Re: OT: Help with simple Linux maintenance
I have had to fake the entire add/remove software for Cellcom cellular modem with a tech support until I broke and just asked for the default init strings. This was funny. I was removing the drivers through the control panel and through 'add-remove software', rebooting and then reinstalling the drivers for my Sierra modem. Actually, I ejected the PCMCIA card and rmmod'ed the drivers, and then put the card back in. And they say Windows is more comfortable... :-/ Just needed init strings so I will not go through the WAP connection. Waste of money and capabilities. Ez Dotan Cohen wrote: I'm not sure I agree with your claim about old Actcom's staff. I know most of them (except one, I think) were not hired by Bezeq Int. Really? They assured me that the staff stayed, and I have gotten L-word help when I needed it. Netvision would not help me when I couldn't tell the nice young idiot on the phone which version of Windows Ubuntu is. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: OT: Help with simple Linux maintenance
I'm not sure I agree with your claim about old Actcom's staff. I know most of them (except one, I think) were not hired by Bezeq Int. Gal - about your friend - you could try this. Might help you. http://run.tournament.org.il/cables-connection-in-israel-for-linux/ Ez Dotan Cohen wrote: A friend of mine is looking for basic Linux support at the Safed area. It is hard for me to drive there for personal reasons. She has a Linux laptop fully functional with Kbuntu 9.04. It is connected via Ethernet to a cable modem. The cable modem is working and the computer receives a cable IP . She has a Netvision account and the connect script was tested with a cable modem at my place and it worked. The script also worked when every command is cut, paste and executed in a root shell. But, running the script with sudo yield nothing. She is willing to pay for your time if you can get the script to work an be on call when events like this pop up. Please answer to me directly and not to the mailing list. Thank You, Gal She shouldn't have to pay someone. Either a Netvision tech should help her, or she should move to Bezeq Beinleumi. I know, I know, about both companies' reputations, I have been a Netvision customer since 2001 and Bezeq Beinleumi was once considered terrible. Today, Bezeq Beinleumi gives great Linux support (they have the old Actcom staff) and Netvision are thieves who want our money, not our business. They deserve neither. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Internet Customer Service
Hi. Almost not entirely off-topic, I would like to show you the Cables/L2TP configuration script. Currently it fits only Ubuntu Linux, but would support further Linux distros, as soon as I get some feedback from users. I want to bring this configurator to your attention, as it should do the following: 1. Ease the L2TP configuration step for technically capable Linux users (they could have done that themselves, but it saves time) 2. Allow non-technical Linux users, or people who are members of the general public (and they can have Internet connection, and Linux, right?) to connect to Cables in Israel. My dream for this script is for it to be available from HOT site for the benefit of all Linux cable users. I need more testers. I don't think that it works fine for me is, by any means, sufficient. http://run.tournament.org.il/cables-connection-in-israel-for-linux/ Feel free to comment in the page directly, or post here (although I tend to check this mailing list less often...) Thanks! Ez Kfir Lavi wrote: Hi, I found that even with Bezeq Beinleumi, which were giving non dialer account, I needed to spend 3 days barking on Hot and them. Hope I will have your experience next time. Kfir On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 12:00 PM, sammy ominsky s...@avoidant.org wrote: Hi all, First, apologies to those on the other lists I'm posting this to. I'm so excited I had to tell everyone :) It appears that someone somewhere is listening to what we need, and doing something about it. This morning I had a local customer who is not technically inclined enough to set up their own VoIP router, so I went over there to do it for them. They are an older couple with an older PC and no real idea how it all works. Their adult son had set them up and is out of the country at the moment. So I went there, together we phoned their ISP, 012, to tell them we were installing a new router. The tech on their end said to set the router to Obtain IP address automatically, and call HOT with the confirmation number they gave us, in order to change to an account that doesn't need a dialer. We phoned HOT, gave them the confirmation number, and it just worked. This is a HUGE change from a few years ago, when I had to call and explain to the customer service rep what I wanted to do, who couldn't imagine why anyone would need an account without a dialer. Then I had to wait a week for HOT to set up MPLS, and spend hours and hours on the phone with level after level of customer support and technicians to make sure it actually got done. Israel has entered the modern age! Yay! I realize this isn't directly linux-related, but it's certainly relevant to those of us not running windows and our ability to get what we need from the service providers who've locked us out in the past. --sambo ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Connecting to the Internet via Bluetooth and Orange (Partner) Cellular Network
Hi.
I have documented the process of making this setup work a while back.
http://run.tournament.org.il/dial-up-in-israel-through-orange-3g/
There are several links from there to an advanced (and somewhat better)
method of connecting. All methods relay on this one.
Ez
Shay Ohayon wrote:
http://i-nz.net/2008/09/18/nokia-e71-as-a-usb-or-bluetooth-3g-data-modem-on-linux/
On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 6:22 PM, Amichai Rotman amic...@iglu.org.il wrote:
Sorry - no go...
Only Mass Storage mode works. Nothing happens on other modes.
I have a Nokia E71, which has a special USB mode - Connect PC to web -
which, on a Windows PC, would bring up a virtual CD-ROM containg the
GSM Modem driver to be installed in Windows...
Is there a config file somewhere I should edit so my phone gets recognized?
I manually added Orange as a Mobile Broadband network - but I can't
find the Connect button anywhere...
Any ides?
Thanks!
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On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 18:03, Nitzan Brumer nitz...@gmail.com wrote:
when you plug your phone you should chose pc suite, ubuntu will alert
about new cellular network. choose Orange from the list.
than, right click on the connection manager and choose edit connections,
there, go to the mobile broadband tab and edit your connection.
phone: *99#
username : leave blank
password: leave blank
APN: I don't remember if its internetg or uinternet but its one of thous.
On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 4:59 PM, Amichai Rotman amic...@iglu.org.il wrote:
Thanks guys, for that.
I agree it isn't a good idea to use the Bluetooth method...
Can you tell me what do I have to do to make this work with the USB cable?
Thanks!
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On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 14:44, Nitzan Brumer nitz...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm using USB cable to do that, using 3g modem with BT drains a lot of
power
from the battery.
But I'm guessing that you will have to do that:
1. hcitool scan - to find your cellular Mac address
2. sdptool browse Mac_Address - check the Dialup Networking for channel
number
3. sudo gedit /etc/bluetooth/rfcomm.conf
create a new BT object:
rfcomm0 {
bind yes;
device MAC_ADDRESS;
channel CHANNEL;
comment nokia ppp;
}
well, thats the first steps, than you should try to connect to your
nokia, I
think you should select pc Suite in order to connect to the Internet.
That's what I did with 8.04 : http://n2b.org/archives/859
On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Amichai Rotman amic...@iglu.org.il
wrote:
Hello all,
I have an Asus eeePC running Ubuntu Mobile Remix (9.04).
I'd like to be able to surf the Internet using my Nokia 71's GSM modem
over Bluetooth.
I have the Mobile Broadband tab in the Network preferences, and I add
Orange.
What's the next step?
Any of you got this to work?
Thanks!
.::.
Amichai Rotman
UIN#: 6401746
Registered Linux User#: 201192 [http://counter.li.org/]
Registered Ubuntu User #12851 [http://ubuntucounter.geekosophical.net]
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Integrators of Open Source CMS system for a large project
Hi. Actually, I am not looking for the system. I am looking for a company able to deploy and modify a large-scale CMS system, including forums, backoffice, and lots of fun. This project aim is to reach a level of 100K unique visitors a day. I need a company who is able to do the following: 1. Take such a large scale project, end to end, from a technical point of view 2. Work together with the company which will design the lookfeel 3. Evaluate the amount of hardware required for this project, based on this system. 4. Supply maintenance for the years to come 5. Adept an existing CMS system to the needs of this project 6. The system must be opensource, and any modifications must be submitted back to the project. This is a large project, and I need someone serious who would not skip on me. I need this company to have a record of doing such things. This should not be a company of one person - demands of the customer. I see this, beyond the value of money-for-work, as an opportunity to show how OSS can really do the work, and in such a large scale. Please contact me directly by mail. Thanks. Etzion
Re: Rsync and databases
Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote: On Sun, 18 Mar 2007, Shachar Shemesh wrote: Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 21:32:06 +0200 From: Shachar Shemesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jonathan Ben Avraham [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Geoffrey S. Mendelson [EMAIL PROTECTED], Israel Linux Mailing list linux-il@linux.org.il Subject: Re: Rsync and databases Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote: On Sun, 18 Mar 2007, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 13:35:00 +0200 From: Geoffrey S. Mendelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Israel Linux Mailing list linux-il@linux.org.il Subject: Rsync and databases I lost the original to this thread, but I thought some comments may be usefull. First of all, rsyncing an open file is not a good idea. If the file is a database you can end up with a totaly worthless bunch of random bits. :-( If the file is closed, then RSYNC will work, but it may not work for all database systems, check before using. Rsync will definately *not* work for Oracle database files. The rsync fails on the verification stage. Use ftp instead. Sounds strange, as rsync is supposed to create an identical copy on the remote machine. Does it fail on the rsync or Oracle verification stage? Do you know why it fails? Hi Shachar, The rsync fails, on the verification stage after it transfers the file, before invoking Oracle. This is a known problem with rsync and very sparce files that are more than 10GB. Haven't looked into it for a while. Might have been fixed recently but definately not working in RHEL3. RHEL3 had well known issues with files larger than 2GB on various filesystems. This might be related. Setting Oracle to backup mode allows you to copy tables files on either method you want, rsync included. However, how does rsync handle binary changed files? Can it copy only the binary diff, or must it copy the entire file all over? Ez - yba - yba Shachar
Re: PostgresQL database on raw partition (and something about Access conversion)
Yes and no. It will be as slow as any common harddrive for write operations, but it will be extremely fast for read operations. Now, what is your expected usage profile? Ez. Amos Shapira wrote: On 21/02/07, *Ira Abramov* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting guy keren, from the post of Wed, 21 Feb: what? what a mirror is as _slow_ as the _slower_ disk. an I/O request to the mirror, gets a response only after its clones were written into both legs of the mirror - not as soon as one was written. I once did some benchmarks for a client and showed that even a mirror of three disks (yes, every sector written 3 times) the write time penelty was extremely small, however reading speed jumped practically in a Yes but these were all practically identical disks - Guy's response was about my idea to mirror a RAM disk with a regular magnetic media disk, which would mean that that this volume will be as slow as the magnetic media, so loosing the advantage of investing in a RAM disk. Cheers, --Amos
Re: basic iSCSI configuration refuses to work :-(
I didn't say Linux-HA is perfect. It is not. Other cluster solutions are far superior, such as MC ServiceGuard, VCS, etc. However, my meaning was that RH Cluster sux, and is probably one of the worst HA clusters I have had the pleasure of using. Ez. guy keren wrote: On Mon, 21 Aug 2006, Ez-Aton wrote: RH Cluster is a bad joke. linux-ha is also not so good (e.g. it cannot recover from loss of access to external disks). I have used various HA solutions, including VCS, SunCluster, HACMP, and even MSCS, and without a doubt, RH Cluster sux. It lacks features, and its main defensemechanism against split-brain is "Shoot the Other in the Head" via its UPS, it's Fibre link, or the likes (they call if "Fence"). Instead of better logic (how to detect split-brain? How to prevent it?), they use brute-force in a way I didn't like. there is no theoretical solution to a real "split brains" situation. most clustering software use some sort of SCSI reservation to prevent this - but then, if the split is complete - there'll not be proper access to the disks anyway (and in a real HA system, you have two sets of disks - so there can be a split between them as well). In my simple tests (used HTTPD as a resource) the cluster was unable to recover from a simple "pkill httpd" on the active node, and completely flunked my tests. I would recommend you check Linux-HA. It is looking OK, seems adjustable to your needs, and would probably work better. It is a bit more complicated to setup (although it's not too complicated), but it can be controlled via simple scripts, which can probably do what you wanted it to do. albeit linux-ha being better - it is too problematic (and uses the same STONITH method during split-brains - and ofcourse STONITH can't work when there is a real communications problem between the two servers). note that there are some commercial cluster software for linux, which looks far better, features-wide, when compared to redhat cluster or to linux-HA. Ez. Ira Abramov wrote: Quoting Vitaly Karasik, from the post of Sun, 20 Aug: so, is there a config error here, or should I dump the whole iSCSI concept? is there a way to install a red-hat cluster of three CENTOS3 machines with no common storage? I just need IP addresses and processes moving around between the nodes, the application vendor ONLY supports Red Hat 3 and its clustering, but won't supply instructions or recommended procedures. aggh! As far as I remember, RHEL3 Cluster Manager cannot work without shared storage anddoesn't support iSCSI device as a shared storage (at least, RH doesn't promise that this configuration will work stable) it works just fine. RHEL Cluster with two common raw devices for the quorum, I didn't bother setting up GFS atthe end, since it was not important. I was very disappointed from the RH cluster manager though. all it does it move a list of services without dependency on eachother. it's quite a lot but it's missing some needed features, like defining a logical link or block - service A and B must migrate to new nodes together, but not to one that already runs service C for instance. nope, I can only define to which nodes each service migrates and that's it. For instance, y client wanted a very simple case where three machines run two services. if any of the three machines fails, the other two take over the two services that need to run, but I can't have both services migrating to the same node, and now I cannot prevent this using this tool, I'll have to make funny improvizations in the startup files to get it to "fail" for the cluster manager and force it to migrate it further to another node if this one is busy. this is an ugly kludge, and the only "right" solutiong, per RHEL, is to have 4 rather than 3 machines, each pair takes care of one service and that it. rediculous :-(
Re: basic iSCSI configuration refuses to work :-(
RH Cluster is a bad joke. I have used various HA solutions, including VCS, SunCluster, HACMP, and even MSCS, and without a doubt, RH Cluster sux. It lacks features, and its main defense mechanism against split-brain is "Shoot the Other in the Head" via its UPS, it's Fibre link, or the likes (they call if "Fence"). Instead of better logic (how to detect split-brain? How to prevent it?), they use brute-force in a way I didn't like. In my simple tests (used HTTPD as a resource) the cluster was unable to recover from a simple "pkill httpd" on the active node, and completely flunked my tests. I would recommend you check Linux-HA. It is looking OK, seems adjustable to your needs, and would probably work better. It is a bit more complicated to setup (although it's not too complicated), but it can be controlled via simple scripts, which can probably do what you wanted it to do. Ez. Ira Abramov wrote: Quoting Vitaly Karasik, from the post of Sun, 20 Aug: so, is there a config error here, or should I dump the whole iSCSI concept? is there a way to install a red-hat cluster of three CENTOS3 machines with no common storage? I just need IP addresses and processes moving around between the nodes, the application vendor ONLY supports Red Hat 3 and its clustering, but won't supply instructions or recommended procedures. aggh! As far as I remember, RHEL3 Cluster Manager cannot work without shared storage and doesn't support iSCSI device as a shared storage (at least, RH doesn't promise that this configuration will work stable) it works just fine. RHEL Cluster with two common raw devices for the quorum, I didn't bother setting up GFS at the end, since it was not important. I was very disappointed from the RH cluster manager though. all it does it move a list of services without dependency on eachother. it's quite a lot but it's missing some needed features, like defining a logical link or block - service A and B must migrate to new nodes together, but not to one that already runs service C for instance. nope, I can only define to which nodes each service migrates and that's it. For instance, y client wanted a very simple case where three machines run two services. if any of the three machines fails, the other two take over the two services that need to run, but I can't have both services migrating to the same node, and now I cannot prevent this using this tool, I'll have to make funny improvizations in the startup files to get it to "fail" for the cluster manager and force it to migrate it further to another node if this one is busy. this is an ugly kludge, and the only "right" solutiong, per RHEL, is to have 4 rather than 3 machines, each pair takes care of one service and that it. rediculous :-(
Re: Kernel I/O Errors
One could assume so. Bad blocks are being reported when there are bad blocks. No more, no less. It might be that the hard drive suffers from temperature problem, and starts failing only after X hours of continues work. It might be that the disk is failed right from the start, and the person with the NTFS (let me guess - KSP?) had formatted the HD a quick format. Formatting it a slow format should not leave bad blocks on the formatted data (as it cleans the bad blocks out), but should leave a report saying such and such bad blocks were found. It only takes time. Ez. ik wrote: It seems that with a new Linux destribution the problem continues ... So I guess the problem is the HD ? Ido On 6/29/06, ik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, The drive is SATA 1 (IDE with "special" cable). As far as I found, it does supported under 2.6.8 (the default kernel for debian stable in the 2.6 family). Ido On 6/29/06, Andre Bar'yudin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What kind of drive do you have? SCSI, SATA or IDE? It could be that your particular controller is not supported properly by your kernel, hence no errors under Windows... -- Andre Bar'yudin http://www.baryudin.com/ On 6/29/06, ik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Well I have this new computer, when I installed debian stable on it, I kept on getting dma_errors messages, and badblocks found some bad sectors. Now I have few questions (sorry if some of them are annoying ;)): 1. Is there any patch for the Kernel that makes this type of error messages much more friendlier (even a 3rd party project is good). 2. At the beginning the place that this computer where bought made a QA with Windows, with NTFS, but it could not find this bad sectors, so what does the Linux kernel does different to find such problems that users can not find it in Windows ? 3. There was a rummer that I/O in 2.6 should be rewritten, to make it more stable on errors, was there any such approach on the new kernels ? Thanks, Ido = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi All. Hi-Tech company in Haifa (Matam) is searching for people who can occupy the following possitions. Please redirect questions, comments, or CVs to me directly (save the list). Thanks. Ez. QA Personnel: Qualifications · Experience in software testing and QA methodology, including test execution, test design, writing of test cases and test plans. · Extensive knowledge of complex systems testing (as decentralized systems). · Academic background in Computer Science. · Knowledge in Storage topics – a meaningful advantage. · Knowledge in software development and programming – a meaningful advantage. · Familiarity with Win2K, Unix - An advantage. · Knowledge in Networking – An advantage. · Knowledge and actual experience in automated testing – An advantage. · Fluent English – Read, Write. · High level of human relations. Support Personnel: Qualifications · Extensive knowledge of complex systems testing/support (as decentralized systems). · Academic background in Computer Science. · Fluent English – Read, Write, Speak. · Experience as a system administrator - a meaningful advantage. · Ability to diagnose and analyze system, performance and network problems - a meaningful advantage. · Knowledge in Storage topics – a meaningful advantage. · Knowledge in software development and programming – a meaningful advantage. · Familiarity with Win2K, Unix - An advantage. · Knowledge in Networking – An advantage. · Experience in writing technical and customer documentation - An advantage. · High level of human relations. System Administrator: Qualifications · Extensive knowledge and experience with Windows, Exchange, AD, MSSQL. · Extensive knowledge and managing flavors of Unix systems (mainly Solaris and AIX. HP-UX and Linux – an advantage). · Diagnose and analyze system, network and performance problems. · Familiarity with TCP/IP networks, routers and switches. · Experienced with storage devices, such as NetApp, EMC, HDS, IBM. · Experienced administrating various Volume Management solutions. · Well acquainted with SAN infrastructure. · Knowledge and experience with High Availability Clusters (MSCS, VCS, Sun Cluster, HACMP) - an advantage. · Familiarity with VMware - an advantage. · Self-learner, urge to expand horizons. · Service awareness.
Re: deleting a file I can't see
While the files are still being used, the space will not be available. If you restart your syslogd service, you will reclaim the missing space. Ez. Shlomo Solomon wrote: I had what I think was a hardare problem with my TV card and ended up with huge log files that completely filled up my / partition. My only way out was to delete a 6 Gb /var/log/syslog and a 3 Gb /var/log/kernel/info from the command line. After deleting both files, df still reports that I'm using about 3 Gb more than I believe I am. Here's the output from df and du: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ df / FilesystemSize Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/sda5 12G 5.1G 6.7G 43% / [EMAIL PROTECTED] solomon]# du / -x 0 /.qt 7.9M/bin 0 /dev 28K /etc/ft/cfg snip snip snip 4.0K/ggg-hda 0 /logwatch.WV9ApJ34 4.0K/initrd 0 /logwatch.PJLkZHDq 1.8G/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] solomon]# I suspect that for some reason the 3 Gb file is still taking up space, even though I can't see it. Is it possible the inodes are still in use, and if so, how do I clean this up? Is there an easier way than booting with a rescue CD? TIA
Re: deleting a file I can't see
It could be with the way syslog writes to these files. Assuming (and this is no more than assumption) syslogd would hold /var/log/syslog open at all times, while /var/log/kernel/info would be opened only once a while (when syslogd feels like applying something to this file), the effect would look just like the one you've encountered. Notice that logrotate, if you use it, has a method adequate for each service in question (depending on the distro, of course) of closing the existing file before rotating in onwards and creating the new file. Ez. Shlomo Solomon wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ df / FilesystemSize Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/sda5 12G 5.1G 6.7G 43% / [EMAIL PROTECTED] solomon]# /etc/init.d/syslog stop Shutting down kernel logger:[ OK ] Shutting down system logger:[ OK ] [EMAIL PROTECTED] solomon]# /etc/init.d/syslog start Starting system logger: [ OK ] Starting kernel logger: [ OK ] [EMAIL PROTECTED] solomon]# df / FilesystemSize Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/sda5 12G 1.9G 9.9G 16% / [EMAIL PROTECTED] solomon]# OK - first of all, thanks - that worked. But I don't really understand why this affected only one of the two huge files I deleted. Both are used by syslog and yet the "phantom" space was equivalent to only one of them. The only thing I can think of was that after I manually deleted the files, a new /var/log/syslog was created but /var/log/kernel/info was not. On Thu, 25 May 2006 00:15, Ez-Aton wrote: While the files are still being used, the space will not be available. If you restart your syslogd service, you will reclaim the missing space. Ez. Shlomo Solomon wrote: I had what I think was a hardare problem with my TV card and ended up with huge log files that completely filled up my / partition. My only way out was to delete a 6 Gb /var/log/syslog and a 3 Gb /var/log/kernel/info from the command line. After deleting both files, df still reports that I'm using about 3 Gb more than I believe I am. Here's the output from df and du: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ df / FilesystemSize Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/sda5 12G 5.1G 6.7G 43% / [EMAIL PROTECTED] solomon]# du / -x 0 /.qt 7.9M/bin 0 /dev 28K /etc/ft/cfg snip snip snip 4.0K/ggg-hda 0 /logwatch.WV9ApJ34 4.0K/initrd 0 /logwatch.PJLkZHDq 1.8G/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] solomon]# I suspect that for some reason the 3 Gb file is still taking up space, even though I can't see it. Is it possible the inodes are still in use, and if so, how do I clean this up? Is there an easier way than booting with a rescue CD? TIA
Re: firefox friendly credit card service
A trick I've been told about, which works ok, regarding Bankhapoalim.com, is to refresh the website as soon as you login. You login, you get the menus left-to-right instead of right-to-left, and then you just refresh the page (F5, Ctrl+R, or the refresh button of Firefox). You'll see the menu loaded correctly. Ez. Leonid Podolny wrote: Uri Even-Chen wrote: Slightly off topic, but bank websites are also not compatible with Firefox. For example, Bank Hapoalim website (the only one I checked so far) is not compatible with Firefox. Unless you prefer to read Hebrew from left to right! (and that's not the only problem). >From my experience, both sites I use (www.bankhapoalim.co.il and www.americanexpress.co.il) have one huge advantage over all the other bank and credit companies' sites -- they are usable. Apart from occasional RTL problems, I can do every action the site supports and never get this frustrating "upgrade your browser, you freak" message as in Discount, for instance. So I wouldn't use the "not compatible" term, but rather "a bit buggy".
Re: Looking for Backup solutions for Linux
How about the old method of backup tape? Using LTO2 tape, you can backup enough today (based on your estimation of ~120GB per backup), adn in the future. It's not cheap, but it does the work. Ez Yaacov Fenster - System Engineering Troubleshooting and other stuff wrote: Folks - We are looking for some backup solutions for a Linux based file server. Up until now we have been burning DVD's, but as the volume of files grows that is becoming a less manageable solution. In general we are talking about amounts of up to 20Gb per backed up volume with about half a dozen volumes. Ideally we should be able to backup multiple full copies (over time) of a volume (Weekly backup for example), coupled with incremental backups of the volume (Daily backup for example). One option that comes to mind is a dedicated file server, but that means that the backups are not physically removed. On the other hand using removable disks (USB2.0/Firewire) means that we dedicate a significant storage capacity (And cost) to each backup. Ideas anyone? Thanks in advance Yaacov = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Looking for Backup solutions for Linux
Shachar Shemesh wrote: Yaacov Fenster - System Engineering Troubleshooting and other stuff wrote: Folks - In general we are talking about amounts of up to 20Gb per backed up volume with about half a dozen volumes. This is not a significant volume of data. 12 / 2 (=half a dozen) * 20GB (per volume) = 120GB I can't see any resonable priced internet line which supports such online backup. USB IDE disks I do not recommend, for their low performance, and low reliablity. There is a reason why tapes are still the most common backup solution for a certain (and above) amounts of data. Ez
Re: Looking for Backup solutions for Linux
Shachar Shemesh wrote: Ez-Aton wrote: 12 / 2 (=half a dozen) * 20GB (per volume) = 120GB You are right. I misread the original post. Don't forget that these 120GB will likely only take about 60GB (on average, YMMV, yada yada yada) of actual space on the backup medium, but I agree that it's a bigger monthly cost. I can't see any resonable priced internet line which supports such online backup. Depends on your definition of "reasonable". Mostly, it depends on "how much is it worth it to you to not have to manually take your data off-site". When we originally started to plan the backup service it was clear to me that people who want to backup 120GB of data are not my intended audience. The reality of things is that I have a lot of interest from precisely such clients. (no actual orders, but a lot of interest). For large/wealthy enough organizations, such TCP-based-method-of-moving-our-data-to-another-location, either in real-time, or daily, much like a backup (and almost anything in between) is a good method, and it solves almost every problem an organization can encounter. However, for the average place, in the smb category, in Israel, where connectivity prices for broader lines are proposterous, such an option is a nice-to-have-but-probably-too-expensive an option. They will always want to know, and then they will be so sorry they cannot afford the BW, and go for some other solution. USB IDE disks I do not recommend, for their low performance, and low reliablity. There is a reason why tapes are still the most common backup solution for a certain (and above) amounts of data. I agree that 120GB (as opposed to 20GB, as I thought before) suggest a tape solution. Still, the large up-front cost of the tape drive, coupled with the cost of each tape, make a hard disk solution seem appealing. Yes and no. Backup is all probablity. You play the game of chance, and you play it for your optimum amount of money. In a single-disk system, with no backup, there is a probablity of X that the disk might fail. There is much higher probability, Y, that some files will be deleted by accident. You add another disk, into a mirror, and you get X/1.5 that disk failure will kill your data. You add backup to the party, backing up once a week, and you make sure that you'll have a chance of X/10 that you will loose the whole data, Y/2 that some files will be erased beyond restoration, and you now add the Z factor of *how much data is lost*, which gets it all so more complicated. You backup once a day, you hardly change X, you decrease Y to be, maybe (all based on assumptions, for the matter) Y/5, and you change Z to be smaller (on a daily backup, I would expect Z/5, for the say). You add an off-site solution, and you decrease X, hardly any change in Y, and decrease Z, since you can rest assure that if you get to burn your office, you'll still have the data, to some extend. It can (and does) get more complicated, adding other letters into the pool, and it brings you, in the end, to the litte equation of less money, but lesser risk, or how much you'de pay to increase the survivability of your data. It's much like insurance, as you invest money to get better chance to gain something (your data) in case of an accident. After all this blah-blah, it's quite simple. It all depends on the size of investment the person who had the question post is to put into it. Using IDE disks, using custom kernel (if you're one of RH type systems fan) and relying on S.M.A.R.T to predict failure of disks (which happens, but it is rather rare. Usually SMART is as smart as any other prediction. And I'm sad to say I've seen so many SMART disks saying they're fine, with lots of bad sectors, head crushes, and more) has some appeal, as it is rather cheap, although risky (and we're here to decrease risks, right? That's what backup is for). If you backup during the day, you stress your system, so you would preffer to backup during night time, so you'll either have two such modules, or you backup every other night. Moreover, disks are not meant to be moved. They can be moved, but they experiance, even with head locks, etc, shorter life. Much shorter. And quoting you, Shachar - you wouldn't want the data to miss just when you need it. The alternate, more expensive, solution is a proven one. It is scalable - you get to see it in small and large orgs. You see it where industry hate to spend (you never need backup! You only need the ability to restore. Remember that. Your boss hates to pay for backup solutions, but he'll be all over you when data is missing, and you have no way to restore it). You see it where it has proven itself to be cost-effective enough solution to survive there. Alternate servers, disk containers, DVDs, mobile disks - none has been spread as much as backup tapes. Some other soltions are better for a specific custom environments, but most p
Re: [OFF TOPIC] Wiring up home network
I would second that. Check MPG compression rate, and you'll get the details as to the transfer rate required. 1Gb/s is overkill for home usage, especially when home computers still tend to be limited by the PCI b/w, which enforces a sum of up to 133MB/s for all PCI interfaces. It means that if you copy from a 1Gb/s network (assuming you would get a full 100MB/s), you would write them down to the disk at a speed of 33MB/s total, which is rather slow, comparing to todays transfer rates. Moreover, your sound and USB would stutter at the time of this specific transfer. No need for 1Gb/s at home. Ez Ehud Karni wrote: On Sun, 25 Sep 2005 14:20:56 +0100, Baruch Even [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you intend to have the storage in one machine and view a movie on another having 1Gbps network would help. It's not critical but it will help. That is a gross exaggeration. The typical movie is just about 1Mbit/s and even when I had just a 10 Mbit hub, my daughters view movies over my home net without any glitches. Ehud. -- Ehud Karni Tel: +972-3-7966-561 /"\ Mivtach - Simon Fax: +972-3-7966-667 \ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign Insurance agencies (USA) voice mail and X Against HTML Mail http://www.mvs.co.il FAX: 1-815-5509341 / \ GnuPG: 98EA398D http://www.keyserver.net/Better Safe Than Sorry = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Old laptop is firewall, spindown the disk?
Use Laptop-mode. You can set it all there. Ez. David Harel wrote: Do you know if noflushd will eventually spin the disk up again if cache becomes full? Yedidyah Bar-David wrote: On Mon, Sep 19, 2005 at 03:25:59PM +0300, David Harel wrote: Hi, I have this old laptop I turned into a firewall. It is only doing IP forwarding (NAT, MASQUERADING or whatever it takes) using iptables. I have 256MB ram on it. My idea is to have the disk spin down unless it is needed. Any idea? Mount root with noatime. Google for noflushd. Stop all unnecessary daemons. Good luck,
Re: Installing CentOs from image files?
In this regard, DVD images and CD images are similar. The installation proccess mounts using the loop device the cd/dvd image, and installes directly from it. No difference. Ez. Amos Shapira wrote: Hello, I've downloaded CentOs 4 DVD image, planning to burn one DVD instead of shauffling 4 CD's but then I see in the instructions that it is possible to install from the CD images directly without burning them to a media. What I CAN'T find an answer for is whether it is possible to install from the DVD image without burning it to media - is it? Also - has anyone got around to run CentOs under Xen under Debian? Thanks, --Amos To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Identify I/O bound process.
Usually I/O bound proccesses would have the flag D when viewed using either `ps` or `top`. The D is for "Delayed", which means the proccess waites for something else. As CPUs today are very strong, and disk I/O has rather unchanged during the last few years, delayed proccesses wait, almost always, to I/O. Ez. David Harel wrote: Hi, Using the top command I can easily identify CPU bound processes however many times the slowness of the machine is due to I/O load and not CPU. Using the command "iostat" is not enough to identify the process that does all that trouble.
Re: Bluetooth
The problem was not with the distance, but with the frequencies. BT used frequencies previously used by IDF, so it was illegal (and distance). Now these freqs are open for BT devices, which, in turn, can reach 100M. Actually, the 10M reach up to 5-7M without disturbances, so I tend to believe the 100M gets to be shorter than that. Ez. Shlomo Solomon wrote: On Sunday 17 July 2005 10:31, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: No. There are three "bands" that bluetooth uses. The first is for "local" communication such as between your headset and a phone on your belt. Range is about one meter. This band is legal in Israel. The next two bands, designed for connection to you phone and a computer with a 2-3 meter range and all the computers in a room, are not legal to use, import or sell in Israel. Thanks for your reply, but now I'm confused. What are all the dongles being sold in stores? I realize that there may be some stores selling these things illegally, as you say. But I doubt that large chains like BUG and Office Depot would sell illegal devices. Also, a quick search on ZAP shows 133 devices available. Are they all illegal? BTW - some of the dongles on ZAP claim to have 100 meter range. What's that all about? Another problem is that bluetooth was designed like Sendmail. The concept of people using it to attack your system, steal bandwidth for kidde porn and spam, etc was not in the designer's minds. There is no security in current bluetooth implementations. OK - that I know. But with such a short range, I don't see a real security problem using one to sync my PALM in my home. After all, if the range is only 3 meters, the potential hacker would have to be in the same room as me. And, of course, I'd remove the dongle when not in use ;-)
Re: Bluetooth
Every BT USB dongle I've touched (so far two. of which one is the one Cellcom sells) worked flawlessly under Linux. never had problems using BT. My tip - get the cheepest one. They're all the same. Ez. Shlomo Solomon wrote: On Sunday 17 July 2005 13:27, Ez-Aton wrote: The problem was not with the distance, but with the frequencies. BT used frequencies previously used by IDF, so it was illegal (and distance). Now these freqs are open for BT devices, which, in turn, can reach 100M. I don't want to start a war, but who's right, you or Geoffrey S. Mendelson who wrote that it's illegal? And if it is legal, I'm back to my original questions - mainly, can anyone recommend a dongle that is known to work in Israel. Actually, the 10M reach up to 5-7M without disturbances, so I tend to believe the 100M gets to be shorter than that. I don't really care about the distance since as I say, it would be used for hotsyncing at home and 1 or 2 meters is good enough. As I already wrote, at a very short range, I don't see a security problem because the potential hacker would have to be in the room with me. -- Shlomo Solomon http://the-solomons.net Sent by KMail 1.7.1 (KDE 3.2.3) on LINUX Mandrake 10.1 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bluetooth
Maybe, but until IDF released these freqs, so that civilians could use them for BT, they were not allowed. Today the 900Mhz phones are legal as well, and are being sold, as far as I know, by Bezeq themselves, as part of their digital phones. 802.11a/b/g have limitations, both regarding freqs, and power, and they are being kept (the home user has no need to know that x and y channels are blocked, but in order to import these devices to IL, you need to block them, unless you're trying to pirately bring them). Anyhow, if Cellcom sells these dongles, they are ok. They're the last to rist illegal radio-related actions. Ez. Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: On Sun, Jul 17, 2005 at 12:38:03PM +0300, Shlomo Solomon wrote: Thanks for your reply, but now I'm confused. What are all the dongles being sold in stores? I realize that there may be some stores selling these things illegally, as you say. But I doubt that large chains like BUG and Office Depot would sell illegal devices. Also, a quick search on ZAP shows 133 devices available. Are they all illegal? Some may be. For example 900mHz phones are illegal to own, import or use in Israel. Someone gave me a very nice GE one that had a dead battery. I was going to toss it until I noticed it had a sticker from a large importer of cordless phones in Talpiot on it. I figure if I ever get caught, I'll just point to the sitcker and play stupid. Another case I know of is some 430mHz handheld ham radios that were imported and sold by a company in the center of the country. They were sold via newspaper ads claiming them to be 10,000 channel CB walkie-talkies. Eventualy hams complained and the ministry of communicatons closed them down. However they were not required to contact the buyers and get the radios back if they were not licensed. POSSESSOION of the radios without a license is illegal, but no one seemed to really care. WiFi is in a similar state. By law you are limited to channels 4-8 (of 1-14) and 100mW RADIATED power. That means if you have an antenna that increases the signal by being more effiecient you must reduce the power of the transmitter an equal amount or use a long feedline that looses some of the signal. Yet I have never seen any ads that mentioned this when they sell gain antennas or any notes included with WiFi cards or hubs, except from 3COM that mention the channel limitation. Bluetooth and WiFi are different from the others in someways. The frequencies that are in the forbidden channels are used heavily by the IDF. 100mW signal will probably not interfere with their much more powerfull equipment but if it does expect a not very friendly visit from the IDF. I often find that IDF air to ground radar wipes out my WiFi network. :-) BTW - some of the dongles on ZAP claim to have 100 meter range. What's that all about? 100 meter range. In labratory conditions. But then there was the time my Orange cell phone tried to roam onto a Lebanese network. It had detected the signal and decided it was stronger than Orange's. I was on a bus on the Jerusalem Tel-Aviv highway at the time. OK - that I know. But with such a short range, I don't see a real security problem using one to sync my PALM in my home. After all, if the range is only 3 meters, the potential hacker would have to be in the same room as me. And, of course, I'd remove the dongle when not in use ;-) Sure, but wouldn't a USB cable be a better bet? A lot cheaper, no radiation, no signal to jam (2.4gHz cordless phones are notorious for this), no network to hack, etc. Geoff.
Re: I screwed up :-(
Do not over react. Many computers (even some running Linux) are connected to the Internet, and are not being hacked. If your system is up-to-date, and your usernames/passwords were resonably complicated, most likely you're ok. Moreover, if you know which services were meant to run on your computer, you can use netstat -anp to track any service which was not defined by you. You can check your logs (/var/log/syslog on MDK) to track any login attempt (and also any successful one!) and using your /var/log/secure you can cross check it. As the book says: Don't Panik. Ez shlomo Solomon wrote: I'm sending this again because for some reason LISTAR rejected it saying I'm not subscribed (although I am). Due to a stupid error, my machine was running without a firewall for several hours. After I corrected the error, I checked the logs and I see that (as usual), my FW is rejecting about 200 packets an hour. Obviously, this means that these packets were not being rejected for several hours and, as far as I know, I have no way of knowing if any malicious packets got through (although hopefully most of the **attacks** are meant for Windows). What would be the best way to assess if any damage was done? Since all my software was installed from RPMs (the MDK install, updates and a few that I downloaded from various places), would running rpm --verify provide reliable information? Or is there something else I should try? I guess I should have set-up tripwire or something similar a long time ago :-(
Re: I screwed up :-(
I've been hacked few years ago, as well, during a three hours FTP misconfiguration (the days where wu-ftpd had his own little security holes with anon users). I was proven to be hackable at the time. However, having default settings in nowdays distributions, on a need-to-run basis, well up-to-date system, and with complicated enough passwords (like not having your root password 123456, or root or the likes), should prove resistful enough to spontanious attacks and the avarage "seek-a-hole" script kiddie. Ez. Amos Shapira wrote: On 5/18/05, Lior Kesos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd run chkrootkit just to be on the same side but relax as well trusting the statistics that say that most of the abuse going around in the networks is windows related. Lior I don't think of myself as the paranoid kind but many many years ago I used to think "who's going to be interested in my server" until I was painfully proven wrong. He is right to be concerned. Even if the chances that he was hacked during these few hours are lower because he's not running Windows they are still not zero and I'd advise him to lookup ways to check his system as much as he can, just the way he does already. As for *how* to do this - others (including Lior) game good practical advise. Cheers, --Amos To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: weirdest problem ticket opened today.
It's not a contest I want to win in. It happened once, and the backups were one week old. Yep. Bad luck. Ez. Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: On Wed, Apr 20, 2005 at 09:41:06AM +0300, Arik Baratz wrote: AAARG! NOW I know what happened to my f-ing files on that server! Your backups were NOT up to date enough!!! *ROTFL* EZ, you win :-) Cheers, Muli
Re: Looking for Progress DBA
It seems a clarification is required. Proggress Database is *not* postresql. It is a product, closed source, for *nix and windows, which can be found in http://www.progress.com . The line of the products (nowdays) are called OpenEdge. If anyone here has any experiance with this DB engine, and knows how to maintain/disaster recover/setup/etc. it, please contact me. We do not look for non-progress oriented DBAs, nor HP-UX Sysadmins, but a Progress DBA, better with experiance on HP-UX (which is quite uncommon in IL). Thanks! Ez. Ez-Aton wrote: Hi all. In the company I'm working at, we're looking for a short notice freelancer / outsourcer Progress DBA, prefferably, experianced with HP-UX. If you are, or you know anyone who is an experianced Progress DBA, with experiance (proven) working on HP-UX, troubleshooting Progress, restoring DBs, building any complicated scenarios, please contact me ASAP. Thanks! Etzion
Looking for Progress DBA
Hi all. In the company I'm working at, we're looking for a short notice freelancer / outsourcer Progress DBA, prefferably, experianced with HP-UX. If you are, or you know anyone who is an experianced Progress DBA, with experiance (proven) working on HP-UX, troubleshooting Progress, restoring DBs, building any complicated scenarios, please contact me ASAP. Thanks! Etzion
Re: Linux, Raid and how do I know the speed
You could use measurement tools, for example: dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/null and in the meanwhile, measure the speed using iostat: iostat -x /dev/sda -kt 5 (-x device -Kilobyte -refresh every 5 seconds) The stats in /proc show what's the bus speed, which is nice, but not very usefull (you know your max speed). Ez. Michael Ben-Nes wrote: Hi All I use raid 1 with: Mylex AcceleRadi 170 that support U160 One HD is IBM 18GB U160 the second HD is Maxtor 36 GB U320. Under proc i read: Wide Synchronous at 40 MB/sec How do i know if they work at their max rate ( 160 ) ? [EMAIL PROTECTED] c0]# cat current_status * DAC960 RAID Driver Version 2.4.11 of 11 October 2001 * Copyright 1998-2001 by Leonard N. Zubkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Configuring Mylex AcceleRAID 170 PCI RAID Controller Firmware Version: 6.00-01, Channels: 1, Memory Size: 32MB PCI Bus: 2, Device: 13, Function: 1, I/O Address: Unassigned PCI Address: 0xEF00 mapped at 0xF880, IRQ Channel: 12 Controller Queue Depth: 512, Maximum Blocks per Command: 2048 Driver Queue Depth: 511, Scatter/Gather Limit: 128 of 257 Segments Physical Devices: 0:1 Vendor: MAXTOR Model: ATLAS10K4_36SCA Revision: DFV0 Wide Synchronous at 40 MB/sec Serial Number: B2T73CNM Disk Status: Online, 35807232 blocks 0:2 Vendor: IBM Model: DDYS-T18350M Revision: SA2A Wide Synchronous at 40 MB/sec Serial Number: UED29146 Disk Status: Online, 35807232 blocks 0:7 Vendor: MYLEX Model: AcceleRAID 170 Revision: 0600 Wide Synchronous at 160 MB/sec Serial Number: Logical Drives: /dev/rd/c0d0: RAID-1, Online, 35807232 blocks Logical Device Initialized, BIOS Geometry: 255/63 Stripe Size: 64KB, Segment Size: 8KB Read Cache Disabled, Write Cache Disabled No Rebuild or Consistency Check in Progress Bye
Re: ReiserFS over MD?
Well... Ira Abramov wrote: howdie folks, me again... I have a new server to install here, it's a modern board with an adaptec sata RAID that is not seen by a vanilla Debian kernel. I decided to stick to stock kernels to simplify administration and therefore disabled the RAID, got the two disks to show as SATA again (hde and hdg) and went on to partition them for my needs. I was told the 2.6 kernels support partitioning an MD device but this does not seem to work right in the debian-installer, so I'm building two partitions for each final partition, making individual MD-devices and all. this DOES free me from pre-defining the entire space as raid1. I can have swap partitions without RAID and the backup directory as RAID0 instead of RAID1 for instance. questions - 1. Is that the best methodology to follow? any other recommendations? I would have recommended using raid0, but once upon a time, when a disk crushed, and I lost 80 gigs of data (these were the days when 40 gigs were large disks), I saw, or better - felt the negative results. With modern disks, throughput of above 40 MB/s, using raid0 sounds bad. If you want to enjoy the whole space, maybe using it under LVM, in contecant (if I spell it correctly. Can't say the word), where a loss of one disk means lots of lost data, but not _all_ of it, might be better idea. Leave swap out of raids. You will suffer too much overhead if/when putting it in. 2. Am I risking anything by installing reiser3 (kernel 2.6.8) on an MD device? Should be no reason. your insights will be of great value! Thanks, Ira. Ez.
Re: ReiserFS over MD?
I would never use raid0 on a production system. Just not worth it. However, both home system and raid1 are another thing. BTW - You cannot boot from a raid0 partition. You need to have your /boot on a non-striping raid (that is, none, or raid1). Ez./ Ira Abramov wrote: Quoting Ez-Aton, from the post of Mon, 20 Dec: as raid1. I can have swap partitions without RAID and the backup directory as RAID0 instead of RAID1 for instance. questions - 1. Is that the best methodology to follow? any other recommendations? I would have recommended using raid0, but once upon a time, when a disk crushed, and I lost 80 gigs of data (these were the days when 40 gigs were large disks), I saw, or better - felt the negative results. that's why I use that for the backup. I stage a backup of the site on the RAID0 space, and then RSYNC it away from there. plus this is a temp thig. I'm pretty sure we'll use a third drive for swap and backup one day. 2. Am I risking anything by installing reiser3 (kernel 2.6.8) on an MD device? Should be no reason. thanks, that's the part that had me worried the most.
Re: [Haifux] Re: Microsoft registered a patent for switching between links via the 'Tab' key
ik wrote: Tzafrir Cohen wrote: On Sat, Sep 18, 2004 at 09:36:36PM +0300, Adir Abraham wrote: The name of the patent - Discoverability and navigation of hyperlinks via tabs Suggested patents: pressing an X box to close a window, pressing the enter key to start a new line, and even - pressing ctrl-alt-del to manually restart (if possible) after a BSOD :) The article about this is found here: http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-2978322,00.html The full document of the patent is found here: http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1Sect2=HITOFFd=PALLp=1u=/netahtml/srchnum.htmr=1f=Gl=50s1=6,785,865.WKU.OS=PN/6,785,865RS=PN/6,785,865 It appears that lynx is not a prior art to this patent, do to claim 3: 3. The method of claim 2 wherein, the visual indication is a curved focus shape. This patent is thus exteremly easy to bypass. Thus I suspect that this claim and claim 6(e) were added to bypass existing prior art. I wonder, if someone made a work with TAB (or any other patent) before Microsoft was ever existed, does it imply to this work as well ? Ido Yes, unless he can prove it in the court of law. Ez. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: new computer - Linux compatibility
nadav mavor wrote: Shlomo Solomon wrote: Hi, I hope this won't be considered off-topic since my main concern is Linux compatibility. I'm about to get a new computer, and before I make any final decision, I'd like to hear a few opinions. I've GOOGLED quite a bit on this, but I still prefer to get opinions of people I've come to depend on over the years. First, let me say that although I need a new computer, I don't really need the BEST or the FASTEST. Price is definitely a factor. I also don't play games so graphics should be good but don't have to be the GREATEST. But I do need 100% Linux compatability - motherboard, CPU and all oher components. Also, although I'm considering the 64 it Athlon, I do NOT intend to run a 64 bit version of Linux. I currently run Mandrake 10 and will stay with that (or whatever upgrades appear), but moving to a 64 bit version (I think it exists, but I'm not sure) would be more trouble than it's worth. I suspect updating or finding RPMs of new applications would be a problem - at least until 64 bit becomes mainstream. So why am I even considering the 64 bit AMD? Since I hope this computer will serve me for several years (my current machine is about 6 years old - a Pentium II 500) it may be a good idea to get the 64 bit CPU so I'll be ready when 64 bit Linux does go mainstream. And I'm quite sure that will happen before my next computer purchase - in the year 2010 ;-). I don't want to start areligious war, so maybe it would be better to answer me off the list and I'll be happy to send the list a summary of the answers I get. So here are my questions: 1 - I'd like to hear from AMD users - satisfied or unsatisfied - have you had any problems? 2 - Will running 32 bit Linux on the 64 bit Athlon be a problem? 3 - Gforce or ATI? 4 - Has anyone tried the Toshiba DVD -/+RW 8x with Linux? TIA 1 - I'd like to hear from AMD users - satisfied or unsatisfied - have you had any problems? NO 2 - Will running 32 bit Linux on the 64 bit Athlon be a problem? yes (debian 64,mandrake 10,10.1) No. You could run the 32 bit OS on this system. However, for the little fuss you will have, and the competability with the 32 bit software, why? Especially, as Nadav said, when you have a 64 bit versions of common distros. I would go for the 64 bit versions, and stick with them. Anything missing, I would recompile (which should take no time), or just use the 32bit version of it. Should work. 3 - Gforce or ATI? ATI AIW 8500 for me 4 - Has anyone tried the Toshiba DVD -/+RW 8x with Linux? no but dvd-RW is DVD-RW is DVD-rw use K3b or cdrecord = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ez. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Memory upgrade question for hardware gurus
Well, faster memory *should* work on lower speed slots, however, it doesn't always work. It's issue with the CAS latency, and it might (or might not) fit your current memory. Although it's likely your new memory will work on your board, it is more likely it will not work together with the current memory module. Even more likely that it will work, but crush randomely (which is actually the worst thing which can happen). I would not suggest mixing these modules, and if I were you, I would have tried to keep using the same type of modules, for the best results. Ez. Adir Abraham wrote: On Tue, 31 Aug 2004, Omer Zak wrote: The motherboard is of 2002 vintage (478 socket, P-4 1.7GHz) and the memory is a single PC-2100 256MB DDRAM module (PC-2100 is rated at 266MHz). My not-so-wild guess is that you have a i845 chipset, or VIA-compatible chipsets. I would like to know whether it is OK to use a 512MB PC-2700 (333MHz) module in the same system, and whether I can mix both DDRAMs (to have total of 768MB). It is OK. It will do the work. Both modules will work at their lower, agreed speed. PC2100 in this case. To be more exact, they will also synchronize at their agreed burst times (higher burst times, ofcourse). The motherboard is BioSTAR MBP4F/03/R04 (or maybe it was M8P4F or U8858). Anyway, I found a mention of U8858 but no further data. According to the U8858 booklet, which I got with the motherboard, it can use PC-1600 and PC-2100 memory modules. I just found some document about it in Biostar's archives. U8588 contains a VIA P4X266A chipset which from its name you can guess that it supports DDRs of up to 266MHz. That is PC2100 as you said. Where can I read an up-to-date introduction to those memory issues (PC-2100 vs. PC-2700 vs. 2-year old motherboards)? What would you like to know? speeds are a matter of "negotiation". If two memories talk in different speeds, the motherboard will talk with them at the common-minimum speed of the two (i.e. PC2700 chips can speak at PC2100 speeds, so they necessarily can, and actually must do so in order to have the ability to talk with PC2100 chips at their speeds - but not vice versa). However - some motherboards, are very picky regarding choosing memories with two different speeds, especially old ones. If you don't find any info about it in Google, it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. You would better put the two memory sticks and check if it works for you, and/or if you have performance drops. I'd warmly recommend you to buy a 256MB PC2700 memory stick instead of the PC2100 in order to get rid of such worries (and in order to stay a bit ahead. PC3300 is becoming a standard, and I expect that PC2700 will start to disappear in the following year). Regards, Adir. Thanks, --- Omer My own blog is at http://www.livejournal.com/users/tddpirate/ My opinions, as expressed in this E-mail message, are mine alone. They do not represent the official policy of any organization with which I may be affiliated in any way. WARNING TO SPAMMERS: at http://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Firefox, and multiple windows
Hi all.
When running Mozilla Firefox (as I do), some might discover that trying
to run another instance of it (for example, for your favorite mail
client) will pop-up the profile selection window.
After some googling, I came up with a script, attached here.
It is based on the assumption firefox resides in /usr/lib/firefox and
that you're going to call the script right from the start to run firefox.
It will open new links (from outside source) using new tab (and not new
window. I don't like new windows).
On my system, this script is located in /usr/bin
Of course, no responsibility on my behalf.
Have fun.
Ez.
#!/bin/bash
FIREFOXPATH=/usr/lib/firefox/
FIREFOXNAME=firefox
URL=${1}
FIREFOX=$FIREFOXPATH$FIREFOXNAME
if [ -x $FIREFOX ]; then
$FIREFOX -a firefox -remote ping() /dev/null
if [[ $? == 2 ]]; then
$FIREFOX -a firefox $URL
else
$FIREFOX -a firefox -remote OpenURL($URL,new-tab)
fi
fi
Re: ups and linux?
I'm using Advice UPS, and it works like a charm (poweroff the computer after reaching below certain % of power, etc.). search for a solution called Network UPS Tools (NUT), and compare the models supported by it, with the models you can purchase. I know that regarding Advice's UPSs, they are supported (not sure about the new models) even only one model is specified in NUT. If you're using RH, you could find / setup the config file in /etc/sysconfig/ups, but it's an old and limited version of NUT anyhow, so better play a little with the new version... Ez. On Thursday 22 April 2004 02:28 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm no expert but what I understand is that if you want Linux to be aware of the state of the UPS (e.g. when the mains go down the the UPS starts using its battery, and how much time is left so Linux can shut down cleanly just before the battery becomes empty) then your options might be limited. If you don't want this option (which I think is pretty crucial) then you should just look at the peek power of the UPS. Look through the archives of linux-il. I think the subject was discussed thoroughly just a few months ago, with pointers to specific UPS's which can be found in Israel and which support Linux as well. Cheers, --Amos Aaron wrote: After my 10th power off in 3 days I am seriously looking to buy a UPS. I looked in the local stores in Rechovot and saw one for 500 shekels. Is the a problem using a UPS with linux? How do I know which one to buy and if I am getting a good deal? Thanks Aaron = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Your email is protected by Mailshell -- To block spam or change delivery options: http://www.mailshell.com/control.html?a=blshp8b9gc0rxhgk_srox_llfpptvypmv y7j Wouldn't you rather have amos-sha.com as your personal domain? http://rd.mailshell.com/ad465 Earn up to $3 for each of your friends who signs up with Mailshell! http://rd.mailshell.com/sp5 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: hard drive errors - bad disk or?
Hi Nachum. Drive seek errors are caused due to either bad-sectors, or DMA usage, where DMA is either not supported, buggy, or doesn't do the job (generally, when it fails, but it is not one the previous options). I know RH do not activate DMA usage by default, due to problems similar to the one you have described. However, if you happen to get I/O error... ... sector x, it means that this sector might be faulted. Usually, bad sectors are consistent, aka, they remain bad forever, but there are two issues which might lead to a passing disk-test, or lead to a usually working system with BS reports, once a while. They are: 1) Auto repair function of the disks. They don't actually repair the BS, but they try to checksum it, and make sure the data remains valid. Working some of the time, if you happen to have a real bad sector. 2) Over-heat of the disk. This will (I have experianced such a problem in the past) cause bad-sectors look-alike errors, I/O problems, etc. You should make sure the disk(s) are not too hot to touch. Might get critical on certain days/tasks, and might lead to a real disk failure. So, to sum things up, what do we have? It's either bad-sectors, or over-heat of the disk(s), which, in turn, _would_ lead to bad sectors and dead disks. Good luck. Ez. On Tuesday 20 April 2004 10:33 am, Nachum Kanovsky wrote: Please help... I have a project with a number of mirrored disks. I mirror them by running fdisk, mkswap, mke2fs, and cp -ax to the new disk. The disks are Maxtor DiamondMax Plus 8 40GB disks. I let the BIOS autodetect them, and then I let linux do the same, so i am not giving any special parameters for the fdisk to create the partitions. I am running Debian Unstable, and using Lilo to boot. The board that we are running on is a custom made board, running with an Advantech ETX, and our own motherboard (ie none of the hard drive logic or controlling chips were done by us, but the hd cable does connect through our board to the PMC connector on the ETX). On some of the disks I get errors that make me think there is a physical problem: end_request: I/O error, dev, 03:02 (hda), sector xxx.. I have also gotten 'DriveReady SeekComplete Error' errors, but I don't have the exact error to give at the moment. I have on some of the disks ran e2fsck with a non-destructive physical check, and I have found no errors. What else can this be? Is there a more intensive way to check the disk, can this error be due to a cable? Might this be due to bad parameters when creating the partitions? I have been trying to deal with this error for almost half a year now, and I have searched the internet quite a bit, but I have not found anything which has explained this for me. Nachum Kanovsky Software Developer Mango DSP Ltd. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Work: +972 2 588 5039 Cell: +972 67 508 121 To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: hard drive errors - bad disk or?
You could change some settings using 'hdparm', such as the DMA mode (you can use UDMA66 and not UDMA100, or 133, for example). I, in person, like better WD disks. I have (and enjoy) two 80GB WD, those with the 8MB cache (faster resposes!). They cost about the same, anyhow, and they have 3 years warranty (which is better then most other disks). Lilo has nothing to do with it, as much as I know. It has nothing to do with it. Usually, dmesg does not lie. Ez. On Tuesday 20 April 2004 08:05 pm, Nachum Kanovsky wrote: First, thank you for such a quick and clear response. I have to check abou the DMA, but if it is on and causing the problems, what are my alternatives or options? I need fast disk access as my application is extrememly heavy on disk access, lots of video recording and playback. Is there a way to check if it is a disk problem, or perhaps a chipset or other thing? Patches? The disk isn't getting that hot, this can happen even during a regular maintanence boot without running the heavy application. Do lilo parameters perhaps have something to do with the problem? I am using new etx's and new disks, but I am still setting in LBA32, is that right? I am not specifying any other special parameters. I have considered asking my company to switch model disks, would this be a good idea? Does anyone know anything about this model drive? (Maxtor Diamondmax Plus 8 40 GB)? Thanx again, nachum -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ez-Aton Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 4:31 PM To: Nachum Kanovsky Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: hard drive errors - bad disk or? Hi Nachum. Drive seek errors are caused due to either bad-sectors, or DMA usage, where DMA is either not supported, buggy, or doesn't do the job (generally, when it fails, but it is not one the previous options). I know RH do not activate DMA usage by default, due to problems similar to the one you have described. However, if you happen to get I/O error... ... sector x, it means that this sector might be faulted. Usually, bad sectors are consistent, aka, they remain bad forever, but there are two issues which might lead to a passing disk-test, or lead to a usually working system with BS reports, once a while. They are: 1) Auto repair function of the disks. They don't actually repair the BS, but they try to checksum it, and make sure the data remains valid. Working some of the time, if you happen to have a real bad sector. 2) Over-heat of the disk. This will (I have experianced such a problem in the past) cause bad-sectors look-alike errors, I/O problems, etc. You should make sure the disk(s) are not too hot to touch. Might get critical on certain days/tasks, and might lead to a real disk failure. So, to sum things up, what do we have? It's either bad-sectors, or over-heat of the disk(s), which, in turn, _would_ lead to bad sectors and dead disks. Good luck. Ez. On Tuesday 20 April 2004 10:33 am, Nachum Kanovsky wrote: Please help... I have a project with a number of mirrored disks. I mirror them by running fdisk, mkswap, mke2fs, and cp -ax to the new disk. The disks are Maxtor DiamondMax Plus 8 40GB disks. I let the BIOS autodetect them, and then I let linux do the same, so i am not giving any special parameters for the fdisk to create the partitions. I am running Debian Unstable, and using Lilo to boot. The board that we are running on is a custom made board, running with an Advantech ETX, and our own motherboard (ie none of the hard drive logic or controlling chips were done by us, but the hd cable does connect through our board to the PMC connector on the ETX). On some of the disks I get errors that make me think there is a physical problem: end_request: I/O error, dev, 03:02 (hda), sector xxx.. I have also gotten 'DriveReady SeekComplete Error' errors, but I don't have the exact error to give at the moment. I have on some of the disks ran e2fsck with a non-destructive physical check, and I have found no errors. What else can this be? Is there a more intensive way to check the disk, can this error be due to a cable? Might this be due to bad parameters when creating the partitions? I have been trying to deal with this error for almost half a year now, and I have searched the internet quite a bit, but I have not found anything which has explained this for me. Nachum Kanovsky Software Developer Mango DSP Ltd. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Work: +972 2 588 5039 Cell: +972 67 508 121 To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe
[Off Topic] - Job offer
Hi list. Sorry to publish it here, but the company I work for, called Topio, is looking for both Sysadmins and QA testers. The company is a mature start-up, developing DRP solutions for the enterprises. SysAdmin requirements (in general): Aquiantance with Unix, especially Solaris, Linux, AIX HPUX Aquiantance with Windows - 2000/XP/2003 Aquiantance with LVMs (Veritas VM, AIX LVM, Windows Dynamic Disks, and in general) Aquiantance with Clustering solutions: Veritas Cluster Server, AIX HACMP, Windows Clusters Linux Clustering solutions Aquiantance with Storage Solutions - SAN/NAS, SCSI over Fibre Channel, disk management, etc. The more, the marrier. The System personnel are required to support both the production environment (developers, mail, MS Exchange, etc.) and both the QA environment (these various Unices, and Windows). The job is a dynamic one (don't expect to come with what you know, and stay that way. You learn more every day), requires fast responding times for configuration changes, mainly in the QA environment. I have no clue as to the demends regaring QA possition, but I know that Unix experiance scripting experiance will add lots of points, as well as C knowledge. If any of you find it interesting, please feel free to contact me. Please supply CV as well. Thanks for your time, and sorry for this off-topic post. Etzion Bar-Noy = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problems configuring NFS-server
What NFS versions (server/client) do you run on both the Linux machine and the FBSD? Ez. On Friday 02 April 2004 05:49 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hallo friends and list members. I have some problems configuring NFS-server. Trying to mount the server I get this : $ mount_nfs 10.0.0.8:/usr/BSD/usr mount_nfs: bad MNT RPC: RPC: Timed out The client is OpenBSD3.4 (and that's the command). Yes, I DO KNOW, this is a Linux list. But I suspect the problem is at the NFS-server which is to be on Debian (stable) . (and I've reached here after a long discussion at the BSD-il mailing list mainly with Gal Ben-Haim). ##- Some More Details: ## =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ That's what I have in my /etc/hosts.allow file: portmap: 10.200.1.2/255.0.0.0 : allow lockd:10.200.1.2/255.0.0.0 : allow mountd:10.200.1.2/255.0.0.0: allow rquotad:10.200.1.2/255.0.0.0 : allow statd:10.200.1.2/255.0.0.0 : allow That's what I have in my /etc/exports file: /usr/BSD 10.200.1.2(rw) Now, that's what I get by running rpcinfo -p to the server ip (10.0.0.8) and to the client ip (10.200.1.2): mydeb:~# rpcinfo -p 10.0.0.8 program vers proto port 102 tcp111 portmapper 102 udp111 portmapper 1000241 udp 1024 status 1000241 tcp 1024 status 132 udp 2049 nfs 1000211 udp 1037 nlockmgr 1000213 udp 1037 nlockmgr 1000214 udp 1037 nlockmgr 151 udp 1038 mountd 151 tcp 1029 mountd 152 udp 1038 mountd 152 tcp 1029 mountd mydeb:~# rpcinfo -p 10.200.1.2 program vers proto port 102 tcp111 portmapper 102 udp111 portmapper This output is the same by running from rpcinfo -p at client The client is OpenBSD3.4 but I suspect that the problem is at the server side (Debian, as I said). Thay ar both at my home LAN (If this matters...) Thanks for all who can help me to solve it... Oren Maurer http://www.meorero.org.il --- Walla! Mail, Get Your Private, Free E-mail from Walla! at: http://mail.walla.co.il = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: NFS, AFS or is there something else?
I wonder. As far as I know, AFS is no longer supported by IBM, hence, you could use OpenAFS, for better and worse, or you could search for another alternative. Not reading this whole thread, I could suggest, that as far as I know, you can find / install CodaFS clients/servers for almost any OS you can think of. I know it can be used for Linux, and I know you can use it for Win32 architectures, and as far as I know, you could use it for other Unices too, Solaris and HPUX. This is one approach to the problem. Assuming security is not your main goal, does finding the cause of the IO hangs using NFS won't be easier then changing the whole network FS layout? Assuming you do not search for the cause of the hangs, how can you be sure you won't have the same problems using any other network FS? I cant supply a conclusive answer, but I can suggest finding the cause of the hangs might serve you better then replacing the network FS layout. Ez. On Sunday 28 March 2004 11:44 pm, Noam Meltzer wrote: Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: On Sun, Mar 28, 2004 at 12:03:10AM +0200, Noam Meltzer wrote: As I understood from the AFS faq, users need to login to the local machine, and then they need to login to the AFS, get a ticket for their current session, and then they're process (and its childs) will have permissions to the AFS. This is not automatic? It can be done automatically, via having the login process go through an AFS pam module. This breaks horribly when you aren't connected to the network, i.e. laptops. Mmmm... that's good, it probably will work on linux. but what about systems like solaris and hpuke (sorry, hpux)? Also, will it work when you have daemons runnig during boot, like MQM? After all it doesn't get a password to authenticate using the PAM. what will happen in crons? for crons there's a special command to edit crons for AFS. There's also a perl AFS API, but I haven't been quite desperate enough to use it yet. What can the perl API do? Noam = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apache2-friendly web mail software?
I wasn't there. Maybe it's why my PHP works great with Apache 2.x I use RH, and all new versions (9, and FC1) are shipped with Apache 2.x and PHP, which works like a charm. Squirrellmail did the job for me, on an Apache 2.X server. Ez. On Thursday 04 March 2004 12:08 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oded Arbel wrote: 2. I've been through a lecture last January (by some Apache core member, as far as I remember) which talked about Apache2 and when asked he talked in length about how PHP's breakage prevents it from playing with Apache2's new threads model, and how the lack of PHP on Apache2 holds back Apache2's adoption. I hope you mean January 2003 ? this was more then a year ago. I would like No, 2004 (less than two months ago). And on another lecture I went to there was a PHP core team member apologising for PHP4 not working with Apache2 as it should. I can try to find the conference material for refference if there is interest. --Amos = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: partitioning
You could do it quite easilly. Use: /sbin/mkfs.vfat /dev/hd** (You should use the right letter and number for the extra partition). Afterwards, using fdisk, make this partition active. If you do so, Windows (assuming it's either XP or 2k) will reffer to it as C:, and you could install it there. Also, make sure you have a linux bootable media, so you could fix the MBR after you install windows (it will reset it). Make sure you know how to reinstall your boot loader. Should work like a charm. Windows will see the FreeDos partition as D:, and will ignore it, most of the time. If you want to make double sure it doen't write on it, you could change its type (using fdisk) to something else, and return it later to its original type. Goodluck. Ez. On Thursday 04 March 2004 11:41 pm, Aaron wrote: Hi all, I have a hard disk which has an 'extra' partition which I want to install windoze on, currently it is a reiser partition. I am looking for a program that will let me format it fat32 from within linux. I have a small dos partiton at the beginning of my harddrive, which I was reserving for freedos, but never was able to get the darn thing to boot.. I hope that this combo will give me a bootable windoze, but I am not so sure... I know that mandrake has such a utility is there something like it I can use on Fedora? Thanks Aaron = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Sparc CPU Throttling?
Not as far as I know. I know Sparcs have APM support, and it can be disabled, but I haven't seen any throttling support in Sparc yet. About how to disable APM - Check SUN documentations, and you will find it there, regarding to your OS version and your hardware. Ez. On Thursday 19 February 2004 02:58 pm, Shachar Tal wrote: Hi fellas, I am suspecting that one of our Sun Blade 1000 (UltraSparc) is throttling its CPUs down during low load periods, much like more recent living-room-heater x86's. Is this technology even available on Sparcs? If so, how do I detect (and change) it? Thanks, Shachar. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
FTP Solution
Hi People. I need to build an FTP server, with specific, untrivial setup, and would ask your help about it. I need settings per-user, non-anonymous, XFP support, and Chroot jail. Also, I need it to be very secure FTP server - no WU, whatever its capabilities are. The idea is as follows: Lets say I have four users: User1, User2, User3, AdminUser I want their directories (reffered under the user names) to reside in a tree such as this: AdminUser / -/User1 -/User2 -/User3 All users should see their home dir as the root of the filesystem. Now comes the complicated part: AdminUser can write anywhere. User1 User2 can RO, and User3 can RW, but not change/delete. I am currently using VSftpd, but it has some weird bug with IE, where, as far as I know now, IE forgets to send LIST command to the server. Reason? Unknown at the moment. I'm going to try and solve it for now, however, an alternative FTP server can be an alternative solution (if I can't solve it). Since I'm going to manage about 5 users, I see no reason to use any SQL back-end, if it's avoidable. I preffer plain text, as much as possible. Thanks! Ez = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Windows Security Model (Configuring GDM to limit user actions)
Well then, I'm just not the type. I'll elaborate. On Tuesday 10 February 2004 10:32, Oron Peled wrote: On Tuesday 10 February 2004 05:28, Ez-Aton wrote: ... starting from Windows 2000 (i don't count WinNT as a real OS anyhow), First an unrelated observation. Through the years I used to hear: Windows for Worgroups isn't real OS -- Win95 is true 32bit OS Win9X is just a graphical shell -- WinNT is modern design done by the same people who did VMS WinNT is obsolete -- W2K is the future and I'm waiting for: W2K is the old world OS -- W2K server and .Net are true revolution This isn't against you specifically Ez, every Win* user I know thinks the *previous* Windows sucks big time... isn't it weird? Not exactly. For some time now, Windows 2003 Server is at hand, and I still claim Windows 2000 to be a good product (generally speaking). Windows 2000 Server implements the AD mechanism (unlike Win2000 Pro), but it's not a kernel based part, but a module, you can run the system without (AD Maintenance mode). Personally I'll take any day my first old slackware (kernel 0.99pl14) with its FVWM (with GoodStuff config) -- it was functional, fast and stable. And now to the important subject... Although we're a Linux list, knowing our competitors is an advantage, to my knowledge, Agreed (at least by me). in AD, ... [description of ActiveDirectory relevant part] Organization of various settings in a global hierarchy is an important feature that generally eases administration. I'd like to put it in some perspective: 1. Sometimes a valid idea is designed badly -- The famous example is the Windwos Registry which had the same hierarchical organization but was designed as monolithic binary file which everyone need to access... not a pretty sight. Nowdays, Registry resides in three files, each one is a special branch or hive - System, Software, Users, and each user has his/her own registry part inside his homedir (a user.dat file in ~/) Note: the utmp/wtmp in Unix/linux present exactly the same design mistake which explains the low validity of data you find there... 2. As a counter-example you may look at Linux GConf -- basically it's the registry idea done the right way: decouple storage from interface (curret plugins are XML, but that may be change), not a single repositoty but several configurable ones (system-wide, per-user, etc.), fits nicely with the regular permission model (each user has its own gconfd, no suid access). Never did try. Can't say anything about it. 3. For site-wide hierarchical management many use LDAP. It is already integrated in the important infrastructural applications -- login, (via pam) Mail (sendmail, postfix, imap4, etc.) and more. Agree. But it's not the native way of doing things, yet. Implementing an LDAP schema is based on picking up the correct schema, while, although it reduces the choise, AD (which is based on LDAP and Kerberos) has already built-in schema. But one of your points is that this isn't integrated into every application or the kernel (god forbid :-) like AD is in Windows. I'll try to refer to this point later. It is not integrated into the kernel in Windows either. ... setup access rights to most parts of Windows settings, and applications, enforce settings ... This is a very important issue. The Linux kernel has implemented internally capability based security for quite some time. However, almost no one uses it. True. Ever asked why? I think one of the problems we have in attaching security information to the user login, is that there are many cases of non-login usage: - Someone is running a process via rsh/ssh (this isn't login). - Someone is using my DISPLAY (consuming resources). - Someone is using my disk via NFS (again,... resources). - Packets are being routed via my computer (there are no user credentials in the packets at all..) Agree. Let's combine the above points into a real-life scenario: I seat at computer A running via SSH a program on computer B (with its DISPLAY apears on A of course). The program was loaded from my NFS server C and establish a connection to a server D, and the packets are routed through router E. Now since the user activity is distributed, it's non-trivial to apply some central policy to his actions. Not exactly. You could, through a central LDAP/other directory, which Computers A, B C are to AAA agains, the rules which apply to a specific user/computer. If you're permitted to use DISPLAY on other computer, but allowed to run only X,Y Z, that's what you'll run (Computer B now). Computer A asks if it's allowed to show DISPLAY, for who and from where, Computer B checks if you're allowed to run the software you're running, your server, D, checks what are your permissions regarding NFS, quota, etc, and computer E checks the source, target, and may be given
Re: Configuring GDM to limit user actions
On the Windows side of things, starting from Windows 2000 (i don't count WinNT as a real OS anyhow), under a specific DOMAIN, you could define what actions each and every user, based on his role, group, the specific computer, or almost any other parameter, can do, and cannot do. It's called Group Policy, or GPO. Although we're a Linux list, knowing our competitors is an advantage, to my knowledge, so I'll elaborate a bit further. in AD, every item is an object, and any group of such items (Aka, one of one thousand users, computers, Domain controllers, etc.) are contained in groups called Containers. You have three default policies (which are default, and therefore, quite simplistic to begin with) which are Domain Security Policy, Domain Controller Security Policy, and Local Security Policy, which control the domain server(s) and computers in general, and inside AD Users and Computers, you could setup a Group Policy for every container, thus, enforcing predefined policies and settings on each member of this container. You could use it, as a domain administrator, of course, to force installation of a specific program(s) on client computers (which are member of this container, of course), setup access rights to most parts of Windows settings, and applications, enforce settings (I enforced Proxy settings for IE on every client computer just yesterday), and do most of whatever comes to your mind. The GPO is not a trivial issue, and it takes few days to get familiar with it, but it is a good central administration tool, and it is a powerfull one (although complicated, comparing to their Administration for the Dummies method of doing things). Not an MS lover (hell, not at all), I can say it's a great tool, and it is a very usefull one, too. Don't underestimate this you do not know. Ez. On Sunday 08 February 2004 18:58, Arik Baratz wrote: -Original Message- From: Mark Veltzer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 1. The operating system does not, per se, state which applications each user can run. If a user has running capabilities then he can launch any executable file. Even an executable file which was derived from consulting some greek all knowing oracle who can program in binary. Nope. It is definitely possible. Using group permissions, it is possible to define different levels of users who can run different applications depending on their group membership. All that's needed to do is: A. put the users in relevant groups B. restrict execute access to the binaries to the relevant groups C. prevent the users from running their own binaries, by restricting execution rights to disk space they can write into 2. The desktop may hide some buttons but this is no guaratee what so ever that the user wont be able to launch an application. You better look at buttons as fast ways of doing things and not as you can/can't separators. This is not windows we are talking about. You can limit access to the actual binaries, see my previous response. 3. No set of standard desktop applications has been certified as not allowing in some strage way to launch a shell since launching a shell is absolutely allowed in Linux (and encouraged for that matter). If your application dictates it, you can indeed restrict a user from running a shell, using the mechanism disscussed before. 4. If you take konqueror for example, it will allow you to have a shell running inside it. Konq. still needs to run the actual shell, and it runs under the UID of the launching user, so any restrictions you put on the shell will be reflected by Knoq. 5. The number of ways you could manipulate an application to launch a shell for you is so numerous that I can't really think of a large GUI application which I CANT launch a shell from by manipulating it in some way. If you limit access to the actual shell executables on your system and make sure everything the user runs is with his own privileges, you can do it. It takes work but very possible, I say 1-2 days of tinkering. 6. If this entire concept of yours is some marketing peoples idea for the users not touching our system go back to them and tell them it's a dream On the contrary, it is very possible, and I have seen it done more than once on various free-shell accounts and other places. 7. GDM is just the login application and does not control what the user sees or does not see on his desktop. The user can even login from GDM to a KDE environment. Agree. BTW: just for the record - the situation in windows is a lot worse since in most windows distributions the user has installation priveleges on the machine so he can actually halt the machine (for instance by running an installation process which removes critical files) or render the machine unbootable. In Linux he could just launch applications and not hurt anyone but himself. Quite an improvement. Actually Microsoft has enough tools to make it
Re: linux machine hangs
The fact it happens only during high CPU demand, I would suggest checking that the heatsink is connected ok. Many boards have some sort of an alarm regarding over temerature (check to make sure it's enabled in the BIOS). If they don't, the CPU just overheats, and freezes, and there's nothing you could do about it. It might be system overheat too - You should check it out. Try openning the computer case, and touching with your hand (and see if you can make it longer then 10 seconds) to the CPU heatsink. If you can (and you did it immedatley after the computer froze), it's not overheat. Let's try to see it from a different point of view - What didn't you change betwin the two computers? Ez. On Tuesday 27 January 2004 16:51, Shaul Karl wrote: On Tue, Jan 27, 2004 at 11:04:30AM +0200, Uzi Refaeli wrote: Hi all, here is something weird: I had RH9 machine PIII 700 which used to just hang while i was compiling something every thing stop responding mouse, keyboard, no movement on the screen and no disk activity - nada... I had to power down the machine and restart it. I would try sysrq first. Might have prevented the need to violently use the power switch and perhaps even to get some leads as to where the problem is. You might want to look at kernel-source/Documentation/sysrq.txt. In addition, my experience is that these sort of problems requires a lot of patient (is this the right spelling for willingness to wait more?): take a walk for a hour or two. The machine might respond to previous entries during that time. Or it might writes some useful information in the logs. In addition, can you try making an ssh or serial connection to the machine? = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Very Cool DOS Games Emulator
Maybe, but DOSEmu failed running Prince of Persia, while this dosbox did it without a glitch (and I discovered I suck big time...) Ez. On Saturday 24 January 2004 23:44, Diego Iastrubni wrote: DosEMU rocks... it has also protected mode support which DOSBOX does not. http://iglu.org.il/pub/Hebrew/diego/dosemu/dosemu-1.1.5-2.i586.rpm On Saturday 24 January 2004 22:36, Shlomi Fish wrote: See DOSBox: http://dosbox.sourceforge.net/news.php?show_news=1 It's very cool and is able to run Gobliiins flawlessly which even Win98 borks on. There's a Hebrew tutorial for it here: http://www.penguin.org.il/guides/dos_emulator/ Regards, Shlomi Fish -- Shlomi Fish[EMAIL PROTECTED] Home Page: http://t2.technion.ac.il/~shlomif/ Writing a BitKeeper replacement is probably easier at this point than getting its license changed. Matt Mackall on OFTC.net #offtopic. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Very Cool DOS Games Emulator
Cool. Prince of Persia and Dangerous Dave. Nice. Ez. On Sunday 25 January 2004 03:06, Shlomi Loubaton wrote: On Saturday 24 January 2004 22:36, Shlomi Fish wrote: See DOSBox: http://dosbox.sourceforge.net/news.php?show_news=1 It's very cool and is able to run Gobliiins flawlessly which even Win98 borks on. There's a Hebrew tutorial for it here: http://www.penguin.org.il/guides/dos_emulator/ Regards, Shlomi Fish This is old news dude . http://techst02.technion.ac.il/~shlomil/linux-snapshots/dosbox.jpg But DOSBox rocks ... indeed. Diego Iastrubni wrote: DosEMU rocks... it has also protected mode support which DOSBOX does not. http://iglu.org.il/pub/Hebrew/diego/dosemu/dosemu-1.1.5-2.i586.rpm I never managed to use DOSEmu for running old games =\ it takes too much configuration. but dosbox seem to work out of the box(out of the apt-get actually) with no special configurations, so i like it more Shlomil. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: off-topic funny joke
As old as I can remeber. I knew this one was told about windows NT3.51, when it was brand new... Ez. On Monday 19 January 2004 12:22, Ben-Nes Michael wrote: ** if you try this for real, you may damage your microwave or disk *** Recently one of my friends, a computer wizard, paid me a visit. As we were talking I mentioned that I had recently installed Windows XP on my PC. I told him how happy I was with this operating system and showed him the Windows XP CD. To my surprise he threw it into my microwave oven and turned it on. Instantly I got very upset, because the CD had become precious to me, but he said: Do not worry, it is unharmed. After a few minutes he took the CD out, gave it to me and said: Take a close look at it. To my surprise the CD was quite cold to hold and it seemed to be heavier than before. At first I could not see anything, but on the inner edge of the central hole I saw an inscription, an inscription finer than anything I had ever seen before. The inscription shone piercingly bright, and yet remote, as if out of a great depth: 12413AEB2ED4FA5E6F7D78E78BEDE820945092OF923A40EElOE5 IOCC98D444AA08EI324 I cannot understand the fiery letters, I said in a timid voice. No but I can, he said. The letters are Hex, of an ancient mode, but the language is that of Microsoft, which I shall not utter here. But in common English this is what it says: 'One OS to rule them all, One OS to find them, One OS to bring them all and in the darkness bind them.' It is only two lines from a verse long known in System-lore: 'Three OS's from corporate-kings in their towers of glass, Seven from valley-lords where orchards used to grow, Nine from dotcoms doomed to die, One from the Dark Lord Gates on his dark throne In the Land of Redmond where the Shadows lie. One OS to rule them all, One OS to find them, One OS to bring them all and in the darkness bind them, In the Land of Redmond where the Shadows lie.' And thus was born the Fellowship of the Ping. -- Canaan Surfing Ltd. Internet Service Providers Ben-Nes Michael - Manager Tel: 972-4-6991122 Fax: 972-4-6990098 http://www.canaan.net.il -- = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: hebrew input in explorer in cxoffice
Try running the application with the env. variable: LC_ALL=he_IL /opt/cxoffice/bin/iexplore (or the likes) You could try LC_CTYPE=he_IL and his friends (locale will tell you more about it), and you just might be able to type in hebrew. Ez. On Monday 19 January 2004 07:16, Daniel Feiglin wrote: Micha Feigin wrote: How do I input hebrew characters in explorer running inside cross office? Using the regular X input method shows gibberish and isn't recognized as hebrew by explorer as far as I can tell. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have a ticket open on this for ALL MS apps under cxoffice+SuSE 9.0. I'll post the results to the list if and when the problem is solved. Daniel = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Barak Cables over PPTP
You could find something you can work with (it's written to RH9, but will work with Mandrake too, as far as I know) at http://www.iarc.org/~ezaton/cables There are instructions, and a script, adjusted to Actcom, but you could adjust it easilly to any ISP you want. Ez. On Sunday 04 January 2004 07:02, Ittay Dror wrote: Hi everyone, I'm trying to setup a dialer to Barak over PPTP (and Ethernet). Does someone have a ready-made script (for Mandrake 9.1) so that I don't have to mess with it myself? Also, instructions for how to make a connection sharing (not a gw) so another computer can use its own dialer will be appriciated. Thanx, Ittay = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Nvidia Conclusion
On Saturday 03 January 2004 10:09, Shlomi Fish wrote: Hetz: thanks for the info. As for the version of the driver, it may be stable for you, but I'm not sure it would be stable for me. So I'll ask at the forums, IRC channel, etc. The rest of the crowd: the Nvidia card came prepackaged with the computer, and I can't talk my father into replacing without a good enough reason. (he uses Windows there most of the time). So, switching to ATI is not an option. The reason I believe the current situation with Nvidia cards is sub-optimal is because: 1. I need to explictly download and build it whenever I upgrade the kernel (and possibly X as well). Mandrake does not ship it with their distro so they won't taint their distribution with a proprietary binary-only driver. Yep. They try to make it user-friendly as much as possible. Closed, and yet, easy to install. You just run the installer, and it compiles what needs to be compiled for you. 2. It cannot be made part of the kernel because of its nature, so upgrading a kernel is always a two step process. Upgrading a kernel is always more then two steps, anyhow. Besides checking that everything works. Upgrading NVidia's driver does not require re-configuration of X. 3. It causes some problems. Like this one, or one on my previous computer where the X server completely freezed occasionally while the computer was working. Why should it? A Linux machine should work flawlessly Usually the reason has to do with hardware competablility, and hardware inter-communication. Usually it's about the AGP. A tip (which solved a similar problem for me) - Add /etc/modules.conf: options agpgart agp_try_unsupported=1 It might solve the problem. It will avoid using NVidia's AGP driver, and use the kernel's AGP. 4. It taints the kernel and possibly make isolating problems a two-part process (removing the driver and then testing the untainted kernel). So, Nvidia Corp. has done a nice gesture to the i386 Linux users, but hasn't done enough. Linux compatibility is not enough. You still have to play by the rules of open-source. Some do, some don't. Under the condition, they try to be as accessible as possible for the huge veriaty of distributions. Not many closed-source vendors are, or even bother trying... At the moment I don't have much time to try and reverse-engineer the driver. (and I'm not sure what's the legal status of it). Even so, without the SPEC, the re-created driver can still suffer from the same problems. Regards, Shlomi Fish Ez. -- Shlomi Fish[EMAIL PROTECTED] Home Page: http://t2.technion.ac.il/~shlomif/ Writing a BitKeeper replacement is probably easier at this point than getting its license changed. Matt Mackall on OFTC.net #offtopic. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Complaining and Solving Problems of the Nvidia Drivers
You could check the support section, and forums of NVidia's site. They have solutions for such things. Unlike many other hardware and driver vendors, NVidia (which ships closed source driver) have a good support, and great forums, meant for you, and everyone else who needs support, regarding Linux. You can blame them for being closed source (as you can blame most of the world, today), but you cannot blame them for lack of support. Ez. On Friday 02 January 2004 12:49, Shlomi Fish wrote: Hi! I'd like to complain about the current situation with the Nvidia drivers. I think the fact they are not open-source and integrated into the main kernel is a huge burden for me, and gives me a lot of trouble. I am not a free software fanatic, but the current way of doing things is wasting me precious time. The question is who should I complain to? NVidia supplies the drivers on their homepage, but claims I should address their OEMs for support. Fact is: I bought my computer recently with an NVidia GX4 card there and don't know who my card OEM is. (albeit I may be able to find out). In any case, I'm not sure this OEM would be clueful enough to deal with a Linux-pertinent problem that is a bit philosophical in nature. Finally, I have a problem. When I use an OpenGL screensaver, the X server crashes and brings me back to command line. It doesn't happen with a non-OpenGL screensaver, so it's probably the driver's fault. I wish to know how can I resolve this. It is obvious that the lack of source code and its proprietary nature make the drivers relatively sub-standard. Regards, Shlomi Fish -- Shlomi Fish[EMAIL PROTECTED] Home Page: http://t2.technion.ac.il/~shlomif/ Writing a BitKeeper replacement is probably easier at this point than getting its license changed. Matt Mackall on OFTC.net #offtopic. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Complaining and Solving Problems of the Nvidia Drivers
BTW, the solution is there. It is usually related to AGP communication. You can, of course, debug the kernel, the X system, the driver, their relationship, but NVidia did this for you before. Not open, but a good product, and a good support. Not everyone (actually, only very few) bother debugging problematic code or software. It's not a war about open source (as I'm fond of it), but it's talking about reality. Reality says they ship closed source GLX extensions, and reality proves they have a good support. You can choose to use this, under these terms, or use other hardware vendor's graphics card. That's life Ez. On Friday 02 January 2004 14:24, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: On Fri, Jan 02, 2004 at 01:15:07PM +0200, Ez-Aton wrote: You can blame them for being closed source (as you can blame most of the world, today), but you cannot blame them for lack of support. Of course you can. By not opening up the drivers, they deprive you of the best form of support - helping yourself. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Complaining and Solving Problems of the Nvidia Drivers
On Friday 02 January 2004 14:56, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: On Fri, Jan 02, 2004 at 02:51:53PM +0200, Ez-Aton wrote: BTW, the solution is there. It is usually related to AGP communication. You can, of course, debug the kernel, the X system, the driver, their relationship, but NVidia did this for you before. c.f. shlomif's problem, obviously, they haven't done it good enough. By the same flow of logic, why don't you use windows? I'm not quite sure. Searching their forums took me 10 minutes to get a direction for solving the problem. 10 minutes later, the problem was solved. I don't use windows for various reasons. Want me to start? Not open, but a good product, and a good support. I think you misspelled 'not nearly good enough' there, for reasons I have already elucidated upon. Fine. Offer a better alternative. I think you could still find some 3Dfx cards, maybe on e-bay, and use them. As I remember, they opened their code before the end. You could also try and use S3 graphics, but it's far from being able to compete with both NVidia's and ATI's. Matrox maybe? You could get something, not nearly as good, but for more or less, the same price. Freedom is expensive - and so are Matrox cards. Not everyone (actually, only very few) bother debugging problematic code or software. But everyone should have the option. True. Again, life and its weird way of dissappointing us... You can choose to use this, under these terms, or use other hardware vendor's graphics card. The choice should be obvious. Would it? What would you choose then? Cheers, Muli Ez. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Complaining and Solving Problems of the Nvidia Drivers
The 7xxx is unsupported. I have a laptop using one of the 7xxx familly (I think the mobile M6 or a similar name), and I can use only the built-in XFree drivers. None others. Ez. On Friday 02 January 2004 16:20, Diego Iastrubni wrote: so what were those rumours saying that 3D games on linux have more frame rate then on windows? BTW, is there TV out support on their drivers? The drivers on the site are for 8500 and 9x000, how abut the 7x000 family? , 2 2004, 15:11,Hetz Ben Hamo: Wrong, big time! ATI Drivers are so horrible, that unless you have the real high end card (8xxx or 9xxx) - then their closed source drivers won't help you, and the open source drivers will give you AT BEST - 30-40% of speed in 3D. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Complaining and Solving Problems of the Nvidia Drivers
Not entirely correct. You could find some ATI [EMAIL PROTECTED] or the likes, for around 200NIS. It will work with X out of the box. It will have zero (0) 3D abilities, and it's fine for you. If you want to play the simplest 3D game - let's say tux racer, you need 3D acceleration, else you'll get around one frame every 3 or 4 seconds (it's up to your CPU power, of course, using MESA) Now, Tux-Racer is not what I call advanced heavy game, so 3D acceleration might come in handy. You could use it as well for 3D modelling (CAD programs, etc.). One of the advantages, generally speaking, of these cheap 3D cards (around 350 and above) is that they support quite a good 2D modeling, thus, you get better draw speed, faster minimization of windows, etc. You could use the open drivers supplied with X for NVidia cards, but you will lose lots of advantages, both 2D and 3D. These are open drivers, and you get to have the minimum required for things to work. Slow, but working. Have complains regarding closed specs? Use them. Being real, you do not gain the ability to debug the driver yourself (although I believe you could debug it to some extend), but you get to enjoy the good support team and good forum NVidia supplies. You could like it, and use these drivers (BTW, they work really well), or you could oppose it, and buy a different (non-accelerated) card, or use the default X drivers. I think it's fair asking why aren't these specs open, but I don't think it's fair blaming them for closed specs, after you have bought the card, and decided to use their drivers. My oppinion. Ez On Saturday 03 January 2004 00:10, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: Muli Ben-Yehuda [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No, I'm afraid I haven't done any research into this problem yet and thus cannot point you to such a card, although I should, soon. I think Oleg did recently, though. Oleg? Well, I tried to stay away from this discussion, but now I am drawn into it explicitly. I changed a couple of video cards recently. My Voodoo card that had served me for a few years went bust a few months ago. The ATI Radeon card I bought then lasted about 3 months or so (till the first power outage). I am using an nVidia card at the moment. It works for me, so I have not had a chance to peruse their support in any form. Basically, the normal (i.e. your friendly neighbourhood computer store) market is shared between ATI and nVidia. There is nothing else worth mentioning, at least if you are a layman retail purchaser. As we all know, ATI cards have free (as beer and speech) drivers, nVidia cards have proprietary drivers that happen to work. Linus (check his recent LKML postings on the subject) does not mind nVidia drivers all that much, though he says it is one of the few cases where binary modules are OK. It well may happen that your friendly neighbourhood computer store will not have ATI or nVidia in stock. That is, they may have nVidia but not ATI, or the other way around. Chances are that they can order, say, an ATI card for you if you insist on it for ideological reasons. The shop I bought my current card at did not carry ATI, and not being too ideological I bought nVidia knowing it would work. Now, to the question of specs. Short answer is, I don't know, and this has a bearing on everything else I will write below. A longer answer is, it is likely that even if there is a free (as in whatever) driver for your card it does not utilize the cards full capabilities in 3D acceleration etc, because the spec is not fully known. Now, you only need 3D acceleration (or AGP for that matter) if you do something really heavy, e.g. play advanced games on your computer. I don't play games, so I would be very happy if there were simple non-accelerated cheap (as in NIS 25 rather than NIS 250 a pop) cards on the market, I would be very happy because that's all I need. Now please write down your requirements for a spec (e.g. full specification of every bell and whistle related to 3D acceleration, or basic stuff that is enough for KDE), google or otherwise ask around, and decide for yourself if that is available for the card of your choice. I would venture a wild guess that if games is your thing you will likely be better off with nVidia's proprietary driver than with a free one for ATI. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Kernel 2.6.0 compilation errors
You should write make help to see what options are there. Read the change log, to see what are the requirements for upgrading to 2.6 (and there are some), to make sure you are up to date. If I recall correctly, you should, anyhow, type make and not make bzImage Ez. On Friday 26 December 2003 14:40, Ori Idan wrote: I downloaded Kernel 2.6.0 from kernel.org I used make gconfig to make my configuration, starting from scratch, not using any previous .config file. I then did: make bzImage After few minutes that it was compiling many files it gave me few errors such as: drivers/built-in.o(.text+0x48f37): In function `ide_match_hwif': : undefined reference to `ide_hwifs' or: drivers/built-in.o(.text+0x49740): In function `ide_setup_pci_controller': : undefined reference to `noautodma' and: drivers/built-in.o(.text+0x4a318): In function `__ide_dma_off_quietly': : undefined reference to `ide_toggle_bounce' Does anyone have any idea what am I doing wrong? -- Ori Idan = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cable Internet, 012, and what's between it...
You could use pptp dialer. Should work. You might consider checking http://www.iarc/org/~ezaton/cables and read a lecture I wrote there. The lecture (as well as the explenations) are relevant to Actcom, but you could find that by changing only a little bit, you can connect to any other ISP in Israel. Ez. On Tuesday 09 December 2003 23:24, Aaron wrote: My point is, that as members of this list, and linux users as well, beware of the evil 012, and the way they treat linux users. Tomorrow i'll probably disconnect from 012 and move to another ISP, Netvision Probably. (in short - because they told me they can fix me a static ip and i wouldnt have to add any $$). I use bezeqint, cause they let me horat keva, everyone else seems to use credit cards only. And it was a no brainer with linux, the price ain't so great though. And cable is quicker than adsl was. Aaron Take care. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: MSN messanger for linux and linux compatible webcam
You should use either UPNP daemon on the Linux NAT, or try to play with OpenH323 server on the NAT. Ez. On Tuesday 02 December 2003 19:52, Oron Peled wrote: On Tuesday 02 December 2003 12:02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which version of gnomemeeting it that? $ gnomemeeting --version Gnome GnomeMeeting 0.93.1 Worked OK against NetMeeting on WinME on the same LAN. nor could get NetMeeting on Windows behind the Linux NAT/firewall to work. Nor did I, but I haven't invested a lot of reading/testing this setup (therefore my questions about proxy, etc.) = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Reiserfs acting up
What is 03:09 device? Check your /proc/bus/devices and/or your disk section in /proc. Do you get to hear weird noises out of your computer during such a case? Do dmesg | grep 03 and check what 03:09 refers to. It might be bad blocks (my guess) or it might be some PCI device malefunctioning. My two cents and a dime. Ez. On Tuesday 11 November 2003 21:02, Micha Feigin wrote: On Tue, 2003-11-11 at 08:48, Shachar Shemesh wrote: Hi all, First - a disclaimer. My kernel is tainted. I'm asking people here whether anyone knows anything about it, before going through the process of untainting my kernel (nvidia, vmware). I'm not sure what the conditions are, yet. The problem happened once while downloading the Fedora ISOs (and I didn't get the hint :-\ ), and once while compiling wine and editing a picture with Gimp (about four days apart). The problems are not easilly reproducable. The CPU jumps to 100%, the mouse still functions (as well as the kcpuload applet), but the window manager no longer functions. The console is filled with messages: Nov 11 08:08:27 sun kernel: vs-3050: wait_buffer_until_released: nobody releases buffer (dev 03:09, size 4096, blocknr 4587520, count 3, list 0, state 0x10019, page c157a280, (UPTODATE, CLEAN, UNLOCKED)). Still waiting (3000) JDIRTY !JWAIT sr0: CDROM not ready. Make sure there is a disc in the drive The second message may not be related. The negative number in the paranthesis keeps changing. The last time the message was Nov 9 00:52:07 sun kernel: vs-3050: wait_buffer_until_released: nobody releases buffer (dev 03:09, size 4096, blocknr 1146880, count 3, list 0, state 0x10019, page c1563d20, (UPTODATE, CLEAN, UNLOCKED)). Still waiting (21000) JDIRTY !JWAIT While X became unresponsive, I could switch to text console, log in, and run programs (top, etc.). I couldn't kill the process that caused the problem (winebuild). It's apparent that neither disk nor filesystem are fatally locked. One more note - I'm using a new hard disk. The first time this happened, I thought that this may be due to a disk failure. Now I'm no longer sure. sun:~# uname -r 2.4.22-1-686 Debian/Sid sun:~# lsmod Module Size Used byTainted: PF sr_mod 14744 2 (autoclean) cdrom 29184 0 (autoclean) [sr_mod] nvidia 1630400 11 (autoclean) apm10060 1 (autoclean) vmnet 19600 4 vmmon 23260 0 (unused) usb-storage69376 0 (autoclean) (unused) autofs4 9876 2 (autoclean) af_packet 13672 1 (autoclean) decnet 78480 1 ide-scsi 10448 1 scsi_mod 95296 2 [sr_mod usb-storage ide-scsi] jedec_probe 9760 0 (autoclean) gen_probe 2512 0 (autoclean) [jedec_probe] chipreg 761 0 [jedec_probe] cmpci 26484 1 soundcore 3940 2 [cmpci] agpgart41976 3 8139too15912 1 mii 2464 0 [8139too] crc32 2912 0 [8139too] parport_pc 23880 1 (autoclean) lp 7168 0 (autoclean) parport26728 1 (autoclean) [parport_pc lp] printer 7520 0 scanner10720 0 (unused) keybdev 2116 0 (unused) mousedev4372 1 hid21860 0 (unused) usbmouse2296 0 (unused) usbkbd 3672 0 (unused) input 3648 0 [keybdev mousedev hid usbmouse usbkbd] usb-uhci 23600 0 (unused) usbcore63372 1 [usb-storage printer scanner hid usbmouse usbkbd usb-uhci] rtc 6792 0 (autoclean) reiserfs 191056 5 (autoclean) ext2 36352 1 (autoclean) ext3 65316 0 (autoclean) jbd42760 0 (autoclean) [ext3] ide-detect 10832 0 (autoclean) cmd64x 8036 0 (autoclean) (unused) cmd640 2916 0 (autoclean) (unused) cy82c6932156 0 (autoclean) (unused) slc90e664880 0 (autoclean) (unused) sis551311824 0 (autoclean) (unused) via82cxxx 11144 0 (autoclean) (unused) aec62xx 6020 0 (autoclean) (unused) amd74xx10148 0 (autoclean) (unused) serverworks 8412 0 (autoclean) (unused) hpt34x 2504 0 (autoclean) (unused) hpt366 15556 0 (autoclean) (unused) ide-disk 16832 7 (autoclean) [hpt366] piix8392 1 (autoclean) opti621 2668
Re: No buffer space available on connect
Try to upgrade ifplugd. They had few bugs back then (although I expreianced them using RTL8139), and it might be the problem. Ifplugd is supposed to detect disconnection, adn then bring the if down. If it detects it by mistake, it will try to bring down the interface, to detect it is connected (and then bring it up). It might happen to you few times a second, and it might happen once evey minute or few minutes (or once an hour), however, you should try to: 1) upgrade ifplugd 2) if it doesn't help, avoid using it. Use std. interface settings. Ez. On Tuesday 11 November 2003 22:25, Oleg Kobets wrote: Just so you be aware SIS900 is a shitty nic (especially the onboard version) and have LOTS of problems, and I am speaking from experience. If you have the option, replace it! - Original Message - From: Alon Altman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Linux-IL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 4:00 PM Subject: No buffer space available on connect Hi, I have a strange problem on my new MDK9.2 system. Sometimes, when I try to connect to a host (via ssh, ping, etc.) I get the error in the subject. It seems to work out by itself or by restarting the network. Also, the error does not occur when using loopback. This is what I see in the logs when I restart the network: 15:54:46 ifplugd(eth0)[1953]: Using interface eth0/00:0C:6E:83:39:23 with driver sis900 (version: v1.08.06 9/24/2002) 15:54:46 ifplugd(eth0)[1953]: Using detection mode: SIOCGMIIPHY 15:54:46 ifplugd(eth0)[1953]: ifplugd 0.15 successfully initialized, link beat not detected. 15:54:46 network: Bringing up interface eth0: failed 15:54:48 kernel: eth0: Media Link On 100mbps full-duplex 15:54:48 ifplugd(eth0)[1953]: Link beat detected. 15:54:49 ifplugd(eth0)[1953]: Executing '/etc/ifplugd/ifplugd.action eth0 up'. 15:54:51 ifplugd(eth0)[1953]: Program executed successfully. I'm using an Ethernet connection with a static IP: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SiS900 10/100 Ethernet (rev 91) Any ideas? Alon -- This message was sent by Alon Altman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) ICQ:1366540 GPG public key at http://alon.wox.org/pubkey.txt Key fingerprint = A670 6C81 19D3 3773 3627 DE14 B44A 50A3 FE06 7F24 - - -=[ Random Fortune ]=- The older I grow, the more I distrust the familiar doctrine that age brings wisdom. -- H.L. Mencken = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Reiserfs acting up
Reiser does not handle BS quite well. The idea is that bad blocks on the journal (and this changes, so you can't actually track it as part of a single proccess or specific file, but where the journal has just been written) Since the journal changes locations, as far as I know, the reason might be bad blocks, although not on the data part itself, but on some free space, where the journal is using. Did you change anything, except your HDD lately? Installed new software? Changed X? Anything? And about the modules - is it not wise removing unused modules? Ez. On Wednesday 12 November 2003 00:25, Shachar Shemesh wrote: Ez-Aton wrote: What is 03:09 device? Check your /proc/bus/devices and/or your disk section in /proc. If I'm not mistaken - that should be /dev/hda9, which is where /home is mounted from (and where all the processes that failed had open files). Do you get to hear weird noises out of your computer during such a case? No, and neither do the rest of the system lock up. I can continue working in text mode, and in fact read and write the logs (where these messages were brought to you from). The harddisk, as I mentioned before, is brand new. Do dmesg | grep 03 and check what 03:09 refers to. It might be bad blocks (my guess) That was original guess. However, repeating the same processes that failed once did not produce the same symptoms. The two times report very different blocks as causing the problems. Also, the rest of the disk seems to function without a problem. or it might be some PCI device malefunctioning. I'm now leaning torwards a reiserfs deadlock of some kind. The problem is just not reproducable enough. My two cents and a dime. Ez. Don't know about this problem, but why are do you keep just about every module under the sun loaded? I don't go around unloading them, if that's what you are asking. The Debian initrd process loads just about every single IDE driver, and most of them remain there. PIIX is the only one actually used. Also do you think its reiserfs thats causing the problems? (I see you also have ext2 and ext3 modules loaded). I have 1 ext partition (/boot). Everything else is reiserfs. Not to mention the fact that the string vs-3050 only appears inside reiserfs. What is your root's file system (the question is raised since its supposed to be compiled in and I see reiserfs, ext2 and ext3 are modules). The root filesystem is not compiled in. RTFM initrd. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Haifux] Re: Please recommend linux sites
Well, it is too late, and besides, there are both Fedora and MDK nowdays, meant for newbies. You should remember that Debian is not considered fit for newbies, and therefore, we better not install it. Ez. On Monday 10 November 2003 09:55, Dotan Mazor wrote: On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 15:13:16 +0200 (IST), Alon Altman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, We are building the branding for the Haifux distro based on RH9. It would probably be too late to mention, but since RH would stop supporting its 9 version in the next months, I would recommend you to distribute a disk that would have ongoing support. Personally, I've never used Debian, but I got to hear only good things about it. The reason I recommended Debian and not MDK (the better choise for newbies), is that I know that users that recommend RH, would never recommend MDK. That's a pitty. One more spot for Debian: It's support would probably never cease. FYC = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GNU/Linux drivers for UPS
I have a similar model, I don't remember the exact model number, manufactured by Advice, and using NUT (Network UPS Tools) I am able to work with it on connected to my Linux box, shutting down the computer after predefined time / battery status, automatically. The module I use is called powercom, and is supposed to work with it, using serial cable. Check their site. http://www.exploits.org/nut/ Ez. On Friday 07 November 2003 01:19, John Rabkin wrote: Hello all, The short version: I want to save myself time and effort by asking on this list if anyone is successfully communicating with the Advice Partner PR600 UPS on Linux. The long version: I have a UPS, its manufactured by Advice and its model is the Partner PR600. Currently it's connected to my desktop box and Web server without its serial data cable for lack of suitable free drivers on Linux. Advice [www.advice.co.il] supply a proprietary binary-only driver for Linux which I did not and do not have any intention of trying. To top it all off they supply documentation in DOC format with their Linux driver. Anyone have any luck communication with this specific UPS? = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Linux mail server as DRP for MS Exchnage
You could use fetchmail on the Linux server, obtaining mail by POP3 at any given time. However, you cannot obtain global address book, nor calander, either shared or personal. Mainly, it's an administration hog. You have to do it all manually. You could do this by IMAP, thus easier working with HUGE mailboxes. Again, same drawbacks. Any better idea? Ez On Wednesday 05 November 2003 22:20, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone, I'm looking for any FREE Linux document or software to act as DRP mail server to my MS-Exchange 5.5. My meaning is that I will put the Linux Mail server in another site and that mail server will be synchronize with the Excange every day. Any idea?? Thanks, Ori --- Walla! Mail, Get Your Private, Free E-mail from Walla! at: http://mail.walla.co.il = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Meeting with Gadi Gilon
My donation: Of course not every user can change software on machines in every hospital. Users can't do a thing. One of the highlights of a Unix (and of course, a Linux) management, is that it can be managed from one sigle center point, and easilly. Assuming, for the matter, that there are zero hardware failures (we'll get there soon), all you need to do is implement the system once, and manage it using minimal number of people - You could scale up (as I see it) to having a very small amount of experts, each in his field, regarding parts of the whole system - You could have a DB expert, a scripting expert, a testing expert (working with the rest towards new concepts, updates, changes, etc) and half a dozen Sysdamins for the whole system, all in all. After sufficient testing, one could hardly argue the stability of an open-source (free?) software based systems. I don't remember a link, and many details, but there was a whole city in the US, if I remember correctly, which was managed (police, offices, etc.) by 3 people, including the boss, with lots of time on their hands. The only drawback of not using a mainframe (and there's nothing we can do about it) is hardware problems. That implies that every hospital should have one, two, even three technicians. Since management can be done remotelly, and central based, you only need to keep these techies on the spot to: - maintain and fix hardware problems - feel the existing system - They will probably know first if there's any new problem - support individuals. Using central maintanace, personal usage profiles would be very stable, and could always be reset if the need arises (which should be quite rare). For example - assume usage of one LDAP server in every hospital, containing data about net-home-dir, managed from one central point, and updated from this central point, as well as any and every other LDAP servers the Clalit has. What you get, after building the right scripts (it's being called deploying) the system, is that your users administrator inserts a single user into LDAP, all LDAP servers update, a homedir, preferences preconfigured, is being openned on the correct area storage server, mail is being configured, and vualla! A computer is added into the hospital - a Network KS is being deployed (pre-existing), configuring the computer to be part of the area, activating a register request for the Users admin, or net-admin, gets preconfigured according the the legitimate std. configuration in the area, during the install, and is waiting for the users to use, in no time (a proccess like that takes around an hour. If you use very long and complicated scripts, that is, else it can be less then 20 minutes). The only actual job was to connect the computer to the net, and boot it up using floppy, cd, or net card. The system knows what to do next. Cheapper on deployment, cheapper on management, cheapper to use. Deployment, of course, takes time. One should be capable enough to plan a good layout - extensible, scalable, and easy to maintain, to allow easy maintanace, and easy configuration. Oh, and you don't need to have your FSMOs. Etzion Bar-Noy Aka, Ez. On Tuesday 04 November 2003 10:47, Shachar Shemesh wrote: Hi list, Just came back from a meeting with Gadi Gilon. For those who don't remeber, he is the CIO of Kupat Cholim Klalit. He stumbled upon the last time his name was mentioned on this list (thread starting at http://plasma-gate.weizmann.ac.il/Linux/maillists/03/09/msg00296.html), and wanted to talk. I'm BCCing him on this email, so he can choose to participate actively in this discussion (or just correct me). The discussion stayed, almost exclusively, on the theoretical, ideological, front. If I understood correctly, his main point is this: I can see ideological/social reasons for writing/using free software, and I see financial ones. If I try to adopt the ideological reasons within my organization, it will never work. I cannot let every user of a machine in every hospital change their own software. I cannot expect to have the social contract's benifits when aquiring the software, yet not pass the same benifits onwards. I must therefor reject the social reasons for adoping free software. Please don't start flame wars saying but there are also financial reasons for adopting open source. He is not rejecting this possibility. It has not come up due to lack of time. Now, I tried to point the practical reasons behind the social contract, and his response rather suprised me. Basically, he has contracts with all of his software vendors that gives him full access to the source code in case the company goes under. His basic premesis was I can get competition over support in proprietary software too - Clalit did it in the past already. I tried to point out that this is actually means that he has forced the vendors to turn their model, when dealing with him, into a free software one. He
Haifa University site browser competablity issues
Hi People. To cut to the bone, parts of a site used by many (and more to be) courses in Haifa University, called Virtual Haifa (virtualnew.haifa.ac.il) does not function under any browser except IE. A similar site, used for content menagement, used in TAU functions flawlessly. I believe that the implementation of the ASP in HaifaU was lacking in so many ways. The JavaScripts themselves might also lack, but only tonight I will check a bit more into it. I sent them an e-mail message, explaining I do not own a Windows, and I don't use Windows on my machines, and asked for some way to reach the documents in question (aka, my homework). The reply I got from the person in charge (in HaifaU) was that it supports only IE, and if I need to use it, I could do it from computer farms in the U itself. I think it is a not a complicated request, checking their javascript/html implementation, and I believe this answer was meant to brush off this annoyance. I don't want, by all means, to start a world war to solve it, but if anyone in this list is a member of the HaifaU staff, or has any word in the issue, any help would be really appreciated in solving this problem. Any suggestion on the next move will also be very helpful, as I stand rather helpless now, agains this system. Thanks in advance! Ez-Aton = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Red Hat 9 installation problem.
SATA is not yet supported Out-of-the-box One needs to install using either some special new and patched kernel, or using an HDD connected to the std. IDE, and then, after upgrade to the kernel, to move the system to the new disks. Ez. On Monday 03 November 2003 11:25, Josh Roden wrote: One of our students tried to install RH9 on a computer with the following: Mother board: ABIT Chipset: VIA Hard disk: Seagate SATA When he got to the disk formatting part of the installation he got an error stating that no hard disk was found. Does anybody have any idea what can be the problem and a possible solution? Thank you, Josh Roden Hadassah Computer Science = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Making Linux Look Harder Than What It Is (or: Why do newbies still have a hard time after a 'deep' explanation?)
On Mon, 10 Dec 2001, Ez-Aton wrote: It doesn't matter. Most of the people in the world use IE. They need an alternative. I'm affraid Netscape is a poor alternative, and Opera is not a complete one, yet. Konqueror? Far from it. Flash was an example, taken from the article. Flash sux on NS, and it's not because it's Linux, but because it's NS. What does it matter, anyhow, as long as it sux? What about Mozilla? The Besttm browser for Linux (and any other OS as well). And heaviest (even comparing to IE). It has many problems, yet, and, still, sux. Ez. -- This message was sent by Alon Altman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) ICQ:1366540 The RIGHT way to contact me is by e-mail. I am otherwise nonexistent :) -- You! What PLANET is this! -- McCoy, The City on the Edge of Forever, stardate 3134.0 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Making Linux Look Harder Than What It Is (or: Why do newbies still have a hard time after a 'deep' explanation?)
- Original Message - From: Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ez-Aton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Adir Abraham [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Orr Dunkelman [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Orna Agmon [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Alon Altman [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tzafrir Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Benny G. [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Guy Keren [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mulix [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Eli Billauer [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Yariv Ido [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 3:09 PM Subject: Re: Making Linux Look Harder Than What It Is (or: Why do newbies still have a hard time after a 'deep' explanation?) On Sun, 9 Dec 2001, Ez-Aton wrote: I like the article. It sounds great, but there are few points where I disagree, First: Did anyone write GUI frontend to configure, make, and make install? As long as no one ever had, people *willl have to* use command line. RPMs are great, and simple, but sometimes their dependencies list is way over the head... (X for Vi? Why?) That's what urpmi/MandrakeUpdate or apt-rpm is for. If RH does not have it, that's a distro problem, not something that is inherent in Linux. Not good enough. It's not Setup, and, especially in MDK, you will not always find an RPM for any and every program you want. However, do the configure; make; make install thing, and you covered about 90% of the programs you could ever think of installing. Second: As long as anything works like charm, great. You put the CD in, and go to it, and walla! You access it, but when troubles are on teh horizon, and it doesn't work, someone should make a mount/umount icon on your desktop, or just teach you to use these commands (mount /dev/cdrom, and eject), and explain why sometimes it won't work (you're in that directory, bob, so you cannot eject. Yeah, it's the way things are there...). I think KDE 2.something supports such a thing. I have KDE2, and it's not built in. Lets say you accidently deleted the CDROM icon. It happens (like any shortcut, right?). Well, now re-create it... It's not simple. The mounting/umounting thing was an example, but not the only example. It's just that when everything works fine, great, but in many cases it does not (and the automount part was an example, since it is a common problem). When thigns go messie, you need command line (and that was the point), and things tend to go messie... Third: Flash on Netscape (Not on Linux alone) looks different. Sometimes, things will not look exactly as they should. Why? Donno, Macromedia has solutions... not me. Again, not something inherent to Linux or Linux' fault. By virtue of the Church-Rosser theorem Linux can display Flash just as well as Windows It doesn't matter. Most of the people in the world use IE. They need an alternative. I'm affraid Netscape is a poor alternative, and Opera is not a complete one, yet. Konqueror? Far from it. Flash was an example, taken from the article. Flash sux on NS, and it's not because it's Linux, but because it's NS. What does it matter, anyhow, as long as it sux? Conclusion: As long as the system is running perfectly (and we know there is no such thing, at least not for any great lenth of time) you do not need any command line at all. Command line is for geeks, you say, and you're quite right. But how many of you ever tried setting up Kppp, and it worked on the first time? At least on MDK7.0,7.1,7.2 it usually went segfault, and you had to create the conf files manually, and then it worked. I don't know MDK8.0 (which he reffers to)... but it's an example. Were life perfect, and open source programs were *always* bug free, we would have been unemployed. However, most of us still have work, so it's probably that it will take some time till this otopic world would exists (maybe short time after there will be peace in the area, or something). Command line becomes required when you need to install things which do not come in RPM format, or as workaround to wierd problems no one really's into solving (automount is the famous of them). I set up kppp (back on MDK 7.2 I believe) and it worked on the first time. But then I switched to ADSL, and now from some reason the POTS connection does not work at all. I don't invest much time in trying to correct it, out of lack of motivation. See? You will have to use console after all. Not that Kppp is bad, it just does not allow you the complete, omnipotent control you can gain with any console tools. It's not that this omnipotence is vital to life, or to basic functioning, but among the great things you can find in Linux, console omnipotence is of the greatests (I see it that way, at least). It allows you troubleshooting, solving, and understanding beyond anything you could ever archive on a windows machine. It gives you the full control, the Godhood, which allows you to choose your GUI, your preffered tools, the way these tools work, and complete understanding of your hardware (show me please the GUI tools to configure TV card
