from:"Cathy"

If I understand it correctly when citing a Census, the citation 
includes the name of the person (ID of Person in Legacy) and that 
means each family member's name would be listed separately for the 
source assigned to them.  Since each different citation shows up as a 
separate source in the endnotes, if there's a family of 10, then 
there would be 10 separate citations in the endnotes for that single 
Census.  This would add up for 3 or 4 or more Census' per family.


Is it appropriate to just enter in the ID of Person field just the 
head of household's name (i.e. John Smith Family) for all citations 
of that Census rather than each individual's name when assigning that 
Census to each family member listed on the Census?


In other words for the 1850 Census for John Smith's family, instead 
of listing Sally Smith on the Detail Source for her, Jim Smith on 
his, John Smith on his, etc, would it be appropriate to list John 
Smith Family as the ID of Person on the Detail Source for all 
family members resulting in one citation in the endnotes?


Cathy Vallevieni
Orange County, CA




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RE: [LegacyUG] Census Source Citation Question


Kirsten:

I think I didn't word the question properly.  I am entering one 
source for the Census with all the family members as an Event but, 
when I add that Event to each person and assign a source to the 
event, on the Detail Source screen, it asks for the ID of Person 
which prints in the Source Citation in the endnotes.  For just that 
entry in the Detail Source screen for the Source Citation, would you 
enter each person separately or use a generic ID for all so there is 
just one Source Citation listed in the endnotes rather than a Source 
Citation for each person?


Cathy Vallevieni
Orange County, CA


At 11:40 PM 6/24/2009, you wrote:

Cathy:

I'd say you should absolutely group the whole family in one citation.
Breaking them into separate citations for individual family member would
lead to craziness--not to mention loss of the complete family picture.  I
frequently find two related families on a single page or on adjacent pages
and include both families in a single citation, making it clear, of course,
that they are separate households.

Kirsten

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To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Census Source Citation Question


If I understand it correctly when citing a Census, the citation
includes the name of the person (ID of Person in Legacy) and that
means each family member's name would be listed separately for the
source assigned to them.  Since each different citation shows up as a
separate source in the endnotes, if there's a family of 10, then
there would be 10 separate citations in the endnotes for that single
Census.  This would add up for 3 or 4 or more Census' per family.

Is it appropriate to just enter in the ID of Person field just the
head of household's name (i.e. John Smith Family) for all citations
of that Census rather than each individual's name when assigning that
Census to each family member listed on the Census?

In other words for the 1850 Census for John Smith's family, instead
of listing Sally Smith on the Detail Source for her, Jim Smith on
his, John Smith on his, etc, would it be appropriate to list John
Smith Family as the ID of Person on the Detail Source for all
family members resulting in one citation in the endnotes?

Cathy Vallevieni
Orange County, CA






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Re: [LegacyUG] Census Source Citation Question

Thank you all who responded.  Now I feel comfortable entering just 
the household name and having one citation for the Census without 
being concerned about breaking some citation rule.


Cathy Vallevieni
Orange County, CA


At 11:52 AM 6/25/2009, you wrote:

Cathy,  In this situation, I still use the head of household in the 
citation.  However, I add he was a boarder in Joel DeBoard's house 
in the Notes on Michael Smith's census Event.  I like the way that 
looks on the reports I run.  So maybe that is just personal preference.

--Paula


--- On Thu, 6/25/09, Janis L Gilmore rajan...@earthlink.net wrote:

 Cathy,

 I cite the head of household: Joel F. DeBoard household.

 The exception is when it is someone of a different surname,
 boarding in the
 household, or a nephew in the household, etc. In which
 case, I cite it as
 Joel F. DeBoard household, for Michael Smith, boarder.

 Janis Walker Gilmore


 On 6/25/09 1:59 AM, Cathy Vallevieni cathyv...@cox.net
 wrote:

  If I understand it correctly when citing a Census, the
 citation
  includes the name of the person (ID of Person in
 Legacy) and that
  means each family member's name would be listed
 separately for the
  source assigned to them.  Since each different
 citation shows up as a
  separate source in the endnotes, if there's a family
 of 10, then
  there would be 10 separate citations in the endnotes
 for that single
  Census.  This would add up for 3 or 4 or more
 Census' per family.
 
  Is it appropriate to just enter in the ID of Person
 field just the
  head of household's name (i.e. John Smith Family) for
 all citations
  of that Census rather than each individual's name when
 assigning that
  Census to each family member listed on the Census?
 
  In other words for the 1850 Census for John Smith's
 family, instead
  of listing Sally Smith on the Detail Source for her,
 Jim Smith on
  his, John Smith on his, etc, would it be appropriate
 to list John
  Smith Family as the ID of Person on the Detail
 Source for all
  family members resulting in one citation in the
 endnotes?
 
  Cathy Vallevieni
  Orange County, CA




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Re: [LegacyUG] Location Names and Addresses--mapping


Paula:

To see the function, click the Mapping icon on the tool bar at the 
top of the main screen.  Also in the Help Function, search Map then 
select Create Graphics File and it will explain a different way to 
get the map.


Yes, it is related to the geo location database but the mapping 
function puts pins in the map for every place that applies to an 
individual person.


I don't know that there are any pros or cons.  You should just try 
all the functions to see if it accomplishes what you would like to 
do.  I print a Chronology Report for a person and click on the 
locations in date order to see the migration of an individual but 
just looking at the map still shows gives you a picture of everywhere 
the person was.  Play with the aerial view and 3d view, too.


Cathy Vallevieni
Orange County, CA


At 12:16 PM 6/25/2009, you wrote:

You all have piqued my interest in mapping!  Can someone please 
tell me the best place to look to learn about this mapping 
capability?  And is it related to the geo location database?   I 
would also appreciate any significant pros  cons you might be 
willing to share.

Thanks in advance,
--Paula in Texas
(yes, where it's over 100 degrees again today)

--- On Wed, 6/24/09, Linda McCauley lindafmccau...@gmail.com wrote:

 In addition to the reasons already
 mentioned by others, I like the
 ability to mark each cemetery location on the map. (Many
 times the
 mapping feature will automatically find the actual cemetery
 but if
 not, I can manually mark it.)

 Linda M.


 On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Cathy chorn0...@verizon.net
 wrote:
 
  I've a question to all who place the cemetery name
 into the Location field: why don't you use the Burial
 Address section?
 
  I use the Burial Address section and when I want to
 see who I have buried in a specific cemetery, I can go into
 Burial Address - Address List.  Then I select a
 specific cemetery, click on the Show List button and then
 click on the Print button.  Then when I go to the cemetery
 to take photographs, I have the list of everyone I need to
 find.  If I want several cemeteries, I can tag them and
 print those tagged lists.
 
  Also, once I've placed a cemetery into the Burial
 List, I can call it up from the Address List and I don't
 have to recreate the name and address over and over again.
  I can also add the cemetery's phone number, GPS
 coordinates, web address and additional information in the
 cemetery's notes fields (i.e., directions on getting there
 or notes on how old the cemetery is.)
 
  I realize that different people have different styles,
 but I was curious as to why you would prefer placing
 cemetery names into a location field and getting reports
 that way as opposed to using the cemetery burial address
 field which allows for so much more.
 
  Just curious.
 
  Cathy




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Re: [LegacyUG] Location Names and Addresses

2009-06-24 Thread Cathy



I've a question to all who place the cemetery name into the Location 
field: why don't you use the Burial Address section?


I use the Burial Address section and when I want to see who I have 
buried in a specific cemetery, I can go into Burial Address - 
Address List.  Then I select a specific cemetery, click on the Show 
List button and then click on the Print button.  Then when I go to 
the cemetery to take photographs, I have the list of everyone I need 
to find.  If I want several cemeteries, I can tag them and print 
those tagged lists.


Also, once I've placed a cemetery into the Burial List, I can call it 
up from the Address List and I don't have to recreate the name and 
address over and over again.  I can also add the cemetery's phone 
number, GPS coordinates, web address and additional information in 
the cemetery's notes fields (i.e., directions on getting there or 
notes on how old the cemetery is.)


I realize that different people have different styles, but I was 
curious as to why you would prefer placing cemetery names into a 
location field and getting reports that way as opposed to using the 
cemetery burial address field which allows for so much more.


Just curious.

Cathy



At 06:42 PM 2/8/2009 -0700, you wrote:
Here is how I use the four fields to keep my city, county, state, 
country organized:


1.  Always use the 4 fields inserting commas if you are missing data.
2. Handle Cemeteries, Churches, etc by using a -

Here is an example:
Cemetery:  Porter Cemetery
City:  Wichita
County:  Sedgwick
State:  Kansas
Country:  USA

Wichita - Porter Cemetery, Sedgrwck County, Kansas, USA

Notice the four fields are separated with commas.

You can do the same with Churches.

Doing it this way, you always have the Churchs and Cemeteries sorted 
by their City, County, State, Country.


Try it, you might like it.
Chap





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Re: [LegacyUG] Location Names and Addresses

2009-06-24 Thread Cathy Vallevieni


Cathy:

I have the same reasons as everyone that already replied plus I use 
the mapping feature to view and track the history of where a person 
lived and died and key places like their homes and burial 
locations.  It seems like an extra step to use the Burial Address 
section when it can be placed in the original location field which 
shows on the screen, prints on reports, you can get a list of all 
people using that location in the Locations list, etc.


Cathy Vallevieni (by the way, nice first name you have!)
Orange County, California

At 09:18 AM 6/24/2009, you wrote:

I've a question to all who place the cemetery name into the Location 
field: why don't you use the Burial Address section?


I use the Burial Address section and when I want to see who I have 
buried in a specific cemetery, I can go into Burial Address - 
Address List.  Then I select a specific cemetery, click on the Show 
List button and then click on the Print button.  Then when I go to 
the cemetery to take photographs, I have the list of everyone I need 
to find.  If I want several cemeteries, I can tag them and print 
those tagged lists.


Also, once I've placed a cemetery into the Burial List, I can call 
it up from the Address List and I don't have to recreate the name 
and address over and over again.  I can also add the cemetery's 
phone number, GPS coordinates, web address and additional 
information in the cemetery's notes fields (i.e., directions on 
getting there or notes on how old the cemetery is.)


I realize that different people have different styles, but I was 
curious as to why you would prefer placing cemetery names into a 
location field and getting reports that way as opposed to using the 
cemetery burial address field which allows for so much more.


Just curious.

Cathy



At 06:42 PM 2/8/2009 -0700, you wrote:
Here is how I use the four fields to keep my city, county, state, 
country organized:


1.  Always use the 4 fields inserting commas if you are missing data.
2. Handle Cemeteries, Churches, etc by using a -

Here is an example:
Cemetery:  Porter Cemetery
City:  Wichita
County:  Sedgwick
State:  Kansas
Country:  USA

Wichita - Porter Cemetery, Sedgrwck County, Kansas, USA

Notice the four fields are separated with commas.

You can do the same with Churches.

Doing it this way, you always have the Churchs and Cemeteries 
sorted by their City, County, State, Country.


Try it, you might like it.
Chap





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RE: [LegacyUG] Location Issues

2009-06-22 Thread Cathy Vallevieni


Ross:

I agree with Paula about the right-to-left sort 
for the Location list.  This solved my problem of 
wanting to include the names of cemeteries, 
churches, addresses, etc. for some ancestors as 
well as the different naming structure in other 
countries.  No matter how many parts you 
include in a location, it always sorts them 
perfectly and you can find them instantly yet 
reports have all the information you want on them.


Cathy Vallevieni
Orange County, CA


At 01:03 PM 6/22/2009, you wrote:

Ross,  A few days ago, someone on this list 
pointed out to me the right-to-left sort for my 
Location list, and I have never looked 
back!  I've just tested, and it handles even 6 
break-downs of a location.  See if you like 
that sort.  Then it will never matter how many 
break-downs you have... at least as far as I can see.
I also stopped trying to use placeholder commas 
because I really couldn't make heads or tails of 
them.  With the right-to-left sort everything 
lines up even if you don't have extra commas.

--Paula


--- On Mon, 6/22/09, Ross Chapman ross.chap...@rogers.com wrote:



 Thanks
 for your responses. Looks
 like I am going to pull out the placeholder commas and just
 go ahead and post
 in what I know. I really donât have to worry about
 mapping features as the
 places where a number of relatives were born are not in the
 database. You wonât
 fin the small villages in there as they only go down to the
 Township level.
 Rosseau, Hekkla and the others all have to be manually
 mapped which fortunately
 I can do and have done.





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RE: [LegacyUG] Location Issues

2009-06-22 Thread Cathy Vallevieni


Ross:

You may not have to convert anything if you already have them entered as:

123 Main St., Anaheim, California, USA
Anaheim, California, USA
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
All Saint's Cemetery, Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada

which will show as the following on your 
Locations list if sorted right-to-left:


Canada, British Columbia, Vancouver
Canada, Ontario, Toronto
Canada, Ontario, Toronto, All Saint's Cemetery
USA, California, Anaheim
USA, California, Anaheim, 123 Main St.

Sort what you have right-to-left on the Locations 
list and you'll see if anything needs to be changed pretty easily.


If this doesn't answer your question, please let me know.

Cathy Vallevieni
Orange County, CA


At 09:19 PM 6/22/2009, you wrote:
So then... the question is will the program 
convert the current locations system wide or 
will I have to manually convert each location? 
If the system will convert the names what are the steps to do so?


Ross Chapman
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
ross.chap...@rogers.com

Visit my genealogy web page at http://rossallanchapman.tribalpages.com

-Original Message-
From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com 
[mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf Of Cathy Vallevieni

Sent: June-22-09 11:48 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Location Issues

Ross:

I agree with Paula about the right-to-left sort
for the Location list.  This solved my problem of
wanting to include the names of cemeteries,
churches, addresses, etc. for some ancestors as
well as the different naming structure in other
countries.  No matter how many parts you
include in a location, it always sorts them
perfectly and you can find them instantly yet
reports have all the information you want on them.

Cathy Vallevieni
Orange County, CA


At 01:03 PM 6/22/2009, you wrote:

Ross,  A few days ago, someone on this list
pointed out to me the right-to-left sort for my
Location list, and I have never looked
back!  I've just tested, and it handles even 6
break-downs of a location.  See if you like
that sort.  Then it will never matter how many
break-downs you have... at least as far as I can see.
I also stopped trying to use placeholder commas
because I really couldn't make heads or tails of
them.  With the right-to-left sort everything
lines up even if you don't have extra commas.
--Paula


--- On Mon, 6/22/09, Ross Chapman ross.chap...@rogers.com wrote:

 
 
  Thanks
  for your responses. Looks
  like I am going to pull out the placeholder commas and just
  go ahead and post
  in what I know. I really donÃ¢t have to worry ry about
  mapping features as the
  places where a number of relatives were born are not in the
  database. You wonÃ¢t
t
  fin the small villages in there as they only go down to the
  Township level.
  Rosseau, Hekkla and the others all have to be manually
  mapped which fortunately
  I can do and have done.
 




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Re: [LegacyUG] Report of children and their spouse

2009-06-21 Thread Cathy



Have you looked at a Family Group Sheet?  It would give you all of 
that, depending on what options you include.



At 05:33 PM 6/21/2009 -0400, you wrote:
I can't find any option that allows me to get a list of children of 
a particular couple and include the child's married names.  I know I 
can just do a list of children by setting the number of generations, 
and then write in by hand the names of spouses, but that doesn't 
seem very elegant.  Surely this is a simple thing and I am just 
missing something.


Jane S






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[LegacyUG] Cite Undertaker as an event?

2009-06-14 Thread Cathy Vallevieni

I have the records of an Undertaker in an area a lot of my ancestors 
lived (and died).  I am citing the record as a source for the death 
and/or burial.  My question is, would you also make it an event such 
as Vail's Undertakers was the undertaker on May 10,1800 in Madison, 
Indiana?  Is this too gruesome?


Cathy Vallevieni
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Re: [LegacyUG] Sources for Notes

2009-06-07 Thread Cathy



I have an event called Miscellaneous Notes which I use.  As I have 
not associated any specific sentence structure with it and it 
includes only notes and sources,  it allows me to do just what you 
suggest below in your email.


At 12:20 PM 6/7/2009 -0400, you wrote:

I would like to enter a source for each piece of information I add into the
Notes section.   I have found that if I add a piece of information taken
from a source and apply the source and then when I add another piece of
information from another source and apply the source to that piece of info,
it doesn't show up for each individual piece of information but a mass of
numbers at the end. Is it possible to have the source numbers show
throughout the notes instead of at the end?

I also would like to add the date I entered a piece of info especially under
Research.  Right now I do it manually.  Is there a way that it can be done
automatically?

Thanks

Marilyn





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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy 7 - question re software corruption

2009-06-03 Thread Cathy Vallevieni


Tim:

Per your request for a repost of my problem and 
Dennis' solution, here they are.


My original problem:

I have never changed a RIN.  I have changed MRINS.

When I view the INDEX, I show up as my maiden 
name and as my married name correctly as RIN #1. 
I also show up for my married name as RIN #8 
which is my husband's grandfather with all of his 
information in all columns except the name column 
(his grandfather also correctly shows up as RIN 
#8). I.E. #1 is my maiden name and my married 
name (correct). RIN #8 is my married name 
(incorrect) and my husband's grandfather 
(correct). When I double click my listing for the 
incorrect RIN #8, my husband's grandfather pops on the screen.


The same situation has occurred for my husband's 
grandmother (correctly RIN #7 for married and 
maiden name) whose married name also shows as RIN 
#2 which is my husband with all of his 
information in all columns except the name column 
(my husband also correctly shows up as RIN #8). 
When I double click my husband's grandmother's 
listing for the incorrect RIN #2, my husband pops on the screen.


The same situation has occurred for my husband's 
aunt (correctly RIN #11 married and maiden name) 
whose married name also shows as RIN #3 which is 
my father with all of his information in all 
columns except the name column (my father also 
correctly shows up as RIN #3). When I double 
click my husband's aunt's listing for the 
incorrect RIN #3, my father pops on the screen.


The three errors occurred with RIN 1 (me), 2 (my 
husband) and 3 (my father) and only for the married name of the women.


These errors also show up when using the SEARCH function.

Any ideas how to correct these 3 additional 
assigning of incorrect RIN #s for the married names of the 3 women?


Dennis' solution:

Cathy and I have (sort of) resolved this off list. I thought I would
post the solution for anyone else that sees this problem.

I took a look at Cathy's tblNX. tblNX contains, among other things, the
married names. Her tblNX married names were all dorked up. I suggested
she turn off married names, then turn them back on. This caused the
married names to be regenerated and solved her immediate problem.

The bigger question remains ... what dorked it up in the first place?
Was there a bug at one point that later got fixed? If so, shouldn't the
new release have rebuilt the married names? Or is there still a bug out
there?

Cathy Vallevieni
Orange County, CA

At 06:53 AM 6/3/2009, you wrote:

Cathy,
I never saw Dennis' reply to your problem. Could 
you or Dennis repost his reply please ?


Tim Rosenlof
Just saw my own post come in from me that Ronald 
had fixed the problem. Good News !


Cathy Vallevieni wrote:
This sounds a bit like my problem where the 
same person was showing up twice in the Index 
(Name List) and one of them showed all the 
information of an incorrect person except the 
name, was attached to the spouse of the wrong 
person and when you clicked Family to go to 
that person, it took you to the incorrect person. (Man, this is confusing!)


Dennis Kowallek, maybe you can confirm that 
this sounds similar to my problem and perhaps 
the same solution will work for her that you suggested for me?


Lisa, I'm not saavy enough to give you advice, so wait for *Dennis'* comment.

Cathy Vallevieni
Orange County, CA


At 04:33 PM 6/2/2009, you wrote:

Good morning

Please excuse me if this isnt the correct forum for this email.

I have been using Legacy for the past few 
years and have been extremely happy with the 
programme. I am using Legacy 7 and regularly 
check for upgrades. I am using Windows Vista.


Today I opened my file to discover that when I 
click on one of the children in one of my 
families (A)  I am taken to a totally 
different individual (B) with no links whatsoever to the first person (A).


I have opened the Name List window and can 
select the individual from that window (A) 
the correct parents etc are shown in the 
right-hand window but Spouse information for 
person B is shown. When I Select person A 
from this window  I am taken to person B with 
no connection to person A at all.


Person A never married and I have no marriage 
links at all for them. When I go into Person B 
directly  there is no common information or link to Person A.


These two people are from totally different 
branches  totally different names  no connection at all.


I have a backup copy of my data but this has 
shaken my confidence in the programme  Im 
not sure now how widespread this problem might 
be  I have over 3,000 individuals in my file.


Has anyone else experienced this type of issue 
 any suggestions for fixing it?


Regards

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RE: [LegacyUG] new event

2009-06-02 Thread Cathy




I had set one up entitled Military Draft Registration as this
allows me to differentiate between someone who served in the military and
one who only registered for the draft. 
Also, I set up the sentence structure as follows: [FirstName]
registered for the military draft for [Desc] [onDate] [atPlace].[Sources]
[Notes]
In the description field, I place the name of the war for which the
person registered. 
This has worked well for me. 
At 05:32 PM 6/2/2009 +0100, you wrote:
Mary,

There already is one for Military Service (at least I don't think I added
it). If you wish to add a more specific one then go to ViewMaster
ListsEvent DefinitionsAdd and create one. Clicking the Reset
button after entering the name and selecting the fields will enter the
sentence definitions, although you may need to change them.
Ron Ferguson

 From: ke...@aol.com
 Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 12:16:30 -0400
 Subject: [LegacyUG] new event
 To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com



 How you I set up an event for registration for draft??? I found
a
 number of draft cards for my uncles for WWI and WWII



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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy 7 - question re software corruption

2009-06-02 Thread Cathy Vallevieni

This sounds a bit like my problem where the same 
person was showing up twice in the Index (Name 
List) and one of them showed all the information 
of an incorrect person except the name, was 
attached to the spouse of the wrong person and 
when you clicked Family to go to that person, 
it took you to the incorrect person.  (Man, this is confusing!)


Dennis Kowallek, maybe you can confirm that this 
sounds similar to my problem and perhaps the same 
solution will work for her that you suggested for me?


Lisa, I'm not saavy enough to give you advice, so wait for Dennis' comment.

Cathy Vallevieni
Orange County, CA


At 04:33 PM 6/2/2009, you wrote:

Good morning

Please excuse me if this isnt the correct forum for this email.

I have been using Legacy for the past few years 
and have been extremely happy with the 
programme. I am using Legacy 7 and regularly 
check for upgrades. I am using Windows Vista.


Today I opened my file to discover that when I 
click on one of the children in one of my 
families (A)  I am taken to a totally different 
individual (B) with no links whatsoever to the first person (A).


I have opened the Name List window and can 
select the individual from that window (A) the 
correct parents etc are shown in the right-hand 
window but Spouse information for person B is 
shown. When I Select person A from this window 
 I am taken to person B with no connection to person A at all.


Person A never married and I have no marriage 
links at all for them. When I go into Person B 
directly  there is no common information or link to Person A.


These two people are from totally different 
branches  totally different names  no connection at all.


I have a backup copy of my data but this has 
shaken my confidence in the programme  Im not 
sure now how widespread this problem might be  
I have over 3,000 individuals in my file.


Has anyone else experienced this type of issue  
any suggestions for fixing it?


Regards

Lisa Faulkner






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Re: [LegacyUG] Printing Name List

2009-05-19 Thread Cathy



 1. From the Family View screen, click on View from the top menu.

2.  From the drop-down menu, select Name List

3. At he bottom of the window, click on the print button

4.  A new window entitled List Report Options will open

5. Select your options and then preview it before printing to make 
sure you have what you want.



At 01:27 PM 5/19/2009 -0500, you wrote:
I have not done any research for about 5 years. I just upgraded from 
5.0 to 7.0.


I would like to print a Names List that includes the MRIN from both 
the person and his/her parents. So far I have not been able to do that.


The example I am using is one from Organizing Your Paper Files that 
is linked from the Legacy website. Apparently it was done using an 
earlier version. Maybe it can't be done in this version.


Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing a Name Found in Obituary

2009-05-19 Thread Cathy

While I have an event labeled Obituary where I
would place the entire Obit into the Notes
section, for the source citation I use the
newspaper in which the obituary was posted as the source citation.

That's how I handle them.

At 04:51 PM 5/19/2009 -0700, you wrote:
I have a woman's obituary, Jane Smith. In the
article it list survivors as daughter
Karen and husband Ray Jones. This obit is the
only place I have found Ray's name
and since it his mother in laws's obit I can't
figure out how to source his name.

Any help would be appreciated.

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[LegacyUG] Any unusual Events with their sentence structures?

2009-05-09 Thread Cathy



Dear Legacy group,

Does anyone have a listing of out of the ordinary events along with 
applicable sentence structures?


For example, I found a reference to the registered ear marks used 
to brand an ancestor's cattle but am unsure how to add it to my 
database.  With city directories, I can add them as Residence.


But what about any unusual events you've found?  What are they and 
how did you enter them into the Events with a sentence structure?


Thanks,
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Re: [LegacyUG] RINs showing up incorrectly in INDEX and SEARCH for 3 women's married names

2009-05-05 Thread Cathy Vallevieni


Dennis:

I did it and no problem.

I'll check it each time I change an MRIN and post again if it 
happens.  Maybe just a perfect storm of events that made it happen before.


Cathy Vallevieni
Orange County, CA


At 02:40 PM 5/5/2009, you wrote:

On Sun, 03 May 2009 14:34:16 -0700, Cathy Vallevieni cathyv...@cox.net
wrote:

I have never changed a RIN.  I have changed MRINS.

Cathy:

I don't have V7 Deluxe so I can't try this. Just for yuks, try changing
an MRIN and then take a look at the Index View and see if anything
strange appears.

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Re: [LegacyUG] RINs showing up incorrectly in INDEX and SEARCH for 3 women's married names

2009-05-05 Thread Cathy Vallevieni


Dennis:

There is a log of MRIN changes which I just reviewed.  I made many 
many changes in MRINs Dec 28 and Dec 30 including these (that was 
when I changed my filing system).  If something messed up then, you'd 
think I would have noticed before now because I use the INDEX all the 
time.  So I'm pretty sure it wasn't anything that happened at the 
time I changed the MRIN but no guarantees.


Cathy Vallevieni
Orange County, CA

At 02:40 PM 5/5/2009, you wrote:

On Sun, 03 May 2009 14:34:16 -0700, Cathy Vallevieni cathyv...@cox.net
wrote:

I have never changed a RIN.  I have changed MRINS.

Cathy:

I don't have V7 Deluxe so I can't try this. Just for yuks, try changing
an MRIN and then take a look at the Index View and see if anything
strange appears.

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[LegacyUG] RINs showing up incorrectly in INDEX and SEARCH for 3 women's married names

2009-05-03 Thread Cathy Vallevieni


I have never changed a RIN.  I have changed MRINS.

When I view the INDEX, I show up as my maiden name and as my married 
name correctly as RIN #1.  I also show up for my married name as RIN 
#8 which is my husband's grandfather with all of his information in 
all columns except the name column (his grandfather also correctly 
shows up as RIN #8).  I.E.  #1 is my maiden name and my married name 
(correct).  RIN #8 is my married name (incorrect) and my husband's 
grandfather (correct).  When I double click my listing for the 
incorrect RIN #8, my husband's grandfather pops on the screen.


The same situation has occurred for my husband's grandmother 
(correctly RIN #7 for married and maiden name) whose married name 
also shows as RIN #2 which is my husband with all of his information 
in all columns except the name column (my husband also correctly 
shows up as RIN #8).  When I double click my husband's grandmother's 
listing for the incorrect RIN #2, my husband pops on the screen.


The same situation has occurred for my husband's aunt (correctly RIN 
#11 married and maiden name) whose married name also shows as RIN #3 
which is my father with all of his information in all columns except 
the name column (my father also correctly shows up as RIN #3).  When 
I double click my husband's aunt's listing for the incorrect RIN #3, 
my father pops on the screen.


The three errors occurred with RIN 1 (me), 2 (my husband) and 3 (my 
father) and only for the married name of the women.


These errors also show up when using the SEARCH function.

Any ideas how to correct these 3 additional assigning of incorrect 
RIN #s for the married names of the 3 women?


Cathy Vallevieni
Orange County, CA




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RE: [LegacyUG] RINs showing up incorrectly in INDEX and SEARCH for 3 women's married names

2009-05-03 Thread Cathy Vallevieni


Ron:

I ran Check/Repair several times before posting 
and just did it 5 more times but no corrections appeared any of the times.


Per your suggestion, I just ran FileFile 
MaintenanceSet File Sorting Order but the names 
still display as the incorrect RIN#s (in addition 
to the correct#s).  It's odd that all other 
information displayed for the incorrect RIN# is 
the correct other person except the name???


Fortunately it doesn't affect reports or charts 
or anything except the INDEX display and SEARCH 
(at least as far as I have found).  It displays 
reports, charts, etc. using the correct person 
for the RIN #, not the person whose name is 
incorrectly displayed.  The program is clearly 
viewing that as the correct record in spite of 
the name that is being incorrectly 
displayed.  All functions also display the correct person as the correct RIN.


A little brain teaser for your day's enjoyment!

Cathy Vallevieni
Orange County, CA

At 02:53 PM 5/3/2009, you wrote:


Cathy,

Try using FileFile MaintenanceCheck/Repair. 
Repeat until no corrections are shown.


Then FileFile MaintenaceSet File Sorting Order.

Please come back to us if this does not work, as 
theoretically what you have is impossible I do believe you though :-)



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 Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 14:34:16 -0700
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com
 From: cathyv...@cox.net
 Subject: [LegacyUG] RINs showing up 
incorrectly in INDEX and SEARCH for 3 women's married names


 I have never changed a RIN. I have changed MRINS.

 When I view the INDEX, I show up as my maiden name and as my married
 name correctly as RIN #1. I also show up for my married name as RIN
 #8 which is my husband's grandfather with all of his information in
 all columns except the name column (his grandfather also correctly
 shows up as RIN #8). I.E. #1 is my maiden name and my married name
 (correct). RIN #8 is my married name (incorrect) and my husband's
 grandfather (correct). When I double click my listing for the
 incorrect RIN #8, my husband's grandfather pops on the screen.

 The same situation has occurred for my husband's grandmother
 (correctly RIN #7 for married and maiden name) whose married name
 also shows as RIN #2 which is my husband with all of his information
 in all columns except the name column (my husband also correctly
 shows up as RIN #8). When I double click my husband's grandmother's
 listing for the incorrect RIN #2, my husband pops on the screen.

 The same situation has occurred for my husband's aunt (correctly RIN
 #11 married and maiden name) whose married name also shows as RIN #3
 which is my father with all of his information in all columns except
 the name column (my father also correctly shows up as RIN #3). When
 I double click my husband's aunt's listing for the incorrect RIN #3,
 my father pops on the screen.

 The three errors occurred with RIN 1 (me), 2 (my husband) and 3 (my
 father) and only for the married name of the women.

 These errors also show up when using the SEARCH function.

 Any ideas how to correct these 3 additional assigning of incorrect
 RIN #s for the married names of the 3 women?

 Cathy Vallevieni
 Orange County, CA

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RE: [LegacyUG] RINs showing up incorrectly in INDEX and SEARCH for 3 women's married names

2009-05-03 Thread Cathy Vallevieni


Ron:

Thanks for trying to help.  At least it isn't 
really affecting anything as long as I remember 
it when I do searches or look at the Index.  I 
think I'll leave it alone for now.  Maybe it will 
go away on it's own!  (I don't expect that but we can always hope.)


Cathy Vallevieni
Orange County, CA

At 03:33 PM 5/3/2009, you wrote:

Hmmm! Nice one Cathy. I haven't a clue. Just 
checked my ex and her RIN #4 is the same in both the Family View and the Index.


I doubt if thinking is going to help me much 
either, nor sleeping on it for that matter. 
Would it be possible for you to switch off the 
Show Married Names in the Index and renumber 
your RINs? Not something I would do as I create 
Pedigree Web Pages, but if you don't, it may be 
worth a try - Do make sure that you have backed 
up first incase it all explodes :-)



As a last resort you could try swearing at it, a 
technique which my Chemistry prof assured me does work.


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 Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 15:20:40 -0700
 To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
 From: cathyv...@cox.net
 Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] RINs showing up 
incorrectly in INDEX and SEARCH for 3 women's married names


 Ron:

 I ran Check/Repair several times before posting
 and just did it 5 more times but no corrections appeared any of the times.

 Per your suggestion, I just ran FileFile
 MaintenanceSet File Sorting Order but the names
 still display as the incorrect RIN#s (in addition
 to the correct#s). It's odd that all other
 information displayed for the incorrect RIN# is
 the correct other person except the name???

 Fortunately it doesn't affect reports or charts
 or anything except the INDEX display and SEARCH
 (at least as far as I have found). It displays
 reports, charts, etc. using the correct person
 for the RIN #, not the person whose name is
 incorrectly displayed. The program is clearly
 viewing that as the correct record in spite of
 the name that is being incorrectly
 displayed. All functions also display the 
correct person as the correct RIN.


 A little brain teaser for your day's enjoyment!

 Cathy Vallevieni
 Orange County, CA

 At 02:53 PM 5/3/2009, you wrote:

Cathy,

Try using FileFile MaintenanceCheck/Repair.
Repeat until no corrections are shown.

Then FileFile MaintenaceSet File Sorting Order.

Please come back to us if this does not work, as
theoretically what you have is impossible I do believe you though :-)


Ron Ferguson

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 Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 14:34:16 -0700
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com
 From: cathyv...@cox.net
 Subject: [LegacyUG] RINs showing up
 incorrectly in INDEX and SEARCH for 3 women's married names

 I have never changed a RIN. I have changed MRINS.

 When I view the INDEX, I show up as my maiden name and as my married
 name correctly as RIN #1. I also show up for my married name as RIN
 #8 which is my husband's grandfather with all of his information in
 all columns except the name column (his grandfather also correctly
 shows up as RIN #8). I.E. #1 is my maiden name and my married name
 (correct). RIN #8 is my married name (incorrect) and my husband's
 grandfather (correct). When I double click my listing for the
 incorrect RIN #8, my husband's grandfather pops on the screen.

 The same situation has occurred for my husband's grandmother
 (correctly RIN #7 for married and maiden name) whose married name
 also shows as RIN #2 which is my husband with all of his information
 in all columns except the name column (my husband also correctly
 shows up as RIN #8). When I double click my husband's grandmother's
 listing for the incorrect RIN #2, my husband pops on the screen.

 The same situation has occurred for my husband's aunt (correctly RIN
 #11 married and maiden name) whose married name also shows as RIN #3
 which is my father with all of his information in all columns except
 the name column (my father also correctly shows up as RIN #3). When
 I double click my husband's aunt's listing for the incorrect RIN #3,
 my father pops on the screen.

 The three errors occurred with RIN 1 (me), 2 (my husband) and 3 (my
 father) and only for the married name of the women.

 These errors also

Re: [LegacyUG] I lost my parents!

2009-04-28 Thread Cathy



Bill,

Check to see at your own family view (where your name is showing) if 
you show two sets of parents for yourself.  If so, click on the icon 
which shows two people with white hair, and see the two sets of 
parents.  If you do show two sets, one set is probably blank which 
you can delete.


Cathy


At 04:40 PM 4/28/2009 -0400, you wrote:
Thanks to Wendy and Elizabeth for your help. Here is my problem: On 
the start up page my name comes up first - standard procedure - but 
where my parents names should be it now shows Unknown. If I click 
there it brings up a blank page. The information is still in Legacy, 
as I can find it via a search, but why it orphaned me is a 
mystery  How may I restore the information back to it's rightful 
place? Is there a restore function somewhere or do I have to 
re-enter in some way? Any and all help will be appreciated.


Bill Rhodes





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[LegacyUG] Can Genealogy Web Sites Make it Easier to Cite Sources?

2009-04-21 Thread Cathy

Dear Fellow LUG readers,

I read this interesting article this morning and realized that I
would love to have this feature as described in the article and the
video. However, I wonder how conceivable it would be to get web
sites like Ancestry, FamilySearch and others to agree to standardize
their source citations. Of course, how this would work on personal
web sites or USGenWeb sites was not mentioned. Only some commercial
web sites were discussed.

Article: Can Genealogy Web Sites Make it Easier to Cite Sources?
http://blog.familytreemagazine.com/insider/Can+Genealogy+Web+Sites+Make+It+Easier+To+Cite+Sources.aspx

Right now, I spend time on including detailed source citations every
time I place a piece of data into my Legacy databases. My main rule
of thumb is one that I had leaned some years ago as an internal
auditor, namely, be sure that whoever reads your source citation can
use it alone to lead them back to the original
documentation. Because I have trained myself to do this, I don't
consider citing sources to be difficult but I know other genealogists who do.

Of course, Legacy has two ways to cite sources which might be an
issue if web sites were ever to adopt this premise of Mark
Tucker. However, Tucker doesn't seem to think this would be a
problem as he mentioned that Legacy v7 would be able to accept a
download of a standard source citation today, if this feature were
available on web sites.

As I found this such an interesting idea, I thought that I would
pass the web link along to you LUG readers. What do you think?

Cathy

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Re: [LegacyUG] Is there a way to print an all in one report that includes adopted children, half siblings and step children?

2009-04-13 Thread Cathy



Joyce,

In the marriage window, did you place a check mark in the box next to 
the words:  This couple did not marry.


By checking that box, it should change the verbiage from husband and 
wife to male and female.



Cathy


At 10:26 AM 4/13/2009, you wrote:
Plus - the scenario - a man has a child with a woman and they never 
married. This was indicated in the marriage information. However the 
descendant chart names her as a spouse. Can this be changed somehow 
to put it nicely, but not as spouse?


Joyce





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[LegacyUG] Family Group Sheet question

2009-04-12 Thread Cathy


Hello, fellow Legacy users,

Is there a way to show on a Family Group Sheet (FGS) all the families 
of a person?  I've a husband who was divorced twice and married for a 
third time.  I know that I can print out three different FGS showing 
each family.  But what I am curious to know is if there is a way to 
print one FGS for him showing all three of his families with all 
children and all wives and all the wives' events as well..


Does anyone have any thoughts?

With thanks,
Cathy




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[LegacyUG] Missing footnotes in Mod. Register Report

2009-04-12 Thread Cathy


To fellow Legacy users,

Does anyone else have this problem of missing footnotes?

I have created a Modified Register Report with source citation 
footnotes on the bottom of each page.  However, while page 9 of the 
report shows footnotes number 30 through 40, page 10 shows footnotes 
starting with number 45.  So, what happened to footnotes numbers 41 through 44?


I've this problems of missing footnotes on several pages of the 
report where there are a lot of footnotes.  When I turn the source 
citations into end notes, all the missing ones appear.  But I would 
prefer to have the source citations as footnotes on their respective 
pages since it is easier to read them there.


Does anyone have any suggestions?I guess I would have to report 
this as a bug.  By the way, I'm using Legacy Version: 7.0.0.90 on Windows XP.


I'm curious to know if anyone else has this problem.

Thanks,
Cathy






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Re: [LegacyUG] Missing footnotes in Mod. Register Report

2009-04-12 Thread Cathy



Phil,

Yes, thank,  I have looked to see who had footnotes on the page and 
that  is how I realized that the footnotes were missing from the 
bottom of page.  The footnote number was shown next to the name or 
the event but the footnote number and source citation were missing 
from the bottom of the page.  Curiouser, and curiouser!


As for your blank page, on the Page Layout tab of the Descendant Book 
window, there is an option to start each generation on a new page and 
you can also designate that it be an odd numbered page.  I would 
hazard a guess that you have these boxes showing a tick mark in them.


Cathy


At 05:29 PM 4/12/2009, you wrote:

Cathy,

I've never done a Modified Register Report so I thought I'd choose 
that option and see what happened.  I usually use endnotes but for 
this exercise used footnotes as you did.  All of my pages that had 
names had footnotes, sometimes a lot of footnotes and then a few 
times only one.  Have you looked carefully for footnotes 41 through 
44elsewhere?  If for example they are identified above (on that 
page) in the information about each person then they should be 
listed in the footnote.  If those listed on the page do not have 
source 41 or 42 etc. then they won't appear below.  Someplace else 
they are posted would be my guess.  May I suggest that you look up 
41 through 44 and see who they are assigned to and then find that 
person in your report and see if they aren't there.


I found a couple of issues when doing my Mod. Reg. Report.  3 or 4 
times I had a blank page with the Header and Footer and nothing 
else.  In one instance the previous page was filled only about 1/2 
way.  Then a blank, then a full page until the next blank.  I looked 
at all of my report options and didn't find anything that I either 
should have or should not have checked.


Phil Husband

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Subject: [LegacyUG] Missing footnotes in Mod. Register Report



To fellow Legacy users,

Does anyone else have this problem of missing footnotes?

I have created a Modified Register Report with source citation 
footnotes on the bottom of each page.  However, while page 9 of the 
report shows footnotes number 30 through 40, page 10 shows 
footnotes starting with number 45.  So, what happened to footnotes 
numbers 41 through 44?


I've this problems of missing footnotes on several pages of the 
report where there are a lot of footnotes.  When I turn the source 
citations into end notes, all the missing ones appear.  But I would 
prefer to have the source citations as footnotes on their 
respective pages since it is easier to read them there.


Does anyone have any suggestions?I guess I would have to report 
this as a bug.  By the way, I'm using Legacy Version: 7.0.0.90 on Windows XP.


I'm curious to know if anyone else has this problem.

Thanks,
Cathy






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Re: [LegacyUG] Missing footnotes in Mod. Register Report

2009-04-12 Thread Cathy


Christopher,

Thanks for your response.  I've checked my options and do **not** 
have the box checked off.  So, that's not the problem.


I do have multiple source citations for events.  However, when the 
footnotes are missing,  they are usually the last ones that should 
have appeared on the page.


Cathy


At 03:39 PM 4/12/2009, you wrote:

Hi Cathy,

Do some of your events have multiple citations?

Try this.  Click on Report Menu (Charts).

Click on Report Options at the bottom center.

Click the Sources tab

On the left side, third box down, make sure that the box for if an 
event has multiple citations, combine them into one paragraph IS 
NOT! CHECKED.  I had this problem, and I believe this is what was causing it.



Christopher Barttels
Dayton, WA
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Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 9:58 AM
Subject: [LegacyUG] Missing footnotes in Mod. Register Report

To fellow Legacy users,

Does anyone else have this problem of missing footnotes?

I have created a Modified Register Report with source citation
footnotes on the bottom of each page.  However, while page 9 of the
report shows footnotes number 30 through 40, page 10 shows footnotes
starting with number 45.  So, what happened to footnotes numbers 41 
through 44?


I've this problems of missing footnotes on several pages of the
report where there are a lot of footnotes.  When I turn the source
citations into end notes, all the missing ones appear.  But I would
prefer to have the source citations as footnotes on their respective
pages since it is easier to read them there.

Does anyone have any suggestions?I guess I would have to report
this as a bug.  By the way, I'm using Legacy Version: 7.0.0.90 on Windows XP.

I'm curious to know if anyone else has this problem.

Thanks,
Cathy

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[LegacyUG] Thank you for the To Do List options and reports

2009-04-06 Thread Cathy



To the Legacy Team,

I would just like to pass along my heartfelt thanks for the To Do 
List section for each person and the various reporting capabilities 
that you placed in the Legacy program.


I use the To Do Lists a lot and love being able to print out just one 
report showing all the records that I want to search for at a 
specific repository before I head out to that repository.  The To Do 
List section helps me to stay on target with my research and has been 
a great asset to me.


So, thanks, guys, for these features which I really enjoy using and 
are of great help to me.  Keep up the good work!


Cathy




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Re: [LegacyUG] Which is the correct name to use in reports?

2009-03-25 Thread Cathy



The correct name is the one that you use as a standard throughout 
your database.  Some people like to use those names found on the 
birth certificates as the main name.   However, one of the nice 
things about Legacy is that you can also include all the other 
alternative names listed on the various documents you've found during 
your research.


For an example of a man that I have been researching who does have 
several different surnames, look at Arthur Stannard Vernay in a 
family tree on Rootsweb at the followling link: 
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GETdb=vernayid=I8


I had placed his various other surnames into the alternative names in 
Legacy and they all have been shown in the tree on Rootsweb.  Also, 
the various surnames that I had included also are indexed in the 
search function on Rootsweb.  So, if someone searches for Arthur 
under any of the surnames which he has used, they are sure to find my 
tree for him.


So, as to the correct name, Find your own standard and use in all 
the time. Also note what your standard is in your work so that the 
next researcher to use your database knows what your standards are.


Happy Hunting!

At 12:16 PM 3/25/2009, you wrote:


Hello!

My immigrant ancestors Americanized their first and last names 
sometime after they immigrated.


Their immigration and earlier U.S. records show their German names. 
Later records show the changes (e.g. Bernhard to Bernard). However, 
both variations of the surname can be found as separate, distinct surnames.


Therefore, while I am partial to their original German names, 
nevertheless the Americanized surname is more common. Are their any 
rules for genealogy reports when it comes to correct names?


Thank you.






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Re: [LegacyUG] Digital Images of Census Pages - Tracking Individuals

2009-02-16 Thread Cathy



In adding a census event for a person, I mention in the notes section 
of a person that another unrelated person was living with them.  I'll 
also add a add new unlinked individual with their 
information.  Then I can always look under View  Tree Finder  and 
see what the unlinked trees are in my database in case I forgot that 
I have these unlinked people sitting in the database.




At 08:15 AM 2/14/2009, you wrote:

I, too, track individuals through census pages, and would appreciate 
knowing how others keep track of other people, who at one time may 
not be recognized as related, but after further work, end up being so.


For instance - a person may be a boarder at a particular residence, 
in any given census year, and I note, in the source, with whom 
he/she is living, but see no way to keep track of these extra 
people.  I just recently discovered a marriage certificate for a 
person, went searching for the family in census records and found 
that I had reference to them in a census source, recorded years 
earlier.  The boarder living with the family was actually a niece 
- daughter of the wife's sister, for whom I had adequate information 
in a distant state.


Putting the residing with in an event field would seem to clutter 
up a report.  Any suggestions or thoughts would be appreciated.


Judy





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RE: [LegacyUG] Naming photos

2009-02-14 Thread Cathy Vallevieni


Bruce:

I make separate paper copies with each's MRIN and file in their 
family file, save separate copies of the Census on the computer also 
using each's MRIN (the computer name and the paper document name are 
the same so easy to cross reference) and I create a separate Source 
on the Master Source list for each person's Census event.  Bottom 
line I duplicate the Census everywhere so there's a separate record 
for each family.  This makes it easy to find and orgainzed.


Cathy Vallevieni
Orange County, CA



At 09:18 AM 2/14/2009, you wrote:

Hi Bruce,
Thanks!

Another question with regards to census.  I can see doing it exactly as
you state if there is only one household that I'm interested in on the
sheet/document.  But, what about if there are two?  Say Bob and Pete
Smith are brothers and each have a family and they live next door to
each other and appear on the same census page?   Would you just
duplicate it and have one labeled with the MRIN for Bob and the other
labeled for the MRIN for Pete?
Or, should I make this census record a Master Source document?

Appreciating your help,
Brian

*

Brian,
Yes I do.  they would be
mrin-xMAR-name-description
mrin-xCEN-name-description
mrin-xBIR-name-description
mrin-xDEA-name-description

Hope that helps,
Bruce

On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 5:51 AM, Brian Beddor bbed...@japsolson.com
wrote:
 Hi Ken,
 Thanks for the recommendation.  Since I've just started using Legacy
I'm
 not that familiar with the MRIN, but it sounds like a useable system.
 Do you use MRIN filing method for documents (marriage certificates,
 census records, etc.) as well?

 Thanks,
 Brian

 -Original Message-
 From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On
 Behalf Of Bruce Jones
 Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 1:43 PM
 To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Naming photos

 Here is what I am doing.
 Since I use the MRIN filing method, I label all pictures as follows:

 mrin-xPIC-name(s)-description

 Where x is H (Husband), W (Wife), C (Couple), or n (for unmarried
 children where 1 is the first child, 2 the second, etc.)
 If I have a group photo, I use the MRIN of either the primary
 person/couple or the oldest person/couple and use F (Family) or G
 (Group) for the x
 I am thinking of adding the date taken (or ABT as suggested by
 another) in part of the name.

 Just my 2 cents.


 On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 7:29 AM, Brian Beddor bbed...@japsolson.com
 wrote:
 Hi,
 Does anyone have any recommendations for how to name photos on one's
 computer?  I had started by saving them as last-name first-name
 date-taken.  That works well for pictures of only 1 person where I
 know
 the date it was taken.  It doesn't work all that well for group
 photos.
 Or old photos that I've scanned where I don't know the date it was
 taken.

 Any suggestions would be appreciated.

 Thanks,
 Brian



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Re: [LegacyUG] Reports showing 2 adopted children instead of 1

2009-02-09 Thread Cathy Vallevieni


Jenny:

Oops!  In researching your question, I realized that comment was 
something I wrote in his Notes.  Apparently someone once told me he 
adopted two children and I didn't remember putting that note in his 
Notes.  Sorry!  Thanks for the question, though, as I probably 
would not have figured it out for awhile without researching your question.


Cathy Vallevieni
Orange County, CA

At 03:17 AM 2/9/2009, you wrote:


Cathy Vallevieni wrote:
 I have a family that adopted one child.  I entered an event of
 adoption for the child.  I changed the Child Status to Adopted for
 both the mother and father relationships.  They have two younger
 children that are natural.

 The following reports all have a statement Adopted two children:

 Chronology for the father
 Individual Report for the father
 Family Group
 Descendant
 Descendant Narrative

 I have Legacy Deluxe Version 7.0.0.86.

Whereabouts is this statement appearing?  I changed the status of a child
in my family file to Adopted (status of child, relationship to father and
relationship to mother all changed to Adopted) but did not create an
Adoption Event.  I did not see any such statement on any report.

When you say you created an Event of adoption, was that an Event attached
to the child or to one or both of the parents?


--
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[LegacyUG] Reports showing 2 adopted children instead of 1

2009-02-08 Thread Cathy Vallevieni

I have a family that adopted one child.  I entered an event of 
adoption for the child.  I changed the Child Status to Adopted for 
both the mother and father relationships.  They have two younger 
children that are natural.


The following reports all have a statement Adopted two children:

Chronology for the father
Individual Report for the father
Family Group
Descendant
Descendant Narrative

I have Legacy Deluxe Version 7.0.0.86.

Does anyone else have this same problem?

If not, does anyone have a suggestion?

Thanks.

Cathy Vallevieni
Orange County, CA





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Re: [LegacyUG] Location Names and Addresses

2009-02-08 Thread Cathy Vallevieni

Don:

For places that I want to enter the exact address (or the cemetery
name, church name or other name) and that I want to
map to that exact address, I enter them in the long description
as: 123 Main St, City, County, State, Country

And in the short description field I enter: 123 Main St, City, State
(usually abbreviate the State to CA). This looks better on reports
so I always select Use Short Location Names for reports. If the
use of the report requires the full city, county, state, country for
some reason, that can be selected for that specific report.

I used to put city - street address, county, state, country then
Dave Naylor pointed out that in the Master Location List
under Sort you can select to sort Right to Left. That solved
the problem of sorting everything in order regardless of the number
of fields you have. You do have to search by country, state,
county, city, but you find them whether they have 4 places or 5 places.

This system is flexible yet works for reports, for the kind of detail
I want to see, automatically maps, and sorts the locations
appropriately on the Master Locations List.

Works beautifully for me.

Hope this gives you another perspective.

There is a whole thread on it in the archives (see the bottom of this
e-mail for archives) and enter Need Overall Help and just read
through the whole thread.

Cathy Vallevieni
Orange County, CA

At 03:26 PM 2/8/2009, you wrote:
I'm a new user to Legacy 7 (DE), having converted all my family
files from Generations 8.

I really like the mapping features and geo-coding that can put
places on a map or aerial photo to view. It gives me a greater
sense of connection to my ancestors, particularly when I've been to
the places they were in. However, in following the tutorial
guidelines I've separated the cemetery name from the city and put it
into the address fields. Though the addresses can be geo-coded, I
can't find a way to view them on a map directly, nor at their actual
geo-code locations (as opposed to the city-center
locations). Before I create a lot of new locations, such as city,
county, state, country (cemetery) , which will accurately locate
the cemeteries, I'd like to ask how others may be dealing with this issue.

I suppose the same question can be asked of any event location that
can be give a specific address.

Thanks for your help.

Donald W. Quigley
130 Greenwood Circle
Walnut Creek, CA 94597
mailto:dquig...@astound.netdquig...@astound.net
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[LegacyUG] How to identify the commonly used first name?

2009-02-07 Thread Cathy Vallevieni

When a person's middle name is the name they used and were known by, 
do you put quotes around that middle name to make it clear that was 
the name used?  I know if someone had a name Elizabeth and went by 
Betty that you would enter Elizabeth Betty in the first name 
field.  Not sure that someone named Robert Blair who went by Blair 
should be entered at Robert Blair but how else to show this is the 
name he used?


Thanks for any ideas.

Cathy Vallevieni
Orange County, CA




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Re: [LegacyUG] sorting AKAs

2009-02-03 Thread Cathy Vallevieni


Richard in Seal Beach:

If you are in Seal Beach, California, there is a monthly LUG meeting 
next Monday, Feb 9.  Richard Schulties and I drive up together.  If 
you are interested in learning about it or coming with us, contact me 
offline at cathyv...@cox.net.


Cathy Vallevieni
Orange County,CA

At 08:46 PM 2/3/2009, you wrote:

Thanks Rich,

I suppose another request now couldn't hurt.

Richard in Seal Beach


On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 10:59 AM, RICHARD SCHULTHIES
fourpa...@verizon.net wrote:
 At present, yes. Back in L5, a 'fix' was requested by myself and 
others. The query was to allow sorting similar to the Event list, 
choices alpha or 'as placed'.

 Rich in LA CA



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Re: [LegacyUG] Washington D.C.

Wikipedia explains:  The City of Washington was originally a separate 
municipality within the Territory of Columbia until an 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_of_Columbia_Organic_Act_of_1871act 
of Congress in 1871 effectively merged the City and the Territory 
into a single entity called the District of Columbia. It is for this 
reason that the city, while legally named the District of Columbia, 
is known as Washington, D.C.   Based on this you would enter 
Washington District of Columbia as the City with no county or state 
and USA as the Country.  However, I think I would use Washington as 
the city, District of Columbia as the County or State and USA as the Country.


AniMap Sitefind states Washington as the City, District of Columbia 
as the County and DC as the State but I don't think that's any legal 
description, just an easy way to find it.


I believe the Geo Locator in Legacy states:   Washington, District of 
Columbia, District of Columbia, USA (or maybe this is something I 
inadvertently added)


For short location I have entered:   Washington, DC.

Cathy Vallevieni
Orange County, CA


At 06:58 AM 1/31/2009, you wrote:
What is the correct way to enter Washington D.C. as a long and a 
short location?


Jim



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RE: [LegacyUG] Need overall help


Ange:

Actually, Dave's suggestion to sort right to left (largest location 
to smallest location) solved this.  I hadn't noticed that option 
before and that's why I was trying to force everything into 4 
fields.  Now that I changed the sort order to right to left, 
everything comes up perfectly regardless of whether it's 4 fields or 
5 fields since it starts with country, then state, then county, then 
city, then anything else.


I just wasn't sure if there would be some other ramification of 
having both 4 and 5 fields in the same country.  So far, I haven't found any.


Thanks for your response.

Cathy Vallevieni
Orange County, CA

  At 07:59 AM 1/31/2009, you wrote:

Cathy,

The only reason why you might not want to have 5 places for some USA
addresses and 4 for another is sorting.

In the master location list you have the option to sort the list in any
manner you'd like.  However, you must have consistency.   It will not be
able to easily find for example all of the locations in Iowa if you have the
state name listed in the 3rd place for some locations and in others the
state name is located in the 4th place.

The solution to this is to come up with template for the 9 location fields
and then use commas so that everything stays in its place.

For example
Location name (--cemetery/church/business, etc), street address, township,
county, city, state, country

Crown Hill cemetery, 5746 Broadway St, , , Plainfield, Iowa, USA

In report preferences you can have these extra commas removed so they do not
print.

Ange
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Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Need overall help

Dave:

I did it because I was not as astute as you to pay attention that you
can sort right to left.  THANK YOU!  There have been so many threads
about this topic and I don't think anyone has ever suggested that (or
my brain wasn't working that day if someone did).

I have always entered the country (USA or otherwise) so that is not a
problem for me.

You've made one happy LUGGER and maybe others that have struggled with this.

If I'm overlooking a reason not to have 5 places for some USA
locations and 4 places for other USA locations, I hope someone will
address this.

Thank you.

Cathy Vallevieni
Orange County, CA





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Re: [LegacyUG] problem with source in report

There is a checkbox to combine (or not combine) sources into one 
paragraph when there is more than one source.  You should uncheck 
that box.  It is in the Sources Tab of Report Options for each 
report type (Descendant, Ancestor, Individual, etc.) and you have to 
change each report separately.


Cathy Vallevieni
Orange County, CA

At 11:24 AM 1/31/2009, you wrote:
I am noticing that when I create a report, if there is more than one 
source for a particular event, such as a census and a birth 
registration, the printed citation comes out in one paragraph. There 
are a few small dots at the end of the first souce, and then the 
second source follows immediately after. This can't be correct ?


I am using an updated version of Legacy 7.

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[LegacyUG] File types

I can save several document files as rich text (.rtf), Word document 
(.doc), or Adobe Acrobat (.pdf) files.  In thinking years ahead when 
someone may want to open the file and all software programs have gone 
through several updates, can anyone suggest which file type would 
more likely be able to be opened?


I have paper copies but I'm trying to make the best long-term 
decision about the saved file type.


Thank you.

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Re: [LegacyUG] File types

Thank you all for your responses.  I have no experience with GEDCOM 
files but I know it's covered in Legacy Help so I will check it out.


Cathy Vallevieni
Orange County, CA


At 08:20 PM 1/31/2009, you wrote:
Given the state of increasing storage capacity, why not save all 
three. More importantly however, I would save GEDCOM files. They are 
simply plain text files and that has been readable since the early 
days of computing, and will be for the foreseeable future. The media 
they are stored on is more likely to require migration before those 
file types will be unreadable.


Gary Templeman

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Subject: [LegacyUG] File types


I can save several document files as rich text (.rtf), Word 
document (.doc), or Adobe Acrobat (.pdf) files.  In thinking years 
ahead when someone may want to open the file and all software 
programs have gone through several updates, can anyone suggest 
which file type would more likely be able to be opened?


I have paper copies but I'm trying to make the best long-term 
decision about the saved file type.


Thank you.

Cathy Vallevieni
Orange County, CA




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Re: [LegacyUG] Need overall help

I realize you are working with English towns, and I've mostly worked 
with specific addresses in USA towns, but here's my 2 cents worth:


For places that I want to know exactly the address and that I want to 
map to that exact address, I enter them in the long description 
as:  City - 123 Main St, County, State, Country


And in the short description field I enter:  123 Main St, City, State 
(usually abbreviate the State to CA).  This looks better on reports 
so I always select Use Short Location Names for reports.  If the 
use of the report requires the full city, county, state, country for 
some reason, that can be selected for that specific report.


The reason for reversing the city and street address in the long 
description is so it can be found when looking at the Master Locations List.


I sometimes even put the name of the cemetery or the name of the 
church where they were married instead of the street address and plot 
it to that location (don't have to only use the address).


Many don't like muddying up the locations with the street address but 
I like seeing where they were born, lived, married, buried, etc.  I 
also can see how close different family groups lived to each other, 
etc.  Sometimes I can even get an idea if they were doing better or 
worse as the years went along by looking at the neighborhoods on the 
map. I also like seeing if they lived downtown or in the tenements or 
lived in the country or in a rural area and may have lived on a 
farm.  In one case, the family story was the house was on a hilltop 
(and upscale).  Turns out it was close to downtown and not on a hill 
at all.  In another case the family story was the husband walked to 
his store each day but the address I had was far from the store 
location.  After more research, I found a different address in a City 
Directory that was 3 blocks from the store location which I felt was 
the correct address.


If it's an indirect relative, I will put the address or name of 
cemetery or church in the + address field instead of in the main 
location field because I don't care about mapping them or creating 
more locations on the Master Location List.


Cathy Vallevieni
Orange County, CA


At 06:16 AM 1/30/2009, you wrote:
I'm not new to genealogy, but  I feel like I am so snowed under with 
legacy 7. I had been using FTM since it came out, but was not happy 
with their new format, so wanted a change. I have been reading the 
book, reading the emails and now I'm just going to ask for help from 
you all, I really want to start, but find I am having difficulty 
finding, or perhaps adjusting.
The  Master Location listing, I understand the logic behind it, (I'm 
working my English side) you have the mapping system, why just put 
the village and country, it could be a large village and if you 
wanted to visit or see what was actually around that area, just 
having the name of the village makes it harder? I have started 
putting the whole address down, so that I can see where the location 
really is, has anyone else done this? Comments please.
Picture gallery, I can't move  a pictures from one field to another 
in the picture gallery?
I would really love to have a Legacy buddy to help me with these 
problems I am having. Thanks for listening.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Need overall help


Dave:

I did it because I was not as astute as you to pay attention that you 
can sort right to left.  THANK YOU!  There have been so many threads 
about this topic and I don't think anyone has ever suggested that (or 
my brain wasn't working that day if someone did).


I have always entered the country (USA or otherwise) so that is not a 
problem for me.


You've made one happy LUGGER and maybe others that have struggled with this.

If I'm overlooking a reason not to have 5 places for some USA 
locations and 4 places for other USA locations, I hope someone will 
address this.


Thank you.

Cathy Vallevieni
Orange County, CA


, At 08:22 PM 1/30/2009, you wrote:

On 30 Jan 2009  Cathy Vallevieni wrote:

 For places that I want to know exactly the address and that I want to
 map to that exact address, I enter them in the long description as:
 City - 123 Main St, County, State, Country

 The reason for reversing the city and street address in the long
 description is so it can be found when looking at the Master
 Locations List.

Why would you reverse them when it is unnecessary?  They can be
entered in a logical sequence from smallest area to largest area
complete with comma separators (there are 9 fields for this).  Then
the Master Locations can be set to a Direction of Sort of Right to
Left so that the listing is always sorted from the largest area
down.

I cannot understand why anyone would use the other available sorts
which are all redundant and only apply to (most but not all) USA
locations when the Right to Left sort applies worldwide (including
all USA locations).  The only problem is for those who cannot be
bothered to include the country in their locations.

Cheers, -- Dave N.
--
  David Naylor, Halton Hills, Ontario, Canada.
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[LegacyUG] Reason to Print An Individual Report

I am struggling (as many others have) with putting residences and 
other common events in both the husband and wife's Events rather than 
one time in the Marriage Events.


I know the commonly cited reason is Marriage Events don't print on 
Individual Reports.


In thinking about this, I can't think of a time I would print an 
Individual Report.  I believe I would always print a Family Group 
Report or Descendant Report if a person had been married.


Can anyone that has printed an Individual Report tell me what the 
purpose was for printing that report vs. one of the other reports?


Thank you.

Cathy Vallevieni
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[LegacyUG] Entering Events After A Spouse Dies


Kris:

One of your comments brought up another thing I would like to find 
out how others are handling:


Those who enter events during the marriage, once a spouse dies, I 
assume you enter subsequent events under the surviving spouse 
individually because there's no longer a marriage?


Cathy Vallevieni
Orange County, CA

At 11:05 PM 1/30/2009, you wrote:

Hi, Cathy --

So far, the only time I've printed an Individual Report is for 
someone who never got married or had children.


I have always entered common events for both the husband and wife 
(not as marriage events) and never gave it a second thought until 
some of the discussions came up here.  I guess it might be 
redundant, but I've already had several instances where they were 
living separately.  And sometimes I don't know if both people are 
living together -- or if the spouse is even still alive -- when I'm 
working on it.  I can see how it would be more efficient to enter 
the common events under the marriage, but for me it would be just 
one more thing to check, or change, and I'm already programmed to 
look for that kind of thing for each person.


I'm looking forward to seeing how others make use of the Individual Report.

Kris

Cathy Vallevieni wrote:
I am struggling (as many others have) with putting residences and 
other common events in both the husband and wife's Events rather 
than one time in the Marriage Events.
I know the commonly cited reason is Marriage Events don't print on 
Individual Reports.
In thinking about this, I can't think of a time I would print an 
Individual Report.  I believe I would always print a Family Group 
Report or Descendant Report if a person had been married.
Can anyone that has printed an Individual Report tell me what the 
purpose was for printing that report vs. one of the other reports?

Thank you.
Cathy Vallevieni
Orange County, CA




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Re: [LegacyUG] Incorporating Narratives From Sources into a Report

2009-01-28 Thread Cathy



Judy,

I have been researching in newspapers lately and found articles for 
some people in my database.  To add the article into my Legacy 
database so that it will print nicely in the Descendant  Book [a.k.a. 
Modified Register Report], I've set up an event entitled Newspaper 
Article.  The following is the way I set up the sentence structure:


There was a newspaper article mentioning [FirstName] in the 
[Desc] published [Date] [~inPlace]. [Sources] [Notes]


Then I can add the entire article into the [Notes] section of the 
event.  However, I format the article in the Notes section so that it 
is italicized.  The article then shows up nicely in the Modified 
Register report.  While I include the newspaper name in the [Desc], I 
also include it in the source citation. The [~inPlace] is where I 
place the location of where the newspaper is published..  The Source 
citation has more detailed information including the page number and 
column number on the page.


Cathy



At 06:57 AM 1/28/2009, you wrote:
I would appreciate knowing how other handle sources that contain 
marvelous narratives that would make wonderful reading in a report 
or a book, but are too long to put in the space allowed in the 
Events Notes.  For example, a relative purchased land in a given 
year, becoming owner of a portion of a railroad.  I have the 
purchase of the land, the date and location in the Events 
area.  The source is a newspaper article which outlines the entire 
event and the happenings at the time, and it is transcribed in the 
sources. Another example holds true, for me, where I have 
transcribed lengthy obituaries as sources, being too long to put 
into the Events field.


How could I use  narratives, from sources, in a report or book, 
without having them repeat in the source of the report?  Perhaps a 
setting or trick I've missed?


Thanks,

Judy



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Re: [LegacyUG] BOOK overprint error

2009-01-23 Thread Cathy



Sorry, I can't seem to follow what you are saying. Would you please 
restate your suggestion in baby steps?


Thanks!

At 08:00 AM 1/23/2009, you wrote:

Got rid of the OVERPRINT on Table of Contents by  taking out all the
booklets, removing the book name from the Saved Files list,  and 
re-creating the book!

 with a similar name.  Worked great.

Now the problem is pictures.  I've added many, but then with newest  version
of my book, some are missing.  How can I just add certain ones 
to  the Picture

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Re: [LegacyUG] Cemetery photos

2009-01-06 Thread Cathy Vallevieni

GC:

When you enter a burial photo using the + sign in Burial section of
the main screen or you add it from the picture icon as a Burial
photo, it is saved in the same place, shows in both locations and
changes the photo icon to half color. It just seems to be two ways
to accomplish the same result. I think this was your question.

Cathy Vallevieni
Orange County, CA

At 01:36 PM 1/6/2009, you wrote:
This is from a recent thread...OK, so I'm a little slow picking up
on it! ha ha

Is there any indication that a photo is available using this method?
The Photo Icon on the main Family screen shows when there are photos
associated with the individual. This is also where I've been parking
my tombstone photos.

I tried attaching a few tombstone photos using this procedure.
However, looks to me like if this method is used there is no
indication anywhere a cemetery photo is present unless the cross +
is clicked from Burial line from the Individuals screen to see if
BURIAL PICTURES is check marked.

Am I correct in this assumption? If so, this is a decided
DISadvantage in that you don't know an individual in your database
may have a tombstone photo available. Using my method granted a
tombstone photo is mixed in with individual photos, but at least the
Photo Icon alerts you to the presence of some kind of photo -
individual or whatever!

On Sun, 4 Jan 2009 21:18:19 -0800 Phil Husband
mailto:phusba...@verizon.netphusba...@verizon.net writes:
Cemetery data: The way I enter cemetery information is to click on
the cross + to the far right of the Burial line in an individual
page. There you may enter the name of the cemetery, the address of
same and even pictures relating to the burial such as an overall
picture of the cemetery and a gravestone picture. The obituary is a
good addition here also.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Cemetery photos

2009-01-06 Thread Cathy Vallevieni

GC:

I just tried attaching a picture to an occupation and it did show up
under the occupation in the pictures and next to the occupation on
the report.

Cathy Vallevieni
Orange County

At 04:24 PM 1/6/2009, you wrote:

Cathy,

What you say is true, but. When you click on the half shaded
Picture Icon on the Family page said tombstone photo does NOT
appear. In my test only photos of Individuals show up when the
Picture Icon is full colored. If you have 2 photos of the individual
and 1 photo of the tombstone only the 2 photos of the individual are displayed.

Just seems to me that the tombstone photo should appear in the half
shaded Icon AND the full colored one as well!

On Tue, 06 Jan 2009 14:15:45 -0800 Cathy Vallevieni
mailto:cathyv...@cox.netcathyv...@cox.net writes:

GC:

Cathy Vallevieni
Orange County, CA

At 01:36 PM 1/6/2009, you wrote:
This is from a recent thread...OK, so I'm a little slow picking up
on it! ha ha

Is there any indication that a photo is available using this
method? The Photo Icon on the main Family screen shows when there
are photos associated with the individual. This is also where I've
been parking my tombstone photos.

Am I correct in this assumption? If so, this is a decided
DISadvantage in that you don't know an individual in your database
may have a tombstone photo available. Using my method granted a
tombstone photo is mixed in with individual photos, but at least
the Photo Icon alerts you to the presence of some kind of photo -
individual or whatever!

On Sun, 4 Jan 2009 21:18:19 -0800 Phil Husband
mailto:phusba...@verizon.netphusba...@verizon.net writes:
Cemetery data: The way I enter cemetery information is to click on
the cross + to the far right of the Burial line in an
individual page. There you may enter the name of the cemetery, the
address of same and even pictures relating to the burial such as an
overall picture of the cemetery and a gravestone picture. The
obituary is a good addition here also.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Cemetery photos

2009-01-06 Thread Cathy Vallevieni

GC:

You have to scan down the scroll on the right side that starts with
individual until you get to burial. Any item with an * in front
of it has a photo. They are grouped by category and, although I've
only added Individual and Burial photos, I assume you can add photos
under the other categories and they show up on different locations on
the reports? Maybe if you add a photo under events that are entered
as occupations then they show under occupations on the scroll bar
and print next to the occupation on reports?

Cathy Vallevieni
Orange County, cA

At 04:24 PM 1/6/2009, you wrote:

Cathy,

Just seems to me that the tombstone photo should appear in the half
shaded Icon AND the full colored one as well!

On Tue, 06 Jan 2009 14:15:45 -0800 Cathy Vallevieni
mailto:cathyv...@cox.netcathyv...@cox.net writes:

GC:

Cathy Vallevieni
Orange County, CA

At 01:36 PM 1/6/2009, you wrote:
This is from a recent thread...OK, so I'm a little slow picking up
on it! ha ha

Is there any indication that a photo is available using this
method? The Photo Icon on the main Family screen shows when there
are photos associated with the individual. This is also where I've
been parking my tombstone photos.

Am I correct in this assumption? If so, this is a decided
DISadvantage in that you don't know an individual in your database
may have a tombstone photo available. Using my method granted a
tombstone photo is mixed in with individual photos, but at least
the Photo Icon alerts you to the presence of some kind of photo -
individual or whatever!

On Sun, 4 Jan 2009 21:18:19 -0800 Phil Husband
mailto:phusba...@verizon.netphusba...@verizon.net writes:
Cemetery data: The way I enter cemetery information is to click on
the cross + to the far right of the Burial line in an
individual page. There you may enter the name of the cemetery, the
address of same and even pictures relating to the burial such as an
overall picture of the cemetery and a gravestone picture. The
obituary is a good addition here also.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Use for USER ID numbers

2009-01-05 Thread Cathy Vallevieni


JL:

Yes, I understand.  Thanks.

Cathy Vallevieni
Orange County, CA

At 11:27 PM 1/4/2009, you wrote:

Family Group numbering system?
While I was brushing my teeth it occurred to me that there's a 
difference in how we're using this system.  I think you're only 
working with paper documents (?) and trying to file them according 
to MRIN and family lines, so you have something like this in your 
numbering: H-139, B-140, K-141 so you have a shortcut to which 
'book' you've filed the papers in.  I'm linking digital copies of 
documents into Legacy and therefore need the MRIN + extension to 
distinguish one document from another, so it looks like 0139-01, 
0139-02, 0139-03.  Unless you're distinguishing individual documents 
one from another, not just MRIN's, it won't help to quote these 
numbers in reports, therefore there's no reason to have them in the 
File ID fields. At least not for that reason.  Til another sun ...

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Cathy Vallevieni wrote:


JL:

I am entering the File ID which, thanks to the samples you sent to 
me, starts with the family group numbering system.  There is some 
redundancy but, as you say, everything (paper files, computer 
files, Legacy) all have the same reference number and tie together 
nicely . . . and I feel in control!


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Re: FW: [LegacyUG]Want to go back to version before lasts year update

2009-01-05 Thread Cathy Vallevieni


Eileen:

I wanted to let you know that I saw both of your messages so both 
were posted but I don't have an answer.  I'm sure someone more 
knowledgable will answer when they check their e-mail.


Cathy Vallevieni
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At 01:41 PM 1/5/2009, you wrote:




Are you blocking messasge you don't want the list to see?   If you are,
could you please answer my question?  Eileen

-Original Message-
From: Eileen [mailto:reilee...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 10:10 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG]Want to go back to version before lasts year
update


How can I go back to Version 6, I just quit using my Legacy in the hopes all
these errors message and mistakes would be corrected.  Have done the latest
update and thought to enter new information in the program, but as soon as I
click the source button, I get error 380 and the program shuts down.

I don't want to keep re-loading the program, I want to be able to enter
information and know that it's correct, so how can I go back to the program
that was working without all these errors and mistakes.

thank you,
Eileen

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Grover Oliver
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 9:13 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Newbie questions


Ron, Bernard,
I use the burial address until I get a headstone picture. Then I
create a cemetery event for the picture. I also add GPS Coordinates to
the address so they will print out on reports.
G.C. Oliver

On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 5:29 AM, ronald ferguson ronfe...@msn.com wrote:

 Bernard,

 In theory, yes. There is, however, a problem in that photographs of
cemeteries/graves attached in this way (or any of the vital events) will not
show in reports. For this you need to add a Cemetery Event etc.

 If you have few such photos then it is probably worthwhile, although I
include the full address in the Location field (my choice!).



 Ron Ferguson

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 Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 00:17:17 -0700
 From: doddema...@gmail.com
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 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Newbie questions

 I take it you don't have to use the Event for cemeteries using this
method?



 On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Cathy wrote:

 Kathy,



 Regarding item (2) of your query, I don't place the cemetery name in the
location field. Instead, I click on the + found to the right of the burial
location field and select Burial Address. I place the name of the cemetery
there along with it's address, phone number, web address, latitude and
longitude, etc. If I have entered the cemetery before, then the second time,
I merely click on the button Address List button within the Burial Address
window and select the cemetery previously entered.




 This allows me to keep my locations as just locations and not confuse
them with cemetery names. It also allows me to run to see a listing of
everyone within the specific cemetery. Or I can also see everyone with an
event within a specific location.




 Just my two cents.



 Cathy






 At 12:12 PM 1/4/2009, you wrote:




 2) Place names: Coming from TMG, I very often show a place with an
additional DETAIL.such as: Midtown Cemetery, Mansfield, Richland County,
Ohio. Will that mess up the location sorting because of the extra field? If
so, how best to fix it?



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Re: [LegacyUG] Census vs Residence

2009-01-05 Thread Cathy Vallevieni

I follow Geoff's method and put all the Census info in the Event, 
even for other members of the household, because I like to see the 
trend of the family (who lived with them, who was no longer living 
with them--I even note if it appears a child died because they 
dropped off the census at a young age with no other evidence, the 
household help which may speak to their financial circumstances--had 
household help then didn't, if an elderly mother or father or married 
son/daughter lived with them, etc.).  It also points out the various 
ages or immigration dates so a reader of the information (myself 
included) can see what seemed to be the accurate information.  I'm 
sure there's other trends, etc. that I watch but can't think of them 
off the top of my head.


Maybe this is just my nosy nature or my analytical self showing 
up but it works for me.  With copy and paste, it doesn't take long.


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Re: [LegacyUG] Use for USER ID numbers

I also post to findagrave.com and I've set a tag for everyone that is 
on findagrave.com.  That way, if I have that tag showing in the main 
screen, I can immediately see if they are on findagrave.com or I can 
use the search function to create a list of everyone I have (or have 
not) posted.


Cathy Vallevieni
Orange County, CA

 At 04:17 AM 1/4/2009, you wrote:
I just realized I could put that extra USER ID field to good 
use.  When I post info for someone to 
http://findagrave.comfindagrave.com I put the Find A Grave 
Memorial # in the User ID field.


I set the fields showing on my main screen to:
Birth Date  Place
Death Date  Place
Burial Date  Place
Names Alternate 1
User ID

This way I can see at a glance whether the person has been entered 
at Find a Grave or not.


Allison

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Re: [LegacyUG] Use for USER ID numbers

I use the User ID field to record where the paper files are located 
(in my case I use a family initial followed by the MRIN for the 
person or, for unmarried people, their parents' MRIN).


If the MRIN or RINs are changed or become corrupt due to a software 
problem, I figure I can go to a back-up, print the list, and re-input 
them as they were.  While this would be a pain, you would have to do 
that even if you had the RIN in the User ID field.  I am hoping if it 
does happen (and I can't just restore a backed up version of Legacy 
for whatever reason), there will be a program or ??? that help me to 
repopulate the fields.  If not, I'm still covered.  You could also 
print a hard copy list of your people with the MRIN listed if you 
don't like the idea of going back to look at a back up file.


Cathy Vallevieni
Orange County, CA


At 12:32 PM 1/4/2009, you wrote:
Though I like this idea weren't we once told that the User ID field 
needed to be populated with the RIN #s in case they were put in a 
hat and thrown in the air to land where they might?


On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 7:17 AM, Allison Nelson 
mailto:allison...@gmail.comallison...@gmail.com wrote:
I just realized I could put that extra USER ID field to good 
use.  When I post info for someone to 
http://findagrave.comfindagrave.com I put the Find A Grave 
Memorial # in the User ID field.


I set the fields showing on my main screen to:
Birth Date  Place
Death Date  Place
Burial Date  Place
Names Alternate 1
User ID

This way I can see at a glance whether the person has been entered 
at Find a Grave or not.


Allison

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Re: [LegacyUG] Newbie questions

2009-01-04 Thread Cathy


Kathy,

Regarding item (2) of your query, I don't place the cemetery name in 
the location field.  Instead,  I click on the + found to the right 
of the burial location field and select Burial Address.  I place 
the name of the cemetery there along with it's address, phone number, 
web address, latitude and longitude, etc.  If I have entered the 
cemetery before, then the second time, I merely click on the button 
Address List button within the Burial Address window and select the 
cemetery previously entered.


This allows me to keep my locations as just locations and not confuse 
them with cemetery names.  It also allows me to run  to see a listing 
of everyone within the specific cemetery.  Or I can also see everyone 
with an event within a specific location.


Just my two cents.

Cathy


At 12:12 PM 1/4/2009, you wrote:

2) Place names:  Coming from TMG, I very often show a place with an 
additional DETAIL.such as:  Midtown Cemetery, Mansfield, 
Richland County, Ohio. Will that mess up the location sorting 
because of the extra field? If so, how best to fix it?

..



Kathy





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Re: [LegacyUG] Use for USER ID numbers


Ron:

I'm sorry.  I thought I was sending in plain text 
since no one has ever said anything to me before.


I made a change in the defaults.  Did this come through as plain text or HTML?

Cathy Vallevieni

At 03:35 PM 1/4/2009, you wrote:

Cathy,
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Re: [LegacyUG] Use for USER ID numbers


JL:

What you say sounds logical.  Somehow it just seemed easy for me to 
look at the User ID and know which family book and which file in that 
book contained all the paper documents for that person.  I'll 
consider what you have said.  As always, thanks for your continued input.


Cathy Vallevieni
Orange County, CA

At 04:14 PM 1/4/2009, you wrote:
I thought that was what the File ID field is for.  After you cite a 
source and the Source Detail Box comes up, there's a field called 
File ID.  There's also a small magnifier next to it for finding the 
next one in order.  Did I forget to mention that before?

-
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Cathy Vallevieni wrote:
I use the User ID field to record where the paper files are located 
(in my case I use a family initial followed by the MRIN for the 
person or, for unmarried people, their parents' MRIN).


If the MRIN or RINs are changed or become corrupt due to a software 
problem, I figure I can go to a back-up, print the list, and 
re-input them as they were.  While this would be a pain, you would 
have to do that even if you had the RIN in the User ID field.  I am 
hoping if it does happen (and I can't just restore a backed up 
version of Legacy for whatever reason), there will be a program or 
??? that help me to repopulate the fields.  If not, I'm still 
covered.  You could also print a hard copy list of your people with 
the MRIN listed if you don't like the idea of going back to look at 
a back up file.


Cathy Vallevieni
Orange County, CA


At 12:32 PM 1/4/2009, you wrote:
Though I like this idea weren't we once told that the User ID 
field needed to be populated with the RIN #s in case they were put 
in a hat and thrown in the air to land where they might?


On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 7:17 AM, Allison Nelson 
allison...@gmail.com mailto:allison...@gmail.com wrote:


I just realized I could put that extra USER ID field to good
use.  When I post info for someone to findagrave.com
http://findagrave.com I put the Find A Grave Memorial # in the
User ID field.
I set the fields showing on my main screen to:
Birth Date  Place
Death Date  Place
Burial Date  Place
Names Alternate 1
User ID

This way I can see at a glance whether the person has been
entered at Find a Grave or not.

Allison

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Re: [LegacyUG] Marriage Events on Individual Report


Gary:

I sent a suggestion to Millennia to allow marriage events to print on 
the Individual Report a month or so ago.  You have my strong vote for 
this.  I would much prefer to enter the information one time and have 
it print on their Individual Reports as well as the Family 
Report.  Otherwise, there's really no point in entering an event 
under the Marriage since it also has to be entered in both the 
husband and wife's records as well.


If anyone else sees the value of this, please let Millennia know.

Cathy Vallevieni
Orange County, CA


At 05:01 PM 1/4/2009, you wrote:

With the onset of V7, has anyone yet found a way to include Marriage
Events on an Individual Report?  I see the Individual Report on its
Include tab has an option to include Marriage Events but it is
grayed out thus making it an item that can not be selected.  Has
anyone discovered when or how this item becomes active for checking?

It was thought this issue would become a V7 update since many Legacy
users choose to put joint activities such as joint home ownership,
joint addresses, joint property ownership, joint travel, etc, under
marriage events.  If these events do not appear on an Individal
Report, unexplained gaps of information exist.

Of course the work around being used was to double or triple the same
entry, once as a husband event, again as a wife event, and then again
at times as an event on the marriage screen.  This seems terribly
redundant given the sophistication of today's computer capability.

Pehaps this issue has been remedied with the latest update and I've
overlooked the means to make it work.  In that case I welcome guidance
on how to get there from here.
Thanks
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Re: [LegacyUG] Use for USER ID numbers


JL:

Another great tip.  I never tried clicking the Show Entire Source; 
I always clicked Edit to see the File ID.  I guess this is a reason 
to try every option on every screen to see what is available!  Lesson learned.


Cathy Vallevieni
Orange County, CA

At 07:56 PM 1/4/2009, you wrote:
The way the File ID's show up is under Output on the Assigned 
Sources window as long as you click the Show all (or something, too 
lazy to open Legacy right now) button (far left) but since Legacy 7 
it doesn't stay on between screens and has to be clicked to turn it 
on over and over and over.  The little magnifier can help to find 
the next available number or extension to number being used. I find 
it handy in that location if I have to reconnect an image that's 
gone missing or just knowing what source has which file linked to it. -

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Cathy Vallevieni wrote:


JL:

What you say sounds logical.  Somehow it just seemed easy for me 
to look at the User ID and know which family book and which file in 
that book contained all the paper documents for that person.  I'll 
consider what you have said.  As always, thanks for your continued input.


Cathy Vallevieni
Orange County, CA

At 04:14 PM 1/4/2009, you wrote:
I thought that was what the File ID field is for.  After you cite 
a source and the Source Detail Box comes up, there's a field 
called File ID.  There's also a small magnifier next to it for 
finding the next one in order.  Did I forget to mention that before?

-
JL
JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists
http://www.jgen.ws/jlog

Cathy Vallevieni wrote:
I use the User ID field to record where the paper files are 
located (in my case I use a family initial followed by the MRIN 
for the person or, for unmarried people, their parents' MRIN).


If the MRIN or RINs are changed or become corrupt due to a 
software problem, I figure I can go to a back-up, print the list, 
and re-input them as they were.  While this would be a pain, you 
would have to do that even if you had the RIN in the User ID 
field.  I am hoping if it does happen (and I can't just restore a 
backed up version of Legacy for whatever reason), there will be a 
program or ??? that help me to repopulate the fields.  If not, 
I'm still covered.  You could also print a hard copy list of your 
people with the MRIN listed if you don't like the idea of going 
back to look at a back up file.


Cathy Vallevieni
Orange County, CA


At 12:32 PM 1/4/2009, you wrote:
Though I like this idea weren't we once told that the User ID 
field needed to be populated with the RIN #s in case they were 
put in a hat and thrown in the air to land where they might?


On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 7:17 AM, Allison Nelson 
allison...@gmail.com mailto:allison...@gmail.com wrote:


I just realized I could put that extra USER ID field to good
use.  When I post info for someone to findagrave.com
http://findagrave.com I put the Find A Grave Memorial # in the
User ID field.
I set the fields showing on my main screen to:
Birth Date  Place
Death Date  Place
Burial Date  Place
Names Alternate 1
User ID

This way I can see at a glance whether the person has been
entered at Find a Grave or not.

Allison

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Re: [LegacyUG] Use for USER ID numbers


JL:

There is an option on most (or maybe all) reports to print the User 
ID next to the name (just like the RIN).  It also can be displayed on 
the Main Screen instead of the RIN.  Not sure it's better than 
looking at the File ID, but it is a quick way to see the family line 
and the location of the paper files.  When I'm done with my project 
of reorganizing the paper files, I'm not sure how often I'll need to 
know where the paper documents are stored.  This may just be handy 
now but rarely used in the normal course of business.  Although, I 
think I will like knowing the family line at a glance in the future 
and maybe on the reports as well  Time will tell.


Cathy Vallevieni
Orange County, CA


At 09:49 PM 1/4/2009, you wrote:
Those numbers also print out in reports if you want them to, right 
along with the source citations, on reports where you have the 
options to include detailed citations, which I don't think you could 
do with the User ID's.  At least not in that place.

-
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Cathy Vallevieni wrote:


JL:

Another great tip.  I never tried clicking the Show Entire 
Source; I always clicked Edit to see the File ID.  I guess this 
is a reason to try every option on every screen to see what is 
available!  Lesson learned.


Cathy Vallevieni
Orange County, CA

At 07:56 PM 1/4/2009, you wrote:
The way the File ID's show up is under Output on the Assigned 
Sources window as long as you click the Show all (or something, 
too lazy to open Legacy right now) button (far left) but since 
Legacy 7 it doesn't stay on between screens and has to be clicked 
to turn it on over and over and over.  The little magnifier can 
help to find the next available number or extension to number 
being used. I find it handy in that location if I have to 
reconnect an image that's gone missing or just knowing what source 
has which file linked to it. -

JL
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Cathy Vallevieni wrote:


JL:

What you say sounds logical.  Somehow it just seemed easy for 
me to look at the User ID and know which family book and which 
file in that book contained all the paper documents for that 
person.  I'll consider what you have said.  As always, thanks for 
your continued input.


Cathy Vallevieni
Orange County, CA

At 04:14 PM 1/4/2009, you wrote:
I thought that was what the File ID field is for.  After you 
cite a source and the Source Detail Box comes up, there's a 
field called File ID.  There's also a small magnifier next to it 
for finding the next one in order.  Did I forget to mention that before?

-
JL
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Cathy Vallevieni wrote:
I use the User ID field to record where the paper files are 
located (in my case I use a family initial followed by the MRIN 
for the person or, for unmarried people, their parents' MRIN).


If the MRIN or RINs are changed or become corrupt due to a 
software problem, I figure I can go to a back-up, print the 
list, and re-input them as they were.  While this would be a 
pain, you would have to do that even if you had the RIN in the 
User ID field.  I am hoping if it does happen (and I can't just 
restore a backed up version of Legacy for whatever reason), 
there will be a program or ??? that help me to repopulate the 
fields.  If not, I'm still covered.  You could also print a 
hard copy list of your people with the MRIN listed if you don't 
like the idea of going back to look at a back up file.


Cathy Vallevieni
Orange County, CA


At 12:32 PM 1/4/2009, you wrote:
Though I like this idea weren't we once told that the User ID 
field needed to be populated with the RIN #s in case they were 
put in a hat and thrown in the air to land where they might?


On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 7:17 AM, Allison Nelson 
allison...@gmail.com mailto:allison...@gmail.com wrote:


I just realized I could put that extra USER ID field to good
use.  When I post info for someone to findagrave.com
http://findagrave.com I put the Find A Grave Memorial # in the
User ID field.
I set the fields showing on my main screen to:
Birth Date  Place
Death Date  Place
Burial Date  Place
Names Alternate 1
User ID

This way I can see at a glance whether the person has been
entered at Find a Grave or not.

Allison

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Re: [LegacyUG] Is there a way to bulk fill in the User ID field for a tagged list of people?

2009-01-03 Thread Cathy Vallevieni

I want to add that after I designated my family lines by modifying 
the MRIN's to reflect the appropriate family line I, too, was able to 
quickly fill in all the User IDs with the modified MRINs including 
unmarried children thanks to Dennis K's help (see below).  A great 
time saver and I am now way more organized.


Cathy Vallevieni
Orange County, CA


At 02:58 AM 1/3/2009, you wrote:

Many thanks to Jenny Benson, Cathy Vallevieni for solving this problem.
I contacted Dennis K, as suggested by Cathy, and managed to do the 
job in less than five minutes, so particular thanks to Dennis!


Elizabeth

Is it then possible to put the letter H into all their ID numbers, 
followed by their RIN, but not in the other lines.


Cathy Vallevieni wrote:
Check with Dennis K. offlist at lto...@kowallekfamily.com 
mailto:lto...@kowallekfamily.com to see if he has a way to do this.



Jenny M Benson wrote:
In addition to using the Ancestor Colour Coding, which only 
affects the direct line as you say, I use the same set of colours 
for the Tabs 1 to 4 which I use to distinguish each 
line.  *Everyone* in the my paternal grandfather's line is tagged 
3 and colour coded blue, for example, and that includes people 
who married into that line.  I also use a letter to distinguish 
the line which is part of the User ID so I always know at a 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Is there a way to bulk fill in the User ID field for a tagged list of people?

2008-12-27 Thread Cathy Vallevieni


Elizabeth:

Yep. Maybe Legacy could add a function to choose how many tags to 
display.  There's room on the main screen to display even all 9 
tags.  I hadn't realized it, but I am frequently changing which tags 
to display as I work on separate projects.  Would be convenient to 
just have all of them displayed (or at least more than 3).


Cathy Vallevieni
Orange County, CA

At 06:11 AM 12/27/2008, you wrote:
Many thanks - that's worked well.  Now if I could just display 4 
tags instead of 3, that would show me at a glance which line each 
person belongs to!




Cathy Vallevieni wrote:

Elizabeth:
An addition to my previous e-mail answering question #1.  The 
directions I gave will give you all the ancestors of the person but 
does not include the descendants which would also be filed in that 
family's paper file.  So I went back into Advance Tagging for the 
same individual I am working on and selected the same tag number I 
previously used (which was still populated with the ancestors of 
the family line I am working on) and chose Descendants (NOT All 
Descendants) which added them to the tag list.  This resulted in a 
more complete list.




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Re: [LegacyUG] Is there a way to bulk fill in the User ID field for a tagged list of people?


Dennis (or anyone else that wants to answer):

The new filing system described in my previous e-mail is organized by 
grandparents and their ancestors.  What family line would I file 
documents for descendants of the grandparents (i.e. my and my 
husband's parents, ourselves, our kids and everyone else of this 
generation)?  Would the husband's ancestor line determine it (i.e. 
Vallevieni for my husband and I and our kids since we are all named 
Vallevieni) or what about using the 0-999 group for the descendants?


Thanks again.

Cathy Vallevieni
Orange County, CA

At 01:51 PM 12/25/2008, you wrote:
With a little help from Dennis K. I was able to put my MRIN's in the 
Marriage User ID fields and it took a split second.  That part 
done.  I also have read 'ominous' threats of something going 
seriously wrong with the present arrangement of things but have 
never experienced it.  I finally decided to make a backup 
anyway.  First, I would print out the Marriage List on a regular 
basis as a pdf in case I ever needed the numbers.  Although, putting 
them back one at a time would be a real nasty job.  Then I put them 
into the User ID fields one at a time (it took hours, and again, any 
needed restoration would be a pain) then Dennis K. showed me how to 
get them into the Marriage User ID fields.

Same pain if it ever came to a need to restore to the MRIN fields.
Sherry, at Legacy, has been the consistent bearer of ominous 
threats, so I think Legacy might think of making a way of backing up 
and restoring MRIN's if such a thing was ever needed.
I don't know if you can renumber a tagged list of MRIN's (still 
sticking to my idea here of assigning a range of numbers to each 
grandparent) - I don't see a way of doing that in Legacy.  If you 
renumber MRIN's as-you-go you can still have a range of numbers for 
each grandparent and use the next available in that range.  That 
will give you a quick view in the MRIN field of which grandparent 
line you're working in, and you should be able to print a list of 
all MRIN's that would automatically be divided by lines. The one 
'glitch' to this is that there will be all the numbers that haven't 
been renumbered yet that appear to be in the range of one 
grandparent or another when in actual fact they're not. Unless you 
start your renumbering higher outside the range of present MRIN's.
For instance, in my father's line, the MRIN's that have documents 
connected is somewhere around 650.  My mother's line starts at 
5000.  So I know if I see MRIN 830 it's not connected to my Source 
Library in any way and I also don't know which side of the family it 
is (by number).  I haven't found this to be a problem though.  It 
depends how much importance you place on that visual cue.


Show snoveled, back to laundry...
-
JL
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Cathy Vallevieni wrote:


JL:

Thank you.  I previously read an on-line document describing your 
system (probably something you wrote).  I've been afraid to change 
all the MRINs but doing it as I come across a family that has 
documents feels easier.   This still doesn't solve the problem that 
occurs if the MRINs get screwed up or have to be changed (as has 
been ominously discussed several times in the past).  Although, I 
don't think I've heard of anyone experiencing that.  This is why I 
decided to use the User ID field which hopefully will never need to 
be changed for any maintenance, corruption or other issue.


In response to your previous response . . . Yep, it's Christmas, 
and shoveling out your car doesn't sound like the best way to spend it.
We have nurses and police in our family who are working today so 
did our Christmas yesterday.  Today has actually been a great day 
without interruptions (husband is glued to the Law and Order 
marathon on TV) to work on genealogy but we are leaving soon to go 
to the movies/dinner with friends so I'll grudgingly have to tear 
myself away from the computer.


Cathy Vallevieni
Orange County, CA

At 12:55 PM 12/25/2008, you wrote:

Cathy V.,

It's not necessary to use the User ID field at all to accomplish a 
list and a 'quick view'.  I was so focused by your focus, I missed 
the bigger picture.  I sort my MRIN's by father's side and 
mother's side, but the same principals would apply to splitting by 
4 grandparents.  I use MRIN 1-4999 for my father's side although 
that's only theoretical.  In practice the MRIN's presently in use 
(ie. with related documents) go up to about 650.  My mother's side 
starts at 5000.  At a glance I can see what side of the family I'm on.

For four grandparents it could work something like this:
1-1999 grandparent 1
2000-3999 grandparent 2
4000-5999 grandparent 3
6000-7999 grandparent 4

I've only renumbered the MRIN's I have documents for and do that 
as I go, not ahead of time.  That means I ignore anything where 
the numbers I see are outside where I know my Source Library has gotten

Re: [LegacyUG] Is there a way to bulk fill in the User ID field for a tagged list of people?


John:

JL mentioned that Dennis K. helped him do this.  Check out 
http://ltools.kowallekfamily.com/ and/or contact him offlist at 
mailto:lto...@kowallekfamily.comlto...@kowallekfamily.com.


Cathy Vallevieni
Orange County, CA


At 04:48 AM 12/26/2008, you wrote:
Could you please tell us how to put MRINs into the Marriage ID 
field In seconds

I have a similar system but not the MRINS at the movement
John
Manchester
England


- Original Message -
From: JLB j...@telus.net
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2008 9:51 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Is there a way to bulk fill in the User ID 
field for a tagged list of people?



 With a little help from Dennis K. I was able to put my MRIN's in the
 Marriage User ID fields and it took a split second.  That part done.  I
 also have read 'ominous' threats of something going seriously wrong with
 the present arrangement of things but have never experienced it.  I
 finally decided to make a backup anyway.  First, I would print out the
 Marriage List on a regular basis as a pdf in case I ever needed the
 numbers.  Although, putting them back one at a time would be a real
 nasty job.  Then I put them into the User ID fields one at a time (it
 took hours, and again, any needed restoration would be a pain) then
 Dennis K. showed me how to get them into the Marriage User ID fields.
 Same pain if it ever came to a need to restore to the MRIN fields.
 Sherry, at Legacy, has been the consistent bearer of ominous threats, so
 I think Legacy might think of making a way of backing up and restoring
 MRIN's if such a thing was ever needed.

 I don't know if you can renumber a tagged list of MRIN's (still sticking
 to my idea here of assigning a range of numbers to each grandparent) - I
 don't see a way of doing that in Legacy.  If you renumber MRIN's
 as-you-go you can still have a range of numbers for each grandparent and
 use the next available in that range.  That will give you a quick view
 in the MRIN field of which grandparent line you're working in, and you
 should be able to print a list of all MRIN's that would automatically be
 divided by lines. The one 'glitch' to this is that there will be all the
 numbers that haven't been renumbered yet that appear to be in the range
 of one grandparent or another when in actual fact they're not. Unless
 you start your renumbering higher outside the range of present MRIN's.

 For instance, in my father's line, the MRIN's that have documents
 connected is somewhere around 650.  My mother's line starts at 5000.  So
 I know if I see MRIN 830 it's not connected to my Source Library in any
 way and I also don't know which side of the family it is (by number).  I
 haven't found this to be a problem though.  It depends how much
 importance you place on that visual cue.

 Show snoveled, back to laundry...
 -
 JL
 JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists
 http://www.jgen.ws/jlog

 Cathy Vallevieni wrote:

 JL:

 Thank you.  I previously read an on-line document describing your
 system (probably something you wrote).  I've been afraid to change all
 the MRINs but doing it as I come across a family that has documents
 feels easier.   This still doesn't solve the problem that occurs if
 the MRINs get screwed up or have to be changed (as has been ominously
 discussed several times in the past).  Although, I don't think I've
 heard of anyone experiencing that.  This is why I decided to use the
 User ID field which hopefully will never need to be changed for any
 maintenance, corruption or other issue.

 In response to your previous response . . . Yep, it's Christmas, and
 shoveling out your car doesn't sound like the best way to spend it.
 We have nurses and police in our family who are working today so did
 our Christmas yesterday.  Today has actually been a great day without
 interruptions (husband is glued to the Law and Order marathon on TV)
 to work on genealogy but we are leaving soon to go to the
 movies/dinner with friends so I'll grudgingly have to tear myself away
 from the computer.

 Cathy Vallevieni
 Orange County, CA

 At 12:55 PM 12/25/2008, you wrote:
 Cathy V.,

 It's not necessary to use the User ID field at all to accomplish a
 list and a 'quick view'.  I was so focused by your focus, I missed
 the bigger picture.  I sort my MRIN's by father's side and mother's
 side, but the same principals would apply to splitting by 4
 grandparents.  I use MRIN 1-4999 for my father's side although that's
 only theoretical.  In practice the MRIN's presently in use (ie. with
 related documents) go up to about 650.  My mother's side starts at
 5000.  At a glance I can see what side of the family I'm on.
 For four grandparents it could work something like this:
 1-1999 grandparent 1
 2000-3999 grandparent 2
 4000-5999 grandparent 3
 6000-7999 grandparent 4

 I've only renumbered the MRIN's I have documents for and do that as I
 go, not ahead of time.  That means I ignore anything where

Re: [LegacyUG] Is there a way to bulk fill in the User ID field for a tagged list of people?


JL:

Again, thank you for the advice.  I'll consider all you said since I 
haven't yet implemented the new system.


Cathy Vallevieni
Orange County, CA

At 09:05 AM 12/26/2008, you wrote:
Some things need to be fudged.  Since I start my division at 
parents, not grandparents, there are less descendants.  I don't have 
many documents there but the ones I do have, for instance my own 
birth certificate, goes under my father's side numbering since we 
share a surname.  I think the idea generally is to make a decision 
and be consistent so you know where you are.
I forgot to mention, in my system I use 4000-4999 on my father's 
side and 9000 and up on my mother's side for Master Source File 
ID's.  This problem of how to number descendants comes into play 
more in this area.
For instance, emails from my sisters.  Which side do they go?  Well, 
once again, under my father because they share his surname.  It's 
not critical, just trying to be consistent.


You have many more lines you're splitting by (noting previous email) 
so it's that much more to keep track of.  I used to keep the two 
sides in separate libraries but I found that a nuisance when 
browsing in Legacy for the link, so I threw them all into one 
folder.  1,600 files later it's just on the brink of becoming large 
to scroll through, but not too bad.
I also annotate all photos and every other kind of file (including 
the entire Source Library) using a program called MediaDex so I can 
call up everything I've got on a particular person or line when I 
need it (either for a personal project) or for emailing to some-one 
else who's interested.
I'm not clear on why you feel a need to use the User ID field if 
you're sorting your lines by ranges of numbers. -

JL
JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists
http://www.jgen.ws/jlog

Cathy Vallevieni wrote:


Dennis (or anyone else that wants to answer):

The new filing system described in my previous e-mail is organized 
by grandparents and their ancestors.  What family line would I file 
documents for descendants of the grandparents (i.e. my and my 
husband's parents, ourselves, our kids and everyone else of this 
generation)?  Would the husband's ancestor line determine it (i.e. 
Vallevieni for my husband and I and our kids since we are all named 
Vallevieni) or what about using the 0-999 group for the descendants?


Thanks again.

Cathy Vallevieni
Orange County, CA





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Re: [LegacyUG] Is there a way to bulk fill in the User ID field for a tagged list of people?


At 02:53 AM 12/26/2008, you wrote:

This sounds exactly what I would like to do.  Would you be so kind as to
outline the steps involved, please?
Obviously set tabs 1-4 for each line, then tag each line, but this is
where things sometimes go awry with me.

1. How can I be sure that EVERYONE in any way connected to my
father-in-law, for example, is tagged 1 and then coloured blue?  I 
can tag his parents and their ancestors but their descendants are 
then left out.  If I click 'entire family line' that includes all 
those other lines I don't want.  How can I include my husband's 
g.g.g.g.g.g.g.g.g. granddad's descendants not in the direct line, for instance?
I do realise this is explained in the help file, but I seem to go 
round and round in circles, not getting there!  On the main screen 
go to the most recent person in the line (i.e. your father-in-law) 
and right click the tags just below his name.  That brings up the 
Advanced Tagging Window.  Select tag and the tag number you want 
for his line in the Make changes on # (this will be the tag for 
his line).  Then click Ancestors and select Entire Ancestor 
Line.  You will then have tagged everyone linked in any way to his 
ancestor line including their descendants.  You can then use the 
Search Function, select Detailed Search, Who to Search For = 
Individual, What to Search For = Tag 9 (or whatever tag number you 
used), How to Look = Equal To, What to Look For = Tagged.  That 
will give you a list of just your father-in-law's line.  Print it or 
however you want to work with the list.  Use it to change the MRIN's 
and fill in the User ID's.  I wouldn't take up 8 tags for this.  I 
would do one line and print the list then clear the tags and do it 
again using the same tag # for the next line and print that list, 
etc.  I don't know how to color code each of the 8 separate lines on 
the computer (except for the color on the tag if you decide to 
permanently assign a tag to each line, and the color box for your 
two direct ancestor lines shown next to the names on each screen 
(see Color-Coding of Ancestors in the Help Menu).


2. Is it then possible to put the letter H into all their ID numbers,
followed by their RIN, but not in the other lines.  I haven't 
figured out a way to automatically do this and have decided to do 
them manually since I want to fill in the User ID fields at the same 
time.  Check with Dennis K. offlist at 
mailto:lto...@kowallekfamily.comlto...@kowallekfamily.com to see 
if he has a way to do this.


3. Having done the same to the other three lines, I would then like to
put different letters in to each batch of IDs there.

4.  I realise I could export each line separately and then colour 
and tag before re-merging but as I have been one of those with merge 
disasters I don't want to do that!


With 3,000+ people in the database, I don't want to do it all manually!
Elizabeth


Jenny M Benson wrote:
In addition to using the Ancestor Colour Coding, which only affects 
the direct line as you say, I use the same set of colours for the 
Tabs 1 to 4 which I use to distinguish each line.  *Everyone* in 
the my paternal grandfather's line is tagged 3 and colour coded 
blue, for example, and that includes people who married into that 
line.  I also use a letter to distinguish the line which is part of 
the User ID so I always know at a glance where anyone belongs.





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Re: [LegacyUG] Is there a way to bulk fill in the User ID field for a tagged list of people?


JL:

Forgot to answer why I am filling in the User ID field.  I am using 
it to put where the paper documents are filed for that person (i.e. 
John Vallevieni, an unmarried man RIN 1234 who's parents have MRIN 
1001 would have User ID field of V1001 to indicate his paper 
documents are filed in file V1001 (his parents file since his is 
unmarried).  Without this, I would have to find his parents, look at 
their MRIN # to find where his paper documents are filed.  Just a 
quick and easy way to find the location on the computer or on reports 
(as long as I print the User ID on reports).


Cathy Vallevieni
Orange County, CA


At 09:05 AM 12/26/2008, you wrote:
Some things need to be fudged.  Since I start my division at 
parents, not grandparents, there are less descendants.  I don't have 
many documents there but the ones I do have, for instance my own 
birth certificate, goes under my father's side numbering since we 
share a surname.  I think the idea generally is to make a decision 
and be consistent so you know where you are.
I forgot to mention, in my system I use 4000-4999 on my father's 
side and 9000 and up on my mother's side for Master Source File 
ID's.  This problem of how to number descendants comes into play 
more in this area.
For instance, emails from my sisters.  Which side do they go?  Well, 
once again, under my father because they share his surname.  It's 
not critical, just trying to be consistent.


You have many more lines you're splitting by (noting previous email) 
so it's that much more to keep track of.  I used to keep the two 
sides in separate libraries but I found that a nuisance when 
browsing in Legacy for the link, so I threw them all into one 
folder.  1,600 files later it's just on the brink of becoming large 
to scroll through, but not too bad.
I also annotate all photos and every other kind of file (including 
the entire Source Library) using a program called MediaDex so I can 
call up everything I've got on a particular person or line when I 
need it (either for a personal project) or for emailing to some-one 
else who's interested.
I'm not clear on why you feel a need to use the User ID field if 
you're sorting your lines by ranges of numbers. -

JL
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Cathy Vallevieni wrote:


Dennis (or anyone else that wants to answer):

The new filing system described in my previous e-mail is organized 
by grandparents and their ancestors.  What family line would I file 
documents for descendants of the grandparents (i.e. my and my 
husband's parents, ourselves, our kids and everyone else of this 
generation)?  Would the husband's ancestor line determine it (i.e. 
Vallevieni for my husband and I and our kids since we are all named 
Vallevieni) or what about using the 0-999 group for the descendants?


Thanks again.

Cathy Vallevieni
Orange County, CA





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Re: [LegacyUG] Is there a way to bulk fill in the User ID field for a tagged list of people?


John:

Thanks for your suggestion.  It's close.  This option will put in the 
Family Code that I want but also automatically puts the RIN after 
it for each individual.  I want it to refer to the file where the 
paper documents are located and that will be the Family Code 
followed by the MRIN.  I know the User ID is intended to be a unique 
number for each individual but I want to use it to permanently record 
the ancestor family group (i.e. which grandparent lineage they are 
part of) and the location of the paper documents for the person.


Thank you.

Cathy Vallevieni
Orange County, CA

P.S.  John, a line of my family came from the Manchester area.  Would 
it be OK if I contacted you off-list regarding a couple of questions 
I have about the area?



At 04:42 AM 12/25/2008, you wrote:

Hello Cathy
If you go to options Other and look to the bottom left of the 
screen Fill all ID Fields

Will this help you
Regards
John
Manchester
England
- Original Message -
From: Cathy Vallevieni cathyv...@cox.net
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2008 7:55 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Is there a way to bulk fill in the User ID 
field for a tagged list of people?



I didn't write the sentence clearly enough.  I meant to say I wanted
 to print a list of all individuals in my database and that list would
 contain the User ID field so anyone looking at the books rather than
 the computer could quickly see in which Family Book that person's
 paper documents are located.  Regardless of printing the list, I
 still need the Family identifier in the User ID field so I can see on
 the computer what Family line an individual belongs to in order to
 file and retrieve their paper documents.

 Thanks for the response to my question.  I'll see if anyone chimes in
 with the magic answer.  If not, it'll be a few hours of manual
 entries (I guess I could just add the MRIN number at the same time
 and start with the individuals that I do have documents for).

 Cathy Vallevieni
 Orange County, CA

 At 10:56 PM 12/24/2008, you wrote:
I don't think Legacy has that capacity.  Every once in awhile I'm
looking for batch-processing and then I remember, that's in my
graphics software, not Legacy.  But there are some on this list who
do fancier things with databases behind the scenes.  Here's hoping
one of them shows up.

You could still print a list for each tagged group.  Why does it
have to be a list from the User ID field?
-
JL
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http://www.jgen.ws/jlog

Cathy Vallevieni wrote:

I want to put the same piece of information in the User ID field
for a tagged list of people, all at one time (not doing it one by one).
Does anyone know how to do this or that it cannot be done?

In case someone has a better idea:  I am setting up a new filing
system for hard copy (paper) documents and have decided to create
family books for each of my grandparents (using the MRIN
system).  I want to use the User ID field to note in which book
that person's documents are filed.  Eventually I may (one-by-one)
add their MRIN number so I will have a permanent record of the
filing system I am using in case the MRIN numbers get messed up or
have to be changed some time in the future.  In the meantime, I'd
be thrilled just to get the book reference input to the User ID
field so I can print a list with this field to know in which book
to look for the documents.

Thank you.

And Happy Holidays to All!

Cathy Vallevieni
Orange County, CA




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Re: [LegacyUG] Is there a way to bulk fill in the User ID field for a tagged list of people?


Dennis:

I didn't think of that (still mentally formulating my 
system).  Maybe I'll have to enter 2 MRINs (I know this is a 
non-conforming way to use this field but I think it will serve my 
purpose)?  Love this group for thinking of all of the what if's so 
a decision is based on all the possibilities.  Thank you, Dennis.


Cathy Vallevieni
Orange County, CA

I'll At 05:08 AM 12/25/2008, you wrote:

On Wed, 24 Dec 2008 21:31:57 -0800, Cathy Vallevieni cathyv...@cox.net
wrote:

I
want to use the User ID field to note in which book that person's
documents are filed.  Eventually I may (one-by-one) add their MRIN
number so I will have a permanent record of the filing system I am
using in case the MRIN numbers get messed up or have to be changed
some time in the future.

Just curious ... what will you put in the UserID field when a person has
2 MRINs (2 marriages)?

--

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http://ltools.kowallekfamily.com/



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Re: [LegacyUG] Is there a way to bulk fill in the User ID field for a tagged list of people?


JL:

This works for viewing on the computer.  I'm also trying to create a 
printed list of the individuals that shows where their documents are filed.


Thanks for your continued assistance.

Cathy Vallevieni
Orange County, CA

At 09:11 AM 12/25/2008, you wrote:
The only thing I can think of that's built into Legacy for marking 
lines is the color-coding for the 4 grandparents.  Could you work 
something with this instead?

-
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Cathy Vallevieni wrote:


I didn't write the sentence clearly enough.  I meant to say I 
wanted to print a list of all individuals in my database and that 
list would contain the User ID field so anyone looking at the books 
rather than the computer could quickly see in which Family Book 
that person's paper documents are located.  Regardless of printing 
the list, I still need the Family identifier in the User ID field 
so I can see on the computer what Family line an individual belongs 
to in order to file and retrieve their paper documents.


Thanks for the response to my question.  I'll see if anyone chimes 
in with the magic answer.  If not, it'll be a few hours of manual 
entries (I guess I could just add the MRIN number at the same time 
and start with the individuals that I do have documents for).


Cathy Vallevieni
Orange County, CA

At 10:56 PM 12/24/2008, you wrote:
I don't think Legacy has that capacity.  Every once in awhile I'm 
looking for batch-processing and then I remember, that's in my 
graphics software, not Legacy.  But there are some on this list 
who do fancier things with databases behind the scenes.  Here's 
hoping one of them shows up.


You could still print a list for each tagged group.  Why does it 
have to be a list from the User ID field?

-
JL
JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists
http://www.jgen.ws/jlog

Cathy Vallevieni wrote:


I want to put the same piece of information in the User ID field 
for a tagged list of people, all at one time (not doing it one by one).

Does anyone know how to do this or that it cannot be done?

In case someone has a better idea:  I am setting up a new filing 
system for hard copy (paper) documents and have decided to create 
family books for each of my grandparents (using the MRIN 
system).  I want to use the User ID field to note in which book 
that person's documents are filed.  Eventually I may (one-by-one) 
add their MRIN number so I will have a permanent record of the 
filing system I am using in case the MRIN numbers get messed up 
or have to be changed some time in the future.  In the meantime, 
I'd be thrilled just to get the book reference input to the 
User ID field so I can print a list with this field to know in 
which book to look for the documents.


Thank you.

And Happy Holidays to All!

Cathy Vallevieni
Orange County, CA




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Re: [LegacyUG] Is there a way to bulk fill in the User ID field for a tagged list of people?


JL:

Thanks for another workable solution.  You are very generous with 
your guidance.


Cathy Vallevieni
Orange County, CA

At 09:15 AM 12/25/2008, you wrote:
Other choice.  Print your tagged lists one at a time as csv, import 
them all into a spreadsheet, sort by name (or whatever you want) and 
print from there.  It doesn't get any numbers into Legacy but it 
solves the problem of having a list.

-
JL
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Cathy Vallevieni wrote:


I didn't write the sentence clearly enough.  I meant to say I 
wanted to print a list of all individuals in my database and that 
list would contain the User ID field so anyone looking at the books 
rather than the computer could quickly see in which Family Book 
that person's paper documents are located.  Regardless of printing 
the list, I still need the Family identifier in the User ID field 
so I can see on the computer what Family line an individual belongs 
to in order to file and retrieve their paper documents.


Thanks for the response to my question.  I'll see if anyone chimes 
in with the magic answer.  If not, it'll be a few hours of manual 
entries (I guess I could just add the MRIN number at the same time 
and start with the individuals that I do have documents for).


Cathy Vallevieni
Orange County, CA

At 10:56 PM 12/24/2008, you wrote:
I don't think Legacy has that capacity.  Every once in awhile I'm 
looking for batch-processing and then I remember, that's in my 
graphics software, not Legacy.  But there are some on this list 
who do fancier things with databases behind the scenes.  Here's 
hoping one of them shows up.


You could still print a list for each tagged group.  Why does it 
have to be a list from the User ID field?

-
JL
JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists
http://www.jgen.ws/jlog

Cathy Vallevieni wrote:


I want to put the same piece of information in the User ID field 
for a tagged list of people, all at one time (not doing it one by one).

Does anyone know how to do this or that it cannot be done?

In case someone has a better idea:  I am setting up a new filing 
system for hard copy (paper) documents and have decided to create 
family books for each of my grandparents (using the MRIN 
system).  I want to use the User ID field to note in which book 
that person's documents are filed.  Eventually I may (one-by-one) 
add their MRIN number so I will have a permanent record of the 
filing system I am using in case the MRIN numbers get messed up 
or have to be changed some time in the future.  In the meantime, 
I'd be thrilled just to get the book reference input to the 
User ID field so I can print a list with this field to know in 
which book to look for the documents.


Thank you.

And Happy Holidays to All!

Cathy Vallevieni
Orange County, CA




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Re: [LegacyUG] Is there a way to bulk fill in the User ID field for a tagged list of people?


Dennis  Jenny:

My original message said my sole purpose was to record the Family 
Code and Dennis' suggestion would have been perfect.  Then, as my 
thought process evolved, I realized it would make sense to also use 
the User ID field to record the exact location within the book 
(MRIN).  That aha moment occurred between my first posting and 
receiving Dennis' response.


Again, thanks to both of you for all of your advice.

Cathy Vallevieni
Orange County, CA


At 10:47 AM 12/25/2008, you wrote:

Dennis M. Kowallek wrote
Won't you end up with text+rin in the UserID field then? I'm not 
sure the OP wants the rin part.
Yes you would, but in the OP's case does it matter?  The important 
thing is to distinguish one set of people from another and it is the 
text part of the UserID which would be the distinguishing factor.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Is there a way to bulk fill in the User ID field for a tagged list of people?


JLB and Jenny:

A couple more thoughts on using the color-code for the 4 grandparents:

1)  On the computer, the color codes don't show except for the direct 
ancestors and I may have documents for great aunts, etc. that are not 
direct ancestors.
2)  It doesn't work for my husband's 4 grandparent lines that I am 
also researching (for my kids and grandkids).


Just in case someone else is considering using the color coding on 
the computer.


Thanks.

Cathy Vallevieni
Orange County, CA

At 10:46 AM 12/25/2008, you wrote:

JLB wrote
The only thing I can think of that's built into Legacy for marking 
lines is the color-coding for the 4 grandparents.  Could you work 
something with this instead?


That's a very good suggestion.  I actually use colour-coding for my 
files.  I use the colour coding in Legacy for the 4 lines of my 
grandparents (black, yellow, blue and green as it happens) and I 
have all my Census sheets in matching coloured binders and all my 
BMD info in matching coloured binders.  The rest of my Source 
material is not actually colour-coded, but is all in red binders; it 
is not filed according to lines or individuals but according to 
type: Correspondence, Newspapers etc, Documents and so on.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Is there a way to bulk fill in the User ID field for a tagged list of people?


JL:

Thank you.  I previously read an on-line document describing your 
system (probably something you wrote).  I've been afraid to change 
all the MRINs but doing it as I come across a family that has 
documents feels easier.   This still doesn't solve the problem that 
occurs if the MRINs get screwed up or have to be changed (as has been 
ominously discussed several times in the past).  Although, I don't 
think I've heard of anyone experiencing that.  This is why I decided 
to use the User ID field which hopefully will never need to be 
changed for any maintenance, corruption or other issue.


In response to your previous response . . . Yep, it's Christmas, and 
shoveling out your car doesn't sound like the best way to spend 
it.  We have nurses and police in our family who are working today so 
did our Christmas yesterday.  Today has actually been a great day 
without interruptions (husband is glued to the Law and Order 
marathon on TV) to work on genealogy but we are leaving soon to go to 
the movies/dinner with friends so I'll grudgingly have to tear myself 
away from the computer.


Cathy Vallevieni
Orange County, CA

At 12:55 PM 12/25/2008, you wrote:

Cathy V.,

It's not necessary to use the User ID field at all to accomplish a 
list and a 'quick view'.  I was so focused by your focus, I missed 
the bigger picture.  I sort my MRIN's by father's side and mother's 
side, but the same principals would apply to splitting by 4 
grandparents.  I use MRIN 1-4999 for my father's side although 
that's only theoretical.  In practice the MRIN's presently in use 
(ie. with related documents) go up to about 650.  My mother's side 
starts at 5000.  At a glance I can see what side of the family I'm on.

For four grandparents it could work something like this:
1-1999 grandparent 1
2000-3999 grandparent 2
4000-5999 grandparent 3
6000-7999 grandparent 4

I've only renumbered the MRIN's I have documents for and do that as 
I go, not ahead of time.  That means I ignore anything where the 
numbers I see are outside where I know my Source Library has gotten to.


An alternate place to put MRIN's for backup is in the Marriage User ID fields.
-
JL
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JLB wrote:


Not really. Besides shoveling my car out of a snowbank, my 
schedule's free today.  Oh, right, it's Christmas.


I use the MRIN filing system myself so I'm interested in the extra 
dimension you're adding to it.  As far as numbering, you could 
split your grandparent's lines by number and be able to identify 
them that way.  Say MRIN's starting with 1, 2, 3 or 4.  Depending 
how far you are into it with your related documents and how much 
trouble it would be to 'start over'.


Dennis K signed his email with 'Legacy Tools' so I assume that's 
public info.  There's something there that would help you with at 
least one aspect of what you're trying to do.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Is there a way to bulk fill in the User ID field for a tagged list of people?