Re: to anne r.RE: page wrap in pages

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Linda,

TextEdit is a simplified word processor which is very useful, but it isn't a 
professional tool.

Pages, on the other hand, is much more sophisticated and can produce all kinds 
of professional documents.

Everyone has different requirements. I couldn't work as a professional 
translator without Pages since MS Office isn't accessible. You can create 
templates in Pages which is a useful feature. It's handy to have a template for 
business letters, for instance. It can save a lot of time.

However, until you're really comfortable with VoiceOver, Pages is likely to be 
more trouble than it's worth, and TextEdit is so easy to use.

Cheers,

Anne


On 30 Jul 2013, at 16:33, Linda C. Knight  wrote:

> 
> 
> Thank you anne, Do you recommend another word processing program or would
> text edit do a great deal for a document.
> 
> I don't know if I should keep pages or not. I want a document to read
> straight through and if text edit will be good for long documents then, this
> will be nice.
> 
> Thank you for the tip. 
> 

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Re: Multilingual texts with VO

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Fresco,

VoiceOver doesn't automatically switch languages, but if you leave the Voice 
rotor on Voice, VO-Cmd-Down Arrow will switch voices rapidly.

Cheers,

Anne


On 30 Jul 2013, at 09:03, Fresco Sam-Sin  wrote:

> Dear all,
> 
> Another question, is there a way to deal with multilingual text using the 
> voiceover?
> For work, I have to read multilingual texts (dutch, mandarin, english)- 
> meaning more languages within one document. Really could use some advice.
> 
> Best,
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Re: Re-installing the OS on a MacBook Air

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Hello Andy,

You might find it useful to buy a Thunderbolt to Ethernet adaptor for your MBA 
so that you aren't solely dependent on wi-fi.

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Re: page wrap in pages

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Hello Linda,

Pages is not good for reading straight through a document. Sometimes it works 
but most often it doesn't. If this is a document created in Pages, then I'd 
just select all (Cmd-a), copy to clikpboard and paste into a TextEdit document 
which will read straight through just fine.

I set a short cut for the Service New TextEdit Window Containing Selection. You 
can do this by going to System Preferences/Keyboard/Short cuts and selecting 
Services in the first table. You'll find this option under Text in the second 
table. It's a very useful command in many situations.

Cheers,

Anne

On 30 Jul 2013, at 04:41, Linda C. Knight  wrote:

> 
> 
> 
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> 
> 
> I have a five page document on my screen in pages.
> 
> 
> 
> It stops reading at the end of the first page. Is there a setting I can set
> pages to automatically wrap? I've looked everywhere and I must be missing
> something.
> 
> 
> 
> Thank you
> 
> 
> 
> Hugs and 73
> 
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Re: Re-installing the OS on a MacBook Air

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Hello Andy,

First of all, no Macs come with boot disks anymore. That ended with the arrival 
of the Appstore, much to my regret.

All Macs running Lion or later have a recovery partition which is where you go 
to reinstall the system. Alternatively, you can download the OS again and make 
a bootable USB key, which is what I always do so that I can do a clean install 
without being obliged to connect to the internet via ethernet to ensure a 
reliable connection.

You can find information online about creating a bootable USB key.

Cheers,

Anne


On 29 Jul 2013, at 18:05, Andy Collins  wrote:

> hi all -
> 
> No panics here, I"m not in need of doing this, but need to be prepared, just 
> in case one day…
> 
> As most will know, the MacBooks do not have a cd/dvd drive, and therefore do 
> not come with a back up disk. So, how do we go about reinstalling the OS in 
> an emergency? Is there something built-in for doing the same as a boot from a 
> disc? -
> 
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Re: Numbers and Excel spreadsheets

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Andy and James,

To make a Numbers document readable in Excel, you need to use the Export 
command from the File menu. In the submenu, you'll find several options 
including Excel.

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Re: the font in OSX

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Hello Linda,

To change the font, you need to select the text to be changed before pressing 
Cmd-t to open the fonts palette. You can then use VO-Cmd-t to jump to the first 
table where you select the Collection. You can just use VO-Right arrow after 
that to go to the next table where you select the Family. VO-Right arrow twice 
more will take you to the table where you choose Regular, Italic, etc. Then to 
the right again to the size. Just press Cmd-t to close the fonts palette again 
and your text should be changed. Don't forget to press an arrow key to unselect 
the text.

Cheers,

Anne


On 24 Jul 2013, at 13:57, Linda C. Knight  wrote:

> 
> 
> 
> 
> Hi all, I am getting agrivated with the fonts in text edit. We are taking
> classes at the Lighthouse and we are to practice using text edit.
> 
> 
> 
> How do we get the fonts to work and vo to read it.
> 
> 
> 
> I know the command is vo-T, but I can't seem to get the fonts to change
> right. Does anyone have any tips before I pull out all my hair?
> 
> 
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> 
> 
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> 
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Re: Typing accented characters in iOS on the virtual keyboard

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Hello Esther,

I use the accented azerty keyboard on my iPhone, but I always seem to get an 
extra letter that I have to delete before continuing. I'd use autocorrect but 
the bubbling noises irritate me.

Cheers,

Anne


On 23 Jul 2013, at 19:22, Esther  wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> This question is mainly for Anne.  When using your iPhone without a paired 
> keyboard, what's your preferred method of typing accented characters when you 
> switch to French?  Do you use the accented azerty keyboard that became an 
> option under iOS 6?  Or do you rely on the fact that you can simply type most 
> common words unaccented and have the auto-correction feature give the correct 
> spelling when the language is set to French?  This question was prompted by 
> Brenda's question of the language rotor, since I also have Russian and French 
> among the languages in my language rotor.  However, there was a recent 
> question elsewhere by a Canadian user who switches between inputting English 
> and French on her iPhone keyboard, and wanted to speed up entry of accented 
> characters when she didn't have access to an external keyboard.  (The 
> preference was to use the touch typing rather than standard typing setting.)
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> Cheers,
> 
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Re: Reading to the end of a document

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Andy,

Josh is correct that some commands have no shortcut assigned to them but they 
can be assigned to any of the commanders. For instance, I always set a Keyboard 
commander shortcut to toggle between DOM and Groups mode for Web browsing. In 
general, I prefer Groups mode, but for some tasks, DOM is more effective.

Cheers,

Anne


On 23 Jul 2013, at 16:25, ANDY COLLINS  wrote:

> Ah yes - I guess it they show up in the table, then I could do that if I 
> particularly  felt I needed to do that. Thanks -
> 
> Andy
> - Original Message - From: "Josh Gregory" 
> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 3:21 PM
> Subject: Re: Reading to the end of a document
> 
> 
>> Hi Andy, by default, the tasks that don't have key combinations just don't 
>> have them, but I think you can create keyboard short cuts in the keyboard 
>> commander thing in the VoiceOver utility.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Jul 23, 2013, at 10:12 AM, "ANDY COLLINS"  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Anne - Thanks, that's it, I was forgetting to interact, just letting it 
>>> read through, and under those circumstances, VO A does the equivalent of VO 
>>> B, when interacting, that is, it read from the top to bottom of the 
>>> Document. While I'm here, wonder if you can tell me what is going on when I 
>>> have a look at the help menu [VO hh] if for example, I expand the text 
>>> table of tasks, I am given a key combination to achieve a task, such as VO 
>>> C to read the current character, but just on a couple of occasions, there 
>>> is a task, but no key combination, for example, near the end of the list of 
>>> tasks in the text table, there is the command to select text, and then 
>>> below that, it says "unselect text," but doesn't have a key combination to 
>>> do it. I have seen this elsewhere in VO help, where a task is listed, but 
>>> no key combination to activate it. I can't believe it's because there isn't 
>>> one, otherwise why include the task in the table in the first place? -
>>> 
>>> Andy
>>> - Original Message - From: "Anne Robertson" 
>>> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 2:38 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Reading to the end of a document
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Hello Andy,
>>>> 
>>>> As long as you're interacting with the text, VO-a will read from where you 
>>>> left off and VO-b will read from the beginning.
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> 
>>>> Anne
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 23 Jul 2013, at 15:24, Andy Collins  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi all -
>>>>> 
>>>>> I know that VO a will read an entire document, but if I'm part way 
>>>>> through reading and get interrupted, how do I read from where I was to 
>>>>> the end? Can't find the answer from the VO hh text help -
>>>>> 
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Re: Reading to the end of a document

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Hello Andy,

As long as you're interacting with the text, VO-a will read from where you left 
off and VO-b will read from the beginning.

Cheers,

Anne


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> Hi all -
> 
> I know that VO a will read an entire document, but if I'm part way through 
> reading and get interrupted, how do I read from where I was to the end? Can't 
> find the answer from the VO hh text help -
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Re: Sharing calendars.

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Hello Dónal,

Yes, BusySync does just what you want. We share quite a few calendars but not 
all, and it's been working for us for several years.

There's actually a trial version of BusyCal available from the BusyMac website 
and it's cheaper than BusySync, so you might like to try that.

Cheers,

Anne


On 23 Jul 2013, at 10:03, Dónal Fitzpatrick  wrote:

> Thanks Anne I'd found it there but wanted to make sure that was in fact the 
> situation.  
> 
> The kind of scenario I'm trying to create here is one where my wife and I can 
> read and write to a "home" calendar, and she can also see my work one.  DO 
> you reckon busysync would handle it?
> 
> As I said I'm happy enough to stick with google Calendar but just said I'd 
> throw this out there.
> 
> Dµnal
> On 23 Jul 2013, at 07:25, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
>> Hello Dónal,
>> 
>> 
>> BusyCal is a different product, so maybe they've stopped developing 
>> BusySync. It still works for us with ML, so maybe it would be worth your 
>> while downloading it from MacUpdate. It appears to cost $39 from there. 
>> Here's the link:
>> <https://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/25922/busysync>
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>> On 22 Jul 2013, at 23:36, Dónal Fitzpatrick  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Anne,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I've looked at that site and I'm not seeing "busy sync".  I just want to 
>>> check:  does it come as part of busycal?  
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Dónal
>>> On 22 Jul 2013, at 22:26, Anne Robertson  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hello Dónal,
>>>> 
>>>> We've been using BusySync to syncronise our calendars for years. It's a 
>>>> preference pane and you can select which calendars to sync.
>>>> 
>>>> The publisher is:
>>>> <http://www.busymac.com/>
>>>> 
>>>> They also do BusyCal which apparently replaces the Calendar app but we 
>>>> haven't tried that.
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> 
>>>> Anne
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 22 Jul 2013, at 22:32, Dónal Fitzpatrick  
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> 
>>>>> At present, I use Google Calendar to sync all of my calendar data between 
>>>>> all of my devices.  I do this, because when I set it up my wife was using 
>>>>> an Android phone and iCal (or calendar on the iPhone) didn't play nicely 
>>>>> with Android devices.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Now she's come from the dark side and is using an iPhone, is there a way 
>>>>> of "sharing" calendars?  I'm perfectly happy to continue using the google 
>>>>> one, but just thought I'd ask out of curiosity.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Dónal
>>>>> Dr. Dónal Fitzpatrick,
>>>>> School of Computing, 
>>>>> Dublin City University,
>>>>> Glasnevin, 
>>>>> Dublin 9, Ireland
>>>>> Tel. +353-(0)1-700-8929
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Re: Sharing calendars.

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Dónal,


BusyCal is a different product, so maybe they've stopped developing BusySync. 
It still works for us with ML, so maybe it would be worth your while 
downloading it from MacUpdate. It appears to cost $39 from there. Here's the 
link:
<https://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/25922/busysync>

Cheers,

Anne


On 22 Jul 2013, at 23:36, Dónal Fitzpatrick  wrote:

> Hi Anne,
> 
> 
> I've looked at that site and I'm not seeing "busy sync".  I just want to 
> check:  does it come as part of busycal?  
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Dónal
> On 22 Jul 2013, at 22:26, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
>> Hello Dónal,
>> 
>> We've been using BusySync to syncronise our calendars for years. It's a 
>> preference pane and you can select which calendars to sync.
>> 
>> The publisher is:
>> <http://www.busymac.com/>
>> 
>> They also do BusyCal which apparently replaces the Calendar app but we 
>> haven't tried that.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>> On 22 Jul 2013, at 22:32, Dónal Fitzpatrick  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> At present, I use Google Calendar to sync all of my calendar data between 
>>> all of my devices.  I do this, because when I set it up my wife was using 
>>> an Android phone and iCal (or calendar on the iPhone) didn't play nicely 
>>> with Android devices.
>>> 
>>> Now she's come from the dark side and is using an iPhone, is there a way of 
>>> "sharing" calendars?  I'm perfectly happy to continue using the google one, 
>>> but just thought I'd ask out of curiosity.
>>> 
>>> Dónal
>>> Dr. Dónal Fitzpatrick,
>>> School of Computing, 
>>> Dublin City University,
>>> Glasnevin, 
>>> Dublin 9, Ireland
>>> Tel. +353-(0)1-700-8929
>>> fax: +353-(0)1-700-5442
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Re: Sharing calendars.

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Hello Dónal,

We've been using BusySync to syncronise our calendars for years. It's a 
preference pane and you can select which calendars to sync.

The publisher is:


They also do BusyCal which apparently replaces the Calendar app but we haven't 
tried that.

Cheers,

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On 22 Jul 2013, at 22:32, Dónal Fitzpatrick  wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> At present, I use Google Calendar to sync all of my calendar data between all 
> of my devices.  I do this, because when I set it up my wife was using an 
> Android phone and iCal (or calendar on the iPhone) didn't play nicely with 
> Android devices.
> 
> Now she's come from the dark side and is using an iPhone, is there a way of 
> "sharing" calendars?  I'm perfectly happy to continue using the google one, 
> but just thought I'd ask out of curiosity.
> 
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Re: Using the say command?

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Hello Gena,

Yes, I've used the Say command with VoiceOver. I have it set to Cmd-F9 and I 
just tested it with your message.

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> VoiceOver?
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Re: Saving favourite links

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Hello Andy,

The Copy link option in the contextual menu doesn't always work. It all depends 
on how the page was coded. However, when on a link, VO-Shift-u will read the 
actual link and VO-Shift-c will copy it to the clipboard. It was the Copy link 
command that failed when I tried to give you the direct download link for Get 
iPlayer Automator.

Cmd-l will open the addresss bar and highlight the address already in it. This 
means that you can copy the address with Cmd-c.

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Re: The insertion point when working with text

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and select Speak text to the right of the cursor.

Personally, I like the standard Mac way of doing things which is that the 
insertion point is to the right of what you just heard when navigating to the 
right, and to the left of what you just heard when navigating to the left. This 
seems logical to me.

Cheers,

Anne


On 19 Jul 2013, at 14:57, Andy Collins  wrote:

> Hi all -
> 
> At the moment, the way things are set up is confusing me when I am trying to 
> edit text in mail or Text Editor. When I try to delete a character, or 
> correct a spelling manually, I'm fiddling about trying to get the focus on 
> the right character to delete. All too often, I find the wrong character has 
> been deleted, because the insertion point [if that's the correct term for it] 
> is focussed somewhere else in the word than where I expect it to be. 
> How/where do I look to change this, so it works in the more familiar way I'm 
> use to from using JAWS? -
> 
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Re: Mail busy message

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Hello Carol,

Often, when you're not allowed to shut down or quit an application, it's 
because there's a dialogue box open. Use the Window chooser (VO-F2-F2) to see 
what's there.

Have you looked for someone to give you some basic Mac and VoiceOver training? 
It might help you get up and running. I can't help you with that because I'm in 
France and all my basic teaching materials are in French. I also only teach Mac 
beginners face to face rather than on the phone or via Skype. But I'm sure 
there must be someone who can help you get familiar with your Mac.

Cheers,

Anne


On 18 Jul 2013, at 19:10, Carol Pearson  wrote:

> Thanks and I'll keep this information safe.
> 
> Last night, the Mac told me that it could not close down because something 
> Was still working in finder. It suggested I should stop applications etc, but 
> I haven't a clue where to go!
> 
> I finally had to give in and reluctantly do a force quit!
> 
> If you can tell me how to deal more gently and effectively with this problem 
> in the future, that would be most useful, thanks!
> 
> Carol P
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Re: BBC IPlayer revisited

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Hello Andy,

Try this link. It should start the download directly:



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On 18 Jul 2013, at 18:21, ANDY COLLINS  wrote:

> Anne - This isn't a clickable link. Also, if I use the link from your 
> previous message, and envoke the roater, there are 2 links for Get iPlayer 
> Automator, nothing for Get iPlayer Automator1, and clicking on the links, 
> just brings up the same confusing page I was struggling with yesterday, 
> namely the one that has links for smalldark... etc. I can't find any definite 
> download for Get iPlayer Automator. So many of us seem to struggle with this 
> programme, either getting it, or interacting with it  -
> 
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Re: Mail busy message

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Hello Andy and Carol,

I really don't have this problem with Mail and I receive hundreds of messages 
every day. However, I have some suggestions.

Whenever applications are behaving unreasonably, I find it useful to repair 
permissions. You do this by opening the Utilities folder (Cmd-Shift-u) and 
opening Disk Utility.

In Disk Utility, there is a table with which you interact to find your internal 
hard drive. It's usually the second item in the table and is often called 
Macintosh HD. Select it and stop interacting. Then navigate twice right and 
check that First Aid is selected.

Navigate down from there to the button Repair Disk Permissions and click it.

You can follow the progress of the permissions repair by navigating up to 
Results and interacting with that table.

When the repair is complete, the bottom line will say as much and you can quit 
the Utility.

Cheers,

Anne


On 18 Jul 2013, at 18:30, ANDY COLLINS  wrote:

> Hi Carol - I'm actually finding mail a bit of a pain, just when I think I can 
> navigate it ok, the appearance changes, or Having interacted with a message, 
> when I stop, I am thrown out in to somewhere I didn't expect to be, and can't 
> get back to my messages without some fiddling about. I've searched around for 
> help, and have heard a couple of Pods referring to mail, but nothing really 
> that has given an in-depth explanation of how it works, and how to best set 
> it up. I'm a bit like this in Safari or Chrome, I think I've grasped 
> navigating etc, only to encounter something that throws me, and then 
> frustrates me too! -
> 
> Andy
> - Original Message - From: "Carol Pearson" 
> 
> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 5:07 PM
> Subject: Re: Mail busy message
> 
> 
>> Andy,
>> 
>> I have been having similar problems.
>> 
>> One thing that sometimes seems to help me is, instead of stopping reacting 
>> in messages, to cycle between the reading of headers or messages, and I 
>> think this is the third one that sometimes comes up, but I can't remember 
>> offhand what it is.
>> 
>> We both are getting there slowly! I think there may be a keystroke we're 
>> both missing, so I hope somebody will chime in here!
>> 
>> Carol P
>> Sent from my iPhone using BrailleTouch
>> 
>> On 18 Jul 2013, at 04:58 PM, Andy Collins  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all -
>>> 
>>> A lot of the time, when I stop interacting with messages table in mail, VO 
>>> says "busy." The only way I can get out of this is by quitting the app, and 
>>> reopening it. Do others have this issue? Can anything be done about it? -
>>> 
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Re: BBC IPlayer revisited

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Hello Andy,

I think if you click on this link, it should download automatically:


If not, using my previous link, open the Web rotor and in the links list, 
select the link Get iPlayer Automator which is immediately below Get iPlayer 
Automator1.

Cheers,

Anne

 On 17 Jul 2013, at 23:34, ANDY COLLINS  wrote:

> Hi Anne - Thanks for this. I've just tried to grab it, but the download link 
> for it isn't too clear. There only appears to be one download link, but it is 
> talking about iPlayer downloader rather than Get iPlayer Automator. As there 
> are other iplayer flavours mentioned too, such as iPlayer plus, I'm not clear 
> on quite what it is i'm looking for? -
> 
> Andy
> - Original Message - From: "Anne Robertson" 
> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 9:18 PM
> Subject: Re: BBC IPlayer revisited
> 
> 
>> Hello Andy,
>> 
>> Here's the link:
>> <https://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/39019/get-iplayer-automator>
>> 
>> Here's how to use GetIplayerAutomator.
>> 
>> You need to press Return after entering the programme name in the search 
>> box. You then select the one you want from the Results table and click Add 
>> to queue. Then interact with the tool bar and click Start. Stop interacting 
>> with the tool bar and go to last visible item where you can follow the 
>> progress of the download.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> On 17 Jul 2013, at 21:53, Andy Collins  wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks Anne - I was only aware of people seeming to be having difficulty 
>>> with it, but I will give it a go. Do you happen to have the link for it? 
>>> Sorry, but with everything going on here in terms of learning the Mac, I 
>>> didn't keep track of that thread -
>>> 
>>> Andy
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Re: BBC IPlayer revisited

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Hello Andy,

Here's the link:


Here's how to use GetIplayerAutomator.

You need to press Return after entering the programme name in the search box. 
You then select the one you want from the Results table and click Add to queue. 
Then interact with the tool bar and click Start. Stop interacting with the tool 
bar and go to last visible item where you can follow the progress of the 
download.

Cheers,

Anne
On 17 Jul 2013, at 21:53, Andy Collins  wrote:

> Thanks Anne - I was only aware of people seeming to be having difficulty with 
> it, but I will give it a go. Do you happen to have the link for it? Sorry, 
> but with everything going on here in terms of learning the Mac, I didn't keep 
> track of that thread -
> 
> Andy

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Re: BBC IPlayer revisited

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Hello Andy,

Get iPlayer Automator is really easy to use, so don't worry about it.

Cheers,

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On 17 Jul 2013, at 21:32, Andy Collins  wrote:

> Hi Anne - Ah! My previous attempt were for listen again for radio, this is 
> the first time there's been a TV programme I've wanted to catch up on. So, 
> looks like I'll have to get the get iPlayer automator after all. Sounds a bit 
> of a nightmare from what little I've read, but we'll see -
> 
> Andy
> On 17 Jul 2013, at 19:41, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
>> Hello Andy,
>> 
>> If you're talking about BBC television, then your only option is Get iPlayer 
>> Automator.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>> On 17 Jul 2013, at 18:54, Andy Collins  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all -
>>> 
>>> Sorry to revisit this, but need some more help from a UK resident.
>>> 
>>> This time, I was trying to listen to a programme that was on BBC2 on Monday 
>>> [15th] at 8.30 in the evening. It was Count Arthur Strong. I have no 
>>> problem locating the particular programme, using both Safari and Chrome, 
>>> but I am still unable to find a way to play the programme. I have tried the 
>>> suggestions offered before, such as using the item chooser, or the roter to 
>>> get in to links, and search for listen or play or watch, but nothing doing. 
>>> Whatever I do, I always get taken to the IPlayer, and I see the 'keyboard 
>>> access help' link, and of course, that is just for those using JAWS and 
>>> NVDA. Anyway, after that keyboard help link, comes the video player, but it 
>>> isn't a standard link, so can't be clicked. The only difference here 
>>> between Safari and Chrome, is that where as Safari does nothing when VO 
>>> space is pressed, Chrome will say something like video player html.
>>> 
>>> If perhaps Anne, or somebody else could be kind enough to see if they can 
>>> get this programme to play, and give me the steps that made is possible, 
>>> I'd be  extremely grateful as I just can't get anywhere with it. I know 
>>> there is Get IPlayer, but from all the struggles people seem to be having 
>>> with that, I''m not sure I want to go in that direction, unless absolutely 
>>> nothing else will work.
>>> 
>>> Many thanks -
>>> 
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Re: BBC IPlayer revisited

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Andy,

If you're talking about BBC television, then your only option is Get iPlayer 
Automator.

Cheers,

Anne


On 17 Jul 2013, at 18:54, Andy Collins  wrote:

> Hi all -
> 
> Sorry to revisit this, but need some more help from a UK resident.
> 
> This time, I was trying to listen to a programme that was on BBC2 on Monday 
> [15th] at 8.30 in the evening. It was Count Arthur Strong. I have no problem 
> locating the particular programme, using both Safari and Chrome, but I am 
> still unable to find a way to play the programme. I have tried the 
> suggestions offered before, such as using the item chooser, or the roter to 
> get in to links, and search for listen or play or watch, but nothing doing. 
> Whatever I do, I always get taken to the IPlayer, and I see the 'keyboard 
> access help' link, and of course, that is just for those using JAWS and NVDA. 
> Anyway, after that keyboard help link, comes the video player, but it isn't a 
> standard link, so can't be clicked. The only difference here between Safari 
> and Chrome, is that where as Safari does nothing when VO space is pressed, 
> Chrome will say something like video player html.
> 
> If perhaps Anne, or somebody else could be kind enough to see if they can get 
> this programme to play, and give me the steps that made is possible, I'd be  
> extremely grateful as I just can't get anywhere with it. I know there is Get 
> IPlayer, but from all the struggles people seem to be having with that, I''m 
> not sure I want to go in that direction, unless absolutely nothing else will 
> work.
> 
> Many thanks -
> 
> Andy
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Re: get iplayer automator (was Accessible Internet Browsers) For theMack and Voiceover withMountain Lion

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Judy,

Here's how to use GetIplayerAutomator.

You need to press Return after entering the programme name in the search box. 
You then select the one you want from the Results table and click Add to queue. 
Then interact with the tool bar and click Start. Stop interacting with the tool 
bar and go to last visible item where you can follow the progress of the 
download.

Cheers,

Anne


On 12 Jul 2013, at 16:35, Judy Pryor  wrote:

> Hi Paul I could not receive your attachment either.  I have had automator for 
> a while and I just cannot work it at all.  I do not understand what all the 
> buttons are for particualy the plus and dash   ones I type in what I want to 
> watch and it comes in to the table then I am unable to listen to it having 
> clicked everything I could think of.  Its version 1.5.3536 and I am running 
> mountain lion.  I think you have to subscribe to the access it magazine, 
> which issue is your imput in.  I hope you can help.  Judy
> - Original Message - From: "Paul Hopewell" 
> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Monday, July 08, 2013 1:28 PM
> Subject: Re: get iplayer automator (was Accessible Internet Browsers) For 
> theMack and Voiceover withMountain Lion
> 
> 
> Hello,
> FYI I attach an article on Get iPlayer Automator which I recently submitted 
> to the RNIB online magazine Access IT.
> Enjoy
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --------
> 
> 
> wawsxx I have just published
> On 8 Jul 2013, at 11:59, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
>> Hello Andy,
>> 
>> Don't despair! There's a solution.
>> 
>> The app you need is Get iPlayer Automator
>> 
>> <https://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/39019/get-iplayer-automator>
>> 
>> It works even outside the UK.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> On 8 Jul 2013, at 12:05, ANDY COLLINS  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all -
>>> 
>>> New to the Mac, only had my MacBook Air for 3 weeks. I'm interested in the 
>>> possibility of using a different web browser, as I want to use
>>> 
>>> www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer
>>> 
>>> to listen to radio/TV programmes I miss, here in the UK. I'm able to find 
>>> the programme I want to listen too, but the play button is a graphic, and 
>>> VO can't see it. JAWS under Windows was ok with this, as the BBC was made 
>>> aware of the problem, and made it accessible, but they don't appear to have 
>>> taken Mac users in to consideration. I'll contact them about this, but in 
>>> the meantime, don't want to keep missing programmes. Of course, I could be 
>>> wrong, and maybe there is a way to have VO see the play button when in a 
>>> graphic, and I just don't know how to make it happen, so if anybody knows 
>>> if VO can be made to see these graphic buttons, I'd appreciate the 
>>> knowledge -
>>> 
>>> Andy
>>> - Original Message - From: "Paul Hopewell" 
>>> 
>>> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
>>> Sent: Monday, July 08, 2013 9:56 AM
>>> Subject: Re: Accessible Internet Browsers For the Mack and Voiceover 
>>> withMountain Lion
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Hello,
>>>> I find that the lightning browser works fine with VoiceOver and often 
>>>> allows me to access buttons and the like which Safari cannot find for 
>>>> whatever reason. I recommend that you give it a go. It is in the App store.
>>>> 
>>>> Paul Hopewell
>>>> 
>>>> On 8 Jul 2013, at 02:02, gaggor...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hello Listers:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I heard that there are other options for browsers which are compatible 
>>>>> with
>>>>> Voiceover.  Is this true?  If so, where do I obtain swuch a one?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Any help would be appreciated.  Thanks much.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Andrew
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Re: getting there

[Anne Robertson]

Hello John,

I clicked on your link and it started streaming immediately. I only have Safari 
on my Mac, so I suspect you need to install both Flash player and Flip4Mac.

Cheers,

Anne


On 8 Jul 2013, at 21:44, John Gallagher  wrote:

> Hi all
> Well after a hard day's learning I feel I have made great progres.
> one thing in safari to play media like www.williamhillradio.com do you need 
> to install some kind of flash or is this why people are asking about other 
> browsers>? thanks.
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Re: Listening to BBC radio with a Mac

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Hello Andy,

First of all, you need to install Flash player if you haven't done so already.

On the BBC 5 Live page, type Victoria Derbyshire into the search box and press 
Return.

When the page has loaded, use the Web rotor to find the heading with iPlayer 
and the number of results.

When you locate the date you want, click the link, there are two for each 
result, both of which work.

On the next page, use the item chooser to find Listen now and click it.

Cheers,

Anne


On 8 Jul 2013, at 21:23, Andy Collins  wrote:

> Hi Anne - I've changed the subject to reflect where we are with this topic.
> 
> I am able to listen live to BBC stations, but can't use the listen again 
> feature. For example, I wanted to listen to the Victoria Derbyshire show from 
> last Friday, and although I could go to
> 
> www.bbc.co.uk/fivelive
> 
> instead of going strait to the BBC Iplayer. When I found the programme, I 
> still couldn't see how to play it. I could see that there were four days left 
> to listen, and a summary of who was on the programme, and even going from 
> there to the Item Chooser, still couldn't find a play link or button.
> 
> Any more you can add?
> 
> Thanks -
> 

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Re: Accessible Internet Browsers For the Mack andVoiceoverwithMountain Lion

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Hello Andy,

I can listen again to radio programmes by going to the appropriate BBC web page 
and clicking on the Listen now button. I can't pause the stream, but it does 
play straight through. Use the Item chooser (VO-i) to find the Listen now 
button quickly.

Cheers,

Anne


On 8 Jul 2013, at 18:22, ANDY COLLINS  wrote:

> Chris - are you using a Mac? You might like to go to a BBC station and find 
> and click the listen link. That's the ting, they appear to be links for the 
> live streams, but graphical buttons for the listen again Iplayer -
> 
> Andy
> - Original Message - From: "Chris H" 
> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Monday, July 08, 2013 4:59 PM
> Subject: Re: Accessible Internet Browsers For the Mack 
> andVoiceoverwithMountain Lion
> 
> 
>> Andy, not sure then, I thought Bbc used Flash throughout.
>> 
>> On 08/07/2013 15:25, ANDY COLLINS wrote:
>>> Chris - Perhaps I'm not understanding the use of Flash, but why can I
>>> listen to live streams from the BBC, just not old programmes with the
>>> iPlayer -
>>> 
>>> Andy
>>> - Original Message - From: "Chris H" 
>>> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
>>> Sent: Monday, July 08, 2013 11:54 AM
>>> Subject: Re: Accessible Internet Browsers For the Mack and
>>> VoiceoverwithMountain Lion
>>> 
>>> 
 Hi all it's not the Bbc's fault it's Adobe's for not making their
 Flash Player accessible on the mac. There's no fix any time soon either.
 
 On 08/07/2013 11:05, ANDY COLLINS wrote:
> Hi all -
> 
> New to the Mac, only had my MacBook Air for 3 weeks. I'm interested in
> the possibility of using a different web browser, as I want to use
> 
> www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer
> 
> to listen to radio/TV programmes I miss, here in the UK. I'm able to
> find the programme I want to listen too, but the play button is a
> graphic, and VO can't see it. JAWS under Windows was ok with this, as
> the BBC was made aware of the problem, and made it accessible, but they
> don't appear to have taken Mac users in to consideration. I'll contact
> them about this, but in the meantime, don't want to keep missing
> programmes. Of course, I could be wrong, and maybe there is a way to
> have VO see the play button when in a graphic, and I just don't know how
> to make it happen, so if anybody knows if VO can be made to see these
> graphic buttons, I'd appreciate the knowledge -
> 
> Andy
> - Original Message - From: "Paul Hopewell"
> 
> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Monday, July 08, 2013 9:56 AM
> Subject: Re: Accessible Internet Browsers For the Mack and Voiceover
> withMountain Lion
> 
> 
>> Hello,
>> I find that the lightning browser works fine with VoiceOver and often
>> allows me to access buttons and the like which Safari cannot find for
>> whatever reason. I recommend that you give it a go. It is in the App
>> store.
>> 
>> Paul Hopewell
>> 
>> On 8 Jul 2013, at 02:02, gaggor...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello Listers:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I heard that there are other options for browsers which are
>>> compatible with
>>> Voiceover.  Is this true?  If so, where do I obtain swuch a one?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Any help would be appreciated.  Thanks much.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Andrew
>>> 
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Re: Accessible Internet Browsers For the Mack and Voiceover withMountain Lion

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Andy,

Don't despair! There's a solution.

The app you need is Get iPlayer Automator



It works even outside the UK.

Cheers,

Anne

On 8 Jul 2013, at 12:05, ANDY COLLINS  wrote:

> Hi all -
> 
> New to the Mac, only had my MacBook Air for 3 weeks. I'm interested in the 
> possibility of using a different web browser, as I want to use
> 
> www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer
> 
> to listen to radio/TV programmes I miss, here in the UK. I'm able to find the 
> programme I want to listen too, but the play button is a graphic, and VO 
> can't see it. JAWS under Windows was ok with this, as the BBC was made aware 
> of the problem, and made it accessible, but they don't appear to have taken 
> Mac users in to consideration. I'll contact them about this, but in the 
> meantime, don't want to keep missing programmes. Of course, I could be wrong, 
> and maybe there is a way to have VO see the play button when in a graphic, 
> and I just don't know how to make it happen, so if anybody knows if VO can be 
> made to see these graphic buttons, I'd appreciate the knowledge -
> 
> Andy
> - Original Message - From: "Paul Hopewell" 
> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Monday, July 08, 2013 9:56 AM
> Subject: Re: Accessible Internet Browsers For the Mack and Voiceover 
> withMountain Lion
> 
> 
>> Hello,
>> I find that the lightning browser works fine with VoiceOver and often allows 
>> me to access buttons and the like which Safari cannot find for whatever 
>> reason. I recommend that you give it a go. It is in the App store.
>> 
>> Paul Hopewell
>> 
>> On 8 Jul 2013, at 02:02, gaggor...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello Listers:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I heard that there are other options for browsers which are compatible with
>>> Voiceover.  Is this true?  If so, where do I obtain swuch a one?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Any help would be appreciated.  Thanks much.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Andrew
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Re: no joy with my new mac

[Anne Robertson]

To reset the PRAM, you have to hold down Command, Option, p and r, then press 
the Power key and keep holding down the four keys until you hear the chime four 
times. Release the four keys and the machine will boot normally.

Also, having done updates, it's a good idea to repair permissions.

Cheers,

Anne


On 7 Jul 2013, at 19:28, Chris H  wrote:

> Am I correct in thinking you can press command, p, r in that order when you 
> hear the chimes to reset the PRam or something?
> 
> On 07/07/2013 15:54, John Gallagher wrote:
>> Hi all
>> Just set up my new mac did some downloads or should I say updates then
>> it says restart.
>> we restarted the machine and no joy what ever we do it sounds as as if
>> it loads and Heather says the screen is blank so a bad start.
>> is there an actual re set button some where.
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Re: no joy with my new mac

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Hello John,

Have you tried pressing Command-F5 to turn VoiceOver on?

Also, did the shop set up the computer for you?

Cheers,

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On 7 Jul 2013, at 18:50, John Gallagher  wrote:

> Hi there it's brand new from laptops direct in Huddersfield.
> apparently when I switch on it shows the apple logo the music sound plays the 
> disk whirls and you wait and wait nothing at all.
> should I have created a mac os 10 cd?
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Re: Rookie Safari questions

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Hello Stan,

To be able to return to the spot on a webpage that you just left, you need to 
open the link in a new window by getting a contextual menu (VO-Shift-m). The 
first option is Open Link in New Window. You can then just close that window 
and you'll be back where you started.

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On 6 Jul 2013, at 19:43, Stan Gowin  wrote:

> Greetings,
> 
> I'm still getting used to my Macbook Pro with Mountain Lion and VoiceOver.
> As an old Windows / IE hand I'm finding Safari a little frustrating.
> 
> Can someone recommend sites or podcasts where I may learn more about using
> Safari. I've been using an iPhone for a couple of years, so I'm not really
> having problems wih Voice Over but with Safari itself.
> 
> The exception is one annoying problem when navigating back to a web page.
> Is there a way to get Safari and Voice Over to resume speaking or
> navigating where I left the page? For example, if I'm reading  my list of
> GMail, and I select a message link, read the message on a new page, then go
> back to the GMail message list, is it possible to have the "focus" on the
> link I previously activated?
> 
> Thank you for your suggestions.
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Re: Tables For Mac

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You can also create a table in Numbers and paste it into a Pages document. But 
with Pages, if you select the table, you can set it to Floating in the Wrap 
inspector and then read it or edit it as you please.

Pages is also a lot cheaper than Nisus Writer Pro.

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On 23 Jun 2013, at 11:05, Dane Trethowan  wrote:

> Actually it was was the person who taught me a bit about the Microsoft Office 
> products who really put me onto this, far easier to create a table in Excel 
> than it is in Word, just paste the table into Word when you've finished your 
> creation.
> 
> I couldn't for the life of me see why the same principle couldn't apply when 
> using something like Nisus Writer Pro where you can't actually access the 
> table in a Nisus Writer document - you know the table is there as Voiceover 
> announces the image but you can't do much with it -.

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On 22 Jun 2013, at 20:47, Christian Schoepplein  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> after trying arround for a few days to format a document (Vitae Cursus) with 
> Latex I have to say, that a simple text processing programm for the Mac would 
> be really nice :-). I used Latex some times in the past to write normal texts 
> and letters and that worked fine, but for a document which is structured with 
> many tables and contains a picture, my knowletge of Latex isn't enough. Also 
> the output has to be reviewed by a sighted person, because many things can 
> went wrong and formating is broken :-(.
> 
> Now I wonder, if there is a textprocessing software for the Mac out there 
> which can be used without big barrieres with VoiceOver? I've heard that Nisus 
> Writer Pro is good to use, but how about tables for examble? Tables are not 
> accessible in apples writer, is this better with the Nisus Writer? Can I 
> controll the format of a document or do I also have to ask a sighted person 
> after I've finished work if the look of the document is OK?
> 
> I do not need to create complicated documents, no need for foodnotes and such 
> things, but headlines, lists and tables should work.
> 
> Thanks for any hint and all the best from Munich,
> 
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I use Pages to handle MS Word documents. This works fine unless there are lots 
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There can also be problems with missing fonts, but this is true even if you 
have Office for Mac and can also be true between Windows machines. It all 
depends on which fonts you have installed.

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On 22 Jun 2013, at 10:05, Shaun Oliver  wrote:

> Hi all,
> can someone point me in teh right direction as to teh best solution for 
> working with MS word documents from within my mac?
> given that I deal with people that insist on using a certain other operating 
> system with it's accompanying office package, I need some level of 
> compatibility and interoperability with said documents.
> Thanks in advance.
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Re: preview in oSX 10.8.4

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The only improvement I'm aware of is that Preview now renders accented letters 
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VO read French very strangely.

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On 20 Jun 2013, at 16:12, Dónal Fitzpatrick  wrote:

> Folks,
> 
> Just out of curiosity what improvements are you seeing between preview and VO 
> in the latest update to mountain lion?  I’m not discerning a thing.  I note 
> that:
> 
> 1. in single page mode VO sees no text;
> 2.  In continuous scroll mode it still does not read everything.
> 
> Just for reference, not only did I install the combo, but did a complete 
> reinstall of the OS to ascertain whether this would have an affect and sadly 
> not.
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Re: Mail verbosity, improving productivity

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In ML, threads are called conversations, but they're still there in classic 
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On 15 Jun 2013, at 21:35, Mary Otten  wrote:

> Am I correct in assuming that the only way to get threaded mail is with the 
> new mail view? I'm still on snow leopard but will probably be getting a 
> notebook or a newer desktop in the fairly near future. I love the way my mail 
> reads now, where I can just hear  the subject line and vo plus j to the 
> preview pane and back again to the message list. Very efficient, except for 
> the lack of ability to delete a whole thread at once. With the new mail view, 
> I wonder if I'd be gaining that much with threading if it means a lot more 
> verbosity and vo interaction with messages in a thread.
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You need to go back to VoiceOver Utility and show all the other voice options, 
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> hi all, i’m having a bit of a problem. the other day i was playing with the 
> other voice options or whatever it’s called in voiceover utility i checked it 
> and changed the voices to what i wanted, then i didn’t like it so i tried to 
> change it all back again. now, when i want to change the default voice i get 
> alex reading most things and the default reading only some, for example, the 
> new voice will say, finder, then alex will say the contents of the finder 
> window. i’ve unchecked the other voice options and it will not let the new 
> voice read everything, if i want that i have to check that other voice 
> options again and change everything manually, e.g, contents voice, atributes 
> voice, etc. i just want it back the way it was before, when you selected a 
> default voice it was the default voice. sorry i hope you all understand what 
> i’m on about lol. amy
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Re: scanning and ocr app for mac

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Hello Courtney,

The express version of ABBYY FineReader for Mac is the only version, so yes, it 
works fine.

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On 9 Jun 2013, at 16:59, Moop Curran  wrote:

> Hi ann, 
> So will the express version of this app that I can buy from the app store 
> work okay? 
> Courtney 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> Hello Courtney,
>> 
>> ABBYY FineReader is the best scanning and OCR app for the Mac. It's easy to 
>> use and does a very good job.
>> 
>> Prizmo for Mac is accessible but horrible to use and doesn't correct the 
>> orientation, which is not good for us.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>> On 9 Jun 2013, at 04:02, Moop Curran  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> Will abbyy fine reader express from the mac app store suit my needs for 
>>> doing ocr of written documents on the mac? If not, what program will? Also, 
>>> there is a version of prismo for the mac, is it accessible?
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Re: scanning and ocr app for mac

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ABBYY FineReader is the best scanning and OCR app for the Mac. It's easy to use 
and does a very good job.

Prizmo for Mac is accessible but horrible to use and doesn't correct the 
orientation, which is not good for us.

Cheers,

Anne


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> Hi,
> Will abbyy fine reader express from the mac app store suit my needs for doing 
> ocr of written documents on the mac? If not, what program will? Also, there 
> is a version of prismo for the mac, is it accessible?
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Unfortunate experience with new Mac

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Hello everyone,

Last Monday, a day before the arrival of two students for a three-day VoiceOver 
course, one of our two MacBook Pros that we use for training gave up the ghost. 
It was running hotter and hotter so I shut it down and let it cool off. I then 
zapped the PRam, but it never booted again. That machine has always been 
temperamental, but it seems to have suffered a fatal stroke this time!

What to do with two students, neither of whom could bring a machine of their 
own?

Well, my MacBook Air that I've been very happy with is two years old, so we 
decided I could have a new one as an early birthday present.

My husband bought me a lovely new 11-inch MBA with 256 GB SSD and 8 GB of RAM 
(just what I wanted!). He brought it home from Paris, along with our two 
students.

It was after dinner before I could even unpack my new toy. I booted it up and 
set the language and keyboard, then imported my data from my Time Machine 
backup.

That's when disaster struck! This new machine told me that I could now start 
enjoying using Lion! But my password didn't work! I couldn't access my new 
computer and get Mountain Lion. Apparently, because my new MBA is a higher spec 
machine than most people buy, it had been in the Louvres Applestore since just 
before Mountain Lion started shipping with new computers.

Luckily, we always keep a USB key with the latest OS on it. So I shut down my 
new MBA and did a clean install of Mountain Lion. I then had to import all my 
data once again.

The next problem was the Infovox iVox voices that started nagging me. I set 
everything to use Fred, but as long as the Infovox iVox voices were on my 
system, I couldn't do a thing with VoiceOver.

I'm lucky to have a sighted husband who knows an awful lot about Macs. So he 
was able to remove the voices from my system.

We then had to set up my old MBA in French and with a new user name for one of 
the students.

This was Archie's job first thing on Wednesday morning while I ran through some 
basics with our students.

Well, the students have now left and they said they were delighted with the 
course. But we're absolutely exhausted! And I can now start looking at tweaking 
my new toy and putting the Infovox iVox voices back on it under less stressful 
circumstances. It really is an incredibly fast machine!

Cheers,

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Re: Using finder in date view

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Hello David,

On a British keyboard, the vertical line character is shift on the key two to 
the right of semicolon. That's the key just to the left of the long bit of the 
Return key.

So, to sort the column, press VO-Shift-backslash, then VO-Space, then 
VO-Shift-Backslash again.

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Re: Using finder in date view

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Hello David,

I always use the Finder in List view which allows sorting by date or anything 
else. To open a folder in List view, you can either do Cmd-Down Arrow or Cmd-o. 
Cmd-Up arrow takes you back to the parent folder.

I'm sorry, I can't relate this to Windows as I've never used Windows.

Cheers,

Anne


On 27 May 2013, at 20:21, David Griffith  wrote:

> I am having a lot of problems using Finder in anything apart from Name
> arrangement.
> If I go to the view menu and change  the view settings to date modified or
> date created or any date setting I   find it virtually impossible to make
> any sense out of finder.
> 
> I did this today in my Music folder and I was placed in a view where I had a
> "Group" called Today.
> However trying to interact with this group got me nowhere. I tried to
> navigate to see if there were some sub folders without success. I could not
> open the Today group either.
> 
> Cursoring down I found some confusing folders which did not relate  to my
> original folder I was in . I eventually found my Music folder but again
> could not do anything useful with this.
> I am using column view by default.
> I must admit I was hoping to find a simple rearrangement of the sort order
> in the same way as you get in Windows but I am totally confused by this way
> of doing things.
> 
> Rearranging the sort order to name recovered the situation but I would like
> to sort files by at least date modified on occasions to help me locate files
> .
> Is there any tutorial on using finder with Date arrangements which can make
> this process useful with Voiceover?
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> 
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Re: batch converting documents using fine reader on the mac can it bedone?

[Anne Robertson]

Hello David,

FineReader for Mac can convert multiple pages in one batch, but it can't put 
them into separate files. So, if all the JPG images are in one file, it can be 
opened with FineReader and all the images will be converted. I regularly give 
FineReader files of TIFF images from VueScan and it works fine.

Cheers,

Anne


On 27 May 2013, at 08:48, David Griffith  wrote:

> Oh Dear 
> 
> Someone has asked me for suggestions for a OCR programme to convert multiple
> jpg images of upto 100 scanned pages at a time on his Mac. As  this is a
> breeze for  my Finereader on my windows laptop I suggested he considered
> finereader for the Mac.
> 
> In the context of what I am learning from this thread should I be ringing
> him urgently to withdraw this advice?
> 
> I am surprised if finereader  cannot do this as this is pretty basic
> functionality.
> 
> David Griffith
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson
> Sent: 26 May 2013 21:53
> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
> Subject: Re: batch converting documents using fine reader on the mac can it
> bedone?
> 
> Hello Michael,
> 
> ABBYY FineReader for Mac is an express version and does not have the feature
> you're looking for. I've never used Windows so was not aware of how
> FineReader works on that platform.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> On 26 May 2013, at 22:41, Michael Marshall 
> wrote:
> 
>> hey,
>> thanks for getting back to me.
>> what i mean is that i need fine reader to convert these documents at the
> same time like it can on windows.
>> i don't want to have to re open the program after every file is converted.
>> thanks for your help on this.
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Re: batch converting documents using fine reader on the mac can it be done?

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Hello Michael,

ABBYY FineReader for Mac is an express version and does not have the feature 
you're looking for. I've never used Windows so was not aware of how FineReader 
works on that platform.

Cheers,

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On 26 May 2013, at 22:41, Michael Marshall  wrote:

> hey,
> thanks for getting back to me.
> what i mean is that i need fine reader to convert these documents at the same 
> time like it can on windows.
> i don't want to have to re open the program after every file is converted.
> thanks for your help on this.

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Re: batch converting documents using fine reader on the mac can it be done?

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Hello Michael,

Have you tried going to each file in the Finder and opening the file with 
FineReader? I can't see why this wouldn't work. As long as you close FineReader 
after processing a document, it will not put them all into one file.

Cheers,

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On 24 May 2013, at 08:51, Michael Marshall  wrote:

> hello listers,
> this is really stumping me.
> i just can't get anywhere with fine reader.
> i have 3 pdf's i wish to convert in fine reader to seprate documents how do i 
> go about doing this?
> i tryed adding the files to fine reader but it saved all of the documents 
> into one big file and fine reader settings are always dimmed.
> 
> any help would be fantastic
> 

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Re: Those Who Edit Word Documents on the Mac

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It all depends on what you mean by "Handle". Pages can open DOCX files just 
fine but it can't export to that format.

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Re: Urgent Help Infovox has made voiceover Unusable.

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Hello David,

So, as before, VO Utility and s for Speech.
Go right 5 times, go down once, go right 9 times, then press VO-Space. That 
unchecks Additional Voice Options.

Cheers,

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On 22 May 2013, at 18:59, David Griffith  wrote:

> Thanks this is the sort of help I need but   unfortunately it did not work.
> I think the  problem is that I had Alex as my default voice already but
> tried Acapella as the content voice.
> This means that I can get the window announced and buttons like stepper and
> rate but everything else is drowned by the announcement that This is an
> evaluation copy of Infovox.
> 
> Would it be possible for you to describe some key sequences to restore
> Voiceover to factory defaults?
> 
> David Griffith
> 
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> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson
> Sent: 22 May 2013 17:12
> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
> Subject: Re: Urgent Help Infovox has made voiceover Unusable.
> 
> Hello David,
> 
> Try this:
> VO-F8 to open VO Utility;
> Type the letter s for Speech;
> Navigate 5 times to the right, then once down, and you're on the default
> voice menu button; Press VO-Space then do up arrow once and press Return.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> On 22 May 2013, at 17:50, David Griffith  wrote:
> 
>> Yes I know but the problem here is that no buttons to uninstall are 
>> detectable because all the sound feedback that I am getting from 
>> Voiceover is "This is an evaluation copy of Infovox".
>> 
>> Nothing is being read to me except this is an evaluation copy of Infovox.
>> How then am I to navigate to the settings you describe?
>> 
>> David Griffith
>> -Original Message-
>> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net 
>> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Isaac Hebert
>> Sent: 22 May 2013 14:49
>> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
>> Subject: Re: Urgent Help Infovox has made voiceover Unusable.
>> 
>> If you have the install package their is a uninstaller in the folder.
>> Next if you are running a trial of infovox  a message will pop up 
>> asking do you want to buy it or uninstall it choose the uninstall
>> button and you will  uninstall it.   You also might have to remove it
>> manually First you have to delete it from your applications folder, 
>> then search all your library folders including your user folder for 
>> Infovox stuff. You also have to remove the Infovox key from the
> keychain...
>> 
>> On 5/22/13, David Griffith  wrote:
>>> I need urgent help with getting rid of infovox.
>>> 
>>> I turned on my Mac this morning to find voiceover intoning this is an 
>>> evaluation copy of Infovox.
>>> I have used command Vo cursors keys to change the default voice back 
>>> to Alex but this has made little difference. Whilst I can now access 
>>> some feedback through Alex of window titles etc Infovox is still 
>>> preventing me from getting to the content voice setting in Voiceover 
>>> Utility to try and turn it off. No matter what I do I cannot get 
>>> Voiceover to do anything except say "This is an evaluation copy of 
>>> Infovox."
>>> I tried using command A to open the application folder interacted 
>>> with it and then typed Infovox and then press command delete to try 
>>> and get rid of it. No joy.
>>> I then tried to remember how to get to the Utilities table and did 
>>> succeed in getting to the Voices tab which Alex announced. I tried 
>>> using item chooser, typed Graham to try and find the Infovox voice.
>>> Item chooser did seem to find something but again I cannot get any 
>>> feedback when returning to the main screen beyond "this is an 
>>> evaluation copy of Infovox.
>>> I tried again to use Voiceover utility and then using item chooser 
>>> and then typing default to see if that could get me back to default
> settings.
>>> Unfortunately this did not work.
>>> 
>>> This design is very hostile to visually impaired users as it assumes 
>>> you can see to get rid of Infovox. It should instead return control 
>>> to the default voice. . If you evaluate Infovox you must get rid of 
>>> it before evaluation expires or buy it. I will never do this after 
>>> this experience.
>>> 
>>> In the meantime my Mac is unusable.
>>> 
>>> Is there anybody who could give me a key by key description of what 
>>> keys to press under Mountain Lion in order to hit the restor

Re: Urgent Help Infovox has made voiceover Unusable.

[Anne Robertson]

Hello David,

Try this:
VO-F8 to open VO Utility;
Type the letter s for Speech;
Navigate 5 times to the right, then once down, and you're on the default voice 
menu button;
Press VO-Space then do up arrow once and press Return.

Cheers,

Anne


On 22 May 2013, at 17:50, David Griffith  wrote:

> Yes I know but the problem here is that no buttons to uninstall are
> detectable because all the sound feedback that I am getting from Voiceover
> is "This is an evaluation copy of Infovox".
> 
> Nothing is being read to me except this is an evaluation copy of Infovox.
> How then am I to navigate to the settings you describe?
> 
> David Griffith
> -Original Message-
> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Isaac Hebert
> Sent: 22 May 2013 14:49
> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
> Subject: Re: Urgent Help Infovox has made voiceover Unusable.
> 
> If you have the install package their is a uninstaller in the folder.
> Next if you are running a trial of infovox  a message will pop up asking do
> you want to buy it or uninstall it choose the uninstall
> button and you will  uninstall it.   You also might have to remove it
> manually First you have to delete it from your applications folder, then
> search all your library folders including your user folder for Infovox
> stuff. You also have to remove the Infovox key from the keychain...
> 
> On 5/22/13, David Griffith  wrote:
>> I need urgent help with getting rid of infovox.
>> 
>> I turned on my Mac this morning to find voiceover intoning this is an 
>> evaluation copy of Infovox.
>> I have used command Vo cursors keys to change the default voice back 
>> to Alex but this has made little difference. Whilst I can now access 
>> some feedback through Alex of window titles etc Infovox is still 
>> preventing me from getting to the content voice setting in Voiceover 
>> Utility to try and turn it off. No matter what I do I cannot get 
>> Voiceover to do anything except say "This is an evaluation copy of 
>> Infovox."
>> I tried using command A to open the application folder interacted with 
>> it and then typed Infovox and then press command delete to try and get 
>> rid of it. No joy.
>> I then tried to remember how to get to the Utilities table and did 
>> succeed in getting to the Voices tab which Alex announced. I tried 
>> using item chooser, typed Graham to try and find the Infovox voice. 
>> Item chooser did seem to find something but again I cannot get any 
>> feedback when returning to the main screen beyond "this is an 
>> evaluation copy of Infovox.
>> I tried again to use Voiceover utility and then using item chooser and 
>> then typing default to see if that could get me back to default settings.
>> Unfortunately this did not work.
>> 
>> This design is very hostile to visually impaired users as it assumes 
>> you can see to get rid of Infovox. It should instead return control to 
>> the default voice. . If you evaluate Infovox you must get rid of it 
>> before evaluation expires or buy it. I will never do this after this 
>> experience.
>> 
>> In the meantime my Mac is unusable.
>> 
>> Is there anybody who could give me a key by key description of what 
>> keys to press under Mountain Lion in order to hit the restore defaults 
>> button and then confirm it?
>> 
>> Alternatively is there anybody who can send me a portable settings 
>> file, again with key by key instructions on how to install it without 
>> any feedback from Voiceover beyond this is an evaluation copy of 
>> Infovox??
>> 
>> David Griffith
>> 
>> 
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Re: anyone on list use ABBYY fine reader for mac?

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Michael,

I'm not sure what you mean by "scanning" in this context. If you have PDFs, 
they are already scanned or created from text files. If they've been scanned, 
just go to the PDF file, do VO-Shift-m to get a contextual menu, then navigate 
down to Open with then right to the list of possible applications and select 
ABBYY FineReader. You'll then be able to choose HTML from the options available.

If your PDF has been created from a text file, you might get better results by 
taking a screenshot of each page and using FineReader to OCR each one.

It's normal that FineReader prefs are dimmed since they do not exist.

I use FineReader regularly and it does an excellent job.

Cheers,

Anne


On 12 May 2013, at 13:47, Michael Marshall  wrote:

> hello listers,
> the reason i'm asking if anyone usis fine reader for mac is because i'm 
> having a small problem.
> i have a bunch of PDFs that i want to scan into HTML.
> i tryed scaning one of the documents into HTML and it put a hole bunch of 
> tables in the document.
> on windows when i scan the same documents with fine reader the tables are not 
> in the HTML document.
> i tryed going into fine reader prefs on the mac but it's always dimmed.
> if i can't solve the problem is there any other good programs for scanning 
> PDFs into HTML?
> i hope i have got accross what i'm trying to say.
> thanks for any help
> 
> Michael
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Re: mac OCR scanning software for use with voice over.

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Hello Stuart,

ABBYY FineReader Express is your best option for scanning on the Mac. I use it 
with a cheap Canon portable scanner, the Canoscan Lide 110 and the results are 
excellent.

If you need to scan multiple pages, it can be a bit tedious as you have to 
return to the scanner window each time. For scanning something like a book, I 
use VueScan to capture the images, then ABBYY FineReader to perform the OCR. 
VueScan is not available in the Appstore, you have to get it from the 
developer. The Website is:
www.hamrick.com

You can use VueScan without a licence but it leaves a watermark on the image. 
the licence costs $39 for one year, or $79 for life. We've had our VueScan 
licence for over 10 years and still get good support when necessary.

VueScan can also be set to auto-repeat should you prefer this method of working.

I can provide a setup guide for VueScan to anyone who asks me for it.

Cheers,

Anne


On 5 May 2013, at 18:17, stuart young  wrote:

> Hi Sandy.
> Many thanks for your reply.
> oops I should have said, i am looking for software for the mac.
> I have now changed the subject line of the message to reflect this.
> Regards.
> Stuart.

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Re: Kindle now accessible on iOS.

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This is great! As soon as I logged in, I saw all the books we've bought in 
Kindle format.

By the way, Bad Science has been available from Kobo for some time so I've 
already been able to read it.

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Re: Filling Out PDF's On The Mac

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Hello Isaac,

Here's the method described on the other list, but it doesn't work for me.

"Using Preview on the Mac, Interact with the Toolbar, press the Edit button, 
Stop Interacting with the Toolbar, navigate right to the Edit Toolbar, Interact 
with it, then select the Text tool.  Now, when you wish to enter info in an 
Edit field, navigate to it, then press VO-shift-space so that the cursor is 
activated and enter the text."

Cheers,

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On 25 Apr 2013, at 17:20, Isaac Hebert  wrote:

> What method did the person from another list use?

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Re: Filling Out PDF's On The Mac

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If someone could point me to a PDF form that I could use, someone has posted on 
another list a method for doing this. I'd just like to try it myself before 
making any claims.

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Re: Best Braille Display To Use With iOS

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Isaac,

I've had no success connecting my Handytech Braillino with my iPhone despite 
the fact that it is one that is supposed to work. I asked Apple about it and 
they sent me to Handytech who suggested I should get the Bluetooth chip 
changed. My Braillino works fine with my MacBook Air and I could pair it with 
my husband's 15-inch MacBook Pro Retina.

I think other Handytech models work better.

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On 23 Apr 2013, at 17:43, Isaac Hebert  wrote:

> Does the handy tech braille displays also work with iOS too?

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Re: Lost Say all on Text Edit

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Wrap to page or Wrap to window has no effect on formatting. Interestingly, when 
Wrap to window is set, the VO page up and page down commands don't work. 
However, it's easy enough to change from one to the other depending on what you 
want to do.

Cheers,

Anne


On 16 Apr 2013, at 15:21, David Griffith  wrote:

> brilliant that sorted it.
> As a matter of interest does this force any formatting change to the actual 
> text, for example line length and margins etc.
> 
> If so I need to be wary of using this command on documents that I havehad 
>   sight approved for formatting.
> 
> David Griffith
> d.griff...@btinternet.com
> 
> 
> 
> On 16 Apr 2013, at 13:47, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
>> Hello David,
>> 
>> Try switching from Wrap to Page to Wrap to window (Cmd-Shift-W).
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>> On 16 Apr 2013, at 14:24, David Griffith  wrote:
>> 
>>> On Lion I had set Text edit up to be my default Microsoft word viewer as it,
>>> unlike Nisus Writer pro and pages, allowed a Say all read of the entire
>>> document and, did not  stop at the end of every page.
>>> 
>>> Annoyingly since I upgraded to Mountain Lion it appears Text Edit is now
>>> replicating the behaviour of these programs and using VO A will now only
>>> read the current page and no more.
>>> I am opening the relevant files directly into Text Edit from Finder in order
>>> to avoid the time consuming dialogue asking me if I want to open files from
>>> the cloud.
>>> 
>>> I am then interacting with Text and then pressing VO A, this will now only
>>> read a page.
>>> Uninteracting with Text  appears not to make any difference.
>>> I have tried restarting the  Mac but this has not cleared the problem.
>>> 
>>> Has anybody got a work around for this problem ? Or is it the case that you
>>> can no longer read a word document with say all on the Mac?
>>> 
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Re: Lost Say all on Text Edit

[Anne Robertson]

Hello David,

Try switching from Wrap to Page to Wrap to window (Cmd-Shift-W).

Cheers,

Anne


On 16 Apr 2013, at 14:24, David Griffith  wrote:

> On Lion I had set Text edit up to be my default Microsoft word viewer as it,
> unlike Nisus Writer pro and pages, allowed a Say all read of the entire
> document and, did not  stop at the end of every page.
> 
> Annoyingly since I upgraded to Mountain Lion it appears Text Edit is now
> replicating the behaviour of these programs and using VO A will now only
> read the current page and no more.
> I am opening the relevant files directly into Text Edit from Finder in order
> to avoid the time consuming dialogue asking me if I want to open files from
> the cloud.
> 
> I am then interacting with Text and then pressing VO A, this will now only
> read a page.
> Uninteracting with Text  appears not to make any difference.
> I have tried restarting the  Mac but this has not cleared the problem.
> 
> Has anybody got a work around for this problem ? Or is it the case that you
> can no longer read a word document with say all on the Mac?
> 
> David Griffith
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Re: hilighting blocks of text with VO on the internet

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Hello David,

First of all, for lines to appear in the rotor of Quick Nav, which I assume is 
what Michael is talking about, you need to have Lines checked in the Web Rotor 
options in VoiceOver Utility. Then, I think the additional options only show up 
if you have Single Key navigation enabled.

It certainly does work on the page you linked to.

Cheers,

Anne


On 11 Apr 2013, at 16:36, David Griffith  wrote:

> 
> David Griffith
> d.griff...@btinternet.com
> 
> 
> 
> Specifically I have tried out the following page 
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-22103753
>> On this page for example I can only set rota elements to words and 
>> characters. I am using Mountain Lion.
> Can you set lines on the rota to select with on this page?
> 
> 
>> David Griffith

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Re: Talking Goggles for IOS

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Hello Brenda,

I use an iPhone 5 and the StandScan Pro is a foldable box with interior 
lighting and a hole in the centre of the top. You place a smart phone, in my 
case the iPhone 5, with its camera pointing down through the hole, and take a 
picture of a document that you place in the bottom of the box. The box is 
designed so that you get a good quality picture every time, even if you can't 
see anything at all.

The best OCR app for working with the StandScan Pro is TextGrabber. However, if 
you haven't got the StandScan Pro, the best OCR app for the iPhone is Prizmo, 
which is much more forgiving about not having the document quite straight.

Talking Goggles works wonderfully for identifying books, CDs and other objects 
that can be compared with existing images. The cover of a particular CD is 
always the same so it does not take a human to make the comparison.

I hope this clarifies things a bit.

Cheers,

Anne


On 10 Apr 2013, at 02:51, meadowlar...@cox.net wrote:

> Do any of these work on the iPhone5? Because you have a stand alone scanner, 
> right? I'm a bit confused, so pardon me here. This is basically all new to 
> me here.
> 
>I could not get Red Laser to work at all on anything.
> 
> Take care and thanks. I'm keeping hold of this.
> 
> Brenda

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Re: Talking Goggles for IOS

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Hello Chris,

Talking Goggles isn't the appropriate app for identifying a basket of apples. 
TapTapSee is much better for that.

Talking Goggles reads text and recognises famous images. So it reads the covers 
of books since they can be found on the internet and are always the same. It 
also recognised for me the picture of Tower Bridge on a place mat. However, it 
won't recognise a dog, for instance. It identified my labrador/golden retriever 
lying on a marble-tiled floor as an alp, which was not helpful.

Talking Goggles is totally automated with no human intervention. TapTapSee is a 
combination of both.

By the way, did you use Talking Goggles in Video mode? This is by far the best 
way for someone totally blind to use it. I also check the light level with the 
Light Detector app before using Talking Goggles so that I can decide whether 
the flash should be on or off.

Cheers,

Anne


On 9 Apr 2013, at 20:17, Chris Gilland  wrote:

> I tried it, and not only had no success, but after about 4 times of 
> reinstalling due to it crashing randomly after about 2 minutes or so of use, 
> may I add, use of it not speaking hardly anything when I'd try taking 
> pictures, I finally gave up.
> 
> The most recent thing I took a photo of was a basket I have on my kitchen 
> counter of apples.  It came back and said something to the effect of:
> 
> u i 4 void 3, 26 A m 1. Version ata.
> 
> You think I'm kidding about this, but I really am not.  I literally just 
> typed exactly what it said.  It took me a few tries to have it say that big 
> chunk and get it all correctly typed, so it is consistently saying that.  I 
> know people may think I'm full of bull, but I'm really not.  If you don't 
> believe me, I'll even go so far as to make a recording showing you all.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Anne Robertson" 
> To: "Mac iOS Accessibility OSX &" 
> Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2013 1:46 AM
> Subject: Talking Goggles for IOS
> 
> 
>> Hello everyone,
>> 
>> I haven't seen any mention of this app on this list and I should hate for 
>> anyone to missout on it.
>> 
>> Talking Goggles is an app that uses the IOS device's camera to identify 
>> common objects, pictures and all kinds of text. It offers a vast number of 
>> languages although it is not itself localised into any language other than 
>> English. Its buttons, however, are very simple so localisation is not 
>> essential.
>> 
>> Using this app in video mode, I can identify books by just holding the front 
>> cover of the book about a foot away from the iPhone. It takes a matter of 
>> seconds for a book to be recognised and, if the book is in another language 
>> and the app is set to English, it will translate the title.
>> 
>> I've also used Talking Goggles to distinguish between two packaged products 
>> which are identical to the touch. One was artichoke hearts and the other 
>> peppers stuffed with cheese. I set the app to French although quite a lot of 
>> the information on these packages is in German. I got sufficient information 
>> within seconds to be able to distinguish between the two.
>> 
>> This app has five buttons at the bottom of the screen. Starting from the 
>> left:
>> 1) Flash - marked Off when off and On when on.
>> 2) Flag - Marked En for English. Double tap it to change the language.
>> 3) Gallery - This is the camera roll.
>> 4) Record or Stop or Camera copy14 - When Video is running, it is labelled 
>> Stop; when Video is selected but not running, it's labelled Record, and when 
>> Still camera is selected, it's labelled Camera copy14.
>> 5) Video Camera or Still Camera - This button is confusing as it is labelled 
>> Video Camera when the Still Camera is selected, and Vice Versa.
>> 
>> This app is self-voicing to take care of the various languages, but in Video 
>> mode, by flicking around the screen, VoiceOver will repeat what has been 
>> said.
>> 
>> This app is not free, but it only costs a matter of pennies, euro cents or 
>> whatever.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
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Re: Talking Goggles for IOS

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Brenda,

I think you'd be better off using an OCR app for that purpose. SayText is free 
but I've never had much success with it. I prefer Prizmo for using free hand, 
or TextGrabber for use with my StandScan Pro.

Talking Goggles will probably read some of the text, but not all.

Cheers,

Anne


On 9 Apr 2013, at 16:54, meadowlar...@cox.net wrote:

> Do you think it would work reading CD inserts? I'll explain. I have made 
> some homemade compilation disks of different artists and so on. I typed an 
> insert for each case. I'm just wondering if this would do the trick. I had 
> all that at one time, in files, but my computer crashed and am looking for a 
> way to rebuild what I lost. I could do that, if one of these apps could read 
> my inserts. All were typed on my computer.
> 
> Take care,
> 
> Brenda
> 
> mailto:meadowlar...@cox.net
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Anne Robertson" 
> To: "Mac iOS Accessibility OSX &" 
> Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2013 12:46 AM
> Subject: Talking Goggles for IOS
> 
> 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> I haven't seen any mention of this app on this list and I should hate for 
> anyone to missout on it.
> 
> Talking Goggles is an app that uses the IOS device's camera to identify 
> common objects, pictures and all kinds of text. It offers a vast number of 
> languages although it is not itself localised into any language other than 
> English. Its buttons, however, are very simple so localisation is not 
> essential.
> 
> Using this app in video mode, I can identify books by just holding the front 
> cover of the book about a foot away from the iPhone. It takes a matter of 
> seconds for a book to be recognised and, if the book is in another language 
> and the app is set to English, it will translate the title.
> 
> I've also used Talking Goggles to distinguish between two packaged products 
> which are identical to the touch. One was artichoke hearts and the other 
> peppers stuffed with cheese. I set the app to French although quite a lot of 
> the information on these packages is in German. I got sufficient information 
> within seconds to be able to distinguish between the two.
> 
> This app has five buttons at the bottom of the screen. Starting from the 
> left:
> 1) Flash - marked Off when off and On when on.
> 2) Flag - Marked En for English. Double tap it to change the language.
> 3) Gallery - This is the camera roll.
> 4) Record or Stop or Camera copy14 - When Video is running, it is labelled 
> Stop; when Video is selected but not running, it's labelled Record, and when 
> Still camera is selected, it's labelled Camera copy14.
> 5) Video Camera or Still Camera - This button is confusing as it is labelled 
> Video Camera when the Still Camera is selected, and Vice Versa.
> 
> This app is self-voicing to take care of the various languages, but in Video 
> mode, by flicking around the screen, VoiceOver will repeat what has been 
> said.
> 
> This app is not free, but it only costs a matter of pennies, euro cents or 
> whatever.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
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Talking Goggles for IOS

[Anne Robertson]

Hello everyone,

I haven't seen any mention of this app on this list and I should hate for 
anyone to missout on it.

Talking Goggles is an app that uses the IOS device's camera to identify common 
objects, pictures and all kinds of text. It offers a vast number of languages 
although it is not itself localised into any language other than English. Its 
buttons, however, are very simple so localisation is not essential.

Using this app in video mode, I can identify books by just holding the front 
cover of the book about a foot away from the iPhone. It takes a matter of 
seconds for a book to be recognised and, if the book is in another language and 
the app is set to English, it will translate the title.

I've also used Talking Goggles to distinguish between two packaged products 
which are identical to the touch. One was artichoke hearts and the other 
peppers stuffed with cheese. I set the app to French although quite a lot of 
the information on these packages is in German. I got sufficient information 
within seconds to be able to distinguish between the two.

This app has five buttons at the bottom of the screen. Starting from the left:
1) Flash - marked Off when off and On when on.
2) Flag - Marked En for English. Double tap it to change the language.
3) Gallery - This is the camera roll.
4) Record or Stop or Camera copy14 - When Video is running, it is labelled 
Stop; when Video is selected but not running, it's labelled Record, and when 
Still camera is selected, it's labelled Camera copy14.
5) Video Camera or Still Camera - This button is confusing as it is labelled 
Video Camera when the Still Camera is selected, and Vice Versa.

This app is self-voicing to take care of the various languages, but in Video 
mode, by flicking around the screen, VoiceOver will repeat what has been said.

This app is not free, but it only costs a matter of pennies, euro cents or 
whatever.

Cheers,

Anne

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Re: crosswords?

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Will,

The letters I'm talking about are the ones you've put in yourself earlier when 
doing, say, the across clues.

I go through the cryptic crossword as quickly as possible putting in the 
answers I can get easily, then I go through it again seeing what letters I 
already have for the clues I find more difficult. That's the normal way of 
doing crosswords.

If you find a clue you just can't get, you can even cheat by clicking the Cheat 
button and the answer will be filled in for you.

Cheers,

Anne


On 7 Apr 2013, at 15:37, Will  wrote:

> Anne so if we have been given lettres for clues they are given to us for easy 
> completion?

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Re: crosswords?

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Hello Will,

The Guardian crosswords are completely accessible. Go to the Guardian's 
crossword page and select either quick or cryptic, then choose the Standard 
version.

On the crossword page, the clues are lists under level 4 headings. Use Hotspots 
to mark your place in the list of clues, then press VO-Space to jump to the 
grid. Type in your answer then jump back to the Hotspot. Also, while in the 
grid, you can read the clue again with VO-Cmd-number with the number 
corresponding to the Hotspot you set. I use Hotspot 0 all the way through the 
crossword.

You can look at the letters that are already there by using just the arrow keys 
going right for across and down for down.

You can check your answer by going left from the Across clues heading and 
clicking the Check button. You then jump back to your Hotspot, do VO-Space and 
read the letters using the arrow keys.

It works great.

Cheers,

Anne


On 7 Apr 2013, at 13:53, William Lomas  wrote:

> hello to all do accessible crosswords for the mac, exist?
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Re: Red Laser app

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Red Laser finds bar codes on cans and boxes just fine, but its database is 
sorely lacking for those of us in continental Europe. Digit-Eyes, on the other 
hand, has a very extensive database.

Cheers,

Anne


On 5 Apr 2013, at 02:02, Phil Halton  wrote:

> I use it to read canned goods in my cupboard.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Glenn" 
> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 7:33 PM
> Subject: Red Laser app
> 
> 
>> Hi All,
>> I downloaded a free app called Red Laser with my iPhone.
>> This is a QR code scanner, and it reads these squiggly symbols that give you
>> information, and can take you to a web site.
>> I tried it on a tube of tooth paste, and it not only told me what it is, but
>> it gave me pricing for my area.
>> I'm not sure if it also reads barcodes, but it is a very accessible app.
>> Glenn
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Re: Airport Extreme has two IPs.

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Hello Dónal,

Here's the situation in our set up.

The Airport Express has two IP addresses, 192.168.01.80 and 169.254.02.110 both 
of which are local to our own network.

Our base station also has the address 192.168.01.05 in addition, to the address 
on the subnet of 169.254.76.236.

The Mybook World backup NAS has the address 192.168.1.129

We've allocated fixed IP addresses to most of the devices that connect 
regularly to our network to avoid that irritating message that some other 
device is using your IP address.

I don't know if this is of any use to you but at least it shows that our 
Airport Express and one of our Airport Extremes both have two IP addresses. We 
can't find the other Airport Extreme which probably means it's offline at the 
moment.

We need all these devices as we live in a very old house with extremely thick 
stone walls!

Cheers,

Anne
 

On 2 Apr 2013, at 18:03, Dónal Fitzpatrick  wrote:

> Folks,
> 
> I'm sincerely sorry for plagueing you all about my ongoing WIFI issues.  
> However I've just discovered that my ADSL modem is allocating two IP 
> addresses to the MAC address of my Airport Extreme.  On the advice of a list 
> member, I removed the Express from the equation to see what would happen.
> 
> Anyways, can anyone think of why this is happening and more importantly, how 
> do I stop it from happening? If someone can go into the setup page for their 
> Cable or ADSL modem and look at the attached devices to see if this is 
> commonplace I'd appreciate it.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Dónal
> Dr. Dónal Fitzpatrick,
> School of Computing, 
> Dublin City University,
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Re: Stand Scan

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Hello Geoff,

So far so good.

The lefthand section has to be folded along the tactile lines to create two 
elongated triangles, one along the front edge and the other along the back 
edge. Fold these with the shiny side out.

You'll find the same arrangement in the third section along. These sections 
with triangular folded bits are the sides of the box and the wide ends of the 
triangles support the top.

The section at the far right is the top. It has a round hole in the centre, and 
the line of LEDs just in front of a line, a few centimetres from the edge. This 
line is where you fold again. You also fold along the line a few centimetres in 
from the front edge, and along the line the same distance in from the righthand 
edge. These are the sections that fold down from the top to hold the whole 
thing rigid.

To put the box together, raise the lefthand side to the vertical, and raise the 
back section to meet it. The magnets on the folded triangular section at the 
back of the lefthand piece will engage with magnets on the back section. You 
have to straighten out the small flap that holds the package together when 
folded up.

You now have to lift up the other two sections to form the righthand side and 
the top. The righthand side engages with the back in the same way as the 
lefthand side, then the top comes over and the three small folded sections 
attach to the outside of the back, the lefthand side and the front.

You should now have a box with an open front and a cable emerging from the 
upper back lefthand corner.

It takes a bit of time at first, but I can put mine together in under 30 
seconds now.

Good luck!

Cheers,

Anne


On 2 Apr 2013, at 09:02, Geoff Waaler  wrote:

> Hi Ann,
> 
> Thanks so much for blazing the trail.  I think I understand your description, 
> but hesitate to fold or shape something in a manner that it wasn't intended.
> 
> So, I have my Standscand pro folded.  I'm not sure that its folded exactly as 
> it came out of the box but think so.
> 
>  So we have a little flap which appears to make a magnetic seal.  The cable 
> is at the bottom right.  So, first step is To place the small flap in front 
> of me on a table and flip it up.  Next, I open the box downward.  There are 
> now three rows as follows:
> 
>  1. The little flap, which is now pointing up.
>  2. one section which is only a piece of cardboard thick.
> 
>  3. 
>  Four pieces of cardboard folded over.  The top one can unfold to the left, 
> and the other two would fold out to the right.
> 
>  Now, the bottom left section appears to have six magnets.  Three are on the 
> top row, and three are on the left side.  Just below the top magnet on the 
> left is a tiny half circle cut into the side.
> 
>  I can see creases, but know that the moment I do any folding, it will 
> permanently change the beast.
> 
>  Perhaps you can confirm that we're on the same page so far, and if you could 
> offer any more pointers?
> 
>  Thanks again and best regards.
>  Geoff

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Re: wifi help please.

[Anne Robertson]

I just left it there but further down the list. We have two older Airport 
devices elsewhere in the house which can't handle 802.11n.

Cheers,

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On 30 Mar 2013, at 23:54, Dónal Fitzpatrick  wrote:

> Hi Anne,
> 
> Did you keep the 2.4GHZ network in there as well or did you "forget" that 
> network?
> 
> I've removed it completely from the list of preferred networks.
> 
> Dónal

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Hello Dónal,

I went into System Preferences, Networks, and clicked on Advanced. I went to 
the table and dragged the 5G network to the top of the list so that my MacBook 
Air would connect to that network first.

Cheers,

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> Hi Anne,
> 
> Can you ask him what he means by using "drag and drop" in the network pane to 
> make it the preferred network?  
> 
> I've done everything else you have (which makes me feel better).
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Dónal
> On 30 Mar 2013, at 22:09, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
>> Hello Dónal,
>> 
>> We've had similar problems with a similar setup. Here's what we did:
>> 1) Change the channel from the default of 11 to the new value of 13 using 
>> the Airport Utility.
>> 2) Activate the 802.11n (5GHz) network on both devices and use drag&drop in 
>> the Network pane of System Preferences to make that the preferred network.
>> 
>> It's been rock solid since we did this.
>> 
>> Explanation provided by Archie since I know nothing about this subject!
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>> On 30 Mar 2013, at 22:16, Dónal Fitzpatrick  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi folks,
>>> 
>>> I'm tearing my hair out over my Airport extreme (extended by an express) 
>>> dropping connections.  Does anyone know how I can access the device logs to 
>>> see what's actually going on? Is downloading and installing an old version 
>>> of the Airport utility the only way?
>>> 
>>> I use an application called "Wifi Explorer" which gives me signal to noise 
>>> ratios, so what I did was turn off the airport Express and get the SNR it 
>>> was receiving using my Laptop and it seems fine.  I think I just need to 
>>> see the logs on both devices to see what's happening in order to isolate 
>>> this but I can't seem to find anything.
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>> 
>>> Dónal
>>> Dr. Dónal Fitzpatrick,
>>> School of Computing, 
>>> Dublin City University,
>>> Glasnevin, 
>>> Dublin 9, Ireland
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Re: wifi help please.

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Dónal,

We've had similar problems with a similar setup. Here's what we did:
1) Change the channel from the default of 11 to the new value of 13 using the 
Airport Utility.
2) Activate the 802.11n (5GHz) network on both devices and use drag&drop in the 
Network pane of System Preferences to make that the preferred network.

It's been rock solid since we did this.

Explanation provided by Archie since I know nothing about this subject!

Cheers,

Anne


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> Hi folks,
> 
> I'm tearing my hair out over my Airport extreme (extended by an express) 
> dropping connections.  Does anyone know how I can access the device logs to 
> see what's actually going on? Is downloading and installing an old version of 
> the Airport utility the only way?
> 
> I use an application called "Wifi Explorer" which gives me signal to noise 
> ratios, so what I did was turn off the airport Express and get the SNR it was 
> receiving using my Laptop and it seems fine.  I think I just need to see the 
> logs on both devices to see what's happening in order to isolate this but I 
> can't seem to find anything.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Dónal
> Dr. Dónal Fitzpatrick,
> School of Computing, 
> Dublin City University,
> Glasnevin, 
> Dublin 9, Ireland
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Re: Help with web navigation please

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Hello Catherine,

If you're navigating the Web in DOM mode, then with Quick Nav on, just the 
right arrow will take you to the next element which probably corresponds to a 
line or a sentence. Without Quick Nav, this would be VO-Right Arrow. In Groups 
mode, you'd have to interact with the group, then press VO-Down Arrow, or with 
Quick Nav, set it to Navigation and use the Down Arrow.

As for navigating tables, you have to interact with the table, then VO-Right 
arrow will go along a row, and VO-Down Arrow will go down a column. You can 
read a whole row with VO-r.

Cheers,

Anne


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wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> Still getting to grips with my Macbook pro and wonder if anyone could
> help with a couple of issues I have with navigating web pages.  I
> think I've confused myself with the several ways of accomplishing the
> same task.  So can anyone suggest a way I can do these two things?  I
> do have quick nav switched on but I could switch it off if that makes
> a difference.
> 
> 1.  Say on a web page I want to navigate to a button, but after that
> read by line.  So I can press b to get to the button, but after that
> how do I then read from then onwards by line?  What keystrokes or
> gesture could I use?
> 
> 2.  In a table, if I want to move across a row cell by cell how do I
> do that?  And how do I move down a column cell by cell?  I'm currently
> set to have tables grouped, and I know how to change this if it helps,
> but still not quite sure what having tables grouped means...
> 
> Thanks for any help.
> 
> Catherine
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Re: Stand Scan

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Hello dónal,

I have the StandScan Pro which has 15 Leds to provide good lighting. Yes, it's 
flimsy, but it folds flat, weighs next to nothing, and works great with my 
iPhone 5.

I've tested the StandScan Pro with a double-page from a pretty complexe book 
using Prizmo in English with brilliant results. It was virtually perfect apart 
from the page headings which are in italics and came out as garbage.

I tried scanning a rectangular box containing a deodorant spray, and 
TextGrabber read the information almost perfectly, whereas Prizmo failed at 
this task. This time, I was using French.

Yesterday, I demonstrated the StandScan Pro to an IT teacher I was training in 
VoiceOver and the Mac. He gave me a flyer to scan and the result was perfect 
using TextGrabber. He was so impressed that he called in some colleagues to see 
this amazing thing!

So, yes, you have to be careful with the StandScan Pro as it can easily be 
damaged, but it isn't a replacement for a flatbed scanner, it's a tool to carry 
around in a backpack for those occasions when you really have to get the 
information from a printed source quickly.

Below my signature, I'll paste in my description of how to set up a StandScan 
Pro. By the Way, it ships with a 9 V battery holder and you can purchase a 12 V 
mains adaptor. You really need the 12 V for good results, but you can also add 
a battery holder for 8 AA batteries, giving a 12 V output.

The StandScan Pro plus mains adaptor comes to something under $35 which isn't a 
lot to spend for such good results.

Cheers,

Anne


Lay the folded StandScan on a table with the small flap away from you.
Open the small flap and fold back the body of the StandScan towards you.
Now the topmost piece should open to the left, and the remaining part will open 
to the right but will still be a double thickness.
Open the final piece to the right.
Go to the lefthand piece and you'll find that there is a crease running from 
where it joins the second piece to the lefthand edge, a few centimetres in.
Fold along this crease making an elongated triangle.
The same thing can be found on the back edge of the same piece, and on the 
front and back edges of the third section.
The piece at the extreme right is the top and you can find the LEDs along its 
back edge, and the cable at its back left corner.
Lift the righthand section and lift the lefthand section, then fold over the 
flap at the end of the section with the LEDs so that the magnets meet the 
magnets on the lefthand section.
A flap of the top section folds down to engage with the magnets on the 
triangular pieces, and the piece still lying flat at the back lifts up to meet 
the top and the triangular side pieces at the back.
Your StandScan should now look like a large box with an open front and a short 
cable coming out of the upper back lefthand corner.
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Re: Tracking changes in Pages

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Hello Janet,

In general, a Braille display doesn't make Pages more accessible, but in this 
case, it helps hugely.

I mainly use my Braille display when translating or proofreading a text as it's 
quicker to see capitalisation and so on. This is true for any word-processing 
application.

Cheers,

Anne


On 17 Mar 2013, at 00:02, Janet Ingber  wrote:

> Hi Anne,
> 
> Is pages more accessible with a braille display?
> 
> Love reading your posts.
> 
> Janet

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Tracking changes in Pages

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Hello everyone,

I've just worked out how to manage tracking changes in Pages. You need to use a 
Braille display.

In the View menu, show the Comments and changes pane. This will display text 
boxes containing the Accept and Reject buttons, plus the name of the person who 
made the change and the date and time of the change, followed by the text that 
has been changed. There is a text box for each change made on a given page.

Interacting with the page will tell you how many items are on that page, and if 
there are more than 3, there's probably a change.

On your Braille display, you'll see the original text attached to the new text. 
You can check which text has been changed as it has no text attributes.

I hope this makes sense!

Cheers,

Anne

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Re: OCR with Prizmo on iPhone using StandScan Pro

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Hello Claude,

The StandScan Pro is a foldable box with interior lighting and one open side, 
into which you put a document you want to OCR. There's a round hole in the 
centre of the top over which you place the camera of your smart phone. This 
ensures that the document is well lit and the iPhone can take a good clear 
picture for OCR.

I use Prizmo for OCR as it does a very good job in several languages and is 
quick.

The StandScan Pro is held together with embedded magnets and packs flat to 
about 31 cm by 24 cm and perhaps 2 cm thick. It's made of a sort of glossy 
cardboard and is not at all heavy to carry around.

Cheers,

Anne


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> So, is this a portable scanner for the IPhone? 
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Claude Everett

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OCR with Prizmo on iPhone using StandScan Pro

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Hello everyone,

Last week, I received my StandScan Pro, a kind of fold-away box with interior 
lighting, designed to be used with smart phones. Here are the results of two 
scans, one done using the mains adaptor, and the other using the portable 
battery pack.

The scans are double pages from a book whose spine has been bent backwards, but 
not cut.

Cheers,

Anne

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carbohydrate intake low enough to induce ketosis, but not to severely limit (or 
even count) calories. To achieve this, he advised individu.
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enough to maintain positive urine ketones. It was his view that this diet, 
including vegetables, limited fruit, and vitamin supplements, could be followed 
by the individual outpatient without close medical SUpervi.
sion unless there was a pre-existing complicating condition like diabetes or 
hypertension. For most patients, however, the Atkins diet tended to be only a 
temporary sojourn into nutritional ketosis, whether for want of sweets or want 
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studies were done, and we learned a great deal about carbohydrate restriction. 
Among these lessons are many which can contribute to the safe and sustainable 
use of carbohydrate restricted diets going forward.
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carbohydrate was removed from the diet, heavy people lose weight more 
effectively than by classic balanced calorie restriction. The mechanism was 
(and remains) hotly debated. Claims of reduced metabolic efficiency during 
nutritional ketosis remain unproven. Among other points against this is the 
fact that Steve Phinney's bike racers produced the same power output in testing 
0~ a stationary bike using the same oxygen consumption after adapting to the 
Inuit diet compared to their test on a high carb diet[23], leaving little room 
for metabolic inefficiency in this group of subjects.
But this argument over the mechanism of weight loss is an acaderoic straw.man, 
In study after study, over the first 3-6 months, people r~a" 
ClinicaIUse°fCarb°hydrateRestricti°n: VeryL°wCal°rieandLowCarbohydrateDiets 
donaized to a low carb diet eaten to satiety lose more Weight and more body fat 
than those assigned to a low fat, calorie restricted diet. A credible mechanism 
to explain this is not hard to find - carbohydrates in our diet may offer a 
short-term sense of increased energy, but they offer little in the way of 
functional satiety.
~e best example of this effect was reported by Dr. Guenther Boden[45] in an 
inpatient study of obese type-2 diabetics. After a week of eating a balanced 
diet to satiety, the subjects were given a low carbohydrate diet consisting of 
most of the same foods, with the exception that they were asked to limit their 
total daily carbohydrate intake to 20 grams. Over the next two weeks, their 
spontaneous nutrient intakes were carefully measured. Interestingly, the 
subject's average daily energy intake dropped from 3100 to 2100 Calories, and 
this was all due to the 'missing' carbs.
Despite having the choice to eat more, the protein and fat intakes of these 
subjects remained relatively constant. And despite this 1000 Calorie per day 
deficit, their reported hunger, satisfaction, and energy levels did not change 
appreciably. What did change was their diabetes control - dramatically for the 
better. For more on this topic, see Chapter 15.
But this study was just 2 weeks long. What happens in the longer term? Well, 
the process of full metabolic adaptation to a low carbohydrate diet takes up to 
6 weeks, so for the first few months, we would expect wellbeing and function to 
get better. But after many months and a major degree of weight loss, it is a 
normal response of the human body to try to limit its losses. This is typically 
achieved by eating more, but what? If dietary carbohydrate intolerance led to 
the choice of a low carbohydrate diet at the outset, why lift that restriction? 
In particular, why add back calories that promote fat storage but do not 
provide functional satiety? Accepting that protein is good for us only in 
moderation, the answer is fat (see Chapters 2 and 16). How much fat should you 
add as you approach Weight maintenance.~ The simple answer: "let satiety rule", 
163 1~9


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Re: Pages questions.

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Hello everyone,

Where do you get the idea that docx files cannot be opened with pages? I'm 
currently working on just such a file in Pages, and do so regularly. I suspect 
it all depends on the complexity of the file. I'm dealing with fairly 
straightforward stuff and rarely have any problems other than missing fonts.

Or are you talking about Pages on IOS? I wouldn't use that for serious work 
anyway.

Cheers,

Anne


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> I believe that this file type in fact can be open, it's just that voiceover 
> does not support it.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone

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I can't test this with Word 97 documents created on a PC, but with those 
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Pages.

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> Hi all, 
> 
> I recently purchased Pages for the Mac.
> 
> My question is while am I not able to open word97/2004 documents? 
> 
> I have contacted both the Pages team and AppleCare about this issue they have 
> been unhelpful.
> 
> Thanks for any answers regarding this.
> 
> kind regards, 
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ML takes up only about 14 gb.

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You can actually read tables in pages with VO using one of two methods. There 
is a command to convert the table to text in the Format menu but you have to 
locate the table first.

The other method is to select the table, then open the inspector, select Wrap, 
Then, in the object placement section choose floating. The table then shows up 
as an additional item on the page and you can edit it.

As for Apple doing something about Pages accessibility, I've been pestering for 
years about this and not much has changed.

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Re: MAC Air opinions?

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Hello Phil,

I have a MacBook Air with similar specifications, except that mine has an older 
processor and dates from 2011. It's a lovely fast little machine and my 
favourite of all the Macs I've owned.

Cheers,

Anne


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> I'm seriously considering purchasing a MAC Air 11 inch with the only upgrade 
> being a 128 flash drive from the default 64 GB flash drive.
> 
> It has:
> 1.7 I5 processor
> 4GB 1600 MHZ ram
> 128GB flash drive
> 
> My questions:
> is this sufficient to do basic internet, mail etc plus iWork apps like Pages 
> and Numbers? or, do I need a ram upgrade to 8GB? I'm not looking for a power 
> machine, just something to do basic stuff plus simple word processing and 
> spreadsheet during travel.
> 
> the 13 inch has a 1.8 I5 processor with upgrades to I7 series, but I'm not 
> yet convinced that is necessary for my needs.
> 
> Any thoughts or ideas, educated or otherwise welcome.
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Re: iWork programs and accessibility

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Hello Phil,

I wish you luck with the one-to-one training, but I fear the trainer will not 
be familiar enough with VoiceOver to understand how to manage iWork. You have 
to do a lot of interacting and bringing the mouse to the VoiceOver cursor and 
doing a simulated mouse click.

It all sounds very complicated but it's really quite easy once you get used to 
it. I use Pages regularly in my work as a translator, and I use Numbers for 
very simple spreadsheets. I've also used Keynote and it's pretty accessible.

Hotspots are very useful in iWork and its advisable to hide as many objects in 
the window as possible to reduce the clutter.

Cheers,

Anne


On 6 Mar 2013, at 15:58, Phil Halton  wrote:

> I'm considering buying a MACBook Air and getting the "one on one" training 
> with it since there's a store near me. I thought using the training sessions 
> for Pages/Numbers would be worth the effort. I'd have to work with the 
> trainer around the VoiceOver issues, but at least they could help me 
> understand the basic principles. It'd be vastly helpful to have a 
> knowledgeable sighted assistant during the iWork learning curve I think. What 
> do you think?

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Re: download window in safari.

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Hello Ian,

The Safari downloads window is only there when a download is in progress or if 
you haven't removed completed downloads.

In any case, why tab around? Just press Cmd-Option-l and you'll be in the 
downloads window.

Cheers,

Anne


On 25 Feb 2013, at 11:08, Ian McNamara  wrote:

> Hi all, my downloads window in safari seems to have disappeared. When I tab 
> around to find it it does not seem to be there. It was working ok earlier 
> this morning. Wonder if there's something I might have done without meaning 
> to.
> 
> thanks for any help that can be given.
> 
> Ian McNamara
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Re: ABBYY fine reader express.

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Hello Josh,

Theoretically, the FaceTime camera can be used, but for a blind person to get a 
good image is really difficult, and considering how cheap a portable flatbed 
scanner is, it really isn't worth the hassle.

Cheers,

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On 19 Feb 2013, at 00:40, josh gregory  wrote:

> Oh I see, so there's no app that could potentially use the FaceTime
> camera? If I understand it right, the quality that comes from such a
> cameras perfectly good for it.

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Re: ABBYY fine reader express.

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Hello Josh,

You need a scanner or a very good camera for ABBYY FineReader or any other OCR 
program for the Mac unless you're getting image PDFs that need OCR.

If you're looking for an OCR app for the iPhone, I'd strongly recommend Prizmo 
or Perfect OCR although other people also recommend Text Detective. With any of 
these, your biggest problem is making sure there's enough light and holding the 
iPhone as still as possible when taking the picture.

Cheers,

Anne


On 18 Feb 2013, at 15:42, josh gregory  wrote:

> How does something like that work… Through the FaceTime camera?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: ABBYY fine reader express.

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Hello Dónal,

You can now scan multiple pages into one file with ABBYY FineReader. However, 
if you have a lot to scan, it's quicker to use VueScan for the scanning part as 
it can be set to scan multiple pages automatically. With FineReader, you have 
to click the Resume button then switch windows back to the scanner window and 
click to scan again.

If I'm doing a whole book, I use VueScan, and then it passes off to FineReader 
for the OCR. But if I'm only scanning a few pages, I just use FineReader.

VueScan has to be bought from the developer and costs $39 for one year, or $79 
for life. You can use it for free, but it leaves a watermark.

The website for VueScan is:
www.hamrick.com

Cheers,

Anne

On 18 Feb 2013, at 15:43, Dónal Fitzpatrick  wrote:

> Thanks Anne.  Do I need anything else (software-related) to go with it?  
> Looking at older threads in the list archive seems to indicate that it was 
> once the case.
> 
> Dónal

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Hello Dónal,

ABBYY FineReader is definitely worth it. It's the best OCR for Mac and can 
handle three languages in one document. It's also really simple to use.

Cheers,

Anne


On 18 Feb 2013, at 15:27, Dónal Fitzpatrick  wrote:

> HI all,
> 
> THis is on sale on MacUpdate today for $49.  I've seen it before and been 
> tempted but never bothered.  Is it worth it?  Is there anything better?
> 
> Work are paying, so cost (for once) isn't an issue.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
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Re: Questions about pages-urgent

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Hello Marcos,

To check on the line spacing, select all (Cmd-a) and open the inspector. Make 
sure you're on the Text inspector with the Text option selected. Navigate right 
until you hear Color & Alignment, then navigate down to Line. Below this you'll 
find a percentage and to the right of that, if you're in double line spacing, 
it will say 2.

To change the font, press Cmd-t to open the Fonts palette. Jump to the first 
table using VO-Cmd-t and select the collection list. Select All Fonts in this 
table, then jump to the next table and type the letters "ti" to get quickly to 
Times. Times new Roman is the next one down for me.

Having selected the font you want, just press Cmd-t to hide the Fonts palette 
again. Press one of the arrow keys to unselect all the text and check that the 
font has changed using VO-t.

Cheers,

Anne
 

On 10 Feb 2013, at 01:57, Marcos Rodrigues  wrote:

> Thanks James, I think it worked but am not sure.
> 
> Is there a way to check if the lines are double-spaced now?
> 
> Another question, how do I change the type of letter I am using (I want to 
> use times new but VO just says I am using something called taoma)…
> 
> 
> Cheers.
> Marcos Rodrigues

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Re: Searching in Numbers

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Hello David,

I'm glad you find my little trick useful. I don't use Numbers much, but we're 
teaching iWork to a student at the moment, so I've been brushing up on it.

I'd love to be able to write the kind of guide you're talking about, but it 
takes a lot of time and concentration. I'd also have to do it in French, too, 
as most of my work is in French.

I'm most familiar with Pages as I use it for my translation work and I've used 
Keynote a bit, and we taught Keynote to a totally blind person a couple of 
years ago.

There's so much work to be done and so little time in which to do it.

However, thank you for your kind words.

Cheers,

Anne


On 9 Feb 2013, at 20:20, David Griffith  wrote:

> Absolutely brilliant.
> 
> I think you should consider writing a I Works Guide for visually Impaired
> people  .
> 
> Something modelled on the "getting started with the Iphone  for blind Users
> " Daisy Book only targeted at Office Productivity generally and using I
> Works on the Mac specifically.
> 
> You could probably assemble a lot of it from the posts you have made on this
> list but it would be very useful to have it all set out in tutorial form and
> properly structured with chapters on Pages Numbers and Keynote with possible
> supplementary on these app on I devices.
> You could also have Section on Text Edit, mail contacts Calendar and how
> they interact with the I Work suite. This  would fulfil a  great need.  For
> example I picked up from you that text Edit is a better tool for continuous
> reading of word docs than Pages.
> 
> There is also a need for a guide to using office productivity on the Mac
> which integrates OS  and voiceover key shortcuts.
> There are loads of introductions to voiceover but very little which takes
> you to the next stage.
> It is a yawning gap in the market.
> I, for one, would buy it.
> 
> David Griffith
> 
> 
> David Griffith

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Searching in Numbers

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Hello everyone,

I just discovered this trick for searching for specific content in Numbers.

• Set a hotspot on the table without interacting with it;
• Press Cmd-f to open the Search field;
• Stop interacting until you've stopped interacting with the scroll area;
• Navigate down to the next scroll area and set another hotspot;
• Press Cmd-f to hide the Search area.

Now, when you need to search for something, just press Cmd-f, enter the string 
and press Return. Go to the hotspot you sett on the Search area and select the 
result you want. Bring the mouse and press VO-Shift-Space then jump to the 
hotspot you set on the table. Just interact and you'll be on the selected cell.

This method removes the need to turn off cursor tracking, and minimises the 
amount of interacting and uninteracting you have to do.

I tried this from all over a spreadsheet with over 400 lines and it worked 
every time.

Cheers,

Anne
 
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Re: Navigating pages with VoiceOver

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Hello George,

Here's a description of how to use Pages on the iPhone. This is information I 
put together from various sources but I haven't used it much myself.

Cheers,

Anne

Pages on IOS
You can read and type text. Be aware, however, that rather than showing the 
entire document in one edit field, Pages breaks documents up in to multiple 
edit fields in such a way that each edit field corresponds to roughly one page 
of text. You'll see two or three of these "pages"/edit fields on screen at once 
and must use the vertical scrolling gestures to scroll through the pages. So, 
when you move to the top/bottom of an edit field, or select all text in an edit 
field, you aren't moving to the top/bottom of or selecting the entire document 
but rather manipulating the current "page". Thus, if you wanted to make some 
formatting change that applied to, say, a couple of pages, you'd have to select 
relevant text from the first edit field in question, apply the formatting 
change, select text in the next relevant edit field, apply formatting change, 
and so on.

You can accessibly change the font used. After you select text using typical VO 
selection commands, activate the Info button located in the upper right-hand 
portion of the screen. The safest way to find this without losing your 
selection is to approach the status bar from the top and locate the time, then 
slide your finger down to Info and tap with a second finger to activate it. 
Then go straight to the bottom portion of the screen without touching anything 
in between, and you'll find the Text Options pane. You'll see formatting items; 
activate the icon labeled with the current point/font info, then activate the 
icon called Font, CurrentFontName, (where CurrentFontName is the actual font 
name of course) and pick a different font. The buttons to apply effects such as 
Bold, Italic, Underline, etc. also work. You can also change the point size by 
flicking up or down. Once done making those changes, you can return to the text 
by sliding a finger up the left-hand side of the scree
 n.
Documents are saved automatically as you compose them, so you never save them 
manually. Emailing works fine; from upper-right portion of screen, select Tools 
> Share and Print > Email Document > button corresponding to file format you 
wish the attachment to be in, then a regular Mail window opens for you to fill 
in relevant details.
 If you add a new document and select the blank document template in order to 
add a blank document, its name will just be "blank", and the next blank 
document you create would be called "blank1", etc. There is a Rename button 
next to the name of each document. 
Creating folders is tricky. You need to have good spatial awareness since you 
need to slide the document onto the folder. When you first create a folder, you 
double tap and hold on one document then slide it onto another. This creates a 
folder called Folder which you can rename in the same way as for a file name.

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Re: Word processing software

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Sarah,

We made an APA format template which I can send you, if you like.

Cheers,

Anne



On 2 Feb 2013, at 18:10, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:

> How good is pages in regards to running headers.  and can you format the 
> first one to be 1 line down and the all others to be at the top of the page 
> like they should be?  I've heard wonderful podcasts on pages but having never 
> used it  I can't comment.
> 
> Can I easily with minimal frustrations write a 7 page paper and do well at 
> it, not in writing but in formatting and running headers and stuff. This is 
> the APA format we are talking about here btw. 
> 

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Re: Word processing software

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Hello Phil,

I'm currently working in Pages on a .docx document. Perhaps Pages doesn't 
handle all the features of .docx but it certainly does open the documents.

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On 1 Feb 2013, at 15:31, Phil Halton  wrote:

> I believe Pages will open word documents with the .doc extension, but the 
> newer .docx extension that is created by word 2010 is not handled by Pages.

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Re: Word processing software

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Hello George,

Your Mac comes with Mail for your e-mail, Safari for the internet, Calendar for 
your calendars, Contacts for your address book, Messages for sending SMSs, 
TextEdit for basic word processing, iTunes for media, and many other programs.

The Apple equivalent of Office consists of Pages for word processing, Numbers 
for spreadsheets and Keynote for presentations.

You can read and write documents in Word format using TextEdit but you do not 
get all the features by any means. However, for reading Word documents, 
TextEdit is the most convenient.

Cheers,

Anne


On 1 Feb 2013, at 10:02, George Cham  wrote:

> Thanks, so if  pages opens word documents, does it open excel as well? 
> And if microsoft office is not required, does the Mac come with an email 
> program? 
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Re: Word processing software

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Hello George,

You can open MS Word documents with TextEdit or Pages. I work with Word 
documents all the time as a freelance translator and I use Pages since it keeps 
most of the formatting correct. The only problems I have are with missing fonts 
and a few anomlies in the way text boxes and tables are handled. However, the 
fonts problem is minor and the layout problems are rare in what I do.

Cheers,

Anne


On 1 Feb 2013, at 08:58, George Cham  wrote:

> Hi Ann,
> Will pages and keynote open Microsoft word documents ?
> 
> 

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Re: Word processing software

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Hello George,

Between Pages and TextEdit, you should have no trouble opening text documents. 
If you have spreadsheets or PowerPoint presentations, then Numbers and Keynote 
would be necessary.

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On 1 Feb 2013, at 05:42, George Cham  wrote:

> Hi list, 
> I'm now ready to buy my i Mac, and have a question. 
> Will the pages app from apple, be enough to open most document formats? 
> And so saving me money on buying third party software? 
> 
> Typed with Fleksy
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Re: navigati messages in mail

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Hello Michael,

You need to interact with the table of messages and use the VO-Shift-Home and 
VO-Shift-End commands to get to the top or bottom of the table. On a laptop, 
Home = FN-Left Arrow and End = FN-Right Arrow.

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Re: Using a second language on the Mac

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Hello Hatch,

If all you want to do is be able to read in French, you just need to download 
one of the French voices that are available free with OS x. You have a choice 
of Virginie, Audrey, Thomas and Sébastien. To get them, you open VoiceOver 
Utility (VO-F8) and go to the Speech category. Select the Voices tab, then 
navigate right as far as Voice, then down to the Default voice pop up button. 
Press VO-Space and go down to Customize …
 and press Return. Type the word "French" into the search field then go right 
to the table. You'll find the French voices at the top of the list. Interact 
with the table and press VO-space on the voice you want to download. Click OK 
and the voice will be downloaded.

You can then select your French voice using VO-Cmd-Arrow keys whenever you like.

Cheers,

Anne

On 20 Jan 2013, at 12:13, H Erraji  wrote:

> Hi listers,
> 
> Can anyone explain to me how to setup a second language in OSX.  I am using 
> Mountain Lyon on Macbook Pro and I'd like to be able to switch from English 
> to French when I am surfing French language webpages.
> Thanks in advance.
> 
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Re: Help with Adob Digital Editions

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Hello Marcos,

To select a chapter in the Table of contents, just press Space bar on the 
chapter name. Right arrow takes you to the next page and, as Esther explained, 
as soon as you turn the page, you can press VO-Shift-c and then paste the 
contents of that page into a TextEdit document should you need to look at it in 
detail.

Cheers,

Anne


On 18 Jan 2013, at 02:21, Marcos Rodrigues  wrote:

> Hi friends:
> 
> I have just download this app and have lots of question about its use.
> 
> I purchased a book and am trying to read it.
> Firstly, I have the chapters of the book inside a table but can not read each 
> chapter individually. Is there a way to do it?
> I can just read the book if I select a page that I want to read, can not 
> choose a chapter (for example, chapter one) and read it.
> 
> When I select a page, VO reads it continuously, I did not find a way of 
> reading line by line, word by word or letter by letter, for example, if I 
> want to know how a word is written, I did not find a way of going to this 
> word and checking its spelling even though my rotor is set to caracteres. 
> Interacting with the page doesn't work either.
> 
> If I want to read just some parts of a page, without reading since the 
> beginning of it, does not seem possible either, any idea of how to do it?
> 
> Regards.
> Marcos Rodrigues
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Re: New user and member.

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Hello George,

I can't help you with the visual aspect of Mac OS x, but for the VO commands, 
although you can't change them, you can assign any of them to one or more of 
the commanders. You can also assign a different key to serve as the VO key, 
thereby liberating the Control and Option keys on the left side of a laptop 
computer.

This will all make sense once you have your Mac in front of you.

Cheers,

Anne


On 13 Jan 2013, at 05:43, George Cham  wrote:

> 
> Hello, I'm just new to the list, and have a few questions. 
> The first is how easy is it to use zoom on the Mac? And how about the 
> keyboard shortcuts for VoiceOver. Can they be changed? 
> I'm hoping  be getting my new Mac in a few weeks 
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