Re: SxS Distro?

2002-06-05 Thread Kurt Wall

On Sun, 2 Jun 2002 17:58:03 -0400 Douglas J Hunley
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 Kurt Wall spewed electrons into the ether that resembled:
  I'd have to pass. Work and a book project suck up my time and I'm
  not terribly interested in working with another RPM-based
  distribution.
 
 nobody sad we'd use RPM

No, but it seemed that was the direction the conversation was
going.

Kurt
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Re: SxS Distro?

2002-06-04 Thread Keith Antoine

On Monday 03 June 2002 01:57 am, Marianne Taylor enshrined :

 When using checkinstall to make the rpms for XFree 4.2 you need to use the
 no strip option. (--strip=no)  Otherwise should work
 as advertised.  I haven't done  KDE 3.01 yet!

 See the FAQ's on the checkinstall site or checkinstall --help.

Well I followed your advice but really did not expect it to work as all I had 
was utils , doctools and xc. Did a make/checkinstall on utils it failed. Did 
the same to doctools, made an rpm. Then I went and tried xc; now I thought I 
must backup first and then go to runlevel3 and then call the 
make/checkinstall, this was about an 20 mins ago.
This is where I remark on my memory; I was so engrossed in what I was doing 
that I forgot all of that and all of a sudden I remmbered hell I am in kde2.2 
as a user and doing acheckinstall, sh**! Couldn't do anything about it so it 
made an rpm I closed down and rebooted, bingo I am in 4.2, how lucky can you 
be, I was expecting it to freeze or not boot. It worked though.



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Re: SxS Distro?

2002-06-04 Thread Matthew Carpenter

Public area for RPM's to run for different distros.  ie.  Since Caldera
doesn't have any place for us in the community to share our work with
others, I'm trying to get some ways to do so.  I've been working with
Keith Morse from the COL list to set up an area to put some of the RPM's
I've built, but the more the merrier, and if possible, mirroring would be
a good arrangement.  I was wondering if this might be something the SXS
sites might consider doing?  Allowing FTP or SCP of member-created RPM's
for their favorite distro, to be made available by HTTP or FTP.

Thanks,
Matt

On Tue, 4 Jun 2002 10:02:24 -0400
Douglas J Hunley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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  Hey Doug-  Can you make resources available for Member-spun RPM's?  I
  have seen some serious lacking of space for RPMs built for certain
  distros...
 
 not sure I follow you Matt. what exactly are you asking for?
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Re: SxS Distro?

2002-06-03 Thread Keith Antoine

On Monday 03 June 2002 03:04 pm, you wrote:
 On Sunday 02 June 2002 11:15 pm, Keith Antoine wrote:
  On Monday 03 June 2002 07:56 am, you wrote:
   Marianne Taylor spewed electrons into the ether that resembled:
When using checkinstall to make the rpms for XFree 4.2 you need to
use the no strip option. (--strip=no)  Otherwise should work
as advertised.  I haven't done  KDE 3.01 yet!
  
   I *HIGHLY* recommend you edit checkinstallrc and turn stripping OFF
   permanently. You never know when it's going to bite you in the arse
 
  There was only one instance, STRIP_ELF, which I turned off, =0. One thing
  that would help is that it keeps asking where the source dir is
  (usr/src/OpenLinux). How can I tell it where it is so as I do not have to
  keep typing it in. Tried
  # Storage directory for newly created packages
  # By default they will be stored at the default
  # location fot the package type
 
  PAK_DIR=/usr/src/OpenLinux
 
  but still asks.

 Edit the checkinstall script. Add OpenLinux manually:
 # Find out the RPM source directory path

 if ! [ $RPMSOURCEDIR ]; then
RPMSOURCEDIR=NOT-FOUND
for directory in packages redhat RedHat rpm RPM OpenLinux  ; do
 [ -d /usr/src/${directory}/SOURCES ] 
 RPMSOURCEDIR=/usr/src/${directory}
done
 fi

 HTH,
 Tim

Thanks I'll try this too.

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checkinstall (was re: SxS distro)

2002-06-03 Thread Douglas J Hunley

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Skippy:
you could do this:
cd /usr/src
ln -s OpenLinux packages

I've gotten in the habit of doing the following on every box that I admin:
cd /usr/src/
mkdir packages
ln -s packages SuSE
ln -s packages RedHat
ln -s packages OpenLinux

that way, whatever I download finds the directory it expects
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Re: SxS Distro?

2002-06-03 Thread Matthew Carpenter

Hey Doug-  Can you make resources available for Member-spun RPM's?  I have
seen some serious lacking of space for RPMs built for certain distros... 
:(

 Douglas J Hunley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Seems a lot of potential talk about crafting our own distro.
  You folks serious? Who's got the time for this? I can manage the
  resources on the mothership for it, but unless people actually pledge
  some time to get it off the ground, I'm not gonna bother.
  So?
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Re: SxS Distro?

2002-06-03 Thread Keith Antoine

On Monday 03 June 2002 03:04 pm, you wrote:

 Edit the checkinstall script. Add OpenLinux manually:
 # Find out the RPM source directory path

 if ! [ $RPMSOURCEDIR ]; then
RPMSOURCEDIR=NOT-FOUND
for directory in packages redhat RedHat rpm RPM OpenLinux  ; do
 [ -d /usr/src/${directory}/SOURCES ] 
 RPMSOURCEDIR=/usr/src/${directory}
done
 fi

 HTH,
 Tim

That worked just fine thanks.

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Re: checkinstall (was re: SxS distro)

2002-06-03 Thread Keith Antoine

On Tuesday 04 June 2002 12:15 am, you wrote:
 Skippy:
   you could do this:
 cd /usr/src
 ln -s OpenLinux packages

 I've gotten in the habit of doing the following on every box that I admin:
 cd /usr/src/
 mkdir packages
 ln -s packages SuSE
 ln -s packages RedHat
 ln -s packages OpenLinux

 that way, whatever I download finds the directory it expects

Actually at the moment its working , I used Tims' edit the script method. 
However this way would be far easier to enable. Thanks mate.

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Re: SxS Distro?

2002-06-02 Thread Keith Antoine

On Saturday 01 June 2002 08:45 pm, you wrote:
 Am Samstag, 1. Juni 2002 04:20 schrieb Keith Antoine:

 There is a somewhat hidden rpm target in the kernel source Makefile of v.
 2.4.18. When compiling the kernel, try
   make xconfig rpm
 which gives you an installable kernel rpm (with modules).
 Klaus

It isn't often these days to say that I am impressed, but I am. The pointer 
you gave me was absolutely spot-on, and I am now the posessor of a 
suprisingly easily made kernel installable rpm for Caldera 3.1.1..
Many thanks, all i need is to get xfree4.2 done and kde-3.0.1 and I am home. 
They will not be as easy.

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Re: SxS Distro?

2002-06-02 Thread Marianne Taylor

On June 2, 2002 02:26 am, you wrote:
 On Saturday 01 June 2002 08:45 pm, you wrote:
  Am Samstag, 1. Juni 2002 04:20 schrieb Keith Antoine:
 
  There is a somewhat hidden rpm target in the kernel source Makefile of v.
  2.4.18. When compiling the kernel, try
  make xconfig rpm
  which gives you an installable kernel rpm (with modules).
  Klaus

 It isn't often these days to say that I am impressed, but I am. The pointer
 you gave me was absolutely spot-on, and I am now the posessor of a
 suprisingly easily made kernel installable rpm for Caldera 3.1.1..
 Many thanks, all i need is to get xfree4.2 done and kde-3.0.1 and I am
 home. They will not be as easy.

When using checkinstall to make the rpms for XFree 4.2 you need to use the no 
strip option. (--strip=no)  Otherwise should work 
as advertised.  I haven't done  KDE 3.01 yet!

See the FAQ's on the checkinstall site or checkinstall --help.

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Re: SxS Distro?

2002-06-02 Thread Federico Voges

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Hi,

I think that the best option is PostgreSQL as it is a full featured SQL
database.

I you want to learn, you'll need all the features.


On Sat, 1 Jun 2002 09:19:34 -0500, Richard R. Sivernell wrote:

On Sat, 01 Jun 2002 20:55:23 -0300
David /  Federico Voges

   Only need enogh db to write sql queries I think, doing a db concepts course.
I am not sure of how much capability or if a db program is to designed.

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Re: SxS Distro?

2002-06-02 Thread Douglas J Hunley

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Marianne Taylor spewed electrons into the ether that resembled:
 When using checkinstall to make the rpms for XFree 4.2 you need to use the
 no strip option. (--strip=no)  Otherwise should work
 as advertised.  I haven't done  KDE 3.01 yet!

I *HIGHLY* recommend you edit checkinstallrc and turn stripping OFF 
permanently. You never know when it's going to bite you in the arse
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Re: SxS Distro?

2002-06-02 Thread Keith Antoine

On Monday 03 June 2002 07:56 am, you wrote:
 Marianne Taylor spewed electrons into the ether that resembled:
  When using checkinstall to make the rpms for XFree 4.2 you need to use
  the no strip option. (--strip=no)  Otherwise should work
  as advertised.  I haven't done  KDE 3.01 yet!

 I *HIGHLY* recommend you edit checkinstallrc and turn stripping OFF
 permanently. You never know when it's going to bite you in the arse

There was only one instance, STRIP_ELF, which I turned off, =0. One thing 
that would help is that it keeps asking where the source dir is 
(usr/src/OpenLinux). How can I tell it where it is so as I do not have to 
keep typing it in. Tried
# Storage directory for newly created packages
# By default they will be stored at the default
# location fot the package type

PAK_DIR=/usr/src/OpenLinux

but still asks.

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Re: SxS Distro?

2002-06-02 Thread Marianne Taylor

On my linux from scratch system, I had to change the topdir in 
/usr/lib/rpm/macro and that got it to work.  I think I did the same thing on 
Caldera, but I can't remember.  You might want to try that.


On June 2, 2002 08:15 pm, you wrote:
 On Monday 03 June 2002 07:56 am, you wrote:
  Marianne Taylor spewed electrons into the ether that resembled:
   When using checkinstall to make the rpms for XFree 4.2 you need to use
   the no strip option. (--strip=no)  Otherwise should work
   as advertised.  I haven't done  KDE 3.01 yet!
 
  I *HIGHLY* recommend you edit checkinstallrc and turn stripping OFF
  permanently. You never know when it's going to bite you in the arse

 There was only one instance, STRIP_ELF, which I turned off, =0. One thing
 that would help is that it keeps asking where the source dir is
 (usr/src/OpenLinux). How can I tell it where it is so as I do not have to
 keep typing it in. Tried
 # Storage directory for newly created packages
 # By default they will be stored at the default
 # location fot the package type

 PAK_DIR=/usr/src/OpenLinux

 but still asks.

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Re: SxS Distro?

2002-06-02 Thread Tim Wunder

On Sunday 02 June 2002 11:15 pm, Keith Antoine wrote:
 On Monday 03 June 2002 07:56 am, you wrote:
  Marianne Taylor spewed electrons into the ether that resembled:
   When using checkinstall to make the rpms for XFree 4.2 you need to use
   the no strip option. (--strip=no)  Otherwise should work
   as advertised.  I haven't done  KDE 3.01 yet!
 
  I *HIGHLY* recommend you edit checkinstallrc and turn stripping OFF
  permanently. You never know when it's going to bite you in the arse

 There was only one instance, STRIP_ELF, which I turned off, =0. One thing
 that would help is that it keeps asking where the source dir is
 (usr/src/OpenLinux). How can I tell it where it is so as I do not have to
 keep typing it in. Tried
 # Storage directory for newly created packages
 # By default they will be stored at the default
 # location fot the package type

 PAK_DIR=/usr/src/OpenLinux

 but still asks.

Edit the checkinstall script. Add OpenLinux manually:
# Find out the RPM source directory path

if ! [ $RPMSOURCEDIR ]; then
   RPMSOURCEDIR=NOT-FOUND
   for directory in packages redhat RedHat rpm RPM OpenLinux  ; do
[ -d /usr/src/${directory}/SOURCES ]  
RPMSOURCEDIR=/usr/src/${directory}
   done
fi

HTH, 
Tim 

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Re: SxS Distro?

2002-06-01 Thread Klaus-Peter Schrage

Am Samstag, 1. Juni 2002 03:54 schrieb Douglas J Hunley:

 Seems a lot of potential talk about crafting our own distro.
 You folks serious? Who's got the time for this? I can manage the resources
 on the mothership for it, but unless people actually pledge some time to
 get it off the ground, I'm not gonna bother.
 So?

Would be a nice and challenging task with a lot of opportunity to learn for 
me, but summer's almost here, cycling and beer-gardens ... ask me again when 
the winter/spring edition of 'Skippix' is about to come out.
Now seriously: it's better to say 'no' now than half way, as Lonni has 
expressed.
Klaus

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Re: SxS Distro?

2002-06-01 Thread Tim Wunder

On Friday 31 May 2002 09:54 pm, Douglas J Hunley wrote:
 Seems a lot of potential talk about crafting our own distro.
 You folks serious? Who's got the time for this? I can manage the resources
 on the mothership for it, but unless people actually pledge some time to
 get it off the ground, I'm not gonna bother.
 So?
snip

I'd rather see us keep an updated distros page, the info here
http://www.linux-sxs.org/distrourl.html and here
http://www.linux-sxs.org/distroref.html
seems dated. The lycoris thread has some good info on alternative distros, as 
does a couple other threads.
Perhaps we'd be better served *endorsing* a distro, or coupla distro's and 
maintaining an updated distro's section than trying to roll our own.
BTW, has anybody tried the SxS on rolling your own (Skippy?), 
http://www.linux-sxs.org/rolldist.html ?
I guess Joe Cheek is no longer sub'd, or he woulda chimed in on the Lycoris 
thread...

Regards, 
Tim

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Re: SxS Distro?

2002-06-01 Thread Richard R. Sivernell

List

   I too would like to be apart of a new distro, but I fear that it would take
some
time to outline just what we would want and at least a year or two to do such.
I also would hate it if that were started and never completed as per Lonnie's
remarks, very wise Lonnie.  While some of us lowly sub Linux type would
gravel to be in the present of Guru(s) the likes of NeLlama, Burns Kurt Les 
Skippy and the many others, I may not have all the time needed. I do have some
as I am trying to finish a degree in CSCI, so I can get a job again, but I do
carry 
a full load. I am in the midst of designing a new IDE for Linux using a xclass
library I found. It is somewhat outdated and I am bringing it up to latest ANSI -
ISO level with stl. While I still use Kdevelop, it does work but I do not like
QT.
I have grown very found of xfce  would want it on all my machines. I do have 
a possible scenerio here, What if, no it is not HPg, we took a distro that we
all
agreeded upon and rebuilt it. Also create a new installer program that would be
more to our liking. I have done some of that in the past, but would need good 
direction from our better people here. I think Skippy may just be on to something

down under with what he is doing. Am I off base  just rambling here? If there 
is a new roll our own, I would like to be apart of it, or any other direction
this list 
goes.

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Re: SxS Distro?

2002-06-01 Thread Collins

On Fri, 31 May 2002 19:24:32 -0500 Richard R. Sivernell
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 List
 
I too would like to be apart of a new distro, but I fear that it
would take
 some
 time to outline just what we would want and at least a year or two
 to do such.

[ snip ]

 I am in the midst of designing a new IDE for Linux using a xclass
 library I found. It is somewhat outdated and I am bringing it up to
 latest ANSI - ISO level with stl. While I still use Kdevelop, it
 does work but I do not like QT. ... I have grown very found of xfce
  would want it on all my machines. 
 

A few points:

1) A new linux distro is a lot of work and IMO about as useful as
t***s on a boar hog, as they say down south.

2) I think we would get a lot better mileage (extending Doug's
suggestion) with a repository of information on a few good distros
with pointers about how to get from new install to a stable, current,
upgradable system.  As Richard said, I like xfce on all my systems,
but the kde and gnome biggots are welcome, too.

3) On a side note, Richard, have you tried Python with the PyGtk
extension?  I'm working on a simple gui-based portage display and
installation package for gentoo.  PyGtk is pretty easy to use, but
it's not extremely well documented.

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Re: SxS Distro?

2002-06-01 Thread Michael Hipp

In Linuxdom, we have an embarrassment of riches of distros to choose
from. One to fit every taste  need. Is another really needed?

If we do build one, let's call it YALD - Yet Another Linux Distro

Michael

Douglas J Hunley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Seems a lot of potential talk about crafting our own distro.
 You folks serious? Who's got the time for this? I can manage the
 resources on the mothership for it, but unless people actually pledge
 some time to get it off the ground, I'm not gonna bother.
 So?
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Re: SxS Distro?

2002-06-01 Thread Ted Ozolins

On June 1, 2002 07:10 am, Collins wrote:


 but the kde and gnome biggots are welcome, too.

Collins, I thought you were more intelligent then that! 
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Re: SxS Distro?

2002-06-01 Thread Collins

On Sat, 1 Jun 2002 08:15:02 -0700 Ted Ozolins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On June 1, 2002 07:10 am, Collins wrote:
 
 
  but the kde and gnome biggots are welcome, too.
 
 Collins, I thought you were more intelligent then that! 

Not me.  I even load up kde occasionally just to see what progress
they are making.  I don't bother with gnome very often, though; I
can't stand the very different placement of the window controls.

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Re: SxS Distro?

2002-06-01 Thread Ted Ozolins

On June 1, 2002 08:32 am, Collins wrote:
 On Sat, 1 Jun 2002 08:15:02 -0700 Ted Ozolins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On June 1, 2002 07:10 am, Collins wrote:
   but the kde and gnome biggots are welcome, too.
 
  Collins, I thought you were more intelligent then that!

 Not me.  I even load up kde occasionally just to see what progress
 they are making.  I don't bother with gnome very often, though; I
 can't stand the very different placement of the window controls.

Ooops, sorry, I thought that was your post. Dang! I knew I should have had 
that cup of java first.
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Re: SxS Distro?

2002-06-01 Thread Collins

On Sat, 1 Jun 2002 09:12:40 -0700 Ted Ozolins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On June 1, 2002 08:32 am, Collins wrote:
  On Sat, 1 Jun 2002 08:15:02 -0700 Ted Ozolins [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
   On June 1, 2002 07:10 am, Collins wrote:
but the kde and gnome biggots are welcome, too.
  
   Collins, I thought you were more intelligent then that!
 
  Not me.  I even load up kde occasionally just to see what progress
  they are making.  I don't bother with gnome very often, though; I
  can't stand the very different placement of the window controls.
 
 Ooops, sorry, I thought that was your post. Dang! I knew I should
 have had that cup of java first.


no I meant not me, as in I'm not quite that intelligent, but I do get
by.

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Re: SxS Distro?

2002-06-01 Thread Andrew Mathews

Douglas J Hunley wrote:
 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
 Hash: SHA1
 
 Seems a lot of potential talk about crafting our own distro.
 You folks serious? Who's got the time for this? I can manage the resources on 
 the mothership for it, but unless people actually pledge some time to get it 
 off the ground, I'm not gonna bother.
 So?
snip

IIRC, that was one of the topics within the first day or two this list 
was started. (BTW, archives for July 2001 have posts about Untied (sic) 
Linux.) But nonetheless, I'd certainly be willing to have a go at it. I 
have the hardware, and I can work on it a minimum of 8 hrs. a week, 
probably more. What I don't have time for though, is doing the research 
required. Someone would need to do the searching for info and most 
likely write up the documentation (eventually becoming a new Step).
There would also be a need for people to test the product on platforms 
of all different types. If enough people (in a cast of votes) say yes, 
then I'd say lets start a new list for direct communication between the 
developers, create a central repository for updates, files, and 
documentation, and develop a reasonable means to reach a common ground 
or compromise to any issues such as which version of gcc to use, etc.
I definitely agree it shouldn't be a halfway effort, and we have some 
points to consider and/or include such as Skippy's current efforts. I 
*do* think it's worthy of more discussion and analysis and would like to 
hear more opinions.
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Re: SxS Distro?

2002-06-01 Thread Federico Voges

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Hi,

I can offer another 8 hours/week. I think we should start collecting
data about skills and dedication (Hs/week).

If we get enough people (and the requiered skills!), we can start
planning the development.

What you do think??

BTW, although I've been using Linux since 1994, I don't consider myself
a Linux guru. I have an idea of how the OS works, but I've never taken
the time to investigate the internals (specially OS boot and init). BUT
I'm willing to learn and I have a programming background (all I need is
a project leader to guide me).



On Sat, 01 Jun 2002 11:13:38 -0600, Andrew Mathews wrote:

Douglas J Hunley wrote:
 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
 Hash: SHA1
 
 Seems a lot of potential talk about crafting our own distro.
 You folks serious? Who's got the time for this? I can manage the resources on 
 the mothership for it, but unless people actually pledge some time to get it 
 off the ground, I'm not gonna bother.
 So?
snip

IIRC, that was one of the topics within the first day or two this list 
was started. (BTW, archives for July 2001 have posts about Untied (sic) 
Linux.) But nonetheless, I'd certainly be willing to have a go at it. I 
have the hardware, and I can work on it a minimum of 8 hrs. a week, 
probably more. What I don't have time for though, is doing the research 
required. Someone would need to do the searching for info and most 
likely write up the documentation (eventually becoming a new Step).
There would also be a need for people to test the product on platforms 
of all different types. If enough people (in a cast of votes) say yes, 
then I'd say lets start a new list for direct communication between the 
developers, create a central repository for updates, files, and 
documentation, and develop a reasonable means to reach a common ground 
or compromise to any issues such as which version of gcc to use, etc.
I definitely agree it shouldn't be a halfway effort, and we have some 
points to consider and/or include such as Skippy's current efforts. I 
*do* think it's worthy of more discussion and analysis and would like to 
hear more opinions.
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Re: SxS Distro?

2002-06-01 Thread R. Quenett

from Andrew Mathews:

 points to consider and/or include such as Skippy's current efforts. I 
 *do* think it's worthy of more discussion and analysis and would like to 
 hear more opinions.

I'm genuinely curious how what has been discussed here so far would 
differ significantly from http://www.linuxfromscratch.org and the
alfs and blfs offshoots.

Anyway, the feature I need most is a genuine idiot proof (it'd have to be 
good because I'd be using it myself:) way of knowing in detail what 
mods occur when I install/change something and reverting with 
certainty to the previous state.  For the latter, I've done partition 
cloning/reversion also for some considerable time.  It's a good way 
of climbing out of the pit but often doesn't help me much figuring 
out how I got that far under a pile of something that deep that smells 
_that_ bad.  And it only works if I revert the same partition that I 
changed, fancy that.

R
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Re: SxS Distro?

2002-06-01 Thread Richard R. Sivernell

On Sat, 01 Jun 2002 11:13:38 -0600

  I have expertise in software development databases  some scripting of
Unix korn bash, though not heavy. I ve a question here, I need a very small 
footprint database for linux. I have a laptop that currently has peanut on it
 I have left approx 1.6 gig left, I need to put Open Office and development 
tools and a small sql database. any recommendations. Mysql did not
ook good at first sight, Postgres is to large I think, Oracle/db 2 is out. If 
I have misjudged any thing let me know. I am going to be taking 2 courses the
at UNT this summer DatabaseConcepts  Unix sys programming, aka Linux
system programming. 1st course at 12 noon  2nd course at 8pm, to far to travel
back  forth for, so I will stay at school during afternoons. A, some time 
there too for work on distro, especially if I can get pcmcia to work  a lan
connection
at UNT.

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Re: SxS Distro?

2002-06-01 Thread Net Llama!

Andrew Mathews wrote:
 Douglas J Hunley wrote:
 Seems a lot of potential talk about crafting our own distro.
 You folks serious? Who's got the time for this? I can manage the 
 resources on the mothership for it, but unless people actually pledge 
 some time to get it off the ground, I'm not gonna bother.
 So?
 
 snip
 
 IIRC, that was one of the topics within the first day or two this list 
 was started. (BTW, archives for July 2001 have posts about Untied (sic) 
 Linux.) But nonetheless, I'd certainly be willing to have a go at it. I 
 have the hardware, and I can work on it a minimum of 8 hrs. a week, 
 probably more. What I don't have time for though, is doing the research 
 required. Someone would need to do the searching for info and most 
 likely write up the documentation (eventually becoming a new Step).
 There would also be a need for people to test the product on platforms 
 of all different types. If enough people (in a cast of votes) say yes, 
 then I'd say lets start a new list for direct communication between the 
 developers, create a central repository for updates, files, and 
 documentation, and develop a reasonable means to reach a common ground 
 or compromise to any issues such as which version of gcc to use, etc.
 I definitely agree it shouldn't be a halfway effort, and we have some 
 points to consider and/or include such as Skippy's current efforts. I 
 *do* think it's worthy of more discussion and analysis and would like to 
 hear more opinions.

Andrew makes an excellent suggestion here.  If we do finally get enough 
mmomentum behind this, we should create a new list, rather than 
cluttering up this one with content that those not involved wouldn't be 
interested in.

I'll even be so bold as to suggest that SourceForge might be well suited 
to managing such a project. ducks  runs



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Re: SxS Distro?

2002-06-01 Thread Net Llama!

Richard R. Sivernell wrote:
 On Sat, 01 Jun 2002 11:13:38 -0600
 
   I have expertise in software development databases  some scripting of
 Unix korn bash, though not heavy. I ve a question here, I need a very small 
 footprint database for linux. I have a laptop that currently has peanut on it
  I have left approx 1.6 gig left, I need to put Open Office and development 
 tools and a small sql database. any recommendations. Mysql did not
 ook good at first sight, Postgres is to large I think, Oracle/db 2 is out. If 

I agree that Oracle  DB2 couldn't, by any stretch of the imagination, 
be considered small footprint DBs.  PostgreSQL really doesn't occupy 
significantly more room (or memory) than MySQL, and is far more mature  
full featured.

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Re: SxS Distro?

2002-06-01 Thread Alan Jackson


Well I have negative spare time, but I'm willing to donate a few
positive spikes where I can. I'm really a perl guy, but I've used Unix
for about 13 years now, and I once worked up our company Unix file structure
and logon sequence. 

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Re: SxS Distro?

2002-06-01 Thread David Aikema

On June 1, 2002 03:40 pm, Federico Voges wrote:

 What DB features do you need?? mySQL is ok if you don't need
 transactions (COMMIT/ROLLBACK) and foreign keys. If you need then, you

Transactions and foreign keys are supported when using InnoDB tables, in some 
of the more recent MySQL versions IIRC.

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Re: SxS Distro?

2002-06-01 Thread Federico Voges

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Hi,

Yes, I know, but you need innodb and from reading the docs I got the
impression that it's somewhat complicated to use it (I might be wrong).

Besides, I think it is hack. Innodb (again, from mySQL docs) is a DB
system itself. So, you end up running a DB which runs ANOTHER DB.

mySQL was designed to be fast (really fast) but ended being a hack over
another (eg: tansaction support and foreign keys).

If you want a small fast DB mySQL is excelent. But, if you want a full
featured SQL database, use PostgreSQL.

BTW, mySQL (last time I checked didn't support stored procedures, at
least not coded in SQL). Postgres does (another big plus for large
projects).

On Sat, 01 Jun 2002 16:28:39 -0700, David Aikema wrote:

On June 1, 2002 03:40 pm, Federico Voges wrote:

 What DB features do you need?? mySQL is ok if you don't need
 transactions (COMMIT/ROLLBACK) and foreign keys. If you need then, you

Transactions and foreign keys are supported when using InnoDB tables, in some 
of the more recent MySQL versions IIRC.

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Re: SxS Distro?

2002-06-01 Thread Keith Antoine

On Saturday 01 June 2002 10:21 pm, you wrote:

 I'd rather see us keep an updated distros page, the info here
 http://www.linux-sxs.org/distrourl.html and here
 http://www.linux-sxs.org/distroref.html
 seems dated. The lycoris thread has some good info on alternative distros,
 as does a couple other threads.
 Perhaps we'd be better served *endorsing* a distro, or coupla distro's and
 maintaining an updated distro's section than trying to roll our own.
 BTW, has anybody tried the SxS on rolling your own (Skippy?),
 http://www.linux-sxs.org/rolldist.html ?
 I guess Joe Cheek is no longer sub'd, or he woulda chimed in on the Lycoris
 thread...

 Regards,
 Tim

Yes I did read this epistle of Josephs', somewhat totuous for my brain so I 
have tried emailing him to see if he is still alive and kicking. However do 
not know as yet if the mail address is alive also.

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Re: SxS Distro?

2002-06-01 Thread Keith Antoine

On Sunday 02 June 2002 06:58 am, you wrote:
 from Andrew Mathews:

  points to consider and/or include such as Skippy's current efforts. I
  *do* think it's worthy of more discussion and analysis and would like to
  hear more opinions.

 I'm genuinely curious how what has been discussed here so far would
 differ significantly from http://www.linuxfromscratch.org and the
 alfs and blfs offshoots.

I did get that far and dropped it about 2 weeks ago as it appeared not the 
way to go for me. Do not ak why, it was over 5 mins ago.

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Re: SxS Distro?

2002-06-01 Thread Keith Antoine

On Sunday 02 June 2002 09:09 am, you wrote:

 Andrew makes an excellent suggestion here.  If we do finally get enough
 mmomentum behind this, we should create a new list, rather than
 cluttering up this one with content that those not involved wouldn't be
 interested in.

 I'll even be so bold as to suggest that SourceForge might be well suited
 to managing such a project. ducks  runs

I did raise this point a while ago but the traffic looked as if it was 
falling off, so did not persue. However we do have a 'general' list here to 
start with, some are subbed in I am but no traffic so why not use this. If it 
grows thats another ballgame, however I am in it for selfish reasons, what I 
can get out of it in the way of an easily upgradeable and installable distro.
I have machinery and time but no knowledge of install scripts or programming.
I am looking at rpm specs at the moment, and merrily converting tarballs and 
.src.rpms into installable rpms on 3.1.1 along with dependant files.

What I am doing is the easy part but I am also learning: I just never thought 
that I would have enough brains left at nearly 70 to even think about it.
This all came about since my last two girlfriends fell over laughing when I 
put my thongs on. 

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Re: SxS Distro?

2002-06-01 Thread R. Quenett

from Keith Antoine:

 way to go for me. Do not ak why, it was over 5 mins ago.

What was the question(?p

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Re: SxS Distro?

2002-06-01 Thread Tim Wunder

On Saturday 01 June 2002 08:41 pm, Keith Antoine wrote:
 On Saturday 01 June 2002 10:21 pm, you wrote:
snip
  BTW, has anybody tried the SxS on rolling your own (Skippy?),
  http://www.linux-sxs.org/rolldist.html ?
  I guess Joe Cheek is no longer sub'd, or he woulda chimed in on the
  Lycoris thread...

 Yes I did read this epistle of Josephs', somewhat totuous for my brain so I
 have tried emailing him to see if he is still alive and kicking. However do
 not know as yet if the mail address is alive also.

When Lycoris was RedmondLinux, and just starting out, he was very responsive 
to e-mails and answered just about every post on the RL mailing list (I was 
sub'd for a little while). It seems he's met with a little success, and as a 
result, I imagine his available time isn't what it used to be :-(

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Re: SxS Distro?

2002-06-01 Thread Andrew Mathews

Keith Antoine wrote:
snip
 This all came about since my last two girlfriends fell over laughing when I 
 put my thongs on. 

Be grateful they were laughing, not crying. slap
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Re: SxS Distro?

2002-06-01 Thread Andrew Mathews

R. Quenett wrote:
snip
 I'm genuinely curious how what has been discussed here so far would 
 differ significantly from http://www.linuxfromscratch.org and the
 alfs and blfs offshoots.

I think the immediately apparent difference would be the end product 
being a complete distribution vs. a here's the tools, build it 
yourself package. That is, if my take on the hamburger/house comparison 
listed on their page is an accurate description, *and* if that's the 
agreed upon, completed build we're contemplating.

 Anyway, the feature I need most is a genuine idiot proof (it'd have to be 
 good because I'd be using it myself:) way of knowing in detail what 
 mods occur when I install/change something and reverting with 
 certainty to the previous state.  For the latter, I've done partition 
 cloning/reversion also for some considerable time.  It's a good way 
 of climbing out of the pit but often doesn't help me much figuring 
 out how I got that far under a pile of something that deep that smells 
 _that_ bad.  And it only works if I revert the same partition that I 
 changed, fancy that.

Yes, a variety of choice is always good, none of us like having options 
hidden from us in an attempt to idiot-proof the OS. Maybe a list of 
diagnostics such as:
Restore my system and
Diagnose what's broken
and an installation list of:
New user install,
Let me try it, and
I'm an expert

Also, would it be a good idea to have a small, hidden partition 
containing enough config files to be able to restore from the install cd 
back to a last known good state?
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Re: SxS Distro?

2002-06-01 Thread Richard R. Sivernell

On Sat, 01 Jun 2002 20:55:23 -0300
David /  Federico Voges

   Only need enogh db to write sql queries I think, doing a db concepts course.
I am not sure of how much capability or if a db program is to designed.

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Re: SxS Distro?

2002-06-01 Thread Richard R. Sivernell

Lonnie

   I have Postgres here and wilwork on getting it installed.
cheers

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SxS Distro?

2002-05-31 Thread Douglas J Hunley

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Seems a lot of potential talk about crafting our own distro.
You folks serious? Who's got the time for this? I can manage the resources on 
the mothership for it, but unless people actually pledge some time to get it 
off the ground, I'm not gonna bother.
So?
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Re: SxS Distro?

2002-05-31 Thread Keith Antoine

On Saturday 01 June 2002 11:54 am, you wrote:
 Seems a lot of potential talk about crafting our own distro.
 You folks serious? Who's got the time for this? I can manage the resources
 on the mothership for it, but unless people actually pledge some time to
 get it off the ground, I'm not gonna bother.
 So?

I said a while ago that I would be using Caldera 2.4 and upodating this. Also 
that I would upload to the site when I was finished and that I would be 
asking questions. It had since alterred from 2.4 which would not install on 
my h/w, neither would ltp or 3.0 to 3.1.1. I am NOT competant to alter the cd 
installation of such a distro but I am updating all I can of the rpms plus 
others that I use in video straeming and video playing. I want help as to how 
I make rpms of kernel sources ( hand holding), and anything else that i 
cannot get checkinstall to make rpms for me.

One thing that I do have over most here is 'TIME' , or whats left of it in 
this life.

I have kernel 2.4.18 and kde 3.0.1 plus xfree4.2, which are the major 'wants' 
of most for Caldera, to actually compile and turn into rpms. Its the spec 
file aspect that has me by the short and curlies, it might as well be a 
martian play. Can anyone edify me in simple terms as to its creation.

The machine is powerful and lost of disk space plus memory.

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18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australia PH:61733002161
Retired Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage

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Re: SxS Distro?

2002-05-31 Thread Net Llama!

Douglas J Hunley wrote:
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 Seems a lot of potential talk about crafting our own distro.
 You folks serious? Who's got the time for this? I can manage the resources on 
 the mothership for it, but unless people actually pledge some time to get it 
 off the ground, I'm not gonna bother.
 So?

I'm quite interested, however i don't want to start devoting time to 
this unless others are serious about it.  But serious i mean, you have 
the time to devote, and *will* devote it.  Doing it half way is worse 
than not bothering.

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Re: SxS Distro?

2002-05-31 Thread Kurt Wall

On Fri, 31 May 2002 Douglas J Hunley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Seems a lot of potential talk about crafting our own distro.
 You folks serious? Who's got the time for this? I can manage the resources on 
 the mothership for it, but unless people actually pledge some time to get it 
 off the ground, I'm not gonna bother.
 So?

I'd have to pass. Work and a book project suck up my time and I'm not
terribly interested in working with another RPM-based distribution.

Kurt
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