glue onto a masonite board



Then did a rough cutout for the Radial Lathe to cut out



I got it mounted and started the saw.  You can see the template and
follower on the left under the spring clamp



This is the complete rough out with the saw



I cut the template to the final profile with a scroll saw



Next it was time for the Shopsmith you can see



This is what it looked like turned.  There will be a dowel cut on
the right and the left side will be the barley



This is the 2" barley on a 2" one start pitch.  Notice the untouched
barrel to the right?  It will be square next.



Here you will see the cut and uncut square section.  I locked the
shaft and used the drive dog to keep my 90º rotation true



Then I milled the dowel with a rabbiting bit.



Here are all 4 of them completed



I charged $100 a piece for these.  Just in case you all were
wondering.

Mike


  




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Re: pictures of table

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Tim,You did a FANTASTIC job bringing that "dead table" back to Life.It looks GREAT!Thank you Very Much for sharing it with The Group!Mac-Original Message-
From: "timjz...@gmail.com" 
Sent: Mar 16, 2021 10:14 PM
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: pictures of table






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RE:

[M.W.Foscue]

Brett & Bill,You guys are FUN!  Glad to see you have a sense of humor.I put that "LoL!" at the end as a "hint" - that I was pulling your leg.Like Bobby McFerrin sang:  "Don't worry - Be HAPPY!"Bill, you are SO right!  Wasn't it you that sent out the email with the cartoon where the father asked his son "What are you supposed to say to somebody if you want something?"(or something like that.)  To which the son replied:  "I'm offended!"  That was a sad statement as  how bad things are getting in society.I used to work for a General and one of his "sayings" was "If you are not having 'fun' in life - something is wrong!"  (BTW:  NY Joe - I very much appreciate your sense of humor too - as well as Tim Z's.)Have a Fun-filled Sunday folks - and be THANKFUL for the blessings you have/enjoy! Mac-Original Message-
From: bulke...@mmnet.com.au
Sent: Mar 13, 2021 5:13 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE:

Never mind as long as you do get them never say you have then till there in your hands I always say .and I thought I better set it strait about routers just in case I’m glad I did now mac is always razing me lol if its not that its some crap about turning upside down because I live down under lol .but I don’t care my skin is thick as elephant hide I can take it and give it back 😊.That’s what’s wrong with the world now everybody gets offended far too easy not me. BillFrom: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Brett GigerSent: Sunday, 14 March 2021 8:15 AMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject:  Im just bummed i havnt got my gears yet




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RE:

[M.W.Foscue]

Bill,I cautioned you before - to not buy motorized items on the US eBay site; that doing so could result in issues for you.LoL!Mac-Original Message-
From: bulke...@mmnet.com.au
Sent: Mar 12, 2021 7:33 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE:

Dam now I know why I’m burning all my router bits my router is spinning the wrong way lol 😊 Bill From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M.W.FoscueSent: Saturday, 13 March 2021 11:26 AMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: Brett, Just make sure you order a model made for use in the Northern hemisphere.  They make them for use in Australia too - different motor rotation than NA models. LoL! Mac-Original Message- From: bulke...@mmnet.com.au Sent: Mar 12, 2021 6:27 PM To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Yes the thing I like the most about triton routers apart from the fine adjustment plunging knobIs the quick change mounting just loosen 2 knobs and off it comes in seconds which makes them great you can go from mills to router tables to free hand work all in seconds. And one of the common misconceptions I find with routers on the legacy mills if the need for heaps of horsepower if your bogging down a big 3 horse power router your taking too big of cutsHaving a very good variable speed is much better and a fine adjustment on plunging is much more important to me than horsepower but that is just my opinion. Bill From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Tim ZieglerSent: Friday, 12 March 2021 11:15 PMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Yes and Bill is a die hard Triton fan so have any questions about them and how they work you must talk to him.Bill is the Triton King. lolKind Regards, Timothy J. ZieglerOn Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 11:28 PM Brett Giger  wrote:Hey guys , Brett here, just wonderingbif any one has tried or used the Tritan plunge router??and or any suggestions , my Bosh sucks




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RE:

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Brett,Just make sure you order a model made for use in the Northern hemisphere.  They make them for use in Australia too - different motor rotation than NA models. LoL!Mac-Original Message-
From: bulke...@mmnet.com.au
Sent: Mar 12, 2021 6:27 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE:

Yes the thing I like the most about triton routers apart from the fine adjustment plunging knobIs the quick change mounting just loosen 2 knobs and off it comes in seconds which makes them great you can go from mills to router tables to free hand work all in seconds. And one of the common misconceptions I find with routers on the legacy mills if the need for heaps of horsepower if your bogging down a big 3 horse power router your taking too big of cutsHaving a very good variable speed is much better and a fine adjustment on plunging is much more important to me than horsepower but that is just my opinion. Bill From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Tim ZieglerSent: Friday, 12 March 2021 11:15 PMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Yes and Bill is a die hard Triton fan so have any questions about them and how they work you must talk to him.Bill is the Triton King. lolKind Regards, Timothy J. ZieglerOn Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 11:28 PM Brett Giger  wrote:Hey guys , Brett here, just wonderingbif any one has tried or used the Tritan plunge router??and or any suggestions , my Bosh sucks



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Re: Ice fishing dream LOM

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Anthony,GOOD One!Enjoyed it - will be sharing with friends.Mac-Original Message->From: anthony Sent: Mar 10, 2021 3:01 PMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Ice fishing dream LOMGuy wants to go ice fishing.He, a buddy, and his dog drive new pickup out onto the ice.Ice is really thick.Guy doesn't want to work hard to make a hole in the ice.Has a bright idea to create a hole with dynamite.Lights the dynamite and throws it fifty yards out.Dog, a retriever, runs after the dynamite and starts to bring it back.Guy thinks, oh soft doggy poop!Starts yelling and screaming and waving and throwing things to keep dog away.Dog gets scared and runs under pickup.Dynamite goes off.Ice breaks and new pickup truck sinks.Kind of like a Montana country and western song, already lost his do and his truck, wife is going to hear about lost new truck and take trailer and leave.__It is better to debate an important matter without settling it than to settle it without debating it..>-Original Message- >From: Tim Ziegler>Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 10:35 AM>To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>Subject: Re: Ice fishing dream LOMHey come on the suspense is killing me?Not only that the rain is destroying my ice and my last chance to go out this year.Kind Regards,Timothy J. ZieglerOn Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 9:19 AM anthony  wrote:Do you know the one about making the hole in the ice with dynamite, the newtruck, and the dog that fetches?___It is better to debate an important matter without settling it than tosettle it without debating it.-Original Message- From: Tim ZieglerSent: Sunday, March 07, 2021 8:38 PMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: Ice fishing dream LOMHey Mac you'd asked about my fish house set up. Here it is. Sorry doors are zipped open



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Re: Ice fishing dream LOM

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Ok, Anthony,We want to hear about the Swede in Minnie-soda with the new truck, his fetching dog an da hole in da ice.LoL!Mac-Original Message-From: anthony Sent: Mar 8, 2021 5:38 PMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Ice fishing dream LOMDo you know the one about making the hole in the ice with dynamite, the new truck, and the dog that fetches?___It is better to debate an important matter without settling it than to settle it without debating it.-Original Message- From: Tim ZieglerSent: Sunday, March 07, 2021 8:38 PMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: Ice fishing dream LOMHey Mac you'd asked about my fish house set up. Here it is. Sorry doors are zipped open



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That's GREAT!  Thanks for sharing.At that price, I'm thinking you are getting one of the two Bill or Curtis mentioned to you.Either the 2X "Multiplier Gear set" or the .25 Reduction Gear set.  One or the other - not both.They are not light.  Hoping they have a sweetheart deal with UPS so you get a reasonably low S&H charge.Have a wonderful week.Mac-Original Message-
From: Brett Giger 
Sent: Mar 8, 2021 11:35 PM
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Subject: 

I was on the fly didnt take good notes but stoked im getting them.






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Hi Brett,Which Gear Sets did you order?How much are the Gear Sets selling for?What was their S & H charge like - reasonable?Did Cindy give you an EDD (Expected Delivery Date)? Thanks for sharing the info with us.Mac-Original Message-
From: Brett Giger 
Sent: Mar 8, 2021 8:20 PM
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Yeah she was all business man it's pretty cool and they were in stockOn Mon, Mar 8, 2021, 4:15 PM Tim Ziegler  wrote:Hey great to hear Brett. That's how I did it too. I knew I wanted and just did itOn Mon, Mar 8, 2021, 5:35 PM Brett Giger  wrote:I got my gear sets ordered today thats a step in the right direction



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Re: Ice fishing dream LOM

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Tim,Thanks.Really "Cool"! LoLWhat is that black device on the ice - near the left rear corner of the truck?Looks like it wll collapse down for transport & storage.Mac-Original Message-
From: Tim Ziegler 
Sent: Mar 7, 2021 9:38 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Ice fishing dream LOM

Hey Mac you'd asked about my fish house set up. Here it is. Sorry doors are zipped open



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RE: "TurningAround" website - Split block modification - by Brian Slater

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e left.  It is a Delrin® block that engages the Acme threaded rod: Split block modification -  Brian SlaterMy question:  Brian modified it - drilling and installing a steel pin.  Can someone explain what he did and was trying to accomplish? Anyone have any idea where Brian Slater is?  Brian - are you lurking here - on The Group's postings?  If so, will you please explain your modification? Thanks.Mac-Original Message- From: Tim Ziegler Sent: Feb 22, 2021 9:14 PM To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: for beginners Yup still pops right upOn Mon, Feb 22, 2021, 7:33 PM <bulke...@mmnet.com.au> wrote:The sight is working for me again I can see every thing again go try it every body and see if its working for you all https://ornamentalmills.com/turningaround/index.html BillFrom: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of artmarb...@comcast.netSent: Tuesday, 23 February 2021 6:48 AMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: for beginners At this moment, it appears to be a browser issue. I can’t get to the site using firefox. There is no problem when using chrome.  Can anyone verify this?From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of wm.o.he...@gmail.comSent: Friday, February 19, 2021 6:12 PMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: for beginners Issue may not be with the website itself; but with the server on which it is hosted. You go through  the server security to get to the web site. Not something we can fix. How long has this been happening? They may get around to doing the security updates in a few days. Web site manager may want to contact server operator to alert them to the situation.BillFrom: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of M.W.FoscueSent: Friday, February 19, 2021 2:05 PMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: for beginners Bill,Thanks - comforting to know that I am not "alone" with the challenge.Mac-Original Message- From: wm.o.he...@gmail.com Sent: Feb 19, 2021 4:12 AM To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: for beginners I use Bitdefender security software on my computer and I am having the same issue accessing the website for the same reason. The security certificate for the site is outdated and needs to be updated by the host for secure access to the site. I can only access the site if I override my security software; generally not a good idea. Bill HenryFrom: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of M.W.FoscueSent: Friday, February 19, 2021 1:30 AMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: for beginners I went into my Browser (Firefox) mothership's site and looked the "error message" up.Here is what they have published for the issue I was having:Appears to me that the "owner" of the website needs to do some "housekeeping".When they do, I should be able to log intotha site with no problaems.Thanks.MacWebsite issuesTLS version unsupportedSome websites try using outdated (no longer secure) Transport Layer Security (TLS) mechanisms in an attempt to secure your connection. Firefox protects you by preventing navigation to such sites if there is a problem in securely establishing a connection. Contact the owners of the website and ask them to update their TLS version to a version that is still current and still secure. Starting in Firefox version 78, the minimum TLS version allowed by default is TLS 1.2. Websites that don't support TLS version 1.2 or higher will display a Secure Connection Failed error page with Error code: SSL_ERROR_UNSUPPORTED_VERSION and a message that This website might not support the TLS 1.2 protocol, which is the minimum version supported by Firefox.-Original Message- From: bulke...@mmnet.com.au Sent: Feb 18, 2021 10:55 PM To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: for beginners Very funny guys very funny lol😊Seriously mac it could be your email provider I cant ever email you off the group it just will never work its been like that for many months now you have missed out on so much stuff.Every body else works just not to you BillFrom: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Tim ZieglerSent: Friday, 19 February 2021 2:28 PMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: for beginners yea lol for sure at best sand flea's or fire ants right. Kind Regards, Timothy J. ZieglerOn Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 9:18 PM M.W.Foscue <mwfos...@earthlink.net> wrote:Ya never know what might come out of Australia.They have marsupials - you know!Kangaroos, Wallabies, wombats, and Koala and CocaCola Bears abound!!No telling what kind of "bugs" they've got!Mac--

RE: "TurningAround" website - Split block modification - by Brian Slater

[M.W.Foscue]

y 2021 6:48 AMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: for beginners At this moment, it appears to be a browser issue. I can’t get to the site using firefox. There is no problem when using chrome.  Can anyone verify this?From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of wm.o.he...@gmail.comSent: Friday, February 19, 2021 6:12 PMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: for beginners Issue may not be with the website itself; but with the server on which it is hosted. You go through  the server security to get to the web site. Not something we can fix. How long has this been happening? They may get around to doing the security updates in a few days. Web site manager may want to contact server operator to alert them to the situation.BillFrom: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of M.W.FoscueSent: Friday, February 19, 2021 2:05 PMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: for beginners Bill,Thanks - comforting to know that I am not "alone" with the challenge.Mac-Original Message- From: wm.o.he...@gmail.com Sent: Feb 19, 2021 4:12 AM To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: for beginners I use Bitdefender security software on my computer and I am having the same issue accessing the website for the same reason. The security certificate for the site is outdated and needs to be updated by the host for secure access to the site. I can only access the site if I override my security software; generally not a good idea. Bill HenryFrom: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of M.W.FoscueSent: Friday, February 19, 2021 1:30 AMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: for beginners I went into my Browser (Firefox) mothership's site and looked the "error message" up.Here is what they have published for the issue I was having:Appears to me that the "owner" of the website needs to do some "housekeeping".When they do, I should be able to log intotha site with no problaems.Thanks.MacWebsite issuesTLS version unsupportedSome websites try using outdated (no longer secure) Transport Layer Security (TLS) mechanisms in an attempt to secure your connection. Firefox protects you by preventing navigation to such sites if there is a problem in securely establishing a connection. Contact the owners of the website and ask them to update their TLS version to a version that is still current and still secure. Starting in Firefox version 78, the minimum TLS version allowed by default is TLS 1.2. Websites that don't support TLS version 1.2 or higher will display a Secure Connection Failed error page with Error code: SSL_ERROR_UNSUPPORTED_VERSION and a message that This website might not support the TLS 1.2 protocol, which is the minimum version supported by Firefox.-Original Message- From: bulke...@mmnet.com.au Sent: Feb 18, 2021 10:55 PM To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: for beginners Very funny guys very funny lol😊Seriously mac it could be your email provider I cant ever email you off the group it just will never work its been like that for many months now you have missed out on so much stuff.Every body else works just not to you BillFrom: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Tim ZieglerSent: Friday, 19 February 2021 2:28 PMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: for beginners yea lol for sure at best sand flea's or fire ants right. Kind Regards, Timothy J. ZieglerOn Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 9:18 PM M.W.Foscue <mwfos...@earthlink.net> wrote:Ya never know what might come out of Australia.They have marsupials - you know!Kangaroos, Wallabies, wombats, and Koala and CocaCola Bears abound!!No telling what kind of "bugs" they've got!Mac-Original Message- From: Tim Ziegler Sent: Feb 18, 2021 10:11 PM To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: for beginners Hopefully we didn't pick up a bug some how?But it opened right up for me?Kind Regards, Timothy J. ZieglerOn Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 8:03 PM Harvey Matyas <hmatyas0...@gmail.com> wrote:I got the same error, it has to do with certificates or something like that.  I told my virus software to ignore it and it worked.It didn't like it but it works, On Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 7:51 PM M.W.Foscue <mwfos...@earthlink.net> wrote:Bill, I tried the below link you sent to the turningaround site.  No luck.Here is what I get on the Error Page:Secure Connection FailedAn error occurred during a connection to ornamentalmills.com. Peer’s Certificate has been revoked.Error code: SEC_ERROR_REVOKED_CERTIFICATE    The page you are trying to view cannot be shown because the authenticity of the received data could not be verified.  

Re: "TurningAround" website - Split block modification - by Brian Slater

[M.W.Foscue]

Curtis,Thanks.  No real need to contact him - except just a note to tell him that his "Split block modification" was a topic (item) of discussion on out Group's board.  If you do contact him, please tell him thanks for his past participation and contribution.Wow - he joined WAY Back - that was exactly SIXTEEN years ago!Mac-Original Message-
From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Sent: Feb 23, 2021 9:30 AM
To: "legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com" 
Subject: Re: "TurningAround" website - Split block modification - by Brian Slater


HI Mac. (Brian Slater) Joined Feb 22 2005.All that I can tell you is, He still is on the list, and he requested NO E-mails, The old format use, to tell me last/most recent  postings... but the new format only tells me when he joined, and some other "private" details that are not important.I would guess that I could e-mail him and see if he reply's if you like?C.A.G.





    On Tuesday, February 23, 2021, 01:57:09 AM EST, M.W.Foscue  wrote:



Curtis & Bill,Thanks. nice background info.Is Brian still around?  Anybody know?Mac-Original Message-
From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Sent: Feb 23, 2021 12:27 AM
To: "legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com" 
Subject: Re: "TurningAround" website - Split block modification - by Brian Slater


Hello MacJust to add a little bit to Bills story.I remember talking to Brian about this...The problem was the split nut would slip out of the acme screw while cutting. This has happened to me a few times in the early years of me using my Legacy, as well.There were a few problems that were not addressed at this time. For me the split nut, slipping was due more to the slides of the carriage being to hard to move, that and heavy cuts of the router at the same time that caused the split nut to pull out of the threads of the acme screw. but  Brian's thoughts were at the time, to keep the slip nut locked into place on the screw by use of the pins. And it worked for him.For me I find that the slip nut slipping to be a safety measure of sorts. I have had a few (very few) mess ups in the past years, where the motor limit switch did not turn the motor off when the carriage hit its manual stop.  at that time I was very glad to see, my machine did not tear its self apart when this happened. When the tork become to much, the slip nut dis-engaged saving my machine form damage.A funny part of this story happened, a few months after.  When Mike Pung came over my shop, I told him of the problems that I was having. I told him I did everything that the book said to do. He then asked me it I have adjusted the carriage locking screws? I told him NO, the book said those were factory set, and I should NOT touch them. "Well" Mike said, let me try this, He loosened the screws and then re-tightened them back down, By re-adjusting those screws he removed a slight pinching of the slides that I had, The release of tension ,letting my carriage start moving the way it was meant to move. I didn't have any idea, on how much power it took to move my carriage, until after...  YOU see some times something fails and it was not the part failing, that was the problem, but something else all together. ;-)Live and Learn. Have a good night.C.A.G.





On Monday, February 22, 2021, 10:41:41 PM EST,   wrote:



Some of the older split nuts didn’t have bits on the sides of them that slides on each side of the metal plate that the split nut sits and slides along witch made it a little more difficult to easily engage Bruce over came this problem with a metal pin . hope this explains it. and it’s the third from the left  Bill From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M.W.FoscueSent: Tuesday, 23 February 2021 2:01 PMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: "TurningAround" website - Split block modification - by Brian Slater  I'm changing the Subject line - so that any answers/discussion will be able to be found.  Question:  On the linked site (below) - go to the bottom row of images, then the second one in from the left.  It is a Delrin® block that engages the Acme threaded rod: Split block modification -  Brian SlaterMy question:  Brian modified it - drilling and installing a steel pin.  Can someone explain what he did and was trying to accomplish?  Anyone have any idea where Brian Slater is?  Brian - are you lurking here - on The Group's postings?  If so, will you please explain your modification?  Thanks.Mac-Original Message- From: Tim Ziegler Sent: Feb 22, 2021 9:14 

Re: for beginners

[M.W.Foscue]

 protocol, which is the minimum version supported by Firefox.-Original Message- From: bulk...@mmnet.com.au Sent: Feb 18, 2021 10:55 PM To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: for beginners Very funny guys very funny lol😊Seriously mac it could be your email provider I cant ever email you off the group it just will never work its been like that for many months now you have missed out on so much stuff.Every body else works just not to you BillFrom: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com <legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Tim ZieglerSent: Friday, 19 February 2021 2:28 PMTo: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: for beginners yea lol for sure at best sand flea's or fire ants right. Kind Regards, Timothy J. ZieglerZiegler WoodWork & Specialty14171 160th Ave.Foreston MN 56330 320-294-5798 shop320-630-2243 cell  On Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 9:18 PM M.W.Foscue <mwfo...@earthlink.net> wrote:Ya never know what might come out of Australia.They have marsupials - you know!Kangaroos, Wallabies, wombats, and Koala and CocaCola Bears abound!!No telling what kind of "bugs" they've got!Mac-Original Message- From: Tim Ziegler Sent: Feb 18, 2021 10:11 PM To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: for beginners Hopefully we didn't pick up a bug some how?But it opened right up for me?Kind Regards, Timothy J. ZieglerOn Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 8:03 PM Harvey Matyas <hmaty...@gmail.com> wrote:I got the same error, it has to do with certificates or something like that.  I told my virus software to ignore it and it worked.It didn't like it but it works, On Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 7:51 PM M.W.Foscue <mwfo...@earthlink.net> wrote:Bill, I tried the below link you sent to the turningaround site.  No luck.Here is what I get on the Error Page:Secure Connection FailedAn error occurred during a connection to ornamentalmills.com. Peer’s Certificate has been revoked.Error code: SEC_ERROR_REVOKED_CERTIFICATE    The page you are trying to view cannot be shown because the authenticity of the received data could not be verified.    Please contact the website owners to inform them of this problem.Am I the only one having this problem?Thanks.Mac-Original Message- From: bulk...@mmnet.com.au Sent: Feb 18, 2021 6:25 PM To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com Subject: for beginners This link is for all newbees we all know it but new to the legacy may not https://ornamentalmills.com/turningaround/index.html lots of browsing here Bill



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Re: "TurningAround" website - Split block modification - by Brian Slater

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tes in a few days. Web site manager may want to contact server operator to alert them to the situation.BillFrom: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of M.W.FoscueSent: Friday, February 19, 2021 2:05 PMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: for beginners Bill,Thanks - comforting to know that I am not "alone" with the challenge.Mac-Original Message- From: wm.o.he...@gmail.com Sent: Feb 19, 2021 4:12 AM To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: for beginners I use Bitdefender security software on my computer and I am having the same issue accessing the website for the same reason. The security certificate for the site is outdated and needs to be updated by the host for secure access to the site. I can only access the site if I override my security software; generally not a good idea. Bill HenryFrom: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of M.W.FoscueSent: Friday, February 19, 2021 1:30 AMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: for beginners I went into my Browser (Firefox) mothership's site and looked the "error message" up.Here is what they have published for the issue I was having:Appears to me that the "owner" of the website needs to do some "housekeeping".When they do, I should be able to log intotha site with no problaems.Thanks.MacWebsite issuesTLS version unsupportedSome websites try using outdated (no longer secure) Transport Layer Security (TLS) mechanisms in an attempt to secure your connection. Firefox protects you by preventing navigation to such sites if there is a problem in securely establishing a connection. Contact the owners of the website and ask them to update their TLS version to a version that is still current and still secure. Starting in Firefox version 78, the minimum TLS version allowed by default is TLS 1.2. Websites that don't support TLS version 1.2 or higher will display a Secure Connection Failed error page with Error code: SSL_ERROR_UNSUPPORTED_VERSION and a message that This website might not support the TLS 1.2 protocol, which is the minimum version supported by Firefox.-Original Message- From: bulke...@mmnet.com.au Sent: Feb 18, 2021 10:55 PM To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: for beginners Very funny guys very funny lol😊Seriously mac it could be your email provider I cant ever email you off the group it just will never work its been like that for many months now you have missed out on so much stuff.Every body else works just not to you BillFrom: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Tim ZieglerSent: Friday, 19 February 2021 2:28 PMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: for beginners yea lol for sure at best sand flea's or fire ants right. Kind Regards, Timothy J. ZieglerOn Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 9:18 PM M.W.Foscue <mwfos...@earthlink.net> wrote:Ya never know what might come out of Australia.They have marsupials - you know!Kangaroos, Wallabies, wombats, and Koala and CocaCola Bears abound!!No telling what kind of "bugs" they've got!Mac-Original Message- From: Tim Ziegler Sent: Feb 18, 2021 10:11 PM To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: for beginners Hopefully we didn't pick up a bug some how?But it opened right up for me?Kind Regards, Timothy J. ZieglerOn Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 8:03 PM Harvey Matyas <hmatyas0...@gmail.com> wrote:I got the same error, it has to do with certificates or something like that.  I told my virus software to ignore it and it worked.It didn't like it but it works, On Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 7:51 PM M.W.Foscue <mwfos...@earthlink.net> wrote:Bill, I tried the below link you sent to the turningaround site.  No luck.Here is what I get on the Error Page:Secure Connection FailedAn error occurred during a connection to ornamentalmills.com. Peer’s Certificate has been revoked.Error code: SEC_ERROR_REVOKED_CERTIFICATE    The page you are trying to view cannot be shown because the authenticity of the received data could not be verified.    Please contact the website owners to inform them of this problem.Am I the only one having this problem?Thanks.Mac-Original Message- From: bulke...@mmnet.com.au Sent: Feb 18, 2021 6:25 PM To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Subject: for beginners This link is for all newbees we all know it but new to the legacy may not https://ornamentalmills.com/turningaround/index.html lots of browsing here Bill



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"TurningAround" website - Split block modification - by Brian Slater

[M.W.Foscue]

I'm changing the Subject line - so that any answers/discussion will be able to be found.Question:  On the linked site (below) - go to the bottom row of images, then the second one in from the left.  It is a Delrin® block that engages the Acme threaded rod: Split block modification -  Brian SlaterMy question:  Brian modified it - drilling and installing a steel pin.  Can someone explain what he did and was trying to accomplish?Anyone have any idea where Brian Slater is?  Brian - are you lurking here - on The Group's postings?  If so, will you please explain your modification?Thanks.Mac-Original Message-
From: Tim Ziegler 
Sent: Feb 22, 2021 9:14 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: for beginners

Yup still pops right upOn Mon, Feb 22, 2021, 7:33 PM  <bulke...@mmnet.com.au> wrote:The sight is working for me again I can see every thing again go try it every body and see if its working for you all https://ornamentalmills.com/turningaround/index.html BillFrom: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of artmarb...@comcast.netSent: Tuesday, 23 February 2021 6:48 AMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: for beginners At this moment, it appears to be a browser issue. I can’t get to the site using firefox. There is no problem when using chrome.  Can anyone verify this?From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of wm.o.he...@gmail.comSent: Friday, February 19, 2021 6:12 PMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: for beginners Issue may not be with the website itself; but with the server on which it is hosted. You go through  the server security to get to the web site. Not something we can fix. How long has this been happening? They may get around to doing the security updates in a few days. Web site manager may want to contact server operator to alert them to the situation.BillFrom: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of M.W.FoscueSent: Friday, February 19, 2021 2:05 PMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: for beginners Bill,Thanks - comforting to know that I am not "alone" with the challenge.Mac-Original Message- From: wm.o.he...@gmail.com Sent: Feb 19, 2021 4:12 AM To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: for beginners I use Bitdefender security software on my computer and I am having the same issue accessing the website for the same reason. The security certificate for the site is outdated and needs to be updated by the host for secure access to the site. I can only access the site if I override my security software; generally not a good idea. Bill HenryFrom: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of M.W.FoscueSent: Friday, February 19, 2021 1:30 AMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: for beginners I went into my Browser (Firefox) mothership's site and looked the "error message" up.Here is what they have published for the issue I was having:Appears to me that the "owner" of the website needs to do some "housekeeping".When they do, I should be able to log intotha site with no problaems.Thanks.MacWebsite issuesTLS version unsupportedSome websites try using outdated (no longer secure) Transport Layer Security (TLS) mechanisms in an attempt to secure your connection. Firefox protects you by preventing navigation to such sites if there is a problem in securely establishing a connection. Contact the owners of the website and ask them to update their TLS version to a version that is still current and still secure. Starting in Firefox version 78, the minimum TLS version allowed by default is TLS 1.2. Websites that don't support TLS version 1.2 or higher will display a Secure Connection Failed error page with Error code: SSL_ERROR_UNSUPPORTED_VERSION and a message that This website might not support the TLS 1.2 protocol, which is the minimum version supported by Firefox.-Original Message- From: bulke...@mmnet.com.au Sent: Feb 18, 2021 10:55 PM To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: for beginners Very funny guys very funny lol😊Seriously mac it could be your email provider I cant ever email you off the group it just will never work its been like that for many months now you have missed out on so much stuff.Every body else works just not to you BillFrom: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Tim ZieglerSent: Friday, 19 February 2021 2:28 PMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: for beginners yea lol for sure at best sand flea's or fire ants right. Kind Regards, Timothy J. ZieglerOn Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 9:18 PM M.W.Foscue <mwfos...@earthlink.net> wrote:Ya never kno