crashspace

2003-09-02 Thread Jody Belka
Hi,

I know this is late notice (as always; will I ever learn?), but does
anyone have any crashspace available for thursday and/or friday?

Thanks in advance,

Jody




Re: insidious biometrics, identity crises

2003-09-02 Thread Piers Cawley
Elaine -HFB- Ashton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Piers Cawley [EMAIL PROTECTED] quoth:
 *
 *CwG: Right, you have seven days to produce your ID card at any police
 *station -- here's the appropriate bit of paper to bring along with it.
 *Me: Right ho. Have a nice day.

 I don't know that you could get away with that in the US as they'd track
 down the owner of the car after 7 days

What car are you talking about? There is no car.




Re: compression (was: gzipping your websites)

2003-09-02 Thread Sam Vilain
On Mon, 01 Sep 2003 21:11, Tom Hukins wrote;

   Also, I suspect the case for bzip2 becomes stronger in the future.
   Assume Moore's Law continues to hold for CPU speed increase.  Disk
   and

This argument is irrelevant in general, because the size of files to
be compressed in general also increases with Moore's law.  Just look
at the Linux kernel source tree :-).

   memory capabilities increase faster, so none of these things
   matter as much as now.  Bandwidth increases less rapidly than
   other factors[1], so for downloading files over the Internet, size
   becomes relatively more important.

An algorithm like `lzop' would be best for on-the-fly compression
IMHO.
-- 
Sam Vilain, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  The first duty of a revolutionary is to get away with it.
ABBIE HOFFMAN




Re: Fave calendering software?

2003-09-02 Thread Paul Makepeace
Je 2003-08-29 07:11:42 +0100, Paul Sharpe skribis:
 Paul Makepeace wrote:
 
 Basic hour-by-hour, daily, weekly, monthly, yearly views. Something that
 produces HTML output for inclusion or direct embeddable on the web would

 I like Mozilla calendar:
 
   * RFC2445
   * Multiple calendars which can be overlayed in any view
   * Remote calendars with WebDAV

Thanks for this - I've been using it a little while now and it seems pretty
effective. I'm using latest .xpi from http://mozilla.org/projects/calendar
in Firebird 0.6.1 and it's working fine (haven't tried the web upload
yet).

The only challenge was /running/ the damn thing. I have no idea how to
launch it from Firebird. It's possible to launch FB from it by clicking
on the M logo but the selected profile is ignored (at least bookmarks
didn't show up). Anyone?

My solution: firebird -calendar and then use a different profile (I
created a Calendar profile).

Paul

-- 
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What is the colour of air? It's all circles within squares.
   -- http://paulm.com/toys/surrealism/



Re: Fave calendering software?

2003-09-02 Thread Jody Belka
On Tue, 2 Sep 2003, Paul Makepeace wrote:
 The only challenge was /running/ the damn thing. I have no idea how to
 launch it from Firebird. It's possible to launch FB from it by clicking
 on the M logo but the selected profile is ignored (at least bookmarks
 didn't show up). Anyone?

Yep, install the QuickTools extension pointed to from the calender page
and then use the Calender menu item that can now be found under Tools.


Jody




Re: Fave calendering software?

2003-09-02 Thread Sam Vilain
On Tue, 02 Sep 2003 01:17, Paul Makepeace wrote;

   The only challenge was /running/ the damn thing. I have no idea
   how to launch it from Firebird. It's possible to launch FB from it
   by clicking on the M logo but the selected profile is ignored (at
   least bookmarks didn't show up). Anyone?

Obviously you've never pointed Mozzy to this URL then:

chrome://navigator/content/navigator.xul

-- 
Sam Vilain, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  The most merciful thing in the world ...  is the inability of the
human mind to correlate all its contents.
H P LOVECRAFT




Re: Fave calendering software?

2003-09-02 Thread Mike Jarvis
On Tue, Sep 02, 2003 at 01:35:46AM +0100, Jody Belka wrote:
 On Tue, 2 Sep 2003, Paul Makepeace wrote:
  The only challenge was /running/ the damn thing. I have no idea how to
  launch it from Firebird. It's possible to launch FB from it by clicking
  on the M logo but the selected profile is ignored (at least bookmarks
  didn't show up). Anyone?
 
 Yep, install the QuickTools extension pointed to from the calender page
 and then use the Calender menu item that can now be found under Tools.

Which is one of my big fears with Firebird becoming Browser (that
is, the only mozilla browser).  the guys running it are still wedded
to the idea of pushing everything into extensions.  Last I saw they
still weren't going to add a menu item to switch style sheets on the
reasoning that you can download an extention to do it.   I think even
fewer people will want to use Moz if it's nothing but gecko with
plugins.

I like the idea of a slim, quick browser, but I think they may be
getting too religious about it.

-- 
mike



Re: insidious biometrics, identity crises

2003-09-02 Thread Elaine -HFB- Ashton
Piers Cawley [EMAIL PROTECTED] quoth:
*
* I don't know that you could get away with that in the US as they'd track
* down the owner of the car after 7 days
*
*What car are you talking about? There is no car.

Perhaps you forgot in this long pointless thread, that you started picking
on drivers licenses. 

e.



Re: Fave calendering software?

2003-09-02 Thread Dominic Mitchell
Mike Jarvis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Which is one of my big fears with Firebird becoming Browser (that
 is, the only mozilla browser).  the guys running it are still wedded
 to the idea of pushing everything into extensions.  Last I saw they
 still weren't going to add a menu item to switch style sheets on the
 reasoning that you can download an extention to do it.   I think even
 fewer people will want to use Moz if it's nothing but gecko with
 plugins.

The nightlies of FireBird have a stylesheet switcher icon in the bottom
left.   No extensions needed.  I presume that this will find its way
into the next version.

One thing I think should be a browser builtin feature (and should have
been since about 1994) are the nav buttons.  They're firebird's
replacement for mozilla's site navigation bar.  The nice thing about
using these in FireBird is that it's got a customisable toolbar, so you
only get the bits you want.

http://texturizer.net/firebird/extensions/#NavButtons

-Dom

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Re: gzipping your websites WINRAR 40 days trial

2003-09-02 Thread Dominic Mitchell
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I used to be annoyed when someone zipped and the rared. Winzip cannot even
 handle this yet. Nowadays I can just say that RAR is more universial the
 Zip.

That seem unlikely at best.  I'd never even heard of winrar until
somebody at work pointed it out to me...  It's certainly not what I'd
call anywhere close to being standard or universal.

For the benefit of people likely to come up against Yet Another
Compression Format, though:

http://files10.rarlab.com/rar/unrarsrc-3.2.3.tar.gz

-Dom

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Re: gzipping your websites

2003-09-02 Thread Philip Newton
On 1 Sep 2003 at 21:58, Tim Sweetman wrote:

 Does all this negotiation run into hot water with legacy p(r)oxy caches?

I believe someone mentioned that they couldn't get their cache to cache 
the contents if they sent the proper HTTP header (Vary: encoding, I 
believe, meaning Hey, proxy, the result of fetching this URL depends 
on the Encoding header the client sends, so only send back this stuff 
to clients with the same header as the one you're making this request 
on behalf of).

Cheers,
Philip
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Re: gzipping your websites

2003-09-02 Thread Dominic Mitchell
Philip Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 1 Sep 2003 at 21:58, Tim Sweetman wrote:
 
 Does all this negotiation run into hot water with legacy p(r)oxy caches?
 
 I believe someone mentioned that they couldn't get their cache to cache 
 the contents if they sent the proper HTTP header (Vary: encoding, I 
 believe, meaning Hey, proxy, the result of fetching this URL depends 
 on the Encoding header the client sends, so only send back this stuff 
 to clients with the same header as the one you're making this request 
 on behalf of).

That was me.  Now I don't want to just say that it doesn't work
outright, but I couldn't get it working.  You should try it yourself and
see what results you get.  And when you get it working, tell me.  :-)

-Dom

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Re: gzipping your websites WINRAR 40 days trial

2003-09-02 Thread Philip Newton
On 2 Sep 2003 at 7:16, Dominic Mitchell wrote:

 It's certainly not what I'd call anywhere close to being standard or
 universal. 

I'm told it's fairly popular in (some?) Usenet binary newsgroups as a 
standard way of distributing warez and moviez.

From what I gather, it supports multi-volume archives natively (which 
are a bit of a hack with the ZIP format); there also exists a PAR 
scheme which gives parity information so if you miss up to 'n' segments 
of a multi-segment file, you can recreate them from the parity data.

Compression is also sometimes better than with ZIP, possibly because of 
one or both of (a) it's said to have a special multimedia mode that 
is tuned to compressing audio and/or video (no idea how that works, 
though) and (b) it can create solid archives (things .tar.gz - 
compress the files as one rather than compressing each file 
individually as in .zip, hence you can take advantage of redundancy 
across files).

I've very rarely come across a file I wanted that was in .RAR format, 
though. When I started computing in the 90's on PCs, it was LZH at the 
beginning, replaced by ARJ shortly after I started; now it's ZIP. (And, 
of course, the perennial .tar.Z / .tar.gz in the *nix world, though 
.tar.bz2 are starting to show up in a couple of places.)

So, as far as I'm concerned, .RAR isn't standard, either, but 
apparently there are such for whom it is. This is probably not relevant 
for whoever started the thread, though.

Cheers,
Philip
-- 
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Re: gzipping your websites WINRAR 40 days trial

2003-09-02 Thread the hatter
On Tue, 2 Sep 2003, Philip Newton wrote:

 On 2 Sep 2003 at 7:16, Dominic Mitchell wrote:

  It's certainly not what I'd call anywhere close to being standard or
  universal.

 I'm told it's fairly popular in (some?) Usenet binary newsgroups as a
 standard way of distributing warez and moviez.

Certainly a majority of warez that show up on our network are rars (and
they tend to be single large files, so they're not directly taken from
multipart usenet posts)


the hatter



Re: Programming Email Filters

2003-09-02 Thread Peter Sergeant
http://grou.ch/bounce.txt is very effective. But if you're using
fetchmail or similar, remember the Email::Simple team chose correctness
over usefulness, and not to write the emails back to mail folders,
unless you want all kinds of pain.

+Pete



Re: compression (was: gzipping your websites)

2003-09-02 Thread Tom Hukins
On Tue, Sep 02, 2003 at 01:13:56AM +0100, Sam Vilain wrote:
 On Mon, 01 Sep 2003 21:11, Tom Hukins wrote;
 
Also, I suspect the case for bzip2 becomes stronger in the future.
Assume Moore's Law continues to hold for CPU speed increase.  Disk
and
 
 This argument is irrelevant in general, because the size of files to
 be compressed in general also increases with Moore's law.

I don't understand how this changes anything.  If CPU increases
outstrip bandwidth increases, CPU intensive compression/decompression
becomes more appropriate compared to bandwidth intensive compression.

It's already been mentioned that bzip2 performs better on large files
than on small files, so if anything I would expect larger file sizes
to favour bzip2.

Tom



Re: gzipping your websites WINRAR 40 days trial

2003-09-02 Thread Jason Clifford
On Tue, 2 Sep 2003, the hatter wrote:

   It's certainly not what I'd call anywhere close to being standard or
   universal.
 
  I'm told it's fairly popular in (some?) Usenet binary newsgroups as a
  standard way of distributing warez and moviez.
 
 Certainly a majority of warez that show up on our network are rars (and
 they tend to be single large files, so they're not directly taken from
 multipart usenet posts)

They might have been. The .rar file is what you get after recombining the 
multipart messages.

Jason Clifford
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Re: Programming Email Filters

2003-09-02 Thread Richard Clamp
On Tue, Sep 02, 2003 at 09:27:34AM +0100, Peter Sergeant wrote:
 http://grou.ch/bounce.txt is very effective. But if you're using
 fetchmail or similar, remember the Email::Simple team chose correctness
 over usefulness,

I typically find correct things very useful.  For the cases where not,
we have this wonderful thing called documentation which explains why
you shouldn't expect deliberate brokenness in order to be useful.

http://search.cpan.org/dist/Email-Simple/Simple.pm#CAVEATS

   and not to write the emails back to mail folders,
 unless you want all kinds of pain.

Or you use the tool for the job, which is Email::Filter.

http://search.cpan.org/dist/Email-Filter/lib/Email/Filter.pm

-- 
Richard Clamp [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Re: Programming Email Filters

2003-09-02 Thread Mark Overmeer
* Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030901 23:08]:
 I hacked up something that identified the emails I want to filter
 using Email::Simple, but I'd appreciate some input on what I've
 done. There are three areas I need help on.
 
 The first problem is identifying why the email ended up in my
 inbox. I need to work out which of the many email addresses in
 the many headers is aimed at me. Here's the algorithm I'm using.

use Mail::Message;
my $msg  = Mail::Message-read(\*STDIN);
my @dest = $msg-destinations;   # list of Mail::Address objects
   # parsed from To, Cc, Bcc, Resent-To, ...

 I'm using the Email::* modules but there doesn't seem to be a
 way to extract the actual deliverable email address from the
 headers. For example, from

print $_-address for @dest;

 I use procmail for my mail filtering, so I need to plug this
 new filter in with that. The processing I need is:
 
 if email is to a dodgy address then
save it in 'notme' mailbox
 else
continue with normal procmail processing
 end

You can be in the Bcc of the sender, so valid mail does not require
to have contain your address.
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Re: Programming Email Filters

2003-09-02 Thread Richard Clamp
On Mon, Sep 01, 2003 at 02:09:58PM -0700, Dave Cross wrote:
 
 I'm using the Email::* modules but there doesn't seem to be a
 way to extract the actual deliverable email address from the
 headers. For example, from
 
 Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[snip]
 Email parsing is listed as for a future release in Regexp::Common.
 I could use Mail::Address, but I don't really want to install
 Mail-Tools given that Email::* replaces most of it.

Bite the bullet.  It's good enough that we use it for Siesta, and
we've had to be picky about choice of address extractors in the past.


-- 
Richard Clamp [EMAIL PROTECTED]



DOS/WIN archivers of the mid 1990s (was Re: gzipping your websites WINRAR 40 days trial)

2003-09-02 Thread Roger Burton West
On Tue, Sep 02, 2003 at 09:24:11AM +0200, Philip Newton wrote:

[re RAR]

I'm told it's fairly popular in (some?) Usenet binary newsgroups as a 
standard way of distributing warez and moviez.

ACE is another format that I understand is used in that context.

From what I gather, it supports multi-volume archives natively (which 
are a bit of a hack with the ZIP format); there also exists a PAR 
scheme which gives parity information so if you miss up to 'n' segments 
of a multi-segment file, you can recreate them from the parity data.

Both correct, though I've never seen PAR actually produce a result.

Actually, I've probably known about RAR for longer than most people; in 
1994 I translated the documentation for RAR 1.40 from Russian to 
English, and uploaded it to Garbo. (Three weeks later, Yevgeniy Roshal 
brought out a new version with his own English translation, which was 
rather less comprehensible than mine, and didn't bother to answer my 
email.)

Compression is also sometimes better than with ZIP, possibly because of 
one or both of (a) it's said to have a special multimedia mode that 
is tuned to compressing audio and/or video (no idea how that works, 
though) and (b) it can create solid archives (things .tar.gz - 
compress the files as one rather than compressing each file 
individually as in .zip, hence you can take advantage of redundancy 
across files).

Also both correct. Multimedia mode, AFAIR, looks for shorter repeated
sequences than in text, because there's already been some compression
done.

RAR used to be practically guaranteed to be smaller than ZIP, but the 
format has got a bit bulky of late. Basically, it started as 
state-of-the-art compression code of 1994 and has been updated somewhat 
since, whereas ZIP is state-of-the-art for early 1992 and basically 
hasn't changed at all (RAR has now had four or five changes to the file
format).

In my experience, people who really care about compressed file size and 
are moderately technically savvy tend to use RAR or ACE; people who 
want their files to be readable by everybody use ZIP; people who are 
catering for virus-prone fools use self-installing EXE. (All of this
only applies to the Windows world, obviously; I think the parallels in
Unix, or at least Linux, would be .tar.bz2, .tar.gz, and dodgy
commercial software with auto-extracting installers like the JRE.)

Incidentally, I can highly recommend PowerArchiver, even though it's now
gone shareware. It's the only archive extractor I use on Windows.

I've very rarely come across a file I wanted that was in .RAR format, 
though. When I started computing in the 90's on PCs, it was LZH at the 
beginning, replaced by ARJ shortly after I started; now it's ZIP. (And, 
of course, the perennial .tar.Z / .tar.gz in the *nix world, though 
.tar.bz2 are starting to show up in a couple of places.)

For a while, ARJ was looking set to displace ZIP v2; it was producing
consistently smaller files, and had just grown a solid mode (which
originated with HPack, but that's another story entirely). But Rob Jung
insisted on keeping the source entirely closed, which meant that instead
of competing with ZIP as the universal and featureful format it was
competing with RAR as the small format, at which it failed.

This is probably not relevant 
for whoever started the thread, though.

Neither is anything I've said here.

R



Re: Factory Classes

2003-09-02 Thread Ian Brayshaw
Dave Cross wrote:

 What would be really good would be if we could autodetect which
 modules they had installed during installation and choose the
 local default from those - but I may leve that for a later release.

Have a look at XML::SAX. It maintains a list of SAX parsers installed on
the system, and each new install updates a local configuration file.
Users can set which ones are default in the config file (if my memory
serves me correctly), and also dynamically choose the parser at runtime.

The more I think about it, the more I realise how little I know about
XML::SAX. Might be best to ignore me


Ian


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Re: DOS/WIN archivers of the mid 1990s (was Re: gzipping your websitesWINRAR 40 days trial)

2003-09-02 Thread Jason Clifford
On Tue, 2 Sep 2003, Roger Burton West wrote:

 Both correct, though I've never seen PAR actually produce a result.

Download a large enough set of rar component files (as in grabbing Buffy 
each week) and you'll soon find how useful par files are.

Jason Clifford
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Re: DOS/WIN archivers of the mid 1990s (was Re: gzipping your websites WINRAR 40 days trial)

2003-09-02 Thread Dominic Mitchell
Roger Burton West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 In my experience, people who really care about compressed file size and 
 are moderately technically savvy tend to use RAR or ACE; people who 
 want their files to be readable by everybody use ZIP; people who are 
 catering for virus-prone fools use self-installing EXE. 

I don't actually mind .EXE files so long as I don't have to run them.
If you can just extract from them using the standard unzip program, I
don't have a problem with that.

-Dom

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Re: Fave calendering software?

2003-09-02 Thread Iain Tatch
On Tuesday, September 2, 2003, 6:27:04 AM, Mike Jarvis wrote:

MJ I like the idea of a slim, quick browser, but I think they may be
MJ getting too religious about it.

If you ever use That OS (even if it's just at work with an enforced NT
workstation or something), I can heartily recommend K-Meleon for a
lightweight, highly-configurable Moz-based browser.

   http://kmeleon.sourceforge.net/

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Re: DOS/WIN archivers of the mid 1990s

2003-09-02 Thread Philip Newton
On 2 Sep 2003 at 9:43, Roger Burton West wrote:

 On Tue, Sep 02, 2003 at 09:24:11AM +0200, Philip Newton wrote:
 
 When I started computing in the 90's on PCs, it was LZH at the 
 beginning, replaced by ARJ shortly after I started; now it's ZIP. (And, 
 of course, the perennial .tar.Z / .tar.gz in the *nix world, though 
 .tar.bz2 are starting to show up in a couple of places.)
 
 For a while, ARJ was looking set to displace ZIP v2; it was producing
 consistently smaller files, and had just grown a solid mode (which
 originated with HPack, but that's another story entirely).

That's certainly what it looked like to me in the early-mid 90's (my 
BBS/mailboxing days: roughly 1992-1994), where ARJ appeared to be the 
most popular compressed format by far. (Though my favourite mailbox 
switched over to SQZ due to its slightly better compression, I don't 
think that format ever became widespread.)

I was away from computers for about 1995-1997 and was a bit surprised 
on my return to find that ZIP appeared to have taken over from ARJ.

I can well imagine that the availability of Info-ZIP may have been part 
of this; another part is probably the advent of Win95 and WinZIP, which 
brought compression to the pointy-clicky masses. (ARJ and PKZIP had 
both been 16-bit command-line DOS programs, though there was third-pary 
software called ARJMENU which gave you a text-mode full-screen 
interface to ARJ, and I think PKZIP later came up with a 32-bit 
graphical version of their software.)

 But Rob Jung insisted on keeping the source entirely closed, which
 meant that instead of competing with ZIP as the universal and
 featureful format it was competing with RAR as the small format, at
 which it failed. 

I think it stood a decent chance at featureful if not universal; it 
certainly had a ton of features, which got more and more with each 
version.

Compression was roughly the same, but ARJ was the first of the two to 
have multi-volume archives, for example, or backup archives storing 
multiple versions of the same file (it retrieved the latest version by 
default but you could ask for any older version as well). I think that 
by count of features, ARJ was probably more successful.

No idea what ARJ is doing these days. They still seem to be around as a 
company (and have a better format called JAR, apparently), but I 
haven't seen an ARJ archive in many a day. I doubt they have many 
sales.

 This is probably not relevant 
 for whoever started the thread, though.
 
 Neither is anything I've said here.

But it's been interesting talking about it.
-- 
Philip Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED]




Re: Programming Email Filters

2003-09-02 Thread Dave Cross

From: Mark Overmeer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 9/2/03 8:36:11 AM

 You can be in the Bcc of the sender, so valid mail does 
 not require to have contain your address.

Yeah, but in cases like that one of my email addresses will still
be in the Received headers somewhere. I think.

Dave...

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Re: Programming Email Filters

2003-09-02 Thread Dominic Mitchell
Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 From: Mark Overmeer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 9/2/03 8:36:11 AM
 
 You can be in the Bcc of the sender, so valid mail does 
 not require to have contain your address.
 
 Yeah, but in cases like that one of my email addresses will still
 be in the Received headers somewhere. I think.

Parsing Received headers has got be the start of a slippery road...  See
also qmail.

-Dom

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Re: Programming Email Filters

2003-09-02 Thread Paul Makepeace
Je 2003-09-02 09:54:59 +0100, Dave Cross skribis:
 From: Mark Overmeer [EMAIL PROTECTED]9/2/03 8:36:11 AM
  You can be in the Bcc of the sender, so valid mail does 
  not require to have contain your address.
 
 Yeah, but in cases like that one of my email addresses will still
 be in the Received headers somewhere. I think.

It depends how your receiving MTA is set up - in Debian's exim there is
a line like,

received_header_text = Received: \
# snip reams of other stuff \
${if def:received_for {\n\tfor $received_for}}

If that were not in Received:, and Envelope-to: were turned off
you'd probably have a hard time divining the address without
spelunking MTA logfiles.

Paul

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Re: Fave calendering software?

2003-09-02 Thread Mike Jarvis
On Tue, Sep 02, 2003 at 07:00:20AM +, Dominic Mitchell wrote:
 Mike Jarvis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Which is one of my big fears with Firebird becoming Browser (that
  is, the only mozilla browser).  the guys running it are still wedded
  to the idea of pushing everything into extensions.  Last I saw they
  still weren't going to add a menu item to switch style sheets on the
  reasoning that you can download an extention to do it.   I think even
  fewer people will want to use Moz if it's nothing but gecko with
  plugins.
 
 The nightlies of FireBird have a stylesheet switcher icon in the bottom
 left.   No extensions needed.  I presume that this will find its way
 into the next version.

It does have the icon, but it doesn't have the menu items (which sucks
if you hide the status bar, and the menu items take up no more space
if you have menus on).  

There's also no way to use a user defined stylesheet on the fly, since
the icon only appears if alternate stylesheets are available.  I hate
it when UI elements come and go as they please and don't just stay
still.  I also think it's pretty unfreindly to make people dig around
to find the right file to modify to use their own style sheets.

I think the real problem is tunnel vision.  The developers assume that
if they don't use a feature, nobody else does either.  The whole idea
of moving everything off into extensions was fine when Firebird was
just an alternative to Mozilla, but as the base browser I'm afraid it
needs to bloat up some.

-- 
mike



Re: DOS/WIN archivers of the mid 1990s

2003-09-02 Thread Roger Burton West
On Tue, Sep 02, 2003 at 10:55:13AM +0200, Philip Newton wrote:

I can well imagine that the availability of Info-ZIP may have been part 
of this; another part is probably the advent of Win95 and WinZIP, which 
brought compression to the pointy-clicky masses. (ARJ and PKZIP had 
both been 16-bit command-line DOS programs, though there was third-pary 
software called ARJMENU which gave you a text-mode full-screen 
interface to ARJ, and I think PKZIP later came up with a 32-bit 
graphical version of their software.)

Yup, but it was more expensive than WinZIP (which of course was based on
Info-ZIP) and nagged the user more about registration. ARJ never went
graphical at all AFAIK, and neither did JAR.

I think it stood a decent chance at featureful if not universal; it 
certainly had a ton of features, which got more and more with each 
version.

It won on featureful, but that wasn't enough to get it used.

Compression was roughly the same, but ARJ was the first of the two to 
have multi-volume archives, for example, or backup archives storing 
multiple versions of the same file (it retrieved the latest version by 
default but you could ask for any older version as well). I think that 
by count of features, ARJ was probably more successful.

And of course it was tested a bit more thoroughly before it was
released. Anyone remember PKZip 2.04e? The (plain-text) bug list was
longer than the executable...

No idea what ARJ is doing these days. They still seem to be around as a 
company (and have a better format called JAR, apparently), but I 
haven't seen an ARJ archive in many a day. I doubt they have many 
sales.

JAR was available in 1996 or so, I think. I still have copies of most of
the archivers and compressors I was playing with in those days... anyone
remember UC2? HA? SAR? ACB?

Roger



RE: Programming Email Filters

2003-09-02 Thread Andy Williams \(IMAP HILLWAY\)


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Cross
 Sent: 01 September 2003 22:10
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Programming Email Filters
 
 Like (I guess) many people round here I'm getting Too Much 
 Email that I don't want to read. So I'm doing something about 
 it. Using Perl. And no, of course, no-one elses solution will 
 work just how I want it to work so I'm in full wheel-reinvention mode.
 
 The biggest problem I'm currently having is bounces from spam 
 that has fake addresses in my domains as the 'From:' header, 
 so that's the problem I'm addressing first. I have a finite 
 number of email addresses that I want to read email for and 
 any email addressed to a different address will be filtered 
 off to a different folder for later investigation.
 
snip
 
 But my procmail powers are weak and I can't work out how to 
 do it. I see that spamassassin adds a new header to the email 
 and my next procmail rules does the filtering. That would be 
 an acceptable solution if I can't do it all in one rule.
 
 
 Any help and advice on all of these issues much appreciated.
 

I know this isn't a perl solution but I have been using spambouncer
(http://www.spambouncer.org/)
It's purely a who load of procmail recipies which get updated
periodicly.
It doesn't seem to produce too many false positives (I think I've had 4
in 3 months). It also has a series of files for configuration e.g.
.nobounce is a list of domains/email addresses that should be always
accepted if they appear in the from field.
.myemail is a list of email addresses that I use regularly eg
andyw[at]hillway.com, sms[at]hillway.com etc.

It has been very useful as people are spoofing one of my domains for
spam *g*

Andy




Re: Factory Classes

2003-09-02 Thread Leon Brocard
Dave Cross sent the following bits through the ether:

 I've done something similar before with Symbol::Approx::Sub,
 but I'm not sure that the interface I designed there was as useful
 as it could be, so I'm open to suggestions.

No, I wasn't terribly happy with it either. I've written this bit of
code so often that it really needs to be a seperate module so that we
can all do it A Better Way. However, every time I look, the factory
modules on CPAN aren't quite there:

http://search.cpan.org/search?query=factorymode=module

So, I don't know, but good luck. I'm sure there's a good module or two
in there somewhere (a la, return a list of modules which have the same
base name as 'Foo::Plugin::'...

Leon
-- 
Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/
scribot.http://www.scribot.com/

... The sun ain't yellow, its chicken



Re: Programming Email Filters

2003-09-02 Thread Adam Spiers
Dominic Mitchell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  From: Mark Overmeer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Date: 9/2/03 8:36:11 AM
  
  You can be in the Bcc of the sender, so valid mail does 
  not require to have contain your address.
  
  Yeah, but in cases like that one of my email addresses will still
  be in the Received headers somewhere. I think.
 
 Parsing Received headers has got be the start of a slippery road...  See
 also qmail.

I wrote Mail::Field::Received for this; I guess that puts me at the
bottom of a very murky pit of non-RFC822-compliant regexps, but
hopefully saves other people from the same fate.



Re: DOS/WIN archivers of the mid 1990s

2003-09-02 Thread Philip Newton
On 2 Sep 2003 at 10:09, Roger Burton West wrote:

 I still have copies of most of the archivers and compressors I was
 playing with in those days... anyone remember UC2? HA? SAR? ACB? 

I had a bunch squirrelled away on my old hard drive (125 MB, the 
luxury). I should have that backed up on CD-R somewhere but I'd have to 
dig for quite a while.

Of those you mentioned, I only ever saw HA. (My version had a bug in 
that its help output had lines terminated IIRC by CR CR LF, causing it 
to double-space on my screen unless I piped it through a filter.)

A couple of others I had were HAP (and its companion, PAH), SQZ, DWC 
(by Dean W. Cooper), PKPAK, LHARC, LHA, ICE(?), ZOO, and AR.

I don't think I ever saw a DWC or AR archive in the wild, though. ICE 
was basically a renamed LHA, so that doesn't really count; I think most 
.lzh were LHA rather than the older LHARC. I didn't come across many 
.ARC archives either (which PKPAK and ARC created IIRC), but I did see 
a couple. ZOO appears to be very old indeed (and was even fairly 
portable, apparently; I saw a description of moving them over to a VMS 
machine with Kermit, for example).

I remember whatever produced .ARC because it produced really bad 
compression in two ways: didn't squeeze as much out of the file as most 
other utilities, and the resulting file couldn't be compressed much, 
either.

There were probably tons more that sprung up after my time as well; I 
remember seeing a compression comparison site with all sorts of apps, 
though most appeared to be newer (as in, developed in the last six or 
seven years).

Cheers,
Philip
-- 
Philip Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED]




Re: Fave calendering software?

2003-09-02 Thread Dominic Mitchell
Mike Jarvis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Tue, Sep 02, 2003 at 07:00:20AM +, Dominic Mitchell wrote:
 The nightlies of FireBird have a stylesheet switcher icon in the bottom
 left.   No extensions needed.  I presume that this will find its way
 into the next version.
 
 It does have the icon, but it doesn't have the menu items (which sucks
 if you hide the status bar, and the menu items take up no more space
 if you have menus on).  

Can you hide the status bar?  I didn't realise that...  Ooh!  Wow!  More
real estate!  Thanks!

 There's also no way to use a user defined stylesheet on the fly, since
 the icon only appears if alternate stylesheets are available.  I hate
 it when UI elements come and go as they please and don't just stay
 still.  I also think it's pretty unfreindly to make people dig around
 to find the right file to modify to use their own style sheets.

Yup, I agree.  Using ones own style sheets should be made much easier.
Although to some extent this is worked around by bookmarklets such as
the stuff in the squarefree collection:

http://squarefree.com/bookmarklets/

A lot of those do things that you might conceivably want to with user
defined stylesheets.

-Dom

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Re: Factory Classes

2003-09-02 Thread Mark Fowler
On Tue, 2 Sep 2003, Leon Brocard wrote:

 So, I don't know, but good luck. I'm sure there's a good module or two
 in there somewhere (a la, return a list of modules which have the same
 base name as 'Foo::Plugin::'...

That's not going to work.  Quite a few of my plugins have support modules
that are called

  Application::Plugin::MyPluginName::SupportName

SupportName isn't a valid plugin, it's just a module that MyPluginName
needs.

Mark.

-- 
#!/usr/bin/perl -T
use strict;
use warnings;
print q{Mark Fowler, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://twoshortplanks.com/};



Re: Factory Classes

2003-09-02 Thread Mark Fowler
On Tue, 2 Sep 2003, Simon Wistow wrote:

 http://siesta.unixbeard.net/svn/trunk/siesta/lib/Siesta.pm
 under available_plugins

1) Does that code work on platforms that don't use '/' as a directory
seperator?  Ooh, maybe I should patch that.

2) That code probably will go boom if you try to use it with PAR or
something like that (since that relies on magic @INC hooks)

Maybe the 'registering as part of the install' system isn't such a bad
idea.

Here's a totally crazy system, a module that you load that can tell you
what plugins are installed and a can also add plugins, and it does this by
dynamically rewriting it's own code on disk (via finding itself in %INC).

Mark.

-- 
#!/usr/bin/perl -T
use strict;
use warnings;
print q{Mark Fowler, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://twoshortplanks.com/};



Re: Factory Classes

2003-09-02 Thread Richard Clamp
On Tue, Sep 02, 2003 at 12:31:03PM +0100, Mark Fowler wrote:
 On Tue, 2 Sep 2003, Simon Wistow wrote:
 
  http://siesta.unixbeard.net/svn/trunk/siesta/lib/Siesta.pm
  under available_plugins
 
 1) Does that code work on platforms that don't use '/' as a directory
 seperator?  Ooh, maybe I should patch that.

Yes, because File::Find always deals in things separated by /
regardless of the local idiom.

This is sometimes referred to as Rubbish, but hey, it's File::Find.

-- 
Richard Clamp [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Emailed RSS

2003-09-02 Thread Ian Malpass
[Well, it's written in perl, so what the hell]

I've sort of finished stage one of my Email RSS Aggregator:

http://era.indecorous.com/

At least, it's ready for some more general testing. So, if anyone's got
some spare moments and fancies giving it a whirl (particularly if it
sounds like it'd be uesful to them) that'd be groovy.

Might still be a bit flaky, of course :)

Ian

(Apologies to those I've already mailed this to via other channels.)

-
--


The soul would have no rainbows if the eyes held no tears.

Ian Malpass [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Re: Fave calendering software?

2003-09-02 Thread Paul Makepeace
Hmm, so there's a Debian package mencal -- that's menstrual calendar
-- which prints calendars like cal(1) but with certain days in ... red.
Yes, it's written in perl.

And why not,
Paul

-- 
Paul Makepeace ... http://paulm.com/

What is quids in in German? Touching myself so it *really* feels good!
   -- http://paulm.com/toys/surrealism/



Re: DOS/WIN archivers of the mid 1990s

2003-09-02 Thread Roger Burton West
On Tue, Sep 02, 2003 at 09:19:37AM -0400, Chris Devers wrote:

JAR? No relation to the Java archive format, is there?

None whatsoever - it predated it somewhat as well.

I thought that Java's JAR files were just Java-tARballs.

Mostly they're Zip-files, actually..

Roger



Re: DOS/WIN archivers of the mid 1990s

2003-09-02 Thread Chris Devers
On Tue, 2 Sep 2003, Philip Newton wrote:

 No idea what ARJ is doing these days. They still seem to be around
 as a company (and have a better format called JAR, apparently) [...]

JAR? No relation to the Java archive format, is there?

I thought that Java's JAR files were just Java-tARballs.

Now you have me wondering if that's actually true.



-- 
Chris Devers  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://devers.homeip.net:8080/blog/

ALU, n.  [Arithritic Logic Unit or (rare) Arithmetic Logic Unit.]
A random-number generator supplied as standard on all computer systems.

-- from _The Computer Contradictionary_, Stan Kelly-Bootle, 1995



Re: DOS/WIN archivers of the mid 1990s

2003-09-02 Thread Philip Newton
On 2 Sep 2003 at 9:19, Chris Devers wrote:

 On Tue, 2 Sep 2003, Philip Newton wrote:
 
  No idea what ARJ is doing these days. They still seem to be around
  as a company (and have a better format called JAR, apparently) [...]
 
 JAR? No relation to the Java archive format, is there?

Correct: no relation.

 I thought that Java's JAR files were just Java-tARballs.

I believe they're basically ZIP files with certain specifically-named 
members. Or something. But based on ZIP, not TAR.

Cheers,
Philip
-- 
Philip Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED]




Re: Programming Email Filters

2003-09-02 Thread Peter Haworth
On Mon, 1 Sep 2003 14:09:58 -0700, Dave Cross wrote:
 The first problem is identifying why the email ended up in my inbox. I
 need to work out which of the many email addresses in the many headers is
 aimed at me. Here's the algorithm I'm using.

 1/ If there's an 'Envelope-to' header then use that and stop looking.

Convince your local MDA to always insert one (such as qmail's
Delivered-to:). Then you only need this step. The other message headers are
all lies, anyway.

I'm in the fortunate position of being the only user on my mail server, so I
can reject messages which aren't addressed to me at SMTP RCPT time, and I
don't even have to receive them in the first place. Of course, I still get
hundreds of bounces addressed to me, due to the current virus/spam
addressing trend, but this did cut down the flood quite considerably.

 I'm using the Email::* modules but there doesn't seem to be a way to
 extract the actual deliverable email address from the headers.

 Should I just write Email::Address and submit it to the Email::* project?

I've written a yapp grammar for my MUA, which (from memory) parses
everything in RFC822 addresses (not necessarily 2822 - it didn't exist)
except for domain literals. While it successfully identifies addresses
correctly, constructing sensible values for comments really only works for
comments which were sensible to start with:

  Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
name=Dave Cross
comment=
  Muhammed.(I am  the greatest) Ali @(the)Vegas.WBA
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
name=
comment= (I am the greatest) (the)

At the risk of annoying the list admins, I've attached it to this message,
since I still haven't got round to putting the MUA on CPAN.

-- 
Peter Haworth   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The usability of a computer language is inversely proportional to the
 number of theoretical axes the language designer tries to grind.
-- Larry Wall# $Revision: 1.9 $

%token tComma tColon tSemi
%token tAngLeft tAngRight
%token tAt tDot
%token tAtom tQuotedString tQuotedPair

%%

addresses:
  address
{ [ $_[1] ] }
| addresses tComma address
{ [ @{$_[1]},$_[3] ] }
;

address:
  address_
{ 
  $_[0]-ParseComments;
  my $data=$_[0]-YYData;

  my $addr={
addr = $_[1],
comment = $data-{COMMENT},
text = $data-{TEXT},
name = $data-{NAME},
  };
  delete $data-{COMMENT};
  delete $data-{TEXT};
  delete $data-{NAME};
  $addr-{name}=~s/^\s+//s;
  $addr;
}
;

address_:
  group
| mailbox
;

group:
  phrase tColon mailboxes tSemi
;

mailboxes:
  mailbox
| mailboxes tComma mailbox
;

mailbox:
  addr_spec
| opt_phrase route_addr
{ $_[0]-YYData-{NAME}.= $_[1]; $_[2] }
;

addr_spec:
  local_part tAt domain
{ $_[1]$_[2]$_[3] }
;

opt_phrase:
| phrase
;

phrase:
  word
| phrase word
{ $_[1] $_[2] }
;

route_addr:
  tAngLeft opt_route addr_spec tAngRight
{ $_[3] } # XXX Ignore route for now
;

opt_route:
  routes tColon
|
;

routes:
  routes tAt domain
| tAt domain
;

local_part:
  local_part tDot word
{ $_[1]$_[2]$_[3] }
| word
;

domain:
  domain tDot sub_domain
{ $_[1]$_[2]$_[3] }
| sub_domain
;

sub_domain:
  domain_ref
/* | domain_literal */
;

domain_ref:
  tAtom
;

word:
  tAtom
| tQuotedString
;


%%

my %tokens=reverse(
  tComma = ',',
  tColon = ':',
  tSemi = ';',
  tAngLeft = '',
  tAngRight = '',
  tParLeft = '(',
  tParRight = ')',
  tBraLeft = '[',
  tBraRight = ']',
  tAt = '@',
  tDot = '.',
);
my $tokens=join '',keys %tokens;

# Remove whitespace and comments
# This is done outside the lexer, since we call it before the first token
sub ParseComments{
  my($parser)[EMAIL PROTECTED];
  my $data=$parser-YYData;

  for($data-{INPUT}){
while(s/^(\s+)// || /^\(/){
  $data-{TEXT}.=$1;
  if(s/^\(//){
my $level=1;
my $ctext='(';
while($level){
  s/^([^()\\]+)//
and $ctext.=$1;
  s/^((?:\\.)+)//
and $ctext.=$1;
  s/^\(//
and $ctext.='(' and ++$level;
  if(s/^\)//){
$ctext.=')';
last unless --$level;
  }
}
$data-{COMMENT}.= $ctext;
$data-{TEXT}.=$ctext;
  }
}
  }
}

# Debugging version
sub __Lexer{
  my($parser)[EMAIL PROTECTED];
  my @ret=_Lexer;

  local $=',';
  warn Lex returned: (@ret)\n;
  @ret;
}

sub _Lexer{
  my($parser)[EMAIL PROTECTED];
  my $data=$parser-YYData;

  # Remove whitespace and comments
  $parser-ParseComments;

  # Determine next token
  for($data-{INPUT}){
return ('',undef) if $_ eq '';

if(s/^([\Q$tokens\E])//o){
  $data-{TEXT}.=$1 unless $1 eq ',';
  return ($tokens{$1},$1);
}
if(s/^//){
  my $str;
  while(1){
if(s/^//){
  $data-{TEXT}.=qq($str);
  return (tQuotedString = $str);
}elsif(s/^\\(.)//s){
  $str.=$1;
}elsif(s/^([^\\]+)//){
  $str.=$1;
}else{
  

HTTP header voodoo

2003-09-02 Thread David Cantrell
Can someone remind me, what's the header voodoo that tells a browser
that regardless of what it sent in the GET request, it should offer to
save the file as $filename?

-- 
Lord Protector David Cantrell  |  http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david

  Longum iter est per praecepta, breve et efficax per exempla.
  -- Seneca



Re: HTTP header voodoo

2003-09-02 Thread Chris Andrews
On Tue, Sep 02, 2003 at 02:41:39PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
 Can someone remind me, what's the header voodoo that tells a browser
 that regardless of what it sent in the GET request, it should offer to
 save the file as $filename?

 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=$filename

works for me. 


Chris.



Re: HTTP header voodoo

2003-09-02 Thread Roger Burton West
On Tue, Sep 02, 2003 at 02:41:39PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
Can someone remind me, what's the header voodoo that tells a browser
that regardless of what it sent in the GET request, it should offer to
save the file as $filename?

Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=$filename

Roger



Re: Fave calendering software?

2003-09-02 Thread Steve Keay
On Tue, Sep 02, 2003 at 01:17:05AM +0100, Paul Makepeace wrote:
 My solution: firebird -calendar and then use a different profile (I
 created a Calendar profile).

Hmm, I just tried this and I decided to download the UK Holidays
from the same page.  Can anyone tell my why it has New Year's Day on
the 1st of December?

I also find it a little worrying that Christmas, etc are not
re-occurring events.  I like to speed forward to 2020 in the calendar
and see that Christmas is still there.



Re: Now Married!

2003-09-02 Thread Marcel Gruenauer
On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 08:43:52AM +0100, Leo Lapworth wrote:

 Well the deed is done - I'm now a married man :)

Congratulations!

http://leo.cuckoo.org/cgi-bin/yapi/yapi.cgi/Wedding/030_wedding/0080_Leon.JPG
= What, not an orange suit? Not even an orange shirt? Or Tie?

Tsk, standards...

Marcel

-- 
We are Perl. Your table will be assimilated. Your waiter will adapt to
service us. Surrender your beer. Resistance is futile.
 -- London.pm strategy aka embrace and extend aka mark and sweep



Re: HTTP header voodoo

2003-09-02 Thread David Cantrell
On Tue, Sep 02, 2003 at 02:47:09PM +0100, Chris Andrews wrote:
  Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=$filename
 works for me. 

Works for me too.  Cheers.

-- 
David Cantrell | Reality Engineer, Ministry of Information

  Longum iter est per praecepta, breve et efficax per exempla.
  -- Seneca



Mercury Amalgam (was: insidious biometrics, identity crises)

2003-09-02 Thread Philip Hellyer

 Sam Vilain wrote:

 /me considers getting all his amalgam fillings changed to composite...

Paul Makepeace wrote:

 The danger is vaporizing the mercury as the drill goes in - which makes
 it several orders of magnitude easier to penetrate gum cell walls. You
 can end up getting dosed more in those few minutes than what would
 naturally seep out via saliva  tooth over its remaining life.

Absolutely.

There is a prescribed protocol for removing mercury amalgam fillings, which
includes the use of a rubber dam, high speed suction, external air source,
etc.  Doses of charcoal and organic seaweed immediately before extraction
helps with binding and excretion of whatever gets past the other
precautions.  My s.o. also took 10 grams of intravenous vitamin C during
the procedure.  Subsequest detox has been largely 'natural'; vitamin C,
seagreens seaweed, selenium, and coriander.  There's also a sulfur/zinc
cleansing cycle but she's allergic to sulfur.

The mercury in the fillings is not so much seeping out into your mouth as 
it is vapourising.  The rate of vapourisation increases when chewing, as
you'd expect.  It also is higher in people who have a mixture of metal 
fillings, such as both mercury and gold.  I imagine that there is some 
battery-type effect going on.

Speaking of battery effects, Huggins reports that his patients don't seem 
to recover unless the fillings are removed in a certain order, and that 
order is determined by the voltage across each filling.  There are other
time-based ordering issues that he can't always explain but finds to be
true (because patients don't recover when these rules are violated).


 Jason Clifford wrote:

 Everything I've seen on that issue indicates that it's a danger only 
 for those who have an allergic reaction to the mercury traces.

The official figures are something like 2-3% of the UK population being
allergic to mercury.  I suspect that this is on the low side, given how
common are symptoms that may well be mercury-related.  Migranes,
depression, mood swings, joint pain that is assumed to be arthritis or
similar without the associated structures being discovered, etc.  


 
 Jason Clifford wrote:

 It's not possible to composite for all filings either which is a problem 
 for those of us who have needed root canal filing work.

To my knowledge, there is no filling that requires mercury amalgam,
although I have heard that many dentists say that they do.  I think that 
these statements stem from a lack of ability on the part of the dentist, 
or a lack of commitment to mercury-free alternatives.  My s.o. has both
root-filled teeth and crowns, none of which are now mercury based.  Root
fillings are particularly nasty because not even the mercury-free dentists
agree on what substances are safe to use.



Anything I report is doubtless slightly twisted.  It's my s.o. that is the
local expert, having read everything she could get her hands on about her
illnesses.  I've read little about it myself, but hear about every new
discovery she makes.  Our only regret is that we didn't know about and/or
believe in the problems with mercury fillings five years ago.

I have reached the point that if I had any persistent complaint or serious
illness I would have my fillings changed by someone who knows what they're
doing.  In fact, I had mine out last fall just for laughs.  Since then I'm
rarely struck with a flu/cold, rarely have a headache, and have more energy
that I used to.  Colds were a monthly occurrence for me from the time that 
we moved to London, now I have trouble remembering when the last one was.
(Obviously my brain still needs work!)

best regards,
Philip



P.S. This is a day or so delayed and doubtless not threaded properly
because I've changed subscription addresses and mail clients to 
accommodate the recent multi-part problem.

-- 



Re: Stupid fucking antivirus software

2003-09-02 Thread Toby Corkindale
On Sun, Aug 31, 2003 at 05:50:00PM +0100, Adrian Howard wrote:
 Tell me about it, just cleared eight of those out of the list's admin
 queue.
 
 426 since Friday 5pm.
 
 That's just the anti-virus bounces. I've given up counting the fardling 
 virus posts.

Something around 5000 here, and that's just the ones that made it thru the
spam filters! (Since tweaked) (Although you might be surprised (or probably
not) at just how effective it is to bounce all emails which are between 85 and
115 kb in size.)

tjc

-- 
Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart, the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world.



Re: DOS/WIN archivers of the mid 1990s

2003-09-02 Thread Toby Corkindale
On Tue, Sep 02, 2003 at 10:09:16AM +0100, Roger Burton West wrote:
 JAR was available in 1996 or so, I think. I still have copies of most of
 the archivers and compressors I was playing with in those days... anyone
 remember UC2? HA? SAR? ACB?

I remember (and used) UC2 and, I think, HA..

What happened to UC2?

tjc

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The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart, the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world.



Re: DOS/WIN archivers of the mid 1990s

2003-09-02 Thread Roger Burton West
On or about Tue, Sep 02, 2003 at 08:02:10AM -0700, Toby Corkindale typed:

I remember (and used) UC2 and, I think, HA..

Want a Debian package for HA? (Privately maintained while I wait to have
time to do the become-a-developer dance.)

What happened to UC2?

I think the company went under. They certainly stopped answering email
all of a sudden - I was corresponding with them for quite a while.

Roger



Re: Fave calendering software?

2003-09-02 Thread Chris Devers
On Tue, 2 Sep 2003, Steve Keay wrote:

 Hmm, I just tried this and I decided to download the UK Holidays
 from the same page.  Can anyone tell my why it has New Year's Day on
 the 1st of December?

 I also find it a little worrying that Christmas, etc are not
 re-occurring events.  I like to speed forward to 2020 in the calendar
 and see that Christmas is still there.

Didn't you get that memo? No Christmas for you after this year!


Cthulu Matata!




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A random-number generator supplied as standard on all computer systems.

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Re: Mercury Amalgam (was: insidious biometrics, identity crises)

2003-09-02 Thread Sam Vilain
On Tue, 02 Sep 2003 15:48, Philip Hellyer wrote;

   To my knowledge, there is no filling that requires mercury
   amalgam, although I have heard that many dentists say that they
   do.  I think that these statements stem from a lack of ability on
   the part of the dentist, or a lack of commitment to mercury-free
   alternatives.  My s.o. has both root-filled teeth and crowns, none
   of which are now mercury based.  Root fillings are particularly
   nasty because not even the mercury-free dentists agree on what
   substances are safe to use.

My other half is a dental assistant, so I've had some of these matters
drilled into me (boom boom).

Always ask for `composite' fillings.  They should be a gooey plastic
that is set with a blue or green light.  I've had teeth that strictly
speaking needed a crown (a complete reconstruction of the top of the
tooth) and where 75% of the tooth was missing.  There is no excuse for
not using it.

She had to ask around in NZ to find a dentist that would do
`thermo-fill' root canal treatment.  This method is fast (took under
45 minutes for me) and safe.
-- 
Sam Vilain, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  Civilization is a movement, not a condition; it is a voyage, not a
harbor.
 - Toynbee -




Re: Mercury Amalgam (was: insidious biometrics, identity crises)

2003-09-02 Thread Ben
On Tue, Sep 02, 2003 at 03:48:06PM +0100, Philip Hellyer wrote:
 
 My s.o. also took 10 grams of intravenous vitamin C during
 the procedure.  

Isn't that above the level where vitamin C will crystalise out of urine
and potentially cause damage to the urethra?

I mean, the RDA for vitamin C is only, what, 60 milligrams?

This seems awfully high to me.

Ben



Re: Mercury Amalgam (was: insidious biometrics, identity crises)

2003-09-02 Thread Paul Makepeace
Je 2003-09-02 18:01:12 +0100, Ben skribis:
 I mean, the RDA for vitamin C is only, what, 60 milligrams?

That's right -- at the same time there's plenty of dissention about
whether that's enough, and in what circumstances. Dousing your
bloodstream in anti-oxidants (C, E, polyphenols, etc) during  following
intense anaerobic activity is thought to help mop up free radicals that
are a product of (amongst other things) heavy lactic acid production,
e.g. sprinting, weights, i.e. any short duration high intensity bout.

You can buy 1g megadose Vit C tablets at $chemist[rand @chemists] and I
haven't read any contra- indications on them (may result in pissing
shards or somesuch).

Paul

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If we can't draw, then or, just stick to the tried and true - the
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Re: Mercury Amalgam (was: insidious biometrics, identity crises)

2003-09-02 Thread Jasper McCrea
Paul Makepeace wrote:
 
 Je 2003-09-02 18:01:12 +0100, Ben skribis:
  I mean, the RDA for vitamin C is only, what, 60 milligrams?
 
 That's right -- at the same time there's plenty of dissention about
 whether that's enough, and in what circumstances. Dousing your
 bloodstream in anti-oxidants (C, E, polyphenols, etc) during  following
 intense anaerobic activity is thought to help mop up free radicals that
 are a product of (amongst other things) heavy lactic acid production,
 e.g. sprinting, weights, i.e. any short duration high intensity bout.
 
 You can buy 1g megadose Vit C tablets at $chemist[rand @chemists] and I
 haven't read any contra- indications on them (may result in pissing
 shards or somesuch).

There's got to be a difference between ingestion (where most of it probably
would pass straight through your digestive tract) and directly injecting it into
your bloodstream. 10 grams of vit c intravenously sounds utterly barking to me.
Surely a typo, or mis-hear or something.

Jasper



Re: DOS/WIN archivers of the mid 1990s

2003-09-02 Thread Sam Vilain
On Tue, 02 Sep 2003 14:25, Roger Burton West wrote;

   I thought that Java's JAR files were just Java-tARballs.
   Mostly they're Zip-files, actually..

Which makes sense, because .ZIP is a file format with an index at the
end designed for random access, whereas .tar files need to be scanned
to work out where each file starts and ends.

And plain `ar' doesn't do compression.
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  What would life be if we had no courage to attempt anything ?
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Re: DOS/WIN archivers of the mid 1990s

2003-09-02 Thread Shevek
On Tue, 2 Sep 2003, Sam Vilain wrote:

 On Tue, 02 Sep 2003 14:25, Roger Burton West wrote;
 
I thought that Java's JAR files were just Java-tARballs.
Mostly they're Zip-files, actually..
 
 Which makes sense, because .ZIP is a file format with an index at the
 end designed for random access, whereas .tar files need to be scanned
 to work out where each file starts and ends.
 
 And plain `ar' doesn't do compression.

Neither, in the strictest sense, does tar.

S.

-- 
Shevekhttp://www.anarres.org/
I am the Borg. http://www.gothnicity.org/



RE: DOS/WIN archivers of the mid 1990s (was Re: gzipping your websitesWINRAR 40 days trial)

2003-09-02 Thread Barbie [home]
On 02 September 2003 09:53 Jason Clifford wrote:

 On Tue, 2 Sep 2003, Roger Burton West wrote:

 Both correct, though I've never seen PAR actually produce a result.

 Download a large enough set of rar component files (as in grabbing
 Buffy each week) and you'll soon find how useful par files are.

Or Charmed :)

Barbie.
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http://birmingham.pm.org/




Re: gzipping your websites WINRAR 40 days trial

2003-09-02 Thread Nicholas Clark
On Tue, Sep 02, 2003 at 07:16:40AM +, Dominic Mitchell wrote:
 For the benefit of people likely to come up against Yet Another
 Compression Format, though:
 
 http://files10.rarlab.com/rar/unrarsrc-3.2.3.tar.gz

The code in there is a lot cleaner than the last time I looked at
it. (I presume I was looking at the same official unrar source; previous
was in C, not C++).

The old version was a liturgy of bad style tips. For example, using
#include to pull in lots of other .c files, and IIRC
#define BEL 007
printf (... %c ..., BEL)

when the escape \a has been in C for a couple of decades now

Nicholas Clark



Re: Mercury Amalgam (was: insidious biometrics, identity crises)

2003-09-02 Thread Adam Turoff
On Tue, Sep 02, 2003 at 06:19:05PM +0100, Paul Makepeace wrote:
 Je 2003-09-02 18:01:12 +0100, Ben skribis:
  I mean, the RDA for vitamin C is only, what, 60 milligrams?

Right.  That's the amount determined to stave off scurvy[1].  The RDA
doesn't say anything about if you should have more, or the benefits
of having more vitamin C in your diet.  

Linus Pauling had some pretty strong opinions on this -- grams per
day IIRC.
 
 You can buy 1g megadose Vit C tablets at $chemist[rand @chemists] and I
 haven't read any contra- indications on them (may result in pissing
 shards or somesuch).

Actually, contraindications with large (oral?) doses of vitamin C involve
something called bowel tolerance.  Don't know where pissing shards is
on the spectrum.  :-)

Z.

[1] Yes, scurvy is still around.  Mostly with frat boys who subsist
on beer, soda, white bread, hot dogs, chips and burgers.




Re: Mercury Amalgam (was: insidious biometrics, identity crises)

2003-09-02 Thread Elaine -HFB- Ashton
Adam Turoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] quoth:
*
*Actually, contraindications with large (oral?) doses of vitamin C involve
*something called bowel tolerance.  Don't know where pissing shards is
*on the spectrum.  :-)

Well, Vitamin C does make a reliable abortifacient for women who are very
early in their pregnancy since it blocks the uptake of progesterone. It's
usually taken orally in very high doses and often combined with other 
herbal substances to help the process when it's a desired effect.

Many products high in Ascorbic Acid are marked with a warning for pregnant
women for this reason.

e.



Re: DOS/WIN archivers of the mid 1990s

2003-09-02 Thread robert shiels
Roger Burton West wrote:

JAR was available in 1996 or so, I think. I still have copies of most of
the archivers and compressors I was playing with in those days... anyone
remember UC2? HA? SAR? ACB?
Not really.
 

I come from a DOS background, where in the late '80s we started out with 
.arc and .pak, which migrated into .zip

pkzip2.04e, yes, I still remember the version number, so it must have 
been the standard for some time :-)

/Robert





Re: Mercury Amalgam (was: insidious biometrics, identity crises)

2003-09-02 Thread Peter Sergeant
 Well, Vitamin C does make a reliable abortifacient for women who are very
 early in their pregnancy since it blocks the uptake of progesterone. It's
 usually taken orally in very high doses and often combined with other 
 herbal substances to help the process when it's a desired effect.

Such as Pennyroyal Tea (which makes interpreting the Nirvana song of the
same name easier...), but, it seems this is *STRONGLY* discouraged...

http://www.w-cpc.org/abortion/herbal.html

+Pete




Re: Mercury Amalgam (was: insidious biometrics, identity crises)

2003-09-02 Thread Sam Vilain
On Tue, 02 Sep 2003 22:30, Adam Turoff wrote;

   Right.  That's the amount determined to stave off scurvy[1].  The
   RDA doesn't say anything about if you should have more, or the
   benefits of having more vitamin C in your diet.  
   Linus Pauling had some pretty strong opinions on this -- grams per
   day IIRC.

You're much better off just eating more fruit and vegetables though.
Get lots of Vit. C and other antioxidants at the same time.  No sense
in overdosing on just one.
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  America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence
without civilization in between.
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