[REBOL] official guide, again Re:
Coming soon. Not available yet. At 07:51 PM 4/9/00 -0500, you wrote: I see bn.com lists REBOL: The Official Guide as "available" and "ships 1-2 weeks" Weird. Must be a bug. while amazon.com says "this title is not yet available." They know what they are talking about. Meanwhile, the chapters previously posted in the McGraw-Hill Bet@ Books section are non-existant. Hmmm, I wonder why. Is the book available yet, or not? No, but soon. Thanks. ;- Elan [: - )]
[REBOL] Searchable archive/ tcp/ip questions Re:(2)
Hello Kevin, This can be determined by reading from dns:// print read dns://; reads the hostname sparky-home If I do this: print read dns:// india "India" is my computer's name on the network, not from the ISP. print read rejoin [dns:// read dns://] ; same as read dns://sparky-home 209.52.202.215 print read rejoin [dns:// read dns://] 192.168.0.1 This is my network's address, not the ISP one. print read rejoin [dns:// read rejoin [dns:// read dns://]] ; FQDN, ;same as read dns://209.52.202.215 sparky-home.staff.sunshinecable.com Gves me: print read rejoin [dns:// read rejoin [dns:// read dns://]] INDIA Again, not IP number I (and [EMAIL PROTECTED]) was looking for. ;o( Can you help me? Thanks, Rachid
[REBOL] official guide, again Re:(2)
Is anyone else seeing a close similarity to Micro$oft here? Paul From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [REBOL] official guide, again Re: Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 23:05:38 -0700 Is the book available yet, or not? No, but soon. Thanks. ;- Elan [: - )] __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
[REBOL] official guide, again Re:(3)
I am impelled to say something in Elan's defense here. As the publisher of several hundred books and author of over 80, I can tell you that book publishing is an oftentimes tedious, always very complicated process with numerous levels to be achieved and resolved. Sometimes the public does not understand and we get yelled at for being "slow" when we are moving heaven and earth to ship titles. Many things in this process are beyond the control of author or even publisher, especially book manufacturers who tend to take their own jolly good time and the heck with the publishers announced schedule. Yes, I would love to have Amazon.com ship my copy on order of REBOL: THE OFFICIAL GUIDE, but I know it will come when it comes and that I will then find Elan's Herculean effort in writing it to be of great benefit. The current delay is far beyond the control of either Elan or REBOL Technologies. But it will come. As the immortal Orson Welles said (albeit in one of his more commercial moments) "No wine before its time." Of course, these delays do explain why publishers and writers often drink a lot of wineg, it's a stressful biz. -- Ralph Roberts, CEO Alexander Books / Creativity, Inc. 65 Macedonia Road Alexander, NC 28701 1-800-472-0438 voice fax tollfree U.S. Canada 1-828-255-8719 voice fax overseas See Ralph's latest bestsellers at: http://abooks.com/genealogy http://autograph-book.com And my company's online auctions: http://booksave.com Wholesale to the Public Book Auction http://blue-gray.com Civil War Auction http://tennesseestars.com All TENNESSEE THINGS Auction http://bookauction.net Buy Books Net Instead of Retail! http://a-aa.com/gem GEM METALWORKERS AUCTION http://a-aa.com/nc DOWN HOME IN NORTH CAROLINA AUCTION http://sigs.net/auction Sigs.NET Autograph Auction Is anyone else seeing a close similarity to Micro$oft here? Paul From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [REBOL] official guide, again Re: Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 23:05:38 -0700 Is the book available yet, or not? No, but soon. Thanks. ;- Elan [: - )] __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
[REBOL] Searchable archive/ tcp/ip questions Re:(3)
Hi, it's easy, try this: print system/network/host-address 194.213.219.17 If it prints your other IP address (in your example 192.168.0.1), try to change the order of network adapters in Windows network settings. -- Michal Kracik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Kevin, This can be determined by reading from dns:// print read dns://; reads the hostname sparky-home If I do this: print read dns:// india "India" is my computer's name on the network, not from the ISP. print read rejoin [dns:// read dns://] ; same as read dns://sparky-home 209.52.202.215 print read rejoin [dns:// read dns://] 192.168.0.1 This is my network's address, not the ISP one. print read rejoin [dns:// read rejoin [dns:// read dns://]] ; FQDN, ;same as read dns://209.52.202.215 sparky-home.staff.sunshinecable.com Gves me: print read rejoin [dns:// read rejoin [dns:// read dns://]] INDIA Again, not IP number I (and [EMAIL PROTECTED]) was looking for. ;o( Can you help me? Thanks, Rachid
[REBOL] free web hosting with rebol Re:
Hello kracik, Sunday, April 09, 2000, 3:15:01 AM, you wrote: kmdc you can use free.prohosting.com, but you have to upload REBOL yourself. kmdc You can run my example REBOL script at kmdc http://hammer.prohosting.com/~rebol/cgi-bin/cgitest.cgi I didn't understand well,can I upload REBOL by myself??? I thought that it has to have some permits to run on that server... This means that probably it'll work with other providers too? (If it works you made my day :-)) How shall I do it? Just upload the rebol.exe ? Thank you for your answer. -- Best regards, VICTORmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[REBOL] free web hosting with rebol Re:(2)
On Mon, 10 Apr 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't understand well,can I upload REBOL by myself??? I thought that it has to have some permits to run on that server... Well, if you have a shell accout, then you are more or less the master of whatever the disk space the sys admin gives you. How shall I do it? Just upload the rebol.exe ? Find out which operating system your ISP uses and upload the right rebol distro to your account, then install rebol, and enjoy. Jacek Artymiak --- Autor/Dziennikarz/Konsultant - Author/Journalist/Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.wszechnica.safenet.pl co-author: StarOffice for Linux Bible (IDG Books Worldwide, Inc.) http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0764533630/polskawszechnica ---
[REBOL] Experienced Rebol Users Wanted
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[REBOL] System object documentation Re:(2)
Thanks Allen K. This is what I need all right! Tim At 09:03 AM 4/10/00 +1000, you wrote: Hi Tim, Best way to learn what is in the system object, is to use Bo's browse-system.r script from Rebol.org archives. http://www.rebol.org/utility/browse-system.r. Many of the entries in the system can also be accessed through mezzanine functions. e.g source what-dir what-dir: func [ "Prints the active directory path" ][system/script/path ] The note on not using source system is in the FAQ. http://www.rebol.com/faq.html From the FAQ " Q. I find that when I type SOURCE SYSTEM, SOURCE REBOL, or PRINT SYSTEM, the computer will lock up. Why? A. Viewing the system object should only be done with care. Future revisions of the system object are going to change, therefore, use the mezzanine level functions to access system object information when possible. With that said, here is an example of viewing the system object: print mold first system [self version product words options user script console ports network schemes error standard] print system/product Core WARNING: DO NOT enter 'print mold second system' or 'print mold system' since this will cause the interpreter to hang. " Cheers Allen K - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 10, 2000 8:36 AM Subject: [REBOL] [REBOL] System object documentation I can't seem to find documentation on the system object. Dictionary says: "For advanced discussion on system, see the Users Guide" But I find little or nothing on the subject. I also note that even Rebol/View locks up (on Windows NT) when I attempt print mold system or probe system. Where can I find complete documentation? thanks tim
[REBOL] official guide, again Re:(3)
Unfortunately, vaporware is every where. I ordered a book on Python from Amazon in August, and just got it. It is worth the wait, however. The authors indicated both that the publisher tends to jump the gun, and that they were held up by delays in Windows 2000. Life is a chain of contingencies!! tj At 07:57 AM 4/10/00 +, you wrote: Is anyone else seeing a close similarity to Micro$oft here? Paul From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [REBOL] official guide, again Re: Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 23:05:38 -0700 Is the book available yet, or not? No, but soon. Thanks. ;- Elan [: - )] __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
[REBOL] free web hosting with rebol Re:(2)
Hi, Yes, you need to upload a version of REBOL executable for BSDI (not Windows rebol.exe) and set its permissions. It is possible with free.prohosting.com, but I don't know of any other free hosting service that allows you to run CGI programs. Since you are the third person to ask on this ML in a week, I give up and post my incomplete guide written in terrible English at: http://hammer.prohosting.com/~rebol/rebol-cgi-prohosting.html Write me if you succeed in running REBOL on Prohosting following this guide. -- Michal Kracik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello kracik, Sunday, April 09, 2000, 3:15:01 AM, you wrote: kmdc you can use free.prohosting.com, but you have to upload REBOL yourself. kmdc You can run my example REBOL script at kmdc http://hammer.prohosting.com/~rebol/cgi-bin/cgitest.cgi I didn't understand well,can I upload REBOL by myself??? I thought that it has to have some permits to run on that server... This means that probably it'll work with other providers too? (If it works you made my day :-)) How shall I do it? Just upload the rebol.exe ? Thank you for your answer. -- Best regards, VICTORmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[REBOL] [REBOL] System object documentation Re:
use Bo's browse-system.r script from http://www.rebol.org/utility/index.html either download it, or type these two commands in a Rebol window browse: read http://www.rebol.org/utility/browse-system.r do browse At 02:36 PM 4/9/00 -0800, you wrote: I can't seem to find documentation on the system object. Dictionary says: "For advanced discussion on system, see the Users Guide" But I find little or nothing on the subject. I also note that even Rebol/View locks up (on Windows NT) when I attempt print mold system or probe system. Where can I find complete documentation? thanks tim
[REBOL] RE: sendmail
I second the motion. REBOL should pipe output to sendmail. My web host offers its 150,000 customers POP/IMAP mailboxes but not SMTP. Mail can be received, but not sent, at least not by SMTP. Sendmail is the only way. One can log into Unix and type sendmail commands in the terminal window. One can also write procmail scripts. The company told me there was no way for them to authenticate SMTP, so they had to shut it down. This kind of thing is happening all over the web. Sendmail is mandatory for any sort of newsletter or discussion list run over e-mail. And procmail "recipes" are exactly the sort of cryptic, error-prone Unix syntax that REBOL could replace. Some people suggest running SMTP servers from home. To me it's not a good idea. The whole point of using a hosting firm is to let them handle 24/7 uptime and server hardware costs and software configuration. Mark -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2000 8:00 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [REBOL] REBOL CGI's and sendmail Is it possible to write a CGI script in REBOL which uses sendmail? [snip]
[REBOL] sendmail Re:(2)
This is a very important issue, since one of REBOL's selling points is ease-of- use. I second the motion. REBOL should pipe output to sendmail.
[REBOL] sendmail Re:(2)
Why don't you write a IMAP protocol for REBOL? Douglas Vos - EDS/GM-BSU Webmaster e-Mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 10, 2000 1:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [REBOL] RE: sendmail I second the motion. REBOL should pipe output to sendmail. My web host offers its 150,000 customers POP/IMAP mailboxes but not SMTP. Mail can be received, but not sent, at least not by SMTP. Sendmail is the only way. One can log into Unix and type sendmail commands in the terminal window. One can also write procmail scripts. The company told me there was no way for them to authenticate SMTP, so they had to shut it down. This kind of thing is happening all over the web. Sendmail is mandatory for any sort of newsletter or discussion list run over e-mail. And procmail "recipes" are exactly the sort of cryptic, error-prone Unix syntax that REBOL could replace. Some people suggest running SMTP servers from home. To me it's not a good idea. The whole point of using a hosting firm is to let them handle 24/7 uptime and server hardware costs and software configuration. Mark -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2000 8:00 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [REBOL] REBOL CGI's and sendmail Is it possible to write a CGI script in REBOL which uses sendmail? [snip]
[REBOL] sendmail Re:(2)
Mark wrote: I second the motion. REBOL should pipe output to sendmail. This should be possible once REBOL/Command becomes available. This next bit is kind of off-topic, please forgive me. My web host offers its 150,000 customers POP/IMAP mailboxes but not SMTP. CLIP The company told me there was no way for them to authenticate SMTP, so they had to shut it down. This kind of thing is happening all over the web. 150k customers, and they can't figure out how to configure sendmail properly? Time for them to hire a real mail administrator, methinks. It's a very simple process to enable the access db, just add to the M4 config file: FEATURE(`access_db', `hash -o /etc/mail/access')dnl and list in /etc/mail/access the IP address(es) of their web/hosting servers. (Will deny open relaying, but allow their own servers access.) Cheers, Kev Kevin McKinnon, Network Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sunshine Communications http://www.sunshinecable.com PGP Public Key: http://www.dockmaster.net/pgp.html PGP 6.0 www.pgp.com
[REBOL] Re: free web hosting with rebol Re:
Hi folks, I'm new at Rebol, and I would like to have som thoughts of mine straighted out or confirmed: 1. A Rebol script can be used to fetch data from a textfile and put the data into a HTML template, thus creating an unique web page? In this way one may render lots of documents of the same kind, but with unique data, such as a list of products where each product is linked to a script-generated information page? 2. A Rebol script can be used in the way above, but on the server side, reading data from a text file for input to the HTML template. In this way, Rebol may serve the same function as Visual Basic or Javascript within an Active Server Page? 3. Which one of the two above methods is preferred -- rendering unique web pages with a script or having the script read data "on the fly" thus providing dynamic web pages? I would be really glad to get some ideas on this, and maybe even some code that I can play around with to learn from. Thanks! Kind regards, Martin Lindholm
[REBOL] Using Rebol with HTML templates, reading dynamic data -- is it possible?
Hi folks, Oops, sorry for posting the same message twice -- I got the wrong subject in the last one. I'm new at Rebol, and I would like to have som thoughts of mine straighted out or confirmed: 1. A Rebol script can be used to fetch data from a textfile and put the data into a HTML template, thus creating an unique web page? In this way one may render lots of documents of the same kind, but with unique data, such as a list of products where each product is linked to a script-generated information page? 2. A Rebol script can be used in the way above, but on the server side, reading data from a text file for input to the HTML template. In this way, Rebol may serve the same function as Visual Basic or Javascript within an Active Server Page? 3. Which one of the two above methods is preferred -- rendering unique web pages with a script or having the script read data "on the fly" thus providing dynamic web pages? I would be really glad to get some ideas on this, and maybe even some code that I can play around with to learn from. Thanks! Kind regards, Martin Lindholm
[REBOL] free web hosting with rebol Re:(3)
Martin Lindholm wrote: I'm new at Rebol, and I would like to have some thoughts of mine straighted out or confirmed: Welcome to the list! 1. A Rebol script can be used to fetch data from a textfile and put the data into a HTML template, thus creating an unique web page? In this way one may render lots of documents of the same kind, but with unique data, such as a list of products where each product is linked to a script-generated information page? Yes. Have a look at my HTML script on http://www.rebol.org for an example. Plus various other similar systems from Carl and others. 2. A Rebol script can be used in the way above, but on the server side, reading data from a text file for input to the HTML template. In this way, Rebol may serve the same function as Visual Basic or Javascript within an Active Server Page? Yes, by using the Apache REBOL module or as a CGI process. Or, lacking those, using prebuilt pages output from a rebol script. 3. Which one of the two above methods is preferred -- rendering unique web pages with a script or having the script read data "on the fly" thus providing dynamic web pages? If your information is static, static HTML pages would be quicker. If your information is changing with each click, then the Apache module would be quickest, followed by the REBOL in CGI mode. I would be really glad to get some ideas on this, and maybe even some code that I can play around with to learn from. Thanks! http://www.rebol.org and the examples on http://www.rebol.com I hope that helps! Andrew Martin ICQ: 26227169 http://members.xoom.com/AndrewMartin/ --
[REBOL] RE: sendmail Re:(2)
To answer respondents - IMAP is a nice protocol but it's receive-only, as is POP. Neither one of them has anything to do with sending email. (SMTP is for that.) The web host company has sendmail working fine. I am using it (and procmail). The problem is, I can't exercise sendmail from a REBOL script even though they have REBOL on the server. The company claims it can't provide authenticated SMTP and are faced with a choice of "open-relay" SMTP (spam-bait) or nothing. So they provide nothing so far as SMTP is concerned. They told me this inability to authenticate SMTP was a function of their Sun Solaris 2.7/Apache server software. (If anyone has ideas how they could configure authenticated SMTP I would be glad to hear about it. Mark
[REBOL] [REBOL]string to series function
I would like to have a function to do the following 1)take two strings as arguments a)arg one is source b) arg two is delimiters 2)return a series it would work like this: my-series: string-to-series "one#two%three four" "#% " my-series is returned as ["one" "two" "three" "four"] BTW: I have a c function that does this. With subsequent function calls, it is about 40 lines of code. I'm pretty lost when it comes to parse, but I bet the rebol function would be shorter. thanks tim
[REBOL] [REBOL]string to series function Re:(2)
Hi Sterling, one little detail: your approach works well enough with this particular example because space is one of the desired delimiters. Conceivably Tim may want a more universal solution that enables him to determine whether or not he wants to include spaces in his parse rule. In that case IMHO it would be more appropriate to use parse's all refinement and - for the sake of this particular example - include space explicitly as a delimiter in the rule: With space: parse/all "one#two%three four" "%# " == ["one" "two" "three" "four"] Without space parse/all "one#two%three four" "%#" == ["one" "two" "three four"] Note that the second version returns "three four" as one string because space is not included in the rule. At 09:06 PM 4/10/00 -0700, you wrote: You really ought to just try these things. ;) You'll be surprised at what you find. parse "one#two%three four" "#%" == ["one" "two" "three" "four"] Sterling I would like to have a function to do the following 1)take two strings as arguments a)arg one is source b) arg two is delimiters 2)return a series it would work like this: my-series: string-to-series "one#two%three four" "#% " my-series is returned as ["one" "two" "three" "four"] BTW: I have a c function that does this. With subsequent function calls, it is about 40 lines of code. I'm pretty lost when it comes to parse, but I bet the rebol function would be shorter. thanks tim ;- Elan [: - )]
[REBOL] [REBOL]string to series function Re:(2)
Sterling: Wow!! That's just what I wanted. tj At 09:06 PM 4/10/00 -0700, you wrote: You really ought to just try these things. ;) You'll be surprised at what you find. parse "one#two%three four" "#%" == ["one" "two" "three" "four"] Sterling I would like to have a function to do the following 1)take two strings as arguments a)arg one is source b) arg two is delimiters 2)return a series it would work like this: my-series: string-to-series "one#two%three four" "#% " my-series is returned as ["one" "two" "three" "four"] BTW: I have a c function that does this. With subsequent function calls, it is about 40 lines of code. I'm pretty lost when it comes to parse, but I bet the rebol function would be shorter. thanks tim
[REBOL] Using Rebol with HTML templates, reading dynamic data -- is it possible? Re:
Hi Martin, At 11:56 PM 4/10/00 +0200, you wrote: 1. A Rebol script can be used to fetch data from a textfile and put the data into a HTML template, thus creating an unique web page? In this way one may render lots of documents of the same kind, but with unique data, such as a list of products where each product is linked to a script-generated information page? That is correct. This can be done offline, i.e. creating static webpages. 2. A Rebol script can be used in the way above, but on the server side, reading data from a text file for input to the HTML template. In this way, Rebol may serve the same function as Visual Basic or Javascript within an Active Server Page? Absolutely. 3. Which one of the two above methods is preferred -- rendering unique web pages with a script or having the script read data "on the fly" thus providing dynamic web pages? It depends on what you are trying to do, what resources are available on your machine and how many hits you expect to process. As a rule, static Web pages are of course less resource hungry and more stable. I would only use dynamic Web pages if the data changes often enough to justify the additional overhead on the server side. Or if the ratio of expected number of hits vs. the resources available on the machine is ridiculously low. I would be really glad to get some ideas on this, and maybe even some code that I can play around with to learn from. Thanks! Look at Andrew's HTML Dialect in the archive at www.rebol.org. Hope this helps, ;- Elan [: - )]
[REBOL] [REBOL]string to series function Re:(3)
Fair enough. I have little time to give a complete course on parse so I went for the shortest version. I expected to see a few other responses to this thread as well and sure enough the old-time REBOL-masters of the outside world give a more full answer than us insiders have time for. Take it easy guys, Sterling Hi Sterling, one little detail: your approach works well enough with this particular example because space is one of the desired delimiters. Conceivably Tim may want a more universal solution that enables him to determine whether or not he wants to include spaces in his parse rule. In that case IMHO it would be more appropriate to use parse's all refinement and - for the sake of this particular example - include space explicitly as a delimiter in the rule: With space: parse/all "one#two%three four" "%# " == ["one" "two" "three" "four"] Without space parse/all "one#two%three four" "%#" == ["one" "two" "three four"] Note that the second version returns "three four" as one string because space is not included in the rule.
