Re: size of the Plus (was: Improved speaker on iPhone 6s)

[Alex Hall]

OIS seems to mostly help with stabilizing video, from what I've read. Holding 
still for a shot with an OCR app, you probably won't notice it as much.

To say that Apple could include OIS in their smaller devices but chooses not to 
seems groundless. We don't know if they could or not, because we don't know how 
the cameras work. What if the Plus is the only device to offer the necessary 
room? What if there are other technical reasons they couldn't do it last year 
or this year? Apple is always close-mouthed about technical challenges, so no 
one has a clue what the story is. Could this be just another way to drive sales 
toward the larger (and more expensive) phone? Certainly, and I'm not saying it 
couldn't be. However, there's also no reason to say that this is absolutely the 
case.

Other than that, what do you lose by going for the 6S over the Plus? More 
battery life, which is simply a consequence of not being able to cram as much 
battery into a smaller phone. No landscape mode for apps like Safari or Mail, 
which is a design decision--the smaller screen just couldn't show apps in the 
special landscape mode with enough room to let you operate them effectively. 
Remember that Apple is all about esthetics, and a bad user experience isn't 
worth it to them, so they will carefully evaluate things and only bring 
features that look good on big screens to smaller screens when they know they 
can do it well. Finally, you lose the extra room for app screens or braille 
input, which is, again, a consequence of a smaller screen.

Aside from OIS, both models are the same in all but screen/battery. The same 
camera, amount of ram, Touch ID sensor, flash, button placement, 
processor/coprocessor, wireless abilities, ports, NFC chip, and so on. I guess 
I'm not seeing the big deal; if you don't want the Plus, the smaller iPhone 6 
or 6S is still the same device, just smaller and lacking OIS. It's also $100 
less.
> On Sep 28, 2015, at 13:16, Regina Alvarado <reggie.alvar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Were you able to feel the bubbles? Interesting. I wonder why as it fits over 
> the glass of the phone. Well, I guess I will find out. LOL. It will not 
> matter to me unless it bubbles under my fingers, but it could drive a VI or 
> sighted person to drink I imagine. 
> On Sep 28, 2015, at 12:46 PM, george b <gbma...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:gbma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> The the glass screen protector at your carrier’s store and they will put it 
> on for you.
> Note;  I had one and my brother also and they both got bubbles under them so 
> we took them off.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
> Sent: Monday, September 28, 2015 09:45
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: size of the Plus (was: Improved speaker on iPhone 6s)
>  
>  Whether you need optical image stabilization is dependent on whether you use 
> the camera to take pictures. If you do, it may help. If you don't, and that 
> includes even if you do OCR, it's not worth it. It will not matter. Go with 
> what feels better in your hand, because if you get something it's too big, 
> you will be nothing but frustrated. That is just my opinion of course. Where 
> did you get the gorilla glass screen protector?
> Mary
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 28, 2015, at 9:40 AM, Regina Alvarado <reggie.alvar...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:reggie.alvar...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>  
> What is optical image stabilization? Sounds like nothing I would need, and I 
> like the smaller feel of the 6s. Just curious to know if this is necessary. 
> By your post, it sounds like it costs more too. Oh, I was able to get a 
> screen protector with gorilla glass. What a difference to the touch and 
> movement of the fingers. Is this the first year these protectors have been 
> out? Again, curious. 
> 
> reggie & Lex
> 
> On Sep 28, 2015, at 12:28 PM, Robin <robin-mel...@comcast.net 
> <mailto:robin-mel...@comcast.net>> wrote:
> 
> I think they (they being Apple) should ComeOut with a couple of iPhones with 
> TheSameSpecs with the exception of TheirSize
> 
> If Apple had an iPhone6S, which had all of the features of the iPhone6S+ ... 
> I'm specifically Referrin'To the Optical Image Stablization, which is 
> exclusively only on the iPhone6S+
> 
> Samsung offers Optical Image Stablization on both its GalaxyS6 & GalaxyS6Edge 
> as well as its GalaxyS6Edge+  so the only Real Difference is TheirSize
> 
> What a Concept
> 
> In my opinion, Apple is requiring its customers ToPurchase the LargerDevice 
> if they desir

RE: size of the Plus (was: Improved speaker on iPhone 6s)

[george b]

The the glass screen protector at your carrier’s store and they will put it on 
for you.

Note;  I had one and my brother also and they both got bubbles under them so we 
took them off.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2015 09:45
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: size of the Plus (was: Improved speaker on iPhone 6s)

 

 Whether you need optical image stabilization is dependent on whether you use 
the camera to take pictures. If you do, it may help. If you don't, and that 
includes even if you do OCR, it's not worth it. It will not matter. Go with 
what feels better in your hand, because if you get something it's too big, you 
will be nothing but frustrated. That is just my opinion of course. Where did 
you get the gorilla glass screen protector?
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 28, 2015, at 9:40 AM, Regina Alvarado <reggie.alvar...@gmail.com 
<mailto:reggie.alvar...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

What is optical image stabilization? Sounds like nothing I would need, and I 
like the smaller feel of the 6s. Just curious to know if this is necessary. By 
your post, it sounds like it costs more too. Oh, I was able to get a screen 
protector with gorilla glass. What a difference to the touch and movement of 
the fingers. Is this the first year these protectors have been out? Again, 
curious. 

reggie & Lex


On Sep 28, 2015, at 12:28 PM, Robin <robin-mel...@comcast.net 
<mailto:robin-mel...@comcast.net> > wrote:

I think they (they being Apple) should ComeOut with a couple of iPhones with 
TheSameSpecs with the exception of TheirSize

If Apple had an iPhone6S, which had all of the features of the iPhone6S+ ... 
I'm specifically Referrin'To the Optical Image Stablization, which is 
exclusively only on the iPhone6S+

Samsung offers Optical Image Stablization on both its GalaxyS6 & GalaxyS6Edge 
as well as its GalaxyS6Edge+  so the only Real Difference is TheirSize

What a Concept

In my opinion, Apple is requiring its customers ToPurchase the LargerDevice if 
they desire that feature, which is about $100 More

JustSaying
At 08:14 AM 9/28/2015, you wrote:



Anders,

I agree with you about phone size. I really would like to have something the 
same size as the 5S. The fourss, or the iPod touch, which is the same 
dimensions I think as far as width and height are concerned, are OK too. But I 
wish they would do something for those of us with smaller hands. Oh well. There 
was a rumor that said they were going to come out with a new one that was the 
same size as the 5S. But so far, as you know that has not happened. Plus, if 
they do, it probably won't have all of the same features as the larger phones.

Mary

 

Sent from my iPhone

 

> On Sep 28, 2015, at 4:07 AM, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se 
> <mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se> > wrote:

> 

> Hi!

> Well, i might say something stupid now but this is my own personal preference 
> so don’t be angry.

> To me i really whish that if the iphone could be as small as the ipod touch 
> then i’d be as happy as can be.

> Ofcourse this will make braille writing nearly impossible but i never use 
> that so i don’t care much about it.

> We don’t have grade 2 in swedish anymore and we don’t learn it for 
> english either so thats one of the reasons i don’t use braille keyboards.

> /A

>> 27 sep. 2015 kl. 14:03 skrev Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com 
>> <mailto:kgli...@icloud.com> >:

>> 

>> I like the plus size  as Alex says if he needs to use the braille keyboard 
>> then there is more room to spread your fingers.  Partially sighted people 
>> say to me that they can read the screen better.  As I have no sight, I can't 
>> say yes or no.

>> 

>> I got tired of the 5S as the design hadn't really changed and I had started 
>> with the 4 so was looking for something different.  No doubt Apple will not 
>> be changing the design of their phones as I don't know what they can do to 
>> change them.

>> 

>> Kawal.

>> On 26 Sep 2015, at 21:15, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com 
>> <mailto:mehg...@icloud.com> > wrote:

>> 

>> I don't yet have one, but in preparation for upgrading, I wanted to see how 
>> the Plus would fit into my life. I have a cardboard cutout of a Plus, with 
>> some popsicle sticks taped to the back to give it structure. I carried it 
>> for a day, then attached my iPhone 5 to it for the next day. Both days, I 
>> was amazed to find that the cardboard Plus felt large in my hand, but small 
>> in my pocket. It's very thin and light, and is longer and narrower than you 
>> might imagine. Not being a more boxy shape lets it rest in my pocket better, 
>> and I had no

Re: size of the Plus (was: Improved speaker on iPhone 6s)

[Mary Otten]

Optical image stabilization isn't the only thing you get for that extra hundred 
dollars for the 6S plus. I don't know how it is accomplished. It is possible 
that they need the larger size to make it happen. I don't know how big the 
Samsung phones are either. But I do know that for me as a blind person, optical 
image stabilization is not necessary or useful.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 28, 2015, at 9:28 AM, Robin  wrote:
> 
> I think they (they being Apple) should ComeOut with a couple of iPhones with 
> TheSameSpecs with the exception of TheirSize
> 
> If Apple had an iPhone6S, which had all of the features of the iPhone6S+ ... 
> I'm specifically Referrin'To the Optical Image Stablization, which is 
> exclusively only on the iPhone6S+
> 
> Samsung offers Optical Image Stablization on both its GalaxyS6 & GalaxyS6Edge 
> as well as its GalaxyS6Edge+  so the only Real Difference is TheirSize
> 
> What a Concept
> 
> In my opinion, Apple is requiring its customers ToPurchase the LargerDevice 
> if they desire that feature, which is about $100 More
> 
> JustSaying
> At 08:14 AM 9/28/2015, you wrote:
>> Anders,
>> I agree with you about phone size. I really would like to have something the 
>> same size as the 5S. The fourss, or the iPod touch, which is the same 
>> dimensions I think as far as width and height are concerned, are OK too. But 
>> I wish they would do something for those of us with smaller hands. Oh well. 
>> There was a rumor that said they were going to come out with a new one that 
>> was the same size as the 5S. But so far, as you know that has not happened. 
>> Plus, if they do, it probably won't have all of the same features as the 
>> larger phones.
>> Mary
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> > On Sep 28, 2015, at 4:07 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi!
>> > Well, i might say something stupid now but this is my own personal 
>> > preference so don’t be angry.
>> > To me i really whish that if the iphone could be as small as the ipod 
>> > touch then i’d be as happy as can be.
>> > Ofcourse this will make braille writing nearly impossible but i never use 
>> > that so i don’t care much about it.
>> > We don’t have grade 2 in swedish anymore and we don’t learn it for 
>> > english either so thats one of the reasons i don’t use braille keyboards.
>> > /A
>> >> 27 sep. 2015 kl. 14:03 skrev Kawal Gucukoglu :
>> >>
>> >> I like the plus size  as Alex says if he needs to use the braille 
>> >> keyboard then there is more room to spread your fingers.  Partially 
>> >> sighted people say to me that they can read the screen better.  As I have 
>> >> no sight, I can't say yes or no.
>> >>
>> >> I got tired of the 5S as the design hadn't really changed and I had 
>> >> started with the 4 so was looking for something different.  No doubt 
>> >> Apple will not be changing the design of their phones as I don't know 
>> >> what they can do to change them.
>> >>
>> >> Kawal.
>> >> On 26 Sep 2015, at 21:15, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I don't yet have one, but in preparation for upgrading, I wanted to see 
>> >> how the Plus would fit into my life. I have a cardboard cutout of a Plus, 
>> >> with some popsicle sticks taped to the back to give it structure. I 
>> >> carried it for a day, then attached my iPhone 5 to it for the next day. 
>> >> Both days, I was amazed to find that the cardboard Plus felt large in my 
>> >> hand, but small in my pocket. It's very thin and light, and is longer and 
>> >> narrower than you might imagine. Not being a more boxy shape lets it rest 
>> >> in my pocket better, and I had no problems with it the two days I tested 
>> >> it with my model. While not an actual phone, this gave me confidence that 
>> >> the Plus will be just fine, which is good as it's the one I was leaning 
>> >> towards. The better battery life, larger braille input area, landscape 
>> >> mode for apps, and image stabilization are all things I'm looking forward 
>> >> to.
>> >>
>> >> You can easily print out the same template I used, and carry around a 
>> >> cardboard version of a Plus, to see how it'll work for you. Yes, it might 
>> >> require minor adjustments in position or grip, but there are definite 
>> >> advantages and I encourage you to consider the change to a Plus as just 
>> >> that: a change, rather than looking for something the same size as the 5S 
>> >> but with better internals. Of course, if the plusses don't outweigh the 
>> >> minuses for you, there's nothing wrong with the 6S, that's why Apple 
>> >> makes both sizes. Give the Plus a shot though; you might be pleasantly 
>> >> surprised.
>> >>> On Sep 26, 2015, at 15:15, Grant  wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Whether something is too big or not is obviously subjective, but I do 
>> >>> wonder how the size of the 6Plus and 6S Plus phones makes a difference 
>> >>> in every day usage for VoiceOver 

Re: size of the Plus (was: Improved speaker on iPhone 6s)

[Mary Otten]

 Whether you need optical image stabilization is dependent on whether you use 
the camera to take pictures. If you do, it may help. If you don't, and that 
includes even if you do OCR, it's not worth it. It will not matter. Go with 
what feels better in your hand, because if you get something it's too big, you 
will be nothing but frustrated. That is just my opinion of course. Where did 
you get the gorilla glass screen protector?
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 28, 2015, at 9:40 AM, Regina Alvarado  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> What is optical image stabilization? Sounds like nothing I would need, and I 
> like the smaller feel of the 6s. Just curious to know if this is necessary. 
> By your post, it sounds like it costs more too. Oh, I was able to get a 
> screen protector with gorilla glass. What a difference to the touch and 
> movement of the fingers. Is this the first year these protectors have been 
> out? Again, curious. 
> 
> reggie & Lex
> 
> On Sep 28, 2015, at 12:28 PM, Robin  wrote:
> 
> I think they (they being Apple) should ComeOut with a couple of iPhones with 
> TheSameSpecs with the exception of TheirSize
> 
> If Apple had an iPhone6S, which had all of the features of the iPhone6S+ ... 
> I'm specifically Referrin'To the Optical Image Stablization, which is 
> exclusively only on the iPhone6S+
> 
> Samsung offers Optical Image Stablization on both its GalaxyS6 & GalaxyS6Edge 
> as well as its GalaxyS6Edge+  so the only Real Difference is TheirSize
> 
> What a Concept
> 
> In my opinion, Apple is requiring its customers ToPurchase the LargerDevice 
> if they desire that feature, which is about $100 More
> 
> JustSaying
> At 08:14 AM 9/28/2015, you wrote:
>> Anders,
>> I agree with you about phone size. I really would like to have something the 
>> same size as the 5S. The fourss, or the iPod touch, which is the same 
>> dimensions I think as far as width and height are concerned, are OK too. But 
>> I wish they would do something for those of us with smaller hands. Oh well. 
>> There was a rumor that said they were going to come out with a new one that 
>> was the same size as the 5S. But so far, as you know that has not happened. 
>> Plus, if they do, it probably won't have all of the same features as the 
>> larger phones.
>> Mary
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> > On Sep 28, 2015, at 4:07 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi!
>> > Well, i might say something stupid now but this is my own personal 
>> > preference so don’t be angry.
>> > To me i really whish that if the iphone could be as small as the ipod 
>> > touch then i’d be as happy as can be.
>> > Ofcourse this will make braille writing nearly impossible but i never use 
>> > that so i don’t care much about it.
>> > We don’t have grade 2 in swedish anymore and we don’t learn it for 
>> > english either so thats one of the reasons i don’t use braille keyboards.
>> > /A
>> >> 27 sep. 2015 kl. 14:03 skrev Kawal Gucukoglu :
>> >>
>> >> I like the plus size  as Alex says if he needs to use the braille 
>> >> keyboard then there is more room to spread your fingers.  Partially 
>> >> sighted people say to me that they can read the screen better.  As I have 
>> >> no sight, I can't say yes or no.
>> >>
>> >> I got tired of the 5S as the design hadn't really changed and I had 
>> >> started with the 4 so was looking for something different.  No doubt 
>> >> Apple will not be changing the design of their phones as I don't know 
>> >> what they can do to change them.
>> >>
>> >> Kawal.
>> >> On 26 Sep 2015, at 21:15, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I don't yet have one, but in preparation for upgrading, I wanted to see 
>> >> how the Plus would fit into my life. I have a cardboard cutout of a Plus, 
>> >> with some popsicle sticks taped to the back to give it structure. I 
>> >> carried it for a day, then attached my iPhone 5 to it for the next day. 
>> >> Both days, I was amazed to find that the cardboard Plus felt large in my 
>> >> hand, but small in my pocket. It's very thin and light, and is longer and 
>> >> narrower than you might imagine. Not being a more boxy shape lets it rest 
>> >> in my pocket better, and I had no problems with it the two days I tested 
>> >> it with my model. While not an actual phone, this gave me confidence that 
>> >> the Plus will be just fine, which is good as it's the one I was leaning 
>> >> towards. The better battery life, larger braille input area, landscape 
>> >> mode for apps, and image stabilization are all things I'm looking forward 
>> >> to.
>> >>
>> >> You can easily print out the same template I used, and carry around a 
>> >> cardboard version of a Plus, to see how it'll work for you. Yes, it might 
>> >> require minor adjustments in position or grip, but there are definite 
>> >> advantages and I encourage you to consider the change to a Plus as just 
>> >> that: a 

RE: size of the Plus (was: Improved speaker on iPhone 6s)

[george b]

Lol and what does all of this have to do with the subject line

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Robin
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2015 10:09
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: size of the Plus (was: Improved speaker on iPhone 6s)

That's not true because Nokia has that feature on its VZW (NowRetired) 
LumiaIcon (Lumia929) & Samsung has it on their MobilePhones since launching the 
GalaxyS5 & Beyond (that includes the Note Series as well as the Galaxy S Series

the GalaxyS6 is about 5.1 Inches & the GalaxyS6Edge+ is about 5.7 Inches

And, as I recall, the iPhone6S+ is about 5.5 Inches & the iPhone6S is about 4.7 
Inches

Apple could have this feature on both modles, but it chooses not to

As I understand it, this feature is rumored to help in catching/viewing Video 
and/or taking pictures

I'm sure others, who have the iPhone6+ and/or 
iPhone6S+ can ChimeIn on it. I am particularly
interested to hear from TotallyBlind users of the 
iPhone6+ and/or iPhone6S+, and how it functions
for them. It would be Great if they had an
iPhone6 and/or iPhone6S to Compare TheDifferences With & WithOut the 
Optical Image Stablization feature

JustSaying
At 09:48 AM 9/28/2015, you wrote:
>Optical image stabilization isn't the only thing you get for that extra 
>hundred dollars for the 6S plus. I don't know how it is accomplished. 
>It is possible that they need the larger size to make it happen. I 
>don't know how big the Samsung phones are either. But I do know that 
>for me as a blind person, optical image stabilization is not necessary 
>or useful.
>Mary
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Sep 28, 2015, at 9:28 AM, Robin <robin-mel...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > I think they (they being Apple) should
> ComeOut with a couple of iPhones with TheSameSpecs with the 
> exception of TheirSize
> >
> > If Apple had an iPhone6S, which had all of
> the features of the iPhone6S+ ... I'm specifically Referrin'To the 
> Optical Image Stablization, which is exclusively only on the iPhone6S+
> >
> > Samsung offers Optical Image Stablization on
> both its GalaxyS6 & GalaxyS6Edge as well as its
> GalaxyS6Edge+  so the only Real Difference is TheirSize
> >
> > What a Concept
> >
> > In my opinion, Apple is requiring its
> customers ToPurchase the LargerDevice if they desire that feature, 
> which is about $100 More
> >
> > JustSaying
> > At 08:14 AM 9/28/2015, you wrote:
> >> Anders,
> >> I agree with you about phone size. I really
> would like to have something the same size as the 5S. The fourss, or 
> the iPod touch, which is the same dimensions I think as far as width 
> and height are concerned, are OK too. But I wish they would do 
> something for those of us with smaller hands. Oh well. There was a 
> rumor that said they were going to come out with a new one that was 
> the same size as the 5S. But so far, as you know that has not 
> happened. Plus, if they do, it probably won't have all of the same 
> features as the larger phones.
> >> Mary
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> > On Sep 28, 2015, at 4:07 AM, Anders
> Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Hi!
> >> > Well, i might say something stupid now but
> this is my own personal preference so don̢۪t be angry.
>.
> >> > To me i really whish that if the iphone
> could be as small as the ipod touch then i̢۪d be as happy as can be.
>.
> >> > Ofcourse this will make braille writing
> nearly impossible but i never use that so i don̢۪t care much about it.
>.
> >> > We don̢۪t have grade 2 in swedish
> anymore and we we don̢۪t learn it for english  either so thats one 
>of tf the reasons i don̢۪t use braille keyboards.
>.
> >> > /A
> >> >> 27 sep. 2015 kl. 14:03 skrev Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com>:
> >> >>
> >> >> I like the plus size  as Alex says if he
> needs to use the braille keyboard then there is more room to spread 
> your fingers.  Partially sighted people say to me that they can read 
> the screen better.  As I have no sight, I can't say yes or no.
> >> >>
> >> >> I got tired of the 5S as the design
> hadn't really changed and I had started with the 4 so was looking for 
> something different.  No doubt Apple will not be changing the design 
> of their phones as I don't know what they can do to change them.
> >> >>
> >> >> Kawal.
> >> >> On 26 Sep 2015, at 21:15, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com> wrote:
> >> >&g

Re: size of the Plus (was: Improved speaker on iPhone 6s)

[Regina Alvarado]

What is optical image stabilization? Sounds like nothing I would need, and I 
like the smaller feel of the 6s. Just curious to know if this is necessary. By 
your post, it sounds like it costs more too. Oh, I was able to get a screen 
protector with gorilla glass. What a difference to the touch and movement of 
the fingers. Is this the first year these protectors have been out? Again, 
curious. 

reggie & Lex

On Sep 28, 2015, at 12:28 PM, Robin  wrote:

I think they (they being Apple) should ComeOut with a couple of iPhones with 
TheSameSpecs with the exception of TheirSize

If Apple had an iPhone6S, which had all of the features of the iPhone6S+ ... 
I'm specifically Referrin'To the Optical Image Stablization, which is 
exclusively only on the iPhone6S+

Samsung offers Optical Image Stablization on both its GalaxyS6 & GalaxyS6Edge 
as well as its GalaxyS6Edge+  so the only Real Difference is TheirSize

What a Concept

In my opinion, Apple is requiring its customers ToPurchase the LargerDevice if 
they desire that feature, which is about $100 More

JustSaying
At 08:14 AM 9/28/2015, you wrote:
> Anders,
> I agree with you about phone size. I really would like to have something the 
> same size as the 5S. The fourss, or the iPod touch, which is the same 
> dimensions I think as far as width and height are concerned, are OK too. But 
> I wish they would do something for those of us with smaller hands. Oh well. 
> There was a rumor that said they were going to come out with a new one that 
> was the same size as the 5S. But so far, as you know that has not happened. 
> Plus, if they do, it probably won't have all of the same features as the 
> larger phones.
> Mary
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Sep 28, 2015, at 4:07 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> >
> > Hi!
> > Well, i might say something stupid now but this is my own personal 
> > preference so don’t be angry.
> > To me i really whish that if the iphone could be as small as the ipod touch 
> > then i’d be as happy as can be.
> > Ofcourse this will make braille writing nearly impossible but i never use 
> > that so i don’t care much about it.
> > We don’t have grade 2 in swedish anymore and we don’t learn it for 
> > english either so thats one of the reasons i don’t use braille keyboards.
> > /A
> >> 27 sep. 2015 kl. 14:03 skrev Kawal Gucukoglu :
> >>
> >> I like the plus size  as Alex says if he needs to use the braille keyboard 
> >> then there is more room to spread your fingers.  Partially sighted people 
> >> say to me that they can read the screen better.  As I have no sight, I 
> >> can't say yes or no.
> >>
> >> I got tired of the 5S as the design hadn't really changed and I had 
> >> started with the 4 so was looking for something different.  No doubt Apple 
> >> will not be changing the design of their phones as I don't know what they 
> >> can do to change them.
> >>
> >> Kawal.
> >> On 26 Sep 2015, at 21:15, Alex Hall  wrote:
> >>
> >> I don't yet have one, but in preparation for upgrading, I wanted to see 
> >> how the Plus would fit into my life. I have a cardboard cutout of a Plus, 
> >> with some popsicle sticks taped to the back to give it structure. I 
> >> carried it for a day, then attached my iPhone 5 to it for the next day. 
> >> Both days, I was amazed to find that the cardboard Plus felt large in my 
> >> hand, but small in my pocket. It's very thin and light, and is longer and 
> >> narrower than you might imagine. Not being a more boxy shape lets it rest 
> >> in my pocket better, and I had no problems with it the two days I tested 
> >> it with my model. While not an actual phone, this gave me confidence that 
> >> the Plus will be just fine, which is good as it's the one I was leaning 
> >> towards. The better battery life, larger braille input area, landscape 
> >> mode for apps, and image stabilization are all things I'm looking forward 
> >> to.
> >>
> >> You can easily print out the same template I used, and carry around a 
> >> cardboard version of a Plus, to see how it'll work for you. Yes, it might 
> >> require minor adjustments in position or grip, but there are definite 
> >> advantages and I encourage you to consider the change to a Plus as just 
> >> that: a change, rather than looking for something the same size as the 5S 
> >> but with better internals. Of course, if the plusses don't outweigh the 
> >> minuses for you, there's nothing wrong with the 6S, that's why Apple makes 
> >> both sizes. Give the Plus a shot though; you might be pleasantly surprised.
> >>> On Sep 26, 2015, at 15:15, Grant  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Whether something is too big or not is obviously subjective, but I do 
> >>> wonder how the size of the 6Plus and 6S Plus phones makes a difference in 
> >>> every day usage for VoiceOver users. On the plus side, perhaps for folks 
> >>> who use Braille screen input, the larger 

Re: size of the Plus (was: Improved speaker on iPhone 6s)

[Regina Alvarado]

I bought it in the Sprint store. It is wonderful. I would say Amazon or other 
places have them, though. No more stuck fingers. In fact, I find myself tapping 
even lighter on the screen. Do not know why this is so, however. It just 
happened. It cost about 40 dollars so it is more expensive, but I will always 
have one. 
On Sep 28, 2015, at 12:44 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:

 Whether you need optical image stabilization is dependent on whether you use 
the camera to take pictures. If you do, it may help. If you don't, and that 
includes even if you do OCR, it's not worth it. It will not matter. Go with 
what feels better in your hand, because if you get something it's too big, you 
will be nothing but frustrated. That is just my opinion of course. Where did 
you get the gorilla glass screen protector?
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 28, 2015, at 9:40 AM, Regina Alvarado  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> What is optical image stabilization? Sounds like nothing I would need, and I 
> like the smaller feel of the 6s. Just curious to know if this is necessary. 
> By your post, it sounds like it costs more too. Oh, I was able to get a 
> screen protector with gorilla glass. What a difference to the touch and 
> movement of the fingers. Is this the first year these protectors have been 
> out? Again, curious. 
> 
> reggie & Lex
> 
> On Sep 28, 2015, at 12:28 PM, Robin  wrote:
> 
> I think they (they being Apple) should ComeOut with a couple of iPhones with 
> TheSameSpecs with the exception of TheirSize
> 
> If Apple had an iPhone6S, which had all of the features of the iPhone6S+ ... 
> I'm specifically Referrin'To the Optical Image Stablization, which is 
> exclusively only on the iPhone6S+
> 
> Samsung offers Optical Image Stablization on both its GalaxyS6 & GalaxyS6Edge 
> as well as its GalaxyS6Edge+  so the only Real Difference is TheirSize
> 
> What a Concept
> 
> In my opinion, Apple is requiring its customers ToPurchase the LargerDevice 
> if they desire that feature, which is about $100 More
> 
> JustSaying
> At 08:14 AM 9/28/2015, you wrote:
>> Anders,
>> I agree with you about phone size. I really would like to have something the 
>> same size as the 5S. The fourss, or the iPod touch, which is the same 
>> dimensions I think as far as width and height are concerned, are OK too. But 
>> I wish they would do something for those of us with smaller hands. Oh well. 
>> There was a rumor that said they were going to come out with a new one that 
>> was the same size as the 5S. But so far, as you know that has not happened. 
>> Plus, if they do, it probably won't have all of the same features as the 
>> larger phones.
>> Mary
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> > On Sep 28, 2015, at 4:07 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi!
>> > Well, i might say something stupid now but this is my own personal 
>> > preference so don’t be angry.
>> > To me i really whish that if the iphone could be as small as the ipod 
>> > touch then i’d be as happy as can be.
>> > Ofcourse this will make braille writing nearly impossible but i never use 
>> > that so i don’t care much about it.
>> > We don’t have grade 2 in swedish anymore and we don’t learn it for 
>> > english either so thats one of the reasons i don’t use braille keyboards.
>> > /A
>> >> 27 sep. 2015 kl. 14:03 skrev Kawal Gucukoglu :
>> >>
>> >> I like the plus size  as Alex says if he needs to use the braille 
>> >> keyboard then there is more room to spread your fingers.  Partially 
>> >> sighted people say to me that they can read the screen better.  As I have 
>> >> no sight, I can't say yes or no.
>> >>
>> >> I got tired of the 5S as the design hadn't really changed and I had 
>> >> started with the 4 so was looking for something different.  No doubt 
>> >> Apple will not be changing the design of their phones as I don't know 
>> >> what they can do to change them.
>> >>
>> >> Kawal.
>> >> On 26 Sep 2015, at 21:15, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I don't yet have one, but in preparation for upgrading, I wanted to see 
>> >> how the Plus would fit into my life. I have a cardboard cutout of a Plus, 
>> >> with some popsicle sticks taped to the back to give it structure. I 
>> >> carried it for a day, then attached my iPhone 5 to it for the next day. 
>> >> Both days, I was amazed to find that the cardboard Plus felt large in my 
>> >> hand, but small in my pocket. It's very thin and light, and is longer and 
>> >> narrower than you might imagine. Not being a more boxy shape lets it rest 
>> >> in my pocket better, and I had no problems with it the two days I tested 
>> >> it with my model. While not an actual phone, this gave me confidence that 
>> >> the Plus will be just fine, which is good as it's the one I was leaning 
>> >> towards. The better battery life, larger braille input area, landscape 
>> >> mode for apps, and image 

Re: size of the Plus (was: Improved speaker on iPhone 6s)

[Mary Otten]

My carrier store does not have glass screen protectors. That is T-Mobile. I got 
one for my 5S2 years ago from the Verizon store. I have seen one online made by 
anger, and sold from Amazon via anchor direct. I am debating whether or not I 
want to get another one.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 28, 2015, at 9:46 AM, george b <gbma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> The the glass screen protector at your carrier’s store and they will put it 
> on for you.
> Note;  I had one and my brother also and they both got bubbles under them so 
> we took them off.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
> Sent: Monday, September 28, 2015 09:45
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: size of the Plus (was: Improved speaker on iPhone 6s)
>  
>  Whether you need optical image stabilization is dependent on whether you use 
> the camera to take pictures. If you do, it may help. If you don't, and that 
> includes even if you do OCR, it's not worth it. It will not matter. Go with 
> what feels better in your hand, because if you get something it's too big, 
> you will be nothing but frustrated. That is just my opinion of course. Where 
> did you get the gorilla glass screen protector?
> Mary
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 28, 2015, at 9:40 AM, Regina Alvarado <reggie.alvar...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
>  
> What is optical image stabilization? Sounds like nothing I would need, and I 
> like the smaller feel of the 6s. Just curious to know if this is necessary. 
> By your post, it sounds like it costs more too. Oh, I was able to get a 
> screen protector with gorilla glass. What a difference to the touch and 
> movement of the fingers. Is this the first year these protectors have been 
> out? Again, curious. 
> 
> reggie & Lex
> 
> On Sep 28, 2015, at 12:28 PM, Robin <robin-mel...@comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> I think they (they being Apple) should ComeOut with a couple of iPhones with 
> TheSameSpecs with the exception of TheirSize
> 
> If Apple had an iPhone6S, which had all of the features of the iPhone6S+ ... 
> I'm specifically Referrin'To the Optical Image Stablization, which is 
> exclusively only on the iPhone6S+
> 
> Samsung offers Optical Image Stablization on both its GalaxyS6 & GalaxyS6Edge 
> as well as its GalaxyS6Edge+  so the only Real Difference is TheirSize
> 
> What a Concept
> 
> In my opinion, Apple is requiring its customers ToPurchase the LargerDevice 
> if they desire that feature, which is about $100 More
> 
> JustSaying
> At 08:14 AM 9/28/2015, you wrote:
> 
> Anders,
> I agree with you about phone size. I really would like to have something the 
> same size as the 5S. The fourss, or the iPod touch, which is the same 
> dimensions I think as far as width and height are concerned, are OK too. But 
> I wish they would do something for those of us with smaller hands. Oh well. 
> There was a rumor that said they were going to come out with a new one that 
> was the same size as the 5S. But so far, as you know that has not happened. 
> Plus, if they do, it probably won't have all of the same features as the 
> larger phones.
> Mary
>  
> Sent from my iPhone
>  
> > On Sep 28, 2015, at 4:07 AM, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se> wrote:
> > 
> > Hi!
> > Well, i might say something stupid now but this is my own personal 
> > preference so don’t be angry.
> > To me i really whish that if the iphone could be as small as the ipod touch 
> > then i’d be as happy as can be.
> > Ofcourse this will make braille writing nearly impossible but i never use 
> > that so i don’t care much about it.
> > We don’t have grade 2 in swedish anymore and we don’t learn it for 
> > english either so thats one of the reasons i don’t use braille keyboards.
> > /A
> >> 27 sep. 2015 kl. 14:03 skrev Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com>:
> >> 
> >> I like the plus size  as Alex says if he needs to use the braille keyboard 
> >> then there is more room to spread your fingers.  Partially sighted people 
> >> say to me that they can read the screen better.  As I have no sight, I 
> >> can't say yes or no.
> >> 
> >> I got tired of the 5S as the design hadn't really changed and I had 
> >> started with the 4 so was looking for something different.  No doubt Apple 
> >> will not be changing the design of their phones as I don't know what they 
> >> can do to change them.
> >> 
> >> Kawal.
> >> On 26 Sep 2015, at 21:15, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com> wrote:
> >> 
> >> I don't yet hav

Re: size of the Plus (was: Improved speaker on iPhone 6s)

[Robin]

That's not true because Nokia has that feature on 
its VZW (NowRetired) LumiaIcon (Lumia929) & 
Samsung has it on their MobilePhones since 
launching the GalaxyS5 & Beyond (that includes 
the Note Series as well as the Galaxy S Series


the GalaxyS6 is about 5.1 Inches & the GalaxyS6Edge+ is about 5.7 Inches

And, as I recall, the iPhone6S+ is about 5.5 
Inches & the iPhone6S is about 4.7 Inches


Apple could have this feature on both modles, but it chooses not to

As I understand it, this feature is rumored to 
help in catching/viewing Video and/or taking pictures


I'm sure others, who have the iPhone6+ and/or 
iPhone6S+ can ChimeIn on it. I am particularly 
interested to hear from TotallyBlind users of the 
iPhone6+ and/or iPhone6S+, and how it functions 
for them. It would be Great if they had an 
iPhone6 and/or iPhone6S to Compare 
TheDifferences With & WithOut the Optical Image Stablization feature


JustSaying
At 09:48 AM 9/28/2015, you wrote:
Optical image stabilization isn't the only thing 
you get for that extra hundred dollars for the 
6S plus. I don't know how it is accomplished. It 
is possible that they need the larger size to 
make it happen. I don't know how big the Samsung 
phones are either. But I do know that for me as 
a blind person, optical image stabilization is not necessary or useful.

Mary

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 28, 2015, at 9:28 AM, Robin  wrote:
>
> I think they (they being Apple) should 
ComeOut with a couple of iPhones with 
TheSameSpecs with the exception of TheirSize

>
> If Apple had an iPhone6S, which had all of 
the features of the iPhone6S+ ... I'm 
specifically Referrin'To the Optical Image 
Stablization, which is exclusively only on the iPhone6S+

>
> Samsung offers Optical Image Stablization on 
both its GalaxyS6 & GalaxyS6Edge as well as its 
GalaxyS6Edge+  so the only Real Difference is TheirSize

>
> What a Concept
>
> In my opinion, Apple is requiring its 
customers ToPurchase the LargerDevice if they 
desire that feature, which is about $100 More

>
> JustSaying
> At 08:14 AM 9/28/2015, you wrote:
>> Anders,
>> I agree with you about phone size. I really 
would like to have something the same size as 
the 5S. The fourss, or the iPod touch, which is 
the same dimensions I think as far as width and 
height are concerned, are OK too. But I wish 
they would do something for those of us with 
smaller hands. Oh well. There was a rumor that 
said they were going to come out with a new one 
that was the same size as the 5S. But so far, 
as you know that has not happened. Plus, if 
they do, it probably won't have all of the same features as the larger phones.

>> Mary
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Sep 28, 2015, at 4:07 AM, Anders 
Holmberg  wrote:

>> >
>> > Hi!
>> > Well, i might say something stupid now but 
this is my own personal preference so don̢۪t be angry.

.
>> > To me i really whish that if the iphone 
could be as small as the ipod touch then i̢۪d be as happy as can be.

.
>> > Ofcourse this will make braille writing 
nearly impossible but i never use that so i don̢۪t care much about it.

.
>> > We don̢۪t have grade 2 in swedish 
anymore and we we don̢۪t learn it for english 
either so thats one of tf the reasons i don̢۪t use braille keyboards.

.
>> > /A
>> >> 27 sep. 2015 kl. 14:03 skrev Kawal Gucukoglu :
>> >>
>> >> I like the plus size  as Alex says if he 
needs to use the braille keyboard then there is 
more room to spread your fingers.  Partially 
sighted people say to me that they can read the 
screen better.  As I have no sight, I can't say yes or no.

>> >>
>> >> I got tired of the 5S as the design 
hadn't really changed and I had started with 
the 4 so was looking for something 
different.  No doubt Apple will not be changing 
the design of their phones as I don't know what they can do to change them.

>> >>
>> >> Kawal.
>> >> On 26 Sep 2015, at 21:15, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I don't yet have one, but in preparation 
for upgrading, I wanted to see how the Plus 
would fit into my life. I have a cardboard 
cutout of a Plus, with some popsicle sticks 
taped to the back to give it structure. I 
carried it for a day, then attached my iPhone 5 
to it for the next day. Both days, I was amazed 
to find that the cardboard Plus felt large in 
my hand, but small in my pocket. It's very thin 
and light, and is longer and narrower than you 
might imagine. Not being a more boxy shape lets 
it rest in my pocket better, and I had no 
problems with it the two days I tested it with 
my model. While not an actual phone, this gave 
me confidence that the Plus will be just fine, 
which is good as it's the one I was leaning 
towards. The better battery life, larger 
braille input area, landscape mode for apps, 
and image stabilization are all things I'm looking forward to.

>> >>
>> >> You can easily print out the same 
template I used, and carry around 

Re: size of the Plus (was: Improved speaker on iPhone 6s)

[Regina Alvarado]

Were you able to feel the bubbles? Interesting. I wonder why as it fits over 
the glass of the phone. Well, I guess I will find out. LOL. It will not matter 
to me unless it bubbles under my fingers, but it could drive a VI or sighted 
person to drink I imagine. 
On Sep 28, 2015, at 12:46 PM, george b <gbma...@gmail.com> wrote:

The the glass screen protector at your carrier’s store and they will put it on 
for you.
Note;  I had one and my brother also and they both got bubbles under them so we 
took them off.
 
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2015 09:45
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: size of the Plus (was: Improved speaker on iPhone 6s)
 
 Whether you need optical image stabilization is dependent on whether you use 
the camera to take pictures. If you do, it may help. If you don't, and that 
includes even if you do OCR, it's not worth it. It will not matter. Go with 
what feels better in your hand, because if you get something it's too big, you 
will be nothing but frustrated. That is just my opinion of course. Where did 
you get the gorilla glass screen protector?
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 28, 2015, at 9:40 AM, Regina Alvarado <reggie.alvar...@gmail.com> wrote:

 
What is optical image stabilization? Sounds like nothing I would need, and I 
like the smaller feel of the 6s. Just curious to know if this is necessary. By 
your post, it sounds like it costs more too. Oh, I was able to get a screen 
protector with gorilla glass. What a difference to the touch and movement of 
the fingers. Is this the first year these protectors have been out? Again, 
curious. 

reggie & Lex

On Sep 28, 2015, at 12:28 PM, Robin <robin-mel...@comcast.net> wrote:

I think they (they being Apple) should ComeOut with a couple of iPhones with 
TheSameSpecs with the exception of TheirSize

If Apple had an iPhone6S, which had all of the features of the iPhone6S+ ... 
I'm specifically Referrin'To the Optical Image Stablization, which is 
exclusively only on the iPhone6S+

Samsung offers Optical Image Stablization on both its GalaxyS6 & GalaxyS6Edge 
as well as its GalaxyS6Edge+  so the only Real Difference is TheirSize

What a Concept

In my opinion, Apple is requiring its customers ToPurchase the LargerDevice if 
they desire that feature, which is about $100 More

JustSaying
At 08:14 AM 9/28/2015, you wrote:

Anders,
I agree with you about phone size. I really would like to have something the 
same size as the 5S. The fourss, or the iPod touch, which is the same 
dimensions I think as far as width and height are concerned, are OK too. But I 
wish they would do something for those of us with smaller hands. Oh well. There 
was a rumor that said they were going to come out with a new one that was the 
same size as the 5S. But so far, as you know that has not happened. Plus, if 
they do, it probably won't have all of the same features as the larger phones.
Mary
 
Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Sep 28, 2015, at 4:07 AM, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se> wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Well, i might say something stupid now but this is my own personal preference 
> so don’t be angry.
> To me i really whish that if the iphone could be as small as the ipod touch 
> then i’d be as happy as can be.
> Ofcourse this will make braille writing nearly impossible but i never use 
> that so i don’t care much about it.
> We don’t have grade 2 in swedish anymore and we don’t learn it for 
> english either so thats one of the reasons i don’t use braille keyboards.
> /A
>> 27 sep. 2015 kl. 14:03 skrev Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com>:
>> 
>> I like the plus size  as Alex says if he needs to use the braille keyboard 
>> then there is more room to spread your fingers.  Partially sighted people 
>> say to me that they can read the screen better.  As I have no sight, I can't 
>> say yes or no.
>> 
>> I got tired of the 5S as the design hadn't really changed and I had started 
>> with the 4 so was looking for something different.  No doubt Apple will not 
>> be changing the design of their phones as I don't know what they can do to 
>> change them.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>> On 26 Sep 2015, at 21:15, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I don't yet have one, but in preparation for upgrading, I wanted to see how 
>> the Plus would fit into my life. I have a cardboard cutout of a Plus, with 
>> some popsicle sticks taped to the back to give it structure. I carried it 
>> for a day, then attached my iPhone 5 to it for the next day. Both days, I 
>> was amazed to find that the cardboard Plus felt large in my hand, but small 
>> in my pocket. It's very thin and light, and is longer and narrower than you 
>> might imagine. Not b

Re: size of the Plus (was: Improved speaker on iPhone 6s)

[Robin]

I think they (they being Apple) should ComeOut 
with a couple of iPhones with 
TheSameSpecs with the exception of TheirSize


If Apple had an iPhone6S, which had all of the 
features of the iPhone6S+ ... I'm specifically 
Referrin'To the Optical Image Stablization, which 
is exclusively only on the iPhone6S+


Samsung offers Optical Image Stablization on both 
its GalaxyS6 & GalaxyS6Edge as well as its 
GalaxyS6Edge+  so the only Real Difference is TheirSize


What a Concept

In my opinion, Apple is requiring its customers 
ToPurchase the LargerDevice if they desire that 
feature, which is about $100 More


JustSaying
At 08:14 AM 9/28/2015, you wrote:

Anders,
I agree with you about phone size. I really 
would like to have something the same size as 
the 5S. The fourss, or the iPod touch, which is 
the same dimensions I think as far as width and 
height are concerned, are OK too. But I wish 
they would do something for those of us with 
smaller hands. Oh well. There was a rumor that 
said they were going to come out with a new one 
that was the same size as the 5S. But so far, as 
you know that has not happened. Plus, if they 
do, it probably won't have all of the same features as the larger phones.

Mary

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 28, 2015, at 4:07 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>
> Hi!
> Well, i might say something stupid now but 
this is my own personal preference so don’t be angry.
> To me i really whish that if the iphone could 
be as small as the ipod touch then i’d be as happy as can be.
> Ofcourse this will make braille writing 
nearly impossible but i never use that so i don’t care much about it.
> We don’t have grade 2 in swedish anymore 
and we don’t learn it for english either so 
thats one of the reasons i don’t use braille keyboards.

> /A
>> 27 sep. 2015 kl. 14:03 skrev Kawal Gucukoglu :
>>
>> I like the plus size  as Alex says if he 
needs to use the braille keyboard then there is 
more room to spread your fingers.  Partially 
sighted people say to me that they can read the 
screen better.  As I have no sight, I can't say yes or no.

>>
>> I got tired of the 5S as the design hadn't 
really changed and I had started with the 4 so 
was looking for something different.  No doubt 
Apple will not be changing the design of their 
phones as I don't know what they can do to change them.

>>
>> Kawal.
>> On 26 Sep 2015, at 21:15, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>
>> I don't yet have one, but in preparation for 
upgrading, I wanted to see how the Plus would 
fit into my life. I have a cardboard cutout of 
a Plus, with some popsicle sticks taped to the 
back to give it structure. I carried it for a 
day, then attached my iPhone 5 to it for the 
next day. Both days, I was amazed to find that 
the cardboard Plus felt large in my hand, but 
small in my pocket. It's very thin and light, 
and is longer and narrower than you might 
imagine. Not being a more boxy shape lets it 
rest in my pocket better, and I had no problems 
with it the two days I tested it with my model. 
While not an actual phone, this gave me 
confidence that the Plus will be just fine, 
which is good as it's the one I was leaning 
towards. The better battery life, larger 
braille input area, landscape mode for apps, 
and image stabilization are all things I'm looking forward to.

>>
>> You can easily print out the same template I 
used, and carry around a cardboard version of a 
Plus, to see how it'll work for you. Yes, it 
might require minor adjustments in position or 
grip, but there are definite advantages and I 
encourage you to consider the change to a Plus 
as just that: a change, rather than looking for 
something the same size as the 5S but with 
better internals. Of course, if the plusses 
don't outweigh the minuses for you, there's 
nothing wrong with the 6S, that's why Apple 
makes both sizes. Give the Plus a shot though; 
you might be pleasantly surprised.

>>> On Sep 26, 2015, at 15:15, Grant  wrote:
>>>
>>> Whether something is too big or not is 
obviously subjective, but I do wonder how the 
size of the 6Plus and 6S Plus phones makes a 
difference in every day usage for VoiceOver 
users. On the plus side, perhaps for folks who 
use Braille screen input, the larger screen 
real estate you have to work with might make 
typing easier. On the other hand, are folks 
finding the phones easy to carry when out and 
about? Do they fit comfortably in your pockets? 
I use my iPhone 5S on my commutes and often I 
don’t even need to take it out of my pocket 
to use the touch screen. I have a transit 
widget that I check to monitor bus departure 
times, and I use apps like BlindSquare and 
Google Maps as well. And of course, I can 
listen to music or audiobooks while commuting, 
too. If I couldn’t carry the phone in my 
pocket and had to carry it in a backpack or 
briefcase, that would be quite a bit less 
convenient for me. How do you folks 

Re: size of the Plus (was: Improved speaker on iPhone 6s)

[Mary Otten]

Anders,
I agree with you about phone size. I really would like to have something the 
same size as the 5S. The fourss, or the iPod touch, which is the same 
dimensions I think as far as width and height are concerned, are OK too. But I 
wish they would do something for those of us with smaller hands. Oh well. There 
was a rumor that said they were going to come out with a new one that was the 
same size as the 5S. But so far, as you know that has not happened. Plus, if 
they do, it probably won't have all of the same features as the larger phones.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 28, 2015, at 4:07 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Well, i might say something stupid now but this is my own personal preference 
> so don’t be angry.
> To me i really whish that if the iphone could be as small as the ipod touch 
> then i’d be as happy as can be.
> Ofcourse this will make braille writing nearly impossible but i never use 
> that so i don’t care much about it.
> We don’t have grade 2 in swedish anymore and we don’t learn it for english 
> either so thats one of the reasons i don’t use braille keyboards.
> /A
>> 27 sep. 2015 kl. 14:03 skrev Kawal Gucukoglu :
>> 
>> I like the plus size  as Alex says if he needs to use the braille keyboard 
>> then there is more room to spread your fingers.  Partially sighted people 
>> say to me that they can read the screen better.  As I have no sight, I can't 
>> say yes or no.
>> 
>> I got tired of the 5S as the design hadn't really changed and I had started 
>> with the 4 so was looking for something different.  No doubt Apple will not 
>> be changing the design of their phones as I don't know what they can do to 
>> change them.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>> On 26 Sep 2015, at 21:15, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>> I don't yet have one, but in preparation for upgrading, I wanted to see how 
>> the Plus would fit into my life. I have a cardboard cutout of a Plus, with 
>> some popsicle sticks taped to the back to give it structure. I carried it 
>> for a day, then attached my iPhone 5 to it for the next day. Both days, I 
>> was amazed to find that the cardboard Plus felt large in my hand, but small 
>> in my pocket. It's very thin and light, and is longer and narrower than you 
>> might imagine. Not being a more boxy shape lets it rest in my pocket better, 
>> and I had no problems with it the two days I tested it with my model. While 
>> not an actual phone, this gave me confidence that the Plus will be just 
>> fine, which is good as it's the one I was leaning towards. The better 
>> battery life, larger braille input area, landscape mode for apps, and image 
>> stabilization are all things I'm looking forward to.
>> 
>> You can easily print out the same template I used, and carry around a 
>> cardboard version of a Plus, to see how it'll work for you. Yes, it might 
>> require minor adjustments in position or grip, but there are definite 
>> advantages and I encourage you to consider the change to a Plus as just 
>> that: a change, rather than looking for something the same size as the 5S 
>> but with better internals. Of course, if the plusses don't outweigh the 
>> minuses for you, there's nothing wrong with the 6S, that's why Apple makes 
>> both sizes. Give the Plus a shot though; you might be pleasantly surprised.
>>> On Sep 26, 2015, at 15:15, Grant  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Whether something is too big or not is obviously subjective, but I do 
>>> wonder how the size of the 6Plus and 6S Plus phones makes a difference in 
>>> every day usage for VoiceOver users. On the plus side, perhaps for folks 
>>> who use Braille screen input, the larger screen real estate you have to 
>>> work with might make typing easier. On the other hand, are folks finding 
>>> the phones easy to carry when out and about? Do they fit comfortably in 
>>> your pockets? I use my iPhone 5S on my commutes and often I don’t even need 
>>> to take it out of my pocket to use the touch screen. I have a transit 
>>> widget that I check to monitor bus departure times, and I use apps like 
>>> BlindSquare and Google Maps as well. And of course, I can listen to music 
>>> or audiobooks while commuting, too. If I couldn’t carry the phone in my 
>>> pocket and had to carry it in a backpack or briefcase, that would be quite 
>>> a bit less convenient for me. How do you folks feel about this—for those 
>>> who’ve used the larger phones for a year now, do you eventually adjust to 
>>> the larger screen size?
>>> 
>>> Grant
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Re: size of the Plus (was: Improved speaker on iPhone 6s)

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Well, i might say something stupid now but this is my own personal preference 
so don’t be angry.
To me i really whish that if the iphone could be as small as the ipod touch 
then i’d be as happy as can be.
Ofcourse this will make braille writing nearly impossible but i never use that 
so i don’t care much about it.
We don’t have grade 2 in swedish anymore and we don’t learn it for english 
either so thats one of the reasons i don’t use braille keyboards.
/A
> 27 sep. 2015 kl. 14:03 skrev Kawal Gucukoglu :
> 
> I like the plus size  as Alex says if he needs to use the braille keyboard 
> then there is more room to spread your fingers.  Partially sighted people say 
> to me that they can read the screen better.  As I have no sight, I can't say 
> yes or no.
> 
> I got tired of the 5S as the design hadn't really changed and I had started 
> with the 4 so was looking for something different.  No doubt Apple will not 
> be changing the design of their phones as I don't know what they can do to 
> change them.
> 
> Kawal.
> On 26 Sep 2015, at 21:15, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> I don't yet have one, but in preparation for upgrading, I wanted to see how 
> the Plus would fit into my life. I have a cardboard cutout of a Plus, with 
> some popsicle sticks taped to the back to give it structure. I carried it for 
> a day, then attached my iPhone 5 to it for the next day. Both days, I was 
> amazed to find that the cardboard Plus felt large in my hand, but small in my 
> pocket. It's very thin and light, and is longer and narrower than you might 
> imagine. Not being a more boxy shape lets it rest in my pocket better, and I 
> had no problems with it the two days I tested it with my model. While not an 
> actual phone, this gave me confidence that the Plus will be just fine, which 
> is good as it's the one I was leaning towards. The better battery life, 
> larger braille input area, landscape mode for apps, and image stabilization 
> are all things I'm looking forward to.
> 
> You can easily print out the same template I used, and carry around a 
> cardboard version of a Plus, to see how it'll work for you. Yes, it might 
> require minor adjustments in position or grip, but there are definite 
> advantages and I encourage you to consider the change to a Plus as just that: 
> a change, rather than looking for something the same size as the 5S but with 
> better internals. Of course, if the plusses don't outweigh the minuses for 
> you, there's nothing wrong with the 6S, that's why Apple makes both sizes. 
> Give the Plus a shot though; you might be pleasantly surprised.
>> On Sep 26, 2015, at 15:15, Grant  wrote:
>> 
>> Whether something is too big or not is obviously subjective, but I do wonder 
>> how the size of the 6Plus and 6S Plus phones makes a difference in every day 
>> usage for VoiceOver users. On the plus side, perhaps for folks who use 
>> Braille screen input, the larger screen real estate you have to work with 
>> might make typing easier. On the other hand, are folks finding the phones 
>> easy to carry when out and about? Do they fit comfortably in your pockets? I 
>> use my iPhone 5S on my commutes and often I don’t even need to take it out 
>> of my pocket to use the touch screen. I have a transit widget that I check 
>> to monitor bus departure times, and I use apps like BlindSquare and Google 
>> Maps as well. And of course, I can listen to music or audiobooks while 
>> commuting, too. If I couldn’t carry the phone in my pocket and had to carry 
>> it in a backpack or briefcase, that would be quite a bit less convenient for 
>> me. How do you folks feel about this—for those who’ve used the larger phones 
>> for a year now, do you eventually adjust to the larger screen size?
>> 
>> Grant
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Re: Improved speaker on iPhone 6s

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Yes its in the eu.
Well i might try it later to day.
/A
> 27 sep. 2015 kl. 13:55 skrev Kawal Gucukoglu :
> 
> You could call the UK online store as they say they serve Europe as they are 
> based in Ireland Cork.  We have to call that store if we want to order 
> online.  I think Sweden  is in the EU? 
> On 26 Sep 2015, at 23:29, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> No i don’t know anything about it.
> I wonder if one could order from the uk and get it to sweden?
> /A
>> 26 sep. 2015 kl. 20:34 skrev Krister Ekstrom :
>> 
>> Hi Anders,
>> Have you heard anything about when the iPhone 6S and 6S+ will be available 
>> here in Sweden?
>> /Krister
>> 
>>> 26 sep. 2015 kl. 20:17 skrev Anders Holmberg :
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> I am about to order an iphone 6s.
>>> However is it very big?
>>> I have seen the iphone 6 plus and that one is to big for me.
>>> I don’t see no reason for a blind using a 6 plus or 6splus.
>>> But i guess thats just my thoughts.
>>> No judgement behind it.
>>> /A
 26 sep. 2015 kl. 03:34 skrev Mary Otten :
 
 Hi all,
 I just got my new 6S today, and it seems to me that the quality of the 
 speaker is a bit better. Bye better, I guess I should say, there seems to 
 be more base. I assume this is because of the larger size of the phone. I 
 noticed the same thing on my friends six as  compared to my 5S.
 Mary
 
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Re: size of the Plus (was: Improved speaker on iPhone 6s)

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
True.
But i guess we have to get use to bigger phones.
In the early 2000 the phones got smaller and now suddenly they growing bigger 
in size again.
/A
> 28 sep. 2015 kl. 17:14 skrev Mary Otten :
> 
> Anders,
> I agree with you about phone size. I really would like to have something the 
> same size as the 5S. The fourss, or the iPod touch, which is the same 
> dimensions I think as far as width and height are concerned, are OK too. But 
> I wish they would do something for those of us with smaller hands. Oh well. 
> There was a rumor that said they were going to come out with a new one that 
> was the same size as the 5S. But so far, as you know that has not happened. 
> Plus, if they do, it probably won't have all of the same features as the 
> larger phones.
> Mary
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 28, 2015, at 4:07 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> Well, i might say something stupid now but this is my own personal 
>> preference so don’t be angry.
>> To me i really whish that if the iphone could be as small as the ipod touch 
>> then i’d be as happy as can be.
>> Ofcourse this will make braille writing nearly impossible but i never use 
>> that so i don’t care much about it.
>> We don’t have grade 2 in swedish anymore and we don’t learn it for english 
>> either so thats one of the reasons i don’t use braille keyboards.
>> /A
>>> 27 sep. 2015 kl. 14:03 skrev Kawal Gucukoglu :
>>> 
>>> I like the plus size  as Alex says if he needs to use the braille keyboard 
>>> then there is more room to spread your fingers.  Partially sighted people 
>>> say to me that they can read the screen better.  As I have no sight, I 
>>> can't say yes or no.
>>> 
>>> I got tired of the 5S as the design hadn't really changed and I had started 
>>> with the 4 so was looking for something different.  No doubt Apple will not 
>>> be changing the design of their phones as I don't know what they can do to 
>>> change them.
>>> 
>>> Kawal.
>>> On 26 Sep 2015, at 21:15, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I don't yet have one, but in preparation for upgrading, I wanted to see how 
>>> the Plus would fit into my life. I have a cardboard cutout of a Plus, with 
>>> some popsicle sticks taped to the back to give it structure. I carried it 
>>> for a day, then attached my iPhone 5 to it for the next day. Both days, I 
>>> was amazed to find that the cardboard Plus felt large in my hand, but small 
>>> in my pocket. It's very thin and light, and is longer and narrower than you 
>>> might imagine. Not being a more boxy shape lets it rest in my pocket 
>>> better, and I had no problems with it the two days I tested it with my 
>>> model. While not an actual phone, this gave me confidence that the Plus 
>>> will be just fine, which is good as it's the one I was leaning towards. The 
>>> better battery life, larger braille input area, landscape mode for apps, 
>>> and image stabilization are all things I'm looking forward to.
>>> 
>>> You can easily print out the same template I used, and carry around a 
>>> cardboard version of a Plus, to see how it'll work for you. Yes, it might 
>>> require minor adjustments in position or grip, but there are definite 
>>> advantages and I encourage you to consider the change to a Plus as just 
>>> that: a change, rather than looking for something the same size as the 5S 
>>> but with better internals. Of course, if the plusses don't outweigh the 
>>> minuses for you, there's nothing wrong with the 6S, that's why Apple makes 
>>> both sizes. Give the Plus a shot though; you might be pleasantly surprised.
 On Sep 26, 2015, at 15:15, Grant  wrote:
 
 Whether something is too big or not is obviously subjective, but I do 
 wonder how the size of the 6Plus and 6S Plus phones makes a difference in 
 every day usage for VoiceOver users. On the plus side, perhaps for folks 
 who use Braille screen input, the larger screen real estate you have to 
 work with might make typing easier. On the other hand, are folks finding 
 the phones easy to carry when out and about? Do they fit comfortably in 
 your pockets? I use my iPhone 5S on my commutes and often I don’t even 
 need to take it out of my pocket to use the touch screen. I have a transit 
 widget that I check to monitor bus departure times, and I use apps like 
 BlindSquare and Google Maps as well. And of course, I can listen to music 
 or audiobooks while commuting, too. If I couldn’t carry the phone in my 
 pocket and had to carry it in a backpack or briefcase, that would be quite 
 a bit less convenient for me. How do you folks feel about this—for those 
 who’ve used the larger phones for a year now, do you eventually adjust to 
 the larger screen size?
 
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Re: size of the Plus (was: Improved speaker on iPhone 6s)

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Well i do hope though that the battery last longer on n iphone 6s than on my 5S.
Even though its been replaced.
/A
> 28 sep. 2015 kl. 21:18 skrev Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com>:
> 
> OIS seems to mostly help with stabilizing video, from what I've read. Holding 
> still for a shot with an OCR app, you probably won't notice it as much.
> 
> To say that Apple could include OIS in their smaller devices but chooses not 
> to seems groundless. We don't know if they could or not, because we don't 
> know how the cameras work. What if the Plus is the only device to offer the 
> necessary room? What if there are other technical reasons they couldn't do it 
> last year or this year? Apple is always close-mouthed about technical 
> challenges, so no one has a clue what the story is. Could this be just 
> another way to drive sales toward the larger (and more expensive) phone? 
> Certainly, and I'm not saying it couldn't be. However, there's also no reason 
> to say that this is absolutely the case.
> 
> Other than that, what do you lose by going for the 6S over the Plus? More 
> battery life, which is simply a consequence of not being able to cram as much 
> battery into a smaller phone. No landscape mode for apps like Safari or Mail, 
> which is a design decision--the smaller screen just couldn't show apps in the 
> special landscape mode with enough room to let you operate them effectively. 
> Remember that Apple is all about esthetics, and a bad user experience isn't 
> worth it to them, so they will carefully evaluate things and only bring 
> features that look good on big screens to smaller screens when they know they 
> can do it well. Finally, you lose the extra room for app screens or braille 
> input, which is, again, a consequence of a smaller screen.
> 
> Aside from OIS, both models are the same in all but screen/battery. The same 
> camera, amount of ram, Touch ID sensor, flash, button placement, 
> processor/coprocessor, wireless abilities, ports, NFC chip, and so on. I 
> guess I'm not seeing the big deal; if you don't want the Plus, the smaller 
> iPhone 6 or 6S is still the same device, just smaller and lacking OIS. It's 
> also $100 less.
>> On Sep 28, 2015, at 13:16, Regina Alvarado <reggie.alvar...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:reggie.alvar...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Were you able to feel the bubbles? Interesting. I wonder why as it fits over 
>> the glass of the phone. Well, I guess I will find out. LOL. It will not 
>> matter to me unless it bubbles under my fingers, but it could drive a VI or 
>> sighted person to drink I imagine. 
>> On Sep 28, 2015, at 12:46 PM, george b <gbma...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:gbma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> The the glass screen protector at your carrier’s store and they will put it 
>> on for you.
>> Note;  I had one and my brother also and they both got bubbles under them so 
>> we took them off.
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
>> Sent: Monday, September 28, 2015 09:45
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: size of the Plus (was: Improved speaker on iPhone 6s)
>>  
>>  Whether you need optical image stabilization is dependent on whether you 
>> use the camera to take pictures. If you do, it may help. If you don't, and 
>> that includes even if you do OCR, it's not worth it. It will not matter. Go 
>> with what feels better in your hand, because if you get something it's too 
>> big, you will be nothing but frustrated. That is just my opinion of course. 
>> Where did you get the gorilla glass screen protector?
>> Mary
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Sep 28, 2015, at 9:40 AM, Regina Alvarado <reggie.alvar...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:reggie.alvar...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>  
>> What is optical image stabilization? Sounds like nothing I would need, and I 
>> like the smaller feel of the 6s. Just curious to know if this is necessary. 
>> By your post, it sounds like it costs more too. Oh, I was able to get a 
>> screen protector with gorilla glass. What a difference to the touch and 
>> movement of the fingers. Is this the first year these protectors have been 
>> out? Again, curious. 
>> 
>> reggie & Lex
>> 
>> On Sep 28, 2015, at 12:28 PM, Robin <robin-mel...@comcast.net 
>> <mailto:robin-mel...@comcast.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> I think they (they being Apple) should Com

Re: Improved speaker on iPhone 6s

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

You could call the UK online store as they say they serve Europe as they are 
based in Ireland Cork.  We have to call that store if we want to order online.  
I think Sweden  is in the EU? 
On 26 Sep 2015, at 23:29, Anders Holmberg  wrote:

Hi!
No i don’t know anything about it.
I wonder if one could order from the uk and get it to sweden?
/A
> 26 sep. 2015 kl. 20:34 skrev Krister Ekstrom :
> 
> Hi Anders,
> Have you heard anything about when the iPhone 6S and 6S+ will be available 
> here in Sweden?
> /Krister
> 
>> 26 sep. 2015 kl. 20:17 skrev Anders Holmberg :
>> 
>> Hi!
>> I am about to order an iphone 6s.
>> However is it very big?
>> I have seen the iphone 6 plus and that one is to big for me.
>> I don’t see no reason for a blind using a 6 plus or 6splus.
>> But i guess thats just my thoughts.
>> No judgement behind it.
>> /A
>>> 26 sep. 2015 kl. 03:34 skrev Mary Otten :
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> I just got my new 6S today, and it seems to me that the quality of the 
>>> speaker is a bit better. Bye better, I guess I should say, there seems to 
>>> be more base. I assume this is because of the larger size of the phone. I 
>>> noticed the same thing on my friends six as  compared to my 5S.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: size of the Plus (was: Improved speaker on iPhone 6s)

[Robin]

You wanna know what Apple WillDo ToChange TheLook 
of its iPhones ... simply Look at TheDesign of 
Samsung's GalaxyS6Edge & GalaxyS6Edge+


I'm specifically Referrin'To the CurvedEdges

Apple appeared to Copy the Placement of the 
PowerKey by MovingIt from the TopCenter-Right to 
the RightSide as illustrated on Samsung'sGalaxy 
MobilePhones beginning with the GalaxyS5 MayBe even the GalaxyS4


I'm not sure if Apple will do this, I just simply 
predicting it will happenn BasedOn PastExploits


At 05:03 AM 9/27/2015, you wrote:
I like the plus size  as Alex says if he needs 
to use the braille keyboard then there is more 
room to spread your fingers.  Partially sighted 
people say to me that they can read the screen 
better.  As I have no sight, I can't say yes or no.


I got tired of the 5S as the design hadn't 
really changed and I had started with the 4 so 
was looking for something different.  No doubt 
Apple will not be changing the design of their 
phones as I don't know what they can do to change them.


Kawal.
On 26 Sep 2015, at 21:15, Alex Hall  wrote:

I don't yet have one, but in preparation for 
upgrading, I wanted to see how the Plus would 
fit into my life. I have a cardboard cutout of a 
Plus, with some popsicle sticks taped to the 
back to give it structure. I carried it for a 
day, then attached my iPhone 5 to it for the 
next day. Both days, I was amazed to find that 
the cardboard Plus felt large in my hand, but 
small in my pocket. It's very thin and light, 
and is longer and narrower than you might 
imagine. Not being a more boxy shape lets it 
rest in my pocket better, and I had no problems 
with it the two days I tested it with my model. 
While not an actual phone, this gave me 
confidence that the Plus will be just fine, 
which is good as it's the one I was leaning 
towards. The better battery life, larger braille 
input area, landscape mode for apps, and image 
stabilization are all things I'm looking forward to.


You can easily print out the same template I 
used, and carry around a cardboard version of a 
Plus, to see how it'll work for you. Yes, it 
might require minor adjustments in position or 
grip, but there are definite advantages and I 
encourage you to consider the change to a Plus 
as just that: a change, rather than looking for 
something the same size as the 5S but with 
better internals. Of course, if the plusses 
don't outweigh the minuses for you, there's 
nothing wrong with the 6S, that's why Apple 
makes both sizes. Give the Plus a shot though; 
you might be pleasantly surprised.

> On Sep 26, 2015, at 15:15, Grant  wrote:
>
> Whether something is too big or not is 
obviously subjective, but I do wonder how the 
size of the 6Plus and 6S Plus phones makes a 
difference in every day usage for VoiceOver 
users. On the plus side, perhaps for folks who 
use Braille screen input, the larger screen 
real estate you have to work with might make 
typing easier. On the other hand, are folks 
finding the phones easy to carry when out and 
about? Do they fit comfortably in your pockets? 
I use my iPhone 5S on my commutes and often I 
don’t even need to take it out of my pocket 
to use the touch screen. I have a transit 
widget that I check to monitor bus departure 
times, and I use apps like BlindSquare and 
Google Maps as well. And of course, I can 
listen to music or audiobooks while commuting, 
too. If I couldn’t carry the phone in my 
pocket and had to carry it in a backpack or 
briefcase, that would be quite a bit less 
convenient for me. How do you folks feel about 
this—for those whoo’ve used the larger phones 
for a year now, do you eventually adjust to the larger screen size?

>
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Re: Improved speaker on iPhone 6s

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

It's definitely just your thought, yes, as I have a 6+, and I wouldn't ask 
for anything smaller.  I have a 5S as well as a backup phone, and to me, 
that thing feels dinky in my hand.  It just feels really really teeny.  Kind 
of reminds me of holding an old cassette tape in my hand.  E! Yikes!


Chris.

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Subject: Re: Improved speaker on iPhone 6s


Hi!
I am about to order an iphone 6s.
However is it very big?
I have seen the iphone 6 plus and that one is to big for me.
I don’t see no reason for a blind using a 6 plus or 6splus.
But i guess thats just my thoughts.
No judgement behind it.
/A

26 sep. 2015 kl. 03:34 skrev Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com>:

Hi all,
I just got my new 6S today, and it seems to me that the quality of the 
speaker is a bit better. Bye better, I guess I should say, there seems to 
be more base. I assume this is because of the larger size of the phone. I 
noticed the same thing on my friends six as  compared to my 5S.

Mary

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Re: Improved speaker on iPhone 6s

[Mary Otten]

If you have seen the iPhone 6, the 6S is a sensually the same. There is 
apparently a very minor difference, but unless you held the two phones right 
together, you would not know it. I agree, that the 6+ is too large at least for 
me. I know many people like it because of the bigger battery. But the size is a 
dealbreaker in my opinion.
Mary

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> On Sep 26, 2015, at 11:17 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> I am about to order an iphone 6s.
> However is it very big?
> I have seen the iphone 6 plus and that one is to big for me.
> I don’t see no reason for a blind using a 6 plus or 6splus.
> But i guess thats just my thoughts.
> No judgement behind it.
> /A
>> 26 sep. 2015 kl. 03:34 skrev Mary Otten :
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> I just got my new 6S today, and it seems to me that the quality of the 
>> speaker is a bit better. Bye better, I guess I should say, there seems to be 
>> more base. I assume this is because of the larger size of the phone. I 
>> noticed the same thing on my friends six as  compared to my 5S.
>> Mary
>> 
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Re: Improved speaker on iPhone 6s

[Krister Ekstrom]

Hi Anders,
Have you heard anything about when the iPhone 6S and 6S+ will be available here 
in Sweden?
/Krister

> 26 sep. 2015 kl. 20:17 skrev Anders Holmberg :
> 
> Hi!
> I am about to order an iphone 6s.
> However is it very big?
> I have seen the iphone 6 plus and that one is to big for me.
> I don’t see no reason for a blind using a 6 plus or 6splus.
> But i guess thats just my thoughts.
> No judgement behind it.
> /A
>> 26 sep. 2015 kl. 03:34 skrev Mary Otten :
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> I just got my new 6S today, and it seems to me that the quality of the 
>> speaker is a bit better. Bye better, I guess I should say, there seems to be 
>> more base. I assume this is because of the larger size of the phone. I 
>> noticed the same thing on my friends six as  compared to my 5S.
>> Mary
>> 
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Re: Improved speaker on iPhone 6s

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
No i don’t know anything about it.
I wonder if one could order from the uk and get it to sweden?
/A
> 26 sep. 2015 kl. 20:34 skrev Krister Ekstrom :
> 
> Hi Anders,
> Have you heard anything about when the iPhone 6S and 6S+ will be available 
> here in Sweden?
> /Krister
> 
>> 26 sep. 2015 kl. 20:17 skrev Anders Holmberg :
>> 
>> Hi!
>> I am about to order an iphone 6s.
>> However is it very big?
>> I have seen the iphone 6 plus and that one is to big for me.
>> I don’t see no reason for a blind using a 6 plus or 6splus.
>> But i guess thats just my thoughts.
>> No judgement behind it.
>> /A
>>> 26 sep. 2015 kl. 03:34 skrev Mary Otten :
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> I just got my new 6S today, and it seems to me that the quality of the 
>>> speaker is a bit better. Bye better, I guess I should say, there seems to 
>>> be more base. I assume this is because of the larger size of the phone. I 
>>> noticed the same thing on my friends six as  compared to my 5S.
>>> Mary
>>> 
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Re: Improved speaker on iPhone 6s

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I am about to order an iphone 6s.
However is it very big?
I have seen the iphone 6 plus and that one is to big for me.
I don’t see no reason for a blind using a 6 plus or 6splus.
But i guess thats just my thoughts.
No judgement behind it.
/A
> 26 sep. 2015 kl. 03:34 skrev Mary Otten :
> 
> Hi all,
> I just got my new 6S today, and it seems to me that the quality of the 
> speaker is a bit better. Bye better, I guess I should say, there seems to be 
> more base. I assume this is because of the larger size of the phone. I 
> noticed the same thing on my friends six as  compared to my 5S.
> Mary
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Re: Improved speaker on iPhone 6s

[Grant]

Whether something is too big or not is obviously subjective, but I do wonder 
how the size of the 6Plus and 6S Plus phones makes a difference in every day 
usage for VoiceOver users. On the plus side, perhaps for folks who use Braille 
screen input, the larger screen real estate you have to work with might make 
typing easier. On the other hand, are folks finding the phones easy to carry 
when out and about? Do they fit comfortably in your pockets? I use my iPhone 5S 
on my commutes and often I don’t even need to take it out of my pocket to use 
the touch screen. I have a transit widget that I check to monitor bus departure 
times, and I use apps like BlindSquare and Google Maps as well. And of course, 
I can listen to music or audiobooks while commuting, too. If I couldn’t carry 
the phone in my pocket and had to carry it in a backpack or briefcase, that 
would be quite a bit less convenient for me. How do you folks feel about 
this—for those who’ve used the larger phones for a year now, do you eventually 
adjust to the larger screen size?

Grant

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size of the Plus (was: Improved speaker on iPhone 6s)

[Alex Hall]

I don't yet have one, but in preparation for upgrading, I wanted to see how the 
Plus would fit into my life. I have a cardboard cutout of a Plus, with some 
popsicle sticks taped to the back to give it structure. I carried it for a day, 
then attached my iPhone 5 to it for the next day. Both days, I was amazed to 
find that the cardboard Plus felt large in my hand, but small in my pocket. 
It's very thin and light, and is longer and narrower than you might imagine. 
Not being a more boxy shape lets it rest in my pocket better, and I had no 
problems with it the two days I tested it with my model. While not an actual 
phone, this gave me confidence that the Plus will be just fine, which is good 
as it's the one I was leaning towards. The better battery life, larger braille 
input area, landscape mode for apps, and image stabilization are all things I'm 
looking forward to.

You can easily print out the same template I used, and carry around a cardboard 
version of a Plus, to see how it'll work for you. Yes, it might require minor 
adjustments in position or grip, but there are definite advantages and I 
encourage you to consider the change to a Plus as just that: a change, rather 
than looking for something the same size as the 5S but with better internals. 
Of course, if the plusses don't outweigh the minuses for you, there's nothing 
wrong with the 6S, that's why Apple makes both sizes. Give the Plus a shot 
though; you might be pleasantly surprised.
> On Sep 26, 2015, at 15:15, Grant  wrote:
> 
> Whether something is too big or not is obviously subjective, but I do wonder 
> how the size of the 6Plus and 6S Plus phones makes a difference in every day 
> usage for VoiceOver users. On the plus side, perhaps for folks who use 
> Braille screen input, the larger screen real estate you have to work with 
> might make typing easier. On the other hand, are folks finding the phones 
> easy to carry when out and about? Do they fit comfortably in your pockets? I 
> use my iPhone 5S on my commutes and often I don’t even need to take it out of 
> my pocket to use the touch screen. I have a transit widget that I check to 
> monitor bus departure times, and I use apps like BlindSquare and Google Maps 
> as well. And of course, I can listen to music or audiobooks while commuting, 
> too. If I couldn’t carry the phone in my pocket and had to carry it in a 
> backpack or briefcase, that would be quite a bit less convenient for me. How 
> do you folks feel about this—for those who’ve used the larger phones for a 
> year now, do you eventually adjust to the larger screen size?
> 
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Improved speaker on iPhone 6s

[Mary Otten]

Hi all,
I just got my new 6S today, and it seems to me that the quality of the speaker 
is a bit better. Bye better, I guess I should say, there seems to be more base. 
I assume this is because of the larger size of the phone. I noticed the same 
thing on my friends six as  compared to my 5S.
Mary

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Re: speaker on iPhone

[Gigi]

Hi guys.
Yes, I did tell Apple Care people, both of them, that I was using VoiceOver. 
It's real weird that you say that about this being a VoiceOver feature because 
my sighted husband, at least before he updated to IOS 5 was annoyed sometimes 
when the phone went to speaker phone when he didn't want it to. 

The only problem I have with Apple Care people not knowing about this is that, 
even if it's a transfer issue, they should get some people who can answer 
VoiceOver questions. The other thing was, when I asked the second person if 
this was in fact VoiceOver thing, he didn't know. I only called because I wa 
hoping there was a simple thing I could do in the meantime to restore this 
feature back. 

Some time today, before I go to the Apple store on Wednesday, I'm going to see 
if I can find this information in the manual, to see if they took it out or 
not. I'm going to the store since I am going to North Park Mall anyway for 
something else. So I'll go and ask while I'm at it. They know me over there, 
and several of them because of me, have had to learn some VoiceOver.

Regards,
Gigi


Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 19, 2011, at 9:16 PM, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,
 
 This might be a silly question but, did you explain to them that you are a 
 voiceover user?  Because the feature your talking about is only active with 
 voiceover on.  If they are not voiceover users, and don't know that you are, 
 I doubt the person trying to help you would know this.  In my opinion, its 
 pretty obscure.  I saw someone attack Apple customer service for this in a 
 previous portion of this thread but, I couldn't kill them for something like 
 this.
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rwalker...@gmail.com
 Twitter  Skype: rwalker296
 www.mobileaccess.org
 
 On Dec 19, 2011, at 8:26 PM, Gigi wrote:
 
 Hi JeffThat's what I have been doing for almost a year now and since I can't 
 find it in the new manual any more I was wondering if it was taken away. 
 Apple Care kept insisting that taking the phone away from the like that was 
 not the normal operation.  
 Gigi
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Dec 19, 2011, at 7:01 PM, Jeff Berwick mailingli...@berwick.name wrote:
 
 I believe the correct way to make the phone go into speaker phone is to 
 take the phone away from your ear and hold it as if it was sitting on a 
 table.  I.e. flat.  It then thinks it is resting on a table and will go 
 into speaker phone mode.
 
 Hth,
 Jeff
 
 On 2011-12-19, at 6:55 PM, Gigi wrote:
 
 Hi guys.
 I have a question, and it is driving me crazy. I just called Apple Care 
 about this, and basically, I don't think they believed me. 
 
 I use the feature I'm describing all the time. Until two days ago, it was 
 working just fine. If you're on a call and you want to go to speaker 
 phone, the manual used to say (it did when I got my iPhone back in 
 January) to take the phone away from your face and it would become a 
 speaker phone. As I said, it worked like a charm until two days ago.
 
 Now, all of a sudden, for no reason I can figure out, I have to go to hide 
 keypadnd then Speaker, a pain with VoiceOver when someone is talking and 
 you need to switch them over to speaker phone. Also, VoiceOver is quietly 
 talking into the earpiece, and I'm finding it hard to hear the choices so 
 I can get the thing turned on.
 
 I could not find this feature in the iPhone manual any more. Is this 
 something they changed because of Siri? If so, it would have been really 
 nice if Apple Care people had just said so from the start.
 
 Regards,
 Gigi
 nd speaker. This is a real pain with 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
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Re: speaker on iPhone

[Gigi]

Hi Pete.
Thanks for your suggestions, and I will try them. I did try the rebooting 
already, but I hadn't done the others. 

Regards, 
Gigi


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On Dec 19, 2011, at 8:23 PM, peter apgar pap...@gmavt.net wrote:

 this feature is still available.  three  things to try: 
 1 with the phone away from your face turn the volume up.  often the speaker 
 phone volume gets turned down.
 2 wave a finger over the slot for the ear peace.  occasionally something 
 blocks the sensor.
 3 reboot the phone.  could be some sort of malfunction with code some where 
 in the os.  
 
 Good luck.
 
 Pete
 On Dec 19, 2011, at 9:06 PM, Jessica wrote:
 
 Is this just supposed to automatically supposed to do this by default any 
 time you take the phone away from you ear?  If that's the case, how do you 
 turn it off if you either realize you didn't want it on, or you did, and 
 you're done with it?
 Sorry to vere this subject off topic, just was curious, seeing as how I plan 
 to get the 4s soon, and could use some tips.
 - Original Message - From: Gigi gigifi...@sbcglobal.net
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Cc: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 3:55 PM
 Subject: speaker on iPhone
 
 
 Hi guys.
 I have a question, and it is driving me crazy. I just called Apple Care 
 about this, and basically, I don't think they believed me.
 
 I use the feature I'm describing all the time. Until two days ago, it was 
 working just fine. If you're on a call and you want to go to speaker phone, 
 the manual used to say (it did when I got my iPhone back in January) to take 
 the phone away from your face and it would become a speaker phone. As I 
 said, it worked like a charm until two days ago.
 
 Now, all of a sudden, for no reason I can figure out, I have to go to hide 
 keypadnd then Speaker, a pain with VoiceOver when someone is talking and you 
 need to switch them over to speaker phone. Also, VoiceOver is quietly 
 talking into the earpiece, and I'm finding it hard to hear the choices so I

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Re: speaker on iPhone

[Gigi]

Hi Jessica.
If you don't want it, you just put the phone back up to your ear. It's to stop 
immediately. If you want it, it's supposed to come on when you take the phone 
away from your face. 

As far as I know, this subject is not off topic. We have been discussing IOS 5 
devices now for quite a while. If Cara didn't want us to talk about it, I guess 
she would have said by now. I am glad we are doing it, too, because I cant join 
another list.

Regards,
Gigi


Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 19, 2011, at 8:06 PM, Jessica stevies...@gmail.com wrote:

 Is this just supposed to automaticly supposed to do this by default any time 
 you take the phone away from you ear?  If that's the case, how do you turn it 
 off if you either realize you didn't want it on, or you did, and you're done 
 with it?
 Sorry to vere this subject off topic, just was curious, seeing as how I plan 
 to get the 4s soon, and could use some tips.
 - Original Message - From: Gigi gigifi...@sbcglobal.net
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Cc: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 3:55 PM
 Subject: speaker on iPhone
 
 
 Hi guys.
 I have a question, and it is driving me crazy. I just called Apple Care about 
 this, and basically, I don't think they believed me.
 
 I use the feature I'm describing all the time. Until two days ago, it was 
 working just fine. If you're on a call and you want to go to speaker phone, 
 the manual used to say (it did when I got my iPhone back in January) to take 
 the phone away from your face and it would become a speaker phone. As I said, 
 it worked like a charm until two days ago.
 
 Now, all of a sudden, for no reason I can figure out, I have to go to hide 
 keypadnd then Speaker, a pain with VoiceOver when someone is talking and you 
 need to switch them over to speaker phone. Also, VoiceOver is quietly talking 
 into the earpiece, and I'm finding it hard to hear the choices so I can get 
 the thing turned on.
 
 I could not find this feature in the iPhone manual any more. Is this 
 something they changed because of Siri? If so, it would have been really nice 
 if Apple Care people had just said so from the start.
 
 Regards,
 Gigi
 nd speaker. This is a real pain with
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 

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Re: speaker on iPhone

[Scott Howell]

WOw! I honestly don't get it either. I have had very good luck with Apple Care 
and pretty good luck with the folks in the store. Personally you can call it 
what you will, but I'm thrilled with 98% of the features, experience, and so 
forth with the APple products I own. I of course understand that all is not 
perfect, but let me make some observations here that are based on experience.
1. SOme of the problems people encounter are of their own making. In other 
words they simply have not learned how to use a feature or do not understand 
some aspect of the product. Hey not a negative statement, but instead just 
fact. SOmetimes this is just a result of not having read any information and 
only basing assumptions on what they have read on an e-mail list, which are not 
the only source of information.
2. Third-party apps can cause problems and may impact operations of the device. 
In fact several applications that are installed can mess things up. WHy? Hell 
who knows, but it simply is possible. I have seen this with folks who could not 
get the screen curtain to activate when VO was turned on, poor battery life, 
and so forth. Hey, Apple does the best it can to ensure apps do not cause 
problems, but reality is that you can have the perfect storm on your device.
3. User error. Yes people do make mistakes and that is apparent by some of the 
questions I have seen posted here and on the VI Phone list. Hey it is ok to be 
wrong and ok to make mistakes. However, it helps to have read the manual and 
understand how features work and what could affect the operation of a feature. 
I realize thread is more about the speakerphone; however, this applies across 
the board. 

Now as far as the speakerphone I may be recalling incorrectly, but it seems to 
me that you can toggle the speakerphone such that removing it from your face 
will keep the call on the earpiece and not the speakerphone. Of course I'd also 
ask the question if the phone is in a case and perhaps the proximity sensor is 
being blocked. Lots of possibilities. Oh and one final note, the APple Care 
folks are not actually APple employees unless something has changed recently. 
THey actually work for a vendor that provides support services. I only found 
that out because I had a chat with one of the support folks and he said 
something he probably should not have said and I got him to tell me. :)

On Dec 19, 2011, at 8:22 PM, James Mannion wrote:

 I have never heard of or experienced this change. Taking it away from
 my ear has been the way to put it in speaker mode, even after SIRI
 arrived. Apple care doesn't even know how speaker phone works?
 Sometimes I really truely just don't get it. Their in store people
 know nothing half the time, their apple care doesn't even know basic
 stuff and more often than not they really don't know how to resolve
 your problem or even as much as you did when you called. They release
 things full of bugs in major functionality all the time and everyone
 worships their every move. I really truely love and appreciate the
 accessibility they provide, but I really just don't get this other
 stuff.
 
 On 12/19/11, Jeff Berwick mailingli...@berwick.name wrote:
 I believe the correct way to make the phone go into speaker phone is to take
 the phone away from your ear and hold it as if it was sitting on a table.
 I.e. flat.  It then thinks it is resting on a table and will go into speaker
 phone mode.
 
 Hth,
 Jeff
 
 On 2011-12-19, at 6:55 PM, Gigi wrote:
 
 Hi guys.
 I have a question, and it is driving me crazy. I just called Apple Care
 about this, and basically, I don't think they believed me.
 
 I use the feature I'm describing all the time. Until two days ago, it was
 working just fine. If you're on a call and you want to go to speaker
 phone, the manual used to say (it did when I got my iPhone back in
 January) to take the phone away from your face and it would become a
 speaker phone. As I said, it worked like a charm until two days ago.
 
 Now, all of a sudden, for no reason I can figure out, I have to go to hide
 keypadnd then Speaker, a pain with VoiceOver when someone is talking and
 you need to switch them over to speaker phone. Also, VoiceOver is quietly
 talking into the earpiece, and I'm finding it hard to hear the choices so
 I can get the thing turned on.
 
 I could not find this feature in the iPhone manual any more. Is this
 something they changed because of Siri? If so, it would have been really
 nice if Apple Care people had just said so from the start.
 
 Regards,
 Gigi
 nd speaker. This is a real pain with
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Dec 19, 2011, at 4:55 PM, ezzie bueno ezziebu...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello Esther and others,
 
 My thumb drive is not in use when I try to eject it.  COMMAND E is not
 working.  What else can be going on?
 
 Ezzie
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Esther mori...@mac.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Date sent: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 12:00:09 -1000
 Subject: 

Re: speaker on iPhone

[Gigi]

Ok, after this, I guess I'm done with this subject here. My husband and I just 
discovered something which some of us need to know about. Apparently, the phone 
needs light to do this because I guess it's using the camera next to your face 
to know it's up there. After Kevin's suggestion, we cleaned the ear thing and 
also the camera lens. Then we did a test with screen curtain on. Guess what, if 
the light is low (which of course yours truly would never know about), then it 
doesn't work. My husband, after we turned screen curtain on, went into a dark 
place. It didn't work in the dark place, but did in the light. So, I guess you 
can, if you don't want it to work, just turn screen curtain on. If you do want 
it to work, turn it off so it can get some light from the screen.

Regards,
Gigi


Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 20, 2011, at 4:28 AM, Scott Howell scottn3...@gmail.com wrote:

 WOw! I honestly don't get it either. I have had very good luck with Apple 
 Care and pretty good luck with the folks in the store. Personally you can 
 call it what you will, but I'm thrilled with 98% of the features, experience, 
 and so forth with the APple products I own. I of course understand that all 
 is not perfect, but let me make some observations here that are based on 
 experience.
 1. SOme of the problems people encounter are of their own making. In other 
 words they simply have not learned how to use a feature or do not understand 
 some aspect of the product. Hey not a negative statement, but instead just 
 fact. SOmetimes this is just a result of not having read any information and 
 only basing assumptions on what they have read on an e-mail list, which are 
 not the only source of information.
 2. Third-party apps can cause problems and may impact operations of the 
 device. In fact several applications that are installed can mess things up. 
 WHy? Hell who knows, but it simply is possible. I have seen this with folks 
 who could not get the screen curtain to activate when VO was turned on, poor 
 battery life, and so forth. Hey, Apple does the best it can to ensure apps do 
 not cause problems, but reality is that you can have the perfect storm on 
 your device.
 3. User error. Yes people do make mistakes and that is apparent by some of 
 the questions I have seen posted here and on the VI Phone list. Hey it is ok 
 to be wrong and ok to make mistakes. However, it helps to have read the 
 manual and understand how features work and what could affect the operation 
 of a feature. I realize thread is more about the speakerphone; however, this 
 applies across the board. 
 
 Now as far as the speakerphone I may be recalling incorrectly, but it seems 
 to me that you can toggle the speakerphone such that removing it from your 
 face will keep the call on the earpiece and not the speakerphone. Of course 
 I'd also ask the question if the phone is in a case and perhaps the proximity 
 sensor is being blocked. Lots of possibilities. Oh and one final note, the 
 APple Care folks are not actually APple employees unless something has 
 changed recently. THey actually work for a vendor that provides support 
 services. I only found that out because I had a chat with one of the support 
 folks and he said something he probably should not have said and I got him to 
 tell me. :)
 
 On Dec 19, 2011, at 8:22 PM, James Mannion wrote:
 
 I have never heard of or experienced this change. Taking it away from

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Re: speaker on iPhone

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

this is weird.  The proximity sensor has nothing to do with light.  You can be 
in a pitch black room, take the phone from your face, and it should switch to 
speaker phone if you are using voiceover.

Ricardo Walker
rwalker...@gmail.com
Twitter  Skype: rwalker296
www.mobileaccess.org

On Dec 20, 2011, at 5:48 AM, Gigi wrote:

 Ok, after this, I guess I'm done with this subject here. My husband and I 
 just discovered something which some of us need to know about. Apparently, 
 the phone needs light to do this because I guess it's using the camera next 
 to your face to know it's up there. After Kevin's suggestion, we cleaned the 
 ear thing and also the camera lens. Then we did a test with screen curtain 
 on. Guess what, if the light is low (which of course yours truly would never 
 know about), then it doesn't work. My husband, after we turned screen curtain 
 on, went into a dark place. It didn't work in the dark place, but did in the 
 light. So, I guess you can, if you don't want it to work, just turn screen 
 curtain on. If you do want it to work, turn it off so it can get some light 
 from the screen.
 
 Regards,
 Gigi
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Dec 20, 2011, at 4:28 AM, Scott Howell scottn3...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 WOw! I honestly don't get it either. I have had very good luck with Apple 
 Care and pretty good luck with the folks in the store. Personally you can 
 call it what you will, but I'm thrilled with 98% of the features, 
 experience, and so forth with the APple products I own. I of course 
 understand that all is not perfect, but let me make some observations here 
 that are based on experience.
 1. SOme of the problems people encounter are of their own making. In other 
 words they simply have not learned how to use a feature or do not understand 
 some aspect of the product. Hey not a negative statement, but instead just 
 fact. SOmetimes this is just a result of not having read any information and 
 only basing assumptions on what they have read on an e-mail list, which are 
 not the only source of information.
 2. Third-party apps can cause problems and may impact operations of the 
 device. In fact several applications that are installed can mess things up. 
 WHy? Hell who knows, but it simply is possible. I have seen this with folks 
 who could not get the screen curtain to activate when VO was turned on, poor 
 battery life, and so forth. Hey, Apple does the best it can to ensure apps 
 do not cause problems, but reality is that you can have the perfect storm on 
 your device.
 3. User error. Yes people do make mistakes and that is apparent by some of 
 the questions I have seen posted here and on the VI Phone list. Hey it is ok 
 to be wrong and ok to make mistakes. However, it helps to have read the 
 manual and understand how features work and what could affect the operation 
 of a feature. I realize thread is more about the speakerphone; however, this 
 applies across the board. 
 
 Now as far as the speakerphone I may be recalling incorrectly, but it seems 
 to me that you can toggle the speakerphone such that removing it from your 
 face will keep the call on the earpiece and not the speakerphone. Of course 
 I'd also ask the question if the phone is in a case and perhaps the 
 proximity sensor is being blocked. Lots of possibilities. Oh and one final 
 note, the APple Care folks are not actually APple employees unless something 
 has changed recently. THey actually work for a vendor that provides support 
 services. I only found that out because I had a chat with one of the support 
 folks and he said something he probably should not have said and I got him 
 to tell me. :)
 
 On Dec 19, 2011, at 8:22 PM, James Mannion wrote:
 
 I have never heard of or experienced this change. Taking it away from
 
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speaker on iPhone

[Gigi]

Hi guys.
I have a question, and it is driving me crazy. I just called Apple Care about 
this, and basically, I don't think they believed me. 

I use the feature I'm describing all the time. Until two days ago, it was 
working just fine. If you're on a call and you want to go to speaker phone, the 
manual used to say (it did when I got my iPhone back in January) to take the 
phone away from your face and it would become a speaker phone. As I said, it 
worked like a charm until two days ago.

Now, all of a sudden, for no reason I can figure out, I have to go to hide 
keypadnd then Speaker, a pain with VoiceOver when someone is talking and you 
need to switch them over to speaker phone. Also, VoiceOver is quietly talking 
into the earpiece, and I'm finding it hard to hear the choices so I can get the 
thing turned on.

I could not find this feature in the iPhone manual any more. Is this something 
they changed because of Siri? If so, it would have been really nice if Apple 
Care people had just said so from the start.

Regards,
Gigi
nd speaker. This is a real pain with 

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 19, 2011, at 4:55 PM, ezzie bueno ezziebu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello Esther and others,
 
 My thumb drive is not in use when I try to eject it.  COMMAND E is not 
 working.  What else can be going on?
 
 Ezzie
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Esther mori...@mac.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Date sent: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 12:00:09 -1000
 Subject: Ejecting a USB flash drive with a keyboard shortcut [was Re: 
 MBPKeyboard]
 
 Hi Ezzie and Others,
 
 The usual reason that a drive fails to eject is that it is still in use.  
 This could be either because a copy or write operation is still going on and 
 transferring data, or because you have navigated into the file structure of 
 the drive in Finder to query contents.  I do find that Command-E works to 
 eject drives provided they are not in use, but there's nothing wrong with 
 following either Ricardo's method with the context menu or Gigi's checks that 
 the device is not active.  I've retitled the subject line to better reflect 
 the content of the discussion.
 
 HTH.  Cheers,
 
 Esther
 
 On Dec 19, 2011, at 11:32, Ricardo Walker wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I guess I'm old fashion.  lol.  I prefer to bring up the context menu with VO 
 shift M and just press enter on eject.
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rwalker...@gmail.com
 Twitter  Skype: rwalker296
 www.mobileaccess.org
 
 On Dec 19, 2011, at 4:31 PM, Eugenia Firth wrote:
 
 Hi Y'all.
 Command E does not always work for me, especially on thumb drives.  I was 
 told by Apple that if you are writing to the drive and it gets ejected too 
 soon, you can mess up your thumb drive.  Therefore, these days I always check 
 to see if my drive is on my list of active devices before I take it out.
 
 Regards,
 Gigi
 
 On Dec 19, 2011, at 1:56 PM, Daniel Miller wrote:
 
 Hi Ezzie,
 
 Command+E should eject the drive.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of ezzie bueno
 Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 1:55 PM
 To: macvoiceo...@freelists.org; macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: MBP Keyboard
 
 Hello list:
 
 When I try and eject a USB flash drive, it will not eject.  I know I've got
 it selected.
 However, when I eject one on my sister's account, it ejects properly.  Is
 there a setting I may have modified on my account that I shouldn't have?
 
 Thanks,
 Ezzie Ez Bueno
 Sent from my BrailleNote Apex
 Skype: sillyez
 Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sillyez Google Talk: sill...@sillyez.com
 Google Plus: ezziebu...@gmail.com
 Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/sillyez
 
 
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Re: speaker on iPhone

[Jeff Berwick]

I believe the correct way to make the phone go into speaker phone is to take 
the phone away from your ear and hold it as if it was sitting on a table.  I.e. 
flat.  It then thinks it is resting on a table and will go into speaker phone 
mode.

Hth,
Jeff

On 2011-12-19, at 6:55 PM, Gigi wrote:

 Hi guys.
 I have a question, and it is driving me crazy. I just called Apple Care about 
 this, and basically, I don't think they believed me. 
 
 I use the feature I'm describing all the time. Until two days ago, it was 
 working just fine. If you're on a call and you want to go to speaker phone, 
 the manual used to say (it did when I got my iPhone back in January) to take 
 the phone away from your face and it would become a speaker phone. As I said, 
 it worked like a charm until two days ago.
 
 Now, all of a sudden, for no reason I can figure out, I have to go to hide 
 keypadnd then Speaker, a pain with VoiceOver when someone is talking and you 
 need to switch them over to speaker phone. Also, VoiceOver is quietly talking 
 into the earpiece, and I'm finding it hard to hear the choices so I can get 
 the thing turned on.
 
 I could not find this feature in the iPhone manual any more. Is this 
 something they changed because of Siri? If so, it would have been really nice 
 if Apple Care people had just said so from the start.
 
 Regards,
 Gigi
 nd speaker. This is a real pain with 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Dec 19, 2011, at 4:55 PM, ezzie bueno ezziebu...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello Esther and others,
 
 My thumb drive is not in use when I try to eject it.  COMMAND E is not 
 working.  What else can be going on?
 
 Ezzie
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Esther mori...@mac.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Date sent: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 12:00:09 -1000
 Subject: Ejecting a USB flash drive with a keyboard shortcut [was Re: 
 MBPKeyboard]
 
 Hi Ezzie and Others,
 
 The usual reason that a drive fails to eject is that it is still in use.  
 This could be either because a copy or write operation is still going on and 
 transferring data, or because you have navigated into the file structure of 
 the drive in Finder to query contents.  I do find that Command-E works to 
 eject drives provided they are not in use, but there's nothing wrong with 
 following either Ricardo's method with the context menu or Gigi's checks 
 that the device is not active.  I've retitled the subject line to better 
 reflect the content of the discussion.
 
 HTH.  Cheers,
 
 Esther
 
 On Dec 19, 2011, at 11:32, Ricardo Walker wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I guess I'm old fashion.  lol.  I prefer to bring up the context menu with 
 VO shift M and just press enter on eject.
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rwalker...@gmail.com
 Twitter  Skype: rwalker296
 www.mobileaccess.org
 
 On Dec 19, 2011, at 4:31 PM, Eugenia Firth wrote:
 
 Hi Y'all.
 Command E does not always work for me, especially on thumb drives.  I was 
 told by Apple that if you are writing to the drive and it gets ejected too 
 soon, you can mess up your thumb drive.  Therefore, these days I always 
 check to see if my drive is on my list of active devices before I take it 
 out.
 
 Regards,
 Gigi
 
 On Dec 19, 2011, at 1:56 PM, Daniel Miller wrote:
 
 Hi Ezzie,
 
 Command+E should eject the drive.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of ezzie bueno
 Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 1:55 PM
 To: macvoiceo...@freelists.org; macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: MBP Keyboard
 
 Hello list:
 
 When I try and eject a USB flash drive, it will not eject.  I know I've got
 it selected.
 However, when I eject one on my sister's account, it ejects properly.  Is
 there a setting I may have modified on my account that I shouldn't have?
 
 Thanks,
 Ezzie Ez Bueno
 Sent from my BrailleNote Apex
 Skype: sillyez
 Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sillyez Google Talk: sill...@sillyez.com
 Google Plus: ezziebu...@gmail.com
 Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/sillyez
 
 
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Re: speaker on iPhone

[James Mannion]

I have never heard of or experienced this change. Taking it away from
my ear has been the way to put it in speaker mode, even after SIRI
arrived. Apple care doesn't even know how speaker phone works?
Sometimes I really truely just don't get it. Their in store people
know nothing half the time, their apple care doesn't even know basic
stuff and more often than not they really don't know how to resolve
your problem or even as much as you did when you called. They release
things full of bugs in major functionality all the time and everyone
worships their every move. I really truely love and appreciate the
accessibility they provide, but I really just don't get this other
stuff.

On 12/19/11, Jeff Berwick mailingli...@berwick.name wrote:
 I believe the correct way to make the phone go into speaker phone is to take
 the phone away from your ear and hold it as if it was sitting on a table.
 I.e. flat.  It then thinks it is resting on a table and will go into speaker
 phone mode.

 Hth,
 Jeff

 On 2011-12-19, at 6:55 PM, Gigi wrote:

 Hi guys.
 I have a question, and it is driving me crazy. I just called Apple Care
 about this, and basically, I don't think they believed me.

 I use the feature I'm describing all the time. Until two days ago, it was
 working just fine. If you're on a call and you want to go to speaker
 phone, the manual used to say (it did when I got my iPhone back in
 January) to take the phone away from your face and it would become a
 speaker phone. As I said, it worked like a charm until two days ago.

 Now, all of a sudden, for no reason I can figure out, I have to go to hide
 keypadnd then Speaker, a pain with VoiceOver when someone is talking and
 you need to switch them over to speaker phone. Also, VoiceOver is quietly
 talking into the earpiece, and I'm finding it hard to hear the choices so
 I can get the thing turned on.

 I could not find this feature in the iPhone manual any more. Is this
 something they changed because of Siri? If so, it would have been really
 nice if Apple Care people had just said so from the start.

 Regards,
 Gigi
 nd speaker. This is a real pain with

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Dec 19, 2011, at 4:55 PM, ezzie bueno ezziebu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello Esther and others,

 My thumb drive is not in use when I try to eject it.  COMMAND E is not
 working.  What else can be going on?

 Ezzie


 - Original Message -
 From: Esther mori...@mac.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Date sent: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 12:00:09 -1000
 Subject: Ejecting a USB flash drive with a keyboard shortcut [was Re:
 MBPKeyboard]

 Hi Ezzie and Others,

 The usual reason that a drive fails to eject is that it is still in use.
 This could be either because a copy or write operation is still going on
 and transferring data, or because you have navigated into the file
 structure of the drive in Finder to query contents.  I do find that
 Command-E works to eject drives provided they are not in use, but there's
 nothing wrong with following either Ricardo's method with the context
 menu or Gigi's checks that the device is not active.  I've retitled the
 subject line to better reflect the content of the discussion.

 HTH.  Cheers,

 Esther

 On Dec 19, 2011, at 11:32, Ricardo Walker wrote:

 Hi,

 I guess I'm old fashion.  lol.  I prefer to bring up the context menu
 with VO shift M and just press enter on eject.

 Ricardo Walker
 rwalker...@gmail.com
 Twitter  Skype: rwalker296
 www.mobileaccess.org

 On Dec 19, 2011, at 4:31 PM, Eugenia Firth wrote:

 Hi Y'all.
 Command E does not always work for me, especially on thumb drives.  I was
 told by Apple that if you are writing to the drive and it gets ejected
 too soon, you can mess up your thumb drive.  Therefore, these days I
 always check to see if my drive is on my list of active devices before I
 take it out.

 Regards,
 Gigi

 On Dec 19, 2011, at 1:56 PM, Daniel Miller wrote:

 Hi Ezzie,

 Command+E should eject the drive.


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 To: macvoiceo...@freelists.org; macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: MBP Keyboard

 Hello list:

 When I try and eject a USB flash drive, it will not eject.  I know I've
 got
 it selected.
 However, when I eject one on my sister's account, it ejects properly.  Is
 there a setting I may have modified on my account that I shouldn't have?

 Thanks,
 Ezzie Ez Bueno
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Re: speaker on iPhone

[Gigi]

Hi JeffThat's what I have been doing for almost a year now and since I can't 
find it in the new manual any more I was wondering if it was taken away. Apple 
Care kept insisting that taking the phone away from the like that was not the 
normal operation.  
Gigi


Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 19, 2011, at 7:01 PM, Jeff Berwick mailingli...@berwick.name wrote:

 I believe the correct way to make the phone go into speaker phone is to take 
 the phone away from your ear and hold it as if it was sitting on a table.  
 I.e. flat.  It then thinks it is resting on a table and will go into speaker 
 phone mode.
 
 Hth,
 Jeff
 
 On 2011-12-19, at 6:55 PM, Gigi wrote:
 
 Hi guys.
 I have a question, and it is driving me crazy. I just called Apple Care 
 about this, and basically, I don't think they believed me. 
 
 I use the feature I'm describing all the time. Until two days ago, it was 
 working just fine. If you're on a call and you want to go to speaker phone, 
 the manual used to say (it did when I got my iPhone back in January) to take 
 the phone away from your face and it would become a speaker phone. As I 
 said, it worked like a charm until two days ago.
 
 Now, all of a sudden, for no reason I can figure out, I have to go to hide 
 keypadnd then Speaker, a pain with VoiceOver when someone is talking and you 
 need to switch them over to speaker phone. Also, VoiceOver is quietly 
 talking into the earpiece, and I'm finding it hard to hear the choices so I 
 can get the thing turned on.
 
 I could not find this feature in the iPhone manual any more. Is this 
 something they changed because of Siri? If so, it would have been really 
 nice if Apple Care people had just said so from the start.
 
 Regards,
 Gigi
 nd speaker. This is a real pain with 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Dec 19, 2011, at 4:55 PM, ezzie bueno ezziebu...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello Esther and others,
 

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Re: speaker on iPhone

[Jessica]

Is this just supposed to automaticly supposed to do this by default any time 
you take the phone away from you ear?  If that's the case, how do you turn 
it off if you either realize you didn't want it on, or you did, and you're 
done with it?
 Sorry to vere this subject off topic, just was curious, seeing as how I 
plan to get the 4s soon, and could use some tips.
- Original Message - 
From: Gigi gigifi...@sbcglobal.net

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Cc: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 3:55 PM
Subject: speaker on iPhone


Hi guys.
I have a question, and it is driving me crazy. I just called Apple Care 
about this, and basically, I don't think they believed me.


I use the feature I'm describing all the time. Until two days ago, it was 
working just fine. If you're on a call and you want to go to speaker phone, 
the manual used to say (it did when I got my iPhone back in January) to take 
the phone away from your face and it would become a speaker phone. As I 
said, it worked like a charm until two days ago.


Now, all of a sudden, for no reason I can figure out, I have to go to hide 
keypadnd then Speaker, a pain with VoiceOver when someone is talking and you 
need to switch them over to speaker phone. Also, VoiceOver is quietly 
talking into the earpiece, and I'm finding it hard to hear the choices so I 
can get the thing turned on.


I could not find this feature in the iPhone manual any more. Is this 
something they changed because of Siri? If so, it would have been really 
nice if Apple Care people had just said so from the start.


Regards,
Gigi
nd speaker. This is a real pain with

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 19, 2011, at 4:55 PM, ezzie bueno ezziebu...@gmail.com wrote:


Hello Esther and others,

My thumb drive is not in use when I try to eject it.  COMMAND E is not 
working.  What else can be going on?


Ezzie


- Original Message -
From: Esther mori...@mac.com
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Date sent: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 12:00:09 -1000
Subject: Ejecting a USB flash drive with a keyboard shortcut [was Re: 
MBPKeyboard]


Hi Ezzie and Others,

The usual reason that a drive fails to eject is that it is still in use. 
This could be either because a copy or write operation is still going on 
and transferring data, or because you have navigated into the file 
structure of the drive in Finder to query contents.  I do find that 
Command-E works to eject drives provided they are not in use, but there's 
nothing wrong with following either Ricardo's method with the context menu 
or Gigi's checks that the device is not active.  I've retitled the subject 
line to better reflect the content of the discussion.


HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

On Dec 19, 2011, at 11:32, Ricardo Walker wrote:

Hi,

I guess I'm old fashion.  lol.  I prefer to bring up the context menu with 
VO shift M and just press enter on eject.


Ricardo Walker
rwalker...@gmail.com
Twitter  Skype: rwalker296
www.mobileaccess.org

On Dec 19, 2011, at 4:31 PM, Eugenia Firth wrote:

Hi Y'all.
Command E does not always work for me, especially on thumb drives.  I was 
told by Apple that if you are writing to the drive and it gets ejected too 
soon, you can mess up your thumb drive.  Therefore, these days I always 
check to see if my drive is on my list of active devices before I take it 
out.


Regards,
Gigi

On Dec 19, 2011, at 1:56 PM, Daniel Miller wrote:

Hi Ezzie,

Command+E should eject the drive.


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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of ezzie bueno
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 1:55 PM
To: macvoiceo...@freelists.org; macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: MBP Keyboard

Hello list:

When I try and eject a USB flash drive, it will not eject.  I know I've 
got

it selected.
However, when I eject one on my sister's account, it ejects properly.  Is
there a setting I may have modified on my account that I shouldn't have?

Thanks,
Ezzie Ez Bueno
Sent from my BrailleNote Apex
Skype: sillyez
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sillyez Google Talk: sill...@sillyez.com
Google Plus: ezziebu...@gmail.com
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Re: speaker on iPhone

[Kevin Shaw]

Try rebooting your phone. Hold the Sleep/Wake button for 7 sec and then tap the 
Slide to Power Off button. Wait for a minute or so and then hold the 
sleep/wake button agian.

I've encountered a similar problem with my 4S and my old 3GS. It seems that the 
accelerometer needs to be whipped into position every once in a  while for 
speaker phone to take. Try moving it away from your face quickly. 

Kevin
On 2011-12-19, at 8:01 PM, Jeff Berwick wrote:

 I believe the correct way to make the phone go into speaker phone is to take 
 the phone away from your ear and hold it as if it was sitting on a table.  
 I.e. flat.  It then thinks it is resting on a table and will go into speaker 
 phone mode.
 
 Hth,
 Jeff
 
 On 2011-12-19, at 6:55 PM, Gigi wrote:
 
 Hi guys.
 I have a question, and it is driving me crazy. I just called Apple Care 
 about this, and basically, I don't think they believed me. 
 
 I use the feature I'm describing all the time. Until two days ago, it was 
 working just fine. If you're on a call and you want to go to speaker phone, 
 the manual used to say (it did when I got my iPhone back in January) to take 
 the phone away from your face and it would become a speaker phone. As I 
 said, it worked like a charm until two days ago.
 
 Now, all of a sudden, for no reason I can figure out, I have to go to hide 
 keypadnd then Speaker, a pain with VoiceOver when someone is talking and you 
 need to switch them over to speaker phone. Also, VoiceOver is quietly 
 talking into the earpiece, and I'm finding it hard to hear the choices so I 
 can get the thing turned on.
 
 I could not find this feature in the iPhone manual any more. Is this 
 something they changed because of Siri? If so, it would have been really 
 nice if Apple Care people had just said so from the start.
 
 Regards,
 Gigi
 nd speaker. This is a real pain with 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Dec 19, 2011, at 4:55 PM, ezzie bueno ezziebu...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello Esther and others,
 
 My thumb drive is not in use when I try to eject it.  COMMAND E is not 
 working.  What else can be going on?
 
 Ezzie
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Esther mori...@mac.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Date sent: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 12:00:09 -1000
 Subject: Ejecting a USB flash drive with a keyboard shortcut [was Re: 
 MBPKeyboard]
 
 Hi Ezzie and Others,
 
 The usual reason that a drive fails to eject is that it is still in use.  
 This could be either because a copy or write operation is still going on 
 and transferring data, or because you have navigated into the file 
 structure of the drive in Finder to query contents.  I do find that 
 Command-E works to eject drives provided they are not in use, but there's 
 nothing wrong with following either Ricardo's method with the context menu 
 or Gigi's checks that the device is not active.  I've retitled the subject 
 line to better reflect the content of the discussion.
 
 HTH.  Cheers,
 
 Esther
 
 On Dec 19, 2011, at 11:32, Ricardo Walker wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I guess I'm old fashion.  lol.  I prefer to bring up the context menu with 
 VO shift M and just press enter on eject.
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rwalker...@gmail.com
 Twitter  Skype: rwalker296
 www.mobileaccess.org
 
 On Dec 19, 2011, at 4:31 PM, Eugenia Firth wrote:
 
 Hi Y'all.
 Command E does not always work for me, especially on thumb drives.  I was 
 told by Apple that if you are writing to the drive and it gets ejected too 
 soon, you can mess up your thumb drive.  Therefore, these days I always 
 check to see if my drive is on my list of active devices before I take it 
 out.
 
 Regards,
 Gigi
 
 On Dec 19, 2011, at 1:56 PM, Daniel Miller wrote:
 
 Hi Ezzie,
 
 Command+E should eject the drive.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of ezzie bueno
 Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 1:55 PM
 To: macvoiceo...@freelists.org; macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: MBP Keyboard
 
 Hello list:
 
 When I try and eject a USB flash drive, it will not eject.  I know I've got
 it selected.
 However, when I eject one on my sister's account, it ejects properly.  Is
 there a setting I may have modified on my account that I shouldn't have?
 
 Thanks,
 Ezzie Ez Bueno
 Sent from my BrailleNote Apex
 Skype: sillyez
 Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sillyez Google Talk: sill...@sillyez.com
 Google Plus: ezziebu...@gmail.com
 Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/sillyez
 
 
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Re: speaker on iPhone

[peter apgar]

this feature is still available.  three  things to try: 
1 with the phone away from your face turn the volume up.  often the speaker 
phone volume gets turned down.
2 wave a finger over the slot for the ear peace.  occasionally something blocks 
the sensor.
3 reboot the phone.  could be some sort of malfunction with code some where in 
the os.  

Good luck.

Pete
On Dec 19, 2011, at 9:06 PM, Jessica wrote:

 Is this just supposed to automatically supposed to do this by default any 
 time you take the phone away from you ear?  If that's the case, how do you 
 turn it off if you either realize you didn't want it on, or you did, and 
 you're done with it?
 Sorry to vere this subject off topic, just was curious, seeing as how I plan 
 to get the 4s soon, and could use some tips.
 - Original Message - From: Gigi gigifi...@sbcglobal.net
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Cc: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 3:55 PM
 Subject: speaker on iPhone
 
 
 Hi guys.
 I have a question, and it is driving me crazy. I just called Apple Care about 
 this, and basically, I don't think they believed me.
 
 I use the feature I'm describing all the time. Until two days ago, it was 
 working just fine. If you're on a call and you want to go to speaker phone, 
 the manual used to say (it did when I got my iPhone back in January) to take 
 the phone away from your face and it would become a speaker phone. As I said, 
 it worked like a charm until two days ago.
 
 Now, all of a sudden, for no reason I can figure out, I have to go to hide 
 keypadnd then Speaker, a pain with VoiceOver when someone is talking and you 
 need to switch them over to speaker phone. Also, VoiceOver is quietly talking 
 into the earpiece, and I'm finding it hard to hear the choices so I can get 
 the thing turned on.
 
 I could not find this feature in the iPhone manual any more. Is this 
 something they changed because of Siri? If so, it would have been really nice 
 if Apple Care people had just said so from the start.
 
 Regards,
 Gigi
 nd speaker. This is a real pain with
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Dec 19, 2011, at 4:55 PM, ezzie bueno ezziebu...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello Esther and others,
 
 My thumb drive is not in use when I try to eject it.  COMMAND E is not 
 working.  What else can be going on?
 
 Ezzie
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Esther mori...@mac.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Date sent: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 12:00:09 -1000
 Subject: Ejecting a USB flash drive with a keyboard shortcut [was Re: 
 MBPKeyboard]
 
 Hi Ezzie and Others,
 
 The usual reason that a drive fails to eject is that it is still in use. 
 This could be either because a copy or write operation is still going on and 
 transferring data, or because you have navigated into the file structure of 
 the drive in Finder to query contents.  I do find that Command-E works to 
 eject drives provided they are not in use, but there's nothing wrong with 
 following either Ricardo's method with the context menu or Gigi's checks 
 that the device is not active.  I've retitled the subject line to better 
 reflect the content of the discussion.
 
 HTH.  Cheers,
 
 Esther
 
 On Dec 19, 2011, at 11:32, Ricardo Walker wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I guess I'm old fashion.  lol.  I prefer to bring up the context menu with 
 VO shift M and just press enter on eject.
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rwalker...@gmail.com
 Twitter  Skype: rwalker296
 www.mobileaccess.org
 
 On Dec 19, 2011, at 4:31 PM, Eugenia Firth wrote:
 
 Hi Y'all.
 Command E does not always work for me, especially on thumb drives.  I was 
 told by Apple that if you are writing to the drive and it gets ejected too 
 soon, you can mess up your thumb drive.  Therefore, these days I always 
 check to see if my drive is on my list of active devices before I take it 
 out.
 
 Regards,
 Gigi
 
 On Dec 19, 2011, at 1:56 PM, Daniel Miller wrote:
 
 Hi Ezzie,
 
 Command+E should eject the drive.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of ezzie bueno
 Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 1:55 PM
 To: macvoiceo...@freelists.org; macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: MBP Keyboard
 
 Hello list:
 
 When I try and eject a USB flash drive, it will not eject.  I know I've got
 it selected.
 However, when I eject one on my sister's account, it ejects properly.  Is
 there a setting I may have modified on my account that I shouldn't have?
 
 Thanks,
 Ezzie Ez Bueno
 Sent from my BrailleNote Apex
 Skype: sillyez
 Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sillyez Google Talk: sill...@sillyez.com
 Google Plus: ezziebu...@gmail.com
 Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/sillyez
 
 
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Re: speaker on iPhone

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

This might be a silly question but, did you explain to them that you are a 
voiceover user?  Because the feature your talking about is only active with 
voiceover on.  If they are not voiceover users, and don't know that you are, I 
doubt the person trying to help you would know this.  In my opinion, its pretty 
obscure.  I saw someone attack Apple customer service for this in a previous 
portion of this thread but, I couldn't kill them for something like this.

Ricardo Walker
rwalker...@gmail.com
Twitter  Skype: rwalker296
www.mobileaccess.org

On Dec 19, 2011, at 8:26 PM, Gigi wrote:

 Hi JeffThat's what I have been doing for almost a year now and since I can't 
 find it in the new manual any more I was wondering if it was taken away. 
 Apple Care kept insisting that taking the phone away from the like that was 
 not the normal operation.  
 Gigi
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Dec 19, 2011, at 7:01 PM, Jeff Berwick mailingli...@berwick.name wrote:
 
 I believe the correct way to make the phone go into speaker phone is to take 
 the phone away from your ear and hold it as if it was sitting on a table.  
 I.e. flat.  It then thinks it is resting on a table and will go into speaker 
 phone mode.
 
 Hth,
 Jeff
 
 On 2011-12-19, at 6:55 PM, Gigi wrote:
 
 Hi guys.
 I have a question, and it is driving me crazy. I just called Apple Care 
 about this, and basically, I don't think they believed me. 
 
 I use the feature I'm describing all the time. Until two days ago, it was 
 working just fine. If you're on a call and you want to go to speaker phone, 
 the manual used to say (it did when I got my iPhone back in January) to 
 take the phone away from your face and it would become a speaker phone. As 
 I said, it worked like a charm until two days ago.
 
 Now, all of a sudden, for no reason I can figure out, I have to go to hide 
 keypadnd then Speaker, a pain with VoiceOver when someone is talking and 
 you need to switch them over to speaker phone. Also, VoiceOver is quietly 
 talking into the earpiece, and I'm finding it hard to hear the choices so I 
 can get the thing turned on.
 
 I could not find this feature in the iPhone manual any more. Is this 
 something they changed because of Siri? If so, it would have been really 
 nice if Apple Care people had just said so from the start.
 
 Regards,
 Gigi
 nd speaker. This is a real pain with 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Dec 19, 2011, at 4:55 PM, ezzie bueno ezziebu...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello Esther and others,
 
 
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